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About five ‘vimuttaayatana’ in AN(5,26)

             

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AN(5,26) Vimuttaayatana Sutta explains five possible cases that a monk gain Samadhi which leads to “avimutta.m vaa citta.m vimuccati, aparikkhii.naa vaa aasavaa parikkhaya.m gacchanti, ananuppatta.m vaa anuttara.m yogakkhema.m”

   

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I guess the Samadhi mentioned here like 5th type of ariyo-pancangika- sammasamadhi in AN(5,28) Which seems to me an upacaara state which most probably after jhana or sometimes before jhana (for some cases as a person listening closely to Buddha or giving a talk?)which his hindrances disappeared, with powerful mindfulness for reflection.

     
     

Bhante, do you agree with me? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

       
                           
                           

14th-June-2012, 09:59 AM

                   

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This is how I would interpret AN5:26.

Firstly, there may be some significance to the vā, "or", in avimuttavā cittavimuccati, aparikkhīā vā āsavā parikkhayagacchanti, ananuppattavā anuttarayogakkhemaanupāpuāti. The vā only makes sense if these three are referring to different things. I would suggest cittavimuccati here refers to jhāna, the jhānas being

   

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understand as referring to some āsavās coming to an end, but not all. This would then refer to any of the first three stages of awakening. It is only anuttarayogakkhemaanupāpuāti that I would regard as the full attainment of arahantship. This structure fits with the usual gradual exposition of the Buddha'sd teachings.

   

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About five ‘vimuttaayatana’ in AN(5,26)

The main body of the sutta refers to four ways of reflecting on the Dhamma
The main body of the sutta refers to four ways of reflecting on the Dhamma
The main body of the sutta refers to four ways of reflecting on the Dhamma

The main body of the sutta refers to four ways of reflecting on the Dhamma (including listening to it and teaching it to others). Based on this reflection the person gains samādhi. The implication is that this samādhi then leads to the three benefits mentioned above. The question is, do these three benefits occur while he is reflecting (including listening to) the Dhamma? I think there are at least two ways of looking at this.

Firstly, someone may be a regular jhāna attainer. When he or she then listens to the Dhamma, or reflects on it, their mind is already pure. Because of this it is easy for them to gain "inspiration in the Dhamma" and they are able to obtain deep insights on the spot.

Alternatively, a person may not be a regular jhāna attainer, but nevertheless gains inspiration while listening to or relfecting on the Dhamma. They then retire to their kuti for solitude and use the inspiration to deepen their meditation to the point of jhāna and/or deep insight.

Is this the same as the 5th type of ariya-pañcagika-sammā-samādhi of AN5:28? I am not sure. I tend to think of this fifth type of samādhi as something that occurs after jhāna and that involves the contemplation of the jhānas themselves. The samādhi at AN5:26, by contrast, arises due to inspiration in the Dhamma.

With metta.

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