52-G not installed between GT-Generator and

Step-Up Transformer
Dear All.
I have found in a single line diagram for a gas turbine that there is not a
52-G installed between generator and step up transformer so that I
would like to know which standars applies for this kind of
IMPLEMENTATION , also I would like to know what could be the
consecuenses of not having a 52-G. installed

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Joseth Parra
Jaime my recomendation is that you will install one 52 G because this is the
last protection of the machine in a fail of the electric systems. Jaime it is my
recomendation
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Rithy-Newton Chhean, PE, MSEE

Do you have a cb directly at the HV terminals of the transformer? If you do
and the protection relays (27,32,50,51,87,etc) are implemented correctly, i
don't see a problem.
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Ofa Khoirun Ni'am

I agreed with rithy, some big generators also not installed 52G, so the last
protection put in front GSU (HV side), and equipped with 32P, 25. And the
differential protection will use overall type both Generator and GSU it self
(87G, 87T in one multifunction protection relay). In this case the auxiliary
power taken from SST, from external source. But i'm not sure that 51V could
be applied in this configuration. In other case if you apply unit auxiliary
transformer (UAT) tapped between Generator and GSU, i recommend apply
52G for this matter for the last protection of generator.
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Robby De Smedt
There is not always a generator circuit breaker between the GSU and the
generator. In this case there is only a circuit breaker installed on the HV side
of the GSU. The disadvantage of the lack of a 52 G:
* When a fault is located between the HV circuit breaker and the generator
the generator will feed the fault for some time due the inertia of the
generator.
* When there is no generator circuit breaker (GCB) the transformer has to
handle the increase in flux during load rejection because there is no
possibility to open the generator circuit breaker during the event.
3)When a GCB is installed,the GSU and AUX transformer can be energized to
deliver power to the plant. This means that there is an alternative for the
station transformer.

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Ir. Agung Firmansyah

It is normally done to avoid the use of "special generator cb" which is more
expensive
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Thiru Cethar
I Agree with Robby De Smedt.Well expained
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Shailesh Kumar Chetty

Kindly note that GCB is always misunderstood that it is for generator
protection, but technically this is for transformer protection !!!!
On a longer run the extent of damage is less if we have a GCB.

However one has to note that there is no such specific standard which
governs that we need a GCB!!!
Shailesh Kumar
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Manish Das
This type of arrangement is called a Unit-connected Generator. It is a fairly
common connection type for large bulk power producers in the utilities, and
it is well recognized by C37.101 and 102.
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Shailesh Kumar Chetty

Informative link
http://www02.abb.com/global/clabb/clabb151.nsf/0/f2c9b03479a19888c1257
2d40059d40b/$file/Marta+lacorte.pdf
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Alan Maltz
Jaimie, As an add-on to to Manish's comments, the reason the GSU is directly
connected to the generator on larger machines is because a fault anywhere
from the generator terminals to the GSU terminals exceeds the practical limit
to the interrupting capability of a circuit breaker. Placing the breaker on the
high-side also reduces the continuous current rating to a much lower level,
it's also more efficient because the IsqrR losses across the contacts is
reduced as well.
Alan
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SEKHAR BHATTACHARYA
There are many plants where there is no 52G,and in this case you need a
separate ststion transformer to start the plant and run ,it,its a matter
compromise between redundancy/cost this 52G will save an additional
station transformer alsong with switchgears IPBD MV swgr and cablings
additionally..
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Pedro Margareto
Have you check if the 52G breaker is not installed over than
transformer...Generator-Elevator Transformer-52G Breaker- Busbar - 52D
breaker.
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Ofa Khoirun Ni'am

Just make correction that GCB is not only effective protection device for the
generator transformer (including unit auxiliary transformer), but as well as
for the generator it self.
Protection of the transformer against generator source faults and protection
of the generator against system source faults.
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KRISHNA KHASANIS, MIET, PMP

It is all case dependent. You will find many power plants without GCB, yet
operating successfully.
If GCB with adequate rupturing capacity is available & capital cost is viable,
it is better to have GCB because it helps in generator starting up & shutting
down and reliable generator synchronization.
Another advantage is it offers improved Generator, GSU Transformer & UAT
protection.
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