Interview with Dr Deepak Chopra

An interview with Dr. Deepak Chopra about the key role of

spiritual awareness
in the healing process

Dr Deepak Chopra is an India-born, US-trained medical doctor. An endocrinologist by

specialty, he is a former chief of staff of New England Memorial Hospital. But Chopra,
a long-time Transcendental Meditator, is also a practitioner of the ancient Indian
system of healing, Ayurveda, and is currently the Chief of Staff of the Maharishi
Ayurveda Health Center in Lancaster, Massachusetts.
In his 'spare' time, Chopra is a best-selling author - five well-received books written
in the past five years. His latest, Unconditional Life, has stimulated great public
interest. He is also a much sought-after lecturer. In the last year, Dr Chopra has been
invited to speak at several prestigious medical establishments, including Harvard
Medical School in the US, to say nothing of the myriad New Age fairs at which he is a
featured guest. In his books and lectures, Chopra draws on not only the latest
findings of Western medical science, and the ancient truths of Ayurveda, but also the
esoteric area of quantum physics to explore the increasingly acceptable field of BodyMind-Spirit Medicine.
SI: A basic theme of your books and public talks is that spiritual awareness - a
person coming into the knowledge of who they are - is one of the keys to the healing
process. Could you discuss that a bit?
Dr Deepak Chopra: Spiritual awareness is not only one of the keys to the healing
process. Spiritual awareness is the only way that healing can occur. If I may take the
risk of defining what a spiritual experience is, it is one in which pure awareness
reveals itself to you as the maker of reality - where you suddenly discover through
insight or meditation or a freak accident that your essential nature is spiritual, nonmaterial.
SI: Are there ways to help foster this spiritual awareness?
DC: By teaching a person the ability to have a quiet mind, to stand back and witness
the whole thought process. With that ability comes a major insight: I am the thinker
and not the thought. That insight, at a deep level of awareness, is enough to cause a
change in one's consciousness, and a spontaneous change in one's biology.
SI: When a patient comes to you from a traditional medical perspective, identifying
themselves with the body, or the emotions, or the mind, which most of us do, how do
you help them go beyond that?
DC: It's possible these days to talk in medical terminology and convince people that
the shelf life of molecules is very short. Ninety-eight percent of all the atoms in my
body are gone by next year. The physical body that I'm using to speak with you right
now is not the one I had last year. If I identify myself as my body, then I certainly
have a dilemma. Which one am I talking about? The shelf life of emotions is a little

longer. But if I identify myself with my emotions, again I have a dilemma. Which one
am I talking about? The shelf life of my psychological make-up is even longer. But
that is changing all the time, hopefully in an evolutionary direction. But I'm none of
those things because it is obvious that I am outliving those things. That I am not my
experiences is very obvious. I am the one who is having those experiences.
Spirituality has nothing to do with experience. It is to discover the timeless factor in
every experience, which is 'the experiencer'. My attention is usually on a particular
experience, but how about the one who is having those experiences, the silent
witness who is going through all this? There is a poem from T.S. Eliot, "We shall not
cease from exploration. The end of our exploring will be to arrive where we started
from and know the place for the first time."
SI: You talk as someone who has experienced this.
DC: I hope so. We go through these dilemmas where we wonder: am I just
intellectually enamoured of the whole concept? Because, if I am, then obviously I am
deluding myself. Or am I experientially grounded in it? I think all of us to some extent
have had the experience of that silent witness. When we were children, there was a
silent part of us watching the child. When we were adolescents, there was that same
witness watching the adolescent. Middle age, and so on. Every one, now and again,
has discovered the self, the one who is watching. There are periods in life when it is
very intense. There are periods in life where it is not, when you get caught up in the
whole field of relativity and lose your moorings with the absolute.
SI: Was there one particular experience that helped you realize this awareness of the
self, or is it there sometimes, and sometimes not?
DC: It's always there. But sometimes it is not so dominant in the awareness. Basically
it has to do with the quality of your attention.
SI: It reminds me of something you said in one of your books. You mention
Krishnamurti talking about the process of self-observation.
DC: Krishnamurti's term, "self-observation", is good. I'd like to refer to it as
awareness. Observation still implies (although I don't think Krishnamurti meant it that
way) a kind of observing from a sensory level, whereas awareness is non-sensory, an
awareness of the self.
SI: Have you had success in presenting this information to traditional medical
audiences?
DC: I'm finding myself very comfortable talking to medical audiences, and proving to
them that underlying the material fields of the universe are force fields. But they are
not just force fields. They are not just gravity, strong and weak interactions, or
electromagnetism. Every force field is simultaneously a field of information because
even physics now acknowledges that an atom is not only a hierarchy of different
states of energy, or different states of force fields. An atom is a hierarchy of different
states of information that define the statistical likelihood of finding a particle here or

there at the time of observation. Einstein said that a field is not really an actual
model for space-time events, but the "continuum of probability distributions of
possible measurements as a function of time."
In other words, the field (which is what spirit is, a field of pure potentiality) is a
continuum of all possible energy and information states that will subsequently
manifest themselves as space-time events. Matter is a space-time event. You and I in
physical bodies are space-time events. We confuse ourselves with these space-time
events, when in fact we are the ones who generate these space-time events.
Somewhere inside us we know that we outlive these expressions of space-time
experience. To be grounded experientially in the knowledge of immortality is to lose
fear once and for all, to understand that the flow of linear time is a psychological
event, that we do not exist in time, but that eternity exists in us. This awareness
gives us freedom from both the memories of the past and anticipation of the future.
We experience ourselves as the field, the eternal possibility, the immeasurable
potential of all that was, is, and will be.
There is a nice poem from Rumi, "Out beyond ideas of right doing and wrong doing
there is a field. I'll meet you there." To know oneself as the field has become a
spiritual quest, but also a scientific quest these days. All our technology today whether we use fax machines or computers or speak on phones or watch programs
on television - is based on the premise that the essential nature of the material world
is non-material. All of these technologies are based on the overthrow of the
superstition of materialism in the world of technology.
The next step is to realize that these so-called fields of force, or information, are
actually fields of intelligence and knowledge. Because when information is selfreferring, in that it has a feedback loop that influences its own expression, then you
cannot just call it pure information. Everybody understands information in today's
information age. But the next step in the evolution of this knowledge is to understand
that it is not just information, it is intelligence, it is knowledge, it is consciousness.
The force fields of nature are force fields of consciousness. They are force fields of
knowledge. They are fields of Brahman.
SI: Any final comments?
DC: There is a Vedic saying, "All your life you've paid attention to your experiences,
but never to yourself." Pay attention to your self outside the realm of your
experiences and you'll discover that there is a light there, there is a love there. Love
of one, love of all, merge into love, pure and simple. It radiates from you like light
from the sun. This love is not sentiment, but the truth at the heart of all creation. It
can solve not only our own problems, but the problems of humanity.