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REPORTER'S RECORD
CASE NO. 14-14-00532-CR
TRIAL CAUSE NO. 12-03-12580-CR
VOLUME 7 OF 12 VOLUMES

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) MONTGOMERY COUNTY, TEXAS
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THE STATE OF TEXAS

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ADRIAN DAVID HEATH

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JURY TRIAL
OCTOBER 30, 2013

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On October 30th, 2013, the following proceedings

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came on to be heard in the above-entitled and numbered cause

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before the Honorable John Stevens, Judge Presiding, 359th

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District Court, held in Conroe, Montgomery County, Texas.

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Proceedings reported by machine shorthand and


computer-aided transcription.

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APPEARANCES
October 30, 2013
FOR THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL:
Mr. David Glickler
Assistant Attorney General
ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS
P.O. Box 12548
Austin, Texas 78711-2548
Tel: (512) 463-3088
Fax: (512) 370-9728
david.glickler@texasattorneygeneral.gov
SBN: 00787549

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Mr. Jonathan White


Assistant Attorney General
ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS
P.O. Box 12548
Austin, Texas 78711-2548
Tel: (512) 463-3088
Fax: (512) 370-9728
jonathan.white@texasattorneygeneral.gov
SBN: 24054475

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FOR THE DEFENDANT:

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Mr. Jay M. Wright


ATTORNEY AT LAW
204 W. Davis Street
Conroe, Texas 77301
Tel: (936) 494-2462
SBN: 22041800

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CHRONOLOGICAL INDEX
October 30, 2013

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By the Court..............................................
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FOR THE STATE:
ALLISON, BENJAMIN
Direct by Mr. Glickler.........................
Cross by Mr. Wright............................
Redirect by Mr. Glickler.......................
Recross by Mr. Wright..........................
Further Redirect by Mr. Glickler...............

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State rests...............................................
Opening by Mr. Wright.....................................

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HEATH, KANDY
Direct by Mr. Wright........................... 94
Cross by Mr. White............................. 101
GRANT, PHIL
Direct by Mr. Wright...........................
Cross by Mr. White.............................
Redirect by Mr. Wright.........................
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DILLARD, RANDALL
Direct by Mr. Wright........................... 128
KULHAVY, JOE
Direct by Mr. Wright...........................
Voir Dire by Mr. White.........................
Direct by Mr. Wright (Cont'd)..................
Cross by Mr. White.............................
Redirect by Mr. Wright.........................
Recross by Mr. White...........................
Further Redirect by Mr. Wright.................
Further Recross by Mr. White...................

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GAULTNEY, CAROL
Direct by Mr. Wright...........................
Cross by Mr. White.............................
Redirect by Mr. Wright.........................
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Reporter's certificate.................................... 254

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ALPHABETICAL INDEX
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ALLISON, BENJAMIN
Direct by Mr. Glickler.........................
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Redirect by Mr. Glickler.......................
Recross by Mr. Wright..........................
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DOYLE, JIM
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HEATH, KANDY
Direct by Mr. Wright........................... 94
Cross by Mr. White............................. 101
KULHAVY, JOE
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Direct by Mr. Wright (Cont'd)..................
Cross by Mr. White.............................
Redirect by Mr. Wright.........................
Recross by Mr. White...........................
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INDEX TO EXHIBITS
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Secretary of State's Opinion..................


Letter from Attorney General..................
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E-mail from Phil Grant to Carol Gaultney.....
Article by Mr. Dillard.......................
Letter to Defendants from Phil Grant.........
E-mail from Joe Kulhavy to Adrian Heath......
E-mail from Adrian Heath to Joe Kulhavy......
E-mail from Adrian Heath to Joe Kulhavy......
E-mail from Adrian Heath to Joe Kulhavy......
E-mail from Mr. Heath to Jim Jenkins, 4/1/10.
Challenge Medallions from DA's Office........
Audio Tape of Joe Kulhavy....................

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P R O C E E D I N G S

THE COURT:

Call 12-03-2580, the State of Texas

versus Adrian Heath, who is present with his attorney and the

State's attorney.

Are we ready to proceed this morning, gentleman?

MR. WHITE:

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

Ready.
Now, we're ready.
It's hard keeping an eye behind you

and forward, isn't it?

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All right.

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(At this time the jury comes into the

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Please bring the jury in.

courtroom.)

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THE COURT:

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MR. GLICKLER:

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Who's your next witness?


Benjamin Allison.

And he's

present in the courtroom, Your Honor.

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THE COURT:

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And the record will show that the jury is seated

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in the courtroom and you can call your next witness.

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Please be seated.

MR. GLICKLER:

The State would call Benjamin

Allison.

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THE COURT:

Mr. Allison, come forward, please.

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(Witness is sworn.)

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THE COURT:

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MR. GLICKLER:

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THE COURT:

Please have a seat, sir.

Thank you.

May I proceed, Your Honor.

Your witness.

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BENJAMIN ALLISON,
having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:

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DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. GLICKLER:

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Please introduce yourself to the ladies and gentlemen

of the jury?

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My name is Benjamin Allison.

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And, Ben, where do you live?

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14993 Boyd.

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Okay.

Now, Ben, we've done this once before and I

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told you this before.

This woman over here has to take your

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testimony down and you have a habit of letting your sentences

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trail off quietly.

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your sentences so we can all hear what you have to say.

So can you please speak through the end of

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Sure.

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Thank you.

And there's a microphone somewhere there.

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What do you do for a living, Ben?

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MR. WRIGHT:

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Your Honor, may we approach the

bench?

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THE COURT:

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(Bench conference outside the presence of the

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Yes.

jury.)

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MR. WRIGHT:

The attorney general just informed

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the jury that there's been a prior trial of this case, criminal

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case --

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MR. WRIGHT:

No.
-- and so I'm moving for a

mistrial.

I think he's now -- that leaves an inference that

somebody has been previously found guilty of these allegations

involving the same parties, and I think it's now telegraphed to

the jury that there's been a potential guilty verdict on a

prior.

plan scheme and I would ask for a mistrial because I think it's

left an impression.

Because we have talked about these other members of the

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THE COURT:

His question was:

Ben, we have done

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this once before and I told you this before, this woman over

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here has to take your testimony.

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there's a trial.

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He said we've done this once before.

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really means.

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and he didn't particularize it.

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the record, that's denied.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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I mean, it didn't say that

The jury would be jumping to a conclusion.


Who knows what that

You can take that in all kind of connotations


And based upon the state of

Also, the Motion in Limine was that

we would not refer to any of the other trial matters.


THE COURT:

Well, I mean, just once before, to

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me, I think it would be a logical inference that we've

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rehearsed this or we've gone over this before.

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you're going to be talking about what we have rehearsed and you

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weren't very loud the first time when we rehearsed that.

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think you can take that just as easily.

This is just --

And I

He didn't say anything

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about a new trial or another proceeding and everybody better be

careful about that.

flirting with danger.

Be cautious about your words.

MR. GLICKLER:

THE COURT:

MR. GLICKLER:

Don't be

I understand.

Mr. Wright is going to catch you.


I understand, and I clearly

didn't mean to.

testimony yesterday that was Grand Jury testimony and it could

have been interpreted in numerous different ways, but I won't

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I'd also say that the record of Mr. McDuffee's

go back to anywhere near that.

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THE COURT:

Also, in the record it is

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reasonable -- remember, the statement of the attorneys do not

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constitute evidence, but still don't cause problems by your

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statements.

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close to flirting with danger.

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Be careful about the wording and let's don't get

(End of bench conference.)

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(BY MR. GLICKLER)

Where do you live?

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14993 Boyd Lane.

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And who do you live with?

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My family.

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And who does that include?

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My parents and my brothers and sisters.

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And how long have you lived there.

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11 years.

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What do you do for a living?

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I am a loan officer.

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And how old are you?

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26.

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And when is your birthday?

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April.

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So eight and a half years ago is when you turned 18.

Did you register to vote when you turned 18?

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Yes.

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And where did you register to vote from?

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14993 Boyd Lane.

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Okay.

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I want to jump ahead for a moment.

Did you

vote on May 8th of 2010 in Montgomery County, Texas?

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Yes.

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Did you vote in The Woodlands Road Utility District

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Board of Directors election on that day?

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Yes.

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And on that day, did you vote with a voter

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registration card that indicated an address other than Boyd

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Lane?

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Yes.

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Do you know Adrian Heath?

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Yes.

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How do you know Adrian Heath?

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Can you -- I don't...

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How long have you known Adrian Heath?

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How long have I known -- seven or eight years.

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Where did you first meet him?

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A Montgomery County constitution party meeting.

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Do you see the Adrian Heath -- do you see Adrian

Heath in courtroom?

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Yes.

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Can you point him out for the jury's benefit and

indicate where he is sitting and what he is wearing?

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Sitting to my right wearing a blue suit.

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Okay.

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How would you characterize your relationship

with Adrian Heath?

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That we're friends.

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Okay.

Now, you testified that you voted on May 8th

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of 2010 in the road utility district election.

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come to be?

How did you come part of that group that voted?

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That's a very broad question.

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Right.

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You want me to talk about --

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Well, let me ask you this.

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How did that

Did your brother vote

with you that day?

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Yes.

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How old was your brother in 2010?

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18.

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And had he registered to vote?

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Yes.

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And did he register to vote from the same address

that you had registered to vote?

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I believe so, yes.

THE COURT:

JURY PANEL:

THE COURT:

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(BY MR. GLICKLER)

Can the jury hear all right?


Yes.
Okay.

Thank you.

Prior to that election, you

previously had a voter registration card for Boyd Lane; is that

correct?

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Correct.

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And that's the same as it is today?

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Correct.

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Do you consider yourself to be active politically?

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Yes.

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And for someone 28 years of age, would you

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consider --

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26.

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26 years of age.

Sorry.

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For someone 26 years of age, would you consider

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yourself to be more or less politically active than your peers

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in your age group?

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More.

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Okay.

Where did this inspiration, if you will, to

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become politically active at a young age come from in your

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life?

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My parents.

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Okay.

And you're aware of issues related to things

that are being voted on in Montgomery County; is that correct?

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For the most part.

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You pay attention to elections?

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Yes.

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And you said you were -- first met Mr. Heath at the

Montgomery County constitutional party.

Have you been involved

in political parties over the last eight years?

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Yes.

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Now, who brought to your attention the road utility

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district and the pending 2010 Board of Directors election?

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Adrian Heath.

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And in what context did he bring that to your

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attention?
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A conversation after a Tea Party candidate forum in

The Woodlands.
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Okay.

That Tea Party candidate forum in The

Woodlands, was that in the spring of 2010?

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Yes.

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And was it for a runoff election?

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Yes.

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Okay.

And for those who aren't as politically astute

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as yourself and others here, if there's a runoff in a primary,

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that would be sometime after March, before early April; is that

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correct?

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Correct.

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Okay.

And was that the first time you heard about

the road utility district?

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Yes.

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Sometime in March or April of 2010?

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Yes.

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And where were you and Adrian Heath having this

conversation?

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In the parking lot.

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Were other people there?

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Yes.

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And what was the concern about the road utility

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district -- well, did anyone express a concern about the road

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utility district?

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Yes.

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Who?

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Adrian.

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What was his concern?

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That they were taking taxpayer funds in the form of

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property tax with no accountability to anybody because their

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Board of Directors was not elected.

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Okay.

Do you know if there had ever been a contested

election for that Board of Directors up to that point?


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I don't know.

But according to Adrian, there hadn't

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been an election at all since, I believe, 2000.

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Okay.

Now, if you're having an election for an

office and there's a vacancy of one and only one person files

to run for that office, is there a contested election?

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No.

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Okay.

Do you know if those were the circumstances

that had proceeded the previous ten years with the Board of

Directors?

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I don't know if that...

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Okay.

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Adrian.

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Okay.

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And everything that you knew, you were told by

who?

So were plans discussed -- or did the

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Defendant discuss with you what should be done about this

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situation?

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He outlined some things that he was planning to do,

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Okay.

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File to run as one of the directors.

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Okay.

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Correct.

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All right.

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yes.
And what was one of them?

To create a contested election?

Did Adrian Heath, in fact, run to be one

of the directors?

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No.

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Okay.

Who did run eventually to be the directors?

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Pete Goeddertz.

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Okay.

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Richard McDuffee and Bill Berntsen.

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Okay.

things.

be a resident of the road utility district to run for the

board?

Now, you said that he outlined some of the

One was to run someone for the board.

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No.

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And that's under the law?

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I would believe so.

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All right.

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Adrian.

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Okay.

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Well, who told you that you didn't have

to be a resident of the RUD?

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Did you have to

What was the second thing that the Defendant

outlined?
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Moving into the boundaries of the RUD to elect the

people that would run.


Q.

When you say "moving into the boundaries of the RUD,"

are there homes and apartments throughout the RUD?

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That's kind of our debate; but I would say, yes.

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Okay.

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No.

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Did you move into an apartment?

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No.

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Where did you move into?

Did you move into a house?

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The Residence Inn.

Q.

Okay.

And we'll discuss that in more detail.


The Residence Inn is a what?

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Hotel.

Q.

And you said, "moving into the boundaries of the

RUD."

At the moment that you cast -- well, I'll come back to

that later.

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Did you actually -- so how many of you moved


into the boundaries of the RUD at the Residence Inn?

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Ten.

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Okay.

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Because that's where Adrian had changed his, so I

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Why did you choose the Residence Inn?

changed it to the same.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Now, who convinced you that it was okay to register

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And did your brother also do the same?

to vote using a hotel as your residence?


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I convinced myself on testimony with what Adrian

provided and other people.


Q.

Okay.

But the information initially came from the

Defendant?

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Correct.

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And what was your philosophy personally after hearing

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about what the road utility district -- what was your personal

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philosophy that caused you to go along with this plan?

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That's the

whole reason we started the Revolutionary War.

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It's taxation without representation.

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Okay.

Now, who was being taxed in the road utility

district?

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Anybody that shops in it.

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Okay.

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No.

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Do you have options to shop elsewhere than the road

utility district if you so choose?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And are you required to shop in that district?

And, in fact, there is a Board of Directors,

right?

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Correct.

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Okay.

And again, you don't know whether or not that

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Board of Directors was elected prior to 2000 and then there was

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never a contest subsequently, do you?

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No, I don't.

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Okay.

For example, if there is a business in the

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road utility district, you could always go somewhere in Conroe

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to shop for the same reason, right?

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I could, too, but the colonists could also not buy

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Right.

tea.
But, you know, 250 years ago, choices were a

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lot -- significantly more limited than they are today.

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are pretty much the same businesses that are in The Woodlands

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are in Conroe and Houston and Austin and Dallas.

pretty fair that you can get any good of services anywhere,

isn't it?

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Yes.

Q.

Okay.

I mean, it's

And in terms of -- once again, you were not --

you were not involuntarily subject to any tax imposed on the

road utility district, were you?

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Correct.

Q.

Okay.

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May 7th.

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Okay.

So when did you first go to the Residence Inn?

And let me jump back to about the tax.

The

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tax being proposed in the road utility district is a property

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tax, correct?

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Yes.

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It's not a sales tax, is it?

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No.

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So when you go to Target in the road utility district

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and buy a 10-dollar item and there's an 8 and a quarter percent

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sales tax on that, that doesn't go to the road utility

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district, does it?

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That's correct.

But that's not why they charge you.

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They don't charge you sales tax?

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They don't charge the difference of the sales tax.

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Okay.

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There's a rate difference between the road utility

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district half a mile down the road outside the road utility

district, than there is the Residence Inn half a mile down the

street in the road utility district.

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Okay.

So the tax at the Residence Inn is a bit

different?

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No, the cost per room.

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The cost per room?

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Correct.

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And that's no different than one car dealer selling a

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car for a different price than another, isn't it?

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has the right to charge its prices, doesn't it?

A business

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Correct.

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So you said that you first stayed at the Residence

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Inn on May 7th of 2010?

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Yes.

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And you voted on May 8th?

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A.

Yes.

18

Q.

And yet, you had already declared on your voter

19

registration card that that was your address?

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

So at the time you signed that voter registration

22

card, you had never stayed a single night at that Residence

23

Inn?

24

A.

Correct.

25

Q.

And what did you do on May 8th?

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A.

We voted.

Q.

Okay.

A.

First thing.

Q.

Okay.

About what time in the day?

So let's start out a little earlier.

On

Saturday, May 8th of 2010, where did you wake up?

A.

Residence Inn.

Q.

Okay.

A.

To the voting box.

Q.

Okay.

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

And after you voted, what did you do?

12

A.

Went back to the Residence Inn.

13

Q.

Okay.

14

A.

I don't remember exactly, but we checked out late

15

And where did you go from the Residence Inn?

And did you cast a vote that day?

And what did you do?

that day.

16

Q.

Okay.

18

A.

No.

19

Q.

Was it early afternoon?

20

A.

Most likely.

21

Q.

Okay.

22

A.

5:00.

23

Q.

All right.

17

24
25

Do you recall what time of day you checked

out?

Do you know what time the polls close?

Is it fair to say that you actually

checked out of the hotel before the polls were closed?


A.

Yes.

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1
2

Q.

And when you checked out on May 8th of 2010, when did

you intend to return to the Residence Inn?

A.

No date was specifically planned.

Q.

All right.

Where did go from that -- where did you

sleep on May 8th of 2010?

A.

At my parents' house at 14993 Boyd Lane.

Q.

And on that day in question, your driver's license

would have told police officer who might stop you for a traffic

offense or someone who looked at it to check would have said

10

that you lived where?

11

A.

At Boyd Lane.

12

Q.

Okay.

13

intent to return.

Sometime after May 8th of 2010, you formed an


Why?

14

A.

That's an assumption that I wouldn't agree with.

15

Q.

Okay.

16

A.

Because I had an intent to return before May 8th.

17

Q.

Okay.

18

A.

I don't know.

19

Q.

Sometime after May 8th, within the next couple of

Why wouldn't you agree with it?

When did you intend to return?

20

days, did you form a specific timeframe in which you intended

21

to return?

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

And why did you -- why did that accelerate your

24
25

decision-making process?
A.

Because of the subsequent outcome of that election.

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Q.

There were issues raised about the election, correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And as a result of the issues raised and your

conversations -- did you have conversations that included the

Defendant?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And as a result of that, did you then form a specific

timeframe for an intent to return?

A.

Yes.

10

Q.

And when is the first time you returned to the

11

Residence Inn after May 8?

12
13

A.

I don't know the date, but it was within the next ten

Q.

Okay.

days.

14
15
16

MR. GLICKLER:
Elmo.

17
18

Your Honor, may I approach the

THE COURT:
Q.

Yes.

(BY MR. GLICKLER)

And do you recall who was present

19

at the first conversation you had after the election about

20

these issues about returning to the Residence Inn and whatnot?

21

A.

For the most part.

22

Q.

Okay.

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

Was your brother one of these people?

25

A.

I don't think so.

And was the Defendant one of these people?

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Q.

Okay.

A.

I don't remember.

Q.

Showing you what's in evidence as State's Exhibit

Was Richard McDuffee one of these people?


I think so.

Number 4, do you know what combination forms are?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And what are they?

A.

They're the voter roll that you sign when you cast a

ballot.

Q.

And do you see your signature on here?

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

Which line would it be?

12

A.

8.

13

Q.

Is that it right there?

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

And did all ten of you vote together at the same time

16

that day?

17

A.

Yes.

18

Q.

And this is on May 8th of 2010?

19

A.

Correct.

20

Q.

Okay.

Now, in evidence as State's Exhibit Number 6

21

are records from the Residence Inn.

22

you know who James Jenkins is?

And as we flip through, do

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

Was he one of the members of the group that

25

participated in this activity?

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A.

Yes.

Q.

And did he pay for the room that you stayed in on

May 7th?

Let me rephrase that question.

Did he put that room on his credit card?

A.

I don't know.

Q.

Okay.

A.

I don't believe so.

Q.

All right.

check.

Then who paid for the room -- well, let's

This is the records May 7th, one night, Jim Jenkins,

10

departed at 3:36 p.m. on May 9th, Sunday.

You said you

11

departed on Saturday.

12

that individuals stayed in the room included Adrian Heath and

13

Tom Curry, Goeddertz, McDuffee.

14

room as Jim Jenkins; is that correct?

This Page 2 of this document indicates

You did not stay in the same

15

A.

Correct.

16

Q.

There's a room for Tom Curry, who is actually listed

17

as having stayed in Mr. Jenkins' room, but there's another

18

room.

19

in that night?

Did he put on his credit card the room that you stayed

20

A.

I believe so.

21

Q.

And who else stayed in that room with you and

22

Mr. Curry?

Well, did Mr. Curry stay in the room?

23

You said yes?

24

A.

Yes.

25

Q.

Did anyone else stay in the room?

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A.

My brother.

Q.

Okay.

A.

No.

Q.

Is your brother married?

A.

No.

Q.

Is Mr. Curry married?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And it says that -- it shows a departure on May 8th

Now, are you married?

of 2010 of 11:53 a.m.

10

A.

Probably.

11

Q.

Okay.

Does that sound about right?

But there's actually no indication on this

12

page that shows that you stayed there.

13

guests, one.

14

A.

That's what it says.

15

Q.

Okay.

16

It says number of

Is that correct?

And here's another room for Mr. Curry.

You

didn't stay there on April 30th, did you?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

And then we have the last page of the exhibit, shows

19

Ben Allison and it shows your address as being where?

20

A.

14993 Boyd.

21

Q.

And how many guests?

22

A.

Two.

23

Q.

And who stayed there with you?

24

A.

My brother.

25

Q.

Okay.

And this was on May 14th?

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A.

Correct.

Q.

Checked out on May 15th at 9:45 in the morning?

A.

Correct.

Q.

So if May 7th was the Friday night before the May 8th

election, May 14th would be one week later, Friday night?

A.

Correct.

Q.

This is the first night you went back to this hotel?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And the second night you ever stayed there?

10

A.

Correct.

11

Q.

Okay.

Now, State's Exhibit 7 are some voter

12

registration cards -- voter registration applications.

13

familiar with these, correct?

You're

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

So by my account, is it true that you have filled out

16

a voter registration application form three times in your life?

17

A.

Yes.

18

Q.

Okay.

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

Once when you registered -- this would be your second

21

one, correct?

22

A.

Correct.

23

Q.

And sometime after June of 2010, you filled another

24
25

Once when you registered at age 18?

one out to change your voter registration back to Boyd Lane?


A.

Correct.

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1
2

Q.

And all along, even on this form, you listed your

mailing address as what address?

A.

14993 Boyd Lane.

Q.

Okay.

Now, this one you signed -- is that your

signature?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And did you date the day you signed it?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And you signed it on April 6th of 2010?

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

At the date -- on the day which you signed this form,

12

had you ever stayed at 9333 Six Pines?

13

A.

No.

14

Q.

Okay.

And in the box where you list Six Pines as

15

your address, can you read that, the typed print in Box

16

Number 3?

17

A.

Street address, apartment number.

18

where you live.

19

business address.

20
21

Q.

Okay.

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

Okay.

25

Do not include P.O. box, rural street, or

Six Pines is technically a business address,

isn't it?

22

24

If none, describe

And on April 6th of 2010, is Six Pines what

you would describe where you live?


A.

No.

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1
2

Q.

Okay.

Do you know if your brother had ever stayed at

that Residence Inn before May 7, 2010?

A.

Not to my knowledge.

Q.

Okay.

A.

January.

Q.

Right there.

A.

Yes.

Q.

Do you know if this is his first voter registration

And when is your brother's birthday?

1/28/92?

application or his second?

10

A.

I don't know.

11

Q.

Let me ask you this question.

Your brother turned 18

12

in January and there was a primary in March, so would he have

13

been eligible to vote in the primary?

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

Did he vote in the primary?

16

A.

Yes.

17

Q.

And on this form that he filled out on April 6th, the

18

same day as you, he checked what box up top?

19

A.

Change of address.

20

Q.

Okay.

So as of April 6th, 2010, your brother has

21

been eligible to vote for less than two and a half months and

22

initially registered to vote at what address?

23

A.

Boyd Lane.

24

Q.

Which is where who lives?

25

A.

My parents.

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Q.

Okay.

A.

Yes.

Q.

And in less than two and a half months, he changed

4
5
6
7

And was he living there at the time?

the address to the Residence Inn; is that correct?


A.

Correct.

It was actually longer than that because he

had registered -- he had registered prior to his birthday.


Q.

Right.

You can preregister when you're going to turn

18 so that if your birthday, your 18th birthday was an election

day, you would be allowed to vote, correct?

10

A.

Correct.

11

Q.

Because -- so how did you pay for your room on

12

May 7th?

13

A.

We paid -- I believe Mr. Jenkins.

14

Q.

Okay.

15

And you said Mr. Curry stayed in that room on

May 7th as well?

16

A.

Yes.

17

Q.

And he is married?

18

A.

Yes.

19

Q.

Was his wife there?

20

A.

No.

21

Q.

Now, after the election, when you learned that there

22

was some questions about the election and you went to a

23

meeting, what was -- what was the purpose that you were brought

24

to that meeting?

25

A.

Mr. Jenkins had consulted an attorney to do some

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things and so this meeting was a result of that.

2
3

Q.

Okay.

At the time of this meeting, had any of the

ten of you gone back to the Residence Inn?

A.

I don't know.

Q.

Okay.

But as a result of this meeting, is that why

you stayed there on May 14th?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Now, after May 14th and during the period of time

9
10

that this election was being debated, did you go back and stay
at the Residence Inn some more?

11

A.

Yes.

12

Q.

Of the ten people who went back to the Residence Inn

13

for more -- who went back the most and stayed there as a

14

resident or as a guest?

15

A.

Most probably myself and my brother.

16

Q.

Okay.

Showing you State's Exhibit 19, which are more

17

business records from the Residence Inn, this room lists four

18

guests, Mr. Goeddertz, Mr. Jenkins, Mr. Heath, and Mr. Curry

19

for one night.

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

Okay.

Is that correct?

Now, here's a room registered to Mr. Jenkins

22

from May 29 through June 14 and it lists three guests.

23

Mr. Jenkins book the room for you that you stayed in those

24

days?

25

A.

Yes.

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Q.

And did you pay him for those rooms?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And it appears that it's the night of the 29th and

checking out on June 14th, so that would be 29th, 30th, 31st,

three in May, 13 in June.

Sixteen consecutive nights?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Did you actually stay there every night, or did you

just have the room?

A.

No.

We stayed there.

10

Q.

Okay.

Mr. Curry appears to have gone back one night

11

in July and then Mr. Curry appears to have also stayed for

12

nearly a month, from late May to late June.

13

Mr. Curry in that timeframe?

14

A.

Not in the same room.

15

Q.

Who stayed in the room with you?

16

A.

My brother.

17

Q.

Anyone else?

18

A.

No.

19

Q.

Okay.

Did you stay with

So as we flip through these records, focusing

20

on who was booking rooms for when and how long, is it fair to

21

say here's a room booked for you, May 28th to June 22nd, nearly

22

a month?

23

doesn't it?

This is the room for you.

It only lists one guest,

24

A.

Correct.

25

Q.

And again, for May 28th to June 22nd, did you stay

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every night?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And did you brother stay every night?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And then there's some incidentals that obviously you

were charged to pay; is that correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Including phone calls and things of that nature.

9
10

And you had booked a room for yourself for one


night May 23rd; is that correct?

11

A.

Myself and my brother.

12

Q.

Okay.

13

brother for a minute.

14
15

Now, let's talk about yourself and your

Of the ten people who voted, did you actually


own a home?

16

A.

No.

17

Q.

Did you have a homestead exemption on a property?

18

A.

No.

19

Q.

Did your brother own a home?

20

A.

No.

21

Q.

Did he have a homestead exemption on a property?

22

A.

No.

23

Q.

Who owned the home that you and your brother lived in

24
25

most of your adult life?


A.

My father.

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1
2

Q.

Okay.

Does he have a Warranty Deed for that

property?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And a homestead exemption?

A.

Yes.

Q.

In fact, State's Exhibit Number 16 is your father's

Warranty Deed, correct?

A.

Looks like it.

Q.

Okay.

So you did not own a home.

Do you know

10

whether or not the other eight individuals owned homes and had

11

Warranty Deeds and homestead exemptions on property?

12

A.

I believe some of them did.

13

Q.

Okay.

14

Once the issues involving the election were

settled in June, did you leave the Residence Inn?

15

A.

Yes.

16

Q.

Have you ever returned since then?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

And is this picture on State's Exhibit 28, what is

19

that a picture of on the bottom?

Can you tell?

20

A.

That's the mailbox.

21

Q.

The mailbox where?

22

A.

At our house.

23

Q.

Okay.

24

A.

Yes.

25

Q.

Does your brother get mail there?

And did you get mail there?

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A.

Yes.

Q.

Does your father get mail there?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And were you getting mail there consistently in

April, May, and June 2010?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Was your father aware of what was going on with his

election?

A.

Yes.

10

Q.

And was your father aware that you and your brother

11

were changing your voter registrations?

12

A.

Yes.

13

Q.

Did your father change his voter registration?

14

A.

No.

15

Q.

Why not?

16

A.

He told me he didn't want the cost of two residences.

17

Q.

Okay.

18

And when you went to the hotel, did you take

all of your possessions?

19

A.

I left some valuable things at my parents' house.

20

Q.

Did you leave any clothes at your parents house?

21

A.

No.

22

Q.

Did go back to your parents house for meals?

23

A.

Occasionally.

24

Q.

Okay.

25

A.

He went with me.

Did your brother?

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1
2

Q.

Okay.

At the time of the election in May of 2010,

did your brother have a driver's license?

A.

Yes.

Q.

In May of 2010?

A.

I don't know.

Q.

Take a moment.

I'm showing you what's in evidence as

State's Exhibit Number 48.

And on the front page from the

Department of Public Safety, is your brother's legal name

Robert Dabney Allison?

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

Living at Boyd Lane?

12

A.

Correct.

13

Q.

And this record indicates his license was originally

14

issued on what day?

15

A.

June 24th.

16

Q.

Okay.

17

A.

2010.

18

Q.

All right.

19

Of --

Does that sound about right from when you

recall him getting his driver's license?

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

Okay.

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

And when you get a driver's license they don't give

24
25

And is that your brother?

it to you that day, you get a temporary license, right?


A.

Correct.

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Q.

And the temporary license lasts a significant period

of time to allow the Department of Public Safety to mail you

your actual driver's license, correct?

A.

Usually six months.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

And this was issued on June 24th of 2010?

Listing the Six Pines address, correct?

By June 24th of 2010, you guys had checked out

10

of the hotel, though, correct?

11

showed it.

When we saw those records, they

12

A.

Somewhere close to there.

13

Q.

Right.

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

And when did you do that?

16

A.

After --

17

Q.

After the election?

18

A.

Yes.

19

Q.

After the meeting?

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

Okay.

Did you change your driver's license?

And after the election and after the meeting,

22

did you and others return to the Residence Inn, even folks who

23

did not stay any nights there?

24

A.

After the election?

25

Q.

After the election and after the meeting about the

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problems with the election?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And were pictures taken?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Showing you what's in evidence as State's Exhibit

Number 33.

Are you familiar with this set of pictures?

A.

Somewhat.

Q.

Okay.

A.

To document we were there.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

Why were the pictures being taken?

And people were holding up documents, correct,

in the pictures?

12

A.

He is.

13

Q.

Okay.

14

A.

I think it's Mr. Curry.

15

Q.

Okay.

16

A.

Correct.

17

Q.

And who is in the picture on the bottom of this page,

18

And who is the person in the blue shirt?

And he's holding up a piece of mail, correct?

Page Number 87?

19

A.

Mr. Berntsen.

20

Q.

All right.

21

A.

He's holding one and there's one in the corner.

22

Q.

Do you see yourself in this picture?

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

What color shirt?

25

A.

Black.

And there's newspapers in this picture?

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Q.

And the next picture.

A.

Mr. Berntsen.

Q.

And what is he holding up?

document up?

A.

I see some red, that's it.

Q.

Okay.

exhibit.

Who is that again?

Is he holding some

Here is a page marked as Page 91 of this

Who is that?

A.

Mr. Curry.

Q.

What is he holding up?

10

A.

Newspaper.

11

Q.

These pictures, they were all taken after the

12

election and the meeting to discuss the election, correct?

13

A.

I don't know.

14

Q.

Okay.

15

You were only there one night before the

election and multiple nights after, correct?

16

A.

Correct.

17

Q.

Are you and your brother present in this picture?

18

A.

Yes.

19

Q.

Near the back of the exhibit on Page Number 112, who

20

are in this picture on top?

21
22
23

A.

That's Mr. Heath on the left and Mr. Jenkins in the

Q.

Okay.

back.
And is it fair to say in this picture that

24

they are posing for the camera?

25

it, correct?

They're both looking right at

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A.

Yes.

Q.

Smiling?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Can you tell what Mr. Heath is holding in his hand?

A.

I can't now; but if you zoom out, it looks like a

voter registration card.

Q.

I got it focused now.

What's in his hand?

A.

Voter registration card.

Q.

Okay.

At this meeting that you had after the

10

election when the problems with the election were discussed,

11

did Mr. Heath express his position or opinion about going back

12

to the hotel?

13

A.

To some extent.

14

Q.

And what was that extent?

15

A.

He didn't seem to think it was necessary.

16

Q.

Okay.

17

And did he discuss the financial aspect of

going back to this hotel?

18

A.

Yes.

19

Q.

And what was his situation on the financial aspect of

20

going back to the hotel?

21

A.

That it was expensive.

22

Q.

Okay.

23

And is it fair to say that you and your

brother stayed there more than anyone else?

24

A.

I believe so.

25

Q.

And did you get charged in this offense?

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A.

No.

Q.

Okay.

Did your brother get charged with this

offense?

A.

No.

Q.

Did you testify before a Grand Jury?

A.

No.

Q.

Did you have an agreement with the State to testify

before a Grand Jury?

A.

No.

10

Q.

Did you have an agreement with the State to testify

11

in this trial?

12

A.

I was subpoenaed, so --

13

Q.

And prior to May 8th of 2010, is there any single

14

piece of documentation that exists, other than the voter

15

registration application, that connects you, Benjamin Allison,

16

to the address of the Residence Inn?

17

A.

No.

18

MR. GLICKLER:

19

MR. WRIGHT:

20
21
22

Pass the witness Your Honor.


If I may, Your Honor?

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

Ben, we can't move that microphone any closer to you;

23

so you're going to have to act like Jay Leno or something

24

because sometimes I'm having trouble hearing you.

25

going to go ahead and go from like last to first, I guess.

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1
2

You and your brother were initially indicted in


this case, weren't you?

A.

We were not.

Q.

Your name was not in the indictment?

A.

No.

Q.

Okay.

A.

I don't know.

8
9

How is it that you came to not be indicted?


I had no involvement in that

proceeding.
Q.

Okay.

And so -- well, hadn't you -- you had somebody

10

contact the attorney general when everybody was called and

11

invited to testify to the Grand Jury, right?

12

A.

Correct.

13

Q.

Okay.

14

And so basically you worked some agreement to

try avoid indictment.

Isn't that true?

15

A.

I didn't work anything.

16

Q.

Did you have somebody work it for you?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

Okay.

Now, let's go back to -- you were asked

19

questions about what you did before the election and then you

20

were asked questions about what you did after the election,

21

right?

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

Was your, I guess, attitude and your understanding

24

about what you were doing, was it different before the election

25

than it was after the election?

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A.

Not -- not substantially.

Q.

Okay.

registration and went and voted.

4
5

So let's go to before you change your


Let's go back.

You talked at a meeting, I believe you said it


was a Tea Party meeting?

A.

Correct.

Q.

With Adrian Heath?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And who else was there?

10

A.

Well, the meeting had over 200 people there.

11

Q.

I'm sorry.

12

A.

My father was there.

13

Q.

What's your father's name?

14

A.

Peter Allison and Alice Allison.

15

Q.

Okay.

16

A.

And possibly my brother Robert was there, possibly my

17
18

In the conversation.
My mother was there.

sister -- or at least one.


Q.

Okay.

19

Well, I'm a little neglectful.

Let's go back.

Were you pretty much born and raised in Conroe?

20

A.

No.

21

Q.

Okay.

22

We moved here 11 years ago.


Eleven years ago.
Where did you go to school?

23

A.

I have been home-schooled my entire life.

24

Q.

Your entire life.

25

A.

My entire school life, yes.

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Q.

Did go to college?

A.

No.

Q.

Okay.

And I think -- so were your brother and sister

home-schooled, also?

A.

They were.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Mostly by my mom.

Q.

So -- and had you -- and you're working as a loan

By your mom and dad?


But, yes.

officer?

10

A.

I am.

11

Q.

For what company?

12

A.

For Mega Mortgage of Texas.

13

Q.

What they call a loan arranger, right?

14

A.

I'm a broker.

15

Q.

From the State of Texas?

16

A.

Yes.

17

Q.

Very good.

I hold a loan officer's license.

All right.

Now, let me get pack back to

18

that initial conversation that got you involved in this.

19

What did Adrian Heath tell you about this

20
21
22

election?
A.

Not so much about the election, just the RUD in

general and that there was an upcoming election.

23

Q.

What did he tell you about the RUD?

24

A.

That he had been -- he found a list of all the

25

entities in Montgomery County that have public debt and he had

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come across this RUD on this list and had no idea who they

were, what they did, and they were relatively more toward the

top of the list than the bottom.

he is, wanted to find out about it.

had conversations with their attorney down in Houston.

6
7

Q.

So he went digging and had

Well, back up a little bit.

Did he say how much debt

the road utility district had?

A.

He did.

Q.

All right.

10

So Adrian, being the guy that

I don't remember.
So then he said he had talked with the

RUD attorneys?

11

A.

He did.

12

Q.

Did he give you the name of that attorney?

13

A.

Mike Page.

14

Q.

Okay.

15
16
17

And what did he tell you about that?


MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, I'm going to object.

That question calls for hearsay.


MR. WRIGHT:

It's not being offered for the

18

truth of the matter asserted.

19

his state of mind at the time and really showing Adrian's state

20

of mind at the time and why he took the actions that he took.

21

MR. GLICKLER:

It's under 803.

It's showing

Well, it's his state of mind

22

isn't relevant at the time.

23

conversation between the Defendant and a lawyer that's relayed

24

between this witness, so it is hearsay.

25

MR. WRIGHT:

And on top of that, it's a

Which would show Adrian's state of

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mind at that time.

true, Your Honor.

We're not saying anything that was said was

THE COURT:

All right.

MR. GLICKLER:

Your objection?

My objection is hearsay and

relevance.

it's speculation, for that matter, true.

Mr. Heath's state of mind is, just what Mr. Heath said to him.

8
9

THE COURT:

14

Come on up here just for

(Bench conference outside the presence of the


jury.)

12
13

All right.

He does not know what

one moment so we can get something on the record.

10
11

Mr. Allison is the one on the witness stand and

THE COURT:

Can you proffer what he's going to

say?
MR. WRIGHT:

Honestly, I don't know.

He asked

15

him what did Adrian talk to you about.

16

and I think it's relevant to show Adrian's state of mind.

17

THE COURT:

He's opened the door

I know, but, you know, we got the

18

Crawford case kind of is a gatekeeper for -- in all fairness,

19

the other party always has a chance to test this and if it's

20

someone that is not here under Crawford, how does that pass

21

that constitutional test of being able to justify and verify

22

whether it's truthful or not?

23

MR. WRIGHT:

Well, it's not being offered for

24

the truth of the matter asserted and I told the jury that.

25

We're just trying to show why he took the steps he took.

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could have been told there is aliens coming down here in a

month.

But we're showing why he took --

THE COURT:

MR. GLICKLER:

What is the date this is occurring?

But my question was --

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

It's what got it started.


An element that we're litigating

here is whether the Defendant knew he was not eligible to vote.

9
10

Somewhere in late March or April.

MR. GLICKLER:

This is a question about the

attorney from the RUD --

11

THE COURT:

Well, I mean, isn't that information

12

that arguably could be taken into the calculus of what he knew

13

for the jury to pass on.

14

MR. GLICKLER:

15

knew.

16

issue.

17

He's not talking about what he

But he's also not asking about issues relevant to that


He's asking about issues about the RUD.
THE COURT:

The element is whether the Defendant

18

knew he was eligible or not -- whether he knew he was eligible

19

or not eligible to vote.

You say this passes toward that.

20

MR. WRIGHT:

21

THE COURT:

22

MR. WRIGHT:

Yes.
In what way?
In a way -- well, this goes to show

23

his motivation for registering and voting that way and that's

24

what's being offered, to show what his state of mind was.

25

got to have some intent, some motive, and knowledge.

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He's

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goes to all those things.

THE COURT:

You know what's very disturbing

about this is at the time of the applications, the applications

are making representations that the evidence shows are not

accurate.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

That's correct.
All right.

I am kind of anxious to

know what lawyer would advise these people to put false

statements --

10

MR. GLICKLER:

That's where this is such a false

11

impression.

12

talking about the district and how the district operates.

13

Nothing about elections.

14

predicate to say this is related to an element.

15
16

This is the lawyer for the RUD utility district

There has been no questions of

MR. WRIGHT:

Right now what I'm focusing on is

why did these people get involved.

17

THE COURT:

You don't know what he's about to

18

say.

19

to have to wait and hold our breath.

20

You're telling me you don't know what -- so we're going

MR. GLICKLER:

Mr. Page didn't tell him anything

21

about you can vote or you can't vote.

22

Mr. Page about is about how the RUD operates, who the board is.

23

It had nothing to do with voting.

24

THE COURT:

25

MR. GLICKLER:

What Mr. Heath spoke to

So what's the problem there?


What Mr. Page says about the RUD

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is hearsay and not relevant to an element that we're trying.

2
3

MR. WRIGHT:

It is relevant to show the

motivation on why they took these steps and why they did this.

MR. GLICKLER:

Then it would be proper to come

from Mr. Heath and Mr. Page, but not what Mr. Heath told

Mr. Allison about what Mr. Page said.

7
8

MR. WRIGHT:
I think he opened the door.

9
10

He had wide-open questions to him.

MR. GLICKLER:

I did not ask him what Mr. Heath

said.

11

THE COURT:

Go to something else and when I

12

break, then I want to hear what he has to say what the lawyer

13

says before it gets in front of the jury, before I make a

14

ruling.

Okay.

15

(End of bench conference.)

16

THE COURT:

17

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

You may proceed.

Thank you.

Let me move on to something else.

18

Is when you talked to Adrian about -- well, did

19

you talk to Adrian in that meeting about voting in the May 8th

20

election?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

Okay.

23
24
25

And what did Adrian tell you about having the

ability to vote in the May 8th election?


A.

That there was no residence requirement per the

election code or any sort of duration of residency because

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that's a civil rights information.

Q.

Okay.

had for that?

A.

And did he tell you on what authority that he

Well, he looked up the election code on what you had

to do to -- he had looked up the election code on what was

required to change residency.

Q.

Did he discuss any legal opinions with you?

A.

He had a Secretary of State brief and, I believe, an

attorney general's letter.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

A.

I did not.

It was a couple of days after.

12

Q.

Afterward.

All right.

13
14

And so did you look at those that evening?

MR. WRIGHT:

May I approach the witness, Your

Honor.

15

THE COURT:

16

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

You may.
I want to show you what's been

17

premarked as Defendant's Exhibit 1 and ask you if you recognize

18

that.

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

Now, is that a true and correct copy of the Secretary

21

of State's opinion that you just testified to that you were

22

given by Adrian that you looked at?

23

A.

It looks like it.

24

Q.

Okay.

25

A.

I have.

And you have read it and studied it?

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Q.

Okay.

registered --

A.

Yes.

Q.

-- and voted, right?

A.

Yes.

Well, you had read it before you went and

MR. WRIGHT:

Your Honor, I would tender a copy

of Defendant's Exhibit 1 to counsel for their review and ask

that it be admitted in this case versus examining that witness.

MR. GLICKLER:

No objection, Your Honor.

10

THE COURT:

11

(Defendant's Exhibit 1 admitted.)

12

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Admitted.

Now, can you tell us about how many

13

days after you talked to Adrian did you get a hold of this

14

written opinion and read it?

15

A.

Two or three.

16

Q.

Okay.

17

A.

Adrian sent it to my dad, and my dad sent to it

18
19

So how was it that you got a copy to look at?

myself and my brother.


Q.

All right.

Now, was that a fairly, I guess, routine

20

type of way that you and your dad and Adrian and others in this

21

group would exchange information?

22
23
24
25

A.

Well, my informational exchange is nonexistent with

most of them except Adrian.


Q.

So, yes.

And it wasn't unusual for him to give you something

about an issue, some political issue, right?

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A.

No.

Q.

And years past, issues about elections upcoming, bond

issues, you and your dad and he would discuss these things,

correct?

A.

it to my dad.

to me.

8
9

Q.

Yeah.

He didn't have my e-mail address, so he sent

So, yeah, my dad would forward stuff from Adrian

And so you say that you then two or three days later

read this legal opinion.

10

A.

Correct.

11

Q.

All right.

12

Is that correct?

And what was it about this legal opinion

that made you believe that -- well, I guess I'm jumping ahead.

13

After reading this, did you decide that you

14

would change your registration and go vote?

15

MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, I'm going to object.

16

That calls for a legal conclusion as well as relevance.

17

not the one on trial.

18

THE COURT:

He's

His question was after reading this,

19

did you decide that you would change your registration and go

20

vote.

21

MR. GLICKLER:

22

THE COURT:

23

I think it was would or could.

I'm reading it, it says "would" on

the transcript.

24

MR. GLICKLER:

25

of this opinion is improper.

I still think that his analysis


Calls for a legal conclusion and

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it's a backdoor way of doing it and I object.

2
3
4
5

THE COURT:
A.

Overruled.

It wasn't particularly after I read it the light went

on, but it was definitely a major part.


Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Okay.

So what part -- I lost my

extra copy of this.

that made you think that it was okay to register at a hotel?

A.

But what part of this opinion did you read

I would have to look at it on the Elmo.

MR. WRIGHT:

10

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

11

review that.

12

A.

It's too blurry.


Let me bring it to you.

If you can

So it was talking about college students that were

13

living in college and voting either at college or at their

14

previous place of residence, and it's the conclusion that was

15

the most helpful.

16

that the college students can live at college and -- live at

17

college and then go home and vote or they could change their

18

residency to where there college was, be active in politics

19

where they were college and vote there and then -- but have the

20

intention of returning to their parents' house or somewhere

21

else once they graduated.

22

It basically says after -- the opinion was

So basically the conclusion said, no more or

23

less can be required of college students during the voter

24

registration process than any other Texas voter.

25

hold college students to more lenient standard than anybody

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else.

No Texas -- voter registrar may require an affidavit or

questionnaire in addition to the information required to get a

voter registration certificate.

age of majority is presumed to make a factual statement about

his or her voting residence.

the best position to make a statement about the residence of

the student.

determining where they live and Texas law does not require a

10

Everybody else has the right to change their registry.

A person who has reached the

So moreover, the student is in

So the student is the only person capable of

statement of duration of future residence.

11

So I don't have to tell the registrar I'm going

12

to be here for a year or two years.

You just tell them I'm

13

living here and that's it.

14

college students as well as to other voters and no more can be

15

required of them to register to vote in the State of Texas.

16

basically, college students that want to vote at college and

17

vote home is perfectly legal and that's the same requirement

18

for everybody in Texas.

So these principles apply to

Not just college students.

19

Q.

But you read the whole opinion?

20

A.

I did.

21

Q.

Not just the conclusion?

22

A.

Yeah.

23

Q.

All right.

No, I read the whole opinion.


And so basically, then, would there --

24

was there case law -- well, the case law in this opinion that

25

cites cases --

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A.

It does.

Q.

And it takes bits and pieces from those cases and

says that you can rely on this case from, like, the Texas

Supreme Court?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And so then they take all these different cases in

this opinion or these different elements, I guess, of residency

and put them in this conclusion?

A.

Correct.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

And so was one of those cases, I guess, that

was cited called to Mills v. Bartlett.

12

MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, I'm going object to

13

him going into case law.

First of all, it's not in evidence.

14

Second of all, this witness says he does not remember what was

15

in it.

16

personal knowledge and the case law is improper.

He's just reading the exhibit, so he doesn't have

17

THE COURT:

He is just asked the question off of

18

an exhibit that's been admitted into evidence, and I'll let you

19

bring it up.

20

feel like is contrary to the rules of evidence.

21

question -- in just the way it was couched is not inadmissible.

22

I overrule your objection.

23

If he wants to explore further in a way that you


But this

Go ahead.

24

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Do you remember the question?

25

A.

I don't think you got to the question; or if you did,

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I don't remember.

Q.

Well, the question was:

When you read this entire

opinion, then, to -- in the cases that were cited in it, did

you see the case of Mills v. Bartlett?

A.

I remember that name.

Q.

All right.

Did you go and look that case up and read

that case independent of this?

A.

I didn't.

Q.

Did you discuss Mills v. Bartlett with Adrian?

10

A.

Not to my knowledge.

11

Q.

And then you said you also had relied upon or looked

12

at -- you said it was a letter from the attorney general?

13

A.

I believe that's what it was.

14

Q.

Greg Abbott.

15
16

I want to show you what's been premarked as


Exhibit 3 and ask if you recognize what that is.

17
18

Okay.

A.

This looks to be the letter -- this looks to be the

letter from the attorney general.

19

Q.

Okay.

20

A.

Correct.

21

Q.

Officially, it's an official opinion, correct, for

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

Did you read this thoroughly about the same time that

22

25

And that's -- it looks like a letter, right?

2004?

you read the Secretary of State opinion?

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A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

And did reading this opinion also help to form

the basis of your determining or deciding to go and change your

registration and vote?

A.

Yes, it did.

MR. WRIGHT:

Okay.

I'm tendering Defense

Exhibit 3 to counsel for their review and ask that it be

admitted for this trial.

MR. GLICKLER:

No objection.

10

THE COURT:

11

(Defense Exhibit 3 admitted.)

12

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Be admitted.

Can you tell us what was it in that

13

Attorney General Greg Abbot's opinion that lead you to believe

14

that you could pick your residence at a hotel?

15

A.

I would have to go through it, but basically a

16

qualified voter is somebody who is 18 years of age, a citizen

17

of the United States, is not mentally incompetent, has not been

18

convicted of a felony, and is a registered voter.

19

to read through it to find where the more pertinent parts were.

20

Q.

It's been like three and a half years?

21

A.

Yeah.

22

I would have

But basically it kind of reiterated the same

things along the line of this Secretary of State opinion.

23

Q.

Okay.

24

A.

That's there's no residency required, there's no

25

And so --

residency duration requirement to vote.

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1
2

Q.

All right.

So you're using the words "there is no

duration requirement."

That's what they use in these opinions?

A.

Don't quote me on that, but, yes.

Q.

Okay.

And so did they end up -- or did you recognize

some of the same, I guess, case citations in the attorney

general's opinion that were in the Secretary of State's

opinion?

A.

I can't say.

Q.

You can't remember?

10

A.

Yeah, I can't remember.

11

Q.

I'm trying to find that section you were talking

12

about.

Okay.

I think this might have been the operative.

13

Page 4, I guess, of the opinion, did you read this near the top

14

of the page?

15

A.

Yes.

16

Q.

-- off and on, off and on.

Can you see that?

17
18

On

I know your screen is --

Where it says the court declared the meaning of


the term "residence" for voting purposes.

Do you see that --

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

-- in that paragraph?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

It says, depends upon the circumstances surrounding

23

the person involved, largely depends upon the present intention

24

of the individual, correct?

25

A.

Correct.

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Q.

So when it says, "Volition, intention, and action are

all elements to be considered in determining where a person

resides and such elements are equally pertinent of the

permanent residence or domicile."

"Neither bodily presence alone or intention alone will suffice

to create residence, but when the two coincide at that moment,

the residence is fixed and determined."

Then it goes on and says,

Now, had you read that?

A.

I had.

10

Q.

And it says, "There is no specific length of time for

11

bodily presence to continue."

12

A.

Correct.

13

Q.

Okay.

14

So that was in your mind when -- after -- you

read both of these opinions; is that correct?

15

A.

It was.

16

Q.

Okay.

Now, after reading these opinions, what else

17

did you do to try to verify this idea that, well, you can just

18

pick where you want to vote from?

19

A.

I pulled up the election code of Texas related to the

20

governance of elections and who is eligible to vote and when

21

and where and how.

22
23
24
25

Q.

Okay.

And did you look up the meaning of residence

Yes.

Well, I looked up a part of the election code

in that?
A.

and if you showed it to me, I would recognize it.

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remember if it specifically defined the term "residence."

would think it did, but --

MR. WRIGHT:

Let me approach the witness, Your

Honor, if I may.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Defendant's Exhibit 4.

it.

I want to show you what's marked as

Not a good copy.

It's got splotches on

But this Section 1.015 says "residence" there?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And is that one of the things that you looked up in

10

the election code before you made your decision?

11

A.

Yes.

12

Q.

Okay.

13

A.

Yes, it was.

14

MR. WRIGHT:

Your Honor, I'm tendering a copy of

15

Defendant's Exhibit 4 to counsel for their review.

16

it be admitted in evidence in this case.

17

MR. GLICKLER:

18

information on Defendant's Exhibit Number 4.


THE COURT:

20

MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, there is extraneous

19

21
22
23

I ask that

Let me see.
I actually have a clean copy that

I would be happy to substitute.


THE COURT:

This is not acceptable.

Do you want

to re-mark that?

24

MR. WRIGHT:

25

Okay.

Can I do that?

Thank you.

May I approach the witness again, Your

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Honor.

Q.

it?

2010?

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Okay.

That's a better copy, isn't

Basically says the same thing that you had read back in

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

MR. WRIGHT:

And if I can approach the Elmo?

THE COURT:

For the record, though, it hadn't

been admitted yet.

10

MR. GLICKLER:

11

THE COURT:

12

No objection.

You have tendered it.

No objection.

Defendant's Exhibit 4 is admitted.

13

(Defense Exhibit 4 admitted.)

14

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Can you see that?

15

A.

Yes.

16

Q.

Is it too blurry?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

Okay.

Now, the first section where it reads,

19

"Residence means domicile, that is, one's home and fixed place

20

of habitation to which one intends to return after any

21

temporary absence."

22

sound like that in this case back in 2010, that it's your mom

23

and dad's home?

Okay.

24

A.

It could, yes.

25

Q.

All right.

Now, at first blush, doesn't that

So what was it about the cases that you

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read that lead you to believe that it doesn't have to mean

that?

A.

Well, it means that because that's the law, but the

question is what is temporary.

So when you look at the

Secretary of State opinion, a college student living away from

home for two years can come back and vote in the election.

obviously that two years is defined as temporary.

that's the law, but the question is what do you mean by

temporary.

So, yes.

were allowing college students to be away from their home,

11

their residence where they were registered to vote for two

12

years, come back and vote.

13

to be considered temporary.

15

Q.

And in order to be legal, that has

So Paragraph B, it says, "Residence shall be

determined in accordance with common-law rules."

16
17

So

And based on the Secretary of State's opinion, they

10

14

So

THE REPORTER:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I can't hear you.

Paragraph B says, "Residence shall

18

be determined in accordance with the common-law rules as

19

enunciated by the courts of this state, except as otherwise

20

provided by this code."

Is that clear on the screen up there?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

Okay.

23

A.

Well, that's kind of a legal question; but my

So what did you think that meant?

24

interpretation would be that -- so residence is determined by

25

the common law, what the common law dictates as residence with

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the exception of case law and whatever else we talked about in

the preceding or in the subsequent law in the code here.

Q.

Okay.

So did you take that in your mind to mean

that -- that meant you can look at the case law to decide how

to pick your residence?

A.

Yes.

Q.

All right.

And so -- now, and all this you read

within a week, I guess, of talking to Adrian?

A.

Two weeks.

10

Q.

Two weeks.

Okay.

11

And did you consult with anybody else about what

12

you could do about changing your residence for voting purposes?

13

A.

My father.

14

Q.

And did you-all do any research in addition to what

15

you have testified to here today?

16

A.

No.

17

Q.

And did you talk to any attorneys about it before you

18

voted?

19

A.

No.

20

Q.

So you had basically decided that based on the law

21

that you had been given by Adrian -- and did he say where he

22

got that from?

23

A.

No.

24

Q.

But you had concluded it was all right because it

25

would be your choice to say my residence for voting purposes is

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the Residence Inn?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And all you had to do was to be there at some point

in time before the election, right, a physical bodily presence?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

A.

I relied on it a lot, yeah.

Q.

Your intention and bodily presence there let you do

10

A.

Correct.

11

Q.

Now, after the election, issues came up.

12

Was that a phrase that you relied upon?

that?

There was a

challenge, correct?

13

A.

Correct.

14

Q.

Did your opinion of that -- being able to change your

15

residence for voting purposes and go vote, did your opinion of

16

that change?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

Okay.

19

the election?

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

And who were they?

22

A.

Eric Yollick.

23

Q.

How did you come to talk to Eric Yollick?

24

A.

Through Mr. Jenkins.

25

Q.

Jim Jenkins?

Was there any lawyers that you talked to after

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A.

Correct.

Q.

He was one of those that stayed at the hotel and

voted and all that?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And when you-all were staying overnight before the

election and went and voted, you went all at the same time,

correct?

A.

We did.

Q.

And you weren't trying to hide anything, correct?

10

A.

No.

11

Q.

Did you believe what you were doing was perfectly

12

legal?

13

A.

I did, yes.

14

Q.

Okay.

15

Now, after the election and there's a

challenge, then you talked to Eric Yollick?

16

A.

Correct.

17

Q.

All right.

18

Why did you go and start staying again at

the Residence Inn?

19

A.

That was his strong advice.

20

Q.

I'm sorry?

21

A.

That was his strong advice.

22

Q.

Strong advice.

23
24
25

Do you remember what words he used to tell you


do that?
A.

No, not a quote, but basically a paraphrase.

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Somebody needs to go back there now.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Correct.

Q.

And so did -- and others went back, right?

A.

I don't know.

Q.

And then stayed for quite sometime.

10
11
12
13

I know myself and my brother did and

Mr. Curry.

So then you just did what the lawyer told you?

Now, did Mr. Yollick tell you why you should do


that?
A.

Well, his reasoning was it would present a better

face to the situation.


Q.

All right.

And did you think that was necessary

under the law as you understood it when you voted?

14

A.

No.

15

Q.

And so this idea of let's go back to the hotel and

16

let's take photographs, let's hold up the newspaper, show our

17

voter card, all that stuff, eating meals, playing basketball,

18

that was all Mr. Yollick's idea?

19

A.

Some of the photographs were taken prior to the

20

election.

21

election, he wanted that evidence.

22
23

Q.

I have no idea which ones were which.

Okay.

But after the

So those things were done because the attorney

advised you that you needed to go do that?

24

A.

Yes.

25

Q.

So basically you followed the legal advice that you

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read when you changed your voter registration, correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

And then when you had an attorney after the election

tell you go stay at the hotel, you followed his legal advice.

Is that correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Did you talk to Adrian Heath after the election about

going back to stay at the hotel and that being necessary?

A.

It came up in the meeting.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

A.

He was against it.

12

not cheap.

13

cost.

14

Q.

And what did Adrian say?


He thought it was unnecessary and

So he was opposed to it for necessary reasons and

Okay.

Were there any other attorneys or legal

15

authorities that you heard from or you relied on after the

16

election to go and stay at the hotel?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

Okay.

About how much time before you decided to

19

switch your voter registration, about how many hours did you

20

spend researching or studying this issue before you decided it

21

was legal to do it?

22
23
24
25

A.

Not much.

Maybe -- including conversations with

people, maybe three hours.


Q.

Okay.

So before you cast that vote, did you have any

idea or inkling that you might be committing a third degree

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felony?

A.

Absolutely not.

Q.

Did you get a letter from First Assistant District

Attorney Phil Grant?

A.

No.

Q.

Were you aware of any other people who were

registered voters who were living in a hotel or showing a hotel

as their residence?

A.

Adrian brought one to my attention.

10

Q.

And where were they staying?

11

A.

At the Residence Inn.

12

Q.

And is that one reason --

13

A.

Can you repeat your first question?

14

Q.

Well, were there other people that were using a hotel

15

as their residence for voting purposes?

16

A.

Okay.

There was one person living at the Residence

17

Inn.

I don't know if he was registered to vote or not, but he

18

was claiming the Residence Inn as where he lived.

19

Q.

Did you know about the man?

20

A.

No.

21

Q.

Did you meet him while you were there?

22

A.

No.

23

Q.

Okay.

Did Adrian tell you -- before you decided to

24

change your registration, did he tell you how many registered

25

voters that he had found that existed in the RUD district?

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MR. GLICKLER:

I'm going to object to that

because he has no personal knowledge.

Defendant.

evidence to come through this witness.

It's self-serving and there is no basis for that

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

7
8
9

It's hearsay from the

Sustained.
I pass the witness, Your Honor.

REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. GLICKLER:
Q.

Mr. Allison, the Secretary of State opinion and the

10

attorney general opinion both discussed the same set of facts,

11

correct?

12

A.

Correct.

13

Q.

It was the students at Prairie View A & M who were

14

being prohibited from registering to vote in Waller County,

15

correct?

16

A.

Yes.

17

Q.

And these are the two opinions that Mr. Heath

18

referred you to that you read?

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

And you think reading these opinions and registering

21

to vote from a hotel where you stayed one night, that's a

22

reasonable interpretation of what these opinions say?

23

reasonable?

24

A.

That was the conclusion I came to.

25

Q.

Okay.

That's

Do agree -- do you think today, as you sit

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there, that that's a reasonable conclusion, having reexamined

this for more than three hours now?

A.

It's part of the problem -- well, you'll see in that

Secretary of State opinion says an order is not clearly

identified in the State of Texas.

6
7

Q.

That's one sentence in the seven-page opinion,

correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

All right.

10
11

We're going examine that.

MR. GLICKLER:

Mr. Wright, I think, did you

return the defense exhibits up here.

12

MR. WRIGHT:

13

MR. GLICKLER:

I don't want to get on -I understand.

14

4.

15

the actual exhibits with you and my copies, take up there with

16

me.

17
18

Is this thing still blinking on you.

Where did you put

Q.

(BY MR. GLICKLER)

I'm going to leave

Now, Mr. Allison, you were not

indicted, correct?

19

A.

Correct.

20

Q.

You did not testify at Grand Jury?

21

A.

I did not.

22

Q.

You did not have an agreement, correct?

23

A.

Not to my knowledge, no.

24

Q.

Okay.

25

A.

Correct.

And your brother is the same circumstances?

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Q.

He wasn't indicted or charged?

A.

He was not.

Q.

Neither one of you own property or are homeowners,

correct?

A.

We are not.

Q.

Okay.

Showing you State's Exhibit 18, application

for the residential homestead exemption for the year 2010.

you see the name of Sybil Doyle on this document?

Do

A.

I do.

10

Q.

She was one of the folks who voted from the Residence

11

Inn, correct?

12

A.

Correct.

13

Q.

Did you ever see her at the Residence Inn?

14

A.

I saw her the morning we voted.

15

Q.

Okay.

16

A.

I don't know.

17

Q.

Okay.

18

Did she stay the night?

And this is not the address for the Residence

Inn on her homestead exemption, correct?

19

A.

It is not.

20

Q.

Pete Goeddertz, is he one of the voters?

21

A.

He was.

22

Q.

Is that the address for the Residence Inn?

23

A.

No.

24

Q.

Okay.

25

158 --

So he had a homestead exemption at a property

different from the Residence Inn, correct?

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A.

He does.

Q.

Jim Jenkins, is he one of the voters?

A.

He was.

Q.

Registered to vote at the Residence Inn?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Had a homestead exemption on Pastoral Pond?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Roberta Cook, is she related to Ms. Doyle?

A.

I believe so.

10

Q.

How?

11

A.

I believe she's their daughter.

12

Q.

Okay.

13

And she has a homestead exemption at an

address other than the Residence Inn?

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

Is she one of the voters?

16

A.

She was.

17

Q.

Did you also see her only on the morning of the vote?

18

A.

I did.

19

Q.

Mr. McDuffee, is he one of the registered voters who

20

used the Residence Inn address?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

Did he have a homestead at another address?

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

He owned a home, correct?

25

A.

Correct.

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Q.

Mr. Curry, is he one of the voters?

A.

He was.

Q.

And he had a home in Stonecrest?

A.

He did.

Q.

And the Defendant, Mr. Heath, was he one of the

voters?

A.

He was.

Q.

He had a homestead exemption at Stony Brook -- Stony

Bridge?

10

A.

Correct.

11

Q.

All right.

12

And Mr. Berntsen and Mr. Allison, your

father had one as well, correct?

13

A.

He does.

14

Q.

Okay.

So, you and your brother, your specific

15

circumstances were different than the other eight voters in

16

that regard as to having a homestead exemption at all, correct?

17

A.

They are.

18

Q.

Okay.

Now, we're going to look at the AG opinion and

19

the Secretary of State opinion in a minute.

You agree it

20

references the situation involving the college students at

21

Prairie View A & M?

22

A.

Correct.

23

Q.

How many of the ten of you who voted from the

24

Residence Inn were college students at a four-year,

25

live-on-campus university in May of 2010?

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A.

None of us.

Q.

How about in April of 2010?

A.

None of us.

Q.

How about in March of 2010?

A.

None.

Q.

Okay.

Isn't it true that these opinions using case

law said that college students were being held to a tougher

standard because they were presumed to live with their parents

until they graduated college, even though you could have

10

someone who lives in Beaumont going to college at Texas Tech

11

University, a thousand miles away?

12

having to vote, based on the presumption of the law, and this

13

allowed college students to vote based on their specific

14

circumstances.

Is that correct?

15

A.

Correct.

16

Q.

Okay.

17

okay.

And Defense Exhibit 4, the law on residence --

I'm going to come back to it.

18
19

They were being forced to

But the fact of the matter is both of these


opinions have that law quoted in them, don't they?

20

A.

They do.

21

Q.

Okay.

Now, in determining where someone's residence

22

under the election code, even the conclusion of the Secretary

23

of State is that there is a presumption, correct?

24

A.

Yes.

25

Q.

"A person who has reached the age of majority is

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presumed able to make a factual statement about his or her

voting residence.

be in the best position to make such factual statements about

the residence of the student."

Moreover, the college student is presumed to

Do you see that?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Presumptions can be rebutted, can they not?

A.

I --

Q.

Have you ever heard the phrase "a rebuttable

presumption"?

10

A.

Actually, yes, I have.

11

Q.

Okay.

Just recently.

So there might be a circumstance where on the

12

surface something appears one way and that would be a

13

presumption; but when you look at the facts behind it, you can

14

rebut the presumption and say actually that's not the

15

circumstance.

16

THE COURT:

17

MR. GLICKLER:

18

Q.

(BY MR. GLICKLER)

Is that a question?
I'm setting up my next one.
So let's look at the

19

circumstances.

The Secretary of State's opinion, eight pages,

20

directed to the governor, specifically the opinion is

21

concerning how Section 1.015, the definition of residence, how

22

1.015 of the Texas election code applies to college students

23

currently attending Prairie View A & M University, right?

24

A.

Correct.

25

Q.

Okay.

And as we flip through this opinion, the

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question, what is the proper interpretation and application of

the code in the context of voter registration by and residency,

residency in quotes, of college students.

being asked here, is it not?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Okay.

That's the question

Then the first thing we see in the Secretary

of State's opinion is before we even get to the definition of

residence, you have to be eligible to vote, which is part of

the element of the crime that we're dealing with in this

10

courtroom this week, correct?

11

A.

Correct.

12

Q.

And to be eligible, you have to be qualified.

So the

13

Secretary of State lays out the law.

To be eligible, you have

14

to be qualified, you have to be a resident of the territory,

15

and satisfy other requirements.

16

citizen, not mentally incompetent.

17

a juror for the most part, right?

Qualified voter is 18, a


Kind of sort of like being

18

A.

Correct.

19

Q.

Not convicted of a felony.

And just to emphasize,

20

this statute shows you that you are a qualified voter if you

21

have been convicted, but you've been fully discharged of a

22

prison sentence or you've been pardoned and you're out from

23

under the burden of the felony conviction, you're still a

24

qualified voter under the law, correct?

25

A.

Correct.

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1
2

Q.

Okay.

And then this opinion has a definition of

residence, same as Defense Exhibit Number 4, correct?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Paragraphs A, B, C, D, and E.

And that opinion --

and this is the Secretary -- let me ask you this question.

said you read the Secretary of State opinion and the attorney

general's opinion.

justice are something that, you know, symbol of being here.

Which one would you say you place more reliance on than the

10
11
12

You

We are in the courtroom and the scales of

other?
A.

Based on -- well, I would say the Secretary of State

opinion.

13

Q.

Okay.

14

A.

Because he is the interpreter of the election code by

15
16

Based on what?

statute in Texas.
Q.

Do you know under the statute what the Secretary of

17

State's office does with referrals about complaints about

18

proper -- possible illegal conducts in elections?

19

A.

Refer them to the AG.

20

Q.

Okay.

Additionally, the AG opinion couches out -- a

21

lot of the language in the AG opinion is couched in terms of

22

what voter registrars are allowed to do with voter registration

23

applications, right?

24

A.

Correct.

25

Q.

And also with whether or not their statements on the

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voter registration applications are true or false, correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

It emphasizes more not residents.

4
5

And so would that

be why you rely more on the Secretary of State's opinion?


A.

Well, insomuch -- I mean, the Secretary of State is

taxed by law with interpreting the election code.

that would be my primary reason.

8
9

Q.

Okay.

So I think

Nonetheless, if we look at the definition of

residence, quote it in the opinion verbatim, what does domicile

10

mean to you?

11

A.

It's where you live.

12

Q.

Okay.

And, in fact, on the voter registration

13

application where it says "residence" in the printed form, it

14

says describe where, what?

We read it earlier?

15

A.

Where it -- describe where you live.

16

Q.

Where you live.

17

Okay.

One's home.

Where is your home today?

18

A.

14993 Boyd Lane.

19

Q.

Where was your home in April of 2010?

20

A.

14993 Boyd Lane.

21

Q.

And where was your home in July of 2010?

22

A.

14993 Boyd Lane.

23

Q.

How long has that been -- when did you first make

24
25

that your home?


A.

November of 2002.

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Q.

Okay.

So 2002.

This is 2013.

We're on year 11.

That's 132 months.

And for all but approximately two, there's

no question that your home was Boyd Lane, correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

All right.

Between 1 and 132, does the Number 2

sound much less significant to you out of 132?

A.

Yes.

Q.

That's a tiny percentage, isn't it?

A.

Yes.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

A.

That's your house.

12

Q.

Okay.

What does habitation mean to you?

And Boyd Lane, that is where you returned at

13

the end in the summer of 2010.

You returned there.

14

there before and you returned there.

You were

Is that correct?

15

A.

Correct.

16

Q.

Paragraph B is really legalese.

"Residence shall be

17

determined in accordance with common-law rules as enunciated by

18

the courts of this state, except as otherwise provided by the

19

code."

20

to determine how to comply?

So do you understand that to mean you look to the code

21

A.

22

in this code.

23

Q.

24
25

It's determined by common law except where case law

All right.

So the code is first.

The answer is not

in the code, then you go to common law, right?


A.

If the code contradicts common law, then the code

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is --

2
3

Q.

Then the code reigns.

I feel like I'm in the Pirates

of the Caribbean.

C, "A person does not lose a person's residence

by leaving a person's home to go to another place for temporary

purposes only."

months out of 132 is a temporary time period?

Okay.

In general, would you agree that two

A.

Yes.

Q.

"A person does not acquire a residence in a place to

10

which the person has come for temporary purposes only and

11

without the intention of making that place the person's home,"

12

correct?

13

A.

Correct.

14

Q.

And you testified earlier, but I want to emphasize,

15

after the election, what was the Defendant's position about

16

returning to the hotel?

17

A.

That it was not necessary.

18

Q.

Okay.

Paragraph E refers to inmates.

19

past that.

20

facts and circumstances yet.

21

law.

22

says what?

23

paragraph -- on Page 4 regarding Paragraph A?

24
25

Now, this is Page 3.

So we'll go

We haven't even discussed the

Now we will talk about some case

And regarding applicable federal cases, the last sentence

A.

I have highlighted it.

What's the last sentence in

"It is the opinion of this office that the decisions

in Whatley and Texas are binding, definitive precedents in this

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state with respect to issues concerning the rights of students

to register to vote."

Q.

The rights of who?

A.

Students.

Q.

Okay.

Then we discuss applicable state cases.

paragraph says what?

screen?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Can you read that sentence, please?

10

A.

"College students, and other traveling Texans,

First

You see where I'm pointing to on the

11

including those in the United States military, have, on a

12

number of occasions, expressed concerns to personnel in my

13

office about their proper residency for voting purposes due to

14

the fact that their lives are," quote, "split," end quote,

15

"among one or more physical locations."

16

Q.

Were you a college student in May of 2010?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

Was Adrian Heath?

19

A.

No.

20

Q.

Were you a traveling Texan in May of 2010?

21

A.

No.

22

Q.

Was Adrian Heath?

23

A.

Not to my knowledge.

24

Q.

You have known him seven years.

25

He's always been

here in Montgomery County, hasn't he, except when he travels?

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A.

Yes.

Q.

Does he have an RV?

A.

I don't know.

Q.

Do you?

A.

No.

Q.

Is he in the United States military?

A.

No.

Q.

Are you?

A.

No.

10

Q.

Is your life -- in May of 2010, was your life split

11

among one or more physical locations?

12

A.

In May?

13

Q.

Was your life -- yeah, was your life split among one

14

or more physical locations?

15

A.

Yeah.

I was at the Residence Inn.

16

Q.

Okay.

In April of 2010, was your life split among --

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

In July of 2010, was your life split among one or

19

more physical locations?

20

A.

No.

21

Q.

Does your dad own a second property somewhere, a

22

vacation home, a lake home, or anything --

23

A.

He does not.

24

Q.

Does Adrian Heath?

25

A.

I don't know.

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1
2

Q.

Okay.

Then when we turn to Page 5 of the Secretary

of State's opinion --

THE COURT:

MR. GLICKLER:

I have some.

THE COURT:

Okay.
for about ten minutes.

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10

We can take a break, Your Honor.

I'm on Page 5.

Do you have much more?

All right.

Let's take a break.

Ladies and gentlemen, we'll take a break


Thank you very much.

(At this time the jury is excused to the jury


room.)

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(Brief recess.)

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(At this time the jury returns to the

13

courtroom.)

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THE COURT:

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MR. GLICKLER:

16

THE COURT:

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Q.

Please be seated.
May I continue.

You may.

(BY MR. GLICKLER)

Mr. Allison, on Page 5 of the

18

Secretary of State's opinion, it goes on to quote, it says that

19

that meaning must be given to it, indicating residence, depends

20

upon the circumstances surrounding the person.

21

correct?

22

A.

Correct.

23

Q.

Okay.

24
25

And again, this opinion is discussing the

context of students, correct?


A.

Is that

Yes.

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Q.

And if we flip to the AG opinion, Defendants

Exhibit 3, the AG opinion, for a moment, on Page 4, the same

quote, depends upon the circumstances surrounding the person

involved, correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Okay.

And if I just flip through the AG opinion,

just quickly Page 1, talking about students, Prairie View A & M

University.

question.

Page 4 talks about students.

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students.

Do you see this?

Page 2 is the law.

11

A.

Yes.

12

Q.

All right.

13

Page 3 is the law and then a


Page 5 talks about

Page 6 talks about students from Prairie

View A & M, Waller County; is that correct?

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

Page 7 goes first into the specific incidence

16

involving Waller County, correct?

17

A.

Uh-huh.

18

Q.

And then the summary, the first two paragraphs of the

19

summary talk about the law and the election code and then

20

residence.

21

he talks about students.

22

about the administrative procedures, correct?

23

you and I discussed earlier why this was less pertinent to you,

24

correct?

25

A.

And he talks in the third paragraph of the summary,


In the fourth paragraph, he talks

Correct.

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Q.

And then it's signed.

So getting back to the reasonableness of this

interpretation, this opinion, does make it clear that the

voter's intention under Texas courts must be reviewed to make a

final determination of residence, right?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Does that -- can you read that whole sentence

8
9

starting with the majority, please?


A.

"The majority of Texas courts have consistently ruled

10

that residency is a combination of intention and fact, and that

11

the voter's intention must be reviewed to make a final

12

determination of residence."

13
14

Q.

So this opinion tells you that a person's residence

does get determined in courts at times, does it not?

15

A.

Correct.

16

Q.

Does it -- now, does it say that the voter's

17

intention is the only issue that matters or is it that it is

18

one of several issues?

Or really two here, right?

19

A.

Intention and fact.

20

Q.

Intention and fact, correct?

21

A.

Correct.

22

Q.

So someone can say that their intention is A and then

23

if all the facts show that it was something else, that could

24

rebut a presumption, right, based on intent?

25

A.

It could.

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Q.

Okay.

Now, this opinion talks mostly about students,

but says -- and references soldiers.

Texans.

A.

Yes.

Q.

What is a snowbird in your mind?

A.

Somebody that comes to Texas in the winter months to

7
8
9

It also says winter

Have you ever heard the phrase "snowbird"?

get away from the snow wherever they currently live.


Q.

Proving the theory that not everybody born in the

north likes snow and cold, right?

10

A.

Right.

11

Q.

Okay.

And the other thing is someone that you

12

considered -- if you considered someone to be a snowbird, a

13

winter Texan, would you agree that that is a person whose life

14

is split between at least two places?

15

A.

Yes.

16

Q.

Okay.

And then at the end of the Secretary of

17

State's opinion or towards the end, now they discuss the

18

application to student voters in Texas, right?

19

A.

Correct.

20

Q.

And the application to students is discussed in

21

Page 6 and Page 7; is that correct?

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

And it concludes -- can you read the conclusion of

24
25

that section of the opinion?


A.

"In sum, when a student registers to vote and

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describes his or her permanent residence in Texas for voting

purposes, the presumption is in favor of the voter's factual

statement on the face of the application."

Q.

Right.

"The presumption is in favor of the voter's

factual statement," but this is talking about students,

correct?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Okay.

And is it -- in your understanding regarding

duration, is it your understanding that there's no specific

10

duration required for someone to live under the definition of

11

residence, that it just uses the word "temporary"?

12

you understand it?

Is that how

13

A.

What reference are you using the word "temporary"?

14

Q.

Well, as it's defined -- as it's part of the

15

definition of residence in the election code.

16

period, but it says you don't get a residence -- you don't

17

require a residence in a place you went to for a temporary

18

purpose?

19

A.

Correct.

20

Q.

Okay.

There is no time

This is based on a Supreme Court decision

21

striking down a period of time required to live before you

22

could vote, correct?

23

A.

Correct.

24

Q.

So I'll ask you again, as you sit there today, you

25

think it's reasonable for none of you ten who were -- none of

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you were college students.

None of you were soldiers.

None of

you were snowbirds.

Do you think it's reasonable to rely on that Secretary of State

opinion to stay in a hotel one night and be eligible to vote

with that hotel as your residence?

None of you were traveling enthusiasts.

A.

I did.

Q.

All right.

A.

No.

Q.

And what was the real purpose that you and the others

Do you believe that now?

10

chose to reside at that hotel on that day?

11

wanted to do?

12

A.

To vote in the election for the RUD board members.

13

MR. GLICKLER:

14

MR. WRIGHT:

15

THE COURT:

16
17
18

Pass the witness, Your Honor.


One thing in follow-up.

Yes, sir.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

Is that the Secretary of State opinion?

19
20

What was it you

You keep being asked over and over about this is


for students, this is for students only, right?

21

A.

Correct.

22

Q.

Okay.

And I think you had indicated to me in the

23

last -- in the conclusion paragraph, something about whether or

24

not this law that they were talking about students applied to

25

everybody equally?

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A.

That is my understanding of that.

Q.

So when you decided to change your registration, you

were relying on that -- I think it's about the last sentence in

the conclusion?

A.

It's a paragraph.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Yeah.

Q.

Okay.

A.

It's starts out that way and it ends that way.

10

Q.

All right.

11
12

The entire paragraph?

And so what words were you relying on, if

you could read them for the jury?


A.

"No more or less can be required of college students

13

during the voter registration process than any other Texas

14

voter."

15

Q.

16
17
18
19
20

Okay.

And so you took that to mean equal treatment

of all voters?
A.

That college students, snowbirds, and military are

not a special class of voters.


Q.

All right.

So that you could choose your residence

or Adrian could; is that correct?

21

A.

As long as you met the qualifications.

22

Q.

Which were the place and time, intention and your

23

location set your residence?

24

A.

With the intent to return.

25

Q.

Okay.

Then there's a phrase you were asked about --

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that says that the voter's intent must be reviewed?

A.

Correct.

Q.

Do you remember reading that phrase or that sentence

and understanding it before you changed your registration?

A.

I do not remember that sentence specifically.

Q.

And did you understand that in determining your

residence, it didn't matter whether you had a homestead or

where your homestead was or property was?

A.

That wasn't an issue for me because I didn't have

10

one.

11

not have a homestead exemption, so I did not have to weigh that

12

issue either way.

13

So I did not.

Q.

That was not an issue for me because I did

Well, I think -- did you gather from your research

14

that under the definition of residence, whether it's right or

15

wrong now looking back, but did you think from that, that your

16

residence did not have to be your homestead?

17
18

A.

It actually does, but you have -- you have time to

change it.

19

Q.

Okay.

20

A.

So you cannot -- if you have a homestead, you have to

21

live there.

That's the law.

But you cannot -- but you have up

22

until the beginning of the next calendar year to change it.

23

if you move by January 1st of the next following year, you have

24

to remove the homestead exemption or change it to wherever

25

you're currently living if you own the property.

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Q.

Okay.

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3

MR. WRIGHT:
Your Honor.

I pass the witness.

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5
6
7
8

That's all the questions I have,

FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION


BY MR. GLICKLER:
Q.

Do you know if Adrian Heath ever changed his

homestead exemption after May of 2010?


A.

Not to my knowledge.
MR. GLICKLER:

No further questions, Your Honor.

10

THE COURT:

Anything else?

11

MR. WRIGHT:

12

THE COURT:

13

MR. GLICKLER:

14

THE COURT:

15

Your next witness, please.

16

MR. WHITE:

State rests.

17

THE COURT:

Okay.

18

What says the Defense?

19

MR. WRIGHT:

No.
May this witness be excused?
Yes, Your Honor.

You are excused, sir.

State rests.

Your Honor, at this time I'd like

20

to go ahead and exercise my right to give a brief opening

21

statement.

22

I'll keep it brief, if I may.


THE COURT:

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24
25

Sure.

OPENING STATEMENT
MR. WRIGHT:
thank you very much.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,

I know you're paying close attention.

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Every time I look over, I know you're listening.

sleeping.

Nobody is

That's very good.

What you've heard so far is what happened, and

it's pretty clear.

voted in this election and registered at this Residence Inn.

You've heard why it happened.

right or wrong, they felt like what's going on with this RUD,

there is corruption.

is taxation without representation.

10

for years and years.

11

it.

We have all the records.

12

Okay.

These ten people

Because they felt like --

There is abatements being given.

There

They haven't had elections

Lots of different reasons on why they did

Now the question is how, how does it happen that

13

these people that are intelligent people, home-schooled and

14

educated, how can they reach to conclusion that you can change

15

your voter registration from where you're living to a hotel.

16

Okay?

17

the Secretary of State's office who my client talked with.

18

Okay?

19

the basis of the conversations that they had with Mr. Heath and

20

what information they gave him that then caused Adrian to go

21

and take this information to him and to all the others who

22

aren't here coming to testify, but a couple of the others might

23

or might not.

24

these other witnesses, Adrian was led to believe that, yes, you

25

could use a hotel as your residence.

And so in our case, we're going to have attorneys from

They're going to explain to you what conversations and

So the point is, you're going to hear how from

Okay?

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a reasonable conclusion to make and that nobody would have done

anything like this if they thought it was -- they were

committing a felony.

forward to working with you.

I thank you for your attention and look

THE COURT:

Call your first witness, please.

MR. WRIGHT:

I'd like to call Kandy Heath.

THE COURT:

(Witness is sworn.)

THE COURT:

10

Kandace?

Please lower your hand.

seat.

11

MR. WRIGHT:

12

THE COURT:

13
14

17

May I proceed, Your Honor?


Yes.

KANDY HEATH,
having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:

15
16

Have a

EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

You are Kandy -- I'm sorry I called you Kandace on

18

the record -- Kandy Heath and you're the wife of Adrian Heath.

19

Is that correct?

20

A.

Yes, sir.

21

Q.

Can you -- just briefly sort of give us a little

22

background how you-all met, where you've lived over the years,

23

things like that, when you-all got married?

24
25

A.

I'm a California girl and Adrian came over from

Australia on vacation.

He was staying with my roommate's

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parents.

That's how I met him.

Q.

When was that?

A.

About 30 years ago.

Q.

Okay.

So you-all were in California when you got

married?

A.

Yes.

Q.

All right.

A.

Be 30 years ago this month.

Q.

All right.

10
11
12

So how long have you-all been married?

And so where did you live then since

getting married in California?


A.
Beach.

We lived in Australia for a while, also lived in Long


The majority of our marriage has been in Texas.

13

Q.

And have you been -- where in Texas?

14

A.

The Woodlands.

15

Q.

Okay.

16
17
18

So when did you-all move to The Woodlands,

Texas?
A.

When our son was 1 year old.

He was born in 1989.

We moved here on his first birthday.

19

Q.

In 1990?

20

A.

Yes, sir.

21

Q.

Okay.

22

A.

I have two children.

23

Q.

What are their names?

24

A.

My son is named David and I have a daughter named

25

So how many children do you-all have?

Debra.

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Q.

Is she present in the courtroom?

A.

Yes, sir.

Q.

And so what is it that you do for a living?

A.

I'm a registered nurse.

Q.

How long have you been practicing that?

A.

I graduated from nursing school in 1979, and I have

been practicing ever since.

Q.

Okay.

And so do you work in Montgomery County?

A.

I work downtown Houston at the Med Center.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

Adrian done?

12

A.

And so where does -- what type of work has

Adrian's primary background is in sales.

At one time

13

we owned a gas station up in Huntsville, but his background has

14

been in sales.

15

was transferred out here with Exxon -- he accepted a job with

16

Exxon.

17

In fact, that's how we ended up in Texas.

He

And that's how we left California to come here.

Q.

All right.

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

Now, are there -- I guess there's certain political

18

21

And so have you always worked outside the

home?

activity that Adrian likes to engage in.

Is that correct?

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

How long has he been, in your mind, politically

24

active?

25

A.

Since I married Adrian.

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Q.

He's always been engaged in political activity?

A.

Yes.

Q.

All right.

So how much do you participate in the

activities?

A.

conservative.

my husband is conservative.

I think independent or

libertarian.

He is very active.

Q.

10

I vote in general elections.

I'm a Republican.

I'm

Adrian, we always have different opinions; but

I don't know.

Do you normally participate in all the political

activities that he does?

11

A.

No.

12

Q.

Has he run for office before?

13

A.

Yes.

14

Q.

When did he run for office?

15

A.

He ran for county judge.

16

Q.

When was that?

17

A.

Three years ago.

18

Q.

In 2010?

19

A.

Yes, sir.

20

Q.

Okay.

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

He was -- and what was his party ticket?

23

A.

I don't know.

24

Q.

Okay.

25

A.

He was independent.

Three years ago.

Which is about the time of this RUD election?

I'm sorry, I don't know.

Well --

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Q.

He was an independent?

A.

Yes.

In fact, that's the biggest controversy with

Catherine or the Republican chair.

THE COURT:

(Bench conference outside the presence of the

Let me talk to the lawyers, please.

jury.)

THE COURT:

I've been letting her go; but

Adrian, God bless him, shakes his head and it is so obvious.

I'm thinking about because it appears as though he might

10

inadvertently either be affirming the answers or it's nonverbal

11

communication to the jury that's not fair.

12

this on.

13

everybody.

I'm going to keep

Talk to him about it, so it doesn't embarrass

14

MR. WHITE:

He's been doing that all trial.

15

THE COURT:

He's doing it at the questions,

16
17
18
19

though.
MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, I would say that we

have let a lot of it go.


THE COURT:

Well, I'm just giving an

20

instruction, and he's going to talk to his clients right now.

21

Warn him because next time I'll have to do it verbally and

22

that's embarrassing and it does not help in front of the jury.

23

(End of bench conference.)

24

MR. WRIGHT:

25

THE COURT:

Judge, I think we're ready.


Go ahead.

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Q.

on trial for?

A.

Yes, sir.

Q.

And registering and voting in this RUD election in

A.

Yes, sir.

Q.

Did you participate in that election in any way?

A.

No.

Q.

Did you communicate with him or discuss with him the

10

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Now, you're aware of what Adrian is

2010?

implications or anything to do with engaging in this activity?

11

A.

Yes.

12

Q.

And what did you discuss with him about?

13

A.

I wanted to know why he felt it was necessary for him

14
15

to do this.
Q.

And what did he tell you?

16

MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor, hearsay.

17

THE COURT:

Sustained.

18

MR. WRIGHT:

Well, Your Honor, we're not

19

offering it for the truth of the matter.

20

show Adrian's state of mind when he decided to go do this.

21
22

MR. WHITE:

25

I think in this scenario, it is

being offered for the truth.

23
24

We're offering it to

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Sustained.
Well, did you do any research

yourself --

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A.

No.

Q.

-- on the question of registering to vote from a

hotel, things like that?

A.

No.

Q.

Did you participate at any meetings --

A.

No.

Q.

-- where this was discussed?

A.

No.

Q.

Were you aware that he and this other group of people

10

were doing this?

11

A.

Yes.

12

Q.

And did you talk to any attorneys about it yourself?

13

A.

No.

14

Q.

And so you didn't get involved or give your opinion,

15

yes, no, or whatever on this?

16

A.

To an attorney?

17

Q.

Yes.

18

A.

No.

19

MR. WRIGHT:

20

I pass the witness.

CROSS-EXAMINATION

21

BY MR. WHITE:

22

Q.

Ms. Heath, does your daughter, Debra, live with you?

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

Is that her Yorkie that we saw in some of the photos

25

that came earlier in the trial?

Does she have a Yorkie?

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1
2
3

A.

She has a Yorkie, but it's basically Adrian and I's

Q.

Okay.

dog.
How did you feel about the idea of Adrian

leaving you and your daughter to go live in a hotel with four

other men?

6
7
8
9

A.

I didn't understand why he was doing it.

that he was within the law, that he wanted -Q.

If I could stop you right there from saying what

Adrian said to you.

I'm just asking how you felt.

10

A.

I didn't understand it.

11

Q.

Okay.

12
13
14

He said

And how long was Adrian gone from your

residence?
A.

Usually, every Saturday and he did spend some nights

away from the home.

15

Q.

How many nights did he spend away?

16

A.

I don't know, but he was absent from the home.

17

Q.

But you would say less than five, right?

18

A.

I don't know.

19

Q.

Well, certainly you could say less than 20?

20

A.

I think so, yes.

21

Q.

Less than ten probably?

22

A.

I don't know, sir.

But he did spend -- he would

23

spend some nights, I couldn't tell you what nights.

He was

24

gone all day on Saturdays.

25

dropped him off on Saturdays and picked him up sometimes when

And, in fact, I had taken him and

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2
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he needed a ride.
Q.

And when he returned from those absences, where did

he come?

A.

I brought him back to our home.

Q.

Your home being yours and Adrian's home?

A.

Where I was living, yes, sir.

Q.

He was living there with you, too, wasn't he?

A.

Yes.

Q.

All his things were there?

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

All his books were there?

12

A.

Uh-huh.

13

Q.

His clothes were in the closet?

14

A.

Uh-huh.

15

Q.

None of his belongings ever moved out of the house,

16

did they?

17

A.

When Adrian was gone from the house.

18

Q.

So what he could fit into a swag bag?

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

Okay.

21
22
23
24
25

What has your husband done for employment the

past three years?


A.

He's worked for two oil companies.

He's been

unemployed.
Q.

What was he doing at the time of the May 8, 2010

election?

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A.

He was running for county judge.

Q.

How was he employed?

A.

At that time he was unemployed.

Q.

Has he had employment that has taken him on extended

travel trips throughout the country?

A.

Yes.

Q.

And has he had travel trips that have taken him --

well, let me just ask you this.

Residence Inn from your home?

How far is the Marriott

10

A.

10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes.

11

Q.

Okay.

12

A.

A little bit more than 5 miles, I think.

13
14
15

I don't know.

About 5 miles sound right?


I wouldn't

walk there from my house.


Q.

Does your husband have a problem with selective

hearing?

16

A.

In what way?

17

Q.

Yes.

18

A.

Sometimes.

When I'm talking to him?

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MR. WHITE:

20

MR. WRIGHT:

21

witness, Your Honor.

22

from the rule.

23

Pass the witness.


I have no further questions of this

I would ask that the witness be released

THE COURT:

You know, the rule was never

24

invoked. You-all talked about it, but no one ever invoked it,

25

really.

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MR. WRIGHT:

That's fine.

THE COURT:

Any objection?

MR. WHITE:

No objection.

THE COURT:

She may.

MR. WRIGHT:

Okay.

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

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courtroom.

me see if he's outside.

Next witness, please.


We don't intend to call him.

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THE COURT:

13

MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

15

22

May I proceed, Your Honor?


Yes, sir.

having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:


DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:

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21

You may lower -- thank you.

PHIL GRANT,

17

20

Let

Phil Grant.

(Witness is sworn.)

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The rule is not

invoked.

11

16

She can stay in the

Q.

Could you state your name and your occupation for the

A.

Sure.

jury?
My name is Phil Grant.

I'm the first

assistant district attorney here in Montgomery County, Texas.

23

Q.

How long have you been working in that position?

24

A.

Since January 1st of 2009.

25

Q.

And can you give us a little bit of your educational

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and work background?


A.

Sure.

I graduated from the Virginia Military

Institute in 1993 with a Bachelor's of Arts in economics and

business.

where I graduated in 1996 with a law degree.

for the Harris County District Attorney's Office approximately

a month or so after I graduated from law school.

for about eight and a half years.

was a specialist in child sexual abuse cases as well as public

I went to the University of Texas School of Law


I went to work

Worked there

During my time there was, I

10

integrity matters.

11

prosecutor in Williamson County, which is just north of Austin.

12

I was there for about four and a half years.

13

me -- Brett Ligon won the election down here and asked me to

14

come be his first assistant in 2009.

15

Q.

I left there to go be a chief felony

When Brett called

Can you explain to the jury the significance -- what

16

does it means when you're the first assistant district

17

attorney?

18

A.

Well, I kind of say I'm kind of like the chief

19

operating officer.

Brett is the elected official.

Mr. Ligon

20

is your CEO of the district attorney's office.

21

to take the policies that he implements and I guess make sure

22

they work within the office, assign personnel, handle the

23

budget.

24

attorney's office.

25

our public integrity division as well as handling the major

And it's my job

Mainly the business part of running the district


But I'm also responsible for supervising

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crimes like cold case murders and things like that.

Q.

Okay.

What is the public integrity division?

A.

Our public integrity division is designed to

investigate and prosecute crimes that involve government

operations or public officials.

6
7

Q.

or illegal voting?

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9

And does that include any allegations of voter fraud

A.

We do handle some of that.

Typically we refer that

out to the Secretary of State's office and the AG.

10

Q.

Okay.

So how does that get referred?

11

A.

We will basically -- if we receive a complaint

12

alleging some sort of election fraud or voter fraud, we do a

13

preliminary investigation, try to get everything together that

14

we can, and then we package it up and ship to the Secretary of

15

State's office and they typically will take it to the attorney

16

general's office if they feel that prosecution is warranted.

17
18

Q.

So why does it go to the Secretary of State's office

first?

19

A.

I have no idea, but that's just the procedure.

20

Q.

Okay.

Well, who is the -- or what state agency is

21

charged by statute with responsibility of interpreting the

22

election laws?

23

A.

I don't know that there is a statute that assigns

24

that responsibility to an agency.

25

one.

I would have to look for

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Q.

Okay.

If you have a question about interpreting the

election code, who do you call?

A.

I don't call anybody.

Q.

Are you allowed to call and ask for opinions about

A.

I guess I'm allowed.

Q.

Well, let me put it this way.

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9
10

I just look it up.

it?

Your office, not you,

your boss, Brett Ligon, I guess -A.

There are occasions where we can request in writing

attorney general opinions.

11

Q.

What about Secretary of State opinions?

12

A.

We have never requested one.

13

I couldn't tell you

what the process of that would be.

14

Q.

But it can be done?

15

A.

I suppose.

16

Q.

The Secretary of State writes opinions, correct?

17

A.

I've never read a Secretary of State written opinion.

Not sure.

18

Well, I take that back.

19

not sure what the process is, though.

20
21
22
23
24
25

Q.

I guess they do write opinions.

I'm

And your office, to your knowledge, has never

requested an opinion from the Secretary of State's office?


A.

We've never requested a Secretary of State opinion,

no, sir.
Q.

Okay.

So you don't know how the opinion gets to come

about then?

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A.

No sir.

Q.

Okay.

Well, I want to focus on this RUD election in

The Woodlands, took place May 8th, 2010, and ask you some

questions about your knowledge of that.

5
6

Did you discuss the upcoming May 8th election


back then with anybody?

A.

Yes.

Q.

What people did you discuss it with?

A.

My recollection is that --

10

Q.

Let me start at the beginning.

11

A.

Okay.

12

Q.

What brought it to your attention?

13

A.

We received a complaint from a law firm that was

14

representing The Woodlands Road Utility District, that several

15

individuals had registered to vote at a hotel within the road

16

utility district, in their opinion, in violation of the voter

17

registration laws.

18

Q.

19

information?

20

A.

21

Okay.

And so what did you do once you got that

We reviewed the information, did some preliminary

investigation.

22

Q.

What information did they send you?

23

A.

I can't remember what was in the initial packet.

24

sure there were copies of the voter registration forms.

25

Attached, I think, were some copies of appraisal district

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records showing that these individuals had homes outside the

road utility district.

You know, we took it and reviewed it.

Just some basic information like that.

Q.

Who is "we"?

A.

At the time, I had an attorney assigned to the public

integrity division by the name of Adrienne Frazier.

an investigator assigned to our division by the name of John

Stevenson and Chris Smith, our chief investigator.

worked together on it initially when it was brought to our

10

We kind of

attention.

11

Q.

That was some weeks before the election?

12

A.

Yes, sir.

13

I also had

I would assume it was in February, maybe

January or February of that year.

14

Q.

15

you do?

16

A.

So after you-all reviewed the information, what did

Well, I issued a letter to the individuals that had

17

registered to vote fraudulently and then we finished our

18

investigation and forwarded it to the Secretary of State's

19

office.

20

Q.

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22
23
24
25

Okay.

You say you issued a letter saying they were

voting fraudulently?
A.

That raised some concerns about their registration,

yes, sir.
Q.

Okay.

Did you confer with anybody else before you

sent that letter out?

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A.

I always keep my boss informed of what's going on at

all times, but I'm not sure who else I might have conferred

with before I sent that letter out.

4
5

Q.

By your boss, you mean the district attorney, Brett

Ligon?

A.

Yes, sir.

Q.

Okay.

A.

I'm positive we called the election department and

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9
10

it?

touched base with them.

11
12
13

And did you confer with Carol Gaultney about

MR. WRIGHT:

If I may approach the witness, Your

Honor.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I want to show you what's been

14

premarked as Defendant's Exhibit Number 12.

15

that document?

Do you recognize

16

A.

No, I do not.

17

Q.

Do you recall talking to Carol Gaultney or e-mailing

18

her on about Tuesday, March the 10th, with questions about

19

communications with Adrian Heath?

20

A.

Did I have communications with Carol Gaultney, yes.

21

But this is not an e-mail from her to me.

22

between her and Mr. Heath, it looks like.

23
24
25

Q.

Okay.

This is an e-mail

And did you discuss the subject matter of this

e-mail with Ms. Gaultney?


A.

She was involved in the investigation, yes, sir.

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mean, the registrations went to her, so we had to communicate

with her office on a regular basis.

3
4
5

Q.

And so then did you also talk to Adrian Heath during

that same time period?


A.

It's quite possible.

Adrian used to call me on a

pretty regular basis, so it's quite possible we had

conversations during that time.

Q.

Do you remember any face-to-face meetings with him?

A.

Not during that time I don't.

10

100 percent sure about that.

11
12

But I'm not -- not

MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

13

contains a medallion.

14

recognize what that is?

If I may approach the witness?


I want to show you a pouch that

It's D-37, that's Exhibit 37.

Do you

15

A.

I do.

16

Q.

What is that?

17

A.

That's one of our challenge coins.

18

Q.

Okay.

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

Or by Brett's office?

21

A.

Well, actually I keep them.

22

Q.

You keep these?

23

A.

Yes, sir.

24

Q.

And do you recall ever giving one of these to Adrian

25

And these are maintained by your office?

Heath?

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A.

I may have.

Q.

Okay.

A.

I don't recall that specifically, but it wouldn't

surprise me.

Q.

Do you recall having an in-person meeting with him

before the election of May 8th, 2010, and giving him this

medallion?

A.

it happened.

10
11
12

Q.

I don't know what that meeting would be, but I'm sure
If he's got a medallion, I gave it to him.

Okay.

Well, my question is:

happening before the election?


A.

I haven't had any personal meetings with Adrian Heath

13

since after the election.

14

before the election.

15
16
17

Do you recall that

Q.

So it would have had to have been

So he would have had to have gotten this medallion

from you before the May 8th, 2010 vote?


A.

18

Yes, sir.
MR. WRIGHT:

Your Honor, I tender Defendants 37

19

to counsel for their review.

20

that it be admitted in this case as evidence of his meeting

21

with Mr. Heath prior to the election.

22

I have a photocopy of it, but ask

MR. WHITE:

We'll object on the basis of

24

THE COURT:

Of what?

25

MR. WHITE:

Relevance.

23

relevance.

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THE COURT:

What does it do to show -- to prove

or disprove any of the issues in this case or the elements of

this offense of whether the Defendant voted in an election in

which he knew he was not eligible to vote.

MR. WRIGHT:

That's because it was discussed

with the legal authority, the district attorney, prior to the

election.

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

Yes, sir.
He said he couldn't remember when

10

he met with Adrian and this means he met with Adrian before the

11

election date.

12

THE COURT:

In all fairness, I think his

13

testimony at the last question was it would have to have been.

14

He hasn't met with him since the election, so any meetings

15

would have had to have been before.

16

purpose is of that.

17

not clear what it's supposed to represent.

18

don't even know what it is.

19

either what it's supposed to be or represent.

So I don't know what the

In fact, the record, in all fairness, is

20

MR. WRIGHT:

21

THE COURT:

What is it?

I don't think the jury is clear

Let me ask that question.


Is it an award or what?

22

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

What is Defendants Exhibit 37?

23

A.

Well, we typically hand those out to law enforcement

24

when they do an exceptional job investigating a serious crime.

25

We also give those out to folks that have been supportive of

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the district attorney's office on occasion.

what it was for.

Mr. Heath prior to the election.

4
5
6

Q.

I assume that's

We had a pretty good relationship with

So you kind of intend that to be a high five or

something?
A.

Yeah.

It's a token of our appreciation.

MR. WRIGHT:

MR. WHITE:

The relevance objection will still

THE COURT:

Would you be so kind, can you

That's what it is.

be there.

10
11

elaborate -- make foundation on the record of what it had to do

12

with this case.

13

MR. WRIGHT:

Well, the reason I'm bringing it up

14

is because his memory was unclear as to when he had met with

15

Adrian about this and I think that nailed it down that for sure

16

it was before the election date.

17
18

THE COURT:

fact that he and the Defendant had met.

19

MR. WRIGHT:

20

THE COURT:

21
22

So it's just representative of the

it's being introduced.

That's correct.
For that purpose -- for that purpose

Any objection?

MR. WHITE:

I still don't think it's relevant.

23

I think it's probably a bolstering attempt.

24

jury has heard it.

25

THE COURT:

Overruled.

That's okay.

The

Defendant's Exhibit --

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is it 37?

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

37.
Is admitted for the limited purposes

as testified to.

(Defense Exhibit 37 admitted.)

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

8
9

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

May I proceed, Your Honor?


Yes.
Then there was another communication

that you had not only with Mr. Heath, but I guess with all of

10

those who had registered to vote in that election.

11

correct?

12

A.

Yes.

13

Q.

Well, I say that.

Is that

Was it everybody, all 24

14

registered voters that were on the voter list or was it just

15

some of the voters that you sent a letter to?

16
17
18
19

A.

I believe I sent it to everybody who was a registered

voter, but it's been several years.


Q.

All right.

So some of those people had registered at

a hotel?

20

A.

Yes, sir.

21

Q.

Some of those people on the list had registered from

22

offices, correct?

23

A.

Not certain.

24

Q.

Okay.

25

MR. WRIGHT:

Let me approach the Court Reporter,

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Your Honor.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I want to show you what's been

admitted as Defendants Exhibit Number D-5 and ask you, is this

a list of voter -- registrar's list of the eligible voters in

that election that you were given?

A.

It appears so.

Q.

And I had -- trust me, I counted 24, I think,

individuals on that list.

addresses are office places?

10

A.

They could be.

And so are some of those are those

I'm not -- I live in Montgomery.

11

don't live in The Woodlands, so I don't know that area very

12

well.

13

Q.

So you sent letters to everybody that was on this

15

A.

That's my recollection.

16

Q.

Fair to everybody, right?

17

A.

Try to be, yes, sir.

18

Q.

So -- I want to show you what's been premarked as

14

19

list?

Defendant's Exhibit Number 26 and ask if you recognize that.

20
21
22
23

A.
out.

It appears to be a copy of the letter that I sent

Specifically this one to Mr. Heath.


Q.

Okay.

And this letter, was it the same word for word

to everybody on the voter list?

24

A.

Yes, sir.

25

Q.

The only thing that was changed was like the address

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2

block?
A.

We did a mail merge, so the only thing that changed

was the address block and the salutation.

call that?

Q.

Yes.

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

8
9
10

Is that what you

And the dear, dear so and so?

MR. WRIGHT:

I'm tendering Defendant's Exhibit

Number 26 to counsel for their review and ask that it be


admitted in this case.

11

MR. WHITE:

No objection.

12

THE COURT:

Admitted.

13

(Defense Exhibit 26 admitted.)

14

MR. WRIGHT:

15
16
17

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

If I may approach the Elmo?


Now, so why was it that you typed up

this letter and sent it to all the registered voters?


A.

Well, it appeared based on the factual -- I guess the

18

face of the information that we received that there were some

19

folks that had registered inappropriately.

20

that by sending this letter, we could dissuade those that

21

improperly registered to vote in that RUD utility district from

22

voting illegally.

23
24
25

Q.

Okay.

And it was our hope

And so in this letter, then, did you use the

words that you are about to commit voter fraud?


A.

No.

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Q.

Was this letter -- did you say this is a warning?

A.

No.

Q.

You must stop what you're doing?

A.

No.

Q.

In fact, this letter says that it's for informational

purposes only --

A.

Correct.

Q.

-- is that correct?

And it doesn't say -- it says if you have

10

concerns about the legitimacy of your current voter

11

registration -- isn't that what it says?

12

A.

Yes.

13

Q.

Why didn't you say I have concerns about the

14
15

legitimacy of your voter registration?


A.

Well, you really have to walk a tight line when

16

you're trying to make sure that elections are appropriate.

17

don't want to dissuade people that are legally registered to

18

vote from voting; but, you know, our hope was that those folks

19

that might be making a judgemental error at this point by

20

registering at that hotel would read these opinions and read

21

the law again and come to the right conclusion.

22
23
24
25

Q.

All right.

You

So you have cited the Secretary of

State's opinion, correct?


A.

Correct.
THE COURT:

You-all know where the opinions are?

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I think the State was referring to them on the Elmo last.

MR. GLICKLER:

THE WITNESS:

The ones I used were -Could it have been with the

witness, that the witness did?

MR. WRIGHT:

MR. GLICKLER:

In defense of us, I think we have

numerous copies.

8
9

Are these the ones?

THE COURT:
this court already?

You-all have lost my exhibits in

Be careful about those getting scattered

10

about.

11

get a chance to review those later if they wish.

12

lose them.

13

Q.

They are important documents and the jury is going to


Please don't

All right.
(BY MR. WRIGHT)

All right.

Defendant's Exhibit 1 is

14

a copy of the -- of what you referred to in your letter as

15

Secretary of State Election Law Opinion GSC-1.

16

correct?

Is that

17

A.

I believe so, yes, sir.

18

Q.

And Gregory Connor?

19

A.

Yes, sir.

20

Q.

What's the significance of a Secretary of State's

21

opinion on this subject?

22

A.

It's advisory as to the interpretation of the law.

23

Q.

Okay.

24
25

Is that something that the ordinary public

official can rely on in making decisions?


A.

Provides guidance, yes, sir.

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Q.

It's an administrative opinion, I guess, or

administrative decision that you can rely on in deciding should

I go right or should I go left basically, correct?

A.

It's an advisory opinion on how to interpret the law.

Q.

Well, why did the Secretary of State write these

6
7
8
9
10

advisory opinions?
A.

I don't know.

I have never worked with the Secretary

of State's office.
Q.

Well, let's look at Exhibit 3, the attorney general's

opinion?

11

A.

Yes.

12

Q.

Is this a similar type of document, advisory type of

13

opinion?

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

And is it something that public officials ask?

They

16

send a question and the Secretary of State, if it's to them, or

17

the attorney general, if it's to them, will write an advisory

18

opinion --

19

A.

Correct.

20

Q.

-- about some issue in law, correct?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

And so -- so that's something the public officials

23

get to rely on when they're making decisions, correct?

24

A.

Yes.

25

Q.

And it's also something that non-public officials,

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people like Adrian Heath or myself, that we can rely on, isn't

it?

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

THE COURT:

Sustained.

5
6

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

It's your witness.

Who can rely -- who gets to rely on

these written legal opinions?

A.

Well, obviously the officials who requested it and

then they're on the website for anybody to review if they need

to.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

A.

Because they're a public document.

12

Q.

Okay.

13

So why do they put them on a website?

And is that for -- so if anybody has the same

issue or question, it's already been answered?

14

A.

Sometimes it's already been answered, yes, sir.

15

Q.

Yes, sir.

16

So basically what you were sending to Adrian and

17

to all the other 23 voters in there was these legal opinions

18

with the intent that they will read and rely on those and reach

19

their conclusions?

20

A.

I was hopeful, yes, sir.

21

Q.

Okay.

22

You also, it looks like, put in the statute

for illegal voting; is that correct?

23

A.

Yes, sir.

24

Q.

And that statute says if a person votes in an

25

election which the person knows the person is not eligible to

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vote, correct?

A.

That's what it says, yes, sir.

Q.

Okay.

So when you sent that letter, did you -- did

you think that there were people who were knowingly voting in

an election which they were not entitled to vote in?

A.

Yes, sir, I did.

Q.

Who?

A.

Adrian Heath and the other people that were charged

with the offense.

10

Q.

Okay.

11

A.

I couldn't tell them that in the letter.

12

But you didn't tell them that in the letter?


I would

have loved to, but that's not my job.

13

Q.

Why can't you tell them that in the letter?

14

A.

It's not the district attorney's job to give legal

15

advice to private citizens.

16

Q.

Isn't it your job to stop crime?

17

A.

Yes.

18

Q.

And if you could stop it before it's committed, you

19

should say stop right there, don't rob that bank?

20

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

21

THE COURT:

Sustained.

22

He can question -- you've heard leading

23

questions and under the rules of evidence on cross-examination,

24

the attorneys are allowed to ask questions in the form of

25

leading.

But on direct, when it's your witness, it's

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prohibited.

That's why you may be confused about why it

changes.

witness is being interrogated.

But that's the way the rule is, depending upon whose

Okay.

Q.

You may go forward.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, then, with regard to

Mr. Heath, do you recall talking to him after he received his

letter from you?

A.

I think he did call me, yes, sir.

Q.

Okay.

10

called you about the letter?

11
12

A.

Q.

A.

I think I have seen a copy of my letter on the

Internet, yes, sir.

17
18

And did you ever see a copy of this letter on the

Internet?

15
16

I cautioned him to very carefully review the letter

and the materials that I had provided him.

13
14

And what did you caution him about when he

Q.

And did you discuss anything with Mr. Heath about

changing the letter that you sent out?

19

A.

I don't recall that.

20

Q.

About altering a government document or anything like

A.

That sounds familiar.

21
22

that?
I don't know if he -- I'm

23

trying to remember if he took something out of context and

24

posted it and I told him I thought that was misleading.

25

sounds -- that sounds familiar.

We could have had a

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conversation like that, but I don't have direct recollection.

Q.

About changing who the letter was addressed to?

A.

Yes.

Q.

He didn't change the contents of your letter, just

That does sound familiar.

who it was addressed to?

A.

Yes.

Q.

All right.

And so you did caution him that you

thought that that might be tampering with a government

document?

10
11
12

A.

I don't know if that's what I said, but I told him I

thought it was misleading.


Q.

But in that phone conversation, you did not say,

13

Adrian, that is a felony violation of the law.

14

in that election?

15

A.

I try to do everything but that, to be honest.

16

MR. WRIGHT:

17

THE COURT:

18

Do not go vote

I pass the witness.


Is this lengthy?

I know some people

rely on lunch at a certain time.

19

MR. WHITE:

Right.

20

THE COURT:

Is it going to be lengthy?

21

MR. WHITE:

No.

22

THE COURT:

All right.

23

No, Your Honor.


Go forward.

Thank you.

CROSS-EXAMINATION

24

BY MR. WHITE:

25

Q.

Mr. Grant, did you in any way give Mr. Heath the

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impression that what he was planning to do was okay?


A.

No.

I tried to -- as much as I could within the

bounds of what I believe the duties of the district attorney's

office are, in my limitations, I tried to caution him against

the course of action it appeared he was about to take.

6
7

Q.

In your experience with dealing with Mr. Heath, does

he have a selective hearing problem?

A.

Sometimes, yes, sir.

Q.

Are you familiar with the legal term "deliberate

10

ignorance"?

Have you heard that before?

11

A.

Yes, sir.

12

Q.

And thinking back to when you heard that, does that

13

term have -- do you know what the meaning of that term is,

14

"deliberate ignorance"?

15
16

A.

Yes.

Mr. Heath's case.

17

MR. WHITE:

18
19
20
21

Yes, I do believe it applies somewhat in

I'll pass the witness.

REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

Well, you were asked at one point about prosecuting

these people, isn't that true?

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

And what did you say about the residency rule?

24

A.

I said that the Secretary of State has issued some

25

vague opinions on the residency requirements.

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Q.

And that because of that, it makes prosecuting these

people for a knowing violation of the law very difficult,

right?

A.

I don't know that I agree with that.

Q.

Okay.

A.

I said the Secretary of State's opinions on the law

7
8
9

But you said that the law was vague?

have been vague.


Q.

Okay.

And that's the Secretary of State's opinion

that you sent or told them to go look up and read, right?

10

A.

That's one of them, yes, sir.

11

Q.

Okay.

12
13

MR. WRIGHT:

That's all the questions I have of

this witness.

14

THE COURT:

Anything else?

15

MR. WHITE:

Just briefly.

16

THE COURT:

Yes, sir.

17

RECROSS-EXAMINATION

18

BY MR. WHITE:

19

Q.

In terms of the vagueness or flexibility in the

20

residency law, is it your understanding that the reason for

21

that is because there are specific categories of people that

22

make residency determinations challenging?

23

A.

Yes.

24

Q.

And would those groups include soldiers, snowbirds,

25

college students, homeless people, RV enthusiasts, and

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long-haul truckers?

A.

Yes, sir.

Q.

Is Mr. Heath any of those things, to your knowledge?

A.

No, sir.

He's not.

MR. WHITE:

MR. WRIGHT:

I pass the witness.


I have no further questions of this

witness.

THE COURT:

May this man be excused?

MR. WHITE:

Yes, Your Honor.

10

THE COURT:

You are excused, sir.

11

Ladies and gentlemen, let's break until 1:30.

12

How's that?

Okay.

13
14

Thank you very much.

(At this time the jury is excused to the jury


room.)

15

(Lunch recess.)

16

THE COURT:

17

MR. WRIGHT:

19

THE COURT:
in.

25

I believe we're ready to get going.


All right.

Please bring the jury

(At this time the jury returns to the


courtroom.)

23
24

Everybody ready?

Thank you.

21
22

All right.

Defense ready?

18

20

Thank you.

THE COURT:

All right.

The jury is seated in

the courtroom.
You may be seated.

Thank you.

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The Defense may call its next witness.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

(Witness is sworn.)

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

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8

Randall Dillard.

Please lower your hand.

Thank you.

May I proceed?

RANDALL DILLARD,
having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:

9
10

We wish to call Randall Dillard.

DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:

11

Q.

12

record?

13

A.

Could you state your name and occupation for the

My name is Randall Dillard.

I am employed by a

14

company called Nancy Ledbetter and Associates, which is a

15

public outreach communication firm in Pflugerville, Texas.

16

Q.

How long have you been working in that capacity?

17

A.

I have worked there since August of 2011.

18

Q.

Okay.

19

A.

Just immediately prior to that, I worked for the

Before that, where did you work?

20

Secretary of State's office.

I was director of communications

21

for the Secretary of State's office.

22

in 2008 and worked through July of 2011.

I worked there starting

23

Q.

Okay.

24

A.

I've got a journalism degree from Southwest Texas

25

What is your educational background?

State University, which is now Texas State University in

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journalism.

I don't have a bachelor's -- I mean, a master's or

anything like that.

Q.

Are you an attorney?

A.

No, sir, I am not.

Q.

Okay.

And I want to focus on your work at the

Secretary of State's office in 2010?

A.

Yes, sir.

Q.

On or about -- well, late February in 2010.

9
10
11
12
13
14
15

What was it that you were doing for the


Secretary of State's office at that time?
A.

I was director of communications for the Secretary of

State's office.
Q.

So can you describe for the jury on a day-to-day

basis what you were doing?


A.

Generally my job was to handle and oversee media

16

relations.

So any media calls that came into the Secretary of

17

State's office would generally come to me.

18

think at that time I oversaw some of the development of the

19

Secretary of State's office website and oversaw one employee

20

that wrote most of the speeches for Secretary Andrade.

21

Q.

22

phone calls?

23

A.

Yes, sir, it was.

24

Q.

And so can you tell the jury some of the reasons why

25

Okay.

I also oversaw -- I

So was it ever a part of your job to take

you might take a phone call at the Secretary of State's office?

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A.

The majority of the phone calls that I would take

would be from the reporters.

the Secretary of State's office and took calls from reporters

form around the state about election issues, about issues

related to the Secretary of State's office.

6
7

Q.

I was main the spokesperson for

Were you authorized by Secretary Andrade to make

comments about issues and things like that?

A.

In regards to the policies of the office, yes, sir.

Q.

Okay.

10
11

14

If I may approach the witness, Your

THE COURT:

Yes.

Honor.

12
13

MR. WHITE:

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I want to show you what's been

premarked as Defendant's Exhibit Number 23.

15

A.

Yes, sir.

16

Q.

And ask you if you can identify or do you recognize

17

what that is.

18

MR. WHITE:

Your Honor, may we approach?

19

THE COURT:

Yes.

20

(Bench conference outside the presence of the

21

jury.)

22

MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, this is an Internet

23

copy of a news article in which he is quoted as spokesperson.

24

It does not get anywhere close to being sufficient evidence on

25

the law.

He's not an attorney.

It's something he said in an

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online article.

There is no evidence authentication.

no relevance.

know where the case is going.

There is no relevance to mistake of law.

4
5

THE COURT:

We

I don't know what he identified it.

I don't know.

6
7

There is

MR. GLICKLER:

Before he started to go into

it --

THE COURT:

You know what it is?

MR. GLICKLER:

10

MR. WRIGHT:

11

MR. GLICKLER:

12

THE COURT:

13

MR. GLICKLER:

We know what it is.


What is it?

Should I wait?

This is the article.

What is your legal objection?


Our legal objection, there's

14

numerous.

This is improper evidence.

15

relevance.

16

relevant to the mistake of law.

17

proffer whatsoever that he went and spoke to this Defendant.

18

He is trying to bring in something that this witness, a

19

spokesman for the SOS supposedly said on an online article.


THE COURT:

There is no evidence or

Summarize what you propose this is

supposed to mean that it's relevant to the case.

22
23

It's

It's not relevant to either the evidence, nor is it

20
21

It's hearsay.

MR. WRIGHT:
everything off.

Sure.

This is what started

This article where he made these quotes.

24

THE COURT:

25

MR. WRIGHT:

Started what off?


Started my client contacting him at

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the Secretary of State's office to ask him about his comments

on this article.

and then he said, well, I need to refer you to the election

division.

for about an hour in two or three conversations he had with Joe

Kulhavy.

him about this article and he confirmed, yes, I made this

comment in this article about residency.

And he refers him to Joe Kulhavy, where they talked

This is where it got started.

9
10

And they discussed it for a just few minutes

MR. GLICKLER:

THE COURT:

12

MR. WRIGHT:

13

MR. WHITE:

Who wrote this?


This is a newspaper article.
Your Honor, this is a online blog

article.

15
16

By the way, we're talking about a

telephone conversation.

11

14

He -- my client called

MR. WRIGHT:

It's an online newspaper.

They

call it Texas Watchdog.

17

MR. GLICKLER:

18

MR. WRIGHT:

19

MR. WHITE:

It's not the New York Times.


No.

This is the publication that's

20

written several articles about this specific case, about this

21

Defendant.

22

MR. WRIGHT:

23

MR. GLICKLER:

24

of law.

25

not authenticated.

Since that time.


It's not relevant to the mistake

It's incompetent evidence.

It's in relevant.

It can't be authenticated.

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telephone conversation is one of the most difficult ways to say

Mr. Heath talked to someone --

THE COURT:

You're intending to introduce this?

MR. WRIGHT:

I wanted to introduce this to show

what my client had read and what he talked to Mr. Dillard

about, his comments.

THE COURT:

All right.

This Defendants Exhibit

Number 23, the objection is sustained because you can get

something triggered and generally what it is.

But this is

10

loaded with obviously opinions, innuendo, and comments about

11

the law.

12

before it.

13

started this, that can be testified to orally.

It's just going to confuse the jury on the issues


But if it's just for the purpose of showing what

14

MR. WRIGHT:

15

THE COURT:

Okay.
So because of Exhibit 23 is loaded

16

with hearsay and information which is opinion form related to

17

voting, the chances that it would mislead and confuse the jury

18

are too great for it's admissibility.

19

objection.

20

MR. WRIGHT:

So I'm going sustain the

My client is going to testify that

21

he had read the article and we will seek to admit it as part as

22

his knowledge.

23

THE COURT:

I think when he gets up and

24

testified how much of this -- but certainly something can be

25

testified to that gets the point across that something in the

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general nature of something triggered him.

a legal basis is not fair to all the parties because it

doesn't -- I mean, it's just like using, well, my opinions or

something.

Defendant is charged with for the jury to consider.

objection is sustained.

It has little basis in this trial for what the

(End of bench conference.)

THE COURT:

But to use that as

So

Nobody has invoked the rule yet, so

the rule -- that's called the rule of sequestration or

10

exclusion of witnesses.

We refer to it as a short form and

11

essentially either party can assert it.

12

that's okay.

13

from being present so that they don't hear other witnesses'

14

testimony and then converse amongst themselves.

15

the lawyers, the parties to invoke the rule.

16

some don't.

But if they do, then the witnesses are excluded

17

MR. WRIGHT:

18

THE COURT:

19

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

And some do, and

Yes, sir.
Did Exhibit 23 refresh your

recollection about the Watchdog article.

21

MR. WHITE:

23

But it's up to

If I may proceed?

20

22

And if they don't,

Objection, Your Honor.

It's a

reference to hearsay.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Let me ask you this.

Do you recall

24

giving comments to the Texas Watchdog, a reporter by the name

25

of Steve Miller around February 24, 2010?

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A.

I don't recall specifically discussions regarding a

specific article.

spoke with them on occasion and Steve Miller's name does ring a

bell to me as a reporter that I talked with.

5
6

Q.

some DEA agents who had voted from their office.


MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor.

It's

hearsay, and it's not relevant.

9
10

I know I

And did you discuss the issue with Mr. Miller about

7
8

I do recall the Texas Watchdog.

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Sustained.
Do you recall discussing the issue

11

of residency for voting purposes with Mr. Miller around

12

February the 24th, 2010?

13

A.

I recall talking with several reporters over the

14

years with Secretary of State's office about the residency

15

issue.

16

conversation specific to any specific reporter, but I do know I

17

had talked to Steve Miller and I talked to the Watchdog.

18

Q.

I don't necessarily -- I cannot recall specifically a

Okay.

And do you recall talking on or about that,

19

February 24th or 25th, 2010, to my client Adrian Heath from

20

Montgomery County?

21

A.

I do not recall that, sir.

22

Q.

Okay.

23

And so if my client recalls a conversation,

you don't remember any conversation with him?

24

A.

I don't recall it, no, sir.

25

Q.

Okay.

Can you describe what the Secretary of State's

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2

opinion is for the jury?


A.

I'm not real familiar with what a Secretary of

State's office opinion is.

asked to issue opinions.

It was something that was handled in our elections division and

by our general counsel.

7
8

Q.

Okay.

I know that the office would be

I was never involved in that process.

And so if it's their -- so there's an election

division, correct?

A.

Yes, sir.

There was when I was there.

10

Q.

All right.

11

A.

Yes, sir.

12

Q.

And did you -- did you refer any question that you

I'm going back to the 2010.

13

got about elections in voter eligibility and things like that

14

to that division?

15

A.

Yes, sir.

I would typically do that, particularly if

16

a citizen called me and wanted to talk about specific issues.

17

I would speak in general terms to reporters about the election

18

code and would refer them to sections in the election code

19

dealing with whatever the issue was they were asking about.

20

When citizens called me, I would only speak in general terms

21

and would refer them to the elections division and the

22

attorneys there to discuss specific issues.

23
24
25

Q.

All right.

Specific facts, issues, I guess, fact

patterns and things?


A.

Yes, sir.

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Q.

Okay.

So at that time there existed, I guess, a

phone call-in number for ordinary voters to call in and ask

legal questions about interpreting the election code?

A.

I know in the time leading up to an election, our

elections division would have a hotline, I guess, so to speak,

that they would take questions from.

oftentimes that would be from election officials around the

state, but it was also my understanding that citizens could

call that as well and speak to one of the attorneys about a

10
11
12
13
14
15
16

It's my understanding

specific issue.
Q.

Okay.

And so -- and that was for the citizens to

rely on the attorney's advice that they got?


A.

To get information at least about the issue and how

the election code may apply to them.


Q.

All right.

Did you know an attorney in the election

division at that time named Joe Kulhavy?

17

A.

Yes, sir, I did.

18

Q.

And how long did you know him for?

19

A.

My period of employment at the Secretary of State's

20

office, I don't know if Joe was there the entire time I was

21

there or not.

22

Mainly I would talk to the head of the elections division or

23

the lead attorney in the elections division.

24
25

Q.

But there were occasions I would talk to him.

And did you fairly routinely refer people who had

specific legal questions on specific fact issues to

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Mr. Kulhavy?

A.

I would typically refer them to Ann Winn, the lead

attorney for the elections division.

Q.

She was in charge of the election division?

A.

I don't know remember if I spoke her name right.

was Elizabeth Winn.

It

I may have said Ann Winn.

Q.

So Mr. Kulhavy worked along with Ms. Winn or below?

A.

He was in the elections -- the general counsel

section of the elections division and Ms. Winn was the lead

10

attorney that -- I don't know what her official title was, but

11

she was in charge of that section of the attorneys.

12
13

Q.

So you would defer specific questions to them as the

authority on the election code?

14

A.

Yes, sir.

15

Q.

And you don't recall any conversations back at that

16
17

time period with Adrian Heath?


A.

I do not recall that, sir, no, sir.

18

MR. WRIGHT:

Thank you.

I pass the witness.

19

MR. WHITE:

No questions for this witness.

20

THE COURT:

May this man be excused?

21

MR. WHITE:

Yes, sir.

22

THE COURT:

You are excused.

23

Next witness.

24

MR. WRIGHT:

25

(Witness is sworn.)

Call Joe Kulhavy.

Thank you.

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THE COURT:

JOE KULHAVY,
having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:

5
6

DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:

Q.

record?

A.

10

Thank you.

Have a seat.

3
4

Please lower your hand.

Would you state your name and occupation for the

My name is Joe Kulhavy, spelled K-U-L-H-A-V-Y.

My

occupation is attorney.

11

Q.

And what is your educational background?

12

A.

I graduated from Southern Methodist University in

13

1986 with a B.A. in economics and political science.

14

graduated from the University of Texas at Austin in 1990 with a

15

juris doctorate.

16

Q.

So what is your -- I guess you pursued law after

18

A.

Yes, that's right.

19

Q.

Tell the jury where you practice law and what type of

17

20
21

that?

law practice you've had since you graduated?


A.

I practiced exclusively in the Austin area.

And for

22

the last 15 years or so, I have worked as an attorney for state

23

agencies.

24

Retirement System, and I worked for about eight years for the

25

Secretary of State elections division.

I worked for about six years for the Employees

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2

Q.

From when to when did you work for the elections

division?

A.

I started at the elections division October 6th,

2004.

for the 2004 November election.

July 2nd, 2013.

7
8
9

I remember that because it was the deadline to register

Q.

And my last day there was

This year.

Now, could you describe what your day-to-day job was

at the Secretary of State's office?


A.

Secretary of State's office has a number of different

10

divisions that perform all sorts of different state duties.

11

worked in the elections division with about a half dozen other

12

attorneys.

13

division and we answered to Elizabeth Hanshaw-Winn, who was the

14

director of legal services for the elections division.

15

then she answered to the executive director of elections.

We were all titled staff attorneys at the elections

And

16

And so as a staff attorney, my job mostly

17

involved offering advice and interpretation of the Texas

18

Election Code to election officials and also to members of the

19

general public.

20

registration certificate, you'll see a 1-800 number.

21

1-800 number connects directly to the elections division.

22

I would spend most of my day on the phone.

23

anywhere between 20 calls on a low day to election day, when we

24

would run an election hotline all day and average a couple of

25

thousand calls.

If you look on the back of your voter

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Q.

So your job was to answer questions for people that

called in?
A.

Yeah, anyone who called.

It's -- Chapter 31 of the

Texas Election Code specifies that the Secretary of State must

maintain a toll-free number for voter inquiries and for -- and

part of our statutory duty is that we interpret election law

for candidates, elected officials, election workers, and the

general public.

Q.

Okay.

So what state office or agency is charged

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with, I guess, interpreting the election code for the

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officeholders and the general public?

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A.

Chapter 31 of the election code also specifies that

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the Secretary of State is the chief elections officer for the

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state.

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the past 40 years or so has issued a number of election law

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opinions, which are a formal opinion of the effect of a

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particular election law.

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about the upcoming November '13 -- or November 2013

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constitutional amendment election.

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Q.

And in that responsibility, the Secretary of State over

Most recently, they issued an opinion

So this idea of writing an opinion on some issue on

election law, what goes into that process?


A.

Generally, the executive director of the elections

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division will create an opinion committee that's composed of

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attorneys from the elections division and the general counsel

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at the Secretary of State's office.

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Q.

So that's on an issue or case-by-case basis?

A.

Yes, that's right.

Q.

And did you ever, while you were there, serve on an

opinion committee?

A.

No, I didn't.

Q.

So what's the purpose of issuing these official

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opinions on election issues?


A.

Part of the Secretary of State's responsibility is to

ensure uniformity in the application of election laws.

And so

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that's the statutory basis for issuing opinions about how a

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particular part of the election code should be interpreted.

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Q.

So in that sense, the Secretary of State's office

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elections division is the administrative agency that people

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come to rely on in trying to interpret what things mean in the

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election code.

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A.

Is that right?

Well, we don't -- unlike some state agencies, we

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don't really have a regulatory authority.

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treated as an advisory agency.

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issues, the State would be represented by the attorney

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general's office.

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responsibility is to advise and offer opinions.

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opinions are owed the same deference that an administrative

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agency -- administrative rules would be given.

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Q.

Okay.

Instead, we're

So, for instance, in contested

So our -- so the Secretary of State's


And those

And so does a voter or an election official or

a political officeholder, do they have a right to rely on those

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opinions?
A.

Well, there's not an attorney-client relationship

between the Secretary of State and the people who call in.

it is similar to other circumstances where a person talks to a

government attorney.

Secretary of State's office and not the people calling in.

there's -- in a civil case, you probably couldn't claim laches

or estoppel based on a piece of advice the Secretary of State's

office has given.

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So

Our client, I guess, if anything, was the

THE COURT:

Just one second, sir.

So

If you would

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be so kind to help the jury.

Remember, the jury may or may not

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be attorneys and "laches" is not a term that's commonly used by

13

the ordinary public layman.

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what you mean there so they can understand.

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THE WITNESS:

Would you be so kind to explain

Oh, sure.

Sometimes there are

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cases where a person will have gotten advice from somebody,

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like maybe they've gone to a CPA or an attorney and they have

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gotten some legal advice.

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was wrong.

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misled by the advice has an affirmative defense and can say, I

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did the wrong thing, but I didn't know it was wrong because

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somebody with formal training and authority gave me what

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sounded like a very official answer.

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that sort of affirmative defense.

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Q.

Later on, it turns out the advice

It's sometimes the case that the person who was

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

So that kind of sums up

So a private individual cannot do

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that, right?

ahead and rob this bank.

It's okay.

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A private attorney can't say, yeah, you can go


Here's my written legal opinion.

That's no defense, right?


Yeah.

I guess it depends on the circumstances.

I'm

certainly not a litigator.


Q.

Well, let's go back.

When you were advising people

on the phone back in March and April and May of 2010 in your

position, that was as an official agency advisor; is that

correct?

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Right, right, as far as the attorneys for the office.

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Q.

Okay.

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Now do you recall go having conversations with

my client, Adrian Heath, back in March of 2010?


A.

Yes.

In fact, I have pretty well refreshed memory of

conversations with Mr. Heath.


Q.

All right.

And can you tell us what was -- going

back, do you remember when the first conversation was?


MR. WHITE:

Your Honor, could I take the witness

on a brief voir dire?

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THE COURT:

For what purpose?

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MR. WHITE:

Regarding the conversations and how

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he knows the identity of Adrian Heath.


THE COURT:

Okay.

Well, let the Defense at

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least lay the foundation of time and other things and then if

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you feel like you need to raise an objection then.

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that will help you in what you do, too.

But maybe

But nothing has been

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said, yet, that's hearsay.


Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Go ahead.
So how do you know -- had you ever

met Adrian Heath in person?


A.

I haven't met him in person until today, but I had

talked to him on the phone at least sometime before 2010 about

election issues generally relating to -- I think about

candidacy and some other things.

to him around January or February of 2010.

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Q.

Okay.

A.

Yes.

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Q.

Okay.

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And did you have any e-mail communications

with him?

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And I think I probably talked

What was the gist of the e-mail communications

that you had with him?


A.

There were questions about residency and voter

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registration and it might have been something about candidate

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filing.

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Q.

All right.

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MR. WRIGHT:
Honor.

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If I may approach the witness, Your

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

All right.
I want to show you what's been

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premarked as D-32, meaning Defense Exhibit Number 32, and ask

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you if you recognize what that is.

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

Okay.

This is an e-mail from me to Adrian Heath.


And that was dated on what date?

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A.

That was dated March 20th, 2010.

Q.

Okay.

And is this Exhibit Number 32 a true and

correct copy of the e-mail and its contents?

a lot of back and forth connected to it.

had sent to Adrian Heath on that date in your position as an

officer with the Secretary of State's office?

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Yeah.

I guess it's got

An e-mail that you

My response on the first three pages, I'm sure

is the e-mail that I sent him.


Q.

Okay.

Some of it -- is there some of it that's not

part of your e-mail?


A.

It was part of an e-mail chain.

He also talked to an

attorney -- another attorney at the office.

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Q.

Who is that other attorney?

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A.

That's Jessica Escobar.

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Q.

All right.

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A.

She was at the Secretary of State's office for about

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How long was she at the office?

two years.

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Q.

How far does this e-mail chain go back, do you

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recall?

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A.

I'm guessing -- well, looks like from late February.

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Q.

Okay.

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A.

February 26.

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Q.

Okay.

And so information, then, was being provided

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and then the e-mails are being back and forth responded with

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all the old e-mails still connected.

Is that right?

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A.

Right.

Q.

Okay.

Yes.

MR. WRIGHT:

Your Honor, we tender a copy of

Exhibit 32 to counsel for their review and ask that it be

admitted in this case as communications between my client and

Mr. Kulhavy in the Secretary of State's office.

MR. WHITE:

There are a few problems with this

document.

The State would object.

It contains hearsay

statements of the Defendant as well as a Jessica Escobar and

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Mike Page, Julie Kime in the series of forwarded e-mails.

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Also, the subject matter is completely irrelevant to what we

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are discussing right here with this witness.

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object on relevancy and hearsay grounds.

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THE COURT:

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Okay.

All right.

So we would

Let me look, please.

As far as hearsay, what is your response?

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Is it not hearsay from the Defendant and someone other than the

17

testifying witness?

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MR. WRIGHT:

Well, it is not being offered for

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the truth of the matter asserted.

What it's being offered for

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is to show what steps my client was going through in

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communicating the problem with the RUD district, where the RUD

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district was saying they weren't going to have an election and

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my client was conferring with the Secretary of State's office

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and sending information on how can we make them have an

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election.

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THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

All right.
So it's just to show what his state

of mind was.

THE COURT:

The objection is sustained because

of the -- I don't want to stop you from trying to prove your

case and make your presentation based upon the rules of

evidence, but I think it can be done without admitting this.

It has hearsay information.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

The gist of that e-mail, Exhibit 32,

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was -- was what, do you recall?

In other words, those were --

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your first conversations, I guess, were e-mails with Mr. Heath,

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right?

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A.

Yes, I think so.

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Q.

What was the frustration he was expressing?

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A.

What I recall is that --

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MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor.

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THE COURT:

Response?

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MR. WRIGHT:

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be hearsay.

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hearsay.

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asserted.

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of mind was.

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This would

Your Honor, under 803, it's not

We're not offering it for the truth of the matter


We're offering to show the declarant, what his state

THE COURT:

But aren't you contending that's

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what his state of mind is?

Isn't that an accurate -- or as

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opposed to that's a false state of mind.

I mean, isn't it

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really for the truthfulness of it so that -- isn't this an

accurate representation of his state of mind?

the truth?

MR. WRIGHT:

Wouldn't that be

If it -- if it was hearsay, we

would be offering it to show whatever Adrian told him or sent

him was absolutely 100 percent true; and we're not saying that.

We're saying this is what Adrian had on his mind when he was

thinking when he sent that to him.

the information Adrian had or presented him was true and

Now, we're not saying that

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accurate.

It doesn't really matter.

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state of mind while he is going through this decision process.

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THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

We're trying to show his

But again -- all right.


That's our defense.
Well, there are other ways of doing

15

it that bypass the hearsay rules and it is hearsay as the Court

16

deems it to be and reads the rules.

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MR. WRIGHT:

So I'm going to --

I mean, I have some case law, Your

Honor, that -MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor, as he looks for that,

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what I'll say is this.

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Mr. Heath's belief and that's what's going to come out.

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Whether or not it's true or false is not the issue.

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is -- his belief is the issue at hand and this is what the

24

statement's going to be and that's what makes it hearsay.

25

The truth of the matter asserted is

MR. WRIGHT:

Well, his belief --

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THE COURT:

The arguments are made, but the

Court was on the Texas Rules of Evidence committee.

intimately know.

The objection is sustained.

opportunity to get your point addressed within the rules of

evidence.

this context are inadmissible under their objection.

sustaining it.

I helped write the rules.

So it's sustained.

But I'm going to give you a fair

But statements of Mr. Heath through this witness in

MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

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have a break.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Okay.

So I'm

If you note, Judge.

Sure.
We'll pull the case later when we

Now, do you recall what you

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responded to Mr. Heath based on the e-mails that you got, that

15

e-mail chain about how to get an election in that RUD district?

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A.

I recall that -- that my e-mail was about

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cancellation of elections and about -- and about how an entity

18

goes about canceling an election when it doesn't have contested

19

races.

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Q.

What did you tell him about that?

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A.

State law provides -- has provided for the last

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20 years or so that local government jurisdictions, other than

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counties, can cancel their elections if only one person is

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running for each open seat.

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body of the political subdivision has to enter an order

In order to do that, the governing

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canceling the election.

bulletin board or message board for the political subdivision.

There's a deadline for -- well, the cancellation should happen

as soon as possible after the last day for candidate filings.

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Q.

Okay.

So you explained to him what the rules were on

whether or not the RUD would cancel an election?

A.

Right.

Q.

Okay.

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10

All right.

Now, I want to show you what's

been premarked as D-33, meaning Defense Exhibit 33, and ask if


you recognize that exhibit.

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A.

Yes.

12

Q.

Okay.

13

That order has to be posted on the

And when was this e-mail, I guess, sent to you

from Mr. Heath?

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A.

It's dated Saturday, March 25, 2010.

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Q.

All right.

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received it?

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A.

That sounds about right.

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Q.

Okay.

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A.

Or I would have gotten it the following Monday.

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Q.

Monday.

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Is that about when you would have

Okay.

And what is the reason for that e-mail that was


sent?
A.

I was -- looks like a message forwarded to me

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about -- or the May 2010 election for The Woodlands Road

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Utility District.

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Q.

Okay.

And was this basically a continuing sort of

discussion from the previous e-mail?

A.

Yeah.

I think this was a follow-up from Mr. Heath.

Q.

Okay.

So that -- did you then give Mr. Heath --

well, after you got this e-mail, did you talk to him on the

phone?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

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And so what was the discussion on the phone

about once you got this e-mail?


A.

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I -- let's see.
MR. WHITE:

Your Honor, I'll object just to this

12

question is calling for hearsay from conversation; and I'll

13

object to hearsay.

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THE COURT:

Overruled.

general nature of this discussion.


A.

He's asked about the

Overruled.

I know that I talked to Mr. Heath not long after this

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e-mail came in generally about the voter registration list for

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the road district.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Okay.

And so what did you talk to

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him about the voter registration list?

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before I leave the subject --

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MR. WRIGHT:

-- well, first of all,

Your Honor, Defendant's Exhibit 33,

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I tender a copy to counsel for their review and ask that it be

24

admitted in this case as evidence of the efforts that Mr. Heath

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made to converse with the administrative authority on elections

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regarding this RUD election.

MR. WHITE:

Your Honor, it's a similar

objection; but this exhibit consists entirely of hearsay,

statements, e-mails of Mike Page and from Adrian Heath himself.

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

We're also offering it to show my

client's motive for wanting to get involved in this election.

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Objection, sustained.

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Objection, sustained.
And then go a couple of days after

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that, after the March 26 e-mail, let me ask you -- I'll show

11

you what's been premarked Defendant's Exhibit 34 and ask if you

12

recognize that.

13

A.

Yes.

This is another follow-up e-mail that I

14

received from Mr. Heath about voter registration in The

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Woodlands RUD.

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Q.

All right.

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A.

On March 31st.

18

Q.

Would have been about four days after the other?

19

A.

Yeah.

20

Q.

All right.

21

And that was on what date?

So in this case, what did he tell you

about the voter registration information he had found out?

22

MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor, hearsay.

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THE COURT:

Sustained.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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Your Honor, again, it's going to my

client's intent and state of mind.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Sustained.
What did you advise him about the

voter registration information he had found out?

A.

That to the extent the road district had failed to

identify voters or there were additional voters who were

registered to vote and lived inside the boundaries of the

district, those voters should be permitted to vote

provisionally.

confirm that they lived inside the district so that their

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ballots would be counted.

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And the county voter registrar could then

Q.

Can you explain for the jury what a provisional vote

A.

Back in 2002, Texas adopted a series of laws that

is?

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were basically designed to clean up typos and mistakes in the

15

voter registration list.

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problems with voter registration lists.

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person who showed up to vote and who couldn't be found on the

18

list would still be given an opportunity to cast a ballot, but

19

the ballot would be sealed inside an envelope and delivered to

20

the voter registrar in the county.

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election, the voter registrar has to exhaustively research each

22

of those missing voters to determine if, in fact, they're

23

registered to vote in the county or not.

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registered to vote, they -- their ballot is counted normally.

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If they're not registered to vote, the envelope itself serves

There are a fair number of data entry


The idea was that a

Within three days after the

If they are

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as a voter registration and within ten days after the election,

they get a letter letting them know that their ballot wasn't

counted.

on the voter registration list.

Q.

So it's a stopgap to clean up mistakes and omissions

So did you then -- well, let me approach.

show you what's been marked as D-35, meaning Defense

Exhibit 35, and ask if you recognize that.

I want to

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

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A.

And that was sent on March 31st.

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Q.

A late-evening e-mail?

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A.

Yes.

13

Q.

So you wouldn't have got it at the office at 10:57?

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A.

No.

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Q.

Okay.

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This is another e-mail from Mr. Heath.


And that was on --

I would have gotten it the next day.


Because these e-mails you were sending and

receiving from him were through the office?

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A.

Yes, that's right.

18

Q.

All official, is that correct?

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A.

They were all to my Secretary of State e-mail

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address.
Q.

Okay.
MR. WRIGHT:

I will tender a copy of the Defense

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Exhibit Number 35 to counsel for their review and ask that it

24

be admitted for this case showing my client's attempts

25

communicating with the Secretary of State's office about this

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election.

THE COURT:

You have an objection?

MR. WHITE:

Yeah.

THE COURT:

Let me look.

Sustained.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

The same objection.


Let me read them.

So what was the general nature -- I

guess that next day would have been April 1st.

general nature of that discussion with Adrian Heath from that

e-mail?

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A.

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What was the

It was about potential voters that appeared to live

within the boundaries of the RUD district.

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Q.

Okay.

Was there a discussion about addresses of

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these voters?

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A.

I think the e-mails included addresses.

15

Q.

And so were they all home addresses or were some

16

nonresidential addresses?

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MR. WHITE:

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Your Honor, could I take the witness

on voir dire regarding this e-mail, please?

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THE COURT:

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Briefly.

VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION

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BY MR. WHITE:

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Q.

Mr. Kulhavy, regarding the exhibit you're being

23

questioned on, did you respond to this e-mail or was this only

24

the information that was forwarded to you by Mr. Heath?

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A.

Right.

I didn't respond to this e-mail.

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Q.

So this document that you're being questioned on

contains only Mr. Heath's comments to you?

A.

Right.

Q.

Okay.

MR. WHITE:

State would object to this line of

questioning because it's simply to go into the Defendant's own

statements, which would be hearsay.

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THE COURT:

Go ahead.

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DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONTINUED)


BY MR. WRIGHT:

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Q.

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e-mail?

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A.

I know -- I'm sure I did.

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Q.

All right.

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Let him ask his

next question, and it depends on what is elicited.

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Well, we'll see.

Well, after -- did you talk to Mr. Heath after this

And you talked to him because of this

e-mail; is that correct?


A.

Because of that e-mail and his questions about the

election.
Q.

And so what was your substance of your conversation

on the phone call?


A.

I think it was -- again, it probably had to do with

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the role of the county voter registrar in determining whether

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particular addresses fell within the boundaries of the district

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or not.

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Q.

What did you advise him about that?

A.

I don't remember that call specifically, but my guess

is that I probably reiterated that any voters who showed up

should be accommodated with provisional ballots.

Q.

Okay.

At this point, was there any discussion about

voting from residences, voting from businesses, hotels,

anything like that?

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9

A.

Yeah.

I know that we talked about residence, the

legal definition of residence and --

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Q.

What did you tell him about that?

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Well, the legal definition of residence is found in

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Section 1.015 of the election code.

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MR. WRIGHT:

It's defined as domicile.

May I approach the Court Reporter,

Your Honor.
A.

And I know that this is sort of uniform information

16

that I gave to lots of people who asked about residence issues.

17

Residence is determined by physical connection to a place and

18

by domiciliary intent, which is -- could be thought of as the

19

sense that a particular place is a place that a person will

20

return to after any temporary absence.

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being in a place.

22

It's a mixed question of law and fact.

23

over it, it's the purview of the court to make a decision about

24

whether someone is a resident of a particular place or not.

25

So it's not gained by

It's not lost by being absent from a place.


When there is a dispute

The problem is you can't look inside someone's

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head and so -- to determine intent.

circumstantial evidence of intent.

that it's determined by locus or physical connection to a place

and by what you could think of as home sense or hearth sense,

the feeling that a particular place serves as your home.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

You have to rely on


So the important things are

So did you give him the citation or

tell him where he could find the definition in the election

code.

A.

I'm sure I did.

10

Q.

Did you give him any other legal authority he could

11
12

I did that frequently.

look at?
A.

I probably also directed him to a couple of court

13

cases that more or less defined what the responsibility of

14

court is in determining residence.

15

have been some administrative rulings.

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19

Q.

referred him to?


A.

There is a Secretary of State opinion that does

discuss residence.
MR. WRIGHT:

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May I approach the witness, Your

Honor.

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Might

Were there any Secretary of State's opinions that you

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And -- let's see.

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Yes.
Show you Defendant's Exhibit

Number 1, and ask you if you recognize that.


A.

Yes.

This is a copy of a formal election law opinion

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titled Election Law Opinion GSC-1.

Q.

Mr. Heath to?

A.

specifically.

Q.

Okay.

It was issued in 2004.

And is this something that you directed

I imagine I did, although I don't remember it

Okay.

Well, when people have a residence question,

is this one of the opinions that you would refer them to?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

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A.

Yes.

11

Q.

Did you discuss with him anything about people voting

12
13

You do recall him having a residency question?


His question was about residence.

from office as their residence?


A.

I talked about how residence is often a disputed

14

issue in election contests and that's it's not unusual for

15

losing candidates to allege that their opponent failed to meet

16

the residency requirements for candidacy, that we run into a

17

number of problems because of a disconnect between common sense

18

understanding of residence and the way it sometimes has to work

19

for purposes of voting.

20

Q.

For instance, a lot of people --

Hold on a minute.

So are you telling me that you can

21

have a residence for one purpose like maybe for taxes, but you

22

could have a different residence for voting purposes?

23

A.

Right.

But it's not unusual for people to argue that

24

they really think of one particular place as home versus

25

another despite things like homestead exemptions or other

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factors.

evidence of domiciliary intent, but neither it, nor any other

document by itself would be conclusive evidence of domicile.

Q.

So something like a homestead exemption would be

All right.

Just because you have a piece of property

with a homestead designation so you can get your taxes lowered,

that doesn't necessarily mean that that has to be your

residence for voting purposes; is that correct?

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9

A.

Right.

A homestead exemption, among other things,

can be inherited by surviving spouses in some circumstances,

10

even in circumstances where the surviving spouse has a

11

different residence.

12

definitions of residence from the legal definition of residence

13

for purposes of voting because we're trying to -- in discussing

14

residence, we try to emphasize that residence for voting

15

purposes is not conclusively established by any single piece of

16

concrete evidence.

17

and of itself determines residence, except to the extent that

18

the court takes all these pieces of evidence, weighs them, and

19

decides the residence question when it's disputed.

20

Q.

Okay.

We kind of separate all other legal

There is no document or statement that in

So in other words, the residence -- I mean,

21

the voter doesn't know or can't say for sure what the residence

22

is until a court decides?

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MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor, leading.

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THE COURT:

Sustained.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, could you summarize what you

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mean by your last statement?


A.

Well, the question or a dispute over residence

usually comes up in the context of some sort of court

proceeding related to residence, like an election contest or a

dispute over an elected officials capacity to continue to hold

office.

that the residence statement of the voter or candidate is true

since it's supported by the sworn affidavit that appears on the

voter registration application or, in the case of a candidate,

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11

So in the absence of dispute, there is presumption

by the affidavit that's on the candidate's application.


Q.

Okay.

So all of this that you've been telling the

12

jury, those are the things you discussed with Mr. Heath on the

13

phone?

14

A.

Yes.

15

Q.

How long did some of these conversations that you had

16
17
18

on the phone last?


A.

Well, as the jury can tell, I'm a little longwinded.

So sometimes I would spend, oh, say, 40 minutes or more.

19

Q.

Up to an hour?

20

A.

And that was true of other calls I had, too, not just

21

Mr. Heath, but people calling in general.

22

sometimes run pretty long.

23

Q.

But the calls could

I want to give you a copy because your monitor is not

24

working.

It's supposed to, but it's not.

I want to ask you

25

about your opinion that you directed Mr. Heath to.

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bottom paragraph, it says, short answers on Defendant's

Exhibit 1?

A.

Yeah.

Q.

Oh, good.

A.

So it works.

Q.

Well, it's been flashing so we'll see.

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8
9

And it turns out the monitor was just off.

MR. GLICKLER:

You have to be here all week to

fix that.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Anyhow, on that short answer where

10

they are citing the Seminole case of Mills versus Bartlett, a

11

1964 Texas Supreme Court case, are you familiar with that case?

12

A.

Yes.

13

Q.

And where they use this word -- this phrase that

14

neither bodily presence alone nor intention alone will suffice

15

to create the residence, but when the two coincide at that

16

moment the residence is fixed and determined.

17
18
19

Did you recall ever using that phrase with


Mr. Heath in any of the conversation you had with him?
A.

I think Mills versus Bartlett is one of the cases I

20

cited to him because it's one of the sort of lead cases in

21

Texas in law that discusses residence issues.

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23
24
25

Q.

And so would you have talked to him about the

holding?
A.

Yeah.

I mean, I probably have paraphrased it as the

fact that you have a combination of two elements that answer

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this mixed question of law and fact.

connection to a place and intention that that place is home.

And those two things determine where your residence lies, where

your heart cleaves to basically.

Q.

You've got physical

And did you also tell him that the next sentence from

that case is there is no specific length of time for the bodily

presence to continue?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

And so did you explain to Mr. Heath what that

10

meant as far as your right to decide where you -- what your

11

address is for registration purposes?

12

A.

As it says in the statute, residence is neither

13

gained by presence in a place nor lost by absence from that

14

place; that, in fact, there are tens of thousands of Texas

15

voters, particularly military voters, who may not have set foot

16

in their residence address where they're registered to vote at

17

any time in the last 20 years if they're career military.

18

there are people voting from Kyoto, Japan, and German air bases

19

and Afghanistan who are using their parents' addresses as their

20

last permanent residence in Texas and they may not have been

21

physically present in that house at any time in the last

22

30 years.

23

residence address.

So

Nevertheless, it's still presumptively their

24

Q.

Why is it presumptively their residence address?

25

A.

Well, partly because when they registered to vote,

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they swore to the truth of the statements they were making on

their voter registration.

about the truthfulness of their statement, it's presumed to be

the case that they reside where they have sworn that they

reside.

Q.

So in the absence of any question

And you have identified the military personnel as

one.

maybe never even set foot in a residence that you put on their

registration card?

10

Did you give Mr. Heath other examples of people that

A.

Well, yeah.

I sometimes -- and I don't know if I

11

used this specific example; but I expect I used an example like

12

this because I get so many calls like this.

13

a difference -- or when we're looking at residence and we're

14

looking at the question of intent and physical connection to a

15

place, the kind of the easier question to answer from an

16

evidentiary point of view is whether I've got any physical

17

connection to a place.

18

never even been through Quanah, Texas.

19

voter registration application and listed Quanah, Texas, as my

20

residence address, even if I profess that I intended that to be

21

my home, because I've never physically been there, there is no

22

way that I can be -- if the question ever came up, I

23

immediately lose because I can't claim residence in a place

24

where I don't have any physical connection.

25

San Antonio.

That if -- there's

So I have never lived in -- I have


So if I submitted a

If I claimed --

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Q.

Stop right there for just a second.

That's because

in Quanah, you never had a bodily presence?

A.

Right.

Q.

That's what you mean by physical connection, right?

A.

Right, yeah.

Q.

And so if you went to Quanah, Texas, and you stayed

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8
9

there, even for a day, does that change your scenario?


A.

Well, then I have -- I have bodily presence.

Then

the question becomes whether I intend that to be my permanent

10

residence.

And there, although it's not conclusive, the length

11

of a person's stay at any particular place is not conclusive on

12

the question of their domiciliary intent.

13

can be considered along with all the other circumstantial

14

evidence.

It's an element that

15

Q.

Why is it not conclusive?

16

A.

Well, basically because no evidence is conclusive as

17

a matter of law on the question of residence.

So, for

18

instance, a non-court, like a county -- a county voter

19

registrar couldn't summarily cancel somebody's registration

20

based on a judgment that they hadn't been in a place long

21

enough.

22

Q.

Why is that?

23

A.

Because it's not within their legal right to -- or

24

it's not within the a legal authority of a voter registrar to

25

go behind the voter registration application and question the

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sincerity of the application.


Q.

Is that because the United States Constitution and

the Supreme Court cases?


A.

Right.

And Texas case law for the last hundred years

that has pretty consistently said, the only -- when it's a

dispute, the only institution that has any authority to resolve

the dispute is a court of law.

Q.

All right.

So if a voter registrar or a district

attorney or county attorney thinks that somebody has lied about

10

their residence, they can take legal action before the election

11

and ask for a judge to decide the residence issue?

12

A.

Yeah.

They could -- they could challenge -- they

13

could go to the voter registrar, any registered bar in the

14

county can go to the voter registrar and file a formal written

15

challenge of another registered voter's registration.

16

result of that challenge will be that the voter registrar will

17

send a notice of confirmation to the other voter basically

18

saying, hey, somebody says that they don't think that you're

19

qualified to be a registered voter.

20

notice within 30 days or you'll be placed on the suspense list,

21

meaning that the next time you vote, you'll have to verify your

22

residence address.

23

The

Please respond to this

Notice that that administrative process does not

24

involve the automatic cancellation of the registration.

25

involves informing the voter that there's a challenge, giving

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the voter an opportunity to respond and if the voter doesn't

respond, placing the voter on a suspense list basically for

two -- for two federal election cycles, the person -- there

will be kind of a watch out.

they'll need to fill out a statement of residence.

Q.

Okay.

Next time that person votes,

Now, another, I guess, option for a local

prosecutor to have, district attorney or county attorney,

whoever has misdemeanor jurisdiction, would be to file charges

for a false statement on the voter registration card.

10
11

Is that

correct?
A.

That's true.

They can file charges for perjury,

12

maybe for -- I guess it depends on what's happened with the

13

application.

14

document or something like that.

15
16
17

Q.

It could be falsification of a government

And then that would result in a court decision before

the election potentially, right?


A.

Right.

Or it kind of independent of the election.

18

Because the -- determining that fact would be completely out of

19

the wheelhouse of the county voter registrar.

20

conceivable that a court would proceed without any knowledge or

21

awareness of the schedule of upcoming elections.

22

Q.

Okay.

So it's

But that's another way that a public official

23

could say, we need a court decision to decide the residency of

24

this voter, correct?

25

A.

That's true.

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Q.

All right.

Did you discuss that possibility with

Mr. Heath?
A.

I'm pretty sure I did.

Again, I can't remember the

specifics of this particular conversation; but the reason why

I'm pretty sure is that it was my habit of telling everybody

who had a question about residence, that residence --

basically, that a lawsuit was one way to settle the question of

residence.

Q.

Okay.

Now, when you discussed the Secretary of

10

State's opinion, that's Defendant's Exhibit Number 1 that I

11

have a copy of, did you discuss some of the circumstances of

12

these voters in some of these other cases that are mentioned in

13

there?

14

A.

Yes, I did.

15

Q.

Which ones did you discuss with him, do you recall?

16

A.

Well, I talked about so-called snowbirds, retirees

17

and RVers who will come down to the Texas coast for the

18

summer -- or for the winter and then go back to Minnesota or

19

Wisconsin or some other frozen place for the rest of their year

20

and how, traditionally, some county voter registrars have been

21

hostile to snowbirds.

22
23

Q.

Do you recall which case that was that was discussed

in the opinion or what page?

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25

THE COURT:
take a break.

While we're doing that, why don't we

What do you-all say, ladies and gentlemen.

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Thank you.

you.

Stretch your legs for about ten minutes.

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4

(At this time the jury is excused to the jury


room.)

(Brief recess.)

(At this time the jury returns to the

courtroom.)

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

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11

Thank

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Please be seated.

Thank you.

May I proceed, Your Honor?


Yes.
Mr. Kulhavy, I think where we left

12

off, you were explaining some of the examples where people

13

using -- it was not their residence necessarily, but their

14

location for voting purposes?

15
16

A.

Right.

of snowbirds, the example of the military voters.

17
18

And it was common for us to use the example

THE COURT:
A.

We heard that.

Yes, sir.

But in this particular decision or this particular

19

election law opinion has to deal with the students at Prairie

20

View A & M.

21

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Now, did you tell my client, did you

22

tell Mr. Heath about any other cases that didn't deal with the

23

students at Prairie View A & M?

24
25

A.

I probably talked about some turn-of-the-century

cases where residence was determined by things like where a

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person -- or one -- a piece of evidence that would sway the

finder of fact was that someone slept at night at a particular

place or the turn of the 20th century, a married woman

residence was presumed that of her husband, which is kind of a

reflection of sexism era.

6
7

Q.

Well, did you talk about people who had claimed

offices as their voting residence?

A.

Yeah.

Q.

What did you tell him about that?

10

A.

That it's not unusual to hear of circumstances where

11

a candidate claims a residence, is challenged by an opponent on

12

the grounds that that residence is actually a place of business

13

or not zoned commercial or is an open field or unimproved

14

property, warehouse, barn, and that because of the strong

15

presumption in favor of the truth of a person's statement

16

regarding residence, that the fact that the building happens

17

not to be zoned residential or happens not to be a building is

18

not in and of itself dispositive as to whether that is the

19

person's permanent residence or not.

20

Q.

Well, you know, I'm trying to find out how did you

21

tell him these things.

22

telling the jury now or were you saying -- how were you saying

23

it?

24
25

You can do this?


A.

Were you telling him like you're

You can do that?

How --

I think I was -- I was probably describing all those

or stereotypical circumstances where two people had a

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disagreement over someone's residence and I was using examples

to kind of hammer home that, in particular, the Secretary of

State's office, but no institution other than the court could

conclusively say that someone did or didn't live somewhere or

didn't permanently reside somewhere based on even things that

might strike you as contrary to your common sense.

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8
9

Q.

Okay.

Did you give him some examples of some things

that would be contrary to your common sense?


A.

Right.

A good example is homeless people.

Some

10

people don't even -- aren't conscious of the fact that the

11

homeless can and do register to vote.

12

geographic description rather than a residence address.

13

homeless person might write on their voter registration

14

application residence, description, under the bridge at Fourth

15

and Main.

16

They need it to figure out which precinct to put the voter in.

17

It doesn't have to be a house address.

18

someone's residence.

19

Q.

They provide a
So the

What the voter registrar wants is a geographic spot.

So an open field can be

Give us another example of what could be somebody's

20

residence that would kind of go against what the common-sense

21

thinking would be?

22

A.

Well, RVers.

Got in a dispute, I think in Galveston

23

County.

24

Montgomery County.

25

registrar said these people -- I have 20 voter registration

One of the coastal counties.

It might have been

Anyway, there was a dispute where the voter

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applications and every one of them has listed the office, the

manager's office of an RV park and there's no way that 20

families live inside the manager's office at the RV park.

we hashed it out and our advice was, look, an RVer thinks of

their RV probably as home.

definition of a geographic location.

saying is that out of any place on the planet, if they can pick

a spot that identifies their sense of connection, sort of home

base, it would be this RV park.

And

It's hard to shoehorn that into a


But what these RVers are

Well, it's convenient for them

10

to use the mailing address for the RV park because that's where

11

they pick up their held and forwarded mail.

12

they gas up and things like that.

13

of a residence, but it's the best address that comes closest to

14

matching the feelings that these people have that there is a

15

place they consider home.

16

in the RV and that it moves everywhere, they would never be

17

able to register to vote.

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19
20
21

Q.

And it's where

So it may not seem like much

Otherwise, if we just say they live

Did you discuss with him the Equal Protection Clause

of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution?


A.

I may have in passing.

I mean, equal protection

issues come up in voting cases and --

22

MR. WHITE:

Object as nonresponsive.

23

THE COURT:

Sustained.

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25

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

My question is:

Do you remember

talking to him about voters having equal rights?

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A.

Yeah.

I'm certain I talked about the principal of

one person, one vote -- or one man, one vote, proportional

voting.

Q.

So -And did you talk to him about the same rights a

college student or an RVer has or a military person has or

everybody else has on choosing your residence?

A.

Right.

And that's one problem that the folks in

Prairie View had run into, that, in fact, the State of Texas

had gotten sued over in the past.

10

At one time state law had a

provision that was --

11

MR. WHITE:

Objection, nonresponsive.

12

THE COURT:

Sustained.

13
14

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Did you discuss

those things with Adrian Heath?

15

A.

Yes.

16

Q.

Okay.

17

My question was:

And then you cited the Prairie View case and

went through that with him?

18

A.

Yes.

19

Q.

Okay.

Do you recall -- and of course, we were

20

talking about a specific, I guess, conversation that was in

21

late March of 2010.

22

second phone conversation that we talked about.

23

another phone conversation after that with Adrian?

24
25

A.

Did you have -- and I think there was a


Was there

Well, I know that there was a conversation I had

sometime after the trial court issued its decision in the

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election contest.
Q.

Well, I'm only talking about the conversations you

had with him on or before May the 8th, 2010, and before he cast

the vote?

5
6
7
8

A.

Yeah, I don't remember specifically.

might have been one other call.


Q.

Was there a call in which you discussed with him DEA

agents voting from an office?

9
10

I think there

MR. WHITE:

Objection.

Relevance to this

subject matter.

11

MR. WRIGHT:

Your Honor, it's to show what my

12

client was informed of to show his state of mind in deciding to

13

go register to vote.

14

THE COURT:

15

MR. WRIGHT:

16

THE COURT:

17

look at something.

18

it's 6.

Can you-all pass me the -Okay.


-- certain exhibits.

I'm going to

The voter registration document.

There's a group of them.

I think

They're collective.

19

MR. WRIGHT:

20

(Bench conference outside the presence of the

21
22

This is all of them, I think.

jury.)
THE COURT:

This is dated 3/5/10.

Okay.

23

There's an application that the Defendant submitted here for

24

voting purposes dated 3/5/10.

25

residence on that day and he is saying his residence -- I mean,

Now, he has committed to his

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isn't the relevancy now, I mean, he has committed himself on a

document that is subject to criminal sanctions because it

says -- this other discussion after this, is that important or

is it -- I mean, hasn't he made a decision up at this point and

if it's either wrong or right.

MR. WRIGHT:

We're guessing about the dates of

the conversations, the phone conversations.

time the e-mails, but we weren't sure.

exactly the date.

And I'm trying to

He doesn't remember

And I think that it's relevant because even

10

if you fill out a form, if you haven't voted yet, you can go

11

change it or you cannot vote.

12
13

THE COURT:

But doesn't that show your intent

right here by this document if it's right or wrong?

14

MR. WRIGHT:

It does at that point.

But you're

15

supposed to look at the date of the -- you're supposed to look

16

at the date of the vote.

17

THE COURT:

But if this is false and it's

18

subject to criminal prosecution, if it's false, I mean, isn't

19

that addressing directly the element and how do you unring this

20

bell?

21
22

MR. WRIGHT:

class A misdemeanor a false statement.

23
24
25

Well, if you're prosecuting for

THE COURT:

Doesn't that go to the intent?

mean -MR. WRIGHT:

Yeah.

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THE COURT:

we're talking about, if it's after this date, what's the point?

3
4

Isn't all that discussion, what

MR. WRIGHT:

Well, I'm sure it was before the

date.

THE COURT:

MR. GLICKLER:

I just -- all right.

That's not the question that's

been asked and that's not the impression that's been left.

8
9

Okay.

MR. WRIGHT:

They get to cross-examine about

that.

10

THE COURT:

11

(End of bench conference.)

12

THE COURT:

13

Okay.

Thank you, ladies and

gentlemen, for bearing with us.

14
15

Yeah.

Go ahead.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Mr. Kulhavy, I want to go back to

16

your discussion that you had with Mr. Heath about the Secretary

17

of State's opinion.

18

bottom.

19

about an applicant filling out a voter registration form is not

20

required to state the residence to be his or her home forever.

21

Do you see that part?

And I believe it's on Page 7, near the

And you say that -- the last full paragraph talks

22

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

For the next five years or even the next year,

24
25

correct?
A.

Yes.

That's right.

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Q.

And then it goes on and says, "The applicant is only

required for administrative reasons to submit the application

30 days before the election in which there is a vote"?

A.

Yes.

Q.

What is that administrative reasons they're talking

about as far as telling where you live on your voter

registration?

A.

Well, 30 days is sort of a statutory window that

gives the voter registrar time to do the physical work of data

10

entry.

11

registration -- or you've registered to vote on a particular

12

day, it becomes effective 30 days after the date it's

13

postmarked or received by the voter registrar.

14
15
16

Q.

So effectively, Texas doesn't make a voter

Okay.

So what is that saying about your having to be

living there on the time that you fill out your card?
A.

Well, we get away from phrases like "living there."

17

And we would just emphasize that the person is claiming

18

permanent residence at that location.

19

the problem of vagueness that comes as part of the definition

20

of domicile.

21

Q.

Since living there has

So basically, then, when the election code says

22

residence means domicile that is one's home and physical place

23

of habitation to which one intends to return after a temporary

24

absence, the way we think of the word "home," you're telling

25

Mr. Heath in these phone conversations that doesn't necessarily

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mean it's your home?

A.

Right.

Q.

Where your car and your dog is?

MR. WHITE:

A.

Right.

6
7

Objection, leading question.

Or it doesn't mean a house.

THE COURT:

It is leading.

He's answered,

though.

Go ahead.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

All right.

So did you ever talk to

10

Mr. Heath before that May 8th, 2010 election, did you ever talk

11

to him or tell him you cannot vote from a hotel?

12
13

A.

Q.

Did you discuss with him his registering to vote from

a hotel location?

16
17

In fact, lots of people, say transients,

regularly register to vote at motels or hotels.

14
15

No.

A.

I probably said something like if you regard a hotel

as --

18

MR. WHITE:

I'm going to object to "probably."

19

THE COURT:

Sustained.

20
21

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, what is your best recollection

in discussing with him his idea to register at a hotel?

22

THE COURT:

Well, first of all, the question was

23

did you discuss -- did you discuss that matter with him and

24

that calls for a yes-or-no answer.

25

A.

Yes.

I think so.

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2
3
4
5

THE COURT:

All right.

Now we can go next.

Go

ahead.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

And so what did you tell him about

registering at a hotel and voting from a hotel?


A.

That it is like asserting any residence, but if that

reflects a person's intent and physical presence, then

presumably that is their residence, presumptively that is their

residence.

Q.

For voting purposes?

10

A.

For voting purposes.

11

Q.

Okay.

12

that, Adrian?

13

A.

14

All right.

Did you tell him, no, you can't do

I don't think I said anything like that.

would ask questions like that --

15

MR. WHITE:

Objection --

16

THE COURT:

Sustained.

17

I mean, he had answered

the question.

18
19

When voters

MR. WRIGHT:

Yes.

I pass the witness at this

time, Your Honor.

20

CROSS-EXAMINATION

21

BY MR. WHITE:

22

Q.

Mr. Kulhavy, when you discuss issues like residency

23

with people that call in, are you careful and are you measured

24

in the information that you give them?

25

A.

Yes.

One problem is that because residency is easily

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misunderstood and because it tends to be a flash point of

controversy, it becomes habitual for all of the attorneys at

the Secretary of State's office to kind of be careful what we

say about residence.

saying, I don't think my neighbor really lives here, then we

err on the side of, hey, it's -- you can contest your

neighbor's residence, but let me let you know that the

definition of residence isn't necessarily what you think it is.

But I also did the opposite --

10

Q.

So when we get the call from someone

If I could jump in and ask you about Mr. Heath,

11

specifically in your conversations with him.

12

not to give him the impression that whatever it is that he was

13

planning to do, that he was A-okay because you've got this case

14

here and this case here and this type of person here and this

15

category of person that may be transient, that sort of thing.

16

Were you careful about that?

17

A.

I believe so.

Were you careful

Because one of -- one of the problems

18

is that -- and I would tell voters this, there is a presumption

19

in favor of you're telling the truth when you swear to

20

something.

21

sign any affidavit.

22

I would sometimes bluntly tell people, do not lie on your voter

23

registration application.

24

else, you see language printed on the application itself

25

warning the voter that they can be subject to criminal

For instance, when you offer testimony, when you


But that presumption can be overcome.

You can be -- because if nothing

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prosecution if they swear falsely on that document.

Q.

Do you recall if you told that to Mr. Heath?

A.

I don't remember the details of the conversation, but

I know that I would tell that to any voter who called with a

question.

Q.

And in regard to telling someone like Mr. Heath -- or

Mr. Heath specifically, talking to him about the presumption of

a voter's intent and that having a lot of weight, is it

possible that you gave him the idea that he could just say that

10

he lives somewhere and not have to deal with the consequences

11

of it because of that presumption?

12

A.

If I gave that impression, that was not my intent

13

because -- and this is -- and sometimes people would have

14

selective hearing.

15

me I can just claim I live anywhere.

16

back them up.

17

anywhere.

18

application, the fact that you're living somewhere that another

19

person might not think of as a house doesn't mean it isn't your

20

residence.

21

you live.

22
23
24
25

Q.

No.

Angry person would say, so you're telling


And I back up -- I try to

I'm not saying you can just say you live

I'm saying that if you swear the truth on this

But I am not saying that you can just make up where

Do you actually have to live somewhere to claim your

residence?
A.

That you kind of have that physical locus.

And

duration is not dispositive, but it is an element that a finder

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of fact can consider in deciding whether somebody is or isn't a

resident -- is or isn't a resident for voting purposes.

Q.

Okay.

So, for example, if I came from Austin to

Conroe and I stayed in a Holiday Inn for a week and then I went

back to Austin, could I claim a residence in Conroe if I never

went back to that hotel?

A.

Well, let's say you came to Austin -- you came to

Conroe for a week.

You registered to vote in Conroe.

You came

back to Austin and then you voted by mail in the Conroe

10

election, a losing candidate files an election contest, and

11

among other things claims that it was material that you voted

12

in the election, but weren't eligible to do so.

13

would, in effect, ask did you move back to Austin temporarily

14

with the sincere intention that at that point Conroe had become

15

your permanent residence.

16

yeah, I considered Conroe my permanent residence, but -- and so

17

that's an element.

18

you were in Conroe compared to how long you were in Austin.

19

So a court

Now, as the voter, you would say,

That's one fact.

Another fact is how long

Another fact is whether there is some

20

involuntary reason why you had to go back to Austin or, for

21

instance, you know, Conroe -- a bunch of evidence builds up.

22

You're telling all your friends, I love Conroe.

23

live here from now on.

24

got to sale my house, but I have moved all my stuff down to

25

Conroe.

I'm going to

I just have to go back and sale my -- I

So a court's going to ask what is it about putting

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down Conroe as your residence that's backed up by the way you

acted after you wrote, I live in Conroe.

but --

Q.

The fact that it --

Let me interrupt you right there.

thorough answer.

Exhibit 7.

Mr. Adrian Heath.

his residence address.

puts 9333 Six Pines.

I appreciate that

What I'm going to do is direct you to State's

And this is the voter registration change form for

10

And on this form he listed 9333 Six Pines as


Where it describes where you live, he
And signs it on March 5th, 2010.

Did he ever ask you is this okay for me to do?

11

By the way, I've never stayed at that hotel one night.

12

okay for me to do?

13

A.

Is this

Did he ask you that?

No, I don't think so.

And when we get that question,

14

we would say it's okay to do, assuming you have told the truth.

15

I mean, it's okay to do assuming that that residence address is

16

the place that you consider home.

17
18
19
20
21

Q.

Okay.

Well, can you claim a residence of someplace

you've never been?


A.

No.

You have to -- you have to have a physical

connection to a place of some kind.


Q.

Okay.

So if I never had a physical connection with a

22

place, I put that down as my residence address and sign this

23

form, would I have committed perjury?

24
25

A.

Well, I guess whether you committed perjury or not

goes to the elements of perjury.

So I can't say for sure that

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that's perjury.

Q.

Would I have lied on the form?

A.

You would have made a false -- or you would have made

a statement that wasn't true on the form if you claim to live

somewhere that you've never physically been.

6
7

Q.

Did Mr. Heath ever tell you he was planning on

staying in a hotel for one night just to vote in an election?

8
9

Okay.

A.
a hotel.

I'm pretty sure he told me something about staying in


I can't remember if it was before or after the

10

election.

But I emphasize -- I mean, basically I responded the

11

same way as to your hypothetical, that staying one night in a

12

hotel, I cannot say whether that makes that your residence or

13

not.

14

of State's office have no legal authority to make findings of

15

fact based on statements made by the people who call.

I can say that, in fact, the attorneys of the Secretary

16

Q.

So he was aware of the scope of your --

17

A.

Yeah.

I mean, what we would in tend to say is if the

18

facts that you're telling me are true as you have described

19

them, then you have asserted that that is your residence.

20

Well, we don't have any fact-finding authority.

21

say it's your residence, that's good for what it is.

22

Q.

So your authority is limited?

23

A.

Right, right.

24

Q.

And you let him know that?

25

A.

Yeah.

So, okay, you

And I told people and told -- and I'm sure I

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told Mr. Heath that the Secretary of State's office cannot find

facts.

judicial role.

fact-finding authority and that's by prudent design because

there is no legislator who would have ever given fact-finding

authority to nonpartisan election office.

is too great.

Q.

They're unlike a regulatory agency that has a quasi


The election division explicitly has no

The risk of misuse

I want to ask you a question about domiciliary.

a person have domiciliary intent if they go to a place solely

10

for the purpose of voting there and for no other reason and

11

then they leave?

12

Does

A.

Would that be domiciliary intent?

Well, I think they'd have a tough time arguing that,

13

because they look back at the definition of residence and it's

14

your permanent place of habitation, the place that you will

15

return to after any absence.

16

signed up here because I wanted to.

17

then I'm there.

18

So if somebody said, well, I


I picked that spot and

What does that sound like?


THE COURT:

Let me just correct something.

It

19

would be after any temporary absence is what the law states,

20

correct?

21

word "temporary" and that's part of the statute.

He said after any absence.

22

THE WITNESS:

23

MR. WRIGHT:

24

not in the statute either.

25

THE COURT:

He didn't include the

Right, right.
He also said permanent and that's

All right.

Because we want to make

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sure that this jury is focused on what's accurate and part of

the law and every word in the law can be important.

3
4

Okay.

Thank you.
Q.

(BY MR. WHITE)

You gave the example about Quanah

earlier.

purpose of voting for your brother-in-law and came back home.

Is that an example of domiciliary intent?

8
9

A.

If you went to Quanah for one night only for the

No, no.

Because if I said, well, the reason why I

went to Quanah, I cast this vote because it's really important

10

for my brother, I really had to do this, the response to that

11

would be, well, that's totally irrelevant.

12

why -- the fact that you claimed residence there for a reason

13

other than the fact that you considered it your home means you

14

didn't have domiciliary intent.

15

you really need to think of it as the place that you live

16

permanently.

17

of any length, but it's -- even those military voters who are

18

away from home for 30 years still at least adhere to the form

19

of describing that as a temporary absence.

20

temporary absence, you're not committing yourself to living in

21

a place that no longer exists.

22

residence later.

23

intend that this place is my home, this place is where I'll

24

return.

25

Q.

It doesn't matter

To think of the place as home,

You can be absent from it and your absence can be

Okay.

And when we say

You can always change your

You're just saying as of this moment, I

Did Mr. Heath ever ask you, hey, I'm going to

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go stay in a hotel to vote in this election, that's it, did he

ever ask you if that's okay, if it would be okay in a court of

law?

A.

I don't recall him asking that.

Q.

Okay.

Would you have given the impression to him

that that would be okay?

A.

I would certainly try hard not to give that

impression to anybody who called.

prosecution, it just doesn't -- if I left that impression, then

10

it would be a fault, it would not be at all what I intended the

11

impression to be.

12

THE COURT:

13
14
15
16

Q.

(BY MR. WHITE)

A.

Yes.

Next question.
That's why we're here today, isn't

it?
As far as I know, that's one of the central

issues in this case.

17

MR. WHITE:

18

MR. WRIGHT:

19
20
21

Because the risk of

Pass the witness.


If I may, Your Honor?

REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

Well, didn't you -- in fact, when Adrian told you

22

that under Mills v. Bartlett that he wanted to register at the

23

Residence Inn that, quote, you can do that and I would love to

24

see the look on their face if you did?

25

A.

I can't -- I don't really -- I have to say I don't

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remember the specifics of most of the phone calls other than

the last one that's been kind of forcefully -- I've been

forcefully reminded of.

in the context of, you know, that has to be your -- there has

to be truth in your domiciliary statement.

Q.

But if I said that, I hope that it was

Well, you did have a conversation a lot later in

which that wasn't the opinion expressed to Adrian, isn't that

true?

MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance to a

10

conversation that happened far too late to be relevant to the

11

issue.

12
13

Q.

THE COURT:

Can you give the context of time?

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, I guess it was in August of

14

2012 conversation that you had with Mr. Heath about registering

15

and voting from the Residence Inn?

16
17

MR. WHITE:

I'll object to the relevance of

THE COURT:

Okay.

August, 2012.

18

What would be the relevance

19

for the charge of committing a crime in 2010?

20

already rung at this time, in 2012?

Hasn't the bell

21

MR. WRIGHT:

22

THE COURT:

But what does it have to do with the

MR. WRIGHT:

Well, what has been solicited from

23
24
25

If we may approach, Your Honor.

intent element?

him by the State and what he has answered them now is different

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than what he said in August of 2012 to Mr. Heath about it.

2
3

THE COURT:

I'll let him explore

this area.

4
5

Overruled.

Go ahead.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

So what did you tell Mr. Heath in

your phone conversation of 2012, August of 2012, about his

voting from the Residence Inn in the RUD election?

8
9

A.

trial court decision in the election contest.

10
11
12

Oh, I was to deeply frustrated with the form of the

THE COURT:

The question is what did you tell

him, sir.
A.

So I told him that it was not appropriate for the

13

judge or for anybody at RUD to say presumptively that he

14

couldn't have lived in a hotel.

15

the effect that that sort of precedent would have on tens of

16

thousands of voters.

17

immoderate in the way that I talked about that trial court

18

decision.

19

failed to show it's --

I was deeply concerned about

And I was pretty blunt and pretty

I really thought and think that the trial court

20

MR. WHITE:

Objection, nonresponsive.

21

THE COURT:

Sustained.

You've made your --

22

A.

That's what I was saying to Adrian.

23

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

24
25

Okay.

So what words did you tell

Adrian about his having voted from the Residence Inn?


MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance.

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THE COURT:

Sustained at this point.

I mean,

this is 2012 now and it seems like the context of the

discussion doesn't have anything to do with the relevance of

what the Defendant's intent was at the time of the event in

question.

6
7

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

Who is "he"?
Mr. Kulhavy indicates he would have

told Adrian it was the wrong thing to do, basically.

11

THE COURT:

12

MR. WRIGHT:

At the time of the event?


Actually, what he is saying -- and

13

obviously 2012, he's not saying that.

14

different to Adrian.

15

They have elicited

from him that he was -- he indicates that --

10

No, Your Honor.

THE COURT:

He's saying something

In all due respect, I think he's

16

commenting upon another court's determination and how that

17

determination was made on facts and issues that this court --

18

it's apples and oranges.

19

the decision based upon the information in this --

20
21

And this jury is going to be making

MR. WRIGHT:

What I want to elicit from him, I

don't care what that court and all that was.

22

THE COURT:

23

MR. WRIGHT:

Yes, sir.
I just want to elicit from him that

24

in his conversation he had as recently as August of 2012, he

25

still was affirming what Mr. Heath had done in registering and

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voting from the Residence Inn.

I just asked that question.

THE COURT:

All right.

MR. WHITE:

That's not what he did or said.

THE COURT:

You have an opportunity for recross.

Go ahead.

You can ask that question.

Q.

Mr. Kulhavy?

A.

Yeah.

Q.

Let me put it this way so it can be more yes or no.

10

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I'll let you.

But --

THE COURT:

11

Q.

Did you understand the question,

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Thank you.
You were basically in that

12

conversation in August of 2012 affirming that it was okay for

13

him and these other people to have voted from the Residence

14

Inn?

15

not?

16

At least that was your feeling in August of 2012, was it

A.

That it was -- yeah.

That it was not -- you could

17

not presumptively say that they weren't residence of the RUD.

18

I couldn't presumptively say that they were not residents of

19

the RUD.

20

Q.

So when you were telling him -- the

21

cross-examination, then, from the assistant attorney general

22

here, you were leaving the impression that you tried to warn or

23

tell Adrian that he couldn't do that, you never really gave him

24

that impression in your conversations before he voted, did you?

25

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

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THE COURT:

You can rephrase.

3
4

Q.

A.

I don't know what impression I gave.

Q.

Okay.

That answers the question for me if you don't

THE COURT:

10

MR. WRIGHT:

Anything else?
If I can approach the Court

Reporter here.

12
13

I know that

know.

11

Did you ever give him the impression

I --

7
8

It's leading.

that he was going to violate the law?

5
6

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Sustained.

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Okay.
I want to show you, again,

14

Defendant's Exhibit Number 4.

You were testifying a minute

15

ago -- or a few minutes ago about a person's residence meaning

16

a domicile.

17

attorney general's office?

And you were using the word "permanent" with the

18

A.

Right.

19

Q.

Now is that in the definition?

20

A.

No.

21
22
23

It describes it as one's home and fixed place of

habitation.
Q.

Okay.

And so was permanent ever in the definition of

residence?

24

A.

Not as far as I know.

25

Q.

Okay.

And were you aware it was removed in 1991?

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2

THE COURT:

Hold on.

In all fairness, that's

not the complete answer to that law, is it, on that --

THE WITNESS:

THE COURT:

Right.

Okay.

And I'm going to be

instructing the jury on what the law is, so let's make sure

that they're not confused.

domicile, that is one's home and fixed place of habitation.

And that's where he ended.

that sentence.

10
11

But you said residence means

And there's still something more to

THE WITNESS:

Right.

To which one intends to

return after any temporary absence.

12

THE COURT:

So we're clear.

13

THE WITNESS:

The reason why the word

14

"permanent" comes in is because it distinguishes it from the

15

temporary.

16

temporary or you can consider your absence from a place

17

permanent.

18

Q.

You can either consider your absence from a place

So -(BY MR. WRIGHT)

But you already told Adrian that

19

there is no time limit, time restriction on how long you have

20

to stay at a place, right?

21

A.

22
23

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading and asked and

THE COURT:

Sustained.

answered.

24
25

Right.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Also, there was a -- on the voter

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registration card --

2
3

MR. GLICKLER:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

States 7.

Okay.

Where it says down here on

the bottom that you're swearing to things, okay, and it says

that you're supposed to please read all three statements to

affirm before signing.

Doesn't it say that?

A.

Yes, that's right.

Q.

Okay.

And so can you read those for the jury?

A.

Yeah.

The three statements are, I am a resident of

10

this county and a U.S. citizen.

11

convicted of a felony or, if a felon, I have completed all of

12

my punishment, including any term of incarceration, parole,

13

supervision, period of probation or have been pardoned, and I

14

have not been determined by a final judgment in a court

15

exercising probate jurisdiction to be totally mentally

16

incapacitated or partially mentally incapacitated without the

17

right to vote.

18
19

Q.

I have not been finally

So do those three statements say that my residence

for voting purposes is what I put on this form?

20

A.

Well --

21

Q.

It doesn't say that, does it?

22

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

23

THE COURT:

Sustained.

24
25

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Does it say that I have identified

the home where I live in on this form?

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THE COURT:

A.

Well --

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Does he need to go down or up?

There's three things when you're

signing that you affirm those three things right there,

correct?

A.

Right.

Q.

So why doesn't that form -- if you know from your

years at the Secretary of State's office, why doesn't it say

that you're also affirming that what I'm listing as my

10
11

residence is where I live, my permanent domicile?


A.

It's the paragraph just above that affirmation where

12

the voter, by signing, is saying I understand that any false

13

statement I make on this application may result in criminal

14

prosecution.

15

to be -- and all of the information provided on the application

16

is being sworn to as being true.

17
18

Q.

And so the whole of the application is considered

But it uses the word "residence" and not "domicile,"

doesn't it?

19

A.

That's right.

20

Q.

Okay.

Now, last question I have is:

On that form --

21

well, I guess I can put it back up.

But on that form, it's

22

dated at least 30 days before the election.

23

the 5th or something like that.

24

whatever you list as your residence, you have to be physically

25

present there on the day you fill out your voter registration

I think it's March

So did you tell Adrian that

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application?

A.

No.

Q.

Why wouldn't you have told him that?

A.

Because from my perspective, it's -- it's irrelevant

I wouldn't have said that.

where he physically is when he fills out his application.

What's important is what is his state of mind regarding his

domicile.

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9

Q.

Okay.

Do you know why the word "domicile" is not put

on that registration card, if you know?

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A.

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peculiarity.

12

and stick it into a statutory definition of residence.

13

residence is usually considered to -- I mean, as a general

14

legal term, residence just refers to where you happen to be

15

living right now.

16

statute that defines it for purposes of voting as being your

17

domicile.

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19
20

Q.

The statutory definition -- it's a drafting


You take the common-law definition of domicile

understand that?
A.

Well, yeah.
MR. WHITE:

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Objection.

Is there a question, or

is it leading?

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24

So it gets a peculiar meaning because of a

And the average ordinary voter is supposed to

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22

But

MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I'm asking.
Is that why there's a hotline for

people to call?

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A.

That's why the back of the certificate says, for any

questions, call the Secretary of State's office.


Q.

Okay.

And that's what Mr. Heath did in this case,

correct?
A.

Yes.

MR. WRIGHT:

Pass the witness.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION

BY MR. WHITE:

Q.

I'm going to refer you to State's Exhibit 7, here in

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Box 3 where it says "residence address."

11

rest of that for us, please?

Could you read the

12

A.

13

number.

14

P.O. box, rural route, or business address."

15

underneath it's typed in 9333 Six Pines.

16

Q.

17

"Residence address, street address and apartment


If none, describe where you live.

Do not include
And then

Thank you.
Now, Mr. Wright brought up your opinion on a

18

court decision and you said that you weren't happy because you

19

didn't believe that you could presumptively say that someone

20

does not live somewhere.

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you have to look at the facts.

22

say that, but you have to look at facts?

And is that because you believe that


You can't just presumptively

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A.

Right, right.

24

Q.

And once those facts were actually looked at and the

25

court included those in its decision, were you happy with that

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decision?
A.

Actually, I was -- on reading the appellate court

decision, the appellate court's findings of fact, I think went

through the elements that were considered in determining

whether the election was properly contested or not.

thought the appellate court successfully showed its work,

basically, by showing the facts that weighed against residence.

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9

Q.

So I

And just to backtrack one step, the Secretary of

State doesn't determine the residence of a voter, correct?

10

A.

Right.

11

Q.

And neither does a voter registrar, correct?

12

A.

Right.

13

Q.

Okay.

In fact, they have to presume that the voter

14

is truthful and register them to vote and send them a card,

15

right?

16

A.

Yeah, absolutely.

17

Q.

Okay.

18

Now, a court is the only entity that can

determine residence; is that correct?

19

A.

Right.

20

Q.

And that would include this court, correct?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

And that would include a judge or a jury, depending

23

on the type of trial, correct?

24

A.

Right, right.

25

Q.

Okay.

And when a court makes its decision, it bases

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its decision on the circumstances surrounding the person

involved and the true intention of that individual.

correct?

A.

That's true.

Is that

So the assumption is in an adversary

setting, both sides are going to present as -- all of the

evidence they have that supports their view of the question of

residence.

in and weigh it.

contest cases, they will go through 20 or 30 voters and they

10

will say Mr. Smith lived at the home for six months, but was

11

taken ill and taken to a nursing home.

12

into fine-grain detail trying to suss out all of the

13

circumstantial evidence that might open a window onto a

14

person's state of mind.

15

Q.

And the court is going to take all of that evidence

Okay.

And you see in a lot of the older election

I mean, they will go

There are some categories of individuals that

16

present some challenges in determining residence such as

17

snowbirds, RV enthusiasts, four-year college students,

18

soldiers, people like that.

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20

Is Adrian Heath any of those people, to your


knowledge?

21

A.

No, not as far as I know.

22

Q.

Okay.

23

And in talking with Adrian Heath, did he ever

ask you to sign off on his plan?

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A.

No, I don't think so.

25

Q.

And if he had, would you?

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A.

No.

I know that I made very strong statements of

opinion about the RUD, but I didn't -- I certainly would be

horrified to think that I would have told any voter to

misrepresent their intent.

their intent as given to me.

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Q.

I mean, I'll accept the truth of


And --

So what you're saying is it's not your job to

question intent?

A.

Right, right.

Q.

So you would have never recommended to someone that

10

they put a false intent out there --

11

A.

No.

12

Q.

And sincere in terms of being a domiciliary intent,

13
14

I would make clear the intent has to be sincere.

to make a place one's home?


A.

Right.

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MR. WHITE:

I pass the witness.

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THE COURT:

Anything else?

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

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21
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Yes, Your Honor.


Go ahead.

FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION


BY MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

Mr. Kulhavy, the August 2012 phone conversation was

recorded, was it not?

23

A.

Yes, that's right.

24

Q.

In which you were expressing your opinion about

25

Mr. Heath's behavior and the others, correct?

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A.

Right.

Q.

And in that conversation, your attitude is quite a

bit different than what you're telling the jury today about

their behavior in retrospect, isn't it?

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MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance.

August 2012.

Do we need to approach?

THE COURT:

(Bench conference outside the presence of the

Come on.

jury.)

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MR. WRIGHT:

Judge, the way he's responded --

11

it's about an hour, like 50 minutes.

12

was telling him basically that, you know, dirty judge, dirty

13

developers.

14

they had done and he was approving of what they had done and

15

it's the opposite of what they just got him to say here today.

16

Now, my suggestion might be -- well, I don't know, you might

17

want to play it without the jury here so you can screen it.

18

don't know.

19

All this stuff.

And he is telling -- he

And he was laughing about what

I've listened to it once.


MR. GLICKLER:

Judge, this recording is five

20

months after Mr. Heath has been indicted.

This is two years

21

after the appellate court's decision.

22

this issue before this court, which is the voter's intent on

23

May 8, 2010.

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developers that are corrupt, that's not relevant and to any

25

extent that any of it would be relevant.

This is not relevant to

Additionally, anything about the RUD and the

He has admitted that

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his attitude on that phone call was different and based on

certain things.

extremely prejudicial to all other issues in this court.

All of that other information would be

MR. WRIGHT:

See, our whole case is, Judge, he

had this attitude with my client on the phone in these

conversations.

see the look on their face.

Yeah, you can vote from there.


All that --

MR. GLICKLER:

MR. WRIGHT:

10

I would have cautioned him.

11

not true.

I would like to

He admitted that.
Now, they just got him to say, no,
I wouldn't have done that.

That's

He's got the same attitude in this phone call.

12

THE COURT:

The circumstances of 2012 sounds

13

as -- I may draw a fair inference of him commenting on that

14

decision, not the civil court, which is samples and/or ranges.

15

Really, I've let that one go.

16

really beyond the scope of any testimony that ought to be

17

allowed in here or approving what a court does.

18

people are making independent determinations.

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20

MR. WRIGHT:

But chastising the court is

Again, those

I didn't want it to come in for

that reason.

21

THE COURT:

But I'm going to sustain the

22

objection as being irrelevant based on the circumstances in the

23

record.

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25

But if you want to ask him some more questions -MR. WRIGHT:

Then I would like to tender this,

Judge, and maybe have the Court listen to it.

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THE COURT:
what it says.

For what purpose?

You proffered

But I believe that -MR. WRIGHT:

To show his attitude that he had

with my client that caused my client to think it was okay to do

this.

MR. GLICKLER:

MR. WRIGHT:

In 2012 -And this -- no.

But I'm saying

this is the same attitude in 2012 now that he's been fired.

After this recording, he was fired.

10

unemployment, so he's changed his story.

11
12

They are fighting his

MR. GLICKLER:

Your Honor -- I'm not going to

allow the record to have that.

13

THE COURT:

But he may or may not have, but the

14

circumstances are all different.

15

think the jury needs to know what the position of the

16

circumstances were at the time of the event or afterwards if

17

there is an intent issue because sometimes you can do something

18

after an event, run from the crime scene that is relevant.

19

MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

The act that was done, I

Here's -- here's -But this guy's opinion in 2012 from

21

what I've heard is no longer relevant for the issues in this

22

trial.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

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What it did -And this person is editorializing of

his feelings and you know how it goes.

Every time you ask him

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what time it is, he is telling you how you would make a clock.

God bless him.

MR. WRIGHT:

Here's my point --

THE COURT:

I've made my ruling.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

You can proffer the recording into

the record.

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9

The point is, Judge --

MR. WRIGHT:

Consider it this way.

He has been

fired and they're denying his unemployment, so he will testify

10

more favorably to the State.

11

MR. GLICKLER:

12

to that.

13

it's not true.

Your Honor, I'm going to object

This is the personal reputation of the attorneys and

14

THE COURT:

Again, I've made --

15

MR. GLICKLER:

And when the attorneys in this

16

case got -- I want to defend my -- that for one second.

17

the attorneys -- when me and Mr. White got ready for this trial

18

this week, we called the Secretary of State's office looking

19

for Kulhavy.

20

unemployment.

21
22
23

When

We didn't know anything about his firing or

MR. WRIGHT:

He tells me the AG is fighting his

unemployment.
THE COURT:

Again, there's nothing your saying

24

suggesting that these prosecutors or representatives of the

25

State are doing anything in that regard.

Remember --

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MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

I know.

THE COURT:

All right.

sustained.

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7

Remember, this is your witness.

Okay.

I would like to have this

marked as a bill.
THE COURT:
day.

We'll do it after, at the end of the

Thank you.

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(End bench conference.)

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THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

13

Anything else?
Well, just one question in

follow-up.

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15

And the objection is

Let's move forward.

MR. WRIGHT:

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Okay.

That's why he changed his attitude.

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Yes, sir.
Suffice to say that your attitude

16

about -- in recalling your conversations and about what these

17

ten voters did voting from a hotel was very different in the

18

conversation you had in August 2012 with Mr. Heath, again,

19

about what they had done and what you had given to the State --

20

the prosecutors today?

21

A.

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23
24
25

Well, there's -- Adrian or Mr. Heath and I -THE COURT:

Sir, that calls for a yes-or-no

answer and then he can follow it up if he wishes.


A.

The attitude expressed in all the phone calls was

sympathetic to Mr. Heath.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Now, you say "sympathetic," would

that be something Mr. Heath would interpret as approving?

MR. WHITE:

Objection.

THE COURT:

Sustained.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Calls for speculation.

Was it your intention to give him

the impression that you approved of what he and the voters had

done?

8
9

A.

It was not my intention to give that impression.

think that Mr. Heath and I bonded over our --

10

MR. WHITE:

Objection, nonresponsive.

11

THE COURT:

Sustained.

12

Q.

13

conciliatory?

14

A.

Yes, I think so.

15

Q.

Okay.

16

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, was your attitude toward him

And that basically your intent was to comfort

him and let him know that what he did was okay, wasn't it?

17

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

18

THE COURT:

Sustained.

19

You can rephrase the question.

20

Q.

21
22

(BY MR. WRIGHT)


THE COURT:

It's leading.

Well, so -Any time -- any time it ends with

wasn't it, it's going to be a leading question.

23

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

So your attitude was different than

24

what you expressed in the courtroom in your conversation with

25

him?

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MR. WHITE:

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

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4

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.
What was your attitude?
Objection to the sidebar statement

prior to the question.

THE COURT:

Go ahead.

A.

Overruled.

The attitude I had in all the phone conversations

with Mr. Heath was sympathetic and supportive based on my

own -- and with respect to the RUD district's handling of its

10

elections.

11
12

Q.

Okay.

So you're sympathetic and supportive.

you.

13

MR. WRIGHT:

14
BY MR. WHITE:

16

Q.

Do two wrongs make a right?

17

MR. WRIGHT:

Objection.

Not relevant.

THE COURT:

You can throw in argumentative

there, too.

21

It's sustained.

22

You can ask your next question.

23

MR. WHITE:

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25

Calling

for speculation.

19
20

I pass the witness.

FURTHER CROSS-EXAMINATION

15

18

Thank

I had something else, but it's gone

on long enough that I have forgotten.


THE COURT:

So no further questions.

Can he be released?

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MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

All right.

THE WITNESS:

THE COURT:

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

(Witness is sworn.)

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THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

12

Thank you.

Call your next witness.


Carol Gaultney.
Come on down.

Please have a seat.

Thank you.

If I may proceed, Your Honor?

CAROL GAULTNEY,
having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:

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15

Sir, you are released.

Thank you.

13

He has

to get back out of town.

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4

Yes, he could be released.

DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:

16

Q.

Could you tell the jury where it is you reside now?

17

A.

Currently in San Marcos, Texas, and also in Beaumont,

18

Texas.

19

Q.

So you have two residences, huh?

20

A.

Correct.

21

Q.

And I understand you are retired now?

22

A.

From election administrator, yeah.

23

Q.

How long were you -- well, tell the jury what your

24
25

position was with regard to elections in Montgomery County?


A.

The Montgomery County elections administrator and

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federal registrar.

Q.

How long did you have that position, from when to

A.

May 2001 until September 2011.

Q.

And can you describe for the jury what your duties

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7

when?

were as the election administrator?


A.

It was as voter registrar for the county and we

conducted elections for the county and the job increased over

that ten years with the implementation of electronic equipment

10

to doing elections for a lot of the over 100 entities that are

11

in the county.

We did joint elections with them.

12

Q.

All right.

13

A.

Yes.

14
15
16

So you would conduct elections, right?

MR. WHITE:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Objection, leading.
What else did you do besides conduct

elections?

17

A.

I did the federal registration for the county.

18

Q.

All right.

19

A.

It entailed processing administratively all the voter

What did that entail?

20

registration cards that came in, cancellations, sending out

21

voter registration cards every two years, making lists for

22

entities that they did their own elections for their elections,

23

getting voter registrations for our elections.

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25

Q.

Okay.

Do you recall election preparations, I

guess -- or the time before the RUD, late May 2010 road utility

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elections in The Woodlands?


A.

Do I recall -- yes.

We were doing 28 elections in

March, April, May, June.

doing the elections that we conducted to -- were contracted to

conduct.

Q.

Okay.

A.

No.

Q.

Okay.

So we were working around the clock

Did your office conduct the RUD election?

But some issues came up about that election;

is that correct?

10

A.

Correct.

11

Q.

When do you first recall there -- well, first of all,

12

do you know Adrian Heath?

13

A.

I do.

14

Q.

How do you know Mr. Heath?

15

A.

He came in the office on numerous occasions for

16

various things on elections over the years and dealing with him

17

with the public information request and a complaint he had

18

filed on public information.

19

met him.

20
21

Q.

Okay.

A.

Yes.

23

Q.

Okay.

25

So you knew who he was in, I guess, March of

2010; is that correct?

22

24

So I think that's when I first

MR. WRIGHT:

If I may approach the Court

Reporter, Your Honor?

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I want to show you for the record

what's been marked State's Exhibit Number 7.

pages on that.

is a copy of?

A.

Yes.

And one of the

And do you recognize what that piece of paper

It's Mr. Heath's voter registration

application, dated March 5, 2010.

Q.

And is that showing a change of address?

A.

Yes, it is.

Q.

All right.

And do you remember having a discussion

10

with him around that time period about his changing his

11

address?

12

A.

I did at some point.

Now the timeframe is a blur.

13

know he called on the phone about just general questions one

14

time.

There was a time, I don't know if it was around this

15

time.

You know, I'm not sure of the date when we had a

16

discussion on this.

17

Q.

Okay.

But do you recall during, I guess, the winter

18

of 2010, I guess that time period, having a discussion with

19

Mr. Heath about the voter laws and residency?

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

And do you recall what the substance of that

22
23

conversation was?
A.

My first recollection or the first conversation was

24

when he called regarding an article that appeared in Tarrant

25

County and he asked questions about registering a business --

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basically about questions about registration, where you can

register a business.

Secretary of State said and asked me to clarify, if I agree

with that.

and what we can and can't do.

Q.

I believe he told me some things the

And I remember talking to him about the procedures

Okay.

So let me get -- so he told you that he had

already spoken with someone at the Secretary of State's office

about --

A.

That's my recollection.

10

a half years ago.

11

a blur when we're so busy.

12

Q.

But remember it's three and

Each individual conversation, it is sort of

So what I'm trying to get at is what things, then,

13

did you tell him about choosing your residence for voter

14

purposes and things like that?

15

A.

Do you recall?

I just remember -- on the business line, I do

16

remember telling him that what we do is we get an address that

17

we know clearly is a business, we send a letter that was a form

18

from the Secretary of State.

19

address.

20

business and they don't respond, we still register them with

21

that address.

22

complaints, we have had questions about registrations, the only

23

thing we can do as a voter registrar is send a confirmation

24

card.

25

someone's eligibility or residency.

We still register people at that

We cannot challenge the address.

We -- if it's a

I told them that if anyone, you know, had

If there is any issue on residency, we need to question


If they say they live

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there, we have to take that as a statement.

that as a correct statement.

live at a certain address, we cannot challenge that other than

to send a confirmation card if we have any reason to believe an

address has changed.

Q.

Okay.

We have to take

If someone tells us that they

And so was the tone of the conversation -- can

you describe what the tone was of the conversation with

Mr. Heath that you had about voting residence?

A.

The tone.

10

Q.

Friendly, businesslike, was there any laughing, you

A.

I don't remember that.

11

I don't know how to describe tone.

know?

12

You know, I remember that

13

conversation as being, you know, what do we do, the forms, the

14

procedures, what we can and can't do.

15

Q.

All right.

Did you discuss with him or tell him

16

about examples of people that had registered from different

17

locations?

18

A.

I remember a conversation about the special districts

19

and I remember talking about special districts, about MUD

20

formation elections, things like that where -- you know, one or

21

two of the elections we have done, there were two people

22

registered at an address.

23

remember specifically talking about other people, you know,

24

that we had people complain that they didn't reside in the

25

area.

I remember that discussion.

I don't recall that.

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Q.

Well, did you discuss the law with regard to

residency with him?

A.

I did.

Q.

What sort of things did you tell him about the

residency law?

A.

Well, the Secretary of State provides training for an

office.

basically administrators of the voter registration cards.

have training.

We have no enforcement authority.

We're just
They

They have always told us you cannot question

10

residency.

If a voter says they live somewhere, you have to

11

take that at face value.

12

that we're -- you know, we're told by the Secretary of State

13

who does annual training with us, you know, what we can and

14

can't do.

15

So we did discuss that.

I told them

Does that answer your question?

16

Q.

Did you talk to him about the escapee case?

17

A.

The escapee?

18

Q.

In Polk County?

19

A.

I don't remember.

20

Q.

Did you discuss with him the Texas Watchdog article?

21

MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance.

22

THE COURT:

You can answer, do you remember.

23

A.

Okay.

Hearsay.

My recollection is that that's what -- is that

24

was what he first called me about, was an article.

25

same one, the Watchdog.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

The Watchdog?

A.

About the Tarrant County elections.

Q.

So did you discuss that with him?

A.

We did.

Q.

What did you tell him about what happened in Tarrant

County.

MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance.

THE COURT:

Sustained.

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Did that article deal with residency

10

issues in Tarrant County?

11

MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance.

12

THE COURT:

Sustained.

13

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Do you recall receiving that change

14

of address voter application from Mr. Heath around that time

15

period?

16

A.

17

remember him.

18

tried to give it to me, I probably would have told him to give

19

it to our voter registration clerk.

20

for sure.

No.

No.

It would have gone -- I mean, I don't

It was a walk-in.

21

Q.

Okay.

22

A.

I don't --

23
24
25

MR. WRIGHT:

He did walk it in.

If he

But I don't -- I can't say

If I may approach the Court

Reporter, Your Honor?


Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Did you have a discussion with

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Mr. Heath about whether or not there were any voters in this

Woodlands RUD District Number 1?

A.

I don't believe at that point.

I do remember he did

public information requests and asked about voters and that --

that entity was not defined in our database.

have over a hundred entities and it's a long process, very

involved process to get one defined so that we can give them to

registered voters.

As I said, we

Q.

What do you mean by defined in our database?

10

A.

Well, an address -- you know, you might be registered

11

at one address.

12

different precinct.

13

than you do.

14

entities and the intersecting lines, I mean, it can be that

15

close that one neighbor gets a different ballot than another.

16

So we have to define that in our voter database to make sure

17

that every entity that a voter gets a ballot for is on their

18

record.

19

Q.

20

Your neighbor might actually vote at a


They might have a totally different ballot

Your neighbor across the street.

With a hundred

And you had started -- you had taken over the

elections office in 2001; is that correct?

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

Had you run an election for The Woodlands Road

23

Utility District Number 1 since you had been appointed election

24

administrator?

25

A.

No.

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2
3
4
5
6
7

Q.

So to your knowledge, had there been any elections

done for that road district?


A.

There was a request on that and we checked all our

files and we did not find anything about any election for that.
Q.

So did Mr. Heath bring any of that to your attention

in early 2010?
A.

He did.

We discussed -- eventually.

I don't think

it was this initial conversation, but there was eventually

discussions about the RUD.

10

the RUD.

We were also with the attorneys for

They contacted us and said at one point --

11

MR. WHITE:

Objection to hearsay.

12

THE COURT:

Sustained.

13
14

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, without telling us what they

told you -- I guess, what attorney was that?

15

A.

Mike and Mitch Page.

16

Q.

Okay.

So without telling us what they told --

17

without telling us what they told you, what did you do after

18

you talked with them?

19

A.

We -- I was not willing to certify registered voter

20

list with only two voters that they gave me.

They gave me two

21

names.

22

down because we're in the middle of a runoff election, we

23

attempted to define their voters in our database, to try to

24

find out if there were other voters within that RUD district.

25

We had a map that they had given us which wasn't a lot of help.

So we attempted -- even though our system was locked

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So we had to go about getting with the appraisal district and

other entities to try to get the database and see if there were

any other voters within that district.

4
5

MR. WRIGHT:
Honor.

6
7

If I may approach the witness, Your

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Yes.
So what I am showing you is

Defendants Exhibit Number 5.

that certification of voter registrar?

10

A.

Right.

11

Q.

Okay.

12

form exists?

13

A.

And is that your signature on

It's electronic signature.


And can you tell the jury why this letter or

This is what we send to entities that do their own

14

election.

15

actually state forms because -- I forget when it happened, but

16

the State was required to do a statewide voter database.

17

this is the language.

18

county, but it comes through a statewide database.

19

it was in 2006 or '8.

20

It's a form -- the first and third paragraph are

So

We do all the voter registration for our


I believe

Not sure.

So this language, except for the middle

21

paragraph, is language on the state form that we put on -- this

22

is a certification of all the registered voters.

23

is doing their own election like a MUD, we will -- before their

24

election, before early voting, we will give them their list of

25

registered voters.

So if someone

If it's not defined in our database,

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normally what we do is give them the entire voting precincts'

names and it's up to the election judge conducting the election

to define and try to find the voters.

4
5

MR. WRIGHT:

If I may approach the witness

again?

THE COURT:

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

You may.
So what you did is you gave them the

list -- and I counted this before, it's 24 voters.

look about right?

Does that

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

And did you read the names on that before you sent

12

that over to the RUD?

13

A.

Yes, I did.

14

Q.

Okay.

15

A.

Yes.

16

Q.

Okay.

17

A.
when.

20
21

He indicated to you that he was registering to

vote at that address inside the RUD?

18
19

Did you notice Mr. Heath's name on there?

At some point we discussed that.

I don't remember

But, yes, there was a discussion.


Q.

At some point what was the discussion about him

voting from the Six Pines address?

22

A.

I do remember cautioning Mr. Heath about false

23

information on a voter application is a crime.

I do remember

24

that.

25

districts and how you -- those get formed, how the voters

I do remember discussing with him, you know, the special

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register if there's no residents in there.

I do remember discussing, again, what we can and can't do about

registration.

Q.

5
6

That was discussed.

Did you ever discuss with him that the voter

residency laws require -- need clarification?


A.

I did.

It was my opinion that they did need to be

clarified.

I think most elections people would.

I have heard

that through most election people, that clarification was

needed for us -- some clarification as to maybe what we could

10

and couldn't do or voter clarification.

But also the fact that

11

there are many reasons why they are the way they are.

12

living in multiple residences.

13

there's very -- you know, I mean, I do know there are very good

14

reasons why they are broad.

Students, military.

People

I mean,

15

Q.

Okay.

16

A.

But it's difficult to do your job sometimes in an

17
18

election.
Q.

Well, did you -- did you give him the impression with

19

what you were saying -- or rather, did you intend to give him

20

the impression that the residency laws are very confusing?

21

A.

Confusing?

22

Q.

Well, they need clarification.

23

I'm not sure.


Is that what you

meant?

24

A.

Yes, that they were somewhat vague.

25

Q.

And so did you tell him anything about -- in response

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to what he was doing as far as registering at the Six Pines

address and voting in that election?

A.

Not that I recall, other than -- I mean, I just do

distinctly remember telling him -- cautioning him about that he

is swearing -- you know, there's an affidavit.

6
7

Q.

was trying to do?

8
9

Do you recall telling him that you admired what he

A.

No, not in that context.

Not in that context.

I do

remember saying that, but it wasn't in that context.

10

Q.

And what context was it?

11

A.

It was -- it was in regard to the activism.

Like I

12

mentioned, he had filed a complaint on our office about public

13

information because we wanted to charge for some of our time

14

and it greatly improved our public information request, just

15

because we didn't want to do all that work and not get paid for

16

it.

17

was, you know, getting involved.

18

some Conroe issues and just getting involved in -- you know, in

19

doing -- you know, if you see some things that you think is

20

wrong, actually getting involved in doing the work rather than

21

just complain about it.

So we automated it so the requests were actually -- and it


We had had discussions on

But actually pursuing it.

22

Q.

That's what you admired?

23

A.

Right.

24
25

Not that he was -- no.

But not --

That was not anything

I would have -Q.

Okay.

Now, do you recall discussing with First

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Assistant District Attorney Phil Grant anything about the

discussions of Mr. Heath and what was going to happen in the

RUD district?

A.

Yes, I do.

5
6
7

MR. WRIGHT:

If I may approach the witness, Your

Honor.
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

I want to show you what's been

premarked as Defendant's Exhibit Number 7 and ask you if you --

can you see that?

That's pretty small.

10

A.

No.

11

Q.

Do you recognize that?

12

A.

I do.

13

Q.

And what is that?

14

A.

It's an e-mail to myself from Phil Grant, a residency

15

question.

16

MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor.

17

hearsay document.

18

testifying as to its contents.

19

Q.

It's not in evidence.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

This is a

We shouldn't be

Well, without telling me what's in

20

it, is this an e-mail that was from Mr. Grant to you on the

21

subject of residency question on April the 20th, 2010?

22

A.

It is.

23

Q.

It is.

24
25

Okay.

And this was part received by you as part

of your official correspondence or e-mail correspondence in

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your position as election administrator; is that correct?

MR. WHITE:

MR. WRIGHT:

Objection, leading.
I tender a copy of Defendant's

Exhibit Number 7 to counsel for their review and ask that it be

admitted into the trial.

MR. WHITE:

We'll object to hearsay.

THE COURT:

Sustained.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

All right.

8
9

Q.

references a discussion with --

10
11

MR. WHITE:

Objection.

He's referring to a

hearsay document and its contents.

12
13

In this case, it

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

It's sustained.
Let me ask it this way.

Did you

14

discuss the definition or philosophy of the Secretary of State

15

regarding residency with Mr. Grant?

16
17
18
19

A.

My recollection is I -MR. WHITE:

I'll object to the relevance of the

discussion of residency.
THE COURT:

Response?

I mean, this is a

20

discussion between an earlier witness and this witness; but

21

again, what is the point of this case where the Defendant,

22

Mr. Heath, is charged with a crime?

23

MR. WRIGHT:

Because it's showing that it was

24

the definition that Mr. Heath had discussed with her and with

25

Mr. Grant about the Secretary of State definition of residency.

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And it goes to show what his state of mind was before he made

that vote.

MR. WHITE:

The State's response that a

conversation between this witness and Phil Grant would have no

bearing of his state of mind of Mr. Heath.

THE COURT:

Wouldn't it?

I mean, isn't that --

but he's not a party to that conversation, is he, in that

communication that you're talking about?

MR. WRIGHT:

10

THE COURT:

11

MR. WRIGHT:

12

No, he's not a party.


All right.

Then sustain --

But they're discussing what he had

said.

13

THE COURT:

Well, until you can --

14

MR. WHITE:

That's not factually true.

15

would be hearsay.

16
17

That

THE COURT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

All right.

Sustained.

Well, so you were aware, because you

18

had put the voter list together, that he and some people were

19

getting ready to vote from a Residence Inn hotel.

20

correct?

Is that

21

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

22

THE COURT:

It is leading, but the day is late.

23

MR. WRIGHT:

24

THE COURT:

25

A.

It's in evidence.
You can answer.

Yes, sir.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

A.

Yes.

Q.

And you didn't tell him, stop, don't do that, did

You were aware, correct?

you?

MR. WHITE:

Objection, leading.

THE COURT:

Sustained.

7
8

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Do you recall what you told him

about it?

A.

What I told who?

10

Q.

Mr. Heath?

11

A.

About?

12

Q.

About voting from the Residence Inn?

13

A.

I don't recall any particular conversation about

14

voting from the Residence Inn.

15

Q.

Did you talk --

16

A.

I don't -- I might have misunderstood.

17

Q.

Did you talk to -- did you bring to the attention of

18

Mr. Phil Grant what you had discovered about voting -- these

19

people voting from the Residence Inn?

20
21

MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance, what she told

Phil Grant.

22

MR. WRIGHT:

23

THE COURT:

24

MR. WRIGHT:

25

THE COURT:

What I'm getting at -I know.

But again --

I'll withdraw that.


Sustained.

Rephrase it.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Did you ask Mr. Phil Grant on behalf

of Brett Ligon, the DA, to send a letter to the registered

voters in the RUD who were on the list that you had provided to

the RUD?

A.

Yes.

Q.

So were you aware that he had sent a letter?

A.

He sent me a copy after the fact.

Q.

After the fact.

9
10

All right.

you discuss any of that with Mr. Heath?

11
12
13

So after you saw that letter, did

A.
busy.

I don't recall discussing it with him.

We were very

I mean, I don't recall the discussion.


Q.

You didn't call Adrian -- Mr. Heath, who you knew,

14

and say, what's this about, what are you getting ready to do,

15

or anything like that?

16

A.

No.

17

MR. WRIGHT:

18

All right.

I pass the witness.

CROSS-EXAMINATION

19

BY MR. WHITE:

20

Q.

Ms. Gaultney, did Mr. Heath ever tell you that, hey,

21

nine voters and I are thinking about registering to vote at

22

Marriott Residence Inn and voting in this RUD election?

23

ever tell you that?

24
25

A.

He never told me about nine voters.

some point I was aware of what was going on.

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I don't remember.

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I mean, not nine voters.

staff let me know when somebody registered there.

Q.

registering?

A.

I kept tabs on that by having our

So you ultimately found out that folks were

Right.

I found out and I cautioned everybody that,

you know, let me know when somebody, so I could be aware

because I was having discussions with the attorneys and trying

to prepare for the election.

Q.

Okay.

So prior to his registering to vote, which was

10

on March 5th, March 5th of 2010, he never came to you, told you

11

what he was planning to do, and asked you if it was okay, did

12

he?

13

A.

Asked if it was okay?

14

Q.

He never asked your opinion on what he was doing?

15

A.

Well, he asked what would happen if -- I mean, he did

16
17

No.

ask procedural questions and he asked about voter residency.


Q.

So did he actually find out that you couldn't do

18

anything if he registered at an address that wasn't his

19

residence, you would have to accept it?

20

from him?

Did you find that out

21

A.

Yes.

22

Q.

And --

23

A.

We had to take the voter's -- the law is we shall

24
25

register them where they say they live.


Q.

I'm sorry?

I didn't understand.

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2

A.

So, yes, there was probably a discussion that we have

to take the voter's word for it as to where they reside.

Q.

Okay.

So then he brought you a registration at some

point to your office registering to vote at that Residence Inn;

is that correct?

A.

I don't remember him bringing it to me.

But it is -- I can tell it was a walk-in.

He could

have.

He did walk

it in to our office.

I might have -- I would think I would have told him to take it

If he gave it to me, I do not remember.

10

to the voter registration people or maybe I did.

11

recall that.

12

Q.

I don't

And you actually cautioned him about providing an

13

address on that form, that he was swearing to the truth of that

14

statement.

15

A.

Isn't that right?


I don't remember when.

I just remember one time in

16

the discussions.

17

recall at one point in a discussion with him just that giving

18

false information on a voter registration form is a crime.

19

that might have been in the discussion about residency, you

20

know, that we have to take it.

21

can't enforce that other than send a card.

22

I don't -- I don't recall when.

I just

We're not enforcement.

We

MR. WHITE:

No further questions for this

24

THE COURT:

Anything else?

25

MR. WRIGHT:

23

witness.

Just a couple of things, Your

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Honor, based on that.

THE COURT:

3
4

REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:

5
6

Q.

At the time that you were serving back in 2010, who

was the county attorney?

A.

David Walker.

Q.

All right.

9
10

Go ahead.

And did you ever discussed any of these

voting issues, the residency issues with David Walker, the


county attorney?

11

MR. WHITE:

Objection, relevance.

12

THE COURT:

Sustained.

13

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Well, if you wanted to take some

14

legal action to -- I guess to a court on some election issue,

15

who would be the attorney you would go to?

16

A.

Well, I did, in the past, refer things to the

17

district attorney.

Not residency because we can't challenge

18

that.

19

a letter and get the backup information to the district

20

attorney.

21

notice that the appeal -- when I saw that the appeal of the

22

election contest was final, my question to David -- I went to

23

David Walker because I wasn't -- it was a procedural question

24

for me.

25

the district clerk about what do I do, do I take these people

But ballot by mail or people voting twice, I would send

I do remember, for example, when I received the

I also went to the Secretary of State.

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off the voter registration rolls after this appeal has been

finalized, you know.

Q.

So one person that you can go to for advice is the

Secretary of State on election issues, another is the county

attorney, correct?

A.

Yes.

Q.

In other words, he was like the county's lawyer and

answers questions for the county departments?

A.

I worked with him on DOJ, Department of Justice,

10

filings before every election.

11

few --

12

Q.

Okay.

And that was really one of the

So that's what I'm getting at.

So my question

13

is:

Did you have enough concern that you contacted David

14

Walker about these voters that were on the list at the Six

15

Pines address?

16

A.

No.

17

Q.

You never contacted --

18

A.

It's not -- no.

When people call to ask how to

19

challenge if they have a problem and we have had a lot of

20

instances of people saying, that person doesn't live there, I

21

would recommend they go to the district attorney or the

22

Secretary of State.

23

sometimes refers to the attorney general, but I would suggest

24

that they go to the district attorney for a criminal matter.

25

Q.

And I know about the Secretary of State

If it's a civil matter, you would go to the county

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attorney?

A.

Right.

If it was something -- back on that judgment

for the election contest, you know, I wanted to know what to

do.

and the county attorney.

know, what do I do with these voters after this.

So I was looking for direction from the Secretary of State


I didn't receive an abstract.

Q.

That was well after the fact?

A.

Right.

Q.

My question is:

You

That was after -Before the election, you didn't go

10

to Mr. Walker, the county attorney, for any advice on this,

11

correct?

12

A.

No.

13
14

MR. WRIGHT:

That's all

RECROSS-EXAMINATION

16

BY MR. WHITE:

17

Q.

19

Thank you.

the questions I have of this witness.

15

18

All right.

Ms. Gaultney, do you ever challenge a voter's

residence and refer it to David Walker?


A.

No.

20

MR. WHITE:

Pass the witness.

21

MR. WRIGHT:

22

THE COURT:

Can she be excused?

23

MR. WRIGHT:

Yes, Your Honor.

24

THE COURT:

25

Next.

I have no further questions.

You are excused, ma'am.

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2

MR. WRIGHT:

Judge, our next witness is Jim

Doyle.

THE COURT:

(Witness is sworn.)

THE COURT:

Your witness.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

9
10

Thank you.

May I proceed, Your Honor.


Yes.

having been first duly sworn, testified as follows:


DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. WRIGHT:

13

Q.

14

record?

15

A.

16

Have a seat, sir.

JIM DOYLE,

11
12

Mr. Doyle come forward.

Could you state your name and your address for the

My name is James William Doyle.

My address is

16728 Bending Oaks, Conroe, Texas 77385.

17

Q.

Okay.

18

A.

Well, I've been there about 40 years.

19

Q.

Okay.

20

A.

Well, I worked for Continental Airlines for 40 years.

21

How long have you lived there?

And what do you do for a living?

I retired on my 40th anniversary.

22

Q.

And when did you retire?

23

A.

Back in 2005.

24
25

It was May the 5th, on my anniversary

I started with the company.


Q.

Mr. Doyle, how long have you known Adrian Heath?

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A.

Probably three or four years or something to that

effect.

Q.

Well, you knew him in 2010; is that correct?

A.

Oh, yes.

Q.

Could you tell the jury what your wife's name is?

A.

Sybil Doyle.

Q.

What your daughter's name is?

A.

Her name is Roberta Cook.

Q.

All right.

It might have been a little longer.

10
11

Maybe five or six years.

MR. WRIGHT:
Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

If I may approach the witness.


I want to show you what's marked

12

State's Exhibit Number 7, and ask you on the page where there's

13

a last and first names says, Doyle, Sybil?

14

A.

Right.

15

Q.

Voter registration application.

16

A.

Uh-huh.

17

Q.

And there's a signature.

18

Is that your wife's

signature on there?

19

A.

Yes.

20

Q.

And then going to the next page, there's -- there is

21

a voter registration application.

22

Roberta first name.

23

signature on that?

It's got Cook as last name.

Is that your daughter Roberta Cook's

24

A.

Right, right.

25

Q.

Were you aware that your wife and daughter had

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changed their registrations to 9333 Six Pines?

A.

Yes.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Well, I asked them to.

Q.

All right.

A.

Well, because of the fact that this road district was

Why did you ask them to do that?

there and it had a Board of Directors that had no --

8
9

And how was it that you became aware of that?

MR. WHITE:
A.

Objection, Your Honor, relevance.

-- no voters in it.

10

MR. WHITE:

There is an objection.

12

THE COURT:

Okay.

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MR. WHITE:

I'll object to relevance, Your

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THE COURT:

Response?

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MR. WRIGHT:

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You have to

quit speaking.
Go ahead.

Honor.

We're just trying to put the

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background as to how he got involved -- his wife and daughter

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got involved in changing their address.

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THE COURT:

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Go ahead.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Overruled.

So you were saying you had learned

about a road district?

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

Who did you learn from about the road district?

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A.

Adrian.

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Q.

Mr. Heath?

A.

Right.

Q.

Okay.

And so what did he tell you about the road

district?

MR. WHITE:

Objection, Your Honor.

THE COURT:

Sustained.

MR. WRIGHT:

Calls for

hearsay.

of the matter asserted.

We're not offering it for the truth

We're just offering to show what

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Mr. Heath's state of mind was, that he was conferring with

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Mr. Doyle, and why he took the actions that he took.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Sustained.
After talking with Mr. Heath, did

you do any investigation yourself of the road district?


A.

Yes.

I read about it and at the time I hadn't heard

of it before that.
Q.

Okay.

Didn't even know it existed.

And so did you discuss it with your wife and

your daughter?

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

And what things did you tell them about -- what I'm

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concerned about is changing their residence?


A.

Okay.

Well, I would have done that myself except

that I'm a precinct chair --

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MR. WHITE:

Objection, nonresponsive.

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THE COURT:

Sustained.

Sustained.

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That was -- there was -- he answered the


question that was proposed.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

But anything else?

MR. WHITE:

I'm sorry?

THE COURT:

I sustained the objection.

an answer.

MR. WHITE:
down, Your Honor.

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I was in the process of sitting

No.

THE COURT:

All right.

You don't want an

instruction or anything like that?

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MR. WHITE:

No.

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THE COURT:

All right.

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He gave

Anything else you want to add.

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Right.

Next question, please.

Go for it.

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Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

And the issue about voter registration and selecting

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your residence?

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A.

Yes, right.

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Q.

Okay.

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Well, you had researched this issue?

And what was your background or experience

that educated you on that?


A.

Well, I'm a precinct chair, as I said, in the

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Republican party and been an election judge for about 13 years.

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And I have been familiar a little bit with the election code.

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And with this issue, I did further research on what laws were

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and what the practical course of action might be.


Q.

Okay.

And so did you discuss what you had learned

with Adrian Heath?

A.

Yes, a little bit.

Q.

What sort of things did you discuss with him?

A.

Well, we talked about residence.

We talked about

durational time limits for voting, which is zero.

talked about --

MR. WHITE:

And we

Objection, Your Honor, to the

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misstatement of the law and actually of the relevance of this

11

whole answer.

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THE COURT:

Well, it was an opinion of his and

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it says what things did you discuss.

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editorial comment that he made about a law.

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provides the law and the jury decides what the facts are in

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their rendering of the deliberations in this case.

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don't want that to be superceded by witnesses who provide

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answers.

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important questions.

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that is -- that individual comment in there, it's an

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objectionable comment and it's sustained.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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Q.

And the answer was an

And we

The jury gets to make the answers on some of these


But as far as the comment that he made,

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Okay.
Well, let me change.

election judge for 13 years, correct?


A.

And the Court

Right.

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Q.

And did you tell your wife and your daughter and

Mr. Heath that they could vote from the Residence Inn?

A.

Well, yes.

Q.

Okay.

And would you have told your wife and daughter

to do that if you thought it was a felony?

A.

No.

Q.

Did you ever caution Mr. Heath that he couldn't do

that, that it was wrong?

A.

No.

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Q.

Did Mr. Heath ever indicate to you that he thought

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this was a sneaky, dirty, illegal scheme?

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A.

No.

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THE COURT:

Overruled.

This is

It was the absence of a

statement.

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Objection, Your Honor.

hearsay.

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MR. WHITE:

Q.

(BY MR. WRIGHT)

Did you ever discuss the Secretary

of State's opinion on residency with Mr. Heath?

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

Was that before the election, before there was a

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A.

Yeah.

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Q.

And you say "we."

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A.

Well, I talked about it with my wife and daughter as

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vote?
We talked about that before.
Was it just you and Mr. Heath?

well.

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Q.

Were there other people around?

Was there any

meetings where this took place?


A.

Yes.

We did have meeting or something on it.

And we

discussed this.

We discussed it with attorneys, with --

checking different branches of government to make sure.

never -- I never saw anything indicating that we could do that.

And we

Q.

What attorneys did you discuss it with?

A.

Well, there was Eric Yollick and his assistant.

Q.

Who was that?

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A.

I can't think of his name right now.

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Q.

Was it an attorney?

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A.

It was an attorney that works with Eric.

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Q.

So there was at least two attorneys that you

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consulted or two lawyers?

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A.

Right, right.

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Q.

And then you said government people?

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A.

Well, like the Secretary of State's office, you know,

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that was discussed.

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opinions.

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Even the attorney general's office

MR. WHITE:

Your Honor, may I take this witness

THE COURT:

All right.

on voir dire?

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VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION

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BY MR. WHITE:

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Q.

Mr. Doyle, who did you talk to at the attorney

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general's office?
A.

I didn't talk to a person.

We read a report that

they had.

Q.

office?

A.

That's right.

Q.

So when you say you that talked to somebody at the

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Okay.

So you read a report of the attorney general's

attorney general's office -A.

I intended that --

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THE COURT:

Hold on everybody.

Time out.

Don't

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talk over everybody.

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can't take down when everybody is talking at one time.

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to ask the questions and then you get a fair opportunity to

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answer and then when you're completed, then he gets to ask his

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next question.

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She's a great court reporter, but she

Please don't step on top of each other.


Thank you.

Q.

He gets

(BY MR. WHITE)

Go forward.
My question, Mr. Doyle, is:

When you

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say that you talked to someone at the attorney general's office

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and, yet, you had only read something written, you're actually

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misstating the facts, aren't you?

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A.

Well, I was saying that I read this and that was

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talking to a person.

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speak with anybody from there.

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on it.

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Q.

And I should rephrase that, that I didn't


I read the report -- the report

Well, Mr. Doyle, you are in a court of law.

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realize that facts are important, correct?


A.

Yes.

And I restated what I said, that I didn't speak

with a person.

I just should have just said read the report.

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Q.

But I have the report -- I read the report and

Okay.

Now, you didn't actually talk with anyone from

the Secretary of State's office?

A.

No.

Q.

So you read a report?

A.

That's right.

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Q.

And let me ask you this.

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Same thing.

In your role as a precinct

chair, do you determine residence?

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A.

Yes, to a point.

Yes, you do.

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Q.

Really?

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A.

I'll give you an example.

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Q.

Please do.

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A.

Okay.

Man comes saying he lived in my precinct and

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he moved.

He moved to Harris County.

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about it.

He comes in to vote.

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of -- out here down to Harris County, but I forgot to change my

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voter registration so I want to come in and vote.

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well, I'm sorry, but you can't vote here because you no longer

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reside in this precinct or in this county.

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county.

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let you vote a provisional ballot if you want.

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Q.

I didn't know anything

He says, you know, I moved out

Well, I say,

You're in another

So you can't -- you know, I can't let you vote.

All right.

I can

But that's all.

So in your role as a precinct chair,

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that's what you do?

A.

That's part of it.

Q.

Okay.

A.

Not a precinct chair, election judge.

Q.

Okay.

out --

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Well, as a precinct chair, what you do is pass

A.

Yeah, we hand out literature.

We organize the

precinct.

THE COURT:

Hold on.

Mr. White, you have him on

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voir dire.

Let's don't interrupt the normal flow of the rules

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here.

12

for voir dire, which is -- is different from choosing a jury.

13

We also call voir dire when a lawyer gets to ask a witness out

14

of turn some questions.

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generally of foundation of the person's testimony.

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point.

That's his witness.

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But that's brief and for purposes

MR. WHITE:
many questions.

I gave you just a brief opportunity

So your

I do want to apologize for asking so

I have two areas of concern.

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THE COURT:

Yes, sir.

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MR. WHITE:

The first one was -- or the second

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one that I was trying to address there is why his expertise --

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or what his expertise is that this conversation with Mr. Heath

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is supposed to be relevant.

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not he actually had a conversation with these authorities.

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THE COURT:

And the first one was whether or

All right.

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MR. WHITE:

THE COURT:

You can object if you feel

necessary.

Go ahead, Mr. Wright.

MR. WRIGHT:

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I didn't get the

answers and had to ask additional questions.

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So I apologize.

I want to move down the road.

DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONTINUED)


BY MR. WRIGHT:

Q.

Let me go back to your wife and your daughter.

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A.

Okay.

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Q.

Did your wife and daughter stay at that Residence Inn

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at any time?

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A.

They didn't stay there overnight, no.

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Q.

Did they visit the Residence Inn before the election?

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A.

Yeah.

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Q.

And when did they go there?

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A.

They were there the night before.

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Q.

Were you there with them?

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A.

Yes.

20

Q.

Okay.

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A.

They were there the night before for, I don't know,

And so how much were they at the hotel?

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an hour, hour and a half, something like that.

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came back the next day and they went and voted.

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Q.

All right.

And then they

And then did they go back after the

election to the hotel?

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A.

I'm not sure.

Q.

Okay.

No.

Q.

Okay.

Did you tell them to go back and stay at the

hotel after the election?


A.

No.

MR. WRIGHT:

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I pass the witness.

CROSS-EXAMINATION

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BY MR. WHITE:

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Q.

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And do you know who told them to go back after

the election and get back to the hotel?


A.

I wasn't there when

they -- for that day.

I think so.

So, Mr. Doyle, your testimony earlier was that as an

election judge, you determine the residency.

Is that right?

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A.

Election judge, yes.

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Q.

So even though the Secretary of State doesn't

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determine the residency of voters, the registrar doesn't

17

determine the residency of the voters, you as an election

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judge, Jim Doyle, determine the residency of voters?

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A.

If you know that somebody or somebody tells you that

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they don't reside there, that they moved their residence

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somewhere else, then you know it.

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if they came there and just said that they might be in the

23

process of moving and they don't say I don't live here or I

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don't reside here anymore, if they didn't say that, well, then

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I would never even suspect or even think about it as long as

If they didn't tell me that,

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they say they lived there, that's where they lived.

Q.

Okay.

A.

If they say they live somewhere else, that's where

So --

they live.

Q.

take that --

A.

Yeah.

Q.

-- at face value?

A.

Sure.

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Q.

So you don't probe any further than their

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So if a voter says they lived somewhere, you have to

representation to you; is that right?

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A.

Right.

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Q.

Okay.

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15
16
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Do you feel that makes you an expert on the

residency law of the state of Texas?


A.

Not an expert.

But as far as voting is concerned,

that's what we're supposed to do.


Q.

Okay.

So enough to give your wife and daughter the

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go ahead and vote in a territory where they haven't even spent

19

one night.

Is that right?

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A.

Can you repeat that?

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Q.

Sure can.

You're enough of an expert, know enough

22

about the voting law to be comfortable giving your wife and

23

daughter the go ahead to vote in a territory where they haven't

24

even spent one night.

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A.

Is that right?

Yes.

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MR. WHITE:

Okay.

THE COURT:

Anything else.

MR. WRIGHT:

Pass the witness.

No further questions of this

witness.

THE COURT:

May this witness be excused.

MR. WHITE:

Yes, Your Honor.

THE COURT:

You are excused, sir.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

Thank you.

That's my witnesses for today.


Okay.

So there's really no point in

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us sitting around for the rest of the evening here, then, is

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what you're saying, right?

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

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All right.

Let's call it a

events here.
All right.

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in the morning.

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have a nice evening.

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are excused.

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Good.

Ladies and gentlemen, 9:00 o'clock

Please remember the instructions and


Be careful out there in the weather.

You

(At this time the jury is excused to the jury


room.)

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THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

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Good.

Let me just get an idea about the forecast of

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Yes.

day, ladies and gentlemen.

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Can we go home?

Mr. Wright, you wanted to go ahead.


Just make a proffer.

Defendants

exhibits that were rejected by the Court, excluded, there was a

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Defendants Exhibit Number 7, a Defendant's Exhibit Number 32,

Number 33, Number 34, Number 35, Number 36.

marked the audio recording of Mr. Joe Kulhavy as Defendant's

Exhibit Number 38.

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THE COURT:

I believe the State's objections

were for relevance.

MR. GLICKLER:

THE COURT:

I sustain those objections.

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MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

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MR. WRIGHT:

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21
22

All right.

And I think I had put my reasons on

Yes, sir.
-- when we were speaking with the

Okay.
If I could tender these to the

Court Reporter for the record.

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19

Hearsay and relevance.

fuzz on.

15

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Relevance and hearsay.

the record --

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And then I've also

THE COURT:

All right.

They will be made part

of the record.
The next thing I was to ask you about, I'm
looking at these -MR. WRIGHT:

I've been informed by Ms. Heath has

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been -- said that she is alleging noticing that the African

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American female juror is having eye contact and she is making

25

eyes with Mr. Glickler, actually, during the trial.

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that it's noticeable and as though there is some type of

communication going on.

that.

But I've been busy, I haven't noticed

But I thought I would bring it to the Court's attention.

THE COURT:

All right.

I hadn't noticed that.

Do you have any response?

MR. GLICKLER:

I have intentionally turned my

chair, if you'll look at it, away from the jury for multiple

reasons and I've had no eye contact with any jurors.

rest of my response I'll reserve for off the record.

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THE COURT:

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MR. GLICKLER:

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animate jury.

13

reactions.

14

All right.

And the

I just want to --

I will say this, this is a very

They're very vocal and animated with their

THE COURT:

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that I think broke us all.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

Well, I just -- there was a witness


That was painful.
That could be the cause.
That was a painful witness that I'm

18

sure tested all of our patience and poise, but I haven't seen

19

that.

20

otherwise in the record.

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Mr. Glickler denies that and that's -- I don't find

All right.

The next thing is these instructions

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because I'm going to have to start working.

23

at something this evening.

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instructions for mistake of law and you-all have no objection.

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Would you-all look

I'm looking at the proposed

MR. GLICKLER:

To clarify, we don't --

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THE COURT:

You know what I did and I -- and I

don't know if you have another one.

this the things I wanted to point out, so it's something that

you filed.

MR. WRIGHT:

THE COURT:

MR. GLICKLER:

THE COURT:

MR. GLICKLER:

I inadvertently wrote on

I e-mailed it to her.
I had it file stamped and I -Are we on the record for this.

Go ahead.
I have a proposed mistake of law

10

jury charge I think that is more appropriate because it does

11

take into consideration the language of the ignorance --

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THE COURT:

Give it to -- give it to Mr. Wright.

13

But the thing -- thank you.

What I'm pointing out in my review

14

is I think that the essence of mistake of law is reasonable

15

belief and reasonable reliance.

16

"reasonable" is used twice in the definition and it's not being

17

included.

18

Defendant addressed the law and reached a mistaken conclusion

19

about what the law meant.

20

one time, and I think that is not -- that is a misstatement.

21

But you took this from the patterned charge.

And it's -- the word

For example, the evidence must show that the

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

"Reasonable" is not even in there

I did.
I just don't think -- I don't think

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they did their work on this one.

And I know they were knocking

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the patterned charges out to get them published and this is not

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one that is -- this is not a statute tested regularly.

think you-all want to look at that.

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MR. WRIGHT:

And I

The application paragraph where

we --

THE COURT:
No.

The affirmative defense is not

established.

The evidence must show the Defendant

addressed the law and reached a mistaken conclusion about what

the law meant.

in that sentence, because showing that the Defendant addressed

I think it -- "reasonable" needs to be in there

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the law and reached a mistaken conclusion, I mean, so I think

11

the mistake still has to be -- "reasonable" has got to be a --

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14
15

MR. GLICKLER:

different, Your Honor, and it comes out of -THE COURT:

Right here, this is a mistake.

It

says the burden of proof is no the Defendant to prove.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

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That's why we proposed something

Supposed to be "on."
It is on the Defendant to prove.

Or

for the Defendant.

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MR. WRIGHT:

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THE COURT:

That was a -Okay.

All right.

And then right

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here, this asterisk is the Defendant's reasonable reliance on a

22

source was -- (reading to himself).

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reliance on a source was reasonable if an ordinary and prudent

24

person in the same circumstances as the Defendant would have

25

relied on that source and reached any mistaken conclusion or

The Defendant's reasonable

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belief that the Defendant reached.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think -- I

think the "reasonable" needs to be injected twice that it's not

in there.

same circumstance would have reasonably relied on that source

and reasonably reached any mistaken conclusion that the

Defendant reached.

in there twice and that's in the application.

This is the application.

I think that the ordinary and prudent person in the

10

And I think "reasonable" should have been


No, that's not.

But look at those with those concerns and tell

11

me -- and tell me.

12

is all about.

Reasonable is the key.

13

MR. GLICKLER:

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THE COURT:

15

MR. GLICKLER:

This is what this

I'm trying to help you here.

Okay.
We've looked at his charge and

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that's why we're presenting -- and it can be cut and pasted out

17

of the e-mail, which we forwarded to him.

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THE COURT:

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MR. GLICKLER:

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THE COURT:

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All right.

I'll take this home.

MR. GLICKLER:

23

THE COURT:

25

And you've

given a copy?

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This is --

Yes, I have.

Okay.

Everybody look at this and

you-all tell me what you think.


MR. GLICKLER:

It's the concise proper

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definition out of McCormick.

and "reasonably believe."

belief."

have, which is the fact that there's no defense to prosecution

that the Defendant was ignorant of the provisions of the law.

That's part of the mistake of law defense.

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8
9

It does reference "reasonable"

It has definition of "reasonable

It also has the important part that Mr. Wright didn't

THE COURT:

It's the first sentence of it, I

believe.
MR. GLICKLER:

That's right.

That's how it's

10

phrased in our proposal and we would just say that we believe

11

that the length to which Mr. Wright's proposed instruction goes

12

a little too far and that's why we proposed our alternative.

13

THE COURT:

Okay.

Okay.

Your points are made, and

14

we'll digest overnight.

But it sounds like we might be

15

arguing this thing midday tomorrow.

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MR. WRIGHT:

It sounds like it.

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MR. GLICKLER:

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THE COURT:

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(Proceedings adjourned.)

All right.

All right.

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THE STATE OF TEXAS

COUNTY OF MONTGOMERY )

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for the State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above and

foregoing contains a true and correct transcription of all

portions of evidence and other proceedings in the above-styled

and numbered cause, all of which occurred and were reported by

me.

I further certify that this transcription of the

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proceedings does not reflect the exhibits, if any, admitted by

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P. O. Box 132498
The Woodlands, Texas 77393
281-364-7783 Office
281-723-9090 Cell
Kddeshetler@aol.com

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KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

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'13 [1] - 141:18
'8 [1] - 219:19

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//Karen [1] - 254:18

0
00787549 [1] - 2:8

1
1 [13] - 6:4, 51:17,
52:7, 52:11, 80:5,
85:7, 95:17, 119:13,
159:24, 163:2,
169:10, 217:2,
217:23
1-800 [2] - 140:20,
140:21
1.015 [4] - 61:7, 76:21,
76:22, 158:12
1.015....... [1] - 6:5
1/28/92 [1] - 30:6
10 [1] - 103:10
10-dollar [1] - 20:18
100 [3] - 111:10,
149:6, 210:10
101 [2] - 3:11, 5:18
105 [2] - 3:13, 5:14
10:57 [1] - 155:13
10th [1] - 110:18
11 [3] - 10:24, 44:20,
80:1
112 [2] - 6:9, 40:19
115 [1] - 6:9
117 [2] - 6:6
11:53 [1] - 27:9
12 [1] - 110:14
12-03-12580-CR [1] 1:1
12-03-2580 [1] - 7:2
12/31/14 [1] - 254:19
125 [1] - 3:13
12548 [2] - 2:5, 2:10
126 [3] - 3:14, 5:15,
5:15
127 [2] - 3:14, 5:16
128 [2] - 3:16, 5:7
13 [3] - 33:5, 237:23,
238:24
132 [4] - 80:2, 80:5,
80:6, 81:7
132498 [1] - 254:20
133 [1] - 6:6
139 [2] - 3:17, 5:19
14 [1] - 32:22

147 [1] - 6:7


14993 [9] - 8:9, 10:18,
11:10, 23:6, 27:20,
29:3, 79:18, 79:20,
79:22
14th [6] - 27:25, 28:5,
32:6, 32:8, 33:4,
173:19
15 [2] - 103:10, 139:22
152 [1] - 6:7
153 [1] - 6:8
155 [1] - 6:8
157 [4] - 3:18, 3:18,
5:20, 5:20
158 [1] - 72:22
15th [1] - 28:2
16 [1] - 35:6
16728 [1] - 233:16
1688 [1] - 254:19
18 [9] - 11:6, 11:7,
12:23, 28:18, 30:11,
31:8, 58:16, 72:6,
77:15
181 [2] - 3:19, 5:21
189 [2] - 3:19, 5:21
18th [1] - 31:8
19 [1] - 32:16
1964 [1] - 163:11
1979 [1] - 96:6
198 [2] - 3:20, 5:22
1986 [1] - 139:13
1989 [1] - 95:17
1990 [2] - 95:19,
139:14
1991 [1] - 193:25
1993 [1] - 105:3
1996 [1] - 105:5
1:30 [1] - 127:11
1st [3] - 91:23, 104:24,
156:7

2
2 [3] - 26:11, 80:5,
85:8
20 [8] - 101:19,
103:10, 140:23,
150:22, 164:17,
172:25, 173:2, 200:9
200 [1] - 44:10
2000 [2] - 16:1, 19:15
2001 [2] - 210:4,
217:20
2002 [3] - 79:25, 80:1,
154:13
2004 [4] - 57:22,
140:4, 140:5, 160:1
2005 [1] - 233:23
2006 [1] - 219:19
2008 [1] - 128:22

2009 [2] - 104:24,


105:14
2010 [74] - 11:12,
12:14, 12:22, 14:12,
14:19, 15:6, 21:14,
22:5, 23:1, 23:5,
23:12, 25:18, 27:9,
28:23, 29:9, 29:23,
30:2, 30:20, 36:5,
37:1, 37:4, 37:17,
38:5, 38:9, 42:13,
62:4, 62:22, 72:7,
74:25, 75:2, 75:4,
79:19, 79:21, 80:13,
82:16, 82:20, 83:10,
83:16, 83:18, 92:7,
97:18, 99:5, 102:24,
108:3, 112:6,
112:16, 129:6,
129:8, 134:25,
135:12, 135:19,
136:10, 144:7,
144:12, 145:5,
145:8, 146:1,
151:14, 151:24,
174:21, 175:3,
179:10, 184:9,
189:19, 202:23,
210:25, 211:21,
212:6, 212:18,
218:6, 223:21,
228:10, 230:5, 234:3
2011 [3] - 128:17,
128:22, 210:4
2012 [18] - 189:14,
189:17, 189:20,
190:1, 190:6, 191:2,
191:13, 191:24,
192:12, 192:14,
201:21, 202:5,
203:12, 204:6,
204:8, 204:20,
206:18
2013 [10] - 1:13, 1:20,
2:1, 3:1, 4:1, 5:1,
6:1, 80:1, 140:6,
141:18
2014 [1] - 254:15
202 [2] - 3:20, 5:22
204 [1] - 2:16
208 [2] - 3:21, 5:23
209 [2] - 3:22, 5:11
20th [3] - 146:1, 171:3,
223:21
22041800 [1] - 2:17
224 [2] - 6:5
228 [2] - 3:23, 5:12
22nd [2] - 33:21, 33:25
23 [6] - 6:6, 121:17,
130:14, 133:8,

133:15, 134:19
230 [2] - 3:23, 5:12
232 [2] - 3:24, 5:13
233 [2] - 4:4, 5:8
23rd [1] - 34:10
24 [4] - 115:13, 116:7,
134:25, 220:8
24054475 [1] - 2:13
241 [2] - 4:4, 5:9
244 [2] - 4:5, 5:9
245 [2] - 4:5, 5:10
248 [3] - 4:6, 6:9, 6:10
24th [5] - 37:15, 38:5,
38:9, 135:12, 135:19
25 [1] - 151:14
250 [1] - 19:23
25th [1] - 135:19
26 [10] - 6:6, 11:3,
13:17, 13:18, 13:19,
116:19, 117:9,
117:13, 146:22,
153:10
28 [3] - 13:15, 35:18,
211:2
281-364-7783 [1] 254:21
281-723-9090 [1] 254:21
28th [2] - 33:21, 33:25
29 [1] - 32:22
29th [2] - 33:3, 33:4
2nd [2] - 140:6, 254:15

3
3 [10] - 6:4, 29:16,
57:16, 58:7, 58:11,
81:19, 85:2, 85:8,
120:9, 198:10
3/5/10 [2] - 175:22,
175:24
30 [16] - 1:13, 2:1, 3:1,
4:1, 5:1, 6:1, 95:3,
95:8, 164:22,
167:20, 178:3,
178:8, 178:12,
187:18, 196:22,
200:9
30th [3] - 1:20, 27:16,
33:4
31 [2] - 141:3, 141:12
31st [3] - 33:4, 153:17,
155:10
32 [6] - 6:7, 145:22,
146:2, 147:4, 148:9,
248:1
33 [5] - 6:7, 39:6,
151:9, 152:22, 248:2
34 [3] - 6:8, 153:11,
248:2

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

35 [4] - 6:8, 155:7,


155:23, 248:2
359TH [1] - 1:7
359th [1] - 1:22
36 [2] - 6:9, 248:2
37 [7] - 6:9, 111:13,
112:18, 113:22,
115:1, 115:2, 115:5
370-9728 [2] - 2:7,
2:12
38 [2] - 6:10, 248:4
3:36 [1] - 26:10

4
4 [15] - 6:5, 25:4,
59:13, 61:6, 61:15,
61:18, 62:12, 62:13,
71:14, 75:16, 78:2,
81:23, 85:2, 85:9,
193:14
40 [4] - 141:15,
162:18, 233:18,
233:20
40th [1] - 233:21
43 [2] - 3:5, 5:4
463-3088 [2] - 2:6,
2:11
48 [1] - 37:7
494-2462 [1] - 2:17

5
5 [8] - 84:1, 84:5,
84:17, 85:9, 103:11,
103:12, 212:6, 219:8
50 [1] - 202:11
512 [4] - 2:6, 2:7, 2:11,
2:12
52 [2] - 6:4
58 [2] - 6:4
5:00 [1] - 22:22
5th [5] - 184:9, 196:23,
228:10, 233:23

6
6 [4] - 25:20, 85:12,
87:21, 175:18
62 [2] - 6:5
6th [5] - 29:9, 29:23,
30:17, 30:20, 140:3

7
7 [15] - 3:2, 6:5, 28:11,
30:2, 85:15, 87:21,
177:17, 184:6,
195:2, 198:9, 212:2,
223:8, 224:4,
234:12, 248:1

70 [2] - 3:6, 5:4


77301 [1] - 2:16
77385 [1] - 233:16
77393 [1] - 254:20
78711-2548 [2] - 2:6,
2:11
7th [7] - 20:10, 21:14,
26:3, 26:9, 28:4,
31:12, 31:15

8
8 [7] - 3:5, 5:3, 20:18,
24:11, 25:12,
102:24, 202:23
803 [2] - 46:18, 148:19
87 [1] - 39:18
8th [22] - 11:12, 12:13,
21:16, 21:25, 22:5,
23:1, 23:5, 23:12,
23:16, 23:19, 25:18,
27:8, 28:4, 42:13,
50:19, 50:23, 108:3,
108:5, 112:6,
112:16, 175:3,
179:10

9
90 [2] - 3:6, 5:5
91 [1] - 40:6
92 [2] - 3:7, 5:5
93 [2] - 3:8, 3:8
9333 [5] - 29:12,
184:7, 184:9,
198:15, 235:1
936 [1] - 2:17
94 [2] - 3:11, 5:17
9:00 [1] - 247:17
9:45 [1] - 28:2
9th [1] - 26:10

A
A-okay [1] - 181:13
a.m [1] - 27:9
abatements [1] - 93:8
Abbot's [1] - 58:13
Abbott [1] - 57:14
ability [1] - 50:23
able [4] - 47:21, 65:14,
76:1, 173:17
above-entitled [1] 1:21
above-styled [1] 254:6
absence [16] - 62:21,
158:20, 162:6,
164:13, 165:2,
178:24, 186:15,

186:19, 186:20,
187:16, 187:19,
187:20, 194:11,
194:15, 194:16,
239:15
absences [1] - 102:2
absent [3] - 101:16,
158:21, 187:16
absolutely [3] - 69:2,
149:6, 199:16
abstract [1] - 232:5
abuse [1] - 105:9
accelerate [1] - 23:23
accept [2] - 201:4,
228:19
acceptable [1] - 61:22
accepted [1] - 96:15
accommodated [1] 158:4
accordance [3] 63:15, 63:18, 80:17
according [1] - 15:25
account [1] - 28:15
accountability [1] 15:21
accurate [5] - 49:5,
148:24, 149:2,
149:10, 187:1
acquire [1] - 81:9
act [2] - 42:23, 204:14
acted [1] - 184:2
action [5] - 60:1,
125:5, 167:10,
230:14, 238:1
actions [2] - 46:20,
236:11
active [6] - 13:13,
13:20, 13:24, 54:18,
96:24, 97:8
activism [1] - 222:11
activities [2] - 97:4,
97:10
activity [4] - 25:25,
96:21, 97:1, 99:10
actual [2] - 38:3, 71:15
add [1] - 237:7
addition [2] - 55:3,
64:14
additional [2] - 154:5,
244:2
additionally [3] 78:20, 132:25,
202:23
address [63] - 11:18,
13:1, 21:19, 27:19,
29:2, 29:15, 29:17,
29:19, 29:20, 30:19,
30:22, 31:4, 38:7,
42:16, 53:5, 72:17,
72:22, 73:13, 73:20,

73:22, 116:25,
117:3, 155:20,
164:11, 164:16,
164:23, 164:24,
165:20, 167:22,
172:12, 172:17,
173:10, 173:13,
184:8, 184:15,
184:22, 198:10,
198:12, 198:14,
212:7, 212:11,
213:16, 213:19,
213:21, 214:3,
214:5, 214:22,
216:14, 217:10,
217:11, 220:17,
220:21, 222:2,
228:18, 229:13,
231:15, 233:13,
233:15, 235:18,
243:21
addressed [6] - 124:2,
124:5, 150:5,
250:18, 251:7, 251:9
addresses [7] - 116:9,
156:12, 156:14,
156:15, 156:16,
157:24, 164:19
addressing [1] 176:19
adhere [1] - 187:18
adjourned [1] - 253:19
ADM [1] - 6:2
administrative [11] 85:22, 120:1, 120:2,
142:13, 142:22,
142:23, 152:25,
159:15, 167:23,
178:2, 178:5
administratively [1] 210:19
administrator [5] 209:22, 209:25,
210:6, 217:24, 224:1
administrators [1] 215:8
admired [2] - 222:6,
222:22
admissibility [1] 133:18
admit [1] - 133:21
admitted [25] - 52:8,
52:10, 52:11, 56:18,
58:8, 58:10, 58:11,
61:16, 62:9, 62:12,
62:13, 112:20,
115:3, 115:5, 116:3,
117:10, 117:12,
117:13, 147:5,
152:24, 155:24,

202:25, 203:8,
224:5, 254:10
admitting [1] - 148:7
adopted [1] - 154:13
Adrian [106] - 6:7, 6:7,
6:8, 6:8, 7:3, 11:21,
11:23, 11:25, 12:4,
12:11, 14:13, 15:8,
15:18, 15:25, 16:12,
16:22, 17:13, 18:12,
18:18, 26:12, 44:7,
45:19, 46:3, 47:15,
50:18, 50:19, 50:22,
51:22, 52:13, 52:17,
52:20, 52:23, 53:6,
57:9, 64:8, 64:21,
68:7, 68:10, 69:9,
69:23, 82:18, 82:22,
83:24, 90:20, 92:6,
93:20, 93:24, 94:18,
94:24, 96:11, 96:21,
96:25, 97:6, 98:8,
99:1, 101:1, 101:3,
101:9, 101:11,
102:17, 110:19,
111:3, 111:5,
111:24, 112:12,
113:10, 114:15,
121:1, 121:16,
122:8, 124:13,
135:19, 138:16,
144:12, 144:21,
145:3, 145:24,
146:5, 149:5, 149:7,
149:9, 153:4, 156:8,
174:14, 174:23,
180:12, 184:7,
188:21, 189:7,
190:22, 190:24,
191:10, 191:14,
192:23, 194:18,
196:23, 200:19,
200:22, 206:21,
211:12, 227:13,
233:25, 235:25,
238:3
ADRIAN [1] - 1:7
Adrian's [6] - 46:19,
46:25, 47:16, 96:12,
99:20, 102:5
Adrienne [1] - 109:6
adult [1] - 34:24
adversary [1] - 200:4
advice [16] - 66:19,
66:21, 66:22, 67:25,
68:4, 122:15,
137:12, 140:17,
143:8, 143:16,
143:18, 143:20,
173:4, 231:3, 232:10

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

advise [4] - 49:8,


142:21, 154:2, 158:1
advised [1] - 67:23
advising [1] - 144:6
advisor [1] - 144:8
advisory [6] - 119:22,
120:4, 120:6,
120:12, 120:17,
142:18
affidavit [5] - 55:2,
162:8, 162:10,
181:21, 222:5
affirm [2] - 195:6,
196:4
affirmation [1] 196:11
affirming [4] - 98:10,
191:25, 192:12,
196:9
Afghanistan [1] 164:19
African [1] - 248:23
afternoon [1] - 22:19
afterwards [1] 204:16
AG [9] - 74:18, 78:19,
78:20, 78:21, 85:1,
85:2, 85:6, 106:9,
205:21
age [9] - 13:15, 13:18,
13:19, 13:21, 13:24,
28:18, 55:5, 58:16,
75:25
agencies [2] - 139:23,
142:16
agency [8] - 106:20,
106:24, 141:9,
142:13, 142:18,
142:23, 144:8, 186:2
agents [2] - 135:6,
175:8
ago [11] - 11:6, 19:23,
44:20, 44:21, 95:3,
95:8, 97:17, 193:15,
213:10
agree [8] - 23:14,
23:15, 70:25, 74:19,
81:6, 87:13, 126:4,
213:3
agreement [4] - 42:7,
42:10, 43:13, 71:22
ahead [24] - 11:11,
42:25, 53:12, 56:23,
92:20, 98:25, 144:2,
145:1, 157:10,
177:14, 179:8,
180:2, 190:4, 192:5,
201:18, 208:6,
230:2, 235:12,
235:20, 244:5,

246:18, 246:23,
247:23, 250:8
aided [1] - 1:25
air [1] - 164:18
Airlines [1] - 233:20
Alice [1] - 44:14
aliens [1] - 48:1
allegations [2] - 9:4,
106:6
allege [1] - 160:15
alleging [2] - 106:12,
248:23
ALLISON [3] - 3:4,
5:3, 8:1
Allison [15] - 7:14,
7:20, 7:21, 8:7,
27:19, 37:9, 42:15,
44:14, 47:5, 50:6,
70:9, 71:17, 74:11,
84:17
allow [2] - 38:2,
204:12
allowed [7] - 31:9,
75:13, 78:22, 107:4,
107:6, 122:24,
203:17
allowing [1] - 63:10
alone [4] - 60:5,
163:14
ALPHABETICAL [1] 5:1
altering [1] - 123:20
alternative [1] 253:12
amendment [1] 141:19
Amendment [1] 173:19
American [1] - 248:24
analysis [1] - 53:24
Andrade [2] - 129:20,
130:6
angry [1] - 182:14
animate [1] - 249:12
animated [1] - 249:12
Ann [2] - 138:2, 138:6
anniversary [2] 233:21, 233:23
annual [1] - 215:13
answer [17] - 80:23,
141:1, 143:23,
163:9, 163:25,
165:15, 179:24,
184:5, 194:2,
206:23, 215:15,
215:22, 225:24,
237:7, 238:11,
238:13, 241:14
answered [9] 121:13, 121:14,

140:13, 140:15,
179:6, 180:16,
189:25, 194:23,
237:1
answers [7] - 98:10,
163:1, 193:7, 231:8,
238:18, 244:2
Antonio [1] - 165:25
anxious [1] - 49:7
anyhow [1] - 163:9
anyway [1] - 172:24
apartment [3] - 17:23,
29:17, 198:12
apartments [1] - 17:19
apologize [2] 243:17, 244:1
appeal [3] - 230:21,
231:1
APPEARANCES [1] 2:1
appeared [4] - 117:17,
125:5, 156:10,
212:24
appellate [4] - 199:2,
199:3, 199:6, 202:21
apples [1] - 191:18
applicable [2] - 81:21,
82:5
applicant [2] - 177:19,
178:1
application [35] 28:16, 30:9, 42:15,
72:6, 77:1, 79:13,
87:18, 87:20, 88:3,
142:9, 162:9,
162:10, 165:19,
166:25, 167:1,
168:13, 172:14,
175:23, 178:2,
181:23, 181:24,
182:18, 196:13,
196:14, 196:15,
197:1, 197:5, 212:6,
216:14, 220:23,
234:15, 234:21,
251:3, 252:8, 252:9
applications [6] 28:12, 49:3, 78:23,
79:1, 173:1
applied [1] - 89:24
applies [2] - 76:22,
125:15
apply [2] - 55:13,
137:14
appointed [1] - 217:23
appraisal [2] - 108:25,
219:1
appreciate [1] - 184:4
appreciation [1] 114:6

approach [25] - 8:18,


24:15, 51:13, 61:3,
61:25, 62:7, 110:11,
111:11, 115:25,
117:14, 130:10,
130:18, 145:18,
155:5, 158:13,
159:20, 189:21,
193:10, 202:6,
211:24, 216:23,
219:4, 220:4, 223:5,
234:10
appropriate [3] 118:16, 190:12,
250:10
approved [1] - 207:6
approving [3] 202:14, 203:17,
207:2
April [17] - 11:5,
14:25, 15:6, 27:16,
29:9, 29:23, 30:17,
30:20, 36:5, 48:4,
75:2, 79:19, 83:16,
144:7, 156:7, 211:3,
223:21
area [4] - 116:11,
139:21, 190:3,
214:25
areas [1] - 243:18
arguably [1] - 48:12
argue [1] - 160:23
arguing [2] - 186:12,
253:15
argumentative [1] 208:19
arguments [1] - 150:1
arranger [1] - 45:13
Article [1] - 6:6
article [17] - 130:23,
131:1, 131:11,
131:19, 131:23,
132:2, 132:7, 132:8,
132:12, 132:14,
133:21, 134:20,
135:2, 212:24,
215:20, 215:24,
216:9
articles [1] - 132:20
Arts [1] - 105:3
aspect [2] - 41:16,
41:19
assert [1] - 134:11
asserted [7] - 46:18,
47:24, 147:19,
148:21, 149:20,
185:19, 236:9
asserting [1] - 180:5
assign [1] - 105:22
assigned [2] - 109:5,

109:7
assigns [1] - 106:23
Assistant [4] - 2:4,
2:9, 69:3, 223:1
assistant [5] - 104:22,
105:14, 105:16,
192:21, 240:8
Associates [1] 128:14
assume [2] - 109:12,
114:1
assuming [2] 184:14, 184:15
assumption [2] 23:14, 200:4
asterisk [1] - 251:21
astute [1] - 14:23
AT [1] - 2:15
attached [1] - 108:25
attempt [1] - 114:23
attempted [2] 218:21, 218:23
attempts [1] - 155:24
attending [1] - 76:23
attention [11] - 14:5,
14:11, 14:15, 69:9,
92:25, 94:3, 108:12,
109:10, 218:5,
226:17, 249:3
attitude [14] - 43:23,
202:2, 203:1, 203:5,
203:11, 204:3,
204:8, 206:1,
206:15, 206:24,
207:12, 207:23,
208:2, 208:7
attorney [69] - 7:3,
7:4, 8:23, 31:25,
43:10, 46:5, 46:12,
48:10, 51:9, 57:12,
57:18, 59:5, 67:22,
68:3, 70:10, 78:6,
100:16, 104:22,
105:17, 106:15,
107:10, 109:5,
110:4, 113:6, 120:9,
120:17, 129:3,
130:25, 137:15,
137:23, 138:3,
138:10, 139:10,
139:22, 140:16,
142:19, 143:2,
143:5, 143:17,
144:1, 146:12,
146:13, 167:9,
168:7, 192:21,
193:17, 218:14,
230:6, 230:10,
230:15, 230:17,
230:20, 231:5,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

231:21, 231:23,
231:24, 232:1,
232:5, 232:10,
240:11, 240:12,
240:18, 240:25,
241:4, 241:8, 241:18
ATTORNEY [4] - 2:2,
2:5, 2:10, 2:15
Attorney [6] - 2:4, 2:9,
6:4, 58:13, 69:4,
223:1
Attorney's [1] - 105:6
attorney's [6] 105:20, 105:24,
114:1, 122:14,
125:3, 137:12
attorney-client [1] 143:2
attorneys [25] - 10:12,
46:10, 64:17, 68:14,
93:16, 100:12,
122:24, 136:22,
137:9, 138:11,
140:12, 141:24,
143:12, 144:10,
181:2, 185:13,
205:12, 205:15,
205:17, 218:9,
228:7, 240:4, 240:7,
240:13
audio [1] - 248:3
Audio [1] - 6:10
August [11] - 128:17,
189:13, 189:17,
190:1, 190:6,
191:24, 192:12,
192:14, 201:21,
202:5, 206:18
Austin [13] - 2:6, 2:11,
20:1, 105:11,
139:14, 139:21,
183:3, 183:5, 183:7,
183:9, 183:13,
183:18, 183:20
Australia [2] - 94:25,
95:11
authenticated [2] 132:25
authentication [1] 131:1
authorities [2] - 68:15,
243:24
authority [15] - 51:2,
113:6, 138:13,
142:17, 143:22,
152:25, 159:10,
166:24, 167:6,
185:14, 185:20,
185:22, 186:4,
186:6, 215:7

authorized [1] - 130:6


automated [1] 222:16
automatic [1] - 167:24
average [2] - 140:24,
197:18
avoid [1] - 43:14
award [1] - 113:21
aware [15] - 14:2,
36:7, 36:10, 69:6,
99:1, 100:9, 185:16,
193:25, 225:17,
226:1, 227:6,
227:25, 228:6,
234:25, 235:3
awareness [1] 168:21

B
B.A [1] - 139:13
Bachelor's [1] - 105:3
bachelor's [1] - 129:1
backdoor [1] - 54:1
backed [1] - 184:1
background [8] 94:22, 96:12, 96:13,
105:1, 128:23,
139:11, 235:17,
237:20
backtrack [1] - 199:8
backup [1] - 230:19
bag [1] - 102:18
ballot [10] - 25:8,
154:18, 154:19,
154:24, 155:2,
217:12, 217:15,
217:17, 230:18,
242:24
ballots [2] - 154:10,
158:4
bank [2] - 122:19,
144:2
bar [1] - 167:13
barn [1] - 171:14
Bartlett [6] - 56:11,
57:4, 57:9, 163:10,
163:19, 188:22
base [2] - 110:10,
173:9
based [21] - 9:16,
63:9, 64:20, 75:12,
75:13, 78:11, 78:13,
86:24, 88:20,
117:17, 143:8,
148:6, 150:14,
166:20, 172:5,
185:15, 191:19,
203:1, 203:22,
208:8, 230:1

bases [2] - 164:18,


199:25
basic [1] - 109:2
basis [11] - 58:3, 70:3,
93:19, 111:2, 111:6,
112:22, 129:14,
134:2, 134:4, 142:1,
142:10
basketball [1] - 67:17
Beach [1] - 95:12
bearing [2] - 177:13,
225:5
Beaumont [2] - 75:10,
209:17
became [1] - 235:3
become [2] - 13:24,
183:14
becomes [3] - 166:9,
178:12, 181:2
beginning [2] - 91:22,
108:10
behalf [1] - 227:1
behavior [2] - 201:25,
202:4
behind [3] - 7:8,
76:13, 166:25
belief [6] - 149:21,
149:23, 149:25,
250:15, 252:1, 253:3
bell [3] - 135:4,
176:20, 189:19
belongings [1] 102:15
below [1] - 138:7
Ben [6] - 8:8, 8:10,
8:17, 9:10, 27:19,
42:22
bench [7] - 8:19,
10:16, 50:15, 98:23,
134:7, 177:11,
206:10
Bench [6] - 8:21,
47:10, 98:5, 130:20,
175:20, 202:8
Bending [1] - 233:16
benefit [1] - 12:7
BENJAMIN [3] - 3:4,
5:3, 8:1
Benjamin [4] - 7:14,
7:19, 8:7, 42:15
Berntsen [4] - 17:3,
39:19, 40:2, 74:11
best [4] - 55:7, 76:3,
173:13, 179:20
better [3] - 10:1, 62:2,
67:10
between [12] - 20:25,
46:23, 46:24, 80:5,
87:14, 110:22,
140:23, 143:3,

147:5, 160:17,
224:20, 225:4
beyond [1] - 203:16
biggest [1] - 98:2
Bill [1] - 17:3
bill [1] - 206:7
binding [1] - 81:25
birthday [6] - 11:4,
30:4, 31:6, 31:8,
95:18
bit [7] - 21:4, 46:6,
103:12, 104:25,
202:3, 237:24, 238:4
bits [1] - 56:2
black [1] - 39:25
bless [2] - 98:8, 205:2
blinking [1] - 71:14
block [2] - 117:1,
117:3
blog [1] - 132:13
blue [2] - 12:9, 39:13
blunt [1] - 190:16
bluntly [1] - 181:22
blur [2] - 212:12,
213:11
blurry [2] - 54:9, 62:16
blush [1] - 62:21
board [6] - 17:5, 17:7,
49:22, 89:12, 151:2
Board [8] - 11:15,
14:12, 15:22, 15:24,
16:7, 19:11, 19:15,
235:7
bodily [8] - 60:5,
60:11, 65:4, 65:8,
163:14, 164:6,
166:2, 166:8
body [1] - 150:25
bolstering [1] - 114:23
bond [1] - 53:2
bonded [1] - 207:9
book [1] - 32:23
booked [2] - 33:21,
34:9
booking [1] - 33:20
books [1] - 102:11
born [3] - 44:19, 87:8,
95:17
boss [3] - 107:8,
110:1, 110:4
bottom [6] - 35:19,
39:17, 46:3, 163:1,
177:18, 195:4
boundaries [7] 17:16, 17:18, 18:5,
18:9, 154:6, 156:11,
157:24
bounds [1] - 125:3
Box [5] - 2:5, 2:10,
29:15, 198:10,

254:20
box [5] - 22:8, 29:14,
29:18, 30:18, 198:14
Boyd [17] - 8:9, 10:18,
11:10, 11:18, 13:8,
23:6, 23:11, 27:20,
28:24, 29:3, 30:23,
37:11, 79:18, 79:20,
79:22, 80:3, 80:12
branches [1] - 240:5
break [7] - 50:12,
84:4, 84:6, 84:7,
127:11, 150:12,
169:25
breath [1] - 49:19
Brett [6] - 105:12,
105:13, 105:19,
107:8, 110:4, 227:2
Brett's [1] - 111:20
Bridge [1] - 74:9
bridge [1] - 172:14
Brief [2] - 84:11, 170:5
brief [6] - 51:8, 92:20,
92:21, 144:18,
243:11, 243:14
briefly [3] - 94:21,
126:15, 156:19
bring [9] - 7:10, 14:14,
54:10, 56:19,
127:19, 131:18,
218:5, 226:17, 249:3
bringing [2] - 114:13,
229:6
broad [2] - 12:16,
221:14
broke [1] - 249:15
broker [1] - 45:14
Brook [1] - 74:8
brother [34] - 12:19,
12:22, 18:14, 24:24,
27:1, 27:4, 27:24,
30:1, 30:11, 30:20,
32:15, 33:16, 34:3,
34:11, 34:13, 34:19,
34:23, 35:25, 36:10,
36:24, 37:2, 37:21,
40:17, 41:23, 42:2,
43:1, 44:16, 45:3,
52:18, 67:5, 71:24,
74:14, 187:6, 187:10
brother's [2] - 30:4,
37:8
brother-in-law [1] 187:6
brothers [1] - 10:22
brought [8] - 14:11,
31:23, 69:9, 102:4,
108:12, 109:9,
198:17, 229:3
budget [1] - 105:23

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

building [2] - 171:16,


171:17
builds [1] - 183:21
bulletin [1] - 151:2
bunch [1] - 183:21
burden [2] - 77:23,
251:15
business [14] - 19:18,
21:10, 29:19, 29:20,
32:17, 105:4,
105:23, 171:12,
198:14, 212:25,
213:2, 213:15,
213:17, 213:20
businesses [2] 19:25, 158:6
businesslike [1] 214:10
busy [3] - 213:11,
227:12, 249:2
buy [2] - 19:21, 20:18
BY [128] - 8:4, 10:17,
13:7, 24:18, 42:21,
50:17, 51:16, 52:12,
54:5, 54:10, 56:24,
58:12, 61:5, 62:2,
62:14, 63:17, 70:8,
71:17, 76:18, 84:17,
89:17, 92:5, 94:16,
99:1, 99:24, 100:21,
104:18, 110:13,
111:12, 113:22,
115:8, 116:2,
117:15, 119:13,
121:5, 123:5,
124:24, 125:19,
126:18, 128:10,
130:13, 134:19,
134:23, 135:10,
139:6, 143:25,
145:2, 145:21,
148:9, 150:13,
152:19, 153:9,
154:2, 156:6,
156:21, 157:12,
159:6, 159:23,
161:25, 163:9,
170:11, 170:21,
173:24, 174:13,
177:15, 179:9,
179:20, 180:3,
180:21, 187:4,
188:13, 188:20,
189:13, 190:5,
190:23, 192:6,
192:11, 193:3,
193:13, 194:18,
194:25, 195:3,
195:24, 196:3,
197:24, 198:8,

201:20, 206:15,
207:1, 207:5,
207:12, 207:20,
207:23, 208:2,
208:15, 209:15,
210:15, 212:1,
216:1, 216:9,
216:13, 216:25,
218:13, 219:7,
220:7, 223:7,
223:19, 224:8,
224:13, 225:17,
226:1, 226:7, 227:1,
227:19, 230:4,
230:13, 232:16,
233:12, 234:11,
235:21, 236:13,
237:15, 238:23,
239:17, 240:24,
241:17, 244:8,
245:11
bypass [1] - 149:15

C
calculus [1] - 48:12
calendar [1] - 91:22
California [4] - 94:24,
95:4, 95:10, 96:16
call-in [1] - 137:2
camera [1] - 40:24
campus [1] - 74:25
cancel [3] - 150:23,
151:6, 166:19
canceling [2] 150:18, 151:1
cancellation [3] 150:17, 151:3,
167:24
cancellations [1] 210:20
candidacy [2] - 145:7,
160:16
candidate [8] - 14:16,
14:18, 145:15,
151:4, 162:7, 162:9,
171:11, 183:10
candidate's [1] 162:10
candidates [2] 141:7, 160:15
cannot [11] - 91:20,
91:21, 135:15,
143:25, 176:11,
179:11, 185:12,
186:1, 213:19,
214:3, 215:9
capable [1] - 55:8
capacity [2] - 128:16,
162:5

car [3] - 21:9, 21:10,


179:3
card [18] - 11:18, 13:8,
21:19, 21:22, 26:4,
26:18, 41:6, 41:8,
67:17, 165:9, 168:9,
178:15, 195:1,
197:9, 199:14,
213:24, 214:4,
229:21
cards [4] - 28:12,
210:20, 210:21,
215:8
care [1] - 191:21
career [1] - 164:17
careful [8] - 10:2,
10:14, 119:9,
180:23, 181:3,
181:11, 181:16,
247:19
carefully [1] - 123:11
Caribbean [1] - 81:3
CAROL [3] - 3:22,
5:11, 209:12
Carol [5] - 6:5, 110:7,
110:17, 110:20,
209:7
case [61] - 8:24, 8:25,
43:2, 47:18, 52:8,
55:24, 56:3, 56:13,
56:16, 57:4, 57:6,
57:7, 59:5, 61:16,
62:22, 64:1, 64:4,
75:6, 80:21, 81:20,
93:16, 106:1,
112:20, 113:2,
114:12, 117:10,
125:16, 131:3,
131:21, 132:20,
142:1, 143:7,
143:19, 147:5,
148:6, 149:17,
150:11, 152:24,
153:20, 155:24,
162:9, 163:10,
163:11, 164:6,
165:4, 167:4,
169:22, 174:16,
181:13, 181:14,
188:16, 198:3,
203:4, 205:16,
215:16, 224:8,
224:21, 238:16
case-by-case [1] 142:1
cases [19] - 55:25,
56:2, 56:6, 56:10,
57:3, 62:25, 81:21,
82:5, 105:9, 143:16,
159:13, 163:19,

163:20, 167:3,
169:12, 170:22,
170:25, 173:21,
200:9
cast [7] - 18:6, 22:9,
25:7, 68:24, 154:18,
175:3, 187:9
catch [1] - 10:5
categories [2] 126:21, 200:15
category [1] - 181:15
Catherine [1] - 98:3
CAUSE [1] - 1:1
caused [3] - 18:25,
93:20, 204:4
caution [4] - 123:9,
124:7, 125:4, 239:7
cautioned [4] 123:11, 203:10,
228:5, 229:12
cautioning [2] 220:22, 222:4
cautious [1] - 10:2
Cell [1] - 254:21
Center [1] - 96:9
central [1] - 188:15
century [2] - 170:24,
171:3
CEO [1] - 105:20
certain [7] - 96:20,
115:23, 124:18,
174:1, 175:16,
203:2, 214:3
certainly [5] - 101:19,
133:24, 144:5,
188:7, 201:2
certificate [3] - 55:4,
140:20, 198:1
certification [2] 219:9, 219:22
Certified [1] - 254:3
certify [4] - 218:19,
254:4, 254:9, 254:12
chain [3] - 146:11,
146:18, 150:15
chair [8] - 98:3,
236:23, 237:22,
242:11, 242:25,
243:4, 243:5, 249:7
Challenge [1] - 6:9
challenge [12] - 65:12,
66:15, 111:17,
167:12, 167:15,
167:16, 167:25,
213:19, 214:3,
230:17, 231:19,
232:17
challenged [1] 171:11
challenges [1] -

200:16
challenging [1] 126:22
chance [2] - 47:19,
119:11
chances [1] - 133:17
change [28] - 28:24,
30:19, 36:13, 38:13,
44:2, 51:6, 53:14,
53:19, 54:17, 55:1,
58:3, 65:14, 65:16,
69:24, 90:2, 91:18,
91:22, 91:24, 93:14,
124:4, 166:7,
176:11, 184:6,
187:21, 212:7,
216:13, 238:23,
242:19
changed [12] - 18:12,
18:13, 31:3, 68:1,
91:4, 92:6, 116:25,
117:2, 204:10,
206:1, 214:5, 235:1
changes [1] - 123:2
changing [7] - 36:11,
64:12, 123:18,
124:2, 212:10,
235:18, 236:21
Chapter [1] - 141:3
chapter [1] - 141:12
characterize [1] 12:10
charge [11] - 20:21,
20:22, 20:23, 21:11,
138:4, 138:11,
189:19, 222:13,
250:10, 250:21,
252:15
charged [9] - 34:6,
41:25, 42:2, 72:1,
106:21, 122:8,
134:5, 141:9, 224:22
charges [3] - 168:8,
168:11, 250:25
chastising [1] 203:15
cheap [1] - 68:12
check [2] - 23:9, 26:9
checked [8] - 22:14,
22:16, 22:24, 23:1,
28:2, 30:18, 38:9,
218:3
checking [2] - 33:4,
240:5
chief [4] - 105:10,
105:18, 109:8,
141:13
child [1] - 105:9
children [2] - 95:21,
95:22

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

choice [1] - 64:25


choices [1] - 19:23
choose [3] - 18:11,
19:9, 90:19
choosing [3] - 174:6,
213:13, 243:12
chose [1] - 89:10
Chris [1] - 109:8
CHRONOLOGICAL
[2] - 3:1, 4:1
circumstance [3] 76:11, 76:15, 252:5
circumstances [22] 16:6, 59:22, 71:24,
74:15, 75:14, 76:19,
81:20, 84:20, 85:3,
143:4, 144:4, 161:9,
161:10, 169:11,
171:10, 171:25,
200:1, 203:12,
203:22, 204:14,
204:16, 251:24
circumstantial [3] 159:2, 166:13,
200:13
citation [1] - 159:6
citations [1] - 59:5
cited [5] - 56:11, 57:3,
118:22, 163:20,
174:16
cites [1] - 55:25
citing [1] - 163:10
citizen [4] - 58:16,
77:16, 136:16,
195:10
citizens [4] - 122:15,
136:20, 137:8,
137:11
civil [4] - 51:1, 143:7,
203:14, 231:25
claim [7] - 143:7,
165:23, 182:15,
182:22, 183:5,
184:17, 185:4
claimed [3] - 165:25,
171:6, 187:12
claiming [2] - 69:18,
178:17
claims [2] - 171:11,
183:11
clarification [5] 221:5, 221:8, 221:9,
221:10, 221:22
clarified [1] - 221:7
clarify [2] - 213:3,
249:25
class [2] - 90:18,
176:22
Clause [1] - 173:18
clean [3] - 61:20,

154:14, 155:3
clear [7] - 63:20, 86:3,
93:4, 113:17,
113:18, 194:12,
201:11
clearly [3] - 10:6, 71:4,
213:17
cleaves [1] - 164:4
clerk [2] - 216:19,
230:25
client [18] - 93:17,
131:25, 132:6,
133:5, 133:20,
135:19, 135:22,
143:2, 143:5,
144:12, 147:5,
147:20, 147:23,
170:21, 175:12,
203:5, 204:4
client's [3] - 153:7,
153:25, 155:24
clients [1] - 98:20
clock [2] - 205:1,
211:3
close [6] - 10:15,
22:21, 38:12, 92:25,
130:24, 217:15
closed [1] - 22:24
closer [1] - 42:22
closest [1] - 173:13
closet [1] - 102:13
clothes [2] - 36:20,
102:13
coast [1] - 169:17
coastal [1] - 172:23
code [37] - 50:25,
51:4, 51:5, 60:19,
60:24, 61:10, 63:20,
64:2, 75:22, 76:22,
77:2, 78:14, 79:6,
80:19, 80:22, 80:23,
80:24, 80:25, 81:2,
85:19, 88:15, 107:2,
136:18, 137:3,
137:14, 138:13,
141:10, 141:12,
142:11, 142:15,
158:12, 159:8,
178:21, 237:24
Code [3] - 6:5, 140:18,
141:4
coincide [2] - 60:6,
163:15
coins [1] - 111:17
cold [2] - 87:9, 106:1
collective [1] - 175:18
college [34] - 45:1,
54:12, 54:13, 54:16,
54:17, 54:18, 54:19,
54:23, 54:25, 55:14,

55:16, 55:18, 63:5,


63:10, 74:20, 74:24,
75:7, 75:9, 75:10,
75:13, 76:2, 76:22,
77:3, 82:10, 82:16,
89:1, 90:12, 90:17,
126:25, 174:5,
200:17
colonists [1] - 19:21
color [1] - 39:24
combination [3] 25:4, 86:10, 163:25
comfort [1] - 207:15
comfortable [1] 246:22
coming [2] - 48:1,
93:22
comment [5] - 132:8,
238:14, 238:19,
238:20, 238:21
commenting [2] 191:16, 203:13
comments [6] - 130:7,
132:1, 133:6,
133:10, 134:24,
157:2
commercial [1] 171:13
commit [1] - 117:24
committed [5] 122:18, 175:24,
176:1, 184:23,
184:24
committee [3] 141:23, 142:4, 150:2
committing [4] 68:25, 94:3, 187:20,
189:19
common [14] - 63:15,
63:18, 63:25, 80:17,
80:21, 80:24, 80:25,
160:17, 170:15,
172:6, 172:8,
172:20, 197:11
common-law [4] 63:15, 63:18, 80:17,
197:11
common-sense [1] 172:20
commonly [1] 143:12
communicate [2] 99:9, 111:1
communicating [2] 147:21, 155:25
communication [5] 98:11, 115:8,
128:15, 225:8, 249:2
communications [7] 110:19, 110:20,

128:20, 129:11,
145:9, 145:12, 147:5
companies [1] 102:22
company [3] - 45:11,
128:14, 233:24
compared [1] - 183:18
complain [2] - 214:24,
222:21
complaint [4] 106:11, 108:13,
211:17, 222:12
complaints [2] 78:17, 213:22
complete [1] - 194:2
completed [2] 195:11, 241:14
completely [2] 147:11, 168:18
comply [1] - 80:20
composed [1] 141:23
computer [1] - 1:25
computer-aided [1] 1:25
conceivable [1] 168:20
concern [5] - 15:13,
15:14, 15:19,
231:13, 243:18
concerned [3] 190:14, 236:21,
246:15
concerning [2] 76:21, 82:1
concerns [5] - 82:12,
109:22, 118:10,
118:13, 252:10
conciliatory [1] 207:13
concise [1] - 252:25
concluded [1] - 64:24
concludes [1] - 87:23
conclusion [21] 9:13, 53:16, 53:25,
54:14, 54:22, 55:21,
56:8, 70:24, 71:1,
75:22, 87:23, 89:23,
90:4, 93:14, 94:1,
118:21, 250:18,
251:7, 251:10,
251:25, 252:6
conclusions [1] 121:19
conclusive [5] 161:3, 166:10,
166:11, 166:15,
166:16
conclusively [2] 161:15, 172:4

concrete [1] - 161:16


conduct [4] - 210:12,
210:15, 211:5, 211:6
conducted [2] - 210:8,
211:4
conducting [1] - 220:2
conducts [1] - 78:18
confer [2] - 109:24,
110:7
conference [12] 8:21, 10:16, 47:10,
50:15, 98:5, 98:23,
130:20, 134:7,
175:20, 177:11,
202:8, 206:10
conferred [1] - 110:2
conferring [2] 147:23, 236:10
confirm [1] - 154:9
confirmation [3] 167:17, 213:23,
214:4
confirmed [1] - 132:7
confuse [2] - 133:11,
133:17
confused [2] - 123:1,
194:6
confusing [2] 221:20, 221:21
connected [2] - 146:4,
146:25
connection [10] 158:17, 159:3,
164:2, 165:14,
165:17, 165:24,
166:4, 173:8,
184:20, 184:21
connects [2] - 42:15,
140:21
Connor [1] - 119:18
connotations [1] 9:15
Conroe [20] - 1:23,
2:16, 19:19, 20:1,
44:19, 183:4, 183:5,
183:8, 183:9,
183:14, 183:16,
183:18, 183:21,
183:22, 183:25,
184:1, 184:2,
222:18, 233:16
conscious [1] 172:10
consecutive [1] - 33:5
consequences [1] 182:10
conservative [2] 97:6, 97:7
consider [10] - 13:13,
13:16, 13:19, 134:5,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

173:15, 183:1,
184:16, 194:15,
194:16, 205:8
consideration [1] 250:11
considered [10] 60:2, 63:13, 87:12,
166:13, 183:16,
187:13, 196:14,
197:13, 199:4
consistently [3] 36:4, 86:9, 167:5
consists [1] - 153:3
constitute [1] - 10:13
constitution [1] - 12:3
Constitution [2] 167:2, 173:19
constitutional [3] 14:8, 47:21, 141:19
consult [1] - 64:11
consulted [2] - 31:25,
240:14
Cont'd)................. [2]
- 3:18, 5:20
Cont'd.)................ [2]
- 4:5, 5:9
contact [3] - 43:10,
248:24, 249:8
contacted [3] 218:10, 231:13,
231:17
contacting [1] 131:25
contains [4] - 111:13,
147:8, 157:2, 254:5
contending [1] 148:23
contents [4] - 124:4,
146:3, 223:18,
224:11
contest [9] - 19:16,
162:4, 175:1, 181:6,
183:10, 190:9,
200:9, 230:22, 232:3
contested [6] - 15:23,
16:4, 16:20, 142:18,
150:18, 199:5
contests [1] - 160:14
context [13] - 14:14,
77:2, 84:24, 123:23,
150:7, 162:3, 189:4,
189:12, 191:2,
222:8, 222:9, 222:10
Continental [1] 233:20
continue [4] - 60:11,
84:15, 162:5, 164:7
CONTINUED [2] 157:11, 244:7
Continued [1] - 4:2

continuing [1] - 152:1


contracted [1] - 211:4
contradicts [1] - 80:25
contrary [3] - 56:20,
172:6, 172:8
controversy [2] - 98:2,
181:2
convenient [1] - 173:9
conversation [46] 14:16, 15:9, 24:19,
44:11, 45:18, 46:23,
124:1, 124:12,
132:10, 133:1,
135:16, 135:22,
135:23, 144:16,
152:12, 157:20,
163:18, 169:4,
174:20, 174:22,
174:23, 174:24,
182:3, 189:6,
189:10, 189:14,
190:6, 191:24,
192:12, 201:21,
202:2, 206:18,
207:24, 212:22,
212:23, 213:10,
214:6, 214:7,
214:13, 214:18,
218:8, 225:4, 225:7,
226:13, 243:22,
243:24
conversations [23] 24:4, 46:5, 68:22,
93:18, 93:19, 111:7,
132:5, 138:15,
144:11, 144:14,
144:20, 148:11,
162:15, 175:2,
176:7, 178:25,
181:11, 192:24,
203:6, 206:16, 208:7
converse [2] - 134:14,
152:25
convicted [4] - 58:18,
77:19, 77:21, 195:11
conviction [1] - 77:23
convinced [2] - 18:16,
18:18
Cook [3] - 73:8, 234:8,
234:21
Cook's [1] - 234:22
copies [4] - 71:15,
108:24, 108:25,
119:7
copy [24] - 51:20,
52:6, 52:16, 54:6,
61:6, 61:14, 61:20,
62:2, 116:20,
119:14, 123:13,
123:15, 130:23,

146:3, 147:3,
152:23, 155:22,
159:25, 162:23,
169:11, 212:4,
224:3, 227:7, 252:21
corner [1] - 39:21
correct [201] - 13:9,
13:10, 13:12, 14:3,
15:1, 15:2, 16:21,
18:22, 19:13, 20:8,
20:13, 20:21, 21:8,
21:12, 21:24, 24:1,
24:2, 25:19, 26:14,
26:15, 27:13, 28:1,
28:3, 28:6, 28:8,
28:10, 28:13, 28:21,
28:22, 28:25, 31:4,
31:5, 31:9, 31:10,
32:19, 33:6, 33:24,
34:6, 34:7, 34:10,
35:7, 37:12, 37:25,
38:3, 38:7, 38:10,
39:10, 39:15, 39:16,
40:12, 40:15, 40:16,
40:25, 43:12, 44:6,
44:8, 49:6, 51:20,
53:4, 53:9, 53:10,
56:5, 56:9, 57:20,
57:21, 59:24, 59:25,
60:12, 60:14, 61:8,
65:2, 65:10, 65:12,
65:13, 66:1, 66:4,
66:7, 66:9, 66:16,
67:3, 68:1, 68:2,
68:5, 68:6, 70:11,
70:12, 70:15, 71:7,
71:8, 71:18, 71:19,
71:22, 71:25, 72:4,
72:11, 72:12, 72:18,
72:25, 73:24, 73:25,
74:10, 74:12, 74:16,
74:22, 75:14, 75:15,
75:23, 76:24, 77:5,
77:10, 77:11, 77:18,
77:24, 77:25, 78:2,
78:24, 79:1, 79:2,
80:3, 80:4, 80:14,
80:15, 81:12, 81:13,
84:21, 84:22, 84:24,
85:4, 85:5, 85:13,
85:16, 85:22, 85:24,
85:25, 86:15, 86:20,
86:21, 87:19, 87:21,
88:6, 88:7, 88:19,
88:22, 88:23, 89:21,
90:20, 91:2, 94:19,
96:21, 107:16,
114:19, 115:11,
115:22, 118:7,
118:8, 118:23,
118:24, 119:16,

120:3, 120:19,
120:20, 120:23,
121:22, 122:1,
136:8, 144:9, 146:3,
155:18, 157:17,
161:7, 168:10,
168:24, 177:24,
186:18, 186:20,
196:5, 198:4, 199:9,
199:11, 199:18,
199:20, 199:23,
200:3, 201:25,
209:20, 211:9,
211:10, 211:21,
214:2, 217:20,
224:1, 225:20,
226:1, 229:5, 231:5,
232:11, 234:3,
238:24, 242:1,
252:2, 254:5
correspondence [2] 223:25
corrupt [1] - 202:24
corruption [1] - 93:8
cost [5] - 21:6, 21:7,
36:16, 68:13, 254:12
couched [2] - 56:21,
78:21
couches [1] - 78:20
counsel [12] - 52:7,
58:7, 61:15, 112:19,
117:9, 136:6, 138:8,
141:24, 147:4,
152:23, 155:23,
224:4
counted [5] - 116:7,
154:10, 154:24,
155:3, 220:8
counties [2] - 150:23,
172:23
country [1] - 103:5
COUNTY [2] - 1:5,
254:2
county [29] - 97:15,
103:1, 154:8,
154:20, 154:23,
157:23, 166:18,
167:9, 167:14,
168:7, 168:19,
169:20, 172:23,
195:10, 210:7,
210:8, 210:11,
210:17, 219:18,
230:6, 230:10,
231:4, 231:8,
231:25, 232:5,
232:10, 242:22,
242:23
County [25] - 1:23,
11:12, 12:3, 14:3,

14:8, 45:25, 70:14,


82:25, 85:13, 85:16,
96:8, 104:22, 105:6,
105:11, 135:20,
172:24, 209:24,
209:25, 212:25,
215:18, 216:2,
216:6, 216:10,
242:17, 242:19
county's [1] - 231:7
couple [7] - 23:19,
51:11, 93:22,
140:24, 153:9,
159:12, 229:25
course [3] - 125:5,
174:19, 238:1
COURT [294] - 1:3,
7:2, 7:8, 7:13, 7:16,
7:21, 7:23, 7:25,
8:20, 9:1, 9:10, 9:20,
10:5, 10:11, 13:4,
13:6, 24:17, 47:3,
47:8, 47:12, 47:17,
48:3, 48:7, 48:11,
48:17, 48:21, 49:2,
49:7, 49:17, 49:24,
50:11, 50:16, 51:15,
52:10, 53:18, 53:22,
54:2, 56:17, 58:10,
61:19, 61:22, 62:8,
62:11, 70:5, 76:16,
84:3, 84:6, 84:14,
84:16, 89:15, 92:10,
92:12, 92:14, 92:17,
92:22, 94:5, 94:7,
94:9, 94:12, 98:4,
98:7, 98:15, 98:19,
98:25, 99:17, 99:23,
103:23, 104:3,
104:6, 104:8,
104:12, 104:14,
112:24, 113:1,
113:8, 113:12,
113:21, 114:10,
114:17, 114:20,
114:25, 115:3,
115:7, 117:12,
118:25, 119:8,
121:4, 122:21,
124:17, 124:20,
124:22, 126:14,
126:16, 127:8,
127:10, 127:16,
127:19, 127:23,
128:3, 128:5,
130:12, 130:19,
131:4, 131:8,
131:12, 131:20,
131:24, 132:11,
133:3, 133:7,
133:15, 133:23,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

134:8, 134:18,
135:9, 138:20,
138:22, 139:1,
143:10, 144:19,
144:22, 145:20,
147:14, 148:1,
148:4, 148:18,
148:23, 149:12,
149:14, 150:1,
150:10, 152:14,
153:5, 153:8,
153:23, 154:1,
156:2, 156:4,
156:19, 157:8,
159:22, 161:24,
169:24, 170:8,
170:10, 170:17,
173:23, 174:12,
175:14, 175:16,
175:22, 176:12,
176:17, 176:23,
177:1, 177:5,
177:10, 177:12,
179:6, 179:19,
179:22, 180:1,
180:16, 186:18,
186:25, 188:12,
189:12, 189:18,
189:22, 190:2,
190:10, 190:21,
191:1, 191:8,
191:11, 191:15,
191:22, 192:2,
192:4, 192:10,
193:1, 193:9,
193:12, 194:1,
194:4, 194:12,
194:24, 195:23,
196:1, 201:16,
201:18, 202:7,
203:12, 203:21,
204:1, 204:13,
204:20, 204:24,
205:4, 205:6,
205:14, 205:23,
206:2, 206:4, 206:8,
206:11, 206:14,
206:22, 207:4,
207:11, 207:18,
207:21, 208:5,
208:19, 208:25,
209:3, 209:6, 209:8,
209:10, 215:22,
216:8, 216:12,
218:12, 219:6,
220:6, 224:7,
224:12, 224:19,
225:6, 225:10,
225:13, 225:16,
225:22, 225:24,
226:6, 226:23,

226:25, 229:24,
230:2, 230:12,
232:22, 232:24,
233:3, 233:5, 233:8,
235:12, 235:15,
235:19, 236:7,
236:12, 236:25,
237:4, 237:6,
237:10, 237:13,
238:12, 239:15,
240:22, 241:10,
243:9, 243:19,
243:25, 244:3,
247:2, 247:5, 247:7,
247:9, 247:13,
247:23, 248:5,
248:8, 248:12,
248:15, 248:18,
249:4, 249:10,
249:14, 249:17,
250:1, 250:6, 250:8,
250:12, 250:23,
251:5, 251:14,
251:17, 251:20,
252:14, 252:18,
252:20, 252:23,
253:7, 253:13,
253:18
court [39] - 59:17,
119:9, 158:23,
159:12, 159:14,
161:18, 161:22,
162:3, 166:18,
167:7, 168:15,
168:20, 168:23,
172:3, 174:25,
183:12, 188:2,
190:9, 190:17,
190:18, 191:17,
191:21, 195:14,
198:18, 198:25,
199:2, 199:6,
199:17, 199:20,
199:25, 200:7,
202:22, 203:3,
203:14, 203:15,
203:17, 230:14,
241:11, 241:25
Court [16] - 1:23, 56:4,
88:20, 115:25,
149:15, 150:2,
158:13, 163:11,
167:3, 193:10,
203:25, 211:24,
216:23, 238:14,
247:25, 248:17
Court's [1] - 249:3
court's [4] - 183:25,
191:16, 199:3,
202:21

Court.........................
.................... [1] - 3:2
courtroom [13] - 7:12,
7:15, 7:18, 12:5,
77:10, 78:7, 84:13,
96:1, 104:2, 127:22,
127:24, 170:7,
207:24
courts [5] - 63:19,
80:18, 86:4, 86:9,
86:14
CPA [1] - 143:17
Crawford [2] - 47:18,
47:20
create [4] - 16:20,
60:6, 141:23, 163:15
credit [2] - 26:4, 26:18
crime [8] - 77:9,
113:24, 122:16,
189:19, 204:18,
220:23, 224:22,
229:18
crimes [2] - 106:1,
106:4
criminal [6] - 8:24,
176:2, 176:18,
181:25, 196:13,
231:24
Cross [12] - 3:5, 3:11,
3:13, 3:19, 3:23, 4:5,
5:4, 5:10, 5:12, 5:15,
5:18, 5:21
CROSS [7] - 42:20,
100:20, 124:23,
180:20, 208:14,
227:18, 245:10
cross [3] - 122:23,
177:8, 192:21
CROSSEXAMINATION [7] 42:20, 100:20,
124:23, 180:20,
208:14, 227:18,
245:10
cross-examination [2]
- 122:23, 192:21
cross-examine [1] 177:8
CSR [2] - 254:18,
254:19
current [1] - 118:10
Curry [15] - 26:13,
26:16, 26:22, 27:6,
27:15, 31:14, 32:18,
33:10, 33:11, 33:13,
39:14, 40:8, 67:6,
74:1
cut [1] - 252:16
cycles [1] - 168:3

D
D-32 [1] - 145:22
D-33 [1] - 151:9
D-35 [1] - 155:6
D-37 [1] - 111:13
D-5 [1] - 116:3
DA [1] - 227:2
DA's [1] - 6:9
Dabney [1] - 37:9
dad [8] - 45:6, 52:17,
52:20, 53:3, 53:6,
83:21
dad's [1] - 62:23
Dallas [1] - 20:1
danger [2] - 10:3,
10:15
data [2] - 154:15,
178:9
database [8] - 217:5,
217:9, 217:16,
218:23, 219:2,
219:16, 219:18,
219:25
date [17] - 23:3, 24:12,
29:7, 29:11, 48:3,
113:11, 114:16,
145:25, 146:5,
153:16, 176:9,
176:15, 176:16,
177:2, 177:4,
178:12, 212:15
dated [7] - 145:25,
146:1, 151:14,
175:22, 175:24,
196:22, 212:6
Dates [1] - 254:19
dates [1] - 176:6
daughter [15] - 73:11,
95:24, 100:22,
101:4, 234:22,
234:25, 235:17,
236:18, 239:1,
239:4, 239:24,
244:9, 244:11,
246:17, 246:23
daughter's [1] - 234:7
DAVID [1] - 1:7
David [8] - 2:4, 95:24,
230:7, 230:9,
230:22, 230:23,
231:13, 232:18
david.glickler@
texasattorneygeneral
.gov [1] - 2:7
Davis [1] - 2:16
day-to-day [2] 129:13, 140:7
days [15] - 23:20,
24:13, 32:24, 51:11,

52:13, 53:8, 153:9,


153:18, 154:20,
155:1, 167:20,
178:3, 178:8,
178:12, 196:22
DEA [2] - 135:6, 175:7
deadline [2] - 140:4,
151:3
deal [4] - 170:19,
170:22, 182:10,
216:9
dealer [1] - 21:9
dealing [4] - 77:9,
125:6, 136:19,
211:16
dear [2] - 117:5
debate [1] - 17:20
debated [1] - 32:9
Debra [2] - 95:25,
100:22
debt [2] - 45:25, 46:6
decide [6] - 53:13,
53:19, 64:4, 164:10,
167:11, 168:23
decided [6] - 64:20,
68:18, 68:20, 69:23,
90:2, 99:20
decides [3] - 161:19,
161:22, 238:15
deciding [4] - 58:3,
120:2, 175:12, 183:1
decision [22] - 23:24,
61:10, 88:20, 120:2,
149:11, 158:23,
168:15, 168:23,
170:18, 174:25,
176:4, 190:9,
190:18, 191:19,
198:18, 198:25,
199:1, 199:3,
199:25, 200:1,
202:21, 203:14
decision-making [1] 23:24
decisions [3] - 81:24,
119:24, 120:23
declarant [1] - 148:21
declared [2] - 21:18,
59:17
Deed [2] - 35:1, 35:7
Deeds [1] - 35:11
deems [1] - 149:16
deeply [2] - 190:8,
190:14
defend [1] - 205:16
DEFENDANT [3] 2:14, 3:9, 6:3
Defendant [29] 16:14, 17:14, 18:21,
24:5, 24:22, 46:23,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

48:8, 48:17, 70:3,


74:5, 113:3, 114:18,
131:17, 132:21,
134:5, 147:9,
147:16, 175:23,
224:21, 250:18,
251:6, 251:9,
251:15, 251:17,
251:18, 251:24,
252:1, 252:7, 253:5
Defendant's [28] 51:17, 52:7, 52:11,
61:6, 61:15, 61:18,
62:12, 81:15,
110:14, 114:25,
116:19, 117:8,
119:13, 130:14,
152:22, 153:11,
157:6, 159:23,
163:1, 169:10,
191:4, 193:14,
223:8, 224:3, 248:1,
248:3, 251:21,
251:22
Defendants [9] - 6:6,
85:1, 112:18,
113:22, 116:3,
133:7, 219:8,
247:24, 248:1
defense [10] - 71:11,
119:6, 127:17,
143:20, 143:24,
144:3, 149:13,
251:5, 253:4, 253:6
Defense [14] - 58:6,
58:11, 62:13, 75:16,
78:2, 92:18, 115:5,
117:13, 128:1,
144:22, 145:22,
151:9, 155:6, 155:22
defer [1] - 138:12
deference [1] - 142:22
define [3] - 217:16,
218:23, 220:3
defined [9] - 61:1,
63:7, 88:14, 158:12,
159:13, 217:5,
217:7, 217:9, 219:25
defines [1] - 197:16
definitely [1] - 54:4
definition [26] - 76:21,
77:7, 78:1, 79:8,
88:10, 88:15, 91:14,
158:9, 158:11,
159:7, 161:12,
173:6, 178:19,
181:8, 186:13,
193:19, 193:22,
197:10, 197:11,
197:12, 224:14,

224:24, 224:25,
250:16, 253:1, 253:2
definitions [1] 161:12
definitive [1] - 81:25
degree [3] - 68:25,
105:5, 128:24
deliberate [2] - 125:9,
125:14
deliberations [1] 238:16
delivered [1] - 154:19
denied [1] - 9:17
denies [1] - 249:19
denying [1] - 205:9
departed [2] - 26:10,
26:11
Department [3] - 37:8,
38:2, 231:9
department [1] - 110:9
departments [1] 231:8
departure [1] - 27:8
describe [11] - 29:17,
29:24, 79:14, 79:15,
129:13, 135:25,
140:7, 198:13,
210:5, 214:7, 214:9
described [1] - 185:18
describes [3] - 88:1,
184:8, 193:20
describing [2] 171:24, 187:19
description [2] 172:12, 172:14
deShetler [3] - 254:3,
254:18, 254:18
design [1] - 186:4
designation [1] 161:5
designed [2] - 106:3,
154:14
despite [1] - 160:25
detail [2] - 18:2,
200:12
details [1] - 182:3
determination [4] 86:5, 86:12, 191:16,
191:17
determinations [2] 126:22, 203:18
determine [11] 80:20, 154:22,
159:1, 164:3, 199:9,
199:18, 242:11,
245:13, 245:16,
245:17, 245:18
determined [12] 60:7, 63:15, 63:18,
63:24, 80:17, 80:21,

86:14, 158:17,
159:3, 163:16,
170:25, 195:14
determines [1] 161:17
determining [10] 55:9, 58:3, 60:2,
75:21, 91:6, 157:23,
159:14, 168:18,
199:4, 200:16
developers [2] 202:13, 202:24
development [1] 129:18
dictates [1] - 63:25
difference [3] - 20:23,
20:25, 165:13
different [29] - 10:9,
21:5, 21:9, 21:10,
43:24, 56:6, 56:7,
72:25, 74:15, 93:10,
97:6, 140:9, 140:10,
160:22, 161:11,
189:25, 191:14,
202:3, 203:1,
204:14, 206:17,
207:23, 214:16,
217:12, 217:15,
240:5, 243:12,
251:13
difficult [3] - 126:2,
133:1, 221:16
digest [1] - 253:14
digging [1] - 46:4
Dillard [4] - 128:2,
128:3, 128:13, 133:5
DILLARD [3] - 3:15,
5:6, 128:7
Dillard......................
[1] - 6:6
DIRE [2] - 156:20,
240:23
dire [6] - 144:18,
156:18, 240:21,
243:10, 243:12,
243:13
Dire [4] - 3:18, 4:4,
5:9, 5:20
DIRECT [10] - 8:3,
92:4, 104:17, 128:9,
139:5, 157:11,
201:19, 209:14,
233:11, 244:7
Direct [14] - 3:5, 3:13,
3:16, 3:18, 3:22, 4:4,
4:5, 5:3, 5:7, 5:8,
5:9, 5:11, 5:14, 5:20
direct [7] - 3:11, 3:17,
5:17, 5:19, 122:25,
124:1, 184:5

directed [4] - 76:20,


159:12, 160:2,
162:25
direction [1] - 232:4
directly [2] - 140:21,
176:19
director [5] - 128:20,
129:11, 140:14,
140:15, 141:22
Directors [8] - 11:15,
14:12, 15:22, 15:24,
16:8, 19:11, 19:15,
235:7
directors [3] - 16:19,
16:23, 16:25
dirty [3] - 202:12,
239:11
disagreement [1] 172:1
discharged [1] - 77:21
disconnect [1] 160:17
discovered [1] 226:18
discuss [42] - 16:14,
18:2, 40:12, 41:16,
51:7, 53:3, 57:9,
82:5, 87:17, 99:9,
99:12, 108:5, 108:8,
110:23, 123:17,
135:5, 136:22,
159:19, 160:11,
169:1, 169:11,
169:15, 173:18,
174:13, 179:14,
179:23, 180:22,
214:15, 215:1,
215:11, 215:20,
216:3, 221:4,
224:14, 227:10,
236:17, 238:2,
238:5, 238:13,
239:17, 240:7
discussed [21] 16:13, 41:10, 70:10,
81:19, 85:23, 87:20,
100:7, 113:5, 132:2,
162:12, 169:9,
169:22, 175:7,
218:7, 220:18,
221:1, 224:24,
230:8, 240:4, 240:18
discusses [1] - 163:21
discussing [10] 84:23, 135:10,
147:12, 161:13,
179:21, 220:24,
221:2, 222:25,
225:11, 227:11
discussion [24] -

152:2, 152:8,
152:15, 156:8,
156:12, 158:5,
176:3, 177:1,
177:16, 191:3,
212:9, 212:16,
212:18, 214:22,
216:25, 220:19,
220:20, 224:9,
224:18, 224:20,
227:12, 229:1,
229:17, 229:19
discussions [6] 135:1, 218:9,
222:17, 223:2,
228:7, 229:16
dispositive [2] 171:18, 182:25
disprove [1] - 113:2
dispute [8] - 158:22,
162:2, 162:5, 162:6,
167:6, 167:7,
172:22, 172:24
disputed [2] - 160:13,
161:19
dissuade [2] - 117:20,
118:17
distinctly [1] - 222:4
distinguishes [1] 194:14
DISTRICT [2] - 1:3, 1:7
district [62] - 12:14,
14:12, 15:4, 15:14,
15:15, 17:6, 18:24,
19:4, 19:6, 19:9,
19:19, 20:7, 20:12,
20:17, 20:20, 21:1,
21:2, 21:3, 46:7,
49:11, 49:12, 69:25,
104:22, 105:16,
105:20, 105:23,
108:16, 108:25,
109:2, 110:4, 113:6,
114:1, 117:21,
122:14, 125:3,
147:21, 147:22,
150:15, 152:18,
154:4, 154:7, 154:9,
156:11, 157:24,
167:8, 168:7, 218:2,
218:24, 219:1,
219:3, 223:3,
230:17, 230:19,
230:25, 231:21,
231:24, 235:6,
235:22, 235:24,
236:4, 236:14
District [9] - 1:23,
11:14, 69:3, 105:6,
108:14, 151:25,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

217:2, 217:23, 223:1


district's [1] - 208:9
districts [3] - 214:18,
214:19, 220:25
disturbing [1] - 49:2
division [28] - 105:25,
106:2, 106:3, 109:6,
109:7, 132:4, 136:5,
136:8, 136:14,
136:21, 137:5,
137:16, 137:22,
137:23, 138:3,
138:4, 138:9,
139:25, 140:2,
140:3, 140:11,
140:13, 140:14,
140:21, 141:23,
141:24, 142:13,
186:3
divisions [1] - 140:10
doctorate [1] - 139:15
document [20] 26:11, 39:9, 40:4,
72:8, 110:15,
120:12, 121:11,
123:20, 124:9,
147:8, 157:1, 161:3,
161:16, 168:14,
175:17, 176:2,
176:13, 182:1,
223:17, 224:11
documentation [1] 42:14
documents [2] 39:10, 119:10
dog [2] - 101:2, 179:3
DOJ [1] - 231:9
domicile [15] - 60:4,
62:19, 79:9, 158:12,
161:3, 178:20,
178:22, 193:16,
194:7, 196:10,
196:17, 197:7,
197:8, 197:11,
197:17
domiciliary [10] 158:18, 161:2,
166:12, 186:8,
186:9, 186:11,
187:7, 187:14,
189:5, 201:12
don't.. [1] - 11:24
done [20] - 8:10, 9:10,
9:14, 16:14, 67:22,
94:1, 96:11, 102:20,
107:14, 148:7,
191:25, 202:14,
203:10, 204:14,
206:19, 207:7,
214:21, 218:2,

10

236:22
door [2] - 47:15, 50:8
down [20] - 8:12, 21:1,
21:2, 46:5, 48:1,
88:21, 105:13,
114:15, 169:17,
183:24, 184:1,
184:22, 195:3,
196:1, 209:8,
218:22, 237:9,
241:12, 242:19,
244:6
downtown [1] - 96:9
DOYLE [3] - 4:3, 5:8,
233:9
Doyle [14] - 72:8, 73:8,
233:2, 233:3,
233:15, 233:25,
234:6, 234:13,
236:11, 240:25,
241:17, 241:25,
245:12, 245:18
dozen [1] - 140:11
drafting [1] - 197:10
draw [1] - 203:13
driver's [6] - 23:7,
37:2, 37:19, 37:23,
38:3, 38:13
dropped [1] - 101:25
due [2] - 82:13, 191:15
duly [7] - 8:2, 94:14,
104:16, 128:8,
139:4, 209:13,
233:10
duration [7] - 50:25,
55:10, 58:25, 59:2,
88:9, 88:10, 182:25
durational [1] - 238:7
during [9] - 32:8,
54:23, 90:13, 105:8,
111:3, 111:7, 111:9,
212:17, 248:25
duties [3] - 125:3,
140:10, 210:5
duty [1] - 141:6

E
e-mail [38] - 53:5,
110:21, 110:24,
145:9, 145:12,
145:24, 146:3,
146:4, 146:8,
146:10, 146:11,
146:18, 148:9,
150:15, 150:16,
151:12, 151:21,
152:2, 152:5, 152:9,
152:17, 153:10,
153:13, 155:8,

155:11, 155:19,
156:9, 156:18,
156:23, 156:25,
157:14, 157:17,
157:18, 223:14,
223:20, 223:25,
252:17
E-mail [5] - 6:5, 6:7,
6:7, 6:8, 6:8
E-mail........................
.............. [1] - 6:9
e-mailed [1] - 250:5
e-mailing [1] - 110:17
e-mails [9] - 146:24,
146:25, 147:10,
148:11, 150:14,
153:4, 155:15,
156:14, 176:8
early [4] - 14:25,
22:19, 218:6, 219:24
easier [1] - 165:15
easily [2] - 9:25,
180:25
eating [1] - 67:17
economics [2] 105:3, 139:13
editorial [1] - 238:14
editorializing [1] 204:24
educated [2] - 93:14,
237:21
educational [3] 104:25, 128:23,
139:11
effect [4] - 141:16,
183:13, 190:15,
234:2
effective [1] - 178:12
effectively [1] - 178:10
efforts [1] - 152:24
eight [8] - 11:6, 12:1,
14:9, 35:10, 74:15,
76:19, 105:8, 139:24
either [9] - 54:13,
91:12, 98:10,
113:19, 131:15,
134:11, 176:5,
186:24, 194:15
elaborate [1] - 114:11
elect [1] - 17:16
elected [5] - 15:22,
19:15, 105:19,
141:7, 162:5
Election [5] - 6:5,
119:15, 140:18,
141:4, 160:1
election [202] - 11:15,
12:14, 13:7, 14:12,
14:21, 15:24, 16:1,
16:2, 16:4, 16:20,

23:25, 24:1, 24:19,


28:5, 31:8, 31:21,
31:22, 32:9, 35:13,
36:8, 37:1, 38:17,
38:21, 38:24, 38:25,
39:1, 40:12, 40:15,
41:10, 43:19, 43:20,
43:24, 43:25, 45:20,
45:21, 45:22, 50:20,
50:23, 50:25, 51:4,
51:5, 60:19, 60:24,
61:10, 63:6, 65:4,
65:11, 65:19, 66:6,
66:14, 67:20, 67:21,
68:3, 68:7, 68:16,
75:22, 76:22, 78:14,
79:6, 81:15, 85:19,
88:15, 89:12, 93:5,
97:20, 99:4, 99:7,
102:25, 105:13,
106:12, 106:22,
107:2, 108:2, 108:5,
109:11, 110:9,
112:6, 112:11,
112:13, 112:14,
112:21, 113:3,
113:7, 113:11,
113:14, 114:3,
114:16, 115:10,
116:5, 121:25,
122:5, 124:14,
130:4, 132:3, 136:7,
136:17, 136:18,
137:3, 137:4, 137:7,
137:14, 137:15,
138:4, 138:13,
140:5, 140:18,
140:23, 140:24,
141:6, 141:7,
141:10, 141:12,
141:15, 141:17,
141:19, 141:21,
142:7, 142:9,
142:11, 142:15,
142:24, 145:6,
147:22, 147:25,
150:15, 150:18,
151:1, 151:6,
151:24, 153:1,
153:7, 154:21,
155:1, 156:1,
157:19, 158:12,
159:7, 159:25,
160:14, 162:4,
167:10, 168:3,
168:16, 168:17,
170:19, 175:1,
178:3, 178:21,
179:10, 183:10,
183:12, 185:7,
185:10, 186:3,

186:6, 188:1, 190:7,


190:9, 196:22,
199:5, 200:8,
209:22, 210:6,
210:24, 211:6,
211:8, 217:22,
217:23, 218:4,
218:22, 219:14,
219:23, 219:24,
220:2, 221:8,
221:17, 222:2,
224:1, 227:22,
228:8, 230:14,
230:22, 231:4,
231:10, 232:3,
232:9, 237:23,
237:24, 238:24,
239:20, 243:4,
244:14, 244:25,
245:4, 245:7,
245:13, 245:14,
245:17
elections [54] - 14:5,
49:13, 53:2, 60:20,
78:18, 93:9, 97:5,
118:16, 136:5,
136:13, 136:21,
137:5, 137:22,
137:23, 138:3,
138:8, 138:9,
139:25, 140:1,
140:3, 140:11,
140:12, 140:14,
140:15, 140:21,
141:13, 141:22,
141:24, 142:13,
150:17, 150:23,
152:25, 168:21,
208:10, 209:24,
209:25, 210:8,
210:10, 210:11,
210:12, 210:16,
210:22, 210:23,
211:1, 211:2, 211:4,
211:16, 214:20,
214:21, 216:2,
217:20, 218:1, 221:7
electronic [2] - 210:9,
219:10
element [10] - 48:7,
48:17, 49:14, 50:1,
77:9, 166:12,
176:19, 182:25,
183:17, 189:23
elements [7] - 56:7,
60:2, 60:3, 113:2,
163:25, 184:25,
199:4
eleven [1] - 44:21
elicit [2] - 191:20,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

191:23
elicited [2] - 157:9,
191:6
eligibility [2] - 136:13,
213:25
eligible [15] - 30:13,
30:21, 48:8, 48:18,
48:19, 60:20, 77:8,
77:12, 77:13, 89:4,
113:4, 116:4,
121:25, 183:12
Elizabeth [2] - 138:6,
140:13
Elmo [5] - 24:16, 54:8,
62:7, 117:14, 119:1
elsewhere [1] - 19:8
embarrass [1] - 98:12
embarrassing [1] 98:22
emphasize [5] - 77:19,
81:14, 161:14,
178:17, 185:10
emphasizes [1] - 79:3
employed [2] - 103:2,
128:13
employee [1] - 129:19
Employees [1] 139:23
employment [3] 102:20, 103:4,
137:19
end [9] - 8:13, 59:4,
80:13, 82:14, 87:16,
87:17, 177:11,
206:8, 206:10
End [4] - 10:16, 50:15,
98:23, 134:7
ended [2] - 96:14,
194:8
ends [2] - 90:9, 207:21
enforce [1] - 229:21
enforcement [3] 113:23, 215:7,
229:20
engage [1] - 96:21
engaged [1] - 97:1
engaging [1] - 99:10
ensure [1] - 142:9
entail [1] - 210:18
entailed [1] - 210:19
enter [1] - 150:25
enthusiasts [3] - 89:2,
126:25, 200:17
entire [7] - 44:23,
44:24, 44:25, 57:2,
90:6, 137:20, 220:1
entirely [1] - 153:3
entities [7] - 45:25,
210:10, 210:22,
217:6, 217:14,

11

219:2, 219:13
entitled [2] - 1:21,
122:5
entity [4] - 150:17,
199:17, 217:5,
217:17
entry [2] - 154:15,
178:10
enunciated [2] 63:19, 80:17
envelope [2] - 154:19,
154:25
equal [3] - 90:15,
173:20, 173:25
Equal [1] - 173:18
equally [2] - 60:3,
89:25
equipment [1] - 210:9
era [1] - 171:5
Eric [5] - 65:22, 65:23,
66:15, 240:8, 240:12
err [1] - 181:6
error [1] - 118:19
escapee [2] - 215:16,
215:17
Escobar [2] - 146:14,
147:9
essence [1] - 250:14
essentially [1] 134:11
established [2] 161:15, 251:6
estoppel [1] - 143:8
evening [5] - 51:10,
155:11, 247:10,
247:19, 249:23
event [4] - 191:4,
191:11, 204:16,
204:18
events [1] - 247:16
eventually [3] - 16:25,
218:7, 218:8
everywhere [1] 173:16
evidence [40] - 10:13,
25:3, 25:20, 37:6,
39:5, 49:4, 56:13,
56:18, 56:20, 61:16,
67:21, 70:4, 112:20,
122:23, 130:24,
131:1, 131:14,
131:15, 131:16,
132:24, 148:7,
150:6, 152:24,
159:2, 161:2, 161:3,
161:16, 161:18,
166:14, 166:16,
171:1, 183:21,
200:6, 200:7,
200:13, 223:17,

225:23, 250:17,
251:6, 254:6
Evidence [1] - 150:2
evidentiary [1] 165:16
exactly [2] - 22:14,
176:9
EXAMINATION [28] 8:3, 42:20, 70:7,
89:16, 92:4, 94:15,
100:20, 104:17,
124:23, 125:18,
126:17, 128:9,
139:5, 156:20,
157:11, 180:20,
188:19, 198:7,
201:19, 208:14,
209:14, 227:18,
230:3, 232:15,
233:11, 240:23,
244:7, 245:10
examination [2] 122:23, 192:21
examine [2] - 71:9,
177:8
examining [1] - 52:8
example [13] - 19:18,
165:11, 170:15,
170:16, 172:9,
172:19, 183:3,
187:4, 187:7,
230:20, 242:14,
250:17
examples [5] - 165:7,
170:12, 172:1,
172:7, 214:16
except [8] - 52:23,
63:19, 80:18, 80:21,
82:25, 161:17,
219:20, 236:22
exception [1] - 64:1
exceptional [1] 113:24
exchange [2] - 52:21,
52:22
excluded [2] - 134:12,
247:25
exclusion [1] - 134:10
exclusively [1] 139:21
excused [15] - 84:9,
92:12, 92:14, 127:8,
127:10, 127:13,
138:20, 138:22,
170:3, 232:22,
232:24, 247:5,
247:7, 247:20,
247:21
executive [2] - 140:15,
141:22

exemption [15] 34:17, 34:21, 35:4,


72:7, 72:18, 72:24,
73:6, 73:12, 74:8,
74:16, 91:11, 91:24,
92:7, 161:1, 161:8
exemptions [2] 35:11, 160:25
exercise [1] - 92:20
exercising [1] 195:15
exhaustively [1] 154:21
Exhibit [61] - 25:3,
25:20, 28:11, 32:16,
35:6, 35:18, 37:7,
39:5, 51:17, 52:7,
52:11, 57:16, 58:7,
58:11, 61:6, 61:15,
61:18, 62:12, 62:13,
72:6, 75:16, 78:2,
85:2, 110:14,
111:13, 113:22,
114:25, 115:5,
116:3, 116:19,
117:8, 117:13,
119:13, 120:9,
130:14, 133:7,
133:15, 134:19,
145:22, 146:2,
147:4, 148:9, 151:9,
152:22, 153:11,
155:7, 155:23,
159:23, 163:2,
169:10, 184:6,
193:14, 198:9,
212:2, 219:8, 223:8,
224:4, 234:12,
248:1, 248:4
exhibit [8] - 27:18,
40:7, 40:19, 56:15,
56:18, 151:10,
153:3, 156:22
EXHIBITS [1] - 6:1
exhibits [6] - 71:11,
71:15, 119:8,
175:16, 247:25,
254:10
existed [3] - 69:25,
137:1, 236:16
exists [3] - 42:14,
187:21, 219:12
expect [1] - 165:11
expensive [1] - 41:21
experience [2] 125:6, 237:20
expert [3] - 246:13,
246:15, 246:21
expertise [2] - 243:21,
243:22

Expiration [1] 254:19


explain [5] - 93:18,
105:15, 143:13,
154:11, 164:9
explained [1] - 151:5
explaining [1] 170:12
explicitly [1] - 186:3
explore [2] - 56:19,
190:2
express [2] - 15:14,
41:11
expressed [4] - 82:12,
189:7, 206:24,
207:24
expressing [2] 148:14, 201:24
extended [1] - 103:4
extent [5] - 41:13,
41:14, 154:4,
161:17, 202:25
extra [1] - 54:6
extraneous [1] - 61:17
extremely [1] - 203:3
Exxon [2] - 96:15,
96:16
eye [3] - 7:8, 248:24,
249:8
eyes [1] - 248:25

F
face [9] - 67:11, 88:3,
111:8, 117:18,
188:24, 203:7,
215:11, 246:8
face-to-face [1] 111:8
fact [51] - 16:22,
19:11, 35:6, 75:18,
79:12, 82:14, 86:10,
86:19, 86:20, 96:14,
98:2, 101:24,
113:16, 114:18,
118:5, 136:23,
137:25, 144:13,
154:22, 158:22,
163:25, 164:1,
164:14, 168:18,
171:2, 171:16,
172:10, 174:8,
179:12, 182:18,
183:1, 183:17,
183:19, 184:2,
185:13, 185:15,
185:20, 186:4,
186:5, 187:12,
187:13, 188:21,
199:3, 199:13,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

221:10, 227:7,
227:8, 232:7, 235:6,
253:4
fact-finding [3] 185:20, 186:4, 186:5
factors [1] - 161:1
facts [15] - 70:10,
76:13, 81:20, 86:23,
136:23, 185:18,
186:2, 191:17,
198:21, 198:22,
198:24, 199:7,
238:15, 241:20,
242:1
factual [6] - 55:5,
76:1, 76:3, 88:2,
88:5, 117:17
factually [1] - 225:14
failed [3] - 154:4,
160:15, 190:19
fair [12] - 20:2, 22:23,
33:20, 40:23, 41:22,
98:11, 116:16,
134:2, 150:4,
154:15, 203:13,
241:13
fairly [2] - 52:19,
137:24
fairness [4] - 47:18,
113:12, 113:16,
194:1
false [14] - 49:8,
49:10, 79:1, 148:25,
149:22, 168:9,
176:17, 176:18,
176:22, 185:3,
196:12, 201:10,
220:22, 229:18
falsely [1] - 182:1
falsification [1] 168:13
familiar [9] - 28:13,
39:6, 123:22,
123:25, 124:3,
125:9, 136:2,
163:11, 237:24
families [1] - 173:3
family [1] - 10:20
far [15] - 93:3, 103:8,
144:10, 146:18,
147:15, 164:10,
178:6, 188:15,
189:10, 193:24,
200:21, 222:1,
238:19, 246:15,
253:12
father [8] - 34:25,
36:2, 36:7, 36:10,
36:13, 44:12, 64:13,
74:12

12

father's [2] - 35:6,


44:13
fault [1] - 188:10
favor [4] - 88:2, 88:4,
171:15, 181:19
favorably [1] - 205:10
Fax [1] - 2:7
fax [1] - 2:12
February [9] - 109:12,
109:13, 129:8,
134:25, 135:12,
135:19, 145:8,
146:20, 146:22
federal [4] - 81:21,
168:3, 210:1, 210:17
feelings [2] - 173:14,
204:25
fell [1] - 157:24
felon [1] - 195:11
felony [9] - 58:18,
69:1, 77:19, 77:23,
94:3, 105:10,
124:13, 195:11,
239:5
felt [4] - 93:6, 93:7,
99:13, 101:9
female [1] - 248:24
few [4] - 132:2, 147:7,
193:15, 231:11
field [2] - 171:13,
172:17
fighting [2] - 204:9,
205:21
figure [1] - 172:16
file [5] - 16:19, 167:14,
168:8, 168:11, 250:6
filed [3] - 211:18,
222:12, 250:4
files [3] - 16:3, 183:10,
218:4
filing [1] - 145:16
filings [2] - 151:4,
231:10
fill [4] - 168:5, 176:10,
178:15, 196:25
filled [3] - 28:15,
28:23, 30:17
filling [1] - 177:19
fills [1] - 197:5
final [4] - 86:5, 86:11,
195:14, 230:22
finalized [1] - 231:2
finally [1] - 195:10
financial [2] - 41:16,
41:19
finder [2] - 171:2,
182:25
findings [2] - 185:14,
199:3
fine [2] - 104:1, 200:12

fine-grain [1] - 200:12


finished [1] - 109:17
fired [3] - 204:8,
204:9, 205:9
firing [1] - 205:19
firm [2] - 108:13,
128:15
First [2] - 69:3, 222:25
first [52] - 8:2, 9:24,
12:2, 14:7, 15:3,
20:9, 21:13, 22:3,
24:10, 24:19, 28:7,
30:8, 42:25, 56:13,
62:18, 62:21, 69:13,
77:6, 79:23, 80:23,
82:5, 85:15, 85:18,
94:5, 94:14, 95:18,
104:16, 104:21,
105:14, 105:16,
106:18, 128:8,
139:4, 144:16,
146:7, 148:11,
152:20, 179:22,
209:13, 211:11,
211:18, 212:23,
215:24, 219:14,
233:10, 234:13,
234:22, 243:20,
243:23, 253:7
fit [1] - 102:18
five [5] - 101:17,
114:4, 177:23,
202:19, 234:4
fix [1] - 163:8
fixed [5] - 60:7, 62:19,
163:16, 193:20,
194:7
flash [1] - 181:1
flashing [1] - 163:6
flexibility [1] - 126:19
flip [5] - 25:21, 33:19,
76:25, 85:1, 85:6
flirting [2] - 10:3,
10:15
flow [1] - 243:10
focus [2] - 108:2,
129:5
focused [2] - 41:7,
187:1
focusing [2] - 33:19,
49:15
folks [7] - 38:22,
72:10, 113:25,
117:19, 118:18,
174:7, 228:3
follow [5] - 89:14,
152:3, 153:13,
206:13, 206:23
follow-up [4] - 89:14,
152:3, 153:13,

206:13
followed [2] - 67:25,
68:4
following [3] - 1:20,
91:23, 151:19
follows [7] - 8:2,
94:14, 104:16,
128:8, 139:4,
209:13, 233:10
foot [2] - 164:15,
165:8
FOR [5] - 2:2, 2:14,
3:3, 3:9, 6:3
forced [1] - 75:11
forcefully [2] - 189:2,
189:3
forecast [1] - 247:15
foregoing [1] - 254:5
forever [1] - 177:20
forget [1] - 219:15
forgot [1] - 242:19
forgotten [1] - 208:24
form [33] - 15:20,
23:20, 24:7, 28:16,
29:1, 29:11, 30:17,
58:2, 79:13, 122:24,
130:4, 133:16,
134:10, 176:10,
177:19, 184:6,
184:7, 184:23,
185:2, 185:4,
187:18, 190:8,
195:19, 195:25,
196:7, 196:20,
196:21, 213:17,
219:12, 219:14,
219:21, 229:13,
229:18
formal [4] - 141:16,
143:22, 159:25,
167:14
formation [1] - 214:20
formed [2] - 23:12,
220:25
forms [4] - 25:4,
108:24, 214:13,
219:15
forth [2] - 146:4,
146:24
forum [2] - 14:16,
14:18
forward [9] - 7:9, 7:21,
53:6, 94:4, 123:4,
124:22, 206:5,
233:3, 241:16
forwarded [6] 109:18, 147:10,
151:23, 156:24,
173:11, 252:17
foundation [3] -

114:11, 144:23,
243:15
four [7] - 32:17, 74:24,
101:4, 105:12,
153:18, 200:17,
234:1
four-year [2] - 74:24,
200:17
fourth [1] - 85:21
Fourth [1] - 172:14
fraud [4] - 106:6,
106:12, 117:24
fraudulently [2] 109:17, 109:21
Frazier [1] - 109:6
free [1] - 141:5
frequently [1] - 159:9
Friday [2] - 28:4, 28:5
friendly [1] - 214:10
friends [2] - 12:12,
183:22
front [3] - 37:7, 50:13,
98:22
frozen [1] - 169:19
frustrated [1] - 190:8
frustration [1] 148:14
full [1] - 177:18
fully [1] - 77:21
funds [1] - 15:20
FURTHER [3] - 92:4,
201:19, 208:14
future [1] - 55:10
fuzz [1] - 248:14

G
gained [2] - 158:20,
164:13
Galveston [1] - 172:22
gas [2] - 96:13, 173:12
gatekeeper [1] - 47:18
gather [1] - 91:13
Gaultney [7] - 110:7,
110:17, 110:20,
110:24, 209:7,
227:20, 232:17
GAULTNEY [3] - 3:22,
5:11, 209:12
Gaultney.... [1] - 6:5
GENERAL [3] - 2:2,
2:5, 2:10
general [27] - 8:23,
43:10, 45:22, 57:12,
57:18, 70:10, 81:6,
97:5, 107:10,
120:17, 134:1,
136:6, 136:17,
136:20, 138:8,
140:19, 141:8,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

141:11, 141:24,
152:15, 156:6,
156:8, 162:21,
192:21, 197:13,
212:13, 231:23
General [3] - 2:4, 2:9,
58:13
general's [12] - 51:9,
59:6, 78:7, 106:16,
120:9, 142:20,
193:17, 240:18,
241:1, 241:4, 241:8,
241:18
General................. [1]
- 6:4
generally [7] - 129:15,
129:17, 133:9,
141:22, 145:6,
152:17, 243:15
gentleman [1] - 7:5
gentlemen [8] - 8:5,
84:7, 92:24, 127:11,
169:25, 177:13,
247:14, 247:17
geographic [3] 172:12, 172:15,
173:6
German [1] - 164:18
girl [1] - 94:24
gist [2] - 145:12, 148:9
given [14] - 51:22,
64:21, 84:19, 93:8,
116:5, 142:23,
143:9, 154:18,
186:5, 188:5, 201:5,
206:19, 218:25,
252:21
GLICKLER [80] - 7:14,
7:19, 7:24, 8:4, 10:4,
10:6, 10:17, 13:7,
24:15, 24:18, 42:18,
46:15, 46:21, 47:4,
48:4, 48:9, 48:14,
49:10, 49:20, 49:25,
50:4, 50:9, 52:9,
53:15, 53:21, 53:24,
56:12, 58:9, 61:17,
61:20, 62:10, 70:1,
70:8, 71:10, 71:13,
71:17, 76:17, 76:18,
84:4, 84:15, 84:17,
89:13, 92:5, 92:9,
92:13, 98:17, 119:2,
119:6, 130:22,
131:6, 131:9,
131:11, 131:13,
132:9, 132:17,
132:23, 149:19,
163:7, 177:6, 195:2,
202:19, 203:8,

13

204:6, 204:11,
205:11, 205:15,
248:7, 249:6,
249:11, 249:25,
250:7, 250:9,
251:12, 252:13,
252:15, 252:19,
252:22, 252:25,
253:9, 253:17
Glickler [3] - 2:4,
248:25, 249:19
Glickler.............. [2] 3:7, 5:5
Glickler.....................
. [2] - 3:6, 5:4
Glickler.....................
... [2] - 3:5, 5:3
God [2] - 98:8, 205:2
Goeddertz [4] - 17:1,
26:13, 32:18, 72:20
governance [1] 60:20
governing [1] - 150:24
government [8] 106:4, 123:20,
124:8, 143:5,
150:22, 168:13,
240:5, 240:16
governor [1] - 76:20
graduated [9] - 54:21,
75:9, 96:6, 105:2,
105:5, 105:7,
139:12, 139:14,
139:20
grain [1] - 200:12
Grand [5] - 10:8, 42:5,
42:8, 43:11, 71:20
Grant [10] - 6:5, 69:4,
104:10, 104:21,
223:1, 223:14,
225:4, 226:18,
226:21, 227:1
grant [4] - 124:25,
223:20, 224:15,
224:25
GRANT [3] - 3:12,
5:14, 104:15
Grant........ [1] - 6:6
great [3] - 133:18,
186:7, 241:11
greatly [1] - 222:14
Greg [2] - 57:14, 58:13
Gregory [1] - 119:18
grounds [2] - 147:13,
171:12
group [6] - 12:15,
13:21, 25:24, 52:21,
100:9, 175:18
groups [1] - 126:24
GSC-1 [2] - 119:15,

160:1
guess [41] - 42:25,
43:23, 52:19, 53:12,
56:7, 56:10, 59:5,
59:13, 64:8, 96:20,
105:21, 107:6,
107:8, 107:18,
115:9, 117:17,
120:1, 136:23,
137:1, 137:5,
139:16, 141:10,
143:5, 144:4, 146:3,
148:11, 151:12,
156:7, 158:2, 168:6,
168:12, 174:20,
184:24, 189:13,
196:21, 210:25,
211:20, 212:17,
212:18, 218:14,
230:14
guessing [2] - 146:20,
176:6
guest [2] - 32:14,
33:22
guests [4] - 27:13,
27:21, 32:18, 32:22
guidance [1] - 119:25
guilty [2] - 9:4, 9:6
guy [1] - 46:3
guys [1] - 38:9

H
habit [2] - 8:12, 169:5
habitation [6] - 62:20,
80:10, 178:23,
186:14, 193:21,
194:7
habitual [1] - 181:2
half [11] - 11:6, 21:1,
21:2, 30:21, 31:3,
58:20, 105:8,
105:12, 140:11,
213:10, 244:22
hammer [1] - 172:2
HAND [1] - 254:15
hand [8] - 41:4, 41:7,
94:9, 113:23, 128:5,
139:1, 149:23, 243:7
handle [3] - 105:22,
106:8, 129:15
handled [1] - 136:5
handling [2] - 105:25,
208:9
Hanshaw [1] - 140:13
Hanshaw-Winn [1] 140:13
happy [3] - 61:21,
198:18, 198:25
hard [3] - 7:8, 173:5,

188:7
Harris [3] - 105:6,
242:17, 242:19
hashed [1] - 173:4
haul [1] - 127:1
head [3] - 98:8,
137:22, 159:1
hear [7] - 8:14, 13:4,
50:12, 63:16, 93:23,
134:13, 171:10
heard [15] - 1:21, 15:3,
68:15, 76:8, 87:3,
93:3, 93:6, 114:24,
122:22, 125:10,
125:12, 170:17,
204:21, 221:7,
236:15
hearing [5] - 18:23,
42:24, 103:15,
125:7, 182:14
hearsay [37] - 46:16,
46:24, 47:4, 50:1,
70:2, 99:16, 131:14,
133:16, 134:22,
135:8, 145:1, 147:8,
147:13, 147:15,
147:16, 148:8,
148:17, 148:20,
149:4, 149:15,
149:24, 152:12,
152:13, 153:3,
153:22, 157:7,
215:21, 218:11,
223:17, 224:6,
224:11, 225:15,
236:6, 239:14,
248:7, 248:8
heart [1] - 164:4
hearth [1] - 159:4
HEATH [4] - 1:7, 3:10,
5:17, 94:13
Heath [139] - 6:7, 6:8,
6:8, 7:3, 11:21,
11:23, 11:25, 12:4,
12:5, 12:11, 14:7,
14:13, 15:8, 16:22,
26:12, 32:18, 40:21,
41:4, 41:11, 44:7,
45:19, 47:7, 49:21,
50:5, 50:9, 68:7,
70:17, 74:5, 82:18,
82:22, 83:24, 92:6,
93:19, 94:6, 94:18,
100:22, 110:19,
110:22, 111:3,
111:25, 112:12,
112:21, 114:3,
115:9, 116:21,
121:1, 122:8, 123:6,
123:17, 124:25,

125:6, 127:3, 133:2,


135:19, 138:16,
144:12, 144:14,
144:21, 145:3,
145:24, 146:5,
148:11, 150:6,
150:14, 151:13,
152:3, 152:4,
152:16, 152:24,
153:4, 153:14,
155:8, 156:8,
156:24, 157:13,
160:3, 162:12,
162:21, 162:25,
163:18, 164:9,
165:7, 169:2,
170:22, 174:14,
177:16, 178:25,
179:10, 181:10,
182:2, 182:6, 182:7,
184:7, 185:6, 186:1,
187:25, 189:14,
190:1, 190:5,
191:25, 198:3,
200:19, 200:22,
202:20, 206:18,
206:21, 206:25,
207:2, 207:9, 208:8,
211:12, 211:14,
212:19, 214:8,
216:14, 217:1,
218:5, 220:22,
223:2, 224:22,
224:24, 225:5,
226:10, 227:10,
227:13, 227:20,
233:25, 236:1,
236:13, 238:3,
239:2, 239:7,
239:10, 239:18,
239:23, 243:22,
248:22
Heath's [8] - 47:7,
125:16, 149:21,
157:2, 201:25,
212:5, 220:14,
236:10
Heath..... [1] - 6:7
held [3] - 1:23, 75:7,
173:11
help [6] - 58:2, 98:22,
143:11, 144:25,
218:25, 252:13
helped [1] - 150:3
helpful [1] - 54:15
hereby [1] - 254:4
hide [1] - 66:9
high [1] - 114:4
highlighted [1] - 81:22
himself [2] - 153:4,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

176:1
himself) [1] - 251:22
hold [10] - 45:14,
49:19, 52:13, 54:25,
67:16, 160:20,
162:5, 194:1,
241:10, 243:9
holding [8] - 39:10,
39:15, 39:21, 40:3,
40:9, 41:4, 163:23
Holiday [1] - 183:4
home [60] - 34:15,
34:19, 34:23, 35:9,
44:23, 45:4, 54:17,
55:17, 62:19, 62:23,
63:6, 63:10, 73:24,
74:3, 79:17, 79:19,
79:21, 79:24, 80:3,
81:5, 81:11, 83:22,
93:13, 96:18,
101:14, 101:16,
102:4, 102:5, 103:9,
156:15, 159:4,
159:5, 160:24,
164:2, 165:21,
172:2, 173:5, 173:8,
173:15, 177:20,
178:22, 178:24,
179:1, 184:16,
187:6, 187:13,
187:14, 187:18,
187:23, 193:20,
194:7, 195:25,
200:10, 200:11,
201:13, 247:11,
252:20
home-schooled [3] 44:23, 45:4, 93:13
homeless [4] 126:25, 172:9,
172:11, 172:13
homeowners [1] 72:3
homes [3] - 17:19,
35:10, 109:1
homestead [23] 34:17, 34:21, 35:4,
35:11, 72:7, 72:18,
72:24, 73:6, 73:12,
73:22, 74:8, 74:16,
91:7, 91:8, 91:11,
91:16, 91:20, 91:24,
92:7, 160:25, 161:1,
161:5, 161:8
honest [1] - 124:15
honestly [1] - 47:14
Honor [85] - 7:15,
7:24, 8:18, 24:15,
42:18, 42:19, 46:15,
47:2, 51:14, 52:6,

14

52:9, 53:15, 56:12,


61:4, 61:14, 61:17,
62:1, 70:6, 84:4,
89:13, 92:3, 92:9,
92:13, 92:19, 94:11,
98:17, 99:16, 99:18,
103:21, 104:13,
110:12, 112:18,
115:6, 116:1,
124:21, 127:9,
130:11, 130:18,
130:22, 132:13,
134:21, 135:7,
144:17, 145:19,
147:3, 148:16,
148:19, 149:18,
149:19, 152:11,
152:22, 153:2,
153:22, 153:24,
156:17, 158:14,
159:21, 161:23,
170:9, 175:11,
180:19, 188:18,
189:21, 191:6,
201:17, 204:11,
205:11, 209:11,
211:25, 216:24,
219:5, 223:6,
223:16, 230:1,
232:23, 233:7,
235:8, 235:14,
236:5, 237:9, 238:9,
239:13, 240:20,
247:6, 251:13
Honorable [1] - 1:22
hope [3] - 117:19,
118:18, 189:3
hopeful [1] - 121:20
horrified [1] - 201:3
hostile [1] - 169:21
hotel [50] - 18:4,
18:17, 22:24, 28:7,
36:17, 38:10, 41:12,
41:17, 41:20, 54:7,
58:14, 66:2, 67:15,
68:4, 68:8, 68:16,
69:7, 69:14, 70:21,
81:16, 89:4, 89:5,
89:10, 93:15, 93:25,
100:3, 101:4,
108:15, 115:19,
118:20, 179:11,
179:15, 179:16,
179:21, 180:4,
183:6, 184:11,
185:7, 185:9,
185:12, 188:1,
190:14, 206:17,
225:19, 244:20,
244:25, 245:4, 245:7

hotels [2] - 158:6,


179:13
hotline [3] - 137:5,
140:24, 197:24
hour [5] - 132:5,
162:19, 202:11,
244:22
hours [3] - 68:19,
68:23, 71:2
house [16] - 17:21,
23:6, 35:22, 36:19,
36:20, 36:22, 54:20,
80:11, 102:15,
102:17, 103:13,
164:21, 172:17,
179:5, 182:19,
183:24
Houston [3] - 20:1,
46:5, 96:9
hundred [3] - 167:4,
217:6, 217:13
Huntsville [1] - 96:13
husband [4] - 97:7,
102:20, 103:14,
171:4
hypothetical [1] 185:11

I
I's [1] - 101:1
idea [13] - 46:1, 60:17,
67:15, 67:18, 67:20,
68:25, 101:3,
106:19, 141:20,
154:16, 179:21,
182:9, 247:15
identified [4] - 71:5,
131:4, 165:6, 195:24
identifies [1] - 173:8
identify [2] - 130:16,
154:5
identity [1] - 144:21
ignorance [3] 125:10, 125:14,
250:11
ignorant [1] - 253:5
ill [1] - 200:11
illegal [4] - 78:18,
106:7, 121:22,
239:11
illegally [1] - 117:22
imagine [1] - 160:4
immediately [2] 128:19, 165:23
immoderate [1] 190:17
implementation [1] 210:9
implements [1] -

105:21
implications [1] 99:10
important [9] 119:10, 159:2,
176:3, 187:2, 187:9,
197:6, 238:19,
242:1, 253:3
imposed [1] - 20:6
impression [18] - 9:9,
49:11, 125:1, 177:7,
181:12, 182:12,
188:5, 188:8, 188:9,
188:11, 192:22,
192:24, 193:3,
193:5, 207:6, 207:8,
221:18, 221:20
improper [3] - 53:25,
56:16, 131:14
improperly [1] 117:21
improved [1] - 222:14
IN [1] - 1:3
in-person [1] - 112:5
inadmissible [2] 56:21, 150:7
inadvertently [2] 98:10, 250:2
inappropriately [1] 117:19
incapacitated [2] 195:16
incarceration [1] 195:12
incidence [1] - 85:15
incidentals [1] - 34:5
include [8] - 10:21,
29:18, 106:6,
126:24, 186:20,
198:13, 199:20,
199:22
included [5] - 24:4,
26:12, 156:14,
198:25, 250:17
including [4] - 34:8,
68:22, 82:11, 195:12
incompetent [3] 58:17, 77:16, 132:24
increased [1] - 210:8
independent [6] 57:7, 97:7, 97:25,
98:1, 168:17, 203:18
INDEX [4] - 3:1, 4:1,
5:1, 6:1
indicate [2] - 12:8,
239:10
indicated [3] - 11:18,
89:22, 220:16
indicates [4] - 26:11,
37:13, 191:7, 191:9

indicating [2] - 84:19,


240:6
indication [1] - 27:11
indicted [5] - 43:1,
43:6, 71:18, 72:1,
202:20
indictment [2] - 43:4,
43:14
individual [5] - 59:24,
143:25, 200:2,
213:10, 238:20
individuals [7] 26:12, 35:10,
108:15, 109:1,
109:16, 116:8,
200:15
inference [3] - 9:3,
9:21, 203:13
information [36] 18:20, 48:11, 51:1,
52:21, 55:3, 61:18,
93:20, 93:21,
108:19, 108:20,
108:22, 109:2,
109:14, 117:18,
133:16, 137:13,
146:23, 147:24,
148:8, 149:9,
153:21, 154:3,
156:24, 158:15,
180:24, 191:19,
196:15, 203:2,
211:17, 211:18,
217:4, 220:23,
222:13, 222:14,
229:18, 230:19
informational [2] 52:22, 118:5
informed [4] - 8:23,
110:1, 175:12,
248:22
informing [1] - 167:25
inherited [1] - 161:9
initial [3] - 45:18,
108:23, 218:8
injected [1] - 252:3
inkling [1] - 68:25
inmates [1] - 81:18
Inn [58] - 18:1, 18:3,
18:9, 18:11, 20:9,
21:2, 21:4, 21:14,
21:23, 22:6, 22:7,
22:12, 23:2, 24:11,
24:20, 25:21, 30:2,
31:4, 32:3, 32:10,
32:12, 32:17, 35:14,
38:22, 42:16, 65:1,
66:18, 69:11, 69:17,
69:18, 72:11, 72:13,
72:18, 72:22, 72:25,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

73:4, 73:13, 73:20,


74:24, 83:15, 93:5,
103:9, 183:4,
188:23, 189:15,
190:7, 190:24,
192:1, 192:14,
225:19, 226:12,
226:14, 226:19,
227:22, 229:4,
239:2, 244:11,
244:14
innuendo [1] - 133:10
inquiries [1] - 141:5
inside [6] - 154:6,
154:9, 154:19,
158:25, 173:3,
220:17
insomuch [1] - 79:5
inspiration [1] - 13:23
instance [5] - 142:18,
160:19, 166:18,
181:20, 183:21
instances [1] - 231:20
instead [1] - 142:17
Institute [1] - 105:3
institution [2] - 167:6,
172:3
instructing [1] - 194:5
instruction [3] 98:20, 237:11,
253:11
instructions [3] 247:18, 249:21,
249:24
integrity [5] - 105:10,
105:25, 106:2,
106:3, 109:6
intelligent [1] - 93:13
intend [7] - 23:2,
23:17, 104:9, 114:4,
166:9, 187:23,
221:19
intended [4] - 23:20,
165:20, 188:10,
241:9
intending [1] - 133:3
intends [3] - 62:20,
178:23, 194:10
intent [35] - 23:13,
23:16, 24:8, 48:25,
86:24, 90:24, 91:1,
121:18, 153:25,
158:18, 159:1,
159:2, 161:2,
165:14, 166:12,
176:12, 176:23,
180:6, 182:8,
182:12, 186:9,
186:11, 187:7,
187:14, 189:23,

15

191:4, 201:4, 201:5,


201:7, 201:10,
201:11, 201:12,
202:22, 204:17,
207:15
intention [20] - 54:20,
59:23, 60:1, 60:5,
65:8, 81:11, 86:4,
86:10, 86:11, 86:17,
86:19, 86:20, 86:22,
90:22, 163:14,
164:2, 183:14,
200:2, 207:5, 207:8
intentionally [1] 249:6
Internet [3] - 123:14,
123:16, 130:22
interpret [4] - 120:4,
141:6, 142:14, 207:2
interpretation [6] 63:24, 70:22, 77:1,
86:3, 119:22, 140:17
interpreted [2] - 10:9,
142:11
interpreter [1] - 78:14
interpreting [5] - 79:6,
106:21, 107:1,
137:3, 141:10
interrogated [1] 123:3
interrupt [2] - 184:4,
243:10
intersecting [1] 217:14
intimately [1] - 150:3
introduce [3] - 8:5,
133:3, 133:4
introduced [1] 114:21
investigate [1] - 106:4
investigating [1] 113:24
investigation [5] 106:13, 108:21,
109:18, 110:25,
236:14
investigator [2] 109:7, 109:8
invited [1] - 43:11
invoke [1] - 134:15
invoked [4] - 103:24,
104:5, 134:8
involuntarily [1] - 20:6
involuntary [1] 183:20
involve [2] - 106:4,
167:24
involved [17] - 14:8,
45:18, 49:16, 59:23,
85:4, 100:14,

110:25, 136:4,
140:17, 153:7,
200:2, 217:7,
222:17, 222:18,
222:20, 235:17,
235:18
involvement [1] - 43:7
involves [1] - 167:25
involving [4] - 9:5,
35:13, 74:20, 85:16
irrelevant [4] - 147:11,
187:11, 197:4,
203:22
issue [32] - 48:16,
52:25, 68:20, 86:17,
91:9, 91:10, 91:12,
120:20, 121:13,
135:5, 135:10,
135:15, 136:4,
136:19, 137:10,
137:13, 141:20,
142:1, 149:22,
149:23, 160:14,
167:11, 189:11,
202:22, 204:17,
213:24, 230:14,
237:15, 237:17,
237:25
issued [9] - 37:14,
38:5, 109:16,
109:20, 125:24,
141:15, 141:17,
160:1, 174:25
issues [38] - 14:2,
24:1, 24:3, 24:20,
35:13, 48:15, 48:16,
53:2, 53:3, 65:11,
82:1, 86:18, 113:2,
130:4, 130:7,
133:11, 136:16,
136:22, 136:23,
137:25, 142:7,
142:19, 145:6,
158:16, 163:21,
173:21, 180:22,
188:16, 191:17,
203:3, 204:21,
211:8, 216:10,
222:18, 230:9, 231:4
issuing [2] - 142:6,
142:10
item [1] - 20:18
itself [5] - 154:25,
161:3, 161:17,
171:18, 181:24

J
James [2] - 25:22,
233:15

January [6] - 30:5,


30:12, 91:23,
104:24, 109:13,
145:8
Japan [1] - 164:18
Jay [2] - 2:15, 42:23
Jenkins [12] - 25:22,
26:9, 26:14, 31:13,
31:25, 32:18, 32:21,
32:23, 40:21, 65:24,
65:25, 73:2
Jenkins' [1] - 26:17
Jessica [2] - 146:14,
147:9
JIM [3] - 4:3, 5:8,
233:9
Jim [6] - 26:9, 26:14,
65:25, 73:2, 233:1,
245:18
job [14] - 96:15,
105:20, 113:24,
122:12, 122:14,
122:16, 129:15,
129:21, 140:7,
140:16, 141:1,
201:6, 210:8, 221:16
Joe [12] - 6:7, 6:7, 6:8,
6:8, 6:10, 132:4,
132:5, 137:16,
137:20, 138:24,
139:9, 248:3
JOE [3] - 3:17, 5:19,
139:3
John [2] - 1:22, 109:7
joint [1] - 210:11
Jonathan [1] - 2:9
jonathan.white@
texasattorneygeneral
.gov [1] - 2:12
journalism [2] 128:24, 129:1
judge [16] - 97:15,
98:24, 103:1,
167:11, 190:13,
199:22, 202:10,
202:12, 220:2,
233:1, 237:23,
238:24, 243:4,
245:13, 245:14,
245:18
Judge [6] - 1:22,
150:9, 202:19,
203:4, 203:25, 205:5
judgemental [1] 118:19
judgment [3] - 166:20,
195:14, 232:2
judicial [1] - 186:3
JUDICIAL [1] - 1:7
Julie [1] - 147:10

July [5] - 33:11, 79:21,


83:18, 128:22, 140:6
jump [3] - 11:11,
20:11, 181:10
jumping [2] - 9:13,
53:12
June [13] - 28:23,
32:22, 33:4, 33:5,
33:12, 33:21, 33:25,
35:14, 36:5, 37:15,
38:5, 38:9, 211:3
juris [1] - 139:15
jurisdiction [2] 168:8, 195:15
jurisdictions [1] 150:22
juror [2] - 77:17,
248:24
jurors [1] - 249:8
JURY [2] - 1:13, 13:5
jury [71] - 7:10, 7:11,
7:17, 8:6, 8:22, 8:24,
9:6, 9:13, 13:4,
47:11, 47:24, 48:13,
50:13, 84:9, 84:12,
90:11, 92:24, 98:6,
98:11, 98:22,
104:20, 105:15,
113:18, 114:24,
119:10, 127:13,
127:19, 127:21,
127:23, 129:13,
129:24, 130:21,
133:11, 133:17,
134:5, 136:1,
139:19, 143:11,
154:11, 162:12,
162:17, 170:3,
170:6, 171:22,
175:21, 187:1,
191:18, 194:5,
195:8, 199:22,
202:3, 202:9,
202:17, 204:15,
209:16, 209:23,
210:5, 219:11,
234:5, 238:15,
238:18, 243:12,
247:21, 249:7,
249:12, 250:10
Jury [5] - 10:8, 42:5,
42:8, 43:11, 71:20
jury's [1] - 12:7
Justice [1] - 231:9
justice [1] - 78:8
justify [1] - 47:21

K
K-U-L-H-A-V-Y [1] -

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

139:9
Kandace [2] - 94:7,
94:17
KANDY [3] - 3:10,
5:17, 94:13
Kandy [3] - 94:6,
94:17, 94:18
Karen [2] - 254:3,
254:18
kddeshetler@aol.
com [1] - 254:22
keep [6] - 89:19,
92:21, 98:11, 110:1,
111:21, 111:22
keeping [1] - 7:8
kept [1] - 228:1
key [1] - 252:11
Kime [1] - 147:10
kind [26] - 9:15, 17:20,
47:18, 49:7, 58:21,
63:23, 77:16,
105:18, 109:8,
114:4, 114:10,
143:11, 143:13,
143:23, 161:11,
165:15, 168:4,
168:17, 171:4,
172:2, 172:20,
181:3, 182:24,
184:20, 189:2
knocking [1] - 250:24
knowing [1] - 126:2
knowingly [1] - 122:4
knowledge [15] - 30:3,
48:25, 56:16, 57:10,
70:2, 71:23, 82:23,
92:8, 107:20, 108:4,
127:3, 133:22,
168:20, 200:20,
218:1
known [4] - 11:25,
12:1, 82:24, 233:25
knows [3] - 9:14,
121:25, 144:21
Kulhavy [18] - 6:7,
132:4, 132:6,
137:16, 138:1,
138:7, 138:24,
139:9, 147:6,
156:22, 170:11,
177:15, 180:22,
191:9, 192:7,
201:21, 205:19,
248:3
KULHAVY [3] - 3:17,
5:19, 139:3
Kulhavy..... [3] - 6:7,
6:8, 6:8
Kulhavy...................
[1] - 6:10

16

Kyoto [1] - 164:18

L
laches [2] - 143:7,
143:12
ladies [8] - 8:5, 84:7,
92:24, 127:11,
169:25, 177:12,
247:14, 247:17
lake [1] - 83:22
Lane [15] - 10:18,
11:10, 11:19, 13:8,
23:6, 23:11, 28:24,
29:3, 30:23, 37:11,
79:18, 79:20, 79:22,
80:3, 80:12
language [6] - 78:21,
181:24, 219:17,
219:20, 219:21,
250:11
largely [1] - 59:23
last [24] - 14:9, 27:18,
42:25, 81:21, 81:22,
89:23, 90:3, 113:13,
119:1, 139:22,
140:5, 150:21,
151:4, 162:1,
162:16, 164:17,
164:20, 164:21,
167:4, 177:18,
189:2, 196:20,
234:13, 234:21
lasts [1] - 38:1
late [11] - 22:14,
33:12, 48:4, 129:8,
146:20, 155:11,
174:21, 189:10,
210:25, 225:22
late-evening [1] 155:11
laughing [2] - 202:13,
214:10
law [100] - 17:9, 55:9,
55:24, 56:13, 56:16,
63:3, 63:8, 63:15,
63:18, 63:25, 64:1,
64:2, 64:4, 64:20,
67:13, 75:7, 75:12,
75:16, 75:19, 77:13,
77:24, 79:6, 80:17,
80:21, 80:24, 80:25,
81:21, 85:8, 85:19,
89:24, 91:21, 101:7,
105:5, 105:7,
108:13, 113:23,
118:21, 119:22,
120:4, 120:20,
124:13, 126:2,
126:5, 126:6,

126:20, 130:25,
131:2, 131:16,
132:24, 133:11,
139:16, 139:19,
139:20, 141:6,
141:15, 141:17,
141:21, 149:17,
150:21, 158:22,
159:25, 163:21,
164:1, 166:17,
167:4, 167:7,
170:19, 174:9,
186:19, 187:2,
187:6, 188:3, 193:4,
194:2, 194:5,
197:11, 215:1,
215:5, 228:23,
238:10, 238:14,
238:15, 241:25,
246:14, 246:22,
249:24, 250:9,
250:14, 250:18,
250:19, 251:7,
251:8, 251:10,
253:5, 253:6
Law [3] - 105:4,
119:15, 160:1
LAW [1] - 2:15
laws [8] - 106:22,
108:17, 142:9,
154:13, 212:19,
221:5, 221:20,
237:25
lawsuit [1] - 169:7
lawyer [7] - 46:23,
49:8, 49:11, 50:12,
67:2, 231:7, 243:13
lawyers [4] - 65:18,
98:4, 134:15, 240:14
lay [1] - 144:23
layman [1] - 143:13
lays [1] - 77:13
lead [6] - 58:13, 63:1,
137:23, 138:2,
138:9, 163:20
leading [22] - 121:3,
122:20, 122:22,
122:25, 137:4,
161:23, 179:4,
179:6, 192:25,
193:1, 194:22,
195:22, 197:22,
207:17, 207:19,
207:22, 208:1,
210:14, 224:2,
225:21, 225:22,
226:5
learn [1] - 235:24
learned [3] - 31:21,
235:21, 238:2

least [9] - 44:17,


87:14, 137:13,
144:23, 145:5,
187:18, 192:14,
196:22, 240:13
leave [5] - 35:14,
36:20, 71:14,
152:21, 186:11
leaves [1] - 9:3
leaving [3] - 81:5,
101:4, 192:22
led [1] - 93:24
Ledbetter [1] - 128:14
left [9] - 9:9, 36:19,
40:21, 96:16,
105:10, 120:3,
170:11, 177:7, 188:9
legal [38] - 37:8, 51:7,
53:9, 53:11, 53:16,
53:25, 55:17, 63:12,
63:23, 66:12, 67:25,
68:4, 68:14, 68:21,
113:6, 121:6,
121:17, 122:14,
125:9, 131:12,
131:13, 134:2,
137:3, 137:25,
140:14, 143:18,
144:2, 158:9,
158:11, 159:10,
161:11, 161:12,
166:23, 166:24,
167:10, 185:14,
197:14, 230:14
legalese [1] - 80:16
legally [1] - 118:17
legislator [1] - 186:5
legitimacy [2] 118:10, 118:14
legs [1] - 170:1
length [5] - 60:10,
164:6, 166:10,
187:17, 253:11
lengthy [2] - 124:17,
124:20
lenient [1] - 54:25
Leno [1] - 42:23
less [11] - 13:20,
30:21, 31:3, 54:23,
80:6, 85:23, 90:12,
101:17, 101:19,
101:21, 159:13
letter [38] - 51:9,
57:12, 57:17, 57:18,
57:19, 69:3, 109:16,
109:20, 109:25,
110:3, 115:15,
116:20, 116:22,
117:16, 117:20,
117:23, 118:1,

118:5, 119:14,
122:3, 122:10,
122:11, 122:13,
123:7, 123:10,
123:11, 123:13,
123:15, 123:18,
124:2, 124:4, 155:2,
213:17, 219:11,
227:2, 227:6, 227:9,
230:19
Letter [2] - 6:4, 6:6
letters [1] - 116:13
letting [3] - 8:12, 98:7,
155:2
libertarian [1] - 97:8
license [10] - 23:7,
37:2, 37:13, 37:19,
37:23, 37:24, 38:1,
38:3, 38:13, 45:14
lie [1] - 181:22
lied [2] - 167:9, 185:2
lies [1] - 164:3
life [13] - 13:25, 28:16,
34:24, 44:23, 44:24,
44:25, 83:10, 83:13,
83:16, 83:18, 87:13
light [1] - 54:3
Ligon [5] - 105:13,
105:19, 107:8,
110:5, 227:2
likely [1] - 22:20
Limine [1] - 9:18
limit [1] - 194:19
limitations [1] - 125:4
limited [3] - 19:24,
115:3, 185:22
limits [1] - 238:7
line [5] - 25:11, 58:22,
118:15, 157:5,
213:15
lines [1] - 217:14
list [25] - 29:14, 45:24,
46:1, 46:3, 115:14,
115:21, 116:4,
116:8, 116:14,
116:23, 152:17,
152:20, 154:15,
154:18, 155:4,
167:20, 168:2,
196:24, 218:20,
219:24, 220:8,
225:18, 227:3,
231:14
listed [5] - 26:16, 29:1,
165:19, 173:1, 184:7
listen [1] - 203:25
listened [1] - 202:18
listening [1] - 93:1
listing [2] - 38:7,
196:9

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

lists [5] - 32:17, 32:22,


33:22, 154:16,
210:21
literature [1] - 243:7
litigating [1] - 48:7
litigator [1] - 144:5
live [48] - 8:8, 10:17,
10:19, 29:18, 29:24,
54:16, 55:9, 74:25,
75:8, 79:11, 79:15,
79:16, 87:7, 88:10,
88:21, 91:21, 95:9,
100:22, 101:4,
116:10, 116:11,
156:10, 172:4,
173:3, 173:15,
178:6, 182:15,
182:16, 182:21,
182:22, 183:23,
184:2, 184:8, 185:4,
187:15, 195:25,
196:10, 198:13,
198:20, 213:25,
214:3, 215:10,
228:24, 231:20,
245:23, 246:3, 246:4
live-on-campus [1] 74:25
lived [17] - 10:23,
23:10, 34:23, 69:18,
94:22, 95:11, 154:6,
154:9, 165:17,
190:14, 200:10,
233:17, 242:16,
246:1, 246:5
lives [5] - 30:24,
75:10, 82:14, 181:5,
182:10
living [22] - 8:17,
10:25, 31:1, 37:11,
54:13, 55:13, 63:5,
69:7, 69:16, 91:25,
93:15, 96:3, 102:6,
102:7, 178:15,
178:16, 178:18,
182:18, 187:20,
197:15, 221:12,
233:19
loaded [2] - 133:10,
133:15
loan [4] - 11:1, 45:8,
45:13, 45:14
local [2] - 150:22,
168:6
location [5] - 90:23,
170:14, 173:6,
178:18, 179:15
locations [5] - 82:15,
83:11, 83:14, 83:19,
214:17

17

locked [1] - 218:21


locus [2] - 159:3,
182:24
logical [1] - 9:21
long-haul [1] - 127:1
longwinded [1] 162:17
look [38] - 51:10,
52:16, 54:8, 57:6,
60:22, 63:4, 64:4,
74:18, 76:13, 76:18,
79:8, 80:19, 93:1,
94:3, 106:24, 107:3,
120:9, 126:9,
140:19, 147:14,
156:4, 158:25,
159:11, 173:4,
175:17, 176:15,
186:13, 188:24,
198:21, 198:22,
203:7, 220:9, 249:7,
249:22, 251:2,
252:10, 252:23
looked [9] - 23:9,
51:4, 51:5, 51:22,
57:11, 60:24, 61:9,
198:24, 252:15
looking [8] - 40:24,
91:15, 165:13,
165:14, 205:18,
232:4, 248:21,
249:23
looks [11] - 35:8, 41:5,
51:23, 57:17, 57:19,
110:22, 121:21,
146:20, 149:19,
151:23
lose [3] - 81:4, 119:12,
165:23
losing [2] - 160:15,
183:10
lost [4] - 54:5, 119:8,
158:21, 164:13
loud [1] - 9:24
love [2] - 183:22,
188:23
loved [1] - 122:12
low [1] - 140:23
lower [4] - 94:9,
104:12, 128:5, 139:1
lowered [1] - 161:5
lunch [1] - 124:18
Lunch [1] - 127:15

M
ma'am [1] - 232:24
machine [1] - 1:24
mail [53] - 6:5, 6:7,
6:7, 6:8, 6:8, 35:23,

35:25, 36:2, 36:4,


38:2, 39:15, 53:5,
110:21, 110:24,
117:2, 145:9,
145:12, 145:24,
146:3, 146:4, 146:8,
146:10, 146:11,
146:18, 148:9,
150:15, 150:16,
151:12, 151:21,
152:2, 152:5, 152:9,
152:17, 153:10,
153:13, 155:8,
155:11, 155:19,
156:9, 156:18,
156:23, 156:25,
157:14, 157:17,
157:18, 173:11,
183:9, 223:14,
223:20, 223:25,
230:18, 252:17
mail...........................
........... [1] - 6:9
mailbox [2] - 35:20,
35:21
mailed [1] - 250:5
mailing [3] - 29:2,
110:17, 173:10
mails [9] - 146:24,
146:25, 147:10,
148:11, 150:14,
153:4, 155:15,
156:14, 176:8
Main [1] - 172:15
main [1] - 130:2
maintain [1] - 141:5
maintained [1] 111:18
major [2] - 54:4,
105:25
majority [6] - 55:5,
75:25, 86:8, 86:9,
95:12, 130:1
man [5] - 69:19, 127:8,
138:20, 174:2,
242:16
manager's [2] - 173:2,
173:3
map [1] - 218:25
March [21] - 14:25,
15:6, 30:12, 48:4,
75:4, 110:18, 144:7,
144:12, 146:1,
151:14, 153:10,
153:17, 155:10,
174:21, 184:9,
196:22, 211:3,
211:20, 212:6,
228:10
Marcos [1] - 209:17

mark [1] - 61:23


marked [7] - 40:6,
61:5, 155:6, 206:7,
212:2, 234:11, 248:3
marriage [1] - 95:12
married [10] - 27:2,
27:4, 27:6, 31:17,
94:23, 95:5, 95:7,
95:10, 96:25, 171:3
Marriott [2] - 103:8,
227:22
master's [1] - 129:1
matching [1] - 173:14
material [1] - 183:11
materials [1] - 123:12
matter [19] - 46:18,
47:6, 47:24, 75:18,
91:7, 99:19, 110:23,
147:11, 147:19,
148:20, 149:10,
149:20, 166:17,
175:10, 179:23,
187:11, 231:24,
231:25, 236:9
matters [3] - 9:19,
86:17, 105:10
McCormick [1] - 253:1
McDuffee [4] - 17:3,
25:1, 26:13, 73:19
McDuffee's [1] - 10:7
meals [2] - 36:22,
67:17
mean [56] - 9:12, 9:20,
10:7, 20:1, 48:11,
63:1, 63:8, 64:3,
79:5, 79:10, 80:10,
80:19, 90:15, 110:4,
111:1, 129:1,
131:21, 134:3,
142:14, 143:14,
148:25, 149:17,
161:6, 161:20,
162:1, 163:24,
166:4, 173:20,
175:25, 176:1,
176:4, 176:18,
176:24, 179:1,
179:5, 180:16,
182:19, 184:15,
185:10, 185:17,
191:1, 197:13,
200:11, 201:4,
216:16, 217:9,
217:14, 221:12,
221:13, 222:3,
224:19, 225:6,
227:12, 228:1,
228:15, 251:10
meaning [10] - 59:17,
60:22, 84:19,

125:13, 145:22,
151:9, 155:6,
167:21, 193:15,
197:15
means [8] - 9:15,
62:19, 63:3, 105:16,
113:10, 178:22,
187:13, 194:6
meant [6] - 63:22,
64:4, 164:10,
221:23, 250:19,
251:8
measured [1] - 180:23
Med [1] - 96:9
medallion [4] 111:13, 112:7,
112:9, 112:15
Medallions [1] - 6:9
media [2] - 129:15,
129:16
meet [3] - 12:2, 69:21,
160:15
meeting [20] - 12:3,
31:23, 31:24, 32:1,
32:2, 32:5, 38:19,
38:21, 38:25, 40:12,
41:9, 44:4, 44:5,
44:10, 50:19, 68:9,
112:5, 112:8,
112:20, 240:3
meetings [5] - 100:5,
111:8, 112:12,
113:14, 240:2
Mega [1] - 45:12
members [4] - 9:7,
25:24, 89:12, 140:18
memory [2] - 114:14,
144:13
men [1] - 101:5
mentally [4] - 58:17,
77:16, 195:15,
195:16
mentioned [2] 169:12, 222:12
merge [1] - 117:2
message [2] - 151:2,
151:23
met [12] - 14:7, 90:21,
94:22, 95:1, 113:10,
113:14, 114:14,
114:18, 145:3,
145:4, 211:19
Methodist [1] - 139:12
microphone [2] 8:16, 42:22
midday [1] - 253:15
middle [2] - 218:22,
219:20
might [31] - 23:8,
59:12, 68:25, 76:11,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

93:22, 93:23, 98:9,


110:2, 118:19,
124:8, 129:25,
145:15, 159:14,
172:6, 172:13,
172:23, 175:6,
182:19, 200:13,
202:16, 217:10,
217:11, 217:12,
226:16, 229:9,
229:19, 234:2,
238:1, 245:22,
253:14
Mike [4] - 46:13,
147:10, 153:4,
218:15
mile [2] - 21:1, 21:2
miles [3] - 75:11,
103:11, 103:12
Military [1] - 105:2
military [10] - 82:11,
83:6, 90:17, 164:15,
164:17, 165:6,
170:16, 174:5,
187:17, 221:12
Miller [2] - 134:25,
135:17
miller [2] - 135:5,
135:11
Miller's [1] - 135:3
Mills [6] - 56:11, 57:4,
57:9, 163:10,
163:19, 188:22
mind [26] - 46:19,
46:20, 46:21, 47:1,
47:7, 47:16, 48:24,
60:13, 64:3, 87:5,
96:23, 99:20, 148:3,
148:22, 148:24,
148:25, 149:2,
149:7, 149:11,
153:25, 175:12,
197:6, 200:14,
225:1, 225:5, 236:10
Minnesota [1] 169:18
minute [4] - 34:13,
74:19, 160:20,
193:14
minutes [9] - 84:8,
103:10, 132:2,
162:18, 170:1,
193:15, 202:11
misdemeanor [2] 168:8, 176:22
mislead [1] - 133:17
misleading [2] 123:24, 124:11
misled [1] - 143:20
misrepresent [1] -

18

201:4
missing [1] - 154:22
misstatement [2] 238:10, 250:20
misstating [1] 241:20
mistake [9] - 131:2,
131:16, 132:23,
249:24, 250:9,
250:14, 251:11,
251:14, 253:6
mistaken [5] - 250:18,
251:7, 251:10,
251:25, 252:6
mistakes [2] - 154:14,
155:3
mistrial [2] - 9:3, 9:8
misunderstood [2] 181:1, 226:16
misuse [1] - 186:6
Mitch [1] - 218:15
mixed [2] - 158:22,
164:1
mom [3] - 45:6, 45:7,
62:22
moment [8] - 11:11,
18:6, 37:6, 47:9,
60:6, 85:2, 163:16,
187:22
Monday [2] - 151:19,
151:20
monitor [2] - 162:23,
163:3
MONTGOMERY [1] 254:2
mONTGOMERY [1] 1:5
Montgomery [14] 1:23, 11:12, 12:3,
14:3, 14:8, 45:25,
82:25, 96:8, 104:22,
116:10, 135:20,
172:24, 209:24,
209:25
month [5] - 33:12,
33:22, 48:2, 95:8,
105:7
months [8] - 30:21,
31:3, 38:4, 80:2,
81:7, 87:6, 200:10,
202:20
moreover [2] - 55:6,
76:2
morning [5] - 7:5,
28:2, 72:14, 73:17,
247:18
Mortgage [1] - 45:12
most [16] - 14:4,
22:20, 24:21, 32:13,
32:15, 34:24, 52:23,

54:15, 77:17,
129:20, 133:1,
140:22, 141:17,
189:1, 221:7, 221:8
mostly [3] - 45:7, 87:1,
140:16
motels [1] - 179:13
mother [1] - 44:12
Motion [1] - 9:18
motivation [2] - 48:23,
50:3
motive [2] - 48:25,
153:7
move [10] - 17:21,
17:23, 17:25, 42:22,
50:17, 91:23, 95:15,
183:13, 206:5, 244:6
moved [9] - 18:8,
44:20, 95:18,
102:15, 183:24,
242:17, 242:18,
245:20
moves [1] - 173:16
moving [5] - 9:2,
17:16, 17:18, 18:5,
245:23
MR [476] - 7:6, 7:7,
7:14, 7:19, 7:24, 8:4,
8:18, 8:23, 9:2, 9:18,
10:4, 10:6, 10:17,
13:7, 24:15, 24:18,
42:18, 42:19, 42:21,
46:15, 46:17, 46:21,
46:25, 47:4, 47:14,
47:23, 48:4, 48:6,
48:9, 48:14, 48:20,
48:22, 49:6, 49:10,
49:15, 49:20, 49:25,
50:2, 50:4, 50:7,
50:9, 50:17, 51:13,
51:16, 52:6, 52:9,
52:12, 53:15, 53:21,
53:24, 54:5, 54:9,
54:10, 56:12, 56:24,
58:6, 58:9, 58:12,
61:3, 61:5, 61:14,
61:17, 61:20, 61:24,
62:2, 62:7, 62:10,
62:14, 63:17, 70:1,
70:6, 70:8, 71:10,
71:12, 71:13, 71:17,
76:17, 76:18, 84:4,
84:15, 84:17, 89:13,
89:14, 89:17, 92:2,
92:5, 92:9, 92:11,
92:13, 92:16, 92:19,
92:24, 94:6, 94:11,
94:16, 98:14, 98:17,
98:24, 99:1, 99:16,
99:18, 99:21, 99:24,

100:19, 100:21,
103:19, 103:20,
104:1, 104:4, 104:7,
104:9, 104:13,
104:18, 110:11,
110:13, 111:11,
111:12, 112:18,
112:22, 112:25,
113:5, 113:9,
113:20, 113:22,
114:7, 114:8,
114:13, 114:19,
114:22, 115:2,
115:6, 115:8,
115:25, 116:2,
117:8, 117:11,
117:14, 117:15,
119:2, 119:5, 119:6,
119:13, 121:3,
121:5, 122:20,
123:5, 124:16,
124:19, 124:21,
124:24, 125:17,
125:19, 126:12,
126:15, 126:18,
127:5, 127:6, 127:9,
127:18, 128:2,
128:6, 128:10,
130:10, 130:13,
130:18, 130:22,
131:6, 131:9,
131:10, 131:11,
131:13, 131:22,
131:25, 132:9,
132:12, 132:13,
132:15, 132:17,
132:18, 132:19,
132:22, 132:23,
133:4, 133:14,
133:20, 134:17,
134:19, 134:21,
134:23, 135:7,
135:10, 138:18,
138:19, 138:21,
138:24, 139:6,
143:25, 144:17,
144:20, 145:2,
145:18, 145:21,
147:3, 147:7,
147:18, 148:2,
148:9, 148:16,
148:19, 149:4,
149:13, 149:17,
149:19, 149:25,
150:9, 150:11,
150:13, 152:11,
152:19, 152:22,
153:2, 153:6, 153:9,
153:22, 153:24,
154:2, 155:22,
156:3, 156:6,

156:17, 156:21,
157:5, 157:12,
158:13, 159:6,
159:20, 159:23,
161:23, 161:25,
163:7, 163:9, 170:9,
170:11, 170:21,
173:22, 173:24,
174:11, 174:13,
175:9, 175:11,
175:15, 175:19,
176:6, 176:14,
176:21, 176:25,
177:3, 177:6, 177:8,
177:15, 179:4,
179:9, 179:18,
179:20, 180:3,
180:15, 180:18,
180:21, 186:23,
187:4, 188:13,
188:17, 188:18,
188:20, 189:9,
189:13, 189:16,
189:21, 189:24,
190:5, 190:20,
190:23, 190:25,
191:6, 191:9,
191:12, 191:20,
191:23, 192:3,
192:6, 192:11,
192:25, 193:3,
193:10, 193:13,
194:18, 194:22,
194:25, 195:2,
195:3, 195:22,
195:24, 196:3,
197:21, 197:23,
197:24, 198:6,
198:8, 201:15,
201:17, 201:20,
202:5, 202:10,
202:19, 203:4,
203:8, 203:9,
203:19, 203:24,
204:3, 204:6, 204:7,
204:11, 204:19,
204:23, 205:3,
205:5, 205:8,
205:11, 205:15,
205:21, 206:1,
206:3, 206:6,
206:12, 206:15,
207:1, 207:3, 207:5,
207:10, 207:12,
207:17, 207:20,
207:23, 208:1,
208:2, 208:3,
208:13, 208:15,
208:17, 208:23,
209:1, 209:7,
209:11, 209:15,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

210:14, 210:15,
211:24, 212:1,
215:21, 216:1,
216:7, 216:9,
216:11, 216:13,
216:23, 216:25,
218:11, 218:13,
219:4, 219:7, 220:4,
220:7, 223:5, 223:7,
223:16, 223:19,
224:2, 224:3, 224:6,
224:8, 224:10,
224:13, 224:17,
224:23, 225:3,
225:9, 225:11,
225:14, 225:17,
225:21, 225:23,
226:1, 226:5, 226:7,
226:20, 226:22,
226:24, 227:1,
227:17, 227:19,
229:22, 229:25,
230:4, 230:11,
230:13, 232:13,
232:16, 232:20,
232:21, 232:23,
233:1, 233:7,
233:12, 234:10,
234:11, 235:8,
235:10, 235:13,
235:16, 235:21,
236:5, 236:8,
236:13, 236:24,
237:3, 237:5, 237:8,
237:12, 237:15,
238:9, 238:22,
238:23, 239:13,
239:17, 240:20,
240:24, 241:17,
243:17, 243:20,
244:1, 244:6, 244:8,
245:9, 245:11,
247:1, 247:3, 247:6,
247:8, 247:12,
247:24, 248:7,
248:10, 248:13,
248:16, 248:22,
249:6, 249:11,
249:16, 249:25,
250:5, 250:7, 250:9,
250:22, 251:3,
251:12, 251:16,
251:19, 252:13,
252:15, 252:19,
252:22, 252:25,
253:9, 253:16,
253:17
MUD [2] - 214:19,
219:23
multiple [3] - 40:15,
221:12, 249:7

19

murders [1] - 106:1


must [8] - 84:19, 86:4,
86:11, 91:1, 118:3,
141:4, 250:17, 251:6
MY [1] - 254:15

N
nailed [1] - 114:15
name [27] - 8:7, 37:8,
43:4, 44:13, 46:12,
57:5, 72:8, 104:19,
104:21, 109:6,
109:7, 128:11,
128:13, 134:24,
135:3, 138:5, 139:7,
139:9, 220:14,
233:13, 233:15,
234:5, 234:7, 234:8,
234:21, 234:22,
240:10
named [3] - 95:24,
137:16
names [5] - 95:23,
218:21, 220:2,
220:11, 234:13
Nancy [1] - 128:14
nature [5] - 34:8,
134:1, 152:15,
156:6, 156:8
near [4] - 10:10,
40:19, 59:13, 177:17
nearly [2] - 33:12,
33:21
necessarily [5] 135:15, 161:6,
170:13, 178:25,
181:8
necessary [7] - 41:15,
67:12, 68:8, 68:12,
81:17, 99:13, 244:4
need [13] - 121:8,
132:3, 144:24,
168:5, 168:23,
172:16, 187:15,
196:1, 202:6,
213:24, 221:5,
221:6, 221:22
needed [3] - 67:23,
102:1, 221:9
needs [4] - 67:1,
204:15, 251:8, 252:3
neglectful [1] - 44:18
neighbor [4] - 181:5,
217:11, 217:13,
217:15
neighbor's [1] - 181:7
never [29] - 19:16,
21:22, 103:23,
107:12, 107:17,

107:20, 107:22,
120:7, 136:4, 165:8,
165:17, 165:18,
165:21, 166:2,
173:16, 183:5,
184:11, 184:18,
184:21, 185:5,
192:23, 201:9,
227:24, 228:10,
228:14, 231:17,
240:6, 245:25
nevertheless [1] 164:22
new [1] - 10:1
New [1] - 132:17
news [1] - 130:23
newspaper [4] 40:10, 67:16,
132:12, 132:15
newspapers [1] 39:20
next [33] - 7:13, 7:18,
23:19, 24:12, 40:1,
76:17, 91:22, 91:23,
92:15, 98:21, 104:8,
128:1, 138:23,
155:14, 156:7,
157:9, 164:5,
167:21, 168:4,
177:23, 180:1,
188:12, 208:22,
209:6, 232:25,
233:1, 234:20,
237:13, 241:15,
244:23, 248:20,
249:21
nice [1] - 247:19
night [27] - 21:22,
26:9, 26:19, 28:4,
28:5, 28:7, 28:9,
32:19, 33:3, 33:7,
33:10, 34:1, 34:3,
34:10, 40:14, 70:21,
72:15, 89:4, 171:2,
184:11, 185:7,
185:11, 187:5,
244:17, 244:21,
246:19, 246:24
nights [7] - 33:5,
38:23, 40:15,
101:13, 101:15,
101:23
nine [3] - 227:21,
227:24, 228:1
NO [1] - 1:1
nobody [3] - 93:1,
94:1, 134:8
non [2] - 120:25,
166:18
non-court [1] - 166:18

non-public [1] 120:25


none [11] - 29:17,
75:1, 75:3, 75:5,
88:25, 89:1, 89:2,
102:15, 198:13
nonetheless [1] - 79:8
nonexistent [1] 52:22
nonpartisan [1] 186:6
nonresidential [1] 156:16
nonresponsive [5] 173:22, 174:11,
190:20, 207:10,
236:24
nonverbal [1] - 98:10
normal [1] - 243:10
normally [3] - 97:9,
154:24, 220:1
north [2] - 87:9,
105:11
note [1] - 150:9
nothing [5] - 49:13,
49:23, 144:25,
181:23, 205:23
notice [5] - 167:17,
167:20, 167:23,
220:14, 230:21
noticeable [1] - 249:1
noticed [2] - 249:2,
249:4
noticing [1] - 248:23
November [4] - 79:25,
140:5, 141:18
Number [37] - 25:4,
25:20, 29:16, 35:6,
37:7, 39:6, 39:18,
40:19, 61:18, 78:2,
80:5, 110:14, 116:3,
116:19, 117:9,
130:14, 133:8,
145:22, 146:2,
155:23, 159:24,
169:10, 193:14,
212:2, 217:2,
217:23, 219:8,
223:8, 224:4,
234:12, 248:1,
248:2, 248:4
number [12] - 27:12,
29:17, 82:12, 137:2,
140:9, 140:20,
140:21, 141:5,
141:15, 154:15,
160:17, 198:13
numbered [2] - 1:21,
254:7
numerous [4] - 10:9,

119:7, 131:14,
211:15
nurse [1] - 96:4
nursing [2] - 96:6,
200:11

O
o'clock [1] - 247:17
Oaks [1] - 233:16
object [19] - 46:15,
53:15, 54:1, 56:12,
70:1, 112:22, 147:8,
147:13, 152:11,
152:13, 157:5,
173:22, 179:18,
189:16, 205:11,
224:6, 224:17,
235:13, 244:3
Objection [1] - 180:15
objection [73] - 47:3,
47:4, 52:9, 56:22,
58:9, 62:10, 62:11,
99:16, 104:3, 104:4,
114:8, 114:21,
117:11, 121:3,
122:20, 131:12,
131:13, 133:8,
133:19, 134:6,
134:21, 135:7,
144:24, 148:4,
148:16, 150:4,
150:7, 153:3, 153:5,
153:8, 153:22,
156:2, 156:3,
161:23, 174:11,
175:9, 179:4, 189:9,
190:20, 190:25,
192:25, 194:22,
195:22, 197:21,
202:5, 203:22,
206:4, 207:3,
207:10, 207:17,
208:1, 208:3,
208:17, 210:14,
215:21, 216:7,
216:11, 218:11,
223:16, 224:2,
224:10, 225:21,
226:5, 226:20,
230:11, 235:8,
235:10, 236:5,
236:24, 237:6,
238:9, 239:13,
249:24
objectionable [1] 238:21
objections [2] - 248:5,
248:9
obvious [1] - 98:8

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

obviously [5] - 34:5,


63:7, 121:7, 133:10,
191:13
occasion [2] - 114:1,
135:3
occasionally [1] 36:23
occasions [4] - 82:12,
107:9, 137:21,
211:15
occupation [4] 104:19, 128:11,
139:7, 139:10
occurred [1] - 254:7
occurring [1] - 48:3
OCTOBER [1] - 1:13
october [3] - 3:1, 4:1,
5:1
October [4] - 1:20,
2:1, 6:1, 140:3
OF [5] - 1:3, 2:5, 2:10,
254:1, 254:2
OFF [1] - 6:2
offense [5] - 23:9,
41:25, 42:3, 113:3,
122:9
offer [2] - 142:21,
181:20
offered [6] - 46:17,
47:23, 48:24, 99:22,
147:18, 147:19
offering [9] - 99:19,
140:17, 148:20,
148:21, 149:5,
153:6, 236:8, 236:9
Office [2] - 105:6,
254:21
office [91] - 16:3, 16:4,
78:17, 81:24, 82:13,
93:17, 97:12, 97:14,
105:20, 105:22,
105:24, 106:9,
106:15, 106:16,
106:17, 107:7,
107:20, 107:21,
109:19, 111:2,
111:18, 111:20,
114:1, 116:9, 120:8,
125:4, 128:20,
128:21, 129:6,
129:10, 129:12,
129:17, 129:19,
129:25, 130:3,
130:5, 130:8, 132:1,
135:6, 135:14,
136:3, 137:20,
140:8, 140:9, 141:9,
141:25, 142:12,
142:20, 143:6,
143:9, 144:10,

20

146:6, 146:12,
146:15, 146:16,
147:6, 147:23,
155:13, 155:16,
155:25, 160:12,
162:6, 172:3, 173:1,
173:2, 173:3, 175:8,
181:3, 185:14,
186:1, 186:6,
193:17, 196:8,
198:2, 205:18,
211:6, 211:15,
213:7, 215:7,
217:20, 222:12,
229:4, 229:8,
240:17, 240:18,
241:1, 241:5, 241:8,
241:18, 242:6
Office....... [1] - 6:9
officeholder [1] 142:25
officeholders [1] 141:11
officer [6] - 11:1, 23:8,
45:9, 105:19,
141:13, 146:6
officer's [1] - 45:14
offices [2] - 115:22,
171:7
official [11] - 57:21,
105:19, 119:24,
138:10, 142:6,
142:24, 143:23,
144:8, 155:18,
168:22, 223:25
OFFICIAL [1] - 254:15
officially [1] - 57:21
officials [9] - 106:5,
120:15, 120:22,
120:25, 121:7,
137:7, 140:18,
141:7, 162:5
often [1] - 160:13
oftentimes [1] - 137:7
oil [1] - 102:22
old [4] - 11:2, 12:22,
95:17, 146:25
older [1] - 200:8
omissions [1] - 155:3
once [13] - 8:10, 9:11,
9:14, 9:20, 20:5,
28:18, 28:20, 35:13,
54:21, 108:18,
152:9, 198:24,
202:18
one [126] - 16:3, 16:18,
16:19, 16:22, 17:5,
21:9, 24:22, 24:24,
25:1, 25:24, 26:9,
27:13, 28:5, 28:21,

28:24, 29:4, 32:19,


33:10, 33:22, 34:9,
39:21, 40:14, 44:17,
47:5, 47:9, 53:17,
56:10, 61:9, 62:20,
66:2, 69:9, 69:12,
69:16, 70:21, 71:6,
72:3, 72:10, 72:20,
73:2, 73:15, 73:19,
74:1, 74:5, 74:12,
76:12, 76:17, 78:9,
82:15, 83:11, 83:13,
83:18, 86:18, 89:4,
89:14, 91:10, 96:12,
103:24, 106:25,
107:12, 111:17,
111:24, 116:21,
125:20, 126:10,
129:19, 133:1,
137:9, 143:10,
150:23, 160:7,
160:21, 160:24,
163:19, 163:20,
165:7, 169:7, 171:1,
172:23, 173:1,
174:2, 174:7, 174:9,
175:6, 178:23,
180:25, 181:17,
183:17, 184:11,
185:7, 185:11,
187:5, 188:15,
189:2, 194:10,
199:8, 203:15,
205:16, 206:12,
212:2, 212:13,
214:20, 215:25,
217:7, 217:11,
217:15, 218:10,
229:15, 229:17,
231:3, 231:10,
241:12, 243:20,
243:21, 243:23,
246:19, 246:24,
250:2, 250:20,
250:24, 251:1
one's [6] - 62:19,
79:17, 178:22,
193:20, 194:7,
201:13
ones [4] - 67:20,
119:2, 119:5, 169:15
online [4] - 131:1,
131:19, 132:13,
132:15
open [5] - 50:7,
150:24, 171:13,
172:17, 200:13
opened [2] - 47:15,
50:8
Opening [1] - 3:8

opening [1] - 92:20


OPENING [1] - 92:23
operates [2] - 49:12,
49:22
operating [1] - 105:19
operations [1] - 106:5
operative [1] - 59:12
opinion [97] - 41:11,
51:21, 52:14, 53:9,
53:11, 53:25, 54:6,
54:15, 55:19, 55:22,
55:24, 56:7, 57:3,
57:21, 57:25, 58:2,
58:13, 58:22, 59:6,
59:7, 59:13, 63:5,
63:9, 65:14, 65:15,
70:9, 70:10, 71:4,
71:6, 74:18, 74:19,
76:19, 76:20, 76:25,
77:7, 78:1, 78:4,
78:6, 78:7, 78:12,
78:20, 78:21, 79:4,
79:9, 81:24, 84:2,
84:18, 84:23, 85:1,
85:2, 85:6, 86:3,
86:13, 87:1, 87:17,
87:24, 89:4, 89:18,
100:14, 107:17,
107:21, 107:22,
107:24, 108:16,
118:23, 119:21,
120:1, 120:4,
120:10, 120:13,
120:18, 126:8,
133:16, 136:1,
136:3, 141:16,
141:17, 141:20,
141:23, 142:4,
144:2, 159:18,
159:25, 162:25,
169:10, 169:23,
170:19, 177:17,
189:7, 198:17,
201:2, 201:24,
204:20, 221:6,
228:14, 238:12,
239:18
Opinion [2] - 119:15,
160:1
Opinion................. [1]
- 6:4
opinions [34] - 51:7,
59:2, 60:14, 60:16,
70:17, 70:20, 70:22,
75:6, 75:19, 97:6,
107:4, 107:10,
107:11, 107:16,
107:18, 118:20,
118:25, 120:6,
121:6, 121:17,

125:25, 126:6,
133:10, 134:3,
136:4, 141:16,
142:7, 142:10,
142:21, 142:22,
143:1, 159:16,
160:7, 240:19
opponent [2] - 160:15,
171:11
opportunity [6] 150:5, 154:18,
168:1, 192:4,
241:13, 243:11
opposed [2] - 68:12,
148:25
opposite [2] - 181:9,
202:15
option [1] - 168:6
options [1] - 19:8
orally [1] - 133:13
oranges [1] - 191:18
order [5] - 63:12, 71:4,
150:24, 150:25,
151:1
ordinary [6] - 119:23,
137:2, 143:13,
197:18, 251:23,
252:4
organize [1] - 243:7
originally [1] - 37:13
otherwise [4] - 63:19,
80:18, 173:15,
249:20
ought [1] - 203:16
outcome [1] - 23:25
outlined [3] - 16:16,
17:4, 17:15
outreach [1] - 128:15
outside [10] - 8:21,
21:1, 47:10, 96:17,
98:5, 104:10, 109:1,
130:20, 175:20,
202:8
overcome [1] - 181:21
overnight [3] - 66:5,
244:13, 253:14
overrule [1] - 56:22
overruled [8] - 54:2,
114:25, 152:14,
152:15, 190:2,
208:5, 235:19,
239:15
oversaw [3] - 129:17,
129:18, 129:19
oversee [1] - 129:15
owed [1] - 142:22
own [11] - 34:15,
34:19, 35:9, 72:3,
83:21, 91:25, 157:6,
208:9, 210:22,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

219:13, 219:23
owned [4] - 34:23,
35:10, 73:24, 96:13

P
p.m [1] - 26:10
P.O [4] - 2:5, 2:10,
29:18, 198:14
pack [1] - 45:17
package [1] - 106:14
packet [1] - 108:23
Page [20] - 26:11,
39:18, 40:6, 40:19,
46:13, 59:13, 81:19,
81:23, 84:1, 84:5,
84:17, 85:2, 85:7,
85:8, 87:21, 147:10,
153:4, 177:17,
218:15
PAGE [3] - 3:2, 4:2,
5:2
page [20] - 27:12,
27:18, 37:7, 39:17,
40:6, 49:20, 49:22,
49:25, 50:5, 50:6,
59:14, 71:6, 85:8,
85:9, 85:12, 85:15,
169:23, 234:12,
234:20
pages [3] - 76:19,
146:7, 212:3
paid [4] - 26:8, 31:13,
222:15, 254:13
paid/will [1] - 254:13
painful [2] - 249:15,
249:17
PANEL [1] - 13:5
paper [1] - 212:3
Paragraph [2] - 63:14,
81:23
paragraph [17] 59:20, 63:17, 80:16,
81:18, 81:23, 82:6,
85:20, 85:21, 89:23,
90:5, 90:6, 163:1,
177:18, 196:11,
219:14, 219:21,
251:3
paragraphs [2] - 78:4,
85:18
paraphrase [1] - 66:25
paraphrased [1] 163:24
pardoned [2] - 77:22,
195:13
parents [7] - 10:22,
14:1, 30:25, 36:20,
36:22, 75:8, 95:1
parents' [4] - 23:6,

21

36:19, 54:20, 164:19


park [4] - 173:2,
173:3, 173:9, 173:10
parking [1] - 15:10
parole [1] - 195:12
part [29] - 12:15, 14:4,
24:21, 54:4, 54:5,
54:6, 60:24, 71:3,
77:8, 77:17, 88:14,
105:23, 129:21,
133:21, 141:6,
142:8, 142:11,
146:10, 146:11,
177:21, 178:19,
186:21, 187:1,
223:24, 243:2,
248:18, 253:3, 253:6
partially [1] - 195:16
participate [4] - 97:3,
97:9, 99:7, 100:5
participated [1] 25:25
particular [15] 141:17, 142:11,
157:24, 158:19,
158:24, 159:5,
160:24, 166:11,
169:4, 170:18,
171:2, 172:2,
178:11, 226:13
particularize [1] - 9:16
particularly [3] - 54:3,
136:15, 164:15
parties [5] - 9:5, 14:9,
134:2, 134:15,
254:11
partly [1] - 164:25
parts [1] - 58:19
Party [3] - 14:16,
14:18, 44:5
party [8] - 12:3, 14:8,
47:19, 97:22,
134:11, 225:7,
225:9, 237:23
pass [23] - 42:18,
47:20, 48:13, 70:6,
89:13, 92:3, 100:19,
103:19, 124:16,
125:17, 127:5,
138:18, 175:14,
180:18, 188:17,
198:6, 201:15,
208:13, 227:17,
232:20, 243:5,
245:9, 247:1
passes [1] - 48:19
passing [1] - 173:20
past [6] - 53:2, 81:19,
102:21, 141:15,
174:9, 230:16

pasted [1] - 252:16


Pastoral [1] - 73:6
patience [1] - 249:18
patterned [2] - 250:21,
250:25
patterns [1] - 136:24
Pawgan [1] - 254:14
pay [5] - 14:5, 26:2,
31:11, 33:1, 34:6
paying [1] - 92:25
peculiar [1] - 197:15
peculiarity [1] 197:11
peers [1] - 13:20
pending [1] - 14:12
people [80] - 15:11,
17:17, 18:19, 24:22,
24:24, 25:1, 32:12,
34:14, 39:10, 44:10,
49:8, 49:16, 68:23,
69:6, 69:14, 93:4,
93:13, 100:9, 108:8,
115:18, 115:21,
118:17, 121:1,
122:4, 122:8,
124:17, 125:21,
126:2, 126:21,
126:25, 137:24,
141:1, 142:13,
143:3, 143:6, 144:6,
158:16, 160:6,
160:11, 160:19,
160:23, 162:21,
164:18, 165:7,
170:12, 171:6,
171:25, 172:9,
172:10, 172:25,
173:14, 179:12,
180:23, 181:22,
182:13, 185:15,
185:25, 192:13,
197:25, 200:18,
200:19, 203:18,
213:18, 214:16,
214:21, 214:23,
214:24, 221:7,
221:8, 221:11,
225:18, 226:19,
229:10, 230:18,
230:25, 231:18,
231:20, 240:1,
240:16
per [3] - 21:6, 21:7,
50:24
percent [3] - 20:18,
111:10, 149:6
percentage [1] - 80:8
perfectly [2] - 55:17,
66:11
perform [1] - 140:10

period [12] - 32:8,


38:1, 81:7, 88:16,
88:21, 111:4,
137:19, 138:16,
195:13, 212:10,
212:18, 216:15
perjury [5] - 168:11,
184:23, 184:24,
184:25, 185:1
permanent [15] - 60:4,
88:1, 164:20, 166:9,
171:19, 178:18,
183:15, 183:16,
186:14, 186:23,
193:16, 193:22,
194:14, 194:17,
196:10
permanently [2] 172:5, 187:16
permitted [1] - 154:7
person [47] - 16:3,
39:13, 55:4, 55:8,
59:23, 60:2, 69:16,
75:25, 81:4, 81:9,
81:10, 84:20, 85:3,
87:13, 112:5,
121:24, 121:25,
143:4, 143:16,
143:19, 145:3,
145:4, 150:23,
154:17, 158:19,
168:3, 168:4, 171:1,
172:13, 174:2,
174:5, 178:17,
181:14, 181:15,
182:14, 182:19,
186:9, 200:1,
204:24, 231:3,
231:20, 241:2,
241:22, 242:3,
251:24, 252:4
person's [11] - 81:4,
81:5, 81:11, 86:13,
166:11, 171:15,
171:19, 180:6,
193:15, 200:14,
243:15
personal [5] - 18:24,
56:16, 70:2, 112:12,
205:12
personally [1] - 18:23
personnel [3] - 82:12,
105:22, 165:6
perspective [1] 197:4
pertinent [3] - 58:19,
60:3, 85:23
Pete [2] - 17:1, 72:20
Peter [1] - 44:14
Pflugerville [1] -

128:15
Phil [11] - 6:5, 6:6,
69:4, 104:10,
104:21, 223:1,
223:14, 225:4,
226:18, 226:21,
227:1
PHIL [3] - 3:12, 5:14,
104:15
philosophy [3] 18:23, 18:25, 224:14
phone [27] - 34:8,
124:12, 129:22,
129:25, 130:1,
137:2, 140:22,
144:7, 145:5, 152:6,
152:8, 157:21,
162:13, 162:16,
174:22, 174:23,
176:7, 178:25,
189:1, 190:6,
201:21, 203:1,
203:5, 203:11,
206:24, 208:7,
212:13
photocopy [1] 112:19
photographs [2] 67:16, 67:19
photos [1] - 100:24
phrase [7] - 65:6,
76:8, 87:3, 90:25,
91:3, 163:13, 163:17
phrased [1] - 253:10
phrases [1] - 178:16
physical [18] - 65:4,
82:15, 83:11, 83:14,
83:19, 158:17,
159:3, 164:1,
165:14, 165:16,
165:24, 166:4,
178:9, 178:22,
180:6, 182:24,
184:19, 184:21
physically [5] 164:21, 165:21,
185:5, 196:24, 197:5
pick [5] - 58:14, 60:18,
64:5, 173:7, 173:11
picked [2] - 101:25,
186:16
picture [9] - 35:18,
35:19, 39:17, 39:20,
39:22, 40:1, 40:17,
40:20, 40:23
pictures [5] - 39:3,
39:6, 39:8, 39:11,
40:11
piece [7] - 39:15,
42:14, 143:8, 161:4,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

161:15, 171:1, 212:3


pieces [2] - 56:2,
161:18
Pines [12] - 29:12,
29:14, 29:20, 29:23,
38:7, 184:7, 184:9,
198:15, 220:21,
222:1, 231:15, 235:1
Pirates [1] - 81:2
place [51] - 54:14,
62:19, 78:9, 81:5,
81:9, 81:11, 88:17,
90:22, 108:3,
158:17, 158:19,
158:21, 158:24,
159:3, 159:5,
160:24, 164:2,
164:13, 164:14,
165:15, 165:17,
165:23, 166:11,
166:20, 169:19,
171:3, 171:12,
173:7, 173:15,
178:22, 184:16,
184:20, 184:22,
186:9, 186:14,
187:14, 187:15,
187:21, 187:23,
193:20, 194:7,
194:15, 194:16,
194:20, 201:13,
240:2
placed [1] - 167:20
places [2] - 87:14,
116:9
placing [1] - 168:2
plan [3] - 9:8, 18:25,
200:23
planet [1] - 173:7
planned [1] - 23:3
planning [5] - 16:16,
125:1, 181:13,
185:6, 228:11
plans [1] - 16:13
play [1] - 202:17
playing [1] - 67:17
point [31] - 12:7,
15:24, 65:3, 93:23,
118:19, 125:20,
133:25, 150:5,
158:5, 165:16,
176:4, 176:14,
177:2, 181:1,
183:14, 191:1,
205:3, 205:5,
212:12, 217:3,
218:10, 220:18,
220:20, 224:21,
227:25, 229:4,
229:17, 242:12,

22

243:16, 247:9, 250:3


pointing [2] - 82:6,
250:13
points [1] - 253:13
poise [1] - 249:18
police [1] - 23:8
policies [2] - 105:21,
130:8
political [9] - 14:9,
52:25, 96:20, 97:1,
97:9, 139:13,
142:25, 150:25,
151:2
politically [5] - 13:13,
13:20, 13:24, 14:23,
96:23
politics [1] - 54:18
Polk [1] - 215:18
polls [2] - 22:21, 22:24
Pond [1] - 73:6
Portion [1] - 6:5
portions [1] - 254:6
posing [1] - 40:24
position [11] - 41:11,
55:7, 76:3, 81:15,
104:23, 144:8,
146:5, 204:15,
209:24, 210:2, 224:1
positive [1] - 110:9
possessions [1] 36:18
possibility [1] - 169:1
possible [5] - 78:18,
111:5, 111:6, 151:4,
182:9
possibly [2] - 44:16
posted [2] - 123:24,
151:1
postmarked [1] 178:13
potential [2] - 9:6,
156:10
potentially [1] 168:16
pouch [1] - 111:12
practical [1] - 238:1
practice [2] - 139:19,
139:20
practiced [1] - 139:21
practicing [2] - 96:5,
96:7
Prairie [9] - 70:13,
74:21, 76:23, 85:7,
85:12, 170:19,
170:23, 174:8,
174:16
precedent [1] - 190:15
precedents [1] - 81:25
preceding [1] - 64:2
precinct [11] - 172:16,

217:12, 236:23,
237:22, 242:10,
242:16, 242:22,
242:25, 243:4,
243:5, 243:8
precincts' [1] - 220:1
predicate [1] - 49:14
prejudicial [1] - 203:3
preliminary [2] 106:13, 108:20
premarked [9] - 51:17,
57:15, 110:14,
116:18, 130:14,
145:22, 151:9,
153:11, 223:8
preparation [1] 254:12
preparations [1] 210:24
prepare [1] - 228:8
preregister [1] - 31:7
presence [16] - 8:21,
47:10, 60:5, 60:11,
65:4, 65:8, 98:5,
130:20, 163:14,
164:7, 164:13,
166:2, 166:8,
175:20, 180:6, 202:8
present [12] - 7:3,
7:15, 24:18, 40:17,
59:23, 67:10, 96:1,
134:13, 164:21,
196:25, 200:5,
200:16
presentation [1] 148:6
presented [1] - 149:9
presenting [1] 252:16
Presiding [1] - 1:22
presumably [1] 180:7
presume [1] - 199:13
presumed [6] - 55:5,
75:8, 76:1, 76:2,
165:3, 171:4
presumption [14] 75:12, 75:23, 76:9,
76:13, 76:14, 86:24,
88:2, 88:4, 162:6,
171:15, 181:18,
181:21, 182:7,
182:11
presumptions [1] 76:6
presumptively [8] 164:22, 164:24,
180:7, 190:13,
192:17, 192:18,
198:19, 198:21

pretty [15] - 19:25,


20:2, 44:19, 93:4,
111:6, 114:2,
144:13, 162:22,
167:5, 169:3, 169:5,
185:8, 190:16, 223:9
previous [3] - 16:7,
54:14, 152:2
previously [2] - 9:4,
13:8
price [1] - 21:10
prices [1] - 21:11
primary [6] - 14:24,
30:12, 30:13, 30:15,
79:7, 96:12
principal [1] - 174:1
principles [1] - 55:13
print [1] - 29:15
printed [2] - 79:13,
181:24
prison [1] - 77:22
private [3] - 122:15,
143:25, 144:1
probate [1] - 195:15
probation [1] - 195:13
probe [1] - 246:10
problem [10] - 49:24,
71:3, 103:14, 125:7,
147:21, 158:25,
174:7, 178:19,
180:25, 231:19
problems [7] - 10:13,
39:1, 41:10, 147:7,
154:16, 160:17,
181:17
procedural [2] 228:16, 230:23
procedure [1] - 106:19
procedures [3] 85:22, 213:4, 214:14
proceed [12] - 7:5,
7:24, 50:16, 94:11,
104:13, 115:6,
128:6, 134:17,
168:20, 170:9,
209:11, 233:7
proceeded [1] - 16:7
proceeding [3] - 10:1,
43:8, 162:4
proceedings [3] 1:20, 254:6, 254:10
Proceedings [2] 1:24, 253:19
process [13] - 23:24,
54:24, 90:13,
107:13, 107:19,
136:4, 141:21,
149:11, 167:23,
217:6, 217:7, 237:8,
245:23

processing [1] 210:19


profess [1] - 165:20
Proffer [1] - 4:6
proffer [4] - 47:12,
131:17, 205:6,
247:24
proffered [1] - 204:1
prohibited [2] - 70:14,
123:1
proof [1] - 251:15
proper [5] - 50:4, 77:1,
78:18, 82:13, 252:25
properly [1] - 199:5
property [13] - 15:21,
20:12, 34:17, 34:21,
35:2, 35:11, 72:3,
72:24, 83:21, 91:8,
91:25, 161:4, 171:14
proportional [1] 174:2
proposal [1] - 253:10
propose [1] - 131:20
proposed [7] - 20:12,
237:2, 249:23,
250:9, 251:12,
253:11, 253:12
prosecute [1] - 106:4
prosecuting [3] 125:20, 126:1,
176:21
prosecution [6] 106:16, 176:18,
182:1, 188:9,
196:14, 253:4
prosecutor [2] 105:11, 168:7
prosecutors [2] 205:24, 206:20
protection [1] 173:20
Protection [1] 173:18
prove [4] - 113:1,
148:5, 251:15,
251:17
provide [2] - 172:11,
238:17
provided [8] - 18:19,
63:20, 80:18,
123:12, 146:23,
150:21, 196:15,
227:3
provides [4] - 119:25,
150:21, 215:6,
238:15
providing [1] - 229:12
proving [1] - 87:8
provision [1] - 174:10
provisional [3] -

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

154:11, 158:4,
242:24
provisionally [1] 154:8
provisions [1] - 253:5
prudent [3] - 186:4,
251:23, 252:4
public [23] - 45:25,
105:9, 105:25,
106:2, 106:3, 106:5,
109:5, 119:23,
120:15, 120:22,
120:25, 121:11,
128:15, 140:19,
141:8, 141:11,
143:13, 168:22,
211:17, 211:18,
217:4, 222:12,
222:14
Public [2] - 37:8, 38:2
publication [1] 132:19
published [1] - 250:25
pull [1] - 150:11
pulled [1] - 60:19
punishment [1] 195:12
purpose [13] - 31:23,
88:18, 89:9, 113:16,
114:20, 133:12,
142:6, 144:19,
160:21, 186:10,
187:6, 204:1
purposes [27] - 59:18,
64:12, 64:25, 65:15,
69:15, 81:6, 81:10,
82:13, 88:2, 115:3,
118:6, 135:11,
160:19, 160:22,
161:7, 161:13,
161:15, 164:11,
170:14, 175:24,
180:9, 180:10,
183:2, 195:19,
197:16, 213:14,
243:14
pursued [1] - 139:16
pursuing [1] - 222:21
purview [1] - 158:23
put [20] - 26:4, 26:18,
49:8, 56:8, 71:13,
107:7, 121:10,
121:21, 165:8,
172:16, 184:22,
192:9, 195:19,
196:21, 197:8,
201:10, 219:21,
225:18, 235:16,
248:10
puts [1] - 184:9

23

putting [1] - 183:25

Q
qualifications [1] 90:21
qualified [7] - 58:16,
77:12, 77:14, 77:15,
77:20, 77:24, 167:19
Quanah [7] - 165:18,
165:19, 166:2,
166:6, 187:4, 187:5,
187:9
quarter [1] - 20:18
quasi [1] - 186:2
questioned [2] 156:23, 157:1
questioning [1] 157:6
questionnaire [1] 55:3
questions [42] - 31:22,
43:19, 43:20, 49:13,
50:7, 92:2, 92:9,
98:15, 103:20,
108:4, 110:18,
122:23, 122:24,
126:12, 127:6,
137:3, 137:6,
137:25, 138:12,
138:19, 141:1,
145:14, 157:18,
180:14, 198:2,
203:23, 208:24,
212:13, 212:25,
213:1, 213:22,
228:16, 229:22,
231:8, 232:14,
232:21, 238:19,
241:13, 243:14,
243:18, 244:2, 247:3
quickly [1] - 85:7
quietly [1] - 8:13
quit [1] - 235:11
quite [4] - 67:7, 111:5,
111:6, 202:2
quote [8] - 59:3,
66:25, 79:9, 82:14,
84:18, 85:3, 188:23
quoted [2] - 75:19,
130:23
quotes [2] - 77:3,
131:23

R
races [1] - 150:19
raise [1] - 144:24
raised [4] - 24:1, 24:3,
44:19, 109:22

ran [1] - 97:15


RANDALL [3] - 3:15,
5:6, 128:7
Randall [3] - 128:2,
128:3, 128:13
ranges [1] - 203:14
rate [1] - 20:25
rather [3] - 172:12,
221:19, 222:20
re [1] - 61:23
re-mark [1] - 61:23
reach [2] - 93:14,
121:18
reached [9] - 55:4,
75:25, 250:18,
251:7, 251:10,
251:25, 252:1,
252:6, 252:7
reactions [1] - 249:13
read [49] - 29:15,
51:24, 52:1, 52:14,
53:9, 54:3, 54:6,
55:19, 55:22, 57:2,
57:6, 57:24, 57:25,
58:19, 59:13, 60:8,
60:14, 62:3, 63:1,
64:7, 68:1, 70:18,
78:6, 79:14, 82:9,
86:7, 87:23, 90:11,
107:17, 118:20,
121:18, 126:9,
133:5, 133:21,
156:4, 195:5, 195:8,
198:10, 220:11,
236:15, 241:2,
241:4, 241:19,
241:21, 241:23,
242:3, 242:4, 242:8
reading [10] - 53:13,
53:18, 53:22, 56:15,
58:2, 60:16, 70:20,
91:3, 199:2, 251:22
reads [2] - 62:18,
149:16
ready [10] - 7:5, 7:6,
7:7, 98:24, 127:16,
127:17, 127:18,
205:17, 225:19,
227:14
real [2] - 89:9, 136:2
realize [1] - 242:1
really [22] - 9:15,
46:19, 80:16, 86:18,
103:25, 118:15,
142:17, 149:1,
149:10, 160:24,
181:5, 187:9,
187:10, 187:15,
188:25, 190:18,
192:23, 203:15,

203:16, 231:10,
242:13, 247:9
reason [15] - 19:2,
19:20, 69:12, 79:7,
114:13, 126:20,
151:21, 169:4,
183:20, 186:10,
187:8, 187:12,
194:13, 203:20,
214:4
reasonable [21] 10:12, 70:22, 70:23,
71:1, 88:25, 89:3,
94:1, 250:14,
250:15, 250:16,
250:19, 251:8,
251:11, 251:21,
251:22, 251:23,
252:3, 252:7,
252:11, 253:1, 253:2
reasonableness [1] 86:2
reasonably [3] 252:5, 252:6, 253:2
reasoning [1] - 67:10
reasons [9] - 68:12,
93:10, 129:24,
178:2, 178:5,
221:11, 221:14,
248:10, 249:8
rebut [2] - 76:14,
86:24
rebuttable [1] - 76:8
rebutted [1] - 76:6
recalling [1] - 206:16
receive [2] - 106:11,
232:5
received [8] - 108:13,
117:18, 123:6,
151:16, 153:14,
178:13, 223:24,
230:20
receiving [2] - 155:16,
216:13
recently [3] - 76:10,
141:17, 191:24
recess [3] - 84:11,
127:15, 170:5
recognize [15] - 51:17,
57:16, 59:4, 60:25,
110:14, 111:14,
116:19, 130:16,
145:23, 151:10,
153:12, 155:7,
159:24, 212:3,
223:11
recollection [9] 108:9, 116:15,
124:1, 134:20,
179:20, 212:23,

213:9, 215:23,
224:16
recommend [1] 231:21
recommended [1] 201:9
record [24] - 7:17,
9:17, 10:7, 10:11,
37:13, 47:9, 62:8,
94:18, 113:16,
114:11, 128:12,
139:8, 203:23,
204:12, 205:7,
212:1, 217:18,
233:14, 248:11,
248:17, 248:19,
249:9, 249:20, 250:7
recorded [1] - 201:22
recording [4] 202:19, 204:9,
205:6, 248:3
records [7] - 25:21,
26:9, 32:17, 33:19,
38:10, 93:4, 109:1
Recross [10] - 3:6,
3:14, 3:20, 3:21,
3:24, 5:5, 5:13, 5:16,
5:22, 5:23
RECROSS [4] - 89:16,
126:17, 198:7,
232:15
recross [1] - 192:4
RECROSSEXAMINATION [4] 89:16, 126:17,
198:7, 232:15
red [1] - 40:5
Redirect [12] - 3:6,
3:7, 3:14, 3:19, 3:20,
3:23, 5:4, 5:5, 5:12,
5:15, 5:21, 5:22
REDIRECT [4] - 70:7,
125:18, 188:19,
230:3
reexamined [1] - 71:1
refer [14] - 9:19, 78:19,
106:8, 132:3,
134:10, 136:12,
136:18, 136:21,
137:24, 138:2,
160:7, 198:9,
230:16, 232:18
reference [3] - 88:13,
134:22, 253:1
references [3] - 74:20,
87:2, 224:9
referrals [1] - 78:17
referred [4] - 70:18,
106:10, 119:14,
159:17

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

referring [2] - 119:1,


224:10
refers [4] - 81:18,
132:4, 197:14,
231:23
reflect [1] - 254:10
reflection [1] - 171:5
reflects [1] - 180:6
refresh [1] - 134:19
refreshed [1] - 144:13
regard [8] - 74:16,
123:5, 179:16,
182:6, 205:25,
209:24, 215:1,
222:11
regarding [12] - 81:21,
81:23, 88:8, 135:1,
144:20, 153:1,
156:18, 156:22,
171:16, 197:6,
212:24, 224:15
regards [1] - 130:8
register [20] - 11:7,
11:9, 13:1, 18:16,
54:7, 55:15, 82:2,
140:4, 172:11,
173:17, 175:13,
179:13, 179:21,
188:22, 199:14,
213:2, 213:18,
213:20, 221:1,
228:24
registered [50] 12:24, 13:2, 28:18,
28:20, 30:22, 31:6,
32:21, 52:2, 58:18,
63:11, 69:7, 69:17,
69:24, 73:4, 73:19,
93:5, 96:4, 108:15,
109:17, 115:10,
115:14, 115:16,
115:18, 115:21,
117:16, 117:19,
117:21, 118:17,
154:6, 154:23,
154:24, 154:25,
164:16, 164:25,
167:13, 167:15,
167:19, 178:11,
183:8, 214:16,
214:22, 217:8,
217:10, 218:19,
219:22, 219:25,
227:2, 228:2, 228:18
registering [17] 48:23, 70:14, 70:20,
99:4, 100:2, 118:20,
179:14, 180:4,
189:14, 191:25,
212:25, 220:16,

24

222:1, 227:21,
228:4, 228:9, 229:4
registers [1] - 87:25
registrar [23] - 55:2,
55:11, 154:8,
154:20, 154:21,
157:23, 166:19,
166:24, 167:8,
167:13, 167:14,
167:16, 168:19,
172:15, 172:25,
178:9, 178:13,
199:11, 210:1,
210:7, 213:23,
219:9, 245:16
registrar's [1] - 116:4
registrars [2] - 78:22,
169:20
registration [84] 11:18, 13:8, 21:19,
21:21, 28:12, 28:16,
28:24, 30:8, 36:13,
41:6, 41:8, 42:15,
44:3, 53:14, 53:19,
54:24, 55:4, 58:4,
68:1, 68:19, 69:24,
77:2, 78:22, 79:1,
79:12, 90:2, 90:13,
91:4, 93:15, 108:17,
108:24, 109:22,
118:11, 118:14,
140:20, 145:15,
152:17, 152:20,
153:14, 153:21,
154:3, 154:15,
154:16, 155:1,
155:4, 162:9,
164:11, 165:2,
165:9, 165:19,
166:19, 166:25,
167:15, 167:24,
168:9, 172:13,
172:25, 175:17,
177:19, 178:7,
178:11, 181:23,
184:6, 195:1,
196:25, 197:9,
210:17, 210:20,
210:21, 212:5,
213:1, 215:8,
216:19, 219:17,
221:3, 229:3,
229:10, 229:18,
231:1, 234:15,
234:21, 237:17,
242:20
registrations [5] 36:11, 111:1,
210:23, 213:22,
235:1

registry [1] - 55:1


regular [2] - 111:2,
111:6
regularly [2] - 179:13,
251:1
regulatory [2] 142:17, 186:2
rehearsed [3] - 9:22,
9:23, 9:24
reigns [1] - 81:2
reiterated [2] - 58:21,
158:3
rejected [1] - 247:25
related [7] - 14:2,
49:14, 60:19, 73:8,
130:5, 133:16, 162:4
relating [1] - 145:6
relations [1] - 129:16
relationship [3] 12:10, 114:2, 143:2
relatively [1] - 46:2
relayed [1] - 46:23
released [4] - 103:21,
208:25, 209:1, 209:3
relevance [27] - 47:5,
53:16, 112:23,
112:25, 114:8,
131:2, 131:15,
175:9, 189:9,
189:16, 189:18,
190:25, 191:3,
202:5, 215:21,
216:7, 216:11,
224:17, 226:20,
230:11, 235:8,
235:13, 238:10,
248:6, 248:7, 248:8
relevancy [2] - 147:13,
176:1
relevant [21] - 46:22,
47:16, 48:15, 50:1,
50:2, 114:22,
131:15, 131:16,
131:21, 132:23,
132:24, 135:8,
176:9, 189:10,
202:21, 202:24,
202:25, 204:18,
204:21, 208:17,
243:23
reliance [4] - 78:9,
250:15, 251:21,
251:23
relied [6] - 57:11,
65:6, 65:7, 68:15,
251:25, 252:5
rely [15] - 56:3, 79:4,
89:3, 119:24, 120:2,
120:23, 121:1,
121:5, 121:18,

124:18, 137:12,
142:14, 142:25,
159:1
relying [2] - 90:3,
90:10
remember [63] 10:12, 22:14, 25:2,
46:8, 56:14, 56:24,
57:1, 57:5, 59:9,
59:10, 61:1, 66:23,
91:3, 91:5, 108:23,
111:8, 113:9,
123:23, 135:23,
138:5, 140:4,
143:11, 144:16,
158:2, 160:4, 169:3,
173:24, 175:5,
176:8, 182:3, 185:9,
189:1, 205:25,
206:2, 212:9, 213:4,
213:9, 213:15,
213:16, 214:12,
214:18, 214:19,
214:22, 214:23,
215:19, 215:22,
216:17, 217:3,
220:18, 220:22,
220:23, 220:24,
221:2, 222:4, 222:9,
227:25, 229:6,
229:8, 229:15,
230:20, 247:18
reminded [1] - 189:3
remove [1] - 91:24
removed [1] - 193:25
rendering [1] - 238:16
repeat [2] - 69:13,
246:20
rephrase [5] - 26:3,
193:2, 207:19,
226:25, 241:22
report [8] - 241:2,
241:4, 241:23,
242:3, 242:4, 242:8
reported [2] - 1:24,
254:7
reporter [4] - 134:24,
135:4, 135:16,
241:11
Reporter [7] - 115:25,
158:13, 193:11,
211:25, 216:24,
248:17, 254:3
REPORTER [1] 63:16
reporters [4] - 130:2,
130:3, 135:13,
136:17
represent [2] - 113:17,
113:19

representation [4] 19:1, 93:9, 149:2,


246:11
representations [1] 49:4
representative [1] 114:17
representatives [1] 205:24
represented [1] 142:19
representing [1] 108:14
Republican [3] - 97:5,
98:3, 237:23
reputation [1] 205:12
request [4] - 107:9,
211:17, 218:3,
222:14
requested [4] 107:12, 107:21,
107:22, 121:7
requests [2] - 217:4,
222:16
require [4] - 55:2,
55:9, 88:17, 221:5
required [12] - 19:6,
51:6, 54:23, 55:3,
55:15, 58:24, 88:10,
88:21, 90:12,
177:20, 178:2,
219:16
requirement [4] 50:24, 55:17, 58:25,
59:2
requirements [3] 77:15, 125:25,
160:16
research [5] - 64:14,
91:13, 99:24,
154:21, 237:25
researched [1] 237:15
researching [1] 68:20
reserve [1] - 249:9
reside [10] - 89:10,
165:4, 165:5, 172:5,
209:16, 214:24,
229:2, 242:22,
245:20, 245:24
Residence [60] - 18:1,
18:3, 18:9, 18:11,
20:9, 21:2, 21:4,
21:13, 21:22, 22:6,
22:7, 22:12, 23:2,
24:11, 24:20, 25:21,
30:2, 31:4, 32:3,
32:10, 32:12, 32:17,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

35:14, 38:22, 42:16,


62:19, 63:14, 63:17,
65:1, 66:18, 69:11,
69:16, 69:18, 72:10,
72:13, 72:17, 72:22,
72:25, 73:4, 73:13,
73:20, 74:24, 83:15,
93:5, 103:9, 188:23,
189:15, 190:7,
190:24, 192:1,
192:13, 225:19,
226:12, 226:14,
226:19, 227:22,
229:4, 239:2,
244:11, 244:14
residence [171] 18:17, 50:24, 54:14,
55:6, 55:7, 55:10,
58:14, 59:18, 60:4,
60:6, 60:7, 60:22,
61:1, 61:7, 63:11,
63:24, 63:25, 64:5,
64:12, 64:25, 65:15,
69:8, 69:15, 75:16,
75:21, 76:2, 76:4,
76:21, 77:8, 78:2,
79:9, 79:13, 80:16,
81:4, 81:9, 84:19,
85:20, 86:5, 86:12,
86:13, 88:1, 88:11,
88:15, 88:16, 88:17,
89:5, 90:19, 90:23,
91:7, 91:14, 91:16,
93:25, 101:12,
158:8, 158:9,
158:11, 158:16,
158:17, 159:14,
159:19, 160:6,
160:10, 160:12,
160:13, 160:18,
160:21, 160:22,
161:7, 161:11,
161:12, 161:14,
161:17, 161:19,
161:20, 161:21,
162:2, 162:4, 162:7,
163:15, 163:16,
163:21, 164:3,
164:12, 164:16,
164:20, 164:23,
164:24, 165:8,
165:13, 165:20,
165:23, 166:10,
166:17, 167:10,
167:11, 167:22,
168:5, 169:6, 169:8,
170:13, 170:25,
171:4, 171:7,
171:11, 171:12,
171:16, 171:19,
172:1, 172:12,

25

172:14, 172:18,
172:20, 173:13,
174:6, 175:25,
177:20, 178:18,
178:22, 180:5,
180:7, 180:8, 181:4,
181:7, 181:8,
182:20, 182:23,
183:5, 183:15,
183:16, 184:1,
184:8, 184:15,
184:17, 184:22,
185:12, 185:19,
185:21, 186:13,
187:12, 187:22,
192:17, 193:15,
193:23, 194:6,
195:18, 196:10,
196:17, 196:24,
197:12, 197:13,
197:14, 198:10,
198:12, 199:7,
199:9, 199:18,
200:7, 200:16,
213:13, 214:8,
228:19, 232:18,
236:21, 237:18,
238:6, 242:11,
245:20
residences [4] 36:16, 158:6,
209:19, 221:12
residency [47] - 50:25,
51:6, 54:18, 56:7,
58:24, 58:25, 77:2,
77:3, 82:13, 86:10,
125:23, 125:25,
126:20, 126:22,
132:8, 135:11,
135:14, 145:14,
160:9, 160:16,
168:23, 180:22,
180:25, 212:19,
213:24, 213:25,
215:2, 215:5,
215:10, 216:9,
221:5, 221:20,
223:14, 223:21,
224:15, 224:18,
224:25, 228:16,
229:19, 230:9,
230:17, 239:18,
245:13, 245:16,
245:17, 245:18,
246:14
resident [8] - 17:6,
17:12, 32:14, 77:14,
158:24, 183:2, 195:9
residential [2] - 72:7,
171:17

residents [3] - 79:3,


192:18, 221:1
resides [1] - 60:3
resolve [1] - 167:6
respect [3] - 82:1,
191:15, 208:9
respective [1] 254:11
respond [6] - 156:23,
156:25, 167:19,
168:1, 168:2, 213:20
responded [4] 146:24, 150:14,
185:10, 202:10
response [10] - 146:7,
147:15, 148:18,
187:10, 221:25,
224:19, 225:3,
235:15, 249:5, 249:9
responsibility [6] 106:21, 106:24,
141:14, 142:8,
142:21, 159:13
responsible [1] 105:24
rest [4] - 169:19,
198:11, 247:10,
249:9
restated [1] - 242:2
restriction [1] - 194:19
rests [2] - 92:16, 92:17
rests..........................
.................... [1] - 3:8
result [7] - 24:3, 24:7,
32:1, 32:5, 167:16,
168:15, 196:13
retire [1] - 233:22
retired [2] - 209:21,
233:21
retirees [1] - 169:16
Retirement [1] 139:24
retrospect [1] - 202:4
return [15] - 23:2,
23:13, 23:16, 23:17,
23:21, 24:8, 38:22,
62:20, 71:11, 90:24,
158:20, 178:23,
186:15, 187:24,
194:11
returned [6] - 24:10,
35:16, 80:12, 80:13,
80:14, 102:2
returning [3] - 24:20,
54:20, 81:16
returns [3] - 84:12,
127:21, 170:6
review [14] - 52:7,
54:11, 58:7, 61:15,
112:19, 117:9,

119:11, 121:8,
123:11, 147:4,
152:23, 155:23,
224:4, 250:13
reviewed [6] - 86:4,
86:11, 91:1, 108:20,
109:3, 109:14
Revolutionary [1] 19:2
Richard [2] - 17:3,
25:1
ride [1] - 102:1
rights [5] - 51:1, 82:1,
82:3, 173:25, 174:4
ring [1] - 135:3
risk [2] - 186:6, 188:8
Road [4] - 11:14,
108:14, 151:24,
217:22
road [31] - 12:14,
14:11, 15:4, 15:13,
15:14, 17:6, 18:24,
19:3, 19:8, 19:19,
20:7, 20:12, 20:17,
20:19, 20:25, 21:1,
21:3, 46:7, 108:15,
109:2, 152:18,
154:4, 210:25,
218:2, 235:6,
235:22, 235:24,
236:3, 236:14, 244:6
rob [2] - 122:19, 144:2
Robert [2] - 37:9,
44:16
Roberta [4] - 73:8,
234:8, 234:22
role [4] - 157:23,
186:3, 242:10,
242:25
roll [1] - 25:7
rolls [1] - 231:1
room [30] - 21:6, 21:7,
26:2, 26:4, 26:8,
26:12, 26:14, 26:16,
26:17, 26:18, 26:21,
26:22, 26:25, 27:15,
31:11, 31:14, 32:17,
32:21, 32:23, 33:8,
33:14, 33:15, 33:21,
33:22, 34:9, 84:10,
127:14, 170:4,
247:22
roommate's [1] 94:25
rooms [2] - 33:1,
33:20
route [1] - 198:14
routine [1] - 52:19
routinely [1] - 137:24
RUD [48] - 17:12,

17:16, 17:18, 17:19,


18:6, 18:9, 45:21,
45:23, 46:1, 46:10,
48:10, 48:16, 49:11,
49:22, 49:25, 69:25,
89:12, 93:7, 97:20,
99:4, 108:2, 117:21,
147:21, 150:15,
151:6, 153:1,
153:15, 156:11,
190:7, 190:13,
192:17, 192:19,
201:2, 202:23,
208:9, 210:25,
211:6, 217:2, 218:9,
218:10, 218:24,
220:12, 220:17,
223:3, 227:3, 227:4,
227:22
rule [9] - 103:22,
103:23, 104:4,
123:2, 125:23,
134:8, 134:9, 134:15
ruled [1] - 86:9
Rules [1] - 150:2
rules [13] - 56:20,
63:15, 63:18, 80:17,
122:23, 142:23,
148:6, 149:15,
149:16, 150:3,
150:5, 151:5, 243:10
ruling [2] - 50:14,
205:4
rulings [1] - 159:15
run [15] - 16:4, 16:19,
16:22, 16:25, 17:5,
17:6, 17:17, 97:12,
97:14, 140:24,
160:16, 162:22,
174:8, 204:18,
217:22
rung [1] - 189:20
running [3] - 103:1,
105:23, 150:24
runoff [3] - 14:21,
14:24, 218:22
rural [2] - 29:18,
198:14
RV [9] - 83:2, 126:25,
173:2, 173:3, 173:5,
173:9, 173:10,
173:16, 200:17
RVer [2] - 173:4, 174:5
RVers [3] - 169:17,
172:22, 173:6

S
Safety [2] - 37:8, 38:2
sale [2] - 183:23,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

183:24
sales [6] - 20:15,
20:19, 20:22, 20:23,
96:12, 96:14
salutation [1] - 117:3
samples [1] - 203:14
San [2] - 165:25,
209:17
sanctions [1] - 176:2
satisfy [1] - 77:15
Saturday [4] - 22:5,
26:11, 101:13,
151:14
Saturdays [2] 101:24, 101:25
saw [6] - 38:10, 72:14,
100:24, 227:9,
230:21, 240:6
SBN [3] - 2:8, 2:13,
2:17
scales [1] - 78:7
scattered [1] - 119:9
scenario [2] - 99:21,
166:7
scene [1] - 204:18
schedule [1] - 168:21
scheme [2] - 9:8,
239:11
school [4] - 44:22,
44:25, 96:6, 105:7
School [1] - 105:4
schooled [3] - 44:23,
45:4, 93:13
science [1] - 139:13
scope [2] - 185:16,
203:16
Scott [1] - 254:14
screen [4] - 59:14,
63:20, 82:7, 202:17
sealed [1] - 154:19
seat [6] - 7:23, 94:10,
139:2, 150:24,
209:10, 233:5
seated [6] - 7:16, 7:17,
84:14, 127:23,
127:25, 170:8
second [11] - 17:14,
28:9, 28:20, 30:9,
56:14, 83:21,
143:10, 166:1,
174:22, 205:16,
243:20
Secretary [109] - 6:4,
51:8, 51:20, 57:25,
58:22, 59:6, 63:5,
63:9, 70:9, 71:4,
74:19, 75:22, 76:19,
77:6, 77:13, 78:5,
78:6, 78:11, 78:16,
79:4, 79:5, 84:1,

26

84:18, 87:16, 89:3,


89:18, 93:17, 106:9,
106:14, 106:17,
107:11, 107:16,
107:17, 107:21,
107:22, 109:18,
118:22, 119:15,
119:20, 120:5,
120:7, 120:16,
125:24, 126:6,
126:8, 128:20,
128:21, 129:6,
129:10, 129:11,
129:16, 129:19,
129:20, 129:25,
130:3, 130:5, 130:6,
132:1, 135:14,
135:25, 136:2,
137:19, 139:25,
140:8, 140:9, 141:4,
141:13, 141:14,
141:25, 142:8,
142:12, 142:20,
143:3, 143:6, 143:8,
146:6, 146:16,
147:6, 147:23,
155:19, 155:25,
159:16, 159:18,
169:9, 172:2,
177:16, 181:3,
185:13, 186:1,
196:8, 198:2, 199:8,
205:18, 213:3,
213:7, 213:18,
215:6, 215:12,
224:14, 224:25,
230:24, 231:4,
231:22, 232:4,
239:17, 240:17,
242:6, 245:15
section [5] - 59:11,
62:18, 87:24, 138:9,
138:11
Section [4] - 6:5, 61:7,
76:21, 158:12
sections [1] - 136:18
see [34] - 12:4, 25:9,
39:22, 40:5, 57:4,
59:14, 59:18, 61:19,
62:14, 71:3, 72:8,
72:13, 73:17, 76:4,
77:6, 82:6, 85:10,
104:10, 123:13,
140:20, 152:10,
157:8, 159:14,
163:6, 177:21,
181:24, 188:24,
200:8, 203:4, 203:7,
219:2, 222:19, 223:9
seek [1] - 133:21

seem [2] - 41:15,


173:12
selecting [1] - 237:17
selective [3] - 103:14,
125:7, 182:14
self [1] - 70:3
self-serving [1] - 70:3
selling [1] - 21:9
Seminole [1] - 163:10
send [11] - 108:22,
120:16, 167:17,
199:14, 213:17,
213:23, 214:4,
219:13, 227:2,
229:21, 230:18
sending [5] - 117:20,
121:16, 147:24,
155:15, 210:20
sense [9] - 142:12,
158:19, 159:4,
160:17, 172:6,
172:8, 172:20, 173:8
sent [23] - 52:17, 53:5,
109:25, 110:3,
115:15, 115:16,
116:13, 116:20,
117:16, 122:3,
123:18, 126:9,
146:5, 146:8, 149:5,
149:8, 151:12,
151:22, 155:10,
220:11, 227:6, 227:7
sentence [13] - 71:6,
77:22, 81:21, 81:22,
82:9, 86:7, 90:3,
91:3, 91:5, 164:5,
194:9, 251:9, 253:7
sentences [2] - 8:12,
8:14
separate [1] - 161:11
September [1] - 210:4
sequestration [1] 134:9
series [2] - 147:10,
154:13
serious [1] - 113:24
serve [1] - 142:3
serves [2] - 154:25,
159:5
services [2] - 20:2,
140:14
serving [2] - 70:3,
230:5
set [5] - 39:6, 70:10,
90:23, 164:15, 165:8
setting [2] - 76:17,
200:5
settle [1] - 169:7
settled [1] - 35:14
seven [3] - 12:1, 71:6,

82:24
seven-page [1] - 71:6
several [5] - 86:18,
108:14, 115:17,
132:20, 135:13
sexism [1] - 171:5
sexual [1] - 105:9
shakes [1] - 98:8
shall [4] - 63:14,
63:17, 80:16, 228:23
ship [1] - 106:14
shirt [2] - 39:13, 39:24
shoehorn [1] - 173:5
shop [3] - 19:6, 19:8,
19:20
shops [1] - 19:5
short [3] - 134:10,
163:1, 163:9
Shorthand [1] - 254:3
shorthand [1] - 1:24
show [44] - 7:17,
46:25, 47:16, 47:25,
48:22, 48:24, 50:2,
51:16, 57:15, 61:5,
67:16, 86:23, 99:20,
110:13, 111:12,
113:1, 116:2,
116:18, 130:13,
133:4, 145:21,
147:20, 148:2,
148:21, 149:5,
149:10, 151:8,
153:6, 153:10,
155:6, 159:23,
175:11, 175:12,
176:12, 190:19,
193:13, 204:3,
212:1, 223:7, 225:1,
234:11, 236:9,
250:17, 251:6
showed [5] - 38:11,
60:25, 154:17,
158:3, 199:6
showing [17] - 25:3,
32:16, 37:6, 39:5,
46:18, 46:19, 48:2,
69:7, 72:6, 109:1,
133:12, 155:24,
199:7, 212:7, 219:7,
224:23, 251:9
shows [6] - 27:8,
27:12, 27:18, 27:19,
49:4, 77:20
side [1] - 181:6
sidebar [1] - 208:3
sides [1] - 200:5
sign [4] - 25:7, 181:21,
184:22, 200:23
signature [7] - 25:9,
29:5, 219:8, 219:10,

234:17, 234:18,
234:23
signed [7] - 21:21,
29:4, 29:7, 29:9,
29:11, 86:1, 186:16
significance [2] 105:15, 119:20
significant [2] - 38:1,
80:6
significantly [1] 19:24
signing [3] - 195:6,
196:4, 196:12
signs [1] - 184:9
similar [3] - 120:12,
143:4, 153:2
simply [1] - 157:6
sincere [3] - 183:14,
201:11, 201:12
sincerity [1] - 167:1
single [3] - 21:22,
42:13, 161:15
sister [2] - 44:17, 45:3
sisters [1] - 10:22
sit [2] - 70:25, 88:24
sitting [4] - 12:8, 12:9,
237:8, 247:10
situation [4] - 16:15,
41:19, 67:11, 74:20
six [4] - 38:4, 139:23,
200:10, 234:4
Six [12] - 29:12, 29:14,
29:20, 29:23, 38:7,
184:7, 184:9,
198:15, 220:21,
222:1, 231:14, 235:1
Sixteen [1] - 33:5
sleep [1] - 23:5
sleeping [1] - 93:2
slept [1] - 171:2
small [1] - 223:9
smiling [1] - 41:2
Smith [2] - 109:8,
200:10
sneaky [1] - 239:11
snow [2] - 87:7, 87:9
snowbird [3] - 87:3,
87:5, 87:12
snowbirds [7] - 89:2,
90:17, 126:24,
169:16, 169:21,
170:16, 200:17
so-called [1] - 169:16
soldiers [4] - 87:2,
89:1, 126:24, 200:18
solely [1] - 186:9
solicited [1] - 189:24
someone [23] - 13:15,
13:19, 17:5, 23:9,
47:20, 75:10, 86:22,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

87:11, 87:12, 88:10,


133:2, 147:16,
158:24, 171:2,
172:4, 181:4, 182:6,
198:19, 201:9,
213:7, 214:2,
219:22, 241:18
someplace [1] 184:17
sometime [8] - 14:25,
15:6, 23:12, 23:19,
28:23, 67:7, 145:5,
174:25
sometimes [16] 42:24, 101:25,
103:18, 121:14,
125:8, 143:15,
143:19, 160:18,
162:18, 162:22,
165:10, 181:22,
182:13, 204:17,
221:16, 231:23
somewhat [3] - 39:7,
125:15, 221:24
somewhere [17] 8:16, 19:19, 38:12,
48:4, 54:20, 83:21,
172:4, 172:5,
182:10, 182:18,
182:22, 185:5,
198:20, 215:10,
245:21, 246:3, 246:5
son [2] - 95:17, 95:24
soon [1] - 151:4
sorry [8] - 13:18,
44:11, 66:20, 94:17,
97:23, 228:25,
237:5, 242:21
sort [16] - 50:25,
77:16, 94:21,
106:12, 143:24,
152:1, 158:15,
162:3, 163:20,
173:8, 178:8,
181:15, 190:15,
213:10, 215:4, 238:5
sorts [1] - 140:10
SOS [1] - 131:19
sound [7] - 27:9,
37:18, 62:22, 80:6,
103:11, 124:3,
186:17
sounded [1] - 143:23
sounds [7] - 123:22,
123:25, 151:17,
203:12, 253:14,
253:16
source [4] - 251:22,
251:23, 251:25,
252:5

27

Southern [1] - 139:12


Southwest [1] 128:24
speaking [2] - 235:11,
248:13
special [4] - 90:18,
214:18, 214:19,
220:24
specialist [1] - 105:9
specific [22] - 23:20,
24:7, 60:10, 74:14,
75:13, 85:15, 88:9,
126:21, 132:20,
135:2, 135:16,
136:16, 136:22,
136:23, 137:10,
137:25, 138:12,
164:6, 165:11,
174:20
specifically [14] 23:3, 61:1, 76:20,
91:5, 112:3, 116:21,
135:1, 135:15,
158:2, 160:5, 175:5,
181:11, 182:7,
214:23
specifics [2] - 169:4,
189:1
specifies [2] - 141:4,
141:12
speculation [3] - 47:6,
207:3, 208:18
speeches [1] - 129:20
spelled [1] - 139:9
spend [7] - 68:20,
101:13, 101:15,
101:22, 101:23,
140:22, 162:18
spent [2] - 246:18,
246:24
split [6] - 82:14, 83:10,
83:13, 83:16, 83:18,
87:14
splotches [1] - 61:6
spoken [1] - 213:7
spokesman [1] 131:19
spokesperson [2] 130:2, 130:23
spot [3] - 172:15,
173:8, 186:16
spouse [1] - 161:10
spouses [1] - 161:9
spring [1] - 14:19
staff [3] - 140:12,
140:16, 228:2
stamped [1] - 250:6
stand [1] - 47:5
standard [2] - 54:25,
75:8

start [4] - 22:4, 66:17,


108:10, 249:22
started [11] - 19:2,
48:6, 131:6, 131:22,
131:24, 131:25,
132:6, 133:13,
140:3, 217:19,
233:24
starting [2] - 86:8,
128:21
starts [1] - 90:9
STATE [4] - 1:3, 2:2,
3:3, 254:1
state [46] - 9:16,
46:19, 46:21, 46:25,
47:7, 47:16, 48:24,
55:15, 63:19, 80:18,
82:1, 82:5, 92:16,
99:20, 104:19,
106:20, 128:11,
130:4, 137:8, 139:7,
139:22, 140:10,
141:9, 141:14,
142:16, 148:2,
148:21, 148:24,
148:25, 149:2,
149:11, 150:21,
153:25, 174:9,
175:12, 177:20,
197:6, 200:14,
219:15, 219:21,
225:1, 225:5,
233:13, 236:10,
246:14
State [63] - 3:8, 7:2,
7:19, 42:7, 42:10,
45:15, 51:8, 57:25,
58:22, 63:5, 70:9,
71:4, 71:5, 74:19,
75:23, 77:13, 78:6,
78:11, 79:5, 89:3,
89:18, 92:17,
107:11, 107:16,
107:17, 107:22,
119:1, 119:15,
120:5, 120:16,
125:24, 128:25,
139:25, 141:4,
141:13, 141:14,
142:19, 143:3,
147:8, 155:19,
157:5, 159:18,
174:8, 189:25,
199:9, 205:10,
205:25, 206:19,
213:3, 213:18,
215:6, 215:12,
219:16, 224:14,
224:25, 230:24,
231:4, 231:22,

232:4, 245:15, 254:4


State's [80] - 6:4, 7:4,
25:3, 25:20, 28:11,
32:16, 35:6, 35:18,
37:7, 39:5, 51:21,
59:6, 63:9, 72:6,
76:19, 77:7, 78:17,
79:4, 84:2, 84:18,
87:17, 93:17, 106:9,
106:15, 106:17,
107:21, 109:18,
118:23, 119:20,
120:8, 126:6, 126:8,
128:20, 128:21,
129:6, 129:10,
129:12, 129:17,
129:19, 129:25,
130:3, 130:5, 132:1,
135:14, 135:25,
136:3, 137:19,
140:8, 140:9,
141:25, 142:8,
142:12, 142:20,
143:6, 143:8, 146:6,
146:16, 147:6,
147:23, 155:25,
159:16, 169:10,
172:3, 177:17,
181:3, 184:5,
185:14, 186:1,
196:8, 198:2, 198:9,
205:18, 212:2,
213:7, 225:3,
234:12, 239:18,
240:17, 242:6, 248:5
statement [24] - 10:12,
55:5, 55:7, 55:10,
76:1, 88:3, 88:5,
92:21, 161:16,
162:1, 162:7, 165:3,
168:5, 168:9,
171:15, 176:22,
185:4, 189:5,
196:13, 208:3,
214:1, 214:2,
229:14, 239:16
STATEMENT [1] 92:23
statement's [1] 149:24
statements [14] 10:14, 49:9, 76:3,
78:25, 147:9, 150:6,
153:4, 157:7, 165:1,
185:15, 195:5,
195:9, 195:18, 201:1
States [5] - 58:17,
82:11, 83:6, 167:2,
173:19
states [2] - 186:19,

195:2
statewide [2] - 219:16,
219:18
station [1] - 96:13
statute [12] - 77:20,
78:15, 78:16,
106:21, 106:23,
121:21, 121:24,
164:12, 186:21,
186:24, 197:16,
251:1
statutory [5] - 141:6,
142:10, 178:8,
197:10, 197:12
stay [22] - 26:13,
26:22, 26:25, 27:16,
32:9, 33:7, 33:12,
33:25, 34:3, 38:23,
68:4, 68:8, 68:16,
72:15, 89:4, 104:1,
166:11, 188:1,
194:20, 244:11,
244:13, 245:6
stayed [26] - 21:13,
21:22, 26:2, 26:12,
26:17, 26:18, 26:21,
27:12, 27:23, 28:9,
29:12, 30:1, 31:14,
32:6, 32:13, 32:23,
33:9, 33:11, 33:15,
41:23, 66:2, 67:7,
70:21, 166:6, 183:4,
184:11
staying [7] - 66:5,
66:17, 69:10, 94:25,
185:7, 185:8, 185:11
step [2] - 199:8,
241:15
steps [3] - 47:25, 50:3,
147:20
stereotypical [1] 171:25
Steve [3] - 134:25,
135:3, 135:17
Stevens [1] - 1:22
Stevenson [1] - 109:8
stick [1] - 197:12
still [15] - 10:13,
53:24, 71:14, 77:23,
114:8, 114:22,
146:25, 154:18,
164:22, 187:18,
191:25, 194:8,
213:18, 213:20,
251:11
Stonecrest [1] - 74:3
Stony [2] - 74:8
stop [9] - 23:8, 101:8,
118:3, 122:16,
122:18, 122:19,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

148:5, 166:1, 226:3


stopgap [1] - 155:3
story [1] - 204:10
street [5] - 21:3,
29:17, 29:18,
198:12, 217:13
Street [1] - 2:16
stretch [1] - 170:1
strike [1] - 172:6
striking [1] - 88:21
strong [5] - 66:19,
66:21, 66:22,
171:14, 201:1
student [10] - 55:6,
55:8, 63:5, 76:2,
76:4, 82:16, 87:18,
87:25, 174:5
students [38] - 54:12,
54:16, 54:23, 54:25,
55:14, 55:16, 55:18,
63:10, 70:13, 74:20,
74:24, 75:7, 75:13,
76:22, 77:3, 82:1,
82:4, 82:10, 84:24,
85:7, 85:9, 85:10,
85:12, 85:21, 87:1,
87:20, 88:5, 89:1,
89:20, 89:24, 90:12,
90:17, 126:25,
170:19, 170:23,
200:17, 221:12
studied [1] - 51:24
studying [1] - 68:20
stuff [4] - 53:6, 67:17,
183:24, 202:13
styled [1] - 254:6
subdivision [2] 150:25, 151:2
subject [10] - 20:6,
110:23, 119:21,
147:11, 152:21,
175:10, 176:2,
176:18, 181:25,
223:21
submit [1] - 178:2
submitted [2] 165:18, 175:23
subpoenaed [1] 42:12
subsequent [2] 23:25, 64:2
subsequently [1] 19:16
substance [2] 157:20, 212:21
substantially [1] 44:1
substitute [1] - 61:21
successfully [1] 199:6

28

sued [1] - 174:9


suffice [3] - 60:5,
163:14, 206:15
sufficient [1] - 130:24
suggest [1] - 231:23
suggesting [1] 205:24
suggestion [1] 202:16
suit [1] - 12:9
sum [1] - 87:25
summarily [1] 166:19
summarize [2] 131:20, 161:25
summary [3] - 85:18,
85:19, 85:20
summer [2] - 80:13,
169:18
sums [1] - 143:23
Sunday [1] - 26:10
superceded [1] 238:17
supervising [1] 105:24
supervision [1] 195:13
supported [1] - 162:8
supportive [3] 113:25, 208:8,
208:11
supports [1] - 200:6
suppose [1] - 107:15
supposed [11] 113:17, 113:19,
131:21, 162:24,
176:15, 195:5,
197:18, 243:23,
246:16, 251:16
supposedly [1] 131:19
Supreme [4] - 56:4,
88:20, 163:11, 167:3
surface [1] - 76:12
surprise [1] - 112:4
surrounding [4] 59:22, 84:20, 85:3,
200:1
surviving [2] - 161:9,
161:10
suspect [1] - 245:25
suspense [2] 167:20, 168:2
suss [1] - 200:12
sustain [4] - 133:18,
203:21, 225:10,
248:9
sustained [46] - 70:5,
99:17, 99:23, 121:4,
122:21, 133:8,

134:6, 135:9, 148:4,


150:3, 150:4, 153:5,
153:8, 153:23,
154:1, 156:5,
161:24, 173:23,
174:12, 179:19,
180:16, 190:21,
191:1, 193:1,
194:24, 195:23,
206:5, 207:4,
207:11, 207:18,
208:21, 216:8,
216:12, 218:12,
224:7, 224:12,
225:16, 226:6,
226:25, 230:12,
236:7, 236:12,
236:25, 237:6,
238:21
sustaining [1] - 150:8
swag [1] - 102:18
sway [1] - 171:1
swear [3] - 181:19,
182:1, 182:17
swearing [3] - 195:4,
222:5, 229:13
switch [1] - 68:19
swore [1] - 165:1
sworn [17] - 7:22, 8:2,
94:8, 94:14, 104:11,
104:16, 128:4,
128:8, 138:25,
139:4, 162:8, 165:4,
196:16, 209:9,
209:13, 233:4,
233:10
Sybil [3] - 72:8, 234:6,
234:13
symbol [1] - 78:8
sympathetic [4] 206:25, 207:1,
208:8, 208:11
System [1] - 139:24
system [1] - 218:21

T
tabs [1] - 228:1
talks [9] - 85:9, 85:12,
85:20, 85:21, 87:1,
143:4, 177:18
tampering [1] - 124:8
Tape [1] - 6:10
Target [1] - 20:17
Tarrant [4] - 212:24,
216:2, 216:5, 216:10
tax [10] - 15:21, 20:6,
20:11, 20:12, 20:13,
20:15, 20:19, 20:22,
20:23, 21:4

taxation [2] - 19:1,


93:9
taxed [2] - 19:3, 79:6
taxes [2] - 160:21,
161:5
taxpayer [1] - 15:20
tea [1] - 19:22
Tea [3] - 14:16, 14:18,
44:5
Tech [1] - 75:10
technically [1] - 29:20
Tel [3] - 2:6, 2:11, 2:17
telegraphed [1] - 9:5
telephone [2] 132:10, 133:1
temporarily [1] 183:13
temporary [22] 37:24, 38:1, 62:21,
63:4, 63:7, 63:9,
63:13, 81:5, 81:7,
81:10, 88:11, 88:13,
88:17, 158:20,
178:23, 186:19,
186:21, 187:19,
187:20, 194:11,
194:15, 194:16
ten [16] - 16:7, 18:10,
24:12, 25:15, 32:3,
32:12, 34:14, 74:23,
84:8, 88:25, 93:4,
101:21, 155:1,
170:1, 206:17, 210:9
tend [1] - 185:17
tender [8] - 52:6,
112:18, 147:3,
152:23, 155:22,
203:24, 224:3,
248:16
tendered [1] - 62:11
tendering [3] - 58:6,
61:14, 117:8
tends [1] - 181:1
tens [2] - 164:14,
190:15
term [8] - 59:18, 61:1,
125:9, 125:13,
143:12, 195:12,
197:14
terms [6] - 20:5,
78:21, 126:19,
136:17, 136:20,
201:12
territory [3] - 77:14,
246:18, 246:23
test [2] - 47:19, 47:21
tested [2] - 249:18,
251:1
testified [15] - 8:2,
12:13, 51:21, 64:15,

81:14, 94:14,
104:16, 115:4,
128:8, 133:13,
133:24, 133:25,
139:4, 209:13,
233:10
testify [8] - 42:5, 42:7,
42:10, 43:11, 71:20,
93:22, 133:20, 205:9
testifying [3] - 147:17,
193:14, 223:18
testimony [11] - 8:12,
9:12, 10:8, 18:18,
113:13, 134:14,
181:20, 203:16,
243:15, 245:12
Texan [2] - 82:20,
87:13
Texans [2] - 82:10,
87:3
TEXAS [5] - 1:3, 1:5,
2:5, 2:10, 254:1
Texas [62] - 1:23, 2:6,
2:11, 2:16, 7:2,
11:12, 45:12, 45:15,
54:24, 55:2, 55:9,
55:15, 55:18, 56:3,
60:19, 71:5, 75:10,
76:22, 78:15, 81:25,
86:4, 86:9, 87:6,
87:18, 88:1, 90:13,
95:12, 95:13, 95:16,
96:14, 104:22,
105:4, 128:15,
128:24, 128:25,
132:16, 134:24,
135:2, 139:14,
140:17, 141:4,
150:2, 154:13,
163:11, 163:21,
164:14, 164:20,
165:18, 165:19,
166:6, 167:4,
169:17, 174:8,
178:10, 209:17,
209:18, 215:20,
233:16, 246:14,
254:4, 254:19,
254:20
that.. [1] - 16:9
THE [309] - 1:3, 2:2,
2:14, 3:3, 3:9, 6:3,
7:2, 7:8, 7:13, 7:16,
7:21, 7:23, 7:25,
8:20, 9:1, 9:10, 9:20,
10:5, 10:11, 13:4,
13:6, 24:17, 47:3,
47:8, 47:12, 47:17,
48:3, 48:7, 48:11,
48:17, 48:21, 49:2,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

49:7, 49:17, 49:24,


50:11, 50:16, 51:15,
52:10, 53:18, 53:22,
54:2, 56:17, 58:10,
61:19, 61:22, 62:8,
62:11, 63:16, 70:5,
76:16, 84:3, 84:6,
84:14, 84:16, 89:15,
92:10, 92:12, 92:14,
92:17, 92:22, 94:5,
94:7, 94:9, 94:12,
98:4, 98:7, 98:15,
98:19, 98:25, 99:17,
99:23, 103:23,
104:3, 104:6, 104:8,
104:12, 104:14,
112:24, 113:1,
113:8, 113:12,
113:21, 114:10,
114:17, 114:20,
114:25, 115:3,
115:7, 117:12,
118:25, 119:3,
119:8, 121:4,
122:21, 124:17,
124:20, 124:22,
126:14, 126:16,
127:8, 127:10,
127:16, 127:19,
127:23, 128:3,
128:5, 130:12,
130:19, 131:4,
131:8, 131:12,
131:20, 131:24,
132:11, 133:3,
133:7, 133:15,
133:23, 134:8,
134:18, 135:9,
138:20, 138:22,
139:1, 143:10,
143:15, 144:19,
144:22, 145:20,
147:14, 148:1,
148:4, 148:18,
148:23, 149:12,
149:14, 150:1,
150:10, 152:14,
153:5, 153:8,
153:23, 154:1,
156:2, 156:4,
156:19, 157:8,
159:22, 161:24,
169:24, 170:8,
170:10, 170:17,
173:23, 174:12,
175:14, 175:16,
175:22, 176:12,
176:17, 176:23,
177:1, 177:5,
177:10, 177:12,
179:6, 179:19,

29

179:22, 180:1,
180:16, 186:18,
186:22, 186:25,
188:12, 189:12,
189:18, 189:22,
190:2, 190:10,
190:21, 191:1,
191:8, 191:11,
191:15, 191:22,
192:2, 192:4,
192:10, 193:1,
193:9, 193:12,
194:1, 194:3, 194:4,
194:10, 194:12,
194:13, 194:24,
195:23, 196:1,
201:16, 201:18,
202:7, 203:12,
203:21, 204:1,
204:13, 204:20,
204:24, 205:4,
205:6, 205:14,
205:23, 206:2,
206:4, 206:8,
206:11, 206:14,
206:22, 207:4,
207:11, 207:18,
207:21, 208:5,
208:19, 208:25,
209:3, 209:5, 209:6,
209:8, 209:10,
215:22, 216:8,
216:12, 218:12,
219:6, 220:6, 224:7,
224:12, 224:19,
225:6, 225:10,
225:13, 225:16,
225:22, 225:24,
226:6, 226:23,
226:25, 229:24,
230:2, 230:12,
232:22, 232:24,
233:3, 233:5, 233:8,
235:12, 235:15,
235:19, 236:7,
236:12, 236:25,
237:4, 237:6,
237:10, 237:13,
238:12, 239:15,
240:22, 241:10,
243:9, 243:19,
243:25, 244:3,
247:2, 247:5, 247:7,
247:9, 247:13,
247:23, 248:5,
248:8, 248:12,
248:15, 248:18,
249:4, 249:10,
249:14, 249:17,
250:1, 250:6, 250:8,
250:12, 250:23,

251:5, 251:14,
251:17, 251:20,
252:14, 252:18,
252:20, 252:23,
253:7, 253:13,
253:18, 254:1
themselves [1] 134:14
theory [1] - 87:8
they've [1] - 143:17
thinking [5] - 98:9,
125:12, 149:8,
172:21, 227:21
thinks [2] - 167:9,
173:4
third [3] - 68:25,
85:20, 219:14
thorough [1] - 184:5
thoroughly [1] - 57:24
thousand [2] - 75:11,
140:25
thousands [2] 164:14, 190:16
three [21] - 28:16,
32:22, 33:5, 52:15,
53:8, 58:20, 68:23,
71:2, 97:17, 102:21,
132:5, 146:7,
154:20, 195:5,
195:9, 195:18,
196:3, 196:4, 213:9,
234:1
throughout [2] 17:19, 103:5
throw [1] - 208:19
ticket [1] - 97:22
tight [1] - 118:15
timeframe [4] - 23:20,
24:8, 33:13, 212:12
tiny [1] - 80:8
title [1] - 138:10
titled [2] - 140:12,
160:1
TO [1] - 6:1
today [12] - 13:11,
19:24, 64:15, 70:25,
79:17, 88:24, 145:4,
188:13, 202:3,
202:15, 206:20,
247:8
together [4] - 25:15,
106:13, 109:9,
225:18
token [1] - 114:6
toll [1] - 141:5
toll-free [1] - 141:5
Tom [2] - 26:13, 26:16
tomorrow [1] - 253:15
tone [4] - 214:6,
214:7, 214:9

took [15] - 46:20,


47:25, 48:2, 50:3,
90:15, 108:3, 109:3,
123:23, 130:3,
236:11, 240:2,
250:21
top [6] - 30:18, 40:20,
46:3, 46:22, 59:13,
241:15
total [1] - 254:12
totally [3] - 187:11,
195:15, 217:12
touched [1] - 110:10
tough [1] - 186:12
tougher [1] - 75:7
toward [3] - 46:2,
48:19, 207:12
towards [1] - 87:17
town [1] - 209:2
traditionally [1] 169:20
traffic [1] - 23:8
trail [1] - 8:13
training [4] - 143:22,
215:6, 215:9, 215:13
transcript [1] - 53:23
transcription [4] 1:25, 254:5, 254:9,
254:13
transferred [1] - 96:15
transient [1] - 181:15
transients [1] - 179:12
travel [2] - 103:5,
103:7
traveling [3] - 82:10,
82:20, 89:2
travels [1] - 82:25
treated [1] - 142:18
treatment [1] - 90:15
TRIAL [1] - 1:13
trial [20] - 8:24, 9:13,
9:19, 10:1, 42:11,
53:17, 58:8, 98:14,
99:2, 100:25, 134:4,
174:25, 190:9,
190:17, 190:18,
199:23, 204:22,
205:17, 224:5,
248:25
tried [4] - 125:2,
125:4, 192:22,
216:18
triggered [2] - 133:9,
134:1
trips [2] - 103:5, 103:7
trouble [1] - 42:24
truckers [1] - 127:1
true [26] - 28:15,
43:14, 47:2, 47:6,
51:20, 75:6, 79:1,

125:21, 146:2,
149:6, 149:9,
149:22, 162:7,
162:20, 168:11,
168:25, 185:4,
185:18, 189:8,
196:16, 200:2,
200:4, 203:11,
205:13, 225:14,
254:5
trust [1] - 116:7
truth [17] - 46:18,
47:24, 99:19, 99:22,
147:19, 148:20,
149:3, 149:20,
165:1, 171:15,
181:19, 182:17,
184:14, 189:5,
201:4, 229:13, 236:8
truthful [2] - 47:22,
199:14
truthfulness [2] 149:1, 165:3
try [11] - 43:14, 60:17,
106:13, 116:17,
124:15, 161:14,
182:15, 188:7,
218:23, 219:2, 220:3
trying [20] - 47:25,
50:1, 59:11, 66:9,
118:16, 123:23,
131:18, 142:14,
148:5, 149:10,
161:13, 171:20,
176:7, 200:12,
213:12, 222:7,
228:7, 235:16,
243:21, 252:13
Tuesday [1] - 110:18
turn [5] - 31:7, 84:1,
170:24, 171:3,
243:14
turn-of-the-century
[1] - 170:24
turned [4] - 11:6, 11:7,
30:11, 249:6
turns [2] - 143:18,
163:3
twice [4] - 230:18,
250:16, 252:3, 252:8
two [40] - 27:22,
30:21, 31:3, 36:16,
52:15, 53:8, 55:12,
60:6, 63:6, 63:7,
63:11, 64:9, 64:10,
70:17, 80:2, 81:6,
85:18, 86:18, 87:14,
95:22, 102:22,
132:5, 146:17,
163:15, 163:25,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

164:3, 168:3,
171:25, 202:20,
208:16, 209:19,
210:21, 214:21,
218:20, 240:13,
240:14, 243:18
type [8] - 52:20, 96:10,
120:12, 139:19,
181:14, 199:23,
249:1
typed [3] - 29:15,
117:15, 198:15
typically [5] - 106:8,
106:15, 113:23,
136:15, 138:2
typos [1] - 154:14

U
U.S [1] - 195:10
ultimately [1] - 228:3
unclear [1] - 114:14
under [16] - 17:9,
46:18, 47:20, 67:13,
75:22, 77:23, 77:24,
78:16, 86:4, 88:10,
91:14, 122:23,
148:19, 150:7,
172:14, 188:22
underneath [1] 198:15
understood [1] 67:13
unemployed [2] 102:23, 103:3
unemployment [4] 204:10, 205:9,
205:20, 205:22
uniform [1] - 158:15
uniformity [1] - 142:9
unimproved [1] 171:13
United [5] - 58:17,
82:11, 83:6, 167:2,
173:19
university [1] - 74:25
University [8] - 75:11,
76:23, 85:8, 105:4,
128:25, 139:12,
139:14
unlike [2] - 142:16,
186:2
unnecessary [1] 68:11
unring [1] - 176:19
unusual [4] - 52:24,
160:14, 160:23,
171:10
up [66] - 15:24, 22:5,
30:18, 39:10, 39:15,

30

40:3, 40:4, 40:9,


46:6, 47:8, 51:4,
51:5, 56:19, 57:6,
59:4, 60:19, 60:22,
60:24, 61:9, 63:20,
65:11, 67:16, 68:9,
71:11, 71:15, 76:17,
89:14, 91:21, 96:13,
96:14, 101:25,
106:14, 107:3,
114:13, 117:15,
126:9, 133:23,
134:14, 137:4,
143:23, 152:3,
153:13, 154:14,
154:17, 155:3,
158:3, 162:3,
162:19, 165:22,
173:11, 173:12,
173:21, 176:4,
182:15, 182:16,
182:20, 183:21,
184:1, 186:16,
196:1, 196:21,
198:17, 206:13,
206:23, 211:8, 220:2
upcoming [5] - 45:22,
53:2, 108:5, 141:18,
168:21
uses [2] - 88:11,
196:17
Utility [4] - 11:14,
108:14, 151:25,
217:23
utility [23] - 12:14,
14:11, 15:4, 15:13,
15:15, 17:6, 18:24,
19:3, 19:9, 19:19,
20:7, 20:12, 20:17,
20:19, 20:25, 21:1,
21:3, 46:7, 49:11,
108:16, 109:2,
117:21, 210:25

V
vacancy [1] - 16:3
vacation [2] - 83:22,
94:25
vague [4] - 125:25,
126:5, 126:7, 221:24
vagueness [2] 126:19, 178:19
valuable [1] - 36:19
value [2] - 215:11,
246:8
various [1] - 211:16
verbally [1] - 98:21
verbatim [1] - 79:9
verdict [1] - 9:6

verify [3] - 47:21,


60:17, 167:21
versus [5] - 7:3, 52:8,
160:24, 163:10,
163:19
view [2] - 165:16,
200:6
View [9] - 70:13,
74:21, 76:23, 85:7,
85:13, 170:20,
170:23, 174:8,
174:16
violate [1] - 193:4
violation [3] - 108:16,
124:13, 126:2
Virginia [1] - 105:2
visit [1] - 244:14
vocal [1] - 249:12
Voir [4] - 3:18, 4:4,
5:9, 5:20
voir [6] - 144:18,
156:18, 240:21,
243:10, 243:12,
243:13
VOIR [2] - 156:20,
240:23
Volition [1] - 60:1
vote [109] - 11:7, 11:9,
11:12, 11:14, 11:17,
12:19, 12:24, 13:1,
13:2, 18:17, 22:9,
25:15, 30:13, 30:15,
30:21, 30:22, 31:9,
48:8, 48:19, 49:21,
50:23, 53:14, 53:20,
54:17, 54:19, 55:15,
55:16, 55:17, 58:4,
58:25, 60:18, 60:20,
63:6, 63:11, 63:12,
65:15, 68:24, 69:17,
70:14, 70:21, 73:4,
73:17, 75:12, 75:13,
77:8, 82:2, 87:25,
88:22, 89:4, 89:12,
97:5, 100:2, 108:15,
109:17, 112:16,
113:4, 115:10,
117:21, 118:18,
122:1, 122:5,
124:13, 154:6,
154:7, 154:11,
154:17, 154:23,
154:24, 154:25,
164:16, 164:25,
167:21, 172:11,
173:17, 174:2,
175:4, 175:13,
176:11, 176:16,
178:3, 178:11,
179:11, 179:13,

179:14, 183:8,
185:7, 187:9, 188:1,
195:17, 199:14,
203:6, 217:11,
220:17, 225:2,
225:19, 227:21,
228:9, 229:4, 239:2,
239:21, 242:18,
242:20, 242:21,
242:23, 242:24,
246:18, 246:23
voted [26] - 12:13,
12:15, 14:3, 21:16,
22:1, 22:11, 34:14,
44:3, 52:4, 64:18,
66:3, 66:6, 67:13,
72:10, 72:14, 74:23,
93:5, 113:3, 135:6,
176:10, 183:9,
183:11, 190:24,
192:13, 192:24,
244:23
voter [141] - 11:17,
13:8, 21:18, 21:21,
25:7, 28:11, 28:12,
28:16, 28:24, 30:8,
36:11, 36:13, 41:6,
41:8, 42:14, 54:23,
54:24, 55:2, 55:4,
58:16, 58:18, 67:17,
68:1, 68:19, 77:2,
77:15, 77:20, 77:24,
78:22, 79:1, 79:12,
90:13, 90:14, 93:15,
106:6, 106:12,
108:16, 108:24,
115:14, 115:17,
116:4, 116:23,
117:24, 118:10,
118:14, 136:13,
140:19, 141:5,
142:24, 145:14,
152:17, 152:20,
153:14, 153:21,
154:3, 154:8,
154:15, 154:16,
154:20, 154:21,
155:1, 155:4,
157:23, 161:21,
162:7, 162:9, 165:2,
165:19, 166:18,
166:24, 166:25,
167:8, 167:13,
167:14, 167:16,
167:17, 167:19,
167:25, 168:1,
168:2, 168:9,
168:19, 168:24,
169:20, 172:13,
172:15, 172:16,
172:24, 172:25,

175:17, 177:19,
178:6, 178:9,
178:10, 178:13,
181:22, 181:25,
182:4, 183:15,
184:6, 194:25,
196:12, 196:25,
197:18, 199:9,
199:11, 199:13,
201:3, 210:7,
210:19, 210:21,
210:23, 212:5,
212:19, 213:13,
213:23, 215:8,
215:10, 216:14,
216:19, 217:16,
217:17, 218:19,
219:9, 219:16,
219:17, 220:23,
221:4, 221:10,
225:18, 228:16,
229:10, 229:18,
231:1, 234:15,
234:21, 237:17,
242:20, 246:5
voter's [12] - 86:4,
86:11, 86:16, 88:2,
88:4, 91:1, 167:15,
182:8, 202:22,
228:23, 229:2,
232:17
voters [60] - 55:14,
69:7, 69:25, 72:20,
73:2, 73:15, 73:19,
74:1, 74:6, 74:15,
87:18, 90:16, 90:18,
115:14, 115:15,
116:4, 117:16,
121:17, 137:2,
154:5, 154:7,
154:22, 156:10,
156:13, 158:3,
164:15, 169:12,
170:16, 173:25,
180:13, 181:18,
187:17, 190:16,
200:9, 206:17,
207:6, 217:1, 217:4,
217:8, 218:20,
218:23, 218:24,
219:3, 219:22,
219:25, 220:3,
220:8, 220:25,
227:3, 227:21,
227:24, 228:1,
231:14, 232:6,
235:9, 245:16,
245:17, 245:18
votes [2] - 121:24,
168:4
voting [65] - 22:8,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

48:23, 49:23, 50:19,


54:13, 55:6, 59:18,
64:12, 64:25, 65:15,
69:15, 76:2, 82:13,
88:1, 99:4, 106:7,
109:21, 117:22,
118:18, 121:22,
122:4, 133:17,
135:11, 158:6,
160:11, 160:19,
160:22, 161:7,
161:13, 161:14,
164:18, 170:14,
171:7, 173:21,
174:3, 175:8,
175:24, 180:4,
180:9, 180:10,
183:2, 186:10,
187:6, 189:15,
190:7, 192:1,
195:19, 197:16,
206:17, 214:8,
219:24, 220:1,
220:21, 222:2,
226:12, 226:14,
226:18, 226:19,
227:22, 230:9,
230:18, 238:7,
246:15, 246:22
VS [1] - 1:5

W
wait [2] - 49:19,
131:10
wake [1] - 22:5
walk [6] - 103:13,
118:15, 216:17,
229:7
walk-in [2] - 216:17,
229:7
walker [1] - 232:10
Walker [5] - 230:7,
230:9, 230:23,
231:14, 232:18
Waller [3] - 70:14,
85:13, 85:16
wants [2] - 56:19,
172:15
War [1] - 19:2
warehouse [1] 171:14
warn [2] - 98:21,
192:22
warning [2] - 118:1,
181:25
warranted [1] - 106:16
Warranty [3] - 35:1,
35:7, 35:11
watch [1] - 168:4

31

Watchdog [8] 132:16, 134:20,


134:24, 135:2,
135:17, 215:20,
215:25, 216:1
ways [3] - 10:9, 133:1,
149:14
wearing [2] - 12:8,
12:9
weather [1] - 247:19
website [3] - 121:8,
121:10, 129:19
week [7] - 28:5, 64:8,
77:10, 163:7, 183:4,
183:8, 205:18
weeks [3] - 64:9,
64:10, 109:11
weigh [2] - 91:11,
200:8
weighed [1] - 199:7
weighs [1] - 161:18
weight [1] - 182:8
Whatley [1] - 81:25
whatnot [1] - 24:20
whatsoever [1] 131:17
wheelhouse [1] 168:19
White [1] - 2:9
WHITE [111] - 7:6,
92:16, 98:14, 99:16,
99:21, 100:21,
103:19, 104:4,
112:22, 112:25,
114:8, 114:22,
117:11, 121:3,
122:20, 124:19,
124:21, 124:24,
125:17, 126:15,
126:18, 127:5,
127:9, 130:10,
130:18, 132:13,
132:19, 134:21,
135:7, 138:19,
138:21, 144:17,
144:20, 147:7,
148:16, 152:11,
153:2, 153:22,
156:3, 156:17,
156:21, 157:5,
161:23, 173:22,
174:11, 175:9,
179:4, 179:18,
180:15, 180:21,
187:4, 188:13,
188:17, 189:9,
189:16, 190:20,
190:25, 192:3,
192:25, 194:22,
195:22, 197:21,

198:8, 201:15,
202:5, 207:3,
207:10, 207:17,
208:1, 208:3,
208:15, 208:23,
210:14, 215:21,
216:7, 216:11,
218:11, 223:16,
224:2, 224:6,
224:10, 224:17,
225:3, 225:14,
225:21, 226:5,
226:20, 227:19,
229:22, 230:11,
232:16, 232:20,
235:8, 235:10,
235:13, 236:5,
236:24, 237:5,
237:8, 237:12,
238:9, 239:13,
240:20, 240:24,
241:17, 243:17,
243:20, 244:1,
245:11, 247:1, 247:6
white [2] - 205:17,
243:9
White.................. [2] 3:21, 5:23
White........................
[4] - 3:18, 4:4, 5:9,
5:20
White.........................
. [6] - 3:14, 3:20,
3:24, 5:13, 5:16,
5:22
White.........................
... [10] - 3:11, 3:13,
3:19, 3:23, 4:5, 5:10,
5:12, 5:15, 5:18,
5:21
whole [7] - 19:2,
55:19, 55:22, 86:7,
196:14, 203:4,
238:11
wide [1] - 50:7
wide-open [1] - 50:7
wife [12] - 31:19,
94:18, 234:25,
235:17, 236:17,
239:1, 239:4,
239:24, 244:9,
244:11, 246:17,
246:22
wife's [2] - 234:5,
234:17
William [1] - 233:15
Williamson [1] 105:11
willing [1] - 218:19
window [2] - 178:8,

200:13
Winn [6] - 138:2,
138:6, 138:7, 138:9,
140:13
winter [5] - 87:2, 87:6,
87:13, 169:18,
212:17
Wisconsin [1] 169:19
wish [2] - 119:11,
128:2
wishes [1] - 206:23
withdraw [1] - 226:24
WITNESS [8] - 119:3,
143:15, 186:22,
194:3, 194:10,
194:13, 209:5,
254:15
witness [84] - 7:13,
7:18, 7:22, 7:25,
42:18, 46:24, 47:5,
51:13, 52:8, 56:14,
61:3, 61:25, 70:4,
70:6, 89:13, 92:3,
92:12, 92:15, 94:5,
94:8, 100:19,
103:19, 103:21,
104:8, 104:11,
110:11, 111:11,
119:4, 121:4,
122:25, 123:3,
124:16, 125:17,
126:13, 127:5,
127:7, 128:1, 128:4,
130:10, 131:18,
138:18, 138:19,
138:23, 138:25,
144:17, 145:18,
147:12, 147:17,
150:6, 156:17,
159:20, 180:18,
188:17, 198:6,
201:15, 206:2,
208:13, 209:6,
209:9, 219:4, 220:4,
223:5, 224:20,
225:4, 227:17,
229:23, 232:14,
232:20, 233:1,
233:4, 233:6,
234:10, 240:20,
243:11, 243:13,
245:9, 247:1, 247:4,
247:5, 249:14,
249:17
witnesses [5] - 93:24,
134:10, 134:12,
238:17, 247:8
witnesses' [1] 134:13

woman [3] - 8:11,


9:11, 171:3
won [1] - 105:13
Woodlands [15] 11:14, 14:17, 14:19,
19:25, 95:14, 95:15,
108:3, 108:14,
116:11, 151:24,
153:15, 211:1,
217:2, 217:22,
254:20
word [14] - 88:11,
88:13, 116:22,
163:13, 178:24,
186:21, 187:2,
193:16, 194:13,
196:17, 197:8,
229:2, 250:15
wording [1] - 10:14
words [9] - 10:2, 59:1,
66:23, 90:10,
117:24, 148:10,
161:20, 190:23,
231:7
workers [1] - 141:7
works [2] - 163:5,
240:12
Wright [12] - 2:15,
3:18, 4:5, 5:9, 5:20,
10:5, 71:10, 198:17,
244:5, 247:23,
250:12, 253:3
WRIGHT [285] - 7:7,
8:18, 8:23, 9:2, 9:18,
42:19, 42:21, 46:17,
46:25, 47:14, 47:23,
48:6, 48:20, 48:22,
49:6, 49:15, 50:2,
50:7, 50:17, 51:13,
51:16, 52:6, 52:12,
54:5, 54:9, 54:10,
56:24, 58:6, 58:12,
61:3, 61:5, 61:14,
61:24, 62:2, 62:7,
62:14, 63:17, 70:6,
71:12, 89:14, 89:17,
92:2, 92:11, 92:19,
92:24, 94:6, 94:11,
94:16, 98:24, 99:1,
99:18, 99:24,
100:19, 103:20,
104:1, 104:7, 104:9,
104:13, 104:18,
110:11, 110:13,
111:11, 111:12,
112:18, 113:5,
113:9, 113:20,
113:22, 114:7,
114:13, 114:19,
115:2, 115:6, 115:8,

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


281-723-9090

115:25, 116:2,
117:8, 117:14,
117:15, 119:5,
119:13, 121:5,
123:5, 124:16,
125:19, 126:12,
127:6, 127:18,
128:2, 128:6,
128:10, 130:13,
131:10, 131:22,
131:25, 132:12,
132:15, 132:18,
132:22, 133:4,
133:14, 133:20,
134:17, 134:19,
134:23, 135:10,
138:18, 138:24,
139:6, 143:25,
145:2, 145:18,
145:21, 147:3,
147:18, 148:2,
148:9, 148:19,
149:4, 149:13,
149:17, 149:25,
150:9, 150:11,
150:13, 152:19,
152:22, 153:6,
153:9, 153:24,
154:2, 155:22,
156:6, 157:12,
158:13, 159:6,
159:20, 159:23,
161:25, 163:9,
170:9, 170:11,
170:21, 173:24,
174:13, 175:11,
175:15, 175:19,
176:6, 176:14,
176:21, 176:25,
177:3, 177:8,
177:15, 179:9,
179:20, 180:3,
180:18, 186:23,
188:18, 188:20,
189:13, 189:21,
189:24, 190:5,
190:23, 191:6,
191:9, 191:12,
191:20, 191:23,
192:6, 192:11,
193:3, 193:10,
193:13, 194:18,
194:25, 195:3,
195:24, 196:3,
197:23, 197:24,
198:6, 201:17,
201:20, 202:10,
203:4, 203:9,
203:19, 203:24,
204:3, 204:7,
204:19, 204:23,

32

205:3, 205:5, 205:8,


205:21, 206:1,
206:3, 206:6,
206:12, 206:15,
207:1, 207:5,
207:12, 207:20,
207:23, 208:2,
208:13, 208:17,
209:1, 209:7,
209:11, 209:15,
210:15, 211:24,
212:1, 216:1, 216:9,
216:13, 216:23,
216:25, 218:13,
219:4, 219:7, 220:4,
220:7, 223:5, 223:7,
223:19, 224:3,
224:8, 224:13,
224:23, 225:9,
225:11, 225:17,
225:23, 226:1,
226:7, 226:22,
226:24, 227:1,
227:17, 229:25,
230:4, 230:13,
232:13, 232:21,
232:23, 233:1,
233:7, 233:12,
234:10, 234:11,
235:16, 235:21,
236:8, 236:13,
237:3, 237:15,
238:22, 238:23,
239:17, 244:6,
244:8, 245:9, 247:3,
247:8, 247:12,
247:24, 248:10,
248:13, 248:16,
248:22, 249:16,
250:5, 250:22,
251:3, 251:16,
251:19, 253:16
Wright's [1] - 253:11
Wright................ [2] 3:20, 5:22
Wright.......................
. [6] - 3:14, 3:19,
3:23, 5:12, 5:15,
5:21
Wright.......................
.. [2] - 3:6, 5:5
Wright.......................
... [12] - 3:11, 3:13,
3:16, 3:17, 3:22, 4:4,
5:7, 5:8, 5:11, 5:14,
5:17, 5:19
Wright.......................
.... [2] - 3:5, 5:4
Wright.......................
............. [2] - 3:8, 4:6

write [5] - 107:18,


120:5, 120:17,
150:3, 172:13
writes [1] - 107:16
writing [2] - 107:9,
141:20
written [7] - 52:14,
107:17, 121:6,
132:20, 144:2,
167:14, 241:19
wrongs [1] - 208:16
wrote [4] - 129:20,
132:11, 184:2, 250:2

Y
year [12] - 55:12, 72:7,
74:24, 80:1, 91:22,
91:23, 95:17,
109:13, 140:6,
169:19, 177:23,
200:17
years [54] - 10:24,
11:6, 12:1, 13:15,
13:18, 13:19, 14:9,
16:7, 19:23, 44:20,
44:21, 53:2, 55:12,
58:16, 58:20, 63:6,
63:7, 63:12, 82:24,
93:10, 94:22, 95:3,
95:8, 97:17, 102:21,
105:8, 105:12,
115:17, 135:14,
139:22, 139:23,
139:24, 141:15,
146:17, 150:22,
164:17, 164:22,
167:4, 177:23,
187:18, 196:8,
202:20, 210:9,
210:21, 211:16,
213:10, 233:18,
233:20, 234:1,
234:4, 237:23,
238:24
yes-or-no [2] - 179:24,
206:22
yesterday [1] - 10:8
Yollick [5] - 65:22,
65:23, 66:15, 67:8,
240:8
Yollick's [1] - 67:18
York [1] - 132:17
Yorkie [3] - 100:24,
100:25, 101:1
you-all [18] - 64:14,
66:5, 94:22, 94:23,
95:4, 95:7, 95:15,
95:21, 103:24,
109:14, 118:25,

119:8, 169:25,
175:14, 249:22,
249:24, 251:2,
252:24
young [1] - 13:24
yourself [11] - 8:5,
13:13, 13:20, 14:24,
34:9, 34:12, 39:22,
99:25, 100:12,
187:20, 236:14

Z
zero [1] - 238:7
zoned [2] - 171:13,
171:17
zoom [1] - 41:5

KAREN D. DESHETLER, CSR


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