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<Jefferson Should be Allowed Statehood>

Proposition
Opposition
1 Having California divided into 6
1 Northern California's resources is necessary to
separate states would give more
Southern California in order to survive.
representative to the area.
2 Northern California is culturally
2 Jefferson would not survive being a state alone.
different from South California.
3 Southern California is stealing
3 It would too much time & money
Northern California's resources.
4 Constitutional right
5 Creates manageable government
6 Jefferson wants it

4 Poor counties equal poor state.

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Refute all opponents points & summarize with impact statements why proposition/opposition
wins the debate

<Jefferson Should Be Allowed Statehood>

Prop/Opp
A Assertion
R Reasoning
E Evidence
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Intro
Allowing Jefferson Statehood = splitting CA into 6 separate states
Prop
Having California
Judge, California is a big state
Currently, California has the largest
1
divided into 6 separate with a big population. In
population of 37,253,956, according
states would give more Sacramento, northern
to a study done by the US Census
representative to the
populations are not represented
Bureau. According to Menlo Park
area.
adequately. Representatives who billionaire Tim Draper, dividing
are elected to voice the people's
California into smaller states would
say come from regions that are
give smaller populations and areas in
crowded with people, such as
a big state more say in the
Silicon Valley and Los Angeles.
government."
The city populations then

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http://blogs.kqed.org/lo
wdown/2014/02/19/sixstates
http://quickfacts.census.
gov/qfd/states/06000.ht
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Judge, this is
complete nonsense.
Currently there are 53
representatives for
California in the
government. There is
no way not one
representative is from
Jefferson state or
some smaller area in

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Prop/Opp
A Assertion
R Reasoning
Ref#
dominate the house and
Northern Residents have
virtually no say in California
Legislature. This makes the
representative and voice biased,
and can be compared to taxation
without representation.
Separating Jefferson from
California gives Jefferson
representatives to be elected
from Jefferson state, which
voices the Jefferson people's
says.
Prop
2

Northern California is
culturally different
from South California.

Prop
3

Southern California is
stealing Northern
California's resources.

E Evidence

In Southern California, it is the home

of government and technology. In
northern California, it is mostly rural
and scattered with farms. Judge,
Politicians in Sacramento do not
understand Jefferson's needs
because they have never lived there.
When California is split apart,
Jefferson receives 2 new
representative slots from their own
county.
Judge, Southern California is taking According to Rick Jones, owner of a
all of Northern California's resources.
general store in Seiad Valley, added,
For example, water flows into
All our tax money goes south (to
Northern California from the northern
Sacramento) and nothing comes back
mountains, . However, Southern
here.
California constructed huge pipelines
to transport water from Northern
California to Southern California. This
is unfair, as Northern California also
needs water. Also, Northern
Californians need to pay high taxes.
All of this money flows into

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California. Also,
splitting a big state
will take big bucks.
Does the government
really have the money
and time to perform
these actions? All of
these actions are to
set up a slightly more
efficient government.
We have other things
to worry about than
making and raising a
new flag.

http://www.hcn.org/wotr
/will-there-ever-be-a51st-state

That is not the case

however, more state
money flows into
Jefferson than it does
to Sacramento, more
than how much the
poor need to pay of
taxes.

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Prop/Opp
A Assertion
R Reasoning
E Evidence
Ref#
Sacramento and does not come back
to the taxpayers.
Prop
Constitutional right
Judge, it is stated clearly in the
In Article 4, section 3 of the
4
Constitution that states have the Constitution, it is stated that
right to be granted statehood.
sovereign regions within the United
States.have the right to statehood.
The Constitution does not require that
states be admitted on an "equal
footing" with the original states. In
fact, the Constitautional
Convention rejected a proposal
requiring the equality of new states.
Congress nevertheless included an
equality clause in the statehood acts
of admission of states. Congressional
restrictions on the equality of states,
even when those limitations have
been found in the acts of admission,
have been held void by the Supreme
Court.
Prop
Creates manageable
Judge, with the largest population ofCurrently, the state of California has
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government
a state in the USA, California has anthe largest population of 38,322, 500
abundance of people and resources,individuals according to a study done
all of which is very difficult for the by the Census Bureau last year.
government to manage. By allowingAccording to editor, Travis H.Brown of
Jefferson to be a state, we create two
The LA Time Magazine, the appeal of
different governments for two
the two states initiative, allows for
different states, making it much
governments that are smaller, and
easier and or efficient to manage. thereby more efficient. Thus, creating
states sharing numbers of common
characteristics including
socioeconomic backgrounds,
legislative needs, and political
affiliation. This creates a
representative government that will
enact the most public sense for the
state.

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LA Times

Judge, although
splitting the states
will create a more
efficient government,
we must although
think of the cost that
is associated with
giving Jefferson
statehood. Given the
current state of our
economy, being
trillions of dollars in
debt, is it really worth
it to go and spend all
that money to make a
new state, create a
new flag, and change

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Prop/Opp
A Assertion
R Reasoning
Ref#

Prop
6

Jefferson wants this

E Evidence

Judge, we are are a country that

"According to the Siskyou County
represents the people. We pay
Board, most of the council supported
attention to the people's needs and Jefferson's claim. The ratio of this is 4
wants. However, what California is to 1, with more than 100 people
doing to Jefferson county is wrong. attending. UPI.com directly
They are taking away their water states,""Residents of the rural Gold
rights, making them pay unfair
Rush county are concerned about
taxes, and then not allowing them water rights, saying the $150 fire
statehood. How is this fair to the
prevention fees for rural residents are
populace of Jefferson? In fact,
unfair. They also claim a lack of
according to a poll stated by
representation in Sacramento."" Only
UPI.com, the ratio of people
one person so far has opposed this
supporting Jefferson seceding from idea. At least one neighboring county
California was 4 to 1. This is
is considering the plan. Humboldt
supported by the people of JeffersonCounty Supervisor Rex Bohn said he
County. WE are a Democracy. Givingbelieves the state of Jefferson is a
them the right to secede is only fair.good idea.

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http://www.upi.com/blog
/2013/09/05/NorthernCalifornia-county-votesto-secede-form-state-ofJefferson/11813783913
44/

national landmarks,
JUST so we can get a
slightly more efficient
government?
Yes, but the US needs
Jefferson. Not just
California. If Jefferson
secedes, they will not
only affect the
agricultural business
in California, but they
will decrease the
overall produce level
for the US.

There has been a total lack of

respect of our water rights and the
fire fee,"" Bohn said. ""Those things
may not be important to the rest of
the state, but its important to us.

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Prop
7
Prop
8
Opp

Northern California's

Think about where we get all of the According to an study done by

Lao.ca.gov

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Prop/Opp
A Assertion
Ref#
1
resources is necessary
to Southern California
in order to survive.

Opp
2

Jefferson would not be

able to survive.

Opp
3

It would too much time

& money

Opp
4

Poor counties equal

poor state.

Statehood>
R Reasoning

E Evidence

water and the profit we make from it.

lao.ca.gov, most of the rainfall settles
Most of our profit comes from
in the mountains up north, where the
agriculture. Judge, California is a
northern counties collect and hold it.
major producer in agriculture and Down here, there is barely any water
crops! Without water, we are not
that flows! The rest of California
able to grow these crops,
depends on Jefferson and the
and therefore, we cannot make
northern counties in order to survive.
profit.
As a new state, Jefferson would startAccording to the US Census Bureau,
off with not a lot of money. Each
residents of the far north in California
state has to pay for mandated
are primarily Caucasian and some are
federal things such as health care, the poorest amongst the state.
education, and social welfare.
Jefferson cannot survive, just like a
child with a small allowance set on
his own to pay for rent, clothing, and
food.
Who is going to enforce a state line?According to Huffington Post, similar
It's the state! Of all the counties in situations have occured and have
the proposed Jefferson state, only failed. Louisiana is among the seven
ONE out of 19 counties is doing
states petitioning for secession. A
moderately well. The rest, like
10th Amendment resolution has
Klamath and Modoc, have numerouspassed both houses of its legislature.
economic drops. Klamath county, forAt the last reckoning, Louisiana got
example, has an economy based onback about $1.78 from Uncle Sam for
timber. Judge, do you think this is every dollar its citizens pay in. That
adequate to fund an entire new
was about $4,200 per resident.
STATE! This is just one of the horrible
drops in the Jefferson area.
When a group of 20 or so counties The idea of a bunch of poor counties
decide to form a state, all of their forming a poor state is a risky concept
economies will be combined as one.for Humboldt County supervisor Rex
But judge, what would happen whenBohn. He says that the idea of a
a group of POOR counties form a
bunch of poor counties forming a poor
state? The result would be extremely
state will not succeed. There are 19
harmful. The counties of Jefferson counties in the proposed state of
should not be allowed statehood
Jefferson, including Shasta and Modoc

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http://guardianlv.com/2
014/05/northerncalifornia-countiesforming-the-state-ofjefferson/
http://www.infoplease.c
om/us/census/data/calif
ornia/demographic.html

Jefferson has many

natural resources it
can pull money out of.
Even though Jefferson
may start off with a
small sum of money,
it will eventually grow.

http://www.huffingtonpo
st.com/2012/11/20/costof-seceding-fromunitedstates_n_2165696.html

It's worth it. The

Revolutionary War
took money, and so
did the Civil War. Both
gave way to freedom
and individual rights.
So why not spend a
little money (no
bloodshed) to give
the people of
Northern California
justice?
The economies of the
counties in Jefferson
are based on valuable
resources needed in
the U.S., like timber
and water. If Jefferson
forms a state, their
economy would thrive

http://www.redwoodtim
es.com/ci_24309047/rel
evant-questionssurround-statejefferson-controversymove-toward

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Prop/Opp
A Assertion
R Reasoning
E Evidence
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because the states of California andin California and Klamath in Oregon.
Oregon have stable economies.
Now judge, what do all of these
Forming a new state which has
counties have in common? They are
previously low economies will just all extremely poor and have bad
result in a poor, unsuccessful state. economies. For example, Klamath
Judge, this is NOT good at all! The County's economy was based on
51st state will hurt itself and the
timber and agriculture, which only
other 50 states. Jefferson should notcontributed a small fraction to the
be allowed statehood because poor region's current economic activity.
counties equal a poor state.
Another example is the Modoc County
in California, where the rural area
causes low economic activity in this
county. Judge, the counties making up
Jefferson all are economically inferior.
And when poor counties unite, the
result is a poor state. Jefferson should
not be allowed statehood because its
economy will not only hurt the state,
but the entire country.
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