Alex Collier On Sightings On The Radio With Jeff Rense 1998

Alex Collier on Sightings on the Radio with Jeff Rense

August 6 1998 Excerpts
Transcript by Leading Edge Research Group August 1998
JR: Jeff Rense AC: Alex Collier
JR: Alex Collier a name youll probably remember for quite a while after tonights program. Many of
you already know it. He has been an extraterrestrial contactee for over 30 years. He has been in
contact with a human race from within the constellation of Andromeda. Alexs experience has been
both telepathic and physical. His relationship with the Andromedans has been based on trust and
friendship. His free will has never been violated, and his experience must not in any way be associated
with the abduction phenomena. With that, lets say hello to Alex Collier, whos in the great state of
Colorado. Hello, Alex, are you there?
AC: Yes. How are you?
JR: Im fine, thank you. Thanks for taking time to bring your message and your experience to our
listeners.
AC: Thank you. Its absolutely my pleasure.
JR: The whole issue of labels is something that has constantly gone back and forth. We had
contactee, then abductee, and we came up with the generic benign experiencers label. Now, were
back into the dichotomy of abductee and contactee. How do you deal with those labels?
AC: Well, I constantly try and correct people. My understanding of abductee is someone who is
taken against their will. Things are done to them against their will, and essentially they are treated
with a complete lack of respect, and then put back with the misery of trying to put all the pieces of
their life and the experience together. My experiences are not like that. I have absolute free will to go
or not to go. There are times I call them and weve been able to get together and I go with them and
get lessons, or teaching, and sometimes wisdom. Or, I just want to be in their space. Then I am
brought back sometimes against my will. I have come to love them.
JR: That is in stark contrast to what we deal with so often on this program people who are
apparently abductees who have said they have been taken against their will. It is a miserable
experience. Many have claimed that it is essentially rape, both physical and emotional. Some never
successfully reconstruct and carry on with their lives as before. There are apparently thousands who
live with this kind of nightmare and dont have the strength to deal with it. They just live with it. So,
what we are saying here is that the group you are involved with here is not the group doing the
abductions.
AC: No, theyre not. The groups doing the abductions are all associated with and related to
the star groups in Orion, who have a real problem with us evolving.
JR: Whats the problem. Why are they against our evolving to a better place, or are they our makers
genetically and want to continue to control us to keep us down at the servitude level?

AC: Well, you hit a key thing there with makers genetically. Part of their genetics is in us.
Because our particular solar system is on the outskirts of our galaxy, a lot of extra-terrestrial groups
came and went from our solar system. This is why we have so many ruins on moons and planets in our
solar system.
JR: Which are becoming more apparent all the time.
AC: Oh, yes. NASA has been doing everything they can to cover up the fact. You are talking
about extra-terrestrials that do not have the same genetic structure that we have, that are accustomed
to living in our linear time for periods of thousands of years at a stretch. You can do space travel then,
especially when you live thousands of years and have perfected time travel and travel faster than light.
There are many groups that have had that and are so advanced that we cannot even imagine it.
Compared to these races, Star Trek is childs play.
JR: How many groups are actively coming here now, to the best of your knowledge?
AC: Well, according to the Andromedans there are currently at least 191 races visiting,
stationed here or flying through our solar system. In the last 25 years, 71 races have
actually visited our planet.
JR: Its a busy place out there, isnt it?
AC: It is, and its getting more and more crowded. You know, in the center of our galaxy is where most
of the life here began or migrated to, and now it is getting so populated that it is moving further and
further out into the stretches of our galaxy. Naturally , we are beginning to see more activity. What
really started it was when we started blowing off nuclear weapons.
JR: That was a real signal, according to my research and talking with many people, that was picked up
all over the galaxy by many races. The word got out that we were making noise here, so to speak.
AC: Not only that, but nuclear weapons also have a multi-dimensional effect, and when you
start triggering these kinds of events, you even draw more attention to yourself we had no clue that
this kind of testing would have this effect.
JR: It could be considered a little bit on the rude side.
AC: Yes, but I think what concerned them even more was that they came here and saw a race that
was involved in war and strife, and they found other extra-terrestrials here that time traveled. They
found out that this place was really screwed up. A lot of drama is going on here that we were
absolutely not in control of, and that drew a lot of attention from a lot of different races very mature
races that have been in our position perhaps hundreds of thousands of years ago. Here, they see this
race trying to evolve on this planet but being manipulated, not only from other extra-terrestrial
groups, but also religions that were manipulating the minds of people, and a lot of technology that we
have and were given that we absolutely had no maturity to deal with.
JR: Are you suggesting that some of the evil of humankind is being inculcated into us by device and
deception from other races? Are we not, on our own and by our own volition, capable of mass
slaughter? What youre saying is that we are getting a little helping hand here. I mean, 55 years ago
we just finishing killing about 40 million people in World War II.
AC: Yes, sir. Thats what Im saying, according to the Andromedans. We have been manipulated.
Yes, we have for the most part only been participants. But, according to them, there is not a

single human being in a position of power and control on this planet, what we call our
leaders, that is not a puppet for those that are controlling us from the moon and from
underground.
JR: So, from your perspective, drawing a parallel might be done by looking at the U.S. Congress as
being puppets mastered by corporate interests, and then we go to the top of the money chain
and those moguls who sit aside the board rooms and pull the strings, the grand puppeteers,
in your opinion, are being puppeted by extra-terrestrials.
AC: Yes, sir. That is how it has been relayed to me.
JR: Its rather logical.
(Break)
JR: So, the ET coverup has been designed at the very least to obscure the fact that there is a collusion
at the highest level. Is that the reason?
AC: Yes. But, in all fairness, our world governments didnt think they had much choice. For the most
part they were suckered in. The problem goes even further back than that. If we could re-visit come
of Sitchins works, he has made a significant contribution to putting some pieces of our history back
together. The flood of Noah is believed to be something accomplished by the hand of God. The
reality was is that mankind, all of us, rebelled against tyrants that were persecuting our ancestors.
They rebelled and started to build and create things. The extra-terrestrials at the time, the stewards of
the planet from Niburu, saw this. They saw us evolving so quickly that they felt they had to do
something. For some reason they saw us as becoming a threat. It really comes down to genetics, but
well cover that. Anyway, they created the flood of Noah. What they did was they caused a pole
shift, and this shift rose water and created storms and created rain. Their purpose was to
literally drown our ancestors. Now, this is significant, really significant. Even those reading the
Bible must consider why a god who is portrayed as a loving and forgiving God who created us in his
image would want to drown everybody.
JR: Thats a little bit of a problem, yes.
AC: Theres a double message there, and we could go on and on about that subject. But, anyway,
some of those people survived. We are told by the Bible that only Noah and his family, and some
animals, survived. That is absolutely no true. Some groups of people, or tribes, according to
the Andromedans, were taken down to South America where they were hidden by those
who cared about us, and there was another group that was hidden in caves in what we now know as
the Grand Canyon. They survived these terrible floods and storms, and the attempted drowning of
mankind.
JR: I have seen that early story about those amazing Grand Canyon caves, underground structures
and so forth, that have been pretty well sequestered by the Smithsonian and other organizations since
their original discovery about the turn of the century.
AC: Yes. The rumor is that these caves housed over 30,000 people.
JR: That was in fact an ark by itself.
AC: Yes, more or less.

JR: There is a newspaper story on my website about some remarkable caves and ruins found deep
inside the walls of the Grand Canyon. There are parts of the Grand Canyon that are quite off -limits for
us today. I have a question here. Genetically, we have been manipulated so that we have access to
about 10% of our potential mental acuity. Who did this and why, according to your knowledge base?
AC: There were many groups that manipulated us. Primarily, they were groups that were
associated with Orion. A lot of this keeps coming back to Orion.
JR: Reptilians and greys?
AC: Yes, but there were also humans, humans that were half-human and half-reptilian, and
many species. They consider us a species as well. Primarily, Orion has been controlled or dictated
to by a very large Reptilian race known as the Ciakar, who were originally place in a star system called
Alpha Draconis, billions of years ago. I dont want to spend a lot of time on that, because I want to
stay focused on where we are today. Right now, we have a lot of problems to fix.
(Break)
JR: What I want to do now, Alex, is roll the clock back some 34 years to 1964. What were you doing
back then? What kind of a kid were you?
AC: Very inquisitive. Before my mom passed away, I was always in trouble. I thought my name was
stop that!. Basically, my grand parents used to have a cabin in the northern peninsula of Michigan,
and we always called it Woodstock. It was Woodstock for a while. But, I was talked to my sister a few
weeks ago and she told me that it is now called Watersmeet. Its in the Ottawa National Forest on the
northern peninsula of Michigan. We used to go up there and spend quite a lot of time there. There was
a big family picnic, and we were playing hide and seek. It was then that I was re-introduced to
Moraney and Vasais.
JR: How did it happen?
AC: We went off into the forest to hide, during this picnic. I hid in some very tall grass. The next thing
I remembered is that it was about 9:00 at night. I actually remember coming back. I sat up and ran
back to the picnic area several hundred years away. There were a lot of people there, including the
Michigan State Police, looking for me. My mother was glad to see me, and wanted to know where Id
been. So, it was classic missing time. But what had happened to me was that I found myself on a
table, and I havent had a chance to really tell this story, because there are always interruptions. I
looked up and there was a very tall man with light blue skin, looking at me, standing next to the table,
and there was a very old looking man whose skin had a blue tint but it was almost white. The tall blue
man was Moraney, with whom I still have contact, and the elderly man was Vasais, who was
considered to be a sage in his world. They became my friends.
JR: Why did they choose you?
AC: Well, I am not the only one. There are three others. They chose me because apparently
on a soul level when they were here 62,000 years ago I was here with them. I was one of
them. Something happened and I got left behind. I have been caught up in the Earths reincarnational
cycle all this time.
JR: Were you in a craft?
AC: Yes, and it was bigger on the inside than the outside.

JR: Well, weve heard of that before.

AC: Yes, it was remarkable. It was about 35 feet in diameter and about 12 or 15 feet high, on
the outside, but once you were inside it had three levels and it was enormous. I was put on a
table and given a physical. Moraney had this little device and pushed a button on it and all
these monitors came out of the wall they just manifested out of no-where. On these
monitors I could see data on my heartbeat, blood and everything. Holographic symbols.
Then, they placed this little metallic caplet on my head. Moraney pointed to the wall again.
Another screen came out and I was shown my past lives.

JR: That must have been mind-blowing.

AC: It absolutely was mind-blowing, but I knew it was me, because I could almost anticipate the
emotions that were going to occur next.
JR: Was there spoken language or telepathy?
AC: Telepathy, but Moraney has since learned to speak. Their entire race is telepathic, and their
language is holographic.
JR: Were you calm?
AC: I was totally at peace and fascinated. But, do you know how when you meet someone you
know you know them? Thats how it was with them from the very beginning. I absolutely
knew them. They are a remarkable race. They are so healed. I pray every night that we could be like
this, and have complete mutual respect for each other.
JR: Yes, we could do it. We have to stop arguing and judging. But, can we?
AC: Do we want to?
JR: Were being corrupted by so many other races that have been manipulating the money barons and
the power brokers for centuries, the question is do we have the choice? Society in this country is so
hopelessly programmed and regimented now. We are bring brought up to react to things, not so
much to initiate thought.
AC: Were stuck.
JR: We are in a very bad way.
(Break)
JR: All right. You were shown your past lives. How many lives did you have in 62,000 years.
AC: Not all of them were in physicality. Some of them I wasnt proud of at all. There were a lot of
them.
JR: What did they tell you about getting out of this unpleasant treadmill?
AC: Consciousness is the key, and apparently this is one of the reasons why they and other races have
chosen to begin contacting our races, so that we will be able to know and obtain the truth about who

and what we are. But, before we go there, I just wanted to add something. I have a very strong
accounting background, and there were several contacts back in 1985 where I was trying to teach
them about our social structure here what we do and why we do it. One of the questions that came
up was one about money, which they refer to as paper with pictures on it. I must have spent
three or four contacts trying to explain to Moraney and Vasais our concept of money. When
it was all over with, I realized that they just didnt get it. Vasais looked at me and he said, I do
not understand why you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on. In truth, it doesnt make
sense to me either. During the initial contact, Moraney motioned for me to get up, and we walked
toward the wall, and a door appeared where there wasnt one before. I remember turning
around and looking into the room, and it was empty. There was no table, nothing. I immediately said
to myself, where did the table go? Moraney said that they created the table holographically for me
because they wanted me to be comfortable. One of the things they said to me before I was brought
back was that I should not feel abandoned, that everything will be ok. I had no idea why they said
that, because it seemed out of context with the rest of the contact. This event occurred in August
1964. Now, in October 1964, we were going for a drive to pick apples and a drunk driver hit our car
and my mother was killed. Then, I knew what Moraney had meant. There was a lot of turmoil in our
lives for a while. I saw them one more time in December 1964, and then there were no contacts until
age 14. There were several at age 14, then one contact at age 16, and then no contact whatsoever
until 1985. The contacts were very sporadic and there was no pattern to them.
JR: You were taken on board a craft each time?
AC: Yes. Then, in 1985 when they came back I was living on Malibu in the Santa Monica mountains, in
an area called Decker Canyon. Thats when they started to come back, and it has been fairly consistent
since then. Thats when most of my teaching, what they were teaching me, really began. That will
probably cover three or four books by the time its all said and done.
JR: When did they first tell you where they were from and who they were? During that first contact?
AC: Yes, but I didnt really understand it. It wasnt until I was 14 and more mature that I understood
exactly where they were and I could pinpoint the place.
JR: Did you feel, somehow, that the Andromedan system was home?
AC: Yes. I liked them a lot.
JR: Do they pass among us as humans?
AC: No. There are others here that are doing that, but they cant. They are way too large. You would
notice blue skin pretty quickly.
JR: Why are they coming here? Are they only contacting a handful of people on the planet?
AC: As far as I know, there are three other people. But, they are definitely going to be adding more.
JR: Have you met the three other people?
AC: No, I have not. We have been trying to find out where they are. I know that there is one in South
America, possibly Brazil. There is one in Europe and one in Asia. I have asked the Andromedans who
they are, but they wont tell me for security reasons.
JR: So, they are compartmentalizing their contacts?

AC: Yes. They would appear to be.

JR: Out of all the groups here that they have talked to you about, has the situation every been
discussed where groups would rescue us from ourselves before we completely trash everything? Or,
are they all going to sit back and pick up the pieces?
AC: As far as beaming us up off the planet? No. They have never once said that. They think that
would be very irresponsible because if we have not learned the lesson, no matter where they took us
we would do it again.
JR: We have to go through the suffering and pain to figure it out.
AC: To a degree. There are going to be some real growing pains.
JR: I think youre being very kind in your description. We havent figured it out yet
AC: Well, we have. But, as an example, we have had free energy for a long long time. It has been
invented and created.
JR: Well, I agree. I have done programs on it. We know we are being held prisoner by big businesses
and the petrochemical industry. If we had set out to design a vehicle for transportation that would kill,
maim and destroy the environment, we couldnt have done much better than the mode we have
chosen.
AC: Youre absolutely right. But, you know, the responsibility absolutely lies with us, because
we the people are not managing our government or managing the corporations. We are
allowing them to dictate to us who and what we are and what were supposed to be. Were
spinning around without any real direction.
JR: The average American, with all due respect, is a programmed person, practically a robot. They
respond. They pay. They go to work. They are in total bondage. Those listening to this program are in
truth seeking a better reality for themselves. Thats very encouraging. I feel, frankly, and I would like
to hear what your friends say, that control is so ruthlessly total and has been entrenched for so long
that nothing short of a major cataclysm, whether it be political, social, financial or geological, is going
to be what it takes. I dont think the system is salvageable in its current form. I see no historical
precedent for enlightened people to go back and retool a governmental structure, because again
the control is so insidiously total. It permeates every aspect of our lives from the time we wake up in
the morning to the time we go to sleep. We are deluged with programmed material, and we respond as
a society. Alex Collier is my guest. His book, again, is Defending Sacred Ground. A remarkable story
tonight. We would ask you to consider it and see if it makes any sense to you. We will continue in just
a few minutes.
(Break)
JR: Now, only four people to your knowledge have been contacted by the humans from the
constellation of Andromeda. Why so few, Alex, why you, and what is your role to be?
AC: Well, I have been asking that same question. I know that there are different groups and races
from other parts of the galaxy contacting other humans here. At last count, there were 28 physical
contactees that I have been able to confirm, although some people say there are a lot more. That is all
I have been able to confirm.

JR: I want to make it clear that we are not talking about the apparent thousands of abductees. We are
talking about contactees.
AC: Yes, sir.
JR: Are these fully conscious experiences, or are they out-of-the-body experiences? How does it work?
Give me an example of a typical meeting with the Andromedans.
AC: When I was a kid, we established a protocol. I have this old song that was one of my
favorites when I was little, an old Johnny Rivers tune. I asked them to play that whenever
they were here. So, when I hear it, I know that they are around, and then I usually wait for
some kind of a telepathic communication. It will either be telepathic, or they will guide me
to a specific location where they will be waiting for me and I will have a physical contact.
The Santa Monica mountains was one of two places where they were comfortable actually getting out
of their craft. The area that I am talking about up there was an area called Bony Ridge, on the
Malibu-Ventura-Oxnard border. Its that huge range up above Point Magu. It is a place that has in it the
ruins of an old ancient city that go back to the time of Lemuria, and a friend of mine by the name of
Robert Stanley has done extensive work documenting that whole area.
JR: Thats a real strange area. Its sort of out of the way, and a lot of people just drive past it on Route
101 on either side and look up there. Not many people go up there. I know what you mean.
AC: The place is protected, and not a lot of people do get in there. It is certainly accessible by hiking.
You will see things that absolutely have no business being there. Its a remarkable place. Its one of
the things I really miss about California.
JR: Take me with you in the car when you are driving up there. Do you see the craft?
AC: Not at first. We are usually talking while I am driving out there.
JR: How do they greet you? Do they say hi, how are you, its nice to see you?
AC: In the beginning, its with a slight bow.
JR: Like the Japanese do?
AC: Yes. Then I would bow, and Moraney would extend his hand and we would shake hands.
JR: How does it feel?
AC: They feel just like we do, except when he holds my hand all you can see is my wrist, because his
hands are so big.
JR: How big are these fellows?
AC: Their average male height is anywhere from seven to nine and one-half or ten feet tall.
There are some who are 12 feet tall. The females are generally seven to eight feet tall.
Theyre huge. Moraney is 7 feet high and about 450 pounds. A very large man,
JR: What do they wear?

AC: They wear jump suits. Thats all I have seen them in.
JR: A seamless suit?
AC: It looks like it has been spray-painted on.
JR: And the colors?
AC: The only color that we would recognize in our reality is something that is a dark blue-green with a
gold metallic aspect to it. A lot of their colors we dont even have here, so theyre hard to
explain.
JR: How long to the meetings last?
AC: That depends. There is no real pattern. Sometimes theyre 30 minutes. Sometimes theyre six
hours. Sometimes they can last several days.
JR: Are these real-time meetings, or are they accelerated time?
AC: They are real time, but they time travel a lot, so its easy to go for three or four days and bring me
back to a point in time where I have actually only been gone a few minutes.
JR: What do they say, Alex. Lets go for a ride. Do they say we have something to show you this
time, or what?
AC: Well, I will give you an example of my last contact. Essentially, Moraney just said he would like to
present me with information tonight, and we walked toward a specific part of the craft as it would
leave the atmosphere. Sometimes he would take me to a specific room that has a holographic
projector. Now, as I said earlier, they use extensive technology using holographics. They have this
camera that can literally take pictures than uses a crystalline cylinder instead of film. They can take a
picture of you and your data is projected onto this cylinder. What they do is put this into a device.
They can take a picture of you now, go back 15 years, and this picture contains your entire
life history for the last 15 years. Then, what they do is take it apart and examine what you have
been doing the last 15 years. They literally know everything about you, even the chain of
thoughts that go through your head for 15 years. Now, they use the same technology to heal. For
example, lets say you are currently are suffering from a specific ailment, a deterioration of a specific
part of your anatomy. They could put you on the table, take your picture now, go back in time and take
a picture again when that particular organ was at its healthiest. They can take the part of your
holograph out that reflects that diseased organ and replace that with a holograph from the
past in the camera, and it will project back into your body, and within minutes your body
will heal itself. Do you understand? They say that everything in this universe, which includes
12 dimensions, is nothing more than a holograph, that it (the universe) is intent, sent out
and turned back on itself. That includes them and us.
JR: So, they are doing time-travel organ regeneration.
AC: Yes.
(Break)

JR: Ok, Alex. You are supposed to be doing something with this knowledge, or are you supposed to
keep it to yourself. Have you gotten any direction?
AC: No. They have been wanting me to speak, and I have been for ten years, even though the groups
have been very very small. I have procrastinated for almost five years before going public, simply
because I wrestled with the fact that some people would think I am crazy.
JR: How did you overcome that?
AC: I dont know that I have. I get a lot of flak, and I have had some security issues already.
JR: Have you been threatened?
AC: Yes, sir, I have.
JR: I want to tell you that my audience is not that way. I have just the most remarkable people, and
theyre perfectly capable of making decisions. If they dont like the program, they will just turn it off.
AC: Well, we have a lot of people on this planet who are
JR: On the dark side.
AC: They have a negative polarity and motivated by fear, greed and control. What these
people dont understand is that this kind of vibration only disintegrates and destroys their
own original intent, and in order to feed that type of energy, you have to control others.
Eventually, the whole thing implodes, and we are heading in that direction very fast. Once evil has
controlled everything, it has no choice but to feed on itself.
JR: Evil appears to have one hell of a hand on the wheel at the moment.
AC: I want to tell you about a contact I had in Malibu. I was lying down on the grass, and there was no
scheduled contact. Suddenly, Moraney was standing next to me. He just looked at me and said, we
have become aware that a great majority of your races are unaware of philosophy and logic,
and understanding and knowledge of their own soul. We observe many Terrans seeing and
feeling what others have told them, or have spoken. Alex, has your race lost the self-awareness of its
own discovery? Then he left. He didnt even wait for an answer. I got so much stuff like that, you
know. They are so profound.
JR: With respect to the multiplicity of beings visiting this planet, is their a consensus that humankind is
headed irrevocably down the path to self-destruction. Everywhere you look, there are nuclear
submarines, suitcase nukes, biological weapons and mass extinctions going on. Is there any
optimism? What are you hearing from these folks?
AC: None of this has been pre-determined. I will say that there has been intervention, and that there
will be more intervention. But, will they come down and save us? Not exactly. I know that there are
negotiations and contingency plans being drawn up, but this is not a situation where they want to
come in here and baby-sit. We have to make an effort, and if there is an effort made, we will
get some help.
(Break)

AC: Let me read this. It was given to me in 1991 by Moraney. I will make it very quick. He said, in
your time and space the expression of fear will be a challenge to you all. For any of you to be in fear,
you lack a clear understanding most situations. We have observed that your world is at a most
confused point in your history and evolvement. We understand your remarkable drive and commitment
to being alive. We, however, are not in understanding of your need to create tools of death, expecting
that they will keep all in a space of understanding and peace * We observe that you build, create and
plan in a space of fear, not in a consciousness of love. Your defense positions and institutions that
create and employ are always in a state of unraveling and disintegration. We share this because they
drain you and your earth of energy, both spiritual and material. Fear always has to feed. Fear does
not create itself. The fear we observe is difficult to understand. It depletes you of your focus
on the original intent, and is very secretive energy. This is most saddening to see. How can you
share understanding and love, when so many of you are withholding from self and each other? Please
feel the words we as a race are trying to express to your race. One of your original intentions on
creating your physical reality is the idea of creating and learning to manipulate and express
yourselves in physicality using your consciousness. It is your consciousness that the Is-ness
has given you, and in fact all things that bear spirit. This is the gift that has been clouded by
fear. This creation is completely irrational to whom all of you are. We have come to understand
that withholding love only creates perpetual disintegration. We have discovered in your
galaxy ruins of vast races achieving recognition that have ceased to exist. They destroyed
themselves simply because they withheld love and drained the very life force out of their
intent, and imploded and destroyed their self-creation. The first projection of fear is denial.
Denial and fear result in the complete opposite of the reality it claims to be. Fear is based, from our
perspective, on a misunderstanding of ones own worth and security. We have discussed this
amongst ourselves about your race, and we have formed a perspective based on your history. Many of
your religions have helped and hurt this process. Many of your worlds beliefs have convinced many
people that they are simple creatures of nature. Your science teaches that your physical form is a
pool of chemicals thrown together by accident, so that you are all an accident ** You fear a God
whom a book says is a loving God, who will throw you into an abyss for making a mistake. Many on
your world have come to understand that in your world, the idea of fear is your enemy. All of you
struggle between the understanding and fear, reason and fear. This struggle is in no way predetermined, Alex. Our perception is that this struggle will either lead your world to peace and
responsibility, or to extinction as a race. This would grieve us.
* (Note: what he is talking about is the psychopathic dysfuntional Mutually Assured Destruction
political policy, and derivatives thereof)
**(Note: This is the legacy of material Darwinism were currently stuck with).
JR: How was this given to you?
AC: Physical. I wrote it down as his said it.
JR: How about intervention? You have pretty well laid out their view of it. It is free will. We still have a
chance. But, assuming we dont exercise that free will appropriately and we do slide over toward the
abyss. What about apparent intervention? There have been instances of count-down sequences being
stopped, both here and in the Soviet Union. Do you have any other examples?
AC: The frequency of the planet is being manipulated by technology of the advanced races.
On November 4, 1996, Moraney said, Alex, we have spoken to you in detail of your races genetic
transfers and reincarnation before. I will mention them again when necessary, because you path in
happiness depends on being able to obtain the truth. Yes, we are aware of the situation on your planet,
that your planet shows deviation off the right path in this sincerity period. If you would try to share
this moment in your planets evolution as a preparation for the investments which will be made in the

very near future for your races. Since the removal of conditions identity technology (?) , your evolution
is going at a faster pace. We have had to raise the frequency of your planet to move change and
enlightenment along. This also means the great test of tolerances will be caused by delusionary
discriminations between your peoples. At the present moment, your races are carrying in their DNA
genetics the influences of a thousand centuries, as you count rotations, for positive and negative
aspects. Please understand we are trying to prepare your races for advanced maturity. At
present moment, many transfers occur in your planet from many different cultures and planes. Each
member of the races on and in your planet will naturally exhibit their own mentality. They do, and will,
contradict your habitual cultures. But, please do not forget that we have told you about mental
conflicts that cause each to go through tests of maturity. We determine your mentality through the
impulse signals we receive from your races chains of thought. Now, the selection of man or woman in
the situations that they transcend are much more difficult because their preparation of the future is in
accordance with their levels of consciousness. There is no intercession. Whatever is created will
manifest itself. Alex, you cannot help all your races. Each member of your races will feel their essence
in the balancing of positive and negative if they have done it, and will be weighed in their own
consciousness. Those who prepare and invest will be prepared for the evolution to another
density. The continents of your planet are changing quickly.
JR: Now, they say that they have changed the vibratory frequency of the planet.
AC: They are changing it.
JR: The Andromedans are doing it?
AC: Theyre not the only ones. There are several groups that are working together.
JR: They would like to see us save the day.
JR: Email questions: We have request from Francis about the shape of the Andromedans eyes, what
color are they?
AC: Well, their eyes change color, depending upon their mood. But, theyre almond shaped, with pupils
just like we do, except that they change color.
(Break)
Caller: Its a pleasure to be listening to you tonight, and I can tell by the sound of your voice that you
are absolutely truthful. The concept of withholding love has been very painful to me. My conception of
the spiritual polarity thats happening seems to make it very hard to help people. My solution has to
been withdraw and be more discriminating, to heal through the inner planes, rather than through the
trenches. I would like to hear what you have to say about that.
AC: Well, I can only give you my own experience. You know, we are spiritual beings first. The
essence, the energy, the intent that we draw on to animate our bodies comes from a higher
plane. That is where we pull the energy from in the first place. Secondly, as far as holding love
goes, God, I have made a lot of decisions earlier in my life where I have withheld love, and I struggled
with trying to unconditionally give love without an attachment to it. That hasnt really worked a lot,
either, because I found people just take advantage of me. So, what I have done is that I have come to
the conclusion, just as you have, to be more selective about the people that are in my space. You
know, the Native Americans have a great thing. They will live with somebody for two winters before
they really adopt them into their family or tribe, because in close quarters you really get to know who

somebody is. I have become a real observer. I make sure that what people say and what they do are
the same thing.
JR: Becoming an active observer is different than withdrawing, because when you do put unconditional
love on the line, tragically with the polarization and some of the other things people have talked about,
you are going to get drained, whether you want to, or not, then you become ineffective. Some people
are toxic, from one end of the spectrum to the other.
Caller: Is the reptilian brain area in humans a transceiver to the reptilian race so they can
control us?
AC: I know where you are going with this question. Lets just say that it has made us more
susceptible to frequency control of our thoughts, and brainwashing. The truth is that when one
race conquers another, and this is what some extra-terrestrials have done, what they do is they come
in and genetically alter the race with their genetics. It changes not only the frequency of the physicality
of the race, but also of thought. The genetic manipulation has helped to give us the hemispheres we
have now. Our original ancestors did not have the same brain structure. That is a result of
the genetic manipulation.
JR: Heres an email from Stockholm, Sweden. The question is If we have been DNA-manipulated
throughout our history, then you could say intervention has already occurred. Wouldnt that be a
reason for them to make an open contact and heal their own interaction toward us?
AC: Yes, youre right. However, those that did the DNA manipulation are not the ones who are
willing to come forward and heal us. It is other races that are coming forward that are
trying to offer us an opportunity to survive because they feel that we have never truly had
an opportunity to evolve on our own. We have been manipulated from the beginning. They would
like us to at least have the opportunity to create and evolve on our own without being manipulated,
because of the incredible genetics we have and the extreme emotions we have. According to the
Andromedans, our DNA is the sum-total of 22 different races. Even though the ten strands of
DNA which our scientists call junk DNA exist, there is a sequence where these could be put back
together. We would be incredible and see a physical shift within a generation. Because of the 22
different genetics that cause the potential vibration of the DNA to be at such a high
frequency, we are literally able to travel to time travel and to literally create and
manifest things out of thin air if we could heal this part of our genetics.
JR: Are we going to take the negative baggage along with us? Should we make that genetic quantum
leap and get to a point where we could create things out of thin air?
AC: Yes. Apparently thats our future. Its not the end of the world, but it will be the end as we
currently know ourselves.
JR: Heres another email. Alex, are you saying that Earth is shifting into 4th density, and that people
who do not adjust their will, attention and orientation to Service to the Source, in contrast to Service
to Self, will be obliged to reincarnate into realms where 3rd density is operative?
AC: Its a tricky question, but its a great question. This is not in accordance with what has been
explained to me. Heres what I have been told. I have been told by the Andromedans that
there is a shift occurring in the entire universe, and that literally 3rd density, what we know
as 3rd density, is beginning to implode, and that our planet and a specific amount of people,
yet undetermined, will be moving through 4th into 5th density. According to the
Andromedan perspective, 4th density is consciousness. Insofaras what we think, what we
dream we are already in 4th density. Were going to be moving through that into 5th, and

that 3rd density is going to implode this is a natural progression that universes go
through. How this happens precisely, you and I will find out together, but this is what they
said.
JR: Theres another part to this email question, likewise, people who choose to move into 4th density
will they be able to remain with this planet?
AC: If they so choose. But, its all theory until it happens. I just want you to know, folks, that I am just
reporting the news.
JR: Are human souls/spirits reincarnated elsewhere other than the planet earth?
AC: My understanding is that specifically we reincarnate back on this planet until our
individual frequency reaches a specific level of unconditional oneness, and then we have a
choice to leave. But, I dont think that includes many people, because the planet is getting quite
crowded.
(Break)
Caller: Hello Alex. I have been reading your work for a couple years now. I have a couple of questions.
You mentioned that the Andromedans and others are changing the frequency of planet earth. This is
what they told you. Do you have any idea of the mechanism by which this could be done?
AC: Its holographic technology. Thats all I know about it. Since they are time travelers, I dont know if
theyve gone into the future and have taken a picture and brought that vibration back of who we are
in the future in order to move us in that direction sooner, or what theyve done. But, I suspect that is
what theyve done. They dont tell me everything.
Caller: You said that when you were on the ship, you had seen colors that we would not see here on
their clothing, and that they have colors that we dont experience. Were you able to see those colors?
AC: When Im with them, yes I do. Whenever I am with them, I have to wear a type of belt
when I go on board the craft, because they are of a higher frequency, or density, and my
understanding is that we live in a space where the color spectrum encompasses 72
frequencies. Where they are its 223 frequencies.
Caller: And this belt that you wear, does it change your vibrational frequency?
AC: Yes, but at the same time it keeps my molecules together so that my physicality does
not dissolve.
Caller: So the construction of your eye changes so that you can perceive those wavelengths.
AC: Yes. It has also helped me when I come back here.
JR: There is a residual after-effect?
AC: Yes, there is.
JR: How does it affect you?
AC: I see a lot of things around a lot of people.

JR: Auras and beyond?

AC: Yes.
JR: Can you read people?
AC: Im pretty good at it. Thats why my circle of friends is so small.
Caller: Will you be in the Seattle area?
AC: Maybe by the end of the year. It will be on the web page.
JR: Lets give that web page address, Alex.
AC: Ok, its www.trufax.org/collier/androm2.html , or you can just go to www.trufax.org and
look up the Andromedan Paradigm.
JR: Trufax is t-r-u-f-a-x. Thats a very fascinating web site.
AC: Its expensive and the man who has created and put it together is Val Valerian.
JR: Ive had Val on the show in the past, and he is due to come back at some point.
AC: Hes a fascinating guy.
JR: Talk about somebody with a full mind. Just loaded.
JR: Ok, next up is Ralph in Portland, Oregon.
Caller: I wanted to ask about the proliferation of life in the universe why the Earth is so important to
other beings. Is it because life is quite rare? Or is it that other beings like to mess with lower life
forms?
AC: Well, the norm has been the latter. It all depends on the particular species. But, no, to be honest
with you, Ralph, life is prevalent everywhere. Its just that we are extremely unique because of all our
genetics, and because we are a spirit as well, attached to it, they consider us royalty we are the
only race that has all these genetics locked up into our physicality.
JR: We are the Heinz 57 of the universe.
Caller: This kind of leads to another question. Our spiritual or religious ideas about having a God, or
Creator is there any truth to any of those stories, and is there any one religion that most closely
resembles reality as you know it.
AC: No. When you say stories, are you referring to the Bible?
Caller: Most of the major religions acknowledge some sort of absolute Creator. Even the Hindu or
Buddhist acknowledge this.
AC: The Andromedans acknowledge that there is something. They call it the Is-ness,
because something originally created the space and the levels of dimension so that we could
evolve into them.

Caller: What about the beings that claim that theyre incarnations of the God essence?
AC: Like who?
Caller: Well, like Jesus or Mohammed, or the Buddha.
AC: Those stories have been taken entirely out of context from the actual people who spoke those
words. Many of those stories are fictitious. They are composite stories. They were stories that were
created, basically, to create a religion. I once asked Vasais what our future was as a race. This is the
answer he gave to me: Responsible freedom of self-determination, becoming truly self-confident and
free to unconditionally be responsible for oneself, without being coerced to accept some higher
authority.
JR: Or, dominated by your fellow man.
Caller: Thats kind of the creed I like to go by. Its mans need to humanize the spiritual realm through
which we create these stories.
JR: Its amazing how many religions deal with the fear-factor to keep people in line. Alex touched on
that earlier.
Caller: There is a lot of talk about previous civilizations people that built the pyramids, an ancient
race. Is there anything along that line you were told about?
AC: There have been many on this planet. For millions of years it was a way station, an outpost,
for many races that were exploring the galaxy. They would come to this planet and gather the water to
take with them. In many cases, they even left animal life here. That is why, if you look at our
fossil record, most of the life that we have on this planet shows up fully formed. There is no
in-between. Thats because it was brought here.
JR: There have been many programs on that. Alex Collier is my guest, and well take our next break.
(Break)
JR: This is from Derrick in Oregon. He says, could you ask Alex to elaborate on the plasma beings that
are making the crop formations?
AC: I dont really know much about them. Thats not information that they have been willing
to share, other than to say that the crop circles involve 5th dimensional geometry that
contains an extensive amount of language and knowledge. They have said that the
messages are not necessarily for us, but for those extra-terrestrials who are in the planet.
JR: So, were eavesdropping on those communications?
AC: Well, theyre letting us see them. There are a lot of responsibilities concerned with awakening a
planet as shut-down as we are. How do you enlighten and encourage a planet to self-educate itself
without making them think its their own idea?
JR: Without completely disrupting everything. As human beings, are we being left to swing in the
wind?

AC: No. Let me ask you something. The government creates a war. You have a choice to fire it, wear
the uniform, etc. As far as the Andromedan perspective, they try and stress that we are still making
decisions and that we have to be responsible for those decisions, even though other situations are
being created which appear to be out of our control. Another example. Our government. By the people,
for the people. We have not managed our government, and now we are close to completely loosing the
country, and everybody sits home and watches TV and does nothing. Thats a choice. We still have a
responsibility, even though we have been controlled and manipulated, we are still making
decisions to go along with the program.
(Break)
JR: Heres another email question. Alex, ever since I heard you on the Art Bell Show on July 21st, all I
can think about is what youve said. I have done research on what youve said, and I now find it
difficult to carry on with everyday tasks, because I am so absorbed with all these new ideas.
Everything like going to work and paying bills seems trivial what for? I ask. I am trying to cope with
how making more money will enlighten my soul. How do you cope with the everyday stuff like this?
AC: It is not easy. I battle with this every day. In fact, Im in corporate America and Im so thoroughly
disgusted with the hypocrisy. None of it makes sense to me either, and I wish I had a genie and an
Aladdins lamp and could change it all, but I dont. Im stuck here trying to survive like everybody else.
My frustration is having a completely different perspective, and trying to balance it. I have some good
days and some not-so-good days. I keep striving to find the balance in all of it and try not to take it all
so personally. Its difficult. Very difficult.
Caller: Hello, one of the callers was charging that religions were sort of an alien plot, and that they
were responsible for all the destruction on the planet. I think you have to make a distinction between
classical religion and other kinds of religion. Classical religions raised human culture to very beautiful
and satisfying levels. Apocalyptic religion, of course, is a planet-killer. Its just swept through various
civilizations and destroyed them.
JR: A good example of religions dark side is Pat Robertsons statement that anyone who believes in
extraterrestrials should be stoned to death. That pretty much sums it up.
Caller: My question is do you think that apocalypse, which I dont see as either a divine or nature
event, but as a construct, a rhetorical machine, is an alien plot, because it has done more to destroy
human culture then anything else I can think of?
AC: Well, I have two thoughts on that. Maybe in the past, yes. Now, in the present time, I think the
combined consciousness is enough to create that, and they we could do it ourselves. They have led us
to this place, through all these manipulations, and now we are in a position to literally take ourselves
out. The question is, will we?
Caller: It appears to me that we have people out there cranking up the apocalypse, working for
aliens, interdimensional beings, or what?
JR: We also have the self-fulfilling prophecy.
Caller: The messiah effect. What you prophesy comes true, because this thing is front-loaded with the
values which make the predictions come true. So, its a construct, and it doesnt seem human.
Historians have said that this drops in so unexpectedly. Theres no cultural precedent for the
apocalypse. It drops in about 1000 B.C. and its in-human. Its like a computer program.

AC: The end of the world is not coming. The year 2000 is not the end of the world. We do go on. Its
not our destiny.
(Break)
Caller: What about the concept that an apocalypse is a way to get rid of the undesirable elements on
the planet? Part of this is based on what Vance Davis, one of the Gulf Breeze Six, brought up, that the
overall process is actually going to take place over the next thousand years through an advanced
development of the human species.
JR: Maybe another way to phrase this is, since evil has such a stranglehold, is there another way, other
than to fight evil, just to get to a better place?
AC: Let me just say that basically evil does not have absolute reign here any longer.
Intervention has been occurring all the time, even though we dont see it on a physical level.
As far as the idea of a thousand years, I am told that between now and the year 2013 we
are going to see absolutely incredible changes in our own humanity, and that the entire
process has been sped up.
Caller: The species itself?
AC: The species, the vibration. We are going to be making this leap by 2013. Exactly how many people
are going to be on the planet, I dont know. The last time I asked that question was four years ago,
and at that time the answer was 450 million.
JR: 450 million out of 6 billion.
AC: Well, that was several years ago, but again it depends on consciousness.
Caller: So, more or less this whole process was aimed at civilizations spiritual development.
AC: To hold us back. It was meant to hold all of us back the manipulation.
Caller: What about the fly-over that is going to happen in the next six months.
AC: Well, according to Moraney, they were going to force the issue, and they are planning to do a
daytime fly-over around the world, sometime during the day when everybody would see it.
JR: That would force the issue, wouldnt it?
AC: That would force the issue.
JR: Do they have to clear this with anyone?
AC: My understanding is that they are all contemplating it together. They all will share responsibility for
what happens. I know that they are looking at many probable scenarios of what will happen.
JR: There is a great fear about the recognition and reality of an ET presence here. In the last two
generations, we have seen our young people literally inundated with ET related items. One wonders
what their response will be. The Mexicans dealt with things flying over Mexico City by the thousands
for the last seven years.

AC: Most of the world is going to be pretty open to it. Its America that Im worried about. The extreme
religious folks who think these guys are the devil, and its just not the case.
Caller: You said that there will be a shift in the entire universe, and that well go through the 4th into
the 5th. What happens to the animals during this time? All the flora and fauna. What happens to the
other races who are living on or in the earth at that time?
AC: Well, I dont know about the other races. I know that there are some other races that
are here, living inside the planet, that are being given a choice some kind of an alternative
to leave the planet or stay with it. The regressive ETs that are here, many of them have
tried to time-travel out of here. Those portals are being shut down. They are not being
allowed to escape. They are going to be held accountable for what they have done. That I
can tell you. That is why so many races are here trying to help sort this out. As far as the
plants and the animals are concerned, I am told that much of the extinction that is occurring
involves a situation where they are already moving to that place that what we know as
Earth in the 5th density is already there a space has already been created for them. They
are transitioning to that place. That is what extinction means. It means that they are no
longer present here as an intent. They have moved to another space.
JR: Do animals have souls, Alex?
AC: Yes, mostly everything has spirit. But, no everything has spirit. There are certain extra-terrestrial
races that have the ability to clone and create life forms that spirit will not attach to. Essentially, they
are robots of a sort. They are run by organic microprocessors, and they are basically like walking,
talking computers clones. They dont have spirit.
JR: As corny as this may sound, let your friends know they are welcome on this program. If they are
speaking through you, they are welcome to continue to do that.
AC: I will certainly pass your message on.
JR: For all of our listeners who agree or disagree with you tonight, I think you made a very eloquent
presentation. Certainly something very logical and pragmatic to consider for all people around the
world.
JR: One last email question. Alex, could you talk about the greys that are here bagging and tagging
humans, who are being claimed as property by the race from Niburu? I am an abduction experiencer
with a triangular mark from my abduction by the greys last February.
AC: Well, what they are doing is implanting people in order to track genetic lineage. They are
tagging them with implants for a future scenario which may or may not occur. I hope it
doesnt occur. This is where they would take these people off-planet because they are of a specific
genetic lineage that certain extra-terrestrials believe they have a right to own. Prejudice is an extraterrestrial perspective. We were taught this behavior a long time ago.
JR: Thank you, Alex. We will get you back on here in a couple weeks.