.

CLASSIFEDMESAGE
-:

"

4rouriNG

:DIRECTOR

TO
FROM

EE

ADOPI Cl i Cf/OFS,

INFO

n, F-1/;iir 2,

VR

CONFIDENTIAL 051157Z
FRAN INFO

BONN

DIR CITE

ii

1t4I 8018
tio 63.1t15.546:6

CATIDE
REF

UTILITY

:1\-AY4:1'13

MUNI . 7972 (

-;;;:settI,S.'; PLANS FOR

BE ABLE . DETERMINE

IN BONN ALL THIS WEEK. NE WILL NOT

4t, cm/do

a MEETING PRIOR 11. NOVEMBER.

, Co N F IDE*- NT IAL
cis

0440#:.

.
3 SCIOMULED VISIT BORN ON ME FIFlEENTH
-.

.
t

-.

.9.ttUs If.t

EflAN41
S

: II . AZ.IWAR CR
ITATE 2 .005

ELEASEff:
A Cr'

lifEt BISCIASUAI At 1

.IS:!"

'AUTOMATIC COIN.,EXCI.LEDE.. F
GRAD ING: g44, DECLASSiF I CATION.
No
. cwitE
REPROOLICTIONISY:014E'issutria
.
. t' PROHIBITED ... Copy
,_;

CLA4:51FIEb MOSAGE .

$EGEt

:..*%:-fic

t DIRECTOR
FROM s CONN
ACTIONI EE.
lis1FO

AMP, CI, 170-03071, FIT MT 2, WE It;

VR

..............
R E T 081305Z .
. .
.
. ,.

'MUNI INFO DIR FRAN . CITE BONN 5493 )1::

tATI DE . . ::

:go
. .. 63 iti5;72.,
- ,..:t.,
,:.REF MUNI Mg I //-i .56-4/6 ea.: d' ...
... ,
...
.
. .
..:.
. .
,f - .I ti. VIEW. FACT :1THAT C
' AND c
BOTH LONDON THIS WEEK,.
. .-..

f.:.fiEtti.i'S ... POShili.E;. UTILITY

MAY BE THERE - TOO:

::
I .
,-*;
.-4% . 1' '

tf;

1:."2;
I

1":;.1Z:1=.0

!:*
rijO t:fr'f
41:4 iir.it:'111.1

rote

:RES03CiOUCT1ON Y OptERAHAN THEISSUiN.0 OFFia IS PROHINTED

 CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

."'441.

SECRET081423Z

.DIR FRAN. INFO BONN CITE MUNI 8045

'
CATIDF.

63in

57234

'"

UTILITY WILL BE IN MUNICH 14 AND 15 NOVEMBER AND CAN SEE

EIT4VDAY BUT HE WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE 16T H. HE WILL BE

IN BONN
.

18TH BUT WE

*2-

REALIZE
THIS NOT CONVENIENT C._ .- 3 SCHEDULE,
. ,

SEC RE'T

."

:;*

-: r:

T4

-.

.11

:ibes

6Tfil
2-005

. .

MO....::tE1;.P:A

Ev.P.)

o-' h.

HES D / S
.. CL:05-0

R. E.': ./d
A

oovr I

4..., 0.1
6.401.....

REPROOtid1ON. 'CY.;
.
,

.:rHAN:TH.1 issUING,OrtiC.4s.P.Roforra)..

Colrif No.

ROUTING

SECRET

41

,
TO

('-

: DIRECTOR

Q-/-1

FRANKIURT

. FROM

(...e)

5I

ACTION 1 EE 6
CI, Cl/013 S, Fl, Fl/!NT 2, YR

INFO

091032Z

MUNI BRLN BONN !IAMB

INFO DIR CITE

U.

3u579S9

FRAN 7)152 '

iCATI DE

fEF \ MUNI 8045 (NOT SENT HAMB BRLN:6 N5-7 7' .?ti)
1
1. VIEW REF MORNING 12 NOVEMBER RESERVED FOR CHIEF HOB
ASSOMPTION

CHIEFS

MLB

ft. -11.c.)

AND MOB WILL COMPLETE THEIR BRIEFINGS

IN MUNI.
2. [REVISED SCHEDULE AS FOLLOwS:
A.

DEPART FRAN 13 NOV LH 096 2045 HOuRS, ARR MUNI 2150.

B.

DEPART MUNI 15 NOV

C.

DEPART COLOGNE 15 NOV PA 642 1930

LH

126 0745

HOURS,

ARR COLOGNE 0900.

HOURS, ARR

BRLN 2100.

V. DEPART BRLN 17 NOV PA 663 0845 HOURS; DEPART - FRAN VIA

SWISS AIR

205 FOR

ZURI 1100 HOURS,

ARR

ZURI 1150.

SECRE.T

#ECLASSIFIER AND R ELEASED Di'

CENTRAL ffj.70
MIENCI

500RCEGM ET4003EXEEPI ION 3021

NAZI WAR . CR IKES al SCLOSURE
BATE 2005

AC1

SECRET
REPRODUCTION BY OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS .PROMBITED

04000 1
111.1.41 Inn
firemr90.1 e.1

Copy No.

Extract from
Att. to
EGMA-633U
14 Novenibei 63,

asked UTILITY when he would be

4. U.S. Trip: c
coming to the States again and noted that there was still an
open invitation. UTILITY replied that in view of governmental
changes in Bonn, he expects to be very busy for the next six
months and cannot consider a trip until the Summer of 1964..

DECLASS IF I ED AND RELEASED 9-Y

CENTR IL I NTELL 16 EN CE AG [NCI
SOUIZES METHODSEXEMP T I ON

3BZE

NAZI WAR CR IMES DI SCLOSLIRE AC1

DATE 2005

Gehlen 201

C[A SSF' MESSAGE

tarmac;

SECRET
o

4
2

NRECTOR

: Rom

DEL ASS IF I ED AND RELEASED

DY
CENTRAL IN TELLIGENCE
AGENC)
SOURCES METHODS EXEMPT ION 302E

KmicH

karolvi

C/EE 3

Nro

AP, cicl ,. c/FI 2, cir l/ In 2, c/AF 3,.C/

ECR

NAZ I WAR CRIMES el SCLOSURE.ACI

3, YR CATE 2005

r 1514361

1.

Dui 155

1.40 BONN CITE NMI 8133

KAPOK . CAtLDE
L:

14

'-tELD CORDIAL TWO HOUR MEET WITH UTILITY AND ALIAS HOLM'

tru2.2,,

UTILITY FRIENDLY AND EXPANSIVE. SOME SUBJECTS

Lass
Niamma

NOVEN3E.R.

COVERED

EGA

tZ=1W

SEPARATE TELETAPES. DETAILED

MEMO OF CONVERSATION BY POUCH

'

63.SSIS. FOLLOWING ITEMS OF POSSIBLE CURRENT INTEREST:

A.

.UTILITY DOES WIT PLAN VISIT

WASHINGTON

DURING NEXT

su

MONTHS.
Es. IT PREFERABLE ODYOKE NOT MAKE ANY

STATEMENTS

C&NCERNING

cA)-JD;.-.. INVOLVEMENT C ALLI KA X BUT IF REPLY TO OFF IC IL GERMAN IN.QUIRItS

REQUIRED STATE.v,ENT SHOULDREFER CATIDE EXTERNAL INTEL MISSION Ail])
CATOL: OVOLVENQiT CALLIKAX
IF

BASED ON

NEWT

TATI

141S-t,

1 POSITION EGOA- 20796 ON

' DETAILS TELETAPED EG25A.

C-

cmar.

SHOULD BE THIS DONE . THROU61H OFFICE CATIDE

C. .

AMERICANS,

MT WHICH ARRANGEMENTS

IT NECESARY. TO. REFF.R

F ER LEVEL
.

JOINT OPS WITH

-I WELL RECEIVED.

63355.

.,

D.. UTILITY PROVIDING REPORT CONCERNING SOVIET ORIENTATION MANY

PERSO',

s CREEK GOV7. WE WILL FORWARD REPORT ATHENS FOR

E. UTILITY

_7

C.:

NOT SATISFIED. CAT1DE COVERAGE TECHNICAL DEVELOP-

(.

-irmisrrwu2,-2,cz

tECamr
,roccawatocto.ac mot ;Kw

Ag43. 0ortz

FP

...
F2:1"24Na

CATIDE TAKEOVER IONOSPHERIC-INSTITUTE GREISACH SURFACED.)

3E2: EGA 63421 FOR

IOVULVED SINCE
G. :

C-

PREVIOUS' INFO. UTILITY INTIMATED FREKH CLOSELY

THEY ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED .INSTITUTE.

.

.
.
BE TRANSFERRED FROM IRAQ. TO

AORO;CO.
S EC

' ....

. 1

..

:;.. --.... .

''.:1:2' . ? - '
:

...,..,

Ll. :;Z...k.:,.
-:.I X

.,

7 . - - :I.?

. :

i-..).....i. : : ..

r.

:-

. ,

... .. ...... .

-0-,.."11'

4,Y\

r.

..
.2.
-.....

11

X'0, : ' :::::1:-...: :.1.:7"

e#000
:n ...

W ;:';'. .... 4 ..

..:- .

'

, .

*. %Li

;1:: \

;"'

V.

s.;

...,

..1
......"

.-

4".'imm

:-.N.:
:,:j
... .,1

....

g:Z2

.t.:-f-Lill,:.a.!
:: r:- T 7. , .LY:J r

....
mosimg

. .

I .7' .:::

Caitit
Mal ...

.:

.': ...............;?,;..

(=a

.-

't : ";

..--''
... - (=Calif

... :.

. .

t.3!

:-

A:. 4

.2j6J1
IXZE.
.

....:..:',?.,,,..

.. -

. ....
, ...,..,
...-qi
.

t!'

DISPATCH

CLASSIFICATION

PROCESSING ACTION

SECRET

TO

HARKED FOR INDEXING

. .
_

CHIEF, EE
INFO.

NO MOLTING REQUIRED

CHIEF MUNICH LIAISON BASE__

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

FROM

CAN JUDGE INDEXING

_

CHIEF OF STATION, GERMANY

SUBJECT

MIICRMUA

E/CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED
CAT-ID

REFERENCES

PLEASE BUY AND POUCH TO ME VOLUME

ENTITLED "TREASURES OF THE

MET
ROPOLITAN
MUSEUM OF ART." I PLAN TO GIVE IT TO UTILITY FOR
C HRISTMAS.
.

BECLASS/TIE0

AND

RELEASEQ BY

INTELLIGENCE

AfiENCI
.6.011.7CES1(ETHOOSEXEMPT 10N
11.411 CR I
3B2E
MES in
SCLOSURE
LATE. 2005
AC1

NO I

DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
2-EE
2-MLB

GROUP 1
Excladttl tram tolvollic
dorarradied mg
litchi:Mc:1110a

CROSS

R E F ERENCE TO
DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGOT-21083
CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

DATE

18 NOV 63
HQS FILE NUMBER

DISPATCH

___....

ausincATtori

.....tROCESSING ACTION

SECRE T
HARKED FOR INDEXING

TO.
_

C HIFF OF

STATUAL

NO INDEX ING REQUIRE ()

U RNANY_

INFO.

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

CH I

EL

MUN.I..C_H

CAN MOGI INDEXINCI

_L.I.A.10.N.__B AS E _____ ._.

FROM

CHIEF,

EE

MICROFILM

SUBJECT

CATIDE)CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR UTILITY

ACTION RCQUIlsro REFERENCES

18 NOVEMBER

EGOT-2/083,

1963

THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART DOES NOT HAVE A BOOK ENTITLED

"TREASURES OF THE METROPOLITAN

MUSEUM OF ART", BUT THEY DO .

HAVE ONE ENTITLED "GREAT PAINTINGS FROM THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM

THE NATIONAL GALLERY OF ART HAS A BOOK ENTITLED

OF ART".

"TREASURES OF THE NATIONAL GALLERY OF ART"..

WISH US TO PURCHASE?

OECLASS

AND RELEASED DI
AGENCI .
I.P.s.E7!,ETRODSEXENPT ION 382E
I. 21W ,R CR IMES DI SCLOSURE
AC)
E 2005

CA1. 1 .:.

DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE

,.

WHICH BOOK DO YOU

IF. I ED
H:

ELL)GENCE

2COS/G
7. -+ILB

'

:', 11
W
.:.1.131

'--..

r,-- ,

.9. ,(6:1eQ-, - ilok- \---.

I
.
CROSS REFERENCE TO

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGOS-13140
.

CLASSIFICATION

DATE

'

19 NOV.E.LIFIE R 1963
HQ S FILE HUMBER

SECRET
_____

D IS PAT C H I ,

PROCESSING
ACTION
.................................--

E C R cLEA"T icAnc

WAKED FOR INDEXING

TO

CHI EF
INFO.

EE

ND INDEXING REQUIRED

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

CHI EF , MLB

CAN MOGI INDEXING

FROM

CH 1 EF OF STATION,GERMANY

SUBJECT ...

IKIELOrtlit

... :. CkftDE/CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED

REFERENCES

- ::. EGOS- 13140 DATED

19 NOVEMBER

1963

ASSUME ''GREAT PAINTINGS FROM METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART'

IS BOOK WE WANT.
DIFFICULT REMEMBER EXACT TITLE. RELY ON YOUR
JUDGMENT AND THAT OF , C .1 IN PURCHASING THIS AS APPROPRIATE
c:
GIFT FOR UTILITY.
.3 REMEMBERS IT AS BEING EXCEPTIONALLY
HANDSOME VOLUME.

c...1
DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
2 - CHIEF, LE
2 - C/MLB

t.

4..;;::..

N4.
,
tifeL

AIS Off Ell Akre

;pf- L ,

RELE

etNTRI4

4,,,..

0.4

tt.

-...,'
;
&. 1.4%
:2,
;;,..:

AS"

I'

..:(4:.;1?

illICEt;

lial

. 113" i
WAR i4E1
cti imu
7:T" I AGENC1
)EXEMP
lory 302A$4,,;:"..;%
4&
J D 1

tiATE 2005

SCLOSUPE 4,Wf'.:
A

..,

tliS
t
t6
. ...0t
41.P.
t.c,..,
- 7, 4..o.-1,.,
4. ''

. .......

1.

oise&TcH smsot. &No NUNOER

CROSS REFERENCE TO

C A

MU?

I
Erauded from automatic
g otintodlq &ad
dednxille..u/oa

/ .

DATE

PMPER-63
Is fttl.t

ICATION

SECRE.T

ORIGINATING

OFFICE , .

.. .

. COORDINATING

..

ma

OFf MEWS NAME

DATE

STMOOL

Ext.

. IYNiss

oFFiCR
E. . .
.

RELEASING
014ICE STMDOI.

OFFICER'S SIGNATURE

DATE

(40)

,13" 53
tl

USE PREVIOUS EDITION.

_

_.

...._

't. l'

-44

....................

CIASS;i:IED

SECRET 1
DMECTOR

r
"

ROM C 3

cr10N 1

. EC

(EE NOTIFIED AND co

. cl ,

cca 3,

py

iSSuED AT: 1205 27 Nov .0J)

rl, rliftd I, NO,

YR

al tic./63u168.938

SECRET2-/101.52

PR

IORITY FRAN INFO

RIORITY MUNI DIR CITE ,C

.37603
1. FtECI JEST MUNI A
RRA1 ICE c
CALL ON UTILITY 30 NOV . TO
DISCUSS CRITICAL COLLECTION
P ROBLEMS IN UAR.

I .

3, ATTEMPTING
CONTACT

.3 ON

A
AR

RRANGE TRAVEL VIA FRAN 28

3. REQUEsT MINI MAKE

RES

SE

.0R

NOV. WILL

ERVATION BAYER ISCHERHOF 29 AND 30

,. NOV.
-.

4:29

RIVAL. .

4:4/.:PiTt ACTION UNIT

D TERMINED As TFICUoli IPOICATCR
NYX1S

DECLA.S.IFIE-D

.4N0

RELEASED

ilEi'441,5-SEXE.11.

11;J:ESpi

AGENlic,

ION 392
SCLOS.URE
4C1

,sacArr 1

EPRODUCTION SY OThelt MAN De MLitt ,* Offla iiritOfilitITED

4.110.*
*pm...L., LW
tritr"nr.rP

Coo.. Ho.

7" I

.!

27

MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence

29

VIA:

Deputy Director (Plans)

SUBJECT:

Condolences from General Gehlen

On the Death of President Kennedy

1.

, .3

This memorandum is for your information.

_
2. At 1600 hours on 22 November 1963'
the West German Intelligence Service Liaison
Officer in Washington, called Chief, EE/Germany to advise that
hehad just received a cable from General Reinhard Gehlen,
President of the West German Intelligence Service, expressing
General Geh3.en t s personal condolences at the untimely death
of President Kennedy.

Acting Chief
Eastern Europe Division
DECLASSIF I ED AND RELEASED BY
CENTRAL I NTELLIGENCE AGENn
SOURCES METHODS EXEMPT ION 3B2E
NAZI WAR CR IMES DI SCLOSURE ACI
DATE 2005

."-.. .... ! 1
I Er:!:-::'::::
1"--r

DIST ATC:

cLAssir.CAnal

PROCO5$ING ACTION

SECRET,

NARKED Mt INDEXING

TO

INFO.

CHIEF OF STATION. GERMANY

- _ . _ -

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

ONLY QUALIFIED DM

CHIEF. MUNICH LIAISON BASE

CAR JIJDGE INDEXING

FREW

CHIEF. EE

MIUMW

SUBJECT

CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED REIERENCES

EGOT-21118
FORWARDED HEREWITH IS ONE COPY "GREAT PAINTING FROM THE
METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART" AS REQUESTED IN REFERENCE.

-a

DECLASS IF I ED AND
RELEASED BY
CENTR I N 16 EN CE AGENC)
SDU ?E,';4ED
T IITO
NAZI W.1R CR
ELSL EXEMPT ION 392E
I
DATE
MES DI SCLOSURE AC1
2005

ATTACHMENT VIA AIR POUCH

BOOK
DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
W/ATT

2 , MLB

CROSS REFUTE

W/0 ATT

SiCiPlIS Ste ts sIV.mata

DISPATCH

4)".

svmsot. AND NUMBER'

dosasgd113 Sad
d3class111011se

DATE

EGOS-13i8 j,

2 DECEMBER 1963
HOS

rtt.0 NUMBER

SECRET
OR

1-RI
1-EE/G/1
2-EE/G/CE'''

OFFICER

TYPIST

COORDINATING
orrICL SYMBOL

OAT,.

ormen s tioon

RELEASING.
OFTICE SYMBOL

?,r 53

USE PREVIOUS

tomom

DATE

(40)

oFprrope

Clolk111 I Or

I DISPATCH

OICLAIMIMICIAHLEASE0 BY
CENTRAL WEW0ENCE AGENC)
.
- 2 DECEMBER 19610MESME11 013 EXEMPT I ON 3821
AZ I WAR CR IMES 01 SCLOSURE AC1.

SECRET
NOTES FROM FIELD TRIP 19 NOVEMBER
SUBJECT!

GEHLEN and The BND

fAil 2005

1. As it turned out, the weekend stopover in Munich provided

the opportunity for a longer and more relaxed conversation with
GEHLEN than I have had in many years. Our first conversation was
in the familiar setting (originally Martin Borman's bedroom and
for seven years my office) of his office, starting at . half... oast
three on the 29th of November when I was accompanied by it1' had
.3 At GEHLEN's suggestion. I stayed on after C
I who was recovering from a
Loparted in order to visit CI.
series of two operations following a ccmplicated case of appendi'citis. GEHLEN's driver (16 years in this capacity on the coming
27th of February) delivered me to my hotel in Munich after six and
picked me up at twelve noon on Saturday the 30th to spend Saturday
fternoon with GEHLEN and his family at home in BergiStarnberger See.
2. My specific purpose in seeing GEHLEN was taken care of
in less than, thirty minutes on the first afternoon, and was
limited exclusively to a discussion of the operational environment
in the UAR, the nature of the very high priority USSR technical
targets.in Egypt, our estimate of the access enjoyed by Germans
o critical targets, and a proposal that our cooperation in this
'-ea (the targets are all critical for the NATO Forces_in_Europe)
intensified. I brought him best wishes from . $alah . Na.sir in
- 17o: we talked very briefly about the Middle East situation.
3. Because.much of what Gehlen had to say about Germany,
the new Government, his own problems and the European situation
seemed to me to fall into.the category of information with which
my colleagues in Germany are familiar, I have not attempted to
reconstruct our conversation in detail; instead I attempted to set
down the more important impressions and some of the specifics
which relate to them. MY preparation for discussing things German
or European consisted of a weekend conversation in Athens with
C.27 who described hi g recent exchange with GEHLEN, a
dinner conversation with Gordop Stewart in Frankfurt on the 28th
of November (travelling from Cairo to Munich via Frankfurt in
order to see Stewart in advance of my own meeting with GEHLEN),
immediately after
and a hurried luncheon conversation with L
my arrival in Munich.
GEHLEN
4. Until I left Munich in 1956, GEHLEN gave almost his entire
time and energy to the task of getting the BND established and
:ccepted by Bonn. He took no vacations; he had no avocations;
even his responsibilities as the Head of his family were discharged
in a brusk and efficient manner in the rare minutes he could alloca.t.c
for this purpose. Indeed, the pressures that resulted:from his wife
and children sharing the house in which he had his office in the
late 'forties were such that I had conspired with . his staff to
acquire a modest Bavarian house near Berg on the Starnberger See
in which his family could be installed,
.7 and
5. When I departed from Munich in 1956
, C
joined me in interesting GEHLEN in buying the 22 foot,
mahogany hull sailing yawl with a 15 square meter mansail which

SECRET
I had owned during all of my years in Munich. Although GEHLEN
had never sailed, the proximity of the Starnberger See to his
home, and the fact that his children were reaching the age when
sailing would be appealing to them, resulted in his purchasing my
boat for DM 700. An afternoon with GEHLEN and his family confirms reports that GEHLEN has become an avid sailor, a member of
the Ammer See Yacht Club, a designer of experimental rigging,
and the owner of three sailing craft - my old conservative "M"
class boat which has been reconditioned and has the appearance
of a new boat, a smaller "H" class yawl which is the most
popular ( and very sporting ) racing class in Germany's inland
lakes and, finally, a larger and heavier British boat with twin
keels, a small cabin and an auxiliary motor. The British boat,
also in magnificent condition, was on a trailer in the rear of
GEHLEN's home covered over with a polyethelene cover. It is this

boat that GEHLEN and his family moved - from the Chiem See to Starnberger See and to the Ammer See. GEHLEN has found a more or less
retired boat builder in Starnberg who, I would guess, spends much
of his time making minor modifications on GEHLEN's boats. Sailing
and his three boats has apparently provided the outlet for
GEHLEN's insuppressible interest in gadgetry; I observed that
the 1963 Mercedes 220 has remained relatively "stripped down".
GEHLEN confided that he is looking forward with interest to the
annual British boat show in London in January 1964.
6.
GEHLEN has aged little in the recent years. He seemed
to have a vigorous appetite. Perhaps he smokes fewer cigars. As
always, he does not drink alcohol in any form. A noticeable
limp is, I learned, the result of a recent twisting of the leg in
the "H" yawl, and neither gout nor the circulatory problems that
one might suspect. He has obviously sunk his roots into the little
village of Berg. In contrast to former years, he seems to have
lost his inhibitions about acknowledging his residence there.
Aside from the usual trained German Shepherd watch dog, there
were no signs of unusual security arrangements. In a mOst non-.
chalant manner (no dark glasses) he took me to lunch in the small
"Strand" hotel a few hundred yeard below his home, pleasantly
exchanging greetings with the proprietor and several other guests
in the small dining room. In response to my expressed admiration
for the unchanged beauty and tranquility of the area surrounding
Berg and his home, he replied, "I have become attached to it. 'I
have no other desire than to remain here until the day I die."

THE GEHLEN CLAN

7. I found Catherine temporarily living with her two
children in the house adjoining GEHLEN's home. It is a leased
property; the housekeeper is the widow of a deceased ex-colonel
of the BND; the house normally serves as a guest house for GEHLEN's
visitors who qualify for this kind of neighborly treatment.
Christoph, having married the attractive daughter of Georg
BUNTROCK (one of the original six who saw the end of.the war with
GEHLEN in the mountain hut above Schliersee),. joined us later in
the afternoon. He has become a tall, surprisingly poised and

rather, attractive young man nearing the end of his formal training
as a physicist. Although he now lives near Pullach. he and his new
wife figure prominently in the photographic record. Of the sailing
during the previous summer. Maria Theresa, the second eldest
daughter, has upset her father's plans to send her to us for a
period of education in the U.S.A., by becoming engaged to an

"acceptable young man". She was sent off to Sweden (under the
influence of her cousin from Rome whose mother is Swedish) and
SECRET

SECRET
successfully completed her interpreter's examinations in
Swedish after her return. GEHLEN has living in his household
Giovanni's daughter (the cousin from. Rome) and a young nephew
of nineteen who is convalescing from a heart operation. Peter,
another nephew who was a worry to GEHLEN some years back, has
emerged as a promising officer in the Bundeswehr. I was impressed
throughout the afternoon that all of the young people remotely
connected with GEHLEN have gone far in studying foreign languages.
I remarked to GEHLEN that the young German general staff officer
who had avoided foreign travel and the study of foreign languages
in the 'twenties and 'thirties as a means of avoiding intelligence
*staff duties had indeed gone far astray from the course he plotted
for himself. As his children grow up, marry and the size of the
clan grows, as he has gradually come to think of his home on the
.Starnberger See as a new-home for an up-rooted Pomeranian family;
and finally, as the members of his family find their personal and
official life ever more interrelated, the GEHLEN family has gradually taken on the complexion of a clan. Catherine spoke of family
excursions with the several sailboats meeting in the small cove in
the southside of the Roseninsel as if it were an established pattern.

THE
8. L.
has told me after each of his visits to Germany
in the past' year that he had found the effect of this case on
our , relations with the END to be greater than he had believed.
I have gotten this Same impression from several other people
during recent months-. When the matter came up, as I had assumed.
it would, I recounted to GEHLEN a recent conversation with Dick
Helms in which he spoke most warmly and unequivocably on the END
and GEHLEN. At the . same time, Helms had put the matter in context
of the ups and downs of the U.S. and German relations in the past
few years, the narrow political margin in which both GEHLEN and we
..must operate in our respective countries, and the impact of press
attacks which take a fragment of near truth and develop from it
full-blown press exposes of the most damaging character.
9.
After making this point, I thanged the subject, by drawing
from my pocket newspaper clippings giving an account of my youngest
brother who,'as a Student in Innsbruck had been a house guest of
the GEHLENs, and had earlier known Catherine when she was a student
in New York. I'had written a personal note to Catherine on the
margin of a clipping and asked him to kindly pass it to her with my
best wishes. I think it was at this point that he made the decision
to ask me to openly call
_ . _:)who was convalescing in the END
hospital in the compound.. - He sent me in . his car and I was -ushered'
into the hospital with no delay --.obviously announced by telephone
in the few minutes it took me to reach it. Entering the hospital
who at first seemed
room alone, I found a rather pale and weak'cl_
unsure whether he should remain withdrawn and formal or participate
in what was obviously a GEHLEN operation to try and clear the air.
Thirty minutes later when I took my leave, I had in my hand the.address
and telephone number of the house he and Catherine will occupy in Paris,
a standing invitation to stay with them when passing through Paris,
and had made a close examination of the evidence of a double incision
on the abdominal wall.'
10.
With Catherine the next day I found it harder going.
Her initial greeting to me as I entered her living room with her
father was hospitable but cool. As the afternoon went on and we
went through coffee and cake, the arrival from an afternoon nap of

- 3 -

SECRET

her two small children. a good deal of reminiscing and another hour
together with her mother. There were occasional moments in which
she lapsed into something approaching the relationship we enjoyed
when she lived with us in the U.S. I came away with the impression
that she had !-oen hurt rather severely by the whole episode.
GEHLEN AND NATO
11.
From the day in 1942 when GEHLEN first articulated to
WESSEL his conviction that Germany's defeat in World War !I
would be followed by the emergence of two great power blocs
headed by Russia and America, he has been an unwavering advocate
of an Atlantic Community. To achieve this he foresaw an absolute
necessity for a Bonn-Washington alliance enjoying undisputed
priority in the new German foreign policy. A German-French rapprochement as the basis for uniting Europe was granted undisputed
second priority. Bringing the British into the European family
was always regarded as an essential though difficult third step.
Underlying. this formulation of the. new world in which Germany
would arise from defeat was the oft-voiced conviction that "the
National State" and "European Nationalism" would not be important
in a world dominated by the immense power of Russia and the U.S.
12.
I suspect that' r:EHLEN has, in the years since he gained
official status and a growing degree of independence of our
political and material support, been undergoing a continual process
of readjusting his earliest concepts and estimate which . fitted so
well the first decade of the postwar period. It would be neither
accurate nor just to attribute his behavior politically to the
image of the unreconstructed German Nationalist who has cynically
bent before the storms that have swept Germany since World War I
and the days of the Reichswehr. A few months ago he told me that
looking back over the past fifteen years, the recovery of the .
European countries individually from the war, the containment of
the Communist threat to the Free World and the creation in both
the Soviet Bloc and the Free World of conditions conducive to an
ultimate settlement of the problems left from World War IT, had
gone better than he had ever estimated in the first dark years of
the Cold War. I personally bear no doubts about the geniuneness.
of GEHLEN'S political convictions in the decade following the defeat
of HITLER's Germany. He did not foresee a Germany as economically
vigorous as the Bundesrepublik is today. Pre-occupied with the
qualities of postwar France political life which raised questions
. of her very survival, he had probably failed entirely to project
the image of DeGAULLE's France of today. Finally, he almost
. certainly was high in his estimate, at the turn of the 'forties
and 'fifties, of prolonged internal instability in Western Europe
and the likelihood of a Soviet military move to the English Channel.
13.
GEHLEN is a man who, while giving fully to the present,
has spent his life whiffing the winds of change and has made timely
arrangements to readjust his own course. His current re-appraisal
probably started in 1955 -- the year of our peace treaty with Bonn
(creating the conditions for the legalization of the BND), the year
the Soviets exploded the hydrogen bomb in which the present balance
In Europe is based, and the last year of his dependence on us for
material support.

-4-

SECRET

14.
1 do not believe tnat GEHLEN has written -off the
Atlantic Community; nor has he reached any final conclusion pn
the ultimate decisive character of the Bonn-Washington relationship.
doubt very much, however, that he sees the world as he did in
the early 'fifties, and I suspect that he may be reassessing the
role of the European States both individually and collectively.
15. At lunch on the 29th of November, GEHLEN, in discussing
the likelihood of an ultimate settlement of Eastern Europe based
on a projection of the political developments of the past two years-with emphasis on the . U.S. and Soviet detante and the eme rg e,gc-e_,QLthe Moscow-Peping rift--found it appropriate to review theiBON'IN.,7
contact with the Soviets some years ago, and the overtures ithadeto him through Soviet intelligence channels for a reunification of
.Germany based on acceptance of non-alignment without arms limitations
as a National state. This "exchange' ended with the purge of
ZHUKOV. It is the Berlin problem far less than the security of
West Germany or Europe that lends real urgency to the retention of
the U.S. divisions in Germany. Were it not for Berlin it is probable
that the Germans would be willing to risk the security of Westkrn
Europe on a revised division of defense responsibilities with a
drastically reduced U.S. military presence in Europe -- assuming of
course a continued nuclear tactical capability in Europe. &EHLEN,
unlike many of the officials in Bonn acknowledges, while clearly
not advocating it, the logic of President Eisenhower's recent .
statements proposing the redistribution of the elements which make
up the Western defense complex. GEHLEN expressed the hope that
the U.S. would leave "at least two divisions" in Europe for
"political reasons."
16.
I do not think it is going too far to conclude that
GEHLEN now sees Germany and Europe entering a period in which the
circumstances underlying his "special relationship with us will
be, along with the Marshall Plan, a part of a closed chapter of
history. His gratitude for our unique contribution will not be
diminished; but the relevancy of our position in the past to the
day-to-day business in the future will be increasingly limited.
17.
There is also the fact that GEHLEN's highly personalized
domination of German intelligence extends without interruption.
back - into the late years of the War; he has survived all of-his
counterparts in NATO; he is in this sense the dean of the Western
Intelligence World. In the past few years his own relationships
with the. Europeans has grown; his personal ties with America have
declined. The passing of the DULLES family, ADENAUER'S final desire
to consummate the rapprochement of France and Germany in his own
lifetime, and the early indifference of the KENNEDY Administration
to Germany further contributed to the erosion of GEHLEN's
orientation . . After GEHLEN's last visit to Washington in . 1961 he
told his old friend John BOKER in New York that he had 'found it
difficult to communicate."
18.
While there is some disagrepent_on he severity of the
damage, the affect on GEHLEN 0 thOnTRRWANGEllcase has been a
major factor in the past year. Perhaps morethan the official
-5-

SECRET

embarrassment - which he presumably minimized with a plausible

cover story - was the impact on his eldest daughter who, among all
of his children, had committed herself most openly to the proAmerican image of . the early years. I have no doubt that GEHLEN,
observing his own diminishing margin of support with ADENAUER in
his last year, and the destructive campaign waged against us in
the Viet Nam case, has come to fully understand the political wisdom . underlying our position. In spite of this, the manner in which
we handled the whole affair and inevitable bitterness felt within
the family have cast an unhappy shadow on the American image.
19.
Had the Government elected to retire GEHLEN - with
appropriate gestures of recognition - he would have entered
politics. Indeed, GEHLEN has probably a definite intention to
enter politics when he retires in a little over three years.
While he professes to have ti6 real illusions about the character
of DeGAULLE's Government, he does not seem entirely confident
. that Germany may not succumb to a kind of Gaullist movement
around the personality of Franz Joseph STRAUSS..
20.
Certainly no clear concept of the kind of Europe which
he feels might emerge in the next few years became apparent in
my brief conversations with GEHLEN; I did sense, however, that
he feels that the American presence in . Europe passed its zenith
during the early 'fifties and, if the general trend in U.S. Soviet and Sino-Soviet relations continue, it is likely that the
American presence will be less in the future than it is today.
Whether GEHLEN sees this as a good thing or a bad thing is not
really relevant to our consideration of the consequences of this
to our own position.
21.

Our existing relationship is based. on the "most favored

service" status that was mutually agreed in the understanding

spelled out in specific terms th 1956. The benefits which accrue
are largely those which relate to the depth of our continuing
day-to-day liaison, and the 04edural and physical arrangements
which stem from the 1956 agreement. Because the majority of the
BND staff directly involved in this liaison will, out of both

conviction and habit, continue a profitable substantive professional

intercourse, and because-GEHLEN:is unlikely to press hard for any
drastic change in the scope and'character of the liaison, it will
presumably be possible to preserve the status quo for some time.
Attempting to implicate GEHLEN'personally in this liaison.would
almost certainly be counterproductive.
While GEHLEN is unsettled and apprehensive about the
. of
form
of the future, he seems to be a long way from convinced
that Europe will evolve the way he tentatively estimates. We
should make a sustained effort to stay abreast of his activities
and his thinking and not permit him to slip into a position of
self-imposed isolation. In his present frame of mind he is a
vulnerable target for sophisticated operations by those elements
in Europe - and particularly some of the French - who . would
like to re-enforce the discernible trend in his outlook. In
the two brief days of contact with the BND I was struck by the
number of senior . BND officers who.had just been or were about to
make visits 'to Paris or London. It was my impression that
GEHLEN himself has visited both several times since his last
visit in Washington and has apparently no interest in a visit to
the U.S. in the foreseeable future.

SECRET
23, In summary, the very superficial impression I got on
re-visiting the END was that GEHLEN foresees a growing diminution
of the U.S. presence in Europe, is re-enforcing his European
ties and initiating a subtle disengagement from the "special
arrangements" with us. While political considerations are
the principal cause, a number. of isolated irritants in tha.
relationship -- including the L
_2 case -- are factors.
In the security field he seems L deterMined to get on with the
extremely difficult task of minimizing risks, by adopting more
stringent measures. Although he feels somewhat isolated from
the U.S. and is seeking stronger ties with France.and the U.K.,
he is fully and unhappily aware that neither would be milling
or able, should real troubl6 develop, to play the role that
we have played in the past.

-7-

ORIG

.E

,..I4
' .

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

EXT :
WE :

0 INDEX
EE/G/CE
("SECRET
0 NO INDEX
5751
3 DECEMBER 6113 FILE IN CS FILE NO.

TO.

MUNI CH

12.62

ROUTING
5
3

LIDEc63 20 .

FRANKFURT

042

FROM: DIRECTOR
DEFLADC'EN

CONF
INFO z

'

TO

X ROUTINE

D/DCI, DDP, ADOP, VR

muNI

INFO

CITE [DIR .

FRAN

---

8-6 - 7 1 2

ON DAY OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S DRAM 1.1.:

- CONCONVEYED GENERAL GERGEN S PERSONAL CON/6OLENCES . PLEASE
VEY TO GENERAL GEBLEN AN APPROPRIATE MESSAGE OF APPRECIATION
FROM
DECLASSIFIED AND
RE LEASED By
CENTRU. INTELLIGENCE AGENC/
SOtl?!:ESNETHDOSEXEKPTION
382E
SAl t VAR CRIMES
DI S CLOSURE 4C1

END OF MESSAGE

LATE 2005

C/EE,

DDP

se,

)014'
/

,96/EE

COORDINATING
RELEASING

OFFICERS

OFFICER

SECRET

.
CROUP 1
Crcltdr<1 from sutoeutIc
dawntradlric ind
dectsts16u lion

REPRODUCTION BY'OTHER THAN THE:ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED.

7.

.
ADTHE X TICATIND
OFFICER

Copy No.

'

;n
.,

..

In ,
1 ,0

) i

.1. , f d

'

..
41.
- r tirlti ,
rfit% ..,.,
elt

.
ps I ,,.,4,0

4,4;

7126.1
v

.
iitiOUtirgitiVa

CONF/DEVIIAL

'
:

N. .

.Vortrl

. r1:,

!
;14t,n) r;((.

1I.

't-:,i.;,',"1612.,

Cbiet,.17.2; Cbier,

Chief
.tifi g t.

CA!..1-renty

rJr

111!tt

Chief, nunieb Lialveh 141.cv

CAT11.30t,
London
VTIDITY Visit

44..": "OparDtional

to

"

?or yvur informaticm, Wbile 4ocoaniug with UrILTrY'on 29 November hiv

availability in early januoiy, he informud

U3

that ho would be In London

from 6 to 11 January 1964.

Distribution:
a
22 - COS/lormany
2 . CbteT, SE
2 . Chief,

DECLASSIFIED

4N0

RELEASED BY

CERT. TL! IGENCE AGEN)

S011

1C * E3kET,1003EXEMP1 ION 3B2E

NAZI WAR CR IMES DI SCLOSDREAC

DA1E 2005

..t
t
./.

0144*

;
i

171
Group I
1Excluded Itom automatic
downgmding and
declasellIcoUoe .

.
- 7 7-,77:77i115;Fte li.37

i
t
t
I
.V

ra-137.117.7s f "c +WI Fi- ' - 'w

!

1i 5 December 63 11 9 DEC . 1963 :

i
..
....1 ..
.
- 7 '-iz-rg,:.:41--UFil-,C.;12;5-1..---Anir; ii1.74-1,-7-n- **** "- ---- ,.
, C K.../t7er ::.;:-.*:' iltilitirieil - ...,-;* ""
;
1
(:
E..14A...63455.7)
. iiiiribiii;717Fi;:-;:;;.iiiia.iiT:.. , -. - - - -.- .7.- ':
1
..
---4CAIWF.WCW6ir' - - ---- - -1
1
32w -5,..31/3...
.t
,
COIVID.P.V.P.7)..t
0'
.

i
f

r.

C.Irlrat.11.11

Y.; -/

ron 'ONO
for.

.:

1_1 I I I-

'

DECLASSIF I ED AND RELEASE Y

CENTRAL INT ELLIGENCE AG.ENC1

SOUR CESMETHOOS EXEMPT ION 30Zi

NAZI WAR CRIMES DI SCLOSURE AC1
GATE 1005

je" D

19 December 1963

MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

urILITy ; Oldrgens,

:3's request)

I and G

UTILTTY's office
0930 hours

-1. Via Juergens I made the appointment to introduce L Ito UTILITY.

Arriving first, I delivered . E At Christmas gift to':fuergen n Who first
J. Since it was not wrapped, he de:asked me to carry one back to L
cided to bring it to the party on the 23rd.
while
received us after a short wait and I introduced E
noting simultaneously that there are many other KUBARKers on our staff Whom
UTILITY has not met. UTILITY said that they may wonder about his having sent
each a Christmas card.
2.

UTILITY

3. At one point UTILITY misunderstood a comment of mine and Interpreted

it to mean that I had not been able to reach him recently. He pointed to his
game leg and said that he had slipped in Sternberg and has been at hove nursing
it. I explained that I had not been trying to reach him recently.
4 cos:

Arranged meeting between 1 c

and ' UTILITY for 1500 December 30.

5. UTILITY wondered about his schedule for 30 December and Uuergeds reminded hit that was When a school pupil would visit in the morning. UTILITY
explained that this student had written saying he had done an article otv,CATIDE
and requesting photos. UTILITY. invited -him down for an interview.

6. Italy : Yellow No. 29791 passed. See

FamA -63490.

7. : 14b .: C.n.hirci.t: On behalf of Chief, XiiCH.AP I extended an invitation for

Degenh&rdt-to visit Washington in March 1964. UTILITY knew I was aware of
Degenbardt's illness but hoped he would be well enough by March.
8. EUCOM: I noted that :C 3 had recommended OATIDE invite Col. Sherrard
of EUCOM to Munich for briefings. _UTILITY thought this a fine idea and wrote
dawn Sherrard i s . name. He made no mention of :,Hartwig's having discussed this
subject with him several weeks ago.
9. " 11 I told UTILITY that we bad agreed upon certain procedures
for proceiiiiiii -Mitional arrangements between services; for example where the Air Force and Luftwaffe may want to work out an exchange. UTILT .',3(aid they
permissible.
had instructed MOT that only exchanges between Intel components
I noted that that is exactly What is pending between the Air Forces.. Anyway,
I wanted to pane on these procedures and vondered Whether I should give them
to :fq!Calo'pe]. or
ly1:1 UTILITY replied that this concerned a policy matter
and should be passed to bim. He expanded this to include anybody an his immediate staff such as 61Tolm Who is responsible for n11 policy matters and

2
Juergen's. I promised to give the procedures to Hal; after Christmas.
EXTRACT: L1
C:

File

10. UTILITY said he had a personal matter to take up with me alone.

11. C a extended Christmas -wishes and presented a gift from General
Walter. He said he bad delivered UTILlIT's gift tor 1 last Monday.
C 2 wad Juergens then left.

12. Gifts: UTILITY explained how in the past he has had trouble accounting for money used to buy Christmas gifts for his own. people. He
always was able to get the Chief of the Rechnungshof to sign crf. Nov there
is no chief. unisTr asked me to sign a receipt showing that I received
DM 600 in returp,for ,t150.00. I signed as L -3. He in turn gave me
a similar recetA;CiLaAe signed as Schneider. (We have done this before
to account for funds spent an CATIDE picnics.)
13. @Karlsson: I asked whether'WleminA had yet informed him of the
Ker1eson case. His reply was that Fleming had been trying to see him but had
not had the chance. I provided the bare essentials about the girl refugee
bay ing seen Karlsson twice at Camp King and having claimed to have seen him
in East Berlin ten years ago. I told UTILITY that I wanted him to know that
we considered this a remote eecurity case and that political factors were involved. However, we felt CATIDF should pursue the investigation. He agreed
and then proceeded to show me an example of how identification can be. wrong.
A Greek customs official on the Bulgarian border disappeared sometime ago.
His wife sometime later saw a picture in some publication and claimed it
was her husband. Actually, it was UTILITY and the photo was taken during
his youth. UTILITY then showed me photos of the Greek, his wife and daughter.
There was a vague resemblance to UTILITY's youth pictures.

14. UTILITY tried unsuccessfully to buzz 6Ho1m on his intercom. He

then suggested we pick him up on the way. I assumed correctly that UTILITY
thought I was going to the showing of Colonel Abels t films on the Gordon Cooper
space flight. I told him that I had already seen them. We exchanged
Christmas greetings and I departed.

Typed: 20 December 1963

ROUTTINE

25 DEC

IN 1553

SECRET 21316517.
.MUNI INFO. FRAN CT.TE
FOR . n .

21 AND

REF EGOT 21.351

s TATEs c. ,;4.; ESENT AT ALL MEETINGS EZ::r.P.::I:!*:
HI M I UTILITY AND OTHERS EXCEPT l'OTe NZ LUNCH WITH
ON TH.AT OCCASION. E.

t I TO CONs IDE-a A BLE FS DETAIL

ON EGYPTIAN s UNE ; s OME OF trIH NOT RELATED JO

. c
OTHERWISE c

CONVINCED C

.3 LATER

a HAS ALL FACT

SECRET
TOR 29/1023z
-

/N./
V2/

DE CLASS IF I

ED AND
REL E ASED
COUR 11 tura!.
BY
1Nr;E
SO U.?
AG ENCY

HE T:1913EXE0110N
NAZI OR
3G2E
C
DATE 2005 RIMES DI SCLDSLIBE ACI

w/-2--/y
MIXT= FRGIt AUTO gATEC aWKA4D6R4 AMG DECLASSIFCATION
OCA

CILS

D.t Lij

L/ORS

Uhl. 40
LiCr

'F.: G

:fy lir ti

'!P!,..4i4;.: Lin!'

Lr11.!^ LAI An

SEC
!

N
T

1. 0 G

k LC%

F.
, DIS PATC H-

CLASSIFICATION
itilif A L
0 eifigic

PROC
ESoN
SING
Acn

:
!

.ACCON
PLISHED

POSED

TO

Chief, ES

'

..'

INFO.

NO

'

Chief of Station, Gereen7

.
FROM

Chief, Mtn:ink Liaison Base .

WanCI

mono NA MOM

mocaria IIEQuIle

ONLY QUALIFIED
HEADQUARIIRS OMR
CAJI FUDGE INDCONO

,
.

1 ABSTRACT

rk

umwnw

,,

OTerStiailial q../1..7rn,

1 Meirtink vith DIMITY

ACTION RtclUIRCID REFEREJFCES

Ref.:

DIR-93.608

1. C
a. end I art vita inn= frcsa 3.5ko until 1630 hours on 29 Ilayeaber
1963. C
4 then ant alone vith ITZELITY from 1630 until 1815. ..0
. visited
UTILIT14 hall tha fa/ening 'dal* must also /niched vith him. .
,
2. Significant.:iteass disowned la , toy pressace . vere the sub,leat of separate
comisnaientiness such.. aa . dispatches. ccatneraing ,C-
M end UTILITV a plasnad
visit to ..Lcadin:in.asavary. It ia . trail that g- .
7:did brief me mi. sow of his
talks .vitb..D1I.I.33r: ' hist he also spent a good part of his last dszr in Nusich writing
a repertr. eautia:Oarim=addrei. The inference I . drev vat that the report 'woad be
of isambdist anneare.te KGB sad wort deal 'with the /igyptian soesse. Would you
kindlar salt...
: . t- . . 'a t aispesition he Issas of his rrporO. I ands no attempt to
is au offilint . ranerd of Mist .;E:
tad Ins since he indiestad that I vould
be the emends:sal racipiewt of his

.4.Z.-

. Distribution s
2 - Chief, ED
2 - CC/' G

-
,

.....

'

e. "e4

0. ,t ''!, 4 .
i VIAe !A .....; t-.:. ri.7.1..4 1.,
es f4%1
.
' -.:..... :'.. V), k.,
:.
_..,..,

evi

,. . . ,.:174.. . : ti t. .,i;lz,4.. . \

5A., X,1

-' 11

rT!

L'i ...

'A

iiiil VF/ ' ....)Ft 1

.00,..iii

ifir7:\1) 74

so
).
,, :
V.1.\-1;:"V;LS
' t''

Yfr 4 #
vora.'s1,7.4 Ft a 9...., 1,M1 ..C:
g.9,..rt-,t4

it

' -

,,,
.

'.% ..v

:.

..

. :..,..

_
DECLASSI
i,..T

.
_

FIED AN D
.

REL:AAS3tE1311!il
.
SOURCESNETHOOSEXEMPHON
N AZ I WAR CR.I
NEStll S C L 0 Su R DAIVIL1611:1:nPalulome.tIc
A IL 2005
down:oiling und
ecciossuk prom
.,

,/,?e): '),,;. Aiii'li i,::,1/0 .

3

. ..
.

w/rn

e--

CATE DISPATCHED

DATE TYPED

CROSS REFERENCE TO

. . .

Jan,

64

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGM-63632
HEADQUA.A; LAS FILE NUMBER
CLASSIFICATION

.
:. 3zsr-2.-26A : -

' C 0

OFFICER

OFFICE

ORIGINATING

'

TYPIST

COORDINATING
OFFICERS NAME

OATE

OFFICE SYMBOL

RELEASING
OFFICE SYMBOL

FORM
$ 60

DATE

(AO)
J.) u4 PFF EYHDuS Cooroo pt REPLACES F ORLF RIRD WP.C14 WA' et V*CO

OFFICCR'S SIGNATURE

DISPATCH

1; .f

LLANt.ir CA I oiq

'.;:.

CH

1.11!.'.0.

C..

'.r..11.,

1. rt

rt.,
t
i
.J.:.1:!!.:!::%,:.?

_.3 f ell VI:trw/iC

:.17 , _ C.
ACTips, to.o.ormo - goo., ..:3..,
; . .:.,,,.. ..i:'.*:.
r
;:,.'. //err
A. Ri;! .': : 13 1; , :
i..': '
it. Fm.; .! i I. ,:.? ..,,

'

1..1%

Chief , ("SP, :r loh:Thrt: i'Onn

10,.1 , ...
:i.
' .0t-tei-%(;i'litt/ E L

.J14

f.

1'

nht:q.r.St

f1,3%

,..!.

7.1...i....nit.: : I'64
..zi Lon,m:it.,: i i'......

.
1.
t_I n 29 /*;,Je..::-:.... r, the: tin ...ern:gA Ivid t. .1-..:::c...::,..si
dux a 11::: wilit:h . hi: (;...rato,r; te,... on Li
,
.: i /.1::1, SP i'.. ) ::n 2 : "-;.1111...Y td ".: : I : -: !'eLi.r.s :r
. cor,,:...(..rning ;:.,. Ni! . ; I: ,... ,:: . i i ,;. ,...,;, er:..,
- 1.:(yli-N). I., -Jen- .11
:-,::-te:r.
*:,; .i .
. E__ =
,
i t ter:IJ.i. : :i.. 'J..'
!:::. :1.:: t : in Net &!4t :::: ,:,..* I ( 1. - .! w1L!: t.1,1:-1
pu.l.i.ey mat tor PIO I:. .i. : t !,:to iiir. rt:*. rr i ii I roc! t ly to ::'ri:. 1 TY ;
. k.r . h
. leel ::).011 r, f.:!'; ., .:':: ..,. : t !...!..
..i LI; ,..t, t:-..1 tri : 111.-nt.t I..., ...iroi, I Lica zi,,,
f. ...::. tinx.t rttip i ti iII::. . ...:11 t:t :.:... t*,...1 . linni,I,:..,- t
o g.:t.. to..., Iv
i . : .- o... e!.

.
.
.1
2.. 3..-.; ..-, IJ ty . x .;..r utt...d 1.:1,-. f.,:r:4t):::.1 oni nth:: (h ,tt. , i f ti.,. r,r,..ii u t.
1.,:.izitualacti c:.::. t.: mt . .: r , c_
,.3 is till 4.4 .. t ton :in.: ei pin 1 t b t i w I , . i Li.. -tre p. ton t
i...cut. rti. n t ,vr1 7 :./, ../..1;..1. :, . ti. :Tor::: .. :: )n terr.:11 :;t:CUri xtY
4.f: , thus :..,.,...
shOuld
.. .
.3--.have
14,
.., . the prir: r -r- r-zi ! ...inoi ti 1 .i tzr fur C
...1 9flih.i ra j :, tral..1:.:: :i.:e.:Ill,:
.0. .
:.iiwut, -r, if: opf a irtunitioh firise to util:ze C.
o'irtantlintlice,
, i
3/fl CxtansiVe
.7i3 .,..,
,Or'prins*:1.12.4 f.6ta cu .:-.:I sUg tioas for r t, Oruitmilt!. rt1r00S.
then
CW:NTia:- ---...
49: ' ; !;1,1 r6 _
Vf ! .1104t ...
'i1 y.
:P1'.1.11... 1-0... 4.41 di._1.1
,...s
;., t:ii,th ' L
"Pi h ' :iPi. il'e . : :..1,..ut:C-.3 c o 1.risi;,... ,::...1 ;Alit:re ctipe.tbilitil:n in
7.0:.
'
,-"... pOrtt:trt:ti.ii!; t . h- :-Ii':: 1.11 0o p. i. rt,..-r.t..i.l.m.ct: t .
,.t.,:i .:: 1,', p 1 J ; I t1111 !le !IL': out .
."17P.'!"-t4tc; , , ,i t *;. !. I r. : ,. , i .,ttii; i t i., :.,1:: 1: ; :1r. r.l .r--. c: t : ::::- :......m, y f !:.*5 ....- Corriu.
he
.... :I
- . .ttin t : i ! ,-:e. (. .:.;!'ith.42:1 t:fi'm I r Lite: .,::: ti re 1;,*.:-. I I , i.:. c..;:. t:.i . tr ! '..-I l'..i'in.; ..:.
: -pal
,:*i. 00rgrin 1,:i:,. ;':or. %Ile. ,....-roun,.: ur; whic;r1 Ilt:.5r.T. 4.;!: it t. i t....w..g.ad !IC.'
1 numour of p.:(tr
. ...-.
,ixp.tet ::3riucce5-fi
1.j:e
fiold
:
3.
.6
vi
9.cf
nt.t. at ti:is ;win t
ehould r. Si:prucaing

CTI.D1.;re ,C
tstruovc:r UI111 vre
f otum 1 ly s
I shed ar

you::1. or
tht ti,`YZ)Y.:; Tr, te 1 Cui tv.

..

...
.i
-1!

.7`3

--,rit&;:44t*y

11
S.-..C.,'

DE CLASSIFIED AND RELEASED

INTEL LIGENCE AGEN.
StUIV'Eq MEH OOSEXEMP1
ION 3GZECENT? kl.

--acci;r4-7irc:(6,/;*)2,.1. w A R

,,..

., liAIE

Avrip,
i
1111611
T

Cli IMES I/I S CI SU R:E &CI

100 S-

l''

RES

4,, .

.'t

I
1
..
I

..

Cl.1.1!..:1Wi.11:4

.11 ..1; C R L. T

,4(0.4%.
1x.44.;___. ....._ ... . .. . .. . ... .. .,_....

vii44

:1

r Copy

V........& .....''...;
i,,.-.14. ,....Distr) but Lor :
f Bi
11 ,r,, :l.g114g i. .r.1...e/MLn vintt
AT.f.:Al..!;+.COSICIfj; Wi't
iv Km
4,:oli..... .... C.,Thia./
. . F. ..i,ri' at
. ' . t'' '
.
q..,5

A ,i.- P-r4142;.:.
ut rat t .

,
,
,..,0,-,..:..6/.1.30It

w/24:t.
Fl
,:g v1._
'''.k.,
2"4....C,
C/1).??".n...rt 1;:i..t: ant! 1. .1...,,,n
5 t.,t.,rtt,wwn,./.7.y.,.1:,,,,,,,..,.C.....741,../.i nAl .r ...
'Ertl. , , ; ....
,:,..,.. %
!
te
..
,
...4.
I
.
j
.1
:::(.1 v1.-...041 '
::3;
. i 4 .JunuAry 1964

i=.4,?.

ht.:

-: ma...;..fil.f. tiumiltH
'

7'.11).oir

4.

.-

."

1'

r :%;t : .,

. .

NE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE

January 9, 1964

Dear General Gehlen:

"

Thank you so much for your card extending

the greetings of the season.
Your thoughtfulness in thinking of me is
very much appreciated.
With all good wishes for the New Year.
Sincerely,

Reinhard Gehlen
Pr as ident des Bunde nachrichtendie ns te
Generalleutnant d. R.

DECLASSIFIED
AND
RELEASED 9Y
CE
NTILL 1 I.TELL.IGENCE
EC1
SOURCE S
.',IET3ODSEXEMP1
!ON
382E
NAZI WAR
CRIMESDISCLOSURE AC1
tr.lEs 2005

January 9. 1964

Dear General Gehlen:

Thank you so much for your card extending
the greetings of the aeason.
Your thoughtfulness in thinking of me is
very much appreciated.
With all good wishes for the New Year.
Sincerely,

John A. 2.4cCone

Reinhard Gabler).
:President des Bundssnachrichtendienstes
Gene ralleutnant

DECLASSIFIED AND
CENTR

ilttrAtriti

INTELL IDENDE 4311N;'.1

SOU2CESNET1100SEXE
NP110
111dH
11421161R
DA1E
2005DR1kES DI SCLOSDNE 4t1

cc Christmas file and German desk

IPRIORITY
PRIORITY

14 JA; . , SA

IN 1645 K

SECRET 42326Z
PRIORITY MUNI INFO PRIORITY .(k0n

c:()1

RperCATIDE
1. ALIAS 'OHNE HAS BEEN TOLE ;HAT POSSEBY,ITY EXISTS

FOR EXCHANGE VIEWS BETWEEN VIESSR4

42J .ND E.!;:T

AL AND AUSWERTUNG REPS IN BONN Ofi LAW. ;;; , YERNDON OR EVENI

26 JAN. TOPIC TO BE SOVIET ECONOt.IC INU MILUARY SITUATION.
4LIA5JCUHNE ALSO WAS TOLD THAT N p;;URE :c

.1

SCHEDULE WILL MOST LIKELY NOT ALLow NEETND

MISSION AND

uLTH
4

ALIAS :KUHNE HAS CABLED HIS HEADO:i!tRTERS

v

2.

PLEASE CONVEY ABOVE TO UT(LIT'y AD DEERMINE wRETHER

MEETING SHOULD BE IIADE.

PLAN FOR ABOVE

3.

FRAN: PLEASE INFORM friA * ;: ;LL Biu:KRMD

a visrTc,

SECRET
DECLASSIFI En AND REL
EASE:' P. y
CENTRAL ;PHU
IGENCE
SOU.:ESME11-1003EXE/,:P1
322E
NAZI WAR CRIMES DI.SCLOSUI;E
DATE 2005.
----- _

TOR 15/0714Z

17,

littet VA
, Orkt
S\ \

GROUP I- EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMATIC DoWWPAOiNG A.ND DECLASsFPCAT!ort

C/M09. )CA:
S
0

RLS

INt

60

SO EL NT C/SB SEC CIN LOG RE(.;

9/PS. 1/CE L/FLANS tm ing L/COMMO 1/1NT

IMMEDIATE

IN 1860 A

15 IAN 64.
ORIGINAL DIG 31203Z DEC

ECR ET 312031Z
IMMEDIATE I1UNI
plas-

BONN

.F.RAN CITE DIR 91942

C.:

Ittp W OOD

r..

-REF DIR 91660

FYI ONLY
7

PLAt4NING VISI :T..A0DEE . :3T ATI ONS MIRING LAST

TWO WEEKS JAN, PRIMARY PURPOSE WILL .131E7.0 CARRY WORD ' TO FOREIGN

OFFICIALS 'RE SOVIET ECON PROBLEMS',. :WE WILL..3;/ANT TO BE CONTINUOUSLY

'
.
INFORMED OF 'REACTIONS TO REF YOU ;OBTAIN RO ZOV I ET. CONTACTS AS
t.

PART
T OF EXERCISE OF SATISFYING 17--

- ENTS RELATED TO TRIP.

R.EatiIREM

.2 0 SINCE 'PLANS FOR TRIP NOT YET..Dis. pus piED WITH ODACID, THIS
,
,

.Z.L.",

INFO :SEOUL:D . BE LIMITED 'STATION OFF.MERS -Or. NEED TO KNOW BAS IS

3,,WREN

PLANS FOR TRIP FIRM wfii CA :lit.:E 'FURTHER DETAIL

..

NOTEE A UN I ADDED PER I3RANCfl -----------.C.1 :4 SS IF I

E ;T .

ED AND

REL E ASED ,?)'

CENTR1L INTELL IGENCE

TOR "
15/0937Z

ab,CESPIETHOOSEXEI+iP 1 Ui; 3c12E

LJ IRCR IMES

EY,C E ,2

01 SCLO$1.1RE AC1

05

\ pt D01104;17
T

.i: :

i;

h
.:
i.!i..

, .
131

I:
;,.

1,

G R0 EXCLUDED . FROM AUTOMAT! C: DOW4GRAO INC AND 0

I i:

C/OPS OCA RI- S INT GO : SO 1 EC ,NT

't 4

ft...

091
-----

B SEC FIN LOG REG

L. /C6K4c) 1,./ .11,41" , 1./POI.

L/OPS LICE L/PLANS. 1/RE
'

ASS OF !CAT, ON

__

r")(1
'1;

711; 4

. ...
,. . '.. *.
- -s: -.- ..,kt...
.-.....,--,,...i..-..:,..-*.4...,:.?. .
i
:.4.,-,:::: . : ;:., .,
,t1.:1-i:ii.nv,;:td.i.e.!,.--.214../:-., . :i ' T -'.f.'c.:':..Vis.--%.?
..,:;:::
.:.,,;,:.;
. 0 ',.,...::.:.,ri...-:_,:...
:::IMUNI....J.AN'is=6-4:'!...
-.
r....:,
, , ... ....;.1.. -::r... -..::..,, ....

0 905. Z

ON I C
,-

-3 FROM: FRAN

'41i10)111
: -.A.11...C.!:

..

.P.EARE D. 'IN .TINES

. :
.

r.
;._

u T:

04 :A

..

INNER FOR

1..4?

;:r1..;r41.

L.7 26.

E*1 DE RI NGT;iiHtiiiERA, :tr

r.::

tfoi

03,11E, ASE.1-ADVI.SE ; YOUR PERSONAL REACTION TO uS AND

'

:PE 446 . 9 . '1 F

All R EL
E D Ery.
.
. F4 tE11:11 .
.6bPer AG 0
,/ CI

Cfl.

STHODSEXEIrB
; NA.:1-1 WAR
CRIM ES-DI S
CCU SLIRE .
A CI
VA TE 2005

4.;;.%
..

f...!

c /krz
54

15 January 1964
IMMIATE FRAN L

BONN

MUNI c
i

; /.
.. i '

..

. . , .
i ce4, W
v,1
/4
V-aNC)
t, ..). .: ..

t-Nk0-'AVi
\14:41i

TELERCTE

,,
..t4
- -1,

t.
....

W:)

OPERATIONAL IMMEDIAM

RTBAT
MP A. DMOM
B. Dr-937O9
c
.3 01/15 NOT TO BONN
1. I AM SEE= Urr..ITT 1500 MAY TO DETERMINE IIIMEHER AUS=UNG REPS
AVAILABLE tiOT W1

HAP REPS ON 26 JAN BONN. FEM. cortFIDZITE MOWER WILL

BE AFFIRMATIVE.
2, I PM. vERr tTROMLY TEAT unirry wzr.t. BE mon

NATURE

BY ANT

ormteigrr =AT

7 MISSION AND SCHEDULE /10T T- TRIZIZ ALLOW MMINN W3331 UTILITY. I

irorE REF B TEAT PURPOSE L .1 VISIT IS PRE= CDT= VIM; AND nem EsmsAm.
THIS Is VERY DEFnizamy urrurr TYPE BUSINESS AND TO cur Eim our CCMPLETELY
WILL ORIN ADD TO maws Cuattir.ite. BELIEF THAT SOMEONE IN 1111BARK OUT TO GET 'BIM.
Tr WE cAnar summer TO GERMAN MI:CORI= wilo ARE TO BE ERIEFRD BT

TITAT

PERHAPS - urn.= own TO BE PRESENT, TEN& I 13111LK IT IMPEE/ATIVE THAT SCKEM:3331G

BE ARRANGED INDNUMT c-7 3 AND urzurr Ger =rim/. ALM= ATMRDANCE A_T

-ANBABBADOR DINNER
NO BEST SOLUTION IT WOULD BE BETTER THA17ELTTT BEING
COMPLETELY

SNUBBED.

3. FEND= FURTHER RESOLUTIOff ABOVE PROBLEM I INTEND MERELYIL UTILITY

THAT DETAIIS L

3 ' SCHEDULONOT YET KNOWN TOE.

. END OF MESSAGE-. _

c
E

DECL.ASS IF I ED AND RELEASED RY

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
SOURC ES METHODSEXE .MPT ION 3.32E
NAZ I WAR CR IMES DISCLOSURE AC1
DATE 2005--.

-"

i'D.11 :S .P 'Altii
g

CLASSIFICATION

. --

PROCESSING ACTION

S .E C .R . S T

:e ..

TO

NARKED rot INDEXING

Chief ) Munich Liaison Base

Et0 INOCCUID MUM

IWO.

ffiOM

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

Chief of Station t German y_

CAN JUDGE MUMS

Chief, EE
. CAT/D

SUBJECT

WEEVILY

..:

..

UTILITY
ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

.'

..

. . " -Please convey to UTILITY the attached (under Separate

n
cover) Nev Mar t s greeting front

E.2_

.. .

..n
1.7

'

...Attachment 1JSC .
Envelope

DISTR/BUTION:

2 - AEL2 Watt

1 ... 1

.
C S

W.

AND

c '!.

4r "

R , EL r

L i 6 E

c p i

NE S gi

, AS E 9 p y

c ,

"T 300SEX
Er..,P
.

'
T:

'' u E N ^ ).

1 n ,, .
- 3 3 ti.2 E

,:ublIRE.4c1

USC

1 ..

:. '.'.: r'e: ' .;.;;.-..

-^.' t .& r(
v

now 1
Eubied Imi ESt:3411..

OZcznifai id

i ' 2405

'

2 - COS/6 vio att

-- 0 LI :?

!.

, .4 ;pp,

L ,::,'

,.

:?e

S,

..

P. I . 4 1 V
fi ,;.
Fe i.,: .,:,: t , .t.
. t.,) i :6.1 ?.4
$1.4

e (1

.1 ...?, ;it, 4
.: .... r N.,..,
1..
',.'

I .

s:

;6.pr,

v
-,...--..
:::.:: ' v.?oil
:.,

.;;:'

Nil n

.. .

. ..

}; rt.I Yt.
I.:: ......
. b

CeVis:12:113:
,

EGMW-13518

15 January 1964

SECRET.

r.:

MCC

HQS Distribution':
.

11.0tiTVOIG

..

-S

NV

EE/G/q,
ortict SY1.10LIL

RID/0S

.. .......

LIMIER/.

5751
orscars NAME .

/ DATE

...4,...;

EXT.

D':.. c/t
COORDINATING

'
ess

ORIGINATING.
-
Typal'

VA

HOS FILE NUA4DER

CLASSIFICATION

- i . 1.7.1:

DATE

DISPATCH SyJ.IQOA., MAI HUMBER

CROSS REFERENCE TO

'

'

1: .
.

.!--

1
...

MI

.
OF F!CE SYIAUOL

RELEASING
OFFICERNu.NtseI RC '

.,

.......

---.

..

(4)

....,

DECLASSIFIED
CENTRAL

AND

RELEAStO BY

INTELLIGENCE AGENC/

SODRCESNETHOOSEXEMPT ION 3D2E

- (444Z
I

---)

WAR

15 JAN 64

CRIMESDISCLOSURE

/N4WP2A05

ORIGINAL DTG 11205B

S ECRET 112058Z
IMMEIDIATE mUNI PRIORITY FRAN 80TN

437O;

Resmso
REF DIR 91942

a MFG'
.2
L
3 f
MR. E
aUBARK ECalptIC EXPEO : AND SECURITY OFFICER
46
.:- :
PLAN BE IN EUROPE LATER HALF JAN,:
3-:PLA1ININ3 BRIEF BRITISH9
, ACCOMPANIED BY MRS.

19

7.V

FRENCH AND GERMAN AUTHORITIES Al HI GH,LEVL ON LATESTAMOXENIEWS

AND ESTIMATES ON USSR, WITH PARTICULAR REHRI:NCE TO CURRENT COMMMIST
.- .
BLOC MILITARY AND ECONOMIC CAPABILITIES.,

.
::Smaa
PARISQLmu
20 CURRENT TENTATIVE ITINERARY AS: fOLL64 JAN tg -NOON.21
NOON JAN 21-23 LONDON, JAN 24-25 ' BONI< JAN-2S-28 ROME AND POSSIBLE 4:=0
CmaTA
SHORT STOP MADRID . ENROUTE HOKE. .
WIZ
39: SUGGEST STATION PROMPTLY CGtiC.ULT . KU,LY*% REPORT "CURRENT
maamag

*.

g:2C:k

..ECONOMIC WEAKNESSES IN THE S OV IET {. :1131:0O AND COMMUNIST ASIA"

,

DATEDAN. 1964, UNCLASSIFIED, WHICH 440S- 16,4 AIRMAILED TO BONN

mama&
assm.mw

. AND.:F,RANKFURT. 0 STATION SHOULD PULL.TOGS`THER *AVAILABLE MATERIAL

....AFFECTING ITS AREA WITH POSSIBLE ,BE IAjtING, ON THIS GENERAL

...%

SIIBJECT7irczc

NY TIMES
PARTICULARLY 'MATERIAL VHICR.REFLZOSIOCAL--ATTITUDES0
.
.

.ARTICLES OF 8 AND 9 JAN 'CITING CI,4 SiUDIESIAN SOVIET ECONCOIC

SIICOUP

SHOULD' BE.CONSULTED9
4 0 SECRETARY. OF STATE COMMUNICATING. 31/ PRIORITY MESSAGE WITH
D:; :PLANS FOR MEETING

AMBASSADOR GIVING FURTHER DETAILS

cra

p.
WITH .SENIOR GMT PERSONALITIES. .PLE ,ASE CONt1LT THIS MESSAGE FOR /
4

YOUR FURTHER GUIDANCE.

, .
)
_
.
'EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMAT IC DOWNGRAD ING AND DyXASSIFOCATION
C/OPS : GOA RLS,..INT GO SO EG NT Cal SEC FIN LOG . REG
DO/

'1' 1

1'11

L /OP S L/CE L /PLANS L /RE L./COMO L/ INT L TOL

AO

Th

OAGE TWO

50

DIR 93709

FURTHER . INFO ON E.

SECRET

S WISHES WITH RESPECT TO ACCNIMODATIONS,

CONSULTATIONS, ETC, FOR YOUR ARI:A -*L BE . FO R

- TV.004100 SEPAROTLYG
FRAN SIC NOTE: MUNI ADDED PER BRANOH.ROST

. .

SECRET

TOR 15/0930Z

.
:
.:

'

..

GROUP 1- EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMATIC-DOWNGRADING AND DECLASSIFICATION

C/MOB C/OPS OCA RLS INT GO ' SO EG NT C/SB SEC FIN LOC,
i/INT L/POL

C/LB. OC/LB L/OPS LICE L/P .,.-,.---

UttLAOSIF IED AND

Pt lEASED IP(
tE1R4LEiECt AbEHCI
tWN:amt1hobstXtkplitin3u21
kAiiW
kikE el # tLtq Ukt
At1
DAIE 1(05

L:

'cif/um
54
15 January 1964

SECRET

INFO DONE C

FRAN C

15 : 0

MUNI E

TELE:NOM

REF . MI 05/15
MUlti8 6 2 ;

1.

- TUNG FOIPS,COULD MEET WZMI

BEFORE I COULD FINISH QUERY MTHER AMWO

poRTED AT C 1.manD
CH1E? .1:UCHAP urrurr DIM OM MESSAGE FRC(4 EUESHE 410 RAD RE
SEE ONLY CHANCELLOR AND DETTILLI AND
BE IN B-014N 27 AND 26 , JANUA1Y, THAT BE WOULD

NOT POSS TRLE. IMAINTAMED I NoT FAMILIAR WITH I.: :3

THAT MEETING WITH uTrurr
scHEDDLE AND COULD ONLY ASSUME -TEAT HE mmxim BE IN BONN 26 JANUARY SINCE CHIEF

wArnmtum=
1:.00HAP WOULD BE TERRE TEEN. 110i241 ASSUM AT PERHAFSJ:yCHAP REPs
WT CATIDE BEFORE BRENT SEES CHANCELDGR..

2. umair SAID PRESENT pLANs CALL FOR HIS PREsENCE RomE FROM 24 TO 51
JANuARr. IF Arr Posrsrlarr. C: ;Immeurlari MEET HIM BE WOULD CHANGE ROME PLANS.
RE EXPLAINED HE CHOU THIS TIe1.1, FOR TRIP NOME BECAUSE CHANCELLOR TO BE THERE
27 To 29 JOGARY. I PRCMIsED LEr rIm Know IF
3.

J SHOULD WANT MEMEING.

UPON RETURN KY OFFICE Hoil4 OALLED ,IN) sAr urrurr HAD CANCELLED PLANS,

00 TO Rae AND Two= BE AVAILABLE-22MM wEEK 26 JANUARY. I Do NOT now

Krim SEND ANY
EXACTLy WHAT HAPPENED BUT MY GUESS Is THAT miurr DID NcT WANT
-

AM connIGED
'MESSAGE SATING HE wOuLD BE our OF calmArr DuRniG L. 3 VISIT. I

.-.
leo

-77

num= PAGE iwo"

ROUTINE

TEAT BE WOULD vEar maa LIKE MEET WITH r -T. PERSONALLY I

FEEL THAT SUCH A

mEarrau WOULD GIVE OUR LILMON NU= NEEDED SHOT IN ARM. URGE TilkT YOU TAKE

UP mATtsm VIM NM AND vouLa APPRECIATE RECEIVINO nan corg

MTH= rou

SEND. IN MEANTIME I AM NOT SENDING ANY OF MX VIEWS IN COMMANDONANMES.

END OF MESSAGE

ika
cc-v

i T

DECLASSIFI ED ABB
RELEASED BY
CtlifRU INTELLIGENCE AGENC)

Fr F ! T

--SOURCESM

sty.

DATE 2005

Nft"

MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

urnzrit .

UTILITY's Office

ETHODSEXEKPI ION 3132E

kAZ I W1R CRIMES DISCLOSURE AC1

3.5 January 1964

C: _3 .4GY). as indicated

1." Having learned. that 74.4r6W's is sick, I phoned *iirt te ask for
a meeting with UTILITY. He greeted me. on . arrival and waited with me until
UTILITY opened his door but be did not participate in the discussion. I
asked WhetImmitie}teaa bad the grippe.. Mey1 caid it WA worse than that

Kreislaufstoerung.

2 (a).. U. S. Visit: 'I gave Heyl for:HOIP rellourNO. 29943 concerning

(Note: At-an earlier meeting
thefLichtenbr
ez
visit to the

with @Brock. I gave him a copy also.) Later *en Holei-joined U2IL1TI end
l knew it.
me I told. him that I had given'Rey1 the memo.

(b) Personnel: I gave Hey1 a sealed envelope for filattvig containas sell as a copy of the
ing the attached memorandum from
House bill on retirement. Be promised to forward, it.
...He

3. UTILITY Came out and ushered me into his office. He asked vbetber.'
he should summon Holm. I said it would not be necessary but Hol.m zazoe in
later anyway probably as a result of being tipped off by HeYi that I vas there.

4. c:
j
E passed umma Blue No. 29869 concerning procedures
for handling service-to-service agreementS."1 offered to explain any portions
that might be unclear.
.,

.EITRACT:

C__

5.'kucku Visit:. See mx;telenote to FRAN 04115 which is .an accurate

account of what vas said and, order of expression. . UTILITY and A 9M thought
that (Kienrae: Wert:aria ane0Kuehnert would attend'the meeting in Bonn. See
muNI-8621. unprr as an afterthought said that Pep4r4t. would go if his
health permitted. Bole said he would let se lam 'whether the Ausvertung
types could. Make the visit on the 26th. We disowned possible.locatiana.for
C

the meeting and.ITIL1TI thought the Embassy 'would be the best place. -.Holm

honed me before I got back to the office. He confirmed that the Amsvertung
officers would gato Bonn and named them. He also Said that UTILITI'"would
not makebis trip" and would be here all veek.:

tfld.Cn8ia: I asked untaTr whether he had seem Telex 0006 Containreport 10/6 1. He said he bad. I. asked whether be knew how Bo=
had handled it. He said he did not, that they had given it to 14strick and .
Carstens but had given only that information phi& could be used but not the
background information. Be searched around his desk for awhile but could not

lug EOS

EZERACT: L/FtE
r-

0 . ats tttiirta,

/01 :I s ' : 0

44

.. t,

%.0

7. Washington Representative: I expressed regret about 6tertiaW illness.

UTILITY' comments covered in EGMA-63739. The expressions on bothplm and.
.0TILIT/ indicated that there bad been plenty said on the .subject of a Washington representative but they were not ready to spring it upon me. .

8. .I asked ik
would be here on

would be in the rest of the week.' Be said he

but would leave for Bonn and be there next week.. .

UXILITI

9. On my way out I ran into Mrs. gUirgens who was sitting with the front
office secretaries. I asked about her husband. She said that he had been .
working too hard and was' exhausted. She hoped he would take a good long rest.

/Ar.

Typed: 17 January

1964-

si

/..11

4 S. ,t

SECRET

te'

4. /%;

'^';;:.

I was assigned to personnel work between January 1957 and June

.1960. I Mention these dates beeause what I hive to say about the
Agency's personnel problems and the things that we did to try to
solve them had to do with the period of time that began 10 years
after the establishment of the Agency and seven years after the Cold
War reedhed its height with the outbreak of the Korean War. It can
be said that every institution or agency comes of age in the field
of personnel management after a certain number of years. This was

true of our Agency. It had begun to come of age before I was assigned
to the personnel office in a sense that most of the senior people in

the Agency had become worried and frustrated because it was apparent
that:
a. We had reached and in fact somewhat exceeded our ceiling
for pereonnel . and yet we :seemed to be continuously short of the kind
of people we needed to undertake key important assignments.
b.

We found ourselves spending a great deal of time trying

to find assignments for people in the middle and higher grader, who,
although they had served well, were at that time becoming Zemin and
less useful.
0. We were unable to hire as many young people as we

thought we should in order to provide leadership in the future because

of our trouble vith the ceiling.
./7

/?../ t; 7f
DECLASS IFIED AND RELEASED BY

CENTRAL INT P.LL IGPICE AGENn

SOURCESMEDIriEXPHLI N 3B2E
NAZI WAR CR IMES I S CLOSURE AC1
BATE 2005

/ I

6,3-:;1v.rt

,
17,-;i

p, 114

fc

web.

v.;

d. People whom we considered in the less useful category

occupied positions . and grades into which we wished to promote the

IP

more.capable young people. The fact that we couldn't move the lees
useful people out of the . Agency resulted in a slowdown of. promotions.
. e. Finally, our system. of personnel managemetzt was based
almoet entirely on the existing Civil Servioe rules and regulations'.
In saying that these rules did not work for certain parts of our
Agency,. I do not vigil to imply criticism of the Civil Service or Of
its administration over the years. As / got to know something about

it, ey . respect for it and for the people who administered it,

-constantly increased. However, since it is designed to provide

the Government with an honest and capable service with which to
carry out its internal programs, it was obviously not designed
to meet the needs of an agency operating overseas. Nor indeed
was it even remotely desl-emed to meet the needs of our kind of
Agency.
110 until the time I became Director of Personnel, our Agency

bad mainly, been occupied with hiring people, promoting them,

getting them into the right assignments and keeping

6em

happy.

During the formative years, and largely at the instigation of our

second Director, we had embarked upon a program which provided for
the hiring of highly intelligent and capable young oollege graduates,

their training, and then their placement within the Agency. This
program is called the Junior Officer. Trainee program and it still
forms the backbone of our hiring, training, and placement operation.
From its earliest inception this program ham been a secoese. There
La no doubt in my mind but that the Junior Officer Trainees (JOT's)
10111 in the future form the hard core, perticOmrly of our oversees
sexvice. At the time / became Director of Personnel, there was a
strong movement on foot to create within our Agency a separate
"commissioned" service based on the JOT program and similar to the
Foreign Service and the comaissioned services of the military
eatablishment (Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines). I see no

- 4.indication at the present time that we will create a commissioned

service, but there are still many capable and influential members
of our agency who believe we should. For my part, I have

con-

sistently opposed this concept because I feel that in our work we

need more flexibility in the Management of personnel than is provided
by a water-tight system.
1Wei1l be seen from Ufa foregoing that my problem in 1957
was net hiring, but firing. It would be -a great blessing for every
personnel officer if people liked to be 'fired and an even greater
blesefng if you could let good, honest,. decent people, go without
prejudicing their chance for fnture employment. This latter was'
our in problem and one that we will only partially solve even
after the retirement bill we are advocating is pawed by the Congress
and signed by the President. Before discussing this main problem,
that is separating good, honest but unneeded people, let me mention
the problem of getting rid of the bad eggs.
. Our basic legislation authorized the Director to separate
employees in the interest of the United States, and, in fact, did
not -impose any restriction on him in this regard. Itwas, however,
clearly the original, intent of Congress that he use this authority
to protect the security of the organization. When the question
arose whether to use this authority for other than security
IVO

CUISS,

had a great debate one. evening at the Alibi Club. From my point

of view, the only useful thing that was said ems that you either
had to use the Director's authority asugiven in law or you had to go

.1

5 -

back to Congress for further authority. In the latter case, Congress

would ask you why you didn't use the authority already in law. Since
it was obvious that no one wanted to get that kind of answer from
Congress, we decided to go ahead and use our authority.
After emperimenting a little bit with special hearing boards
and committees, I Selected two officers in the personnel department
to whom I assigned the task of reviewing all cases other than security
cases and taking testimony frOm witnesses and from the person involved.
When the cases Were prepared by these offipere, I then read them and
made my recommendation to the Director. Before the cast went to the
Director,' it would usually be read by the General Counsel or one of

his officers. This system may sound cumbersome, but compared with

review by an appointed board it was really vertafficient. I found

that every personnel or security board with whiChl had to do *has
enormously interested in all
included at least one member whO.beoame
manner Of detail and often'emotionally involved in the ca ge. This
resulted in a very good and very long hearing for the individual
_ .
concerned, bUt frankly was too high a price to pay for the result
obtained, i.e., the separation or retention of an admittedly mediocre
worker.
The combination of Civil Service regulations for the hiring,
advancement, and retirement of personnel on the one hand, and the
Agency's special authority to separate insecure and unsuitable
personnel on the other, has to the best of my knowledge met most of

EST t.i llituLE cop.y

_ 6_

the requirements of thoee sections of the Agency that operate

exclusively in Washington. The big problem had to do with our
overseas service and its Washington headquarters element. It was
with regard to this group that we were uneasy and frustrated.
. In getting at this problem, 1 received help from three sources.
First, I came across in my reading a pamphlet written by a young'
faculty member at Princeton University about the Foreign Service.
In the pamphlet . the author analyzed the problems confronting the
Foreign Service before it had beea reformed under. the Piston
Committee described the reforms and then went on to show how the
reforms had affected the service. The author used statistical
4

teohniques In his analysis of the service and he demonstrated bow

important these could be in supporting arguments for change and
also in showing the management of the department where they stand
at a particular point and time. my second source of support wns a
verycaPable personnel officer who also happened to be a good
.statietician. For A period of two years, he and I worked together
in opmpiling statistics and developing arguments for a:revision of
Our personnel practices. My third source of support was the Senior
Assistant to thePresident's Personnel :Adviser. This gentlemen. , who
had had many . years of experience in federal management, who had
dealt extensively with Congress, and who had had an opportunity to
fellow the affairs of different parts of the government as seen from
the senior top daft,. was able to show me that our prOblems were not
entirely unique and he : encouraged ,sito propose bold solutions but
it. such a way that they would be acomptable to Congress..

EST AVAILABLE fAPY

- 7-

With the advice and help that we received we decided that we

0120ed for our overseas service a gyr ate% of recruitment, advancement,
'reparation, and retirament which voul 0. produce the following results:
a. Keep the service equipped with a balanced group of officers
lly . of age.
a result of the very rapid reCruitment that we

did during the Korean War, we found ourselves in the mid50's with an uncommon proportion of our officers in the age
group 29-35. .Thus, we decided it vas necesearyvbegore
developing regular and continuing rates of intake and separation, to take special measures to 'reduce this group. This
also offered us an opportunity to separate the4good but unneeded officers with a minimum of prejudice.
b. Provide . an-pportunity for advancement which.would permit
the outstand ing
at. a relatively young age and

Of remoneibilitx
while be is still deirlopin

NOTE: During its first years of existence, our Agency .

inherited (from the Office of Strategic Services) Or. recruited

(from among former military intelligence persoanel). a strong
and capable group of men who at the time of our study ranged

in age between 45 and 50. Almost all of the key positions in

our foreign service were ocemoied by vg;n in this age group.

If we had allowed nature to take its nouree and had permitted.these officers to continue on in their positions.entil the
mandatory age of retirement in the civil oservice*(70), we

17771-

8 -

would have blocked the advancement to positions of

responsibility of a whole generation of officers. This may
Sound exaggerated but it is in fact exactly what happened
among the agencies created by President Roosevelt in the
early 30's. The capable and dedicated young men who came to
Washington at that time were still to be found in their offices
in the middle 50's.

As

they reached retirement age, it

vas

almost. impossible to .replace them since there had been no up-

An movement and

development of

executive personnel in those

agencies for over a decade.

mentto the nervin g offering a re/iable

c. Attract
It

rate of advancement and epportunity.

NOTE: This Point is broader than the one that

egis

it

since it involves a larger number of young men.

The problem had been caused by the rapid expansion of the

Agency during the Cold War.

It is

axiomatic that you can-

not expand rapidly without promoting rapidly. If you do

the latter, you invariably end up with a certain proportion
of your medium and higher-graded positions occupied by people
.

who are leas

able than new people who kayo since been hired. .

Obviously this is a situation which one can never avoid

entirely and the results of which must be accepted as part
of the price we pay for fair and sensible administration.
Bowever, when one has gone through a very rapid period of
expansion, this problem takes on an acute form and requires
special attention.

BEST AVAILAJLE COPY

Ccce,/

d.

Provide COMM wherebyyersonnel vbo we recruited for para-

military operations or other such hil

uyslisrsed fields could be
separated without prejudice and with suitable support or annuity
before reachiqg the normal vo of retirement.
e.

Finally, to have a means whereby we can provide for the

hiring of peroons in the higher grades in order to introduce into the

kills and knowledge that one might '&in in scientific

V s
service

commercial and other fields.

Oaae we determined all the goals that we wished to realize in
-devising the system, we drew up a statistical analysis of the male
personnel in our foreign service according to age groups and grade
groups. By using the findings of the Civil Service Commission and
other government departments, we 'were able to represent the make-up
of the foreign service five, ten, and fifteen years in the future

- 0

graphically . AS you can well imagine, the picture of the grfvh

showed the make-up of the service fifteen years in the future was
iffr., somewhat similar to the officer corps of the Prussian Army at the
time of the Battle of Jena. Other and more refined statistical
studies shoved us in detail where our problems 'were with regard to
rates of advanoement and gave us a fairly clear idea of the extent
of the job we needed to do in separating people and in arranging
for early retirement in order to enjoy a fairly' healthy personnel
situation.

Most of the measures which we recomMended andseme of whicii

we have already taken are reflected in the attached proposed legitilation (see page 10, H.R. 7210. In reading this Bin, you will find the financial arrangements bewildering. Let me guide you.
through it. The provision beginning on line 9, page 23, is essentially
the provision which Congress accepted in another form and which, we
used 'one or two years ago in an attempt to achieve our first
objective, i.e., to equip 'the service with a balanced grouped
officers in'terme . of age. On' page24, Starting with line 24, and
again on page 25, starting with line G, you will see that we are
proposing the reduction of the mandatory age for retirement. from70
to , 133 . in the case of persons in gradejn-I0 and above and from 70.
to CO in the

CROO

of all other persons.- Even more important I

think are the provisions cited on

22, line 4, and page 23, line 5.
. page
_
These provide for the voluntary and involuntarY retirement of officers.
Taken together these several provisions that I have cited deal

BEST NM Art

10-

specifically with the other goals of our program.

I shall be glad to answer any questions you have about our
system.. You will recognize that having beea away from it for
of some of
ai Years, I have ceased to be in expert. The meaning
the language in the proposed Bill is obscure to me but that is

nothing new. The Lawyers who draft eadh tbinga have their own
complicated way of expressing ideas..

Attachment: H.R. 7216

(.1

/74%ez

...5!Ser 161203Z
if is

02 / 16 -JAN 64
1964 YIN ie

IMMEDIATE zRAf;

.INFO: MUNI c:

FROM: P, ONN
REF MUNI

03/15 AND 0/1/15 JAN 16

i'S POSITION IS WELL TAKEN, AD HIS ESTIMATES

1.

.0F THE GAIN AND LOSSES INHERENT IN THIS SITUATION ARE NOT
.

: OVERDRAWN.

'

:.

I FEEL THAT STATION, CITING US ALL, :IUST TAKF.

74S

'STRONG POSITION THAT r1

SHOULD SOMEHOW FIND TIME TO MEET

BEST OF ALL WOULD BE PROPOSAL THROUGH 3DAC ID ,3Y

C

'V

THAT UTILITY 'BE INCLUDED 11 ONG THOSE ATTEIN

:LEVEL

BRIEFING. OR I COULD QUIETLY SLIG.';F.ST TO WESTRFK THAT

;BENCLUDED ON GERMAN INITIATIVE. I WILL SOUND OUT

'''...'=461BA'S,ADOR TODAY ON INVITING UTILITY TO DINNER ON 26TH.

AM

- HAS4CLL ED 'STAFF MEETING FOR 1730 TO DISCUSS PLANS.

1
. Z.) ;Vt. HAVE SEVERAL PROBLEMS. ONE IS THAT UTILITY IS
;.
:;,;.:.!:(;;;,;:
WITH HIS ON GOVERNMENT AND M AY WELL NOT ':?-E

TO UTILITY WOULD REPP.F.SENT

DISASTER. adoe;ttk .01,4464

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASE!)

.CENTRAL I NTELL I6ENCE
SOURCES METH0OSEXE101 I ON n2E
11,4Z1 WAR CR imEs DI SCUM NE., AM
GATE 2005

:41.3isadw!t!!?......,7,..%;.

ROUTINE

16 JAN 64

SE CR E . T 1617I5Z
PRIORITY , DIR INFO '7, RAN !IJNI CITE liONN 5732_,)

CF

OM.'

REF DIR 93709

1. MEETING WITH AMBASSADOR ANII . MINISTER.I:TDAY PRODUCED

FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:
A.

WOULD THERE BY ANY OBJECTION . TO ,BRIEFING Q S BEING GIVEN

JOINTLY TO ERHARD AND SCHROEDER IN. (CHANCELLOR. S OFFICE?

B.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO OTHERS BEING INCLuDED, VON

I -.

.. t_

HASSEL, FOR INSTANCE,. OR GEHLEN, Of('REINI(EMEYER (FOREIGN OFFICE

SOVIET . AFFAIRS

EXPERT)?

C.

HOW LONG DOES BRIEFING 1./4:r7

2. c

IS INVITED TO STAY W.TH AKBASADOR, BUT THERE WILL

,
BE NO EMBARR ASSMENT IF HE PREFER9.ib STAY' WITH HIS COLLEAGUES
. ,

GROUP . IS BOOKED AT DREESEN.

CECL ASS IF I ED AND R

ELEASED .DY
:CENTRAL INTEL
LIGENCE AG ENC 1
SOUR.CESAETHODSEXEMPT ION 302E
NAl T, WAR CRIMES 0
I .SCLO,SURE AC1

S E ' O R E.T
'TOR

17 A07 I9Z

D.414 2005

c- .

(::7?*

'1/4. Pet

S'

DO 7 6-17.

I NG' AND DECLASStF I CAT i ON

TOOp 1.; :EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMAT I C DOWNGRAD

(8111.. ? '

c/o

S OCA RLS INT GO SO. EG NT,

C/SB SEC FIN LOG REA

/LB L/OPS L/CE L/PLANS L/RE L/COKRO ef=erik L/POL

1919 H

17 JAN 64

ROU'INE
SECRET1769361

DIR INFO BONN MUNI CITE FRAN 4490,...---"

-%
REF DIR 94557, PARA 1

L.- 2 .

1 AND I URGE THAT

RECEIVE

UTILITY AND HEAR FROM HIM DIRECTLY THE MAIN

OUTLINE CATIDE-S'

POSITION REGARD STATUS SOW ECONOMie ' THIS SFULD NOT REQUIRE

MUCH TIME SINCE UTILITY ANYTHINQ 1111:6 LoNiyINDED. IT WOULD

BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE UTILITY IS.fEbREp S SEUIOR EXPERT

THIS AREA. L

'

.a

REPORTS UTILITY 'HAS CANCELLED SCHEDULED

'

TRIP ITALY ORDER BE AVAILABLE. WE HAVE IN VO WAY SUGGESTED

ON HIS PART-0CR ENCOUgAEi ED THIS DECISION

SE C-R E T
TOR 17/4110Z

*-1

:E'CLASS.1:F1
E.0 AND
;
.'CTR
tELEASEU Iq
,ALItittit

. 60-i0ESNETHOVSIXt
.

ISENCt

. ...k ,i.if 1.4.16

A6'0611

kPrl0

4382E

CRINEf; 01.9401gUNE
:.qi.fE-.20V5
..

AC1

GROUP 1- EXCLUDEG/F, ROM AUTOMATIC-DOWNGRADING AND DTCLAtSIFICATigN

NT CiS8 SEC FN tOG
RLS'INT GOY SO EG'
. C/M06 / ? A
L/POL
L/OPS L/CE L/PLANS L/iE L/COMNO L/INT
:

C O S CA
Cg-)pc

0 .4

IN 1937 K

17 JAN 64

ROUTINE
171748Z

E .0 R E T

D=231

FRAN BONN
'RE FRAN 4490

NOW L/KELY BE BONN 25-26 JAN ;AND . WOULD LOOK FORWARD

MEETING WITH UTILITY PER REF IF THIS CAN BE WORKED INTO SCHEDULE.
PRESUMABLY THIS COULD BE DONE VIA EITHE4i*SEPARATE MEETING OR
A,..g,

UTILITY JOINING CHANCELLOR BRIEFING PER DIR 95050.

.SECR.ET
TOR 18/0755Z

OtC.LASSIF1

ED AND REL
CENTRAL
E
F. 11 8Y
/PTFLL
_,S,.)%il,h7E31.1ETHODSEXEhP1101i3t7NCi
3i321
WAR CR I
NES 01 SCLOSURE
114.11 ZOO5

AC1

-.

-Do

GROUP 1- EXCLUDED FROM AUTMAT I C DOWNGRAO NG

. C /M011 C/OPS OCA ItLS 1 Ni GO 'SO Esc;
L /OF'S LICE LIPtAu.s
7. 7 7: -

7-- 7 7"

NI

0E(LtiSS OF R CtiT5074
CRR :

SEC

L/CC.:.vAn L/pr:

..

TC H

TO

.-.0.-al;t:s

Jo:- : fr.,
p 0 , RI 0,:a
u
2 tP" 1100!la

_ .

,..:-.-..,:,,.

PROCESSING
PROPOSED

KO INDEXIKG EQUIRYD
ONLY QUALM
HCAOQUARIERS KZ
CAN NNE ONXXMO

'Iptiref.;,!'octiStisticias Gernsaty
.:.*Z.i...:-.::':it;:ia .:: :1

I"!''
;.:.

. '

XN.

'

"5"!4 :74-1Clilki Ni 16111.eh Lislace. base

SLIEUEIL-

t.

ACCO H.
PUSHED

ACTI11

'

WAKED FOR INDEXING

Ass-rkg.cr

ONCINMUi

Pt;S:Rril
-

ACTON REQUIRED REFERENCES

,
'

itAilti tbis- ines,tias f_irst Chtlatane in the

le ily-noniary: aeries
pant:Onri:ricre Viit . vie.: atrietsi 'lzustax final ta-..ena Chilltine: grOitingn to
OM

1.- .

/LItt;
*if. ;:

iv . Clibia :contend)* sarl:Etirientilnitn 'von

14r
:.
.

...

rnieiivoiti . lan diselilossin

drone& ont3.
the tolloning
from Washington,
.2. .: . Sinae no nooncgo =In
menned-ttifLITY . byband. 4:n 30 De/ember:

, ,
26 Decestor 3.963
.

.
.
,

.
.
.

-I . tor yoa:
.15o . roll9.!PlIg!insongo: vma roe/dyed free c
NUS

',irk:riled-Abe
: ;
.- ' . :. ririsiliniiiiii.:ttie
'."--'.alit .rhatington
11

iq:iiiiiiiit',*,a,7offa-:noastithokk ,..
" ..
1 -..
et
' 1. ;-.'"
rietiiiiiz_iini:"."
'
taillie-tiatiO:iiiiiieireiir.

initilbutigit
.,.2,....5.._
ciw
.
t
e

3
DECL.ASS IF I E 0
ARO REA F.L
.AS::".
i'w1T?`,L
INTELLIGENCE

2-

er

n.

441.11:ESMETHODSEXEIWILI:453E2Cil
CAZI.h'AR
CRII4ESDISCLOSURE*.0
'''*.. "
. CATE 2005_ ,:,

.._:.

11.

0*

_ ..

i i .44-

s s

...

6:,:,: i

I
Ity, r eocunic '
dovn,;.::::ini and
1
*tic:Amiga.

.
,

DATE TYPED

CM

...

6/4

EIMA6

-.

I
o

'DISPATCH STDRKX.JS.PCD

rCROSS REFERENCE TO

DATE DISPATCHED

. 1141114
'
li

Wee.'

r
fi
1P I ijirai
. -1 . tr. :,,..,.. ti

2 0 JAN 1964
-

63-00

RTS

nu momaR

ilg..2.-439/1

BES1 MIKKE, 031'4

7

%.0

E Ot

s.tlom

ATZACIET-W TO;

Ce.!7V.CT-Ttc.I=.

flI 1.1 -63633

17 &away 1964

rtrii.r:-: and
S3rueeke, 1230-15.1.5 hours
14 January 1991-

1. At, C._
party on 10 Jwnzurj Proeli xvroachod ra and all'mot brifora
ho bad naid hcalo bcDen. to spout oft about tho poor raorale at C:OIDL: 'wad .ato
inadaq=cics of ti-TILM"L, /to bardly,bothrs..red. to lower his voice, earl clziao
of other CATI.D.:'-`rd including CP7-4.1.0 . v;,erc 0434- a fey pl.rda au, I bushed
him up cod mado art. pciatzrat to meet him a fe y &gin later.

a;17
.

-;

br ncetiik,r with Biviea s he3:1 at the Brueche n 1.); Jam..nry. ' -v-trOf4c.
In a rare Mnod mad coemed to baro on. .e.hzolirto ocr4u1iiczt to toll:. Ile dished.'
up to dirt on arm::for mar two haarn.. a paid ho wanted to pans n thin
Z mrA th* future of
iuferomtiom becauce hnIals very coucerand 'at morale in 'CAT
. cma.
ruzpralcAT= . 7.-alatt. cos. Ue ar..% zitcl. that no= of the 'inforzatica hcorr
fact that most of it 1..na correct.
a boarcayorni rt.v.or,.but caid bc Imcw.
Thn car.reroation ra:..-Ucd..o.rotnad a good deal. onl . for the sake of clarity I have

considerab/y =organized it.

un_s

for z

cocuzata about him:

3. U.z.11Mrf
od and C_
the f4--at tcrpic disctr.s
vera not very flattering. The fancying vcro b1S =in point:
vas

a. 1.17:Thl.TIon Dole azoira in s'.'"ing in office until

he rabrc; retirenont co
g In 1965: His rido Fill not lethin resice
earlier. la order to chore up his position, he apcte.- practically cli.
hie tium hobnobbing vitb.Elme.i.,-stog . dcleEzten. and- milica7 official-% in Dann

.7

b. Since Erix.rd toot over:the erann ollor.obips. be h:J3 not met

"
r..!..W
ningle tiro. awl .U2U...L71. ban Celt .hitr.e.lf hrmilatcdhy.this.
Ecr.--nrery m11ra does not .m.7-. 0ct that rairxd.vill .rzpLwa. him p rior to - -t. at re-,
tlta elections in the fall of 199 4 c.na. then he. will be a Lzo..
tirerrmt. ago. trin-T-rr C'esires' to ploy' tho Solo of older atatcccon in,
the Cmren. intolligancp.ficld. a.fter retir=cnt.

c. 0-zp
... . ita vriz=va long abacnemi and preoecapatica sd.th his
pboition f ho
not let' Frame oleo make mica' decisiona,CAfirgit: The rcoult.in that {.7.0IDT.'' 31b drifts without deciciaaa
be i.z5
=dz..- Pm.; instance, pc=aentha ooraz. ,:zatEn cub:ILI:tad to
n'prop=ed CART prcia-om .fcr the 1:inter , Q1%-zstetin Ir.nobroc17.
unirmnevtx =aa iugr decicion riza poanibly naver orea rod. ,..AII7thlt,.61$.1. 1:-
pupor. Nov ncrthins in being done.

. 'prof : d. =rate s porquana policies ) oopoelnIly hia notorionS

erancns fOr.; rolativen: and, aid ercitiosp . .hao bad a var/. dair.c.inG . effect
on, iaOrtilekixt
. 1721=1T son= trams .ro-isonne1 oz.:Cr-0=14z; ca

ec

.1)6,
-la Of merit or cuitability: tar . ozra froguently he acts on the
a desire
boras:: &f. parsonol fairoattini) roi
of. obligaticran
to get rid.' of officers who have dinple-.
or

1DECLASSIF
c
I ED AND

R EL1: AS f :
ENTRAL INTELL IGENCE 46
(114 CESIIETH 0DSEXEMP1111.N
307E.
NAZ I WAR CR 114E.S 1 .1
SCI.051.111E Ael*

DATE 2305

'T

. '.

1 ilTc n ?

TieligNifini

Page :Tye

4. As a =Suit of tho oboro factorai Bre -0.k zaid that coral trt e!..i",.:.bif: haz -
' ...est rx.r.r.s'are.circu.1..sting, om-rAires .
azcm....d to tho 'mast point ever. The -.1.1.r
at vry high leralz. Ona or tha latest =a* is that TRILIT?.: vr.3 rams. corm-rata .
.
PapalLer ..
uith the IlOto rapelle.. Another is that t'4 itt tryir.Z to crre ast:..cond
(:..tfai another is that Preal4zat Johnson suzzcated to BT.:Ls:a r.t their ratent ..
ri.-attn r. that it would be a good idea to fire urnzz. The ye-..zz--sr cAtr.;z: orfiecm

Caz.::-...a silom Brca: . ntatera hispli. ): aro copecially disaffected, and Erotic said
that if Ccrrary were a Latin Ariaan cotaitry they woul& certainly havr.. or.niced a ir..2..ace revolution by nou. Broth ir_acribed the peried CAT . I.77. Is goinz
throe& et an agoay for all coacer"ed.. /for did he a=1;cct ttixj to get better
xmtil a =v. eh.ter of cATires -.raa appointed and =at or the preaent letacrokip
..
.
..ired or .suupt awcy..
, INT4

'
.

.i I.
II
I L

. :ItiO$14s

0.6ANIA
i
I.
..:
1"tIvAmill

i
:....:1

5, Eettn-ainG to =LET; Eroel: ,tatc& that be r=r..ins acutely atnmicious

-of F.IMA.111: and la tem-int:4 that r..T:.'ariC is out to get him. I ashel if c---1 "
talk uith UM= at C -r..r.iss tirm bad ch.angea. the sittztiono na'd..137.7oc r: grad,
tlaat if it ha& bo had swn no . evic'....cr.ce of it P .-4Oc tatc1he had. not tallmd. to
T1117 eftp-:: t_
-D vial: t ., but-had noticod that the deciaions =In .1-3y um=
ain te the.-vsit
-.ere still. in mato= i.vith. the politica he laicl daua bergre the - .
i
.viait. (Brot 27ftinit did not have a clue- az to uhs.t c _J bad. dtaccased vith . '.... 1.
.
DinaZefj. - '
'
.
.
- :
..I
6. Eat'ale .said that -ono or =tra il s in Grievances r...cir...st Y.T.:114M: is
I
..._3 am
hid: /. .,lidt, that -nem of . our people . in Bonn,. czacr irel ly i C..!
--sciid.
that
-possing derozatcary inforaation to the nelmps=11 about his, 'BrOn1.
.urnr_Er is Specially suspicious of E. _3 contest uith 3dk.ob Stsvfale of
:1
'..0.4.! 'Stern and an .Aseecist...-d. Press corrc y--ec,udont in Bomlicen UTEMT pr-Jviotoly ..:
_3 S 2..'ack said he
(tail is Csrl FLieN---4tesnr, c_
tracad. vith C_ __.onspectizd - that ' = 127u' ie.3 =spew ibla for .- tiizperitig n topes' chou.t
in tatravr t 5 ea'.

:.

.
..
'' .
.. 7. A ser.ri reaSon fa: innTrr t o foolin,.. abaut Eta.= fx hia coatint.
rtstut.a.:at'of our treant or c_. . _a . Brock zaid UMITY bellovc3-tb..2 dd.._
cisioa net to accept -c __D vas rxdo by - a cabalof maws level 1:11.1 .11'.?; officers .
1.4.1o:ere projudi,ced. ateinst L.TeralT:and too% earl or9=ttaity to atrilx ot his.
trrazrz as boLiovos the decision was etas vithout C_Dhearina of it.. trock.
s.aidAhot urnstrr ....7e out the story at CAXD-e; that be bad decided. to send . .
instosti of Trollhin,ston haestme the Farlis job :una more imartant.
_.J
C--to Paris
Tioutver, the trse-atory has leaked out rarl . it Is =sr co==i lasoUlcage that .
ELVIPZ t=1-....d C ,_.. clam 'for security rj..s c. ze.'
-
:
. a. , Prc If. ae....ttoci that he did nOt hvo all tho bachmearta cm the Spiegolf
Pallei . afar but amid that thla had also etibittcred UTILITY . ona oc,dad to his
.sup picica2s OS ElitArg . ITIIIITY Iniouri that Adczauer.. ..t.ricd- to Eat, rid of hirs .
r71d.)1 b1.1. 1feVr-g -014trtrm% jewinf Strfturm put-Adeasner up to this: UTIqa
atgrcets that 1:1171117: and the a lra cli Is 1.-a:re behind Strauss.. )3roct,oz.._-..,c1 t's.nt
Urd.t
rt cousiiiers Streuza his no. 1 enew.:..
.:-...

,... ,
7

.::-. I .
5 1 ;:

.s.,..;

i:..ou '4(1- '0 '

Fr ., 5 :s..-

fl . C

'.; : n tn.4

In

zi vi


F-,

't

SECRETASIMEt

Pace Ttmvo

9, aroek r.i...r.ct a-witched

Co (it'll:1M :uid hit; situation in thy Tr.S. He
_.
r
c:vid that conteatry to I. Zuchac ta statementa to 1:1114',P.Kera he uaa ...12.7ppy
in the
U.S. The reozon fm- thic id that be bc3 far too- little to do. Et:* meta
,.._3 f.'or Latch case every other uech and, bet-tr.ma to 1,.:21 acthinz to do.
cs.;.; et14:3i a rev br.lefin. put on by lot: 1...--.-elflr,ILIP 'Wiz.. ..This doaa . not .
cala elo;e to r..zhir^ up a. roe.C.i dad fa* a najar Damn
' al. A point or perocual
;
irritation to IZUchue in his belief that tkoilritiali . ene.' Preach repreamtativea
in Vre.i.im;1;t,cfn czerate oa a hiaher level thai be ace3. He beliov= that tIze ,
.
131-'
,:t.icli end rrer.eb ret-A-or.entativdo see . C -- froquently end arc conzulted on
.,. t
1..-ipartarit ?a1it-7; rtIttera. He ainc.olf, .ha tuvas La bzuidled by the Carman dealt
. i
Cr :I.:be Meachafa\zi.c.
.
I
... . ..
10. pi.Oek ris nat tame,. t.t,...7 Dc
' it t
, s .
' .. - lie id that D.00411 Is ADitital.
.
.
:
.,1
,
:!
and
in en izoccoiblo aittiatiou at C4'17D
:t. Ilia tvo chief sub3rair.ataly
i .I '...
i./
a:1cl -175-TIEV, cor.ticler him a caz.,leto incazicten.t and have al/ but WQ

1.
d to vex:: far him. Mira payn.no attention to 1: Leaaau and conaieero him
! 1
diepoar.I -arobloa. After the ouleide of IX:oat:Wszonj 'ITZELL."7 toad vit,h
. .
idea of cuttirz rid of- him by =Icing btu hio represens...ative in Auetralf.a, .
Then ha cent f..;aesau oa
a
1ea5
toz of the 'Far East.. llore r4...-ent/y, he rehoduled
.lktor..au for a low; tr.ta to Latin
cnim only to cat Id= out of 3104.
L,'21. 1Lrar1 a 1tOtirrin1.1.
- la to cempau to the U.S: in place of .(1-t.37.1..7E-3,vac,be laid up for at leent CIZ. moa.tbn cai may never cesmin remit full
.
activity.'
,

. 11.. It haeatte .obvioun at this paint :le

in raanon .fer taking
to rr... 1.= his closira to heapIs.,earzu i`rosi goirz to Michin.&-ten.. He declared that
ouch an ar:pointm'.iat would be adie.:_. star fce- bath fitafti.Z'oad. C.Ait=t Ea said
that Daemon liad abao/ute2y no inf l i== ca Untrer_=.d that no one:. in tie.11.1113
ueuld -ix*/ a.. r ettzraticra to %tat berer.orted from Wrzhinicten. In Ms. Preacint

otate, Deota uvula also Give the 7.VIVC.7;:. officers be dealtuith a vee7 ?Ger :::
of CA52:1-Dr, Thiz, inotand of ba-4r.4a n
ezlaincton. 141a could. .-*
1.,-7.11rove relationa be -..von KLTAII. and CAT= din-ir..3.the next critical: 7=1s
appointrmnt vould lead to KULARK raid CATZDF,' .c1j-iptirig.ireal=
With se= bit.tormer.a liro=h.7 0-mr.1:ed.
tt Vim= lami that 'Perirr-1.:.
7
'auittble ata for the Vriohin-;tca'
jobi but D3au ta.1 a diaPooal probiom and in
.
bia DMZ =.t Z001. trin= (1.41. not triad packanc. him oft . on l'araA:a..

- e-ai-VOZvi' aroek: aaidi iao the proper Dan for the Vashinstaa.. jab. E..
IreZITY'a co gifidezee cad UP.ILU'ruould liat,en to that he rMiortod from
ir-zton. Uin =arm- and. intellizerzo vould'alao .favorably impraos tho XlitltdMari
be oQt.-Breetz bald Clint he bad had eaver-...1 meetirv-Irith-UortclE aid had =aid.
hitti to try to cot tarmin to veto
aireointment anl volanta.sr for the
Job him-Jell', Itor, tilt-tea hail been non-cotzlittal.
.
.
.
.
waif trying to get.
13. Leturaius to. C.
1247&A: cam tbav C.
=mad to Poria ma rapidly 'az he could. lie realised that if be 'was Lit= at
-c:'DWE Ileaticuarters ibtan trrnnY denartaa. Ma . ticket to Paris uould nrobebly
be. reiancel 14th . one tack to the Du:Ideal:Wart.: . Eo1.7...ver, if bo once cot to . Paris
ha ho:.cad. to 1131.5
, on there for ,acoatizao at. lea.at;; - 73 r9.e-b &laid that the French
had

(7,..(7
EF

P-'\

V.'!
-4 4-.

:;'
ki
:

Po Pour

had been no mere encer to accept L

than - us wore, but that cut ot
to LTILITY th....; had nr2.1od cad taken him.

def.oronee

. s

said tlmt -the present cani . i-eprescntative in Paris: Q

-2 Jo rettaming to CAT= 11Cadfr.21rtei'D OCUt 15 rehr.unry

..3
.
to tr.ke . wor 33 Chief of Forcim .14a150o fr= f rsorteria. CJ oiscalm Pronch .C.

flzartly and is a. crest athor of the Isrv-ob. Havevor, he in trot equally

r
fordof E1111117..A,
,,,rodicted.that thinom uould not go co coraothly for - cad
us alltem bo tubes

;..
.
15. prOclz i si--self, if pr=ertt plans tt.M fir:ael lc,: viii leEV7e dra4ng
the Scamar to tal-.0 over a CE Dielztztello in F.burg. He is hepri and looldag
for.o-..rd to the assign=nt.- The only thing that could hold up bin tronsfm is
gentlem4n, 1,:hcme.
tho problea of p/zeins thepr-,:..^c-st holder or the job.
BtaCk
''redo but not the obility to mtcb.
did. not Tacntica,
1= a very
it. Ile hoe to be placed soncuhnre, but there are racy feu voccaci'es at his

craite.

16. Brock sai& his replacer:cut bos not jet been selected. One of the
oreadatcoizCOP..r ciao Isse---s. on COMEn gal . Brock said he es...4'd not rc.=.1.=
y 1 :3 true nam btr_t1FLo brother vao a bishop of either . Beget...abler or Possart.
=VI that Gay bat Uoi-Insd
with 10Mt--Zors bat= and zaz friendly to us.
El-xis therefore hapoik that be N ...mild
got the job.
.
c

'

7.

17. ALeont the lost point Brack tote.red on Una the problem of 1...9TE27.Vat
Successor. Ilc sold tla
- t 'Caw to the present otato of morale at CATIM n a
. UBILT:srl's 1xz duet"adathistrationi .r.:nore abect the cucccosich ore flying
th:_eck'ancl..fact.. ' rib moat ;(04.17 c.n.
.-o.a. atm.,/ is that JIM= Acill be-cmoceeded.
by a political po-roacace cf the zi.t.,nt celibre.- His deputy u-ould th.ce be ;A
rilltory officer, the most
=Ma:I-dates beinG gain or Corarol
1:i-Oefez said he thoucht 17:01m vould Continue to pLay a lora-ling role'
iz eitrjr, 110 =sttor tho toot aim, . .31x3Eing by the. ray the British bavo been
eottcrinc 9 to 4olcs 1ately/ .1.1i6c -e: said be '1.ieverr they think co toe. Brock
acrid cy 2aplo thin% that Vessel isthoTIT..k.ruT contlieLate for =I-tri ll s job.
. Pccsibly this is eir. to Ucsaelsa izesent ansiGernit La the U.S.
.
acti-t,e

:1

18. Dy'tho to e bed getten this for ve had ta31 over to ho-.
Sow,ral ;Urns Bazock rapite1 that he vns tclltng therm tbin only became
.o zia'cans at the state or are-1.11:.C/CATID I: relatia--a and his fear that ro--f1/64212 lotioqou'erc cottirz worse instead of hott=". I promised to hold his remarks .

if bo
would be vt1lini to coatious our corer- .
in strict confidence and
=sired.
astiCTS. at Lltor date,. Ito r.r.neetrYa ree.dily. no also cola ha uoated to

.=VidM
introame
re
to
coat
of
his
nonC AT-DP: frioads in licotich boforo he loares
, . and to gat together Galin cocially . vat7 coca.'
AF,:.

7y3pdt 16 January

199+

ROUTINE:

IN 1.958 K

18 JAN 6b.

T 1g16482

S'YE

BONN MUNI CITE FRAN 4527

REF DIR. 95231
.. Fti ARRANGE C.-. JrUTILITY rEETING KEEPING rE INFORKED.
S. E

*C

:f0Rt419/40252
.. .
..
'

0ECLASSIF11.0AND

RELEAq0
CENTRAL IHTELLIGENCE

t-.SENCI

SOUICESMETgODSEXEKPI ICCi 302E

f.:1,71160 CRIMES 01 SCIOSLIRE AC1

EJE 2005

:s

/TL

. .

i . EXCI.UD.ED .FPJ2gi ATCtMc 00%/74CR t

. . - .
.
s.O/DP Dr Rt. s
NT
JDCL

I./PPS LICE

/PLAN . S LIRE

&VD DECLASS fF t CAT

rasa s.cc

CORNO

.r+

FT!!

/POL

, .

''CLASSWICA.T4W

DI S P AT C H

TO

Chief of Base, Bonn

(ATTN.

.4i1 - c

g
. i i ..i:.9.,

,,,

E.:

'

-11

FROM

MAIIIED
KO

IMMUNE REQUIRED

RLADQUATIRS DESK
CAN KW 1000800.

ARSTRACT

VICKODUI

Rac,

Ref.:

FOE MOM

..
.., QuAuno

-'Cbief Mnnich Lieison.Base

,i.CperationalCATEM
AS.13t ' a 'err SUipiiniOna &lertiktrtic
.

:Mt

ACTION

Frolto

Cnier.of.Station, Gerseny
. Chief IN

WM.

PROCESSING

EGML-63718 ..()1CT T0110220

..

The fol/oving information given to us by 65roOk will be of interest to you:

. . .,.. .
'
A. Erbari vill not see urxprr and latter is also hsming difficulty
seeing Vestrick.
.

MIT.= re ains acutely suspicious of tozois and innouvinced.

that leaRARK is out to get him. OW
arfam unaft. is his belief.
some lie curl:mop/a in Boon , especially C,
,.....
are piesing derogatorY
informatir
cetO tbe..nevepezpare chant hie. )1ro ek Usit :that tTILITY is espscielly.
suspiCione of C.
:14Octlait 4itb Jakob Stehle and Carl rlick..8teger.
said he suspeotad. tbit4Volteclbehgenderf) lies responsible f
hisparing
stories abontr- li'lmith's ear.
1.7.
'

'B.

Ofhis'Imalm

'

....

. .

C. Neiticc ...CkTEUt.personneI are jockeying for positions and looking

out for their futures libiiii VtXF.TTrlcisves.
. '
.

"

'

r,

D. Carta* foreign services hsVe involved.themaelves in the question

of tercarz iiekrelttnaLikne" cosset?. th e Primal :particularly are trying to get a
man In al .lucietiijori,-viatvill:Ike vell-disposed towards them. Brook, ;toad not
s*yr
are sponsoring,
the.British ere also
active bntRraek:upecifted'onlY their efforts at cultivating 15p1.30reidt), This
...
is dm* by ' ..1.erezytime be visits Bonn.

'

'

il E : Ct.45;1f 3 ER
4 H1 RELEY.,7.
Cr, U.R,41. )VT.:L LI6E.
04Ci
- /- 7 -1
ti jitributiogis
5041R, E , A E
T A ) l'f 3 E X E t ., P 1 1 il i . 302 E
2 - c as ts= 1. ital I,/ i F? CR I ME s *di
S CLOSU R E AC I
2 , CCO/0 . fIKIE
2 005.
'
.

2 -- Chief, XX

t..

'

/4, X 47
.

..-.

:yr
....

irc,64
h ....Gf"
1 h,
. !:, ..lumowo
c
dr,T2,,.11;

gsn 72 c-,

..--;YA:Z.-.7.";2*-71?; Th:,''i'.;:t.-,..411.:i+f,.. :rea
e /--

26

'

Jan. .64

DisPATC$4 WOOL 'AND NUMBER

CTIOa a rtirtNA TO

wimx.63711.1...

A!1''

DATE otsKATCHED

DATE rrPC.,

and

dectulkdon

CI eW'

MEADQUAs .4.RA ..E HUMBER

ni:94,1
,:,,, (.
A.

'

. ....1

...:rn

Rs.

..-. 4 . Ng-

..-.1

=4

...

'

.,,K0iflO.A.TtO/4

if:. ,::
'.* *)11-
`krAjto

OFFICER

OEM( ,

ORIGINATING
rypinr

EV.

.ts\u'Pel "V

COMMATING

.i.r,Ncl;
,

*s>c,.).04
-i siN'

OfFICE SYMBOL

WPM'S NAME

DATE

5q'

. '41:%.01.:.

4"

!*:tzt.
i;"" .:

,v4,,..4ey,

2
4

,.

orticE S y eADOL

DATE

RELEASING'.
OrKIGUT'S SIONATURE

Mr

53

VOL ', Primus tDiTION *MACES 'DAD t Ice wo..C4 ymA , Kt yap:

OM.
1 i '-

.-

......

.....

.....V0.

;1:

P R I 0 F; Y
1711. 0R f
t y

1972 K

20 JAN 64 .

E T 201047Z

PRIORITY C . i FRAN MUNI INFO L

CITEc% ONN 5741

YOU HAVE APPOINTMENT WITH CHANCELLOR 25M AT 11000 HE

PROPOSES .' THAT YOU BEGIN WITH JUST .:fiNf T,WO 'OF: YOU AND .THAT SCHROEDER9
.

VON. HASSEL WESTRICK AND POSSIBLY ' 'ONE. OR Tii. 0 OTHERS BE CALLED IN ABOUT
CHIS "LAT4R NOT YET CONFIRMED

BRIEFING

1h30 FOR

-HOH.:100.W.PHI NC I P ALS .9 . BUT ONLY ALT4E,ONATIV 4.6ULD BE TO M 011.E .BRIEFING TO

.--SOHROEDEk'f'S OFFICE-. WHICH ONLY FIVE, MINUTES -Ai; AY. THIS. LEAVES.

Eg WITH KUBARK AND EMBASSY .

=UTILITY
AND CO'NFERENCI
AFA.E.NNOON,FREE'.4.,OR

,
.
.
ES. IRE.. .

'

DEN. ASS IF IED

AND REL
tASCO 3Y
C ENT!? 1', I
NTELLIGENC;
THOI 5EXEt,P1
ty,.11 WI!?

le

CR 114ES 01-SCLOSURE32

EST AVA

G O.E. 2005

.611:ay . 14 Exckimu :-ROM AbraKATiC OWNGRAOM tID VECLASS;r1CATOR:

. C/MDB C/OPr OCA RIS ENT
DC

GO SO E.G

NT CfS8

LjOPS f../CE 1/PLANS L/RL L/C014110.</iNT

F2N tOC RCr.:

ROUTINE

22 jAN 64

gq 2'35.56' ti;

S E . CR ET 221Y.0237
L

j INFO FRAN MUNI DIR CITE .ROVN 5757

_1 FROM L.

_a

REF . BONN .5741

RD NOW

SET FOR 1130. SCHROEDER AND VON HASSELNZILL JOIN

AT 120.64
e
S E:
TOR ..2211i572.
'
.

' ;.:

:.-.;';::*:

':,--

el-44111ff ES

4E3

re-kfRAL ivrEttigEmc.
sod,rifscierHOOSEXEKP7-04
NAZI

WAR C R I
&Ale 2005

r
EA:1

3311
MES 01 SCLOSURE AC1

....

-1: GROU: :1-: EXCLUDED., FROM AUTOMAT I C DOWNGRAD I NG AND DECLASS! F I CAT ION.

.
'''::!. ...2e1 NOri -:1F/OP

OCA ...RLS INT GO SO EG NT C/SB SEC FIN LOG REG

caa ;IX; 8 : L/0P3

:.

Lr,f 7

L/PLArri LIRE L/COMM) 4-C/INT L/POL

G (MB

617. *T.
'43 tsC

22 January 1964

t-sr%

4 jnw

'

E IT '

A INFO FRAN

ntioarrt SOU C
Muni

0/

CitILB

PRIORITY

TELtIOTE
RV? MUNI 8621

1. DECIDEEIARD7 WILL BB IN BORN AND PUNS PARLICIPA.2% =TIM. HE

AVAILABLE ..A=213.42 FRIDAY =bEFT BEM= 1500 AND 1800 WEN TIXD UP WITH
AftiithALLE

tirAittairBT

ILL DAT SATURDAY. aim ATEVERTLING ME211BEEiS

: w
tit) IltAtrEL 'BOXN f ir* SHORT . NCTICE IRYT GZETING vt EAGER TOrtiO

ATII.E.ASii:SRO.T.bat z THEIR: WILL

IMTING VA=PLkCL

,Tairr Comm . OF COURSE

11 DEGENEARDT VOTILD NOT BE.

AliAtintE RID&J(ElkliTOONAKVEN110144
.... 2. - ':I3ASE003:TROtlIOLINLCABLES; MAT IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO AA

*.

'

''

AS i3tI3GES;TED DIEt. . 95231. 7Thrrr

.
ii.;.,tirm:mirOU ON CALLIKAK :acvnormres - 03 r2a. 5754)

X$ON

"

Ii %ad I ASSUME

COULD- TEN ZEMIN -.)II1F2D "%MPS STAND ON L 3

YQR

:Ada& -SE
,
.

"-;

'

raD or =Eau

,a,t ,..erv:/Z

**
..::

4-*'.
,

1 ::

O ECLASSIFI 0
ANP Rtit:ASri.1 .8Y
CENTR \I. INTELL IGENCL AIENCY
.(311 CESME THO.DSEXEMP1
0+.1 3 il2E
\ ft CR IMES DI SCL 0111UE
EHE 2 00.5

DI S P AT C 11 '

-C, r%

PRO5018.1Na ;
KAMM

I.4a

Chief, .=

VAUD Klan=
ma tittaS0

ol 2tation, Germany

B . : a . : f_f
chief, RuniCh Liaison Base
,
.0perationsl CATIDE .
W'
L 3 .,...vriLITY mestie 25 January 1'464
.Chi e:

'

C.,..."Careat

Anwar

MMUS

ACTION RCQUCIZED

Hof.:

KOOS

ojuL=Deo4 .

B00-5757

1. After the top-level briefings given by the Chief MAW. the Ambas.. Others
sador and Mrs. wmThee ,hosted a luncheakin honor . of Mr. and Xis,
.. .andwife, C
:2 and. wife, Cessna Ferber and wife, Herr
attending vere:Esnd Frau /Crept' or theFonoff, UTILITX - ind C ....;31.
_
.
. .
,.
2. After lunch the men and women separated. Various topics ware dia.j[indicated it vas about time
cussed which need not be recorded. Than as C
' for him to depart he came over and asked MILITY to join him for a brief chat.
.
I joined also as all the others left. , General Farber almost sat downsgain,
but then firell y left too.
.
..
- 3. L a Nms glad that UTILITY had attended the briefing. UTILITY ex,
Pressed his appreciation and vas particularly grateful for the sessions which
. had taken place the previous day between =ZAP and fmawertung representatives.
urrurr had been briefed an the discussions which CATIDE
_.,..... considered Most useful.

4.
EL_ 3. said that during the morning briefing there vas talk of more
discussions on the military situation.
I mentioned that:RDegenbardt'vould be
visiting Washington in April at the invitation of the Chief,. EXHAF. C....1.:
stated that Vim Hassel bad indicated that he Wanted the discuiSiOns held in
Bonn. maarr recalled that something had been said as they were leaving but
it was as it were "between the doors". , c 3 asked VTILITY . to look into the

matter end let him know.

.
.
.
UTILITY observed that there were no real problems between our services

5.
and that everything was going veil. Be .vent on to my thathe bss lots of
internal problems. The first oea ette4.vms that of.a, g1=3"representative in
v aahteeton.
MISTY mentioned *f.1.4tt4C.S ..1 heart r.t=t-sak 3,7andhis intention that

95liehme. take over the Auswertang althoUgh undar -dnanhardt Be concluded that
he justdid not know how the Washimaton problem woUld'be -solved but he would
inform , a _1 later.

DistributiOnt
.2 - Chief, BE
2 ...

:..-i II. r, EL E I e , r:

', . S21120
Clr
etr.
.
tiv

DATE
2005
,
1

CIAD

. C4
7.1t),

. .# ' --;'.

'

4:14.141,0

cti,T,7
44,1

.. NA

'

*MODIVKWZ.

OPVICEMBOL

,/
..
.

'

....

Ra1A.SiN0

gratil ..
CM1
6.50

COORDINATING'

4 N.V
&4*.

new ro

y..'.

a
(rn6Ph

"14.;28/i

ORIGINATING'
TYPIST
..

OFFICOI .

MCC

144117fir

. ."1.Qt461

YezmA-63742

HEADQUARTERS nu KUSER

ruoiraa
1"W.PJ'

NM

. ,

,c?) LE

'

,R,

0= 048PAirkeD.

SCIVUR

Ct.. r... .

' 4"

:7 14
..
::::':"I .. .. '
k /4
L.,e,.4 44; .
. er r......, .. ... .2 ii":;/4:4.;'
..
) 64.
titRASZR
81141301.

sivatm
10114
s, 16 -w
.'db4 ItV E '. .I a i
'''';.Z:':.:-U?fis's/''';'...

cr:H2Tki.
R
t:.,r7LL

CCM iFtr,.-

Of FiCE. SYM001., .

OAT(
'
(40)

UGH PRIMOUS [01110N, /4CPCILCCS MR414100 V4004 MAY VC MO.

.

OffiCER'S SiGHATURE

..

. .

D S.PATCH.
J. .

,
:

 r.
-

DISAiCH SVAICH AND NO

CU.SiffICAIION

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

7'"

ICULA ,63T112

2492

1962 heart attacks had taken a rather Una:

..r17.L.ST noted that
toll in c.1117:13 and as a result preventive asesuree vere taken int& as periodic
physical exatainatices. As a result, there a eue ccay ta c snob attacks In 1963.

in

-3 about the release of personnel

su ested that =EMI Imfore '
during 1963 end ha relpinited the figure of .44troxillately OD noting as usual
; that not al/ sere released because of. security reasons.
I

7.

gg

8. X also suggested that WM/Tr cooseent on the problem of adoptizg

--szly*. .12.01 a very hot ise .*. .121T.121X
s P-44:4."h
47Wr
S re
carely saitVtbat they axe tieing ther=5;1=412 ea their tcp.itv.as,
traecratecid um:ra a woblea ocid slid that he Is often 'eked on the . jU
ehether;It aces!:UotAnCrinri--,1:154F4, civj1. 1hirticg. E
oda he sveifit that
it drape but that in-Ids:position bei:bad to give vp seaSof .his. civ13. libertdeso
so does a
therefore 804/zoo1d Others it sew Inuit to lack in
=AC.' L. - z ' taidtrILlite thit
mama>, to sot tiso itourrera
adopted eceisurdly-vide lend he referred to the enfoitunate ease of !Sgt. Dunlop.
-1

ztal

creg e t.lthich

ehe

9. : Jc' aw Pus
,
t i et this point. Es told 17f=rf how glad
he -ear to tiak to:'hi*: be entreated. regret that the vlsitlaskined2 that be
coati not give muzarr acre tisa a
M le hoped the. text. time be coed.
y

hed

te e

for

/OM
10.57 53a
f 40)

"

1.1S1 ?MOUS 101flON

IMAM 101/4
$1.21A AND SIM
WHICH An QIISCRITt.

.3;

.::: :...:.'.:J., .....

'

.,

.:f...'

'!
:.

DISPATCH-

DEA

PROCESSING
PRO.
POSED

ACTION

TO

Chief, ES

INFO.

Chief of Station, Germany

ONLY QukurlE0
HEADQUARTERS OW
CAN P.IDGE INDEXING

Chief, Munich Liaison Base

ABSTRACT

ACCO M.
PUSHED

MARKED FOR INDEXING

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

MICROFILM

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

Because of the action

e took

as

reported. in

EGMA-63740

of 17 January,

we are not forwarding to UTILrI ni the greetings sent with E3MW-13518 of 15 January.
I believe you will agree that a repetition of New Year's greetings would appear
strange.

Distribution
..2<rChie.f, BE
2 - COS/G
LiECL A SS1F I ED

AND REL

EASED B y
CENTV,L IGENCE E C
.A.1ESNETI-IODSEXEMP1
10'6 332E
NAZ I W
IR CRIMES
DI SCLOSURE AC1
LAE 2005

6n;ap 1
Excluded Iran altIVIIEriE
dam/Whig anti
clatanlAtotiStI

St-COM!r-

I CROSS REFERENCE TO

DATETYPED
.

3* Feb . 1964 .1

DATE DISPATCHED .

5 FE8 , 1g64

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGM-63819 .

EADQUARTERS FILE NUMBER

count'

It i S P AT C Fl
TO

cu,SSIFICATtON
SECRET

Chief, Munich Liaison Base

INFO.

Chief of Station, Germany

PROCESSING ACTION

-.ISM

MARKED FOR RIMING

L.

KO

C.

CAR MCC( Walk

Chief, EE
SUBJECT

main REQUIRED

war QtAUF1(0 MK

MICROFILM

- , - --

B r ansby Meeting with UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED

REFERENCES

.EGMA -63632.
I am forwarding under Separate cover (split transmission)
-43ransbylis report on his visit to Munich and talks with UTILITY
at the end of last year.

I believe these should fill in any

gaps in your information on the content of this visit.

Attachments:

A and B (usc, split)

DECLASSIFIED AND.
RtlEAVA ny
CENTRAL INTELLIGENa

SOURCESMETHOOSEXEMPtDistribution:
?I'"Cl
NAZIWARCRINESD
2 - Munich w/atts. .(usc) --it
14111".
19""UPE
41
1 - COS/G w/atts . (usc) .EATE
2005

.,
C C C/C

B;
614

..

cnoss REFERENCE TO

4 . 1'1.

-,. et ..

-
Ls

RI , R 4
p

CP

?i AI'

'

----

DISPATCH STIADOL AND NUMBER

--

. L--- - 114 e :

SECRET - MC

j. 2.36)....:*

mix

10 Februar y 1964

EGKW -13595
clAssmarim..

..n.

4,Tsmcf.y..047..k

32W-2-28/1

PROCESSING ACTION

SECRET

DI S P AT.C-H

wasnctmott

NAAR(' TOR INOTRINC

..-....

....

TO

CHIEF, EE
CHILI- OF STATION. GERM . 11Y-=7r0t, BORN CHIEF, MUNICH LIAISON BASE

INFO.

WWMT

ACT/ON

XX

ow inoconc IMIll(D

ORLY WAPNER DISK

CAN NOCE IROEXIND

CHIEF- PRA WFURT OPERATIONS BASE

CART/ E ...TICATIDE
" -IBM . 7.2179

mcionui

REQUIRED RETERENEZS

DELETE FROM IBM LISTING

,

1.

PLEASE DELEEETEE ' ECTS IBM NUMBER 12179 WHICH READS .-

.....

Ur=

GEHLEN FNU IIKKAK GENERASSZEMEXI

01 - 1956

MES[11 D

AS NEAR AS CAN BE DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION CAME FROM.THE

MATERIALW1CH CONTAINED A REFERENCE TO A COPY OF"GEHLEN" PARKED'
EE GI CARD
"MAIN"DEPT II", A BOOK OR REPORT CONTAINING 71.PAGES.
5711.
.
2. THE LISTING APPEARS IN . THE ALPHA INDEX AS WELL AS MALL
NUMERICAL PRINTOUTS, AND MAY LEAD TO CONSIDERABLE EMBARASSMENT.
r
-

APPROVED C'--1
.

DISTRIBUTION .-

111k0

BY TAPE
2 - EE
2 ... BONN
2 - KLB

BY POUCH
2 -. COS/G

.i...

C,

iet

CIROSS REFERENCE TO .

,.,.-

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED

OY
CENTRAL IN T rAliGENCE
ASENCI
!';Oir',ESMETHODSEXEMPTION 3D21
k4Z/WAR CR INES Dil $
, -DATE
YliKS OPSHUPASER
0 .1,T
/1 .

.0

nguX3A5RU

1 96 4

I I I !III

---W

CrlDrT
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

13 February 1964

*al-t-Wig and ..0

Bruecke
linner and Movie with wives
_

1. 'i6AWig made no Mention of travelling to London. He talked of visiting

some of the Dienststellem in the Cologne area..

:1/4

3)

.44144'

2. 1:1rf.i,'eMphasizing that it was unofficial, said that essu Is the

choice for Washington. He has already discussed. the, matter with him. Hartwig
Acted that many years agnUrILITT. had promiseC.Deasan that he would gei
Washington assignment. iriir;tviii. observed that we aLL know Heinz is a difficult
person, that he sticks hie nose where . it does not belong, tries to impress
people, etc.,. and he toped that Sainz would, not get into politics in Washington.
iTatti-Ag bald that the real problera 'about the assignment is b y (Heinz will conduct
nrezr in the Embassy. This _worries..1.1TIL=.;_Wheti I -asked if 'I could. discuss
, the' Washington assignment with !Dessau, Hartwig requested that I not. I expressed
the thought that :. 1)eisau t s wife alight be a little unhappy about going to Washington
t. just whehtyhille is' coming from Australia for two. and, a half years. :Hartwig
. agreed, but ' said that this WEIS DefUitill t 6 last. chance. I assumed that 'Oahy and.
:16.einel would not go . alOpg._ Hex wig confirmed this but said -that. it ' was possible
' Ulan the interpreter (Baerbei?) might be assigned to Washington as a secretary
,
next year. He did., not' want to indicate officially yet to :,Dessau but he intends
to consider it.
I.
3. I said that obviously .-Reinz : would be accepted if nominated,' that I knew
;.
of. no secirritY reasons why'he should not, etc.. I said absolutely nothing about
.
\ . Heinz being unacceptable or anything of the sort. I did note that obviously
the ideal. candidate would, be an up and coming Auwertung officer of thE:.gRoehl....
" . 'type 'who could, spend a couple of years with our ISCHA.P. 2.Hartirig agreed whole. heartedly and; said. that there are no such people. For example, someone is 01- .
ways saying that they need someone "likU '.......
eleming"
.. and . gartliig has to point out
1 that there is only one :i'ieining.'
......... _
,
.. 4. Hartwig said that :tatiiiiiii . must get back about 1 June and. that this is
imperative. He will be more than a Chief of Staff is the AusvertUng. He will
actually run it. ' ' Hartwig pointed out that :.1jegenhardt has really two shops ' the Auswertung and the psych warfare section under ' It o is la i (I believe this is .
. the iectiOn formerly headed b:f :,61/iersen,. Fleraing t e father, prior to his death.)
Anyway the plan is that DegenhardtWiLl sit backas the chief of both outfits
but all the real work will be done by 1Cuehne
.. .... . and..-.G.7...lar
...%...:
.

. EXTRACT: :TONT: (For your info only) . .

.
.
.

5. g artWirg again made Clearthat.he hopes to get to Washington to discus's

.
personnel matters-and he. noted that he had not been there since 1958. He
thought . springOf 1965 Would be a good time to go. I replied that I believed.
he would be welcome at any time that UTILITY chose to send him.
.DECLASSIF I ED AND

RE

LEASED. Di

CENTRAL INTELL;IGENCI: AGENCY

SOURCESMET
NAZ I WAR

IODSEXEI4P1 ION 392E

Ck IfriES DISCLOSURE AO

D AT E 2305

h N.. .74'

n ..

. :Pi:34,,t7.i:.41

3:4)gt:
i..
A

8 .z.'s...i
- e es, '.:;sk;:,;. ::,ez.

.-..r,....., ip

01

:...3
44.;1 .i.tf..2
7.4j V190...
'j 2
1.7.4'41 .j V

n.

r
.e0 1

CcRET
2-

6. I mentioned to Hartvig the _economy pressure that ve

are under an
that for example . I had to stop the CI 7 program for next year.
:Haitiiig
said that CATIPF had taken a substantial cut also. I
think he said five
million DM but am not sure.

Typed.: l February 196k

INTRA-STATION

MEMORANDUM

CLASSIFICATION

TO

Chief, Munic h
Attention;

Liio
nqn Base

FROM

Chief of Station, Germany

=DEM

Transmittal of Attached Sealed Envelope

DATE:

18 February '64

Please pass the attached envelope unopened to UTILITY.

It is a brief message from Headquarters concerning the recent
Soviet defector who appeared in Switzerland.

Attachment: USC TNP

Distribution:
2 - C/MLB w/att USC TNP
/

el/
DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED BY
CERN? IL I NTELLIGENCE AGENC1
SOUCE:, METHODSEXEMPTION 302E

WA CR I MESDISCLOSURE AC1
DATE 2005
NAZI

RELEASED BY:

.,

(:I_.ASSII:IEL/

C_

c_paa

ZI s f,

A,;
5
6i
-", - ..C....."--t:=zi.---vcf.-.. u-= --

1._

rarcary 1,64 .

ii

if

TO

____.......... ..

1 (

::::

in :-4 1

F:II9

BrEz INTO raw 3-za

8968

FROM:

DEFEME.0

1 ;MIC au:nme

MA)

NMI

....

tti" FUM

...

__I;

sis.
r an.=

COW:

PI3CRITY.

OPEUTIOI:M.
114t

8968

I8890

10 =lair anpaignmgrCLLDLor_logwtozt ism rum

matador Arso TR= AIM EE.tEME E0= ALSO maw= Emma 3.13 ma.
2. oirrrermly vir

Mg

Taw csx raw rascuseam 21,MaENCY

tenzracznyt.tremm eic mate W Itenc2 emmur unrix air=

wim;1 1,Tdule .zam
.
MT% BEi C01
0 3:00210.31I 'MOM= to roma csaioa ,anarapudnoa.
131=

kvaitz ram =pont ALSO BErms 143 reErrancr

DECLASSIFt

CEKTRAL

EtAftfi Etusksca

(5"4718A(74

SOUg.CES.KET!ljliEXEfiPliON

1147.1

3821.

lAJ E . WAFV.C.RIMES.-01SLOSURE
.2 00.5

4C1

tf..T.MIV.17 !

n ! ow: tiniceii

SECRET

REPRODUCTi0:1 :1Y OTHER THAU

tertiEtsnc:ATING cracr.t:

THE SJii OITICE 311RONrff.D.

r
uNr :
IDcr
unit :

CLJ!,,SSFikl)

Rounr3

E.SSA3E

2_
21-

6
//g

TO' s : Dill IMO MAU FEOB ENID (FOR OEN WALTrR) BELE RONA
FROM: WYE

'2

90117

CONF: C1%112; mica

File: 'CAIIILAN

UlITIAL

INFO 1

_
1. 0

UTOTRAN PROS ENID FOR GEN ii/tMLOTE MUNI

Dia

1 7 ..

RESATCALLIM
L. MEM DISCUSSION DEM IA/ SITE L

L1

AID r-- :1 rira 25 urlulfr,

PARTICIPATED In mizenxis MITE STATE BECEDIARLKO XI'S= mar vacx, COEFIRMCD oua
'

iRea-Ioa T1ATS.,s
EMUS OF purr

sNKEDIATE AND DESPERATE PURPOSSEA NIES TO SIT SONS

our OFR/9 RANDS AND LETO danmaacT- ELSE'S. ACCOST= TO unurr. AND

tc2;:i NEWSPAPERS or r# 2, PRIME/ DRAFT CONCERNS EXCLUSIVELY INDIVIDUALS:IC=2f

email,

mii WITS RACE CASE n44pimpo APPROVAL OF PRESIMET or TRIED sTaArBairIIarIZZOit.

ch

no PROVISION TmmAnerca AEI EIED OF GERIBAL COVERkME am FOR AEI mamma FIX
POSITIVE COLLECTION PURPOSES, IT WOULDMVI, mcrownaler, COVER RIS*UOBSAIOTATIXXV
14isji
.114apsaiSC
EUE4TI REQUIREMENTS. COMETS ON DRAFT, SOLICITED no; Tarzaa, ITT MID 4E04
1

oca
!ngs:
eg2C

AVE DI= DUISIOAUDED, .10.11I6TRT rnsneRnn TO MITE DISCUSSION SUCE NAM:Si TO

PARIVICITTABI 6oxicarruns,

. .

2. WE MED mum TO LET US RATE num EIS OSSARIZATIOWS commas AS

lutz

. IT WILL BE IIMSENTED TO C41/11114ET.

As MET IS PASSED TO US,. PRESUMABLY rim .26 WM

COMP

OCREELV/S, TO BA= TEEN UP.IE PEEOSING.. FON LESS NESTRIUrIvX LEOISLATIOS.

Ezite,ez CSVIODSLY, usuriva AND OTTER GERMAN SERVICES LL BE Locano To ).ILL1m8,'. =maim

xxci!rous
E
COODNATIQ OFF1CR9


Wei

fr

ft

01116 1CI

doyugrediug and:diteissmifieetion

r:-R-E-T

wTHENTICAT1NCI

itElikT:t1C 07110EP

OFFICER

/ U.
REPRODUCTION BY OTHER THAN TI-LE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED. ce p.
DECL

ASSIFIED

CENTR.;L

AND RE LEAGED
(TELL I GENCE

SOURCES MET HODGEXEMP

NAZ I WR C
GAIE

2305

RIMESDI

3Y

0 N 3d2E

SCUM RE \CI

CLASSIFIED PIESSAGE
C.11.3
11411f

R:NJT!NG

fi-E-C-R-E-T
:

IIATE :
:
URCIA:

9/217
OEKRRED

COW.:

ROUTINE

10 ..

PACE VO

"'PC

AP4AB3 TEAT imp= aubmws

WILL . BE

=Taman LAW TO COVER minim LICOTLEAL CAMS.

sccolionumm nununtana. isu6it IS 00?

TWO

T18 non

OPER:V[1014AL
114MCOIATE

901?

aTE

INFO

maim.%
PRORITI

co.
mm UP wriz sinutz

RITZA WOULD
TO

Z ,

PASS I= TO PABLIADItEr.

ENE or FEMME

.....

:x:GranriAntia OFFICERS

13.ECRET
f7LLEASII OFFICER

W.171:ZiITICATaC 0 FrICEO

REPRODUCTION BY OTHF.ii THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED.

Ccpy No.

ItiOu1LS

on 25 February.Mkjor Clazi the MAMMA

Ix:aiding in tho oompoond at 1500 hpari

fo.2- Anfrinial
- ,o
visit to

at.UTILITY's
Ottlpr.
ar
Trettner,
been In town
User
Itd.nt Goppel.
s;.

VECL AVSIF I
CEXTRA. 11i

Cr;iirICELT.tfET
p

.hc

AIE

ED AND
L

RELE,AsEn

!CENCI

AGEkti
`13;.,3EXEKP 1
(04 3 02(
CR I MES 01
SCi
2005
AU?

Mitt

..

rJ,

MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

request) 25 Februar y 1964

anU CI
UTILITY's office - 40 minutes'
UTILITY, Efoiii .

6.:.

r: 0.,

27'

.c7

1. I had asked for this meeting to pass UrILITY.info on Nosenko. When

Z7 was in town, I notified energe-mi; that he would

later learned that
immediately assumed 'we Wire there to discuss
accompany me. On arrival
'replied that he really had no husineEs
"Article 10" - the CAtiiiak:law:' C
.and had just tagged along: . .
2. 'CALLIKAIC

mum said that he probably., should tell us about develop-

. meats in Bonn the previous week. (Some of the info is contained in MUNT-9017.
although some of that originated, in newspapers and not with UTILITY.) unurr.
14000
Said that he Melly had briefed the "Kiel.= Fraktion" on.dATID'Euse of some.
of the CALLIEAVand they were very impressed. He ridiculedtOecherl's plans
to hold a . press conference. He felt it very_lmportant that we all work together/
on thaproposed law but he agreed with e_ _that any appearance of collusion.
must be avoided....He'was delighted with the American position that the law wo-2
not be sufficient and assumed we were behind it. c: __Tconfirmed that he vas,.
had won out: UTILITY agreed wit.
that the Ambassador had not agreed but
, CI 2Ythrxt British and French.as well as our State Department would favor a
sees
.
lh -radfra restrictive law than would the intelligence agencies. c_
develoPuents something like this: (1) Germans pass Allies draft law; kO . Americans consider it in Germany among themselves- (3) Matter referred back to USIB.
Latter sends outU.S.'position which then made known to Germans. .. .

said that he would remain ia close touch with '&orgalfwhen he got

C
back to Lh
He also asked fora . copy of thaCATIDE'Btellungnahme on
the draft law so that we would know what Position to support.

7*.i?"

EXTRACT: CALLMAK)
C/MLB

3. Nosenko: UTILITY thought that perhaps congratulations were in order

on the recent defection. I said .that was . the real subject of my viait since I
had a sealed. enielope for him on Nosenko And that I had not seen the contents..
He opened it and read the memorandum; then said merely that be was to keep it
to himself. (Based on COG ISM of 18 February.)

4. Soviet NIE: I told vaurr that I had passed a memorandum and c_ --7
material to Holm , and I explained that the memorandum had been passed to'State
Secretary Hopf last Friday in the absence of von Hassel. Ho l_magain asked if I
had not said that th:! . C_ =7 material was being given only - to CAME: I confirmed this but repeated my previous statements that it could be giventc MOD
personnel by CATIDE. UTILITY interrupted, to say be did not think.that they would
give these reports to MOD because he could not control their dissemination then.

I also raised the question of

said it had gone well.

c:

_21 recent visit tobonn. UTILITY merely

aSE

0 CI. AS S IF I E0 AND ft' L t_ AS'?

C,E.:;JRAL. INTELL IGENCE ;:;.3E2)
SCiJRC ES METHODS EXEMPT I eh 332E
ILAZ I WAR CRIMES DISCLOSURE AC]
U;..TE 2305

ia/ 7:7-6,

'tte-*

SEC

g-E-C-R-E-T
- 2 -7about follow-up
I then reminded UTILITY of the discussion with
'assumed, that we had 7'
discussions .on Soviet military capabilities. c- known that things bad. gotten off the .track when MODpeople said. .they.
'dtlieard about it and called. C.
ready for more discussions; glegenhar
got things straightened out.' .(gee
(This was all news to
EGMA on subject fiegenhardt!.visitind general Ferber involvement.) In Qom-,
unurr spoke
.menting on the desirability of F'erbei'accompanying
:to
look
intothe
matter.
isked:Holm
in terms of. CATIDE'inviting
him.
He
.
L

me.)C

taitAct:
.

CMLB.

5. c_ _J
I said cl.....:7 -would like to Meet with UTILITY and . Suggested
afternoon of 3'March or ' morning of 4th. UTILITY.suggested 1930 on the 3rd.
I regretted that this was not possiblasince C.--D was attending an Herrenahead at that time. UTILITY and SoiM'then went .avere typed schedule for the,
3rd. HOIM said .that'uniaNY did not have to
in the whole thing.
UTILITY . thenauggested . 1500.for his meet with

Participate

Holm:-: I asked Kolm - if he could lunch with CL

:3

because he goes. off. on two weeks leave starting next Sunday.

He regretted not

7. NSA: I mentioned that Kirby of NSA would he visiting aboUt 18,1Warch.

but. that UTIZTY: Meed not see him and arrangementswould be' made via IgHeuken
'by c_
=RAM:
_

:-

8.
. .Bonn:.
---- 1.7114.4.71 in.discussingCALLIKAK legislation expressed bewilderused. this
..ment,.aboutthe Chindellor's,position on:illthese matters. Copening to . mention the lick oeChancellory interest in intelligence matters
'and hOW. . he:bas'not been abletotalk toVestrick about them. urn= noted
that Westrick ii an old . mia and just not capable of handling so much.
.
.
. .

. 9. L._ :J was also discussed.

Typed: 27 February 1964

c-

r r.;:
'N,
T

Ei

.44

ET
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

UTILITY, ;fiiOyl,
UTILITY's Office

3 March 1964

d C:

1. Meeting was scheduled for 1500 but as usual guards at Rate had not
arrival,
been informed that I was bringing guest. This plus delay
1430 at Riem, made US ten minutes late. *ey111 Greeted us at door after obvious
alert by guards.
2. Wash Rep.:* C.
3 thanked UTILITY for the letter on nomination of
C.DesSau:'to Washington. He said would be fine appointment. UTILITY explained
that assignment promised long ago, reward, etc. I later asked UTILITY if letter
toCJ bad been sent'via((sKuebne. It was.
3. Station Changes: EL 3'said C ) had been here, that it decided
CZ_ .
Ail move to Bonn . about 10-15 September, that he would be on b pme leave
this summer . with . cACCS and C. :1 leaving PCS , in fall after 4: )
turn. C.
'CI
also said thatiC
;I w ould transfer to Bonn* to run operations
there, primarily against the . Soviet . target although there . are indications the
Satellite representatives are getting closer to Bonn all the time.
cfmLB: EL
3 : then disclosed that'f...
73, Itould replace C 10
4.
He said he had drafted a letter for UTILITY but bad tried to improve on the
English and bad not had time to have it retyped because he had come directly
from the plane. He proceeded to real all the facts in the letter and said
L. 1Would.deliver a co py later. For contents see attached letter which given
qiemitig by C.bad. said it could be given to one
3 5 March. C:
of UTIL1TY's aides. Two copies were pascoa in sealed envelope. UTILITY replied that C.. _ a would be welcome.
cabled this in IRAN-537 dated
5 March, ) (Per C.
. f:.b0Ut :C=-30 kt
told.
ago
3
lunch-same day.).

2. Cyprus: UTILITY asked about situation. C; . .3 replied he knew nothing

more than what had read in papers since not within hisarea although [L
involved,.

3: Ce6L.4IKAK: UTILITY repeated many of his previously expressed statements

on .CALLUCkk eituation. He said that the Ministry Of the Interior had tried to
put the blame for a poor law on the Parliament but this had not worked. He also
said that the Fornoff had been told it would take the U.S. three months to reach
a position (see cable). UTILITY also said that ::ATIDE had proposed that the
Chief of the. German cALLIKAK..organization be a trained laWyer but that he not be
a member of the courts: 'WOE feels that the main weakness of the draft law

is that itmixeb executive and judicial . functiona.

p-E,G-11-,E-T

;:-

DECLASS IF

ED AND RELEASED BY

CENTRAL INTELL IGENCE AGENCY

SOLOCES METHOOSEXEMPT ION 362E
NAZ I WAR CR IMES DI SCLOSURE AC1
BATE. 2305

r;

1.pf

S
CE4
111;) E
ff-i?C1.21'
- 2 UTILITY recommended that a new draft should be submitted, but when
asked who should submit, UTILITY was not sure. He said. that he would. talk to
the :-raaktIon leaders and pass the results to r J Later suggested this
be don-(rith C._
could. get up there if necessary,
3 In Bonn and
did not think it would take three months for the U.S. to react.
-A-32.4. UTILITY regretted he could. not attend. herrenabend because he was
leaving for Bonn. Be also told us that Family Minister Bruno Heck vas being
briefed by CAT.W2 today. Re considers him a good man.

Typed: 5 March 1964

SECRET
SECRET

z- c r .: n

4 ;

NIE Qc1,GF :

11

S-E-C-R-E-T

e/INILB
54
27 March 1964

ROUTING
-4

1
2
3

b- ER

IITFO FRAN

mura

934
,l!gt: CAB; DC/P113; COMO

CITE

INFO FRAN

DIR

run

934 1

')

CAT:EDE
REF FRAN 5962
ECR3 4865
SMOIGLY RRCOMEND COURTESY CALL
AVALLABLE. E

corAN antis

wOULD

vaurr

ALSO BE

16

OR 17 APRIL IF

wuurn PROVIDE BRIEFINGSIN

ANY DEPT% DESIRED. ADVISE,

En

OF MESSAGE

BECLASS IF I ED AND RELEASED BY

C.ENTR.ii. INTELLIGENCE CIENCI.

SOUCESNET HODSEXEMPII . ON 382E

t,1 f WAR CR INES DI SZLOSI.I . RE AC1 _
ATE 2305

Group I

Excluded front automatic

6sivngrading, and dec1sIifiCati cl

COORDINATING

orricas

Rarksina OFFICER
REPRODUCTION BY OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED

AUTItEllnuatfiG OFFICER

py (40:,

Co

4110.1./

DI5P'AT.0 H

CONF I DENT I AL

TO

CH 'I E F ,

'PROCESSING ACTION

SFICATION
CLASI

MARKED MR

EE

RIMING

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

INFO.

ONLY NALIfIED DESK

CHIEF OF STATION L_ GERMANY

CAMRIDGEINOGUNO

FROM

CHIEF

MUNICH LIAISON BASE

MICROFILM

SUBJECT

ADMINISTRATIVE
Acmckikiduliol Atnirbitial HUM

UTILITY'S
ANNIVERSARY WILL
ElOOFORWPARgIGREETTN-G V
S/N ITRTA YOU,N.
WE HE
OTHERWISE
-7SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR'S IN
FROMT
:1,....E 1
.3,',':.:.C.--_ 2.71.,:t,kRp,x;_
DR Z85Z5

DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
2 - CHIEF, EE .
2 - COSiG

,Lfrfti-A15.1111.EriP

.4.111

7r

Eti'..C.F;')

fi.S..i/w
.CP,E,;::(0
4 T:11:07Epts51:0E1IX6:sE'Ecti;;P:I
.:--.1:16;(;E

./'..iE

l005

AO.

CROUP I
Excluded from uuloataltc
'
I
_

doingridlnE sod

deduiltiatIal

CROSS REFERENCE TO

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

DATE

27 MARCH 1964

[..ail
.
. 10356 CLASSIFICATION

CONFIDENTIAL

HOS

FOIL NUMBER

-\
ROUTINE -

IN i167 M

30 MAR 64

SECRET 3017512

MUNI INFO FRAN CITECLL

F1.1004
REF MUNI 9344

3 ATTEMPT SET UP

WHEELON GLAD SEE UTILITY AND REQUESTS L

MEETING EARLIEST POSSIBLE AFTERNOON 16 APRIL ORDER CONCLUDE BEFORE

DEPARTURE FOR BERCHTESCADEN LATER.

SECRET
TOR 3 1/07 252

V V

ttr; t:14-;..,

"

44- 41
-t;

ri0,1

r;;.'

4'1
6'4 vi;

t VgiVi

1441"

DE CLASS I.F.

CE:ITR11.

1 ED

A.10 RCL
EASEB BY
INTELL IGENCE

.
SOURCEST,IETHODS.EXEIliP1 i
0;1 332E .
I W`11? CR IMES

OI .SCLOSUREAC
230.5

GRCq t=ErsCI !!:';;:.

Cit F)

CIOPS:
/!_

1 ! ;." *.
.

! /OP

1 7

/1 .'

1 /CF.

k! ',

; :f.;

!'

-;

iPt. 4;.Nci

tL

i. ir.:(-11-1/)

!:!1.

iP01

OIG :
.UNIT
CI
DATE TO :

EE/ G/cE -

1262

CONFIDENTIAL

-D-FILE IN CS FILE NO.

uN cH

FRANKFURT
On1y

ROUTINE

INFO

'' CITE DIR

FRAN

CAT I DS
REF:.ET

D EtEM EP,

DDP, ADDP, CI, Cl/OPS, VR

MUNI

I tIAR 6 11 22

Div
LE

CONE:

TO

1/412EN

NO INDEX

5751

FROM: DIRECTOR

INFO

LASSIFIED MESSAGE

_1

(t,

10356

01

DIR 28525, Ear 63

104

,f)

CONCUR
END OF LESSAGE

OEfAASSIFIE ,IRD

REL EASED S
y
CrfffT2 iiITE1LIGL-.7CE ,c3ENC1
50-11E,34ET1013EXEI,iPliEi 302E
N AZ I 4flR
li,,ES.OtSCLOSLIRE
A.C1
0.1E 2005

C/EE/G/CE
C/EE/G '
'

DDP

C/EE

'RELEASING OFFICER

Cirtth v fel AT INC OF

ftCD6

CONF T DENT TAT

11

avloffulic
E gclvded
cli" M
4"""
decUsillita

REPRODUCTION BY OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS '60HIBITED.

CATi NC
AU THE
OFFICER

Copy No.

CCNTACT ESPORT

.1
UTILXTY, L: . li and
urrun's Office, 1130-1150 hours
31 March 1964

C.

1
i
1
!
.;
.

.. 1. The sooting vas arranged to introduce EL . --2 ' . to UnZLITT prior to

114._trip to Washington and to schedule meetings for a nialber of 'Visitors to
:UATIDN.
liTILTrt'ves pleasant but somewhat Preoccupied and hurried,
.,.., _

and coonentima.briefly
2. I opened the *carting by introducing :)C.
a then
on bit trip to the U.S. with the Auswertumgiepresentatives, C_
1.
ramarkedsm his high regard for the Autmertung and thanked UTILITY for the
msny finished studies and assitsnes they have pro y ided mum smiled in
:1 would be Very hapialo carry greetings
gratification. I added thet . C.
:pOgg
to untime obi. friend/a in ildIARt tesdnuarters and traqrt MO, t1arik8 end
'; :
: .
rattled off a =ober of Itaustu6 incleding:C
_.......-.

.
bed broken his leg
3.
3 remarked that it was too bad
'
em,11i.
skiing and soul notbe ab/e to go to Washingten. UTILITY .v vary surprised.
had not previously heard of the accident. Ais first comment VOA that liortniene
&EA be
had donee stupid thing by goingetling on :the eve this trip. Then he jnaped
crOdzisa
up end telephoned GDreck and. said be wanted to know mho ues going to the U.S.
0:1 in VOrtaann'is place. He added that he wanted-to make an:re the replacement was
fully grOunded in the Dopes:sari snbstantive ficlAs. -iroci!# answer Could not
be heard and murr didn.s t mention -who the replacement would be.
Iz=r14

maw*
- 4. Tien/ said that C) bad given mn a birthday present for UTIL/TI
t:ZMM
Fts.
but that I:had forgotten it and would tend it over by special courier later. in
the fti. imIrrr. said that yes cagey anti that pis birthday didn't ccc.ae until
gglE: liter in.the . unek4 c_,7 and I added our congratulations to those of C- :1:-.. .
.
.
.

y days later in the week

be
in
town
n
fe
m
onti.oned
.
.
.
thst-C:
-)
vill
5.
X
E'rz7Ell
edcro: Os vacation.. .UTILSTf . smiled and said we should be . sure to.pess his greetings
to.

maw

.ri
C-

'

r-

WW1

0:21

L.

,. '

-i

*141 /-.

..:.

. - _

,-1 'planned to coae to-Munich during the. peek be,.

6. I said that c-
ginning 5' April snd.vonld - like:to 'Aye Call on UTILITY. Ins= said fine and
6 April would be the most convenient day.. at. added that his schedule for the
reaminderef . the weak . uas'aomathat . indeinite, but that if neeesaary be thought
be couldnlso armors a esting either inlienn or Munich an 9 or 10 April: /
.3 end latAiT1IXTrknov the date of his preference.
promised to inform E_.
I Went on to say that daring .E:_ 31.visit we thoUght he would with to upend.
moot of his time at the StatiOn in Frankfurt end at NU, end reserve his briefings
rroa CATInl until he came here PcS . inthe fall. vrmrrr said okay, the briefings
Could bawl-rented then. I,Concludedby Saying that .1--- :1 wished to have a dinner .
party for ft:
_flat his home, end UTILITY'said he - Would certainly try to
attend but that bit adbedul, vas quite indefinite..
T. Next 1 stateithat Colonel Wrie,ht J. She-rrisrd, J.2 soadcrtar'orre megm,
for a visit in.eurly RVhad . accepted CATIL/E'
to .arrive
invitationplanned.
and
,. .
.
.
.
DECLASS.,IF.I.ED AND RELEASED RY

./,4

CENTgWslic401TeVel I 0E N
CE AS E P. C, ).
SOURCESHETKOOSEXEMPIION302E. ;
NAZI WAR.CR IMES 01 SCLOSURE
4C1
fATE 2005

.7(.._-)'

-2Be wou/d be acccmvanied by a staff of about six officers not i ftelod lne Lt. Col.
of .DSANE0N. I said we would infonm u7strii Of a definite date of ZI7.errardra
arrive/ an soon as this vas known. :mart said okay, be Insulate happy to see
Sharrard.

Neat I stated that Dr. Albert P. Nbeeloa .EDBABW:Deputy Director of

Science an Technolocyp wesiplamaftig to peas throghiftaichos 1.6 Ail atai
would like tAtr\T a short visit to UT1L1TI. urturr was 'obviously in the darts
as to who Wheals:a vas and with IE._ j' smeistanan IenTisimidthis position.
dif=
UT1LTIT..than said he would ten.biiili like to meet Wheelos. but that it'
ficult foiliiss to tell so Par da advance whether this would be Pluvial:hie. He
vaket that he XV% not be in :Nib but wooldlet us know= Soonest he. could
if asingsg Coat:the laid on. I'seid tbat'Wheoloa ts plane arrived it um
. and if Posititat 'me vouliArke to have . the mMettng in the early afternoon. .
a bad written a
9.--Isaid we hod heard from our NeadqUarters:thai
Latter to urrazr accepting ZDe5ortinsH.06-efinem aucesesorand we yiduat to
acid thanks.
state that we Were very happy abouh-theappointment.
10. Wert I passed urn= our Blue No. 30273 conoArning anigrent
eX
il AX betweea the Luftwaffe end U.S.. Air FOrce. I esitillsat.adriar
cul
-#Sii*rizt: ..tbis;Ipgroeseent Idea 'stiu b;: negotiated, unurr rtialtthe,
i ergOeta for further
some,luteristand'said be would yeti it to hie
analYsis.
n
Thlicompletea the convermetioa and'Pali4oM and I took leave ;ti
deriptrted. -It was a very businesslitssession. rtrILMT didet seem to have
ititbacr's -the time or inclination foreman talk.

. . " .

Typed.: 6 April 1964

 r"'

ROUTIE

.-S:E2C:;13 E T 031550Z
. .
.41[15
CITE BONN 6088Th
;.".:17.1.:EriSE.- EXTEND

" :.

if

OUR CONGRATULATIONS TO UTILITY.

IN 4252 A

03 APR Y64

TOR i. -03/1614Z

O ECL ASS

IF I ED AND EL
CENTR AL
E ASED B
I NTELL IGER
Y
1.QC
NCEAG.ENCY
ESNETHOOSEXE101
RA
$0Z 1 1,1.4 R.CR

E ;!`,.IE 2
005

I MES

ION 382E

DI SCLOSURE AC1

.f

;",

r",

(.; f

3 4.1)., (-(.

1. /coqW:

CONFIDENTIAL
CORETDEffrYAL

1 CI 6!:
.
APR

15: 11.

15

' ^

00-(

C7MLBf Licammo

*';',;.-!1".

ROUTPIE

:
iatitrigPf?".

12CD

at

DECLASS IF
EA AND
CE NTR
1 L /
RELEAc
!"1. 71.1 .
I 61...s.NCE
S611.?CESMETWODSEXEtql
174111,Zre4
N.41
I
WAR
!Li;
CR I
.. 0
MES DI SCLU3UR. .3dIr'n'ti"
E
3 5

Aie

; .

1,,
.

CONFIDENTIAL
commomaa

,
..

..

. *.

.-

EXERACT:
weekend 21: May 64 ;
Hartwig & C- --)

'
.
- 5. Frankfurt Visit: I told Sartviri about
,J.Wtation to UTILITY to
e
, SiSit Frankfurt m3 $ Jzat, I noted that warn ha& said that . ho_vould take afcellar:!
:alongbut-that Lvas not sure vho also vould go. I thought .0eichi.in should. su:O.c6
::trit:inzs*:eVent. ' -#artVig agreed and thought that '41aurer and Pcibap: 'ciTof..ersen
houl go along too. I also suggested fdiolm and SartVii: again agreed. I reminded.
Sart
. VirthaVihey(1iartviglhadpada:the trip in 1961. hut that . ve . vould be 4eLighted
to . seeli.im-fSere again. Bartvig vas appreciative but said that he did not im.nt to
alai any bard feelingelirith ;Moeli..er and. that be vould stay out of it t (COIVENT:
:

.
s .

:f

r.

UiG

-.2-

.
..
I.t. appears l that fifOellar vould resent in.rtVlg t einvolvetient 'withAmericans.) (HaireArig', ..; ...!
':- seid.:.:t.fitit.the irOuld -takilq) this subject _vitt: IIZILIVI on Sunday evening also. I as-;; .1
'1iiiiiitlie.'giUi:P.I.:ieUld* have to deal 'wit
h diey1 on this' Frankfurt visit.... Hai-twiiT Baia..L.7
ttia:Olii?.a.uld:.tell icyl the outcoa= of the discussion vith.t
,
. 7 W
e: - -. S ...'.,:,....
'

. ..
,#.:,

,:-..;..:,.-.
.... ...
; . e.
. .... ......;
t..4
..,. .:.... ,:v,.. ,..., . ..... .. ....,. .. ;FM
CTs . 0/MLS
.
,- .

.. '
..
..
:..
..: ..
.,

..._.. _ ...:

,... 16. 1:117.LIIT Trip: . On .8unday.tar4rie said that he had to nee: WIL,T.TY demi '47% :, '....
w . t.Y. .a.st).:thcetiti'cit :; wilare..his t
' rain vas deParting:a:t 2200. At one point Sa.rtv5g got .:tiie;':
...;::;.;
tiiiia.Alitxt ZI;it.h.in4h:t *urnra. :vas 'going.:to:Paris 'and his fComment ins' "not tide'
r..4. 4.-
-..-..:=
.
_F
Inii
. .1. .1 t. ::A IAoiel'i,bidi'only , :tiat..trimwair had, said be should go to Paris to discuss-, (..L. ____ 11:::
.i..7..4...,

...-,:::
-7
.
r:;.5.,.,
...(,Ifieriti.f.'did:l'etirr ithere:'17211..ITr iras - &ins:. ..,....... .. ...
.4=i,-:....,:;.,-,44..
.:... , ...

..
,.

...1..1 ,

--

kl4
DE bbr

FI ED AND REL
EASED 131'
'CENTRAL .1NTELLIGENCE
SOinC,ESMETHOOSEXENPI
10 4.332E
NAZ I
WAR CR INESMISCLUGURE A
. C1
flATE 2005

CftleilatiS .

SECRET

M AY 19'

ii/Pd 41
MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence
VIA:

Deputy Director for Plans ).1n7 MAY M4

Assistant Deputy Director for Plans

SUBJECT:

Letters to the DCI from General GEHLEN

.4`

1. This memorandum is for your information.

2. Attached are two letters for the DCI. from General

-GEHLEN, President of the West.German Federal Intelligence

Service (BND). 'One of the letters expresses General GEHLENts
appreCiation for. theexcellent treatment and briefings given
, the Chief of Evaluatio:a
by CIA . to L
of the BND, during hi- visit to CIA Headquarters in April 1964.
The other letter expresses thanks for the greetings the
Direetor sent to General GEHLEN on the occasion of his sixtyseCond'birthday in April 1964.
DECLASSIFIED AND
CEh'TRAL INTELL

R ELE

ID::.3.E
NCV LSOURCESNET'1003EXEkP,110:,
Z
NAI Iv'IR CR !HIS
332E
B Al
E 2005
SCLOSURE AC1

Eastern

Chief
Europe Division

Attachment
Tab A - Two letters

GROli ? 1
Eald.t : : mu vilorrollc
1,1:nra,l,n; PA
\
I-

ilt43CSI:i7,1101

Der PrNsident des Bundesnachrichtendienstes

May 5th, 1964

.1

Dear Mr: Mc cone,

I wish to thank you very much for your
birthday . greetings which have been forwarded
to me via teletype. It was very kind of you.
to remember . this day.
Sincerely
....... yours,

1::,I

.r
Der Prasi dent des Bun desnachrichtendienstes

8. Mai 1964

h
t.: .
I:
F..
t

Sehrverehrter Mr. McCone!

HerrDethieffsen hat mir eoeben Ihre freundlichen GrUBe
Ubermittelt und von seiner 3-wOchigen Heide in die USA berichtet, zu der Sie ihn liebenswiirdigerweise eingeiaden hatten. Er ist stark beeindruckt durbh die Uberaus freundliche
Aufnahme von seiten eller Herren Ihres Dienstes, durch die
vorzUgliche.Organisation der Reise und durch die interessanten Briefings und Diskussionen im politischen, militarischen
und wirtschaftlichen Bereich.
Erlauben Sie*mir, daB ich Ihnen meinen dufrichtigen
Dank dafUr sage, daB Sie Herrn Dethleffsen diese Reise ermOglicht und auch den Herren seiner Begleitung-die Teilnahme'
an den Briefings wie an den anschliessendemFlug nach Cape
Kennedy, Ohama und Wright-Patterson . gestattet haben.
Wie mir Herr Dethleffsen sagte, hat sich in den. Briefings
und Diskussionen zu Meiner Preude eine weitgehende I:therein-7
stimMung ergeben. In den Fallen in denen das nicht so gewesen
sei; habe man in eller Offenheit die . beiderseitigen Standpunkte herausgestellt und gerade diese Offenheit babe Wesentlich zum gegenseitigen Verstandnis beigetragen.
Mir erscheint Asher die aus dem Teilnehmerkreis dieser
Diskussionen sowohl von seiten des CIA . wie des END vorgebrach
te:Anregung, diese unmittelbaren Gespracheisdhen . den 111117
renden Herren des DDI-wie der Auswertung des END fortzuset
zen . und in . Zukunft in kUrzeren Zeitabstdnden fortzufUhren,
sehr zweckmdssig.
Ich wUrde mich sehr freuen, wenn wir in einem halben'bis
einem Jahr Mr. Cline mit eineth entsPrechend zusammengesetzten
Team bei uns in MUnchen begrUBen litinnten.
Mit den besten GrUBen bin ich
Ihr ergebener

-E_:GPTA 6

( Sit.

-./ ?

-T1(
27 May 1964

SUBJECTOAssassment of UTILITY

1: Over the years UTILITY has been thoroughly described. My sessions with
him during the pest five years have been documented in detail in memoranda of
conversation Which are filed in 230.2 (Li4.0(71 1 1th 363).
.

.4

.2. In his official dealings vith me UTILITY has always been verycorrect
friendly and gracious.. Bismmi.ede, as with all men, varied but there
proper,
and
was little ormo change in the afore-mentioned eharacteriatice. Only UTILITY%
display Of verith or co mesa varied. And these variations seeMed less deterMined
by =Coda than byprevailing'attituAestmlards MARK or AberiCane in general.
AlmoiCalWeysthey were reactions Jo causatiye . factori On Our side or misinter
pretation of factors.' .
.

3.. In general, UTILITY and I were almost always on friendly terms. There
.vere fewissues I pushed vhichannoyed him except for the sourcing problem.. I
was Unable to make a breakthreugh:on this subject and neither lass anyone else.
.

'

ft-. I have .been imprissed by :UTILITY as a far-sighterindividualNbo.is

usually
planning:yearSehead. At the same time he has frecipently displayed his
.
naivete on,curreit..,problim4.

:Its difficult to judge UTILITY 'as an executive., The fact that he rules
iilth an: irOn'itend 'seems clear and his 'attitude :toWards ' his employees even in-the
is often slightly clictatorlia:::j.:We.:Ii'liveliOsAillit*it)oirt his
:1;Feii,14,014:4*B..
.-pooreMigemiaMitTe.em.....'.o#tailleOtia.difficult*O.*MieatWeeinAge'Fbeitein
of one pet however and. that is tTiILITX a
in vtilOIZ:iin'eNtY,Iii4ildi expect the head Of an intiligencY! ..il'erii Cit t.o
fiiilii=doeM'esntet-anduivaily
. *. 400** tfive years these have been
concerned /CEIBASC ::it CitiO32 matters.

'

.;

6...UTIIITI:1oves,andiliveis the intelligence business.'. except for his saner

vaimations he l.Siid6:61eims . ,tote4eintilme'off. DUrileg2Soeialevents Wprefers toend'ilieeMiii,40:Alltirig,shOP,although'he:can::beequaifq,:et-ease.iith.:4-variety
*i
Of othersUb)eiltStuch:ai Politici art, children, etc Only sports, excapt for
ng- bas been
teblth HOvever, his-pasiiOntaili
.seiling t ,:aPpeirArninteresting
.
.
.
velldescribed.

7. UT1LITY's immediate goal seems to be to finish oUthis career through

three mors.yearSWhen he retires at age 65. I believe he is fighting hard to
Nririgthis time it is essential that =LIT be given his due amount
. of attention and courtesies. More frequent meetings in Bonn between La: Chief of
Ziution and UTZLITT should help immensely.

1)

'

'

Ni

MI

1:?:1

DECLASSIFIED AND RELF.A

tl:1;
CENTRAL INT:LLIGENCE AG
-S . 0-11 ft C-E . F,

T :10 D3 E X EMP

I" le3 2f

NAZI WAR CRIMES DISCLOSURE AC]

111\111005

RET

-.651765//

Jeocessisc

CLASSIFICATNX4

DES.PAT.,001-1

S.ECRET

wino rcat_titounts

m .CHIEF, MUNICH LIAISON BASE

ACTION

XX

ATTN -

NO INDIXING SEQUINED
WILT QUALInED DESK
CAN JUDGE INDEXING

INFO.
ZHIEf, EE

CHIEF OF STATION

N IGNM IUF

GERMA

sumo'

wale

=ION REQI.IIREO - REFERENCES

YOUR

I. PLEASE

EARLI

VEN ENCE

-LOW G ME

GE TO UTILITY 1 S OFFICE AT

IT IS A RLEASURE TO BE IN A POSITION TO INFORM YOU

THAT YOUR VISIT TO FRANKFURT WILL'COINCIDE WITH-A VISIT OF A GROW!
OF WRY SENIOR OFFICIALS WHO ARE STUDYING THE CAPABILITY OF THE
. UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE
WARNING OF HOSTILITIES. THIS GROUP WILL BE COMPOSZO OF THE FOLLOWING
tli MR: BENJAMIN R. SHUTE WHOM YOU . MET YEARS AGO WHEN
4

HE WAS MR. MCCLOY e Silig

Mt:DIRECTOR OF INTELLIGENCE. HE IS A PARTNER OF

THE CRAVATH LAW FIRM IK NEW YORK AND WAS THE .EXECUT1VE DIRECTOR OF
A COMMITTEE WHICH ESTABLISHED THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY IN 1952.
t2/ MAJOR GENERAL JOHN M. REYNOLDS, USAF. GENERAL
REYNOLDS $ LAST ASSIGNMENT WAS VICE-DIRECTOR OF THE JOINT STAFF. HE
WAS RECENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE. STAFF OF MR. MCCONE IN RESPONSE TO A
REQUIREMENT THAT A HIGHLY QUALIFIED SENIOR MILITARY OFFICER BE PRO'VIDEO TO THE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCO WORK ON THE EVALUATION AND COORDINATION OF THE U.S. .INTELLIGENCE EFFORT.
/3/ HR. GERRY E. PETTIBONE, A SENIOR EXAMINER OF THE
BUREAU OF THE BUDGET.
J J HITCHCOCK, ;/1-10 FOR MANY YEARS WAS- THE CHAIR/41
MAN OF THE NATIONAL INDIcATIONs CENTER.
/5/

HR. BENSON BUFFHAM OFANATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY.

/6/ COLONEL HOWARD V. PULLEN. USAF.

DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
- C, MLB
2 - C. EE
MOSS REFERENCE TO

BEST MIMICLE Cory

DATE

ENSPATCH ;MOM AND NUMBER

EGOT-23434
CLASSIfIrArION

SECRET

IC NT AMILIZI8* 1.91

D ECLASSIFIED

AND R
ELEASED PY
CENTRAL. INT ELLI.GENCE ASENC)
SOURCESM ETH00SEXE14PI IDN 3a2E
L.1.21 WAR CRIMES D
ISCLOSURE ACT
BATE 2305

ClAS$01CIION

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

0IICN vri.001

SECRET

.040

NO.

EGOT-23434

j7/ CAPTAIN ROSS R. HIRSHFELD 6ELL KNOWN TO YOU FROM

HIS SERVICE IN GERA:44'9, U.S. WAVY.
B.
WITH YOUR AGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE'YOU 4140.
YOUR CHIEF OF COMMK;IN ICATIOW . TO MEET WITH . THIS GROUP FOR 45 MINUTES
OR AN HOUREIEFORZ
ANO THEN TO HAVE LUNCH WITH THEM AT THE
.CASINO. WE PLAN TO HAVE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF JOIN THE
- GROUP FOR LUNCH.
C.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE NECESSARY OR EVEN
APPROPRIATE TO ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE .THE GROUP . WITH A BRIEFING. THEY
ARE, WELL. ACMAINTED WIN.THE LONGJRADITION OF COOPERATION BETWEEN .
YOUR SERVICE AND THE'AMERICAN SERVICES.AND . THEY WILL HAVE SEEN
.
BRIEFED BY MR.-MADISOWMITCHELL IANCERNINW,THE FUUCTIONING'OF THE

'ATG/CGG CHANNEL,'I'AitkilitAN THL SOANING; IHEIC8ASICiNTERESTI1S IN

.

THE EFFECiiiiNtitOF OURNARICUS - INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES , 'COLLECTION,

PROCE:SING.-ANALYSIS AND VALUATIC' AS CprRI&UTIQNS.TO

-i4sEkiEVE-TAAT7THE::HOF-VAIWZ G. ma:Zs
ZAA DO iS TO

STRATEGIC

.WARNIUGHAVE

implo-usulascusstom.4.
C

. ALSO JO

END

mm
lov 530

.t'4144~Mre-4-4dIriGers-Wiiii

O' ^it IN OUR BRIE !NG RA R T AN NeA'S7

LUNCH.

ILL

OF TT/2-044/WASH/5ZO/ HU N I J DISPATCH EGOT-23434

AG

csA>,soic.Tioet

USE ruvious tvnow .

tirtACES retie;
5147. 51 .716. ANL) 11%:k.

NO;

CCINTINUCO

WHICH .4:1"...'JN4)11.11.

4.4411114e

'13i:,.4"4,''''''..!s,.;,n;:A;.:121'..'4.1 ''',/, .1

1. 4 . *

"

;elk

S.ECRET

MORANDUM OF CORMIATION

. 15 June 1964.

Participants: With wives-.UTILTTY, Wagner, @Hartwig) LI

and

:alone

farewell dinner foi UTILITY. It vas a pleasant

1. Cn- 15 June I gave
said that he had disevening and I. discussed practically no business. ,C...
cussed .a few. matters vith trinarr. At dinner I toasted um= and be responded.
with kind Words. and. a toast also. Mrs. UTILITY was her usual bubbly self and.
try.

seemed. to enjoy. the evening very much.

2. As a . farewell gift * I gave UTILITY'. a speddoseter for his boat. Mrs.

UTILITY was.. giVen4. set Of.:Irish:linen. tablecloth and napkins, urnart
Mrs c.
ifYiiiphenbizrg . demitasse cups and saucers to go with three previously. given. ,
fareFel-1 partfat ,.CATIDE . on 8 June UTILITY had. given um
a
ki.iiithetiiuieliceas:
-O.:lat'evell gift.
gave

2three

. 3. .
farewell gift frosi*leatingi

banded zi* a ' bottle

of 1949 Niersteiner wine

as a

I gave UTILITY, Wagner. and Hei-tiig =lento Kennedy half-dollars.

Typed.:

18 June 1964

DE.CLASSIFI

CEKTR.d.
Pill WAR

ED Alt0

EELEAsEn Sy

TELL1617:c.
CRI

E:.JE. 2035

MESDISCLOSURE

AC1

SECRET
,;{.30.er/Y

762

MEMORANDIJM OF CCWVERSATION
15

Jrne 1964

mint, r: 3 and C..

urnsrris office * 1005-1110 hours
3

1. ciiev11 escorted us to 171'I1ITY s Office but did not participate' in the discussions. C I expressed his pleasure at being able to wet vith . DTILITY again
and corveyed greeting from the Chief: MBANK as vall as the Chief, KliDOVE. He
mentioned that he bad just Bade a trip to Greece end Cyprus end a brief discussion
of the latter issue ensued.
U.S. Ysit L -3 ' repeated his invitation to Unita to visit the States
2.
end. recalled that he had previously made the invitation last November during his
visit to Munich. MI= said. be bad been tvorniringabolit such a trip end. thought
that perhaps he would do it .sceeetine in the ital. C a . said. that he would. recommend the visit be lade after the elections in nvesber tirn=.141141- he imuld
check his sichefiulap that this Might be quite poesible end exPressed theintent to
travel by ship. He then- recalled briefly the 'difficulties that arose When be made
his last trip to the Statei by ship.
_
CALLIKAKS IMILTIR raised this subject by referring to the Cabinet session
3.
on which .03Holm bed briefed me. UTILTTY repeated..Z011ais reccessandatia3. that the Allies
ccr:fu.1.1.e.-.---agt. He told us also that the' Ministri cir Justice rec- __;-,4A.
ognizei that the Iasi Is no gooi . and the -Ministry of :Interior, whirl drafted the

original law, now also feels the same Way. Mr. Erler Of the Slip maintaine.that. the
eisedth.. *ifitr
Chief, of FAT= should be in charge of administering the law: c
question of timing as fir ea paasege of the legislation is concerted. en d. *VEllrrria . .
in
view was that passage . of the law this winter could be a reel poesdbilitY
abort the visit of the ?rektion leaders on 6 July to Munich end .,.1397:11117.4eid thepurpose will be to 'brief them on hey 'monitoring should be handled in the 'future.

4. TV: limner said. that the telecrisioa pregrais cn, the, organitatioti wohld. be =I
surpearing on alai and. he burred Winterstein as . the interacas for 'additional: details 41a=
Wintcrstein said .t the main title 'would be Organimatioa Oehlenwith.the 's-title
called *frer!Tremde Herm' Oat to BED".. usurn did nt . fhilik t4e.mmiatitle was too
good. end...V.itte.;i:.eiri agreed but indicat,ed, there ma little they could eit.a. It will iczeu
be shown frees 2015..to 2103.
5. ICULMSS: , I gave =LI= Biw memo No. 30672 containing biographic data on
the ChiefTRLUSS . . C 3 i observed that the memo did. not really explain how ve got .
the Chief, la(BASS and that it wee . really a. question of motivation since ohriously he Psmies
could. be drawing- down a much larger salary in private business .
41:40/tP

6.
Frankfurt Waits ..Winteratein was given Yellow memo No. 30675 eth.tr"ling
is invitation for UM= to Cet2
the agenda for theFraakfurt Visit. I repeated . '
stay with him. Vim= sma mrateful but said that he had. other business to condzsct
end be would ste;y in a ,pAiT-40 residence.
.
-.' .-_...
a. I also passel d. Blue memo No. 30674- explaining the ellke-uP of .!'1.--le 'fflu.rtif
Group which =rim would be meeting in Frankfurt.
/

C T.:::(-- !,-;:,

/9

z4O

0 44 77.

fs/a/Y

liz

,--v

s f.:,b1R.

!..--_./.1!,/

fr , T. ---
4-cos-,/,.::

. ---

DEGLASSIF I ED AND RELEASED RY

CENTR \L INTELL IGENCE AGENC.`
Sri;1.

NAZ

CE:74E1DDS E XElv.;P1 4 0:;302.E.

114AR CR IMES DISCLOSURE AC!

St.IE 2005

tv

1:I'S:CHET
-27. 13.94: . I gave urn= Yellow memo No. 30676 concerning the Invisible Government Mitpassed a copy of the book itself.
discussed briefly the
faults of the book: and hew it played right into KOH hands. UTILITY's reaction was
that peetmesW717. should give the ham* to Zrier with comments. I called UTTLITY's
attention to the fact that the comments which were attached to my memo Should not be
attributed to XUBARK.

8. Africa:
a. Congo: C
..raiied this subject in context with hie former job as
of the African Division noting that the matter of most concern is the Congo.
He vain that we have not given pp on Adoula and that we won't attempt to overthrow
him.. fEl "'then went on to cite the general Headquarters attitude as contaieed_le,.
DIR-2b230. He .recommended that it would be a good idea to coordinate betweenpArJO,
and , pHARK on geheral Objectives on the Congo lie iLso informedETTLITY that if
.:COIDN
: pUts'a newian In Leopoldville, we would be glad to have contact and see him
,'
OcCaSionallT. Both C.
and UTILITY agreed thatI4ohete Makes a gOod ippression
and UTILITY said thatlehombe was vaitiag in Spain to take over part of the Congo.
commeated Onliendakes importance pointing out that be ceuld however go to
the wrong side. El 3 felt that we must stay close to Neudaka,
chief

'

b. Tangaayika: Answering UTILla's inquiry concerningityere, C. 3 said

that he was an idealist and not tough enough although his instincta are gebod: There
is not enough'iron in his soul but be is modest, intelligent and likeable.

.."1 and UTILITY diacussed the effects of the Chinese/Soviet rift

on activities In Africa and ; C 3 mentioned the Chinese defector who has taken refuge
in the d.s. Embassy in Burundi,. He said that the local nationa1:1;1:o are maintaining
that the defector thpeld be turned back to the Chinese; however, the effect of such
aa . actioa by the U.S. is also clear. He assured UTILITY that various methods for
evaCuating the defeetor vers being considered.

9. KUMEK/Bonn: UTILITY coamented on the Plans to move the German station to

Bonn and expreseed aoaelete agreement. He then vent on to say that he felt our codt.a4i* with tha:Germans,Will be harder over the next two years because
in not
interested iii:Intelligenci, and:Sereker is not n strong tan. 71'It1TY said he had
told L. 1 that he Ohodld.lave-coniaCt withikrone

. .10.. Commiliatim oa . the ' lriait in June. by theBechnungshof: uTiLlTr said that
would not be getting additional moniea and that things were tighting

CA11.4J.B

11. After-the @bele Seseiom we moved down ip ons_pr the conferee roamc.vhere
With n1 l'i)0.1J
iensl.,
Roatit and Rirtieaui. Roehi
03.1
duicuzseut eLBP/Blitreati in considerable detall -Sed then vent on to comment.
-11Weriti . Ileitern Met:Iona. After 30 minutes / Deeeeu interrupted to any that time
seemed.te be .runding;Out;andirbe vas going to cover his area, he rtqd have to
tail(nOv. He explained that ReilIn vas :,taking over today from Deltau and then,
utilimine charts, he.deileribeeormanitation vhiCh %IBA listed 6n the chart as
r'aperativrr cchcigrar mciefiienet". Oi g iau
also referred to the Be'za problem and
-

fr"-

gisT giVklik LE CO.

S 3

.^""

SECRET
-

3 -

_acid that be had heard about U.S. intentions to reduce. He continued by NATIAS
CAMS nculd.regret a U.S. reduction but would try to

place perwonnel Vho are reAte % feltthat the matter could not be discuesedietbecause the people'dcn't
kaair rabant . it.sinee thexeduction goes into
effect on 22 -June. On operational.
aattd

railk6mCitatid:tbat the DDR vas sure of a denied area then the Satellites
end that it'takei 140 apiaroachas and about one mad
a half years to find one socrev
EXTRACT: C

12. At the conclusion of beisaa-ls talk ve were joined by Wagner

and's* moved
to the fop= fora glass of sherry foiloved by the luncheon vdlicitiregaer
hooted.
This concluded the first day's session.

Typed: . 17

"Il

q%ne 196k .

'

CLAINPICABON

', :
,

PROCESSING

SZCEZT
Chief,
.,

ACCOU.
PUSHED

POSER

lUsEEIV

Et

Chief of 8taticm, GermartY

Aga= '

.i7E4FA:

Chief, guaidh Liaison Base

"" 14

.111232110

PO' memo

SECTART
KICEDRI31

SUSJECT

Ooarati W .1
.3 1 7.

oavs

ACnOti REQ014CD

CAT14=

with CATIDV

RCYLIZeNcEs

AMAiclua,ore three memoranda of conversation dealing with C.;.

0601Wwwl Wintersteini, Your attention im itiViZeas
meetings.yith-t= 1
partiduiarlOTILIMY'S teniatiaaCeptanOe of Li
iavitatioa to viait
1.

vasliniEaunert.NaiSOber.

2. SNOt
vith ri! =
of

',statement that

abon.0.;900

repartid last Zia:a:nary in 2:G1a-63631.

For the . deletions.in pera 4. of meeting vith

MISTY* anct .wCATIDE'.

unirrro

trans coincides

read truo meanings

Attachments:
ThresIsamorsada of conversation h/v
rE.C1-1,s/F:

Distributions
2 - Chisf, XS v/1 ci ea of att. h/v
2 . COSA v/1 cy ea of att. h/v
'

772:60 gaV;ky

ro

t.

ED AND R;r:LEASEO
T2
T,7.LL !BENCE .-.
.:Efih2)
CR/ NOCSEXEliPliti 3;12E
I

,1 -/1
i R
LIE 2305

MES-DISCLOSInE 1,E1

4/7.s.
1

t.1 ;ris 1,).

m'at
.11;:'1 A

N;;;;,1, rex
11".

.e-.512.....;<

aasTano
18 June
s CROSS

RMIENCE

CURATE:SI SYMBOL

TO

64
AMR NUMBER

}wa.s.o, -

64762

2,..1 fILE NUM13E1

HEADQutailm
CLASS:RW.110N

EISCRXT
oimcg

OFFICER

ORIGINATING
TYPIST

COORDINATING
OFFICE SITIATIO(.

OFFICE STW3OL

OFMCOVI RUM

'DATE

amerce:am:rue:I .

.
FORM
6 60

00

U66

poitytous comoN. wucts,61111610b maw

MAY at 1.11CD. '?)

ly/rh,

CATE OORATCHID

.4f

R (MRS)
vmS'A:(report omiti&iiEfi ra vlsit to }{LE) - filed 1.55. 1. 0i)Eii

.i

LLER Oplairied ,.that it vas increasingly difficult for anybody

and Often ainiy, , .He : said that he felt

eUIrXea3ysy
For . ekaisPlei: he had himself been pressing
on:21Car 64 . to:have :- uma-Tr intro.that an OPportionitY. had never'presented
--- s .
rinity 'on 'thesnieat Of- 8::Inne:**-,..-

.10

DECLASSIFIED AND RE
LEASF:D .'!Y
CEtqir:L
TE1LI6ENCI:

tel

2":',E11913EXEt.
ti.4a CIt NESDI

iE 2395

322i

SCLO5UCIE AC1

1.8.-C' 1 E;T.,

4.,

CONBACT REPORT

General johnscnt s Visit to C-ATIbb'

urn.nir, . traci.ua,TWagner EDuerer; CGrau,.: .*YaSsi, Twci Interpreters
t
General Johnecai Major Ray
Clark and c_
1000 - 1460 hours
.22 June 1964

-- Headquarters to call on
escorted General jobnacn to '--GAT EDE
mina= and. receive a briefing at :citing:' 3-Oneon t a Visit Vail in response to an
tation from taurrr. Major Nay Clark / the Army Liaison Officer at MB, vas
1.

Oti 22 June I.

also present.. .

'

2, Before going to CATID.E I briefed Johnson for about fifty minutes in

office.The min points covered were Mitt - erganiiation and responsibilities
in the Military intelligence field,
___7then briefed Johnsen for about five
spoke for another five minutes :.
minutes On theitAUDE Staybehind Program. L.
on the t,CATIDP. military Intelligence product. Johnson vat tent interested in.
everything ve told him and asked a. number of pertinent qmstions..
. ,
. .
_....
ead:quarters we Vera :greeted by:I?:r.]. &ley) . and
3. Upon arriving at(CAT
(escorted into UTILITI's office. UTILXM vas in excellent- spirits . d..--br-4,efed
JObag iOg for about forty-five sdnztes
;r:ATIDE t s position in the- 31124:4 '
vent,
overuthat
end internal organization. In passing hen ang ed
.cATZDE,his warted up
table of orgiviiiition for briefing Bixidesteg Medbers .
idio-do not have the proper c.learances r netidt,o ;-know. 'WM=
also cotited:spothe many
maintains for poviiTingtheir -Citritt,i ;ptit9.1.,Creoirtel and. -the difficulties these Arms involve them in vita the German
Still another point- he er.ntioned vat; the fact that , he
tai -.
. 0..0-e44 anthoritie
Plituniiig: setae changes in the .organization of staii7T3 & T components . These
changes. viii facilitate closer cooperation between the 8 & T Collection and Evalue.titin'tkiits.

.
k, The convensation then .moved.tc , -di.Z.Z.LTAK end TAT= toade the cements
forwarded . EGMA4
S768 Th.
Than
UTELITY
. act...vitT
i
in the ..CE.
tr.kitig a seMR pedrit pf saying that the Pretient diVisicia of CE responeibility.
between ..61.4.5.t.tur: mid :C e.,;1.4is wovIcing out veil end to the full satisfaction of both
parties. Ne stated thatni (.6AY);i:It . caeca whicb.'have an effeneive CE. potential
tom-times.;
over .direction 'or the case . but .lets the ' . (7.1itt.TA r offieer obatinue
bantrii ,
treMt inn= also istreased that t..1.17.DR must grant . cleatence for ...I-is
deception or build-up ! arterial passed in CE'ca..sen handled br:C.MrAsTA and the.
.

rzy

'

exizr:cffjcials

B .

is

P.C.11=E:

Staybeht.rd Program end the

5, General Jobascxi then asked about the
extent to.Vhich these Btaybehind aasets nould be plugged into NATO. nimmainications
channels'. 17fILIIT 'buzzed. hIo, whn eppearedithmedistely and provide d_ ansWers to
j ohnsen t s Questions. In esseri fle Nolm 'miff. that in ease of var .'. CA.TXT33 :Liaison
groups vould be attached to CERT;u3 and raiR9tA17, and. thi.it the troupe would. save
direct rnrlio commueication with CATibE i n tactics). Staybehind a gonts, ;.64T7CU..E's
0ECRET
DECI:ttf
CENt VC'

E Q.A11,1 li.EL EASED elf

t LI TT E t

N C A :74 N C

UOUR .r.:Er; METH(1,0SEXEMP1

NU

,i,n6

I WAR CR IMES in .
SCLOSU RE AC1

DM 2005

.7"

2
strategic Staybehind assets, as well as their E & E retvorks, would coca up on the
air later and communicate with CATITIE 17eadop.maler.s. Johnson seemed vary impressed
with the :CATIME Staybehind r?rogrzun and said he planned to study in greeter detail
the Anay s a plans for exploiting it.

6. Johnson, Major Clark and I than left UTILITT's office . and want to the
(7.4TIDIE floafereaes Room. There . a ,briefing was presented by -6Orsu and ilKYnast of
the Military Evaluation.
41a6aar.7.ms present for part of this briefing but only
in the role of listener.
7. The first pert of the briefing was spent on the organization of the
Military EValuatioa. The only nev topic include& was the Indications Center '.:aieh
is to be attached to the Chief of Military Evaluation. Then the discussion moved:
to the fUnctions and responsibilities of the MilitaryEveluation. Speeial eMPhasis
was laid on the fact that the German nilitary services do not have any collection
responsibilities. except for a limited one in the ele0.cuuics field, and thect:lakTiini
is amorist solely responsible for both collection and evaluation.
8. Grau nd Kyt then got into substantive topics and a lively exchange of
views took place between than and Johnson. The specific pointecavered mare the
following:
a. Combat strength of the OSFo. tATIDE .,Jelievea the GSFG is at 106
percent cembet strength end completelypmeparei for field. eperations. Johnson's
analYsta:belleve the MFG is at only 8, percent strength and would need reinforcemeets:froMthe Soviet Union before undertaking combet operations. Both sidesagreed.
that qualitatively the'OSFG is superior to any other body of Soviet troops.

b.
FROG rocketerassigned to the W.A. BothtATTDE and USABEUR have some
evidence of this but nothing conclusive.
C. Organization of the Czech Army. 1.E.ATIpE believes thet a fourth field
army, probably a. tank army, is being formed. They believe the fourteen divisions
in the Czech Army are about one-third ceder stremeltbut could be brought to full
strength in a. Very short : time. They consider the Czech mobilization system an
excellent one.
4. .ClIn/Iges in'the training cycle of the WO. The first period of the
OM training cycle . - winter exercises - took place several weeks earlier in 1964
than during. pacylous years. However, the second training period began later than
usual end the third period has not even begun. Neither CATTDE nor Johnson had
wry. explanation of these changes.
e. .Headquartera of the . 18th Guards Army. Johnson and USAREUR suspect
this Headquarters is to bo.disbanded and the three subordinate divisions attached.
to other Soviet Armies. :PATI YE .bas no evidence that changes axe in the offing.
' TheiTeadveriers of the 18thOuards Army is located in the middle of -a restricted
area in East Germany and this makes collection operations very difficult.
f.

Hungary. No evidence that Soviet troops are being withdrawn.

;
LC101.1A
- 3 -

g. Rumania. 'There was no evidence of untsual movements of Soviet fOrces

on the Rumania borders during the recent Saviet/Rv nisi.o wn tension.'
h. EVA. Combat strength is up sharply and the NVA is now the best
eqviiped of the Satellite armies. A large number of Multiple rocket batteries were
reeentayobtained from the Soviet Union. tiVA units are becoming steadily more'

reliable politically.

. .
;

'A, Poland.. All units of the Polish Army are at full strength and more
men are available then equipment. The PoliahiArmy has the poorest equipmmrt of
theHatellites.
. 9.. Following , thiebricfing we repaired to the CATIDE'dining roan for a.glass
of sherry sad.' a very good lunch. UTILITY' uni an excellent host and event quite a
bit of time troiring:to johnion Labott his experiences during and afterthe war. Be
also .questioned JOhnsen-,inliont detail about jOhnson i s experiences in World. Nar

en(11Gorea; :13TIL1TT'afidjahnson-semmed.to hit it off well together and I believe

therhave*griatdeal:Of:reiPectfor,eachlfather. .johnson made quite a point of
' ilVe military product,
tell iise s. thrat herr much be 'needed and appreelitedtALL
Be also ifresied that ,VSAREUR!s operational:capabilities. were declining and . tbat
'futtre he would have to depend ont.A.,..DE even more.'
10. This CoMpleted the meeting and Johnson.. Clark andI departed: unurr
theother'CATIDEiv came out to the courtyard to see us off. On' the Irby
bee4;to)kv-oefiee jOhnsonmaae a nUmber of . favordble comments about UTILITT and.
the briefing he had been given. He appears to be wall disposed. toward:CAT/DE
end

:!
I11;

TbiaWas my third encounter with JOhnson end I 'mnst suy he impresses me

asca i verydecent.and. CoopetAtive person. He had only kind things to gay:about
IIITUTand4eemato . Want to work closely with us'. Ile.commmated. a nuMber of times
on the S titionbrief;ing he yps given in Frankfurt and I beliave this made . a very
favorable impressionn hlM.

Typed: 16 July 1964

SECRET

PROCESSING

'

\,

Ve

*$'4.:04.111""

:'

TO

AC.COM .
PUSHED

AcnoN

PRSE'D

',.Ctiief,-EE
Chi.ei
.

'

Chi ,,
:14 !..,-

--
4A

ot Station, Germany

ts.,,,

Munich Liaison Base

:%0

. . Operational

NO,"

ABSTRACT

'`I MICROFILM

CATIDE

17.ii- itingCreci a.611 8

ONLY QuAtirico.
tAtN DESK

ACTION REQ:ARED - et.

Forwarded under separate cover for your disposition are:

a.

Memorandum from urnairr (signed in alias) to --

b. Memorandum from UTILITY (in true name) to

. ,
December
. ,
Letter from @Wagner (in true name) to i
November
..- t.."."

:I

C-

dated January 1951.

(in true name) dated

1951.

(in true name) dated

-1

c.

1963.

Letter from Megenhardt

November
d.

(in

true name) to

(in true name) dated

1963.

e.

Card from

eileming

_.1 in true name).

( in true name) to (7

L.__1
Attachment: I.X3C
As stated above
Distrition:

E...,-4
,...,.e

..C.

C.,...,

2._.

c.

24-4.*.e7

,Cr

i ,e 7e Y// - C--,

.,

-,-

"

.Chief, !E1/att. MC
- Co5VG vio att.

/3 -

t_
..

'

CROSS REFERENCE TO

....
,.,

DATE TYPED

DATE DISPATCHED

June

64
26/
_
DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

I
St't
fS t*

_]

c_

.C.,

, .
, .
/

ECLASSIFIED AND RCLEASE0

BY
ENTR IL INTELL IGENCE
AGENCY
,OURCE SMETH013EXEMPT ION 38
AZ I WAR CR IMES DI $ CLOSURE
,..,(
ATE 2005

4 _

,..,

EGMA-64764
,

EACCUARTERS FILE NUMBER

i
r -

*HON.IV: "
' l - - .', ''''

I EF OF STATION,

GERMANY
ORLY QUAUBED DESK
CM

NocE INOCONA

SUELSECt .'

:'KUBASS BRIEFING FOR ALIAS XUEHNE

ACT1ON.REQUMM!REYWDMM

EGOT 2322Z, 28 MAY 64

. UPON RECE I PT copy REF WAS PROVIDED 'CH I EF ,Kl!BASS WITH REQUEST

tO:BRI:EF. ALIAS : KUEHNE AS SUGGESTED OR DESIGNATE MEMBER H I S STAFF

TOAM SO .: AFTER CONTINUOUS PRODDING WE HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED
::j
. HWCHJEF, AUBASS FEELS THAT SUCH BRIEFING SHOULD : BE GIVEN BY HIM
PERSONALLY. 6U1 THAT. UNFORTUNATE LY . -H I S . .CURRENT COMMITMENTS DO NOT
- ALLOWDOING THIS PRIOR TO ALIAS :KUEHNE 'DEPARTURE . POSSIBILITY
EXISTS THAT CHIEF, KUBASS . MAY ViSiT WESTERN EUROPE DURING FALL 64
. -AND BRIEF I NG UT I L I TY PER REF WOULD . BE INCLUDED IN HIS SCHEDULE.
.ALTERNATIVELY., SICE APPARENTLY UTI L I PrTLANS VISIT HQS TOWARD
'EW-:THIS YEAR,. WE WOULD I NCLUDE SUCH BR I EFUNG DURING HIS VISIT.
s.

OECL ASSIF

ED

AND

RELEA SEa .

IHTELLIGENCE
SOil.;CESMET
HOOSEXEK P1
11'411 WIR.CR
,.6,1f -ZOOS

8y

ENC1
32E

IMES DI SCLOSURE A.C1

I STR I BUTTON
-BY TAPE
. COS , GERXAN'i
C, MI B

ay.;

1'

Flh

''51 ;.i . REFERENCE TO

EHBRATCHrmOOLAMARMBER

EGOS-14578

S E aVsleT" T

0?4'

J14/..C!'/T/

DATE

6 JULY 194
HOS ME NUMBER

'

COETAC7 Mar2

17112.tryi:0.21161n, tara.rt-wit,
UTILIVX!ivotriee - 163o-1915

and

,a

hours .

1.964

1, The.Aeating_vaa arranged at E
1 1 . .Z.0c/wet. We were a little late
.
.;;IsLrtvizz were stating and
ail plaiiie .11:*-0.021#4, ,41:10:4
beetUot L

'

'

2'. E._ J ienektha'neetitg by brie-finit'17211=f on. the Voneole se itti on

11.171 vat relaxed about the natter
1-1711
trattia
L 1 g rep,7 I heve vent a telenOte to c
.*:that..!I.;]rninitItiiin ;325.:tter:.WIfiteters .g inee I also got eons infor.461interatein* the liefa . -627.

i the

q.matter. I bait itrepazed* a

qua'
'PTILITf the Aida Meatoire
did--not-ratt
. : /4esaiiitildi*efO
rAhe.11COCird:.
On.,thia
lc
3

. 4,
*
...!.:',:14:..:: thett46ChSr: far the . moat inportant - topics 'nag the a)I'IS Mi er )133717CZACe
=rriportedlt,
**On;iheitifeen the =MT .and.:Bast.Cleinsany. UTILITY 'a etontents'
...
.lekira=6175';:. I vili . itiay sin: tontaet vith gi01.1 and .try to obtain
4..
"
ti
* Onritiin ? eeitthia .
''''4T:.'7.s
,..!:...:'1,,i ,,.-,.. .... ...: .
. '
.
Dleed. theeetDg
niting and :ve:. left ,nith the natal cordial- bandehake .
' 'ri: -I'lli!Othieisy for. the briefing end . .enterte.inteat..int
.
,... .. . lied. hean
.-:Fl.il..;t:*"*.*.

'

ftttlA gg IFIrD AND RELEASED RT

MORAL INTELL IGENCE

0NRCESPIETHODSEREKR1 ION 3 02
WtZ I WAR CRIMES DISCLOSURE.

At

2005

Cf:

,.; E T
P

.<://p50
. /1/

r.

m.Z..;

4.

.r.::.szi;.:14!

'

mINARD GIMIELEN

8111 DINO Nat

82ANNISZR0. DWI

August 3, 1.964

Dear.
I feel extremely guilty and apologize not to
;

1 yet.
.
have answered your kind letter of ..June
I had to deal with some difficult problems during the

..."
.... -;

past months which kept :me-awfully busy.

Since the political problems touched in Mr. Meanyld,
,
. .
extremely intestin,41- : . 'ave-still some actua t

ri

I should not postpone my answer any longer.

. .
.

.
To put it very . bluntly: I consider Mr. Meany's-'
editorial as a most lucid analysis and at the same time ,
4
as a most convincing and constructive contribution among

.-

.:"'- -.=y-

. . ,;
.

1:

t:-

so many speculations . affected at least-in part by wish

ful thinking. ConfrOtiting with reality the theses of
,
which a new "realism" was to be 'de-. ' '
Mr; Fulbright
. . - :... ::
Monstrated and the neessity of areater flexibility_waa
.
-.1
. .
.
.
.
.
.
, the senatorlt
-to be Set forth, your'criticism o

with

exndses

:statements as mere assumptions . without iroper . foundation. r..:-.1

.. .
,.
.
infact,. and then-in the last analysis . unmasks,them for

.what . they are:, marks of a rather dangerous approach to

.
::44nateh . Khrnshchevi s "ebexisteneerstrategy.
.

. '

There is certainly:
need to go : deeply Into the . .
. . no
. .
matter as far as your oditorfalia.cancerned-sinca
. ,
. only state my run agreement to its detailed'outlinings.
and assessments. Of course, the:course-of action Moscow
takesbeforethe background of.the'diffiCult'intrabloc
. .
deVelopments f
not in all:TespectOlear . cut. SO.we'here
ie

fnGermany too understand that .there-ivto . be given some

consideration to the problem, whetherAChrushohev!odUld!:
possibly be drawn into some disadvantagesby:the;prooest
:

L.11

; ?

t :41.

.40.1

.114.4

C.R

ANO RELEASEOlY
T.E LLIG

CE
T rt itli./ S X1E /.
4 P 1 I Vi 3 112
0.1 $

0 S11 RE AC1

.."

2 .-

.of careful negotiations. But the very precondition .

to that would_be_to my mind and experience the absence
. .
of any illusions which are Just to meet Moscow's aims.
Mr. Meany's statements are guarding this in an utterly
: needed distinction in opposition

ta

an "appeasement-haPpy...

realism";

-Not only from a German point of view but also

in

the best interest of the West as a whole I want to:assure

you of my great appreciation and comfort this editorial.

gives tome by countering Mr. Fulbrights's speech and

i laying bare once mbre that solid ground on which the unit'
and the strength of the

this

West

A
I

are to-be based. It is In

respect that we feel a profound solidarity with

:America: we are convinced with our American friends . .

that we are motivated not "perversely by an inclination,'
for

cold war" but correctly by an awareness of MoscOw)0

.hostile

intentions even if covered by false.persuision,

and of our respOntibilitles

.against'Moscow l s

still

and duties to

protect mankind

alive expansionism. Nobody . should

be blinded for that C.C . .. by Ehrushohev'sdesire.to,

"stabilize" the statue quo in Central 2urope...Itis.ne
difficult to see that this'desire.aims in. fact a diti
ruption of the Federal Republic

from

its allies.

If there is feared sometimes.America might get :

:P

tired of standing up for its ideals, It is most oonsOling0

to see that . this American will

Is

.still'alive-and.not

ready to give way to 'a "realism" which confuses true detente,

on hubstantive.groundyith Khrushehe y offering "coexistenoe"i
Again, I feel glad that Mr.-Meany's editorial sees

.
_
.c. learlrthrough the surface appearances and speaks up so:
.
,
,firmly..
.
; Hoping very strongly there will be a soon opportunity
.

to exchange views more thoroughly on those matters at stake

.I send . my .

- 51.

11

1,

111

bee

gardst
e

I,

Sincerely yours, .

A. e
Y
iugA

.`1'....k"i+174

27 AUG

OUYINE

614

IN 675A M

:2721112

1-RtiVINV.INFO .BONN CITE (DIR 45367

-2.,REFNOT.,.?:INTENDED TO EXCLUDE UTILITY PRESENCE

UHOIGIN3WILF,ING :y.PR vAr DPR IATE BRIEF SOCIAL CONTACT. R EQUES

01411DIDAno

Fi LEASE RELAY :SUBSTANCE - REF TO

tt:71,14Z:44:44. 7...7.1,f 7, , !:

:',.
427: 0,7327 . .
-

,;=-.

11.1Y":11,..At-4,-

X .r

...E'ER:TR:AL

I ED AIJO REL

EASED BY .

NTELLI6thiCE AGENC1

SOOR.CES:HE
THOOSEXE MPT
ION 362E
..RAZ I WAR CR
IMESDISCLOSUR
ih
nt. 2005

%1
9

YOUR

ROUTINE:

S.

28 AUG 64

E C :R

IN-6779 G

T 28141:32

DIR 11 .1],f0 INFO BONN CITE

:ACTING)

!UPI6133,

. :

RYBAtREF
B P1.IR
1. L i SHOULD OFFER TO SEE UTILITY, AND .EMBASSY IN SETTING .1/1":

4,

. 57:V.1

SCHkO ED M I ETC, AND EMBASSY SHOULD BE

.ERNAFID

t:47Nq

ADVISED T0 SUGGT
THAT..
...UTILITY BE INCLUDED.

1 VISIT TO CONTINENTAL'

..IEFS! ...CONCERN - PROPOSED:

SEPT 20 AND OCT 1 TO BRIEF HEADS

..
. ;.
AND EQUIVALENT SOVIET
415V7amit'i
INTEL
COLLECTIOWSYSTEMS
, .
DE CLASSIFIED AND
RELEASED
EENIR \L I P T71.! IGENCE

V,

AsErcl

4i:042

SOVCES MET 1 1 1 EXEMP I ION 3D2E

NAZ I WR
CR IMES DISCLOSURE AC)
DAIE 2005

q.;
1..,;:::;%1,c.
.
.

; 4 ,
.

"

.-

GROUP

1236

//msoN

1(1/ 77/

EXCLUDED FROM AUTOHAT IC NV/NI: RAD AG AND DECLASSIFICATION

.
.
.
.
.
: C/50 :: SEC : . F 1W:1:PG ::Rt".G:
: C/1408Y CP:WS , OCA RLS INT GO SQ EG
(7

:
DC/ LB LiOPS

ICE E.i PLANS t /F r/ C011'.4:; L/ INT L/

,
.

:0F1.1G.:1

SECRET

LUNIT:J.
Ea:

31 August 1964
_
.4====

D IR , CMNY

ROUTING -

OLASSI Fl ED MESSAGE

..

Ptemt

MUNI '

INFO

=
BONN:

(:).:-(r..4

*":

Itaum.k.

0604

DaERRLD

II

' INtOt

CITE

INFO

DIR

norms

dtlitATIONAL
INI4EDIATe

Minna

0604
'

Aiwa

REFS.' A. DIR 34064 PARA 2 /NOT SENT BONWIM

B.

060 3

4. REP A MENTIONED, r-

-1:1HIS.CONSULTATION AFTER LAB012..DAY

HERE, WHAT ARE MS AND COS ,VIEWS

FORIWO:OR . IHREE WEEKS. FOR ANNING
PL
1
.1

AND SUGGESTED SCHEDULE? FOLLOWING ASPECTS MIGHT BE INCLUDED IN

..

.2. IN SOME ROLE--OR AT LEAST AS ONE OF THOSE .PRESENT--PEEL , I

7. SHOULD-.:SE;;IN . -:BONN-IMEN UTILITY : . COMES . UP TO PARTICIPATE IN7NHATEVER

WAY .

DOES

.BRIEFINGS. ASSUME ALSO THAT I WOULD hAVE

SOMS:kot&iii UTILITY TRIP TO .: 11Q S

. . 'LATER IN YEAR. IN PRESENTSTkiE-00M1
.

....NEAESS ." AT:'11A.

.
SE, `.. 0EAR ., I CANNOT .:14,AkE . MUCH . CONTRIBUTION', BUT PREStNCE
.ISOULD PRI-q4RILY BE TO ENFO R
' CE IDEA I AI) THE MAN WHEN IT
..KUBARK-UTILITY AFOAIftS.

comcs:..it:,::

BESI AV Its
Imli
OP MESSAGE

COP

Cocru,".!um n . C:rneal

26,3

_1
ftELEAt,iTi OFFICER

SECRET

REPRODUCTION BY OThIrElt Erkwt t ITH EE Rti qPR INFEN

AUTAI:::11CATIM OFFICER

PDfigrlit3na
MURAL I NTELL 16ENCLADENCI
Sr;IJICES METHODS EXEMPT
39ZE
NAZ I WAR CR IMES DI SCLOSURE AC1

DATE 1005

Copy No.

MG:

UNtr.:
107

MESSAGE

cussina)

C:
.....--

E C El

31 August 1964

DATE

DIR (MY.

INFO

CCO3

ECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED

CENTRAL IN TELLIGENCE AG
SOURC E SNE
THODSEXEMPI ION 3.112E
NAZI WAR
DAIE

DIR

CRINEG

2005

MC1.0911RE

AC

cr

INFO

OtOP

139NN:

mai

0 G 0 3 )

6733
EGRA: : 63742, PARA 9

REPS.: . A.

a.

c.

C SO

4'ISIT,
INTER.
C... .2
1, DURING PREPARATIONS FOR JANUARY, 1964,
BASE : -TELENOTE US130 PHRASE "LIAISON DISASTER" IF UTILITY EXCLUDED FROM

PARTICIPATION IN .
:j: VISIT, SAME APPLIES TODAY. ALSO 11QS WILL

.
RECALL THAT IN REF B MENTION 'MS mADE OF ''L 2 !S HOPE TO HAVE MORE
TIt'.1E;i:. .-ikt, LATER PERIOD TO TALK WITH UTILITY, WHO

M AY

VERY WELL :RECALL

THESE SENTIMENTS, WHETHER OR NOT THERE . ACTUALLY IS MORE -TIME DURING

,
.
NOT IMPORTANT, BUT WHETHER UTILITY INCLUDED . IN
,kHEUULO1S
;:: .RECOMMEND : THAT IN EMBASSY HANDLING OF MATTER EMBASSY . BE URGED..
TO .THOSE . CERMANS CONTROLLING LIST .. OF GERMAN ..PARTICI
, m'NATURALLY WILL EXPECT UIS PROFESSIONAL COLLEAGUE TO
, .
,.. .
..,. :.
13E ' . IiICIrUDED,' :.' .:** RECOI'MEND ALSO THAT KUBAN; SHOULD BE IN POSITION /1I..

FORMALLY TO NOTIFY UTILITY THAT c

-... NATURALLY

Fay6TX

(17F10Eu

VISIT IN OFFING MD THAT

ANTICIPATES UTILITY WILL BE AMONG THOSE PARTICIPAT/NG.

. o ld wihi 3.62,3
,4://fis

SECRE -T

rfi OTHER TI . 10%! THE

OFFICE

EST AV ILPILE C

CLASEIFIFC)MSSAGL,

ROUTING
1 4

S ECRET
IMP

L
a

DERRED

rE10:11TY
Pi:RA.1103M
*MEDIATE

INFO

.2 : AND C..-

MCMW

Cite

p6 :4OVFO. R TIllS fIGIIT BE AT r

DINNERJOW:: C.1,

IN411/4.2

i4:$ 6 SEPT AVE ATM . VALE

AT MUCH UTILITY MAY BE PRESENT:

QUESTION OF MY PRESENCE AT't i AFFAIR INCLUDED IN FOIL-OWING

:DEALING CUTE' HQS CONSULTATION ETC.

END OF PESSAGE

(YrTic:?,

SECRI3

T
OF1:1;'

N.z

CG Atth

Ab(0.1D.ED.'
ti1T..: CO

'-'iMbAlOi:E.::0,1:0/ICOfriMO:::.L./
NO NELEASF.0 BY
C IATRAL IN1E .1.1.18ENCE k5ENC1
14ETNOOSEXEMP11 N 3E
NAN RAR CRINESOISCLOSUNE AC1
P.TE ZaO5

.; 3

IOU

:16 SEP 64

,. , .

:-...C-ItAS:!:T
609302:'
.

7218 M

IN

.I.OR:I*MiJNI INF-0 .1,P.13:10RITli

.._
.
'DIR :ROUTINE BONN CITE 6I -NY
4 ,..I NVT:t EIVAITItiTi'..'ATtiNI)
, . .
L
'..}*i.F.FitiG ON 28- SEPTEMBER.
.
.,,...-,_.. r.,:__
SA I
'
AT s
E;;;ETC tET . TO : BE .. VIORKED: 'OUT.
:.. ,....

.C'
"
. . . .... . : .
. .., . . . ...
.
_ ... .

.. .

61320. .

littii

'

- : . ':.. .;.
0 E CI. 494 41 t 0 Al 0 RCLQ.li,Y- .
......i:::::-'. -2. ..".
CEMAL INTRLI
6EN Cj i.',
50 UR C .E g ME i ll.
5 61 C V.....:.*--,::::; .
:::"......
0-11f0(E 0.1:4- 0 N:a #1
NAZI --

- ; i

.Y.41 C! (1 04.

E i:IE i005

94-1 9 041U er",4-tr''.*:.

.

'.

."-

%::: .

.-....:... ::::,

.,
'

4.1%.

/LEZ

..n..4;

.(i.UP.q0:":f.1?;:011 A1I.t;t11.447:1.0 b.OWNGR..46.1..NG;

;'...;:..

O C, A
;( 1.

7.

0e71 cj

!,.%';;;;

GO
SO ... E
. .
. . .
/ PLANC
,

/ /So

..,....
:. AND DECLASS .' F:16
e: .* -

f.f',/...1.

...
I I CF. '

Of

.13EA:
.

.C.r..-47:4"iy.

H I: LOG
IF
--.

NT -1;POL

\.

(,,I.../..,S!3,;I:Ii:.
I) ti1 r.-:
, cs -, c,-; r--)
..
/....,.-)Pt
.

OrZiG

'

1111"::

'

.S:8 . ::: Septetuber

164
.
.

c:".7 -:* .ca rt

INFO
::::::
.
FROM. : . ; Iun
06

Ii.C:irj:;13

__id

_....

IC
1
v:..1......._________W________,.. . !

S EC R1T

..5.4

;I ---:.

:(;::

. ..

,
.,

mom?

MCMUE.'

DII

.011:

REF.::;-::DIR:

I.

476E 1

SAYING ilE REGRETTED ThEIR SU/MULES CLASHED LAST...1'1'19E, UTILITY

ID iME.: ,. DELICUTED SEE ChIEK4UASS AFTERROON OF 25 SE!".

WOR1J:'- t

tY17-.: .F.ticy ; ilOUR LATER.

,

END OF MESSAGE
...- .. - ..s:

ea:*;

4-4.:--t-,,,,
..
.
',.11,,44A-,-.- - .
..:.
&r;,:Chier .:KULtASS av
ailable-afternOon
---.

.t.1.
V 1* r15--4.;:`
.....-

CPta f:'PiT,74X.16,:.1
.

.. -

. .

. .
of 25 Sept. Convenient for UTILITg

..

;. . % .- . ...

-..

24*

'.

'
-

'47Aft
W.X514.

ai.?
.

-;;;;;'

'-'0ECEASSIFIED AND
R CLEASEO 1/Y
1R4L IFITtLLISENCE ArlEtICI
trARCE5kfE1llOOMEKP1ION3821
CRIM ESDISCLOSURE AC1
01E . 2005

.!'tIw,u

0.

cf:c

Cr.'r.i

r/

4.5 "

/ s on/ W/

. ,_....
.
. ..71:ri CFF:::77: :* i ..':
.

.2 6.

.::

S Li C 11 E T
.....

1.7; ! :i-P, -.)17,UOTION ...!' ;:*);-;,.

a::T:r.
.
..._____._....._...........
i.
s ..',... THE ISSUING . OFFICE IS r'ii0I-;![..;!'

..

ri7

: nC..
'TIT.R .
.
%

I
I

nmnumam..

'flX;

! C/ILii;:
: : : :
Arlfz..17,7,f.: 4%1'

i:
...

i -.): r: h
?.

f ,-,

11

77

il!

4
1:

.1
....
,...

':,'

PRIORITY
S. E C

fl

IN 6974 A

E T 0822232

, PRIORITY 0.**Yi

RIORITY L

KUNMO.
....

DiR

RYBAT
El:

njOiseora
. MESSAG E: BEINGSENT . SHORTIN.FROM SECSTATE TO YOUR AMBASSADORS

. O.G.P(04IN EJ4IYI N T:4000ING'PROPOSED:-SCHEDULiFORI:

.. ,..*
10.

.
'
1.

616

TRIP:

EMBER. BRIEFINGFOR-PRIME MINISTER,:

MidiT'ALSO IN011ike,MOUNtliATTEN:,STROI4 1 .

J?

fiLIE
GROUP-

2005.

.. .

, ..

...4*.so.A.I..,:i4i/..r

:.
FROM AUTOMATIC DOWNGKAOING AND OECLASSiFICATiON :.

C/Oi''-OCA 'RLS' INT''M SO EG - NT C1SB - SEt FiN - L06 -kEG

L/OPS LICE L/PLANS LIRE L/COMMO L/fFIT L/PCL

It

AND RELEASE BY

f;ENTRAL !VW. IE ENCE ASEU)

50 0,t1SHETHOMXENPI 104 302E

CONTACT REPORT

1141 WAR CR IMES DI

with UTILITY

SCLOSURE

0Aft 2005

UTILITY . uffice in Compound, 1400-1445 hours

8 September 1964

1, This was our first meeting alone and the second time we
have seen each other. UTILITY appeared to be in very good fettle.
My introductory remarks about the long association of our services
'led me back to newspaper articles I had 'seen recently. They referred
to the outbreak of World War II 25 years ago. . I told UTILITY on that
day in September I was in Hotel Haus Oberschlesien in Gleiwitz watching
the hotel' become T. corps headquarters. This touched him off and we
got into a 15-minute discussion of his background in Upper Silesia,
his military service and where . he Was the day the march took place
into Poland, etc., etc. I had-a.hard time shutting him up.
2. Then I said there were only two things I wanted to take up
with him on the occasion of this more or less ceremonial Visit. One
of these was toarrange for a meeting between him andGhief;IKUOASS.
This we quickly .did.
3. The other thing was his view of outstanding problems which
might come 'up during the course of my administration here.
4. He took this pretty much to mean world . problems rather than
did not re-define my concern. He then went
inter-service problems,
(and I
on to say..that basically there were no problems between
think', here he ...,eant .inter-service). He 5aid we were all in the same
bOat.aTia fhis, he added, meant all.of . the western . powers. Referring
for a moment back to out service connections, he said they had been
so
and close that we could easily disagree with one another without
feelings being hurt.
us

long

5. To this I agreed, saying that the main thing was to get

the table between

OU

on-

us.

6.. He . then went on into a dfsertation about the world dangers:

being the dangers from expanding Communist power. He added his country,
being a. small country, had to concentrate on the main danger spots. He
added, however,'wherever there'were Germar.:jrterests (and I think he
said "also in the :western hemispheie"), , C ;iTIDE would report as well as
they could on the dangers (-If expanding Communism. He gave as an example
our mutual interest in th.e . Congo. I also understood him to. say they
worked closely with the British in this matter as well as with us. He
:showed me a.product of the r,ATIDEowned (through a cut-out) printing
works in the-COnso. It Was a - smashihg first-class five-color job.
/

7. He then proceeded to give me a little briefing on how 'C/iTIDE

worked, getting for this purpose a black briefing book with diagrams
in it
ke gf h'
cATIDC out of politics and how
s Aie4k0PA

wird 36,3

MI

I 11

II

L _1

ts,Jt ; L
- 2 he had to, as it were,. play a little politics to do this. 'Be spoke
of being in touch with government party chiefs and the leaders of the
opposition as well. At this point, and at several other points, he .
made reference . (in English) to "security "clearances". .I got. the impression he felt that I would be particularly concerned with this as-.
.pect Of his relationships with the political people, with the Foreign
.
Office people, and the military people. At one point he said that
one of the difficulties was theTI!?..RIMErt.!. understanding of the
difficult split-nation 'situation.
8. I had expected to elicit from him the.name of his people I
should see in Washington, hoping that the name General.Wesselwould.pop up. I forgot to do this.but UTILITY mentionedWessel's name.. He
.
said he was . one'of the men who had had the Ministry of Defense
spat. He said this job always went to a . man who had served in:OTI[k.
I think I maybe able to Use this reference by UTILITY to Wessel to
see if I cannot see him in Washington.

P.S. During the course of the explanation of CATIDE's relations to

the Foreign Pinistry, UTILITY said that he had often been called
upon' by Adenauer to render an opinion. UTILITY said in such an
instdnce, he might have slightly variant views of those held by
the Foreign Minister. Usually the divergencies between the two
men would be small. UTILITY then went on to say that of course
nowadays (under: the present Chancellor), he was not asked very
often for his views. "Things are not so busy for me in this
respect these days, " he said, "but in place of those worries,
I naturally have other worries". In short, he isn't called upon
so often these days to perform for the Chancellor.

Typed: 9 September 1964

S'-"CRET

FT

Theft973NcT

PROCESSING ACTION

MARRED FOR IKOCCIKC

Chief, EE:

KO ItIOiXING REQUIRED
ONLY QUALIFIED OUR

*Chief of Station : , Germany

CM JUDGE INDEXIN0

Chief, Munich Liaison Base

MMMW

SUBJEF CATIDE/rjperatios

Program During Headquarters-Consultation

ACTION RECK.:Wa.2. TAFEATAZ

Headquarters consideration of problem and discussion on C

arrival

J 's

Ref.: EGMA-652.05

.1. One of the tasks I foresee in connection with my term

. of. administration at. this Base has to do with the successor to
. .UTILITY:q,.Thereore, we should consider all means of unobirtrusively
C
-.Il has
0.#.iiii . ;:ial,intO.contact with his possible
.dispatch.
the
referenced
-.-..app.;71.1*.n0... .:;',fii.igered...One of them in
- The same man was .mentioned to. me . by UTILITY during my

J.nitial meting with UTILITY.- . I .thinkC .,:j.therefore,.:that during my

qarters-consu1t&tion we Shoiticti . bOnsiderl ,:sOike:i.Means . .of having

t.4.1

.cotirce ,; there is the .-regular

--A a
should meet.; -Ond'.I:-:-Unaerstand-::theres
not necessarily tipped as UTILITY s successor,
s'organization,, whoin- . 1 might profitably

itfgntl-eiiii Of

offJhoziI believe
mget

3 I_hope that Headquarters officers can be thinking of some

asofiable viay to get Me in touch with these officer_s_during my

1r,consultatIon*.

DECIA551F1E0 AND:RCLEASCO BY
.Ct:IITRAL INTELLI6ENCE:AGENC1

nCESME1HODSEXE14P1101i302E
fj:14114AR CRIMESCISCLO5URE ACT
2005

'

CROSS REFERENCE TO
.
.

. .

DATE

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND HUMBER

15 September 1964

EMIT -11230
cussinciTori

i
:.

'1

HOS FILE NUMBER

9/15

MUNI SEP 64

L1/ii:.1.177

ECRET151549Z

MUNI

INFO: BONN

FROM: rJMNY

RYBAT..

1. TELENOTE

tioz

"

DIR4921:9; DESCRIBES. EXTREME SENSITIVITY OF BRIEFING

.
,
BE GIVEN. :
SAYS THAT BRIEFING WILL BE RESTRICTED TO A VERY

z
41 *E:(5P.LEI:::;kiidiiLL BE
INVITED BY NAME ONLY.
:

NOW SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY MORNING 28 SEPT.

1;11-HOU13:::;:,I .Si . GET
AND FINAL ARRANGEMENTS MADE . WE WILL SEE WHETHER
07

Ia... .HOLD

SEPARATE t -J ./ UTILITY MEETING.

MASSIF! EBANO
RCL
ENTR L
EAEB BY
IUTELLIGEFICEr5.5'ENCI
SO4:7L.ESNET;100.3EXEI4P1 I ON 3B2E

fit:11E
-::".!:

efi IMEq11/ SCLOSU.BE AC1

2005

. '

1.gtg,;:

4//116:0,1)

7-/1

363

/M

54
,::16 : Septembei 1964

S. E.

R E TACOMA

i Trt:11' 61-

GKNY C

'..6/M14.13

TELEPTOTE

ROUTINE

, .
t

3 '

,...
' .. .
...

'

g.

; .SCHEDtTLED:il?AMTH

.
..
St...:.ZETH; . . . '

Ts -.,-; IThatizttnis'd-. ARE* Pi:AGUEriI41711i102,ThilEtp:or."KV:A.TLABILY

....,,,,z....,-:,.;:,.;.:::::--.i..i.t.,-!'.,;..4:ff.k...r4:-.7.,";:f.;::-.
- ..,.-..'..
. '...:;,...:'.;.'..:1,-7",., .Ir-__,..
4
,;::;,....-i1::z:'1'.....,':
7:. ;' '...`:.,i77.:. !' .:
rt,
: Ytii:iKEET:.-.:efilE1-... :-0.F.,:.)LIAIS614.E.V.ICEi:i4.:. 4: : - ...
'''-'...:...;::::'.;;t4.:,-..;:.F`.,c"..'-,rtv .:...':'''''.*:: '-.:.C...-.
...:,.":::;;;,:;.1--.0.`..1.4.4,-:.;;I:i,.....,.... ,... - - -.-i: .1....... .. .,,
.
. .j
irtgfitg: - g Eig,AttAT.Ht .,,../OtD.4A's AtrikEtt.ttst A ie0
::

i
,.
.i
i

.....,...,:.: .

.POSE:.;.5..Att'-.1ALONt',..' L

..
. -
. .
. .
: :. , ....: .
',.. -...- . : - .-..f.-y..,.i,,,:tlie,.4::,,:....
.... . . ._, .
1Yle-.;.WILI;;;NOT''
. . ..
....SQUAWkA'AitritiOltE:4`ABOUT,MATTER.
KNOWING
.

J,

.... .

: 7.s,,.
. ;.:..,1%.1.k 4'..4...,
0E4..1

4:.

-3,....,....T

E CAUSVO.F4-YOUR. PERSDITAI;;;e NTEREST?

IT,r,...
Nthr:(1:4;.-4.:it.i..e..,....:.%,..!'..,:s;:,..,.: ::.....i. '...: . :. . ' . s ..::,:.1%,.. ,...-,,z,..z.;.,:::...rs-c,... ... ;..IN
. . UTI
..........,.....
.. :THE
. ..., . .. . .` - ,; ,.-: '.:....:
; --....;,44.
EVITZ ...0 TVW.WILL'iBt .11k13E '.: TO .' GET?.;HIM .':
fOGET/LER
WITH
'
.
..J : tdtti ...
i:M:',114.___!:::!:.Y....-:<. riy:,; :.;.. :........ 't-: ;;;N.;.,:!" ;'. :
.:....:`!;;":.: ' .. :.:,:;;;J.:...;;.. . '.. -::: " . , E.

rr- -Ti'...B.E....1.91'.1. .tiYlk:0CIAL

.
. ,.. . RiTION .VAL-PRO.TO. d0.1SESSIO.N.

44W:C1..a...'.1s,0

"

. .

-.

.... .';'..2.:=:.i=. .:.

: ..-
L A' s ; t F' ; i o
. - : - ' :-.....
. .,;"ii
: ...
.ia .::-..1?;.1.-:'-'14
,r.:7
...-Ii...i.i: T R 1 L
1-1,;"}',.O.. .9:::;;:i
.:7;:-4.i'.7::47....1::!
I-1,, Ttii...i.rt
:.1... ii-lb C g Sr..!;

. ...
k C . 6 r. C ! .i:: :: . ), . s's ' :: ..
.:1..0
...: . .
1. . N,41.4. W
D'S'f)(E
to
1.!.
e
li
342:1::.
'..
4.4'..t.t.
::1.*.".:%: . :....:. ' .. .. .1:...r....
::.4,
14..r.;

% ".

- &ATE

))
. . i,g.flii S CI. V 3 U
ft E A C

249',5.5.. '':

:.1-. .. -

..
....

....:.,

.;

It.

u,..

.. " '.......
:...:,:. :

;.:,.:.;

:.::: : . 1

'..i!?. ;:'.-:::"....:?.:::::::f1.1'
1.'..4.. ::.;.:.t:
.1

..1

:i . '

' -.

A.
930,2_

//SC2/-11

36

7:
s

R T

CONTACT REPORT

\UTILITY, and E

CATIDE CoMpund - 114S-1215 hours

.17 September ' 1964

71-

DECLASSIFIED AND
RCL EASCa
PY
CENIPAL INTELLIGENC'i
MIRIESRET1100SEXE14P1?b4

?WI WAR MINED

DAIE 2005

3d2E
SCL OSURE Ad1

1. There were four pieces of business to transact with UTILITY

at this meeting.

..7 assessment of
.
2. My main job was to hand him the 2=
CATIDE's take in this field. This had recently.been cabled to us
suggested that I make the money by presenting the assess-mixd L
ment to him. Oddly enough, he didn't quite remember what it was he
had requested from us. The .minute he saw the text of it, however, he
recalled at once and expressed his gratitude. In a quick glance he
obviously saw that it was going to be useful to 'him.

3.
Then I broached to him the question of lists of prisoners
frGm the East Zoae. I had some difficulty in the phraseology of my
own aide memoir to him on this matter. I wanted to be as loose in

phraseology as I could in order to evoke from CATIDE the most encompassing list possible. UTILITY caught the looseness of *he phraseology immediately and said. "do you 'want the list of persons returned
or the ptrions whom we seek to have returned?" I then said that we
sought the,most complete list possible, a Bundesliste as it were, of
all persons whom the government hopes to have refTffed.
4. In the course of this discussion UTILITY filled me in on
some of the background of the prisoner situation. None of the points
he raised is not reflected in our Base files and cable traffic. However,.hels,: sadPhe-s was talking a bit out of school when he described
to me thg:':Uldodi.dinated way that the prisoner affair was being handled.
He iipliiiiied-that'because of the shortage of trained civil servants,
as iv:re-silt Of the war, civil government did not proceed as smoothly
as it Ought; He said that many political people "in their interpretation of.!Ahe. democratic processes" thought they could act individually in thii,IMportant but very emotional matter. UTILITY then spoke
for-a-few5minUtes
on the necessity of carrying on your politics with
,
your _head rather than your heart.
5. The above were the only two subjects on which I passed
papers to UTILITY.
6. I then asked him. An surigested in a cable from L7 :3, for
his presentation of the Schwirkmann case to the Chancellor. He had
copies made after removing his signature and the Top Secret classification (no longer necessary since the government's intention to keep
the matter qt:iet had gone Idrift). UTILITY then zave me the data which
appeared in EGO - 82 and the accompanying operational cable.
ovr/r
,_
,4 41,
r
is 0

r.:T

2 -

7. The last. matter which I brought up was in response to

Headquarters query about Mr. Meyer, a young man shot while attempting
to cross the .Berlin Wall. His respOnse was covered in MUNI-0768.
. Ir. The meetingwas to have lasted a short five minutes but
UTILITY, , seemed in .4v:talkative mood. Although most of our time was
spent dirsctly .cin, .butiness , we did di.scuss;. sisy . children, *their ages,
. .thViir.x5#1.166V.:_Atid.k..privious international .. school'experience, and my
: iiXtevieiffei dt/iiite1Xpaziencie to have them once more: for a period in
..,a144
- MgOilk .. -itmeriti,an:14chool..atmodpheraUTOTTY,agreed . with this
;*:

..iiciatitgOIOL::.1t6W;Ori;:rfgaid.'afiir;f:.fhiyliWbeen.:hart.Aometimi
.
they Were -:lirCitratiiiing :, V.Might 'investigate
tillii5F.Cliirmitif7itc.ii.00VITtiiiifiiin -; . I tOrd ,:.,fillit tlie 'ohildrizi :: had already.
:thiaa):fretiiiiids .?.. Withi. ..al , the.'..German children around them and I expressed
my'animcnt at k now loud conversations in,.two languages could go
..0.,;-iiithrailif,the:;.thildrein. :2app-arently .::tindireitiliiiding.: '.aVerg .:,WOrd...- Fie-,
:traid;;.t.hatifits.i.4sis`:4i:adattria'
then said
.
that
.gorid Gernari..
r
's ...predidessOr ,-spOke
.,
..
9; He did not volunteer -nor did I raiser:the Lr:

j visit.

Typed: 18 September 1964

8 .....

IIN-772g1

ft-ASIEPT-'6117.-

.1814 51Z

.1/101RITICMIJN/ /NFO FRAN GMNY CITE

CATID C

F. MUNI 76

?:

POUCH ED.:
,

.PECL A:S:1..F.r:,(11 A N

CEtURAL
1J R C:E. 'S . t&E F:

..1E

. .

R.EL

G.E.f1C
rt ODSf XE h it 1'1

25..r.

.A4

vitis4v

.1.:/.0PS

17CE, 1.

tPrr. s .N. c..,

. st- . - I /rInmfrio
,/f,

L INT

L/

Iff/-07

UNIT

DC/MLB

51
21 September 1964

Ekr :

DATE

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

TO :

GMNY C

Row

mUNI

ET
m a

INFO

TELENO.TE

R 0 UTINE
PRECEDENCE

RYBAT.:CATIDE':'
REUR 09/15 SEPT
1.

ALIAS EICHENDOkF, UTILITY'S ADJUTANT) CALLED. AND

SAID UTILITY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE-GENERAL IDEA AREAS
BRIEFING WILL COVER. UTILITY WISHES BRING HIMSELF UP TO DATE(
CATIDE PROGRESS THESE AREAS PRIOR BRIEFING.
2. PLS ADVISE REPLY IF ONE POSSIBLE.
DECLASS4FIED AHD
CEWTRAL INTELL IGEC::
.SOUT;CESNETHODSEXE3,72E

END OF MESSAGE

MAZIWARCRINESOISCLOSUgEilC1
BATE
2005

GROUP I
Excluded from automatic
downgradingan .
declassification.

CO ORDINATING
RELtASING OFFICER

OFFICERS

//t7(30 i:L/ Wipigky

ET
AUTHENTICATING OFFICER

IT IS FORBIDDEN TO MAKE A COPY OF THIS MESSAGE

Copy No.


egAlk

COPI

.
Fl

FROM

!SECRET

c o PY 1:7

Cl

.:

OW.*
11.0e

REPRODUCTION PRONICITTO'

rcasom/trusT mars r to
.7.

, HU
ACT 1

ADVANCE COPY

011 SVED

E.

CD VATTED C:3 ?MO

. i I

0Y.

SO! UNIT

Z I Sir. 6 q Ita
..
.

S. CRET 2112061

795

/..----.

: DIR

s.

FRAN

GMNY INFO

..!CATIDE ,
1.

TH

CITE 'MUNI . 0801

R OUGH HIS PERSONAL

AS INFORMED US

All

THAT Hi s PRIVATE 1957 MERCEDES, DRIVEN 200,000 KILOMETERS, IS

DOLLARS..

....

'DO _ HQS : OR Ciis THINK IT MIGHT BE USEFUL OPERATIONAL

,
9:GANBIT-:0 .::TAKE UP . . THIS OFFER, HOLD CAR . A LITTLE WHILE THEN

. .

. '

...;:.1D *ISPOSE OF OR TRANSFER ELSEWHERE?.

3. FULLY
:.

:AWARE OF

VEHICLE CUT-BACK DRIVE, AND WOULD NOT

ENTERTAIN EVEN AS OPERATIONAL IDEA AT

. . . .:PERSONALLY BEHIND . IT.

? .

:
'

. ; S E C 41 E .' T.

MOMENT WERE

NOT

UTILITY

'DECLASS IF
C,E:ITRA.I:

SECRET

1. .

`,..

r
Ii(

'

REfiAS. Cfl. 9?
T111,:tiErCEAeSENCY

I EOAK D
fl

ICESKETKO,04XE10-1.!P+ 42!

CRINE.S8ISCL4112Citti
295

..

11.

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE -- .corits.

COPY

NI

DIAKCY

REPROOLICT ION PROHIBITED

1
SECRET
!

p cnsoubult moyirtto.

'MOM

PlaAtie-H

ADYAKI COPY

.4-r

.two

4 .1

-
-

SE C-RE T221 024z

INFO

Tu.

E:i 11.011t0

DIR FRAN CITE

CATIDE
RE' F . MUNI

i4Eis.-61.1 IN 7 8698

0801

77

/-*
.
NO _INTEREST . IN REPLYING- T UT IL ITY,' S IDE
BE SURE YOU

;DO .,:,NOT IMPLY : IN ANY WAY THAT T.?:tiHAVE TAKEN THIS NATTER UP WITH -
- ,

ANYONE'.OUTSIDE OF BASE. JUST SAY THAT ALL THE

THEREi7ORE NO MARKET

FOR SUCH A GOOD BUY AT

BOYS ..HAVE WHEELS AND

THIS TIME.

E
."*""
.4,-:*
4.7 . .

7/

is

01-1r" 31:00
.
.

4i- er

" .

-;,, .
.

PRI

/9s7

., .

4-0 15,0A ;;Ifq

13:

es' is -reik.
:
Lr-ten)

14 4%,

t77

t.

Dirt 1,/
r'

'

0E3LAS . SIFIE0 41111.RCLEASE0

C JENTRALINTEe.LIG EN C E 11,GENCI

fi
r11:;*

4x. 0. ;

?A

SHETHOOSEXEMP1 i or. 3021

criiKsol SC1.051JRC 4C1
W

Dt.it 2005

..1`0);-- ;..

SECRET /

'

..." ... .... .

...
.
.
.....nor to..... a ... 6 en 0.1.1r 4,4 . ow,* a f ,17.1... 7 . , .,a. . .
.

, . . . , . .. .. ..... :el qVIt.. i:4;
7..1 ...,... 4 .....V').i 1.41. ,4,..
.

"
4%
.
t
!
:.
,
.IC
;
.
4
:3,
\
.
71
,
:
.).
'. i:C
f ' ii .:i" ;.';. 11:4 I
-...-,....: ...,te.., ,14,,', t.,1 t :.'1. 1 %"-, I ,
,,.;,111"...,..1, 1,'!a70 Al. y i
`If. 1,I ", . ,/ ''41,,r4Ja...!',:
: r f.....r.4,. , . .; ..,...
, .
, ,
... .
,.... ,o, ,.. .1:..... , . ,. 4,.. .1 . ,,. . , el,
er.i.......o.rfrapifirIPPKNOW's

' ..A.,;"

.., .

'';4 .

. s .f
. ..
' 1.
! e ., ..,%,W'L'gr.

.?

!,

g41

nt o,

LL
DC./ EFIG

OMG
UT 1
DATE

r2r4s

7858

22 SEPT 1964

SECRET

INDEx
T;NO INDEX

CJ

ROUT NO

MESSAGE FORM
2

FILE IN CS FILE NO.

SE?j
TO MUNICH

4 9 2:

GERMANY FRANKFURT

mom DIRECTOR

SIG CE/1
INFO OL Li, V 4--

CONF.

1, 5' 0 7

CAT.IDE
REF MUNI 0801 (IN . 77952)

41

BECAUSE SEE NO POTENTI,

SE FOR

OF HANDLING PURCHASE AND RESALE,

VEHICLE

REQUEST NOT

IN RETURN FOR EXPENSE

TAKE UP OFFER.

END OF MESSAGE

/7 3-7

E-A6ff

/%t

Le-

DECLASSIFIED AD RELEASED . BY
CENTRAL INT-ELL IGENCE . Ari.ENC)
'.5- 0DRETS1ET.I1ODSE .. XEIO1 10h 313.21

1.114111/.AR.C.R1.14E-S.OISCL.0.511RE..AC1
DATE .23.95

c/Evo
1

C/ EE
RE L E ASING

OFFICER

\IIR.

II

c/EE/GicE

cooRDINA-fliCo orrictas

SECRET

CAOUF I
410..mr.41.4 *4
4ORNIRERIlie

EPRODUCTION BY OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED.

d.Tag BY,
OFFICER

Copy O.

AC.

si.

06/22 SEP 64
TO:

MUNI (C.

r..YES ONLY) FM:

GMNY

TELENOTE

DECLASSIF I ED

p.
R1BAT :CA:TIDE

A N b

RCCEASED BY

CENTRAL II;TUL IGENCE AGENC1

Oil3CESMETHOD3EXEMP1In 32E

REUR 01/21 SEPT

1,,,ZIVIR CR IMES 01 SCLIISURE AC1

'

E."-.1E

2005

AS I UNDERSTAND IT BRIEFING WILL COVER ADVANCED COLLECTION

.SYSTEMS BOTH OF U. S.

AND USSR. FOREGOING MOST CONFIDENTIAL.

g41.-AINt-{

(END)
*E.CRET

ag7J-.4,TH

/s;,,,4,__7
-4.."4a.
iknALLOL-f

41N

' ')4. -101)

s; ,

Qia

GariassItoiloil

,c/alsoiti

/ 7W

1MMEDIA ;--r.

1
22 'SEP 64

IN 7325 A

,R. E T 21.2307

Oti

.:I.MMEDIATE'..MUNI INFO D IR CITE ,GMNY 602

.C-

FROM

.n ;BRIEFING SCHEDULED AT 1100 HOURS.i...28,SVT

.
'S -RESIDENCE , FOLLOWING
'
:
BASSADQR'SOFFICE ASKS THAT tIE INVITE UTILITY.
:
$4:-.W.Ni-s.,
;;:littliftTS:::REPLY;4iffS::.tiFTERNOON: PLEASE"TELHONE

LUNCH AT

:::MIDO

:.
FFICI. ;YOeyAis 6:::;Ittv:I TED:TO.,=:ImI gili::rf." 4i4M1-F.-1.!? 5 A DOR IS

r.

10 kt E A.s E a

FLUtR
s

t 7

E t.4 . 1.,ii41 610

VA a
4:'S.1/ 01C L a s

.1:

E IVA'

600046*AuTo0ATKDdhiNGkApivo:DtculsiFpq(cN
OCA US INT GO SO EG

C/LB'TOLET lf6PS : L/CE L/PLOS L/RE

SI:C FIN LOG RE;,:l

Ucown
..

L/P:7 UNA.

"
IN-7333

bR IT?
2221082

SE C R
PRIORIT Y

./1
CNIS
E21 E

r:UNI GYM( INFO FRAN

CITE DIR 51647

'FROr

TO

..RE'LUCTANTLY INFORY. YOU I HAVE FOUND IT NECESSARY TO

1. EMS'P...
EUROPEAN . TRIP. THEREFORE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP
CANCEL ' PLNED :'.
APJOINTrEtT AT FUNI . ON 25 SEPTEVBERs.
. .. sEPTEYBER..
INTEREST . .7N PARTICIPATION IN 25
.:1414WARE:.',;:iiii.Y.DUR
2.
.. WAS A
TO CANCEL AT THIS TIFE
YOU THE DECISI off
JUDC:ErENT . AS
; IT PEST TO DEPEND ON YOUR
rOsTTDIFFICULT ONE. . .

40:150i

411E0

0..-ttANDLE. THIS WITH UTILITY. FOR YOUR INFORFATION DECISION

OF :CURRENT. PRESSING
0$410:S/NGL E ISSUE . BUT TOTALITY

ASDt1AND1NG . PERSONAL ATTENTION.

..

ED AND RE LEASED . .6rCENTRAL I CUL IGEMC

LA

Slr

bal

..SQURCESMETMSEXEMP110k3OZE
liAlLWAF(CR Ilq5DISCLUSURE AC1
.CAit 2.005

.Wirif

".

. /C2Le.
..
IiiftpDEO FR6M-AUTOMATIC'DOWNGRAOING ANO'bEGLASSIFICATION-/

,
' /L q

.'

OCA . aLs ; NT GO SCEG

..E./IP_L/OPS L ./GE Li PLANS LiU

NT C/ SB

'SEC FIN LOG

ORIG :

UNIT :

EXT
:
DATE :
TO

'

FROM:

3cc 10)

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE
C/MLB

SECRET

54

ccri

11 '

ri c): 2 2

24 September 1964
FRAM.

MUNI

INFO

BONN

11F

PRESENT)

(.7.

PRIOrailt.

INFO : CiMLB

TELENOTE

PURRITYc

,_
1. r

CABLE (DIR 51647) SAYING HE NOT ABLE TO SEE

UTILITY ON 25 SEPT ADDRESSED TO YOU, BUT FEEL WE MUST IMMEDIATELY

/06
TELL UTILITY. HE HAS PEOPLE COMING IN ONE INSTANCE FROM AS FAR
AWAY AS BREISACH. THIS WILL CLEAR UP HIS SCHEDULE AND ALLOW US
4
TO CANCEL COCKTAILS AT BRUECKE, AS WELL, WHICH CRANKED UP SOLELY
FOR LI- _I'S VISIT. DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL YOU ARRIVE.
2.

PLEASE . CONFIRM

BY

PRIORITY TELENOTE THAT YOU HAVE NO OTHER

PLANS IN THE MATTER.

3.

WILL PICK YOU UP TONIGHT AT AIRPORT.

OEC1ASS:IFIED

END OF MESSAGE')
AMR RELEAS

CERTRA1 J
1ITELL I6
S.OURCE.SWET1100SEXEK
PI eh 382E
NA2
I AR CR I W
NES 01 SC
LUa PE AC
L41E 2005

l''141.u.
r

COORDINATING OFFICERS

SECRET
RELEASING OFFICER

p?30.2 4/4/ s0/1/ W/171 36

AUTHENTICATING:OFFICER

IT IS FORBIDDEN TO MAKE A COPY OF THIS MESSAGE

Copy No.

PROCESSING ACTION

CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

MARKED FOR INDEXING

.

S..

Chief L_Munich Liaison Base

Chief of Station, Germany.
CSB, Frankfurt

INFO.

XX

NO INDEXING REQUIRED.
ONLY QUALIFIED DESK
CAN JUDGE INDEXING

OM

Chief, EE

SUBJECT

MICROFILM

'CATIDE

)-8

UTILITY Contact Reports

ACTIONREQUIRED.REFUDMES

EGMT -11297, 25 September 1964

Reference:

Headquarters would appreciate receiVing on a regular

basis the contact reports written on meetings with UTILITY.

_

,
10,,11-:

Distribution.
Orig
MLB
1 - COS, Germany
1 - CSB, Frankfurt
& a''-

__

IFIltifl.41.11
;? V;S
1116E711:.:21..
rl
6SSEN:7"11
, 1:-Iii .
4;ETMODSEXE3/P 110: . .4 3L au
s.. hiq l W1 R CR IMES 1 si
CL0.5URP . Au.. .
DATE 2 . 0 0 i
; ""

....

COUP 1

S.

Exclud36 tom autamatt

enruttifts and
En12:31:1:ttlou

,3O. ,t
CROSS REFERENCE TO

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGM -5278
CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

knisem)

DATE

pv/Mi

..

363

-,07 001- IF.4.,

6 October 1964

H05 FILE NUMBER

.:

am.

'

D is p Arc H

TO

PROCESSING AC

.AitlaD
XX

Chief oi Base, Bonn

Chief, mLB

MUCCI

f04 MOONS

"ON

,
N.

Chief, EE

Pam

.
U r T::
4

NO NIDOUNG MIMED
-0ILT ROALIFIED OM

Chief of Station, Germany,

.
.
Operational/Liaison
.
Meeting with UTILITY 29 September 1964.

CAN JUNE

MOON

maw

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES ,

1. UTILITY called on me 29 September principally for the

purpose of discussing Krone'e . position. My report on this
subject and several others is attached (USC TNP)..
.
.
points not included in the report follow:
2. . A few
.
:UTILITY was at pains to point out to me that while foreign
...::.,

policy is certainly out of his field 'he is much closer to 'Krone

to deal with
than he is to Schroeder on the question of
"Prance (I am really very pleased that the question of the French
alliance came up at lunch with UTILITY present since as you know
I have attempted to get. UTILITY to report confidentially
Paris. The.
?ranco/German relations and on what he learns
% rumors referred to in the attached report are. of coUrse CATIDE
reports. UTILITY himself relegated them to the rumo? category.)
,
3. I told UTILITY that tbere . is no doubt but that the
U.S. does want to keep France lined up within the framework of
the Atlantic alliance and that, any influence that the Germans
'could bring to this end .would be welcome.
.... .
.
..
. .
,. .
.
.
. 4. 'UTILITY believes that there may be a desire on the
.partof the USSR to defer the.Erhard/Khrushchev meeting until'
after the Queen's.visit to Germany. .
tookthisto be
,gloomy speculation in the wake of.the*hWirkmannaffair, Lhave.
Hnot_reported'it.: Would apPretiate.havingAB check with . :
1
A0eii n.h.itrdi and Company . Do not quote UTILITY'. ...

how

on

in

Sincej

.
61

'
5. UTILITY believes that a lecture that.Gerstenmaier
:planning to' givein Paris -- apparently the same one he recently
gave in Tokyo -- has found favor in high places in the French
Government.
is

. Attachment: USC TNP

Memo dated 30 Sept 64
Distribu;tion:
- Chief, RE

tr:, :.:!;:n0c

5% L r ol; 3:0

att USC

2 - COR Rona w/ntt

moss REFERENCE TO

I". .-::1

TT'

DISPATCH

.9

r/mLn

SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGWA - 10

...<./.
,
Llfe--A

w/att usn
DATE

6 October

(7,7 . W

HQS VILE

NUMBER ,

ULLLAsSJfIEDAND
RELEASED PY
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE ArjENC1
SOURCEG

METHODSEXEMP1 ION 33ZE

NAZI WAR CRIMES 01

SCLETURE C1
DATE 2305

1964

somaiiir
[SUSI ICATION

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

DISPATCH SYSTIOT AND NO. .

EGWA - 10

6. UTILITY. again remarked that hie re lations with the

British are very close. He said that he had pushed for a
butter understanding with Londoh At the time of the Franco/

German rapproachement. He felt this was one way of keeping.

things in balance. He considers that he now enjoys a relation-1
ship based on full mutual confidence.

.1., :\)
N

k I
t

t 4,
V's

0 1/ ' 4z1,1h,,

tOt Or.sc
t

POSH
ID-0
(4)

530

USE PtiVIOUS EDITION.

*MACES FOOAS
$141; ST211A AND 514f
. WHICH An 011$01M.

10.

clJk

SECREt

PA01 NO.
CONTINUi0

'71:tr7:77.-,.."

041m04symmmoNo.

CLASIMGM)w

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

1 Attachment

Cn1\_r: T/

USC TNP to

EUWA 10 dated ;6 Oct 64

COPY
30 September 1964

MEMORANDUM FOR: Ambassador George C. McGhee

'Conversation with General Gehlen 29 September '64

SUBJECT:

" 1. General Gehlen, President of the BND, had the following

comments to make 29 September. He felt that the briefing given
by-the Director of Central Intelligence on 28 September had been
. a Vnorougb going success. After the briefing, Chancellor Erhard
asked him whether German intelligence could produce good photography. He replied that in his opinion the cost of such a program
would 'oe well out of the range of anything the Germans could undertake. He added that in his opinion the Germans should concentrate
on doing the very best job of collection that they can and that
they should give full support to American intelligence and should
cultivate very strong ties with the U.S.
2. Further to this point, Gehlen told me that he-has
recently written to Minister Westrick asking that the budgetary
ceiling imposed on his, organization two.years ago be re-examined.
He explained that in. the late 50's and early . 60's, with Adenauer's
full agreement, he had embarked olla program of increasing Germany's
ollection capabilities in the signal ,$.ntelligence field. He has
now reached the point where he cannot round out his colleCtion
effort without more funds.
3. Gehlen did not indicate whether he.thought he has
Chance of getting more money but he did say that the present
administration is nowmuch better informed about intelligence
than it was at the outset.

4. Gehlen felt that Minister krone- had not completely

succeeded . in-answering the questior: Can the German GoVernment,.
using its close alliance with Franc, bring France .somewhatmore
into SO within the.framework.of tne North Atlantic alliance?
Gehlen said that ELcone's repliesAiau s . :esav41 tO . him to be somewhat hesitant and t4ligmatic, although clearly indicating that..
krone:, feels deeply about the matter. Ab . background, Goblen
ecplained that Krone has been one to urge Chancellor Erhard to keep
the door open to France. His interest in 'keeping Pril.uco/German
relations on a good footing is in part inspired by /ear that
Franco, feeling rebuffed, may embark on anentirely independent.
coursv isolating herself from Germany and the U.S. and in a sense
placing Germany in the awkward position of standing between unfriendlyforces. Gehlen said that there had been rumors iu Paris
that Such a course of action may be contemplated. 'and that he and
Krone, while not believing that suCh a decision 'has been made,
are concerned that it might be.

BEST AVAP

Gordon M. Stewart

A
ic%"53;:t
om

usi PUVeU1 tornOw.

tirtACIS /OW
4141). $1.21A 040 St41
WHICH Att

CLAIWIC.A110.4

'AO! NO.

SECRETORS .

r::1 dolom go

JJ__I

SECRET
CONTACT REPORT
UTILITY, Brigadier General Higgins, Major Clark and C
UTILITY's office
2 November 1964
1. Not a great deal of substance took place at this meeting
as the Doctor mainly, concerned himself with giving Brigadier General
Higgins a resume of the history of his organization.
_
.
2. In addition to the history, he mentioned the CATIDE use
of cover commercial firma. He saidthat for legal reasons the
cover firms would exist less than a yet' and then would go into the
equivalent of bankruptcy proceedings which could last for another
four year3. UTILITY also commented he had talent spotters in 'universities. Sometimes he found a talented person and urged him to
stay in a ilmiveesicy fingering other prospective CATIDe candidates.
I think in this comment he was referring mainly to scientific and
technical personnel. He said his organization also had a Colonel
in the personnel section of the armed forces doing spotting work
for him. He commelited to General Higgins that the CATIDE use of
cover license t ._kgs had been demonstrably effective in hindering
inquiries abcrat CATIDE.
3. He also mentioned that he believed that his successor
would be a General adding, I believe, that this was part of the
law surrounding the organization of CATIDE

ft:ft/44'10EO ADO

-Typed 12 November 1964

CtkfR4Lh
lc-LEA:1E r
-11TElcT
l
59d1411EIHOosis
EXEcu
kPliC4.3U2E
.114Z1WeiRCRINES011CLOSVRE/41
LIYLE:
2005

SECRET

'

SECRET
CONTACT REPORT
9Holm, E:
's'offic;e
4: November 1964 .

and

1. The ostensible reason for this meeting was to allow

to tell UTILITY:about contacts he had been making in Bonn. In this
connection .; UTILITY advised C .1i, in one, instance not to bother with
one proposed contact because he was too junior a man. IA)

u3,610,..! t, ./

2. UTILITY made comments on the matter of German technical men

in Egypt. He asked C
-1 if possible , to get the point across to interested parties that if West German technicians were withdrawn from
'Egypt, the technical positions there might be filled by Soviets or
East Germans.
3. UTILITY made an interesting comment (in my opinion, at any
rate) about the fall of Khrushchev. He said he thought it was a good
thing. The reason for this was people were becoming lulled by
Khrushchev's relatively low-pressure world politics'. Therefore, they
forgot the real nature and the real menace of the Soviet Union.
4. In the CATIDE estimate as reflected by UTILITY, the Soviet
Podgorniy figured high on the totem pole of behind-the-scenes powers;
as a strong man. .

ND1a detailed nature,

5. In a discussion of SIGINT, which wasef
UTILITY seemed quite at ease, reflecting in no way the low-level
- pressures we are getting to come across immediately with finished
COMINT material. Part of this may stem from the anticipated . resignation or retirement of a gentleman in Bonn connected with the matter.
(I fear my ignorance of the names and numbers of the players is reflected in my inability to recall the man's name.)

'

6. UTILITY also seemed to be quite relaxed about the matter

of the construction of the air force towers, r1.entioning that the head
of the air force was a man from r:ATIDE of former years, and that CATIDt_
entry into the towers was a matter that had already been arranged.
A

7 C2 and UTILITY had what appeared to be a worthwhile exchange of political news notes on the Bonn scene. I fear the intricacies and nuances were a bit beyond my presently primitive understanding of the situation in the German capitol. However, UTILITY made 5
*aninteresting estimate regarding Chancellor Adenauer's
newspaper interview UTILITY said this was an effort to remove himself ti
somewhat from the official German and German Foreign Office position
tefo.re having his talks with
nre-De

De

Gaulle.

Il
Typed: 12 November 1964
DEU SIJFIE0
ANO

S
g46

ESMITHODSEXEMP1

I N 33Zt
NAZI WAR CRIMES Di SCLUgng AC1
tkJE 2305

Gaullo

f!,

FROM 1,50X I.C:1 CONT.ACT REPORT

'

,: . : . 76.
.,,F4. , ,-.: -:
;i.. ....

i
.,,:
E

f.

1
;.;
i

1
Fi

' -

TheY gave UTILITY .a very favorable description and.4rock asked

....., i if UTILITYplanned to accept KUBARK's invitation to go to the
3...States himself. UTILITY replied that time would not permit his
making the trip before the spring of 1965 and he was not sure
'"-wanted to go even then. He added that KUBARK had invited
St.e:1.- Rs. ..h..er,
r hiii!
guilty
i. . @DeCkmann Case and he was not sure he wanted to accept
their
4

. -:4:17.1
..,:,."....:

,,,,

ft..3:htikiAtlity.
7;gr,'X

rock said that UTILITY 's comment emphasizes . what he has k2'.1%-.!
5 .. B
4,44b.i..i4lWays 'told me: that UTILITY will not forgive KUBARK for the
0
;,.
It:Ik:Ckmariri
case as long as he lives. UTILITY's interpretation df..
tAi:S
;.W.f tli16.4 case is that it was an intrigue aimed at forcinc. him out of
fiV.:.-.C'ATlbE: He believes that the allegations against Beckmann( were
.,;'ilglaberately twisted by an anti-UTILITY. cabal in KUBARK
'..
. 54
!,;:,

,:;,.:-...,:
k.obably headed by t_
which was determined to get rid of
said
'-;Iiinv. He sees .teckmann only as a pawn in this game.Brock
:
i ,: -.4
:Elikt it is . probably because of .the .Deckmann case that UTILITY'.
hifT:ollade such an effort to strengthen his relationships with ...;./.. -..
FL17:,1ii.i.::::,..British and Trench Services:. - 7 Feeling that he has lott71(1.03:*!..:S
f,s..ibkrpipiit, he hopes to retain . theirs ,
'

"..Z..l..
k-::::.
.., . .
.--Ts1;15
f.,
ttn:' ; . . "..: . '''.

.I'.t . .'7.i

._

--e0:;11`t
,14

42_,(Z87.

s-E-c-u-E-Ir

Wt./45111E0 4WD RELEASED BY

MML INTELLIGENCE ABEgCl.

.19N;A rf,

fdflWVIVIETBDO3EXPOTION3B2i
NAZIWARCRI NESBISCLOSURE ACI
BATE2005

41

-f-t/

3 December 1964

Dear Genera) Gehlen,

Almost six months have passed since we bade you farewell and
it is difficult to realize that the time has passed so quickly.
Ruth and I did enjoy so Much that last afternoon with you and
your wife. Shortly thereafter we departed Munich. The trip back
was pleasant and our home leave' was enjoyable except that it was .
marred by the death of Ruth's father. However, she spent his last
three weeks with him and was grateful that we got home in time. Her
father was 82 and had had a full life.
We Moved into our former home in Falls . Church, Virginia in
early September; the children entered school nearby, and I returned'
to work about mid-September. I believe I told you before my departure
that . I was destined for the position I held in 1959 which concerns
planning activities. I am back at it and reorienting myself.
.
.
I was delighted to see that during October the vidit.of1Herrn
JdOelleranetrock
materialized; I trust they enjoyed the entire
,
- -trip, Although I had the privilege of escorting them about Washington and saw them at.various social;functions, I did . not get to see
them at the completion of theirtravels_in theTnited States. I am particularly happy that you chose Herr koelldr:to make the trip.
The discussions. and briefings here in Washington plus a first-hand .
look at the country should be of assistance to him in his new position
in your Service.
Particularly enjoyable in October was the grand reunion party which
Jlei*held at-his home. Not only was it q. genuine pleasure . to see some
of the Old s Pullach hands who were stationed there with Jim, but it
was a real surprise to meet John poker :. again . after all these years.
It was -a verynice party.

With Christmas approaching, the thought 'of . parties.Will make.Us

yearn for Munich. First Of ail, We Shall miss the traditional

Christmas dinner at which you were_our honored_gueStlor the Past five
years and at which we always saw Pperhard-:an&PUtsched, We did enjoy
those evenings so much. Then, too, there was always the large
Christmas cocktail party -- the one really large gathering of the year
when we. were able to mingle with so many members of your Service. I
must say that the house at Forstweg 8 provided an ideal setting for
AH:could nOt have insuch events.' It is unfortunate that,
herited it.
.v.0,Af,s1FIE 0 Amn
RU

CEN TRA .

ASED tY

1. INPELL IGENCk

S!.)URC,ES-METHODSEXEM)1 In

fl . :`,Z
iJ

3021

CAR CR IhiESAI SC1.03114t

E 2 0 0 5

4/4tsoiv W '
771 36

The mention of the Hartwies reminds me that I have heard that

you have posted him to London. You know, of course, the high esteem
in which I hold Eberhard and I consider the British most fortunate
in having him as your representative. I trust that someday his
assignment will permit him to visit the United States again because
we would be delighted to see both him and , his wife again.

I.

And speaking of visits, we are looking forward to the day when

you choose to visit here again. Perhaps by that time we shall be
in our new. home. We purchased one in November which is under construdtion and we expect to ocOupY it in late March. It is located
in Virginia also but now our address will be Vienna, Virginia. Sorry.
we don't have a MUnich around here.
_I,think this will probably reach you by Christmas, but
the t. mmtl,reiseMbrance that I am sending will probably arrive late.
The'Oriid oreVefits beret has us jumping this Christmas.
.
Ruth and I both wish you and your family a most joyous
Christmas . and holiday season. And may the New Year bring continued
good health and success.

TOTAL COP I CS

ay:SECRET

' FROM

P ERSON/

INFO
,

'

, ..... -_:::;:::::::--

I-

:.

DcZ

ISSUED

0 SLOTT=

F-1 TUDe

400

I ND 6.1.1 . i bel Pt .

3 i .

c
h--

AY

0416101

1 i ' ,lip

fr

cr,

r
.

t.

:RNA.

..

a
26 41

HOPE THAT DIRECTOR. PLANS TO SEND CHRISTMAS CARD TO UTILITY

, AS USUAL.

WE WOULD FIND THIS USEFUL AT LIAISON

UGGEST

BASE;

. .3 WOULD BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND THE DISPATCH OF SUCH OTHER

' CI-IR ISTMAS CARDS FROM

SENIOR

OFFICERS AS HAVE

USUALLY

BEEN SENT.

IF .DIRECTOR MAKES PRACTICE OF -PUTTING ANYTHING PERSONAL ON CARD;

1.

UTILITY MEETING AT BONN

.;SUGGEST REFERENCE BE MADE TO LAST

C7

B3.IEFING. AND AMBASSADOR MCGHEE LUNCHEON. UNLESS HEADQUARTERS 'OR .

FEELS 'WE 'VE MENTIONED IT ENOUGH, POSSIBLY REFERENCE TO HOPE
.

..'0F .:, SEEING UTILITY IN WASHINGTON DURING NEW YEAR MIGHT BE

IN ORDER.

1.

1:9 R.EC.641143

t:

BY

--..L4-l....

a .

aPrr

DIR GMNY INFO FRAN CITE MUNI - 13;3)

-

....:.- r

TIME

.
.
..SECRET

12L Z

UNi T NOT I F I CO .

AOVANCE COPY-

E.e 4

va,. FILE,

EPRODUCT I ON PROHIBITED

14i

MUNI (CA
"I 114
'

/3'

D .MESSAGE

CLASS IF

DUMMY

LflIcoPY

D ECLASSIPI ED ANII
R ELEASED B
U:NiVIL luraLiafAcE

EXEP 11E(
32(:
,214
CRIMES el SCLOGURE.AC1
-L,',IE 2005
2

. SECRET

os
:,'

'

LI

TIC , n

SECRET

,
:

PROCESSING ACTION

CLASSIFICATION

?MAKE FOR INDEXING

TO
INFO.

XX

Chief, .Munich Liaison Base

Chief of Station, Germany
i;SB, Frankfurt

NO

INDEXINGREQUIRED

ONLY QUALIFI ED DESK

CAN JUDGE INDEXING

FROM

Chief_f_EE
CATIDE
.UTTLTTV

umna

MOMMA

prr./.. >

ACTION REQUIRED -REFEUNCES

'

Attached under separate cover is

nrs

c.

Christmas letter to UTILITY and a carbon copy for the infor-.

mation of Chief, MLB.
4

'
,

L:

Attachment als, usc

Letter
Distribution:
Orig & 1 - MU, w/att
1 - COS, Germany, wfo att
1 - CSB, Frankfurt, wio att

. .

CEt:NLAS41Fli
CiTR1
tl:1:41%E71.:::Irr.
:11;

S ri i1,7CES

METHODSEXEN;PI I:: ;
3i2E
I W'lit
CRIMES 01 SC1.03 URE
i;C1
1E 2005

; Z

.
.
CROSS REFERENCE TO

...

-5433
CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

EiI..t.::. if *...
i.: : .....

3a
DATE

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGIvc

Gac...?

.,.. .

'

1
.. :::

. .

Ai g isso

tvf

r/i

36,3
4 December 1964

FIGS FILE NUMBER

s E

TO

PROCESSING ACTION

,,.

CLAsSIFICATION

.-.E
4wite

MARKED FOR INODONG

XX

ChieMunich.Liaison Base

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

INFO.

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK.

CAN JUDGE INDEXING

Chief of Stationi_Germany
e

FROM

Chief. EE

suancr

MICROFILM ego'

a-li
1 -r
DE. .

Letter to.UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED -REFERENCES

under separate cover for transmittal to UTILITY

Attached

ft"; a letter from L

.1 Jto UTILITY thanking him

for the CkfIDE medal and a silver dish which recently were

presented to .
behalf..

..

:1 by Alias DESSAU, acting in UTILITYTS

A carbon copy of the letter is attached for Chief, MLB.

....

L-

.Attachment afs
. Letter

usC
,

Distribution:
' Orig & 1 - ?!LB,wiatt
2 - Ws, Germany; w/o att
.

. 4.) ,iiritU /OR

pr

..(::;Y;:ei:l..:I
Et;IPIC-1-1.:::::21:
:
Z
I

LATE

IV 4 . R

C R.

INES DI S

iii.s

Ct . 0

j.

tif E . A C-1

,,,t

War

.gja.,/....
CROSS REFERENCE

DISPATCH symaol. AND NUMBER

TO

SEC

daznxid:: aad
.0::.;:t:1:1=1:11

A;///5 0 4/ wire. f::.36;3

DATE

EGMS -5434
cuustFicATIoN ..,_

CROUP 1
Ettle2ct trva a:LImali:

4 December 1964
Nos

FILE NUMBER

.ri.'

ET

CLASSTIED MESSAGE
UNT;-

CI MI.

sEcRET

EXT
DA. TE.:Wee-mb
- er 1964.

5-1

TO c

FRO '

muur

141

1
a

-7

INFO :

VrI
n

CONE:

DEFERRED

C/MLB

ROUT ME

1.1 IX

I PRiOT.TY

r-64 CPEPATI:VALI
1
:

mmmu
mnmus.

l'arirlf%Tr:

II

II"
f .J1_

oin

MT.

'1 4 1 7

mul,I

CONCERNING WOODEN CHIEF'S THRONE L J SO VINDLY SENT HE 7'24

TOLW,IHRIATMAS
. PRESEN$66,10 T O
UTILITY: WOULD "2-IKE TO IKCLUDE
WITH GIFT . SOME RAQKGROUND DESCRIPTION.
' igaiECTIOV 13 THAT iHE
. CHAIRS
WITS.
LION'ARM RESTS CARE FROM AREA OF/FORMER NATIVE CAPIT.OL,NORTH
OF COTONU; .;.
DOHOHEY. CAN YOU SUPPLY THE NATIVE NAME OF THIS TYPE OF
ACCRA

CHAIR? WHAT.
.

DO

simarfcm6E
.
OF EAGLE-SNAKE CARVING ON,EAT
illipm

LION ARWRESTS
HE
A

R? LOCAL RESOURCES flERE7

4E

APPRECIATE =ANSWER IN
TIME FOR 18TH DECEHPER PRESENTATION DINNER.
END OF. MESSAGE
CECLASSIFIt0.A11D

r,E!;STRIL

te.vi-LLIGE4.4 A5ik:1

SuccEI;AET33,10a*Pili3J2f
.ti47i
;E

141E

S.0 .

1 S 40311:RE ACI.

I---

._1

COORD;RA.TiNt : 0

smens

4/e15/1) W/r/71

arLEA5ING 07FtCER.

CR .

2005

SECRE.T

REPROD1JCTi0i4 BY OTHER THAN TEE i&c.;,-5!NL; OFF.!!;;:.E.0;;;:TED,

363

% r.:!::,

'-'4..4427...t

k -,.:.

.....
. - .,. . C:
'Fi s- .

CLASSIFICAITON

SECRE

PROCESSING ACTION

T
MARKED FOR IIIDOCIMO

To .

'

.
,

SUBJECT

CHIFF, MUNICH LIAISON BASE

CHIEF OF STAt ION, GERMANY - CHIEF, CSB,

FRANKFURT - CHIEF, BONN -OPERATIONS BASE
.
CHIEF

MO INDEXING IIIIO(11.RED
ONLY QUALIFIED DaK

CAN ME MOWN
.

MIcROFIUI

CHRISTMAS GREETINGS TO 'CAT I DE -;

ACTION REQUIRED

,.

REFERENCB

MUN I

1398

1. - SINCE r--...1 NOT SENDING ANY CARDS, PLAN . DRAW UP MESSAGE

11 TOGETHER.

-.7' AND E.
TO 'CONVEY TO UTILITY GREETINGS OF C

WI LL TLETAPE OR CABLE -I T FOR MLB TO PASS ON.

2.
OUR PLANS FOR OTHER GREETINGS INCLUDE CARDS TO UTILITY
FROM L
-1 AND MYSELF BEING POUCHED FROM HERE, AND
Ti CCARDS' O DESAL!. FROM THEM AND MYSELF TO BE DELIVERED LOCALLY.
. .
BONN - PLS INFORM :![.._
3 ',ARO PARA TWO BEING SENT IN
3.
HIS NAME FROM HERE.
4

'
.,

-.
DEC.

: .1
.

L . "- - ' '.

i-I SS

: F 1

E 0

AllREL
.

DISTRIBUTION'
.. BY TAPE .
MLB
.
r . COS, GERMANY
- CSB, FRAN
BONN OPERATIONS BASE

-,

:..
-....

fc..
,:...:4CT"APSEXEMP:1:::N'
E:(11,...:1E
' t:2 :0 ;-;
t: 5
C RI
::)/ S C. L U E3'' U
.1:i:.;:dA.C2'1:

'

'.11:1::11.01 6 E. N C

'

...

CROSS REFERENCE TO
-. .

g3c:,
DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

4/111soft)
DATE

wrrif .

c.

HOS FILE NUMBER

CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

.
_

63 .

'

15 DECEMBER

EGMS - 5456

,.

1961k

/ .

...:.::. ' .

. ..,.
i PRIG I
' oar

I '.

EXT I. -

'ROUTING

C.:

MESSAGE FORIvl .
5
NAK I y
6
O INDEX
2
I M. SECRET
.
-0 NO !NUDE
7
FIE INMEt:ufma...._______________j...._______

- - -

C/ "Ei f G/CE

'

X 5751

.4'

'

eEL5_Drsa_6AL

.
Tcf .1

MUNICH ' GERMANY FRANKFURT

RETURN TO BRANCH

DEC G'1

O . ERE RID

ROUTINE

iggti DIRECTOR
C.0e,

INFO

Dei .

(//,
Y

MUNI

1)/b q

1t4 Of;

ADDe 47A/4; CSI IR;

I.

i / CE.t4

Sg

0
P.

e/70PS, v F/C--,77:1//077A
GMNY

INFO,

pi g

..

FRAN
'

CAT IDE
t

RE: E CMS 5456

PLS CONVEY TO UTILITY' tliE FOLLOWING MESSAGE FROM

AND

0'

OF THE MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF HEARTIEST SEASONS GREETINGS AND

3 WE WISH YOU AND ALL

BEST WISHES . FOR

A PEACEFUL AND SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR. WE ALSO

LOOK. FORWARD TO A CONTINUATION OF THE FRIENDLY SPIRIT OP

/ COOPERATION. WHICH Eks

MANY

xxissrp . SEMEN
.

OUR SERVICES FOR

so

YEARS

END OF XiSSAGE
.PECLASSIF/E0'

'C.

14' T

AN

ELL( G

RELEACI:,:./ ..?
V

.A.ZIWAR eRINE
t AI . E.

OI
2 05.

SCLU3 .IJ: .E

Ac/q/a.,
3
.

1 =

fine Till ET ItI G

.
.
ari.cAstmgiseTnric

1389a

M;1 1:41.,

. E.P.:17.i DUCT ION

tou-:

DDP
, .

c 0

0 r rIG EA. !

CIEEr--

0.(1tP1

AUTHENTIGATI G
0
t3 SI
,

dotlaulficallea

BY OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED.

Copy No.

. ,

erhe

'

thin lettr,r of Doe. 12., 1964 to C-

."Well, this is thi: lnst for

ki

few yeari;(refers to Chrietmas in Cevastti

next, tine in London. I hnve really never thought of that: g Bxpected .

some

recognition or climsxin int e r y:,ers in Washington. But things

dcvelopped very sudden and the BritiPh were very outspoken to their
personal sug;:estion ! So our boss made the decision tossnd ne whilst
he is still in 'office and call me back before he leaves.. This [cans, that
I hope to. stay over there for some three years et least.
Yesterday we had a very nice n.rucke dinnar and dance.

. , !

.,Itch 'en and 'I

wsre tht king shoftt, our faasts ' and the easy and cosy, modest way you
.took ear" or us all.. Tomorrow is thc.troditional private dinner but
without 'F'ut.c1Tin and sin. Only ,Jr.. !.+ r

.et)dt,

:1

'

The Dr. regrets it very

much but I. honestl y do not, since this 'nes been cur very pSersonal "hohePtinla!iit
with you both and before with Tom and one should not and cannot trans,plent .7.

the per:ion:a. feeling: Besides, e itre bound to leeve

11

F.xtract from :trOCt Christ:a as card tc

I want also tn thank y:-.11 egstin fcr tho wonderful and impresaii'e
"e are very happy: .:,
trip. I would do becbuse I know that ...1111--: your work
'!.
(?) .
here main'.y for twc reasons, f i rst of all to remember every

.
that there is between my beloved chief and mtself a distance of more than
, ;.'1i14700 kilometers and ecOnd tn live in the neighborhodd of a beach......."--.
11

tECLASSIFII0 ANn

PrAnSr.P.

CENTRAL !CELL
SOdRCESMETNOOSEXENP leii-3d2E
WAR CRII,CES 01 SCLOSURZ:, AC1 .
tA3E LIO5

,..7.
'''::..

r::4:1.::::.

r. !ft'

i -.1.1.-ast"--"----":.."

q
'
ChieEE
.....__

Chie f
. Stat-:
io

t is::.if:.:.:77.--,," ' - ';

1
2CATIDT.:

r .;

'4; 1: . i'.: rt i: T

" ... W kf ) :i-o L . ',.'..,. ii:flisi ,

1;

:::1q.mwei.vlsi.mwlIA'ff,

...

"

..
011

'

I':. .

. ---- i. 0
**-1-77-'---- -------- ------

,
.
,
,-,-,j,'.....:!. - -------- i '1 '"'i
..:.:1.1.216. :,..i,..::).:41;17
"-,'-,,
' of:
(.
:-.74:Jut.1.-.=.::,ga
..... _ i
_....___;
. .

:..

RT,..:: .

1,. :::...:,:.:: - : . :

:..MTe7:7;.-;.5;:.1":ac-17.1

(1":" .

...... . ... ...

Headquartern assumpti

taek

1. A fd,w days ago 1 had a discut:siOn with a'awn

as usual, loodsd with got.:d itioss, We had a quickva M :Lnctes on
the question of UTXLITY's suca *lssor, which h.:algs
all our
r
relations with :A'eaDt. .
r.

2 lioth C7
Th4ild vo:Adorod whether anybody at XUAARK
was going out O 11eir'Way to keep our social hand in with *.(nEHTITY.
was.

.! ..

OVQD

He has been cited several times . irbut, of cour r-m :

,; 41nra'ar01

no guar.

anteos) es a possible UTILItY successor. As ,C1-.7-2put it, you

can bet Your bottom dollar that the L-.Thand
are
busily working away cultivating peoae. - whom they - suspect or. hope
will -folZow UTZLIV. Since we have on whom Os can consider at
least.a prime candidata, maybe he would be orth o little . reprosentatiOnal work from oursidc--a dinrwe l , a show, a party onco in
a while.

lpeople

3. Although we know that t. p , hes a lot of fish to fry,

from our . psrochial point of vieWif ' ne cOuld fry-some of them down -

at the Ustional Thoeter

all our while. -

Distribution:

2 - Chief,
2 -

or

at Constmtional Hall, it might bo worth

nr,

Attachment: USC

1881

fi

IDEN -

Group T.
E%c1:14ed fvom automatic
dm.ngrading aud

demAacS6SicatiOn

a
c.L

MP

"

T
.
TCLASSU
v It
.-IETYAN
2 RTT.LE.M2:
H; TELL
So?iii;CESNET:-:;73EXEk.p;
t i,its, : 'iR

CR INES-01.S.:C103111.,: ACV

fi..'.1E'23J5 .

.
.

.
..
. .
..
. .

.t .
. . .
.

'

.

.
-

.

.
flo

...

. .

7 ., .

i '';

.,.."
"

. .

r.4.1

S.'

..
,

SECRET

ftte%

S.

.0"

(When Filled In)

DOCUMENT. TRANSFER AND CROSS REFERENCE

SUBJECT OF DOCUMENT

RI FILE NO.

...--.,
REDWOOD/OATIDE. ,. .

L:

-3'1S

3.

32W

DISPATCH OR SOURCE 00C.

1
.

1
2
.
SYMBOL NO.

28
4. DATE

Aft. to EGMA-65805

Lecture toCATIDE

30 Dec '64-

7.sOURCE CRYPT0m16. DATE OF INFO: , O.

Contact Report
ANALYST

S.

DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION.

2.

EVALUATION

.
6.

DATE PROCESSED

II.

10. DISSEMINATED IN

DATE

DOCUMENT DISPOSITION
12. CROSS RFFERRF0 Tr THIS FILE

13. TRANSFERRED TO
RI FILE NO.

PERTINENT INFORMATION

14.

1. r-
.
3 and I arrived at CATIDEJffeadquarters. at 0930.
and first Made a courtes y call on UTILITY. When I introduced
remarked that he and UTILITY had met
the two gentlemen
previously in l945-4Z when r.:
3 ! was still in the United States
Army and had been partly responsible for shepherding UTILITY and
his officers throu gh the Uftited states: UTILITY Skid that he
1, but he clearly did"not wish to remiindeed-remembered . CniSde_and I gotihe impression that the memorY: . Of those days
was a:-little distaStelul to him. C
4 then. went . on to mention
.hisexperiences Since the war.and the:topic,of his lectures.
Whil .e'kdding so he indicated that. he had been the case officer
UTILITY' 's eyes popped
for-both the . r-: D . ind r-
:1 operations.
a:. little at this and he allowed that he might find time to sit
in on part of the lectures himself. '
:L.

cO.
,6E.SIfin1;4g0
,.

RCL EAST.D ly

Nituao

-;'El'ig

S'qi/lCH"

PAZ I WIR CR INES

riJit

2 0 05

i,,,p,:i.

:1 12 1:

DIC
S

L03U:
' t
f

...

IS.
FILE THIS FORM IN FILE NO.

: ?Rsi 867

vac p nc y loul comoRs.

Gehlen
SECRET

:c.
_
(7.46)

ROUTINE

03 JAN 65

IN 9599

SECRET0321412
..MUNI INFO GMNY FRAN CITE
CAtiDE'

:,- .

...1/EFAUNL111555
. .
P OU.CHnETT ER. OS UNOPENED.

ED.:;'B Y . ASCHAM
.
'

WILL ADVISE STATION OF

00

7 0 .97 .

.*-;

s '.

*:
:

9EI:LASSIF I EO
AND
CENT,?1L
RCLEA,,;I:0 il
TELL
y
SO
IGENCE
A.,1 0';
in.f:ES NETHoDGEXEkvi!%
N AZI
1
144 R
3j 2i
DATE 2095CR INEStI SCLU.a4E /41.

40

-NA,"

1.033t.
1476,
1..4:1>

,.,

.1

LIME ti FRoti AL/1 01-1AT IC 001INGRAD I

..

NG

AN 0

iv:ICVOOS. .S0 .
RLS 1NT UT CjSB SEC' FiN's

'.0 CL4

SSII: C A, ON

LICE

L./PLAN;

LOG REG

/POL

L.P.N1,111

f
)

sECRXT
XX'

..Cb!,a1,-)sarift la Liatiam
Citereansatty

4,11171.1Frkereergbitter 1964

'1 -41.F..
. //(3'

.1-

,
t-L AA.A.,..A.0
z11,440f

re
,

itarAgesiseame,

,:e..14ttqitt

:WM

qvv:t
/:;:-.,4;.4ier

,::",,,V411

ii-^beivedetto
1
:.4;,:f447

St...

:`,1;..1.

l
itChqS It I ELI Au)

REL EAsEli Pr
gtNt4,4 /NU.L1,.?,,ict i4ENc)
PV+Hil,Witt,i40:Extkpi
pm 04 ck

fuNnv

VAU Z005

OISCI,MRE Aci

7:7

SECRZT

l g

ivol t..t
- V-'7144/.04-m'v:.0.-t.---tt

%-.1:+r-V`"?

4 .' " 4 "

1
Aime

,-.1;*;:ain.m4r

Lt
-rx4k:tirt/..r,

44 ,
ft4.

1014aW k4,16Z

t. tiv
4
31.1tv iti
iso
t Taws
-4-3.....-444pw4935.1sok 11./.
C
1',2t1

* 0:

itk-a

.,tiyr.t.Wt

"
C

"

CH
TO

PROCESSING ACTION

CLASSIFICATION

MARKED FOR INDEXING

Chief, EE

XX

INTO.

IN) INDEXING REQUIRED

WITQUWMIMM
CM 11.1641E RIDIX1/4

Chief of Station, Germany

SUBJECT.

INCROFIUl

Facts and Speculation About the Future of'CATIDE.

CT1ON REQUIRED - REFERENCES

1. Aikrtiiiig'S wife told me that their assignment to

London would preclude a subsequent . assignment to Washington

:.cause UTILITY plans to'havHartwig return to Headquarters

sometime before he himself retires from the organization. .2. ARoger told. me that it is - his impression that @HolM
runs .4-very good chance of being UTILITY's successor. He
said- that he knows many. people put their money on General
Wessel but that VHO1M's impressive knowledge of the interests
and operations . of iCATIDE will weigh very heavily in the final
decision. @Roger) said tnat he . has'been a close friend of
@Holm's for a good number of years and that he now works
dii.'eLly under him. He feels that @Holm has.shown the
qualities of leadership and
wiich would"fully justify
his appOintment as Chief. 3. These observations of'@Rogerfbring to mind.a statement UTILITY made to me some time ago, namely,. that he hoped
that his successor wOuld be selected frOm among the general
officers currently serving with the organization.
_71

Distribution:
../2 . 7- Chief, EE
2 - Chief, MLB

.DECLASSIFIEU

4110 RCL
EAIEU PY
OttELLIGCNCE
!;.1.0CtgkEt1100$EX
Ii7,11 WAR
EMP1f00
02C
or itqg
titL oadat
t!.it 2005

CROSS REFEPINCE

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

DATE

26 January 1965

EGWT-56e-

p-'

CLASSIFICATION

r-)

'

t.

HOST:LE NUMBER

C-

'-lig';',-

,'It'M'ect".`:Pt.1.-..-:-:- -4:*-,:n.,......, -...., .... .. -. ....

, ,..;.$
i :?
-...1 -;,) ro

A 1, 1

es,

r d

Lit

chicirs--M

1 xx i

gg Urt0o.d g1/311T P_P

no. i
I

SECRET

:4:1-

_ ___..
.._
... .._.___1....___
'

-/

y qui:Lino r.E..IX '

3

.m,___ChiaLt_liani.ch_Liali.$0n.nasn'At
. . . _ _ _ . s .__. _
=2
CATIDE/ c=
I
V.Z.U111161._Relief thatiRD Wi11.Win_196S.El.r_tOtiDna___
.ACTIOti M7.1/1fra rsnr..m<=
REF: EGHA-65847
1.

.&

1
I

At the CA1I011 reception on 10 Januar UTILITY re -rked

.77 . that he mrpected an SPD victory in the 196 'actions.

'
1

2. We think.tho information in Referenue para I tends to

--confirm-that UTILITY is thinking along theise lines. Although
.thef,rediep governmnt has approved the t:
-i operation,
.. TA.STILITY . .does not deeire to go - ahead until he has briefed the
',.%.-..!!.SOUialiit /eadere.
.

1 '

'

OECL4SSIFIE0
I

AND RELE:13::::
NTELL I GE
NCI-

1.',J.AI:C.EgtiETHOPSEXEkPi
I 1%'
E:-.1E

'
Excluded

INES DI

2305.

SCLUSURE .C1

fromtautematie downgrading and declassification

-%

: 1.4 .

tg 41 rt 1/

W. y

0._ F or II,i'

la
k
,i . .04 04g i.17.74 V:-....41''.'1
14

..,,o/

1
1
i

7-1

1
i
z
1.

!
i

1
1
)
tv.7.;:::A. t.::n 1:?.c....:::::! . 7---- ---"' i.WR
. ------- '-'-

C=4,r27:17001GTI 70

..

28 January 1965 .

EGI-V1-65936

SECRET

'

92W-2,-2913.

s...F.":1;

....KV) I t:fi

Chief, EE
-;
.
(ow), :,,
. of...Station, Germany

Liaison
Base
hief

utut:c

..
PATTDE 77... ,
413.6 on Situation
:
hcrepakces

140 5.1:1Ks

:'
:

YE1.48 diapatch , to

...f

"___1 and. r
c.
'

11(1./Ulettfr

lettlY CASAll P. CT{ O.

. " .

This . :is just ,: a short news note to the gentlemen mentiOii4

.lf the line above. As
3: and his :party were leaving
Otte t
UTILITY asked. ; ft-ii. ...to .. irt4 behind for

v4i*rite4:;:to iht** something,Wrkfahei.railted-to,ih*sma

,f-1).I.bura, 12 t2 .
itililOriblig:AeOlitilcoicir,'. of the threa.gailtIA**.mentiOned above, plus mina-buiblm-selfOattingia*coua in
P lAY roc01 ; Of ..@De4saul ' 'iThe- -Picture was takW-':,'F:!;)

during the @BrOck-@fiOellerv vi'sitr.' . ;' IfWas a present to IrtItItY...

6!"ig a il- The picture hings . , : initiViliitisly: behind UTItITY' s rig V'sit
Gel, On his wall back of his desk.. i For :some reason he .seeniSAti$41.

,
pleaseds.punch with . .thiS : -Photo.: '' .
110?
.
- . ,..o.ft i
.. ' 2; Certain cynics in L"
3 's -na rty su gg ested that the.-Ipit.
3 liaison .piOt.ii
is ilkian down and exchangeci for the L ..q or C
' depending upon who was calling.
.1

PittriP.ut ion :
Chief, EE
1 - COS /G (Bonn)
1 :COS/G (Fran;
.
... ,41 :k CL A '
S S rF -I
CPURAL
'

'':: :

In

ED At1:13 RELEASE0

3. An ig'noble thought?

t.
.1 .4. n
.1
- .'.
NI

BY

INTELL IGENCE

AGEKC1
,:1'.:.7SO:JfCESNETHOOSEXEVP.1104
I Al

EATE

144R CRIMEDi

2H5

30ZE
S

C1.030

Excluded fromIautomati et;

downgrading and declassifIca on
E APimuP

16;Ln;
EGMT-1182

CAT I CU' '

SECRET
1.114ViY4Fs."'''

ebrti<cr.- ,.! 1955

6/4

..Ri

with the cccincrit that UTILITY had. la the past prfarmed

azsynItelble serviCes-to Genrcuay and CATIDE end he did not wit re to get the
impressioa that be rna silaidytil. to trnin . However, the feat vas that UTILITY heel
not given: CAZJIS eny real leaderthip for the last two to three years end could. not

a: be expected, to change during the remainder of his stay as President. Rittor said
that UTZLITY.apends most of his tizt cruising around with the politicians In Bonn,
::

he ncrl.lknavs vhat is going on in CATIlti he wa i t make decisions himself and

vom i t dfilegate to his subordiaates the right to do so, he is scared stiff of a flap, :..:
and. he demandt that risks of any kind, be resolutely evoided. The result of this is
s that CAT:41E la drifting and morale is anything but coed. :Ritter said that officers .
of his Grade and age (he is a 4741=4r-0A Colon.e1) anre especially frustrated. They*:
. felt CAT= had great operational. possibilities but that timid toad . ineffective
lesderebip did not perndt them to be exploited., ; Ritter said that : CATI338?vesittovi:IA ,44
only about 56 percent s, of . oroseltb: and that the gonars1
tG
of.:Iethergri::**inieW end passing the buck:
the cloQe a 1srtty veet '14.417-ftf
While Ritter lets telting X ie
'
tursh : Both Ritter -end "
4te anL'.:these expressed to si.:::alsiiOVa
eg b
and sober UK= and. thii:IlieVtbittitbalt'libiependently expressed elziset "
. identical view is .a good sign thaVIdcat!i.tber Kris true. I:geratoithe

IliV,;:ppptacti,:eopecata itisr bigbie*.tliiet,:l23/Antt,IITILITT,,tizliiiiii:.-Caiikek."..;'

2 ;s.:

:.A...;
; ;ilsoke:,,9.141.z. 65
r:trtIoEup.773
c
.
._

'

He spoke of the trouble that arose when UTILITY found out.:thW.

#17:::FCriike'Relatlons Staff had made arran g ements for a Faschine part*
at the Regina Palace Hotel. Contrary to ?nil previous under.vifiiit miffed UTILITY was the aspect of supplying seven ICUSARYst
4gent1emen with female escorts from the Translation Section of .:CATIDE.r.:.,
Apparently, UTILITY thought that the 'even visitors from Washington
7 -1'
have but one thought in mind, to assault his young ladies. This
k ..arawou...d
. 50
line Of thought,
expressed by UTILITY to Hoelleral came to an end
;I s. when -lioeller: announced to UTILITY that one of the young ladies had beer
.4

I
.1

1:

.4

LJ
i ..714

AS

4.t.his-daughter7417;aq".:;:l.

;1; :; ?: !:

5. -Hoeller:said. there

ILITY: -

were &number of interesting aspects to . .

.
. .
a: He has no -sense of time. He will talk on and on.
.--.,
. ,, -. -.:: t.;. :
He is fascinated with mechanical gadgets.
a. H e really doesn't ,: enjOy. sOcializing-. He wouid . C.PrOirti. : - : ' ..
b:

::.:,

.7

tabs out in hi(ObtAtthinkinuabOut:CATIDEAm-thetA

,,4

."0:4$13.iir.

SaidaITTILITY.OioUlaiite an insight'Inte:faleitheta.,7a

acet'gn*COis charaCtiti01140eAtaP.Wif he called.-6044074a*Mili -:

gat it waeiiiiiW:'..iC: :tirW4ay...i.hat.';HIOnlier! . wa s oUtaikan'e ithitta. .
fifA:foldtt
.
Would . :ba. -.alrighta that would be * t. ciellelo s *decision. But; at the saint::
a ;anti, if 116eller were sitting at home . With five .children on Christmas
s ing, UTILITY. would he quite up to.. telling him to leave immedintely
seniiO4orn
i
for Bern, Switzerland, because 'his Christmas card to the Chief of the
Swiss Service had not been 'Correctly signed:

7. Moeller :Aid net give this as an actual example but the Bern
! story . had so much 'detail in it that it counded as if it really haTipenec.

4 s
psi;

D. .I spoke to,Hoeller about the debacle that -Was my attempt to

6
people. .
bring their gentlemen out into contact with other than
14; Kgiji ...lio.eller 'said that he was sorry that this thing had gone adrift and his
enthusiastic approval of it before the fact was, in fact, too enthus-.
1.1
1 . -..
,
iastic. I asked him whether on a cmaller scale, and say, for instance
., with house guests, we could have a'small number of his people in with",ILL:out dusting
the landscape. :Ie. said certainly, -especially the kind .
rI
i:
could - ld
p le too many auestions
to, now
just don t ask these people
I..4--: a: Ilyou
Illt:r. gather then that once in a while we can have non-KUBARX guentslato
El. ] 1 :: affairs and have a cmpincorsIvpineftrR L(Lcires Eroaner
, the - other way
I./:..4g.
. 1 : around) .a.7

I I. oraft
1..I

. :r

I .:"

KUT ARN

. .

110

.:k

I .3

; e

r , : 1

CENTRAL IN TELLIGERCE A5.ENCI

SOURCESNETHODSEXEPTIO43021
ft A I t WAR CRANES
DI SCLOSURE ACT

DfclE 2305

ROME

034067
I ti-tlitRS

11 MAR 65

NF.

I A L 1118572

MuNI INFO amNY FRAN CITE DIR 91710

CATIDE
REF..DIR. 82235
LETTElf. ;.NOT .RECEIVED IN

E.

PLS ADVISE.

0 liZsolvorrirT I . A L
.i2/071162

;CLASSIFIED AND R
EL'
EASED I?
C.:.:TRAL INTELLIGENCE
1'
SO U 2'E
AGENCI'
,9S0NETHODSEXE10110Ci382(
NAZI W.AR
D A I E :.

CLOSURE Ael

A.? 2 ,
T

t.

I.

j://9/ $0./t/ W/17/

:.

36-3

'

(44')

ME.:YV:i(.212.

4E_

WM- OiLk1----

..
mi.:: 12 March 1965.
.14

'..
...

70.

7-

DiR

INFO

21
. S E C. R
I
Tr.

2196

CONF

li-

';

DE:---.11:17)

I XX

C.4a.B

Filo:

. .. -

!"-5: : 7 12-

Grimy ' FRAI;

UT

230 Liaison wit1j163

1(

ErJORTI

r ortvu
it., ,TDr.tud..

. .
7-47=
I
T...

..

uiR

Att.

UWO

C.,PINY

2196

MUNI

FRAM

DIi.91710
LETTER FOUCIED HQS if/TII TRUE NAM MANIFEST MN 1900 22

axilAti lpss

'END OF 'MESSAGE

DECLASSIFIED

AO

REL
EASED b y
CENTR4L INTELL/GENCE AGENC1
Srii1.7CEgifET11005tXEMP1

Lz
t.

CR 114E501

2005

30Zt
SC

LUSURC AC.

orr.cERI;

::
OFFirth

I W1R

\1E

'SECRET

,R.-6:"2 2j

_I

1Y CliFIEI THAN 51:E ;; :z1 11,1s:(3 OFFicr: is :Ii01;18ITED,

4/5A1

w/r/f

CrneS1

L. C

t.

Chief of Station, Germany (Bonn)INTo: Chief, CoordinatiPn and Support Base, F

Chief. unich Liaison Base .1_

12 March 19ES

Possible Invitation to UTILITY

Lt. Col. Abels, who is very good about keeping us posted

on his activities, said that.he had recently visited 1:!lesbaden.

There he talked to Colonel. Gibbons. He reminded Gibbons of an
earlier Abel's suggestion- that General Disoway might wish to invite UTILITY up to Wiesbaden for a courtesy visit and briefinr;.
Gibbons caid he was still vary much aware of Abels' suggestion
and in favor of it. The crush of other business had prevcnted
him from asking General Disoway from issuing an invitation.
As background Abels said that the previous Air Force commander had invited UTILITY un for a briefing. This was said to
_1 accomndlied UTILITY
have been well received. % . L:
on this visit. General .Disoway has not yet had an opportunity,
to loffer such a briefing to UTILITY. This note is merely to
alert you to the possibilityof one being issued.

. .

7...

;*i

--

.'

"

.r

A g s1417t

A u6ts-14

REL' EASEa gy
4NTELLIBENCE-ASENC)

SOHCESMETH10SEXEMPIATIN.302E

NA2.11M CR IMP] 01 SCLOSURE AC1

, 1A1E 2005

S E

c.

ET

:';

236_2 jaAisop.)
:

W7,7 g6r3I
..

CONTACT REPORT
AKoller and c
Bruecka'.,
c . B March 1965

The meeting was a routine one to straighten out a number of minor

matters and only one topic of importance came up. This was a comment
tKoliermade on UTILITY's personal interest in all matters involving,

Koller mentionedT g
ffErt-c5-70.0-1zdx: his inability to give us
an answer regarding the CATIDE s officers who are to have dinner with
t: _7 in Bonn on 1 April. Koller said that the answer was prepared but
could not be sent to us 'until UTILITY released it. Kollii; went on to
say that UTILITY personally clears every, topic to be raised with"
every CATIDE officer who meets C A', every gift sent to C _7, and
every CATIDE communication which goes to .' C
.1 or mentions his name.
Koller,said UTILITY is not overly sticky about other KUBARKers' contact
with CATIDErs but that he will simply not permit anyone else to make
a decision regarding cl J. The Quickest way for a CATIDEr to get into
(..1e_r_s_s_1.dwould be for him to take some 4.ction involving
trOubla,_.4.1
Awithout clearing it with UTILITY.

Date typed: 15 March 1965

vite
CLAg51P.1

ANP.R CLEAS .
ED ny

CWRAL INT:LLIGENCE
A5ENCY
800RetgWVIOSEXFMPII0h302E

NA/ i Ing tOOtit8

PAE 005

SS1.03t) U A.C1

(.)
CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

TOTAL COPIES

/
41

rlf
0.17,9*
00 .
01.a.41100.

SECRET

REPROOUCT ION PRONIB (TED

PERSON/UNIT NOT
FROM

y o

ADVANCE COPY

ACTION

hob/ -3

IN F

YR. FILE r

Pe

I SIULD

.,

UNIT

ILOTTtO 0

TIME

TU.(0.

31111:65 iti3 4 0,21

SECRET 301427Z

MUNI .INFO DIR DOST CITE NYDO 0532

' CO NGRATULATIONS AND KINDEST REGARDS TO UTILITY ON HIS
BIRTHDAY FROM L.
SECRET

CFN

llitirEttilEExCf.
P.; 3 E

elliqs:oisci.4sukt

:72.;E::2305.

Att

BY

1'

MESSAGE FORM
c/E/q/cE jIribZk p4
gi NO !MX

.5751

31 MAR 65 gl

MUNI CH

$ ECRET

ROUTING

7
8

FILE IN CS HU NO. 201-1935.8

FRANKFURT

GERMANY -

12 DESTROY

I.... 2:i

gLfETURN TO BRANCH

nom, DIRECTOR
INFO

DC-1, 4IDC4

Ff(e ,

two

TOP

MX RI

be II-Db4

C1/01/:'

0
FRAN.

Dilt

GIANY

975 . 4

MEN-111 INDEX
f Fit
1

PLS EXTEND BIRTHDAY GREETINGS AND GOOD WISHE 0 UTILITY

ON HIS BIRTHDAY,

ON BEHALF OF

C;
o

AND

F.ND OF MESSAGE

EELE

iri?AL

CR I KES fl r . S
. CL 03 i1

. 1. -ffiA.TE 2305'.

A.0 1

EST MUM C
..612:a

; 5'

[Mir%

1.4

, 411D72

C/ZE(G
OORD NA 1111:014,
mow t
lac4.4.4 kora vol.04t

RLLAIINS orricefk

1-4";

1389a

'fttV41

fl

R.

4MOIEREPIWW04

AUTRIERTICAT1110
Offleell

fi tiff v0:1474:-. MISZ40.135)

ALASS I FIED MESSAGE

Pi

TOTAL COP ICR

0 Pwi
REPRODUCT ION PROH18 !TED

SECRET

PERSON/UNIT NOTIFIED
7

FROM
UNIT

ADVANCE COPY

ACTION
1

IS $1100

izt-77-

INFO

YR. FILE,

ST

TIME

p,,c

1: 11 ,

1::/h

r 2-

3E 'C R E T 010912Z

,I/tg65105544

DIR INFO GMNY FRAN CITE MUNI 2379

1

FROM r
E2RING A TALK WITH UTILITY AND 'HIM

30

MARCH, RAISED THE

MATTER .OF PRI OR .N TICE AND 'CLEARANCE CF VISIT ORS CF. C! ..TIOE PEOPLE
.
.
1ViSiT IN,G :COY
. SAID THAT WE NEEDED TIME TO C GISIDER4 WHETHER
. -die.
. . ..
.
WE CCULD IE . OF HELP T 0 'CAT IDE TO PREPARE . F CR THE NECESSARY MEET IN GS..Aiiii...'ASSUREitHE PRESENCE CF KEY . PERSONNEL . SUGGESTED THAT
( ISIT

THR.aJG&JT THE YEAR EVENLY SO AS NOT TO

pER-BuRDEN.T.HERELATIVELY SMALL STAFF HANDLING THESE MATTERS.

'

HEIR 'REACT .141:fENT. IRELY P.GGITI .VE .

.
..

UTILITY SAID HE HAD HAD

ELI NG .THAT -T.O0:MANY ., PE CPLE WERE. SLIPPING THRCUGH THE NET AND
lvt,:-

ALTHQJGH HE, HIMSELF, HAD TURNED DCJN A

'
. .
;

THAT,
WITH A SMILE,.
.-

:
JEERaE,IN .:PjltIDE: WANTS TO GO TO THE U.S. BUT THAT,

CF
.

.s .0CUOSE;',!'SUdfi:::Vi. SITS .IMUST SERVE CUR' MuT UAL PURP OSES AND MUST
CLM`.. ADDED . THAT IT IS
,'BEi3ALL'.0.1ED:',T 0.:1ECOME.,:fi: BURDEN.
'
,
.;
THE
T.: JUST ,
.
4 s. BURDEN T 0 US, BUT AL SO TO 'CAT:IBE FR CM
R E;,oN NE(..2.'AND 413t10- CiTARY POINT CF VIEW.

BOTHCPTICERS

GAVE. EVERY

DXCATIc4 THATTHEY INTEND T 0 L OCK INTO THIS MATTER AND MT IT wr<

/CaityrRc4.
/big'
\-)

d-LeL..r

ECLASSIF1C0AN8
LEN

TRAL

WELL 16ENCL

AUENC1
SZRC.E.SHETEIODSEXENPI ION 362E
NAZI WIR CRIMES DISCLOSURE AC?
DATE 1005

ILABLE 3OPTY

Li

[.
1 '

ANtt/r.

"

Araat$11

.4",r7VM

:"q4 rtlf." ",

-

4t.1

Iff*Z.:;',1:44. ., ,-;

uro r

7
ROUTINE R 191")

1620

050465

AN g01
36

PERS.

. .
.R.EFERRING_TO SPRUCH 0115 I WOULD BE THANKFUL FOR FORARDING
.APPRECIATION FOR THE BIRTHDAY GREETINGS -AND GOOD WISHES

.w4dii.,,i::.ti5vON

BEHALF OF

ea. MCCONE,

MR.HELMS,

11.-MR-,:-CRITCHFIELD.

OEC14SS IF I ED-Alin
CEYTP L.
1.711:1.1
16 !ICE

PY

:',.7EKCI
IL421 1
n4 .
104
1? CR T:4003EXEk.PT
I
3 02E
t!.-IE 2305
MES 01 SCLOSURE AC1

z3

Al ms c9A/ iffiril

0.

Pi
E.ALR
Vits E

V.7)

.1's41:1

34fD1

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE .

TOTAL COP IES

t
W'cov
ouwwi
REPRODUCTION PR OHIO !TEO

StCREE
PERSON/UNIT 1101ITIE0
TROIA
ACT IOII

ADVANCE COPY
Isssts ,

DT1111140

INTO
* YR.

ILE

SE CR ET 071406Z
DIR GMNY INFO FRAN CITE MUNI 2429

FOR

TLa

3,-.4.ry4A

.REFM UN I 2379

5iu 4COS

E
AS SUGGESTED

WITH ALIAS

BY

H4i3ON .

1"-

_11

7 APRIL.

ON

31 MARCH,

FOLLOWED UP

REF

SUBJECT

HE SAID UTILITY HAD ALREADY ISSUED

SOME WRITTEN I N STRUCTIONS ON

THE MATTER. AND -HE, HIMSELF, HAD
DISCDSED
:

SITUATION WITH ALIAS .: MDER, HEAD OF THE FOREIGN

LJA:=ISON -5;TAFF.
S YE C A

.E

;74:

"

-MiktEPREIVEXtkPi
jt4 .1021
PA21

tkINES

,it 2305

el

H
SCI,iUr

44Ci

kVA%
.aV.001.;,01:441;41414/.
.
.

nouffic
.:..

CU APR G5

IM 0990. t;

SECRETOG1325Z
fiUNI CITE tlt;NY S461
CATIDE
XPECT
C
. To
..
. . . .
BE t. IN; I BONN . SOr

,..).i.
Itt. :12 APRIL,E
7. .-,..- . , ARRIVAL AND -DEP RTURE TIMES NOT
. .g.,-:
- .1.
. %:114,
CV A CV ttO ra
.A
' ET:. 'NOR:. IS,,VISIT.
S
--ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN.
ViIir
L
-ADVISE
IF

1:6T4F15-1
:y (6+v....
. .
i ./ AA.. / . .
.,...;:lutvhpf 44E4N .. :. B soNiu-xtiou
, THAT' C ._..
.n .UOULD DE GREATLY PLEASED HAVE
, ... ......,...,......_., .
.
.
.
......,,
. ".-. : 7CHAN.CE , 'TO.. 11I ST
.
. .: . . .
AND TALK.Ivirk eilt4 .
-,:.;,..-:... ..,,';,-' , ..,
.-E;;P12:',ET:
.,.113-z).::::*-.*:-'. .
.
Ri6el*i-

INT

ANO. RELEASE:3
E LL

SOinCESN.Erh'OOSEXEkPt!t:';i
-C.f.TE

CR1NES
23 05

31'

if
qrsctusur,, E31f
AC1

Jot 0..

GROU1 :EXCLUDE D FRot-I AUT

OMAT/ C 0 .01,11R.

.6/116.E.3:;:::C/OPS

SO Rt.S

-.1(!tr#.

ADING AND DECLASS IF :CATION

Nr UT C/SE' . 'SEC FIN

LOG REG

L /CE L / P

LANS L /GOMMO L /PO( L / I

NT /Rf:

:..,

;.

is, 1

mc44 '
. A.. 1.,

Li

SECRET

MARRED

NO

Kamm
.

CATIDE'

-MTTLTTY's ThAnkR

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

INDOUNO REQUIRED

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

CAA JUOGE mama

Chief, Munich Liaison Base

FOR MOWN

Chief of Station, Germany

.

,......,
!

ACTION

Chief, EE

. , .:

:.

PROCESSING

CLASSIFICATION

...

Ref.:

,..
.

DIR97574
.

The referenced birthday greetings were sent at once by Telex

.
to UTILITY upon receipt of the Headquarters cable. I have received, in return, a teletype from UTILITY saying that he would
be thankful for forwarding his appreciation for the
, birthday
,.
-.1
1. C . _ .3: ',
greetings'indgood wishes which he got from
and

,. ,. _... .
. . . . .C3

,C

E
.
,..
....,
rimtiOn:
Dist
.
.

..DL

'

1.-2" - Chief, EE
1 - COS/G. (Bonn)
1 - COSiG (Franl
-

:
. .

b--LASSITIr

......;.1'.;
-
I
-:..
.:.,,,.
;;,

-I L

ta A R

I E

v..: ;
. , ..

N r Et i

, ,., _

i,'..';'
31,;;T:-1
3)013
:EV.1.-;ri.1-1
P Z I .
:. 3 a 2 E
'"
C R I NE r
C
0 I

S . CL 0

tj

,i e,,

I!

&

C1

i ['

''

2 0 a 5

.: . . 7'

,;

!,P.;:::.,,S,

..

g;ifk; ....,

"

i
I C,ROSS.REFERENCE TO

'

r?:' '

DISPATCH SYMODL AND HUMBER

.
:l5Y-W,7:".
1
:

.):Mt:..:'

.:::::..-.;:...

'

EGMT-12127
CLASSIFICAH ON

SECRET

'

VB.

'

DATE

..

9 April 1965

'

.:

WI
11

OS

NU

R
-

C....

n-

illiASS IF t ED
ANO

REL EAS . E0 BY
A GEXCI

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE

SECRET
CONTACT REPORT

SOURCESNETNOOSEXEMPTIOh
3 . D2E
NAZI WAR CRIMES DIS
CLOSURE 4C1

GIE 2305

n with UTILITY and @Holm

UTILITY's offiw
1200 hours on 9 April 1965
1: . I seized the opportunity of a prospective visit by C= --a
to Seek a meeting with UTILITY. I passed him our Yellow No. ;2057.
This dealt with his previous remarks to me about Greece. .
2. 'After 'reading the Yellow,'he'said that his information from
Greece was "reliable". He said the forecast, which I mentioned,
was his own; : He did not mean to imiay that the situation was going
to fall apart in Greece. He noted Headquarters admonition about .
false information being sold and commented that he thought he knew
who might be selling ir... Although it was not all that precise, I . .
inferred from his remarks that this specific report of Soviet "views"
(as-he put it this time) on the situation in Greece had not come ,
from a: source in Greece, but elsewhere. He volunteered to give. us .
an appraisal - of the Greek situation if we sought it I said I
i4
thought there was no need for this. ,I merely , wished to get any.
A
.
single reports he might have available if that was what he meant.
- a
He referred again to the Soviet build-up in Cyprus and said he might. A
.differ from some of our people in the threat around the eastern.end ....[;
of the Mediterranean.
..
...-.r
0
. .
. .
...... A
3. I thep passed him a Written reminder of the possible.Visit
of
1 He thought. he might be able to change. his plans to.meet-=4
..:.;,.
two visitors in Munich-on
that day. -However, Holm interrupted to
.
':. t-:
comment, "no, no, better not, those are very important meetings".
,I,then . brought Up . the.matter of the Berlin crisis reporting. (While
:waiting for-UTILITY, I had been called into Holm' .office to,Sit .
.awhile.
had mentioned the reporting situation to Holm,a.S.well.) ..
,i
.
.
.
4 .. UTILITY gave me a perfect opening in that as the conversation' h
..
evolVed, be commented that his organization had just received a com- .!. ., riq
i.-pliment from the . government on their Berlin reporting . This gave
me the ..handy opening' to say that 'I Wish that in the future they would 4 IA,
., :
ome
. . of. their'views . on thia critical:area available to us. This 0
. some
...
:: g
somewhat surpried . UTILITYI: hib eyes' bugged out and he headed for
,.;...: the inter-corn to call faKuch. n.t. .. I - stopped him with a gesture saying
. 4 ....- :j-was'hot objecting, I was just reflecting my own general views on
Hoim chimed in with yes; yes, We have just discussed
the subject
:.
if;:
this. .J-went on, however, to tell UTILITY . that we naturally.:con.sidered oUrselves very . engaged in- the,BRrlin situation, and were
A5V11.-V q.4,-,
naturally interested in their forecasts on the situation. I said
2.
;:.
that Kuehne had-been-very'good about the situation. He had stopped,
...41.4
h
e,told
us,
a'numberVf-low-level
alarmist
reports
from
being
dis-utivo,,
_,
- - -
.o..it-4..,.;.
seminateu.
I did, however, mention that a teletype information
report
tc
Bonn was casually sent to us via pouch. UTILITY reached .
.
-
'for a paper on the Berlin situation and started reading from it. 1t
4 '
3

A V

ii;V.
-

EST kIM ", E COPY

,
"
:

*A.

SECRE T.
2

1
,-u:

:,--;...,__
...,,-; .1: . . ._

.i ,..
11,.
t -
4-

forecast the situation and then backed up the forecast with single
reports bearing on the Berlin crisis. One of them was dated January.
sme others, February: still others, March. I said I thought we had
0).:,
not had any of these. UTILITY said sometimes reports come to him
V.:.
and without the formal participation of the Evaluations staff, are
...):.
Y4 1
sent directly off. to.Oonn (implying that this might have accounted
for us not getting them). 'Holml corrected UTILITY to the effect that
in this crisis the Evaluations staff had worked hand in glove with
the operations Deople from the beginning. I made the point that
1<:,on the
:3 had had a good discussion wit):)Kuehn ci
we (i.e., C7
matter but only after the whole ruddy affair was half over.
Vi

S; 4

..,;.,
A

S. I said I was in no sense coming over to gripe (which was

exactly what I was doing) but merely took advantage of the meeting
to mention our future wishes in the matter. Somewhat softening my
, general attitude, I commented that possibly we had objected to
pre
'previous
Berlin crisis reporting and the result waq
that, in this
4
.case.our faucet was turned off.

:..

- !
if;'i

...f.1
41.o-,..,

,,
6. In any event )
I think that the firm but gentle brace rendered CM
to these gentlemen was worthwhile. I presume from comments made that
- UTILITY, at least, thought the stuff was coming through to our side.
(He said quite casually at the beginning of the conversation, "but
I'm sure our friends are getting all of this material u,.)
4r5!

W
7. As agreed with C. 3 by telephone, I confirmed to UTILITY
and HolmIthat the inter-government conference was off. UTILITY said
- - rtgd
.:that was fine. He added that in writing up the government-to_government agreement, we had often been impatient with the Germans
12
but there were reasons why delays were unavoidable on their side.
.n . the final analysis the agreement worked .well. We should, at
his -time,. also show patience because the_reasons.for.not meeting ,::;:,:. Xy
, 15' -erdi:soun.ISawe4fuly-ndrstOoheuancsftiuaon:

.:,;:,
,

14,c;
. l.g

..trg
. 1...::
34.;
V
...$.:
yA
4'1

Typed: 12 April 1965

,

ilt

SECRET

DISPATC14

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

We would

ap

preciate it if the attached letter from CI

rwarded Under s
eparate cover could be given to
VT ILITy
at your earliest conv
enience. It co
4

fo

ntains g belated birthday

message.

Attachment: u/s/c
Letter - true name pouch
OtCLASSIF

IED ARO RELEASED RY

PTTLLIGENCE tGENC/
linV0t4INE
INOOSEXENPIION
tA
llWAR
CP
382E
INESOISCLOS
URE AC1
2005
UtN

Distribution;
Orig & 1 -.Chied, MLB

TR41. I

Tk

1 - COS, Germany

\
r.j'k

rA

1.- CM, Frankf'ef6-g

.

If

11::). h.

ILD

6 ".

VJVV

OMP1

ftdiftiMmatomM
lengMostud..
dubs:0121W

id
CROSS REFERENCE TO .

DISPATCH SYMBOI, AND NUMBER

"

DATE .

21 April 1965

EdmS-5737 CLASSIFICATION

S
OFFICE

;. 1 - R1 . ''' .
1 ...:..: EE/q/01.
:'.Wq.4.0gi,

E C 1/ . .E.T-

'EE/6/0

Hqs Distribution .,:.,

0 na MMUR
E:

OMG MATING
OFFICER . i I/ T
TYPIST

EXT.

-1--sic

5871

fcamnirsmTING

orna

SYM/30L

DATE

OFFICER'S NAME

.
'

mn

OFFICE SYMBOL

. 22 APF.

53

R ELEASI NG
ormmilsimmium..
.:1::.

L
.:.1

C/EE/d/CE.
fTP

(40)

use PREVIOUS

COITION.

......

737

CONTACT REPORT
[7.*
23 March 1965

andH9BROCKT1

155/OEHLEN, Reinhardt

2 case and UTILTTY's interpretation Of

BROCK commented on ther,
rrlDTIZMK
the affair am a plot by a KUBABK.clique . to getYTerrEi
said he never did find out where . UTILITY got his notion. Certainly not from
4027-Hti: since . Kt6iiiRj -mt very upset about the matter and wanted to try
sharply forbade him
and straighten it Olit in Washington. However,
to do this and Kulatit as so depreated.about it he almost Went back to the
Bundeswehr.

._

BROOK said he siw ymeign-that UTILITY was Changing his attitude toward
KUBARK and that it ia unlikely UTILITY wOul4 change during the remainder of
his tour withCATtbk. A gOod.sigh of this is the fact that UTILITY . has still
not accepted KUBARK's invitation to visit the United States. 7 BROCK said that
although UTILITY does not opealydisplay his_ piaue_tatard_KMARK, the senier .
, people in CATIDE see which way the wind is blowi and . take their cue. from
ID Dr on.
the boss. If senior .
ve much time for the MLB r.taff it is
at least partly due to their belief that it is.not goed. politfcs for them to *
have time .
. .

mury

' I asked iflOt6thad. heard any 'good rumors lately about how soon UTILITY
would be replaced. He saidunfortunately'not,:but*,that . he was relatively
certain it would not be . befOre the fall election. UTILITY's salvation is the
fact thit both of thr rnriition-partiet
would like to naMeLtheLnext chief of
. CATIDE.' An attempt to appoint a new chief would. lead to friction, between
.. thecOalition .:parties, and the parties would prefer to postpone coming' to
4rip&F,WithttliteprOblems.

23 Apri1.65

In context of a .discussion of the IC FLUTTER at CATIDE. toward which @PfikdiD:

de- IPTIIITY at-still in a "positive"' frame of mind j *' indicated that
he '
6 persuade the.right simple to grant him more power to separate
CATIDErsunder a security cloud without fearing repercussions or bad publicity.
07eddeld that there were sone individuals who thought UTILITY would not be.
around after the next election but that he did not feel that way.
"FE-CL ASS/FIE AND
RE LEASED BY
CENTRAL /NTELL 'BENCE

AGENC1
SOUNCESMET HODSEXEMPT
ION 302E
NU, WAR CRIMES D
ISCLOSURE ACI
LATE 2305

BEST AVAILABLE COP

28 April 1965
Dear General Gehlen:
.
On the occasion of my retirement, I wanted to let
you Imow how mists I haves enjoyed the all too fSw occasions
we have met - and to wish you and the Gerrian Intelligence
Service all suecess in the coining years. I hart been very
cOnscious of the links which have grown upover the years
between your service and mine, and have had ample opportunity to realise how Enueh . it .tas -mufti/Sated to the informed
' cooperation of. our two. goviarnments. I hive enjoyed particularly the visits to .Bonn and the opportunity to discuss
with you and the most senior offials of the German Government those matters orvital interest which affect um both.
I only hope that the remainder of your career In

alike is an fruitful and that our work together gratis and

continues to become more *productive.
With very beat Wishes,
Sincerely,
le /
John A. McCone
Genera./ Reinhard Gel lea
..President, Federallaitelligence Service
FriedrichEbertStinolie 1
Bad.Crodeiberig, Germany
Submitted in draft by DDP/C/EE

Typed in final by 0/DCl/*

Orig - Addressee
Ice - 0/DC!
2cc - DDP/C/EE
, Ice -ER
2

:MMW (23Apr65)

DECLASS IF IED AND RELEASED BY

CENTRAL I NTELL !BENCE AGENCY

SOURCES METHODS EXEMPT I ON3B2B
NAZI WAR CR IMES DISCLOSURE ACT
DATE 2001
2005

ACTION

FROCESSiNG

r hief, 1Th rider

(4nricaw.,'
Chief. Coo rdination an . .: f 3lI n
. Chief, : 4 onn O p erations P.,,!sP nor1 2ano!, Frar:7.,art
Chief, % !unich L iasor, riase
ntotion,

fROhl

UTTIITY'

MARKED FOR INOCKINO

NO igoexIND REWIRED
ONLY QUALIFIED OEN(
CAN .DOGE INDEXING

MICROFILM

ACTION mune= t nemeNces

only
onl

. one,, or
in...

Regre:tabl!), thin ronort is prett nenotive:ut 1 if:1; :e it

just to draw the
,
attiflron
c.nrion to the matter. in a recen.:
'
rsation,wit -: L
0
_(:)Fle
ning said thAt there wei
,
some nspecified
ersrns who belinve tha!. UMITY would n dt survi eVe
the ne.7t . erm,an elections. This Is a prett
vague sort of .repori:
!
but it is 71ade by a m,:n who s i ts mighty close to UTILITY and iF,
liable to near what r Jmors arc available. On the ot
.her !-,and,
. .raemins. nimself, sai(.! he did not share this.view.
(? llerli the - .
ATIDE-liaison officcr to KUSARX, o unteered, 3 few
da s 4%go, . tha.t;r
he' had
., ' e !n-liztening 7:3 hard as he could in Bonn (he a:1 up to Boi-q=
Oh 2. April to
f inction at C.
tend
:7s) but h-e. fail :d to get
anr4efinitc word In .::::(:, mic.ht be a candidate to s
ccerd .UTILITY. .:ithiq .: s.essentially necct:Ive hut it shows
:ilat the matter is.l.)eing
, th. 6ight about .and tol.) .1 about.
. .Lt
....--
-rA7/?# '

conve

r.

i,C

b r

at

I-

tVtr
:

'

v l

,1

,
:::1

gizipr,(
t: ,;: ?Az',
1'

;r4k:N

.cf...0

.:-A-

.
4,..115,1Sfr lb tit 5.011
ief, EE
-- .0O3 /G

OECL

'`Z3=

ASSIFICO AN

REL

EASE() HY
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE bGENC1

asfi/cos/c*(r)

1
..,..

Chief. CSR/}.
Bdrin Or:

ae

IC
2E
ll'AIIWU/CRIAE9DISCLUGUREACI
245 .

rc,0

P11
:fir

S.

T.-4.

I..... BEST.

(;)oun
FA-ludo0 from automiitiewn=!r;,(!in:.-. 1d :.!elassific.:lion

,
'ILF

F.

REFERENCE

- -

Qe.;

500

GLADDIFICATICN

Fil>"

9 APP._

i..;;A oot: Ami).;;L;NieCn ts

ot:fx

29 Apri.
Nos

riLE Humeert

).5

k 6 ni Pt- Woo

SECRET

BIOGRAPHIC

SKETCH ON

1q6,C

GENERAL REINHARD GEHLEN

General Reinhard Gehlen is President of the West German Federal Intelligence Service. (B(D).
Born 3 April 1902 in Erfurt, Germany, he finished his
formal schooling in 1920 and entered military service directly, receiving his commission in 1923. Attending the
War Academy in Berlin in 1936, he became a major in 1939,
a brigadier general in 1944.
In charge of Foreign Aries-East in 1943, he came to
believe the German cause on the Eastern front vas
Reprimanded by Hitler for his negative opinions, he vas
ultimately dismissed toward the War's end. After caching
his files in Bavaria, he surrendered to the Americans.
Reforming his unit, General Gehlen operated under 0-2
auspices from 1946 until 1949 when CIA assumed sponsorship.
The Gehlen Organization was legalized as the West German
Service in March 1956.
General Gehlen has expanded his activities to the
point that his organization has been accepted as a worldwide service. Expected to retire within the next two or
three years, he lives quietly with his wife in Berg on the
Starnberg Lake near Munich. He speaks good English.

7_ATail-(2-0(

72(zi-,DEN. $SIFI ED AND

REL EASED BY
,.CENTRAL IN
TELL 18ENCE AGENCY
SECREVOURCESMET
HODS EXEMPT ION3871
NAZIWARCR
IMEBDISCLOSUREACV
DATE 2001 2005

Conrad Ahlers

DER HINTERGRUND DER AFFARE

s war die Nacht, in der die RolmKrise . den entscheidenden Wenclepunkt. nahm, Im Weifien. Haus forint/Herten' Prtisident Kennedy und seine
.Berater - 'eine Botschaft an Nikita
ChtutchtsdioW.'
Ith-niachte Urlaub .im spanischen
.
TorternolinoS.
. ;:In.'dleter: Ng eh t, arn . -27. Oktober '1962;
gegene1i0Jhr fn.der Friihe,' erhielt der .
deiltiCtre-; Militar-Attach in :Madrid,- .
ObeySt Addm Oster, von dem' Kanzler
deeBittsdtaft . Otto Reif, die Mitteilung,
er triligesOfort
. denBundeSverteidigungs.
minister Franz-Josef Strau in Bonn

ruferi..
; 0,barat.f 0Ster fuhr in die Botschaft
StrauB verbinden. Der
Minister and Oberst Befehlshnber der
Bundeswehr ertiffnete ihm, mehrere
SPIEGEL4tedakteure selen . 'wegen des
.Verdachts'..des,Verrats milithrischer .Ge-.
heimbisie4verhaftet. Die Festnahme von ...!:
etWri..zwinf hoheh Offizieren,.'darUnter',.
Genertilen; sel im-Gahge. In der ange-'.
spartntenInternatiOnalen Lege bedeute
diei ..einen schWeren Sehlag ftir die,
Sicherheit' der BUndesreptiblik und der

CO
C.4

GO
.T3C

CI

tflizii .cifeseni Punkt Wurde die Unter..haltungper - Du . .gefiihrt; Strati() und

Oste. r kannten sichaus den Grtinderjahrender. CSU unmittelbar nach
.Kriege: Nun .aber lirtaideStraut3
.lich,uhdAlefl die vertrauliche Form fel-:.1en:1:1eir Oberst Oster! Ich komme-so-.
; .eben VT:an BlindeSkanzier, Unit dies ist eiri
,dieriitddier Befehl -ztigleich im Namen
.des -,:aithdeskenzlers. Augstein ist
'Kutia;tutd .'deshalb karui der General-i:i,
,btuides:snivalt nurdureh Herrn AhlerS
:erfahren; wo das Loch imVerteidigungs-ministerftim ist Es 1st von entscheiden'der . Bedeutung,. daft Ahlers so schnell
..wierno!fglich.festgesetzt Wird. Ste
eten
bekannten Aufenthalt
..voti'Ahlera in - Spanien' den. spanischen
BehOrden'angebeh:Und das Ersuchen der
deutEdienolizei. auf . eine vorluflge
,Festnahitietintersttitzen. Der Haftbefehl
'ist. aii.f:dernInterpolweg unterWegs." s
hieltin .dleser Stunde seine
Zeit'fOrgekommen, Schon zwei Nilchte
vorhethatte er wiihrend eines Empfangs
SchloB BrOhl /inch elgenem
Zustand der tIbermiklung
und allgemeiner phYsiScher Uberlastung",
nach Aussagen von Augenzeugen unter
starkem 'AlkoholeinfluB eine Aktion
gegen den SPIEGEL angelciindigt.
Die Kuba-Krise war far Strauf3
Chance und Vorwand zugleich, eine
VerschwOrUng auszuheben, die cur in
seinerVorstellung bestand tind sich cur
aus einem krankhaften Verfolgungswahn erkliiren 1613t.
Alle .Teufel dieser Welt sah FranzJosef Strauf3 gegen rich und seine Mill. tfirpolitik im Bund: Kommunisten, clenen
er, die Ausradierung angedroht hal te,
Arnerikaner, denen er vertibelte, clat3
sieihm keine Atomwaffen in die Hand
gebery wollten", Bundeswehr-Offiziere.
die. ihm widersprachen und von denen
or annahm, dral sic Informationen nach
auBen dringen lieBen, sowle SPIEGELReciakteure, die ihn kritisierten.
Diese abenteuerllehe Zwangsvorstellung des deutschen Verteidigungsmini4

.4z(

L1.1

1.

.,

sters bildet den Hinlergruncl der SPIF.GEL-Affiire. Und vor diesein Hinter-
grund allcin 'wird das Unverstiinclliche
verstlindlich: Die Besetzung des SPIE,
GEL, die Fast-Festnahme des deutschen
Geheimdienst-Generals Gehlen durch
Adenauer und schlieBlich - der mir in
der Untersuchungshaft eriiffnete Verclacht: AuBer Landesverrat sei auch
Hochverrat, also eM Arisehlag auf die
verfassungsmiiBige Ordnung der Bundesrepublik, Mi.iglich. 1 . . .
. Bel Bundesanwaltschaft und Burideskanzler war die Saat einer aberwitzi;gen Verschwdrungs-Theorie aufgegan.gen, die aus dem .Bundesverterchgungs-
ministerium stammte.
.
Die Bundesanwaltschaft Selbst kann
und will In Lundesverratsverfahren

BND-Chef Gehlen'
Vernehmung im Nebenzimmer
nicht beurteilen, ob Staatsgeheimnisse"
bertihrt sind. Sic ist von dem Volum
sogenannter Sachverstiindiger abhiingig. .
Im SPIEGEL-Fall wurde dieses jetzt
'durch den BeschluB des Bunc1esgerichtshofs total diskreditierte Votum dutch
Oberregicrungsrat Wunder aus . dcm
StrauB-Ministerium zusammen mit dem
Obersten i.G. von Hopffgarten und an(toren Offizieren als Schnellgutachten"
(Generalbundesanwalt Martin) abgegcben.
Es trbgt im Kopf die 'Aufschrifl des
Ministeriums und ist .,im Auftrag"
tinterschrieben im Aufirag des Mnisters, dein acht Tage tech Erselicincn
des Foertsch-Titcls, run 16.0ktober 1962,
unmittelbar nadi der R(ickkehr
einem Urlaub, Vortrag Ober den Sachverhall uncl die Gutachten'erstattung gebatten wordcn war.
13ereits zwei Tagc nach dcm Vortrng
bet StrauB war des auf den militiir-politischen Vorstellungen des Ministers be SPIEGEL-Tile! 39/1954.
Straull narb elnem Besuch Im Pentagon
1962 zu einem deutsehen Diploma/en: Wenn
die mlr keine Atomwaften Oberlassen, dann
becorge lett sic
bet den FranzOsen."

ruhende Gutachten zu Papier gebi:aeht.

Es wurde am 19. Oktober der Bundesanwaltschaft in Karlsruhe iibergeben.
Darin wurde ohne genauc Prilfung:von
VorverOffentlichungen ..-behauptet,:-.:der
SPIEGEL-Artikel ,Bedingt abwehrbereit". enthalte 37 zum Tell OuBerst.withtige militiirische Geheimnisse.

Begriindet
wurden diese Behaurangen' rheiSt nut so simple Weise \VIC ;,Die
Sidle sia .-MiBtrauen iin weitlidien
Etiindnis", oder:Sie eitiffnet.dern Caen
groBe PropaganciamOglichkeiten gegen
die Bundesrepublik", cider: _Der' Gegner
kann sich Mtiglichkeiten' ..begrehrter
Aktionen ausrechnen"...
Dan die Bundeianwiilte diesei Gutaehten ilberhatipt denst nehmen, thilt hur
den Sehluf3 zu, dal) sic ditmals 'b'ereits.
gcnatt .wle I3Undeskunzler Konrad
.Adenauer, die Komplott-Vorstelltingen.
des. Verteidigungsministers akiptiert
hatten: Anders sind - auch die phantasti'schen Hinweise von StrauB an:Oster,
mehrere Generale wiirden verhaftetund
Rudolf Augstein hallo sich in Kuba.auf,
nleht zu cleuten. StrauB kann seine yersion nur durch einem Telephon-Abhtir.
bericht erhallen haben.
Am 25.- Oktober hatte ich aus Spanien
mit Claus Jacobi telephoniert und. gefragt, ob ich wegen der Kuba-Krise
Kotler packen miisse. Gemeint.viarn* ob
es notwendig set, nachHamburg ruirUd g
-zukomen,radBeichtrSaung
raitzuwirken. Jacobi hatte-geantwortei:
ist
nicht
nOtig.
RUclolf
hat
schon
Dr..s .
etwas*gemacht" Gemeint war der .Artikel, den Rudolf Augstein . zuen . ItubaKonflikt geschrieben halte (SPIEGEL
44/1962).
Schon gleith nach Eeginn der Nachr..
und-Nebel-Aktion zeigtc sich, da13 Von
irgendeiner. Verbinclung zwischen dem
SPIEGEL und dem Osten keine: Rede
scin konnte. Daraufhin ,:erlagerte, Etch
der Verdacht von Moskau !inch .Mtinchen, von den Kommunisten atilt - den
Bundesriachrichtendienst Durch* scheinbar liickenlose Indizien wurrie es,fOr
die Bonner und, Karlsruher Kriminalisten fast zur Gewif3heit: Der Bundesnachriehtendienst wollte Straufl sttlezen.
Die in den beschlagnahmten Papieren
wijhlenden Bundesanwlitte und Beamte
der Sichertingsgruppe des Bundeskriminalamtes tandem Unterlagen dartiber,
drill seit den Arbeitcn an der GehlenTitelgeschichte des SPIEGEL im Jahre
1954 ein loser perstinlicher Kontakt zwischen Gehlen und Hans DetleV B'ecker
bcsland. Sic fanden Aufzeidmungen
Ober em n Gespriich Seekers mit dem
III9D-Obersl Adolf Wicht, in dem von
ErtnitIlungen wcgen des Foertsdi-Artlkcls die node war. Ste fanden such eine
[on inir liquidierte Taxiquittung Ober
(iinc Fahrt von Miinchen nach Pulled),
wo such das Hauptquartier deg BND
befindet, we ich allerdings nicht den in
seinem Dienst als Doktor" bckannten
General Gchlen; sondem den SPIEGELAutor Erich Kuby aufgesucht hatte, der
nur wenige Schritte vum END entfernt
im liaise Burgweg 2 wohnte.
Nachdem die Untersuchungsargane
noch erfahren hatten, daf3 ich dam END
Ober E'ecker und den Oberst Widit 13
Fragen zum Foertsch-Artikel (Fragen

zur Geheimhaltung und zur Sache) vorgelegt ,hatte; dlese atich beantwortet
worden waren und da3 der Abwehrchef
des VerteidigungSministeriums, General
: Wessel, em n .Vertrauter Gehlens, von
einer,,:. Aktion gegen den SPIEGEL' . ab- .:4eraten hatte, schlen die Beweiskette
. geichlossen. Es wurde beschlossen, ge-
.:genYclen BN15 vorzugehen. Am 2. November wurden Becker und Wicht verhaftet

Doth damit nicht genug. Am 12...NoAr

:;etnber
wollte- Konrad Adenauer nun .
.4?, aUchGeneral Gehlen-selbst festnehmen
.
-;IStammberger, heute SPD-Bundes- geordneter, damals FDP-Politilter
undesjustizminister, war gerade
rlsruhe, wo- er. mit. der .Bundes-.
schaft Ober die SPIEGELAktion
ihn em n Anruf aus dem Mutzleramt erreichte, er
r'die SPIEGEL-Affiire' zustAndi-
undesanwalt Kuhn sofort ZUfl
skaniler kommen..
mberger .und Kuhn bestiegen
ug nach Bonn iind begaben Bich
ahnhof sofort ins .Kanzlerarnt,
on zwel Beamte des Bundesinisteriums warteten.
ad Adenauer ernpfing sie mit den
Herr Stanimberger, Sie milsHerrn Gehlen verhaften. Er
ch in einem Nebenzimmer.,auf
dort greifbar."
berger erwiderte: Herr Bunzler, so einfach ist das nicht.
bentitige ich elnen Haftbefehl.
soil ich denn Herrn Gehlen test-'
auer: General Gehlen hat .die
eitungsmailnahmen gegen ';fclen
L dem Oberst Wicht mitgeteilt.
r hat sie dem SPIEGELVerf Stammberger: Herr , BundesWenn wir keine . harten' Beaben; stellt uns : kein Bundeseinen'Haftbefehl aui.
gert wandte sichAdenauer nun
Bundesanwalt Kuhn: Was sa'dazu?"
.
KU1, em n enger, aber rechtschaffener
antwortete: ,,Herr .Bundeskanz' :07ef$Pr Herr Justizminister hat gesagt,
nur gesagt werden kann."
"
.
auer . resignierte: Id, bin auch
; Staatsanwalt gewesen. FrOber
aber ganz anders."
vereinbarte." daf3 BunclesanWalt
en General : Gehlen im Nebenkurz vernehinen Solle. :Dabei
chheraus i daft Gehlen. am Tag
aufen den SPIEGEL-Aktion ilm
gungaininisterlum von -.Strauf3
ehtet worden war und da0
.seiner . RUckkehr . nath piillach
'setrierselts . zwel Angehtirige seines.. Dlen..,stesinterrichlet hatte. Er konntel:each,,;Weisell, dal3 er nicht.den Oberst'Wicht
,otietgar den SPIEGEL verstancligt
'illittel., J(uhn war zufrieden, und General
- '0ehlen konnte alS" freler Mann des.
.Bundeskanzleramt verlassen. .
.".....
','. Der Versuch des Kanzlers, seinen
:eigehen . Gehelmdienstchef zu verhaf. iten;war -mil3gItickt. Und doch erscheint
dleser Vorgang wie kein anderer als
Menetekel (Or des Ende des Adenatier-
Regimes, Milltrauen, Putsch-GesPinste
und Verdachtigungen in der hOchsten
Staatsspitze und zwischen den hiichsten
Geheimnistrligern eine fast kremlhafte Vorstellungswelt kaflcaesken Zuschnitls.

Die Annahme elner intimen

inenarbeit der SPIEGEL-Redaktion mit
deutschen und ausliindischen Geheim. dieristen , hatte inzwischen auch noch
andere merkvdirdige Folgen gehabt.
- Obschon der- Verdacht gegen den
'Bundesnachriditendienst schlieBlich zerbrikkeite, hielten Ermittler und Ankliiger an der Meinung test, as handelc sich
urn eine Konspiration gegen Stant und
Strauf3.
Nach dem Bonner Generalstab uncl,,:
., dem Bundesnachrichtendienst kern als
nachster der britische Geheimdienst In:den Verdacht, an dieser Konspiration ',. beteiligt gewesen zu sein. Die EnglOnder
-gerieten in die SchuOlinie, well Bundes-icansler Adenauer zugetragen worden
War, die Frau des bald darauf verstor. benen Freundes von Rudolf Augstein
:und stellVertretenden FDP-Fraktions-,
i:vorsitzenden im Bundestag., Wolfgang;
sei Agentin des Secret Service.
In Wirklidikeit war Frati DOring
lediglich elnmal .sechs -Monate lang
.aekrettirin bei Randolph Churchill, dem
'Sohn Winston Churchills, gewesen.
,Aber die VerschwOrungsTheorie ging.;
Ifictit unter. Nachdem slob herausgestellt
hatte, dal) Motikau und Pullach, Secret
Service und FDP mit der Redaktionsarbeit des SPIEGEL-nichts zu tun hat-'
tan,- mutite die SPD herhalten. Nun..
sie verdlichtigt, . Mlle des'
SPIEGEL einen staatsstreichiihnlichen
Aziachlag eta Strauil geplant zu haben.
Wieder wurden Indizien- gebraucht, gesUcht und .gefunden.
So stieflen die Durchsucher out emn
irotokoll des Verteidigurigsausschusses
: rtes. Bundestages, das von dem SPDltmdestagsabgeordneten Jahn stammte:
'Xidierdem wurde eine private- Korretndenz zwischen SPIEGEL-Redakteur
melz und dem. frOheren Mllitfir*rater der . SPD-Bundestagsfraktion;
Oberst I. G. Dr. Fritz Beermann, be.,adilagnahmt. Beermann, der damals in
vashington Dienst tat, wurde nach
abnrii zur Vernehmung zitiert, wobei sich
tne TJnschuld envies; er ist jetzt Ge-
tril
, %-iUm so begliidcter war die Bundes.
twaltschaft, als sie nach einigen
dahinterkam, dal)der Hamburger
'Innensenator Schniidt, heute
.
didat der . SPD fOr das Amt des

desverteldigungsministers, den Ent. 'avittrtdes Foertsch-Artikels vor der Verfentlichung gesehen hatte.
hatte ihm des Manuskript gezeigt,.
::,fnoch - einige sachliche Probleme
rehnisprechen,..da Schmidt in seinem
ticht Verteldigung oderVergeltung" die
;Isher einzige grtiridliche militiirpolitiache : Analyse des Atomzeltalters In
deutscher Sprache Vorgelegt hat. Senator Schmidt hatte an einzelnen Stollen
Sicherheitsbedenken,. die in die Frage:1We an den Bundesnachrlehtendienst
abfgenommen wurden.
- Die Durchsuchungen und Vernehmungen: erbrachten keinen wie ouch immer
gearteten Beweis fOr die von Adenauer
und Straul3 befOrchtete Putsch-Vcrschwtirung. Sic 'erbrachten sta g dcssen.
.da0 die out den Vorrang otomarer
Written abzielende Milittirpolitik des
frilheren .Verteicligungsministers in den
Fiihrungsstaben der I3uncieswehr, vie
ouch clic AnIclageschrift der I3unciesanwaltschaft im SPIEGEL-Verfahren
betont, leidenschaftlich umktimpft war.
Und dos und niehts anderes war der
Attsgangspunkt des Artikets ..Bedingt
abwehrbereit gewesen.

Di .gentliche Titigkeit des Nachrichtendicnstes besteht aus zwci.ganz ycrschiedencn Kasen.

The eine, die Deschaffigng, spielt sich in der zwielichtigen Sphirc 'do Simone, Agenten und
ab; die andcrc, die Auswertung, glcicht cher
cincm Institut mit qUalifiziertert Pachlcuren auf
politischcm, militinschens und wirtsdial,lichcm
Gebicr. Dort wird mit wissenschaftlicher Akribic
gesammelr, mit clektronischen Geraten gcrcchnet,
"die einschlSgige Literatur studicrt und vcrsucht,
ein Bild des Rfistungsstandei, der wirtschaftlichcn
Kapazititcn, der miliarischen Vorbcrcitungcn
und innopolitischcn Spanriungen in anderen
dern zu gewinncn. Der BND. bochiiftigt denn
auch Ctwa 500 Akadcmikcr imd utigcfHhr clsenso
vide Offizierc. Nicht nur Seine Aufgabc,auch
scin Zuschnitt weicht von den beiden andcren
Geheimdiensten in der Bundorepublik schr ab.
Der allgemcide Schrei . nadt Verschmclzung des
Bundesnathrichtendienstes, dcmMilitiristhcn Abwchrdicnst (MAD),der die Bundcswchr vor.Spionage und Landesvcrraeichiitzed und Geheimnisyarn vcrhindern soli, und mit dem . Bundesamt
fiir Verfassungsichutz, das die verfassungstnagige
.Ordnung des Staato schiitzen soil, ist zwar im
crsten Moment eitileuchrend, aber bci
Nachdenken. wohl cioch nicht its. rechtfcrtigcn. Zu
verschiedcn sind die .Aufgaben der .drei Dienstc,
und zu gro g ware die MaCht dcssen, dcr die drci
.in seiner Hand vereinigte.
Und vor Madstkonzentrationen sollte man

sidi gerade in der Demokratie schiirzen.

'

0
3. May 1965

Dear General Gehlen:

Heinz immediately passed to .me the sense

of your warm message of congratulations. You know
that I deeply appreciated hearing from you so
promptly: It literally seems to me that you and T
have, been fighting the common war together almost
sinoe'I . Can.remember, and there is no associate.
in this struggle whose intelligence, devotion, and
integrity I admire more than yours. I am looking
forward to the continuance of this excellent relationship as I take on my new duties.
Sincerely yours,

(sir:) zar2opit

Richard Helms

LECI ASS IF

Ell AN

O .RCL.tASED

BY

SOilnEshE uTELLIGEPICE AS1

EN C
11005EXE
CR
10110N3.ii2E
IMES DI
flAJE
SCLOSUPE AC1
2005

" ----

illi

TO

I CH

--

sEcurr

paocEssiko ACTION.'

'

,
RAM DU IKDOEUM

Chief, Munich Liaison Base

MO

INFO.

Chief of Station, Germany

MUM REQUIRED

ONLY QUALIFIED OW
CAR

ma

11100:960

FROM

Chief, RE

MICROFIUI

Letters from .

EL.

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

Werkare forwarding under separate cover letters from L.

....
:Vend C.:
for UTIL/TY. It would be appreciated it Chief, MLR would pass these letters to UTILITY at
his convenience'.

Attachment: a/s, use, true name pouch

Letters (2)

Distribution:
Orig. & 1 - MLR.

Al
,,....,.:tTA

2 - COS

LASSIFI

AN D

ED

;H

ULL IGENCE .tf'.:1E1

f.N.ICESIIETNOOSEXEMP1 /VI
h2 I WAR CR INES 01 S
LAIE

2305

3U2t

CL

OSI/1/1 4C1

Zzeket; :r+
4P

om

oisftmisymeotoommtio

CROSS REFERENCE M

RGM5.-5795

SWEI

'

1 - ER/OA82,:
2 - EE/q/CEj

. ....

......

4 May 1985

Ho nu MAMA

ORIGINATING

.
, EEM/M;

COMM

OFFICE

Hq.Distribution
,

ref

.
_axmoiroltM57/7

OF GUM KAME

WM

OFFICE SYMBOL

5871'

''.

FI

MODEST
ABST AtT

1 )11.1)'

'

.
W yCE WAIIM

.6"--

DC/E2/6

;?;"

'
il

RELEASING

OFfICEF"..","ar-/-

04.11

00

53 SS1..1PAUVIOUS tOI TION.

I

. '
-

'....2":-. -

-1

DTSP lt-tH

6 (Y1- T

T5

L2.55/uTILITY
_

10 May

'7 /I th -o

EL

1965

This brought up the question of what Might happen to CATIDP. as a wholE' if

there were a change in Government.kOLLER was certain that no matter What
happened UTILITY's. days were numbered. He said that the position oi
CATIDE, was . a . poiitical one and no Chancellor would fail to fill it with a man
of his own political persuasion: In fact, he said that even if the CDU . were to .
come out on top and Erhard should again be Chancellor he might decide to make a.
. change although possibly not until ' a bit later (UTILITY will he 65, the normal
time for retirement in April 1967). (Comment: This brings to mind some thoughts.
While civil servants in Germany normally retire at 65, military personnel retire
earlier. Generals at 60, Colonels.58, Lt. Col: 56, Majors at 54 and Captains
at 52. Many CATIDERS who are officers on permanent assignment to CATIDE are very
close to those retirement Ages, some already above , themo'being kept on at the
'pleasure and insistence of UTILITY: If a new man came in he might have an
opportunity to absolutely hOuseclean tAtip- by simply enforcing the rules as
written. . He could toss out a large number of senior officers and staff the
organization out with his own Pretorian Guard..)
---

15 5/6e hien , .itein hard

lirpOk' and C ..

Nay 196S

if 'he: bait-heard any more on UTILITY.' ftatiire- , t: I ((liked

. end who hit sinoWeesOr woul.d
Es, said. no . Be. added -that he. did not .
'Gerhard .0 .-'.higitoiel L
or ditislig:VOcild
a good ci;i:af of :-C,ATT c' Both . are too cowseittevi . .,-LO :.:17TiiiTt arid .7wOO2.d .
.
tinliXely:l . tO.::.Change. the etitna . qua or carrr.-...throsig*.:thas:parge',and , ,tiOuseclwaininC1:y*t,JCATIDE: needs.
Brock eddeid that UTI
id certainly
g."
-end aid
ask

:7a
---713111:;r1r---"ows
-7.4:trep. hts
quietly
Sternberg.
'be

. ....... . ..

-E,SSIFI EC Aka. RELEI,SEE1.:

EEKTeAL. I:sjELLIGI_UCE
SOaRCESN.ETHOSEXEKPI

ly

NAZI W1R CRIMES Cl SCLinURE AC1

L'..TE 2305

CONTACT REPORT

--

and UTILITY
11 May . 1965, 1600 hours
CATIDE office of UTILTTY
1

1. After a few introductory p leasantries .I worked into the matter

of the early warning question nosed b y the Ch1.1f of Station in connection
group in Germany (DIR 04698
with the arrival of the 4":
of 26 April 1965). UTILITY's -coMments on this subject were covered in
an Intra-Station Memorandum to the Chief of Station, dated 12 May.
2. UTILITY then brought up the matte'r of a visit by General SEIBERT
to see his. son-in-law in Mannheim. This was covered in a cable to FRAN
numbered MUNI 2711 of 12 May 1965.
*3. I brought up the fact that the Chief of Station would be in
Munich on the 19th and 20th. UTILITY said he would be in Bonn on the
20th and 21st and hoped to get in touch with the Chief of.' Station at .
that time.
4.
UTILITY mentioned that a contact between his brother who is
CATIDEYs Rome,renresentative, as UTILITY explained it, and what appeared
to be L--3 This is being covered in a dispatch

to Headquarters,

et al.

5. He thanked me for the memo on the affairs in the Caribbean

which we . sent to him the day before.
6. The tour d'horizon did not really turn out to be much. We
touched the Caribbean and then Vietnam and then the matter of the Near
East. What he had to say was essentially what we had covered a couple
of weeks earlier. I found actually nothing new to report. I asked
him about Turkey and his views there were also similar to what he had
before.
commented that there was nothing new so far as he knew.
He

7. With respect to DeGaulle and France he commented that no

matter what DeGaulle was--and he added that DeGaulle was not eternal__
in any event he was always true to his allies. He said DeGaulle was
true no matter nwhat shenanigans he conjured up:
8. He also expressed the view that DeGaulle would obviously like
to get out of a NATO arrangement but that he would never get out of
Atlantic arrangement. At any rate those were- UTILITY's views on the
subject. '
'

an

RELE,\Sd
ti'ARAL !NULL!
SOn,CESIVETNICSE X E +n:P i

. 1;

I WI.R CR lmES

2JJ5

/621-(1
''

.:;
2
9. As most of the time with him (nearly an hour) had been spent
upon his early warning comments I thought it was about time to close
off the meeting. He apparently did too. We closed Son an exchange of
comments about sailing. He said his boat was not down into the water
yet and I'again commented that I would be taking a sailing course very
shortly if mylluck held out.

10. The meeting in my view . was characterized not so much by any

substance but by an atmosphere of ease and friendliness on an informal
basis rather than any formal exchange of comments. It was more friend
to friend than it had seemed to be to me ever- before.
:72

P.S. In connection with his regrets that he could not attend the
concert by Virginia Pleasants, UTILITY said that he was having
a very important ambassador's reception athhis house, namely,
the German ambassador to Rome, that evening and he just could
not avoid this visit. Please note above, of course, that his
brother is their man in Rome:

.14.ive:El7rirOT?itIrrp7rioyst

SSIFY,10 41I.Et40.C..

X RET TO HIE NO.

7.0kits,"::1.74T:a.fOlmr::";

. .

yrs

TOTAL COP ICI

CUSS I Fl ED MESSAGE

PILE RID El RET. TO aRilt,

eV-

; El sic.

10110 41' I
IMAM PIM lOnameat
*MT.... onii

DESTROi

-1 SECRET

.14

ova.41

0 COPY

REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED

MON/UNIT NOTIfICO
*MONOONOMMI

W ,f.//

#1

UNIT.

FILL

SEOR ET .126940Z

FRAM INFO. D IR ONNY:

1211g65m6499.9

;-CATIDV:
.1. uriLITY . SAID ON 11 MAY THAT

HE HAD HEARD- THAT. GENERAL

SEIBERT, THE G-2 WITH WHOM HE HAD DEALT IN THE VERY EARLY DAYS
M .A,BOUT.
..CF CATIDE, WOULD . BE VISITING HIS SON- IM -LAW . -IN MANHEI

to MAY
'2. THROUGH iss UTILITY hi OULD LIKE TO INANITE THE GENERAL; WHOM

.14

AND SPONSOR -9. TO VISIT

IT. IL ITY 'REGARDS AS AM OLD PER SONAL TR iFND

, CATIDE TO- SEE ... YEAR S L ATER --HOW IT ALL TURNED OUT, UTIL XTY SAID

.
. i. ICK UPGENERALY
W06. LD BE DELIGHTED TO SEND A CAR TO MANNHEIM T.D ;

SE IBERT9 AND ARR ANGE ..-W HATEVER.

sl
?

GENERAL BEST.

.
LIA
ISON
OFF ICER
:
.
3; AS COURTESY WILL INFORM MAJOR CLARK ARMY .

..

Cr INVITATION, AND THAT WE WILL BE HANDL4i4r-F

toR ET
DE CLASSIF I E 0 AU0

CENTRAL I NTELL IGEN CE

C

51q E . JFjai3
EX E. P i

..m.Azi-,14 \?,.lmt
ci
;
07

IlATE 20/

1..4

CY

0:32, 2 E.

s:fi: i s. .dt,.6. 3ukt.'A

CI

er
1389

01101111

views

(0100my

C-4;P;rc,
"

01-1.'41if.VA
.

14:11jAP

031

orrzr=s....=.77

CLASSIFICATION
%.7.:D

`..'.

'

I,

PROCESSING ACTION

SECRET

..

MARKED FOR !HOMING

TO

XX

Chief; EE
"chief' of : Station, r,ermany; (A-11er or Station,
.= Chief, Bonn Ops Base; C/CSB/Frankfurt

.,

ONLYIDUALWMODESK
CAN JUDGE INDEXING

Mief, Munich Liaison Base

iS tigri

DE

UTILITY Schedule and Visits

MICROFILM

P
ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCE

ACTION REQUESTED:

NO INDEXING REQUIRED,

For information only.

"1- on 10 May that UTILITY would

1.
@Koller told ./..This meant not
not be available during June, July and August 1965.
.
only a long summer leave but also "a foreign trip" Koller : said.
. -., 2. : It had seemed a possibility that UTILITY might bring this up
,
With . M'e during our meeting on 11 May but he did not do so and a
situation - in which I could quiz him on the subject did not arise.
..',,E
n f e e 11 s that based on comments @Brock

. made, UTILITY might be

....Making his foreign trip to London.
.
'. ,..1.
3.
If we hear anything furtb..,- , nn this We witify)liiterested
.1parties.
"
'
LT

Distribution :
- EE
1 - COS /G/B
". 1* 7 COS/G/F .
- COS
'..l.' - Bonn

1 - CSB/F

. GROUP

D' ECI. ASS IF I E

. 0
CIRAL

r.,1116t1

0 .p. s .

tqlhitti

E 1005

RELEASED.PY

IG I ENC'E

AGE

Sr./tIRCtSMETHOOSEX00.111IN 3UNLI

___=,,

blVUOIME

'

'

AC1

Excluded from automatic downgrading and declassification .-

1 -

...

P.4
i
...

Ann

Inita

11
.

..--,

klig

tS GOPT

r-

_.

1..._.
.

CROSS REFERENCE TO

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGMA-66195
CLASSIFICATION

DATE

11'

13 May. 1965
FK/S FILE NUMBER

SECRET

_
(Y)

(; 1
4)

SECRET

DECLASSIFIED ANP RELEAM

CENTRAL INTELLI.GENC

PY

SOURCESHE1NOPSEXEMP11hME
NAZ I WU

Ck IHE QjSCIALiiifie
AIE 2 305

14 May 1965

INFO: FRAN C

GMNY

MUNI

Air Force Invitation to UTILITY

1. Lt. Colonel Abels has kindly informed me of the proposed plan
to have UTILITY invited to Wiesbaden for a briefing by General Dissosway
and his staff. This will be arranged through General Gibbon. The
Chief of Station will be informed; of course, on a more formal basis
than this memorandum. This is simply advanced warning.
2. The dates are yet to be set but General Gibbon and his officers
are thinking in terms of the first week in June, or in mid-July, or
at some later date.
4
3. The invitation will be extended to UTILITY plus one officer;
Lt. Colonel Abels and myself. Lt. Colonel Abels did not indicate in
the first instance that they were planning to invite the Chief of
Station but I am sure that there would be no problem if you thought it
-would be useful to be there.
4. The proposed briefing would cover:
a, the U.S. Air Force in Europe and its capabilities
b.
c.
d.

the threat assessment--an intelligence briefing

a ECIC briefing and
a computer demonstration of some sort showing how the Air
Force uses computers in intelligence work in Europe.

5. I will keep you informed as I get further information.

r

P.S. The invitation to UTILITY will be extended through me. The Air
Force intends to send a plane down for the visiting group to take_
the participants to Wiesbaden

/Distribution:
2 - COS/G/8
2 - CSB/F
SECRET
k2-3

DISPATCH

SECRET

(ROM

Chief

SUBJECT

L--

._

-Wins

ACTION REQUIRED -

MARKED FOR INDEXING

Chief, EE
COS, Germany
Chiefi Munich Liaison Base

INFO.

PROCESSING ACTION

CUUSIFICATION

Chief. DO

C._.

NO INDEXING REQUIRED
ONLY QUALIFIED DESK
CAN JUDGE INDEXING

,/

MICROFILM

Meeting of CI_

--.....:=

with

mu DESSAU (Alias)

REFERENCES

ACTION:

For Your Information

t.
..........,,,
,..-- 1:11Pf
...........::
(1(T
.-

Vi.=k4-.
1. Fnu DESSAU:(alias) was in New York the evening of 29 May, prior
to picking up his wife at Kennedy Airport next day. She was returning
from London. DSSAQ had called from Washington earlier in the week,
and we had made 's date for drinks at our apartment and dinner afterward.
(:

2. He had, as usual, a good deal to say; and, as usual, little of

it was notably interesting. But that little was intere;ting, indeed..
Speaking of the difficulties caused the so-called German Gaullists by
DE GAULLE's own position on Germany, and particularly by GROMYKO's
statements following his most recent meeting with DEGAULLE, DESSAU.,
said that this latter meeting had been too much, even for UTILITY, and
that as a consequence UTILITY had backed off from the.Gaullist views_
he had held heretofore. Later in the evening, 'identity's name came up,
and DESSAp , said the incident involving Identity had been the decisive,
factor In pushing UTILITY into the Gaullist camp. He added that
FnU.MOELLER . (alias) had clashed with UTILITY on Gaullism in MOELLER's
being no Gaialist, as is true of most of the Frenchmen with whom he
had formerly been doing business. Identity is Gaullist through and
through. -DESSAU said that he, too, had collided with UTILITY on this
issue.

--

3. For the rest, tESSA4-reported UTILITY firmly supporting

American actions in the Dominican Republic, and asked what ERHARDT
could do to help, both in the Dominican Republic and in South Vietnam.
He conceded that the visit is strictly an election gambit, with the
Chancellor somewhat at a loss about what to say to the President or
Attachment:

Identity

USC

Distribution
2 - C, EE
w/a
-42 -,Q,_MLinich . Liaison
w/a
...-..
2 - COS, Germany
/-a. ,.

2 - r__

2 - C, DO

.....0

w/a

..- ---

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

CROSS REFERENCE TO

XNDA 1164
CLASSIFICATION

DATE

_-1

...

3 June 1965
HOS FILE NUMBER
-

SECRET

:200-120-

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED RY

CENTRAL

NTELL 16 ENCE ACIENC1

SOUNCESMETH0OSEXE101 ION 302E

Id AZ I WAR CR INES
DI 9CLO5URE AC1.
DATE 2005

tu\tp-116ti

ti.s.A.owea to choose 'his own departure

date.
still depends, as UTILITY has often said, upon the choice
of
a saThis
tisfactory successor. DESSWremarked, however . , that an
unsatisfactory Chancellor (presumably
BRANDT) . might advance the date

5. .DES g

AU,is sublimely happy in W

there until compulsory retirement forcesashington,
him out. and hopes to stay

"

A-13-Lf

L1

pcn,3 ,Sttgrk

p4*

FA,
2.

ae-e

re,

,e2-tx

.624aze

P I
--/.

Zeze.da

r
ec.44,.,tz-r',az...fie.4

-4.4
/4

A/e,

Ce/

j.

Lace

C.4)2:0,1,40 eve4., GiAGGC

zecLR A.ed

.A._.1,4/
ce."4..5.40
Fa(

t....

4 .ederx-ef
ad-Sallt-/

.401.-ec

.a 4,44) -

G.+4'4

-6/e / .1.1e4 cj

f.

7FLOC USING ACTION

LIk.SWar.P.1:oU

If Fzx

s ECRET

.11

!A.Vt.'"J) FCr.. IHOZKOZ

ITO

Chief, EE

1 xa

i wpm.

COS/Germany; Chief,

PRO:4

:CO li11:0FL.ntlilPZD
Ot11.1( QUALIFIED OM
CAN ..VDM name

CS/Frankfurt

'Chief, Munich :Liaison

mmx=r
LeATID4Llai'-an Transmittal of(OpUNIT)P.Ionthly Report
ACTioit 1:MuNtal

IVTE1:1:34=

For Your Information

Transmitted under sepamte cover is :ti:ODUNIT . Liaison
Officer's Report for the month o

?Ay

19650

--

APPROVED:

-7-s

C.

. i.

../q4'5... .

_D

Attachment: Under Seprirmt cover Extract from pare 6:

01

Distribution:
The MLO completed arrangements with

N
6. (S/ED)
Watt .
General Gibbons for the visit of the President of the
1-csAfF toitt
:1 Y, Chief .131:'
END to the CINCUSAFE. . C.
I-COS/We...w/o att. sthe-CIA Liaison Base in Munich . and the' MLO will ac3...0S/0/4.. ".
'company the President of the END . to Wiesbaden on
4 June 1965, to call on the CINCUSAFE. During the
day several presentations and briefings will be given by USAFE .
2-EE

..

personnel to the President, which should be of considerable interest

to him.

i
1

-.

DECLASSIFIED

AND

RCLEASF.1 fly

Gtfill'AL INTELLI&EN . CE k.5ENCI

(.'OinCESMETSICIDSEXEMPHO4

3021

NAZI WNR CR INES DISCLOSURE A,CI

U.klt 2405
...

/ i
--

.m03,!.

t
i
!
I

I
GROUP 1 - laCLUDED FROM AUTOMATIC L*IcINGRAD11.0 AND D.^LASSFICATION

i
i

i
f

f,::171-iiVi5;:t:6;:i..iii....-7,

Rr7r:r..g m: To

, r: Tr.:

:
i

:.

ti

_..

RCM 12390
- .. - --- -

75:1-7..f.iilei6;51 . :;1

SECRET

i
;

10 J una 1965

itl..S F. .t. ... --.

;
!

------_,

1 .t.).-4P;97
/

. . :' .....4 al_CA.../ 0

011r4111A? INC,

fy)1.

cio

I,

AA

-.ROUTINE

17

IN 2/44...-

65

E T 162120Z

: SE CR

JUN

N.Fp Antapity c ITEDIR.199 11

. VI

INullANFORMS' 6 411tf

. -

FE-A2 4 JUNE 65IN

AND CHIEF, EEIC:.

MPAN _

.J.LEASE-ADVISE:DETILS.

SEC;RET
:17/11347-

ECLASS IF ID AND LEASED EY

IlI TELLIGE .N.CE .k3ENCI:

CESI IE1HOOSEXEMP1 IOW 3LIZE

1NRAL

I . WAR CR . IME-6 01 SCLU3U1RE ACI

1.e;s
i

"".

7`

'V'

3/473;41
-v.

01-

,C;

= 1., .thAi

.1! t

lagg
yiel;

s!,
*

;44'

g3 4/if./.-"A/

torn;

363

GROUP 1- EXCLUDED fl'211 AUTOKATIC DOWNGRADING AND DECLASSIFFATIOW'

tIOEW. 0 WHOB/M RLS INT C/SE3 SEC FIN LOG C/REG
IIIj

DC/I-ILB 1./OPS L/CE LIPLANS LICONMO L/POL

'.!3f

r;%

7::

?fainagemoir

j,

t
(.3Ii

f St;Atir.in::

Ups.

ch:lof

Chief,

13;f:z4.

41111WINt
t
qiii6j4;

ot er.nsi;-,
7

"
f

. - :2: A.::n..9...JUnc I
Vey
:c f i:
ver...eion
I
opietge.i.

..

. the .

art

;13;17;

by

tit h CAVE)

. 0A

r6

3 ay j.!

*.;

4
Ort.'
sod ?......127:F.zle- t hal: di: tit 6
.- .111.ii.C;r:. toi t
.gaissmia
:Fatimlx
cliscIliF.7aid.,: :
tali fied.
.
. im
pl
C:r) 1 7.
0,71P, 4;1'47.. thc.7,:i.: Y.;
: allia04211114
:11,;:tric4.1;ily 4 .41: : ided
die....01.te . i.:0

1L

LvnevtlAtiv,n;

. .

;0r2

n c Wana:Said that.it cp
..
; Gehion arrested and that ho bad ts
tizzito

that Adcu.;e:a...1.7.,:,h ad..mant64

.-. : to have
n
ed..B
undevanwalt Ki.zhn. to 'Bonn, fot
: purpo5o. Ho:lever, no 1c..tue.3. step

's'
to
.
aprust :61ehlan
Kuhn' H. discus's:Ler, "-with qc:
takwi,,' and
b
VMS 'far aoso .. ;on:
int ,.):.-,:fofiation .CV.ernehl.mung
u than a".friondaY .00nvevsation..
' Fleraini:,.. Said .
;.,,pp roved .:0-1f- -the ;3pieg. 0berst Ad624 . 'nicht : had on' his . 'ow ns.Uthority-
,33. vointinz, th o' g tcteriol.in the
.
artte
.: Pglingt
Jio1
ic.:"not el,e;c., the p:
; . and Strauss ..
,a'tte.:n.t.ritit..CIAlen:.
.
.b/2.1.6v4i:d Gehlen hoc: au..;:horizSd
end that. WWI. th
of thi s y;tateX.ial.,"
nter hrn

ari-tsSI:ed. ' f4cablan wasp:

charitad,"

as
Ahl61,61
sz+tiols
:has
it
,

nith:i1leze.taly
warning
=
that action wo.
Spicgr3.
.s being planned aga.in3t
.
. .
.
.
.
.

:'. : il '' ..:'/..F.30.r:Iir.. belie sr

.

,.
:
on the ,. Spies. cil.,:' cffi.c.se aS -it is untrue '.chiC:',:.Str'es.u.ss ' r:::.1z1 . telaPhonii....tai)
,
.
....r21airdr.;:
;:f....:'..d
..
.1.4i,n17
.
'tho 1 m2.y ,. a I :4i:7:Tito Ol.',.. ;the, .
1:::fen.se...
v;hich bitve .z ..ny .1m i:i.::.:10d MI ' ' ,7 .i,
. '013 :le 1.;.;;;;!;' . ..A14411 . . the .;;;Z:BW
: :' z...nd a 8paa.3.1 alt.t.:. - CT: L'Eq
tyti07.1 :V P.r...117 , -.'..nei . .1,1;.--41.: n......
.1.t;lar c..:.Z.1.:heou..cznits.::.sd .
..i, t he capabill1: y . 1: 0 pu 3.1. Off a c.,..
.1.):2en . ' triusted by S ..t?.,
.).;:;d::.:;:.....-1.71,.....wir..e tap.. j ob...., .c.x.::t t;:...-.:',201.:11(71'..r.Y..:
Suss . to::..t.Y.,y r...,nr...i::..-.././o.::: doo4:: ...:../iin:Z.1:;.,..lisv:: Li
-.. would haws
.. J.
d. t ...v.yinii :PA oh . coa onal.Ation
t:.....tic,z;...
OP
up. hor-i -Vat..h I!** :1.::::.e..:1:::: ::: .7'.
POliti6al
.
I
..
g
rV.
.
v

,
.. ,. tbr,..)
.:ild.T,
-: ''''
..
......
'
.
..
.
...... .... . ,
:
i DIrrtt

'i bUtIon
, ....: ,:..
1 ..2.'.....::Ei:..:.:...,

1 1:.
COS:/0/:::
2...-. COS 1,(.417....
I 2. -.,Bcznn'.Crps'
.COPY FILED - 1H 3-2
"I. .2.::-.: CSB/F :
i '2 ':- . 5 erlin: :Pp s -
I,
.. :::.i.:77.i7.:;;'.7-.57.:770-77"-:
z.
11.1?...atz.
. .....,.

11140MMO MMINVS'4

011 F, T.

.;
1,;\

tI ECCA 'SS IF i EILA:1111RCLEAtflY

COUR/a 1111j.1.114ENCE
SO111CF.C1-140111111SEXEPIP1101i3il2E
.114211s/1P ttilkiEgil
lSCLOGUilt AC1
1;11E 2005

....

;
;
;
!

S.

Meming
said that Wolfgang DO
I fioor leadii
-iiidntioned in Ahlora'
ER/NG, the former FD,Ydeputy
tho S piegel rfor
ar tioles
was a paid .
many yeal, s. Thie way
of
faemi ng . said tbat a wood aRny
di scovered afteri nformant
other
D OER/NG diect.
th
poli
plegel's pay.
tioiine in Ee.an were also in
5. kleming discussed the
S piegol 4Rair
with complete
He does not have a high opinion of German political
aSgust.
c
m orality
and
ommented
two or three times that such goings on would
be 'possible
only
in Bonn.

/fsti

Oee

.0/

ee7aie /4441
f

cz_

e/&

a 0

fi
IiV 11- e /1'7

/17/ '444r zeiL

Op/ /

/e8

eve

e9/14/
epf7 7 L/2--Y
cwa

?4/-ii-r

rg/d Aties
4fI/?

y.

e,---a(yre /.0;> (7frie At/e

icla.4d afr^e

//

5"ti

c4

,C ;

a 7e6"ser- e"rile1/
P4y,54.,e4

Zleoce

a4/t/

es e etim emoed2415447:e41

CECLA'SSITI ED At4.0 Pr.

it.ASE0 PY
CE
iiIR.11. I 161. 15..SENCI
SridrICESMETHODSEXERP1 I ON 302t
I IR CR
INES Oi
SCLOiARC A,C1
2305

.1.1*

le 11

ref-Ms ,

.... . .

[1-

44.

SECRET

It-NI
ra" \ IC _
.

. TO

chie

mcuirt.o.

otwe wuizi, tzs:c

.:12.:O2IIIIO

1 raZA I

tlus!u..1.

VAT"..Z.c.731:102".`..:10

Chief of Station, Germany; Chief, DO

_Fr

I V7C..

/.C7

"

.0,14 3. /1. a.r....M.LIA

i.

ch...1.4aison._.Bilar.

.11C3C.71L11

aliak; 'Tt...S4.1.0q. Remarks

r
4":17JULT-1.) r.rvo=nces

REFERENCE: UNDA-1164

Just a . short comment: It was .Very interesting to us tO

.
hear at @Pespa101ad to say, especially about UTILITY,
i@MOolIert,et al.. If DescauAlhows up again, we ari always interested.
He eeiMs to be quite a chatterbox.

1
v.

Distribution:

(Bonn)
. .1-COS,G (Fran)
C..
A'-'2 CiEE -2-C/DO

ARn RCLEASU RY
CENTRAL 4 1TELLIGENCk b
lENCt

PE4ASSIFItO

e,C2'..!4'''.

FPUR CEMETHOOSEXEMPI IN ME .,,, \

11,21 WAR CR IMES DLSC

L
DA1E 2005

O3URE,ACI., '41 L t'l.

v..

t.

,a

CS COPY
Ch.:10

1,-;_strzNzc: TO

012PMC11 V.111=01...41":0

t4ute.ava

25jUN 1956
24 June 1965

EGMA-68835
SECRET

F1.1.1 1114...SR

SECRET

0711Gli:ATitta

cP.7 fm

V714741

Trrizr

cx:r.

COC.410/14ATINO
OR7IC.:t1 V1741301.

07:,ICC1VC 1:Age

U.STe

'

L
[W.74

`,
crv:cim,ceactavu=

.
;
I

1
J

1' .
I

155/GEHLEN, Reinhardt.

i
r-

with WILrEw- 28 Jun %

1.4.
' ,..
'..i

14. '' litke.evressed as his Personal opinion the belief that UMLITY.
.

is nOt

li.ked. by Erhardt and that there is a *strong poslity that

Erhardt will select knew ....P.A.;.#10.-cW:.e?..after the fallelections.'

..::.+

7
.:...,,i.;

WILJiEN

believes that villain , s chances for retention would be greater if the VD

:could win . the eleCtions but discounts their chinces based on results of

:.

Saarland-local- electo.onsi
. .

II

tOr

...-..tiv,;-.74,3310itiTUT;011...:-...80142);.89, 8/.417

..,...&.,Puick...-k, ..ix-v.,,,
'.75,,hr....Krial.:,;,,-.>:;-.--a.t.-t.,:.,:,:e-!

q ...

,Afir

: .

.:
96f...,....{.0i,; ...; / . . ..
.Typ
7ed 29:. ...Je1
i
..(
.r.:
- ' s zt-t,tfk
Pi ..-

with .@1COlIer;,-;t
5 9 AiliT4a7eY1.0%We"geiling
Opera and .:supper ::
:

A c__

4Y
fais'
;5

--0

t.
a

ri
. I.asked alias Li3O.11"e'r if he would check into the :matter of
invitations. by: : .th. e Navy . to UTILITY and the others to visit , -the
.S ix th.
.
: .
.
. -Fleet

'IMF I ED Mill REInSlig

CENTRAI 111TE11 IGENCE .:!q3ENC
SNRCEF,NETHOOSEXE101 q ;.i 3i12E
Nia I WAR CR IMES 01 S CLM
ACI
E 2305

LA ;

:7 4
.1;

 I..?
;

E IN It R 11 GEFILEN
.

str:r RT A 11 Nlt EIUJ.

Juli.i9G5 !.

nittt

Nn. as

EST AVAILABLE
Sohr geohrter,
Sio haben mir so nett zu Weihnachten geschrichen
em n so . hUbsehes Gcsc;lenh gcmacht, d:12 es mir c:Ion

:,..
-.
auf do-: Secle liogt, daB ich Ihnen naeh'Ihrem Wegf.'.:ang.;..,-.i
.nodh nicht wieder geschrieben'habe. Ihr ietzter Brie.f.41,. .i
.
.
.
mit den hiihschen ?Aid ihres Hauses . liegt mahnend iri
, ,....i,"..i.":i.,,..*:,
meiner Mapne 'iii" un:1 ich hefi'e, da3-ich hente-nichi

:.. q

...

i
1

:-..::,-,-..

wieder in einem Boricht nnterhrochen word. Sic . wissen .:

..

ch so
la, daB wir gerado Sie und Itre Frau.porsiinli

.: ..

: ,,
-':':.:,,i.

I.
;

.schr geschtzt hahen, da::: wir aufrichtig bedaucrt haben

.

. ::. :

.v,

: .

".1-'

r :

'do.B ihro Arbcit bier ihrcn AbschluB . 'gefunden.hat. Sic.

, .

1
1

sind ja auch mit der Arbcit unseres:sDienstes.von frUhe'reriii

Zeiton her schon schr langeverbunden.. Wir W.-innen:nur

.-.:-Ili52
wieder.e14. ..-;.i.....;;;;
.die Hofinung UnBern, Clan sic- in der
. ... ZUhunft
...

mai bei . ciner crneu .ten Enrocm;erwendung die Ntiglichkeit:::"

-.....c4
...
findet, .unseren porsOnlichen Kontaktwieder zu vertieferi:

...

..,:,1....-.:

i
1

Vielleicbt ist es Ihnei. gar rileht . s0sehr. bewvOt geWe 'Scni.-

I
i

des USQ: Dienstcs . geschUtzt ha' en Ich haba.gorade.in der

i;

.
.
-wie schr wir Sie ' als den mit ins ari3citenden Vertreiert
.

.Zeit Ihres Rierseins als Leiter 'dcs : DiensteS dur...0....:::41

. .
Deniihungen,
im::-.,...,
widerstrobonde
politische
verschicdene
. .
- ; ..- ... - .- . . ...-, . :;:.!.;;i;:i..r...,-10
' . doutsehen . .116reich, die Spiegel-AffUro . unil 'endores's
.
,
genorincir. .
n, ,,in . Anspruch
viele Problemo'gehab
t, die mioh . vo
_,,......,...
..

.
der,:...,..y.
g au.T..:haben ., daB vielleicht deswegen nusore Verbindun
::.
.
,

gesellschaftlichen Ebene nicht die Vertiefung gefunden . '% ,

.::. hat.;::.dic. ich . genscht htittc. Im taufe der letzten-iifeit
..-...:.....Y..:
Jahre . ist-in . politischer Beziehung -Tnach. AbschlUO-fder.,

Spiogel-Ailtiro - eil:e. gewissoErleichtcrun g cingetroten.

.:Dafilr gibt cs cinua Haufen anc,crer .Schwicrigkcittnie
. Sic-wahrs'ehoillI'i . ch, von Threm Arbeitsbercieh aus gesCtien:'
anc. 4pUren. Immcrhin sind wir hisher mit aIlen Schwicrig*,
LAASSJFIE0 AND RELEASED BY
.
- LE LI.U.L...Lii4,741....1, g ,L.4 CI- A S T . N. CI . - '
SOURCESMETHOOSEKEUTION3B2E
NAZI WAR CBINESOI SCLOSU RE AC1
B.,,IE 2305

i
1

.'
1
.

a, !

,,,
I :1

I...!

. ,... , ,..;,,.,1.,,,;,..,,,..i.z.iasidth,,,,

,-.:,tiw,*,;..1.:,,ILL:i;:;;:;44,Z,CA,i,ii...,..; .,..,..4,4,2:-.:;;.:.,:.:4 v'.:::".1tAntily,712,1`e,',..`17:axsr'fr4......tr:*4.';tiff.ffik."4.3.11

'''"'C''IZX :
.

.^..

i
i

- .

::11

EST MI DALE COP

ej.ten.erfolgreich .1.'artig gcwordc:1, Will ich denl.o,-daB da

'anch in '(Zen kommendon Jahl'en der Pall scin wird, bis 'eh

mein Amt einem'gecignoten Nachfolgor ilbergcben.karin.

Audi in meiner, Famine hat sicb einiges gedndert.

.Moth Sohn hat soin Universitdts-Examen (n:Dipl.Physitor)

mit 1.'gut"'bestanden und ist jetzt bj_c.r e1 uas
8 .pdter:'Mdchte ich fin gem n
au f einige Zeit nach
Amerika. schiocn, wenn or dte Ahrangsjahre hinter

sic10.1at.::.

Meinejlingste Tochtcr Dorothea, die Psycholo;;ic studiAW

:4;44Its
-hat im Mai einon vor.dcm Examen stchenden Psychologic.
Studenten gehciratct, einen netten Jungen, den J.r ge2,
in dic Familic .autgencurlbn habcn. Marie - nacres-0, die ja
verschiedentlich aaoh be! den netten Einiadungen.in Ihrem

-Hansa -war, hciratet im Augnst cinea PhilolOgen. pamit.ist.

.der AuSverkaul!. becndet, und es wird.in unserem ;louse wohl.:1
recht

still

:werden, auBcr an on Wocheneaden, .we'wir die

Kinder.mit,ihren Mannern - respective Traven 7 meis . t zu

Past haben ',. Mit AUfjnahme von Kattarina und ihrcr Famine,.

: die, wi .4 Sic Wisseni, in Paris sind.

Ich_hoffe schr tia3-es Ihnen in ihrer Fran.voiter

ut geht,nild daB.Vor allem lhrc Gesundheitahnen.
SChwicri,giceIten.maeht. Schn ianae'iSteine Rei:se:Von
.

Tilt nEfOh'6chTSA allig T hangt abOr stark-von den

.

TolitiO. ChenWerhilltniSson ab, Viann'ioh

dazu in der..1.!age

!spin worde...,

auch

BiS dahin mit alien gntet WiniSchen laid

-an:..Jimpritchfield Tom Lucid und alle sonstigen in

-

.sherzlieher1Troundschaitlicher
Verbundenhcit
.
.
.

Ihr

ILH

;I

ci.t

To

(...LASilfIC..16M

[-XX

'SECRET.

I.
.7rEl 11 COBiaj CSBAP

taw

A CT IO N
1N Isis
400,
11C,11:O
,..4410
03

.
NO I NCIOXIIN NUM afrD

1
.

CALS

TA.MUCCT

ICY %MU I I tO MR
CAN ACME ISOM IWO

macron Ls.

e.,

.-

ACTION INCOANINCO :4: 111391r"--"."

.
'

. 7 ?CO TOMIWCitititAllat I

MR1W73524 .0.10'T7ine 1965

.
.
..
.

.
a
I =teed the
' tLloGi1
. 4.44.,
-17i4r.Indliiiitipikiiii4iiiteriaii-:Carlcii:Y11:44
''.0 ! '

.....
$,
f.

- 41ragliii.,T a1thoi there :Ili ftd..acittiel

41
aoo.rCito
Oftacral . c .wifs.*:...
,
. .....,.... ,....,.1... .a.0,-, -,....7,14.7.,,,,,` Val.,- C 1.4.....1,, r -,...
. . Goit1 ' o does
restt
V
, a ...ie.%*....,-- 14, ...: -,.
f!ti
. i .
. ferealii..
, ... . .. . . .
.
o
t..' . ' - t 1; '. .., "
-";.
.... ` ''.,'.. '

"

It

v.:tiiiliiiI,U3.*:igiiisksia15:.aociliktio6.1cii-.' ..... "

t

' .'stliii41.:?eilie7..iiias
r:::::bitstSaif4iiil
::::ti
.,wa1d
pprec tat.
. ti.,, -.. ,..-v,....1 444 - ' a
: z.:.,. '-'-''....: ' "

.k. In
., .
..

000
AT'

i
. ..

.i
-:.
.:.i 02VIINSIIt
;

54'..;,-,..1A.....a.1
.:
.

1,Sett .1111
'

: . ..
. .... .
"" '-',>1.* ..,..
7.,- . '. :-
.
:,;..j......!,....,

-024. 'MI ... 11,,...,' vet

.e.)*;:tr;
..,e, -viz,.
,,,t..yr
4 1."
i. filT
...et
Po
..
.
*""f,,
.
!:

';- f

iiii
t

3,

- -.

'444

'

V:' 3
.4ec,

4 ir

4c4 .

4"%4,4-,,i ;;;.,..i.
v".44:Zr: ' 1

...sp.,
:'-''',...'" ..
;;;%

.r

'. '

..% ..

,er.
.14.,. b 3
r t
. 1.zriL,...z..._-$.,.. .

".:t

it.` .

.3

0:

Pt 'it
y .

, **"..= a - , r..... 111

.r.

I.

..

el

';;34tit. '
ArTfr:i.
,r,,t
.. tlf
3-r ze: :..rkt
.

15410n at."47/24:riat . CAirLr11.114.Md104: 4'

. -'

.,...
, AP--!45....,ii
th
at

..

'

.
...

. :. :.

r
..... AI'

..

..4. ':ff.'

......0.
-
.-.
CLA SSS IF I E D AN D
. Pe FfM.IllflAISD
:7411
."'DICIA35111Ciffel
.t. E.:N T R A L 1,4 El HI
'I''. .- . .. 9gt
0E DL L I 6 E N C. E A
... ......
.,.
E N C. '1' ..... 7
. s 0.4CES
.

..

SEXEMPlithti

: , .I.! ' ski g l'et 'AR CR gy1ES/01 9C LO5t111E

AC1
ti I, 1E 2 3 45 :'
-. I

' .."

1
w.

0:072S.TINPITCONO1
.- i".1,..,. 4,

.
;f''. o T OINTOTON SWIM ATO INNASINt

..

..

024-66I37

6...beKihts40

SZCZET

"
. .
,
.
NATTE:...a2.. .

- -.. .

.
.

6 6-7-

wi ha oft*
: Vof-5-3W7

-?7

SECRET

(When Filled In)

DOCUMENT TRANSFER AND CROSS REFERENCE

SUBJECT OF DOCUMENT

DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
z.

.7)2e4-zt-o--

3. DISPATCH OR SOURCE DOC. SYMBOL NO.

7.

2, 3

5. ANALYST

RI FILE NO.

?tic, Etdex,

DATE PROCESSED

SOURCE CRYPTONYM

DATE OF INFO.

9.

10. DISSEMINATED IN

I.

4. DATE
9. EVAL

DATE

DOCUMENT DISPOSITION
13. TRANSFERRED TO
RI FILE NO.

IS. CROSS RE FERNED,TO, THIS FILE

PERT I NENT

1 4.

I KtFORMAT

ON

4.

Atte4

-(..

40 Walt.; going Aolittabliito; ci:th; GC

- Aiiiiibitd7akii .' --:- 0,. 1.
ust

hi s

C.

Atilio.

moon%
ereAo

.f.
4`g.,, ,,, ..,:!... ,A.

kci:mi

. - .' .

b." :no nekeftaLperpose

AO-oini :dicer Ake : eleetions

be
-

r'ivill i isatletOtedly

5.
PN;::

(:,S,ASSIFI ED

AND RELEASFA
li:TELLISEUCE a:AENC

SOIJIICESN

ETHODSEXEti,P1 I:01i 3U2E

NAZI WAR CR I .
NES 0ISCLO5URE A
C1 . .11 2005

I5.

,2(9(

FILE THIS FORM IN FILE NO.

FORM ,67
9 . 57 '

USE PREVIOUS EDITIONS.

SECRET

(7.46)

9,1t1SA

got/TING

KESSAGE FORM

1:2

_7

Nin

INDEi

ho. INDEX -
0 VIE N

!! 7

CS fU 140.

[pi

334.P.-NY.

Y1'

I 1 fitz G5* :2t :

..

4gECTOR

i..-rf;-

, wo -tr.0-'07,t4

.'

to.
:.: 2 `
4

,Fylou

'"...

; . f. 1 ;

"

'''

"-

44; ;',%-

-";.'S

: REF. 116Y.. LETTER.

28

YdLY

iS

.
.

.,

..;?4.:

.4vtA10E :2447-...
77,13 .7::. BESr 116-TE , 1701-i.
Mt.TINIT.C1-1,Virrti PRICA:ILTIP

ra

COND. CIilC.1% . WOU LD

."

E. CIA.
.

END OF SSA:Gr,
,

. ^

,;.

' ..
r,, F I - E f
r :`A

L
:SP i1
-.: 11, A7

. e

A L .L L . 1. 6
g.
$'15 1"fi (1 trl
14. 1'.."- ft4...17:2
to R 01 4f
0

'
.

ft

r'

.
-

,
Y.....

"

.EE:
"C-H.M

Et. f .V All'

.::

"

S.

'

e
.

- SE CR ET *.

D/DCI./

f
d

. P.E?P,ODUCTION B y (MIER THAN, Tf1!.1s5U1isICIP.ff.1 cE Is FkoitiBITED.

'..',!",.
4 tit'Skti!3:1a#,T!,t5:

; Cop
_ ; ;
'

.Arioix1143 ..yrs..0 .

NO
....CCABliV-TO FI.Et O.
. 1 5:46 .TeFILE NO.

rjurotto0,RtT. TO !MANCHE!
DE1ITR0Y . [Cr110.
- '
:

(*.)
.

cas SI F I ED 'MESSAGE,

--,!..--,..

TOTAECOPIES
SWAIM Mel Alf...1W
441.10...r. am

SECRET
.7 __'
---PERSON/UNIT NOTIFIED

--.......

REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED

' ACTION ' :1

gt

RID COPY

v... 0

uwo
:FILE

14c
.

UNIT

'ADVANCE COPY

........

..

TIME

BY

0 tuu.

py/i/L-r-,L

E CR ET 021636Z

DIR CITE GMNY 985,0

Z

FROM ,"C

FOR C

S511N 4.4-5570,

REF D IR 34856
WE CANNOT GET A DATE FROM UTILITY BECAUSE HE IS ON
LEAVE BUT FEEL THAT A VISIT TO THEIR HEADQUARTERS

0 .0D - . BR IEF ING ON THEIR INTELLIGENCE PRODUCTION OPERATIONS

:'.

W OULD BE USEFUL . THEY WILL BE VERY GLAD TO PROVIDE IT

A NO

. UTILITY

S
.CFN

WILL OF COUR SE ', WANT TO SEE YOU IF HE IS IN

TOWN.

";.

E'C R E T
.

9850 34 856 CANNOT GET A UTILITY A A

BT

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED PY

k
:

CENTRAL I NTELL IGEPICIi'SENC1

.
tiOnCESKETHOD5EXEMP.110141332.E
...

:111PIE.

..1.

NAZI WRCR IMESDI 9CLOIURE ACI

DI,. I E 2005

errO

C/EE/p/CV
German bi-weekly agenda item(s) as they appear in final form
V.
7 September 65

-Ist ,t5 comet seuverectiesi

ilitititt110114.
1artialca:ftilt .: Gessorcl Otth lea
, pe
1.6 siet . itait liked Afilibitd ., 4magiFtliti-..Nrbird.tranald select
, !FM
., '- f Olt
a actx BM chief : if tar -the . fall etecticaa. 114
Gehlega c chance Virg/124a . In'his preetitt .. poaition would
ge-te inisalastrelfettect
:be:.greSca:U,the:46
..
.
-

. .41Ch'ii . vasse
.ilAPP itv prcod

.:

0;; '51!!, 2

at? iCiii

. 44;i>
. .

rlta.

t."

0
C

ECLASS I Ft CO Atli) Rrir

ENTRAL I NTELL I GEh/Ct

fly

AGENC.1
SOURCESMETHOOSEXENPla,h3ii2E
Wprelt
IMES VI SCL0AURE AC1/'
5/1E 2305

CLASSIFIC.ATION

DIS P AT C H

SECRET

MARKED FOR INDEXING

.
COS, GERMANY
uPS
IJAM.
/ E - /BONN OPS BASt - 6/ MALIN
C/CSB, FRANKFURT

TO.

irop,

PROCESSING ACTIot4

NO INDEXING WPM
ONLY QUALIFIED MK
GAN RIDGE MEM

FROM

C/MUNICH LIAISON BASE

MICROFILM
CATIDE.
. ALIAS (WINTERSTEIN S COMMENTS ON GERMAN ELECTION AND UTILITY'S FUTURE
-,..
ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

SUBJECT '

1, 14INTERSTEIWSTATED 3 SEPTEMBER THAT HE HAD JUST COMPLETED A

SURVEY IN DEPTH'FOR-CATIDEJOP LEADERS ON PROS RESULTS UPCOMING
ELECTION. HIS PROGNOSIS WAS THAT CDU/CSU WOULD WIN PLURALITY OF
VOTES /ONE OR TWOTERCENT,OVER SPD/.AND AGAIN FORM A COALITION
- GOVT WITH FOP. .WINTERSTEMSAID A GREAT COALITION WOULD BE
IMPOSSIBLE IF CDU WON SINCE ERHARD WOULD NOT ACCEPT-COALITION WITH
SPD AND AS ..CHIEF VOTE COLLECTOR HIS PARTY HE COULD NOT BE FORCED
OUT RIGHT AFTER ELECTION. HOWEVER,. IF SPA PULLED UPSET AND WON
PLURALITY VOTESIWINTERSTE1WTHOUGHT A: GREAT COALITION LIKELY.
IN THIS CASE SP67WOULD FIND' ITIMPOSSIBLE FORM COALITION WITH
FOP AND WOULD PROB*BE ABLE WORK OUT ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE WITH CDU.

2. MINTERSTEIN-SAID HE DID NOT EXPECT POSITIONLCATIOE-IN

.GERMAN:GOVT_TO BE GREATLY CHANGED AFTER ELECTION. .UNDER NEW ERHARD
GOVTLCATIDEPOSITION,WOULD PRO NOT GET BETTER BUT WOULD ALSO NOT
GET WORSE. "UNDER SPD DOMINATED COALITION CATIDE:POSITION MIGHT
S1-10W SLIGHT . IMPROVEMENT DUE PAST CATIDE:-CULTIVATION SPD LEADERS.
14I4TERSTEWSAID SPD BUNDESTAGDEeEGATES HAVE RECENTLY BEEN VERY
UN0ERSTANDING.XATIDE'S'PROBLEMS.
'
ii4INTEOTEMSAID.HEDID NOTEXPECi UTILITY TO BE DROPPED

. 3.
, AFTER ELECTION 140 MATTERMHO WON. HE SAID THERE IS NO STRONG DISSATISFACTION UTILITY IN EITHER CDU,OR SPDARD.LITTLE.DESIRE REPLACE
HIM,' NOR IS THERE STRONG CANDIDATE FOR SUCCESSION.. kWINTEASTEIN SAID
HE BELIEVED UTILITY WOULD CERTAINLY SERVE UNTIL 'HE REACHED LEGAL
RETIREMENT AGE AND THAT IT WAS NOT UNLIKELIHOOD PARTIES WOULD
, . ARRANGE TO HAVE HIS TERM EXTENDED.

- .

DISTRIBUTION

BY. TAPE
COS/GERMANY
C/EE

!E
EI CIMETEilnEi
(
T

1 .-.
i:/
E

....-

NAZI W2 CRIMES 01
SCLOSU R 1.,.A ja.'
SATE 2905
.

C/BONN OPS BASE

C/BERLIN OPS BASE
- ...7. "9
CgtriT4FURTU4741,,,, --

, , ?1

'''.

C-,.

DISPATCH SYMBOL

CROSS REFERENCE TO

AND

I t,rItiSee IT

NUMBER

EWA 67066

i -- 1

17" ci Ori
U, ideal::

C.(
DATE

7 . SEPTEMBER i63

'

CLASSIFICATION
iii Kbj41414.;-''

SECRE T

3214-4.1.39.
'
....._____
ORIGINATING'

OF f

EXT.

TYPIST

OFFICER

ICE

ItA....

44. .
s Vt' '

1.
'

! ,r

53

-,

;!,40.

'. 14

). .'

OF F I CEWS HAUL

i0A
..

4.

COORDINATING

Nt

orinc
1

. pr

'';

ol*ICI ST ,LA.

RELEASING

DATE

DIP NAM
'S

SiOnAl

UNE

J.

OM
USE PREVIOUS T.OITION
.,

MP AT . 0 H
Glyyl - 674

,17"R. '

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

I DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGMA-.67066

4. COMMENT LWINtE114.TEIN HAS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH

UTILITY AND WOULD DOUBTLESSLY LIRE TO .SEE HIS TERM EXTENDED.
OTHER :PAT I DE;; OFFICER'S NOTABLY ALIAS BROCK. -HAVE BEEN FAR
LESS OPT IMEST I C ABOUT UTILITY'S FUTURE.-

APPROVED

END OF

FORM
0-SA 5
140/

XXXSZB

CLASSIFICATION
a

USE PREVIOUS EDITION.

PAGE NO.
CONTINUED

'

'4 .

..

,.

-----uFzprorar-

.1;

fi 4

-,,::'' :.
.
- Chief,.....NE

..

SECRET

;' t''''',

iS12."

Chiif,

via

641,11We

AROdaSe):40,AC1%O1 i

avuma voz usumuna

.,E
: ,

. ..
Chief of Station, Germahy.

_a-'2,,Contacts wit.

e-

ACTION REQUIRED:

Tb

CJUI.VOMC DZOMOUO

Nilt=f1UA

UTILITY and.4MCeller,.

Acmousgmumm.mrm....
n.=

=um=

am? azi.wvim o=

asAilk

Chief; Munich Liaison

TO linzarn

..

Precis from.:..Z.:_
..

--._

time permits

_Jas

I'regret that I mi88e&...47,..._. -.4.t .the . BaYerscherhof Hotel

after his evening with . UTILITY.
C_
:7 : eould'give us a.
thumbnail memo. of what transpired it . thie meeting,. we should

'certainly appreciate it.

Additionally, I am verycutious . to
know what was behindiElNoellar!a luncheon suggestion. Anything
on this which . wOuld be of use to us would be helpful as your
time permits.
.

:
.

'7

. .

. .

..

Distribution:

. .

.
-4-C/NE, C/EE
1 -COS/Germany/Bonn

OteLASIICII0 HO RELEASED BY
ttNnL.L irt s lAIV:NI ;. AGENC1

1 -COS/Germany/Fran

..SOUICCThETHODUXD:P1 ION 392E

NAZI WAR CR Nil DI SCL-OSURE AC)

.....

..

t OE

20011

i
.

1..

, ,
NL
,

`%

$.ZWC1
*. ('P.if'

\
..\

'

.L.20 September 1665

EGMA - 57162 .

0771CM%

woe
------..-1..

i
UPI::: SWIM:.

..
1.--- -----I.

_...----.1-...---L----7-1.-----

1
on.=

-.... -

'.

.iF7/.5::::' 1:4':!....--..-- .----..

. - ....-.... .....

_i

01110MAT 1.k10

Trr:PV

.........
COOROINATINCY

nY:/nAL.

;.1

.
---i
i

032W-4-26/I..;

SECRET

CP71:C

Mgt :MR tulMOVT

CLA:1311,MATIO1

i.

-___

OX:

017.01.1Cli imam-PIO liCralaft

TO

AI&
4A1111116.

tot'Isitl'

'

01)(.17 $
.,.. cy,
Ve '

110

,
*Ak,-)\,,,
v.

l''''

..

.
nat-cf.mmto

, , , , ifiarearrn...",:t.icumu..,
in:W.77

.
,

......'"

CLASSIF1C.ATION

DISRAT C H
.

TO

PROCESSING ACTION

SECRET

HAR KED FOR IROETIRS

0
'CHIEF-OF STATION, GERMANY
CHIEF, EE .
CHIEF, BONN OPERATIONS BASE
CHJ EF OF BASE, B FRI I N

no BOMB
ORLY

IMMO

QuAura Ku

CAR JUDGE INDCKING

FROM

CHtfl, MUNICH
,

SUBJECT.

ACTIoN REQUIRED
.

IAISON . RARE

CATIDE.''...
'UTILITY'S POLITICAL COMMENTS

REFERENCES

1.11CROFItH

I. DURING THE DISCUSSION FROM WHICH THE REFERENCE CAME, I,

ASKED UTILITY IF-HE WERE HAPPY WITH THE 'OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION.
WITH AN EXPLOSIVE ABRUPTNESS WHICH TOOK ME SOMEWHAT ABACK, HE
NEARLY SHOUTED HIS ANSWER - "NO".
.2. HE WENT ON TO SAY THAT HE HAD BEEN HOPING FOR A GRAND CO.ALITION. 'ALTHOUGH HE DID NOT GO INTO DETAILS, ONE GOT THE IMPRES
SION THAT HE THOUGHT THAT SUCH THINGS AS THE EMERGENCY LAWS AND
THER - MEASURES'WOULD HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH MORE EFFECTIVELY WITH
SUCH-A7.GOVERNMENT.'

..

3. MY OWN REACTION TO HIS RESPONSES WAS AN ALMOST AUTOMATIC

CONCLUSION THAT UTILITY BY NATURETAVORS A STRONG CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. : :.:HOWEVER
i
HE4I
:AY jUST-FEELJHAT . THE ERHARDTGOVERNMENT HAS
DEALT4ATjOE-41 'POOR..HANOTOR , A . LONG TIME. THIS MAY IN FACT BE WHAT.
HE MEANT,.'; :ltS HE ., ADDED THAT AS .THINGS LOOK IS WE. WI LL CONTINUE TO
HAVE'TO:F1GHT : FORMONEY.FORICATIDEAS.OPPOSED TO THE DAYS UNDER'
ADENAUER .,..WHEWME4IADE THE(CAT1DE.BUDGET.A MATTER OF A POLITICAL
PECIStbN" - ON . WHICH HE WOULD BROOKNO COMMENT FROM TREASURY AND
BUDGET:.'BORtAUYPEOPLE.
..4:

UTILITY CONCLUDED THAT THE ELECTION 'WOULD NOT HAVE ANY

DISCERNABLE EFFECT ONXATIDg.

.
DECLASSIFIED AND RICIASED BY
CENTRAL I'r:LLAGENCE AGENC)

SO0RCE:MET171SEXEMPTI0N3B2E
.

NAZIWARCRIMESOI$CLOSURE AC]
DATE 2005

G-

DISTRIBUTION -. BY TAPE
.',.

....

COS, G

71n -

.-

%I...

C/BONN OPS BASE

COB, BRLN

4,

..04..

Ft

' ;:

Vijj '.

',:t.:1..i''':

DISPATCH

CROSS REFERENCE TO

.:,5 a 4-4'

SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGMA.67143

.--.

CLASSIFICATION

/12fl1e--.

;x402____,)

SECRET

1-1:1

ta.

'pour
k

it

Eittcog trim silioal

dorst361aL tild
Ottinsinodlot

DATE

27 SEPTEMBER 65
HOS

FILE NUMBER

32W- 2 -

39/

(-

DI SPATCH

TO.

_-

411101Mibiallai SECRET .

PROCESSING ACTION

MARKED

FOR

INDEXING

INFO.

.CHIEF EE
CHIEF . W.E....". COS/GERMANY - CHIEF -, ZOO aPs
,
BASE - r_
-7'.... CSB/FRANKFURT

FROM

XX

MUNICH LIAISON BASE

4ATEDEI:

UT LITY VISIT TO LONDON

ACTION REQUIRED

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

.
MICROFILM

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

CAN JUDGE INDEXING

CHIEF

SUM

CLASSIFICATION

REFERENCES
_

-----

1. .ALIAS!..DROWSTATED.UNOFFICIALLY 5 OCTOBER THAT UTILITY

TRAVELING 10N0:.29-30 OCTOBER,TTINTRODUCE ALIASMARTWIG:T
BRITISH. ..MARTWIG1. 011E.:CATIDE . PERMANENT REPRESENTATIVE-IN.LOND.
UTILITY WANTS:GET7HARTWIG;ESTABLISHED*LOND BEFORE DEPARTURE
PRESENT FEDREP AMBASSADOR DR. HASSO.VON.ETZDORF. WHO FRIENDLY:CATIDE....
NEW FEDREP AMDASSADORMILL BE . HANS . HERWARTH.VON.BITTENFELD, WHO WAS
ALREADY ONCEAMBASSADORJO LOUD AND NOW,CHIEF.PRESIDENTIAL_OFFICE..
HE ARRIVING . MARCH 1965 AND IS NOT OVERLy.COOPERATIVE:CATf0E.
.:.-___......
..

. 2. BROCK:SAIV
TWIG . WILLING GO LOND.BUT NOT..1'
ENTHUS1ASTIC : ABOUT .IT;--HE-SOMEWHAT CONCERNED.OVER ABSENCE GERM
SCHOOL LONCLANDAEED PUT:HIS-WIFE'S PROPERTY. INTO.HANDSOFCAREPROCK : NERY.GLAO.HARTWIG'GOT'LOND'ASSIGNMENT SINCE WILL. BE
TAKER.
ABLE SEE - HIMFREODENTLY FROM HOLLAND:';DROCK'S WIFE ALSO RELAYED
TO FAMILY OF HERWARTH'VON BITTENFELD,
.
.

...

.
3, .fiROCK - SAID UTILITY VERY CLOSE TO BRITISWAND SEES THEM,
REGULARLY:EVERY . SIX MONTHS:. BRIT1SH ;VERY INTERESTED iN SELECTION
UTILITY'S SUCCESSOR. .MAY. TRY INFLUENCE.SELECTION THRU CONTACTS
FEDREP. POUTICALAND MILITARY CIRCLES: . :WILL OPPOSE MAJ GEN GERHARD
WESSEL WHOM THEY . CONSIDER , OVERLY PRO-AMERICAN AND KUBARK CANDIDATE.
. .

.
,
.
4.
REWESTIAMITED . DISTRIBUTION.ABOVE TO PROTECT SOURCE.
WILL SEND FULL BACKGROUNDIH
LORD LATER.
ARTWIej0
. .,...,.
.
......,,.
. a...

,
.

'

DISTRIBUTION .. By TAPE

2 - EE

' .

.
DECLASSIITE0 AND RELEASED . BY
1 - WE
AGENC/
2 1- COS/G. . .. MURAL IRTELL
2 .... BONN OPS.
SOURCES METHODSEXEMPT I ON 3B2E,
2 -.CSB/FRAN
NAZI WAR.C_RIMESB.I SCLOSURE ACI
OATE 2015
BY POUCH 2 -;LOND'..
-

._

I 6E . NCE

.it

C--CROSS REFt.R5NCE TO

..../

--,----s-7

owl

-tiacoilmulow

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

FamA_EA.308

6 OCTOBER-1-965---

HISS FILE NUMBER

CLASSIFICATION

44tEMESESMS r r P

dOICICLILIK
!LLtlattHIF.31100

DATE

-E

31V 5 ;Ga3

P:

01(hen Allied

in)

.. Extract fron Contact Report

Traasmitted nek EGArr- A2.e6 P.
Dated: 13

:;

t.4

tt*RiV.T.7,1Z

2Z

.;:

ZTYPI..4;44..

rr4

.. .k

eeStIDDW beilbezilat544,64

In

addition to the infOrmation..'in',..thiS:Cab*SEIDEL

.
.
he idb it. that UTILITY'S relatiOne,with%.Erhard:ilr,e.;:s
been recelved-,--b5CErhatid ly once.rhax"
4,,,fride4(

AlsYr4-'
044 7z,1Z

At: 11,1'

DECLASS/FI

Ea AC?

RELEASED Dr
AGENC1
SOVRCESI4ETUDDSEXERP T ION
N47,WAR C
38'n
RIMES 01 SCL
DATE 2005
OSURE

CENTRAL

fP17L1.. IGENte

Ac;

gismo=
Cetgr

. I

S-E-C-11-E-17
Mhen filled in)

Extract from Contact Report

EGMA-67345

Transmitted 'per.XXXIM

Dated:

14 October 1965

Filedi@BRaCK

. 21. 4466C,.had little to say about UTILITY. Contrary to his

usual predictions that UTILITY is on the verge of being fired,
he this time seemed to feel that UTILITY's position is fairly
stable.

Minna
CMVC

DECLASSIFIED AID
CENTRAL INTELLIi

SO0fIES t4ETH90 SEX

NAZI WAR CR INES.01
DATE *2005

11112.1Mti
ECC2
RELEASFDAY
NC1 ADENC1

121C3C

EMPIAN3821
SCLIMICAO

101.41.11
ete2#
Nntgal

UTILITY's 201
4.14

I
(Th
DECLASSIF I ED AND RELEASED DV
CENTR 1,L INTELL IGENCE AGENC1

S0U r E3ME1HODS EXEMP1 ION 3B2E

NAZI W:ifi CR IMES DI SCLOSVRE AC1
DATE

2005
15 October 1965

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

SUBJECT: Information Received Informally from Mr. *

-14October965
telephoned me to say he had attended a party at the
I. .Mr.
-:.:home:.of-Mr. Erich Straetling, Counselor of the German Embassy in
-Waehingten, in honor of the impending departure of First Secretary HansGeorg:WRick.. Mr. WItck is returning to Bonn permanently, where he
3.v. illwerk in the section of the' German Foreign Office concerned with
Berlin and Eatit.German matters. W(tck has worked on substantially
. these concerns:here in Washington and it can be expected tha,t he will
be regarded by his colleagues in Bonn as an expert on American attitudes
and policies in this connection. Wick mentioned to Mr. L '3 that he
expecti .-to be in regular touch with : C..A.TIDE .:representatives in his new
..pOsition, but he made it quite clear thatwhile he values good positive
.intelligence support in his job, he is very firm that foreign, policy is made
in the 'Foreign Office or " above that level and not byCATIDE.

14:

ligt4.7g rg.
.(=i

Etalze
elsEgaza

":1
14

. .
2: might be interested in establishing
2:. Assuming that Mr. L
_
suggested to Wick.'that h e. . CO.rjog
.3
social
Contact
with
Wtck,
Mr.
. L
.
.
had:oneor two "friends" now stationed in Bonn with whom W4ck might find
.
.
an occasional chat useful and anjoyable. Wt .ck responded very positively
.tothis, suggestion, and Mr. " C._ if is certain that any Bonn Base officer
3 5, perhaps indicating
who Might,introduce himself as a friend of
C
would
be able to gain
that Tie had recently heard from Mr.
3 by
.,access t easily to WEbck. Important to note is, however, that Wcl .c is
quite aware'_of,Mr...L - 1's Agency affiliation and that he would equally.
.identify in" hil Own mind any Bonn Base officer who so introduced himself as
avCIA representative.
. .
:One amusing note during the evening was that Wt.ck asked Mr.
L
ii he knew @DESSAU and, if so, what he thinks o r him. Sensing
indicated only that
'that
this
might indeed
be a.leading question, Mr. b..
.
f .
,
he had metADESSAU or a few' occasions but 'does not know him well cm:high

.3 CO

ri *":;1 1

1
.

'P/

SEW-

!:, '
,

to have formed any clearly-defined opinions about him as yet. Mr.

i further noted that he had known @DESSAU's predecessor who
was.-.6KUEHNE
very well and held a distinctly favorable opinion of him.
.
.
'*was
Wq_ck .s response was a wry comment to the effect that Mr.
indeed very diplomatic and that he (Wick) had gotten along with VKIJEHNE.,.could not miss the implication that @DESSAU is not
too. Mr.
highly regarded by Wtck.
"..
. .
.
. ..

r-

4.. , Among the other guests at the party was General Bole, formerly
with CATIDE. No conversation of significance took place with him.

At one point during the evening Straetling who only fecently returned
that
ficirn a fairly extended stay in Bonn, told Mr. ..L.
while:in .:Bonn he had been asked by Minister Heinrich Krone the following
question:: ;','What..would you think of General Wessel as a replacement for
UTILITY.1 !:-Strietling apparently responded to .Krone's question in an
entirely positive Las hien. Mrz ..,I'explained that Straetling is quite
cldse;to Kione since the days . that Straetling fulfilled the functions of
Foreign Office liaison with the Bunde stag and that he continues to correspond
not infrequently with Krone by means of personal letters. The inference
Mr : a .3 ;,:draws is that Straetling furnishes to Krone his views as to what
g , s on ,i ,WaShington,:and,probably also as to what goes on in the German
Embassy here:' :Mr. C._
J also noted that General Wessel was recently:
piOMOted'. anditlius noW,has his third star. The prornotion was apparently
e subject,,ot some rather snide comments made by some of the guests
it the:partyiricluding
a . number of members of the military attaches'.,
.
_
.
These snide comments seem to center on the curiosity of General
Weesel .:having - gdtten so high . a rank at so relatively young an age and without
a:C. heetfUl:SOE World War II German medals.

.1

Y
oe s . . y
.
-

..

Chief, EE/Germany..

. 25 October 19.65
4 6 SEIDEL
.
,(L/tE))
_ . ::
_ 9. :SEIDEC started by saying that-UTILITY is burned out
and a burden rather than a help . toCATIDE'.. He said that
UTILITY does not establish,preptme, set goals, delegate
authority, sell the'CATIDE-prOdMCt; defend the organization
politically, or any of the other things a good chief of
AkTIDE.would do. On the contrary, he ignores these matters
and' lets the organization drift along without leadership or
any sense_of purpose. UTILITY does not face up to the major
problems'CATIDEfaces, and spends his time with minor organizational and personnel matters. He will not let anyone else
make a decision on a matter of importance, but frequently
procrastinates over decisions so long himself that the
matter becomes academic before the decision is made. He
allows his division chiefs and senior officers to . do as
they please and work at cross purposes with each other.
He is very fearful of flaps and afraid to assume risks.
He will not tolerate dissenting opinions and surrounds
himself with yes men. He . cannot-bring himself to dismiss
his tired old friends and cronies. He is 'timid to the
pocians in Bonn and creates an unfavorable impreaion
ofeATIDE..

10. 'SEIDEL said that he thought UTILITY 's decline

dated from the legalization of CATIDE in 1955-56. When
CATIDE was legalized UTILITY had to take on a large number
of organizational, financial, and personnel problems which
he wiill prepared to handle. UTILITY was also confronted
with a good deal of hostility in Bonn and got into the habit
of being meek to the politicians. Since that time UTILITY
has concentrated on the administrative and political aspects
of his work and has been very much afraid to make waves.
11. SEIDEL was especially bitter about CATIDE l s position
in Bonn. Hi' said that UTILITY generally gets nohigher in
tIrs government hierarchy than Reinhold Harker. UTILITY
also sees Gerstenmeier and Krone occasionally, but his access
to even these men is not good. Adenauer came within an
inch of firing UTILITY at the time of the Spiegel affair.
Erhard received UTILITY once and has ignored him ever since.
Westrick is very standoffish. Strauss will not speak to
UTILITY. Schroeder is frosty to him and von Hassel is
unavailable. SEIDEL said that the people who counted in
Bonn were aware of the way UTILITY and CATIDE, are floundering around, and if UTILITY was not removed it was only because of his services to Germany in the years after the
war and in the creating of tATIDE. However, as soon as
UTILITY reached the legal age fa' retirement (in April 1967),
and could be gracefully eased out, he would be dropped with
little ado.
,

12. Possibly, =DEL said , UTILITY might be eased out

even sooner. @WAGNER , who hdd long been treated in a
humilitating manner by UTILITY, might soon be retired because
.

-;:q.
;:171!"

44!:1

"

La.!

4-1 L-)
LaJ
CC

4.

'""

V%

Page - 4

of ill health. His successor, whoever he was , would have

to be approved by the cabinet, and this would open the whole
question oCCATIDE's leadership. The_cabinet might then
Certainly they
decide to replace UTILITY along with WAGNER.
would not appoint a vice president.for-CATIDE without giving
some thought to the man who would be his boas for the
next several years,
13. I commented at this point that I had heard rumors
that OARTWIG'would be appointed the next vice president of
JCATIDE':- SEIDEL- replied that he had heard the same rumors
and could - hardly thint of anyone less qualified. He said
r'HARTWIG Was "charakterlos" and had gotten where he was only

by sucking up to UTILITY. :SEIDEL added that Kt/BARK would

do well not to put too mucti- aonfidence indARTWM - since he
had no principles and would always be quick - to trim his sails

to the direction of the wind.

14. I then asked who4EIDEC thought would replace

UTILITY. SEIDEIPsaid he believed it would be a young

politician On the rise, probably the protege of some important

political figure in Bonn. SEIDEL added that Adenauer had
once considered giving the position to his aide, Bachmann, or
to a protege named Bach (phon). rSEIDEL said that there are
a number of other clever and deseiwing young politicians
in Bonn who would be interested in the'CATIDE job, and the
Bonn politicials would favor an appointment of this type
after the UTILITY years. 'SEIDEL said that he himself thought
that a political appointee; if it were the right man, would

be an excellent solution for .CATIDE: It would at least

pecesOtate a fresh leokBranciiin&ythinr.

17. SEIDEL' then turned to UTILITY's attitude towards

America. He'said UTILITY had never been really pro-Anarican,
an' at the present time was quite anti-American. lualmvsaid that in the years between 1945 - 49, UTILITY had been
so bitter at the Americans, especially at the US Army,
that he cane within an inch of breaking with the Americans

:Nip=

completely, and doubtlessly would have done so if KUBARK

had not assumed responsibility for his organization.
S.E.Mtl(Said that1DESSAU had played an important role in

ea=lti

him for.

tro'

persuading UTILITY- to stay on good terms with the Americans Api

during this period. -SEIDEL - added that he knew thatj)ESSALP-1/44"ngaw
had since changed and - bad' become a joke in CATIDE; itill,'
Lltatrl
we should remember that DESSAU - was one of the most proMil!,;11114
American officers in c CAIDE and that we had much to thank

27

arrival UTILITY
18.
ISEIDEL ' said that after. C._
became mcra friendly to the US and-retained so for several
0210i(Ww=x.
departed and !CATIDE was
years. Hoimver, after CI
.7,1
legalized, UTILITY again began to grow cold toward the
United States. He also began to imagine there was a 'cliqueth-,
rmrry,%'
in KUBARK which was out to get him. He attributed all
his
4rr
sorts of misdeeds to this clique, among them salying
reptitation in Bonn. When Adenauer tried to fire him, UTILITY..
even concluded that the KUBARK clique had put Adenauer up grxim.7,-,
to this. SEIDEL said that he didn't know this positively, ,..12
but believed that UTILITY had once even protested to ASCH
no BRENT about this KUBARK clique.
Vet

19. SEIDEL didn't go into details, but implied that -1UTILITY's anti-American attitude has a negative influence
on CATIDE's present dealings with us. SEIDEL said specifically
that if UTILITY did not give us his report on the Bundeswehr
SIGINT deserter it would be only becmmsebrof UTILITY's

anti-Americanism, since all the other responsible r.ATIDE

.officers had cleared the report for patting to tar.

"r-----20. While discussing UTILIITY's attitude toward AmaTica,

SELUHL's reserve slipped . a little and he said with a slik;ht

trace-Of emotion that MARX sbould know what is going on in

C;1CATIDE and that he considered it his duty to tell us. He

elso , sald that be was
confident I would know how to handle
his information

securely. Then he became dispassionate

again and a short time later stood up and took leave.

We arranged to meet again in three or four weeks to discuss_
the Breisach project, ane,SEfDEL again_volutaered to-brief
me on the Bundeswehr deserter if UTILITY;.bae:not-ret6
his report in_thk.meant ihm--'

ET
( rt., . 1,11,1

DOCUMENT TRANS'

REFERENCE

SUOJECT Of 0000WNT

DOCUMENT

ID(NTIFICATION

s.

f ILC NO.

0111'41CM 00 OUMCC DOC. moot mo.

I. S O U O CIL CMTPTOMTM 4. ATIL

0.

MIALVIIT

4. OATC PROCISICO

to. 0issIwtmAts0

IN

op

'Niro.

4. 0411
I.

OV4lUATI0M

It. TI

CIOCUMCNT DISPOSITION

II. C4011 44444444 'TO THIS !WI

, * 04 ttttttt

MI 1I1.0 MO.

TO

.
.
GEHLEN.. REINHARD /GEN/

C
EGRA-00054.,;..:
SEX 14 DOB ?
27
OCT 65
GERMANY 7
Ain Fl
C IT GERMANY
OCC CHIEF, BNC
VI GERMANY, MUNICH
IS PRODUCT OF ARISTCCRAT IC GERMAN SCHOOL'
SYSTEM AND GENERAL STAFF, REMAINS FUNDAMENTALLY
A BELIEVER. : IN THE - . ESTABL I SHNENT AND
' AUTHOR I.TAR IAN ISM, IS A 'MAN. OR-RESOLVE AND.

COURAGE-, HAS : REPORTEDLY :SHIFTED FAIN

/3.
RESEARCH
TO
ACQUISITION
'
INTEREST FROM
PAGES/
EGOEGM

R 6511.222320
DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED BY
MIMI_ INFAL16ENCE ASENCI
SOURCESKETRODSEXIMP1ION3B21
.NAZIWARCRINE501$CtOSURE-ACI

.0A1E 1005

FILE IN

FILE THIS FORM IN FILE NO.

1010

(67. IS 'ism.. ISITties.

SECRET

west

-;.1

1.r5J
(:'1,-.

PROCE.:SING ACTION

LARKED To* incalew

CHIEFOF'STATION,

INOCXIITO REQUIRED

GERMANY

,14-0-:.:TCH FE F7 7C sr;--- FRATIXFURT

EE
CHLEFOFBASE, HAMBURG
CHI EF,
!Flialfl-EF,WE-k4CRIEF, MUNICH LIALSOVBASETS.PT.-1..D.5.7
INCU.SNAVYEUR VISIT TO GERMANY
:AcTioN REQuIRED.. REFERENCES

. .: .
-. "1. -,*.,

1.:

ONLY Qiikt.ITUD MIA

to RIME INN:XI/fa

wscitornm

41.

Tn.')

-ACTION REQUIRED. - FOR INFORMATION

t'''.-

k N "Vi. '
.'il?..r-g,4d

r:

:.

INFORMED.TODAY-:Br,COMMANDER ROBERT BUBLITZ, NAVAL OFFICER

ACtREE lTED HERE FORCATIDE .iLIAISON, THAT ADMIRAL THACH,-COMMANDER,
NAVAL FORCES IN EUROPE, PROBABLY WILL MAKE A VISIT TO GERMANY
ri - JANUARY.

?"*':--':1

,! .1 -:t

v.....;,_,.

,:::.

. :

THE FIRST FIVE DAYS OF THE VISIT WILL BE IN NORTH GERMAN

FLENSBURG, HAMBURG.; BREMEN, ETC. - WILL BE ACCOMPANIED
HE NAVAL ATTACHE IN
i..'....JPCFULL PUBLICITY AND BE UNDER THE AEGIS OF
:....gBON.N.
. . . ..
3. . THEREAFTER, WITH NO PUBLICITY, TOUR WILL BE TAKEN OVER DY :
.
LT.S.AAVAL REPRESENTATIVE GERMANY, CAPTAIN HATCH, IN FRANKFURT.
"-OF THIS PART OF VISIT, TWO DAYS WILL BE SPENT IN MUNICH, THE
SECOyD BEING SET ASIDE
. FOR. SIGHTSEEING.
.

'

WE WILL BE BROACHING IDEA OF COURTESY CALL BY ADMIRAL ON

.UTIL1TY /PRECEDED BY MLB BRIEFING/. FEEL THIS WOULD BE USEFUL
FROTOCOLtGESTURE. SUBLITZ ENVISAGES ANOTHER VISIT By ADMIRAL TO :!4cGq-::.As WELL. AS ONE TO CONGEN CREEL. WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED AS PLAN

S.

V&T--,.e.5* FRAN - UNDERSTAND THAT CAPT HATCH BEEN NOMINATED AS NEXT

APTNTELLIGENCE OFFICER TO ADMIRAL THACH. THIS IS SOMETHING ON WHICH
..YOU:'.MA.Y. WISH TO PASS YOUR tONGRATULATIONS ALTHOUGH HATCH HIMULF -

..

WNOT.WANT TO ACCEPT JOB HAVING TRIED FOR GERMAN ASSIGNMENT FOR

P OLONG. INTERESTED IN ANY HINTS AS TO HIS SUCCESSOR:

.

:. ; .4

e
.
. e-

DISTRIBUTION

BY

DECLASSIFIED
TAPECENTRAL

AND

'NULL

REL EASED BY
-AGEN-Cl.

C/EE:
.
COB/HAMBURG
C/WE

, F

OSS RE ERENCE TO

7-16.177"-'$

SOURCESMETHOD/sEXEMPTION.382E

NAZIWARCRIMESDISCLOSUREACI
BATE 2005

DISTRIBUTION _ BY POUCH

Exictint.IT:r4

(..IrrcftE14
0:11

1.

/
DATE"

DISPATCH SYMROt AND NUMBER

/c; OC.T0.1.3CR
Cl AS,511 iCA I ON

s r

HOSIRIMOARER
1,1

7.

"rZ

"1"-- 12

.2.

PROCESSING ACTION

5 AT CH
.7

MARKED FOft INDEXING

Chief, WI-1ch\LiaisOn BaseATTN:

TO

. xxX

NO maxtm REQUIRED

INFO.

DESK

ONLY gthwrito

CAN 1UOCE INDEXING

FROM

Chief of Station, Germany

inctonu4

SUBJECT

Excerpt from FOrthightly Letter

ACTION -REQUIRED REFERENCES

.,

Following is an excerpt from my'Fortilightly.Letter,

dated 26 October 1965, which I feel would be of interest
to you.

"Brigadier Sir Charles Spry who visited Bonn on the

22nd told me that he hid spent two.or'three very pleasant
days With UTILITY, whom the apparently admires very much.
President . SchruebberS whom I saw on the same occasion was
full of his difficulties in Karlsruhe.' Although nothing
very.new'has come up during the Paetsch trial he it. obviously shaken and very unhappy about . it.
,
"&few . weeks ago Poser told . G.J that he had beenasked-by-the Defense Department togo_tO Munich
persuade"
TiTiLx7t tostay .:LOnas. president .. .. ofCAT. IDE : At about the same
tiieijiad -linCh witivAliaSTOrga* .Who said that UTILITY had
been injiis::office that very morning and in better shape than
ij orga*thad'seenhim in years
happy,gay:-ind playitl:.".
. .

L_

s.

.i .. !:.

._--.

1,'

f--

.-., .

ix ,

e VI f:s 1
.
.01YA, t4t.,.'3
f 'WA i',. V. "a,.:e
,,,.;YA,,,... ,,,,.1,1 , 4.0. l'

f.

..f.:,t

''f',7

t tilitp,petr A SS IF I EVAND RELEASED fi Y

40- W11"0" CENTRAL IN T FALIGE10E.
AGERC)
' k- ,.> =9
( 0.
t
w A IV.13 ,. -4 t
-SOMESMETHODSEXEMPII0if 302f
/
v'c'INIy '''
KAI I WAR CR INES fi g SCLOSURE
Distri ,tto 't
A . C1
EAU
MI5
2 - C'MLB

-1011

1..

,-1
:I t^.

, !

.-

.' ; , .

4.4. r

.
r---7:
.....
t

-:

.
CROSS

REFERENCE TO

.
DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER
.

DATE

' EGWT-159

vis PAzi "4wv,C. t. i vi i- 14,ft-o;:&w.!,

-8-ECRETONEM

2S October 1965
HQS FILE

NUMBER .:

-&,--i

,,

Atiptrelit;;::
4.1, ,..1;r7...;
'/

Ii,1

I;
..
ru.

'

.
"4-1.37;t;?..4%.*:.:*,-?,P

t....

4.

PROV.I."r.3:

A TC

SECRETAIIINIMI .

Mrth3t4

ga* o.

/ PAO .0

EE

0.1., 11
.
wts.rw

0 am.

Chiefof Station, Gerosnn

Chigd f.....11 ona...Qpnraticlut. Base__

Bee.

...

41.21 e
r.

M.4::1=

'

orr:
e2.:1=41:Itz-rm

I
.

2==.1:4

j:::esstniz Rygia_ .. . . . . . ... .... ... ...... .. .. .. .................. .............................................

1
_Gimi m..waz........MS= :

POrwarded herewith ie a contact report on a recent

Meeting wtth ASE1DE14 The report contains 3oma interesting
ingormation an :UTILITY and the position of :CATIftyia.the
German government.

.ATTACEEMENT:
Contaqt.Report dated 25 October 1965
.NDISTRIBUTION:
1\- CrEE lw/loy att h/w
2 COS/Germany/Bonn w/1 ay att hfw
2 - CiBenn Ops Base w/1 cy att h/w

6ECLASSfitEl Et RELEASED DI
CER1R AI ItIVAL !SPICE AGENC1
SOURCESKUMSEXEMPT ION 3B2E
GROUP I
NA/ 11,01R CR IMES 0 I SCLOSURE ACI
EXCLUDED PRCH AUTOMATIC
0A1E 2005
DOWNGRADING AND.. DECLASSIiICATION

31A1/4

2 November 1365

EGA f2362
CLtVrCfl
SECRET/SW*

":3

-2

eFf
. .

. ..

"Th

%do 4.. at

-..

111111r
OONTACT.REFORT
C-
-73 land1SEIDELI
Bruecke-.-25 October 1965, 1210 - 2500 hours

: .

The meeting was schedeied by me by telephone on 22!,20

October. The purpose was to obtain additional information.
on the Bundeswehr SIGINT deserter whom .VIDEVhad previously
men#Oned to me. This topic was covered-Watisfactorily, and
Agpmthen Went on to volunteer information on other highly
interesting topics, The details are outlined below.
2. I am quite surprised at SIDELjs desire to talk
confidentially.to:me. We are not regular liaison partners,.
and .have never, Seen .a great deal . of each.other socially,
although he . haS.been.at.my home on three or four occasions.
However, ViDkIbhas practically gushed information the last
two times I have seen him, and today he even _debriefed himself
onIi4aWthei:41A=ARI UTILITY. Other thim-DROM no one
irOCATID)Phas ever talked so unreservedly to me.

3. I have the .impression

lationship With UTILITY is. not at all a gO-8d-One. - He spoke
of UTILITY with coesiderabie.bitterness. I believe also that
quite_aisappointed in not having been appointed
"tiriecceed HEUKEW> One excuse for this we have heard is
that UTILITY xelt e could not appoiniSEIbEqIwithout cpening.
himsnI o charges of tepotisii Howevei;-this excuse does
rlj63g
not
at all true view of the notorious way UTILITY
has taken care cfigi*.etherilatiVeS
-"
4. For the first hour of our meeting, #430tiand I
talked only about personal topics. 4.70LdeiCribed his
boyhood in 01:1:4; his .family's conservatism,his original
study Of law, and later transfer to the'Army,. and his service
On the east front and in Rastehburg. 4',EIM)seems to have
been.extraordinarily well connected ie-tfire -German officer
corps and tossed around names like Blomberg, Keitel, Busch,
-Hdusinger, Speideland many others as if they Were the folks
next door. yeidirls family doubtlessly accounts for many
of these cori-earons, but to a large extent. I expect they
"
are also due to merit on his part. He told one fascinating littleaTigr
w2mmig$
story of seeing.Keitel running like a dog to Hitler's bunker
409
in Rastenburg after Hitler had rung for him.
u

"

4geo#

C riD CT
t

Page - 2

MP

5. Then SEIDEL :talked at some length about the criminal

excesses of the 'Nazi-regime and the difficulty his generation
has.in explaining their actions or lack.of them to the

present young people of Germany. SEIDELtand most other

conservative officers like him have- i ialt complex about
the'Nazi.regime, and are in a quandry to explain their.
service of the regime to their dhildren. Almost every.
.8MIDERA know well has sooner or later given me a monologue
btthis

theme.

6: Finally I got5SEIDEL)down to business by querying

him about rhe.Bundeswehl dederter.. His reply was forwarded
in MUNI 4232. I was quite surprised at his offer to brief
'us unofficially on the case. He alsolnade . a remark abOut
UTILITY being anti-American that surprised me.
tlext..aDgfbrought up the . Breisach Institute
and tAT4ws dealings with Professor Rawer. He talked at
some lengthon this. topid,end recapitulated all his past
about,Breisacbe
discussions with C._ .
At the conclusion -dfhii- iiiiSentatiOn:SEIDEOasked that
]
KUBARK headcheck . into the matter and.see if
.quarters to be more helpful-totATIDton the:project,
definitive
if that were impossible, to at ).et

'
.7IDE::..was4Ordesired.

statement that cooperation withstAT

As aeon as time permits, I will :farfi'aiii iSEIDELs points
to Headquarters by dispatch.
1111:11

I.couregat

711

-CATIDE7MORALE & FUTURE

Cs

:3

HEIDELI

25 Oct 1965

1-1:41n1.;:

I;

8. By this time.EPELI and I had been talking for

. ..laz:..::.
11
to two hours'and . I expected him to takeeaVe * and gOback . wk...
of
. 44045qiu4;4
to his office. However, instead o.doing
so he.suddenly .
Migofa:.-4
switched his conversation to UTILITY and the sorry state
:40.6hotyll
of affairs in tATIDE I neither urged him on nor tried to
.41
shut. him off, and fOr the nextJalf.hour he really,un-axst.Lizt%Ii
bUrdened his soul about what was wrong with4ATIDg le He spok:
in a rather dispassionate mariner, almost as.IT-1-heWere pre- $07davc.L',.:.
senting a'briefing on . the topid. He mentioned a couple of 0ZW41
times that his Views were shared by a large number of other w4g5;t0! '
- Ctrnr .;
discontented and"frustrated officers in VATIDE
v:?;.,...z. _-1:-.4
closeL114

l.

v(

LICE)

1&.SEIDELi

2i

October 196 -

Cdginri

9. :SEIDELstarted by Saytng that UTILITY is burned.ou4

and 'a burden rather . than a help to OATIM-Ife-said that .clgk.,1
programs, set goals; delegate .
UTELIT1 does nOiTii-t-IITiW--authority, sell the OATIDE/ product, defend the. organization
, '
:

C4.

ASA

1.e.

 (..6`

"

"24

rilj
h._

Page -3
politically, or any of the other things a gocd chief of
tATIDE:would'do.. On the contrary, he ignores these matters
and lets the organization drift along without leadership or
any sense of purpose. UTILITY doesnotfaceuli to the major.
problems CATIMfaces, and spends his time with minor orgenizational atia O.rdonnel matters. He will not let anyone . else
make a decision on a matter of' importance, but frequently
1
procrastinates over decisions so lng himself that the
matter becopes academic. before the decision'is made. He
-
7
allows his : diviiiO n chiefs and senior officers :to do as
they pleaseand.work at cross purposes with each other:
He is vary .fearful Of flaps and afraid to assume risks.
He will not tolerate dissenting opinions andsurrodnds
himself with yes Men. He cannot bring himself to dismiss I
hiS.tirectold friends and cronies. He is timid to the
1
politicians in Bonn and creates an unfavorable impression
of , CATIDE . l
-

14=21

Cann

164J1

'

*-- !

.. 10... SEIDElesaid that he thought UTILITY's deline

J
dated.'fromrtheIegalization ofCATIDE;in 1955-56. When
fake on a large number"
OATIDE'Was legalized UTILITY had
:-! I
eif'drganizationalo finandial, and personnel prbblems whick
,he was'ill prepared to handle. UTILITY was also confronted
with a good deal of hostility in Bonn and got into the habit
of being. meek to the politicians. Since that time UTILITY
.has-concentrated on the administrative'and political aspects 1
.of his work and. has been very much afraid to make waves.
.

11. Sp. IM)was especially bitter about4ATIDEs poSitiOn.

in . Bonn.
.
. He said that UTILITY generally gets-ne higher in
the government, hierarchy than Reinhold.Herker. UTILITY
Gerstenmeier and Krone occasionally, but his access
to even these men is not good. Adenauer came, within an .
inch of firing UTILITY at the time of the Spiegel affair.
Erhard.received:UTILITY once and has ignored him ever Since.
Westrick is very standoffish . Strauss will not speak to
i UTILITY; Schroeder is frosty-to him and Von'Hassel is
unavailable. SE4Tigpsaid that the people who counted in
Bonn were aware of the way UTILITY and tATIVtare floundering around, and.iZ UTILITY was not removed it was only because of'his services to Germanysin the years after the
war and in the creating ofCATID .;; However, as soon as
7 T:TTY rea
d the legal age for retirement ('in April 1967),
t""!' b. drop ed with
and could be gracefully C4*Cs;
.little 'ado.
.
.
. 12. Possibly,.:SEIDEL)said, UTILITY might 'be eased out
; even sooner. :WAGNER; c4h6 had long' been treated-in a
.:i humilitating manner by UTILITY, might soon be'retired because
-

,T

4. 5:::
5"

,e4. i!

Z.

f(

" v:

1,4 ra

ik

r.

4??:

Page -

'44,47

2 la.
:

.,.;i
C.
1r

'\
;

he was, m-:uld have

of ill health. His successor',
' 4
to be approved by .,the cabinet; and this.would open-the whole
1
*
question ofSATIDErs leadership. The . cabinet might then
decide . to replace UTILITY along m ith WAGNERi-,Certainly they
would not,
a vide president for CATIDER4ithout giving
some thought to the man who would be his boss forthe
next several years.

.I,commented at this point that I had heard rumors

that.WARTWICWould be appointed the next'vice.president of
SAXIDEEIDEL"yeplied that he had heard the same rumors
Od . cciuld'erdly thin)c of anyone less qualified. He said

: RABTWId . was "charakterlos" and. had gotten where he was only

sildking up to UTILITY. i.,ElDEL>sdded that KUBARK would
do well not to put' too- much -cOnfidence inOARTWIS )Since he
had no principles and would' always be quidie-tci -ti im his sails
to the direction of the wind.
14. l_then asked who .V.IDELthought would replace
UTILITY. .SpIDELsaid he believid it would be a young.
rise, probably,the protege of some4important
politician
political figure in Bonn. SVIDEINdded thatAdenader had
once considered giving, the fVffitin to.his aide, Bachthann,,or

to a protege named Bach (phon)-. :BEIDEisaid that there are

a number of other clevei, and deseiVing - ioung,politicians.
. %..1 . ..z._
in Bonn who would.be interested in the: .W.TMEAMb, and the .
'1 '..?.)::-.,
Bonn politicuno would favor anappointMent -of this type
after . the UTILITY years. SEIDEW:saidthat he himself thought.

that a political appointee;'-irit . were the right man, would

be. an excellent solution, for VATIbt.'. It would at 'least .

4,necessitate: a fresh look at everything.
-:- -...a
(t= -":*.!
__.7 a SEIDEL? 25 October 1955
C.-__
J3'
C__
. !:t
Or -,-.2.i..

. . - .. .. .tn ..P. .
15. .LSEPWthen.went on toiay,that he doubted very
fflyza4
much that the politicians would want an.active duty. General
. .also doubted that General Gerhard
to have the job. SBIDE W
Wessel would take the job even if it were offered to him.
'.,
Stip EL:,:L said that he has known Wessel*well . far. many years end getgag:
during his last trip to Washington stopped to-see Wessel.
with the intention of sounding . him out on his views regarding maiG.
Wessel was not at haste, but his wife, whom SEIDEL.
pmpg.
. . 'i
also knows well, said that Wessel was not interesteein --- . . rtasszio
coming back to Munich. She said proudly that her husband
vg.SM ..
was
getting
his third . star and had much , better prospects
1.4 ,
.;., 2.....!.;.;L.:.- - !: :- .7 -.. t.....!......:, ...1..41,42 nf f.tATTIIR .*: She added
that her husband was especially interested in .Grat von
Kielmansegg's job in Paris.
Mr

VteA

.1*
/

R-7

h
%;
tea silent) C

'

.1

rr"

.4:0;4.

:;'
?
4.

:4

ri

Page - 5

...,

E--

7a
.

(Th

liar

: 6 @SEIDEL;

..

25 October 1965

16. SEIDELisaid thatIHOLMIs name was also frequently

mentioned as a possible successor to UTILITY, but.that he

didn't believe there /was any chance at all that HT.Hlwould

be selected. SEIDELIsaid that HOLMiwas closely asseCiated

with the UTILITY reign and that thiswould count heavily
against him.
CI

_=2 (L/CE)

C_

/CASEIDEL( 25 October 1965

swa
17. SEIDEL!then turned to UTILITY's attitude towards
America. He said UTILITY had never been really pro-American,
and at the present time was quite anti-American. SEIDEL.)
said that in the years between 1945 -.49, UTILITY had been
so bitter at the Americans, especially at the US Asmy,
ezrz6
that he came within an inch of breaking with the Americans
completely, and . doubtlessly would have done so if KURARK
'had not assumed responsibility for his organization.
.32a.
SEIDEL/said that @DESSAU/had played an important role in
persuading UTILITY to stay on good terms with the Americans.
diming this period. SEIDEL/added that he knew. -that DESSAUr
.escE
had , since changed and had become a joke in'CATIDEf still,
wates4
we Should remember that DESSAU : was one of the . most proAmerican 'officers -in'CATIDE'and that we had much to thank
t4=c
him for,

f=i)

18. SEIDEL/said that after c

_3 arrival UTILITY.
became more friendly to the US,and remained so for several
years. .Hokever, after CI_ .D departed and CATIDE/was
legalized,. UTILITY again began: to grow cold toward the
United States. He also began to imagine there was a clique
in KUBARK which was out to get him. He attributed all
sorts of misdeeds to this clique, among them sullying his
reputation' in Bonn. When Adenauer tried to fire him, UTILITY
even.concluded.that the .KUBARK clique had put Adenauer up
to this. SEIDELfsaid that he didn't know this positively, )
but believed that UTILITY had once even protested to ASCHAM1
nr
2nabout this KUBARK clique.

AN-42
402.
asiang
i:341

.19. SEIDEL didn't go into details, .but implied that

77 4.4
m++44-nria ha g a native influence
on:CATIDE i s present dealings with us. SEIDEL:said specie.wally.
that if .UTILITY did not give us his report on the Bundeswehr
SIGINT deserter it would be only because of UTILITY's
;i
4st?

wz,

kazd

61:-=

411111S
-

fsgrg

.."16.

f:

a,

Page - 6

rat

'orrsi.

vial

1-rsu dt!
:co

4111101'

anti-Americanism, since all the other responsible CATIDE/'

officers had cleared the report for passing to us:' *'"

29. While discussing UTILITY's attitude toward America,

SEIDEL's reserve slipped a little and he.said with a slight
trace - 9f emotion that KUBARK.should know what is going on in
CATIDEfand that he considered it his duty to tell us. He
also said that he was confident I would know how to handle
his ' information.securely. Then he became dispassionate
again and a short time later stood up and took leave.
We arranged to meet again in_thrle or four weeks to discuss
the Dreisach project, and . SEIDELlagain volunteered to brief
me on the Bundeswehr deserter if UTILITY has not released
his report in the meantime.
21. I was naturally surprised that SEIDELIpassed me
the above information. The last place I 'ever*xpected
to'hear anything like this was-from . a member of UTILITY's,
own family/ . I have the :impression SEIDEZOlas been fretting
'About the situation in CATIDE/for sometime and finally

deOided to.do something about it: I was greatly impressed

with his attitude while he was talking.: He did not want
to be 'cajoled into, talking, thanked for his information,
or assured we would handle his information securely.. He'
seemed to be motivated entirely by his own principles.
22. I do not.think.SE/DEkcould be turnedinto)a
regular source of incompatible information on CATIDE;.
However, he knows that I have a sympathetic e ar,
.
e and I will
give him plenty of opportunity to tell me anything else he
wants us to know. If things started_taking a wrong turn in
Germany, I have the feeling that Seidel- might be a very
useful contact for us to have. He 'certainly appears to be
well motivated and to have the courage of his convictions.

23. I believe that, the information.SEIDEL/fitrnished

is all or in large part. true. OBROCk /has,provided a
virtually identical description of CATIDEls troubles, and
@STURM:and @RITTERihave . furnished partial descriptions along
the same lines.'

7
;.

tt.:

efirib

1 I
I

DES P AT C H

cussuicknoft

PROCESSING ACTION

.
C

FL F T MOW Mar

mums mamma

TO

rHIFF .
Ym

EF

NO 01000110 MOIRE

'CHIEF,'MUNICH LIAISON.BASE

014T QUALITIC0 COE

CM

Nost

INOCON0

----.-tallEy--Wilt-CIAERArIPMSUSE----

C'4I

OF,qATI n N, GERMANY
.CAT IDS

___

A r....

MEcTTNG WITH Trummik

- , ,.!. 1

micsortus

DFCFMAFR 1qA;

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCCS

,

I. FURTHER MEETINGS HAVE BEEN HELD RE.CAT1DE ; (ET

AT HIGH GOVERNMENTAL LEVELS AT WHICH DECISION MA' NOT TO
.
CUT,
_-

_7
UT! IT? . .L OUT cr-
ASSURED ME TREND
CASE AND UTILITY'S STRONG REACTIO TO IT
.BACK TO NORMAL.
NOW VERY MUCH IN DIRECTION BRING1N , .1 - .
REGRETTED SEVERITY UTILITY REACTION BUT.SMILINGLY COMMENTED
"JUPITER FEELS HE HAS TO THROW A FEW BOLTS NOW AND THEN."
STRONGLY ADVISED THAT'VE . REFUTE UTILITY NOTION THAT OUR
AGENCY ACTED WITH "BOESER ABSICHT." : SAID IT WOULD BE
USELESS TO ARGUE THAT CASE IN SOME RESPECTS NOT A FLAP BUT

2.,IORGAU3HAD LONG TALK WI

THERE SHOULD BE NO MISTAKE ABOUT OUR PURPOSE.

3.
CHANNEL

INTEND DISPATCH LETTER TO

UTILITY...THROUGH:100ft

_3 DRAFTS-IARLY
THEN FINALLY BE PUT TO REST
.
DURING MEETING WITH UTILITY 20 DECEMBER.

BASED ON C--.
ASSUME CASE WILL
NEXT WEEK.

....

DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
C/ EE
C/MLB
BY POUCH
C/BONN

iiF:FEISIs.la;OLDALs:D
RELEASER

GX.E1,111PCTEIOA:3:C
2E

NAZIWARCRINEPOISCLOSURE
PATE 2005

CROSS REFERENCE To

e.-

..

. -.

10

GWA-70

CLASS/HCATION

:IP1004114/

:et.;

-.............

IECEMBER 196
HQs nu

.
TAL

mt.70./

..
(
oet

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND Human

SECRE

Ad1

NUMBER

veir

155/GEHLEN, Rein. d

E7

10 Dec 65

C-

told juLipterestipr tale about the "Doctor". He

had been in London and bought himself a hat because be-wanted
something different from the usual German style hat. .Atter
some time his wife took it to the cleaner to be cleaned and
ish label out, ut his stors
blocked. The cleaner took e
ermab_in
_label in and
or is a bit unhappy to say the least.
upea

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED IlY

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
SOUR C E SVETHODSEXEMP1ION382E AAA
N

AZ I WAR CIIIRES DI 9CLOSURG A

DATE 2005
1

ViVte
44

, ,,,,i.zi44,.., AT; , .
....0...,:.:...t.I. ,..41,
.
. ;lilt"; U TILITY:. fukcil
"-",....
. :ii.ilir. ..slie ea_..htiined: ....up_ ,
thesiratteito th e :: rri.ioap 1( ...F,17fTERSTEN abOut our surfacing
. : 5'sai d. that . th
. . h ad..been.....quite ..--ii`iii...ti ..... t.O.::UTILITY'
..e7rieil C
. ..4.),
-abbut, the matter,
. .. U TII,I;TY. ,,: dames ,: hoine
when '..
.he...was . raging. an orrat..XLIBARK.
..This led
-;t:O: Ai s ".:emo tiOnallfehiViOur, issuance
of new securirv reguIktI;Ons..,...'etd.:
.
4.
.....

..
'..:v:. 7.;*.s:L.I.:, have the.. distinct
i.Fpre.ssion that we unwit-ting1y
-4ilaYedaitto-xthe-.;hirideof.thOrVACikenittlis
...

matter, Instead
'..cif.lworkingOonestl4With
clear up the
. .:*.eil.80.1tA, ..
17,terOhysemito- have-used our material
.o provoke .. .
r
--.,

.
.
.
.
.
t1 t
..A.1) ;"...,
-7't :)',..7
- .!i7
.''-k.
.
tv.".
1::::LI:j.,...e.litI,1-,,,exyAr,
..
*ALT..:;,;--4.!,$`4.:,..,..' '.1...-- -
,,:,,,,.;;;;Z:,,,,..:.,::<,,,,e2-* .:...41...*Ii.i. %.4.4-31",,%. 46",t,',..
,1=4 ..:...,:.,...1m.114;,, ViZt741'.
.!:^
.

.,

-ft.- .

AnY
-fslisutV
:`

w or

J;tlin
L "Ce
. U:b411;:Orire
ZS'1,
Cari
t;i:? :4CTI
7

"

c.

ac,p,

, 77,-:-- ,-:..; *.../
-- ;%**4:,
-%k:
.* **..- " %
-

,,a ",:,!...4 t

'
?I. ifir,

44;.."......4.';`,71

..TW,.:--.;,5,$.

DEC LASSIFIED

AND RELEASED
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE

Of;

,./**

I 77 ,

7!

AG(N,P1

SGIIICESMETITODSEXEIJHON3B
NAZI W. :IR CR INES
DI SCLOSURE ACIIJJ
SATE 2005

.4_
C
/./

PAUSLE
COPY
1
BES

/
1.4.

..0.1:4',e i t

GI...?
"

"" I

/-/

TO

.r
DI S P AT CH' Ts
L:

PROCESSING ACTION

CLASSIFIC.ATna

TAINEINSMennap

HARM TOR iNOCDRO

A/lCHItF, MLB ATTIN17-_-

110 INOCCING RERDIRTO

CHIEF OF BASF, BONN

FROm

ORLY QUALIFIED DESK

CAR Ma INOOCIND

CHIEF OF STATION, GERMANY

sm "AEETING
ACT I ON R

WITH UTILITY,

20

MICROFILM

DECEMBER 1965

MIRED REPER CHM

1.

UTILITY BEGAN BY ACKNOWLEDGING RECEIPT LETTER ABOUT

CASE, WHICH HE SAID HE APPRECIATED. HE DOES NOT
WISH TO DISCUSS THE MATTER FURTHER. HE MADE IT CLEAR THAT
HE STILL FEELS THAT WE ATTEMPTED TO EXPLOIT THIS CASE TO HIS
DISADVANTAGE. THIS IS EXACTLY THE WAY WE BROUGHT THE SON-IN-'LAW CASE TO A CLOSE.

2. UTILITY THEN SAID THAT THE CHANGES THAT HE PROPOSED

MAKING IN THE WAY WE CONDUCT LIAISON ARE IN NO WAY INTENDED
TO DIMINISH THE EXCHANGE OF MATERIALS AND VIEWS BUT HAVE AS
THEIR SOLE PURPOSE THE TIDYING UP OF A RELATIONSHIP WHICH HAS
GROWN SOMEWHAT BEYOND BOUNDS. HE ALSO SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT
PRESUME TELL US HOW STAFF MLB, HE THEN TURNED TO HOLM WHO
READ FROM A TYPED MEMORANDUM-A. THEY INTEND TO LIST THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE

WILL NORMALLY DO BUSINESS. WE MAY CONTACT THESE

MEETINGS
INDIVIDUALS WHENEVER WE HAVE REASON TO DO SO.
WILL ORDINARILY TAKE PLACE IN THE COMPOUND. IF IT IS
NECESSARY TO HAVE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ATTEND A GIVEN
MEETING BECAUSE OF THEIR SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE THEY
MAY BE BROUGHT IN ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT NO CONTINUING CONTACT WITH US HAS THEREBY BEEN ESTABLISHED.

B. AFTER tATIDE'HAS GIVEN US A LIST OF THEIR

ext
CONTACT PERSONNEL THEY EXPECT THAT WE WILL TELL THEM
WHO ON OUR SIDE WILL BE CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN THESE,. Am1p.i,
VARIOUS FIELDS.
.h.;;AN
rt? 9 %:;:t
1:51%k
7.4R

DISTRIBUTION
BY TAPE
C/EE
AC/MLB
BY POUCH
COB/BONN

4t

uvw 1
Ettlefrl fru urbiesti
do ngradleg 1111
40,13111e4llos

/CONTINUED/
RtrcRcNci , To

EGWA -75

DATE

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMB CR

21 DECEMBER 1965
HQS FILE NUMBER

etAssanc.ATION

SEC

RE

T/OgeggaaMP

019
ORIGINATING'

EXT.

TY PI ST

OFFICER

orna

COORDINATING
DECLASSIFIED.AND

WM&hil.4001

OFFICCR'i NAME

DATE

CENTRAL INTELL1GE NCE ADENC

EOGRCESMETHIGEXE 4P1 ION-302
kAZ 1? CR TI4ES11G :LOGURE AC
DATE 2305

at

RELEASING
DATE

OFFICE SYmBOL

(40)

;.674 53 use pRevious EDITION.

OFFICER'S SIGNATURE

I DISPATCH

. ? ..1

e-G-u)11 rt6

CONTINUATION OF
sxsxs %%AT CH

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND HUMBER

CLASSIFICATION
Ii

SECRET/R YBAT

EGWA., 75'

PAGE TWO

C. SOME KIND OF REGULATION CONCERNING SOCIAL

CONTACT I IN THE MILL... UTILITY SAIDTHAT HE'WILL BE
READY TO DISCUSS IT EARLY IN JANUARY.. I SAID THAT I
WOULD BE READY IN FEBRUARY AFTER MY WASHINGTON VISIT
AND
-I'S RETURN. THIS DATE ACCEPTED WITH ALACRITY.

3. I ASKED WHETHER THEY CONSIDERED THAT ANY CF OUR

OFFICERS WERE CALLING FOR MEETINGS TOO FREQUENTLY, MENTIONING
SPECIFICALLY THE THREE MILITARY . LIAISMLOFFUCERS ASSIGNED:TO
'THE BASE WHO MAY BE SOMEWHAT UNDER-EMPLOYED AND THEREFORE
OVER-ANXIOUS FOR CONTACT. YIPLMHSTOUTLY DENIED THAT THIS
WAS OF ANY CONCERN TO THEM SAYING THAT BUSINESS'CONTACTS IN
ALL CATEGORIES OF WORK IN WHICH WE ARE ENGAGED ARE MOST
WELCOME.

4, AT THAT CONCLUSION OF'THE SESSIDWI SAID THAT I

REGARDED AS.. ESSENTIAL THAT,INTENSE.OFFICIAL AND'SOCIAL.:CONTACT
BE MAINTAINED, BECAUSE KUBARK. MUST HAVE ACCESS TO OATIDE IN
SOME DEPTH IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT ITS RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN
THE LARGE, COMPETATIVE, AND ACTIVE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY, I EMPHASIZED THAT IN ' ORDER.TO PLAY THE LEADING
ROLE WE MUST HAVE ANSWERS.TO MANY QUESTIONS AND WE MUST BE
ABLE TO STATE OUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE NATURE OF CATIDE'S
WORK'ON THE BASIS OF SOUND KNOWLEDGE, IF LIAISON CONTACT
. WERE CUT BACK TOO FAR THE LOSS TO . CATIDE . WITHIN THE AMERICANGERMAN INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WOULD BE A . NOTICEABLE ONE. UTILITY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND AGREED:

5. AFTER LUNCH WITH -HUM AND UTILITY AND WHILE WAITING

TO BE PICKED UP I ASKED HOLM WHAT HIS GUESS IS ABOUT THE
FUTURE UTILIZATION OF THE BRUECKE. HE REPLIED THAT WHEREAS
THERE IS NO DOUBT BUT THAT UTILITY WANTS TO HAVE EXCHANGES
TAKE PLACE IN THE COMPOUND THIS MAT NOT ALWAYS PROVE TO BE
CONVENIENT AND THEREFORE THEY MAY FROM TIME TO TIME WISH TO
MEET AT THE BRMECKE. HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS
OUT DURING THE NEXT MONTH OR SIX WEEKS.AND THEN ON THE BASIS
OF EXPERIENCE WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER THE BRUECKE HAS A . FUTURE.

PACIEWO.

CLASSIFICATION
FORM

a- 4 53a
1401

use,pR [VIOL* COITION.

ECRET/R . Y

B:A T

CONTINUZ0

I" IPA

PROCESSING
. . ACTION

Cl..A.STATICAION

61.14rKED TOI IRUU1102

MOMMOSECRET

,-

110 1110CXING rEqU.IIT.D

mu' Qukinth

COS/GERMANY C/BONN ops BASE

i
-

ACTING

CAN MGT MOT.Xisq

CHIEF /MUNICH.LIAISON BASE

CROflI

716604iiicet

P. TIOTT REQU IRED KFCRDCES

EGWA 15
_ . ALIASWINTERSTEIN_APPROACHEO ME DURING-CHRISTMAS PARTY ON
--1 CASE
1511ECEMBER AND PASSED SOME INTERESTING INFO ABOUT L
AND'.UTTLITY I S REACTION TO IT.

J.WINTERSTEIN-SAID WE HAD MADE MAJOR MISTAKE IN SURFACING

CASE . 113,TRENCH, _HE SAID CASE WAS QUOTE EIN GEFUNDENES FRESSEN
.
WNQUM:FORIRENCH, WHEN UTILITY WENT PARISCHIEFJRENCH SERVICE
:Otar:HIMH_KMBARK OBVIOUSLY TRYJNG.USE CASEZTO PROVOKE DIFFICULTIES.
KANDiDRtVE.WEDGE BETWEEN FRENCH - AND:GERMAWSERVICES; HOWEVER,
1,
7GERMANSAWfRENCH . SHOULD PRESENT COMMON FRONT TO'OUTSIDERS
li
y'll*NOtLET THEMSELVES BE SPLIT BY NON-EUROPEAN POWER.
r"!''''.g.,:in:.' ,
,i,f134,' .UT I.LITY

RETURNED FROM PARtS IN VERY ANTI-AMERICAN MOOD,

NOW LIVING PARIS AND MAY WELL HAVE CONTRIBUTED
1 1;OMIMENT
0- 64HIS.PPONi.UTILITY I S ARRIVAL MUNICH NUMBER ANTI-AMERICAN
.Y.OFF.:ICERSANCATIDE PUMPED HIM-FULL DISTORTED STORIES.ABOUT BRUECKE,
AARGEAUMBER.:CATIDERS.WHO FREQUENT 1T, AND SECURITY DANGER THIS
RESENTWATILiTY ALWAYS * SUSCEPTIBLE THIS TYPE OF INFLUENCE AND
.
03E12TEVES p.WH0EVER TALKS TO HIM LAST, RESULT WAS HIS EMOTIONAL
1 ; .OUTBUItl.TNEW'S.ECURITY DECREE, ETC'. .

1JRIED . ELICIT NAMES ANTI-AMERICAN OFFICERS WHO INFLUENCED

AMTr:BUT'MINTERSTEIN DAD NOT PROVIDE ANY. MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT
.
07 HEY1NCLUDED ALIkS'BOHLEN AND ALIAS MOLTEN . LATTER IS:WINTER- . .,
ATE4 1.:SMOMINALCHIEFAND BITTER COMPETITOR-.
,,,
. ..-.:;:., g.

' ". -:..

. ,. .

,, ,i
v

' ;:7.,0JSTRIBUTION' BY-TAPE

.
' -.
.
I ".C.C/EE .
-COS'/GERMANy
....C/BONN OPS BASE
4:4
..,',!,07.::. %:.1-,.....

,..g

ft z.:,..z

)ii:1:
T7-4''
'

'

LA SS/I

UMW 1

FIEIT AND

....

RE LEASEG B1
E1 lt,7,79:11
0 ri
4
CENTR1L 101---.LLtrtr..

::... '.:, ,

'

5.

lk

- . ..

..

..,::,., ....'

:.;.-

7,4 ' /

". '

SGURCESHET0DSEXENPINiti 382E
NAZF WAIi CIZIIMES 0 li
5C1f1S1IRE iftEli_
,.
N

am

1.4-)-5-

_1 .L...EGMA
. c

...1

'g
''''''

. ,

DECEMBER 1965

6773.9
CI ASSil CA I 1011

HosikE HUMDZR

SECRETWeEralr
(.-,'.,----',,
,- .

'7..

e C;

ILY.,...-.,,..)

-.--

.;

E6--no

61737

..

Isl.:cz:--:;."14,..c:".
;...-'..:....:%:C.ONTINUATION. OF
DISPATCH

et.A5foroCATION
.

I ENVATCPI tY1010t.

NUMI.EN

SECRET /CE=10 .

GMA 67739 PAGE 2

.::,

Vei TO MY. KNOWLEDGE THIS IS CLOSEST ANY SENOR ,CATIDER HAS

COME TO: CONF IRMING THERE IS ANTI-AMERICAN CLIQUE IN CAME..
6`; 34INTERSTE IN AGAIN SA ID HE THOUGHT LIAISON SITUATION WOULD
BACK TO NORMAL. HE ADVISED. THAT IN ANY FUTURE

d.FIlktiUALLY DRIFT

NEGOTIAT.IONS ABOUT BRUECKE WE STRESS OUR WILLINGNESS TO LET

:CATIDE:SECUR I TY OFF ICE SELECT AND LIMIT NUMBER OF -CAT IDERS: WHO
11OULD:BE, : PERMITTED USE BRUECKE.

f. :

fr:'

:..

DJP.

'

il+aSSIFICATION

PROCESSING ACTION

.
x

SECRET/ 0MM

TC' ) 6/

EE .

RO MOMS REQUIRED

"OS/GER
MANY - C/BONN OPS BASE
m

KURD NA MOOCING

ORLI QUALIFIED MK
CAM MORE IROCCING

'

WcTING CHIEF/MUNICH LIAISON

WWMT

matomm

ZATIDE.
ILITY'S FUTURE PLANS

ACTION REQUIRED. REFERENCES

1. DURING MY DINNER PARTY 0N17 DECEMBER UTILITY MADE A

FEW INTERESTING COMMENTS TO MY WIFE ABOUT HIS FUTURE PLANS,
HE SAID THAT HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, WHO ATTENDED IN LIEU OF
HIS WIFE, WAS VERY DEAR TO HIM, AND THAT HE AND HIS WIFE
PLANNED.TO BUILD A HOME FOR HER AND THEIR SON IN THE STARNBERG
AREA: THEN, UTILITY SAID, WHEN HE RETIRED QUOTE IN THREE OR
V..0')
FOUR YEARa_UNQUOTE,THE FOUR OF TH ETVWCIS tE ABLE T0 SPEND
MORETIME TOGETH5R.
.
(''
.. .
.,
. 2.
I RECALL THAT ALIAS;BROCk;ONC7 PREDICTED THAT UTILITY
WOULD NEVER LEAVE4ATIDE:NOLUNTARILY. IdROCK ? SAID HE WAS
SURE,UTILITY WOULD STAY 0N UNTIL HE WAS FORtED.TO RETIRE, AND
THEREAFTERMOULD TRY TO CONTINUE RUNNING:CATIDE;THROUGH
HIS
L.....-.. -..
OLD FRIENDS STILL ON ACTIVE SERVICE.

3. UTILITY S,DAUGHTER-IN-LAW IS.ALIASGERSFELD:,, SHE IS

.DAUGHTER..OF ALIAS -BOHLEN'i; CHIEF OF PkTiDE : 10 EtkRITY DIVISION.
-BOHLEN-JS-REPORTEDBE.VERY ANTI'AMERICAN.
ffHAVE HAD NUMBER
CONVEktA
TIONS WIIH GERSFELD DURING LASTTWO-THREE YEARS AND SHE
AT FIRST APPEARED VERrPREJUDICED AGAINST AMERICANS. SHE HAS
RELAXED CONSIDERABLY DURING LAST COUPLE CONVERSATIONS, HOWEVER.
I

4.. UTILITY'S SON/CHRISTOPH/ IS PHYSICIST AND ALSO

EMPLOYEO.WLCATIDECGERSFELDTOLD ME THAT. WHEN HE FINISHED
STUDIES HE,GOT SUCH WONDERFOC OFFER FROM,CATIDEiJHAT HE
COULDN'T .AFFORD TURN IT DOWN. ,GERSFELD'ADDED THAT CHRISTOPH IS
NON-COMPETITIVE PERSON AND THAT SHE GETS ALONG VERY WELL WITH
HIM.

-7

-7

DISTRIBUTION - BY TAPE
2
-C/ EE
2 - COS/GERMANY
2 - C/BONN OPS BASE

,.5,

lit

'4 ..--, '-r/

7.1-A
.; ' ,. I
7:1..071
Ki
-5

.,1-,i1
VI tl-A4
)

0:ra...4 .'

1214,

W. :41 ::

C';I:v.

th vi tj. :4 .4".

OW II) AND NEL EASED

. 4

I.

_m ini

NAZI

WCHLIALO

CROSS REFERENCE TO

12-2-28/11

..i',;-:..:-..:

1114f$ DI

A SENC)

SCLOSURE

KINSER

EGMA 67740
CLASSIFICATION

S CRETAEZIMMW

.-0.

Eus 61."?

1.-11:141

"r2:11""
"*w

AC)
mn

DECEMBER 22, 1965

HQS

pLE Kumacq.e)
,./.U.c.

i1
.

4= EXPT:r;43.3:E
WAR CR

'

.1

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBCH

CLASSIPICAT/ON

CONTINUATION OF

DISPATCH

'S ECRET RESEMBP

EG

-, 6,,40 PAGE TWO

5. ALIASaOLKWAS . QUITE OBSEQUIOUS TO UTILITY' DURING

PARTY. 'HE JUMPED UP TO LIGHT UTILITY'S CIGAR, FETCH. HIS
CHRISTMAS PRESENTS, ETC. 1 WAS' QUITE SURPRISED SUCH BEHAVIOUR
M.9.01g.PART.

530

CLASSIFICATION

PAOC NO.

USIC PR iv IOLIS COITION.

. E
1

CONTIN4C0
I

].e;'*n,T=4

0...R.SSAPICATION

PROCESSING ACTV:IN

f 'PATCH

..

WINED ROI IKIRERTRQ

.CMItF/EE-

PO UMIAK ttiEU.RED

COS/GERMANY

I.

OKE EISIPLI nED DOR

GA NOCE 1ROEXIK

C/BONN OPS BASE

-ACTING ' CHIEF /MUNICH.LIAISON BASE

DACE
5:6Sigga 's:CAT I DE .T..

wicionus

A&ItOti REQUIRED REFERENGES

EGWA
i

ALIAS WI NTERSTE IN APPROACHED ME DUR I NG- . CHR I STMAS PARTY ON

1 CASE
AND PASSED SOME INTERESTING I NFO ABOUTL
I TY I S REACTION TO IT.

AND
.

18 I7ECEMBER

I NTERSTE IN SAID WE HAD MADE MAJOR MI STAKE IN SURFACING

HE SAID CASE WAS QUOTE EIN GEFUNDENES FRESS EN
CASE . fu. RENCH:
WHEN UTILITY WENT PARIS CHIEF FRENCH SERVICE
UNQUOTE:: FOR FRENCH.
.'T.OLI.11 :H I M : i(UtARIC OBVIOUSLY TRYING USE CASE_ TO PROVOKE DIFFICULTIES
HOWEVER,
ND,OR1 : VEI WEDGE BETWEEN FRENCH AND GERMAN SERVICES
.-.=:GERMAt4S; . ANO::FRENCH SHOULD PRESENT COMMON FRONT TO OUTSIDERS
BE SPLIT BY NON-EUROPEAN POWER.
T THEMSELVES

: !
.
I i

I L I TY RETURNED FROM PAR IS IN VERY ANTI-AMERICAN MOOD,

NOW LIVING PARIS AND MAY WELL HAVE CONTRIBUTED
,UP.cm UT IL I TY 1 S ARRIVAL MUNICH NUMBER ANTI-AMERICAN

1.1

01-1
EF;tcElkSAN :'.cATIDE

PUMPED HIM FULL DISTORTED STORIES ABOUT BRUECKE,

'ARGEAUMBER.CATIDERS WHO FREQUENT IT, AND SECURITY DANGER THIS
RnENTsli:. ' , UTILITY ALWAYS ' SUSCEPTIBLE THIS TYPE OF INFLUENCE AND

!.;45EVIE: V.E.Sg 'WHOEVER

RESULT WAS HIS EMOTIONAL

TALKS TO HIM LAST

OUT:13,U.f.t,J.',:: NEW SECURITY DECREE, ETC'.

:
'
Wify:

LtRIED ELICIT NAMES ANTI-AMERICAN OFFICERS WHO INFLUENCED

NTERSTE IN DID NOT PROVIDE ANY. MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT

2110,TY BUT

74..iTticLUott Atlas BOHLEN AND Al I AS HOLTEN, LATTER IS :W INTER.

BITTER COMPETITOR
Itifl .,!-S'ziNOM I NAL : CHIEF AND
.
.
.

agYki ;I' 0 1 47 .!:I;

'

:7`7=0JC! i,,C.,

. .

:"*. '4 .:; ' ; ' ..' ' .

..
''j , ,

7 s. ' ..

'zDi5TROU- TION :. - BY

..

C.i

TAPE
)-

_,:a!XCOS/GERMANY
2
C/ BONN ,OPS BASE
.

rAc:,,
7..
/:.

v.

ts

t.i

t
,....":S

LASSIII ED
CENTR IL

1.

.r)

57

,
t;;.C,A1

At N 0

;ZOO? I
NELEAS EG El l I L

VOT---.0..!azu:J

,-',SENCI

SOUCESPIET3ODSEXENPTIG63.32E

.-.a

-,

d
k RINPRRIRE
""
at" i g

'''''''' "I`"...

NAZ II WAR, a 1)BiES 81 S ;

C1L GI Sj1 1 RI AEI-

'

:3d5

1.0

c C,

DECEMBER 1965

EGRA 67739

P.SSI /GA 110Pi

ms

NUIMILR

SECRETORtE36

7737

LAwmrocwroon

INVaTC14 LYIP1CL ANU Nli1441EN

SECRET / 407=416.

GMA

67739 PAGE

CAT IDER HAS

5 TO MY KNOWLEDGE THIS IS CLOSEST ANY SENIOR
QUE I N CAT IDE..
COME TO: CONF I RM I NG THERE IS ANTI-AMERICAN CLIQUE
I NIERS TE I N AGAIN SAID HE THOUGHT LIAISON SITUATION
WOULD
!.: GRADUALLY Da I FT . BACK- 0 NORMAL. HE ADVISED. THAT IN ANY FUTURE
NEGOT IAT IONS ABOUT BRUECKE WE STRESS OUR WILLINGNESS TO LET
CATIDE:SECUlk I TY OFF I CE SELECT AND LIMIT NUMBER OF CAT I DERS. WHO
_
.2
WOUL.D .!BE : PERM I TIED USE BRUECKE .

,q,;

"

.;
7; 7

".'

ft:
r:f.17;

.:--...;

im Dezember 1965

In, Names: aller Mitarbeiter

des Bundesuadirichtendienstes und in
Incision Namen wiinsche ich !linen
ankifilich des Weihnuchtsfestes
aufriciaig Gifick zinc! Segen
und :um Neuen la/ire Gesundheit,
DECLASS IF I ED AND RELEASED BY
CENTRAL INTELL !BENCE ENCI

und

SOURCES METHODSEXEMP11014362E
NAZI WAR CRIME DI SCLOSURE ACI
ChTE 2005
Priisidem des Ilundesnachrichtendiensies

C.tlo t vb.*. A s
.k-%s

tck,t

Louat

Generfilleutnum d. Iles.

.11

17
.

D4SPATCH..,1

TO

.Et-RET
S

Chief, Munich Liaisetta Base

WO.
cos,
KtOu

sunacr

PIOCTISINC. AC710.4

CLATUOCAM:44

144.010 (04 IITO(X100

J XX loco

Oermany; Misty,.; Chialte-00.13

Chief, Bova Operations Base'

ISA.',170r4/3.17ATO
u-rrLrty Meeting with Chief,

Ac I low iitcvott0 ainR040:3

mccez Imam

I rt. qv...y.(0 DEA

:Kr./ 0.0(11411

rtA-.7.-A.-

Ref; A. BMW 0824 B. BONN 0961

1. On 22 Deceinteiri. rChisif r.C.AVV,A7;
commented to t!le
undersigned re his re Oaeting vi-th UTILIti. is remarks war,d s

a.; ;ditatjak4tiniover: OIVR'14ti ... plaid that UTILITY

reyeajskt . Vp:Arcrui eirsc#itig *IXTut hit, plitnS ;or taking over.
ing p1 t nS .
fC1:11114kilarn4.6,0.irattek kis staff was
had -*Ix,tem.dy learned -more atrat UTILITY
UTILITY .
reimmled by UTILITY
shing a . joint polic with
Ass
towers. tits.: AttOriiiis7,q9;64404; tarteover and refused tc.. coz-en
hiaiseLf.
,
eiSi etipon deCicIod to take the iuitiative
\lifit- the Inteti.74k.,littels.ti-y. o force teera.TT to agree to ;1 joint
policy ritlitk:(11114:tbd.a1 cwith the Anies unilaternlly. It
Above meager comments that ,CAVAT.A.,
was obvicilliSfr
discusaions. .5(3.11kIEVUIM11.6.1(flikINT IM.K...erer e mos t unatistctrt:ry
and did nat,;:it.ittitt4r4iSid.,:iiiittiim.':..-''
E+

fro*

.has

it8Lq
_

,,
b.. CI

taked.TrPATIT ;;I:ectly, at the

t....:..1.......
for a copy .of the original
.relineet .,' $.%7'
,
.
t, I 0, , via evasive About this question
'," 1 'n . :-.---'-....:,;77.
LC
taut6,40**,....,..: -1-:.
. ..t t..iie he could not make
,
,f--_at;;..T .' ...44-4442 - -. ' -4 le! to :P.AVAT.A::'.::-: Ee said that the
m
:Tetsx. -...k:o,:.:..ic.,..,::t.
i,.. . ,-.:,,..;.in.iii iidiferial wile inFzdoqua te
thiti
4 v:
0rtca1. st*If to produce extra
-14*440
lit.
,:. c.
.
1Cf4lhf"..
'

/Continued/

..
DistrthrlUtert

21

tirg-1 .

.0.)k
c/r

2 - Of.CM .

.V

.>,

REL EAS(WkAapj - Excluded from uutauatic

it: r:LLIGENCE Vilittlittegdirt end dec lass I f
t an

OECLASSIFIEOANO
E NTRAL

-isirrrim Cr;

INE5 DI SC
VALE 2005

tErnassrx aeo mosetn

LOS

'RE i;tC1

com

4 January

sank:408m

ciAsonexncr

I r4()S

1966
____..... _ ..-..._

ECRT

7
,"

s,

. .,;rs:!;:;!:.v..;;-
..
:.1.1

.,

..4,174,v1
."

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

ClASit!IC DON

S E . CRE T

'

4.e ^03.

08 06' :

.-

71:

4.4"

':

.tr

"
..

copies for ICA,VATA:,: , Re refused_ to_ . discuss t hF su e ..:t a nY

and suggested that be and poikra,
s.s it. s (vies tion
in March 1966. PlYnk -afa not km...if why 171 LI TY wan ted
postpone further -driaitssion Lin ti 1 M,arch.

2. Comment: The MbOve Samalariies sal.' that

' ' ..::..r.
.
, ;(.TA;
. ..
apparently was willing to . say- about his mee.t ing 7:1-t1l- 17111...171". ...11:-::... ,:,-4. 7,
W al:: apparent..,..that other. subjects were discussed . From . comments ' :._:.,::,
of other I,CAYATA'.-fii.ff ers particularly l,..
, C-
CAVATAll.:.iChief
ii. .'-"""
....D
.
. ... , .. --
t he meeting was 'inisittiefaCtorY and 1,CATATA....
I )(i I edt.-6- -Obtain . a 1.1 .Y.-
cep c ess I ohs_ on .. ei tablietiing 'a better ..workl bit :re 1 a t lonship with
,. also

K.,A ;r1P .$''..: ,e,00tATA:',11XtOitj-.. tiii.ef Cremarked to the

-'-'--' -f-tis-bOattAuvrt0'
' r. ons tha t he dout?ted::...:
u nders'-*d'--i.eS
gne with . pec.
'f
relations
reie
.1.,
,.
,
.
.
,.
Y.' het.hei- there Nioillit 2 e.ier . biti;:x4iffly 'ilO'S"6 rI6...t ion's between the two,-.' ,:...
.::::.
servi ces as long .4s:;;:the..tyso. .;incinabent..chieis . remained in 4-3 f fi ce;
-,i''''''
he ,old that the . firtO?.
such divirgen-i- personalities
,........, . i iiiiIii.'iihisil
. . 8

. are
....
.
that they wil/ ..ne're.rrrevcily- warm up to each other..

_.

.
_ ... . ,
..
icia to the'
cO
.'
7

.3 ... Any .117.23.:simeentt

ion
re
.
CA
rib
or
E. ' reatt
'intm
a
. .,, . .
.. .....,
above '. meeting lOtitd'aie.7aPpreiciated.
.. : .-!......11.:z..

..1.,

sT-C1
-71

ic2,K-ci
-

CONTACT REPORT

.
with UTILITY

ITTILITY'a office:
,30 December 1965, 1600-1645 hours
5 January 196.6, 1000-1015 hours

1. I am describing both meetings in the same report

because they took place close together and covered about the
same topics.

TE UTILITY

30 Dec. 65

2. The first meeting was scheduled by UTILITY.

made the arrangements and attended also. The only topic discussed was the Spie g el interview with Vladimir Apolonovich
KARPOV about IL
al and Boguslav von BONIN. UTILITY discussed the case in some detail and seemed a little fearful
that KUBARK would swallow the Soviet version of the'HOHIN
case. He furniqhed a written report on the affair and read
aloud the jtATfEC. rebuttal which is to be printed in. the
SViegel., UTfLITY's information was forwarded in ,MUNI 7 4821 coe- =V71.'
and;EGMA-67744.
e;trswatt;cr
3. The second meeting was scheduled by me. I again
made the arrangements throughkpasii, As soon as UTILITY
heard that I wanted to see him, - he invited me to come over
immediately. When I arrived, "@HOlm:was in his office and
stayed throughout the meeting.
1. & UTILITY

38 (Ian . 66

The first topic I brought up was the case of L.

u4
UTILITY mv ls1,,
D in Algeria .
Plemo--A5:-3356t and briefed him a I passed on the background
kgroUrid of
the case. UTILITY said that he was grateful for the information and would put somebody to
, work on the matter right away.
From his comments I expect sCastrop will get the job. I have
sent out
1-4es6 on thisliatter.

Ma7--24

uw,7117,2i

Ggil

4.

'

UT I L ITY

5 Jan . 66
cal

Then I mentioned. our intention . to invite J4A6kerManh'-n

to the States for a briefing on Automatic Data ProciIititg and our need for additional background information on his wife DEC LASSIFIED
AND RELEASED
CENTRAL IVTFLLIGENCE

CPF

AGENCOL,.

SOUCHNET19DSEXEKPTIO4302E
NAZ I WAR
CUNES DI SCLOSURE
AO
EME 2005

C.

berore we coula issue tne invitation. UTILITY said there

would be no difficulty about this and I should work out the
details with,Raitropt He added that he was always interested
in the securitY- W;CATIDE'personnel and receiving security
information about his oiTanization.. He said that even when
we surfaced the allegations about C
:Ito him he had been
grateful to us, although the matter was of course painful to
him in that 0:2.
.D had been a member of his family. UTILITY
concluded by saying we could be assured that he understood
fully the need to investigate every scrap of derogatory information on any of his people.
6. I. replied that nothing at all like this was involved.
We had no derogatory information on *ker.- Mahn:And considered
him.. a highly competent officer. All 'Wit We needed was a
little additional background information so that we could get
'49ki*.nn'the necessary clearance.
7. Then I mentioned-CA 's planned trip to Munich
and 4 hope that either UTILITY or!011olCwould bs able to
meet him. UTILITY said that he would 'certainlylike to meet
-a and if he were in town would not fail to do so. He
added with a smile that he knew from experience that we always
sent our best people
For instance, 'L,M'was
one of the most competent intelligence officers he nad ever.
run across. I said that C
.was a worthy successor to
''-and would certainiSriifihBi'd the tradition. I then
described E
'As work
crisis and work in
the o Wiift*gHous g : Both UTILITY and Hb1M , wiii,6 -a little popeyed
and I's sure will give C
uite a reception.
UTILITY

5 Jan. 66

8.
Then I asked UTILITY if he could tell me anything
new about the Boguslav von BONIN case. UTILITY furnished the
information forwarded in-HMI4858.

egZEC

9. UTILITY seemed in quite good spirits during both

meetings and was friendlier to me than he has ever been before.msumag
___2
He complimented me on my Christmas party, asked about my wife _marggst
and son, and joked a little about the Wisconsin cheese I gave Was7116
him for a Christmas present. eoiM seemed quite relaxed also. =um

LICCC
Distribution:
Orig 6 2 - 801
.
UTILITY
1 - 847, 829 C/R chrono
3 - extracting

S.ECJ0-

Gaglion
egt920
BARI

0L

cied ...04.zeiecituzer
.frapic14..474/
-cei
ccsteicW:zez

A.Z
e966
Seec.f.

warn. CIPoAre.lagece
'
risse
SasdoseoI oc4o

...M.,.
..92.../g: 2.96

c;
D ECLASS IF I ED
AP I

DEL EASED EY
CEIVIRAL IZTELLISENCE ASE.NC1
SOURCESKETHOOSEXEIFT:Si.i 33
. 2E
NAZI WAR CP
NES DI 5CIO
ARE AC Ii
LATE 2205

'C..

v.)

CONTACT REPORT

UTILITY'S New Year's Party

6AiIDE-Compound

21. January 1966, 1900 - 2245 hours

1. The annual CATIDE New Year's party for the ICISB

liaison staff took place in House 37 of the t S.ATIDE Compound
on 21. January. It was quite-a pleasant affair. -- The reception
rooms were well set up, the dinner was catered by a very
good restaurant, and the wines and chaunpagne.were first rate.

CAT= entertainment has tended to get a little flossier

.in . iedent years and I attribute this to the efforts of

140ELLM.

2; Everybody of any consequence in CATIDE was present

at the party; I assume UTILITY ordered a full turnout.
On our side, the number of participants was much smaller,
.7s and, 1:-.7
due to
lei trips to the USA and the
absence -of , a. few other MLR staffers.
3. UTILITY made a warm little speech at the start
of the evening . and obviously tried to be a good host. He
sought me out for a short conversation about the SDECE
scandal in Paris, but there was so much noise in the
reception room that I couldn't follow his words very well.
Later UTILITY escorted my wife to dinner and talked to her
about an hour, mostly about DeGaille and President Johnson's

asma

(S=41)
ezEsZ)

proposals for changing the American Constitution UTILITY

seems to like to talk to my wife. Afterwards he circulated

around and chatted with the other HLB attendees and their
wives.

Distribution:
Orig 6 2 - 801.
- 155/UTILITY
1 - 829 Contact Report Chrono
1 - For extracting
1 - 847
DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED rt.
CEKTRAL 11TELL IGEN CE t,':JEKC1
SCLIRCESME -Mr)EXEkPl! ON 3. .02 E
NAZ I WAR CP. IMES 131 SCLOSURE. AC1
DATE 2005

111MC
MCC
&mew
CO20
16168
CZ:2

;
;2
'

11

11,m-

Page two
!c

UTILITY's New Year's Eve Party 21 Jan 66

4. UTILITY' s daughter, Maria Theresa; acted as hostess,

and I hatted With her for an hour or so. She.is.ari intelligent young , woman. She said she Works for CATIDE and her

husband is studying. for his doctorate at the' University of

Munich in the field of Germanistics. Since:this is also
my field, we had plenty. to talk about. She said her husband
would like to came to the USA for a yeer . or so to workaat an
American University, and I told her -I was well plugged in
at the University ofVWinconsin : and would be more than
willing to try to hefP- With- Saholorships, assistantship, etc.
if she were interested. She obVicusly was, but she just
as obviously didn't want to ask for help without hacking
with her father. 'We will see if she brings up the topic again.
.5. I regret that we can't get closer to UTILITY's
'family. He is very close to his children and if we had
friendly relations with some of them I think they would serve as a pro-American influence in the family. As things'
stand now, I suspect that the family atmosphere is a fairly
ncase.
anti-American one, primarily as a result . of.ther.
I noted that both UTILITY' daughter and daughter-in-law
were quite standoffish when 'I first got to know them, but
warmed up quickly after I talked to them a'while. They
are both international in their outlook and I believe
would be quite friendly to Americans if they knew us better.
6. During dinner UTILITY's aide, @EICHENDORF, whispered
a message in UTILITY's ear and UTILITY left the room for a
short time. I expect that something of interest had just .
taken place, possibly in connection with the CAVATA publicity
campaign against the five KGB officers in Bonn.
7. I left the party at 2245. When I took leave I
noticed that UTILITY looked quite tired. Despite this, he
stayed for
for another hour until the last American guest had
gone.
8.

(re
tz..-Px

akTalfm

All in all I thought the party was a good one.

The 'CATIDERS were on their best behaviour and there was

a warm abd - Oonvivial . atmosphere. I think UTILITY went out
of his way to be gracious and show that he still wants,to

work closely with us.

4771
74
co7a.=
agiALA"

.24

/0"'

II

:3

w/VEUFdDili'

2 February, 1966

. 1. ti y . wil'a and I attended . a dir.nir at tho:KU72.12-M I S -.- in their home in

Planegg..:: . - During the eve:11ns liUE.1 1213' informed rv .-4-Ife that he had lunahed
cn.1 ' FcbrUari with the 'A'est . C;irrxvi Ambassdur to liras' (Nun) at a
lasted that ho and ?AWL had become close
rostsur
. ant in Munich. i/(U7
friends d
* uring the period .of:. ).CILP*.f6".il Cut;-.1n i4a:411.1n8ten. when Pt.ULS and
. itil2i:E 13 tated that IrAill.S
were bot)working in the Cerlaan 2r_taney. '1
KU
at the tires held the rank of Ccnsul. /sittit.Ti t:. stated that 'such of the tr_lk
bet4oen NUM and himself Was devoted :Co reMiniecences about the good old
il his :el) as Aoheasaclor to
days in VaBhinz:ten. ?A'JI.1.; conceded that, whe
nti Of social lif.e and his little
n
Israel offers a ch allege,
he has A alniti
. ekpectnnoy that 'many of the Inrcaella will e:thihit any opontaineoue warnth
to ;aim durins -his tour. iiiI4Eti - opoke to -Went= of a. conversation with
:QIYEl. ;SAU durin,g, tha lattor rii. freeent visit to Munich over ChriSLCAS 1545. --kdeordLis to #1,:n2a,',:.-T.--.4dfAU..:- enjoin every minute of his . jot, in t:asiiington
and otetted tt;it - hoti .azi no...desire-ever to eecel:;nei.I. to.t;TEDZ Headquarters
:::.:
....:...i.'
..,
.s.",:...,. . ,
in . a duty Capacity,. hopin3 that he caa .:arr,:e!.on In .*.iaar-hin;..,ten until retirement. '/CUIll iVZ : stated that 1-.13 hit:self tins had a tough tine Cialing. the
adjustr..ent ..tO -hia' present Job in !CATM1:: : aftcr his Wachingtcn tour, adding
that ho has had a difficult tims pie.:trz up the complicated threads of
his present job in addition to reore,anizi:K;; -his personal life, rAra hone,
, ... ,..
etc. Ho, added that. ho, misSes not boine- his c41 boos and tinds it a coma,...2,-.7.,......14.
down toro..a. 11ze that ne mast say 'Ica Sir" to so:;.:')ody le=dlately above
.

.
him... H . statod, 'however, that he respeoth his suporior (he did not mention
: . _ :nano), and added that he has. en . excellent, hard-dorking Burt op.so#,--wo.by
r.
:vhieh . provides hke with good support. 740111C:Z..then opened up the auhjoot of
C.. .J . prospoctilie aosic.n....nont to -Ceelni.. -Uiini whit he referred-to. as
fi...;:wapeper reports of S_ ----- * difficulties wiTh . the no.4.XUBATC: trallegermnt
as A . Point of departur-O for a Cow comae:as about 1:TIIZIY,!.F.U.-418.Stated.
that iffILITV has a nusber of weak points. - lie 'lip:es:gni the hope that a
mt.: P4374` . .Ilvnidnnt might be able to I'Vz;i :Into the orcanliation fresh new
.
idcoi, Vitality, and provide =oh nacdtd direction. 'PJ121X:11 *stated that
.
ono =est, oa the other ha.nd, bear, in nind that: rzy eisicietiOr: to that'l',
whoever he slay be, could ;4011 be a political uppt4nteo . .who misht inae thing's
difficult either thrmk:h a ccusparative lack of tinzierstandinz . of -the busineas
or serlovl errors or crzaisaion Or conslisslon which.. could tr.ike C.ATIDE.-s wish
,..,4
that. UTILITY were lac in the fr,ld. ArActri:2t. put it, UTILITY could then
leak good by conparison. ',Kiil.i..`i.::: stated -tfiathas-had gads' a trip toward the'

.
.
.
.
end of his tour in 1 % .tshingtch during the courao of z4hi0h he touched base
in a nur,l)er of different countries in south hnorien. When I esItod if this
.trip had' been A vacation on ..thien he was ecconpenied b7 his blire;.r.b1"...
1 ips.:...
stated that the trip wile strictly a Dionstreivo; also, that ho ete` j5cd- In,
apong other countrlea, Bolivia, Ports and Auxic:e.
_..

DECLASS/F.1ED AND RE
LEASE1 II?
CE4TRAL INTELLISENN
SOURCESPIE1H0OSEXENVOI-4.392E
kiZt WAR CIMIES
8ISCL05LIRE
EE 2005

1SPATCH

Cli.5StrICATION

sEcRET

NARKED rot

mown

TO *
-

COS/GERMANY - C/EE

NO INDEXING .RIQUIRED

INFO.

ONLY QUALIfICD 01511 .

-

COB/BONN

CAN /DOGE INDEXING

FROM

miaow+
SUD.1

UTILITOIEMARKS To-c

AC N REQUIRED RUE.R6ICO

CTION. - NONE, FOR INFORMATION AND' FILES

1.. IN CONNECTION WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH : CATIDE , CONCERNING OUR

RELATIONS WITH THEK/ENGENDERED BY
mRs. 1CASE/.1FOLLOwING MAY. BE
OF INTEREST. 1NFoRMATION.COMES FRoA.
Z2 ,.WIFE OF C
ALIAS 'XOLLER WHO UNTIL RECENTLY WASCATIDE,OFFICER
bHARED WITH LIAISON WITH AMERICANS. /HE IS NOW AT LANGUAGE SCHOOL
AND WILL BE GOIN,GJO.MILITARY ATTACHE SCHOOL PREPARATORY TO PRESUMED
APPOINTMENT ASiMILITARYATTACHE:TO SAIGON./

2. INFO FROM MRS..

J: CAME FROM A NUMBER OF CONFIDENTIAL
CHATS SHE HAD WITH WIVES OF MLB STAFFERS..
3. AFTER UTILITY . HAD TAKEN HIS RATHER DRASTIC . S0-CALLED INTERIM.
sEcuRiT y MEASURES AGAINST MLB,IL
..'l :WROTE UP A PAPER ON,THE_MATTER.
IT APPARENTLY DEALT WITH RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN KUBARK AND:CAT1DE-AND
THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF RELATIONSHIP AND OF DISTURBING
THEM. J7,_
:PRESENTED THIS PAPER TO UTILITY. THIS LED TO AN
ARGUMENT - AND POSSIBLY'A SHOUTING MATCH. THE HIGH. /0R . LOW/ POINT.OF
'WHAT ARE
IT WAS WHEN UTILITY THREW A HEATED QUESTION AT 112
YOU, A GERMAN OFFICER OR AN AMERICAN OFFICER? QUESTION TO MY WAY OF
THINKING IMPUGNED LOYALTY OF
I, WAS A_DISTINCT'INSULT AND WAS
SO TAKEN BY . L, _INTERESTING IN MRS. C.
_ys RECITAL HAS BEEN
By
THE STATEMENT THAT.E.
BY . C
WAS BACKED UP
_n..ALIAS MOELLER,' HEAD OF FOREIGN LIAISON STAFF.

wx X.0

ttrz.,
Nst=arsi'.

4. AS RESULT-OF ARGUMENT.WITH UTILITY,

RETURNED TO HIS
'HOME DOWNHEARTED. AND DEPRESSED._ HE- COMMENTED TO HIS WIFE THAT HE WAS
GLAD HE-WAS THROUGH WITH WHOLECAT1DgMESS- AND OUT OF THE.BUSINESS:
WHETHER TRIS ACTUALLY MEANS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE BUSINESS OR NOT IS
ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT AT LEAST HE IS NOT UNDER IMMEDIATE SURVEILLANCE
OF UTILITY AT MOMENT.
5.

ABOVE SHOULD BE KEPT IN MIND AS WE FURTHER OBSERVE

a

E
DECLASS/FIE. AND
DISTRIBUTION BY TAINTfiit
ffElt4101 RY
' 2 - COS/G/B
INTELttGENCI
.._..
2 - C/EE
ASEMCY
1 - COB/BONN
::C7;11:11.14ET1g005.01101.!011-182E _.---;-. . ':-.
ti.:;2.
CAnce orrrnrmor ,r,
....:77:
I.cc,-uwaA-61-i;;;Tt
.
T- ATiserionna.
.. . _._
A

EGMA-67166

-j
'

rr T

14 FEB 66
HON TILE NUMBER

ETsfi

E.C7- ti

ISPATCH I

CLASSIFICATION

PROCESSING.

SECRET

ACTION

MARKED !OR INDEXING

.
. .
_

TO

COS/GERMANY

NO INDEXING REQUIRED
ONLY QuAtinto DESK

C/EE -.C/CSB/FRANKFURT

CAN JUDGE INDCY.ING

FROM

SUBJECT

C/MLB
;CATIK:

MICROtIlM

VISIT OF U.S. ARMY GENERAL GAVIN OF SHAPE TO UTILITY

AcipaNREquIRED.Rumpcm

ACTION REQUESTED- COS/GERMANY ADVICE ON PARA

I. INFORMED BY 'Amu LIAISON OFFICERS ON 15 FEB THAT

WAS EXPECTING COURTESY VISIT FROM A "GENERAL GAVIN
SHAPE" ON "FASCH1NG CARNIVAL TUESDAY", I.E. WASHINGTON'S
BIRTHDAY.

UTILITY

OF

2. NOT CLEAR TO '6ATIDE LIAISON OFFICERS, WHO SOMEWHAT PUZZLED

ABOUT VISIT, WHETHER UTILITY AND.GAVIN OLD PERSONAL FRIENDS, OR
WHAT. I SAID I HAD HEARD NOTHING ABOUT VISIT FROM my SIDE. CATIDE
OFFICERS ADDED THAT INFORMATION HAD COME TO UTILITYTROM GERMAN''
SHAPE OFFICFR_ FERDINAND-WOLF VON STUELPNAGELE
WHO LISTED WITH US AS SON
OR NEPHEW OF FORMER GERMAN MILITARY GOVERNOR OF PARIS EXECUTED IN
ROUNDUP OF ANTI-HITLER 20TH OF JULY OFFICERS. VON STUELPNAGEL
INDICATED THAT VISIT MIGHT BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH GENERAL GAVIN'S
ACCIDENTAL PRESENCE IN AREA TO PICK UP AUTOMOBILE.

3. IS VISIT AND PURPOSE KNOW TO ANY ADDRESSEES? OUR OWN

USAREUR LIAISON NOT QUITE ABLE TO PLACE GAVIN WHO BELIEVED TO BE KIN
OF RETIRED GEN. GAVIN.
4. COS/GERMANY- WE STAND .READY EITHER TO-EXTEND ANY
COURTESIES OR STAND ASIDE AND CONSIDER AFFAIR . PERSONAL BETWEEN GAVIN
AND-UTILITY.

DISTRIBUTION BY TAPE
.COS/GERMANY
C/EE'
C/CSB/FRANKFURT

-a

DULASTIF 1 ED OM
RELEASED BY
CENIRAL INTEL!. 16EN CE ASENC1

DISTRIBUTION BY POUCH
1

CROSS REXCRENCE TO

SCIWJSMETAMEXEMP1 ON3B2E
V/41 1411i CR IMES 01 S.CLOSUREAC
Cituor-"-(glued 11010 fictolula
, ttJE 2005
liniment DOd

Ndhtlficelon

DISPA.TdM SYMR01. AND HUMBER

DATE

'

EGMA -68060
Cl ASSIEICATION

SECRET

66
16.FEB
_

MOS lilt NUMIICR

32W-2-28/7

,c

'

DI.SPITCH

aromricAnom

PROCESSING ACTION

SECRE

MARKED TOR INDEXING

TO

CHIEF. MUNICH LIAISON BASE

CHIEF, EE /
CHIEF, CS11,..FRANKFURT

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

INFO. L

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

CAN WM INOCCING

CHIEF OF STATION. GERMANY

INUMUI

suanc-r;CATIDE
'

VISIT OF U. S. ARMY GENERAL GAVIN OF SHAPE TO UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED ' REFERENCE

REFERENCE-- EGMA-68060, DATED 16 FEBRUARY 1966, PARA 4

PLAY IT BY EAR AFTER YOU HAVE RECEIVEDI7

INFORMATION.

DECLASSIF I ED

AND

CENTI?'11. INTELL

RE

LEASED Sr

IGENCE AGENC-1

SOURCESMETHODSEXEMPTION 302E
liAZ I WAR
CR IMES DI SCLOSURE AC.1
, ..
ETE
2005
A'.
.

*.,

DISTRIBUTIONBY TAPE
t-

Cfits
C/EE

C/CSB/FRAN

BY POUCH

cL

'

SFOIF

Ettitierd IrvI
oo wn1t5int:
-atloa

CROSS RErER ,NCE TO

1PjSPATCJI SYMBOL AND NUMBER

EGWA -90
CI. AS !CATION

SECRET

DATE

17 FEBRUARY 1966
HQS FILE NUMBER

'

..

21 Februar y , 1966

1 Der. i'rasident cies Bundesnachrichtendienstes

..negismr;

R-147--A

General Speidel informed me that he had

a very nice meeting. with you in the house.
of senator Rivers. He told Me about the
interesting talks he had, and the pleasant
days he could enjoy during his stay in the
United States.
In view of the fact that the close cooperation
between the United States Intelligence community and our organisation will reach its
20th anniversary in July, I may invite you
to Visit -our 'organisation in the course of
this year. I dan imagine your probably very
tight time schedUle.. So you may fix thedate
yourself in the frathe of your possibilities.
Looking forward to meet you

4r.7
7-fi'
.44;y/4m/i

Dtt L A SGIFTE:0-AND RELEASEU BY

IN TELLIGENCE AGENC)

CENIkAl .

gGMEAMETIOIIEXEMPTION382E

ValW)11

bAtE

CkI NEUDISCLOSURE AC1

li

t%1

7 1:

155/UTILITY

21 Feb 1966

@WINTERSTEIN'

9. Over lunch ,WINTERSTEIN talked about various ,CATIDE.personalities and problems at some length. He spoke very
frankly, almost as if I were another member of CATIDE. He
stated first that UTILITY is continuing his plans to continue
/I
as Chief of CATIDE after his 65th birthday in April 1967.
The redrep government will in all likelihood extend UTILITY
in office. The government values UTILITY's world-wide
reputation and long experience and the politicians do not
desire an intet-party squabble over the naming of his
successor. YWINTERSTEIN said he thought extending _UTILITY 's
term of office would be the best solution for CATIDE, since
only UTILITY could keep strong personalities like @HOLTEN;
-@DEGENHARDT and others in line. WINTERSTEIN, of course, has
ei very good relationship with UTILITY and this doubtlessly
contributes to his readiness to see UTILITY stay on. Few
.:.Other TATIDMS Would share his joy at this prospect.

10.
- WINTERSTEIN went on to say that UTILITY has been
quite a different man . since the UJDROWSY case broke. The
case hurt him very deeply. UTILITY personally trusted
tTDROWSY and did much to advance his career in CATIDE. then
1117DROWSY turned out to be a KGB agent UTILITY's -faith in
human nature and the reliability of his associates was
deeply shaken. WINTERSTEIN said that since the LUJDROWSY
caseUTILITY is S- ecretive and trusts very few peiiple.
ialiTtRSTEIN= added that what I had seen of UTILITY during
the . last years had probably given me a wrong impression
rf"; of the mau. UTILITY was a much better and more vigorous
leaden* a few years ago.

tr. .

, .11,E(AM5IF 1E0 AND RELEASF.1

,t tliffAL INTELL 16E,NE-E At3 E
tliHtE g METI-IODSEXEIMPI ION 3

fHI

VE1CR

1.013

I1ES

SCLOSURE A

TA *IP 11r41

Campo siti On of Runde stag Coemaittee Meet ing

BID&BfV

'

(EGN 2648. 1 Mar 66 f

Rainer BARZFI

Of

:4TIDE/Re1s, Otbir

Actitciei)

CDU

FransJosef STRAUSS of CSU

Frits ERIER . SPD
Friedrich SCHAEFER of

SPD

Erat von KIIEHIIUMSITHIC

.

of IMP

DECLASS1F 1 ED
AND RELEASED RI'
CENTR'iL I 1:-T:LL 16.ENCE ASENC.1
Erd11:,'ESHE .
T1100SEXEMPT ! ON 32E
11/411s1 \11
CR (MES 01 SCLOSURE AC1

(1E 1005

General.Beinhard Gehien
.
President
German Intelligence Service
Dear General Gehlen:.
was very glad to get your letter and most grateful
for your kind invitation to visit tho German Intelligence
Service.. sometime this . year. There is - nothing 1 .would like
to do . more, but.With the -pretient state .of world ;titian; I.
am .finding:it . very difficult.- to travel . anywhere . May I
leave ..it thLt.I Will .take advantage of your invitation A
the . .tiret Efts:at/53.01e -Oppertuitity...and s will of course let you
kncrw
Can. . I . .have . of...course heard a
groat .deal about your Organization . since : taking Over .last
year - mndirealize 'what a;diastolic this twentieth anniversary
of our /stork .:together . will 're-proem:rt. For that reason alone,
this..year.vieuld be . a particularly ..ippropris.te one -. to . vinit
you nd:1 hope it will be . pC:tesibia.
.
.
.
.1 did. indeed thoroughly . enjoy the evening . I spent 41
the company of General Speidel'And would hope very rauchcto
renOwlMy.acquitintance with hira . when I get that chance to
visit. Geran'.
.
Thank you to inuch again for your . thoughtful note. DECLASSIPIED AND . RELEASED BY
CCNIR
SOOR . C

'BENCE AGENCY

Sincerely-,

. SMETPIODS . EXEMPT ION 38 . 2 q "--"

- :r

NAN WAR CR IMF; DISCLOSURE AC1

W.'
11AIE 20US

2% !Inborn
Director

r
DDP/EE/C-

4 March 1966
Distribution:
Orig & 1 - Addressee
2 - DCI
2 - DDP
1 - C/EE
1 - IIT/G

Signature recommended:
7;/ L
liFfilia7170W153TO-CrOF for :Piot'
.4" MARI966
Date

_41
.

C
_ .-,

,"1.,.

4%4:

.'

......

Chief.,n; Chief,
.

_ . 1.

:.

F:o moz:::::-. taro

'

;,.

i 11.1.:.'

4
3

i
!

c.tav ow.u:iten c.r.sir

1::',31 il::::::::: 1:Itia

;Chief, Munich Liafson Base

r-

..

14,77;c7Inzzyzsm..0-m..::..7.7.::zn.

',.

i.

EGWW -91,

2n

Dec'Elmbcr 1OBS

'7

,:.

ACTION REQUIRED: For information only

1

,,

j.,.u.k, opped
611 the first of March 1960, 1....
1.
to HeadqUarters. His
off at the Munich Liaison Base on route -

purpose was to conduct further discussions with UTILITY and

alias Holm:as mentioned in The reference. .
, :. ,
7-1 to a private lunch in his .
2. UTILITY invited L.
head4uarters building. (Alias lio7.0 L 3oined them for coffee and
I came in shortly thereafter for the main business talk with
alias Jiolm,) During their discussions, UTILITY gave .
study 6T a certain crisis situation showing how CATI_Whadpredicted and reported the crisis. Although 1 did not see the .
1 it was a how-did-wP-an-this-;time?
paper, I gather from.0
_Z.111 attention.
round up. UTILITY recOMMended this system to IL
71 the docum'efit known as a
Additionally, UTILITY a
Steuerungshinweise. 43_ .74Idbk-e-d-At.these and discussed them
i:ii Eff interest but did fiot indicate to UTILITY that be had been
getting them for some years through alias iDessaWa _office in .
that we get
Wathington. 1 'do not know whether UTILITY knoWs
...".
them at the Base here as well,
.

i.
!
I

-2

CI

bowed 1:

1
f

Your views onATIDtt:

For C

..

REFERENCE:

!:
,

::cc:.:,;%:.%

i
!

3.._Thereafter, UTILITY withdrew andlip1M1

and 1- ,.._
..
went to,lielm'soffice,We
.
were jeined there by iliasWinter
Stein' Afiaelairitersteintold of the contact with CATIDE
made .
_
__._
by a . -c,
)-o Ilcer last year and gave Us certain other
inforiiration.........This Is reflected in the attached contact report.

'

r-

I.

2
1

-1 Discussions with UTITj'yy...and_Rthe??..CATIDERUL

--..

ft,

ro

.=

...

Chief of Station. German'.

:

ii`::1F.i *

-------.....,........-...........-. :

s
4

'

Distribution:

2- dEE Watt h/w

.

aeicl

2-C/NE w/att h/w

D -COS/Germanv .qa t 11//4
2-G
=1, w/att hiw
Attachment: cOntact renirt
EGMA - .68231

;.
.

....... .

SECRET-..

4.6f;ey_
.
G. March ].S - 6i5

1
!

Si- 3 (113.-.,1.;,
I

. . . .,

-
-

', t

:. ' 1.:'

. I.
F

. . t;.::

..

7.. ---- - -- . -.:

11 :

7
.? ,

CMAYV:M

77,7:iFTalir --- .

'
',.1

--7 r7-7167; - 7 -- ---7" '`"

' ' ' .
.'

' --"'''

f .

C:OC1:411:1A1-1::c.

'

7.7 -.' 7 :

- ----.;---- 1 :. ..'7 .-'-" ...

';, .
l'. .
.:':
..'..
.;'
1 ' ''.

*7,7 - .,!..... " ..-.. .-.. ..- .!.....!''''"'-!'"

''' '

. I) -. ! ;

' ' ',''' f *." '''.'"1

'

;;;;
'

...'

, '
' -,: ,
'
-
t1p. ...

'. : ' ' '
' .
1
::: '' '''\
...6ittl..40ty. t 1.14.4.,mict151,4trfir...,........................:....., ... ...... . --i
`,.
,
.i,'; 1/.;,11:-iXT ELL!
, ; E ! ''
1
r-,E
4' S EN P../,_ .. . i ...%
.(; C. ,. if ;;' r., '1..: ', '4111 TV
1 X C12, ii- i . 1 iii * i d. 2 E
,:'
.
V .2 i. V A iT C k.
.,...
-.
.
...:....... , .;
4, Ei.1-5-GHP:rli-k-E-ACTI---- ........ - '
tiAE 205
i
. .... . ..1

.:44:i74.-------Vin"-." r '-- .

C:?: .

i.

...' . ..'

:.
. . .

-77-Ire'"
, -77"-."7'".-

.:i

''''

1..:::.
: .:
.

11**Zitirv0PrOkY,V;t:.: - ,,,,,

1../df,..7..7Ei:.Efilirrii%7.7.-.7. ' 'A '

I. .
6 9 2 31 PAGE ... TWO

.'.,

13 C it E T
PIA. fAiMra OM tliq ..1 ::.; '

;7 :

!then outlined three areas in which thought

KUBARK and CATIbE':might act in a mutually beneficial way.

;
;

...

' /t 1 . '
. .... -...-......---..-----..- :. SI
'.
'1 .. 14
i

......."'
. "

..'

1
I

71

..

.sad that C3.T:0"Cmight help out *c

certain equipment problems..
:7!p1me curtzested that thc..East German
b. L
.
representative
.2, was vulnerable
r:
to an operation we;e-CATIDntereil'ed.

c. As his third point, c:

.7i3uggested consideration by.C.:ATIDEpf the possibititof the exchange of
information --necintelligonce reports--in the field .
.
between;,CATIDE.and =ARK repreeentatives 'in . , r..
The targef about which information would be e bhangeo In ..
the first instance was the Soviet comthunity in 'C.
.

S. A fourth point came out atthe .suggeitionof.CAtIDE:

This was the possibility of a Closer and more rapid ex'dhahge-of
data during Crisis Periods in theL._.
.

6. The attached contact report fleshes out the above:.

.- has not seen the contact report written from my rather
.
iketChY notes. no may wish to amend or supplement the contact
report.
.

CL

'

As you will see from the attached contact

7.

report, alieeNinteretein'e remarks 'indicate that we should

revise our views in E.GMA 60224, especially about there being no
tCATIDErepresentativc in
:1 We should be most interested
in your feelings, if von have any right now, as to whom might .
be:CATIDE,'S man. 1 supposo we are dealing with a non-official
person ratherthan someone under diplomatic cover. -
-

l'

i
t

. :

\ittft
...--.:-....."..7.,4!,i,,,

S E C. R E '2

4":tt

1 .", ,,".'4 f: fl,

0 irr::/;:,,

', 2
.
.., ,.. 1..............,......- , - . ...- ....

..
.. ,. ,......,...............v..-0:,4,,.:-.....q.c..... 4% t.,......;,:emeityl.lir.c..,,:f.t..4.'..-:ezt

-.

.,

. .

. . ..

/.

0 5.7 :''

A..5.7.

df

5.

K4
' ....,

.. " . ',..;':.':.1.117.!...)

"

()
v . .. 4.

raT.o
CY, c2

ze, .17.-zu: Chief of Station. .7,3..many

4?.?

Ye.?

Tkalattnl . of Lattcr for 1117,L,7.TY

ke:u
Tee?
1.,7,;:r

1. A:thin

y.

alr.r.7,;

iia ttto
tctzavc:licat tf:c.e
of this -;",7ar.
12

V:1

3 1:,.)

3et:7cl- fr=

ccr.TZn*n-.!6
iov1t(Iticsg to__
f_
Un=7

*-4
t:11

:..

TESS4UYrrr onvi.,7

tor,

4:11

Pp::

virslt

2vcrardir7..1.1n:r mr2nr:IV.;

..11:::107..

colaritz

a Ti:. tr frcn

v:=1-11;11C1
.11.7c2rcc4.,71n :tor
'Ul2 - ...1.171trlio:) , but truSic7iZr .n'tt
coe:ca::
zithattcn
:24.!ch.nat
f:ron
even.t
" ,
plaag at t!its
:$'(7) cr.:Drem; n
02'tt,a lavAtatIczr.ttZ12
o::Tortnity r.7.141
to.eti
yow.e. .:?lonce.t.,aas
120:* !l at
17.717Em.
loiter t o
ry c.Til,Ortnnit3.

ttz.:.f.th=ent:.

pls. .
nliV0
tibr fr..-mL ',:3:
Co UNLIT;

.
.
.
A.0b/gifit.lbution:::
-21.'7'..."2..tt'I132 vi)tt p/n/c
rioint-..

COS,

Germany w/o/att

ct,
:

.1

..(4SS . IF I ED AND RELEASED RY

/us,
friTELL.IGENCE AGENC/fre llAgf,,..tESKETHDP,3EXEMPH04392?-)-01-

AL

CRINES a l SCLOSURE

ACT

A'.2505

3..7;:!:::'-1,1Sri.".:

t-q

i;;,

.'f/..w.4

D I S PAT C H

.
TO

CLASSIFICAFION

PROCESSING ACTION
.

SECRET

MARKED FOR INDEXING

.,

Chief, Munich Liaison Base

INFO.

NO

Chief of Base, Bonn ;COS, Germany

'
FROM

WEED

CAN JUDGE INCE:CIRO

Chief
. , ES

SUBJECT

mown

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

MICROFILM

Transmittal of Letter for UTILITY

ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES

1. Alias 13ESSAIT:recently. passed along a letter from

:.]which contained an Invitation to
UTILITY tot...
t_ .Ito visit CATIM headquarters. UTILITY mentions WIDE'S'
in July, but,suggests thatrL :L.-..
fOrthcoming 20th:innive sa
.
fix the most convenient time for the.visit during thecourse '
of this year.
.
.2. We are forwardin under separate cover a letter from
C., 1 . . to UTILITY in whichC J, expresses his appreciation for
thb livitation, but indiCite4 that the current international
situation is such is to revent him from making any travel
plans at this time. C :adeoes. express a desire to take advantage
of the invitation at."the first possible opportunity and the
that it may be posSible't6 do so this year. Please pass
hA
E-7 : s letter to UTILITY at an early opportunity.
'

ry

nn
)

Attachment: als u/s/c

.
Letter from
:ato
...... UTILITY
Distribution:

2 - C/MLB w/att u/s/c

1 - COB, Bonn w/o/att
1 - COS, Germany. w/o/att

DE
CE

Iz

:,..

LAS Siff ED
AND
TR L /NTELL
iCE

ELEASD
E
RY

E /IcE

SEXEMPI 104

CR.INES

95

DIS

!ix

A vEN-

ETHOD

is

11L

. a

CROSS REFERENCE TO

DISPATCH SYMBOL . ANO NUMBER

DATE

.
.

.r

WM-14863

'

'17

CLASSIFICATION

S EC R E

lttlesZiill
_

MO
I

;is

.:.

I:

1
1

.-.1 LI

1 -

Id

.-

131

C.1.....FFICE SYMBOL

NATING
TYPIST

'

DATE

EXT.

3.
-i :it','

E--

5751

COORDINATING
OFFICER'S NAME

MAR

F
i771
.1

R I

..

32W-2-28/4.:/

OFFICE':

EE/G/CE ., .

rx

fli

OFFICE

c/EE/a/CE:
....

--.._.-.,.;

Aide

I'
t/EVTA '' . ;:"

EE

.
.IILP

/O

.."...

'

.(r.&,..,.*

-*

..-1

----

G-.......,.

,
5....

L.......f.:....>L...

',T hi

Li.-'61.,
.._..:..

;': --IA

53 use .RaVIOtill COITION.

C"

:_-_-___
T----

.
.

RELEASING .

' '

.5 / ,

March 1966

14QS FILE NUMBER

.......04.

..=
.

MA R 111.V0

CIMURE /

" CC

sw-40-57-""""TZT"-----omo:R.s
(10)

NAT RE

CAE

..:g.:

! . .
liffolivrr"
A..

ibtit) -

.,

NO CO,I' El YES

crA274

/.^)

NO.

IX...REF TO . F ILE

NO.

'77)
TOTAL COPIES

(1.0()

ORCAMI
mmmom mm ...Mum
mmmm.mm.
mmommmftm
I

SECRET

'0

FILE RIOD RET. TO BRANCH

DESTROY 0 sic.

SIFI ED MESSAGE G./

I FY' TO FILE .NO.

PERSON / UNIT NOTIFIED

REPRODUCTION.Pit6HIEnTED'''

a-

ADVANCE COPY

RID COPY

lit:

FILE ,

UN IT

El SLOTTED

ittUCD

T INC

TUICD

SECRET 311903Z
MUNI INFO GrINY D

: DOST CITE NYDO

C

31HAliii5M87414

PLEASE EXTEND IDE N CONGROULAT fONS TO UTILITY ON HIS

- 13 fliT:IDAY; APR IL 13..

SE CR.ET'

'CFN 1818 APRIL 13 UTILITY

:BT

9,0

DEC1-

k 14 56

Arta

if EL EAsEa t

0-11- cis/

ISE Me;
GEN.Ci
,C(rd7CP,,ifiEllYEXE16: Pi ;Oki 3EI2E
WAP

011

14E

Ill SCLOGURE ACI

PHE ZatIO

5, ot\

BY

J.

C
UNIT : BE/G/CE
Err : 5871
DATE : 31 MAR 6.6

TOTAL COPIESt

ORIG

TO :

DranY

MESSAGE FORM

30
'0

MUNICH

RETURN TO BRANCH

.0

FILE RID

YrarilarrtICXXXXIalfril6ne
ROUTING

INDEX
NO INDEX
PILE IN CS PILE NO.

INFO: GERMANY

WIDE

9 2 7 6 8:

PLS EXTEND BIRTHDAY GREETINGS AND GOOD WISHES TO UTILITY

ON HIS BIRTHAIIY, ON BEHALF OF

"

AND

s i:

END op MESSAGE

SS IF ;TO A .N D
RE LEASED B
. Y
E1)1 TRAt .
I NTECL IGEN CE
k. :13ENCI-

/6.
"-

SOUY:ES.NETHODSEiEtql

q'N 332 E
Z .1 ;J. tN
CR IMES DIS
CLOSURE: AC1
E
0:5*. .

SIT

-3

.C/NE C-

4
3

-3

C/BE/G/CE

L,

COORDINATING OFFICERS

RELEASING OFFICER

SECRET

GROUP I

egNo.osAt

. lAthsted
0.4
.
OctiovIScoll.

REPRODUCTION BY OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED.

AUTHENTICAT I N G

OF

COP"( NO.

fl

OFFICIAL DOCUMENT EXTRACT

DOCUMENT:
DATE:

5672. 2 4 - ajc,3117/

TO:_cle_j*
FROM: .

..
.;
t
i

f9P67
Cos

t
71

cipix_a_

)
4

SUBJECT: 7eNrik2 e77,p.:d.e.4-6(0.--Acr

,i

0-R..24-774)-t- _-

REFERENCE:
!IQS FILE: ...411744j

... a

tl-

1:1 EXTRACT FILE: P71.4/7,/

.,

-yik
(.41.c

4-.
tl

1.:
ix

.
--

II. In another reference to personnel, -.IECILIELand .1-Jolm,

J_
i_n talking to the. Deputy Director, ponar; referred (as they
very often do) to the missing generation of officers: those
lost in World War II. Then Holmjsaid that the solution to fri.s.v
at,CATIDE was simply to extend a number of senior officers on
a contract basis after their normal Tetimment date arrives.
S. Isuppose.thetthis is an ,indiCatiorithat instead of
getting new youngsters surging to the top in ICATIDE we ai,e
going::.to",.have; the old cadre, possibly, not excluding UTILITY
Che ..made,passing reference tt a recent. sobial affair to "two
..
.4,
'three more years"), staying on until . the present young
blood:beComes tired old . blood.- : So / don't think we need count ,on any yfresh:upsurge f . .youngsters to the tOp,. ; : so long as the f;:f::
oldsters can .squeeze further contiTct jobs out of the organization

tv,

D ECLASS . IFIED AND RELEASED RY

CENTR \L 1"'T'ULIGENCE A5ENN
S0WES'p1E1:3EXEMPI Dji 332E
NAZI WAR CR IMESDISCLOSURE AM
ATE. 2005

iis
A\ \l

SL,L-440,:
!

.1.

7--

. 0.
/...i..........:;:
i'.2...

'

V.. r :?:
E t7 .". .

r''/..,:::: !: .. :. ..

k.',......::....:

.., ....

-. I ..
I
I . .; ..

r.:,,,,.....
1:,:.,:!.: :.',.:.!.: '

EL

...

&

NINTERSTEIN

20 April 1966

9. I worked the conversation around to UTILITY and

his term in office. He saici that UTILITY had been asked (sic)
by all parties in the parliament to stay on and he had agreed
to stay on a couple more years. This was covered in a
dispatch EGMA 68482.

.. .:.(::!.....',

-571";:::.)'......:i..! . '
le * --....:....
.

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEAST.0 8Y

\G ECY
SOILL:E.7: METHODSEXEMP1 ! 0 ii
302E
NAZI WAR cr; IMES DISCLOSURE. AC]
CENT.'LL INTELLIGENCE

fiATI 2005

'

SPATCE1

,m

-agifit

1,cd: tur=ms

Chief, Eg.
Chief of Base, Bonn Chief, Ca7Frankfurt
.
Chief, Munich Liaison Rase

o.

Chief Of Station GermanV

St.:3.17iCT

ttz...m:nn rizourra)
217.1';*JAL:Fl=

vg..rJr/Z

iNtIc7rxm.p.:

Lt. General Leo 341.12, CG IInd.Corps

ACT:011 clam

tz.a

leer your information I repeat herewith an exchan ge of

messages between I_
2 and me concerning Subject:
Message to C

13 April 66:

"The Latest rumor. in Bonn is that Lt. General Leo Eepp, 01E41::
'CG find Corps, will.be taking UTILITT's place in Spring 1967."
.

.4response to above message, 20 April 1966:

"Concerning
Yourrumoronio , Eepp,. you ay be on to
something.
He . is
7 DOB 15 Aug 07,
former chief of ZIPPEE . coMMO. .According to an early PRQ was
head Of.
Intel Service in. 1945: joined(C4WPItAn
made,trip . toBtates under WIDEAMProgrim in 51, leftIMIDE.:.
for .GeriSan Army 1956. .

"U

your source coMes . up with anything else we naturally

all ears. There one entry in his file In Dec 1965 noting
that Ccimmo folk at : CATIDE:hOped he mould come back to take
CommeAob afterCappeltUt he too senior, mould 'outrank
WILLIWISOFfil AND RELEASED
RY
CENTRAL HfT:LLIGENCE
SOURCES METHODSEXEV.Pl!Ui l 332E
NAZI WAR CRIMESDI SCLOSURE AC1

fAti

2305

Distribution:
2 -COD/Dana
2'- C/MLB
2 CAM/Frankfurt

GROUP I

Excluded from tviccatic

Morridln al5
OttloisIlIct115n

22 April 1966

EGWA-102

617r

E T
-

rtLe

C=

Wm

infill LH

'

6'.t..I ION

SECRET

e/EE

TO

COS/Germany; COB/Bonn; COB/Berlin

INFO.

FROM

MARKED FOR INDEXING

xxx

NO INDIZAING REQUIRED
ONLY QUALIFIED DESK
CAN JUDGE INDOCING

C/Munich Liaison Base

..

" i'r ,,..,-CATIDE,:

liUTILITY Succession and Relate .

i r
111'i
w1II,

;v

ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCES

'

MICROINUA ..
i

r
.,\,, ti
`'

ea;

i 'T 1.

V'. 0.

1 ,

.
r.

,
th

S4

..
,

k.,

"e-'!

r
.

One of the perennial sporting events in connection

with MLB is trying to *figure out when (if ever) UTILITY
Not more than a week ago the COS sent
is .,going to retire.
an Intra-StatiOn Memo in which he reported that the latest
-]
rumor on the Bonn circuit was that General Leo Hepp , CD was to succeed- UTILITY in April 1967. I
replied that I thought he was on to something good and hoped
he would keep us supplied with any details he could discover.
.1.

2. On the 20th of April I had a discussion with

: @WINTERSITIN,.. I managed to crank the conversation around
6 the "missing generation" at-I'PeIPE....and eventually to
the UTILITY retirement date. . W.INTERSTE-IN,:said that this
had all been taken care of by a request to UTILITY on the
part of all the political parties in the parliament that he
stay on the job. . He had consented to do so for another
two years.
This jibes with what UTILITY said at a Christmas
party here in 1965.
..
,
3. -WINTERSTEIN continued to say that since -WAGNER
the Vice 'President' of . CATIDE.. was obviously not goirig to be
back on the job due to his poor health it seemed most
likely that it would be - @HOLM
.. , who would be carrying on

-continued-

DISTRIBUTION:

miti1711-1:0

2 - COS/Germany
2 - COB/Bonn
2 - COB/Berlin

mICRO

seFt'.

GROUP I
EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMATIC
DOWNGRADING AND DECLAScTrTraprnm

C.

LC.7 -

AI-11- 196-6

.A8//
DISPATCH STMROL. AND NUMBER

OATE

EGMA 68482

CLASSIFICATION

22 April 1966
MS

FILE Numacrt

SECRET
DECLASSIFIED AND RE.I.F.ASED
CENTRAL I N T q L16 7.".....
-jEK:11
S

OO N CF.ShETIOD3EXEI.PI;C:i 332E

WAR CR IMES DISCLOSURE

11t,IE 2D05
NA! I

J la

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND HO.

CLASSIFICMION

CONTINUATION OF
DISPATCH

tdMA 68482

S E'C R E T

after UTILITY left.

4 I said to ,-,IINTthat I had . .heard some people
raise the questions -is' to whether Bonn poV.ticians would
oermit another military man to heacLCATIDE He said that
4HOL4or any other military officer OWIA61- "very easily
transfer to the civil service, as had he himself, for '.
instance. He tended to discount the idea of a politician
(for example some Secretary of State who was at. loose ends)
being assigned the_CATIATjob,

5. In turning to a discussion of Bonn INTERSTEI!U

said that Minister. Heinrich Krone, the Chairmin-Of-the
Defense Council; was taKing a . greater interest inCATIDE:_:
This did not mean that C. TIDE:,was not answering to
Chancellor's office. ItAId -Mean : CATIDE. ,had a further
powerful customer in addition to their- Standard ones,
the Chancellor's Office, the Foreign Ministry and the
Ministry of Defense. 'Contrary to other customers, Minister
Krone has only one source of "his own" information: '.CATIDE.,:.
Therefore, this enhances'IATIDE's . position .somewhat
Krone asks for and uses :. CATIDEiitimates and information.

6. 14..INITWFEIN:.. .said as Krone was fairly elderly he

2
probably would not beholding his Present position much
more than a year. ' .WIOTERSTM),then said Franz Josef,Strauss
would possibly take O-Ver-the-,difense council post. This
would put him in the Defense business again, 'but without a Ministry.' There would, of course, be a number of ramifications
for ZATIDE if Strauss did take the Council chairmanship.

Z-1
1-P. S. Just sat in on a three-cornered CgrDEdiscussion among
@REICHLIN, @BERNHARDT and @Dr. FRANZ.the Chief of Personnel.
They g pOke in-qt/ite" a" matte=6f-fact way of difficulties
of
getting UTILITY to change proven ways and means and of his
retention at his present post for another three years.

EsT AVAILABLE COPY

Fong

(40

53c

CUSSIMATION
USE

PREVIOUS EDITION,

SECRET

'CONTINUED

rZftfl
_

1 :
Ai:.

..

.r 47 n:a.,it :

1%,:k1..f

F.:.:..1

,*.

&arrmunr.nen

c.

1-1C111111

I; , II
1 ?V.. it..tr.:.if71,
,.C.. 1.4.1

1/1

,I.

11..rtniut
II.

!),

Genon.a,
Itnlv. :1 It.
I':'.d.:

Or. W. llo,tnennor

1: : 1,0t1

I I:Am:m:1

J.,qv

Kotler'

1.1(10

1/1. 1!.
Prot. 1)r. Ulrich l'.!eg

i-,

(loGeit.;:e:Iostgraan 116
To;eIon MO 11) 43 12

Ou.k:ro.no; 11111<1;.;.;,Or. :ono Kot.:er

, Prol. Or. o9n6 K.'. .19

Otiwala Kohn!
Watterra. Al1en% kiin:31er
Wel:rpr.g teonle:r0
rfm. Or. Werner
PICA. Dr. Ludwojf.i.rn.w..o
Pro!. Or. 11enz
1 101. Or. Gosi:w Menscrg
Prot. Or. P rno.in .1 t.ternen
S;outd Pvidnen
Or, G,,ato
Clsn

-`

:if, .foli.inr
:...1e11.1
rot 0.. flans Sal:Inter
I nol Sclinflack
0:. Karl t 011:atita
016- d1^.. Dr. n. &timid
Or. Ulrich Sonnomann
010. Or. lionvw.n Man
WO. Or. WiItmlin Weesdiedel
.,w. v. t.os
1.4.1L
i'rol. Or. Inths'ir Zul?.

Adincrhaun

Hurnanistische Union

Pressemittoi 1 ling-

Troiben Dundesbeharden strafbaren Verfassungsverrat?

Strafanzeige der Humanistischen Union wegen Verdacht eines Verbrechens nach

89 StGD

Beim Generalbundesanwalt in Karlsruhe erstattete der Vorsi...'d der

Mumanistischen Union (NU) am 5.5.1966 Strafanzeige "gegen Unbokannt"
wagon des Verdachts eines Verbrechens nach

89 StGB ("Verfassungs-

verrat"). Nach dieser Dcstimmung wird mit Zuchthaus bnstraft, "wer

CS unternimmt, durch MiOhrauch oder AnmaBung von Hoheitsbefugndssen

omen der in

88 StGD hezoichneten Verfassungsgrunds:itze zu hesei-

tigen oder anner ileltung zu setzen."

Wie Bundusinnonminister LUcke am 3.5.1966 zugah, hat das Bundosinnenministorium L7eheime Ausnahmegesetze vorbereitet. die im " Notstandsfall" eutweder von den Alliierten in Kraft gesetzt odor aufgrund alliiorter'Vollmachten von dentsehen Staatsorganen nngewandt
werden sollen.Diese gehoimen "Schuhladengesetze" so]. len /loch his jetzt

unwidersprochenen Pressemeldungen viol welter gnhen als de Notstandsgesetz e , die dcm Bundestag vorgelegt worden sind. Minister LOcke
iiuDerte zu Pres!levertrotern: "Diejonigen, die dies c: Gesetze geschen
haben, warn etwa5 bluich."
Der HU li ,:gon Inrormationen vor, die zu dem Verdacht Auln0 gehen, cs
bestehe klfl.J Uhereinkunit zwisch: , n flundesbehOrdon und den Desatzungsmtichton, der Hundosregierung iH bustimmton F.illen grundgesetzwidrige
Sondorvoilmachleu zuzuspie1n, (ric dieoaur legalem Weg (lurch das
DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED BY
CENTRAL I NTELL I 6ENCE AGENCY
SOURCES METHODS EXEMPT I ON3D2B
NAZI WAR CRIMES DISCLOSURE ACT
DATE

70111

'Ant

2-

-2Parlament nicht crhalten Unnte, Die HU fiihrt in ihrer Strafanzeige

einige von der Dundesregicrung bffentlich angestrebto Notstandsvollmachten an. die - wiirden nio nuf so auBerparlamentarische Weise verwirklichi, den Tatbestand des . VrfassungsvorratsorfUllten. Da di:.
geheimen "Schubladongesetze n sogar noch viel welter gohon sollen, 1st
nach Ansicht der HU die Einleitung eines Ermittlungsverfahrens durch
die Bundosanwaltschaft dringend zeboten.
HUMANISTISCHE UNION
gez. Rainer . Haun
(Geschdftsfahrer)
MUnchen, den 5. Mai 1966

v,;

HUMNISTISCHE UNION e.V., 8 Milne/ion 90, Gei g"elgastnigstr. 116

An din
Bundcsanwaltschoft
7500 Karlsruhe

Bctr.: Strafanzcige gegen Unbekannt wegen des Verdachts eines Verbrechens nath 89 StGD ("VerfasSungsverrat")
Sehr gechrter Herr Generalbundosanwalt.
Die Monatszcitschrift "Deutschos Panorama" verOffntlichto in Nr.
3/66 auf S. 11 einen Bcitrag von GOsta v. U e x k U I 1 "0oheimg080ti, (awls nuOwrhalb des Buudustacos7 Dlo Schuhinden turf!"
Eine Kopic diescs Artikols fUgen . wir bni. Der Autor borichtet in
dem Artikol. die Dundesrogierung habo Gosotz fUr don Fall ausgearbeitct, "daB die Alliierten von ihren rinchten im Gcnoralvertrag
Gcbrauch machon", dicso Gesetze

fertig in dor Schublado"

nnd gingen viol weiter als die Notstandsgesotze, din dom Bundestag
vorgelegt werdon miissen. Es wird in dcm .9eitrag ferncr behauptet,
dio Bundesrogirung wartr . nur darauf, (Jail die . Alllierten mit der

Hitto

um Zustimmuur7 /Tom. Art. 5 Abs. 2 des- Genoralvortrages an sin

horantrAten,

rim

drri dio UmstJndo die An::iihnng dor

iii. iirteri Vorbhaltsrchto fordorton. )s heiBt. w6r1;1ich:

"Der britisch4: oder ameriknnischo Dotschafter wird im DundeskanzIornmt vorsprochn, man wird sich einigen, dal:, der Notstandsfall g,(rob(.s n 1st rind dio fl rniss aus dew Gencralvertrag auf din Bundesrs:gicrung Ubortrgen. Und claim wird nit den Gesetzen rIns der Schub-

lado .rogiert."

Der Artikol im "Dentschon Pnnorama" erwockt don Eindruck, als

steho eine ausdrUcklicho odor stillschweigende Obereinkunft zwischen
der Bund .2srogierung und den Drci Wichton; der Dundosreciorung in einm bc:stimmten Fall durch in abgekartetes Spiel ("die Dcutschen
bitten die Alliierten, ihnen das zu crlanben, was ihn,-:n nach dew
Grundgesetz verboten it.") Gcsetsvollmachton zuzuspielou, dio sic
auf legale Weise nicht orhalten
Wir bitten Sic d:th.! p , :sohr gochrLur Horr Goneralhund(!sanwalt, !sin
Ermittlungsverfahrtm roa,:u Unbekannt oinzuleitc:n, well im FaU,,: der

Richtigkeit de ()hen geschildrtnn Tntbestandos-i oincJ

Vorletzung des

'
. 89 StG11 vorljiue. Nach dieser Vorschrift wird U.a. bostraft, 1,16r es
unternitmt, (lurch HiBbranch odor AnmaBung von Roheitsbofurnissen
einen der jn

88

StGD bozeichnoten Verfassungsgrundsatze zu bosei-

I.:iron oder :tuDer Geltung zu setzen.

Nach zu zitiorton Artikel sollon die angeblich vorhandenen "Schub-..

.
ladengesotze" "viol weiter ehen ls die Notstandsgesetze, die der
Enndostag 1)oschJi0Oon soil". Durch den Entwurf der Dundosregirung
von 1962 fUr

no NotstandsverfasSung (Bundesdrucksache 1V/891) sol.l.ton

fUr den :c.rtstandsfrIll u. a. folgende . MaDnahmen vorgesehon werden:

1. Eine Notstandsgesetzgebung nach Art.-115c des Entwurfs;
2.die Jibertragnng der Defugnisse der Dundusregierung auf (Anon
KabinettsausschuG. dossen . Zusammensetzung vom Bundeskanzlor
bestj.tumt wird, rem. Art. 115d . des Entwurfs;
die VriJnrer6ng dor. Wahlperiodo des DundestageS und der Amtsperiede . des DoudesprtAsidenten rem. Art. 115r Ahs. ) des Enwurfs.
Dn die angoblich vorliegenden "Schubladenresetze" Uber dorartire
Bestimmungen woit hinausgehen sollen, mu3 angenommon werden, da3.
Sieh in dieson Gosotzen mindestens gleiche odor ahnliehe Destimmunren finder). Dureh die Verlangurunr . dor 1,egislaturperiodo ces Parlanicnts und don ;:berratir der Gesetzgebungsbefugnis ntf 'in parlamntnrisch nicht verantwortliches Gremium wUrde das Recht des VolNes,
Staatsruw:Alt in ::ahlen und . Abstimmungon anszu i.iben un0..de Vn).;:svert..retung in ang,twoiner, unmittolbarer, froier, rI( .:ichor und r.!hei:tter

zu withlen (

88

Abs. 2 Nr. 1 StGD) beeintrdchtirt, das

Ducht auf die verfassungsmZiDige Bildung und AusUbunr einer par).amoroari !.:clwo n pposition (Ind die pai . lamentarische Vornntwortlichkoit
der IZerjerung w:iven refiihrdet ( 88 Abs. 2 Nu. j u nd
11r1'ier:csc)aft wire nicht auszuschlieDen (

88

tr1H), !]*11-

Ahs. 2 Ni'.

6 SI-M-3),

wenn dorartig!:: odor tihnliche MaDnahmen nicht durch ordentliche Gesetze hostirmItt wiirden, sondern sich auf gehoimo Vfl,rinbaruncin

: 0 :-; eitjt:unr dor reschUtzten VerfassunusuUtcr ch . s

tG

;1!).

Li-rt vor, wenn deren rechtlieho "':xistenz vornichtt..i. ist,

word,2n aner fleitnnr resetzt, wenn -sie faktjsch nicht Nwhr

n!:;o nicht in
.uncinnec zeitlich cider

h,:foirt wordon, wn2n o!-;

reniirt,

d: j3

111-

suspendiert ist (Schafheut1,:!. h;t:

)1::-n i:s rechts;indertinusrestz, j7, 51, 609, 61 /0. Das

;It.t1

-3-ander Geltung Seinen erfaBt jedo Deuintr;ichtigung der ungehinderten

Wirksamkuit dLeserVerfassungsgrundsatzo als Rechtsstze, sei os
auch nur eine zeltweiligo. Beseitiat ist ein Rochtssatz, wenn or abgoschafft it (Loipz. Komm. z. StGB

8.

Aufl. Anmerk. la zu 89 StGB).

Ein MiBbrabch von Hohitsbofugnissen liegt in ihrem Gebranch

7 1.1

an-

doron als verfassungsmLiBiaen Zwocken oder zu anderen Zwecken, als

denen die Befugnis nach dom Becht, auC dem sic beruht und nach Welchem sie ordnu1igsgem5B ausgoUbt wird, dionon soll. AnmaBen von Hoheitshcfugnisson liegt vor, wont) rhi Oefugnisse dem Titer zur Tat:zeit odor iiberhaupt nicht zustehen, or aber so auftritt und handelt,
als stUnden sie ihm zu . (Leipz. Nomm. aa0 Anmork. 3bc zu 89 StGB).
Beide Tatbestandsmerkmale kiinnten hier voriegen, wenn Beamte oder
Organo des Bundes - wie im Artikci des "Deutschcn Panorama" angedoutot wurde - der dnndesregiorung

oinen

Nottnnthlfall lloheitn:cht

UbQrtr:Agcn lieBen, die ihr auf Grund der dentschen,Gesetzgebuna

nicht zustchen und die das Grundaesetz ausschlieSt.
Da diese Fragen von arundlegender Bedeutuna

fur die Rechtsstaat-

lichkeit Sind. erscheint eine Uberpriifuna der vom "Deutschen Panorama" berichteten angebliehen Pak ten angezeigt. Wir weison ergirinzend
darauf hin. daB der Vordacht strafbarer Handlunacn von Pundesbeamten
nnch
v

o;!:

11

89 tGB durch cinen Bericht derTrankfurter Pundschau" Nr. 103

.5.

96 6 , Ausaabel, noeli erhoblich verst:irkt wird. Dort heiBt

untor (Jr
o

h e rsehrift "Liicke dreht Gewerksehaften mit geheimen

Notstandsao:3etzen" u. a.: "D p, s Bundesinnonministerium hat abeime

GesetzentwUrfe vorborcitet, die in )raft treton solln, wenn die
j\ Li

von ihren Vorbehaltsrechton im ralle eines

standes Gcbranch mlchen.

i:ilOor ,, n

Not-

rin Snrecher desiLIA erk.Firte aiim Bionstaa

in Bonn, diose esctze und Vorordnungen wiirden dann entwder

don Alliierten in Kraft aosetzt odor ant' Grund

VOH

Volltiu-.chten

von deutschen Stollen anaewandt werden. Oundesinnenminister Liicke

se)bst sect() von den sog."5chnbladengosetzen": 'Diejeniaen, die diese
Gesetze gosehen haben, waren etwas bleich'. Der.Bundesinnenminister
droht::.

cal) im Notstandsfall "planmBia" rich diesen Vorschriften ge-

handett werde, sofern der Bundestag die von der Reaieruna aewOnschto
Notstudsvorfassnna abehnt."

MiAnchen,

doll

6.

Hai

l i N11)N
11;ici( y r

Him!'

1066
i.V.

3 May 1966
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
TO

801

SUBJECT: C
155/r
At the farewell party for @KOLLE/ on 29 April
)
became privy to a discussion between KOLLER! and MUELLER
concerning tKOLLER's assignment to Vietnam. The subject of
the discussion was actually the length of KOLLER'S - stay in
Vietnam.. Also, although all the CATIDERs play KOLLER's
new assignment as if he was actually returning to the Army,
the conversation made it quite clear that this is not ths
case at all. He is still with CAl2DE and will remain so,
and MUELLER will remain his boss during his assignment in
Vietnam.
The -current' agreement between CATIDE and the Army is
for a one year assignment' of . KOLLER1 to Vietnam, -after which
he is to return to. CATIDE.. KOLLER protested this arrangement.
to MUELLER:stating that it was breaking his cover and that
he ShoUid .,... : in order to:Maintain his cover, stay at least
for three .years "like..all -other attaches . do". " MUELLER more
or' 'less indicated . that:he ...hoped ,KOLLER could . get his promotion
.
to .full ,Colonel in :this job' and as soon as...the. job had
accomplished 'that he was ...ready to call KOLLERI back . -KOLLER .
see sied.; : onthe Whole .SCRieWhat put out sp ier. the . treatment he
had received from CATIDE: in this 'job.
. Later on when KOLLER became aware . of the fact that
3 hid overheard the conversation he said "I hcipe I
can at. least. stay 'long enough to get my ColonelCy,. otherwise
'this : job:will have been a complete loss. The only reason I want to get away from the Compound is because I can't
get . ahead as long as the . Doctor is here.

ASSIF I ED ARO
RE LEASED 9Y
CENTCL I NULL
IGENCE 4GENC1
SOURCES: METRODS.EXEMPH ON

302E
NAZ I WAR CR IfilE
Jr 01 S C1.031J RE ;.C1

fLU

2005

4.

-6/ego

. SECREi
yy,

1*(#0,6

_CONTACT REPORT
with alias ._
Holm and UTILITY
.9_May 1966, 1000 hours
001iPand UTILITY Offices
1. This meeting was to passeHolm the schedule of the
Chief of Station. These were in Yellow Memorandum No. 34249.
We discussed these briefly.
2.
Then alias Holm asked me about my idea about briefing
the senior'CATiDE staffers on the structure of the U.S. intelligence community. I replied that although I still thought
it was a good idea and proposed to bring it up again in the
fall, it seemed to me that there was simply too many things
going on at this time to work it in properly. I wouldn't
want to put on any half-hearted performance.
4
3. Alias Holm said then that UTILITY wanted to speak
to me. We went over to UTILITY'S office, where he opened
the conversation with a few rambling remarks on current affairs.
These are included in Field Information Renortra0-142. He
:3 case.
then came to the point. He mentioned the
This was dealt with by cable MUNI-6049, which is filed in that
case file.

4. UTILITY also took the occasion to thank me for the

birthday card I had sent him.
5. Later in the day, I a pp eared again at UTILITY's
office with C.-.
3 The occasion was that of
Dand
UTILITY's formal farewell to C.
Ti. and his greeting to
Alias'HolM was also present.: This was a:pretty
social -affair in which UTILITY made ' a lot of complimentary
remarks about,.E_
D. and presented him with a little
silver card tray with-a dedication on:.the back. Very pleasant
:T.Lgot a chance to
time in the usual strained way; L
exercise his not inconsiderable 'talents in German, which he
had hidden under a bushel hither
..

2:11:

DECL;C:::1 /AD

Distribution:
3-801 for forwarding
1-801 chrono

chrono
1-@Holm file

IGE;;CL

,,r
C ,f
lr
,":1-11-0DS[X-ENPI

b:2'
,71W4RCRIMESDISCLUJIRII

'L

kJJ5

SECRET

AND R ELEASED BY
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
DECLASSIF

ED

SBilrESUET
MSEXEMPT I ON 302E
NAZI W.AR CR IMES
DISCLOSU
REgyllo, 1966
DATE 2005

Dear General Gehlen,

. I did it again this year. I forgot to send you congratulati ons
on your .birthday in APril. I don't know what it is but I suspect it
is my preoccupation with income tax matters during the, latter part of
March that causes me to forget that 4 April is your birthday anniver sary. Be what it May, let. me at this late date express ill good
wishes for another healthy and successful year.

I also want to thank you for your kind letter after . Christmas.
And I was especially glad to hear that the speedometer on your sailboat ' is working properly. I hope that you will get another chance
to .rally sail this summer. Or perhaps you have already started
sailing: I have heard that the Munich area has had a sunny, warm
Spring. Unfortunately we have not. It has been quite cold with ,A
warm day now and then but we are still having frost.
. .
And in early February we were really showed in. I was unable
toCrive my :car for three days. As a matter . of. fact, I barely made
it to the -airport when I was scheduled to mike a rather long trip.
I visited TOkko and Manila coming back by way of Eamnii, All in all
the trip Was much too fast, as usual,. although I had several nice
days attending a military conference in the Philippines.
I heard that c
.27.has semi-retired but I am sure that
he is 'just. as . active as ever. I recall how I used to envy both you
' and him . as .far as your energy was con calmed.
. . _
a will
I: D and
.
I I also understand . that . Herrn3;

_
_ .
. be visiting here but , unfortunately. I shall miss them. Heinz was kind
enough to :invite .me_te a reception for them but Ruth and I . vill be
- . unable. to attend.

It was. interesting to read , in a recent issue of OdRIST und %FLT

, :an : articleabeut coordination of 'intelligence activities i th2
'9erman Federal , Rtpublic.. I % judge from that:article that you are alsn
still'PlagUed'With Coordination problems :in , the business. I am still
active in the coordination' field in our cemnihnity and it keeps me
. quite busy; 'There is always too much to be .done.
Not long ago when Virginia Pleasants gave a concert at the

.
...?, GermanEmbabiy;-. :Isaa surprised to hear that contrary to most expectstions Herr L 13 was improving. Kindly extend to him my best regards

eulOeU3s eehim;

'

of

.;

O12 .:,Wirri'greetings to your wife and family... We think of

:very 'often.

yoil:ineMiiiiieh::
;".1.

Sincerely,_

,46;06AA:i41:7147,14;;;;:;-::::;;.;;;::::;;;T-........,:::.......

G>01

ommenti

Scite

Herr Gehlen ans Telephon!

VON HANS REISER, BONN
Eli, jiingst entworfener Gummiparagraph par
excellence birgt die Gefahr In sich, dafl die Bundesrepublik nach dcm kaum (lberstandenen
Streit urn gewlsse PraktIken des Verfassungsschutzes out eine. permanente Telephonaffare
zusteuert. linter den Papieren. die BundesInnen-minister LUcke nach Abschlu0 dcr Vorberattingen Ober die Notstandsverfassung In der sogenannten ZweilferkommIssion' den Abgeordneten
Stir die welteren Eriirterun gen In den FraktIonen
mitgab. war such der Referentencntwurf fr das
AusfUhrungsgesetz zu ArtIkel 10 dos Grundgesetzes. Der Artikel schiitzt dc Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis. Schon in der Verfassung heifft
es erglinzend: ,Ilesdulinktingen clOrfen nur out
Grund elnes Geseizes nngeordnet werden."
her gab es dieses Gesetz nicht. abgesehen von
einigen verstreuten Vorschriften Ober die Ilechte
der Justiz bel der Verfolgung krimincller Straftaten. Die deutschen Gehelmdlenste bchalfen
sich 'ohne Ausnahme damit, dall sic an den Meiglichkeiten der Alllierten parlizIplerten, die jenc
stet bis zur Ableisung durch deutsches Becht far
die Sicherhelt Ihrer Truppen ausbedungen batten:
Um die Ablijsung dieser alllierten Vorbehalte
geht es der SPD. wenn sic irnmer wieder darauf
besteht, zugleich mit der Notstandsverfassung
alle zusammenhangcnden Fragen zu bchandeln.
Tinter den Parlamentariern gibt es kaum Streit,
da0 such ftlr den Staatsschutz bestimrnte Einschrankungen des Post- und Fernmeldegehelmnisses nicht zu uingehen scin werdcn. Sollen sie
eitien Sinn haben, dart der so Uberwachte nichts
davon wissen. Das filhrt zu schwierlgen Verfassungsrechtlichen Komplikationen. Nicht nur well
in setnach dem Grundgesetz kein Grund
nell% Weaenspehalt a nyetastet wcrden dart,
rt, sondem ouch well der Rechtswe g gegen jocks Vorgehen der Offentlichen Gewalt zulassig sein mut),
in dlesem Fall jedoch nicht garantfert werden
kann. Angeslchts dieser Uberiegungen 1st es
nicht verwunderlich, (tail LOcke den fOr dos Ausftihrungsgesetz zu Artikel 10 notwendigen Entwurf einer Grundgesetztinderung noch nicht
vorgelegt hat. Die Vorstellungen, die seine Beamten dazu entwickelt haben, scheincn jedoch
zumindest als Diskussionsgrundlage brauchbar
zu seln.
Bis out den Gummiparagraphen fijr den BundesnachrIchtendlenst gilt dos ouch ftir den Inhalt
des AusfUhrungsgesetzes. Hdcherl hatte noch
einen Senatspraskienten beim Bundesgerichtshof als Genehmigungsinstanz ftir Post- und
Telephonkontrolle in Einzelfallen (bei starken
Anhaltspunkten fOr elnen dringenden Tatverdacht) Vergesehen. Lack hat sich fOr elnen Htin
desminister entschleden, well einmal die Rich.

ter von Hacheils Vorschlag nicht begeistert

waren und well cr zum andcren die politische
Vcrantwortung starker bctonen wolltc. Wenn
der Minister au:ler-dem, wic vorgcschen, einem
Parlamentariergremium berichten mut1, so Riflt
sich gegen diesen Plan kaum vial einwenden.
Urn so grailer mOssen die Bcdenken gegen die
vorgesehenen, praktisch unbcgrenzten Meiglichkeiten far die frlihere Organisation Gehlen sein,
Bride und Telegramme mitzulcsen, Telephongespriiehe mitzuhOren. Hier wird der Bogen des
Zumutbaren entschieden (lberspannt. Heicherl
hallo die Forderung des Bundesnachrichtendienstes, zu desscn Fiirsprecher sich Minister Krone
gcmacht hallo, als Geheimsoche zusatzlich zu
ncIncm urnpriinglich dIskutablen Entwurf dem
Bundestag In der vlerten Legislaturperiodo
nachgereicht. LOcke hat ihn ohne weiteres in den
Referentenentwurf aufnehmen lassen. BegrOn-.
dung: Nur unter diesen Voraussetzungen sind
die Alllierten, vor allem die Amerikaner berelt,
out ihre Vorbehaltsrechte zu verzichten.
Die Vermutung Ilegt nahe, dal) eine Internationale der Spionageoffiziere die Polltiker
tibersplelen will. FilrGehlen dilrfte es nicht allzu
schwierlg gewesen scin. beim CIA oder anderswo
einen entsprechenden 'Brief in seinem Sinne zu.
erhalten, nachdem die Botschaftch vorher mehr
oder weniger forme)l zu erkennen gegeben hatten, ihnen gernige HOcherls erste Fassung. Violleicht hat die Gehlenzentrale in Pullach von ihrer
Sicht aus Veranlassung zu dieser Foiderung, ob-'
wohl sich auch dartiber streiten Belle. Unstrittig
milOte allerdings sein, daft die Politiker, wollen
sic nicht einer allgemeinen Bespitzelung TUr und
Tor &filen, nur ablelinen keinnen.' Wenn das Kabinett sich dazu nicht sutra fft, mua es das Parlament tun .

.,Um einer Gefahr fiir die auf3ere Sicherheit

des Bundes zu begegnen", vie es in der Vorlage
%OMNI hen, dart man nidit die innere Sicherbelt seiner Burger outs Spiel sctzen. Das geschahe, wenn der Bundesnachrichtendienst die
vorgeschenen Vollmaehten erhlelte. Vage Ver.:
dachtsmomente wtirden gentigen, um Hunderte,
wenn nicht Tausende, einer Past- und Telephon-.
kontrolle auszusetzen, nut well vielleicht einer
unter Ihnen ist, an dem die Spionageabwehr berechtlgterweise interessiert ware. Wenn die
Alllierten sich bisher tihnlicher Praktiken bedienten, 1st dies keln Grund, deutsches Becht (W.,:
aus zu machen. Gerade wenn man nicht zu den
prinzlpiellen Gegnern elner Notstandsverfassung
gehart, muD man vor soichen Entwicklungen*
women. Wenn es slch die Gagner Manctimal zu
lelcht Machen, sollte niemand dasselbe yen den:

BeRlrwortern sagen kOnnen,

DECLA SSIFIED

AND R ELEASED BY

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

SOURCESMEATNOOSEXEMF'TION3828
NAZI WAR

CRIMESDISCLOGUREW

DATE 2001 2005

'..r5;11:-.Y. !'"

SECRET

Fluid In)

DOCUMENT TRANSFER AND CROSS REFERENCE

DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION

SUBJECT OF DOCUMENT
-

DISPATCH OR SOURCE DOC.

V. 100PCE CRYPTOWYM

. .

DATE

S.

SYISOL RO.
S.

S. OATS OF INFO.

EVALUATION

N.

11.

10. DISSCIIINATCD IN

OATS PROCLISED

..

I il.

IIMALYST

S.
RI FILE NO.
1.

'OCI.IkeNT

MIS 00000000 To MO PRI

DISPOSITION
II, TRANI ttttt 0 00
RI ?IL( NO.

OATS

'

PERT WENT INFOFMAT ION

14 ..

.
.

GEHLFNN.- /GEN/

'

* C
. SEX . 14 DOB ?

: .C7 1. t. ?

- ...... ..
..

CATE

..:.....::..

.
.

.
.

scLosuoRt6Ret 9061.6

2005

ION 362E
jitil4AR CRIM oEXEKPI
.....
ES 0 I

AS$ IF I E.D AND

R rE L EAS ED B Y
CENT!? ., ; -I -Li
ISENCE AG
ENC1

.
t,..
100-006-139'04. , CO,. 01069
.18 'MAY 66
P2

:11E.AD-.0f.....W. EST: GERMAN INTELLIGENCE

.
'NAME;APPEARINGAN -BOOK -ay JAN I. ITAN CALLED

MEETING:141TH THE SPIES,- PUBLISHED BERLIN

.
. 1965 : . '
DE: CL

..

.
.

"

._ ..

.
..

,.
.
.

:4.

FILE:11i1 :_
LE:',-..imis .y orim

.1 : .:

.867 c!. e

t .

---..

I cri

FILE NO....
.

- -

.
...
SECRET . .

(540_

... .

....

..

_....

;164
7 1:11)
1 - .V
).

...

..

. ..
,.

-..

,.

,::::::vg...4.

PROCESSING ACTION

CLASSFICATIC*1

'SECRET

MAPPED RC MEM

TO

Chief :Munich Liaison Base

PKI

Chief of Station, Germany

Chief, EUR
SUBJECT

IRDEXIKG REQUIRED

on Qualm) mu
CAR JUDGE REDOUND

..

Kimmut

CATIDE:.."

UTILITY Birthday Greetings

ACTION REQUIRED

//ft-3

REFERENCES
7
)-

'

We are forwarding under separate cover belated birthday

3
greetings to UTILITY from C

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEAS P

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE ASPIC)
SOURCESMITHOOSEXERPHON 302E
NAZIWAR CRIMESDISCLOSURE AC1._
DATE 2005
U

SY

L.

Attachment:

a/s .u/s/c
POUCH)

(TRUE NAME

Distribution:
-- VMLB w/att
1 - COS, Germany

u/s/c
w/o/att

0
I...
0

trA

&i.

,.

s --k 1451

L IA 11

.......,
.,

2 3 MAY 1966 :

441 .
,.... REFERENCE TO

DATE

OISPATcH MAO. MA HUMBER

..

EGMS -6609

(1:4- --1-I 'fl';!...:'''''..''

18-May 1966.
..
Ji

nu NUMBER

.
.

SECRET'-----...:,:l.

mg- 6-60?

SECRET
CONTACT REPORT
:If with UTILITY . @Hoim

:7, Z-

18 May 1966
- House 37, CATIDE.Compound

1. The reason for this meeting was the general topic of

SiAffairs. Before we went into that meeting, however.
, @HolM, ,_who appeared to greet the Chief of Station,
:1 and
and me, said that UTILITY would like to speak toi_
me privately before the meeting began on a "couple bf political matters."
GINT

I:

2. With very few preliminaries UTILITY launched into

something of.a repeat performance of what I had reported in
EGO-142. He .did not mention point A of that discussion,
namely, the concern about France, but he went somewhat more
into detail about his concerns about German society. He
contends that the society is softening,,especially-towards
the East. He showed'us a.press release from the Humanis-.
Munich 90 (just
tische Union of GeiselgaSteigstr. 116,
down the street a bit from some staff: tousing). He read off
some of the members of.the committee of this union and-described them in. effect as -a rather Mixed bag of do-gooders
and dupes . ,.as I interpreted his comments. He: thinks that the
Humanistic .Union is only an example of some of the'organizations which are Undermining German society with their willingness to deal withthe East. He had received the press
handout that he showed us from hisistudent soh-in-law, who is
at the University of Munich. - The press handout, he said,gave. , an entirely wrong impression about . an aspect Of the
Emergency Powers LAW being:proposed.
8

321.72.-83/2..:'. C.-a, 1_

l'& UTILITY,i@HOLM:j
. .

18 May

66

'3. He then went on to mention some articles by Hans Reiser, one

them called "Herr Gehleh ans Telefon." We
had already . reported this via EGMT-138407-1 had,not,.however,
seen another article by Reiser called."Vor Super Ministern
wird.gewarnt," also from the SUddeutsche Zeitung, 6th of May.
TET-Herr . Genlen one was on the 11th. Apparently, both of
these articles were put out In the absence of editor Birnbaum.
They had been able to spike . a third one..
said with
something of a sly smile that although : CATIDEdidn't concern
themselves with internal affairs when ii'daMe-to such matters,
they did, i.e., self-protection.
..

DECLASSIFIED AND RELEASED BY

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENC\
SOURCESMETHODSEXEMPTIONME
NALIWARCRIMESDISCL OSURE AC1
GilE 2305

SECRET

(West

SECRET
Page .2

'32W-229/1
Germ Govt)

CL
"

L:
with UTILITY, @Holroa

18 May 1966

4. Minister Heinrich Krone came in for some discussion

in connection with the Reiser article of the Sueddeutsche
Zeitung about super ministries. What UTILITY and Holm had to
say, about this and about.Westrick is being forwarded to
Headquarters and other addressees in EGMA-68578. As the
m p etirig broke up, UTILITY invited r_ -..7a and wife and (as
Thterpreted it, although I did not hear the exchange)
=3 arid wife, to be his guests as tea on the 23d of June.

Distribution:

c-3 72801 for forwarding

oletUTILITYfile

file
1-extract
1-801 chrono
1 -@ Holm

SECRET

x-4s1XV-0
774.Ciev.
.

'

IzIPOAs"

497"77-"'

r,SEGIEL
eyurv
Extract: EGMT-14105, 1 June 1966
CS copy filed
An FI1,.: to t Tannouncing unofficial confirmation that IITILITt . will.
reasainftan head
.a period, of -three :years :after reaching': manditciii-retirement :,,,c4ie in Apr 1967, and that the aame informant .beliei:es
f that'.: UTILITY' a ,..biother -will be artended
hid curient 'position for a
like psriod of 'time.

-4`

D ECLASSIF I ED

CENTR

,L

SOU IEET

0 R ELEASED CY

T:LL

I G E NCE AGENn

'131SEXEKP I ON 332E

' NAZI WAR Ck IMES

CATE 2005

.ISEGRET

D ISCLOSURE ACI

Ittoeller

1 (UTILITY)

3 June 66

of the orgenisation4
a gencral-disaussinn
down the
Said thatT.ATIDE was split pretty well
Obeiler
middle between people who were very firm advocates. of
UTILIT1; and.thOse who pooh-poohed his every word. This
feeling permeated the entire organisat60n'and apparently
not identify
by both sides. He did
is taken-qate-seriouily
side.
any of the participants on either

2 ECLASSIF' En
A II 11 R
ELEASE0 Sy
CCUR
T7lA. IGEt.I.CE AGENCY'
SOV:(1.:::,
iET:IODSEXEMPT !LIN 3321'

NAZI

CRIMES:DI SCLOSURE AC1

DA.TE 2005
.

" ' . .V
;*.

'''

,::

2
r

CLASSIFICATION

PROCESSING ACTION

*:

SECRET

,2i

Chief; XUDOVE

TO

C-tief of Station, Germany

Chief, EUR
Chief, Munich Liaison Base'

MM...

SUBJECT .

..

MAPICED FOR INDEXING

"

NO INDEXING REQUIRED

ONLY QUALIFIED DESK

CAN JUOCE INDEXING

MMROFRA1

CATIDE:

ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCES

' On 13 June 1966 in an unusual letter signed in true name-also Unusual--UTILITY forwarded the following message:

."To:

"13 June 1966

.-

(UTILITY)
"FroM:
-.

.
.

The Chief of my Division I, Herr . :L

..J hag reported
to me on his trip to the United States, which took place from
the 6th to the; 23d of May, 1966. The carefully prepared--and
in :end,reSuit : S6!jruitfuI--conferences at your Headquarters .A 4114,
in Miam e ' here A considerable. assistance to-thefurther work '.':,L,,
'
. iviSion ... Above and beyond this, you have given my
..:
g:I=
officers a look at the problems of the United States itself.
This will widen their horizons and afford a basis for a greate
,:.,,
vi-v_u,-- -understanding in our mtitual endeavors.

Fica
.'.'1:. , am very happy about the visit, and I thank-youJor thematic

professional courtesies and the generous hospitality afforded

.my gentleMeh.
.
"The friendly personal greetings from (Chief, i.KUDOVE).
I
.
reciprOdateVery 'heartily. I hope to be able to greet him here
. Eall
.
. in the not too distant future.

-,

. .,
....-..-

ggg

"(UTILITY.)"

'ImP
litC

:1

Distribution:
_

.,

.2,,C/KUDOVt
2 - COS/Gerrii ny

2.

-C/EUR .

DECLASSIFIED AND

RELEASED

l'(

.CENTR;d. IMLLIGENCE ASEN:',

SOURCES VIET:1003EXEMP1 !Ei 332E
'
NAN WAR CR NES 01 SCLO' , 7.-et --6AVE 2005

7/

CROSS

REFERENCE TO

''

20105-0608

SECRET

....

_
-174x.T.ttne--3-94-6

.EGMA - 68.8. 66
CLASSIFICATION::.

9- 0

---/

DATE .

DISPATCH SYMBOL ANO NUMBER,.........

66

--......

GExiC.EA/

v JUN19
--

-.

RQS . FILE NUMBER

32W-2-2R/1R

?? p

ROUTING

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE
ORIO:

UNIT:
EXT
DATE:

TO a
FROM:

"

SECRET

C/MLB
64
16 JUNE 66

MOKIcs

'dames

C/MLB

I.NPO

L/CE

12

13
14

, INFO FRANKFURT

GERMANY

9
10

3355

UUTIAL3

DEFERRED

4 r

PRIORITY.

T.

.^

opERAnoNAL

INITIALS

ihmurE

ROUTINE

t.

16

CITE MUNICH
6385

ala

INFO

TO

Itaro FRANKFURT

GERMANY

C:

rRon L

REF: TRANSMITTAL MANIFEST F. NO 11266 FROM c-ALIAS CASTROP CALLED MORNING Or 16 JUNE FOR UTILITY
TO THANK YOU VERY KINDLY FOR AN INVITATION TO BAD GODSBERG ON 4 JULY BUT REGRETS HE WILL BE UNABLE TO ATTEND
AS HE WILL BE ON LEAVE.
END OF MESSAGE

net

ASS I F:

ED

AND

REL

ENTRAL IN

EASED DY

TELL IGENCE AGENCY

SGUESMET
!IODSEXEMPTION 3D2E.
NAZI W. R Ck I

DATE 2005

ME
S DI SCLOSURE '\C1

COORDINATING OFFICERS
1
RELEASING OFFICER
REPRODUCTION BY

$ECRET

csOP

AUTHENi ICATIHO OFFICER

OTHER THAN THE ISSUING OFFICE IS PROHIBITED..

0'),

COY

'A. NI I

113.

3 (,,k7