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GBB Gun/Mag How To: Regular maintenance, fix leaks, improve efficiency, etc
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GBB Gun/Mag How To

Regular maintenance, fix leaks, improve
efficiency, etc
Intro
A Few Words About Grease And Oil
Regular Gun Maintenance
Hopup Mods/Upgrades
Gas Mag Parts
Oiling Your Magazine
Fix Leaks
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Efficiency Mod
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Intro
This is just a general "how to fix and maintain your gas
gun/mag" post, because I know some people know how to
do this and some don't, so to save those who don't having
to buy replacements, here it is. This will be a work in
progress as I add more stuff to it. The gun and magazine in
the photos are an HFC P226 and a KJW P226 replacement
mag. This mag is supposed to be compatible with KJW,
HFC, TM, and other P226 GBB pistols, but, as I found when
I tried to use it, it performs rather poorly in anything but a
KJW. Until I performed the mods below, that is. This should
apply to any similar guns and mags, e.g. any 226
blowback, many 9mm models, etc. Some of the
features/options may be different, but you should be able
to get the gist of it from the pictures and figure it out on
your own gun.
A Few Words About Grease And Oil

White lithium grease has to be the slipperiest substance on
earth. However, the debate rages on as to whether it
damages o-rings or not, and my thing is: why take a
chance? I'm not going to argue with anyone about whether
or not lithium grese does damage seals, I don't care about
your experince with lithium grease, the fact is, silicone
doesn't damage seals. So, on any parts that don't touch
seals, especially where you have serious metal-on-metal
friction, lithium grease would, without a doubt, be the best
lubricant for the job. However, you'll notice that I don't
use it in this guide, and there are 3 reasons for that. First,
some of the parts I'm greasing come into contact with
rubber or plastic parts, and I just don't see the advantage
of using a grease that might possibly in some way degrade
them, when pure silicone grease won't. Second, even on
parts that don't come into direct contact with rubber or
plastic parts, grease spreads, that's it's job, and why use 2
incompatible greases for a single job, when one does the
job just fine? And three, white lithium grease is white. My
gun is black. That means when a little bit of grease
manages to work its way out of the gun onto the outer
surface, or when you fire and the slide racks back and you
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see the outer barrel, you'll see white grease on my gun.

It's perfect for AEG gearboxes, but in a GBB gun, I'll stick
to silicone. The kind I use for these kinds of applications is
made for use in pool filters and pumps, and is actually sold
as a seal conditoner and lubricant. You should be able to
find it at the hardware store, or at any pool supply store.
To apply it, I use my finger, or a toothpick, or a popsicle

stick, or whatever is handy and will reach the places I
need to reach. Don't use anything hard or sharp like metal,
because you might scratch something that shouldn't be
scratched. Anything like wood or plastic should work fine.
As for oil, I usually use a silicone/teflon mixture that comes
in an areosol can by DuPont, called, coincidentally enough,
"DuPont Teflon/Silicone Lubricant." It's safe for rubber and
plastic, it's nice and thin but provides good lubrication, and
it's inexpensive. I use it below for lubing the mag seals, but
I use it for cleaning barrels too.
Gun Maintenance
Depending on your gun, it may break down differently, this
is how the GBB P226 breaks down.
With the slide locked back and the magazine removed, flip
the breakdown lever
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With the lever down, pull the slide forward until it

seperates from the body
Remove the barrel parts from the slide so they can be

maintained
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I'll leave opening the hopup and cleaning the barrel for
another day or another guide. Suffice to say, you should
clean your barrel regularly, and you need to remove the
hopup before you do it so that you don't get your hopup
bucking oily. And yes, I teflon modded my pistol's hopup.
Now turn your attention back to the slide, so we can

remove the loading nozzle assembly. There are three
screws, one in the side of the slide, the others through the
top, which actually also hold on the sight on this pistol.
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Take out the loading nozzle and put a thin coat of heavy
grease all over the outside. Then put quite a bit of grease
on the little "rails" on the side of the nozzle. Spread it
better then the picture, but get enough on there that it
will get on the parts inside the assembly.
I also put a thin layer of grease on the cylinder cup, just

for a better seal and less friction. Put the cup back on and
the nozzle into the assembly, but before you screw it all
back into the slide, work it back and forth in the mount
where it will slide when the gun is fired. If you pull it back
out, the grease should've spread out and gotten on the
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inside of the assembly. If there are any large chunks of

grease still on it, wipe them off. You want a thin layer
covering pretty much the whole nozzle. Then screw the
loading nozzle assembly back into the slide.
Next, put grease in the slide rails. The rule here is, any
place that shows paint wear gets grease. If you have a
silver slide, use your best judgement, and grease any place
where metal rubs on metal. I tend to grease liberally, and
then remove whatever is left over.
I also grease the outer barrel, where it rubs on the slide.

Again, look for paint wear to know where it rubs.
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With that done, put the slide back on the pistol, and
without a mag in, rack the slide quickly and repeatedly 810 times. There should be no stiffness or rough spots that
you have to pull through. There may be some grease that
has worked it's way out of the seams, wipe it off and do it
again until no more grease works its way out. Your gun is
now greased. That does it for regular maintenance. Once a
year or so you will want to get into the trigger parts and
regrease those, but they don't move nearly as much as the
slide, so they shouldn't wear nearly as much as the slide
parts.
After I've done this, I like to put two mags through it, for
several reasons. The first I actually learned a long time ago
as a musician: if you show up for the gig and your amp
don't work, you don't get to play.
You don't want to
wait until you need it to fire to find out you forgot to put
the hooziewhatsit back in the thingamajig. So make sure
everything works, and hopefully better than before you
lubed it. Second, grease spreads and thins and works it's
way out of seams. You also put oil in your magazine, which
is going to blow out in the first few shots of the first mag.
It may get oil on your hopup rubber. So, put a couple mags
through the gun, make sure it's working, make sure you've
blown any excess oil out of the mag and pushed any
excess grease out of the slide and nozzle assembly, and
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wipe it down well before you put it away.
Hopup Mods/Upgrades
I'm going to do two things at once here, because I wanted
to replace my hopup bucking, which will require me to
retape it, so I'll show you both at once.
Barrel/Hopup assembly
I'm going to replace the stock bucking with a Nineball

bucking, which is as simple as pulling the old one off and
putting the new one on. When you put it on, make sure
you have the little ridge on the inside of the bucking lined
up with the notch in the barrel.
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Run a single wrap of teflon tape around the entire bucking

and end of the barrel, starting from the bucking side, until
it's far enough to show outside of the hopup unit when it's
reassembled. If you have trouble reassembling the hopup,
like the barrel is too thick, that means you used too much
tape. Remove it all and try again. A single wrap means
each wrap around covers half of the previous wrap, so the
next wrap covers the half that isn't covered yet, etc. You
should end up with exactly 2 layers of teflon tape, one
overlapping the other halfway, except at the very ends,
where you'll get an extra half-wrap where you straightened
out the tape. The important part is the very middle, where
the bucking steps down to the barrel, that is what you are
trying to seal.
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Here you can see the teflon tape showing outside the
reassembled hopup unit
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This serves a couple of purposes. One is to keep gas from

escaping from the back end of the hopup bucking, where it
is just sitting on the barrel. Pressure from the hopup unit
should keep that from happening, but ACM tolerances
being what they are, gas escapes. A decent bucking will
get a better seal and keep gas from escaping out the
front, and some teflon tape will keep gas from escaping
from the back side of the bucking. The other purpose it
serves is it makes the bucking more rigid where the nozzle
connects, getting a better seal. With a decent bucking
that shouldn't be necessary, a good bucking should be rigid
enough, but if you have a stock bucking, you'll probably
see a noticable difference after taping the bucking.
Gas Mag Parts

The important parts are shown here.
Fill Valve
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The lip, floating valve, and bb feeder
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Oiling Your Magazine

There are really only a few parts to the mag, and the seals
are all that need to be oiled. If your mag or gas came with
an adapter that has an oil valve on it, follow the
instructions that came with it, because your seals will be
oiled every time you fill the mag. For "dry" gasses, like
propane, you'll need to lube your seals maybe once a
month if you use the gun a lot. The more gas you put
through the mag, the faster your seals will dry out. For
this, I use an silicon/teflon mix areosol spray.
Start with the fill valve, you want a few drops in the valve
well, like this:
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Then use a propane adaptor (not attached to a tank) to

work the valve open and closed 8-10 times. After that,
wipe the excess oil off.
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Then oil the floating valve the same way
And work the valve with your finger. Afterwards, wipe off
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any excess oil.
That's it for regular maintenance. On a less frequent basis

you'll want to lube the chamber o-ring, assuming your
particular mag has one. You can see how to get to the oring in the "fix leaks" section below.
How To Fix Leaks

Leaks in these mags are most likely to occur because your
chamber o-ring isn't making a good seal. If the leak is bad
enough, you'll actually be able to hear it right after a fill.
The mag in the picture had an audible leak when I first got
it, so I did the thread mod, which works like this.
Remove the chamber screw
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Seperate the halves of the chamber
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Remove o-ring and wrap thread around where the o-ring

goes. This should cause the o-ring to stand further out,
creating a better seal. While you have it open, a little
silicone lube or gasket conditioner is a good idea. Hint: the
thread will soak up the lube, so go ahead and put some
lube on the thread so that it feeds lube to the o-ring
instead of stealing it.
How To Improve Gas Efficiency

Improving gas efficiency means getting better use of the
gas that is coming out. You won't be getting any more gas
out of the mag, but you'll gain a bit of speed/power and
your blowback will be noticably harder.
Start by taking the top of the mag off, by removing the pin
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With the pin out, you should be able to tilt the top
forward, and pull it out of the mag
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What you'll see inside is the lip, or the seal from the
floating valve to the gun itself.
Pull the lip out, and you'll see the space where it goes
underneath. What you're going to do is make a shim to put
in here.
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To make a shim, I used the plastic that comes from a 6pack of bottled coke. Anything that is under 1mm thick is
good, you don't want it to be high enough to cause it to
lose seal at the bottom. You also want to use some kind of
plastic so that it doesn't swell or absorb lube or anything.
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Using the lip as a template, cut out a peice of plastic that

is the same size as the base of the lip
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Then cut out the middle to approximately the same size as

the base of the lip
Try it in the mag and trim as necessary to get a good fit
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When you put it all back together, the lip should stand just
a little bit higher off the top of the mag, giving you a
better seal with the lip in the blowback unit. If it's not
enough, if you still lose more gas than the gun puts to use,
add another shim.
After I did this, my 226 kicks like you wouldn't believe, and
it hits noticably harder than before. I don't have a chrono
to give you real numbers, but the increase in power and
kick is definitely noticable, and the whole gun functions
better with the mag working more efficiently. You still use
gas at the same rate as before, you would need a
replacement floating valve to make it use less, but you're
putting the gas you use to better use now.
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Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008,

06:53:47 AM
Excellent pics and tips! I'm doing inventory on my gas gun

collection right now and shooting some guns that haven't
been shot in awhile. I'm sure your tips will come in handy.
Keep up the good work.
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Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008,

11:11:39 AM
Thanks. I'll try to update it as I come up with other fixes

and upgrades. Also, anyone who has other suggestions, let
me know, I'll try it out, take pics, and post a how to.
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Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008,

01:50:03 PM
O0o0 Pictures I just love pictures, usually what would

happen is I would look at the pics then decide if its worth
reading about it, lol I'm slow I know.
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Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008,

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about how many shots per mag are you getting with this
mod?
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Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008,

06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Matthias on May 20, 2008, 04:37:46 PM
about how m any shots pe r m ag are you ge tting with this m od?
You still use essentially the same amount of gas per shot,
because I didn't modify the valve with this mod, so you still
get essentially the same number of shots per fill, which,
with these mags, is anywhere from 20-35, depending on
the individual mag and the gun (QC at KJW is not great, at
least in my admittedly limited experience). With a couple of
"however's".
With this mag before I would have problems with the
blowback not being hard enough (especially after the mag
was half empty), because the seal sucked, and the valve
would sometimes stay open longer, or it would double tap
with the valve open, or the loading nozzle would stick
forward, letting half a mag's worth of gas out all at once.
That doesn't happen anymore, now that the slide racks
back hard enough to make everything cycle properly. Prior
to the 2 mods I wrote about above, not only did it leak
audibly, emptying a the gas out completely in about 20
minutes, but I usually only fired about 10-14 bbs per fill,
because after about 8-10 shots it would start to double
tap or the nozzle would stick forward, and almost all the
gas would blow out at once. The first time I loaded and
fired this mag, I felt robbed and figured it was a $40 paper
weight, becqause it was useless as a magazine. The last
time I fired this gun (after the mods) I fired a full 25 round
mag plus 5 more before I ran out of gas, and it cycled and
loaded a 6th bb, it just didn't have any gas left to shoot it.
I've put 10 or so 25 round mags through it since the mods,
and it doesn't show any performance degradation so far.
For my usage, that's perfect, because in a game I would
use one fill per mag. Gas expense isn't a worry because
I've filled at least 40 times out of a single propane tank
that cost me $2.35 at wal mart (that's about a nickel a fill
), so I'd actually rather get just over a single mag from
a single fill: just enough to fire the full mag and lock the
slide back so I know I'm empty. I press the valve and dump
whatever's left in there before a refill, since propane is so
cheap.
In this case, I used 2 "coke-bottle 6-pack" shims under the
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lip. I tried with one, and the difference was noticable, but I
added the second to see if it got any better, and it did.
Kicks even harder, cycles even faster, hits even harder,
etc. I can't tell you FPS because I don't have a chrono,
but I can tell you that it's punching through cardboard
targets at 20 feet now (with straight shots, angled shots
still usually deflect), and it wasn't before.
Remember, this is only a gas usage efficiency mod, it won't
directly give you more shots per mag, it will only make
better use of whatever gas the mag releases on each
cycle. However, because a lot of the performance
problems with gas pistols are directly related to how
efficiently the gas is used, it should make the whole pistol
function better. When the slide racks fully and properly,
and at a high speed, the loading nozzle tends to get
cycled back rather than sticking, the hammer gets cocked
properly every time, releasing the firing pin from the valve
button sooner, making for shorter gas releases from the
mag, giving you overall better perfomance and lower gas
usage. Now, when I say shorter releases, we're talking
about a very tiny difference in the length of the release,
but the faster the cycle, the shorter the gas release time,
so it does go down slightly. Part of the reason the plastic
slide pistols perform so well is because it doesn't take
much gas to rack the light slide, so even with low-pressure
gas the firing cycle is fast. Improving your seals will help a
pistol with a metal slide perform more like a pistol with a
plastic slide. The slide is still substantially heavier and
therefore takes more energy to rack than a plastic one,
but better seals should help you get comparable cycle
times and muzzle speeds with the heavier slide.
ryanm
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Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008,

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Very Very Nice! as soon as summer rolls around and i have

time away from college searching i will be doing some of
this.
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I would like a basic maintenance with pics though. I know

where to lube on the slide, but i am unsure where else to
go and feel as if i am missing some vital location.
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Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008,

11:47:12 AM
Will do. Unfortunately, that kind of thing will be rather

model specific, while the gas mag fixes I mentioned here
work for any gas mag with a similar design (which includes
any sig 226/229, most 190s, and many M9s). I guess the
parts are similar enough that people can figure it out. I'll
try to get a basic maintenance guide up this weekend.
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Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008,

11:54:35 AM
I had to fix a few of my M190 mags in a similar fashion.

Didn't do the shim thing, but instead of using thread I just
wrapped some teflon tape around that area (one or two
wraps) then put the oring back on, and added a few more
wraps on and below it. Works perfect.
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Quote from: FenrisWolf on May 21, 2008, 11:54:35 A M

I had to fix a fe w of m y M190 m ags in a sim ilar fashion. Didn't do
the shim thing, but inste ad of using thre ad I just wrappe d som e
te flon tape around that are a (one or two wraps) the n put the oring
back on, and adde d a fe w m ore wraps on and be low it. W ork s
pe rfe ct.
I used thread for the thickness. Anything that makes the

o-ring stand higher out of the groove should work.
Depending on how bad the leak is, you just add more
material under the o-ring.
As for the shims, some clips don't need it and won't benefit
from it. I know the HFC mag that came with the gun is
designed in such a way that the lip is as high as it can
possibly go without any shims, and of course I never had
any performance problems with that mag, I just had a fill
valve problem that coulnd't be fixed and required the valve
to be replaced, and I still haven't replaced that valve.
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Reply #10 on: May 23, 2008,
12:28:28 AM
Sorry about the double-post, I wouldn't normally do it, but

I wanted to bring this post back up for the people who
wanted a gas gun maintenance guide. I've added a brief
guide, skipping over barrel cleaning, and if there is anything
I forgot or that you think should be different, feel free to
let me know.
Hope that helps,
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Reply #11 on: May 23, 2008,

11:46:54 AM
Great guide, I will try the shim mod.

I was getting a small gas leak from the inlet valve of my
TM Hicapa. I simply tightened the chamber screw next to
the inlet and it stopped the leak.
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Reply #12 on: May 27, 2008,
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For the shim mod (I think that is most popular lol), all
magazines are compatable, correct? I have a TM 1911 and
I just want to be sure before I open in it... it's my life
basically... yes, I know that is sad. lol.
Also, I vote sticky.

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Quote from: Dr Burke on May 27, 2008, 12:49:44 A M

For the shim m od (I think that is m ost popular lol), all m agazine s
are com patable , corre ct? I have a TM 1911 and I just want to be sure
be fore I ope n in it... it's m y life basically... ye s, I k now that is sad.
lol.
Assuming it works the same way and is built in a similar

way: a rubber lip on top of the mag that uses a pressure
seal to connect to the blowback unit. Assuming you can
get to the lip, of course. Any mag that works that way and
isn't built in a way that prevents the lip from being raised
or gotten to to be worked on should benefit from that mod.
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I do have an HFC mag for my 226 that the mod wouldn't

help any, because the way it is built, the lip cannot go any
farther up. But that mag never had any seal problems, so it
doesn't need the mod.
As with all mods, they may work better or worse in
different models, from different manufacturers, and the
results will vary by the materials you use and the materials
you are modding. The concept is sound, though. There's
nothing complicated about a gas mag. It's a chamber with
2 valves and a spring in front of it to feed the bbs. I take
apart all of my guns to see how they work, though, and
you may not be comfortable doing that.
If you post a pic of the top of the mag I might be able to
tell you.
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Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008,
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Ok will do.
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Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008,
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does the magazine mod increase the performance of higher

end pistols (TM, KWA, WA, etc.) since those pistols
generally have a pretty good seal? great guide by the way.
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the part on fixing leaks will definitely solve a lot of people's

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Quote from: tpfalcons on June 02, 2008, 10:26:29 PM

doe s the m agazine m od incre ase the pe rform ance of highe r e nd
pistols (TM, KW A, W A, e tc.) since those pistols ge ne rally have a
pre tty good se al? gre at guide by the way. the part on fix ing le ak s will
de finite ly solve a lot of pe ople 's proble m s
Without looking at the mag in person it's hard to say.

However, if you want to send me a couple high-end pistols
to play with, I bet I can come up with some performance
mods.
If it gets good seal you probably don't need to do it, but
you might see some improvement. The way to tell if it will
even work is to take the cap off the top of the mag and
see how the rubber lip fits in there. If there's space for it
to move higher or lower in the cap, then the mod should
work. If it can't possibly move up because some part of
the cap is physically in the way of the lip sitting any
higher, then the mod won't work. The HFC mag that I got
with the gun is that way; the way the lip fits into the cap
it can't possibly go any higher. Both of the KJW spare mags
I bought benefitted from the mod, though.
I don't know how much it helped because I did several
mods at the same time, but teflon taping your hopup
bucking might make a difference too. It's just one more
place for gas to escape, so any place you can seal up
where gas might leak should improve efficiency. If you
need a guide for that, look in the snipers perch, everybody
does that with bolt action rifles.
Quote from: Dr Burke on May 27, 2008, 12:35:01 PM
This good e nough?
More like the last pic I in the original post above, so you
can see how much the lip sticks out from the top of the
cap.
I added changing the hopup bucking and the teflon mod to

the GBB guide.
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Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008,
12:22:34 PM
You triple posted. You *may* want to try and edit them
together so it doesn't get picked up on the radar.
As for my picture, it's coming as fast as it can.
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Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008,
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Yeah, the first one was a couple days before so I didn't

even notice. Fixed!
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Reply #19 on: June 04, 2008,
06:24:49 PM
Thank you for the information ryanm, I have a KJW SIG226 and since day one, the magazine leaked gas like crazy
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and was totaly unreliable. The gun had some doublefeeding issues tha where corrected by polishing the
blowback chamber and aside from the leakin mag, it was
like a dream because I love that SIG model.
Now the mag can handle 48 BBs before needing a refill,
so...THANKs A LOT
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Reply #20 on: June 04, 2008,
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Quote from: Collector64 on June 04, 2008, 06:24:49 PM

Thank you for the inform ation ryanm , I have a KJW SIG-226 and
since day one , the m agazine le ak e d gas lik e crazy and was totaly
unre liable . The gun had som e double -fe e ding issue s tha whe re
corre cte d by polishing the blowback cham be r and aside from the
le ak in m ag, it was lik e a dre am be cause I love that SIG m ode l.
Now the m ag can handle 48 BBs be fore ne e ding a re fill,
so...THANKs A LO T
Glad I could help!

What did you polish to help the double-feeding issue? Are
you talking about part of the loading nozzle, or some place
where metal touches metal, to cause less friction when it
cycles?
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Reply #21 on: June 06, 2008,
03:57:33 PM
The loading nozzle is the part that I polished; that part

actually is the feeding nozzle-blowback chamber and is a
part made by injection moulding, the way it is made leaves
sometimes "plastic flash"(I am a long time plastic military
modeler and know about plastics alot). In my gun there
was some "flash" that was removed and the whole thing
polished on the outside with fine sandpaper 1200 grit and a
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plastic polishing compound called Novus, the guide rails you

mentioned too.
Care must be taken no to overdo the work or you end up
with a non workining feeding-blowbak chamber. I still get a
doublefeeding once in 5-6 mags, but that is a lot better
than 2-3 times on every mag.I think that this problem is a
desing flaw and you can improve on it, but will not leave
you, but hey, a shotgun efect once in a while is kind of
neat... :-D
... and the gun performs even better now.
Hope it helps
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Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008,
12:49:08 AM
"Remove o-ring and wrap thread around where the o-ring

goes. This should cause the o-ring to stand further out,
creating a better seal. While you have it open, a little
silicone lube or gasket conditioner is a good idea. Hint: the
thread will soak up the lube, so go ahead and put some
lube on the thread so that it feeds lube to the o-ring
instead of stealing it."
Ok, so I never use forums so you will have to excuse me if
i do not know all of the ettiquette...
anyways. I have a KJW sig 229 GBB which seems from your
pitcures to be very similar to the KJW 226 with regards to
the magazines. I have had 2 magazines now for this gun
and returned the first one to airsplat when I noticed a leak
after a few days. Now I am on the second mag and have
noticed another leak that was preventing the gun from
working because it was such a bad leak. I tried your thread
mod for it and it worked fairly well for the most part until I
went to use the gun again and could hear the audible leak
again. So my question now is, should I try like teflon tape
or plumbers tape around the o-ring area or do you think
that the actual O-ring itself may be damaged. Then, if I
were to replace the o-ring is this even possible to find on
the market or would I just have to dump the magazine?
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Reply #23 on: July 03, 2008,
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Quote from: gboidy88 on July 03, 2008, 12:49:08 A M

anyways. I have a KJW sig 229 GBB which se e m s from your pitcure s
to be ve ry sim ilar to the KJW 226 with re gards to the m agazine s. I
have had 2 m agazine s now for this gun and re turne d the first one to
airsplat whe n I notice d a le ak afte r a fe w days. Now I am on the
se cond m ag and have notice d anothe r le ak that was pre ve nting the
gun from work ing be cause it was such a bad le ak . I trie d your thre ad
m od for it and it work e d fairly we ll for the m ost part until I we nt to
use the gun again and could he ar the audible le ak again. So m y
que stion now is, should I try lik e te flon tape or plum be rs tape around
the o-ring are a or do you think that the actual O -ring itse lf m ay be
dam age d. The n, if I we re to re place the o-ring is this e ve n possible
to find on the m ark e t or would I just have to dum p the m agazine ?
Any sugge stions/he lp is gre atly appre ciate d!
Inspect the o-ring and make sure it's not damaged. Look
for cuts or breaks or thin spots. If it's damaged, you'll need
to replace it. You should be able to find one at the
hardware store, although a chain store may or may not
have it. Take the old ring with you and try to find one that
matches both the size and thickness, or if possible, slightly
thicker. Look in the plumbing section. If the o-ring is not
damaged, try wrapping more thread. Teflon tape may help
also. You may want to do both.
Something else to chek out is the place where the o-ring
sits. Is it straight and even, or is it ragged at the edges? If
it's not straight and even, there may be nothing you can
do. You need the o-ring to press firmly and evenly against
the outer shell of the mag in order to get a good seal.
You'll know when it's got enough thread/tape when it takes
a bit of work to get the mag back together. That means
the o-ring is standing out far enough that it's making good
contact with the body of the mag, so you should get a
good seal. Also, make sure you lube the o-ring while you
have it out, because if it gets too dry, that can cause it to
lose seal too.
Post a pic if you can't get it working, the closer the better.
I may be able to tell you from looking at it what you can
do to fix it. Really, unless part of the metal sheared off or
was just badly manufactured, these mags are almost
always fixable. I know, you shouldn't have to fix a mag you
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airsoft.
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Reply #24 on: July 03, 2008,
02:02:47 AM
Ok, so after my last post I got to work on the mag again.

Tried the thread again unsuccessfully and then went on to
try the teflon tape. The first try with the teflon tape did
not work which seemed because I used too much silicon oil
which made the tape see-through and not as plyable.
When I tested the mag the leak was horrible. However, on
the second try with the teflon tape it fixed the leak. What
I did this time was wipe off all excess oil around where the
o-ring goes and then wrap the teflon tape around the dip
for the o-ring 4 or 5 times and made sure there was not
any tape hanging out of the o-ring dip as to prevent a bad
seal. Then I placed the o-ring back into place and put the
mag back together and filled it successfully with no leaks. I
then shook the mag around a little and shot through 2 clips
of rounds with still no leaks. I greatly appreciated the
advice on this ryanm and thanks alot for the quick
response!
next to try is the shim mod of yours... I will likely post
pitcures when I do this as the p229 mag differs slightly
from the p226 mag.
Best Regards,
Greg B.
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GBB Gun/Mag How To

A Few Words About Grease And Oil

see the outer barrel, you'll see white grease on my gun.

To apply it, I use my finger, or a toothpick, or a popsicle

With the lever down, pull the slide forward until it

Remove the barrel parts from the slide so they can be

Now turn your attention back to the slide, so we can

I also put a thin layer of grease on the cylinder cup, just

inside of the assembly. If there are any large chunks of

I also grease the outer barrel, where it rubs on the slide.

wipe it down well before you put it away.

I'm going to replace the stock bucking with a Nineball

Run a single wrap of teflon tape around the entire bucking

This serves a couple of purposes. One is to keep gas from

Gas Mag Parts

The lip, floating valve, and bb feeder

Oiling Your Magazine

Then use a propane adaptor (not attached to a tank) to

Then oil the floating valve the same way

any excess oil.

That's it for regular maintenance. On a less frequent basis

How To Fix Leaks

Seperate the halves of the chamber

Remove o-ring and wrap thread around where the o-ring

How To Improve Gas Efficiency

Using the lip as a template, cut out a peice of plastic that

Then cut out the middle to approximately the same size as

Try it in the mag and trim as necessary to get a good fit

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Re: P226 Gas Mag How

Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008,

Excellent pics and tips! I'm doing inventory on my gas gun

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Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008,

Thanks. I'll try to update it as I come up with other fixes

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O0o0 Pictures I just love pictures, usually what would

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Very Very Nice! as soon as summer rolls around and i have

I would like a basic maintenance with pics though. I know

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Will do. Unfortunately, that kind of thing will be rather

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