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Encore DVD file too large

by Curtis Bauer on Oct 25, 2011 at 11:39:41 pm

Encore cs5 - timeline is 1 hr 49 min, with one menu and six chapters. Build check
tells me file too large for DVD. Using default preset. Tried to lower bitrate but do not
know how. Do not understand.

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Re: Encore DVD file too large

by Daniel Ludwig on Oct 26, 2011 at 9:35:35 am

Curtins,
you should not import uncompressed movies to encore (MOV or AVI). if youll create
a propper authoring you transcode your assets prior authoring.
therefor you need to do a bitbudgeting, a calculation of your video/audio-bitrate to
not overfill the disc.
encoding could be done with adobe media encoder, that comes with CS5. I would
advice to encode to MPEG2 and Dolby AC3.
please google for tools - there are planty available.
cheers
danny

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Re: Encore DVD file too large

by Jeff Pulera on Oct 26, 2011 at 2:54:18 pm

Hi Curtis,
I agree with Danny, don't leave encoding up to Encore. From Premiere, use Adobe
Media Encoder to create your assets. Choose an "MPEG-2 for DVD" format, and an
appropriate preset, like "NTSC Widescreen" or whatever suits your needs.
There are many "bitrate calculators" available online, but I found a very simple
formula on the Adobe site: 560/minutes=bitrate
For instance, 560/120=4.66, and I round down a bit to allow for menus and other
overhead and leave some safety margin, so 4.5 is a good setting. For short videos, I
recommend not going over 6 or 7, as too high of a bitrate can choke some players. I
generally stick with CBR encoding for most jobs.
In the case you discuss at 1 hour 49 minutes, use 560/109=5.13, so just encode at
5.0 and you should be golden. AME will put out two files, .m2v video and .wav
audio. Create a New DVD Project in Encore - don't mess with default encode settings
- and use File > Import > As Timeline and select the two clips and bring them in.
That's it, then create menus and such. Note that chapter markers from Premiere are
preserved using this method.
The video should NOT require any transcoding, will be left alone, and the .wav file
will be transcoded to Dolby AC-3 automatically when building the job.
You'll be amazed how quickly you can build a disc or image when you don't have to
encode the video. I'm talking a few minutes on a fast machine! For me, this is the
best workflow because it eliminates long renders that upset the creative process
when proofing discs and such.
Thanks
Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

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Re: Encore DVD file too large
by Heidi Alina on Feb 27, 2013 at 12:40:05 am

This is very helpful. But is there any way to fix this in Encore? Unfortunately, I did
not know this before I exported my movie from Premiere, creating a Quicktime .mov
file, which I then imported into Encore to create my DVD. My DVD is an hour and
25min long, but I have created 25 chapters and spent probably more than 10 hours
putting it all together due to program crashes and other problems, and I really don't
want to have to go back to Premiere and recreate all those chapters and encode the
movie again (which took my system more than 8 hours the first time).
If I DO have to resort to that, is a P2 Movie the same as MPEG-2 for DVD? I don't see
the MPEG-2 for DVD option in Premier CS6, but there is a P2 Movie option.
Thanks for the help.

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Re: Encore DVD file too large
by Heidi Alina on Feb 27, 2013 at 7:41:26 am

Strange that I don't have the MPEG-2 for DVD preset - why would that be? I've
searched and searched and definitely don't have it. I'm at a loss as to what I can do
to actually create a DVD movie now! Seems like this should be such a simple thing
to be able to fit an hour-and-a-half long movie onto a DVD-R that is supposed to be
able to handle up to 2 hours...
Please Help!!

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Re: Encore DVD file too large

by Jeff Pulera on Feb 27, 2013 at 2:52:49 pm

Hi Heidi,
I've seen a few recent postings from people missing the MPEG-2 encoding presets.
You will probably need to uninstall/reinstall Adobe programs to resolve, as
something went bad with the initial install. Assuming you are running fully licensed
version - certain codecs are missing from trial versions due to licensing/royalty
issues.
DVDs use ONE format, and that is MPEG-2 encoded a certain way, so if you import
anything else into Encore, it will need to Transcode, meaning the video will be
encoded yet again inside Encore before burning.
Try this - in Encore, go to File > Edit Quality Presets
There you will find the Export Settings panel. Choose "MPEG-2 DVD" for Format, and
for Preset, choose "NTSC DV High Quality 8mb CBR 1 Pass". Then go to the VIDEO
tab and adjust the following parameters:
Frame Rate
Aspect Ratio
Bitrate
Frame rate is usually 29.97, and aspect will be 4:3 or 16:9, choose the latter for
widescreen source. For bitrate, with 1 hour 25 minutes of video, set that at 6.5
Under AUDIO tab, make sure it is "Dolby Digital".
"Check Project" again and see if you get the too large error. If so, lower bitrate to
6.4 and try again.
I hope this works for you
Thanks
Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

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Re: Encore DVD file too large

by Heidi Alina on Feb 27, 2013 at 4:12:23 pm

Thank you so much - I will try it and let you know!!

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Re: Encore DVD file too large
by Heidi Alina on Feb 27, 2013 at 7:17:42 pm

Well, no luck. I even created a new quicktime movie with lower settings that was
half the size of the original; created a new Encore project using that, but still the file
is too large to burn to disc.
I checked my CS5.5, and I do have the MPEG-2 DVD preset in that program, so looks
like I will have to start all over and use CS5.5. Thanks for the advice.

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Re: Encore DVD file too large

by Jeff Pulera on Feb 27, 2013 at 8:50:50 pm

Hi Heidi,
To be clear, the size of the .mov file you Import to Encore has nothing to do with the
"too large" error, since Encore needs to TRANSCODE that to another format (MPEG2) anyway.
The best practice is to create the correct assets using AME right from Premiere, then
Import into Encore and no further transcoding needed for the video content, is
ready for Encore to use.
Search the web for "bitrate calculator" and use one to determine best bitrate for
your content so that it will fit the disc in Encore. I just use 560/minutes=rate and
round down a touch, but that's just me ;-)
Thanks
Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

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Re: Encore DVD file too large
by Heidi Alina on Feb 28, 2013 at 1:09:56 am

OK, now I am trying to export from Premiere Pro CS5.5 using the MPEG-2 DVD
preset and the other info you gave above, but for some reason the file that's being
created only contains the first 4 seconds of the movie! I have been trying to create
this DVD for days now and am getting really frustrated!! I can't understand why the
program is not exporting my entire timeline...

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Re: Encore DVD file too large

by Heidi Alina on Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33:11 pm

Well, I finally got a DVD burned using the Dynamic Link, and using the CS5.5 version
of Premiere and Encore. Still having some problems - the DVD plays fine on my
computer, but the sound is just hissing when I try it on a regular DVD player. I'm
going to try another player, and also try burning using higher bitrate setting for the
audio - for some reason it's defaulting to 192, but telling me that 228 or higher

provides good quality for stereo.

Also, I have edited the Quality Presets in Encore, but every time I go to check them,
they've changed back to their original settings (which is MPEG2 Blu-ray for some
reason). Maybe this is because I'm using the Dynamic Link?
I also figured out why Premiere was not exporting my entire timeline - the Source
Range was not set to Entire Sequence for some reason (that's usually the default I
think). I'm exporting using the MPEG-2 DVD preset now and maybe that will allow
me to create a more reliable DVD with Encore.
I have spent WAY too much time on this project - but I guess mostly this was
because my CS6 programs are not working properly. I have fully licensed programs,
but do not have the original disks, so I'm worried that if I run the uninstall, I won't be
able to re-install. Do you know how that works? If I run the uninstall program, does it
leave me a .dmg program that I can then run to re-install?
And I still have the problem that when CS6 was installed it wiped out the Library and
resources from CS5, so even though my CS5 programs are working better than CS6,
I'm missing those resources and not sure I can get them back.
Sorry I've posted such a wide range of questions here! One last simple one - when I
am previewing my DVD in Encore and I press the Stop button, I would expect it to
return to the Main Menu, but it just stops where it is, leaving the scene on the
screen. No errors are showing when I check the project. I've tried setting an End
Action for each chapter, linking to the Main Menu, but that results in an error when I
run Check Project ("End action will not execute because of end action on the final
chapter point"). Pressing the stop button does seem to cause a problem when I'm
playing the DVD too - the DVD just goes to a blank screen instead of back to the
Main Menu. If you press Play again, it continues playing from the scene where you
pressed Stop. How do I make the DVD go to the Main Menu when the Stop button is
pressed?

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Re: Encore DVD file too large
by Heidi Alina on Feb 28, 2013 at 6:10:41 pm

I finally got CS5.5 to successfully export using the MPEG-2 DVD format, but when I
use the files in Encore (imported as a timeline), I get the error "Project exceeds disc
capacity" when checking the project. I used a bitrate of 6.5 when encoding in
Premiere (which should be correct, according to the calculator, for an 85min long
video).
It took about 4 hours to encode, so if I'm going to adjust the bitrate and try again, I
want to be sure to get it right because I really need this project to be done today!!
Thanks

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Re: Encore DVD file too large
by Jeff Pulera on Feb 28, 2013 at 6:48:43 pm

Before you re-encode, please go to BUILD section and rather than DISC, select
FOLDER or IMAGE. In the panel, it should tell you the file SIZE. Please check this and
let us know what it says.
Also, is audio set to transcode to Dolby? If not, then the PCM audio WILL put the
project over size. Dolby is ON by default
Thanks
Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

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