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A says:

Most humans agree in principle on what ethical [moral] behavior is. My


definition is "Don't murder. Don't torture. Don't rape. Do help people in
distress and need." That's not that hard to understand. The devil is in the
details. It's wrong to kill when it's murder, but self defense can be
justified, for example.
B replies:
Your little list of unethical acts "murder, rape and torture" are actually very
common and very normal in the animal kingdom. We are after all, animals
with "Godly" conscious. If you could communicate with a bear and tell him
not to kill a weaker bear and his cubs, rape his wife and move into his
home what would you tell him? Just because it's not nice or fair? What is
"nice". The reality is, his killing of the weaker bear strengthens his
species. You would lose that argument 10/10 times. The truth is
everything you see as "normal" or "good" is a product of religion, what is
logical to you today is a product of thousands of years of law and society
all formed by religion. Our individual existence is minuscule in
comparison.
A replies:
Utterly incorrect. Religions through the ages have co-opted those social
mores and memes which facilitated the religions' adoption by its
incubating population -- then spread through a combination of the sword
and selective aggregation of social imprints from the new hosting
environment. Morals can be shown to be evolved considerations
independent of any dogmatic influence, with seminal empathic behaviors
evident in many animal populations, manifesting a generally more
comprehensive palette the closer one gets to homo sapiens.

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