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Cananybodyexplainwhatexactlytheterm"BlindHandover"mean
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September3,2012

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Shaileshchidrawar
Itisahandoverwhichishappenwithoutmeasurementreporti.e.BSdirectlyinstructaUEfor
selectingparticularneighboringcell.
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September4,2012

VinaySagarDeekonda
@Shailesh:InwhichscenariodoesBlindHandoverhappen??DoesBlindHandoverhappen
onlyduringInterSystemHandovercase(UEconnectedtoLTENtwkmovesintoareawhere
LTENtwkis'ntthereandsolatchesontoUMTSNtwkavailableinthatparticulararea)oreven
withinsameSystemdoesBlindHandoverHappens(UMTSUMTS)??
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September4,2012

Shaileshchidrawar
BlindHandoverhappensonlyduringintersystemhandover.
Consideracase,eNBmustawareofUMTSneighboringcellforcertainLTEcells.Ifsignal
qualitydecreases,thenMMEreportstoSGSNorMSCthat2G/3Ghandoverisnecessary.So
hereblindhandoverhappenbecausenomeasurementreportofUMTScellisavailablefor
handoverdecision.
Therearemultipledisadvantagesofthisproceduree.g.whathappenifUEnotabletosyncwith
GSM/UMTScell?Andmostimportantisiftheuserisalreadyhavingvoicecallthentheremust
besomeinterruptionincall.
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September4,2012

Shaileshchidrawar
InterSystemHandover:
Signaling:ThroughS3interfacebetweenMMEand3GSGSN
Data:ThroughS4interfacebetweenSGWand3GSGSN
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September4,2012

VinaySagarDeekonda
@Shailesh:IsBlindHandoverpossiblebetweena2G(GSM)Systemand4G(LTE)System??
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September4,2012

Shaileshchidrawar
Yes,Ithinkitispossible,butnotpracticallyverified,
[1]FromS13interfacewhichconnectbetweenMME>EIR>MSC
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September5,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
HIVinay!
AsstatedbyotherExperts,BlindHOmenaswithoutlookingatHOcriteria(Thresholdsetc)UE
takeHOtothebestavailbleneighbourcell(InterLTEorInterSystem(WCDMA/GSM).

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itcouldbeInterLTE,LTEtoWCDMAorLTEtoGSM.
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September5,2012

VinaySagarDeekonda
@All:IntheHandoverscenariooccuringviaX2InterfaceinLTEtheeNodeBhimselftriggers
theHOwithoutconsentofUE.CanweconsiderthisHOasaBlindHandover??.
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September5,2012

NarayananMoorthi
Hiall,
eNBtriggershandoveratthetimeofloadbalancingwithoutMeasurementreportfromtheUE.
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September6,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
@Vinay:IncaseofX2,eNBtriggers,HObasedonUEmeasurements,reportedcellandtheir
RSRPleveletcbytheUE,explorewhatexactlyyoumean?
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September6,2012

VinaySagarDeekonda
@Sandeep:EarlieryousaidthatBlindHandoverispossibleinInterLTE.Inwhichparticular
scenariodoesBlindHandovertakesplacewithinLTENetworkbecauseinmostofthecases
BlindHandovertakesplacebetweentwodifferentsystemsratherthantakingplacewithinsame
system??
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September6,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
ThereisathresholdwedefineinLTE"th4",onceservingRSRPreachesbelowthislevel,UE
blindlygetredirectedtothebestavailableCell(Basedonpriorityetc).hereyoumayseedipin
Tputandthenitcampuptonextbestavailablecell(InterLTEorInterRat).Nodatabuffersingetc
involved.
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September6,2012

VinaySagarDeekonda
@Sandeep:SoisthiscaseapplicabletoLTEonlyoralsoBlindHandovercanhappenwithin
GSMandwithinUMTSsystemalso??
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September6,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
Idon'thaveexperienceonthiswithinGSM/WCDMA,interGSM/WCDMAandGSM/WCDMA
towardsLTE.
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September6,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
Ihaveexperiencewith
LTE<>LTE(InterLTE,maybedefffrequencyetc)
LTE>WCDMA(LTEtowardsWCDMA)
LTE>GSM,(LTEtowardsGSM)
ThistypeofhandoverishelpfulwhenyourdefinedHOcriteriadonotmetorsystemisnot
supportingInterRatHO(asworkaround)
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September6,2012

Shaileshchidrawar
@Vinay:BlindHandoverhappentoanywirelesstechnology,likebetweenGSM>WCDMA,
GSM>LTEorLTE>WCDMA
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September6,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
ThanksShaileshforyourinput,actuallyIdidnotcomeacrossBlindHO/Redirectiontowards
WCDMAfromGSM,towardsGSMfromWCDMAandWCDMA/GSMtowardsLTE.
Couldyoupleasebriefonthisforbetterunderstandingforallofus,events,criteriainvolved,
howdoesithappen.....(IhaveexperienceonthiswithLTEtowardsotherTechincluding
CDMA/HRPD,LTE,FDDUTRA,TDDUTRA,GSM.etc)
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September6,2012

Shaileshchidrawar

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B2Eventdoesthat
i.e.thiseventoccuswhenServingbecomesworsethanthreshold1ANDinterRATneighbor
becomesbetterthanthreshold2
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September7,2012

SANDEEPMANITRIPATHI
@Shailesh:ThenthiseventweshouldnotsayBlindasUEismeasuringTarget?
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September7,2012

Shaileshchidrawar
@Sandeep:Thisisgoodcatch..
Wewillaskotherexpertstocommentonthis,forblindHOwhicheventshouldpresent
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September7,2012

MichalMorawiec
BlindHOcancanalsohappenwithinthesamesystem.E.g.BlindHOissupportedinWCDMA
asIFHOalso.
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September13,2012

DanBirkett
FromUEperspective,nomeasurementreportshavebeensentandtheUEisredirectedtoany
otherFrequencyorRATwithouthavingpreviouslymeasured/synchronisedtothetargetcell.
ThisishighlyundesirableasitassumestheNWknowswhatitisdoing,whichisnotoftenthe
case)
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September13,2012

ZoharLazar
Onemorescenarioiswhenyouaredoingnationalroamingandthehomenetworkdoesn'thave
accesstotheNRP,theonlythingthattheyarehavingisaneighborlistsoablindHOis
performed(thiscanbeinthesametechnologyorInterRat).
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September14,2012

VaibhavSrivastava
IsitpossibletogetblindhandoverandMeasurementbasedHandoveratthesamelocation?
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January28,2013

SabyaSachi
inBlindHandover....DoesUEsendsMeasurementReporttoEnodeB.........?
bcoswhenUEsensedstheRSRPvaluescomesdownonparticularcellthewhathewillinform
toEnodeBsothatEnodeBwillreportHandoverrequiredtoMMEand2ndthinghowagainitwill
latchtonetwork.........?
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April16,2013

NarayananMoorthi
ForBlindHandover,UEwontsendMeasurementReportMessagetotheeNB.
IfUEsendsMeasurementReport,whichincludesRsRpvaluesofServingandTargetcell,to
theeNB,eNBmaysendHandoverRequestMessagetotheMME.ThisiscalledasNormal
HandoverProcedure.
Note:BlindHandoverTriggeredbyeNB,UEshallnotTriggerBlindHandover.
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April16,2013

deepakshastry
IwouldsayUEcansendA2measurementreportinformingtheNWthattheservingcells
gettingworsethantheA2threshold(a2ThresholdasdefinedwithinreportConfigEUTRAinRRC
connectionReconfiguration).ThentheNWwoulddecidetomovetheUEtoanotherEARFCNor
toanotherNW(RAT).eNBgenerallysendsRRCConnectionreleasewithredirectiontothat
EARFCN(incaseofLTEBLHO).
RRCConnectionReleaser8IEs::=SEQUENCE{
releaseCauseReleaseCause,
redirectedCarrierInfoRedirectedCarrierInfoOPTIONAL,NeedON
idleModeMobilityControlInfoIdleModeMobilityControlInfoOPTIONAL,NeedOP
nonCriticalExtensionRRCConnectionReleasev890IEsOPTIONAL
}
RedirectedCarrierInfo::=CHOICE{
eutraARFCNValueEUTRA,
geranCarrierFreqsGERAN,

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utraFDDARFCNValueUTRA,
utraTDDARFCNValueUTRA,
cdma2000HRPDCarrierFreqCDMA2000,
cdma20001xRTTCarrierFreqCDMA2000,
...,
utraTDDr10CarrierFreqListUTRATDDr10

Thanks
Deepak
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April16,2013

SabyaSachi
howEnodeBwillknowUEhaschangedthecellandgettingLow...RSRP.anyhowithasto
InformEnodeB....
plsgivemecompleteschenario.........
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April17,2013

deepakshastry
@SabyaSachi:hereisthescenario:
1.UEcampedoncertaincellsayPCI5EARFCN900
1.UEreceivesRRCConnectionreconfigurationwithA2measurementsset(forthis
measurement,considerthecellthatisconfiguredonthefrequencyindicatedinthe
associatedmeasObjectEUTRAtobetheservingcell)
(36.3315.5.5)
eventA2SEQUENCE{
a2ThresholdThresholdEUTRA
},
1.UEsendsMeasurementReporttotheeNB,informingaboutthestatus(RSRP)ofitsserving
cell.
1.IfthecurrentRSRPmeetsthethreshold.
(36.3315.5.4.3)
InequalityA22(Leavingcondition)
MsHys>Thresh
1.TheeNBmaynowdecidetoBLHOtheUEtoadifferentcarrier
RRCConnectionReleaser8IEs::=SEQUENCE{
releaseCauseReleaseCause,
redirectedCarrierInfoRedirectedCarrierInfoOPTIONAL,NeedON
idleModeMobilityControlInfoIdleModeMobilityControlInfoOPTIONAL,NeedOP
nonCriticalExtensionRRCConnectionReleasev890IEsOPTIONAL
}
RedirectedCarrierInfo::=CHOICE{
eutraARFCNValueEUTRA,
geranCarrierFreqsGERAN,
utraFDDARFCNValueUTRA,
utraTDDARFCNValueUTRA,
cdma2000HRPDCarrierFreqCDMA2000,
cdma20001xRTTCarrierFreqCDMA2000,
...,
utraTDDr10CarrierFreqListUTRATDDr10
ThisisoneexamplescenarioforBLHO

Thanks
Deepak
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April17,2013

S.SunilKumar
"DirectedRetrytoGSM"Featureusedin3GtoOffloadVoiceCalls(SpeechOnly)isone
exampleofBlindHandover,where3GNetworkpushestheVoicecallto2GNetworkfor
specifictoSpecificCell.
Thefeatureisdevelopedwithagreaterbeliefthattarget2GCellCoverageisminimumexactly
sameormorethan(better)the3GCell.Radioteamstomakesurethatthecoverageperfectly
overlappedandthetargetisnottheusuallycongestedcell.

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ThisisthespecificHOwheretheRANRNCdetectsandtriggerstheHO.
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April24,2013

RamyAbdo
WhataboutHOinitiatedduetoloadbalancingpurpose?IsitnecessarytotakeHOdecision
basedonmeasurementreport?OreNBmaytakeaHOdecisionwithloadbalancingcause
withoutmeasurementreport?...Ithinkmeasurementreportismandatorytoensurethatthe
targeteNBwillnotaffectnegativelyonUEQoSasdefinedinloadbalancingrequirementsin
3gppstandards.
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February11,2014

EvanDoukas
TheblindHOaimstoanalternativefrequencywithinthesamenetwork
(e.g.LTEtoLTE)ortoanalternativetechnology(e.gLTEtoWCDMA).
NotonlytheHObutalsotheRwR(ReleasewithRedirect)procedurecanbeBlind.
"Blind"asopposedto"MeasurementBased".ThemeaningofblindHO/RwRis:
"withoutpriorknowledge(measurements)ofthequalityorpowerlevelofthealternativetarget
frequencyorthealternativetechnologynetwork(incaseofIRAT)".
BynomeansitsuggeststhattheHOistriggeredwithoutthresholdsbeingcrossedasitisoften
wronglyperceived.InsteaditistriggeredbasedonanA2event(coveragetriggeredHO)ofthe
servingcell.

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Theterm"blind"referstothefactthatthealternativefrequency/RATwillbeselectedand
enforcedwithoutanymeasurementsonitpriortothedecision,i.e.noA5/B2eventswillbe
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TheblindHOisariskthatwetakesincewedon'tknowtheradiocharacteristicsofthetarget
frequency/RATwearemovingto,thereforeitisrecommendedtobeconfiguredonlyfor
alternativefrequencieswherewehavesufficientoverlapbetweenthesourceandthetargetcell.
Howevertheriskcanbesuppressedbycarefulcellplanningandcoverageestimationfromcell
planner'ssimulationtools,soweguaranteethequality/signalstrengthbywellperformedRadio
Design!
Thetradeoffisthatitcanbefastandsimplesincenoadditionaladhocmeasurements(A5,B2
A1)havetobeconfiguredontheUE.AnditcanalsotacklethecasewheretheUEhasno
capabilitiestomeasurethealternativefrequency.
InLTEincaseofaUEwithatleastonevoicebearertheblindHOisnotanoption.Despitethe
lowcoverageitispreferablefortheUEtosticktotheoriginalfrequency.
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February13,2014

SumitBhatia
AnyonegotthelogfilehavingBlindHandover?
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March14,2014

AhmadZubair
InRRCconnectionreleasemessageeNBspecifiesthelistofconfiguredneighbourfrrequencies
fortheEutrancell.Thequestioniswhethertheuewillselectthebestpossibleneighbourbased
onreceivedlevels?Ifyes,thenwhydoestheuesendmeasurementreportoftheneighbourin
caseofnormalhandover?
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SurenderYadav
ThankYouall,Ihavesmalldoubt,whyeNBperformblindHO,Imeaninwhatsenerio?.Willit
notimpactonnetworkperformance,SincesourceeNBdon'tknowtheRFcondition(RSRPand
Quality)oftargeteNB,SotheremaybechanceoffailureiftargeteNBwillnothavesufficent
resourcestomakeitsuccessful
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1monthago

BinZhang
Handoverwithoutpriormeasurement==>Blindhandover.
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1monthago

IsraelZimerman
CSFBmakesuseoftheblindHOfeature.
beforeSRVCCwithVoLTE,CSFBwastheonlyoptionandstillwidelydeployed.
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