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Can you help me with this? Do you need something else to calculate the speed?
Notes: I found the wikipedia article Wave propagation speed and some
questions on physics.stackexchange.com, but the questions and answers were
either too complicated or didn't directly give numbers (like that one)
A little side question: When I think about the electric signal, I imagine some
elastic balls. When there is a signal at one end, you push the ball. It gets
compressed and expands later, which compresses the next ball a bit and it
expands, ... This way, the last ball gets moved and the signal arrives at the end.
Do I have to get another thinking-model for simple circuits or will I be able to
understand simple circuits with this model in mind?
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To calculate the propagation speed, you need to specify the return current path
in addition to the "forward" path. The reason is that the electromagnetic fields
that determine the propagation characteristics fill the space between the two
conductors. [If you try to calculate the inductance of a single wire, you get an
infinite result.]
The filler material between the conductors matters too: its electric
polarizability (quantified by the dielectric constant
, which is typically 2-5 times the value for free space 0) slows down the signal speed.
Typically the filler is magnetically neutral, so its susceptibility
is the same as for free space.
For a coaxial conductor, the wave speed formula ends up being very simple:
v=1
For a relative dielectric constant (/0
) of 3, one calculates a velocity of 58% of the speed of light.
Finally, your elastic ball analogy is good to zeroth order, but I don't think you can use it to
think about propagation velocity. There are two independent (but coupled) fields (electric
and magnetic) at play here.
UPDATE: It turns out that the geometry of the conductors doesn't matter much; the main
determinant of the propagation velocity is the filler material properties. For parallel
conductors of arbitrary (but constant) cross-section, the propagation velocity is:
v=crr
Here the relative permeability of the filler r=/0
(typically 2-5) and relative magnetic susceptibility r=/0 (usually 1), while c is lightspeed. So the formula for the coaxial geometry turns out to be quite general (note
c=1/00
).
As Jaime mentions in the comments below, there will be some additional "internal"
inductance due to the magnetic fields within the conductors which will reduce the velocity;
that bit is geometry-dependent.