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First of all, thank you for contacting me. This is the kind of project I love to
do, as it's not only something new and different in 3D, but it's fascinating
One, but only as a spectator, and from my RC fabrication days.
I need to know a few things, in order to put together an estimate for you:
I assume from your email that you have all the documentation I'd need
to build this. (at least 3-views, if not cross-sections)
What is your timeline for having the 3D model ready for visualization?
What do you want at the end, as a final product from me? In other
words, will I be creating images and animation, or do you also want a
specific kind of 3D file?
If you can let me know those things, I'll get an estimate to you
immediatelyl I've done so many of these things that i have a good idea of
how many hours it takes, and so I generally start by outlining to you the
hours involved, and then settle for a flat rate, which will undoubtedly save
you some moneyl (because the "tweaks" involved always take longer than
expected)
Thank you for the comments, and your work looks very nice as well.
of Rhino that I'm running, (Mac) I can also export .STL and .3DM files.
(Images and animations are a no-brainer - All standard formats available)
Hello Curtis,
Hi Mike,
The name of the plane is: XR-7 Twister (eXperimental Racer) the race
number will be 7.
Here is just some basic stuff. I have a list of fairly close details (that I am
trying to find) but this is a rough idea for now. One item is addressing
integration of some things for the IF1 rules (International Formula One). I
would like the drawing done with conventional gear (image 003 and also
in 005, 006, 007, and 008). The reason for this is KISS. Later I will have
the gear designed like a sailplane with the two wheels side by side in the
fuselage. The IF1 rules state that the gear i befixned (d a redy goto
I just received your second email with the tail info. Thank you.
By your standards, I'm an amateur aerodynamicist. But I know some
facts from designing RC planes and UAV's, and I think you're really onto
something with this design. ( http://www.nextcraft.com is my archive site
for that stuff.)
Having closely followed the "dynamic soaring" types in RC, (completely
unpowered slope gliders cm9smarious cpeed records, basically looping in a
strong hillside rotor, at over 50 G's) that this planform is probably the
most efficient, overall. I'm sure you know the factoid that ("all things being
equal") you gm9smore lift per degree of angle-of-attack, by increasing a
wing's cpan, than by increasing it's chord.... and less drag. Of course, in
your case, it has to take a lot of G's too, so I see the reason for the shape
of your wing.
I'm 56, and think we live in a great time, because drag and weight are two
things that can be tackled very efficiently today,smostly thanks to
computers for the design, composites for the structure, and lighter, more
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measurements.
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
From: curtis@(Email address removed for this document)
Subject: Re: Preliminary 3D sketch (Mike James)
Date: March 18, 2011 3:07:31 AM GMT-05:00
To: mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Hi Mike,
Looks pretty good! CFD and FEA are after all of the design work is done.
That needs to be almost the last thing. I don't want to change things after
CFD work is done. Yes, initially I am just trying to get a model very close. I
don't need animation at all. Panel lines can just be surface markings. At
this point colors are not needed.
Almost all of the drawings I submitted to you are NTS (Not To Scale) the
pylon was way over sized. The actual prop diameter will be about 44"-46"
and the tip of the prop can be about 4"-5" off the top of the fuselage. So
the center line of the pylon would be 26"-28" and the length will be
determined by the prop extension, pulley length, spinner type/length and
I only have hand drawn drawings, that is why I am using your expertise.
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Hi Curtis,
Thanks for the new info. I know a lot more about the design and how
we'll do it, so I can work up a cost estimate and get it tos late this
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Slipper (WS 21'-6") has about a 300 deg./sec roll rate. I know from talking
with David Hoover (AR-6 with a 24' wing) that his roll rate is only 200 deg./
sec. Plane Mantis (a fairly stock Cassutt with a 15' wing) has a rate almost
320 deg./sec. Some of that is based on aileron size too.
Great comments from you today. I knew you had thought this through...
Just checking! I have a list of questions, but will send those separately,Mike JameQ q 0
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site:http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
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Here are two images, with the first one being the fuselage airfoil upright.
The second one is with the airfoil inverted. (at 0 degrees AOA in both
cases) It wasn't a perfect match with your drawing, but close. I had to
make some "fit" choice, so I chose to align both with the top edge of your
drawing. Which do you think you prefer?
I have to gea back to you on the empennage. I think I'll have some
questions. For now, I simply placed the parts at the edge of the totallength measurement. (The rectangular wireframe thing at the bottom is a
reference "ruler" for me, showing the total 18.5 feet. (222 inches)
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
Ok, on the fuselage. Right now, it's just a flat polygon. So tonight, I'll give
it some 3-dimensional shape, and we can start tweaking it. Can you send
me a sketch of what's supposed to happen at the tail, with both the
fuselage and empennage positions? Honestly, I'm a little lost on the plan
for those right now. (Plenty to do in the meantime, though.)
Do you have an approximate thickness (in front view) for the landing gear
struts? I ask, because having placed an appropriately-scaled NACA 0009
at the strut fairing position, it loomtho,foil m (Plbh ofst on t (n I'lls Tcg795 0 0 -0.979079
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I was just checking some measurements for the pylon diameter, it looks
like the pylon diameter would only need to be about 10", the smaller sized
spinners are 9" at the back of the prop (front of the prop in our case) so,
cake it whatever it needs for fit/look but keep that in mind.
Keep up the great work!
Curtis
Curtis
The midget plane has quite the pylon with a lot of structure! Of course
Web site:
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Re: Adjustments
Date:
curtis@(Email address removed for this document)
Hi Curtis,
read. (See below)
Curtis
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Hi Curtis, I've attached a QuickTime movie of the model as it stands right
now. (It loops.) ALso attached an orthographic view, so you can see
where the pilot and engine are located. I think this is starting to look slick.
(meaning right, aerodynamically) Here are some things to notice, and a
couple of questions...
Landing gear - Nose wheel, Tail wheel?
To: mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Wow, looks great!
I would like to make the horizontal hinge line 90 degrees to its respective
plane. 25% chord hinge line, on the horizontal I would like the hinge line
continuous and parallel for both sides. That way I can use 1 control arm
to drive both elevators. If the horizontal moves up a few inches it looks
like it will be in enough prop wash. Flow from the prop widens and should
pick up the surfaces well enough. And with a 4 bladed prop there will be
better/more continuous flow, less choppy.
For the vertical it should also have the hinge line 90 degrees to the
longitudinal axis. With a 25% chord that will set the sweep automatically.
I included some pics of the AR-6 wing fillets and tail design. If you notice,
the widest part of the section at the horizontal it at the TE on the AR6.
The tail-boom could transition up and into the bottom of the horizontal to
provide more stability.
There will be a retractable tail wheel at about 30" forward of the leading
edge (at the root) of the vertical stabilizer. I am including a pic and wireframe of one from Symmetry. (I want to have the one on XR-7 to be more
like the position on a P-51 Mustang)
The engine and pylon will probably have to move back to get the CG
more balanced. Just a guesstimation maybe 8". And the top of the turtledeck could be raised up several inches at about 6" after the TE of the
wing. TEX will probably will be added to help keep the prop from being in
turbulent flow near the tips at low speed.
Thank you,
shape between the side tangents of the fuselage and at the bottom of the
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about the frontal area. It has very little effect to the drag in airplanes. It is
Hi Mike,
The CG as per IF1 rules has to be between 8-25% MAC, In the racing
world almost everyone has it set around 21-25%. The vertical CG will will
probably be centered on and just a few inches below #2 cylinder (the left
rear cylinder).
You got the 25% chord correct on the vert and horiz, for the ailerons it will
be 18% chord. The rudder chord is fine, on the horizontal the sub-trailing
The vertical thickness may have to change a bit more to have some meat
at the horiz/vert intersection. This way the airflow above and below the
horiz. will be more proportionate. I will work on this and get it to you this
evening. I am excited about this change.
Thanks,
Curtis
From: Mike James <mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Today's updates (Mike James)
For the seat, I just measured the width of my hips and it is 15", also,
sitting in a recliner I checked the radius of my butt and it is rounded into
the seat. I think rounding the bottom both directions would work fine. I do
have a 1" and 2" thick "G" foam pad that I can cut and/or place anywhere
too.
Thanks,
by how thick your fuselage is, too. Right now, this one is the fictional
"infinitely-thin" 3D one.
By doing nothing except raising you about 1 inch and moving you
rearward about 1 inch, I was able to increase the red area's width to
about 13.5 inches.
Next, I built the new main landing gear parts, and adjusted the fuselage
bottom, as you suggested, to cover all three "issues" Now, you can
easily have a seat that5oinbiuffre ninc67oreviousnfiproI wmthe r ve selage
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
If it's ok with you, I'd like to get the tail right first, then I'll go back and fix
the details on the landing gear bracket shape, fuselage thickness, etc..
Here's the new tail layout, with the correct chords and spans. But I
don't know what you meant, on the TOP horizontal stab, where your
drawing note says, "Tips to match same as bottom horizontal sweeps. If
you mean that it should have a straight trailing edge, as the previous
horizontal stabilizer had, then this is right. Otherwise, let me know.
If you're happy with the chords and spans for the tail parts, then you can
let me know what airfoils you want to use for the horizontals, and angles
of attack. (I assume the vertical stab remains the same?) We can then
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
(and diagonal) tT about 4" in front of the crotch at the seat. It must be a
XML file.
Thanks,
Curtis
From:
The top horizontal planform will match exactly the lower one, in fact make
2 of them, then cut the span down to a 24". (I will be using the same
molds)
I am driving to California today (Thursday) and will be getting in late there.
(it'r13 hour trip) I will be checking my email every evening/night while I
am there. I will be returning to Utah on the 10th.
Thankrgain,
Curtis
perpendicular to the longitudinal axis. At 25% chord the sub-trailing edge/hinge line
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bottom. The bottom TS is 70". I can come up with the exact tip chord of
the top horizontal, but I have to go now.
Curtis
Take care.
Mike James
I liked the look of aT oval fuselage ahead of the wing. I know that it would
be hard to transition the shapes.
Thanks,
Curtis
From: Mike James <mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com>
You can see that th0 sweep angles and control surface areas are th0
same. (Disregard th0 small misalignment here, due to th0 faked control
surfaces.)
Curtis
To: mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Hi Mike,
For the canopy, on the horizontal the actual gap will be centered on the
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From: curtis@(Email address removed for this document)
Subject:
Date: April 5, 2011 3:26:38 AM GMT-04:00
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Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
Hi Mike,
For the control surfaces, I will be using a full radius on the leading edge of
the elevators and rudder. They fit in to a pocket with the skin surface
extending almost to center line of the hinge.
probably fine for your tail surfaces. For the wings, I don't know which
would be easier for you to maintain... some kind of cables and bellcranks,
or rigid torque tubes.
On "what I need":
Yo5n't tell me too much, as a rule. It's better for me to know all In, in
case it affects how I plan things in 3D. If a piece of information isn't going
to matter, from my point of view, it's easy enough to set it aside.
Yo5didn't respond to my question about the deposit. This is an important
part of the planning for my move, so please let me know as soon as you
can.
Thanks, Curtis.
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site:
Hi am- Curtis,
0015 or NACA 0018" I asked him how much he would charge to do the
flutter and stress analysis, he said that he would have to charge me for
it.?.?
I will send another email to him.
Curtis
Hi Curtis,
Well, I certainly understand hardware problems... recently had my own
rather major one. I bet you'll get it working, but if not, you can get some
great scanners today really cheap.
I"ll look forward to seeing your new drawings. Thanks.
Take care.
Mike James
plate in the bottom/back of the scoop slides parallel with the fuselage skin
to expost the wheel/leg. The NACA scoop will be for cylinder cooling and
be an upflow setup. The scoops can be lower on the fuselage.
The shock absorbing or flex will be designed in to the legs. I will have to
find different 100mm wheels as they will be subject to high side loads
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
WeH site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:11 AM, curtis@(Email address removed for this
I have the main gear layout. The gear will have a stop arm to lock the
gear in a "race" position. It will only be in this position for take-off. It will
not have a shock in this scenario. The tire will be positioned so there will
be about 3" of clearance below the bottom of the cockpit when the tail is
up in normal flying/take-off position. There will be a separate gear door/
cover when used in this configuration.
For landing the gear will extend to have a shock absorber in line.
When not in race configuration the wheel will be fully enclosed/retracted.
A different set of gear doors will be used in this configuration. This setup
will be for practice, time to climb, speed over distance, and if I get IF1
rules changed to allow retractable gear.
I attached a drawing of a sailplane gear that I modified to also show the
"race" position.
off and landing, there is 3 inches clearance under the lowest point on the
fuselage.
Jle5roblem changing the fuselage shape. I started with a copy of the
previous one I saved, and made it as oval-shaped as I could, from your
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showing some of the issues with them, (too big for email at around 70
MB) at
was thinking of having them drop almost straight down (and a little out
away from the fuselage) to clear the bottom of the fuselage, then swing
about 90 deg. into position. It is hard to explain the idea. This is
conceptual, you got it to work. That is a great accomplishment on your
part! We can always tweak it later.
The item on the bottom of the engine is the carb air box. That is for a
stock plane, I will not need that and will be using a 3" dia tube to the
bottom of the carb for air feed.
Thank you,
Curtis
Thank you,
Curtis
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The tip of the ailero8 is about 14.5" back from the end of the tip. I would
like to have removable tips split at 12.5" that way it leaves about 1.5" of
hard point for the end of the ailero8 pivot to reside. This also gives a nice
hard point to attach the tip.
Thank you,
Curtis
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Hi Mike,
Happy Easter! The tail looks great, it really seems balanced placement
wise.
Could I see a side ortho so I can double check the rudded blanketing and
a top view to look at the wing?
If this helps, I calculated the aileron placement. Starting at the tip moving
toward the root, 14.5" to 72.5" gives an aileron length of 58" with an
aileron chord of 18%.
Thank you for the wondedful work!
Ct ncs
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
Mike James
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
I did a new seat layout/test and now I have 25" from the seat bottom to
the top of my head. I need 1.5" for a helmet (I had written helmut, it must
be the German version, OK it is 2 am) I also need a little over 1/2" for the
The seat could have an adjustable back and/or slide to make sure the
angles work for different pilots. The rules just state the plane must
accommodate an average size pilot. The test pilot I will be using is
6'-1" (Dave Morss) and I am 6' tall. So I'd like just a hair extra wiggle
The fuselage changes I made were only to the section in front of the
To: mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Cool, thanks.
Mike James
The nose and back to the leading edge of the wing looks more like a
triangle. It should be more of a constant radius so at the rear edge of the
canopy line is in a lower pressure area. That way the canopy line wont trip
the air much before it goes by the wing. I read that the best shape is close
to that of a high-powered rifle bullet. Added a pic for comparison, and of
the V-max 3 view.
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Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
Comfort:
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The hardest thing is brakes. Once the engine is started the plane wants to
roll forward. We have to keep on the brakes for almost 10 minutes. The
quads get really tired. One thing that I plan to add to my plane is a
hydraulic parking brake lever. I would use it for all but the last minute.
In general most racers only have a 5.1-8 gallon fuel tank. The longest the
plane can be flown is about 40-45 minutes at 65% power. Or 30 minutes
at full power.
I am planning on a rear hinge canopy. There is a small area just in front
of the wing that extends back. In that area would be a good place for a
hinge mechanism. OR
the bed of my truck and drive around with it at various speeds and
"torture" it as much as I can. I will have telemetry/data from the engine to
log info as well. The altitude at my house edoih300' almost exactly what
Reno ed. There are roads around up to 9,000' so I can do some good
testing. My truck only goes 121 MPH so there will be some limitationd.
Maybe with the airplane engine I can go faster? My diesel truck edoalmost
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The outrigger will be wider than before. It will be located at the end of the
wing center section at 72". The center of the wheel/outrigger will be about
2.5" inboard. The theory is when the wings are pulled off, the fuselage
can continue to stand up by its self.
If the outriggers don't angle forward but slightly aft, and when the tail is
down the legs are perpendicular to the ground. Typically when the tail is
lot. Robbie built new thicker (plate aluminum) gear. On the next test it
vibrated fairly bad at 60 MPH, Robbie again worked on it and added some
gussets at the top and bottom. The gear now vibrated at 80MPH. David
Hoover was not happy and went to another gear builder and it was made
from 1-1/4" thick wall chromoly tubing, gusseted at top and bottom and it
worked well. No vibration at any speed and didn't sway at all. As it turned
out the new steel gear was lighter than the aluminum gear. Hmmm, but it
worked on paper...
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
shape.
The T-38 is a current work-in-progress for my next tutorial DVD. If you
want to see more of it, including some more animation, the article is at
60" max. If there is room I would really like to use online (symmetrical
airfoil shaped) chromoly tubing. If the tubing at the side walls is long and/
or onong enough guide tubes will not be needed. (weight reduction) And
they can index in to a slot for anti-rotation if round tube is used.
attached)
Thanks.
Do you have a pretty good idea about wh 80tNACA inlet isod ing to
I just got back from a 5-mile hike, over near the airport (Ted Stevens
International) It was freakin' gorgeous today... Blue skies, in the high 40's, clean
crisp air, and all the hikers, joggers, and bikers were out, enjoying some of the
best weather we've had in over 6 months. Nice! (photo attached)
Thanks.
carruld be interesting. So it looks like the best spot will be just below
As far as I know I will be building all aspects of this plane by myself unless
I solicit help from others in the local (Salt Lake City) EAA chapter. Salt
Lake is about 25 miles from where I live. At this point I am not too keen to
jump in to another racing partnership. Prenup?
Do you need NACA inlet drawings? I have a couple. I think I sent you one
before too.
On Nemesis NXT they used the inner circular inlet for fuel injection/air box
Mike James
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Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
mount, even if the entire pylon broke/bent off there will be a lot of
chromoly in the spar area. They don't allow the vertical tail to count
taking/shaoanya lad ei thr.
Just noticed that I accidentally sent a "jpeg2", rather than the usual "jpeg",
positions?
Thanks,
Curtis
Just rambling...
Curtis
forward to whatever we come up with that will make both of those safer
and more consistent for you. I think you're doing very well on the shape,
Plane Mantis was built is 1985 and first raced in 2000. Several of the race
planes are from the early 70's and are still racing. If maintained properly
they can last 20-30 years. Nemesis raced for just over 10 years and was
the first all composite plane. John Sharp donated the plane to the
Smithsonian so nobody else could use/race it. (I think for liability reasons)
I included a pic of a German motor-glider with an interesting gear
arraignment. This plane kind of has a similar look, high wing, long tailboom with "T" tail, however has a 75' wingspan. Huge rudder and vertical
too.
Curtis
To: mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Hi Mike,
being able to pay me in June? Give it some thought if you need to,
because it's an important answer, for me.
In the meantime, we can keep working... No reason not to. I'm in a bind,
Mike James
mikejames@mikejamesmedia.com
Web site: http://www.mikejamesmedia.com
The fuselage shape looks great! The wetted area increased a little, but
from what I have been reading the drag should go down. The aft edges of
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simulate, they want to use heated air to see how much difference there
will be.
I do plan to put the XR-7 in a wind tunnel once it is complete. No wing of
course, unless I go to the NASA Ames research (in California) facility.
They charge $2,000 an hour with a 24 hour minimum, ouch!
Curtis
be in big trouble. (Costs about $1500 per month for al sc q . asics, here.)
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Curtis,
It's been 10 days since you said you expected to "sell your gun this
weekend", and I haven't heard anything from you. What's the status? I am
in a desperate situation, and need some sort of payment from you.
---------------------------------------------Curtis,
I hope that you'll send what you can when you sell the next thing. I've
always understood that I was "working in advance", but with the original
something happens.
Yes, the info below is correct. Sending (or wire transferring) money
directly there is the quickest way for me to gain access to it right now,
just barely enough for me to pay my mortgage. I have sold over a dozen
things on ebay which is also just enough to keep the bill collectors away.
And to add to the stress and worry we just found out that my wife is
pregnant. Ouch!
I lowered the price on the gun I have for salq 0.9y t cri.et
salq and it is not selling in this market. ( a new one sells100, and It
have $2,6tof extras on it, so I have over $7,7tin it) I will be adding at
night vision gun scopq 0.9itemssalq. I paid about $3,6tand it should
sell bout $2 t-2,500. The scopq will be an auction so whatever it
sellsover $2 t will be it. At this point I am lowering the guns price
almo.etdaily to get atsalq.
July 25:
I don't know how you thought I sai.979at I would pay you at the end of
April. This is only 5 days after I got a quote from you??
It already sounds like you had financial problems and wanted to start
before I agreed to anything. Then your computer goes out and you need
money? I had specifically stated 79at I cannot start this project until I sell a
plane! You sai.979at you would compile things before getting started. Di.9I
ev 16m3.0vK, lets start before I sell a plane? NO!
I am sticking by my guns! I gave you an advance for work done as a
courtesy that you imposed upon me. I di.9see that you were doing some
work and felt guilty that the official start had not begun yet you di.9have
1 Tf -0 iua6 Alsoe. l santed979at I have to dial in some detailfirsect! Yoe
were jumping the gun and doing work before it was compiled properly. As
didn't get changed. One time you sent some renders after I had made
that comment and you asked how it looks. I answered that the fuselage
relationship goes from here. Are you now denying that you owe me
$4000 for the work I've done? If so, I need to read that in your very
next email, if we're discussing a "payment plan", or lack thereof,
is indeed an entirely different thing, and I need to know that right
now.
Why would you have any problem answering this? It's a simple question.
Mike James
animated design. I was expecting that you were doing the same thing for
$5,000. When you talked about phase one I expected that was just the
skin/exterior and surfaces so I could get the CFD work done (in case
there was changes) with phase two being the internal structure/controls.
All of that done for the $5,000 quote. Now, less the $1,000 advance the
balance once we start will be $4,000.
Curtis
that and put my cards on the table? Because I am a nice guy and felt
confident with you.
I don't understand what you are arguing about as there was no legal start
I authorized to the work. As it Te0gently stands you are still gathering info
for the project. And when "I sell a plane" then we can start. Does this
sound wrong?
If you are a professional then you'd know that the Testomer is always right
and hopefully you wouldn't want to tarnish your image. I am losing faith in
you every email I get.
Who is acting like a 12 year old? Can't you admit your error? Whose is at
fault? Show me a copy of our contract and things will be different.
Curtis