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Hi,
After i posted this topic i received more questions from our bros. Treasure hunt
ers and one of them are queries from Renantiur and i felt obliged to post this s
pecific exchanges of ideas for the benefit of others.
a GPR, I ll settle with the former. But with ample budget, I ll buy both, plus a lon
g arm backhoe, a piranha agitator slurry pump (a type of pump that can suck slur
ry, mud, sand and gravel).I prefer combining all possible great equipments and n
o problem with that as long as one can afford.
2. assuming that we can locate a suspected area, will it be advis
able if we drill several holes with a size of 1 feet per hole(adjacent holes or
holes that are near to each other ) first on the ground before we scan the area
with the GPR?, will the said holes lessen the highly conductivity of the said
materials ( since the impulses and waves will now pass through the holes) , the
reby increasing the penetration depth of the GPR?
Ans.
-Yes
3. will it be safe to assume that if we can encounter alketran, asphalt, l
ogs, and other similar highly conductive materials, there is a greater chance th
at something precious might have been buried below the ground?
my opinion on this matter is if we encounter this kind of
burial, it is better to drill until 200 feet and see if we can hit something (ju
st like in padada where we hit a metal casing just after a layer of charcoal at
128 feet). is this correct?
-is it a prevalent practice among japanese to make a decoy burial like this?
-is there a possibility that the japanese are also making a burial with all the
same highly conductive materials but without something precious buried on the g
round?
Ans.
In every possible chance and in every best idea that they can ponder, Japanese m
ining engineers who were tasked, will do and apply whatever they deemed the best
possible way of hiding.
It just depends upon the presenting conditions during such time that they buried
the loot whether they have the comforts of having ample time, the loot is surel
y hidden in the most ingenious way but if they were on the run during that time,
they could have buried it in haste and not much planning and preparation has be
en done which are common to soldier s or officer s loot.
Again, It depends really upon the presentation of conditions during such time t
hen but knowing that Japanese are very systematic, most loot if not all, were bu
ried in a well planned manner especially the imperial sites. Since we are not th
ere personally when they bury it, the best move perhaps is to put ourselves in t
he mindset of the Japs who planned the burial.
4. (assuming that OKM exp 5000 is a GPR) is okm exp 5000 the b
est brand and model of GPR available in the market? assuming that we can have th
e lucky chance someday to go high tech, what sophisticated equipment can you rec
ommend?
Ans.
Definitely OKM Exp5000 is good but it is not the best brand and model available,
and I wonder why this seems become the norm in the treasure hunting circles. Th
ere are a few notable other brands that had been performing eversince.
5. you recommended those cart types used by archeologist.. do
you know of any brand and model of these cart types that are effective against
japanese looted treasures?
Ans.
I am in no way being paid to mention my personal favorites and I even don t own on
e of these I was just provided before.
Just do a research and you will encounter,
Easy Locator by Mala and GSSI utilityscan
http://www.malags.com/home
http://www.geophysical.com/utilityscan.htm
6. based on your experience, what is the best way to counter
this japanese burial design assuming that you dont have a map or pointer but you
only have an analytical mind, copies of thapi/luzviminda japanese code markers
, an OKM exp 5000, drilling machine, dowsing detector, compass, transit?
Ans.
(There were previous postings of Ben Valmores that answers this question, i've t
ried to search it but its gone)
AboutTHAPI/ Luzviminda code;
Take it from Gener,
If you are a hardened well experienced brainy treasure hunter, Surely you will
found out that they are actually just concoctions from previous disgruntled ima
ginations...Its not bad to base from those THAPI codes but depending on it can b
e disastrous!..I know you already find that out within your own experience but d
oubt may surround since majority believes in this codes many decades ago....
***There was one occasion that an old TH professional insisting on me that a rou
ndel reflects a tunnel,,,but i told him its not tunnel but a water...he laugh on
me so hard,,,but later on he found that im right,,,He turned RED and speechless
..
Another from Gener
***A month ago i planted sweet potatoes in very remote land,,The land is not mi
ne so i made a remedy not to let other people find those crops i planted...I dis
tributed to most of the villagers nearby a map leading to the root crops i plant
ed not known to them that those maps i made will lead them to nowhere, I m a greed
y old man and shall make sure that no one will ever find my crops! not even your
next siblings.
From me;
The best learning is experience...(of course backed by due research)
take the adventure of really taking action, then learn by it, not just only bec
oming a learned treasure hunter by compiling all answers in a question and answe
r forum. (I am not referring to you for i know you have your own actions too but
this applies to all other members)
And please don't take it against me, i am very much willing to help but, i admit
, i really earned my learning through real time action. As we worked my mentor o
ffered me forward looking questions, then i analyze, applied the basics of scien
ce by answering the 5w's and H and it is only then that i have my forward looki
ng answers, then we moved, opened up the area, and it was then that i will have
my greatest learning, when i am right, i will never forget it because my analysi
s was right after all, but if i was wrong, the more that i can t forget it because
i have found out that my pre conceived answer was wrong by discovering the righ
t answer...
]
Through research i have chosen areas within my reach like our sites today, areas
i have never imagined, it's just like going to office for work and come home af
ter sunset.
Yes trough research i've known that Golden lily sites are there in the boondocks
, but i also come to know there are enough hidden loot just somewhere near.
Remember what i've emphasized before, we must consider first places where the Ja
ps used to stay longer and have stayed comfortably before.
Just a thought Brother....
Full Member
From Goldbar,
i have very bad experiences using detectors electronic gadgets.. those conductiv
e layers then after a few feet turned to insulative layers then back to conducti
ve gives me head ache....
( nadala na ako ) false targets etc etc ... by using core drilling you will als
o know the exact depth of your target, the subsurface layers you will be encount
ering, ( if you are in the exact location ) no more assuming..you will know it i
s there...believe me., it will save you time and money..if you drilled and encou
ntered no target or at least a man made anomally then there is no reason for you
to dig...if you found something worthwhile then go for it..i am not pushing oth
er TH to apply this kind of technique i am just merely sharing my experiences..
but approaching the target is another level of challenges...
Re: 3 big wood found under 2 feet deep.....
Reply #96 on: July 11, 2011, 12:25:25 PM
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FromGoldbar to Thunter44,
yes t44 ,it is not applicable in rough terrains or hilly sites and horizontal ca
ves.. the technique is for flat lands only . and i understand not all treasure h
unters have the capability of possesing one.. drilling is also like digging. onl
y but for only 4 to 6 inhes hole only depending on your drill diameter. one coul
d go 150 to 200 feet for one single day. i was a witness in one company who stay
ed almost a year in one suspected TH site drilling 186 boreholes until they hit
the paydirt.. but only by drilling..after which the recovery is of another level
...
i realy dont know about detectors..it wont work on my site , but perhaps in othe
r sites it will..
okm ground penetrating radars, resistivity methods, long range locators just gi
ve me false readings..the conductiveness of the subsurface soil remains a big de
terent.
and thick clay layers and shallow ground water will hamper GPR's.
i am not againts any detectors , just sharing some personal experiences
From T Hunter 44 to Goldbar888
Just what OKM Model did you use on your site? Most OKM products operate on Elect
romagnetic Pulse and sure, mineralized soil, clay or shallow water table will af
fect the depth the electromagnetic pulse can penetrate but it should not be a bi
g factor. When the scan is downloaded on the computer for analysis, Red is Meta
l, Yellow is Mineral, Grayish White is Natural Soil and a Dark Gray is Cavity an
d when the SCAN METAL Option is Clicked, if it is a true cache, it will make a f
orm, either be it a square, , rectangle or round, shapes that is man made. One d
oes not rely on the color of the scan but by the shape of the objects scanned an
d if it is square , round or rectangle, then you know it is man made, not nature
made and that is my experience with the Rover C. And then, the soil to be scann
ed should be undisturbed, not loose soil.
From Goldbar888,
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T44 i used an okm future 500 series, then okm exp 4000 , then okm exp 5000. not
to mention other not okm brands..
downloaded positive results computer analyse ...then drilled into the spot 150
down and found nothing... sometimes i dug it and found rusted metal plates or ot
her parts of metals
i once had a very positive reading including shape, at 25 to 28 feet deep. i hur
iedly dug it for a week ,and found my target a rectangular rusted metal.. oh no
..charge again to experience..
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hi dindo , the okm,it might work in your projects .. the presence of shallow tar
gets cannot be ruled out, its just my personal experience.
they first grid the location about two meters apart then mark it, then start dri
lling 250 feet down trying to locate bore samples of man made anomaly, like brok
en porcelains
glasses , wood, metal or just about anything not natural..and so on...still a tr
ial and error type of exploration.. but it is different because if you struck a
vault or tunnel that is when other technicalities apply.
project handled by a hongkong group group, they cut opened a suspected site fro
m which they have a very reliable information.
cut it open straight down to 80 feet..subpumps were brought in to control water.
.cement was sprayed in sides of the excavation as they go down to avoid bard dow
n
during digging lots of logs were found in different depths pointing to different
locations some are in standing position some are in laying position
alternate layers of course sand, gold dust sand,white sand, bluish clay was enco
untered
a thick layer of wooden boards like plywoods was present
broken bottles , clay bricks, broken ming bowls , small and big rusted heavy met
als are also found in different depths
skeletal remains, marbles ( holen ) , markers that we see in code books like ,
foot, hand, snake pointing ,snake coiled, turtle shape, horse shape etc etc...
after digging 80 feet down no shallow deposit were recovered, no structure was e
ncountered, only a lot of markers.
then the toho japanese made boredrill drill was brought in. they started at 80 f
eet drill down on a grid like checker type for many months until they found the
tunnel
a huge tunnel running across under the property..concrete and steel reinforced.
the tunnel under exceeds the property border above, after locating the tunnel
they now proceeded to locate the chambers...this type of operation is costly ..
but would you imagine if a treasure hunter dug several small holes assuming that
the buried treasure is just 50 feet? and find markers and markers only?
i was there at the site and stayed there for almost one and a half year.
again no offense to fellow hunters i just want you to avoid wasting hard earned
money if you are presented the same scenario.
de to simplify and perfect this equipment so anyone in the utility locating, con
crete scanning or road inspection lines of work can use our GPR products with ea
se.
GSSI provides training with its products and teaches a wide variety of classes t
o help the novice and experienced GPR user improve his or her skills. The classe
s typically include an introductory lecture and emphasizes hands-on practice wit
h the equipment and software. This format ensures that each student walks away w
ith a firm knowledge of the fundamentals of GPR and how to use the equipment in
real-world situations.
How much training will I need in order to use GPR?
First-time users will need 2-3 days of training to become familiar with the equi
pment and ground penetrating radar theory. Training is provided free of charge w
ith most GSSI equipment.
How deep can GPR see to locate targets?
Depth of GPR penetration depends on the material being surveyed and also upon th
e antenna frequency being used. For instance, GPR will penetrate ice, rock, soil
and asphalt differently due to each material s unique electrical properties. Lowe
r frequency antennas will generally penetrate deeper, but there is a loss in res
olution with the drop in frequency.
Soil conditions can vary greatly, which in turn affects GPR penetration. In gene
ral, dry sandy soils with little salt content return excellent survey resolution
, but heavy clay-based soils are difficult to penetrate with GPR. In some situat
ions, penetration depth may be limited to a few feet or less within clays, where
as pipes residing in sandy soils could be detected at depths up to 30 feet.
Your GSSI Application Specialist can help you find the equipment that is right f
or your project and profession.
Can GPR be utilized through water?
Yes. GPR can be utilized through fresh water, but it does not operate where salt
water is present.
Can GPR be used through ice?
Yes. GPR works extremely well through ice and snow. They are some of the most fa
vorable conditions for GPR.
Can GPR be used with GPS?
Yes. GSSI s systems can integrate with most GPS systems. The GPS position data fil
es and GPR scans are automatically matched within our systems so that the result
ing data shows proper GPS position.
Can GPR be used to find gold?
While GPR is in use with many professional mining companies, the technology is n
ot well suited to finding coins, gold nuggets or buried treasure. Metal detector
s are more suitable. GSSI recommends checking with local, state and federal laws
before beginning any treasure-hunting activities.
Can GPR be used to map cemeteries?
Yes. GPR is the best geophysical technique for forensic victim location and for
the mapping of graves in cemeteries. While we can sometimes image the body direc
tly, GPR responds well to the disturbances in the soil which are created when a
pit is dug and refilled.
I saw something like this in the movie Jurassic Park and on TV shows like Crossi
ng Jordan. Can GPR really show the skeleton?
No. That is a Hollywood adaptation of the technique. A grave will look like a la