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Prabhupada: Yes.
Woman reporter: Just because they bear children and men cant?
Prabhupada: Well, by nature No, as soon as you get children, you require
support from the husband. Otherwise you are in difficulty.
Woman reporter: Many women have children and have no support from
husbands. They have no husband.
Prabhupada: Then they have to take support from others. You cannot deny
that. The government is giving you support. But the government is
embarrassed. If the husband supports the wife and children, the government
is relieved of so much welfare contribution. So that is a problem.
Woman reporter: What happens when women support men?
Prabhupada: First of all try to understand that you depend. The After man
and woman unite, there is children, and the man goes away, and you are
embarrassed. The woman is embarrassed. Why? Why this is, is made
possible? A man and woman unites, and the woman becomes pregnant, and
the husband goes away. Then the poor woman is embarrassed with the child.
She has to beg from the government. So do you think it is very nice thing?
The Vedic idea is that woman should be married to a man and the man
should take charge of the woman and the children independently so that they
do not become a burden to the government or to the public.
Woman reporter: Do you think the social unrest
Prabhupada: I am thinking like this. You give me the answer. Simply you go on
questioning. I question you, do you think this burden to the government or
the public is good?
Woman reporter: I dont understand what youre saying.
Nitai: Do you think that the burden caused when the husband goes away
from the wife, that burden to the government is good?
Woman reporter: No.
Prabhupada: So that has happened. Because the woman does not agree to be
subordinateshe wants equal freedomso the husband goes away and the
woman is embarrassed with the children. And it becomes a burden to the
government.
our problems?
Prabhupada: Yes. Man wants that woman should be subordinate, faithful to
him. Then he is ready to take charge. The mans mentality, womans
mentality different. So if the woman agrees to remain faithful and
subordinate to man, then the family life will be peaceful.
Woman reporter: Thank you. Its late.
TV Cameraman: Any more questions?
Woman reporter: Yes. Ill ask the same questions again, do not answer.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Nitai: Shes going to ask the same questions, but no need to answer. Theyre
just going to photograph her. This is for on TV they will show her asking the
questions. (break)
Woman reporter: What will you do in Philadelphia?
Prabhupada: The same thing. I have got my temple there. I stay there, and I
teach people according to my philosophy.
Woman reporter: Is Philadelphia your last stop in
Prabhupada: No, no, I travel all over United States. Then I will go to Europe.
Then I will go to Africa. I have got my touring program for 4 months. (break)
Woman reporter: Theres one more question Im going to ask. Is that tea? Is
that tea that youre drinking?
Prabhupada: No, we dont drink tea. We dont drink tea, dont drink liquor. We
dont smoke. This is our process, no illicit sex, no meat eating, no
intoxication, no gambling. Unless one is married, there is no sex. And unless
one is going to beget child, there is no sex. Not for pleasure. This is our
regulative principle.
Woman reporter: You have different schools for men and women, is that
correct?
Prabhupada: Yes. Man is regulated to become a first-class man, and woman is
regulated to become very chaste and faithful wife.
leader.
Woman reporter: Women have been leaders.
Prabhupada: They were not selected. The leaderformerly it was monarchy
the monarchs were selected by the advisory board of the first-class men. So
they never selected any woman to become the leader of the society.
Woman reporter: What about women who are elected by the people?
Prabhupada: Well, people election Just like you elected Nixon and then you
wanted him to come down. So this kind of election has no value. Sometimes
you elect and sometimes you pull down. So what is the value of this election?
Woman reporter: So a leader should not be elected.
Prabhupada: Elected, but not by this general public. They have no
intelligence. They sometimes elect a wrong man, and again they try to drag
him down. So what is the use of such election? Because that election is not
sober, not mature. If the election was mature and sober, then there was no
need of dragging him down again.
Woman reporter: We have talked to scientists who say that the size of the
brain has nothing to do with intelligence. Do you believe that?
Prabhupada: I think that the scientists do not think like that. They keep the
brain of a particular scientist to study. They keep the heart of a particular
noble man. Why they try to study the heart and the brain if there is no
difference?
Nitai: Sometimes they keep the brain of a great scientist to study because
they think that he is so intelligent, there must be something we can learn
from studying the brain. So if they are thinking like that, then there also must
be a difference between a womans brain and a mans brain.
Woman reporter: What they say is that there is difference, but it has nothing
to do with the size.
Nitai: Then why do they keep great scientists brain to study?
Woman reporter: They keep many peoples brains to study.
Nitai: Especially great scientists, that they want to see what has made this
man so intelligent.
Prabhupada: So can you give any proof since then that the womans In
1920 She does not take it?
Nitai: She does not take it. Somehow they think that the brain is no longer
small. If it was small, then, it is not small today.
Prabhupada: But where is the proof
Woman reporter: You do not believe that there has been advancement of
science since 1920?
Nitai: Well, if the brain has been ascertained as being half the size then why
should it change by now? Should it change?
Woman reporter: Well, do you think that the Romans werent as tall as men
are today?
Nitai: No, but the But then, within fifty years there is not going to be any
change in the brain.
Woman reporter: Not in the 1900s. Why do you use the technology that you
use? You didnt have cars in those days, this television. Things have changed
since 1920.
Prabhupada: So what change has become? Can you give any evidence that
woman is more powerful in brain than the man during these years? Can you
give any evidence?
Woman reporter: No, what Im saying is that
Prabhupada: Now, can you give any evidence that woman has become more
powerful than the man during these fifty years?
Woman reporter: Yes.
Prabhupada: What is that? Give me some tacit example.
Woman reporter: That she and I wouldnt be here if women werent more
powerful than they were fifty years ago.
Harikesa: Now they are talking louder. (laughter)
Woman reporter: Than you. Thank you. (woman leaves)
Harikesa: The scientists have the theory that the brain, the intelligence is
measured by creases in the brain, creases, not by size.
Prabhupada: Not size, but what is the proof that the brain of woman has
increased? Where is the proof?
Harikesa: They think because the ego has increased, the brain has also
increased.
Prabhupada: Oh, thats nice. (laughter) Thats nice. (laughing) So to become
angry means defeat. If two persons are in argument the man, the one party,
he becomes angry, that means he is defeated. Why one should become
angry? It is the argument, logic. They should continue. And to become angry
and to go away, that means defeat.
Harikesa: They become upset because they cannot dominate you.
Prabhupada: No, it is not the question of domination; it is the question of
logic. If you do not agree to logic, then no argument can make progress.
Uttamasloka: Srila Prabhupada, if one does not agree to logic, does that
mean that they are under the influence of tamo-guna?
Prabhupada: That means he is animal.
Guest: Under the influence of who?
Uttamasloka: Tamo-guna.
Harikesa: Its the mode of ignorance.
Guest: Who?
Harikesa: The mode of ignorance.
Prabhupada: Logic is meant for learned man, and uneducated man, they want
to force, Yes, you must do it. With point of revolver, You must do it. And
educated man, they argue on logic. That is the difference. (break) queens
of Krsna, they are giving statement as maidservant of Krsna. You have read
that portion? When there was talk between Kunti and queens of Krsna, the
queens presented themself as maidservant of Krsna.
Harikesa: The men have become the servants of the women.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Harikesa: Womens liberation has become successful because man is now the
servant of woman.
Prabhupada: It is not successful. That I was pointing out. It has caused the
disaster because the whole women become dependent on the welfare gift of
the government, and the government has to raise tax heavily for this
purpose. The tax is given by the general public, but it is going for one
individual person, and I have heard that government is embarrassed. They
are now making enquiry about the welfare gifts.
Nitai: Theres many scandals there.
Prabhupada: There are now so many scandals. So these are the problems.
Why? The man leaves the woman uncared for.
Brahmananda: One statistic has come that there are more people in this
country receiving welfare than there are those who are employed in jobs
outside of government. That means the government is actually spending for
more people than (break)
Prabhupada: Is not that a problem to the government?
Nitai: A huge problem.
Harikesa: Taxes are very high. Everyone is complaining about taxes being too
high.
Prabhupada: Problem is already there and if they think it is not problem, then
what can be said? By natures way, if the husband takes care of the wife and
children, this problem is solved immediately. But the man takes advantage.
He goes away after making the woman pregnant. And the woman is
embarrassed and the government is embarrassed.
Harikesa: And the child grows up to be a criminal.
Prabhupada: Yes. Hippies. That is another problem. So they are not far-seeing.
The immediate benefit they want. What will be the effect? That is animal
civilization. Animal cannot see what will be the future. Therefore we have to
take advice from Krsna. One who knows past, present, and future. Everything
is there. We are spreading this knowledge, that Take your council from
Krsna. Then youll be happy. That is our program.