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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE THIRTEENTH JUDICIAL


CIRCUIT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
CASE NO. 14-CA-008902
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SEAFARER EXPLORATION CORP,
Plaintiff,
versus
DARRELL VOLENTINE,
Defendant.
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PROCEEDINGS:

DEFENDANT'S VERIFIED MOTION


FOR CONTEMPT AND SANCTIONS
AGAINST PLAINTIFFS

DATE:

October 24, 2016

TIME:

3:30 P.M. -

BEFORE:

HONORABLE STEVEN S. STEPHENS


CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE

PLACE TAKEN:

GEORGE EDGECOMB COURTHOUSE


800 East Twiggs Street,
Tampa, FL 33602

REPORTED BY:

Dana L. Stockton, RPR


Notary Public
State of Florida, at Large

4:45 p.m.

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APPEARANCES:

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CRAIG A. HUFFMAN, ESQ


13046 Race Track Road, Suite 243
Tampa, Florida 33626
Appearing on behalf of the
Plaintiffs

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EVAN KIDD, ESQ


731 1st Court
Palm Harbor, Florida 34684
Appearing on behalf of
Defendant

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INDEX

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WITNESS

APPEARING BY TELEPHONE DARRELL VOLENTINE

Direct Examination by Mr. Kidd

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Cross-Examination by Mr. Huffman

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Redirect Examination by Mr. Kidd

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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER

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THE COURT:

MR. HUFFMAN:

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Are we ready to start?


The Plaintiff is ready, Your

Honor.
MR. KIDD:

The defendant is having Wifi

issues at the moment, Your Honor.

for IT personnel to come down and give us a

hand.

the building today.

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They said that there's been outages in

THE COURT:

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So what do you think's going

to happen?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

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Are you asking me, Your Honor?


Uh-huh.
Well, we're going to go ahead

and present our case.


THE COURT:

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That's what I thought was

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going to happen.

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now.

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We've asked

It's time for that to start

So normally when the beginning of the

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hearing comes, we start the case.

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motion, as I understand it, and I'm inviting

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you to take it up.

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MR. KIDD:

So it's your

Thank you, Your Honor.

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believe we've just got connectivity and I'm

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going to establish connection with my client

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momentarily.
THE COURT:

No, you're not.

You're going

to go over to your counsel table and you're

going to start the argument and not play with

the computer.

When the time comes that you want to call

some testimony and we have a technical problem

with that, then maybe we can take it up.

But typically, when the Judge comes in the

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room and is ready to start the case, you don't

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sit around playing with a computer.

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ready to go.

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You get

So how about we proceed?

MR. KIDD:

Thank you, Your Honor.

I've

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got a hearing binder for His Honor, and one for

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you, as well.

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THE COURT:

Thank you.

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THE BAILIFF:

If everybody would, please

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make your sure cell phones are on vibrate or

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off, please.

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THE COURT:

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Go ahead, sir.

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MR. KIDD:

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Thanks for reminding me.

May I make an opening

statement, Your Honor?

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THE COURT:

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like you to do.

That's exactly what I would

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MR. KIDD:

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Thank you, Your Honor.

Today

we are here on Defendant's Verified Motion for

Contempt and Sanctions Against Plaintiffs,

Seafarer Exploration Corp., Kyle Kennedy and

Craig Huffman.

If Your Honor will recall, back on

April 7th, 2016, we had a hearing on

Plaintiff's Motion for Order for Rule to Show

Cause and for Attorney's Fees.

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During that hearing, Your Honor, the

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plaintiff offered Exhibit A as the crux of its

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evidence against the defendant.

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What we will show today through the

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evidence, Your Honor, is that everything

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contained within Exhibit A was misrepresented

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to the Court.

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A great deceit has been perpetrated on the

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Court and today is the day that we right that

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deceit.

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The evidence will show, Your Honor, that

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Exhibit A does not merely contain postings as

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was claimed at the April 7th hearing.

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Exhibit A does not have any postings from the

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Seafarer Exploration Board which was the crux

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of plaintiff's argument connecting the postings

That

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to Seafarer Exploration Corp., and thus a

breach of the injunctive order that the

defendant is currently under.

If you will direct your attention, Your

Honor, to Page 4 of Tab 2.

read into evidence at the April 7th hearing are

the only two postings in this document from the

bottom of four leading into the top of five

which do not contain the EXPL stock symbol,

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The two postings

symbol of Endurance Exploration Company.


Now, this is the source of the postings

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which were sworn to be Seafarer Exploration

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Board postings, Your Honor.

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Furthermore, the evidence will show that

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the postings are not connected in any way,

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shape or form to Seafarer Exploration, Mr. Kyle

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Kennedy or any member of his family.

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And finally, the evidence will show that

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half of what was offered into Exhibit A as

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postings, viewable to the entire public, which

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caused you, yourself, Your Honor, to declare

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that my client did what no rational man would

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do, are not available to the public whatsoever,

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Your Honor and, furthermore, are not on the

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subject matter of Seafarer Exploration.

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A great injustice has been done against my

client, Your Honor.

negative light.

expense.

pursuant to this motion as it was pled.

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He's been portrayed in a

He's been caused undue

He's been threatened with jail time

And today's the day that that wrong is


finally righted, Your Honor.
THE COURT:

Do you want to say something

at this point, sir, or do you want to reserve


until you hear their evidentiary presentation?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

I'll reserve, Your Honor.

That would make it time for

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your evidentiary presentation, sir.

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you want to do?

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MR. KIDD:

What do

May I please return to the

computer and connect to Skype?


THE COURT:

I don't know.

I mean, if you

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can do it, then sure.

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wanted -- you have some sort of a media

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presentation, have somebody who sets that up so

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that they don't have to be distracted from

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their responsibilities.

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Normally the people who

So I'm not sure what to tell you.

If --

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are you trying to call a witness?

You need to

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tell me what you're trying to do instead of

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telling me that you want to access a computer

in the middle of the hearing without giving me

any context for that.


MR. KIDD:

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MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

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THE COURT:

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Darrell Volentine.
Oh, I see.

Okay.

So you want

Yes, Your Honor.


And are you ready to do that

now?

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I'm still listening.

to call Mr. Volentine as a witness by Internet?

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I'm calling the witness,

Your Honor.

Yes.

Yes, Your Honor.


Let's see that happen.

Go

ahead.
Is there any objection to the gentleman
being called by electronic communication?
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No.

Pursuant to the earlier

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hearing that we had on telephonic appearance,

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we had settled for this.

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THE COURT:

Did you have a chance to take

a deposition?
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We did, Your Honor, for

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about five-and-a-half hours I had

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Mr. Volentine.

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THE COURT:

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And you're not going to offer

parts of the deposition in first?

going to go ahead and have the guy put -- all

right.

Let's go ahead and find out how it

works.

Let's see if you can get it to happen.

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

You're just

Thank you, Your Honor.

So it's been a couple minutes.

Are you going to be able to get this to work or

not?

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likely to start happening.


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I'm not seeing any indication that it's

Your Honor, both myself and the

defendant are attempting.

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THE COURT:

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What network are you using?


I'm using my paralegal's phone

network because -THE COURT:

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Okay.

That's what you have to

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use.

You can't expect unsecured public Wifi to

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handle streaming video.

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through a cell phone network?

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THE COURT:

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So you're doing it

Correct.
Yeah, that's what you have to

use.
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Your Honor, in order for

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expediency and the Court's time, we would agree

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that Mr. Volentine can dial in and participate

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telephonically, assuming that he has someone

present to take his oath.


THE COURT:

Well, that's going to be the

next thing.

It could be done just by audio, if

you can get that to happen.

look like the video is happening.

But it doesn't

Is there anything different that you're

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doing now than what you did when you were doing

the preparation?
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We've got more evidence to

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offer, Your Honor.

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that via telephonic appearance.


THE COURT:

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But we could accomplish


No problem.

Well, if you're going to do

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anything, you probably ought to try that.

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gentleman stipulated to letting it be done by

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telephone.

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be feasible.

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So let's see if that turns out to

MR. BLUMSTEIN:

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The

Do you want to talk to

him?

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THE COURT:

No.

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MR. BLUMSTEIN:

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THE COURT:

No.
No.

No.

No.

How to connect.

There's a little

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misunderstanding about how things work when

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we're in live court.

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If you need a recess to talk to your

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client about anything, you ask for a recess and

you go and talk to your client about something

outside of the hearing of everybody else.

if that's what you want to do, then fine.

So

But you're not going to make phone calls

and talk to people in the middle of the

courtroom.

didn't know if she's supposed to take it down

or not.

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It's not fair to the reporter.

MR. KIDD:

Your Honor, may I please have a

recess?
THE COURT:

Yes, sir.

Of course, you can.

Of course.

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THE COURT:

Thank you, Your Honor.


Let's go ahead and get him

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teed up.

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step outside and get that done and get him

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online.

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And I'm going to ask you gentlemen to

And then come on back in.

I take it you have somebody at the far


side to swear him in?
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Yes, Your Honor.

As there

would, if he had appeared by video.

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THE COURT:

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MR. BLUMSTEIN:

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Yes.
Your Honor, should we have

him on the Court's phone or try to do it --

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sir.

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Oh, absolutely.

I'm sorry.

I don't know who you are.

MR. BLUMSTEIN:

just trying to help him.

THE COURT:

First of all,

Oh, I'm a paralegal.

I'm

Paralegals aren't even

allowed -- see that wooden piece back there?

That's called a bar.

MR. BLUMSTEIN:

THE COURT:

Yes, Your Honor.

And you're supposed to be

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admitted to the Bar before you come past that

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wooden piece.

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THE COURT:

I apologize.

Okay.

So, no, you're helping

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him for the technical stuff.

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problem.

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expect the court reporter, once again, to know

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who you are and to put that on the record.

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It's not a

But you can't just start talking and

MR. KIDD:

Your Honor, how about -- shall

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I have him call into the court line or what

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would be your preference, Your Honor?

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THE COURT:

I don't have a preference.

If

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you want to have him testify, you have to have

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him testify somehow.

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a speakerphone or something -- whatever you

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have.

So, you know, if you have

I don't know.

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MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

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Thank you, Your Honor.


Are you all set?
Yes, Your Honor.
All right.

So the important

thing is for the reporter to be able to hear

and for opposing counsel to be able to hear.

Let's give it a video task and yourself to

identify himself, please.

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MR. KIDD:

Darrell, could you please state

your name for the record?

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MR. VOLENTINE:

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

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Darrell Volentine.

All right.

Everybody hearing?

May I approach just a little

closer?
THE COURT:

No.

Not a little closer.

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want you to stand right up here next to the

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phone so you can hear.

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All right.

I think we've got everybody

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where we can hear.

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have a Notary Public there?

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Let's go ahead and -- do we

MRS. FARNBERGER:

I'm here.

My name is

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Michelle Marie Farnberger (phonetic), Notary

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Public, State of California.

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THE COURT:
expiration date?

And do you have a Commission


Is that how we keep track of

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people in California?

MRS. FARNBERGER:

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Yes.

December 25th,

2017.
THE COURT:

All right.

Very good.

And do

you have a form that you use in California to

swear people to tell the truth for depositions

and for testimony in court?

MRS. FARNBERGER:

THE COURT:

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California Jurat.

There we go.

MRS. FARNBERGER:

And would you like my

Commission Number?
THE COURT:

That's even better.

What's

the Commission Number?

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MRS. FARNBERGER:

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THE COURT:

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THE COURT:

Are you ready?

No.
2052879.

Thank you.

So when I said a

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form, I didn't mean a piece of paper.

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do you have words that you use to swear

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somebody to sell the truth?

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MRS. FARNBERGER:

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THE COURT:

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MRS. FARNBERGER:

I meant,

Yes.

And then go ahead, please.


Do you, Darrell, swear

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to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing

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but the truth, so help you God?

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MR. VOLENTINE:

THE COURT:

I do.

There we go.

The witness has

properly been sworn, as far as we can tell, by

a Notary Public that is licensed in California.


Is there any objection to the swearing of

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the witness at this point, sir?

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

None, Your Honor.

All right.

Then you may

proceed with your testimony, direct testimony.

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Go ahead.

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MR. KIDD:

Thank you, Your Honor.

DARRELL VOLENTINE,

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Thereupon, the witness herein, being first duly

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sworn, was examined and testified as follows:


DIRECT EXAMINATION

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Q.

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Mr. Volentine, can you please state your

name and address for the record?

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Excuse me?

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Q.

Mr. Volentine, can you please state your

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name and address for the record?


A.

Darrell Volentine.

803 Via Concha Road,

Nipomo, California 93444.

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Mr. Volentine, what is your profession?

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A.

Pest control.

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Mr. Volentine, are you familiar with

Exhibit A from the April 7th, 2016 hearing?

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Yes.

Q.

Do you have it in front of you?

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Yes.

Q.

Please take a few moments to read it over.

I'm going to ask you a few questions about it.

A.

Okay.

Q.

Mr. Volentine, are the contents of Exhibit

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I'm ready.

A postings?

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A.

No.

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Q.

Are some of the contents of Exhibit A

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postings?

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A.

I do not recognize them.

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Q.

Mr. Volentine, I direct your attention to

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the bottom half of Page 4.

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A.

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record?

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Q.

So for the record --

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A.

I have it in front me.

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Q.

For the record, from the bottom of Page 4

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Okay.

Now, here we go.

So for the

on, do you recognize those postings.

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Yes, I do.

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Q.

Thank you, Mr. Volentine.

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How is it that

you were able to recognize these postings, Mr.

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Volentine?
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How is it that you recognize the context

of those postings, Mr. Volentine?


A.

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It says my name, Buccaneer 1961, means

Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan, born 1961.

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Because it has my alias on it, Buccaneer

1961.

Q.

Thank you.

A.

And it also matches word for word what was

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post -- what I had posted on the Endurance

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Exploration Board.
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How were you able to verify what you

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posted on the Endurance Exploration Board, Mr.

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Volentine?
A.

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it.

I went right to the board and I can read

And I also made copies of it from it.


Q.

Thank you.

Mr. Volentine, I direct your

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attention to the very first posting on Page 4.

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you read it for the Court, please?

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A.

Can

The mighty CEO here is no Koward but a

smart enterprising person.


Q.

Could you please explain to the Court the

context of the letter K being used to spell Koward?


A.

Yes.

Sometimes people write K, for Kool.

Sometimes they'll even post -- and you can even find

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my post, not just here but also in the stock

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Can you stop him?

THE WITNESS:

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Mr. Volentine, could you go ahead and

repeat that, please?

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THE COURT:

No.

THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

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No.

No.

That's not how

it works.

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I use the word Koward or the

letter K for Kat for Kalifornia.

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I can't hear him.

(Inaudible) as in --

Get him to stop, first of all.


Mr. Volentine, sorry.

I need

you to stop.
THE COURT:

Okay.

This is the problem

with testimony by phone.


Sir, I need you to listen to me carefully.
Can you hear me?

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

Yes.

All right.

What you need to

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do is realize that we're communicating over a

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medium that is not really high fidelity.

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

Okay.

Sir, listen, please.

The lady

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here who's taking down everything needs to take

things down accurately.

stop everybody if she doesn't hear what's going

on, and that's what's just happened.

And it's her job to

So what I need you to do for us is to make

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sure that you speak like I'm speaking now, and

nobody will worry that it sounds condescending.

We just have to do it that way.


You just have to speak with your words

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farther apart, louder and articulated more

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clearly, especially though, farther apart.

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you start talking rapidly, it makes it very

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hard for anybody on this end to know what

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you're saying.

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saying?

Do you understand what I'm

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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Go ahead, Counsel.

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BY MR. KIDD:

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Q.

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If

Oh, yes.

Yes, I do.

Will you do that then, please?


Yes, I shall.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Mr. Volentine, I direct your attention to

the top of Page 2, Exhibit A -MR. KIDD:

Tab 2 in Your Honor's booklet.

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BY MR. KIDD:

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Mr. Volentine, do you recognize the first

paragraph not in bold directly below your name?


A.

No.

I do not recognize it.

The e-mail is

not grouped together, nor would it show who or what

I was posting to.

to something.

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Q.

And it's totally out of context

I do not recognize that.

Mr. Volentine, how is it that you identify

this communication as an e-mail?

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A.

It says SVpestman@Verizon.net.

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Q.

Thank you, Mr. Volentine.

Mr. Volentine,

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how is it that you gather your information as it

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regards to Seafarer Exploration Corp.?

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A.

Well, I relied on posters on the stop

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message board at Investors Hub and private messages

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from other posters that would tell me things

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concerning the stop.

Now, I look through filings.

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Q.

Which filings are those, Mr. Volentine?

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A.

The 10Ks and 10Qs that were -- that were

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filed by the company that go to the Security

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Exchange Commission and that are on the public

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information up on the Seafarer board and they're

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signed by Kyle Kennedy.

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Q.

Thank you, Mr. Volentine.


MR. KIDD:

Nothing further at this moment.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

Cross-examination?
Thank you, Your Honor.

CROSS-EXAMINATION

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BY MR. HUFFMAN:

Q.

Mr. Volentine, this is Mr. Huffman.

A.

Hello.

Q.

Mr. Volentine, do you remember on or about

September 30th of 2014 -- do you remember entering

into a certain stipulation that was a number of

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pages and, as a matter of fact, we discussed that at

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your deposition last Wednesday.

Do you recall that?

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

And you recall that you signed that

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stipulation, which also included a permanent

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lifetime injunction, correct?

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A.

Well, there's lots of it that I don't

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remember, as I told you, because I told you and

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Judge Cook I skimmed through it.

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understand what was there.

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it to find the initials where you told me, because

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you said it would be done and over with.

I didn't

I just skimmed through

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Q.

Okay.

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A.

And that's what I did.

I wanted it to be

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done and over with.

So I just did that to make you

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happy and we go our separate ways.

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Mr. Volentine, did you sign the document

that was dated September --

A.

I did.

Q.

You did?

A.

If you're referring to the document we

Can you say that again?

just talked about, yes, I did, and initialed it in a

few places, too, I believe.

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Q.

All right.

Would you agree that that

document contained this as part of the injunction,

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that such injunction extends to all forms of

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communication, including the Internet postings,

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Internet message boards, written communications of

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any kind, in any form, to any third party, of any

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kind?

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A.

No.

It was my understanding that --

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because you tried to bring that up to the judge and

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she specifically told you afterwards that --

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Q.

No.

Mr. Volentine, let me ask you this.

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After the entry of that injunction, did you go on

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message boards and reference to Seafarer

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Exploration, any board?

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A.

I'm going to have to say, no, because I

don't recall that.

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Q.

You don't recall or you did not?

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A.

No, not afterwards.

So I'm just going to

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have to say no.

memory, I'm going to go with that answer.

Q.

And unless something jogs my

Mr. Volentine, do you recall that you

received this Exhibit A on August 12th of 2015 when

it was originally filed?

A.

I do.

Q.

And you subsequently -- it was refiled on

December 6th of 2015; do you recall that?

A.

Yes.

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Q.

So Mr. Volentine, having seen this exhibit

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a number of times before the hearing on April 7th,

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2016, did you do anything to object to the contents

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of what were included in Exhibit A?

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A.

I don't recall.

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Q.

Mr. Volentine, besides your testimony here

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today, is there anything else that you know of that

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shows that you did not mean Seafarer Exploration, or

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referring to Seafarer Exploration by implication of

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what you said in those posts, is there anything else

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other than your testimony today?

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A.

Yeah.

They were posted on the Endurance

Exploration Board.

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Q.

Right.

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A.

And you stipulated to that a couple weeks

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ago, that you understood that when Kyle made his

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testimony that they were on the Seafarer Exploration

board.

Q.

Okay.

THE COURT REPORTER:

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part?

BY MR. HUFFMAN:

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Let me ask you this --

Q.

What is the last

What was the last part, Mr. Volentine?

I'll ask you to repeat the answer.


A.

It was -- that when it was on the

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Endurance Exploration board that I posted those.

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And I know that Kyle Kennedy gave testimony that

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they were posted on the Seafarer Exploration board

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and you stipulated about a couple weeks ago that it

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indeed was wrong, that it was on the Endurance

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Exploration board and not on the Seafarer board.

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All posts were on the Endurance Exploration board,

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and I'm talking about that stock.

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Q.

All right.

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A.

That CEO and the qualities they have in

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that (inaudible) --

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Q.

Mr. Volentine --

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A.

(Inaudible.)

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Q.

I'm sorry.

Mr. Volentine, I cut you off.

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Let me ask you this.

So it's your testimony today

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that you have never referenced, if not by name, by

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initials or any way else, Seafarer Exploration or

their attorney or an agent or anyone who has

anything to do with Seafarer Exploration.

never referenced them on any board anywhere?

You've

A.

That's my understanding.

Q.

That's your understanding or --

A.

(Inaudible) --

Q.

-- or have you or have you not?

A.

-- show me where I did, I'm going to have

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to say I have not.


Q.

Mr. Volentine, you did not appear at the

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April 7th, 2016 hearing.

So you did not, at the

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time, take any issue with anything in Exhibit A,

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correct?

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A.

Correct.

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Q.

Before that time, sir, every hearing that

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was held did you or did you not appear

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telephonically before the Court?

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A.

I did.

Yes, I did.

THE COURT:

Is there anything else,

Counsel?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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way of redirect, sir?

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MR. KIDD:

No.

Nothing further.

Anything further for you by

Yes, sir, Your Honor.

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BY MR. KIDD:

Q.

Mr. Volentine, have you ever broken the

injunctive order against you?


MR. HUFFMAN:

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Objection, calls for

conclusion of law.

THE WITNESS:

THE COURT:

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No.

He says no.

We'll hear the

answer, but we have to take it for what it's

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worth, subject to the injunction -- the

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objection.

Excuse me.

Next question, sir.

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BY MR. KIDD:

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Q.

Mr. Volentine, were any of the postings or

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messages referenced to an Exhibit A in any way the

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subject of Seafarer Exploration, Kyle Kennedy or any

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member of his family?

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A.

No.

The KK used there was in reference to

Bruce K. Klein, the Kowardly Klein he's referred to.

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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Thank you.

Are you asking for leave to

recross?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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Nothing further.

I would, Your Honor.

One question.

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BY MR. HUFFMAN:
Q.

Now, could you explain to the Court the

relationship of Bruce K. Klein to Seafarer

Exploration?

A.

None, that I'm aware of.

Q.

As a matter of fact, Mr --

A.

(Inaudible) on another board.

Q.

Mr. Volentine, so Bruce K. Klein, as you

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say, you put KK.

you are now stating that's Bruce Klein, right?


A.

Yes.

I told you that during the

deposition.
Q.

I understand; however, the Court was not

present for the deposition.


Now, to your understanding, is Bruce Klein

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Instead of meaning Kyle Kennedy,

a client of mine in other matters?

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A.

Yes.

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Q.

So when you talk about an attorney and a

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KK and so forth, you're now meaning another client

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of mine from an involvement in another company in

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which you were never a shareholder, correct?

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A.

Correct.
THE COURT:

Anything else from either one

of you?
MR. KIDD:

Nothing further at this time,

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Your Honor.

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

Evidence or --

No.

No.

Just with this

witness.

hope you can hear me, sir.

I'm going to ask the gentleman -- I

What's happened to -- if this injunction

was entered, or if the order enforcing the

injunction was incorrectly entered, what has

that done to your life?

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THE WITNESS:

I don't understand the

question.
THE COURT:

Well, I don't understand you

not understanding it.


THE WITNESS:

How has it affected you?

Because an injunction, if

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it's worded the way it is, it would involve

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many of my First Amendment rights.

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not -- to watch and see people hump a stock

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that they know has no treasure is upsetting,

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that they know the company -- really has

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nothing to offer.

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want to buy more shares.

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shares.

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THE COURT:

And it's

And people are posting, I


I want to buy more

Why don't you just sell them

the shares?
THE WITNESS:

(Inaudible) looking for a

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long time, not just this stock -THE COURT:

Sir, that's a serious

question.

Why don't you just sell them the

shares if you think that people are buying

shares that they shouldn't be buying?

THE WITNESS:

THE COURT:

Oh, yes.

Absolutely.

Well, that's an answer of

sorts.

How is this affecting you, though?

What I don't understand -- your attorney is in

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here and asking the Court to enter these orders

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of sanctions to punish the other side.

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gather what he's asking me to punish them for

13

is for entering evidence of you violating the

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injunction, that they think was not proper

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evidence, that your attorney thinks was not

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proper evidence.

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And I

And even if that is something that we

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believe did happen, how has that affected you

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directly, is what I'm trying to ask you?

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THE WITNESS:

Because you made mention

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what kind of a person enters into an agreement

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and breaks it.

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Also, you told them they could get

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attorney's fees based on that fraud.

And Craig

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Huffman, he aided and abetted in that fraud

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because he knew they were not posting on the

Seafarer board.

And everything is going good, I should

say, until Kyle Kennedy got up there and swore

under oath that they were on the Seafarer

Exploration board.

whole matter changed, that perhaps I was

violating it.

Then you're thinking the

Also, it's just frustrating to be accused

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of something that I know good and well that I

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didn't do.

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clear and stated because they were also asking

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that I be incarcerated.

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criminal contempt.

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asking for.

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I just wanted the record to be

THE COURT:
though, right?

THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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THE WITNESS:

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(Inaudible.)

That didn't happen, right?


No.

And I thank you for

that.

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That's what they were

Yeah, that didn't happen,

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They were asking for

THE COURT:
me.

Well, you don't have to thank

I'm just going to do my job either way.


So Counsel, either one of you want to ask

the gentleman a question in light of the

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questions that I've asked him?

clearly goes to the question of, you know, how

this affected him directly.

the considerations that are pertinent in this

kind of a proceeding.

It quite

It's just one of

You're welcome to ask any follow-up

questions you want to ask, if you want --

please, don't feel obligated.

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MR. KIDD:

I'm going to go ahead and pass

on that opportunity, Your Honor.


MR. HUFFMAN:

Thank you.

I don't believe so, Your

Honor.
THE COURT:

Yeah, I didn't think I left

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anything obvious that needed to be asked

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anyways.

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So let's go on to whatever's next.

Sir, you're welcome to stay on the line

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and listen in.

But your testimony time is

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over.

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going to have to turn your line off.

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understand what I'm saying?

And if you interject or anything, we're

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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I understand.

Do you

But --

Oh, oh, it's incorrect.


(Inaudible.)

Sometimes the use of the word

but is incorrect in this context.

There is no

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understand?

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You just need to understand.

THE WITNESS:

Oh, I got you.

Do you

No.

I need

to go back and go to work.


THE COURT:

That's fine then.

If you

don't want to listen in, you're certainly not

required to.

point and say good-bye.

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We'll turn the line off at this

MR. KIDD:

Thank you very much.

Thank you for your time, Mr.

Volentine.

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THE WITNESS:

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

Thank you.

What's next, Counsel?


Next I would like to offer

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Exhibits 1 through 5 to be entered into

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evidence, Your Honor.

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THE COURT:

Well, usually we take them up

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one at a time.

You mean the ones that are in

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the book, right?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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Yes, Your Honor.


Number 1, is there any

objection to Number 1, sir?


MR. HUFFMAN:

That's the motion.

No

objection.

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

It's technically -Exhibit A, Mr. Huffman?

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objection.

1.

Exhibit 2.

Oh, Exhibit A.

Oh, no

I filed it.

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So far we're on Exhibit Number

And Exhibit A, as he's been calling it, is

So he's not objecting to Exhibit 1.

And

the Court will receive Exhibit 1 for what it

is, because it's part of the court file anyway.

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(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 1 was received.)


THE COURT:

The court file's not

automatically in evidence.
And so Number 2, you want to offer that
one, right?
MR. KIDD:

Yes.

And, Your Honor, just to

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clarify, within the index here I've marked

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Defendant's Exhibit 1, Exhibit 2, Exhibit 3,

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Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5 in bold, Your Honor.

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So when I refer to Exhibit 1, I do not

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mean Tab 1.

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Your Honor.

I mean, Exhibit 1, which is Tab 2,

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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that.

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understand it.

You did what now?


May I approach, Your Honor?
No.

No.

We don't need to do

I'll be able to follow it once I


It just takes me a minute

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sometimes.
You're saying that you gave me a book full

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of tabbed exhibits and the exhibit numbers

aren't going to match up to the tabs?

MR. KIDD:

Correct, Your Honor.

THE COURT:

Well, actually, I'll not use

that word.

But let's make sure that we have

the exhibits -- well, first of all, why?

would we not just take the stuff that's under

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Tab 1 and call it Exhibit 1?

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just do that?

Why wouldn't we

Does that mess up your presentation

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13

somehow or can we just do it that way?

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would be so much easier for everybody.


MR. KIDD:

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Why

It

If Your Honor is so inclined,

that's fine.

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THE COURT:

Okay with counsel over here?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

No objection, Your Honor.

Yeah, I'm not trying to -- if

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it messes up your presentation somehow, tell

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me.

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way to take it would be according to the tabs.

But it just seems to me that the natural

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MR. KIDD:

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Okay, Your Honor.


Let's call -- we'll show --

what's under Tab 1 is now received.

And I'll

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make sure that when we go back to reconstruct

the evidentiary record, which I have a clerk

who does, that they actually put the tabs in as

part of the sequence, so it's clear what's

going on.

MR. KIDD:

Thank you, Your Honor.

THE COURT:

Now 2 is what you've been

calling Exhibit A, which was an exhibit to the

document that was in the other -- the just

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admitted exhibit.

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evidence?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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Yes, Your Honor.


And you're not objecting to

that, are you, sir?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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You want to move that into

Certainly not, Your Honor.

That one comes in as Number 2.

(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 2 was received.)


THE COURT:

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Now, what I'm looking at and

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calling Number 3 is, the document that says --

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upper left-hand corner, replies to message and

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Investor's Hub.

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one?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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And we're looking at the same

Yes, Your Honor.


And you're moving that into

evidence?

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Yes, Your Honor.


Received or not received,

what's your -MR. HUFFMAN:

Received, Your Honor.

I've

verified those posts exist on the Endurance

Exploration board.

(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 3 was marked.)

THE COURT:

to tell me admitted.

Well, you're going

And then under Tab 4 you have a piece of

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11

transcript.

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for?

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All right.

And what are you offering that

MR. KIDD:

Your Honor, this is part of --

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these are transcripts from the April 7th

15

hearing, which is the subject of this hearing,

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as well.

17

This is evidence to show what I've been

18

attempting to prove to Your Honor, that the

19

evidence offered at the April 7th hearing was

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false and deceitful.

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THE COURT:

Well, that's kind of a general

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answer to what was supposed to be a fairly

23

specific question.

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What exactly factually is it supposed to


show?

In other words, a conclusion that

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something was false or the conclusion that it

was deceitful, those have all these underlying

little pieces that you have to establish before

that big conclusion can be reached, right?

MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

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So which of those underlying

little pieces are you relying on here?


MR. KIDD:

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Yes, Your Honor.

This is the testimony given by

Kyle Kennedy, as well as a few other excerpts


from the hearing.

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THE COURT:

The attorney testified?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

No.

No.

He's not -- that's

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Mr. Kennedy there.

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the record reflect that Kyle Kennedy is with

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me.

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THE COURT:

He's not the attorney.

No.

The other gentleman had

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said that -- I thought he said that the

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attorney testified.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

Let

Anyway --

Right.

-- so then this part here

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where the attorney is talking about what Judge

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Cook said has been highlighted.

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have anything to do with what Mr. Kennedy's

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testimony here was, right?

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asking.

That doesn't

That's why I'm

Because we go through things at this

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level of detail.
MR. KIDD:

So the highlight referring to

Judge Cook was just to establish a basis of

what the boundaries of the injunctive order

were meant to be, Your Honor.


THE COURT:

And this part over here where

you have what the Court was saying, that's also

not something that is used to prove that

Mr. Kennedy did anything deceitful, is it?

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MR. KIDD:

No, Your Honor.

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

This is --

I mean it shows that the -Mostly for -Changed the terms of the

14

injunction and added some additional terms to

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it.

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MR. KIDD:

Yes, Your Honor.

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THE COURT:

We all know that that's true.

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That's not in doubt now.

19

evidence for that at this point.

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What else?

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MR. KIDD:

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You don't need

The rest of it is, in fact,

Mr. Kennedy's testimony, Your Honor.


THE COURT:

Right.

Okay.

So you're

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asking to admit 15 through -- it jumps to --

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you're asking to admit 46 through 49, 50, 51,

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which would all be testimony, right?


MR. KIDD:

It begins on 45, Your Honor,

with the swearing in.


THE COURT:

Well, you don't need that if

the swearing is not contested, and it's not.

So those pages come into evidence, according to

plaintiff's counsel or no?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

Your Honor, I filed the

whole matter into the court records.


THE COURT:

Then you're not objecting to

those -MR. HUFFMAN:

Obviously, Your Honor.

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(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibits 46 through 49, 50,

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51 were received.)

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THE COURT:

All right.

What about this

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next transcript, April 7th, 2016?

17

one we're here about.

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transcript?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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That's the

Is that just the whole

It is, Your Honor.


All right.

There's no

objection to that coming in?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

None, Your Honor.

So we'll receive that.

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9 -- or I'm sorry, that's Number 6.

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looking at it upside-down.

Number

I was

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Any -- are you offering that into


evidence?

MR. KIDD:

Yes, Your Honor.

THE COURT:

All right.

Is there any

objection, Plaintiff's Motion for Order to Show

Cause?

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

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All right.

That's been

received.
(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 6 was received.)
THE COURT:

Number 7, Defendant's Motion

to Compel and Motion for Sanctions.


MR. KIDD:

Yes.

It's being offered, Your

Honor.

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THE COURT:

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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No objection, Your Honor.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

Objection?

No objection.

Received.

(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 7 was received.)

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THE COURT:

Eight?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

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MR. HUFFMAN:

Same posture, Your Honor.


Offering it into evidence?
Yes, Your Honor.
Your Honor, I'm not going to

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object to court filings being entered into

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evidence.

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Well, I mean, it's always kind

of tricky because you say anything you want in

a court filing.

filing is the only thing that we prove by

putting it into evidence, is that it was filed,

for whatever value that has.

(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 8 was received.)

THE COURT:

MR. KIDD:

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And the fact that it's a court

All right.

It is being offered, Your

Honor.

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THE COURT:

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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Number 9?

Objecting or no?
I'm not sure what it is.

have a single page.


THE COURT:

So that's -- you have to

either object or not object at this point.


MR. HUFFMAN:

I need clarification as to

its identification.
THE COURT:

So you have to object or not

object at this point.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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So now you have to tell me what it is and

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I will object.

So he's going to object.

why we should receive it into evidence.


MR. KIDD:

Yes, Your Honor.

This is a

term of use reminder for the Investor's Hub

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message board.

that.

www.bar-tampa.com

It's being used to clarify

THE COURT:

MR. KIDD:

I'm sorry, Your Honor?

THE COURT:

How do we know that?

MR. KIDD:

That it's a term of use

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8
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10
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And how do we know that?

reminder from the investor's board, Your Honor?


THE COURT:

How do we have any idea what

it is?
MR. KIDD:

Because it says right on the

page, Your Honor, T-O-U reminder -THE COURT:

You're not serious.

In order

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to get a writing into evidence there has to be

14

some other evidence that shows that it is what

15

it purports to be.

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It can't prove itself, unless it's one of

17

those narrow class of self-proving things like

18

a Judgment of a Court or the Certificate of

19

Incorporation of a company or something like

20

that that have seals and things.

21

list of them in the statute.

22

say anywhere that these kinds of things are

23

self-proving.

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25

There's a

And it doesn't

So unless you have a witness or some other


evidence that proves this is what it purports

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to be, we don't go any further.

to have anything like that?


MR. KIDD:

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I'll withdraw that request,

Your Honor.
THE COURT:

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MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

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All right.

Yes, Your Honor.


And if that is what it says it

is, I don't suppose you're going to object to


it.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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14
15

So then let's go

on to the next one and that would be Number 10.

Are you going

Certainly not, Your Honor.

Okay.

So they're not going to

object to that either.


(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 10 was received.)
THE COURT:

And here's some handwritten --

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there's some things in here with handwritten --

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or are all these -- are they official filings,

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is that what they are?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

Yes, sir.

Go all the way to the end of

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your book and see if you have -- I have the

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last one being Page 15, handwritten Page 15,

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and saying it's a 10Q from 8/19 of 15.

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what you have in your book?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

Is that

The last page does not say

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that, but the one before it says 10Q,

8/19/2015.
THE COURT:

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anything.

MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

The last page doesn't say

Right.
So you have the same copy that

I have.

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

Yes, sir.

And, therefore, are able to

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formulate whether you're going to object or

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not.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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That's correct.

Are you going to object?


No.

All right.

So those will all

be received into evidence.


(Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit 11 was received.)
THE COURT:

Basically, sir, your entire

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book has been received into evidence, except

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for the one document that you withdrew.

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22
23

So what else do you want to do at this


point?
MR. KIDD:

Your Honor, at this point,

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pursuant to Tab 2, Exhibit A, I've asked the

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Court to take judicial notice of Tab 10.

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Sir, it's already in evidence.


Right.

Thank you.

Your Honor,

the point I'd like to make with Tab 10 is that

as it relates to Tab 2, Exhibit A, even if the

subject of these postings -- or sorry.

messages are found to be about Seafarer, which

in no way do we concede, the 10Q filings of Tab

10 will prove the veracity of their assertions,

Your Honor.
MR. HUFFMAN:

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Objection, what's the

relevance?
THE COURT:

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13

These

Well, this is -- I want to see

where this goes.


MR. KIDD:

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I'm listening.

So, Your Honor, as has been

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mentioned previously, even though my client is

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under an injunctive order there are privileged

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violations of an injunctive order.

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The truth of the matter being one of them.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

Objection, Your Honor.

That

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modification was only made by this Court on

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April 7th -THE COURT:

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Hang on now.

Hang on.

How

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would that stop -- how would that be an

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objection to his -- I'm not sure what this is

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yet.

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Okay.

www.bar-tampa.com

Your objection is that -- is he

done with his evidence or not done with his

evidence?

We usually clearly demarcate that.

sure, either.

Has he started arguing yet or not?


And I'm not

If that's what your objection is, I'll

sustain that objection.

you just argue that you disagree with him and

make that a basis for your objection.

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11
12

not how it works.

I'm not going to have

That's

Please have a seat.

Sir, are you finished with your


evidentiary presentation?

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MR. KIDD:

Yes, Your Honor.

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THE COURT:

All right.

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make your argument?

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MR. KIDD:

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THE COURT:

So now you want to

Yes, Your Honor.


Well, you don't get to do that

18

now, because you made your opening argument.

19

Now you finish your evidentiary presentation.

20

Now, they get to make their opening argument,

21

if they want.

22

evidentiary presentation on.

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get a chance to make your final argument.

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They get to put their


And then you'll

If they have some other kind of motion


that they make, then you'll certainly be heard

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before the Court makes a decision on that.

that's where we are now.


So you don't get to object.

But

You have to

stand up and make an opening statement, if you

want one, or present evidence, if you want to,

or do whatever else it is that you think is

appropriate to do at this stage of the

proceedings.
MR. HUFFMAN:

Your Honor, I would ask to

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do the opening at this point.

11

that the Court feels it needs to hear,

12

obviously we have Mr. Kennedy available, as

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well as a witness to the post -THE COURT:

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And anything

Let's be clear.

I have no

feelings and I have no needs.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

Understood.

If you want to stay over there

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when you make your opening, that's fine with

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me.

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podium, that's also allowed.


MR. HUFFMAN:

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I will come no closer than

the podium, I assure the Court.


THE COURT:

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If you want to come no closer than the

Very good.

Go right ahead,

sir.
MR. HUFFMAN:

I am not comfortable sitting

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while I'm talking.


THE COURT:

That's why I allow people to

do it either way.

MR. HUFFMAN:

Your Honor, I believe the

Court's heard the testimony today that this

injunction has to be taken in two parts.

Number one, you have the actual injunction

itself, which was the order of Judge Cook

entered on October 6th, 2014.

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You then have to go to the conditions of

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the injunction, which are actually included in

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the stipulation that Mr. Volentine does agree

13

that he signed.

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agreed to those matters.

15

No matter his reasoning, he

Basically that said, he should not post

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anywhere, any messages, any e-mails, anything

17

whatsoever about Seafarer individuals --

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individuals who are around Seafarer, to include

19

its agents, employees, managers, directors,

20

attorneys, anybody.

That's what he agreed to.

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So that is what was in place until the

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Court modified it on April 7th of this year

23

when you brought up the right of First

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Amendment.

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So we have to operate under -- that was

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our assumption as we went forward on this,

because we were taking posts that were from a

board which tend to challenge, obviously, the

defendant in this case.

Court to review Exhibit A and show me where

they are actually stating that the parts that

are marked that they were posted on Investor's

Hub starting at Page 4 at the bottom.

they were posted on the Seafarer post.

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They were not.

But obviously for the

That

And that was done on

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purpose.

And not only that, this contains a

12

great deal of, shall I say, my editorializing

13

as it were in bold.

14

term when I say note and then I give my view of

15

what was being said.

I think that's a proper

16

As far as the evidence that was taken in

17

front of the Court, what we had is we had two

18

parts.

19

Number one, we had these messages, which

20

I'm prepared to present testimony of Mr. Greg

21

Patreachas (phonetic).

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actually compiled these messages which were

23

from Darrell Volentine to another individual on

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Facebook and then sent to me.

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He is the one who

Obviously if that were true, then they

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were in violation of the injunction because Mr

-- at least the terms of the agreement that Mr.

Volentine signed and agreed to, that he should

not post.

Seafarer.

He should not message anything about

If you also read on Page 4 on the note --

I go to my editorial at this point.

to -- obviously it's above the post and it

says, the postings on another message board.

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11

It goes

That's on Page 5.
So we have the disclaimers there as well

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as it's showing that these are posted on the

13

EXPL board, which is Endurance Exploration,

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which is by the way, another treasure company,

15

which by the way is also primarily owned by

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Mr. Kennedy's former business partner, which

17

calls into question, obviously, there was a

18

large parting of the ways, the relationship

19

there.

20

which were presented.

21

And we have -- so we have the posts

So what they're arguing and what I've not

22

heard before the Court is the statement and the

23

testimony where Mr. Kennedy said that these

24

posts were posted on the Seafarer board on

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Investor's Hub.

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Now, just so the Court's clear, there are

thousands of message boards on Investor's Hub

for literally any stock you can think of.

go in and you can go on a particular board.

You

In this case Mr. Volentine took the

opportunity, thinking in his mind, and I've

come to this conclusion, that he was allowed to

go to another board and either directly or

indirectly talk about Seafarer.

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THE COURT:

Can I ask you to move to the

11

conclusion, which is after the Court changed

12

the injunction to say that this fellow would be

13

fined for doing it, if he continued to do it in

14

the future, did he do it, as far as you know?

15

MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

There are -- I mean, yes.

So did he do it in a way that

17

was clear-cut enough and material enough for

18

you to assert that right and bring it up in

19

court?

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I haven't heard anything like that yet.

MR. HUFFMAN:

I have not brought it

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because I -- quite honestly, I'm giving him

22

rope.

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THE COURT:

Well, I mean, there's a big

24

difference between thinking that somebody did

25

something that violates a disparagement clause

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in a contract, for example, to use that

analogy, and thinking that it's bad enough for

one to be worth bringing suit over or asking

for, you know --

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

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Yes.

-- further relief within the

context of an ongoing litigation.


MR. HUFFMAN:

Yes.

Well, unlike the

defendant who, when he was pro se, every motion

10

was for a Motion of sanction -- for sanctions,

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in which he filed this.

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THE COURT:

Mr. Kidd --

This was filed pro se, too,

wasn't it?

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

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MR. HUFFMAN:

It was.

Yeah, it was.
So that being said, Judge,

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he had this exhibit since August of 2015.

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hearing was in April.

19

attend.

20

saying, I didn't say those things.

21

The

He didn't bother to

And the only thing he's doing now is

And when I use the letters KK, that's not

22

Kyle Kennedy, that's someone else, Mr. Huffman.

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That's a former client of yours from another

24

company that's unrelated to Seafarer.

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So if he mentions an attorney in the same

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paragraph, obviously he's writing about me with

no cause to do so.

fiction.

So he's creating this

And I think it speaks volumes that he had

appeared at every hearing, every hearing

telephonically, except for that one.

Now, again, I can't find where they find

in Mr. Kennedy's testimony that it was

so-called perjury.

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If anything Mr. Kennedy testified to,

11

which were direct questions when he was asked,

12

he was asked for his -- obviously, his opinion.

13

Was Mr. Volentine talking about Seafarer

14

in these certain paragraphs?

15

has not stated.

16

when there's a K, he's meaning me.

17

Because Seafarer

And what he says, you know,

And again, the Court didn't find Mr.

18

Volentine in violation.

19

clear.

20

was proactive for him in the future.

21

That was abundantly

You modified the injunction so that it

THE COURT:

So based on your argument, is

22

there some sort of interim hearing motion that

23

you're making, or are you just giving me a

24

general argument and we're going to get to your

25

factual presentation?

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Judge, at this point, I

would move that given the substance of what's

contained before the Court, when weighed

against the allegations, there is not

sufficient evidence to move forward on the

motion for sanctions as they pertain to

Mr. Kennedy, Seafarer and perhaps I shouldn't

say so, myself.

THE COURT:

Well, let's find out.

This is

10

when Mr. Kidd gets to make the argument that he

11

was launching into before when we told him to

12

hold off.

13

about that.

14

another chance to speak before anything

15

happens.

So let's find out what he has to say


And you'll, of course, be given

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MR. HUFFMAN:

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THE COURT:

Yes, Your Honor.

So he's saying -- he's making

18

a motion that basically it's a Motion to

19

Dismiss this proceeding on the grounds that the

20

evidence presented doesn't support the punitive

21

kind of sanctions that you've been asking for.

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Go ahead, sir.

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MR. KIDD:

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Your Honor, opposing counsel certainly has

25

Thank you, Your Honor.

a grand flair for the dramatic, and for that I

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do compliment him.
However, if I may direct your attention to

Tab 4, Page 49, I will read to you a brief

excerpt.

The Court:

What in there in your

estimation has referred it to your company?

None of the part you read did.

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10
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The witness, referring to Mr. Kennedy:


This.

All these posts are posted under

Seafarer Explorations posts.


The Court:

I see.

They're -- they're in

the group.
The witness, again Mr. Kennedy:

And

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they're all -- all pertain to that particular

15

company in columns or files.

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17
18

The Court:

I see.

Go ahead.

What's

next?
Your Honor, very simply put, the claim

19

that the postings came from the Seafarer

20

Exploration was their entire nexus to connect

21

their evidence to a violation of the injunctive

22

order.

23

Now, granted --

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THE COURT:

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But if it came from somewhere

else but still happened, why wouldn't it be a

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legitimate thing for the Court to rely on?


MR. KIDD:

Well, Your Honor, as you can

see -THE COURT:

I mean, your guy couldn't even

contain himself in the testimony.

He had to

get into something where he said that they were

still trying to sell worthless stock.

I mean, he just -- in the theme about

whether he ever said it or not, he still had to

10
11

say it.

He just couldn't contain himself.

And I realize, Counsel, you don't build

12

them; you just fly them.

13

that happens, you're kind of stuck with what's

14

happened, right?

15

MR. KIDD:

But, you know, when

Agreed, Your Honor.

However,

16

the way the Investor's Hub -- or the Investor's

17

Hub message boards work, they're maintained in

18

a sense that if you post about another

19

company -- say you went to the Endurance

20

Exploration board and made a post about

21

Seafarer, that post would be removed.

22

They are very thorough with how they try

23

to stay on topic on the board, you know, given

24

the large volumes of postings and the fact that

25

people come to these boards to get information.

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These younger people know more

about this stuff than any people in my

generation.

moderators police whether they're -- what are

they called, off topic or whatever.

of that.

They have moderators and the

So go ahead.

MR. KIDD:

Yes, Your Honor.

I've heard

So what's

happened here, Your Honor, is that the

10

plaintiff has come to you with evidence saying,

11

you know, we have a violation here.

12

the defendant operating outside of the

13

injunction; however, as you can see from the

14

evidence presented, and as the evidence will

15

continue to show, my client did not even post

16

about Seafarer Exploration.

17

THE COURT:

We have

These challenges that you're

18

making of the evidence that they used then, why

19

weren't these challenges made known back then?

20

I mean, there was nothing new that

21

happened to reveal them in the intervening time

22

frame.

23

MR. KIDD:

Correct, Your Honor.

I took

24

that hearing on short notice.

And I've spent a

25

great deal of my time since that hearing --

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Well, your efforts were

nothing short of heroic, under the

circumstances, but you still have the result

that you have.

Basically what you're asking me to do is

to re-litigate that decision and the one that

was made before.

And I'm not telling you that that's out of

the question, but to do it in the context of

10

the Motion for Sanctions, again, I know that

11

that wasn't your personal choice, but that's

12

most inappropriate.

13

Because the first thing that you would

14

normally do is to show that the change in the

15

injunction or that the initial entry of the

16

injunction was made in error and ask the Court

17

to set it aside or something.

18

happened yet.

19

That hasn't

Instead, the guy will go -- instead of

20

pulling out the baseball bat, he goes straight

21

for the gun and says, let's hold them in

22

sanctions and declare them frauds and liars,

23

when it's entirely possible that they said

24

things that turned out to be wrong, they just

25

were mistakes that they misattributed somehow.

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And that's really all the evidence so far

has shown, that there's not been any -- in

order to get sanctions, you have to have

evidence of deliberate, willful deception.

And you've got some evidence that then

that they -- most of the evidence comes from

them admitting it, that there is a difference

between the original attribution that they had

and what they have now, in having checked it

10

out in more detail, have attributed

11

differently.

12

And it might be possible that they did it

13

in some sinister way to try to deceive people,

14

but it's very rare that people do that because

15

they almost never get away with it, because

16

these proceedings never end, seemingly.

17

So what I'm going to tell you now is that,

18

had you brought a motion to set aside that

19

second part of the injunction, I'd be listening

20

very carefully to the case you've been putting

21

on and take it very seriously, and making them

22

put on a defense to that question.

23

not the relief that you've asked for today.

But that's

24

You've asked for a relief that would

25

amount to punitive sanctions against them, and

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some sort of declaration that they have done

something that deserved punishment.

can't make that determination on the evidence

that's been presented so far today.

not enough to support that relief.

And I

It's just

That doesn't mean that you can't still

ask, citing the same basic argument you've

made, to amend the injunction.

You're allowed to ask to amend or dissolve

10

an injunction at any time.

11

then I have to listen to all of the evidence

12

and the fact that it might be -- some of it

13

might be the same evidence, is not grounds for

14

excluding it.

15

And if you do that,

I'll listen to it.

But right now all I've heard is evidence

16

which, if this was a proceeding about altering

17

the injunction, would give rise to a serious

18

decision about altering the injunction, not one

19

that would give rise to just deciding all at

20

once that somebody is committing some sort of

21

punishable offense.

22

And if I didn't mention the connection

23

between the -- what your clients under -- you

24

know, what the lawsuit was against them all

25

about in the first place and the -- this

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particular piece of decision-making on his

part, that is, accuse everybody of something.

It's way out of proportion to which you

have any possible evidence for at this point.

It doesn't support his overall case or it

doesn't support the case that the criticisms

that he's been making are reasoned criticisms,

rather than ones where he saw a little bit of

smoke and decided that there was a great

10

compurgation by filling in a lot of details on

11

his own.

12

So, you know, I'm going to deny the motion

13

because you asked for sanctions.

14

without prejudice to any sort of request to

15

modify or dissolve the injunction that is

16

frankly, in retrospect -- you know, I know that

17

you never had the opportunity personally to

18

make that decision, but you can go tell your

19

client now that he doesn't have the opportunity

20

to make any different decision now.

21

But it's

That's the only remedy that's open to him

22

under these circumstances for the things that

23

you made reference to.

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And like I said, you've got something to


work with.

They've acknowledged that some of

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the things that they said in that process were

not correctly attributed.

mean that everything they did was dishonest

somehow.

hopefully, when we find them, we own up to them

and reckon the consequences of them.

But that doesn't

All of us make mistakes.

And

So if you want to reckon the consequences

of that mistake, we'll do that in the future.

We're not going to do it, because today your

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client had filed papers asking for punitive

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action, which we only take when the case is

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really, really clear that somebody deliberately

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did something wrong or they get like caught in

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a lie and then there's this -- it's a lot more

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fun when that happens, but it's very rare.

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The Perry Mason moments and

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things like that, they don't happen in the real

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An egregious example, Your

Honor.
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Well, so -- in any case,

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advancing the interest of your client, but you

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going to be almost impossible to fulfill.

But

now you can refocus on the things that are more

possible, and we'll see what happens when that

occurs.
So I think that that's all we need to do

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I'm just going to deny it without

prejudice, that motion.

ground that it's really just a motion to set

aside or dissolve the injunction.

And basically for the

And if you

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time before the hearing that that's the relief

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that you're asking for.

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So do you have a question?

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Your Honor --

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There was one other motion,

What was that?


-- on the docket.

What?
There were two, Your Honor, but

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THE COURT:

What's the other one?

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MR. KIDD:

Are we out of time or --

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I'll let you know as soon as I

find out what the other one is.


MR. HUFFMAN:

It was a motion for

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sanctions, of course, against Clear Trust,

which is the transfer agent, which by my

understanding --

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THE COURT:

How did they get to be a party

in the case?

MR. HUFFMAN:

THE COURT:

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They were not.

Are they a party in the case?


They've been subpoenaed for

information, Your Honor, that they are still


withholding.

We also have a motion to compel.

THE COURT:

All right.

Are you telling me

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you served a subpoena to Clear Trust and they

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didn't reply?

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MR. KIDD:

I did not personally, Your

Honor, but Mr. Volentine did, as pro se.


THE COURT:

I didn't see -- I didn't look

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for it, because I wasn't aware that we were

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going to be talking about that today.

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didn't see any service return about that in the

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file.

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is it?

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And if there's a service return, how old


You don't know?

MR. KIDD:

I couldn't tell you, Your

Honor.
THE COURT:

We'll set that up for a

separate hearing.

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Yes, Your Honor.


Because you're going to

need -- if you really are going to ask me to

hold somebody in contempt for not appearing for

a subpoena, I do that when that's appropriate.

But we need to give them separate notice of

that question.

right?

You're not representing them,

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transfer agent.

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between a company.

Well, Judge, they are a

You know that unique situation

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However, this matter had already been

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ruled on, as well, at the April 7th order that

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was entered.

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THE COURT:

Well, that's fine.

I'm not

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first time, either one.

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pretty much spent the amount of time we had

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allocated for this.

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that up separately then talk to each other

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first and then bring it up.

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Okay?

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And if you want to bring

Thank you, Your Honor.


All right.

Have a great day.

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MR. HUFFMAN:

MR. KIDD:

THE COURT:

(HEARING CONCLUDED.)

Thank you, Your Honor.

Are we off the record?


We are.

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I, Dana L. Stockton, Registered Professional


Reporter, certify that I was authorized to and did
stenographically report the foregoing proceedings,
and that the transcript is a true and complete
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employee, attorney or counsel of any of the parties,
nor am I a relative or employee of any of the
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