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poppedupthequestionofwhatiscolddoctrine,whatis
tacticalstrike,whatisournonukefirstpolicy,whatisour
doctrineofattackacross3wingsofarmy,airforceandnavy!
Ihadnoclue.Iwasbusyresearchingonthisinduswater
treaty!WhydidNehrujisignthisatall!!Anywayhereismy
confusedresearch

ConfusionLevel1Whatisthisinduswatertreaty?
Arethereothertreatiesthatwehavesignedwith
otherneighbours?
AfterindependencewehadconflictwithPakovermostofthe
thingsno!Sothe6riversthatflowthroughthatborderarea
Paktookthesethreewesternrivers(theIndus,theChenab
andtheJhelum)
Indiatookthesethreeeasternrivers(theBeas,theRaviand
theSutlej)
ButIndiagot20%controloverInduswaters!
Whobrokeredthedeal?WorldBank!Also,alsothiswasno
watersharingitwasplain,simplepartition!Riverskabhi
partition.
Dowehaveriversharinganywhere?YES.Iwasthinking
bangladesh,nepalandchinaandIfoundthis.
Bangladesh,theeasternneighbourwithwhichIndiahopes
toresolvedifferencesonsharingofTeestaandFenirivers,is
crisscrossedbyover300rivers,54ofwhicharecommon
withIndia.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/reportbangladeshacountry
thatshares54riverswithindia1584128
(http://www.dnaindia.com/india/reportbangladeshacountry
thatshares54riverswithindia1584128)
ChinaweknowofcoursehasinfluenceinBrahmaputras
flow.AndPrelimswaleyyebhipoochsakteyhain
TheBrahmaputra,oneofIndiasmajorrivers,originatesin
TibetandflowsintoArunachalPradeshandAssambefore
goingintoBangladesh.
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So,Chinadidthis19hoursago
http://www.hindustantimes.com/indianews/chinablocks
brahmaputratributaryimpactonwaterflowinindianot
clear/storyQVAYbO2iOBFUSynwwpyneN.html
(http://www.hindustantimes.com/indianews/chinablocks
brahmaputratributaryimpactonwaterflowinindianot
clear/storyQVAYbO2iOBFUSynwwpyneN.html)
ThinkofNepalandwehavethis
ATreatyonIntegratedDevelopmentofMahakaliwassigned
betweenIndiaandNepalinFebruary,1996whichcameinto
forceinJune1997(MahakaliTreaty).
Riverincase=Sarda
Whoelseisleft?Bhutan?AahIhavenopatiencetogoogle
itcozihaveanewquestion!

ConfusionLevel2:Canwejustwalkofftheindus
watertreaty?Justlikethat!Likeaboss?
Modisirtoboldiyekibloodandwatercannotflowtogether
butbutNehruSirhassignedthisclause!
ArticleXIIofthetreatysaysTheprovisionsofthisTreaty,or,
theprovisionsofthisTreatyasmodifiedundertheprovisions
ofParagraph(3),shallcontinueinforceuntilterminatedbya
dulyratifiedtreatyconcludedforthatpurposebetweenthe
twogovernments.StillifIndiawantstogoaboutabrogating
it,thecountryshouldabidebythe1969Viennaconvention
onthelawoftreaties
Viennaconventiononlawsoftreaties!!!Ihavenotimeto
googleitcozIwonderifletssaywestoptheflow.Whatnext
Dowehavereservoirstoholdwater?IknowitsnotUPSC
stuffbutwhatiftherearedamsandUPSCjustasksabout
PRELIMSquesonthose!!!
Ifoundthatindiahasnostoragefacilityonwesternrivers.
Okay,IgoogledaboutViennaTreatyandIndiascaseinit
andfoundthatIndiahasneithersignednorratifiedthelawon
treaties
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Readmoreherehttp://swarajyamag.com/world/howindia
canunilaterallywalkawayfromtheinduswaterstreaty
(http://swarajyamag.com/world/howindiacanunilaterally
walkawayfromtheinduswaterstreaty)
But,hypotheticallyifincasewebreakthetreatywhatdo
weget!
IndiawillgetmoresharefromIndusandwillhelpin
developingIrrigationandHEPinJ&K.
HowevermanyneighbourslikeNepalandBangladeshwith
whomwevewatertreatiesmaygosceptical.
Chinamaygetanexcusetobuildevenmoredamsat
Brahmaputraandwecantopposeforcefully.

ConfusionLevel3:Whatdoexpertssayonthis.Coz
opedslikhnetobandnahihue.Everyhumanwho
hasanopinionandalaptopiswritingsagasover
this.
HereswhatIfound
WBSays:AtmosttheWorldBankwouldstepinto,asper
thetreaty,toappointaneutralexpert,orhelpsetupaCourt
ofArbitration,incaseofadispute.
Expert1:Indiadoesnothavetheenoughstoragefacilityto
createasupplyproblemimmediatelyforPakistan.
Ithastoraiseitsdamstructuresandthatwilltaketime.
Thereisalsoanotherangletoit.India,evenifitwantsto,
cannottakethewateroutofKashmirValley.So,thewaterof
thethreerivers(Indus,JhelumandChenab)willremainin
theirbasinandIndiacannotdivertthattootherareasdueto
geographicalreasons.Indiacanstopthesupplyforsome
time,butcannotdivertit.
ExpertonChina:ChinaisquietlysignallingIndiathatany
abrogationoftheIndusWatersTreatytopunishitsall
weatherfriendPakistanwillhaveconsequencesforthis
countryaswell.
Allthistellsmethatkuchnahihonewala.EkMainskaques
banegashayadbutPrelimsmaybeyes.
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The Big Picture -Indus Water Treaty:Can it become the handle?

QuestionsfromPrelimsDaily
#1.ConsiderfollowingstatementsinregardtoIndus
WaterTreaty.
1.Indiaisallowedtouseonly30percentofriverIndus
waterforirrigation,powergenerationandtransport
purposes.
2.APermanentIndusCommissionwassetupasa
bilateralcommissiontoimplementandmanagethe
Treaty.
3.ThoughIndusoriginatesfromTibet,Chinahasbeen
keptoutoftheTreaty.
Whichofthestatementsgivenaboveis/arecorrect?
a)1and2only
b)3only
c)2and3only
d)1,2and3only

QuestionsfromTargetMains
#1.ItisarguedthatareviewoftheIndusWaterTreatycould
provetobeadoubleedgedswordforIndia.Discusswhy.
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#3.HowdidIndiaandPakistansolveIndusriverwater
sharingproblem?Doyouthinkbothcountriescanresolve
theirotherbilateralproblemsinthesamemanner?Critically
examine.

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October9,2016at10:39pm

WithrespecttoIndusWatersTreaty
*ItsaysIndiacanusewatersofwesternriversfornonconsumptiveuse.
*AlsoitsaysthatIndiacanusewaterevenforirrigation,STORAGE,producingelectricity
*ForSTORAGEtherewillbetheneedofbuildingreservoirbutisitallowed?
*NowreadtheAnnexureEistitled,StorageofWatersbyIndiaontheWesternRiversof
theoriginalfromthefollowinglink:
http://mea.gov.in/bilateraldocuments.htm?dtl/6439/Indus(http://mea.gov.in/bilateral
documents.htm?dtl/6439/Indus)
ANNEXUREESTORAGEOFWATERSBYINDIAONTHEWESTERNRIVERS
(ArticleIII(4))
TheprovisionsofthisAnnexureshallapplywithrespecttothestorageofwateronthe
WesternRivers,andtotheconstructionandoperationofStorageWorksthereon,by
IndiaundertheprovisionsofArticle111(4).
AsusedinthisAnnexure:
StorageWorkmeansaworkconstructedforthepurposeofimpoundingthewatersofa
streambutexcludes
(i)asmallTank,
(II)theworksspecifiedinParagraphs3and4ofAnnexureD,and
(iii)anewworkconstructedinaccordancewiththeprovisionsofAnnexureD.
ReservoirCapacitymeansthegrossvolumeofwaterwhichcanbestoredinthe
reservoir.
DeadStorageCapacitymeansthatportionoftheReservoirCapacitywhichisnotused
foroperationalpurposes,andDeadStoragemeansthecorrespondingvolumeofwater.
LiveStorageCapacitymeanstheReservoirCapacityexcludingDeadStorage
Capacity,andLiveStoragemeansthecorrespondingvolumeofwater.
Outletworks:function,type,size,number,maximumdesignedcapacityandsilllevels.
DischargeproposedtobepassedthroughthePlant,initiallyandultimately,andexpected
variationsinthedischargeonaccountofthedailyandtheweeklyloadfluctuations.
(i)Maximumaggregatecapacityofpowerunits(exclusiveofstandbyunits)forFirm
PowerandSecondaryPower.
(ii)RegulatingBasinanditsoutletworks:type,number,size,silllevelsanddesigned
maximumdischargecapacity.
General
Estimatedeffectofproposeddevelopmentontheflowpatternbelowthelastplant
downstream(withdetailsofestimation),.
Probabledateofcompletionofriverworks,anddatesonwhichvariousstagesofthe
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*Isnotbothcontradictory?

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October10,2016at11:48pm

@confused(http://www.civilsdaily.com/members/confused/)pleaseclearupthis
confusion

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October11,2016at1:08am

Ineverwentintothedepthofthis.Reasonbeingthatyouaretohaveageneral
viewofallCAandnotgointoclausesandannexes.
Andthisiswayyytoinformationtomunchovercostbenefitratiorulesitout.
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Howmayanyoneguessthequestionofprelimsandmakeeasyguessworkgetsuccess
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