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IstherecorruptionintheIndianArmy,andtowhat
Picknewpeopleandtopicstofollowandseethe
extent? bestanswersonQuora.
ItisBSFnotArmyinwhiterannofkutch.I'mnotdisputingarmy'sstatus,butyouhave
writtenaboutwhiterannkutchwhichismannedbyBSF.Plzammendyourquestionand UpdateYourInterests
answeraccordingly.
74Answers
JaspritUppal
UpdatedJul13
Contrarytothepositivethemebeingfloatedaround,listingsomecorruptionscams:
1.SuknalandscamCorruptioninarmedforces:Howextensiveistherot?Firstpost
2.AdarshHousingSocietyscam(AirForceIthink)
3.ECHSScamSeniorOfficialsindictedFireintheHoleforFiveArmyWhistleblowers
4.Faultybootscausingdeathof328soldiersinSiachinGlacier
http://creative.sulekha.com/incr...
Theseareafewitems,IamsureifyoucombCAGsreportyouwillgetmoreinsightsCag
Auditreports|ComptrollerandAuditorGeneralofIndia .
LookingatthedataIseecorruptioninmostlyprocurementandathigherlevelsof
hierarchyofofficercadre.TheJawansandentrylevelOfficeCadrehavelimitedscopeto
actuallyengageincorruptionandmostlyhaveapassionatesenseofpatriotism.Higher
OfficerCadreengagingincorruptioncanbeattributedto:
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Everyonedoesitphenomenon:Corruptionisquitecontagiousandifyouseethat
politiciansandbabugoscotfreefromcorruption,youwouldtakeachance
HoweverIwouldagreethatIndianArmyisperceivedtobeaswellasinrealitylesscorrupt
thanothersecurityapparatusofthestatei.e.Police.Thereislotofanecdotalevidencethat
youseeisthereasonforotheranswers.Personally,Isawamajorslappingacorrupttraffic
coponBrigadeRoad,Bangalore.Itwasreallyatightslapandthetrafficcopfellatthe
feetofthearmyman.
Wherethereismoney,thereisgreed.Thestate/peoplehavetocomeupwithstrong
scrutinymodelandreducepossibilitiesandincentivesofcorruption.
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AnandSubbarathnam,WorkinaPSUwheregetshearsayinformation
timetotimeaboutcorruptdeals
WrittenJul5
Corruptionandgraftisauniversalphenomenon.Ifitincreasesbeyondacertainlimitin
thearmy,thepeopleoftheCountrywillpayforitdearlybylosingwarstoenemieslike
ChinaandPakistan.Youdontwantthattohappendoyou?Yourfreedomwillbelosteven
withoutashotbeingfired.
WhatifthearmyissuesofsayTavorGunsissubstandardanditjamsatavitalmomentof
anencounterwithaterroristinanambushattackandaninnocentJawandies?.What
happensifthepinofagrenadeisfaultyandthegrenadeisadudandfailstoexplodeon
time?Whathappensiftherationsarecontaminated?Enemiescanwinwarswithout
muchfiringofbulletsbycorruptingofficialsandensuringthatsuchthingscanhappen.
ThecorruptpeoplewithintheestablishmentaretheenemieswhoensurethattheCountry
willpayaheavyprice.Theonlypenaltyforsuchpeoplewhoendangernationalsecurityis
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tobetreatedasterroristequivalentsandshotatpointblankrangeandtheirranksshould
bestrippedandallpensionsstopped
IfcorruptionhappensithappensintheareasofPurchaseandprocurement,awardingof
ContractsbychangingthePrequalificationrequirements,Landdeals,cashorkindfor
promotionsscandals,sexscandalswhereenemyagentslurebakrasorbakristobedby
settingupHoneytrapsandextractsensitiveinformation.In factcorruptioncan
endangerthesecurityofnations.AmissileliketheAgnicouldbemadetofailiftheparts
suppliedbytheContractorsaresubstandard.
OneneedsavigilantdefenceaccountsauditserviceandAGtoexposesuchfinancial
http://scams.It wouldbeequivalentofwinningapartofthebattleagainstyourenemy.
CorruptioninthearmycanbeequatedtotheTrojanhorsevirusonyourcomputerwhere
theattackcomessuddenlyfromwithinandhitsthesoftunderbelly.Nomercyshouldbe
showntosuchelements,thepunishmentmetedoutshouldbethatofinstantdeathfor
treasonandendangeringpublicandnationalsecuritydirectlyorindirectly.
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RitwikGhosh,Loverofallthingsnice
UpdatedJul29
MydadisaSeniorAuditorwiththeCDA(CentralDefenceAccounts)Southern
Command.Sobasicallyhedoesnthaveavardibutwegettoshopatmilitarycanteen.
Anyways,hisworkcanrangefromauditingpensionpaymentstoassessinginfrastructure
coststomakingsurethemissilesareinfactinsidethesiloornot.So,consideringwhatdad
doesforaliving,Ihaveheardplentyofmilitarycorruptionstoriesfrommydadasyoucan
imagine.Infact,anoldjokeinCDAMES(MilitaryEngineeringServices)isknownas
MoneyEatingServicelol.Anyway,letmeshareonethatwasparticularlycrazy
Severalyearsago(probablyadecade),mydadwasaskedtolookintoalossofequipment
thathappenedataportinGujarat.Actuallytherewasashipmentbeingbroughtinbythe
NavyitselffromGermany.Eventhoughthedetailsoftheshipmentsareofficiallyclassified,
itwaswellknownthroughadifferentpapertrailthattheywerecarryingsomeengine
componentsfornavalshipsmanufacturedandboughtfromaGermancompany.
Anyway,thecaptain(orwhoeverwastherankingofficeroftheshipwhichwasbringing
theequipmentin)reportedthattheshiphadsomedifficultyinastormandthe
shipmentgotincontactwithseawaterandwasdamaged.Further,afteracoupleofdays
hesoldthedamagedshipmentforscrap.Clearlyhecouldnothavebeenabletoget
permissionforsellingit(thattooinscrapvalue)allbyhimself.Prettybigplayershadtobe
involved.
Imaginemydadbeingtaskedwithevaluatingthisclusterfuck.Hedidntliketheproject
becausemybrotherwasyoungbackthenandhedidntwanttobeinGujaratforweeks
altogetherwhilemymumwouldhavetostrugglealoneathomewithmeandmybro(She
workstoo,soitisnteasy).
Somydaddidsomethingfarsimplerhesimplycontactedthemeteorologicaldept.ofthe
portcityandaskedthemifinfacttherewasastormneartheportonthedaythe
shipmentwasarriving.Clearweatherwastheanswer.Thatwasit.Mydadsjobwasover.
Hewasabletotransferthecasetothepeoplewhoactuallydotheinvestigationinsuch
matters.
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LakshyaTyagi,Faujibratandmilitarygeek.
WrittenOct4,2015
Corruption,wellitdependsonwhatyoumeanbycorruption.Stealingmoney?Theway
politiciansdoit?Wellthemechanismsinthearmydonotallowyoutoengageinsuchacts
,you'llalmostalwaysgetcaught.
1.Misuseofthepowertokill:Yes,Ibelievethiscanbeconsideredascorruptiontoo.
Forthesoldierswhoharassedand/orkilledinnocentciviliansdestroyedtheintegrityof
theirchainofcommands,theydivertedfromthepathourconstitutionprovidesand
forgotthemostbasichumantrait,humanity.Thesecasesthougharerarenow.When
theIndianarmybegancarryingoutCOIN(counterinsurgency)operationsinJ&Kand
EastIndia,itwaswell,inexperienced.Toexchangefirewithhardcoreterroristsinareas
fullofinnocentpeoplewasadifficultthingtodo.Butnowcollateraldamageisrare.The
soldierswilldieprotectingthelivesofstupidcivilianswhocomerunningtowardsthemin
afirefight.Thosewhointhepastdefieddirectordersandwentontocommitcrimesare
beingpunishedaccordingly.
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2.InternalPolitics:Corruptionisbasicallytheabuseofpowerforpersonalgain.I
believethissubtopicdoescomeinthiscategory.Therearecaseswherepeopleresponsible
forpromotingofficersacceptedbriberyorgavefavorstosomenondeservingorinfluential
officers.Theactof'sifarish'whethercasualornot,isstillrampantalloverthe
organization.Andthereforeimpressingthesuperiorrankoftenbecomesamust,foryour
meritsholdlittlevalue.Andsoyoumustattendpartiesthatyouhavenointerestin,in
orderforyoursuperiortonoticeyou.Youmustlaughandsmile,youmustacceptthings
youdisagreewith.Somepeoplecrosstheline.Theyreallydo.Andbecauseofthemthe
wholearmysuffers.
Sothesearesomethingsthatmatter.Imightreceivesomehostileresponses,maybe.But
ifyou'veexperiencedlifeinthearmyyouprobablyknowthatwhatI'vewrittenisverytrue.
Thesefewnarrowmindedand/orcorruptmenwhoengageinactivitiesnotemulatingthe
statusoftheiruniformactlikeavirusinfectingourorganization.Ifanybodystillserving
readsthis,it'stimesomethingschange.
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SumanJMalekani,Borntoasoldier,bornwithasoldier,failedtobeone
butlivelikesoldier!
UpdatedAug5
OriginallyAnswered:IstheIndianarmyfreefromcorruption?
Edit:Peoplecallingmedelusional&foolpleasebothertoreadthecompleteanswer!
TheSoldiersoftheIndianarmyfromthechiefofArmystafftoanewrecruitare
absolutelyfree&billionsoflightyearsawayfromcorruption.
AlsoonlyaselflesspersonwillhavethecouragetojointheIndianarmyingiven
circumstances.
Theyneverintheirwildestdreamswilltrytosabotagethecountry'ssecurity
oritsreputation.
Edit1Ifatalltherearesomeexceptionalofficialsinvolvedinmaterialisticcorruption,
theywouldalsonevereverdoanythingatalltosabotagethecountry'ssecurityorits
reputation&ffoundguiltythey'llbeacteduponasapunlikeotherorganisationsinthe
country.
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ShashankGangil,Engineer,Blogger,Traveler,Wildlifer,Naturalist...
WrittenJul12
NoserviceinIndiaisfreeofcorruption.AndwhenyouareaspowerfulasDefenceforces,
corruptionisinevitable.IoncelivedaroundKanhatigerreserve.WhatIgottoknowfrom
thelocalsthatArmyofficersfromjabalpurfrequentlycometobufferforestofKanhaand
otherreservedforesttohuntwildanimals.Asweallknow,huntingisstrictlyforbiddenin
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SuchakPatel
WrittenJul12
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YourNationalismmayarouseandYoumayportraymeasAntinationalbutitstruethat
CorruptionisPrevailintheArmyandotherdefenseforceaswell.(Onlyatupperrank).
MillionsoftheMoneyTakenbytheTopbrassofficersofthearmyandotherwingsforthe
Armscontracts.InfactJudiciaryisalsocorruptaswell.
WearelessawareaboutcorruptionofarmforcesandJudiciarycause>>
Corruption=(Discretion+Monopoly)(Accountability+Transparency)
1.Discretion:MostofthedecisiontakenbytheFewinbothArmyandJudiciary(
Collegiumof5person)
2.Accountability:MPsareAnswerabletoPeople,Ministeraretotheparliamentbut
ArmyandJudgesareanswerabletonone.(JustGooglewheretheInvestigationof
Airbaseofpathankotreach)
3.EvenMostoftheAreaofBusinessofArmyandCourtsareoutoftheAmbitofRTI.
4.Transparency:DuetoThenatureofthework,MostofWorkofarmforcesinSecrecy
(whichiswellneed)butbytakingadvantageofthatmanywrongthingscarryout.
SameinCaseofJudiciaryNooneknowonwhichbasestheJudgesoftheSCand
HCappointed.
(KeepinMindTheseallthingsONLYandONLYabouttheToplevel,Otherwisethe
Lowerlevelofficersarearmyandotherforcesareveryveryhonest)
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PrabhaMohanMBaliga
WrittenJan26,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IsthereanycorruptionorinternalpoliticsinIndianArmy,AirForceorNavy?
Itwouldbewrongtosay'no'.But,definitelythequantumismuchlesserthaninother
governmentoffices.
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Anonymous
UpdatedJul26
SothequestioniswhetherthereiscorruptioninArmyornot.AndansisYESthereis
corruptioninarmy.
Sothenextquestioniswhythenitnevercomesoutinpublicasgenerallyasit
comesinothercases.
Andtheanswerofthatwouldbebecausethereisdisciplineinthearmy.Youjustcant
haveabribewithoutequallysharingtheamountwithyourotherofficers.Notasingle
personisleft.
Anarmymanisnotsomespeciallycreatedcreature.Hetoocomesfromthesamesociety
butthethingthatdifferentiatehimwithciviliansisthathewillneverplaywithlivesof
otherpeoplebecauseheknowsitsworthmorethananyone..ForInstancePWDEngineers
takingbribeforconstructionofbridgeswithbadmaterial.WhileArmypeoplewillneverdo
thattheymaydocorruptionbyvaryingthePricesofequipment'sorwilltakebribefroman
armsbidder.
Nowcomingtothemainpointwhyweignoresomeoftheirmisdeedsasquotedbymany
quorans.Theanswerisbecausetheyarejustmarvelouswiththeirjob.Iwillputone
Exampleforthereaders.
ThisisthestateofroadsafteroneraininIndia.AndwhenthePWDofficerisaskedabout
thishewillcomeupwithalameexcuseofcursingHeavyvehiclesforthesituation.
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NowthisistheroadthatisunderthearmyObservation.Doyouobservethechange???
MyfatheralwayssaysthatintheCivilonlywaytorepairapotholeistoletthe
roaddisappearwhileintheArmytheonlywaytorepairapotholeistomake
thewholedamnroadagain.
AndIcanassureyouthatnovehicleisasheavyasACasspirorKrAZ6322
IwillupdatetheanswerasandwhenIgetthechance.SinceIcantposteverythingrelated
toarmy.JaiHind
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ShreehariRbhat,MajorsinPoliticalscience,PostgraduateinPublic
Administration
WrittenJul7
Tosaythereisnocorruptionisagreatestdisservicetothosewhohavesacrificedtheir
services/probablylife(murkierdeaths).Themajorportionisincorruptibleanddedicated,
however,therearesomewhoshouldntbetherebutarethere.Asthereareblacksheepsin
anyorganisation,therearefewintheseinstitutionstoo.However,attimestheeffectsareof
farmoregreatervalues.ForEx:ASChadprocuredkesardalinsteadoftoordalandfedit
toentirenortherncommand,themostcrucialcommandofall.LowqualityTentswere
procuredforhighaltitudeservingpersonnel.Incompetentbrigadierswerepromotedas
Maj.Gens.Lowqualityrationisstillbeingserved.VisitanyarmywetcanteensforORs,
onewillbesurprisedbythequalityofrice&dal.
Justnottomentionthefewbiggerblacksheeps,whoshouldhavebeenoutrightly
terminatedbutserveduetopoliticalpatronage.
Scamsthatrockeddefenceministrysince2007
AFTsetsasideLtGenspromotionfromBrigtoMajGen
Thesearejustafewandtherearemanyoutinopenandinclose.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul25
ArmyIdontknow.ButBSFpersonnel,especiallythosewhomanourEasternborders
wellmanyofthemarecorrupt(AndIwontsaymostbecauseIhavevisitedonlya
particularportionoftheseborders.Peoplehavetalkedabouthowcorruptionhascrept
intotheupperlayersofourArmedforces.WellwiththeBSF,myexperiencehasbeen
notsogood.
IhaveasareechainthatisindigenoustoWestBengal.Nowmanyofmyworkerslivein
distantvillagesintheNorth24parganas(oneofthemanydistrictsneartheBangladesh
border).TheworkersareprimarilyHindus,andhavebeenlivingintheseareassinceages.
HavingsaidthatthereareMuslimsaswell,whohavebeenlivingalongsidethemformany
decades.
Allofyouwouldprobablyknowabouttheproblemofproblemofillegalimmigrationfrom
Bangladesh.IhadgoneforthedaughtersmarriageofoneofmyworkersinBonga
Angrailarea.TheareaissoclosetotheborderthatyoucanactuallyseeBangladeshiferry
ghatsoperatingintheotherside.DuringDurgaPujavisarjanstheclutteroftheotherside
reachesthissideandviceversa.
However,atnight,theareaturnsintoaheavenforsmugglers.Interestinglyenough,they
smuggleeverythingcoins,metals,cattle,crops,evenpeople.Thestandardratesare
cheaperthanareturnairfarefromKolkatatoMumbai.Themoneyisdividedinto3parts
1partforthemiddlemenonbothsides,1partforthelocalPanchayatpradhansonboth
sides,andthelastpartfortheBSFpersonnelondutyforthatdayonthisside(andBDR
fortheotherside).ThelocalpoliceisgiventhemoneyfromthePanchayatpeople.
HowDoIKnowAllThese?
Theanswertothisquestionisevenmoredangerous.Theareathatamtalkingabouthas
probably3villageslinedalongtheborder.Letusconsidereachofthesevillageshaveat
least20households,eachhavingatleast1workingageindividual.Allthesehousesactas
themiddlemeninthetransaction.SupposePersonA,fromHouse1,getsintouchwithhis
Bangladeshicounterpart.Thedayhisbangladeshicounterparthas7thingstosmuggle,
including2people,hecontactspersonA.Hekeepsupallnight,contactslocalpolicemen,
panchayatofficials,andnearestBSFcamps,andmakesthetransactionflawless.Hegets
hisshareattachedwiththegoodsfromhisbangladeshicounterpartattheendofit.
IdontexpecttheWestBengalgovernmenttoacttough(wellinher2ndterm,Ms.
Banerjeeseemstohavefinallylearntherlessons,asonlylastweekawholegangof
middlemen,andtransporterswerenabbedfromthesamearea,andinretaliationoneof
herprominentministerswasattacked).Thesameismyexpectationfromthepolice.ButI
couldntbelievetheBSFpersonneluntilIsawwithmyowneyes.
WhatdidIsee?
Time12:45am:Winternight,soanyonewouldexpecttotalsilenceanddarknessinsuch
farflungvillages,butthescenewastotallyopposite.Therewerelights,sound,commotion
allaroundtherivercrossing.Ferriesofcows,crops,etcwerebeingloadedontheIndian
side.ThetwoBSFpatrolersofthatareawerestandingjustfewmetersfromthespot,
lookinginanotherdirection.Thepolicewereinsimilarposture.Goodswerebroughtinto
thisside,loadedfromthisside,andloadedbackontheferries.
Interestinglyenough,afterwatchingforaround15minutes,whenItriedtoclickapicture,
Iwasconfrontedbyapoliceman.WhenhecouldntlogcallyexplaintomewhyshouldI
keepmycamerabackinthejacket,hesignaledtooneoftheBSFpatrollersstanding,and
heshowedmehisuniform.Thepolice,inthemeantimetookmycamera.Ihaventgotit
backeventoday.Iwastoldtoleavethespot,andthatArkokhonoedikedekhlekhuje
paoajabena(IfIamseenagaininthearea,Iwoulddisappear).
WhatdidIlearn?
Oneofmyworkerscooklivedinthevillage.WhenIaskedhernextdayshewashonest.
Shetoldmethattheyfacethissituationeverynight,exceptforwhensomeBSFofficial
comestovisittheplace.Theircropsaretaken,theircattletakentoBangladesh.Shesaid
thatpeopleinfiltrationdoesnthappenthatmuchnowadays,buttheplightofthese
peoplecannotbeseen.Theycannotevencomplaintothepolice.Iftheycomplainthey
disappearoutright.TheBSFpaysnoheedtothem.TheBSFpatrollers,theysay,gettheir
shareafteralltransactionsaremade,andtheygetitfromallthemiddlemeninthearea.
Theresawellknitcoordinationbetweenalltheparties.Soifeitherofthepartiesinvolved
arethreatened,allofthemthinkofmethodstoremovethatdiscomfort.Thesmuggling
racketalongthisborderishuge,anditisdangerousbecauseofthecorruptionamongall
membersofitssecuritythelocalpoliticalleaders,thepolice,theBSFallofthem.
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Conclusion:
IamnotoneofthosepeoplewhomakesweepinggeneralizationslikeThewholeBSFis
bad,butthishasbeenmyexperience.
Myhypothesisis,Bangladeshborder,unlikePakistan,isstillnotconsideredabigthreatto
ournationalsecurity.Hencethereisasenseofchaltahai,amongtheBSFpersonnel
manningthearea.Theimportanceofthisbordertoournationalsecurityhastobestressed
againandagain.Borderelectrificationprogramneedstobecarriedoutforthisborderas
well.
Alargepartofthisborderisontheriver,ascanbeseenfromthemap.
ImtalkingabouttheregionIveencircled.TheBSFdoesntevenhaveproperadequate
speedboatstopatroltheseareasproperly.
BecauseofallthesereasonsIbelievethatthereisatendencyofnottakingtheIndoBan
borderseriously.Andthatiswhathasbroughtinthismuchcorruptioninthesystem,even
BSFsystem,overthere.
RepliestoComments:
SimpVenkatesh:AlltheBengalinewschannelshaveshownseveralsuchstories,covert
operationsatsomepointintime.Tobefair,inthelast1month,therehasbeenseveral
arrestsmadebythestateCBI.Buttheoveralloutlookfortheborderneedstobechanged.
Personally,mealongwithtwomorefriends,havesubmittedcomplaintsthroughour
contactsinKP.
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Anonymous
WrittenSep11,2015
BigquestionisDotheyhaveoptions?ofbeingcorrupt!
Mostofarmypersonnelarenotinvolvedinanyfinancialtransactionwithexternal
agencies.Inanyunitwith10000personnelonly1015wouldhaveanysayinanykindof
transactionandtheywillbeamongtopbrassofthatunitsonoquestionsaskedbyothers.
WhatkindoftransactionFood/Grocery
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Stationary
Civilworkandsupplies(roads,buildings,cement,sanitary
waresetc.)
Scrap(Bigverybigmoneyinvolved,elaboratedbelow)
Uniforms,smallequipment's,Shoes,Bags,evenmosquitonets.
(mostlyprocuredfromoutsidevendors)
Transfersofstaff(orofficer)toahightransactionlocation
(Purchase)
andthisisjustasmallportion.Thinkof1.3millionarmedforceandresourcesrequired.
Sohowthingsgo.Iwouldtakeexampleofscrap.Armedforcesmostvaluablescrapis
shells.Brassandothermetals.Thinkofsituationwherethereisnorisktonationalsecurity
(Sureinthiscase),Bigmoneyisinvolved(suretoo),andtherewillbebusinessmanwho
canoffergifts(thisisalsosure).
NowitdependsonA.Thepersonmakingdecision(Topbrass)
B.Thereisnootheroptionverticallineofcommand.
Icantbemoredirectthanthis.Youcanthinkwithsimilarlogictoalltransactions
mentionedaboveandnotmentioned.
IknowofsituationwhereContractorbuiltroadeveryyear/alternateyearandyoucan'd
rideamotorcycleafter6monthsonthatroad.Wheredidthemoneygo?
Butonethingissuremorethan99%don'thaveasayandsoarenotcorrupt
bypractice,andremaining%mayhavesayandchoicestomake.Moneyisa
powerfulforce.
OurownministerofstateHon'Gen.V.K.Singhhavesaidoncepeoplehadtaken
moneybeforemeandtheywilltakemoneyafterme".
(Corruptioninarmedforces:Howextensiveistherot?Firstpost )
Someotherveryinterestingreadings
"Armyhasalreadyrejectedthesebootssince2005however,inlastthreeyearourArmy
headquartershasfailedinchangingthesebootsandprovidingmoreimprovedversionof
bootstooursoldiers.Armyisstillgivingtheordertosamefirmdespiteitisprovidingfaulty
bootstoarmyagainandagain.ThisCAGreporthasalsoblamedthiscorruptionforthe
deathof328armysoldiersinSiachen."(AsperCAGReport)
"fewtopofficialsinarmyarebetrayingoursoldiersdefendingnationsfrontiers"
IncreasingrateofcorruptioninIndiaArmy
TherealproblemCorruptonesareleaders.Theywillbeleadingthearmypersonnel.
Howeverhonestthejuniorsareifleaderiscorruptwholeteam/unit/regiment/brigadewill
workinthedirectiongivenbyleaderonly.Withoutquestionsasked.Thatisthemotto.First
thingtaughttothem.
Itislikeastraightarrowwithbenthead.Nofaultofbodybuttargetismissedbecauseof
head.
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SaurabhRai,PublicServant
UpdatedNov5
IamacivilservantindefenceandhavingworkedwiththearmedforcesIcanassureyou
thatmilitarypersonnelareascorrupt,ifnotmorethantheirciviliancounterparts(armed
personneldon'tfallfromheaventheycomefromthesamesocietywhichproduces
Satyam'sRajuorSureshKalmadiorA.Raja).Infactbeingoutofpublicgaze,mostofthe
corruptionnevergetshighlightedinthemedia.Ontheotherhand,civilservants(eg.state
adminstration,policeetc.)dealwithpublicdayinanddayoutthismakescorruptionin
civilinstitutionsmorevisible.Idon'twanttogointospecificsbutwouldonlyopinethat
because'AamAadmi'andmediaiskeptawayfrommilitaryestablishments(for
security/strategicreasons),corruptactivitiesstaywithinthe"firewalls"ofmilitary
cantonements.
Ihavenointentiontodiscredittheroleofmilitaryinsecuringournationfromoutside
threats(theirdisciplineandprofessionalismisworthmentioning)butIalsowantbring
balancetoageneralopinionthat"Civilians/Politiciansarecorruptwhilethemilitaryis
devoidofit".Weneedtobeascriticalofthemilitaryasweareofcivilestablishments(But
canwe?Canweaffordresentmentinmilitary?).
(Allviewsexpressedabovearepersonalandhavenoconnectionwiththoseofthe
Governmentoritspolicy)
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TashiMishra,DiltohFaujihaijee)
WrittenNov23,2013
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
Theyarenotcorrupt,don'tblamethewholeinstitutionforamistakeofoneortwoperson,
nobodyhastherighttodefametheorganisationwhoseverybravesoldiershaveleftno
stoneunturnedtoprotectthecountryevenonthecostoftheirownlives.
Theproblemofcorruptionliesateverylevel,ateverypointinIndia,mostlybecauseofthe
politician,evenhepeopleofarmedforceswhohavebeencaughtintothecasesof
corruptionhavelandedtherebecauseofthepoliticianswhohaveequalroleinthescams
relatedtoforce.
Secondly,ArmedForcesbeingthemostprestigiousinstitutionfacealotofcriticismif
fewestoftheirmemberarecaughtanywhere,thisisbecausetheyareclean,andwhen
somethingisverycleanevenaslightstainisvisibleverydistinctly.
SoNobodyhastherighttodefameawholeinstitutionononeortwocharges,instead
questionthemoralofthepersonwhogotinvolvedinthatact.
JaiHind!
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PiyushBhandari
WrittenJul8
IwontjustsingleoutArmyiwouldrathertalkaboutallthedefenceforces.
AndanswerisYesthereiscorruptioninourdefenceforcesanditistherefromtiptotoe,
fromrecruitmenttopromotionstoAcquisitionsandsoon.
Manyoftheanswerhereseemtobefromhardcorearmyfanswhoaresomesmerizedby
thedifficultyourarmymenfacethattheyarewillingtooverlookthehugecorruptionthat
plaguestheorganisation,andironyisthatitsbecauseofthesamecorruptionthatourmen
facethosedifficultiesinthefirstplace.
BiggestcorruptionthattakesplaceinourDefenceforcesisintheacquisition.Officers
connivingwithbureaucratsandpoliticianshaveplayedanimportantroleinkillingthe
indeginizationofourforcestoagreatextent.ThatshowMarutprojectwaskilledand
ArjuntankisprettymuchseemtobegoingthatwayandTejaswouldalsohavebeendead
hadParrikarnotintervenedintime.
Ihavealreadywrittenindetail,aboutafewinstanceswherecorruptionactuallytookplace
in:PiyushBhandari'sanswertoAreIndiansblindtocorruptionintheArmedForces?and
Iamsureitisjustthetipoftheiceberg.
ThefirstthingthatmodisaidtoParrikarafterhebecameDefenceministerwasthat
Thereisahugecorruptioninacquisitionpleaselookintoit.
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Anonymous
UpdatedOct21
IwasinAssam.AtaplacewhereArmiesandCRPFjawansusetopatrol.Oncemeandmy
friend(thenwewereonly14yearold)weregoingtoaplaceandmyfriendwasridingthe
scooty.WereachedaTrafficpostwhereArmieswerecheckingthevehicles.Atourturn,
theyaskedforlicensewhichobviouslywekidswerenothaving.MyfriendpassedRs.100
notetohimandsaiduncleitnahihai(Wehavethatmuchonly.)Andthenmyfriend
receivedatightslapandthesoundofthatslapmademesohorrifiedthatmyhands
automaticallyfolded:pandIstartedbeggingformercy.Thenanotherofficercameand
bothofthemseizedourscooty,tookustothesideoftheroadandaskedforourparents
number.Weapologizedalotandafter15minsoflongconvincing,withtearsineyes,
sayingSirparentsbohtmarenge,humzindagimeikabhiscootynaichalayenge(Sir
parentswillbeatusiftheywillcometoknow,wewillneverridescootyinourlife).
Thenthejawanaskedustokneeldown10timesasapunishmentandletusgobacktothe
wayfromwherewewerecoming.:pdontwanttoshowmyfacesoanonymous:D
EDIT:AssomepeoplescommentedthatArmiesandCRPFshasnopowerto
checklicense.No,maybeinMainlandIndiamostofthepeopleneverlivedin
hostileareasthatarepronetomilitantattacks.ArmiesandCRPFshaveall
therightswhenstateshomeministryassignsthemthesecuritychargeofany
particulararea.Andtheyareonlydeployedduringbandhswhicharemostly
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declaredbylocalmilitantorganisationsuchasULFA.Theyaredeployedat
NHandpossibleentrypointsandtheydohavetherighttoverifysomeones
identityandaskthepurposeofroaminghereandthereduringbandhs.And
notonlyonNH,theyalsopatrolincivilianareabuttheydontdoanything
there.
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SyenaSamdrs,Iworkhere.
UpdatedJul5
Corruptionisnotasrampantandopenasotherciviliandepartmentsbutitalsoexists
here.BeinganArmyofficer'ssonmyselfandrelatedwithMOD,IcansaythatArmyisnot
whatitusedtobe.Let'snotglorifyit.Thereisalotofrotinsidethissystem.Inlast20years
foreverydefencedealhugemoneyhavebeenpaidbydefencebrokerstoArmyofficersto
clearthosedeal.FromscaminrationtoscaminCSDtoscaminpurchasingweaponsto
sellingArmylandtoprivatebuildersitisaffectingArmyeverywhere.Iwillnotdelvedeeper
intothesecorruptionaspectsasIdon'twanttobreakthissacredimage.Andthereisone
popularsayinginArmythatitisveryrareforanhonestofficertobecomeitsGeneral.Lots
ofmoneyexchangehandsandhonestonewillsuffer.AndatlastIwillsayaroundfifty
percentofficersandpersonnelbelowofficerranksarehonestandrestalwaysareonlook
outforsomeavenuesofcorruption.
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DheerajKumar,ArmedForcesEnthusiast
WrittenAug1
InteractwithcandidateswhohavebeenjustrecommendedbySSBorcandidatesseriously
preparingforDefenceforcesinafriendlymanner.Ifyouarebelow24yearsthenattend1
2SSBsandyouwillgettoknowthekindofpeople/talentthatarejoiningdefenceforces
andgivenachancehowmuchsusceptibletocorruptiontheyare.
Dontgetmisguidedbythewrongperceptionofmasses.
Anyorganizationnomatterhowwelldesignedisonlyasgoodasitspeople.
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SurajSolunke
WrittenJul10
WhenIusedtobekid,IusedtobelikeArmymenarethemostpatrioticandloyalpeople.
ButlaterImetfewpeople,myfriend'sfatherisathighpostinarmy.Currentlyretired.I
personallybelievethatallarmymenarepatrioticandareveryloyal.Iknowtheysacrifice
somuchforus.Eventheirlives.ButIhavebeentoldbelowthingsbymyfriendsandtheir
fathersometimes.Obviouslytheywerequiteupsetwhilesayingthis,buttheytoldme
unfortunatelyevenfewarmymenarecorrupt.
NowsorryIcan'tbedirect.ButIwouldleavethethinkingpartuptoyou.
1.Justcosideranynormalexamandtestsheldforentrylevelposts.Usuallyvacancieslike
200andcandidatesupto20000.Physicalexamisclearedbyalmostall,butwritingskills.I
amnotsaying,buttheysaytoclearwritingexam,youneedtobribe.
2.Evernoticedthenumbersofbulletsandammunitionusedintraining?Andnowhow
aboutaskingthetraineeifthatmuchammunitionwasactuallyused?Whereistheleft
overwhichwasnotusedintrainingbutareonpapers.Hmmm.Think!
3.Manypeopledon'tknowthis,butcolonelandmajoraregivenguardswhichthese
seniorsuseforgardeningtheirgarden,takingcareofpet,cleaninghouse,sometimeseven
food.Itsnotbribe.Butnotagoodthingeither.
4.Promotions.Interestingpart.Whatifweaskfortheinformationaboutwhyonewas
promoted?Mostcommonanswerofcoursenotpublicly.'Shifaras'
AgainIrepeatitsnotallarmymen.AndIpersonallyevenhatetothinkthatarmymen
canbebribed.
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VikramKarve,CreativeWriter,Blogger,NavyVeteran
WrittenJan28,2014
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OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
99%ofthearmedforcesarehonestandpatriotic.Itisonlyafewbadeggswhoget
involvedinscamsthattarnishtheimageoftheentireservice.
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KabilanKumar,Humanscanbeflexibletothepointofcontradiction.Ifind
thatamusing.
WrittenJul9
IfyouareanationalistwhobelievesIndiaexistsbetweenMumbai,Bangaloreand
Chennai,thisanswermightnotsuityou.Inthiscase,pleaserefrainfromparticipatingin
thisanswerthread.
Armiesareasourceofnationalprideforbothastableandunstablecountry.The
headaches,withregardstotheArmysactions,arebornebythepoliticalestablishmentof
unstablecountriesexclusively.Nehruhatedthearmy,andoncestatedthatthepoliceforce
willtakecareofthenationssecurity.Thedamagefromthatwayofthinkinghasnotbeen
completelyeliminated.
Tojumptothepoint,
TheIndianArmyisa3rdworldarmy,commandedbypeopleofagenerationwhich
believedinIndianinferioritytoamuchgreaterextentthaniscurrentlyinternalisedbythe
newgenerationIndian.TheseideasaboutIndiansuperpowerisdamnnew.10yearsago,
onlyeditorsofmagazineswhowishedtobetreatedasanequaltohiscounterpartat,say,
theNYTimeshadthesethoughtsrunningthroughtheirheads.Thisbecomesrelevantto
thequestionbecausethemilitaryhasnotchangedtoomuchsincethattime,whilethe
demandsofsuperpowerstatus(currentlycaptivatingtheimaginationofmanyIndians)
requiresafundamentalrethinkoftheverynatureofthearmy.
HerearesomeissuesthatirkmeabouttheArmedForcesthatIviewascorruptionasit
preventsthesmoothoperationoftheAFatmaximumpotential.
1.Thecolonialoverhang:Everwatchedadocumentaryorreaddocumentsofan
Americanwarship?Thecaptainisrespectedbecauseofhisexperienceandaneedto
maintainorder,notfearedbecauseofhispost.TheIndianArmedForces,after7
decadesofindependence,stilloperatesundercolonialideas.Ahighpositionofficerin
thearmedforcesthinksofhimself(orherself)asawhitemanreincarnate.The
servitudedemandedofsubordinatesismindblowing.Inthisage,wherepeopleare
expectedtolistentopersonshalftheirage,suchmisplacedideashurttheoperational
capacityofaninstitution.EvenduringtheIndoChinawar,therewasaclearamount
ofbrillianceexudedbytheofficers/menontheground,whileofficersabovedestroyed
anychanceofvictory.Ifyouvevisitedofficermilitaryquarters,guesswhocleansthe
housesoftheofficersASepoyisexpectedtocleanhisofficershouseanddefendthe
country?Atwhichshouldheexcel?
2.Weaponry:WhentheAmericanscrushedtheIraqisduringtheKuwaitwar,theworld
watchedinsheerhorrorandamazement.20yearsago,simpleVietnamesefarmers
haddrivenouttheAmericans.ThewaytheAmericansconductedthe(Kuwait)war
waslikeablitzkriegcoupledwiththeabilitytoholdsupplyroutesdeepinsideenemy
territory.Thatwastheearliestglimpseof21stcenturyweapons.TheIndianArmed
forcesareinfamousforusingoutdatedweaponstofight.TheChinesewereusing
AutomaticswhileIndiansrepliedwithWW1Enfieldrifles.Wearesofarbehindthe
othersforoneseventhofhumanity,itsappalling.Simplygothroughthelistof
ChineseweaponsvsIndianweaponstodaythegapisenormous.Despitehavinga
hugeborderandtraditionallyneverbeingaseapower,theChinesehavesomany
moreshipsthanIndiadoes,aswellassuperiortechnology,andwevenotevenstarted
aconversationaboutmissiletechnologyandthelikes.IndiasmilitaryIndustrial
complexisababy,whosedeadoldersiblingsweremurderedorbornsickly.
3.Elitism:YoucannotdenythatIndiaasanationisveryElitist.Thedistancebetween
therichestandthepoorestcannotbeovercomebythepoorinmultiplelifetimesuntil
somethingseriouslychangesinthecountry.Toreferencetotheanswer:Ivewatched
andfollowedmanyexercisestheAFparticipated/hosted.TheIndiansweredoing
fine,evenbetterthantheChineseonmanyexercises.Thebodylanguagewaspositive
andtheweaponswereverygood.ThenIcameacross2instancesofAmericans
discussingtheirexperiencetrainingwithIndianAFthatIsimplycouldnotcastoff.
Thefirst,wasaAmericansoldiertalkingabouthowmuchhelearntfromtheIndians
hestatedsomethingtotheeffecttheseguyswith20yearsexperienceinjumpingoff
planeshavealottooffer.WeweresendingveteranstoexerciseswhiletheAmericans
weresendinggreenboysintheir20s.Thesecondinstanceisthemuchtalkedabout
CopeIndiawheretheIAFdefeatedtheUSAFinamockfight.Sure,theymighthave.
But,hereisavideoofanAmericangeneraltalkingaboutit,andremember,the
Indianswereontheirownturf.Ifhalfofwhatheclaimsistrue,nousebeatingthe
drumsonthatone.Eventhere,theIndianswereusingtheirbestagainstausualset
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ofAmericanpilots.SavingfaceismoreimportantthanlearningsaideveryIndian
ever.
4.MonetaryCorruption:Corruptionisaveryhardproblemtofight.Itsnotjusttop
bottom(asinadictatorship)orbottomtop,therehastoberesonanceacrossthe
systemtomakeitstop.ThearmedforcesisstillinIndiaandrunbyIndians,and
hencewillbecorrupt.HowmanyIndiankidswouldobjecttobribingtheTTforaseat
onatrain?Whywouldhesuddenlychangeinthemilitary?Corruptionbreeds
distrust.Howdoyoutrustyourhigherupsiftheytradeyourwinterbootsforacosy
officechair?
5.Recruits:Toend,IndianArmyhasbeengetting2ndraterecruitssincecorporate
IndiaopeneduptheAFcareerisnotquiteenchantinganymoreandthatwillhave
longtermconsequences.
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AnirudhGalagali
WrittenJul21
Corruptioninthearmedforcesgenerallydoesnotaffectthecommonman.That'sthe
reasonwhytheimageofthearmyisthatofanincorruptibleinstitution.
Onasmallerlevel,corruptionintheforcesoccuratthecanteen,whereservicemencan
availgoodsatasubsidizedprice.Everyitemoneneedsinthoseandmoreisavailable
there.Therehavebeeninstancesofpilferageofgoodsorservicemenbuyingandthen
sellingitemsfromthecanteenfora"cut".
Alotofmoneyisatstakeduringacquisitionsofdefenceequipment.Manyofficersin
chargeofacquisitionsandfieldtrialshavebenefittedfinanciallyandotherwise.e.g.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c...
Therehavealsobeencasesofstagedencountersforgallantryandmonetaryawards.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nat...
Thedefencepersonnelaredrawnfromthesamepopulationastheotherservicesandare
ethicallynobetterorworsethanthegeneralpopulation.
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ShubhangiGarg,Dreamer
WrittenJul22
IthinkIcanwriteanswerofthisquestion.Around18yearsback,wehadafamilyasour
tenantsinourhouse.FamilyhadHusband,wifeandtheirfoursmallkids.
HusbandwasworkinginIndianarmyandpostedonborder.Idon'trememberhis
designationornamenow.Ithinkhisjobhassomethingtodowithcheckingofgoods
whichareexportedorimported.Husbandrarelycomehome.Hisofficialsalarywasnot
thatgreat.
Nowcometotheirfinancialsituation:theyweredoingprettygoodfinancially.ButIguess
theyrecentlybecomerichotherwisewhytheywouldhavestayedastenantsandtheyeven
lefttheironeofkidtowife'smotherhomebecausetheywerenotabletoaffordeducation
offourkids.Whentheyshiftedtoourhousethentheygottheirkidbackfromhergranny's
place.Hiswifewascompletelyilliterateandoftenflauntabouttheirfinancialstatus.Once
wewenttotheirroomforcollectingmoney,wesawshekeptmoneyinkitchen(insidethe
containerwhichhadwheatflour).
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Irememberonemoreincident,shewentmarketwithusandshesawagoldnecklace
worthrs50K.Sheinstantlyboughtwithoutgivingsecondthought.
Theirkidshadhabitofstealingthings.Buttheirparentsneverscoldthem.Infacttheyscold
thepersonwhocomplain.
Onedayhiswifecametoourhouseandcryinglytoldthatincometaxofficersarecoming
toherplacetoraid.Sheaskedustohidetheirmoneyinourhouseforwhichwedenied.
Latershehidthatmoneytoherfamilyfriend.
After2years,theyboughtabighouseinJaipurandpermanentlyshiftedtothere.Since
thenwehadnotouchwiththem.So Idon'tknowwhetherhegotcaught.Ican'ttell
aboutcurrentsituationofcorruptioninarmy,butyes,thatwaspresenttherefewyears
back.
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SurajNayak,LivedMyWholeSmallLifeSpanwithIndianArmy.
WrittenJul22
CorruptionisaVeryvastthingtosayordiscuss.BasicallyweMajorityIndianswhenhear
thewordCorruption,wethinkonlyaboutMoneyBribery.ButinrealityCorruptionisvery
vast.Insomepeople,corruptionofMindisalsopossibleorCorruptioninconscienceis
alsopresentorinsomesimpleMoneyHungercorruptionispresent.
InIndianArmy,HonestyistheBiggestthingthatisdemandedandwhichispermanently
putinsideallpersonals,beitOfficersornormalJawanswhiletheyareinTraining
Academies.DishonestyisneveracceptedandisunforgivableinIndianArmy.Butinrecent
times,thisHonestyfundaisbitalteredbySOMEArmyTopofficerswhobelievedinthe
saying,EarnasmuchExtraMoneyasyoucanbutWithoutsellingthecountry.
Soyoucansaysomeofficers(NotthelowerlevelsButtheupperones)areindulgedin
somewrongMoneymakinggameofCorruption,butstillYouwillneverhearanynewsof
SellingtheCountryToEnemy.NoArmypersonalwilleverthinkofsellinghis/her
mothernationtoenemyjustforsomemoney.Ifthiswouldhavebeentrue,thenNOwar
Prisonersof1965,1971and1999WarswouldhavebeentrappedinPakistanJails.They
wouldhaveeasilyletgothesecretsoftheircountriesandwouldhavesavedthemselvesby
gettinghandsomemoney.
Socomingbacktoyourinitialquestion,IstherecorruptionintheIndianArmy,
andtowhatextent?.
IfeelandwhatihaveseenwhilelivingmywholelifeinArmyCantonments,YES
CorruptionispresentinArmyButveryRarelylike0.5%1%oftotalpersonalarecorrupt.
AndTheyalsoareHonestCorruptwhowillNeversellthecountryorriskthenations
interestforsomeMoney.SoBeCalmAtYourHomeasIndianArmyisawake.
PS:IhaveUsedIndianArmywordinmyanswers,butimeantALLthesecuritypersonals
here.SoyoucanconsiderEveryonelikeBSF,CRPF,ITBP,ICGetchereinmyanswer.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul24
Goinganonymousbecauserepeatingthiswillputmeatriskoflosingmyjob.
InAugust2014,theIndianArmyconducteditsbiannualwrittentestforselectionof
civiliansandexservicemenforofficerscommissionintheTerritorialArmy.Appearingin
thistestwasthesonofDirectorGeneral(Recruitment).
Thisparticularcandidateclearedthewrittentest,(Ididnotgetachancetoviewhis
answerbook,soIcannotcommentonwhethertherewasanyfoulplaythere),andhisPIB,
whichforhimwasamereformality.
HewasscheduledtoappearforSSBinDecember2014withtherestofthecandidatesof
hisbatch.InsteadhewasdetailedtoappearasasinglecandidatebatchinMay2015,at
SSBcenter,Allahabad.Forpurposesofassessment(sincemarkingofacandidateisdone
relativetotheirbatchmates)hewasclubbedwithabatchofjawansappearingforthe
ACCentry,highlyirregularbecauseSSBbatchesaresupposedtoclubtogethercandidates
ofsimilarabilityandintelligencelevels.
Evenmoreirregularwasthaton8thofMay,orderswereissuedfromtherecruiting
directoratetoreducethecutoffforconsiderationofthecandidatefrom240to224,with
immediateeffect(whiletheDGssonwasstillundergoinghisassessment),forTA,JAGand
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AECentries.Therestofthiscandidatesoriginalbatchhadbeenevaluatedatadatumof
240inDecember2014.
Luckilyanupstandingofficerintouchwiththeproceedingscomplainedaboutthese
arbitrarychanges,whichwererevertedinJuly2015.Theofficialstatementissuedto
IndianExpress(theonlyplacethisnewswasreported,inasmallarticle),whichbrokethe
newsinFebruary2016,nearlyninemonthslater,wasthatthecandidateinquestionhad
beenevaluatedaccordingtotheregularnormsandnotthearbitrarilymodified
parameters.Theofficerwhomadethecomplaintcouldnotcommentbecausehewasstill
inuniform.
Noactions,officialorunofficialwastakenagainstanyoneforissuingthearbitrary
guidelinesortheirregularities.
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ManishYadav,Asoldierbyheart
WrittenSat
Youhaveagun,fewbullets.Onedayyoulostanutofyourgun.Whatcomesnextis
unimaginable.Hisweaponwillbedeposited.Hewillhavetogothroughanenquiry.There
havebeenincidentsofcurroptioninpastbutonceyouarecaught,yourlifewillnolonger
beyours.
Sonobodydaretodoit.Ibelongtoanareawherethereisatleastonefaujifromeach
house.Ihaven'tseenanyofthembeingrich.
Myanswerwouldbeno,orhardlyhappens
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VinayakNatu,PhysicsandMathnoviceofIQ130
WrittenJul12
Imagineabasketoffruits.Isitpossiblethatjustoneofthosefruitsisrotten,whiletherest
areallgood?Youknowtheanswerisno,right?Nowtellme,isitpossiblethatallfruits
exceptjustonearerotten?Certainlyno!Thesameapplieshere.
Thefruitbasketisthenation.Thefruitsareourgovernmentdepartmentsandthearmyis
oneofthefruits.99%ofthemaresurelyrottenandyouareaskingmewhetherthe
remaining1%isrottenornot.
Thereareplentyofanswersbelowwhichstaterealevidencesagainstthearmy,soIwont
repeatallthat.ButIllsureaddthatIhaveseentheirtruecolours.
CometoPune.Gototheseareas:PimpriChinchwad,DehuRoad,Punecamp,etc.Youll
seesomanyresidentialappartmentsconstructedinthosemillitarylands.Nowthese
constructionsare,nodoubt,illegal.Buthowaretheystillstandingunaffected,unlessthey
haveArmyofficialsintheirpockets?
Orgoontheborders.IhavepersonallyheardthatifanArmyofficialdiesinasimpleroad
acccident,themilitarydeclareshimmartyrandgivesisfamilyheaftycompensations.
Therearenodoubtalotofplaceswhereanarmymancouldmakemillionsviacorruption
buthestickstohonesty(andafewexcellentanswersonthatarearound).Thearmyisnot
ascorruptasotherdepartmentsofthegovernmentofIndia.Butitiscertainlynot100%
clean
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VarunVKhandare
UpdatedJun13
OriginallyAnswered:IstheIndianarmyfreefromcorruption?
SorrytobethebearerofthebadnewsherebutunfortunatelytheIndianArmyisnot
entirelycorruptionfree.Nosingleorganizationorestablishmentaroundtheworldeveris
soit'sjustamatterofacceptingrealityanddealingwithit.Alsoalotdependsonwhat
yourdefinitionofcorruptionis.Ican'tdivulgeanydetailsherebutthecorruptioncertainly
doesnotinterferewiththenation'ssecurity,thearmytakesthatveryseriously.Corruption
casesinotheraspectsoftheirfunctioninghavealreadybeenbroughtforwardbythemedia
timeandagainsowhydenyit.Howeverwhat'sreassuringisthatallourarmedforces
(army,navyandtheairforcetobeprecise)arecertainlytheleastcorruptorganizations
withintheIndianGovernmentsetup.Oneothergoodthingabouttheseforcesisthat
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anyonefoundinvolvedinanykindofcorruptionispromptlybroughtunderinvestigation
andthejusticeisswiftandtothepoint.
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RijutaGautam
WrittenJul4
Asanavaldaughter,letmeassureyouarmedforcespeopleareverybribable.Deepwithin
yourheartyouWANTtobribethembyinvitingthemtohomecookedmealsarounda
familydinnertablewhentheyarecadetsorunmarriedandwithnoaccesstogharka
khanaandtheystillmissthatfeelingoffamily.Thatdoesn'tresultinanyspecialprivileges
soI'mafraidit'saveryineffectivebribe.Trustme,ifallofIndiawereascleanheartedas
faujis,therewouldbenostoppingus.
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Anonymous
WrittenAug2
AnswerisIdontKnowanythingaboutcorruptioninIndianArmy.
ItsBORDERROADORGANISATION(BRO)thatIcanconfirm.
IdontwanttotakenameoftheProject,asImyselfhasseenthiscorruptionactivity.
Firstly,wheneveryouwinapurchase/supplyorder(PO/SO)fromBRO,thenyouhaveto
delivertheordertothethedesignatedStoreoftheProject,andthosewhodealswith
deliveringgoods/materialstoStoresofanygovernmentdepartment,arewellawareofthe
chargestheyhavetopayfordeliveringasbribe,sothattheirconsignmentgetaccepted
andthereisnoprobleminpaymentofafterwards.
Somebusinessman/Contractordeliverinferiorqualityofgoodandjustbypayingbribe
(whichcanbe510%ofTotalOrderValueTOV)theygettheirdeliveryacceptedduring
inspectionofgood.
Butasitwasfollowedfromlongtime,thestorekeepershavebecamehabituatedoftaking
bribe,theyhavestandardizedtherateofbribei.e510%ofTOVevenyousupplyfull
quantityandgoodqualityofconsignment.
Nowthefunnypart,everyonewhodealswiththingsknowsstoresofBROtakebribe,but
BROstoresarewellorganisedandthereisnofaultinpaperwork(allconsignmentis
deliveredasperrulesandregulationonpaperanddocuments)andthesumofmoneyis
distributedamongthemembersaccordingtothehierarchy.
So,asperlastparagraphthereisnoCORRUPTIONinBROonpaper.
ThisincidentIhaveseenfrommyowneyes.
ThereareotherdepartmentsinBROwhichtakesbribeandareaffectedwithcorruption
bydoingfavourtoindividualcontractor/corporate,butidonthavedetailofthem.
BROisaCivilEngineeringdepartmentofMinistryofDefense,whichtakedifficultprojects
inIndiaandabroad.BeingrelatedtoCivilEngineeringitshardtoescapefromtouchof
corruptionandthatsoinINDIA.
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AngshumanDeka
WrittenJul18
Well,tobeginwith,letusfirstdoawaywiththenotionthattheIndianArmyis
incorruptible.Theymaybealotlessso,butattheendoftheday,itiscomprisedofhuman
beings.Andtoassumethattheywouldbecompletelyidealbeings,justbecausethey
happentobeemployedintheIndianArmy,wouldbeextremelynaive.
SoaboutthequestionIstherecorruptionintheIndianArmy?,myanswerwouldbean
unequivocalYes.
Overthepastyear,myjobrequiredmetointeractwithseveralclientsfromtheIndian
ArmedForces,mostlythroughtheSalesteamofthecompany.Andfrommyinteractions,I
cansafelysaythatcorruptionintheArmedforcesisnotzero.However,Iwouldnotbe
fullyqualifiedtocomparetheextentofcorruptionintheIndianArmywithrespectto
otherprofessions,thesecondpartofthequestion.
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ThecorruptionwhichIhaveseenwasmainlyduringtheprocessofprocurementof
equipmentsforthesoldiers.Ihaveheardofseveralinstanceswherecompanies,bypaying
aconsultancyfeestosomeseniorofficers,havetweakedtherequirementsoftheArmyso
thattheirproductareeligibleforthetenderingprocess.Thatbeingsaid,asfarasmy
experiencewas,oneshouldalsonotpresumethatsuchchangesaffecttheequipments
greatly.Theyarejustsomeminorchangesinmostcasessothatthecompetingcompanies
canbeeliminated.However,aslongastheultimateintention/effectistodisruptthelevel
playingfieldintenders,Iwouldcallsuchactionsascorruptpractices.
IwillleaveoutthemostcommonexamplesofcorruptionintheArmythathavecomeout
inthemediaoflate.Letmeentertainyouwithacoupleofsomepersonalexperiences,
withoutgettingintotheintricaciesoftrade.
IhaveheardofanofficerdemandinganiPhone(specificallytheiPhone6S+,with128GB
memory,goldencoloured,originallaminationscreensandanoriginaliPhonecover,all
packedinsideanApplestorebagalongwiththeinvoiceasaproofofitsauthenticity)in
exchangeforsomeunfairfavours.Now,whentheconcernedpersongiftedthephoneto
theofficer,herefusedjustbecausethelaminationscreenandcoverwerenotofApple.He
wouldjustnotacceptthefactthatAppleonlymanufacturesthephoneandnotphone
covers.
IheardananecdoteaboutaseniorofficerintheArmywhoacceptedasimilarconsultancy
feesofacoupleofcroreswithanexcuseofsellingtwoofhiswifespaintings.Theofficerin
turntweakedthespecificationsoftherequiredproductwhichwouldeventuallyfavourthe
payeescompany.
Airforcepilotsareissuedacertainquotaofaviationfuelinafixedintervaloftimesothat
theycancompletetheirstipulatedflyinghours.Iwastoldhowattheendofeveryperiod,
gallonsofaviationfuelarebeingdumped.Nowthiscouldmeantwothings.Eitherthe
aircrafthasabettermileagethanwhatiscalculatedbythefuelissuingauthorityorthat
everypilotdoesnotcompletethestipulatedflyinghours.
EarlierIwouldconsideritaconspiracytheory,butwhenaKashmiripolicemantoldme
howtheBSFwouldsometimesacceptbribesinordertoallowafewterroristscrossthe
border,Iwasboundtobelieveit.
Talkingaboutbeingcorrupt,oneshouldalsonotforgettheallegationsofrapeorfake
encountersonsomeofoursoldiersinareaswhereAFSPAhasbeenimplemented.Iwas
totallyshockedwhenonepersontoldmethatsuchpressuretacticsarenecessaryto
maintainorderinhighlydisturbedareas.
However,thatbeingsaid,IwouldalsoliketoaddthatIdoacknowledgethefactthatour
ArmedForcesaredoingagreatjobinservingournation.Creditshouldbegivenwhereits
due.Butweshouldalsonotoverlookanymalpracticeontheirpartevenifitsminiscule.
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AbeerDiabolus
WrittenAug3
It'sfunnyhowpeoplewillouttightlylietomakethemselvesfeelbetter.Thereismassive
systemiccorruptionintheIndianarmy.
Corruptioninarmedforces:Howextensiveistherot?
AndnotonlydotheylovetorapewomenintheNortheastandgetawaywithit,butthe
Indiansoldiersalsohaveareputationforrapingwomenduringpeacekeepingmissions.
http://www.outlookindia.com/maga...
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Anonymous
UpdatedApr1,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IstheIndianarmyfreefromcorruption?
No,idon'tthinktheyarecompromisingwithsecurity.Theytrytobuybestweaponswithin
theirbudget.
Somepersonnelinthearmyarecorrupt,whocontrolsveryspecificpositionrelatedto
1.Selectionofcandidates.(notsure,butheardmanytimes)
2.Postingtotheirdesiredlocation.
3.ClearingOrderbillslikeconstructionetc.
4.Food(ration)freeforhome.
5.Sellingmedicine.
.
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.
Manymore
PS:Thereisnoorganisationwhichis100%freefromcorruption,buticansayArmyis
purest.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul23
IndianArmyhasitsshareofcorruptiongoingon.ButIllnottalkaboutthebigscamslike
lowqualityuniform&bootscontracts&supplyratherfocusonsmallcorruptions.Oneof
myrelativeisaHavaldarintheIndianArmy.Illbeextremelyhonesthere.Heisntvery
welleducated(notevenagraduate)&joinedthearmyjustsothathecouldearnenough
moneytofeedhimself&hismotherproperly.Hisfatherhaddiedinhischildhood&he
hasfacedalotofdificultiesgrowingup.Theycouldntevenaffordtheirmeals.So,he
hadntinitiallyjoinedArmyduetotheloveforthenationbutoncehehadjoined,he
carriedouthisdutieswithutmostdedication.HehadbeenservingintheArmyfor
morethan15yearsandhasservedfor810ofthoseyearsinKashmirregion
wherethetemperaturegoesaslowas20degreeCelsius.Duringtheremaining
years,hewasstationedatDehradun&asomesmallplaceincentralIndia.Hehastaken
prematurevoluntaryretirementafewmonthsagoduetohisgrowinghealthissuesand
thefactthathehasdevelopedproblemsinhislegsduetoyearsinthefreezingweather.
HeisaverysimpleandtruthfulmanwithapureheartthusIbelievehimandsodoI
believethecomplaintsbythousands&thousandsofarmymen(bothserving&retired)on
variouspagesonfacebookmadeforthesolepurposeofhighlightingtheseproblemsfaced
bythem.So,someoftheproblemsfacedbyhim&othersepoysare
Theofficersusethelowerrankarmypersonalsastheirpersonalservants.Youwould
findsepoysdoingtheirhouseholdworkslikegardening&bringinggroceries.These
sepoysarenotappointedfortheirpersonalworkbutstillyoullfinda
goodno.ofthesesepoysworkingastheseofficerspersonalservants.
Onlysepoyappointedforthemaretheirdrivers,thattooforwork
timingsonly.
Oncehe&anothercolleaguewereappointedthechore/joboftakinganofficers
doginatrainfromDehraduntoChennaiina1ACcompartment.Theticketswere
ofcoursepaidbythegovernmentandtheofficiallystatedpurposeofthejourneywas
shiftingsomethingimportant!!!!Ifthatsnotcorruptionthenwhatis?
Thetransfer/postingdepartmenthasitsownshareofcorruption.Alotofsepoysare
repostedinhardareaslikeKashmiragain&again.So,theirarewaystogetaposting
toasaferareajustliketherearewaystoescapewhencaughtwithouthelmetbythe
trafficpolice.
BriberyforPromotion.
Corruptioninthemessbudget.Thishappensinbiggerarmy/airforcestationsandnot
prominenteverywheresoexceptionsmustbethere.Therearedifferentmessforthe
differentranks.Andastherankscomedown,sodoesthequalityoffoodservedtoo.
Thoughthefoodbudgetisconsideringallarmypersonalsasequals,stillthereis
unaccountedmoneydeductionswhichisbalancedbybringingdownthefoodquality
ofthemessforthelowerranks.
Thesepoysaretreatedlikeshitbythehigherofficialsatmanyinstancesbutasitsnot
corruption,letsleaveit.
MyfatheralsohasbeenservingintheIndianAirForceproudlyforthepast20+yearsand
accordingtomyobservations,theseproblemsarealsopresentinAirForcebutonasmaller
scale.
IpersonallyconfirmedthemessproblemasexactlytoldwhenIhadtovisitmyfatheronce.
Iatethefoodfrom2differentmess,onemeantfortheranksofmyfather&anotherfrom
themessmeantforrankslowerthanhis.(Theyarentallowedinthemessforhigher
rankedpersonalsthanthem,socouldnteatthefoodfromthehighestmess..:D)
Therearealotmoresimilarsmallthingsbutyoumighthavegotanideabynow.
AndIwouldliketostatethat,IdontbelievethateveryoneintheIndian
ArmyorDefenseislikethisandthesemightbethecaseofafew&alsothe
factthatImightbepartiallywrongasImnotmyselfaninternalpartof
IndianArmy/AirForcebutIfeltthecompulsiontowritethisasIbelieve
mostofitistrue&didnotincludethepointsIdoubted.
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Imsorryifmyanswerhurtsanyhonest&patrioticsonofthenation
especiallythoseservingintheIndianDefense.Iunderstanditcanhurtthe
goodoneswhoservewithutmostdedication&showempathytowardsall
thesoldierswithoutanyregardtotheirranksorbackground.
Imnotsurehowmyfatherwouldreacttothis,beingsoproudoftheIndian
Airforce&IndianDefensethatheis.So,goinganonymous.
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DhruvRoopNarayanKacker
WrittenAug2
Thereareagenciesinplacenotunlikethecivilianvigilancecommission,andonlythebest
ofthebest,battleproven,awardeesanddignitariesrespectedwithinthethreearmsare
appointedherein.Alotisallowed,butonlytokeepthepoliticianssatisfied.Assoonasit
turnsstrategicallyerroneousabrutalexampleisalsomade.Details,explanationsarefor
thepublicagenciestofabricate.Noteveryreportpublishedtellsthetruestory.
Sufficetosay,YourArmyispeopledbythemostintelligent,cleverandcourageouspeople.
Thecorruptarenomatchforus.Dontworry.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul15
Iamwritingthisonbehalfofasoldier,oneofthemwhohadonlydreamtojoinIndian
armyatanycost.
Heismyfriend.Hewantedtojoinarmynotbecausehewaspassionateaboutthat(ormay
be)butarmyistheonlyoptionforhimwherehecanearngood.Hebelongstoalower
middleclassfamilylikemewithalotoffamilyresponsibilities.Hewasagoodscholartoo.
InmylocalityGovtjobissomethingthatdeterminestheintelligenceofastudent.youmay
findthisinmostoftheplacesinIndia.
Aftergettingrejected34timesduetosomeminorissues,hewasquitefrustrated.He
almostlosthishope.Atthesametime,hecametoknowthatoneofhisfriends,whoisless
capablethanhim(thisiswhathethinks)gotselected.Afterhearingthisnewshewasquite
upsetandstartedtalkingtohisnewlyrecruitedfriend.Whatheheardfromhisfriend,
blewhismind.Hegaveabribeof1.5lacINRtogetselectedinthearmy.Hecouldn'ttrust
hisfriend.Afteralotofinquiries,hefinallygotthecontactofthatagentwhohelpothers
joinIndianarmythroughbribe.Theagentrevealedsomeofthenamesfromourlocality
whogotselectedthroughhim.Hestartedtalkingtothosepeopleandfoundittobetrue.
Hedecidedtopaythatamount.50%inadvance(exactamountIdontknow)andtherest
oftheamountaftergettingcallletter.
Nowmyfriendisasoldier.WhenhetoldmeabouttheincidentIwassurprisedandfelt
badaboutthis.Iwasn'tpassionatetojoinarmy,butIalwayshaveaspecialrespectfor
them.WhenIaskedhimwhyanycomplaintoractionhasnotbeentakenagainsthim,he
saidthatsomehigherrankofficersareinvolvedinthiscorruption.
P.S.IstillrespectIndianarmylikegodandreallyproudoftheworkstheydo.Butthere
arecertainpeopleeverywherewhocreateloophole.Idontknowwhetheritwillreachto
appropriatepersonornotbuthopethisactwillcometoanendverysoon.
Anonymousforobviousreason.
Truthisbitter,Trytoacceptit!
JAIHIND!
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NiteeshShanbog
WrittenJul22
Thisisatruestorywhichhappenedtome.IwasvisitingMonkeyfallsinPollachiwhichwas
actuallyguardedbythearmy.Weweresupposedtobuyanentryticketinitiallyforapretty
nominalpriceof5rupeesorsomething.Ididnotknowofthisinitiallyanddrovestraight
insidewhereIwasstoppedbythesecurity.Tobuytheticket,ihadtogobackaroundfifty
kilometresbackwhichididnotwanttodo.AndIalsodidnotwanttomissoutonseeing
theplaceaftercomingsoclose.Thearmymenondutydidnotacceptmypleasof
ignorancenordidtheyacceptanymoneyIgavehim.
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Aftermuchpleading,Igavehimfiftyrupeestoallowmeinside.AndwhenIwascoming
outofthefallsafteranhourorso,thearmymenagainstoppedme,gavemetheticketand
returnedthechangeback!
Iwasembarrassed,happy,proudallatthesametime!
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MGGopalan
WrittenDec1,2014
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
AspointedoutbyVikramandTashithearmedforcesareonlyareflectionofthestateof
corruptionthatIndiahasdescendedto.
PettycorruptioniswhenaservicemanstealssparepartsorfuelfromtheMTsectionforhis
ownuse,orsomeothermaterialfortheuseofhisfamilyegjumpingaheadintheMilitary
quotaonanIndianRailwaystrain.Slightlymoreseriousisthemisuseofpowerfor
transfers,promotions,medicaltreatmentetc.Farmoreseriousiswhenthemilitarytop
brass,inconjunctionwithcivilservantsintheMinistryofDefenceandtheMinisterialand
legislativepoliticosdefraudthenationthroughcorruptprocurementpractices.
ThereneedstobeaninsideoutsurgeryofcorruptionintheIndianpsyche.Fartoomany
peoplerevileitandfartoofewbenefitfromit.
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ZimikNim
WrittenJul14
Corruptionexistineveryinstitutions.Ifyoudontliveinmilitarizationareayouarenotfit
toanswerthisquestion,Sorry,itsabitrude.45000IndianArmiesaredeployinginNE
partofIndia.WhenIwasyounger,meandoneofmyvillageuncleusedtosupplyfoodsto
AssamRifleforabout5years.Becausetheypreferredfreshervegetablesandmeatsthan
govtissuedgheeandgrains.Believeme,Iftheydontwanttogiveusmoneytheycando
it.Yes,Irememberitwasnotabusinessatall(youknowwhatimean?)Yes,itistruethat
inArmedForces(SpecialPower)ActAreatheyhaverighttoshootyouwithoutanyprior
warningiftheysuspectonyouandnolawcanstopthem.So,theycanshootyou,rapeyou
bygivinganywrongallegations.Well,Idontmeanthatthisthingsarehappeningvery
oftenbutyes,ifyouliveinmilitarizationareayouwilldefinitelywitnessthis.Now,letsgo
backtomystory,Assamriflesareverymuchhelpfulinmanywayslike,giving
transportationtovillagerswheninneed,givinghandswhenthereisanyaccident,giving
Medicalaid,etcetc.Istillremember,wheniwasinhighschoolIwenttoArmycampwith
3ofmyfriendsandaskforhelpformyschoolsportsday.WithouthesitationtheArmy
officergaveus5football,3volleyballswithnetsandfewothersportingstuffs.Veryhelpful
right?Butbelieveme,ifyouhappentomeetIndiaArmiesatcountrysideIbet,youwillget
goosebumpsoffear.Becausewehavewitnessedmanynightmaresdonebythem.So,In
onewaytheyareveryverygoodandhelpfulbuttheyalsohavenegativeside.Overall,there
corruptionlevelisverypositive.Butyes,asahumanbeingfewofficersinvolveindirty
games.Haveyouheardthisnewsbefore?Colonelarrestedforrobbinggoldsmugglersin
MizoramTimesofIndia
LikeIsaidduetosomedirtyofficers,wecannotratethemasnoncorruptedinstitution.
Thanks.
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VeerappanLaxman,Engineer,Gamer,Dreamer,likesHistory,Science,
TechnologyandPeace.Disli...
WrittenDec20,2014
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
ShortAnswer:Noit'sasmallnumberofDefenseMinistrywhoarecorruptbutthatis
beingcorrectedbypublicopinionSupremecourtcasesCourtMartialsandGenerals
writingbooksdetalingthosecorruptactionsbythefewbadeggs.Don'tblamethewhole
millionsofhonorableservicepeopleforthemistakesofafew.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul23
https://www.quora.com/IstherecorruptionintheIndianArmyandtowhatextent 19/36
11/17/2016 IstherecorruptionintheIndianArmy,andtowhatextent?Quora
Yesthereiscorruptioninarmyasmilitarymendocomefromoursocietywherecorruption
isprevalent.ThoughArmyOfficersdenyitandlabelittobeacivilianactivityyet
corruptionisasmuchthereasinanygovernmentdepartment.In2012arecruitmentscam
ofclass4employeesinNDAwasexposedbyCBIwhereintwoservingcolonelwere
arrested.ThearmsdealtooinvolveexIndianAmyofficerswhoactastouts.
TheblameforBoforsscam,coffinscamorbulletproofjacketscamortheJeepscam,
SubmarinescamorBarackMissilescamcan'tbeputentirelyonpoliticiansand
beaureaucrats,itinvolvedhighprofilearmyofficerstoo.Asthesewouldn'thavetaken
placeifanarmypersonneldoesn'tgetshisshare.
ExArmyChiefGenV.KSinghandnowanMoSinModiGovt.hadoncementionedthat
formerindianarmyturnedlobbyisthadonceofferedhim14croreasbribetoapprove
purchaseof600substandardvehicle.ThatlobbyistreportedlytoldtheGeneralthat
"Peoplehadtakenmoneybeforeyouandtheywilltakemoneyafteryou"
Therearearticlespublishedinleadingnewspapersaboutthecorruptioninmilitary
engineeringservicesandontheissueoflandprocurement.
ExServicemenjoinPSUsandBanksonmilitaryquota,whethertheyaresuitableforthe
jobroleisdifferentmatteraltogetherhoweverIhaveseenthattheybecomesycophants,
giftingtheirsuperiorscostlyitemspurchasedatdiscountedratesfrommilitarycanteen(
thatincludesliquor).
WithsuchreallifeexamplesgivenyoucanunderstandtheextentofcorruptioninArmy
andinthelivesofmilitarymen.
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MannanSukhoiChoudhary,ApoliticallyIndia.
UpdatedNov2
I'velivedinDelhiCantonmentsinceforever.Idon'tbelongtoaArmybackgroundbutI've
studiedinanArmyschool,livedamongstthemandhadquitealotofexposuretothe
Armylife.
ThiswaswhenIwaspreparingformy12thboardexamsin2011.Whilepreparinginacold
Januarynight,Iwentouttothebalconyforsomerestandtogetoutofthecozyquiltto
stretchabit.Itwasaround2inthenight.
AFaujitruck(7ton)comesandstopsrightinfrontofthehouse.Therewasarickshaw
parkednexttothefootpath.2Faujisgetdownandtakeout220litrejerrycansofDiesel
and2cartonsofWhiskey.Theyleaveitthereonthesideoftheroad.Assoonastheyleft,
therickshawalahputsablanketoverthejerrycansandthecarton.5minuteslateracar
comesupandputsallthegoodsinthebackseatandvanishes.
ThereisaCVD(CentralVehicleDepot)inDelhiCantonmentandwithproperconnection
youcangetDieselforhalfthemarketpricefromthere.Itissoldinblack.
BottomlineisthatArmyisoneofthemostcorruptorganisationsinIndia,butseemslike
cleanbecausethecorruptionisundocumented.TakeforexampleArjuntanks.Field
TestingofArjunsawArmyputsandinthetank'senginesothatitfailsandArmycanbuy
moreT90sfromRussia.IknowoflotsandlotsofexamplesofArmy'scorruptionin
DefenceEquipmentAcquisition.
Edit1:ManyhavebeenaskingwhattheArjunscamis.WelltheArjunscamreferstoa
seriesoftricksArmyplayedtonotinductArjunandgetT90sinstead.Buyingaforeign
tankgetskickbacksascomparedtobuyingdomesticproduct.DuringFieldtestingof
Arjun,sandwasfoundinArjun'smainengineforcingastop.Aclearactofsabotage.In
anotherinstancetheGSQRstatedArjuntoshowlowFording.InsteadifLow,DRDO
showedMediumFording.Within15minutes,theGSQRwerechangedfromLowFording
toSnorkelling.Within15minutestherequirementswerechangedfromatankthatrunsin
afeetofwatertoatankthatisaparttimesubmarine.
P.S.ThisisareportfromArmywhichsaysthatinCompetitivetrialsofArjunvs.T90,the
ArjunbeattheT90inallofthe25setparameters.DespitethatArmybought1500T90s
vs.125Arjun's.
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Anonymous
Updated10hago
Yes,thereiscorruptioninIndianarmy.Itmaybehardtobelievebutwherethereare
humanbeings,theiriscorruptionandpoliticsindefenseisnoless.
MybrotherisacaptaininIndianarmyandcurrentlysittingbesidemeasheisona
leave,soIaskedhimthisquestionandthisiswhathesaid.
Thereisnotadirectcorruptionlikepoliceandothergovernmentoffices,butalotofback
doorcorruptiontakesplaceinthearmy.
Forex1.Thecanteenitemsinchargeasksforbribefromthepersonwhowantstosellhis
productsinaarmycanteenofaparticulararea.
2.Thepersoninchargeofaconstructionofanewbuildingtriestosaveasmuchashecan
fromtheconstructionandkeepsittohimself.
3.Inanarmyschoolinmycity1,00,00,000(1crore)wassanctionedforaconstruction
ofabasketballcourtbutifyouwilllookatthecourt,youcaneasilyfindthatnotmorethan
20lackshasbeenspentonthatcourt.
Therearemanyotherexamplesandwaysthroughwhichcorruptionhappensinthe
Indianarmy.
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IdonotblameeveryarmypersonofbeingcorruptedandIknowthatmostofthemare
honestanddedicatedtowardsservingtheircountry.EverytimeIseeanarmedservice
manIthankhiminsidemyheartandtoallothersduetowhichIamabletoliveinpeace.
Theyworkdayandnighttoprovideussafetyandsecurityandunfortunatelymanyof
themlosetheirlives.
SoconcludingthequestionIwouldliketosayYes,thereiscorruptioninalmostalllevelin
armybutnotatarmedservicemanarecorrupted.
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Anonymous
WrittenAug14
Yes.Bornandbroughtupwithinthemilitaryframeworkandyouwouldbesurprised.
Typesofcorruption
1.Mostcommonisofcoursegraft.ArmyofficersareoftendeputedtoMESandtheyare
equallypronetodemanding/acceptingbribe.HowevercorruptioninMESislesserthan
PDWetc.
2.Indefenceacquisition10%MINIMUMcommissionisinstitutionaltodayindefence
ministryineverydefencepurchasebeagunoranairplane.Ifyouforexamplescrutinize
thedetailsofourRafalejetdeal,youwillfindthereisanoffsetclausethatrequires
dassaulttoinvest50%ofprojectcostbackinIndia(investmentcanbeinanythingandis
nottimebound).Whatthisdoesisdriveupthecostby50%.Whythisclauseisinsertedis
toinflatethecostofcontractandhencemorecommission.
3.Everydefencedealinvolvescommissionandnotonlythosethatmakesnewslike
Augustawestlandorscorpenesubmarineorbofors.The10%isdistributedinthismanner
5.5%topartyfund(PMsshareoutofthisifhesodesires),1.5%todefenceminister(this
cangohigher),3%toSeniorbureaucrats(jointsecretaryandaboveranknormally)and
armedforcesheadanddecisionmakers.
4.Corruptioninpromotionbystagedencountersthisissocommonthatitispartygossip
.Wedontdiscusswhichunithascommitteditatsomepointbutratherwhohasnot.
5.CorruptioninAFSPAareas.Ifinditquiteoddthatnotevenoncedonewspaperor
mediacaretoevaluateAFSPAbasedonthefinancialangle.Trytounderstandthe
mechanismofuntiedfundsandhowtheyarespent.Itisimportanttomentionthelocal
civiliangovernmentalsobenefitsfromuntiedAFSPAfunds.
6.Paramilitaryforcesassamrifle,BSF,SSBetcareneckdeepincrossbordersmuggling
.
7.Fueleveryday,agovernmentvehiclehastofillinacardiarythatmaintainsthetotal
distancetraveled.Thisfigureisinflatedacrosseveryarmofgovernmentby210times.
Thatisifyoudrovefor10km,youwillatleastinput20km,sometimes50km.Theextra
fuelconsumedissoldinblackmarket.
8.Adarshscametcwhichstandoutontheirownmanyseniorarmedforceofficers
benefitedaswellhereandnotjustpoliticiansorbureaucrats.
9.Lifeofluxury.Spendfirst57yearsonborder,rest30yearssafewithinIndiahaving
officetimeof92pm,oftenworldclassgolfcoursethatrequirescrorestomaintain,tax
freealcohol,officialvehicleforroamingaroundcityandwhatnot.Thisluxuryisoften
mindnumbingamongseniorofficialsaLt.Generalrankofficeronceflewtoahillstation
in2separatemi8helicopters,oneforhim,oneforhiswife.Eachhelicoptercaneasily
accommodate20+nottomentionconsumefuelworthlakhs.Personalbatmanwhois
essentiallyadomestichelppaidforbytaxpayers.brigadierandaboveranksoftenhaveup
to10batmans,theyeachearnaround20,000/.Dothemath.2lakhspenton10mento
trimthegardenandattendtothedog.
Corruptioninarmedforceshasbeenadefiningfeatureofeverygovernmentforcenturies
now.WhileitwidespreadinIndiaandgettingworse(easilyinferredfromescalating
defencespending),youwillbesurprisedtotheextenttheUSAforexampleiscorrupted
inthissector.TheyburntheirtrucksfortirepunctureinIraqonlytoplaceanorderfora
newone.Becausenoonepayscommissiononanoldtruck.Thiswasdocumentedina
documentaryonIraqwarcorruption.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul23
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Itisthere.Youcan'treallyescapecorruption.Althoughitisnotasprevalentasitisat
otherdepartmentsbutitisthereforsure.Manypeoplehavealreadymentionedsomebig
scams.Letmeshareasmallincident.
Ithashappenedbackin200809whenIwasin9thor10thclass.IstudiedataKendriya
Vidyalayawhichwasincanttarea.So,manyarmybusesusedtocomethere.Theyusedto
parkinthecornerofourplayground.Onefinedaymeandmybestfriendwerebunking
theclassandlyingdowninthecornnerofplaygroundtohidefromsportsteacher.We
weregoodathiding,soIdon'tthinkanybodynoticedus.Wesawpetrolbeingtransferred
fromArmybusestoaprivatebusinsomebigclothmaterialcontainer,liketheoneswesee
beingusedindesserts.Wenoticeditonfewmoreoccasions.Myfriendalsousedtocome
fromoneofthearmybuses,hetoldmethateverydaytheirtanksgetfilled.So,surelythe
twoarmymeninthebus,thearmymenwhosupplypetrolandtheonewhoappovesthe
supplyofpetrolarejointlyconvictedforthisact.WehavealsoseenCRPFbusesdoingso.
So,thesekindofthingshappen.But,theimportantpartissacrificesmadeandservices
offeredbymillionsofarmymenheavilyoutweightheseincidents.
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Anonymous
UpdatedJul6
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
Armedforcesareminimallycorruptfromthelowestranktohighestone,lowest
formationtohighestformation.Reasonconsequencesofcorruptionarelossof
promotionwhichisverydeartotheuniformedpeople.Otherwise,allareequally
corruptible.Asurveycanbedoneaboutdisproportionateassetsofvariouslevelsof
commanders!MostofthecorruptioninArmedForcesisnotincashbutinkind.This
indirectly,savesanindividual'sexpensesandtranslatesintohugemoneyinthelongrun.
Itisrampanttoseepilferageofmaterialegpetrol,diesel,stationery,clothing.Asoldier
issuingclothingkeepinghisownshareoutofanothersoldier'sentitlementisstandard
practice.itissorampantthatevensuperiorofficersturnblindeyetoit.Anelectricalfitting
worth500INRisapprovedbyadministrationfor5000INR,becausetheMESorCPWD
officials'lookafter'thepowerfulofficerinuniform!Usingmanpowerandotherresources
forpersonalandfamilyneedsisnothingbutcorruption.Usingfavoursfromsuppliers
andcontractorsisnothingbutcorruption.INBRIEF,APPARENTHONESTYINARMED
FORCESISNOTOUTOFPATRIOTISM,BUTOUTOFFEAROFITSCONSEQUENCES.
ONTHEOTHERHAND,CORRUPTIONISDONECOVERTLYINKINDINSTEADOF
BLATANTCASH.
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Anonymous
WrittenJan21,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
Doyouseepeopleofanyothercountryaskingthesamequestion?whyonlyus?
Thisisaverybadwaytothanksomeonefortheirservice.Everycountryiscorrupt.Getover
it.PeoplearejustusedtoassociatingIndiawithcorruption
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Anonymous
WrittenJul22
Thereasonimanonymousisbecauseidontwantdouchbagscommentingsayingitsone
personsmistakewhyyoublamingeveryoneforit.
Nowbacktothemaintopic.
Iliveinpunethereisaplacecalledghorpadiwhichhasalotofarmyfacilitiessurrounding
it.
Onetimeidontremembertheyearbutthereislikearailwaycrossingwhichisapaincoz
theroadisverynarrowandeventrucksandevenarmytrucks(thehugegreenonesto
transporttroops)passhere.
Therewasayouthonabikewhohappenedtocrossthisarmytruckonceandithinkhe
skidorthetruckmovedandhewascrushedunderthetruck,immediatelythepeoplewent
tocatchthearmyguywhogotdownfromthetruckandtookoutarodtodefendhimself.
Theotherguyreportedthistotheirbaseandmorepeoplewereontheirwaytillthatthe
peoplwdidntwanttkhurtthearmybutatleasthandhimovertothepolicestationforhis
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mistake.Nothinghappenedtheotherguyscametookthetrucktookthearmyjawan
threatenedtheangrypeople,hitthepeoplestandinginthewayandleft.
Nextday:nothinghappened
Peoplewereagitatedmakingprotestsshoutingalogansforjusticebut....nothing
Tillnow(itsbeenalmosg89yearsnow)
Everyonesforgottenaboutitanditsallendedupasnothing.
Someothertimetooiheardonceanarmyjawanmadesometrafficmistakethecop
responsiblycaughthimanditishisduty
Thisjawanrefusedtocomplycalledotherpeopletothepolicethanaandallofthemwere
beatenupandtheyleft.
1moreincidentiheardthisoneso.idontknowifitstrueornot.Butafriendsknown
personfaughtinthebangladeshwar.Heliterallyboastedtohimthatwhentheywere
patrollingsometimestheywouldtakethevillagewomenoutintotheforestrapethemand
killthem.Thatshowthingsworkedbackthenitseems.
Idontbelievethiscozthismanisknowntobullshit.Butthesekindofwar
storieshappeneverywherepleaselookatwhathappenedtowestgermany
afterthesovietuniontookcontrol.Thisisadarkstainontheirhistorybut
thatshowthingswerebackthentosupressthecolonywithmentaltorture
andothermeans.
WHATWOULDYOUCALLTHIS?
MISUSEOFPOWER
RIGHTSASASOLDIER
PERKSOFSAVINGCIVILIANSLIVES
OURWAYORTHEHIGHWAY
???
imnotblamingthewholeindianarmybyshowingthisexample.Butneverisawhole
systemcorrupt
Liketakeforexample
Modiisnobletodohisdutyfaithfully.Soaretheotherbjptitleholdersbutdoesthatmake
thewholebjptillthegrassleveluncorrupt
Willyousaytheirrighteousnessmakesotherpartymemberscorruptactiongoaway?
Ifyousayfewpeoplesmistakesdoesntmakethewholepartycorruptthensimilarlyfew
peoplesgoodworksdoesntmakethepartyperfecttoo!
Takethesameexampleandapplyittotheinfianarmy.
Thequestionaskedasksforcorruptionnotinthewholesystembutibelieveevenonthe
smallestofemployeeinit.Istillbelievethatwhenthenationisintroubleourjawanswill
workamazinglytoprotectusandirespectthemforthatbutthatdoesntgivethemthe
righttomisusetheirpowerinothertimeANDTHATMYFRIENDISWHATIS
CALLEDCORRUPTION.
Andsimilarlybeforeyougbashyourteethidontmeantosayeveryoneinthearmyisbad
Evensomeofmyfamilymembersareinthenavyandarmysoiknowhowgoodand
humbletheycanbetoo.
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RajeevDar
WrittenAug14
BroadlyspeakingArmyhasafightingarmandanadministrativearm.Theadministrati8
armhastheMESandthevariousGarrisonEngineeretc.Itistheadministrativearmof
Armywhichiscorrupt.Allpurchaseshappenhereandthesystemisasrottenasanynon
armyGovt.Dept.Thecontractorswhodealwiththemareuptotheireyeballsinthemess.
Thesenonadministrativestaffarereferredasciviesbyhardcorearmyguysandgals.
UnfortunatelyIhaveseenthateventhehardcoreArmychapsendgettingcompromised
bythesescoundrels.Thisisoneareawhichneedscleaningupmajorly.Eveninrecruitment
drivesbribemaybeaskedfromtheunemployeddesperatechapwantingtogetintothe
army.WhatIhavewrittenisbasedonpersonalexperience.
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Anonymous
WrittenFeb27,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IsthewholeIndianarmytotallyincorruptible?Arethereanystories/experiences
whereinanarmypersonallypractisedcorruption?
PleaseunderstandthatIndianArmy(IA)isasubsetofIndiansociety.Allills&positives
ofasettendtopercolatetoitssubset.ThegoodpartisthatcorruptioninArmystillmakes
news,whichindicatesthatby&largeitsfreeofcorruption.OtherspheresofIndiansociety
ithaslongceasedtobenews.IAisnottotallyincorruptible,becauseitsmannedby
humanswhoarefallible.Corruptionisaverysubjectiveterm.Yourdefinitioncanvary
frommineorofanyoneelse.WhathelpsisthatIAhassystemswhichcancomeon
defaultersveryheavily.Andithas.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul5
Armypersonnelarealsohumanbeinglikeus.
Inarmycorruptionismorethananycivildepartmentastheyarelessunaccountable.
WhyIamsure
Myfriendisauditorindefenceministry(CGDA).
Myonerelativeistransportedandengagedwitharmyfordifferenttransportservices.he
hastogivenfixpercentageofhisbillamount.
IknowImayabusedhereaswehaveadifferentimageofarmybutthisistrue.
Mostofarmypersonal(lowarLaval)havenopowerstodocorruption.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul7
Notonlyinarmybutinentiredefencesystemcorruptionismorethan
civil
HowcorruptionruninDefenceIwouldexplainit
Ifabuildingwhichactualcostforcompletionissuppose50lac,
theninDefencetheauthoritieswillshowit1.5to3cr!.onpaper
believemethisiswhathappeningatleastinAirForce,icanassurethis
AuditteamusedtocomeandcheckforclassCitemwhichinclude
warrant,Pol,etc
Onecannotbelievethatthereishugescaleofcorruptionindefence
WhenitcomestofoodingforJawanthenonpapermenuwouldbelike3
starhotelandGovernmentpayforthisalsobutactuallywhattheygetin
plateisworsethanjailfood
thereisnomediaandifjawansraisevoiceagainstthistheywilldeclared
asamutineers
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Anonymous
WrittenAug15
Yes,corruptiondoesexistintheIndianArmytoo,albeitinamuchmorediscreetmanner.
Withpowercomesgreatresponsibilityandjustliketherearecorruptcivilservants,the
armyhasitsownshareofbadapples,butsincemuchofthemilitary'sworkisinvisbleto
thecommonpublictheyarenotwidelyknown.YouknowwhenanIASdivertsfundstohis
pockets,projectsarenotcompletedbutyoudon'tseeitwhenthearmydoesthesethings.
I'mfromManipur,whereyoucanseeanarmymeneverywherethankstoourterriblelaw
andordersituation.Overhere,therearemanycasesofArmyofficerscaughtredhanded
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withhugeamountsofdrugsandgoldillegallysmuggledfromMyanmar.Youcangoogleit
ifyouwanttoknowmorebutwhatIcantellyouisthatlikeanyotherillegaltradeinthe
countryonlyafractionofthesepeoplegetscaught.
Sowhat'smystory?
Duetotheceasefireagreementofsomeinsurgentgroupswiththearmy,theircadres
roamfreeandlivelikeanybodyelse,soyougettomeetandinteractwiththemeasily.
JustlastyearwhenIwasonmywaytotheairporttocatchmyflightbacktoMumbaiafter
aminivacationathomeIsatnexttoaseniorinsurgentcommanderwhohadaponytail
andafacethattellsyouthathehasbeentohellandback.Westartedchattingabouthow
shittythedriverwasandassoonasIgotthehintaboutwhohewas,Istartedprobinghim
togivemesomeinformationabouthisjob.WetalkedforaboutanhourandIgottoknow
thattheArmybasestationedinmyownhometownwasregularlysupplyingbulletstothe
militantsiftheirminthlyprovisionofbulletsforpracticewas,say10,000bullets,they
wouldusehalfandselltheotherhalftothesemilitants.Ialsogottoknowaboutthehow
theynormallyprocuretheirweapons(whichisnosecret).Buthey,don'tbealarmed
becausethegroupsthosebulletsweresoldto,haveaverygoodrelationshipwiththearmy.
Thingsareverycomplicatedthereandit'snotlikeanywheneveraninsurgentgrouprun
intothearmy,agunfughtsimplyensues.
ButsinceyouaskedifthereiscorruptionintheArmy,theanswerisabig'YES'!
*MyadvicetoeveryIndianistostopadulatinganyjob/serviceandputtingthemona
pedestal.Whenthathappens,corruptionstartscreepingin.
*Also,it'snotexactlyrighttogeneralisetheentireArmyjustbecausejustbecauseofone
goodincident.
It'seasytolovethemwhenyouareinMumbaibutcomeandliveinManipurandyou
won'tlikeitwhenthebarreloftherifleispointedatyourhead.Muchlesswhenthetrigger
ispulledandwhenyourwifebecomesawidowandyourkids,orphans.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul4
Ihavethreeunclesonepaternalandtwomaternalwhohaveservedinthearmy.These
aremyparentsownsiblings.Outofthethree,twowereMajorsandoneservedinthe
Jawanranks.AnotherdistantuncleiscurrentlyservingasAirCommodore(oratleasthe
wasacoupleyearsback.Nowhemayhavebeenpromotedtovicemarshal.)
Allfourhaveadmittedofftherecord,ofcoursetoreceivinguncleanmoneyfrom
higheruponmultipleoccasionsinreturnforfavours.Typicallyhowitworksisthatif
youreknownasagoodworker(andinthearmy,whoeverobeysorderswithout
questioningistermedgood,justlikeateacherspetinastrictboardingschool),your
superiorwillinviteyouhomefordrinksanddinner,andwilllayouttheproposal.
Youwillbeassuredthatthisisregularlydone,thatitwillnotcomeout,andthathe
himselfisunderpressurefromhissuperiortogetthingsdonethisway.Itwillbehinted
thatifyousayno,yourcareerwillbejeopardized,andsomeoneelsewhoismorediligent
(readobedient)willleapfrogyouintheraceforpromotion.
Allinall,thewholesituationwillbesetupsothatyouwillbeunabletosaynoregardlessof
yourmoralfiber.Andifthechainendswithyou,youwillbethefallguyifsomethinggoes
wrong.Thishappenedwithmypaternaluncle,whohadtotakevoluntaryretirementa
goodfifteenyearsbeforecompletingservice,withoutbenefits.Whenthemusicstops,you
betternotbetheguywithoutachair.
Outoftheotherthree,one(thejawaan)tookvoluntaryretirementwithpartialbenefits,
another(theMajor)retiredwithfullservice,andthelastone(theAirCommodore)isstill
serving.Thefirstonewhowasforcedtoretireclaimstohavedonesooutofdisgust,but
paradoxicallyhestillcarriesalltheoldarmyfrills:thecamopants,theexserviceman
stickeronthebackofhiscar,thecasualmentionofhisexperiencesinjustaboutevery
conversationetc.
Theotherthreejustshrugandadmitthatitspartoflife.Itmayhavepinchedtheir
consciencethefirstfewtimes,butbynowtheyreoverit,andtheyreabletojokeaboutitin
socialcompanyandsaysomethingtothetuneof:Thesystemisbiggerthanus.Whichis,
ofcourse,true.
Now4isbynomeansasignificantsample,anditmightjustbethattheonlyfourcorrupt
officersinthearmyhappentobepartofmyimmediatefamilycircle.Ontheotherhand,I
cansaysafelythatIvenotmetanoncorruptarmyofficer.
Makeofitwhatyouwill:)
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JeevanshuDhawan,interestslearning,teachingandreadinga
compassionatedoctor
UpdatedJun5
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
HomelywomenshouldneverbecomepartofIndianArmedForces.
HowIndianarmytreatswomenandchildren?
HowIndianarmytreatsfamiliesofindividualsworkingforthem?
Kindlyalsoread
1.Onebyone,theyrapedme,whilemyfiveyearoldsonwasforcedtowatch,weeping
besidethebed,shetoldthepaper.Almostallthewomenofthevillagewereraped.The
UntoldStoryOfTheAllegedMassRapesByTheIndianArmyInKunanPoshpora
2.Khakicrimes:Whowillsaveusfromthosemeanttoprotectus?|LatestNews&
UpdatesatDailyNews&Analysis
3.Westrippedandshouted,IndianArmy,rapeme!Itwastherightthingtodo|Revati
Laul|TehelkaInvestigations,LatestNews,Politics,Analysis,Blogs,Culture,Photos,
Videos,Podcasts
4.MothersofManipur|AssamTimes
5.IndianArmyRapeArchives|TIMESOFASSAM
Doreadmyblogforfurtherdetails.
RoleofIndianArmedForcesandIntelligenceAgenciesinAllIndiaInstituteofMedical
Sciences(A.I.I.M.S),NewDelhi,andOtherIndianInstitutionsandHealth
Establishments.
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ShankyRawat
WrittenJul22
YesthereiscorruptiontooinaDefenceandParaForces.
Butnotvisibletoeveryone.OfficerswhoareinEngineeringdept.OrinTransportdept.Or
inCSD(Canteen)areinvolveinscamsrelatedtotheirfeild.
HowBangladeshisareenteringinIndiawithoutanyinterferenceofBSF?Theyaretaking
goodamountforthat.
ButstillweloveourArmedforcesbecausesoldierdieingforushavenothingtodowith
corruptionoranypoliticshedoitforhiscountry.Justbecauseofsomepeoplewecant
includeall.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul11
Well,helloyouall.IcomefromthelandwhereAFSPAhasbeeninforceforoverhalfa
centurynow.Soyeah,letmetellyou,intheseplaces,thereisalotofcorruptioninthe
ArmedForces.
AndwhenImeancorruption,Isimplydontmeanlettingillegalimmigrantscrossbyfora
specifiedamountofmoneywhichthesmugglingmafiapaysthehighestrankingofficerin
charge.Ofcourse,thatmoneygoesdownandmoreoftenthannot,becomesinvestments
inrealestate(oragriculturalland)backhome.MyunclehasbeenintheBSFandhas
servedalloverthecountryacrossborders,keepingvigilforover30yearsnow,andhe
agitatesoverhowbadaninstitutiontheforceshavebecomeespeciallyintheAFSPAareas.
HealsotalksabouttherepressionsinKashmir,andtheunendingviolenceand
disproportionateuseofforce.
Andthebuckdoesntstopthere.Thearmyhasoftenbeenguiltyofgrosshumanrights
violation.AFSPAenablesaraidandsearchhouses,rapewomen,toshootunarmed
civiliansonmeresuspicion.Thesethingskeeponflashingonlocalmedia,butthe
mainstreamIndianMediahardlypicksupthesethings,focusinginsteadon
sensationalism.Thecorporatecontroloverthemediaissuchthatalotofthingsare
censoredoutevenbeforethepeoplegettoknowit.Witnessesarekilled.orforcedtogo
haywireduringthetrialsandsoon.
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Thatsnotall.AFSPAenablesasoldierwhohasmurderedaninnocentorrapedwomento
beimmunefromcriminalcourts.Theyfacecourtmartialwhichinmostcasesarenot
pursuedandtheaccusedgoesscotfree.Iknowofonesuchincidentthathappenedwith
myfamily.
InthemonthofApril,2015,some15monthsorsoagofromnow,adrunkarmydriver
rammedhistruckintoourcar,whichwastravellingontheNH37inAssam,thesocalled
AsianHighwayNumber1.Thishappenedinbroaddaylight,myparentsespacedwith
minorinjuries,thecarwasnotinanyconditiontodrivefurther,thebackofthecarwas
damaged.Myparents,thankfully,wereseatbeltedandtravellingupfront,withmyfather
onthewheels.Thecarwashitfrombehind,itspunaroundandwentdowntheroadto
finallycometoahaltinaovergrownpatchoflandbythesideoftheroad.Acrowd
gatheredaroundsoonenough,butthearmymen,withthepretextofcallingtheirOfficer,
calledforbackup.Subsequently,twotrucksofarmymenappeared.Tillthen,myparents,
withseriousbruisesfromtheseatbeltsandwiththebrokenwindshieldglassesontheir
faces(theundergrowthandbushesbroketheshield).Thankfullyitwasnotahillyareaor
onaslope,likemostoftheotherpartsaroundhere.Thus,thearmyactuallymanagedto
wriggleitswayoutofatoughsituationbythreateningandintimidatingthetribalTiwa
villagers.
Onealsogetstohearlocalnewsreportsofrobberbymilitaryman,withacommanding
officerarrestedduetohisinvolvementinaburglary.
TheNationchoosestosubtlyignoresallthis,orpretends.Orsimplyisnotcapableand
educatedenoughtoknoworcareaboutallthis.
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AmanAnand
WrittenJul4
Mytakeonthisisfinancialtransactionsofarmedforcesanditssubsidiariesarenot
scrutinizedasefficientlyasfinancialtransactionsofotherfinancialentities.Inareasof
armsprocurementandresourceallocationtherewouldberampantcorruption.
ThinkofBoforsscamorChopperscam.Havingsaidthatindiandefenseoperateslargely
asaveryprofessionalentityandhastrackrecordwhichgoesbacktoitsBritishlegacy.
Asfarasthescamsareconcernedthereisnodoubtthatitisthereinhigherechelonsand
itwillcontinuetobetheretillasasocietywhichgivepreferencetomoneyovervalues.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul23
Contrarytothepopularbelief,corruptionindefenceforcesisquitehighattheupperlevel.
Peopleoutsidedon'tgettoknowthesethingsbecausemediaisnotallowedindefence
forces.Ifmediaisallowed,thendailynewcasesofcorruptionwillcomeout.
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GyanDuttPandey,RetiredIndianRailwayTrafficServiceOfficer.
WrittenJul20
It'sfashionnowadaystopraisearmedforcesandeulogiestheirpatriotism.
Ionlywanttosaymanythingsinarmedforcesareoverlookedtreatingitholycow.
Theyareaspatrioticandascorruptaspublicatlarge.
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NiteshSharma
WrittenJul4
ThecivilianswhoapplyforajobintheIndianArmyhavetogothroughaveryunique
selectionprocedurewhichmakessurethatthepersonbeingappointedhasaclean
conscienceandismorallysound.Thisprocessleaveszerochancesforacorruptpersonto
getselected.herebycorruptimeancorruptinthoughtsandActionsboth.Andthisisthe
reasonwhyIndianarmydoesnotrecruitanincompetentpersoneveniftheresavacancy.
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ApartfrominitialselectionprocessArmyhasaverystronghierarchicalstructureandvery
toughtrainingroutinewhichensuresanoverall(physicalandmental)developmentofan
individual.
Secondly,thesalariesofapolicemenandanArmypersonnelsisalmostsameandchances
ofgettingbribesaremoreinacivilianjoblikepoliceetc.whichmeansalotmoremoney.so
Apersonwhosmotiveistomakemoneyonly,wouldratherjoinacivilianjobthangoinga
lotmoretoughjoblikeoneintheArmy.
conclusion:NOtheresnocorruptionintheIndianArmy.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul3
WehavenotreadaboutcorruptioninIndianArmy.ButAssamcongressgovt,wereadlot
ofstories.ForestDept,TransportDept.Ministersgrabbingprimeland.Idonotunderstand
whynolawtoconfiscateillgottenwealthinStateGovt.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul24
Yesthereis..Butasnoinvestigationisdoneonthem...Someofthemenjoybeing
corrupted..Verydominately..Ascomparedtootherdepartments..Nojawansandbelow
rankingofficersareinvolvedinit...Eveniftheyknow...Theycan'tspeakagainstthem...As
acaseofdeclaringapersonmental(majorpost)averyhighrank...Soonecanconclude
whatkindofhumiliationalowrankingofficermaysee..onlyformoney..ndegoproblem
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RahimSingh
WrittenOct12
Definitely.Thearmyhasquiteabitofcorruptionifyoudefinecorruptionmorewidely
thanjustthematerialkind.Iamalsonotspeakingabouttheprocurementandland
relatedthingsasthereisanelementofcivilianinfluencethere.
Iamtalkingaboutthearmyitselfandtheutternonsensetheygetawaywithatthehigher
ranksespecially.Thingslikegroupismonthebasisofreligion,yourregiment,whetheryou
areinfantryorarmouredcoreetc.Attheverytopthereareveryfewchecksandbalances
onpromotionsandthingslikethat.Andthesystemtrustspeopletobeimpartial.Butthey
arenot.Withholdingdeservedawardsthatcountforpromotion,changingthelineofchief
successionsothataguyfromyourowncommunitygetsin,itallhappensandthereis
nothinganyonecandoaboutitotherthanputinciviliancontrolwhichwouldactually
makethingsmuchworse.
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AJAYGAIKWAD
WrittenMar24
Mostofthepersonholdingpowerindefencemisusetheirpower.Fromfoodtoarms
deals.ThisincludedefenceofficertoJawanhavingauthority.eg foodclothingserveto
jawans.Theymisuseeverypossiblemeansegofficestationary,vehicle,menunderthem.I
knowthisbecauseIsawthis.Iexperiencethis.
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BhalPatankar,CorporateAdviserforSupportFunctionstoIndustry/Agi
activity,HobbyNonp...
WrittenJul4
ArmedForceshaveastrongstructuredapproachwhichbyitselfworksonStandard
OperatingProceduresandhenceforeverymatterthereisaclearsolution.HenceCorru
ptionhaslittlescopebutnot100%pureasinthecaseofGeneralKaulin1962whowas
gettingoutofturnpreferencefromnolessthanthethenPMNehru.
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NitinSinghal
WrittenMay15,2014
OriginallyAnswered:WhyaresomeofficersfromtheIndianArmyinvolvedincorruptioncases?
Puritycomesfromheartaswellasgenetically.Anyprofessiondoesn'tchangetheintention
ofhumaninstincttowardslife.
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Anonymous
WrittenAug6
Everwonderedwhydoalotofthearmyfolkshaveanarmybackground?Imeanisitjust
sheercoincidenceoritsthearmyblood?
WellIbelievedinthelatter.Ibelievedthatitsthediscipline(andotherthingstoo)with
whichthearmykidsareraisedthatenablesthemtoeasilycracktheSSB.Butthatsonlya
partofthereality.
IwantedtojointheIndianArmyaftercollegeandIgotthemotivationfrommybestfriend
whodreamedofbeingapilot.LetscallhimX.However,Icouldnotbecauseofaligament
tearinmywrist(fairenough).XontheotherhandcrackedtheSSBandjoinedthearmy
throughtechnicalentry.WhatIgotknowafterthatwasquiteupsetting.Itturnsoutthat
XsauntusedtobetheconductorofpsychologytestinSSBduringhercareer.Shehad
madeacalltoinquireaboutXsscoreandwhenshefoundoutthathewasmissingthe
cutoffbyafewmarks,sheaskedhercolleaguestobumpthemarksandXhadnoidea
aboutthisatthattime.Now,Xdidnthaveanarmybackgroundbutstillgotanaidfroma
source.Afterspendingayearinthetraining,Xtellsmethatwhathappenedwasquite
commonandsometimesthereisnoneedtoevenmakethecall,thathehasmetpeoplein
thetrainingwhocannotevenrunamileorperformapullupafterayearoftraining.
Oneschancesofgettingthroughalsodependuponthenumberofvacancieswhichin
turnarehandful(lessthan5seatsforComputerScienceIguess).Anditssaddeningto
imaginethattherearepeoplewhohaditeasybecauseoneoftheirparents/relativesserved
inthearmy.
Imnottryingtoimplythatarmykidsdonotdeservetobethere.Iactuallybelieveinthe
oppositebecausetheyhavebeenbroughtuplikethat.However,itsalsotruethatmanyof
themhaveanunfairadvantage.Imsuretherewouldbecaseswhereanarmykidwasnt
selected/chosenottotakeadvantage.Butifwejustfocusoncorruption,IdsayYes,its
definitelythere.
PSIstillloveX.Heisoneofthemostdeservingpeopletobeinthearmy.Ibelievehe
definitelywouldhavemadeitinanotherattempt,ifhisauntwouldnthaveinterfered.
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AnkitSrivastava,ManagerBusinessAnalytics,Insights&Strategy,MBA
(Marketing&Finance),...
WrittenJan26,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IsthereanycorruptionorinternalpoliticsinIndianArmy,AirForceorNavy?
On26thJanuaryOurRepublicDaywhenourfallensoldiersarebeinggivengallantry
awards&medals.WhentheUSPresidentforthefirsttimepresidesover.Whenthe
countryisfeelingproud.
AllthatthatYOUcandoiscomeupwithsuchfoolishquestions.
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NirbhayChaudhry,indiaagainstcastism,reservation,corruption.....
WrittenJul26
YestheiriscorruptioninIndia...ButIhaveneverseenanydefencepersonal..Accepting
it..Whoisstillservicing...butseenmanyiasipsirsacceptingit...Fortheirdept...itsIndian
mediawhosaidthatmanycrimeshavebeennotdiscussedinIndia..Relatingtodefence...
Becauseofsecurityreasons...thatiswrong...Ifsomethingiswrongpeopleareneededtobe
awared...Theiraremanysoldiersdiedforthecountry..Andifthesecorruptedpeople...
Makingitwaste...Theymustbethrownout...Myheartllbehappywhenillsalutea
soldierforhissacrifice...Notforhishighrank...StudentunionisbiggestunioninIndia...so
weonlyneedtoawarethem...:)
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SatvikSehgal
WrittenJan29,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
TheyarenotcontrolledbytheGovt.,Ihopeifmostofyourememberthespatthatthen
GenV.KSinghoftheIndianArmyhadwiththeSupremecourtandeventookManmohan
SinghtocourtontheissueofDateofBirth.
GenV.KSinghprovedthatwhatPOWERdefencestillholdsinthecountythatwasa
governedbyManmohanSinghatthattime.
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GauravSobti
WrittenJul4
GoodMorning.
Youmightfindsomeanswersatthislocalcirclecoveringcorruptioninarmy(issues,root
causes,andsolutions).
Best,
Gaurav
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SiddharthRajoli,lovereadingstrategiesandbattles
WrittenJan26,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IsthereanycorruptionorinternalpoliticsinIndianArmy,AirForceorNavy?
yesinthearmy
bythequatermasters
theybuygoodsfromspecificcompanies
anddemand5%ofthesupply
alsotheTATAtruckscam
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ShubhamJain
WrittenJan27
Noindianarmyisnotcorrupt..Butindianarmyofficersarethemostcorrupt
persons(majorgeneral,general)inourcountry.
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ArpitBajpai
WrittenJul4
Yes,theyare.10%ofanydeal/contractisthenorm.Butitvaries.
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Anonymous
WrittenJul26
CORRUPTION
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YES!!!YES!!!
There'sdefinitelyCORRUPTIONinarmedforces
Thoughumaynotbelieveme,
(PlzplzignoremyEnglish,grammar...Iknowmycommunicationskillsare
veryweakbutIamjustwritingthistogiveuaninsideoutlookofthemost
respectedorganization)
Butsincemebeingadefencebratknowsaboutthis
MyfatherwasinArmy,
onedaymenmyDadwerewatchingTVandonsomenewschanneltheywereshowingall
thescamshappenedinthetenureoftheUPAgovernment.Sowehadaconversationlike
this:Dad(D),Me(M)
Mthankfullydadthere'snocorruptionindefenceforces
Dwhosaid
Mwhat?
Dwhosaidthere'snocorruptioninarmedforcesChaltujeaajsabkuchbatatahu
CorruptioninArmyisnolessthanthatinanyothergovernmentorganization
Indiamecorruptionharjagahhai,firarmykyacheejhai
1.ifuwanttojoinarmythroughasoldierrankpostucaneasilydothatby
payingagentsarnd1.52lakhs,andtheseagentshavecontactswithofficers
UpTotherankMAJOR&Lt.COLONEL
2.ifuwanttochangeUrpostingortheareatowhichuhavebeenpostedto
peacefulfamilystation..thatcanalsobeeasilydonebypayingarnd40kto
seniorofficials.
3.everyonemusthavereadaboutthefamousAUGSTAchopperscaminthat
alsoseniorofficerswereinvolved....orthefaultybootsgiventosoldiersat
siachen
4.Wheneverugetnewposting(ortransfer)thearmypaysutheamountthat
musthaveoccurredinshiftingofUrhouseholditemsoryourbike,caretc...
Nowwhatpeopledoisthattheshowsfakeduplicatebillstoincreasethe
claimamount(egtheoriginallyoccurredcostwas15k...buttheyproduce
billsofarndRs5060k
5.DuringtheannualUNITgettogetherUrafamilypicnic
Fundsaregiventoorganizethepicnic
Bringgiftsforchildrenetc...etc
NowwhattheJCOortheofficialdoesishebringsjustsmallstiffinboxesUrpencilfor
childrenofarndRs50...andchargearndRs300fromtheUNITfund.
Therearemanymoredifferentspotswherethereiscorruptionlikeinrepairingof
basketballcourtatbases....settingupofgym...otherfacilities....atarmybases...
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VikasMishra,Ilovereading.Ihavemyownwayofthinkingwhichmaynotbecocentric
with...
WrittenMar29,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IstheIndianarmyfreefromcorruption?
Ifsomeonesayyesthenthepersonisignorant...
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SiddharthAmbroise
WrittenJul4
Yesthereiscorruptioninthearmedforcesbutit'snotrampant.Theincidentsarerather
smallandisolatedandmanyatimeswedon'tevenhearaboutthembutthatdoesnot
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meanitdoesn'thappen.Mostofficersandmentaketheirtrainingtoheartandbelievein
doingthejobrightjustbecauseitshouldbedoneright.
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Anonymous
WrittenJan21,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
Sorry
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AbhayTripathi,AR{CLASSIFIED}
WrittenJul19
NotinternallyintheArmybuttherearemanyscamsorcorruptiondonebytheinfluence
ofpoliticalleadersofindia.OurArmyisveryclean,asitwasaskedbyapoliticalleaderto
disclosetheno.ofhinduandmuslimsoldiers.butourarmychiefrefusedtoreleasethe
data..asthereisnodatalikesuchinourarmy..thisisamatterofbeingproudtobea
indian,withsoldierswhoareriskingtherelifetokeepussafe..!!
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ArunPrasad
WrittenJan21,2015
OriginallyAnswered:IndianArmy:WhyarearmedforcesinIndiacorrupt?
Becausetheyareultimatelycontrolledbypoliticians
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ChinmayJoshi,Politicsis90%observation,1%actionsand9%Timing...
WrittenJul22
Ithappenedwithoneofmyfriendsbrother..LetuscallhimX..
X,hisbrotherandsomeofthefriendsweregoingtoPunecityfrommytownwhichis
about23kmsaway..Thereismilitaryestablishmentareamidway..
Xwantedtoanswernature'scallbadlyandunfortunatelychoseavastvacantlandnextto
militaryestablishmentcompound,unawareofthefactthatthelandisalsoownedby
defenceministry...Themaingatewasaboutgood400metersaway..Hestoppedhisbike
onroadsideandwent1015stepsinsidethefield..Assoonashestartedtopee,aguardon
oneofthewatchtowersinsidethecompoundwallshoutedattopofhislungs..Sincethe
guardwasstillabout200metersawayandinsidethecompoundwall,Xchosetoignore
himandcontinuedhisprogram..
HefinishedITandstartedhisbikeagain..Tohissurprisetheroadinfrontofthemilitary
areamaingatewasblockedand56jawanswerewaitingforhim..Beingfromarichand
politicallyactivefamilyhewascompletelyignorantofthepossibleconsequences..Whenhe
wasstoppedandaskedabouthisactionshetriedtoshowoffpoliticalpositionand
influence..Stilljawanswerenitbudgingandaskedhimtoapologize...
Thenhetookoutthewalletandofferedrs500note..
Thatwasit..Thejawanswereveryfuriousanddecidedtoteachhimalessonforlifetime..
Nextmomenthereceivedahardslapandlostatooth..Thenhewasmadetowalkbackall
thewaytocrimescene..Hewasforcedtopickupallthewetsoil,fillinhispocketsanddo
10uthakbaithak...Whileleavingthejawanjustsaid"paisekarobaagesekisifaujikomat
dikhana..Jaantakdeshkenaamkartehai,paisakyacheezhai.."
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AkshayR.Chikhale,Researcher&ObserverOfRigidIndianPolitics
UpdatedAug17
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IthinkIcananswerthisquestioninthebestwaybecauseIhadsufferedfromthis
situation&candifferentiatewellbetweenarmy&statepolicesituationregarding
corruption.
IvisitedKashmirlastmonth.AfterspendingadayatPehalgam(thatwasourlastvisiting
pointofourKashmirtour)weheadedtowardsJammuviaPatnitop(MiniKashmir)to
boardourtraintoDelhithefollowingday.
AsperourplanningweleftPehalgamataround4P.M.&wereachedPatnitopnearlyat9
P.M.Ittakescloseto5hourstocompletethe180kmdistancebetweenPehalgam&
Patnitop.WhiletravellingfromPehalgamtoPatnitopIunderstandthedifferencebetween
Army&localPolice&thiswillhelpmetoprovethehonestyofoursoldiers&their
devotiontowardsthenation.
Asthereisalotsofhills&theroadsaresurroundedbyforest,Armydoesregularpatrolling
there&theyhavevariouscheckpointsthroughouttheway.Lotsofterrorattackshad
happenedthere,soCRPFhastheresponsibilitytosecurethehighway.Therearesome
checkpointsofJammu&Kashmirpolicetoo,butattheendofthisansweryouwillrealize
howimportant&essentialtheyactuallyareascomparedtoourarmy.
Sowewerealmost20kmsawayfromPatnitop&itwasaround8'oclock&thesunwas
readytoset.Iwassittinginthefrontnexttothedriver&suddenlyonemanstoppedour
car.Hecametous&askforthevehicledocuments.HewasaCRPFJawan.
Heaskedusthefollowingquestions,
Soldier:Whoareyou?
I:Wearetourists&wehavearoomatPatnitop.
Soldier:Howmanypeopleareinsidethevehicle?
I:Weare5peopleincludingthedriver.
Thenheaskedustoshowourluggagewhichwehadputontheroofofourcar&wehad
covereditwithaplasticsheetasitwasrainingthere.Werequesthimnottoopenitaswe
hadarrangeditafteralotofeffortbuthedeniedourrequest&checkedourluggage
anyway.
Afterthiswholeprocesshesaidtomethat,"Wehavetoensuresafetyofpeoplelike
youotherwiseIwouldnothaveforcedyoutodoso"
Afterhearingthisstatementfromhimwewereindilemmawhethertoshowourangeror
whetherweshouldbeproudofhim&wechoosethesecondone.Hewasrightjustbecause
ofbraveheartslikehimIndiansbordersaresafetoday.Hecan'tstopcheckingvehicleson
thebasisofpeople'srequest.
Afterwardhealsohelpedustoarrangeourluggage.
WetoldhimthatIndiansareproudofHim.Inresponsehesmiled&allowedustogo.
Aftercoveringaround2kmtherewasaJ&Kpolicecheckpoint&theystoppedustoo.
Onepolicemancametous&askedthedrivertoshowthevehicle'sdocument.After
verifyingthatdocuments,heaskedthedrivertocomeoutofthevehicle&showthe
luggage.
DrivertoldhimthatwehadalreadyshowedittotheArmyatthepreviouscheckpoint.
Afterhearingthis,policemandraggedhimtowardhisseniorofficerwhowastakinga
napinpatrollingvehicle.Theybothstartedarguingwithdriver.After10minutesof
dramathedrivercametous&askedfor50.Igavehima50note&he
handeditovertothepoliceman.Thenheallowedustogo.
AftergettingoutofthereIaskedthedriveraboutthesituation.
Hetoldmethatthepolicemanaskedhimfor100insteadofluggage
checkingbutattheendhesettledfor50.
WeallwerelikeWTF!
Whatiftherealterroristcomes,willtheJ&Kpolicedothesamewiththemtoo&ifYES
thenweonlyhavehopefromtheArmy.
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OurdrivertoldusthatArmyneveraskedhimforabribe,Hetoldusthatduring15yearsof
hisexperienceasadriveronthatroutearmyneverallowedhimwithoutsecuritycheckbut
J&Kpolicehasnothingtowiththattheyarepresenttherejustformoney.
CanJ&Kpoliceeventhinkhowmuchcostcountrywillneedtopayfortheir
50bribe?ThankstoourJawanswhoarepresentthereasfirstlineof
defenseotherwisesecurityofthisnationwouldbelikeBhagwanBharose.
SothosewhoareraisingquestionregardingcorruptiononIndianArmyhopethiswill
makeyouunderstandtherealtruthnotapseudoone.
SalutetoourArmy.
AProudIndian
AnswerBasedOnRealSituation
Place:Patnitop(MiniKashmir)
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BhaskarDabhi,CrazyArmyFan.
UpdatedJul17
Onetrueincidentthathappenedwithme:
OncemeandMyfriendswerevisitingWhiteRannofKutchfirsttime.Theareais
monitoredbyIndianArmy.
Ifanyonewanttogotherethentheyhavetopayentryfeeatsomevillagewhichis10km
awayfromtheRannofkutch.Onlyonthatentryticket,Armypersonallowyoutoenter
thewhitedesert.
Unfortunately,wedidntknowthatandwenttowhiteRanndirectlyandArmyperson
stoppedusfromenteringaswedidn'thaveticket.Westartedapologisingforthemistake
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andtoldthemthatpleaseallowustoenteraswedon'twanttogoback10kmandtravel
samedistancebackaswehavetravelalmost120Km.
Whilenegotiating(actuallyapologising)withthem,wetriedmanythingstoconvincethem
toletusgobuttheydidntletusin.
Meanwhileoneofmyfriendsaid,"Sir,Janedona.Jopaisehotehevolelo.(Sir,Pleaselet
usgo.Youcanchargeusforsame)".
Armymansaid"SirHumpolicewalenhihe.(Wearenotpoliceofficers)".The
wordstouchedourhearts.Atlast,theyletusgoonlyonourIdentificationproofwithout
payinganything.Thoughwepaidtheamountonourwayback.
Note:
Whilesaying"Sir,Janedona.Jopaisehotehevolelo.",wedidnthaveanyintentionto
bribethearmypersonbutweactuallymeantthattheycantakeentryfeefromtheirends.
AFAIK:Corruptioninarmyisveryverylesscomparedtootherprofession
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MehboobAhmadKhan,IcanansweronwiderangeoftopicsfromReligion,International
GeoPolitics
UpdatedJul7
TherearecorruptpeopleinalltheorganizationsandIndianArmyisnoexception.They
sellextremelydangerousMATURITYEATINGProcessedfoodsintheirCanteens
Bournvita,otherhealthdrinksandSodadrinksharmfulforheightandotherhuman
organfunctions.TheyhaveaverypoorMedicalTeststandardsandendupselecting
peoplewithPsychiatricdisorders,whichenablessuchpeopletomarryandcreate
UNHAPPYfamilies.IntheirPublicSchoolstheyemployUNRULYandARROGANT
CivilianteacherswhogiveCORPORALPUNISHMENTtoSMALLCHILDREN,
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punishmentslikeMakingtobendlikeacockwhichisanimpedimenttoachildsheight
growth.IndianArmywhileallthewhilestealsawaythelovesofusciviliansinthenameof
ForyourTodaywegaveourTomorrow,allthewhileschemingwithenemiesofIndiatolet
loosetheTERRORISTSthroughtheLOCandotherpoints(whilethetopGeneralsof
MilitaryIntelligenceandInfantryUnitsgainmillionsintheiraccounts)whowreakhavoc
inlovelycitieslikeMumbai,Bengaluru,AhmedabadandPune.Onepersonclosetome
whosefamilymemberwasinanInfantryUnitofArmytoldmethathiscolleagueanASC(
ArmyServiceCorps)personnelwasCourtMartialledandCashieredfromtheservicefor
stealingtonsofArmyRationandsellingitinBlackMarketintheCivil.Armyfake
recruitmentdrivesareaconstantnormsnowadays.ThemostCorruptUnitsofIAare
AMCandASC.
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