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TRUMP BY MATT TAIBBI Trump Truthers


50th ANNIVERSARY YEAR

Revolution in Rojava matt taibbis the end of


Facts [RS 1281/1282] only fur-
MIGOS-MANIA THE DUDES
A WILD NIGHT
WITH HIP-HOPS VS.ISIS
AMERICAN
In RS 1281/1282, contributor Seth Harp traveled to the front ther paints liberals as whining
FAB THR ARCHISTS
ON THE
lines of Syria to prole Western leftists ghting with the snowflakes. We already know
FRONT
LINES IN Kurds against the Islamic State [The Anarchists vs. ISIS]. this administration reinvents
SYRIA
Readers, some of whom know the subjects, responded. facts, but what are we going to
do about it?
a s t h e fou rt h- gr a de tom m y mrck says he AJ Fortunato
teacher of Brace Belden suffered from bipolar disor- Silver Spring, MD

JOHN and as a lefty myself Im der until he realized it was

OLIVER
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proud of him for putting the modern world that was i t ru ly fou n d m y sel f
his life where his mouth is, sick. Id like to think Im not thinking when I read Taibbis
THE ROLLING STONE unlike many of us liber- overly sensitive, but to pre- line about Trumps staff tear-
INTERVIEW
als. He was such a creative, sent a serious mental-health ing apart tradition like a troop
funny kid. issue with such a dismissive of apes let loose in the Louvre
Olivers War Cry Katie Gibbs, Portland, OR tone is dangerous. that the comparison was insult-
Brooke Goodman, Boston ing to apes.
there is a war going on amazing story. one of Risa Bernasconi
over the new administra- the men is a dear old friend tha nk you, seth harp, Via the Internet
tions warped sense of reality, of my daughter. Hes also my for coming to Rojava to re-
and John Oliver [The Roll- new hero. Heartbreaking yet port a great article. If anyone Rock Stars Revolt
i ng St on e Inter view, RS encouraging all at once.
1281/1282] is a formidable
weapon against such absurdity,
You go, fellows!
Monica Collins
THE ANARCHISTS VS. ISIS
On the front lines of Syria with the
i am proud of the artists
who join us in protesting the
young American radicals fighting
the Islamic State BY SETH HARP

offering fact, reason and a focus San Francisco damage being done by the
on issues. His segments unfold Grifter in Chief [Rocks New
with surgical precision, and his t h e k u r d s h av e Protest Era, RS 1281/1282]. We
dry humor and wit make them been fighting ISIS for will protest the entire four years
engaging and entertaining. years w ithout much of this nightmare.
Scott Oliver, Gorham, ME support. Bravo to these Nathan Pinnhead
young revolutionaries, Via the Internet
for the first time in my who are idealistic and pas- has questions or wants more
50-plus years, Ive just read an sionate and determined. I stories, pictures or videos, Shania Speaks Up
interview of a man by a man in admire their ideals and their message me on Facebook.
which one of the questions is camaraderie. I also love that Revolutionary greetings! spa s modic dy sphon i a is
about work/life balance after feminism is a core principle. Tommy Mrck devastating [Shanias Hard
the birth of his first child. Hal- Linda Maley, Phoenix Ayn Issa, Rojava, Syria Road Back, RS 1281/1282].
lelujah! In a year in which it Doctors said Id never regain a
feels like all we are doing is normal speaking voice, but a
walking backward, Rolling Atlanta All-Stars this kind of talk for what it is: healthy lifestyle and avoiding
Stone just showed me that bullshit that shouldnt be toler- stress help a lot. After reading
progress continues forward. migos are the beatles of ated in any form. Twains book, I saw childhood
Brenda VanHorn this generation [Hip-Hops Nick Arneson trauma as a possible cause too.
Casablanca, Morocco Fab Three, RS 1281/1282]? De- Via the Internet Carry on, Shania. Youre one
lusion runs rampant when some strong woman.
as a proud h at-w e a ring artists become rich and famous. Vote by Numbers Donna Austin Horan
(Make Donald Drumpf Again) They will not have 1/50th the Ontario
viewer of Last Week Tonight, impact on the world that the good piece from tim dick-
I was happy to see Oliver on the Beatles did. Congrats on all the inson [What the People Really
cover. After last weeks show, success, but, seriously? Want, RS 1281/1282], but un- Contact Us
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ON TELEVISION*

BEST
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BEST
COMEDY
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MY LIST

OUR FAVORITE SONGS, ALBUMS AND VIDEOS RIGHT NOW

2. Girlpool
123
This raw, minimal L.A.
punk duo blew us away Neil
with the bruising inti-
macy of their 2015 debut,
Before the World Was
Diamond
Big. Here, they push past Five Songs That
that murmured intensity
and go for shouty guitar
Inuenced Me
catharsis, like theyre
ready to leave their room In celebration of his 50th
and bumrush the world. anniversary as a record-
ing artist, Diamond is
hitting the road this year
1. Amin 3. Alt-J
for a world tour.

Redmercedes 3WW Lonnie Donegan


Portland rapper Amin isnt a The beguiling U.K. crew Rock Island Line
superstar yet, but he should returns with a prog-rock I rst heard this when
be. This ecstatic ode to his ride puzzle that somehow I started playing guitar.
It was a combination of

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(Trunk so big it could t my mutates into a moving,
reverend) is an instant hip- heartfelt ballad. In ve folk and rock & roll, and it
hop car classic. minutes, youll go from angled me into the world
confused to crying. of Woody Guthrie.

The Everly Brothers


4. Low Cut Connie Bye Bye Love
Revolution Rock n Roll
6. Fleet Foxes If you were a teenager
Third of May/daigahara into music at this time,
If the New York Dolls had done a ses- you loved the Everly
sion with Jerry Lee Lewis, itd sound The latest installment of the Foxes beardly neo-folk adds
a Pink Floyd/Radiohead laser-show vibe to their homespun Brothers. Anybody could
a lot like the Philadelphia rockers new do harmonies, but no-
one a political anthem drunkenly CSNY craft. Its a bold new way to tousle your beard.
body had their sound.
teetering on platform heels.
Peter, Paul and Mary
Blowin in the Wind
This actually talked about
current events. It spoke
about an issue that
had been boiling for
years and was ready to
make itself known.

The Rolling Stones


Satisfaction
7. Nicki Minaj This had a black groove,
Regret in not only by white people
but non-American white
Your Tears people. They were as
Minaj just released responsible as the Beatles
three songs, including for the British Invasion.
a dragon-re diss
5. Benjamin Booker track aimed at rival
Remy Ma, and Ritchie Valens
Witness this darkly lilting La Bamba
Like his pal Jack White, this New Or- breakup banger. It had the most infectious
leans boogie-blues revivalist delivers I dont chase, I rhythm, with a certain
his throwbacks with a modern wink. replace em, she magic that you hope for
Check the wry distortion he slathers sings. Its the when you make a record.
over Witness. With soul matron tender way she It was also fresh, with a
Mavis Staples helping out, theres does it that great groove.
plenty of old-school spirit here too. hits so deep.

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BOOKS R EAL LIVES OF ROCK MOMS P. 1 9 | Q&A FATHER JOHN MIST Y P. 2 0

Rock ll
HAVING A BLAST

Green Theres a sense


of gratitude every
night, says
Armstrong.

Days
New
Fire
Arena tour includes
marathon gigs, lots
of American Idiot
BY A N DY G R E E N E

i l l i e joe a r m-

B strong is sit ting


backstage at the
Verizon Center in
Washington, D.C., about a
mile from the White House,
where Donald Trump is cur-
rently meeting with Republi-
cans about a health care plan
that would rob 24 million
Americans of their insur-
ance. But Armstrong is not
planning to talk about the
news onstage. I dont want
to go negative, he says. I
feel like its a way of throwing
more fuel on the re. Were in
a bit of a crisis mode, and for
me its more important that
people feel unity when they
CHRIS DUGAN/GREEN DAY

come to a show.
But once he hit the stage,
Armstrong couldnt help him-
self. During Letterbomb, one

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R&R
The show also includes a lot of old tra-
ditions. Armstrong invites a kid onstage
to sing Longview (he does so well that
Armstrong asks if hes trying to steal his
job). He also brings up a 16-year-old girl
to play guitar on Operation Ivys Knowl-
edge. Its a stunt Green Day rst tried in
1995, during a rough night. It lit up the
whole room and changed the show for me,
says Armstrong. Dirnt says the move has
backred only once: About 20 years ago,
I let a kid play my bass, and he thought
it would be cool to smash it at the end.
It took everything I had to not knock his
fucking teeth out.
But the American Idiot songs get the
TIME OF biggest cheers of the night especially
YOUR LIFE during the title track, when Armstrong
Dirnt (right), breaks his no-negativity promise and
side musicians shouts, Fuck Donald Trump! Backstage,
Jeff Matika and Armstrong is careful to say that hes not
Jason White, buying into the idea that Bush is tame
and Cool compared with Trump. As far as Im con-
(from left)
cerned, Bush is a war criminal, he says.
With Trump, we have no idea. Right now
of seven songs Green Day play from their word of the song. We live an alternative its just a freak show.
Bush-era protest LP, American Idiot, he lifestyle, but within that we nd normality, The tour continues through September,
launches into a rant about the Trump ad- says Dirnt, who is also happy to be touring when the band plays the 92,000-seat Rose
ministrations assault on truth. I cant again after a difficult hiatus in which his Bowl in L.A. Despite being Rock and Roll
stand any more of these goddamn conspir- wife recovered from cancer. I was doing Hall of Famers 32 years into their career,
acy theories, he screams. Im sick of the these insane workouts, running around Green Day are still nding new ways to
blatant lies and the half-truths and the un- a lake in Oakland. I stopped one day and have fun every night. Yesterday, we were
truths! I want the truth! He gets agitated started walking, and I thought, What the playing and Mike looked over at me, and I
when he sees a fan up front filming. If fuck am I working out so hard for? I dont icked this imaginary booger at him, says
youre looking through a screen, you arent have anything coming up. A good reason drummer Tre Cool. He caught the imagi-
looking at me, he says. You stare at that to tour is having a great record. Were play- nary booger in his mouth. Little shit like
cellphone for 24 hours a day. Not tonight! ing half of it and the fans are loving it. that is still cool.
Its just one cathartic moment during the
arena set a 33-song, two-and-a-half-hour
marathon heavy on Nineties clas-
sics as well as the bands new
album, Revolution Radio. The
Inside Green Days
group is fully warmed up after
a long club tour last year, its rst New Set List
gigs since Armstrong kicked an
addiction to prescription drugs The band breaks down ve highlights
in 2013. Sometimes I have to get from the Revolution Radio shows
a B12 shot just to keep up, Arm-
strong says. But I actually have Bang Bang Their new anti-gun-violence single has quickly
more energy now than ever. I have become a crowd favorite. There are plenty of explosions, indicated
with a bomb image on the set list (the re signals pyro). Everyone
a sense of gratitude every night, goes insane, says Dirnt. Its like, now the show is on.
and now that were touring again,
I have a reason to get dressed in Longview I love watching Mike and Tre play it, says Armstrong
the morning. of their Dookie classic. I like to watch the musicianship, hearing Mike
That sentiment was clear at play that bass line.
FROM TOP: GREG SCHNEIDER/GREEN DAY; GRIFFIN LOTZ

soundcheck. After a long drive from Minority The 2000 single has taken on a new life live. When
Virginia, the band blasted through Warning came out, people were like, What the hell are you doing?
several songs for an audience of only says Dirnt, referring to the bands folky sixth album. Now, its so many
two: bassist Mike Dirnts kids Ryan and Green Day fans favorite record.
Brixton, age six and eight, respectively,
Basket Case After thousands of performances, Armstrong
who ran wild up and down the empty never tires of this 1994 hit. Its an anthem for weirdos, he says. Its
aisles of the arena, around bemused about losing your mind. Most people have had that experience.
security guards. During the 1997 deep
cut King for a Day, Armstrong de- Jesus of Suburbia All three members cite this nine-minute
cided to join them, grabbing his wire- American Idiot epic as their favorite. Says Cool, We all have our
moments to stand out. Its pummeling and emotional at the same time.
less mic and chasing Brixton into the
concession area, all while nailing every

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R&R

Chuck Berrys Final Gift


The 90-year-old godfather of rock & roll no longer
performs, but his rst album in 40 years is on the way
BY PAT R ICK D OY L E

daughter Ingrid about what to expect from old age. (That song

C
huck berry pl ayed his l ast concert on octo-
ber 15th, 2014, three days shy of his 88th birthday, at St. brought my mom close to tears, says his son, Charles Berry Jr.,
Louis Blueberry Hill. But like many of his recent perfor- who plays guitar on several songs.) In Dutchman, Berry wanders
mances, it was rough. Berry had trouble hearing, causing into a bar and tells the patrons his story: I used to be an artist/
him to play off-key, and he forgot lyrics. The audience was with Not one who sits and ddles out on the curb/In my day and time,
him the whole way, says Joe Edwards, owner of Blueberry Hill, my music was considered superb.
where Berry appeared once a month for 21 years. But sometimes After releasing Rock It, Berry turned his attention to tour-
hed come off and say, Oh, man, I couldve done a little better. ing the oldies circuit. On the airplanes, hed always be writing,
Berry, who always drove himself to shows, told Edwards he want- says Jimmy Marsala, his frequent bass player since the early
ed to take the winter off, so he wouldnt have to drive in the snow. Seventies. Berry recorded at his Berry Park compound outside
St. Louis throughout the Eighties, but a
re in 1989 destroyed the tapes. My dad
was determined to re-create as much of it
as he could, says Charles Jr. Chuck later
learned to use Pro Tools, and often invited
his band over to play the parts hed writ-
ten on piano. Hed be waving his long n-
gers, encouraging the guys to try things,
says Edwards. Chuck would play the re-
cordings for Themetta: My mom would
give a thumbs up or a thumbs down, says
Charles Jr. Thumbs up, he was done.
Thumbs down, Ive got more work to do.
Berry discussed the material in 2012: I
have six songs that have been ready for 16
years now. As soon as I can get someone to
guide me in that, Im gonna come back and
push em out, if you know what I mean.
But touring always came rst. Charles
Jr. tells a story about a 2007 European
tour when they played 17 shows in 18 days,
with the 81-year-old Berry driving him-
self between countries. It would wear
on him, he says. But when it was time
HAIL, HAIL Ive
worked on this
to do that show, he was rolling. At that
record for a long point eightysomething years old, he had
time, said Berry. the energy of a 10-year-old child. It was
Now I can hang inspirational.
up my shoes! After retiring from performing, Berry
turned over most business decisions to
his family, who in 2015 hired lawyer Gary
Berry has not made a public appearance since. Which is why Pierson to sort through label offers to release the music, eventually
its so surprising that in June he will release Chuck, his rst new settling on Nashvilles Dualtone. Though his family wont go into
album since 1979s Rock It. Made up of material recorded between detail about how much Berry was involved, Pierson insists Berry
1991 and 2014, the set is full of the music he invented in the Fifties: has authorized the project. Everybody wanted to do what Chuck
sped-up blues, double-stringed-guitar breaks, heavy wordplay. wanted, Pierson says. Hes 90, so he did need some help with the
Lady B. Goode is a sequel to Johnny B. Goode, and Jamaica nal steps, with making it all happen.
Moon is a rewrite of Havana Moon. (In 2001, Berry said he was Now, Berry spends his days watching TV on two giant side-by-
reworking the song because he felt Havana Moon wasnt a hit due side screens: news on one, baseball on the other. He stopped driv-
to Fidel Castro, the whole Communist Cuba thing.) ing, and hes getting over a bout of pneumonia that has been dif-
But the album is also uncharacteristically reective for Berry. cult to bounce back from. Time is marching on, says Edwards.
In a statement last year, he dedicated Chuck to Themetta Toddy But hes still smiling. He still laughs. He describes a conversation
Berry, his wife of 68 years: My darlin, Im growing old! Ive with Berry a year and a half ago, when Edwards brought up the
DANNY CLINCH

worked on this record for a long time. Now I can hang up my album: You could tell he was really happy it was nally done. He
shoes! He sings about her on the rollicking Wonderful Woman. said, Joe, this might be my last album. And he got a look on his
The gospel-steeped Darlin, meanwhile, is a love letter to his face. Not the whimsical, joking Chuck Berry real serious.

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Spoon frontman Britt Daniel is tired of being an indie-rock hero: People say that when they mean junior-level
rock & roll, he says. For the bands excellent new LP, Hot Thoughts, Daniel aimed big, embracing synths and
the sounds of his arena-packing childhood heroes. Heres a guide to the acts that inspired the album. KORY GROW

SPOONFUL
Bruce Springsteen Bassist Rob Pope,
Daniel divides songwriting guitarist Fischel,
into two schools: Sometimes Daniel and drummer
you set out with clear inten- Jim Eno (from left)
tions to write a song I call that
the Springsteen way, he says.
Sometimes lyrics lead you. I call
that the Paul Simon way. Dan-
iel recorded the moody rocker
WhisperIllListenToHearIt
after seeing Springsteen live last
year. With lyrics like Someday
youll be where you should go,
its an imaginary conversation
between Daniel and his dad.
He thinks because Im not mar-
ried that Im lonely, Daniel says.
Id argue with that. The fre-
netic guitar solo is inspired by
the sax solos on The River.
Its a fucking blastoff, says
Alex Fischel.

which strives for the creepy, ing Sense. The Hot Thoughts
Springsteen
melancholy vibe of Purple sessions began with an acous- Johnny Cash
Rain. Its Prince-iest mo- tic song Daniel calls After going through a Cash
ment is the keyboard the best thing Id phase, Daniel set out to write
coda. When he did written. But then I a mythic-outsider tough-guy
horn parts on Ober- thought, Do I want song. He wrote the somber I
heim synths, he took this on the record? Aint the One. But after a night
traditional R&B fac- I want to do some- of heavy drinking, he hit the stu-
ets and made it sound thing like the Talk- dio and turned it into a dance-y
like the future, says ing Heads instead. breakup shrieker: There might
Daniel. I see parallels to The bands inf lu- have been some mari-
Byrne
this record. ence can be heard juana involved, says
on tracks like the standout Daniel. We gave it
FROM TOP, LEFT TO RIGHT: ZACKERY MICHAEL; RICHARD MCCAFFREY/MICHAEL

Do I Have to Talk You Into a late-night kind of


OCHS ARCHIVES/GETTY IMAGES; ROBERTA BAYLEY/REDFERNS/GETTY IMAGES;

Talking Heads It, full of huge hooks and feeling.


Daniel has been channeling synths.
MIRRORPIX/EVERETT COLLECTION; HULTON ARCHIVE/GETTY IMAGES

Talking Heads for years: In


the early 2000s, he played a
Prince show accompanied only by a Dr. Dre
Daniel calls Prince and David boombox a move he copped In recent years, Daniel
Bowie two of his biggest in- from David Byrne in Stop Mak- has become obsessed
f luences. To lose them both with West Coast rap.
Cash
was heavy, he says. Watching Prince He cites Dr. Dres
Prince was like watching Gods production as an
love. It was superhuman. After i n spi r at ion for
Princes death, Daniel delved tracks like Can
deep, buying 160 CDs of live I Sit Next to You,
and unreleased Eighties mate- which is highlighted
rial on eBay. Princes inuence by a gliding synth
is all over Hot Thoughts, says phrase straight out of The
Daniel, especially on Pink Up, Chronic.

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2
3

1
Virginia and Dave Grohl.
Janis and Amy
inehouse; Janis battled
ys career was
ending. (3) Warren
ynes and his mother,
aylor. (4) Dr. Dre
erna Griffin,
old her children that
y wanted nice things
y had to earn their
wn way. (5) Tom and
endy Morello; as a young
oman she taught school
t a U.S. Air Force base
5 y.
4

The Real Lives of Rock Moms


In a new book, Dave Grohls mother, Virginia, dives
deep into the joys and difficulties of raising a star
CLOCKWISE FROM TOP LEFT: COURTESY OF VIRGINIA GROHL; COURTESY OF JANIS WINEHOUSE;

They all said, Oh, theres nothing ter, Amy, from addiction inspired

V
irginia hanlon grohl was
a high school English teacher interesting about me except for the singers 2006 hit Rehab. The
from 1959 to 1995. But the rst my son or daughter. And then it Amy Winehouse story hits close to
time she needed a substitute was turned out that wasnt true at all. home because there are some par-
in 1992, when her son, Dave, was mak- In Texas, Virginia met Miranda allels between Amy and Kurt [Co-
COURTESY OF ELLEN TAYLOR; COURTESY OF VERNA GRIFFIN; TOM STONE

ing an appearance on national TV. Nir- Lamberts mom, Bev, who used bain], says Dave Grohl, who wrote
vana was playing Saturday Night Live, to be a private investigator (in- the books foreword.
and I went to New York to see them, she cluding on the Paula Jones case Like Kurts mom, Wendy Co-
says. Charles Barkley was the host, and I against Bill Clinton). In Toron- bain, Virginia was a single mother.
told my class Id get him to sign some au- to, she talked to Geddy Lees mom, Mary She writes movingly about her relation-
tographs. But if there were any [bad] re- Weinrib, a Holocaust survivor who raised a ship with Wendy, and argues that educa-
ports from the substitute, then they would family alone after her husband died. Mike tors can create arts programs that meet
be null and void. Ds mom, Hester Diamond, is a very high- the needs of bright kids who dont quite t
Virginia, in her late seventies, has at- powered woman in the art world, Virginia in. She understands there are some kids
tended dozens of her sons shows with Nir- says. When Mike wanted to be a Beastie who work outside of conventional systems,
vana and Foo Fighters over the years, and kind of boy, she was totally accepting. Dave says. As for her own sons legendary
was always surprised how rarely she ran Most of the women who appear are par- good nature, Virginia remains amazed. I
into other moms out on the road. So she ents of especially well-adjusted artists didnt need to tell him that even when we
decided to track some down, and ended up (Josh Groban, Adam Levine, Tom Morel- just had peanut butter and jelly for dinner
interviewing 18 mothers of famous musi- lo). One striking exception is Janis Wine- he should still say thank you, she recalls.
cians for her book, From Cradle to Stage. house, whose attempts to save her daugh- He thanked me every time. JON DOLAN

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ming dynamo at the center of all of it.

I
Q&A
ts a monday a fter noon in
New York, but Father John Misty There is so much animosity for Hillary
has already taken LSD. It helps Clinton in that world that people like
with my depression and anxiety, my parents vote for Donald Trump.
says Misty, real name Josh Tillman, What obligations do artists have to
slumped on a couch at the Bowery combat Trump?
Hotel. Its just a thing that works for People kept asking me what I was
me. Thirty-six hours earlier, the sing- going to do on SNL. I think you only
er made his biggest appearance yet, on have to pull stunts if the content of
Saturday Night Live, performing two your music is meaningless. Artists
tracks from Pure Comedy, his morbid need to consider whether they can live
and hilarious third LP, which takes a with themselves if theyre just singing
hard look at narcissism, Internet ad- about breakups and whatever. Lorde
diction and PC culture in the age of is on the show next week. The dichot-
Trump. I couldnt believe they booked omy between my performance and
me, says Tillman, who played drums hers . . . Im not gonna get into this. We
in Fleet Foxes until 2012, and broke need to realize there can be different
out with 2015s I Love You, Honeybear. types of music. But people only want
The SNL afterparty was everything symbolic victories in pop music, where
he hoped it would be: There was de- you can vaguely project feminism even
bauchery. I think I was out until noon though the industry is so clearly anti-
the next day. woman. If its vague enough, narcis-
sists can project. And we are living in
On SNL, you sang the line bedding Tay- a narcissist culture, so it makes per-
lor Swift every night inside the Oculus fect sense.
Rift. There was a lot of outrage after- Its hard not to be bummed out while lis-
ward. You must have seen that coming. tening to Pure Comedy.
The press wont get peoples atten- Well, theres a difference between
tion by writing, Area man sings about art and entertainment. Entertain-
the potential narcotic, soul-killing ment is really about forgetting about
hazards of entertainment. And who your life, and art is about remember-
elses name rhymes with Oculus Rift? I ing your life. Sometimes remembering
lost sleep over it because I knew what I your life involves stronger emotions
was doing. I did all kinds of acrobatics than the narcotic glow of entertain-
in my head to nd a way around it and ment. Jimmy Fallon is a fucking enter-
change the lyric, but ultimately I had tainer. What Ive set out to do is more
to sing what I wrote. Nothing I can do than to just entertain.
is going to please people who are deter- You have songwriting credits on Beyon-
mined to get bent out of shape about cs and Lady Gagas new albums. What
something. You have to be willfully did those experiences teach you?
ignorant of the fact the song is about I gotta be careful here, but I will say
more than that. this: When the average person imag-
Still, its hard to think of a single person ines how a record is made, they envi-
on Earth more likely to cause a bigger sion people in a studio playing together
reaction than her. and the artist taking the reins. Even

Father
Right, which makes it the perfect when they hear someone else wrote a
subject for a song. At some point we all song, the presumption is that its some
need to grow up. Bob Dylan would ref- kind of minor tweak. It is interest-
erence actresses by name in a surreal ing when fans nd out someone else

John
way to make a point about the culture. more or less wholesale wrote a song.
You were raised in a strict evangelical They get angry. What I see in certain
household. Can you understand why corners of the musical intelligentsia
evangelicals supported Trump in such right now is the idea that pop music is
big numbers? rooted in feminism. But this industry
Over the past 20 years, weve
thought of conservatives as being these
moralistic, nancially austere people
who believe in dignity and free speech.
With Donald Trump, weve seen none
Misty is horrible to women.
Horrible in what sense?
Theres just so little dignity. Around
the Nineties, the industry decided it
didnt want to work with artists any-
of them really give a shit about all of Folk rocks sharpest wit more because theyre a pain in the
that. Theyre applauding him dumping explains his dark worldview ass. They realized, We just need peo-
a trillion ghost bucks into the economy ple with dreams of being a pop star.
and expanding the military and cut- and why theres no dignity Not people who work to make music
ting taxes for the wealthiest. He is in the music industry people who submit to anything it
GUY LOWNDES

clearly not a Christian. What it shows takes. This hilariously incoherent idea
is that the center of their worldview is a BY A N DY GR E E N E that feminism is the byproduct of that
culture of resentment. Thats the hum- world drives me insane.

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Youre still on Subpop, an indie label,
after selling 250,000 albums. Were
you tempted to sign with a major label?
I talked to every major label under
Halsey Aims for
the sun. They do this Jedi mind trick:
Its time to go to the next level. Ive
seen smart, principled people try, but
Pop Dominance
it never works out. But as long as they After topping the charts with the Chainsmokers, the
say, Its time to go to the next level, singer recruits big names for cinematic second LP
then you will forget all that. There
are many other things Ive said no to. story of Romeo and Juliet, which she -

W
hen halsey started work
I was asked to audition for the second on her second album, June 2nds nally connected to a feeling that I had
season of Stranger Things. I didnt Hopeless Fountain Kingdom, killed off a version of myself just so we
want that level of exposure. I dont she faced an entirely blank slate, could make our love work. Sometimes
want to be TV famous. having written zero songs for it in the year youre in a relationship for so long and
So how long ago did you take acid? since her debut, 2015s platinum-certified you become a different person. You lose
About three hours ago. Badlands. Im a purger, she says. I bottle ev- yourself because you change for that per-
Did you drop acid before SNL? erything up and purge it all out of me. Thats son. In the end, she says, I put the seal
Mm-hmm. Its just kind of like why I write so quickly. Its like Im vomiting on that relationship and fully purged my-
being a stoner. Im not on a psyche- months of psychoanalysis. self of the feelings for that person at the
delic journey all the time. She worked with producers including Greg same time as I nished my record.
Do you worry about damaging your Halsey has talked down her
brain like Syd Barrett or Brian Wilson? own singing voice in the past,
With them, the real danger was in but she found new condence in
the rst time you take it. It can ex- the recording process, stretching
acerbate pre-existing [conditions], out into more nimble and soulful
like schizophrenia. Im not ready to R&B-tinged moments. Theres
give it up. I think living is just a risk. at least one pure piano ballad on
In the next few years, were going to the album, recorded with Kur-
start seeing the long-term effects of
cellphones.
You recently erased your Twitter and I bottle everything
Instagram accounts. Why? up and purge it out,
I was in the studio working on the
album, and it was distracting. But she says. Its like Im
think about what Twitter would look vomiting months of
like if it was a physical space and the psychoanalysis.
people who hung out there talked that
way. Would you ever want to go there?
There will be moments when I go on stin. A lot of my sound has been
Twitter and let people hate me. Its, attributed to this experimen-
like, self-harm. tal pop production style, she
Youve been described as a hipster says, so stripping a song back is
favorite. Does that ever annoy you? unique for me.
No. Because what are the traits of a She credits Closer, her smash
hipster? Its judgmental, petty people single with the Chainsmokers,
saying, Im cooler. At the core of lev- which vastly outperformed her
eling that charge, someone is saying own tracks on the charts, with
youre not as cool as you think you having fine-tuned my sense
are, so its them tacitly saying theyre Halsey live at about my new music, even if she
cooler or more authentic than me. But Lollapalooza had never expected that song to
isnt that what a hipster does? have quite so much success. It
Youve also been called insufferable Kurstin (Adele, Sia), Benny Blanco (Katy threw me into the deep end, she says. I
and superwhite online. Perry, Ed Sheeran) and Ricky Reed (Twenty went from being this underground blog
Again, thats white people saying One Pilots), and the result, like Badlands, is girl to being this mainstream thing.
that. a concept album of sorts. Its story centers on Her own debut, she contends, wasnt
A lot of the songs on your new album a pair of lovers in a limbo-like realm that con- supposed to be a radio album. Though
reminded me of Neil Youngs On the nects to the futuristic setting of the previous she still sees herself as an alternative
album: Call it the Halsey Cinematic Universe. artist ( alternative used to mean al-
ROB GRABOWSKI/INVISION/AP IMAGES

Beach.
I think someone should start a I was a big comic-book kid, she confesses. A ternative rock, she says, but I think in
website where they do modern-day big Marvel nerd. 2017 the word alternative means alter-
music writing the intersectional She also came to realize that, sci- trap- native pop), she expects Hopeless Foun-
virtue-warrior style of music writ- pings aside, she was really writing about her tain Kingdom to generate some airplay.
ing about old albums. With On the own collapsing years-long relationship. The I am more than capable of writing radio
Beach it would be, Oh, great. An- whole reason you make a record, she says, music, she says, and hopefully Ill put
other white man singing about how is to gure stuff out about yourself. She had my money where my mouth is on this
tough it is to be white. been nursing a mysterious obsession with the album. BRIAN HIATT

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Goodbye
and Good
Riddance,
Duck
Dynasty
It was long past time
for the last duck hunt
These days its hard to nd
Sarandon
reasons to be cheerful about
and Lange
the state of the nation, but an
America without Duck Dynasty
is a good place to start. No

Season of the Bitch: show in TV history has ever


sucked quite like this one. And

Bette vs. Joan


if the TV gods cooperate, no
show ever will again. Its poetic
justice that 2017 is the year the
Robertson family nally heads
Susan Sarandon and Jessica Lange are off to the duck pond in the sky.
a perfectly vicious pairing on Feud In cultural terms, Duck Dynasty
was the pre-Trump Christian
BY ROB SH E F F I E L D rights fantasy of itself a
family of hairy bootstrap-
into a TV event, ripping into the obsessions pers bowing their heads in

F
a me it s a hel l of a drug.
Feud is like watching Robert De Niro that drove his The People v. O.J. Simpson: prayer. In the age of Trump,
and Al Pacino square off in Heat, ex- money, sex, power, celebrity, and L.A. as the they look pitifully dated. They
cept with two of Hollywoods liv- city where all of Americas most depraved werent even fun to watch on
ing legends playing a couple of dead ones. In fantasies come together. a reality-trash level, because
Ryan Murphys new anthology series, Susan The whole cast thrives on the hostility: they were too phony to believe
Sarandon is Bette Davis to Jessica Langes Stanley Tucci, so sleazy as studio boss Jack so articial in their scripted
Joan Crawford, toxic movie divas madly Warner; Catherine Zeta-Jones, so catty as dialogue, so cynical in their
in hate with each other. As Davis famously Olivia de Havilland; Mad Mens Kiernan piety, so boneheaded in their
Shipka, so surly as Davis teen daughter. Al- recycled sitcom plots. Hell,
FEUD fred Molina plays director Robert Aldrich as even their beards looked fake.
SUNDAYS, 10 P.M., FX a bitter schlub, oundering in the years after The end of the Robertson era
his classic noir Kiss Me Deadly, and still a is a rare reason to celebrate in
snipped, She has slept with every male star few years away from macho blockbusters 2017 but well take it. R.S.

at MGM, except Lassie. Feud celebrates how like The Dirty Dozen and The Longest Yard,
they basically invented the modern celebrity reduced to the way he sees it directing a
beef, on the set of their 1962 horror classic, couple of fading stars in a B-level horror ick.
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? Like a Despite all the old-school touches like
great rap war, the rivalry is part theater, part Tucci listening to John Coltranes My Favor-
sincere fear and loathing. When Crawford ite Things in his office to show off his good
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died in 1977, Davis declared, You should taste none of this feels dated. In one chill-
never say bad things about the dead, only ing moment, Davis confesses that she sleeps
good. Joan Crawford is dead. Good. with one of her Oscars: Hes the perfect
Sarandon and Lange revel in the evil vibes. companion he doesnt talk back, he listens,
Yet the miniseries hits home because the hes patient. Feud has already been renewed
story is a lot bigger than just a couple of the second installment will be Charles and
movie stars its a surgical dissection of Diana. But the battle of Bette vs. Joan feels
American fame and sexism, and all the bru- real-er, and more contemporary, captur- Uncle Si
tality and blood behind the dirty business ing the raw emotional violence at the heart and Willie
of dreams. In lesser hands, Feud could have of Americas celebrity xation both then Robertson
been just catght camp, but Murphy turns it and now.

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ANNIVERSARY

FLASHBACK

Dr. Hunter S. Thompson


He had a briefcase of drugs and a supreme command
of language. He built much of his legend at Rolling Stone,
and he changed journalism in the process
to take hold, it began. I remember saying something like, I feel

I
n january 1970, hunter s. thompson wrote jann s.
Wenner a letter praising Rolling Stones denitive cov- a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive. . . . And suddenly there
erage of the disastrous Altamont festival. [Prints] a hell of was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what
a good medium by any standard, from Hemingway to the looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving
Airplane, Thompson wrote. Dont fuck it up with pomp- around the car, which was going about 100 miles an hour with
ous bullshit; the demise of RS would leave a nasty hole. A bond the top down to Las Vegas.
was formed, and over the next 30 years, Thompson would do Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas became Thompsons dening
much to redene journalism in the pages piece, and a dening literary experience
of the magazine. He lived and wrote on for generations of readers. It had begun
the edge in a style that would come to be as an assignment from Sports Illustrated
called Gonzo journalism. That term cap- when Thompson was asked to go to Las
tured his lifestyle, but it didnt really do Vegas to write a 250-word photo caption
justice to Thompsons command of lan- on a motorcycle race, the Mint 400. Intro-
guage, his fearless reporting or his fear- ducing himself as a doctor of journalism,
some intellect. he chronicled the fuel he brought along:
Thompson was born in Louisville, Ken- two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline,
tucky, served in the Air Force, and worked ve sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a
as a journalist in Puerto Rico before mov- salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole
ing to San Francisco, where an article galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers,
about the Hells Angels turned into a book screamers, laughers . . . and also a quart
project. He spent almost two years riding of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Bud-
with the outlaw motorcycle gang, and in weiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen
1966 he published a bestseller that took amyls. . . . Not that we needed all that for
readers deep inside a subculture largely the trip, but once you get locked into a se-
inaccessible to the outside world. rious drug collection, the tendency is to
In that sense, Thompson and Roll- push it as far as you can.
ing Stone were kindred spirits. After The trip became less about covering the
he wrote to the magazine, Wenner invit- race and more of, in Thompsons words, a
ed him to the office to discuss a piece that savage journey into the heart of the Amer-
would be called The Battle of Aspen, ican dream. When he submitted 2,500
about Thompsons effort to bring freak words to Sports Illustrated, the piece was
power to the Rockies. Thompson had rejected, along with his expenses. But
tried to get Joe Edwards, a 29-year-old
Fear and Loathing began when Wenner read it, he seized on it. We
pot-smoking lawyer, elected mayor; as a caption about a were at knocked out, recalls then-man-
Thompson himself was running for sher- motorcycle race and ended aging editor Paul Scanlon. Between ts
iff of Pitkin County, Colorado. He stood up as his denitive piece. of laughter, we ran our favorite lines back
six-three, Wenner remembered years and forth to one another: One toke? You
later, shaved bald, dark glasses, smoking, poor fool. Wait until you see those god-
carrying two six-packs of beer; he sat damned bats!
down, slowly unpacked a leather satchel full of travel necessities Rolling Stone sent Thompson back to Vegas to expand the
onto my desk mainly hardware, ashlights, a siren, boxes of cig- piece, reporting on the National District Attorneys Associations
arettes, ares and didnt leave for three hours. By the end, I was Conference on Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. The results were
suddenly deep into his campaign. Thompson and Edwards lost hilarious and electrifying. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas ran
their bids by slim margins, but Thompsons fate as a self-described in two parts, in the issues of November 11th and 25th, 1971, with
political junkie was sealed. illustrations by Ralph Steadman, and was published in book form
A year later, Thompson sent Rolling Stone the rst sec- the next year. (In 1998, it became a lm starring Johnny Depp.)
tion of a new piece he was working on. We were somewhere Thompson was also reshaping what it meant to write about
around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began politics. He led 14 dispatches for Rolling Stone from the 1972

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presidential campaign ence Thomas, stranded on a
trail. He lacerated the road with two prostitutes.
waterheads, swine and It was a remarkable come-
fatcats of D.C. culture back, said Wenner, who
a tone far different from saw Elko as a bookend to
the reverent approach of the 1971 classic. Vegas is
the time and lifted the so fun and hopeful. Elko is
curtain on the mechan- this bitter, very dark tale,
ics of press coverage. He kind of a descent into some
exposed pack journal- of the worst impulses of the
ism, puff pieces born out human spirit.
of schmoozing sessions Thompson wrote one
between journalists and nal piece for Rolling
campaign aides. Many of Stone, in 2004. In an un-
Thompsons observations characteristically humble
ring true today: Its come tone, he made a plea to
to the point where you al- readers to vote. By that
most cant run [for presi- 1 point, Thompsons back
dent] unless you can cause pain had become chronic,
people to salivate and whip and he required a wheel-
on each other with big air. His book editor Douglas
sticks, he wrote. You almost Brinkley recalled taking a trip
have to be a rock star to get the with Thompson to New Or-
kind of fever you need to sur- leans in January 2005, where
vive in American politics. he was humiliated when he
But getting work out of couldnt climb the stairs at a
Thompson was becoming dif- party thrown by James Car-
cult. The magazine put him ville. He sulked at the down-
up at hotels in San Francis- stairs bar, muttering cryp-
co or Florida, and stocked his 2 tic things like, My time has
room with booze, grapefruit come to die, Dougie, Brink-
and speed. A primitive fax ma- Life With Hunter ley remembered. A month
chine, which Thompson called later, Brinkley reported that
(1) Thompson on Jimmy Carters
his Mojo Wire, was installed presidential campaign plane
Thompson got into a shouting
in the Rolling Stone offic- in 1976. (2) With Jann Wenner, match with his wife, Anita,
es, and hed transmit his copy 1996. (3) Taking aim on his after he nearly shot her with a
a few pages at a time at odd ranch in Colorado, circa 76. pellet gun. They made up the
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3
hours, adding the transitions next day, but when she phoned
and endings later. He would Thompson from a nearby
often call Wenner at 2 a.m. to discuss the pieces. It was a bit health club, she heard strange clicking noises. After she hung
like being a cornerman for Ali, said Wenner. Editing Hunter re- up, he put a .45-caliber gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.
quired stamina, but I was young, and this was once in a lifetime. Thompson left a suicide note, titled Football Season Is Over,
In correspondence between Thompson and Wenner, Thomp- which was printed in Rolling Stone. 67, Thompson wrote.
son demanded albums and speed; Wenner chastised him for That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Bor-
blowing deadlines, keeping the staff late and even stealing cas- ing. I am always bitchy. No Fun for anybody. 67. You are getting
settes from his house. (I did a lot of rotten things out there but Greedy. Act your old age. Relax This wont hurt. Thompsons
I didnt steal your fucking cassettes, Thompson wrote.) death recalled the suicide of his literary hero Ernest Heming-
Thompson had become a celebrity and it slowed him down. way. Hunter had really gone from being a celebrity to being a
He was immortalized as Uncle Duke in Doonesbury. All that legend, Wenner said. Part of that legend is his suicide, much
kind of trapped him, between the fame and the drugs, said like Hemingway.
Wenner. After the election and Watergate, he wrote small things Thompson had one nal wish. In August 2005, more than
for us. But hed miss ights and never turn anything in. In one 200 friends, including Wenner, Jack Nicholson, John Kerry and
memo from around that time, Wenner checked in on seven fea- Johnny Depp, gathered at Thompsons Colorado home, where his
tures, none of which ever came to fruition. In 1975, Thompson remains were shot out of a 153-foot cannon under a full moon. In
traveled to a failing Saigon for a planned epic Vietnam piece, but March 2005, Thompson appeared on the cover of the magazine,
he spent most of his time there drinking in the hotel courtyard with remembrances from Depp, George McGovern and Thomp-
with other correspondents. He conducted several interviews with sons son, Juan, among others. Included was a letter Thompson
Jimmy Carter that the former president remembered as lengthy wrote to Wenner in 1998, recalling his early days at Rolling
and revealing, but Thompson lost the tapes. Stone: My central memory of that time is that everything we
Still, there were ashes of brilliance, such as his coverage of were doing seemed to work. . . . Buy the ticket, take the ride. Like
the 1982 Pulitzer divorce trial in Palm Beach, Florida, which an amusement park. . . . Thanx for the rush. PATRICK DOYLE

summed up the Eighties culture of greed just as it was still taking


form. In 1992, he published Fear and Loathing in Elko, a surreal Adapted from the book 50 Years of Rolling Stone
ction piece in which he met future Supreme Court Justice Clar- (Abrams), which will be on sale May 17th.

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RandomNotes

BIGGIE LIVES
Diddy and Biggie Smalls mother,
Voletta Wallace, went to a

. . . And Iggy for All! Brooklyn Nets game on the 20th


anniversary of Biggies death.
A halftime ceremony featured
Diddy, Faith Evans and more. To
Metallica wrapped up their three-night stand at Mexico Citys Foro Sol stadium by bringing
out opening act Iggy Pop for a feral rendition of the Stooges 1970 classic T.V. Eye. honor him is mind-blowing and
humbling, said Diddy. Added
I guess rock & roll dreams do still come true! says Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich.
Voletta, There is a lot of love. I
was surprised to see all this.

FIGHT SONGS
New Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame inductee
Joan Baez joined
Jackson Browne for a
duet on his 1974 tune
Before the Deluge
at Wavy Gravys
fundraiser in Hawaii
to combat blindness.
Baez has also played
several Trump
protests lately. He
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doesnt care about
anything but himself
and money and
SERNA/COURTESY OF SEVA FOUNDATION; JOSHUA MELLIN; ADAM MARESCA

power, she says.

Chance
Gives Back
Chance the Rapper visited
the South Side of Chicago
to present a $1 million
check to the citys public-
school system, after the
governor vetoed a bill that
would have provided
SHERYLS NEW TRIP Sheryl Crow pretended much-needed funds. This
to hit a joint while trying out songs from her isnt about politics, Chance
new LP, Be Myself, in L.A. I wanted to get said. This is about taking
back to how I started, she says of the album. care of the kids.

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A New Cyrus in Town
The Cyrus crew took a family trip to L.A.s iHeartRadio Music Awards to cheer
on Noah, Mileys 17-year-old sister (right), as she sang her new breakup
anthem, Make Me (Cry). 2017 is about to be Noahs year, Miley said.

The fests
second-best
outt: Wiz OOSE BOOTY George
Khalifas ton howled We Want
Sinad unk at Floridas
OConnor eechobee fest. His new
shirt. oduced by Flying
otus) will be out this year.

FIRED UP
In Australia, Adele
shot T-shirts into
the audience with
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JEFF HOLMES/PA WIRE/ABACA; TROY CONSTABLE/INSTAR IMAGES; MAX BLAKESBERG; PETER WHITE/GETTY IMAGES

$20 bills attached,


so you can buy
yourself a drink,
she said. DARLING NICKI Nicki Minaj took BE OUR GUEST Madonna (along
a page from the Lil Kim playbook with photographer Steven Klein)
and rocked a nipple pasty at a Paris went to a Purim party dressed as
Fashion Week event. both Beauty and the Beast.

FOOTLOOSE
Rod Stewart,
who is building
a soccer eld
on his English
estate, took his
sons to a match
in Glasgow.

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ROLLING STONE R EPORTS

Inside the Fight Over


Guns on Campus
gineering student at UT, hauled a trunk
More than 200 colleges now allow rearms of ries, pistols and shotguns to the 28th
in their classrooms but experts say arming oor of the campus iconic tower, and me-
ticulously gunned down 48 people over the
students only makes schools less safe course of an hour and 36 minutes. Roland
notes that a few armed civilians had red
up at Whitman. What we can hopefully
BY BE N WOF FOR D do is give people the ability to ght back,
Roland says.
n a sweltering day last august at the univer-

O
After class, I visit with Roland at the
sity of Texas at Austin, a ock of 30 undergrads are set- weathered gray house he is sharing with a
tling into a frigid lecture hall when teaching assistant housemate and a pit bull named Dolly Par-
ton. He leads me into his room a shrine
Nick Roland enters with his crimson-red tee hugging a of sorts, with all four walls covered by Vir-
holstered Glock 23. Three weeks earlier, Senate Bill 11, ginia Tech regalia and hauls out his col-
also known as campus carry, went into effect in Texas, al- lection: a customized AR-15, 30-round
magazines and a Romanian training rie.
lowing students on 38 public campuses to carry concealed, loaded handguns
At his desk, he swivels around with a load-
to class. Roland, 32, is pursuing a Ph.D. in history after a tour in Iraq. Before ed Remington 870 shotgun. It seems like
that, he was an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in 2007, during the dead- common sense to try to have some he
liest school shooting in modern history; among the 32 students killed was searches for the words different options.
He racks the slide with a startling shuck.
Rolands hallmate. Ill never forget that puses (a recent poll in Florida puts oppo- This is an issue I happen to be very pas-
day, he says. Lean and handsome, with a sition at 62 percent), as do a majority of sionate about, he says. I want someone to
crop of boyish brown hair, Roland says his chancellors, university presidents, parents, look me in the eyes and tell me why, as an
gun has led to some tense discussions with students, professors and, notably, campus individual, I cant exercise a particular self-
grad students, a phone call from a parent police. But as Adam Winkler, a law profes- defense option.
and near-unanimous opposition from his sor at UCLA, says, Because colleges have
colleagues. His class lecturer, Robert Icen- seen these high-profile mass shootings,

S
hortly a f t er t he v irgi n i a
hauer-Ramirez, told me, I just hope some- campuses have become the fundamental Tech shooting, in 2007, Republi-
day the legislature allows guns to be car- battleground over guns and self-defense. can presidential candidate Fred
ried into their offices. But none of this has UT Austin, one of the countrys premier Thompson suggested the massa-
kept Roland from carrying his gun most public universities and a liberal enclave in cre might have been averted had other
days to class, where the title of the course the red-state South, marked campus carrys students been armed. The comment was
is projected in large letters at the front of greatest achievement yet and its ercest met with national ridicule; even the NRAs
the room: civil war. point of opposition. On the rst day of class, Wayne LaPierre disavowed the idea. But
More than 200 colleges across the U.S. a student group called Cocks Not Glocks for a small group of conservative college
allow campus carry. Since SB 11 became distributed approximately 5,000 dildos in students, mostly in the South and West,
law, statutes have gained a foothold in two protest of SB 11, highlighting a discrepancy it was a rallying cry. One of them, an un-
more states, Tennessee and Ohio, and var- in Texas law that bars sex toys in public but dergrad at the University of North Texas,
ious legal actions have inched versions of not handguns on campus. Students gath- launched a Facebook group: Students for
campus carry into ve others including ered under the UT Tower, as young women Concealed Carry on Campus, or SCCC
Oregon, Pennsylvania and Virginia. This tossed dildos with the frenzy of a human- (later shortened to SCC). Its rst stunt
year, 12 other states are considering simi- itarian mission. If theyre packing heat, an empty holster protest was picked
lar legislation. Its a disturbing trend, says one sophomore protester yelled, hoisting up by Glenn Beck on CNN. The only peo-
Andy Pelosi, executive director of the Cam- a giant dildo with both hands, then were ple with guns in schools are the bad guys,
paign to Keep Guns Off Campus. Theyre packing meat! Beck thundered which was news, sure-
picking up one state a year. UT Austin was also the site of the rst ly, to many thousands of campus police.
With few exceptions, the public over- campus mass shooting in American his- Months later, Northern Illinois Universi-
whelmingly opposes guns on college cam- tory. In 1966, Charles Whitman, an en- ty had a campus shooting. Suddenly, we

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The f loodgates opened: Wis-
consin, Mississippi, Kansas, Idaho
and Arkansas each passed campus-
carry bills. By the time Lewis ef-
forts in Texas paid off last year
after three failed attempts the
NRA was calling the legislation
NRA-backed campus carry. Lets
be candid about it, says Gottlieb.
If we go back ve years, the con-
cept of getting states to pass laws to
carry guns on college campus was
a dream. Well, now its a reality. Its
happening.
In Gottliebs analysis, two icon-
ic events buoyed support for gun
rights: September 11th, and the Su-
preme Courts landmark Heller de-
cision, in 2008, which overturned
local bans on handguns. Now, he
says, the right student in the right
classroom at the right time could
change the American gun debate
immeasurably. If the person with
a gun stopped a campus shoot-
ing, support for gun rights would
jump, and I think the increase
gain would stay, he says. It would
spread like wildre.
STRAPPED STUDENTS On the rst day of class at UT Austin, August 2016, a Cocks Not Glocks group a day a fter cock s not
highlights the absurdity of state laws that allow guns in public places, like campuses, but not sex toys.
Glocks, I navigate UTs Liberal
Arts Building to nd the office of
were the hottest ticket in town, says Scott tle in Texas outanked by opponents at Jennifer Glass, a sociology professor who
Lewis, an SCC founder in Texas. Within UT, led by grad student John Woods, who led for an injunction to halt SB 11 (it failed)
a week, wed been on Good Morning Amer- had lost his girlfriend in the Virginia Tech and has since sued the university with two
ica, Fox News, CNN. The exposure, he shooting. I couldnt believe these people other professors. Hi, Glass says when I ar-
says, was addictive. were trying to use our tragedy to push this rive at her door. Under the law, faculty must
The concealed-carry movement had agenda, Woods says. verbally inform visitors their office is gun-
spent two decades advancing citizens But an idea for how to bypass state legis- free every time so she quickly adds, No
rights to carry a handgun in almost every latures soon struck another SCC member, guns are allowed in my office. If you are not
state; SCC was pushing to expand those Jim Manley, who was then a 26-year-old carrying, please come in.
rights into classrooms and other school law student at the University of Colora- With Midwestern directness, Glass sums
facilities. Why am I allowed to carry at do. On behalf of the SCC, Manley led a up the new rules under SB 11: No one,
a local movie theater, but not the campus pre-emption lawsuit, which can overturn not even police, can ask students if theyre
theater? asks Lewis. Thats the case we local gun bans on the grounds that they armed; guns must remain near their own-
made. The group attracted interest from are pre-empted by state laws that safe- ers a backpack or purse is ne; UT man-
the Second Amendment Foundation, a guard gun rights; Gottliebs SAF claims aged to restrict guns from parts of dorms
fringe gun-rights group that is currently to have struck down 600 ordinances with and some offices, but elsewhere students
suing the State Department on behalf of the technique. I graduated in May, Man- can keep a bullet in the chamber, ready
the inventor of the 3D-printed gun. SAFs ley says with a chuckle, and in December, to re. Glass suggests the risks are a high
founder, Alan Gottlieb, who is 69, hosted I sued my alma mater. price to pay in the name of avoiding another
some of the SCC members at a 2007 con- The case, Regents v. SCCC, eventually Virginia Tech. Were talking about black-
ference outside Cincinnati and saw a per- went before the Colorado Supreme Court, swan events exceedingly rare, Glass says.
fect marriage with the pro-gun millenni- and was decided in March 2012. Because A gun could go off accidentally, or be used
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als. Before a crowd of elderly white men, Colorados concealed-carry law omitted by a student on drugs or alcohol. All be-
SCCs college-age leaders were greeted campuses on its list of exempt spaces, cause youre afraid of a mass shooter?
like rock stars. Not old, white, bald guys! the court found, guns had to be allowed Government data suggests homicide
Gottlieb says. It was great! on public campuses throughout the state. rates on campus are minuscule, about one
By 2009, SCC had expanded its chapters Manley got the news while exiting a plane percent of the general publics. We know
and gained the support of the NRA. But in Denver. I opened it on my phone, he classrooms are among the safest places
that same year the group lost its rst bat- says, and just yelled in the airport. that people can be, Glass says. But there

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are about 43 rearm accidents every day


across the country, a statistic borne out
at a handful of campus-carry universi-
ties. In 2011, at UT Austin, a fraternity
brother was arrested for ring his rie in-
side the houses laundry room. In 2012,
a Utah students gun went off, wound-
ing him in the leg. In 2014, a professor at
Idaho State shot himself during class. SCC
members cite data showing no uptick in
crime at universities with campus carry,
but student license holders, it turns out, are
still students: Harvard researchers have
found that students who keep guns are
more prone to impulsive decision-making
and dangerous habits, like drunk driving.
Arming young people who tend to drink
and do crazy things, says the studys au-
thor, David Hemenway, seems like a reci-
pe for disaster.
To avoid the threat of guns, some stu-
dents and faculty have found creative
sanctuaries. I leave Glass office for the
1
Cactus Caf, an on-campus bar. The dildo
protest had roared near the entrance, but 2 3
inside the mood is sedate. In a corner,
Robert Oxford, a sandy-haired graduate
student in the history department, qui-
etly grades papers. Welcome to my office
hours, he says.
Bars are among the few spaces exempt-
ed from campus carry just like in the Old
West, guns have to be left at the door of the
Cactus Caf. Oxford describes the growing
paranoia on campus. We now have this
added drama, this unknown, whether any-

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one has a gun, he says. And were not al-
lowed to ask. It puts the whole classroom
on edge. A young woman joins our cor- GUNFIGHT (1) A live-shooter training drill at a hospital in California. (2) Professors at UT Austin
have to designate their offices as gun-free zones. (3) Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho.
ner, 23-year-old Andrea Fuentes, a recent
graduate who declined to attend UTs lm
school due to SB 11. This week, she is saying lice reght in Times Square in which two

I
n n e a r by s a n m a rcos, i meet
her goodbyes. This could be the last time Pete Blair, a former cop who now runs bystanders were struck NYPD officers,
Im on campus, Fuentes notes. In the last ALERRT, one of the most elite training some of the best-trained in the country, av-
semester, the only mood Ive been able to facilities in the U.S. for active-shoot- erage about 34 percent accuracy. Anytime
see is from people who are terried. er drills. Since Virginia Tech, law-enforce- a weapon discharges, that bullets going
Outside the Cactus Caf, I meet Dave ment professionals and private citizens to go somewhere, says Blair. That some-
Palla, a 21-year-old senior with curly blond have made trips here, running through where could be an innocent person.
hair and a fraternity-rush T-shirt. He has simulations with actors playing the likes of In fact, during the 2010 library shoot-
a license to carry. They think were too Seung-Hui Cho or Adam Lanza. As gun- ing, Austins police chief, Art Acevedo
dumb, or something, to be responsible, he shots boom outside his dusty trailer office, who testied against SB 11 ordered
says, which in my case is 100 percent not Blair describes the nightmare scenario plainclothes officers to stay outside the
true. Palla tells me about a UT sophomore that haunts every officer: friendly re. building in order to avoid confusion. In
who stormed the library with an AK-47 in Imagine, for instance, an armed student the past, if you saw someone on campus
2010, before killing himself on the sixth had responded to the gunman in the UT li- with a firearm, he says, we could as-
oor. By all accounts, the response from po- brary. He wants to be a good guy and do sume that, more than likely, its a viola-
lice and SWAT teams was nearly perfect the right thing, says Blair. So the student tion of law. Now its a totally different set
they arrived in under four minutes, the re- runs inside, only to confront another armed of circumstances.
sult of millions of dollars in training spent student responder. They might simultane- Across the U.S., campus-safety experts
after Virginia Tech. But if something sim- ously re. Or they begin screaming until warn of ways an active-shooter interven-
ilar happens, Palla isnt taking any chanc- police arrive, who also might mistaken- tion can go south. During an experiment
es. Im not going to be sitting around, he ly shoot. Or the students nd the assail- run by the Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, police
says, with nothing that I can do about it. ant, and miss. Blair described a recent po- department in 2009, students at Muhlen-

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berg College were given standard rearms guy, I generally favor concealed carry, In the hangar, a swarm of men in green
training, then handed practice Glocks and says Lt. John Weinstein of NOVA College camouage and police baseball caps glide
placed in a classroom. When a mock shoot- in Virginia. There are permit holders in delicate packs, squinting down rie bar-
er stormed the room, the armed students who could shoot the hair off a gnats ass, rels. Todays drill, a breach exercise, is in-
were consistently mowed down in seconds but there are a lot of people who cant, and spired by Virginia Tech. A squad of six burly
shot in the head and chest, often before these same people are running around col- men surround a steel door. A blast of metal
anyone could unholster a gun. My heart lege campuses. on metal erupts, and the squad leader, grip-
is still pounding, one of the students later A bear of a man with a long nose and a ping a 12-gauge shotgun, hustles his unit
said. Another described how little prior crisp mustache, Weinstein is an NRA sup- into the faux conference room. If there are
training had helped: Its just complete- porter who left a gig as a professor of inter- going to be people with rearms on cam-
ly different. national relations to become a cop. A few pus, Blair says, then we can get them the
There has yet to be a recorded case of a weeks after the conference, I visit him at highest level of training.
school shooting stopped by an armed civil- his tiny Virginia office. As opera plays on
ian, though two incidents came close. In the computer, Weinstein presents a gran-

D
ays a f ter the dildo pro-
1997, a high school student in Pearl, Missis- ular case against campus carry, from the test, pro-gun activists released
sippi, shot nine classmates, killing two; the dynamics of weaponry to the odds of a a video depicting female pro-
shooter was eeing in his car when an assis- classroom shooting (34.6 times 10 to the testers shot in the head (SCC
tant principal confronted him with a hand- minus seventh). As an archconservative, denounced it). Across campus, anony-
gun. Then there was the 2002 case at Ap- he says at one point, it pains me to be mous students left bullet casings outside
palachian Law School, a small campus in making the argument of the left. classrooms; a sliver of paper inside one
Virginia. After a disgruntled student shot read, Triggered? That week, a 21-year-
four students and two faculty members, he old student ashed his gun in the Perry-
walked to the front pavilion, lowered his We now have this added Castaeda Library, a clear violation. Then,
emptied gun and kneeled. Two other stu- in mid-September, a students gun mis-
dents both off-duty cops ran to retrieve drama this unknown, red in a dorm room at Tarleton State,
guns from their cars. Meanwhile, two un- whether anyone has a gun. one of the 38 public-college campuses in
armed students tackled the assailant, with Texas enacting SB 11. SCC, which had pre-
the gun-wielding pair close behind. State And were not allowed to viously rebutted its opponents for failing
police lauded the unarmed bystanders, but ask. It puts the whole to provide evidence of misres, rushed a
gun-rights advocates spun the event as an press release attributing the event to a pe-
instance of guns on campus stopping an
classroom on edge. riod of adjustment. Roland was still un-
active shooter. Im a gun advocate, but it deterred. Looking at the big picture, he
really irritates me that people are trying Weinstein explains, for example, what says, being able to potentially defend our-
to use this as a plug, one of the unarmed went wrong in the Muhlenberg experi- selves with rearms is a better situation
students, Ted Besen, said afterward. The ment. At around 150 to 175 heartbeats than the reverse.
NRA is minimizing the tragedy that hap- per minute, you start to lose your periph- No one, not even the SCC, knows exactly
pened here. eral vision, lose your auditory acuity, and how many American campuses now allow
According to a report that ALERRT co- your body goes into survival mode, he guns. Universities are required by law to
authored with the FBI, which cataloged 14 says. Im in a crowded classroom, my disclose basic safety information, but that
years of active-shooter incidents, 26 cases hands are shaking because my heart is doesnt include statistics on campus carry,
were stopped by a civilian 21 unarmed, beating, Ive lost my peripheral vision, I such as accidental discharges, gun-ash-
ve armed (the ve included four off-duty dont know whos on either side of me, I ing, or whether a school allows guns in the
security guards and a former Marine). A have audio exclusion, and now Im going rst place. Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn.,
2014 campus shooting at Seattle Pacic to take a shot? He shakes his head. The has introduced legislation to change that,
University ended when a student charged chances are greater youre hitting another requiring universities to publish gun poli-
the shooter with pepper spray. Congress- evacuee. cies for prospective students. Thats a big
woman Giffords, when she was shot, the Back at the ALERRT Center, Blair di- hole, says Ellison. Students and families
[shooter] stopped to reload, and the guy rects me past the booming gun range and need to be able to make a rational choice
tackled him, says Blair, whose ALERRT into a spacious hangar containing simu- about their exposure to guns.
Center teaches a defense protocol called lated school and office spaces. ALERRT In the meantime, campus carry contin-
Avoid-Deny-Defend for unarmed civil- leaders tell me that UT Austin is serious- ues to pick up states. Last December, Gov.
ians. When you start talking about train- ly considering a program to train under- John Kasich signed a campus-carry bill in
ing someone for combat shooting, thats a graduates here in armed-response drills. Ohio. Unlike Texas, Ohios law allows for
whole other level of training. Texas is one of the few states that require an opt-out clause; campus carry is no lon-
Last summer in Maryland, police chiefs time at a gun range for a concealed-carry ger illegal, but universities set their own
convened for the Campus Safety East license. But in 2013, the state reduced rules. SCCs new entity, the SCC Founda-
summit, where hundreds of officers sat its training requirement from six hours tion, is nancing more insurgent lawsuits,
through glum presentations like New to four a course I passed easily, having and leaders believe theyve found up to 30
Perspectives on Active-Shooter Training. never before touched a gun. A well-known states where universities could allow guns.
When I ask a dozen attendees at one sem- loophole allows Texas citizens to get a li- Next up: legal battles in Georgia, Arkan-
inar, Strategies for Unarmed Security, cense after viewing a 30-minute YouTube sas and Iowa. There seems to be more of
who among them supported campus carry, video and parting with $19.99. The work- an appetite by the gun lobby for these bills,
the question is met with silence. As a gun around is valid in 31 states. Pelosi says. They smell blood.

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Trump the
Destroyer
In a chaotic rollout for the ages, Trump stuffed
his Cabinet with tyrants, zealots and imbeciles all
bent on demolishing our government from within
By Matt Taibbi
Illustration by Victor Juhasz

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gaggle, in a formal declaration of

I
ts like the campaign never ended. its the same war against the media. The next
morning, a still-raging Trump
all-Trump, all-the-time madness, only exponentially worse. will tweet out his decision not
to attend the White House Cor-
Morning, February 24th, National Harbor, Maryland, respondents Dinner no great
the Conservative Political Action Conference. Chin up, loss, since the event has never
not been a wretched exercise in
eyes asquint, Donald Trump oats to the lectern on a sea stale humor and ankle-biting
toadyism, but still. How long
of applause and adulation. The building is shaking, and can he keep up this pace?
Since winning the election,
as fans howl his name Trump! Trump! Trump! he Trump has declared interper-
looks pleased and satised, like a Roman emperor who has just moved sonal war on a breathtaking
list of targets: the Australian
his bowels. Great to be back at CPAC, he says. The place I have real- prime minister, an acting at-
torney general, seven predomi-
ly . . . The thought ies into the air and vanishes. Last year at this time, nantly Muslim countries, a so-
Trump was bailing on a CPAC invite because a rats nest of National Re- called federal judge, Sweden,
Fake Tears Chuck Schumer,
view types was threatening a walkout to protest him. There was talk of Saturday Night Live, the FBI,
the very un-American leakers
300 conservatives planning a simultaneous march to the toilet if the for- within the intelligence commu-
merly pro-choice New Yorker was allowed onstage. Whether Trump nity, and the city of Paris (its
no longer Paris). Hes side-
remembers this now, or just loses his train of thought, he goes silent. eyed Mark Cuban, John Mc-
Cain, millions of protesters,
Lindsey Graham, Richard Blu-
We love you! a young woman screams, One turns to a colleague and silently menthal, Chris Cuomo, the University of
lling the void. mouths: U-S-A? What the f . . . California at Berkeley, ratings disaster
I love this place! Trump exclaims, sun- Nearby, another press nerd is frowning Arnold Schwarzenegger, Nancy Pelosi,
nily now. He recalls the tale of his first to himself and counting on his ngers, ap- the TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, Mexi-
major political speech, which was deliv- parently trying to use visual aids to retrace can President Enrique Pea Nieto, Barack
ered to this very conference six years ago. Trumps reasoning. Was the idea that re- Obama and the city of Chicago, among
Back then he was introduced to the beat of porters wouldnt notice a standing ova- many, many others.
the OJays soul hit For the Love of Money, tion unless the crowd eventually sat down? There is no other story in the world, no
and over the course of 13 uncomfortably Helpless shrugs all around. other show to watch. The rst and most no-
autoerotic minutes ogged his rsum and In a ash, Trump is launching into a furi- table consequence of Trumps administra-
declared it a myth that a very successful ous 15-minute diatribe, bashing the Clin- tion is that his ability to generate celebrity
person couldnt run for president. ton News Network (Trump continually has massively increased, his persona now
He starts to tell that story, when sud- refers to Hillary Clinton as if the campaign turbocharged by the vast powers of the
denly he spots something in the audience were still going on) and describing the press presidency. Trump has always been a reali-
that knocks him off script. as the enemy of the people. ty star without peer, but now the most pow-
Siddown, everybody, come on, he says. Within hours, Trumps aides will bar a erful man on Earth is prisoner to his talents
A lot of the people cant sit down because group of news outlets from a White House as an attention-generation machine.
theyre in standing-room-only sections. Worse, he is leader of a society incapable
Theres confusion, a few nervous laughs. of discouraging him. The numbers bear out
Frowning, Trump plows ahead. that we are living through a severely am-
You know, he says, the dishonest plied dj vu of last years media-Trump
media, theyll say, He didnt get a standing
ovation. You know why? Trump has always codependent lunacies. TV-news viewership
traditionally plummets after a presidential
Those of us in the dishonest-media sec-
tion shoot befuddled looks at one another. been a reality star election, but under Trump, its soaring. Rat-
ings since November for the major cable
Not one of us has a clue why.
You know why? No, you know why? without peer. news networks are up an astonishing 50
percent in some cases, with CNN expect-
he goes on. Because everybody stood and
nobody sat. So they will say, He never got a But as president, ing to improve on its record 2016 to make a
billion dollars thats billion with a b in
standing ovation. Right?
This makes no sense, but the crowd roars he is a prisoner prots this year.
Even the long-suffering newspaper busi-
anyway. Trump leans over and pauses to
soak in the love, his trademark red tie to his talents ness is crawling off its deathbed, with The
New York Times adding 132,000 subscrib-
hanging like the tongue of a sled dog. Fi-
nally he turns and ashes a triumphant as an attention- ers in the rst 18 days after the election. If
Trump really hates the press, being the rst
thumbs-up. A chant breaks out:
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! generation person in decades to reverse the industrys
seemingly inexorable nancial decline sure
Reporters stare at one another in shock.
They were mute bystanders seconds ago; machine. is a funny way of showing it.
On the campaign trail, ballooning ce-
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calling him illegitimate. Leading Repub-
licans had abandoned Trump during the
grab them by the pussy episode. In a true
autocracy, theirs would be the rst heads
gored on stakes as a warning to the others.
Many D.C. bureaucrats had no idea what to
expect. They were like shopkeepers await-
ing the arrival of a notorious biker gang.
Candidate Trump had lied and prevari-
cated so uidly that it was impossible to
be sure where he really stood on any issue.
Was he very pro-choice, or did he think
women who got abortions deserved some
form of punishment? Was he an aspir-
ing dictator and revolutionary, or merely a
pragmatic charlatan whose run for presi-
dent was just a publicity stunt that got way
out of hand?
The mystery seemed to end once Trump
started choosing his team.
Some appointees were less terrifying
than others. Former ExxonMobil chief Rex
Tillerson at least pays lip service to climate
change and probably has enough smarts to
complete one side of a Rubiks Cube. Trea-
sury pick Steven Mnuchin would strug-
gle to make a list of the 30 most loathsome
is nding out, fame and governance have FLY BY NIGHT Goldman Sachs veterans. These and a few
nothing to do with one another. Trump! Trump on Air Force One with Chief of Staff others were merely worst-case-scenario
is bigger than ever. But the Trump presi- Reince Priebus on January 26th. The next corporate-inuence types, industry foxes
day, the president announced the travel ban.
dency is fast withering on the vine in a sent to man regulatory henhouses.
bizarre, Dorian Gray-style inverse cor- But the rest were the most fantastic col-
relation. Which would be a problem for Trump did what he always does: stoked lection of creeps since the Thriller video.
Trump, if he cared. chaos, created hurricanes of misdirec- Many were blunderers and conspiracists
But does he? During the election, Trump tion, ignored rules and dared the system of whose sole qualication for office appeared
exploded every idea we ever had about how checks and balances to stop him. to be their open hostility to the missions of
politics is supposed to work. The easiest By conventional standards, the system the agencies they were tapped to run.
marks in his con-artist conquest of the held up fairly well. But this is not a conven- Trumps choice for EPA director, Scott
system were the people who kept trying tional president. He was a new kind of can- Pruitt, was a climate-change denier who
to measure him according to conventional didate and now is a new kind of leader: one infamously zeroed out the environmental-
standards of candidate behavior. You re- who stumbles like a drunk up Capitol Hill, enforcement division from the Oklahoma
member the Beltway priests who said no but manages even in defeat to continu- attorney generals office. For secretary of
one could ever win the White House by ally pull the country in his direction, trans- labor, Trump picked a fast-food titan who
insulting women, the disabled, veterans, forming not our laws but our conscious- prefers robots to human workers (robots,
Hispanics, the blacks, by using a Charlie ness, one shriveling brain cell at a time. he said, dont le discrimination suits!).
Chan voice to talk about Asians, etc. Trump put a brain surgeon in charge

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Now hes in office and were again fac- t seems str ange to say about of federal housing, picked a hockey-team
ing the trap of conventional assumptions. the most overanalyzed person in owner to be secretary of the Army, and
Surely Trump wants to rule? It couldnt be the world, but Trump arrived in chose as budget director a congressman
that the presidency is just a puppy Trump Washington an unknown. His best known for inspiring a downgrade to
never intended to care for, could it? shocking victory had been won al- Americas credit rating by threatening to
Toward the end of his CPAC speech, fol- most entirely outside the Beltway, via a default on the national debt.
lowing a fusillade of anti-media tirades Shermanesque barnstorming tour through Trumps pick for energy secretary, Rick
that will dominate the headlines for days, white-discontent meccas in states like Perry, reportedly not only admitted that he
Trump, in an offhand voice, casually men- Iowa, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where didnt know what the Department of En-
tions what a chore the presidency can be. he devoured popular support by promis- ergy actually does, but had called for that
I still dont have my Cabinet approved, ing wrath and vengeance on the federal very agencys elimination as a presidential
he sighs. government. candidate (and forgot that fact during a
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In truth, Trump does have much of his Trump didnt appeal to K Street for help, debate). Moreover, Trump had brutalized
team approved. In the early days of his didnt beg for mailing lists or the phone Perry during the campaign as a dimwit
administration, while his Democratic op- numbers of millionaire bundlers, and among dimwits, whose smart glasses af-
position was still reeling from Novembers never wrung his hands waiting for favor- fectation didnt fool anyone.
defeat, Trump managed to stuff the top of able reviews on Meet the Press. He was the For Trump and his inner circle to name
his Cabinet with a jaw-dropping collection rst president in modern times to arrive in Perry to any Cabinet post at all felt like
of perverts, tyrants and imbeciles, the likes Washington not owing the local burghers. trolling, like a football team wrapping the
of which Washington has never seen. What that meant, nobody knew, but it mascot in packing tape and mailing him to
En route to taking this crucial first probably wasnt good. Leaders in both par- Canada. But to send someone youre on rec-
beachhead in his invasion of the capital, ties had reason to panic. Democrats were ord calling an idiot to run the nations nu-

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clear arsenal, that doesnt t easily in any cines were a hoax, global warming was a One Democrat after another sounded
bucket: mischief, evil, incompetence its Chinese conspiracy and Ted Cruzs dad notes of accommodation. West Virginia
even a little extreme for nihilism. killed JFK, Democrats were clinging to Sen. Joe Manchin said he planned to gen-
Trumps lead adviser, the fast-talking a Nineties-era playbook that said forcing erally support Trumps picks unless theres
Breitbart Svengali Steve Bannon, would Republicans into a corner on Medicare and just something scathing coming out that I
ultimately explain the thinking behind Social Security was still a no-lose play in dont know about. Sen. Brian Schatz of Ha-
Trumps appointments in front of the American politics. waii added, We cant very well be at a fever
CPAC audience. If you look at these Cabi- The focus on Price was another exam- pitch on everything.
net appointees, they were selected for a ple of Democrats inability to recognize a Price sailed through hearings and was
reason, he said. The mysterious gure de- changed political landscape. But even be- conrmed along party lines basically with-
scribed that reason as the deconstruction fore Trump came on the scene, this lack of out a struggle, and the Democratic resis-
of the administrative state. vision doomed them. tance looked cooked out of the gate.
This seemed to confirm the darkest In 2013, then-Majority Leader Harry Another early nominee who skated
theory of the Trump administration: a Reid of Nevada eliminated the libuster through was CIA chief Mike Pompeo, a
state-smashing revolution disguised as procedure for presidential nominees. Pas- Jesus-humping conspiracist who embraces
populist political theater. A do-nothing sage of the so-called Reid Rule was widely torture and once called politics a never-
Cabinet could ease back on its discretion- hailed by Democrats because it solved the ending struggle . . . until the Rapture.
ary authority to save pub- A spy chief who believes
lic lands, enforce workplace in literal Armageddon ap-
protections, uphold emis- parently wasnt scathing
sions standards. It could enough to be fevered about,
(and soon would) stop in- and 14 Democrats supported
vestigating crooked police his nomination in a whop-
departments. It could redi- ping 66-32 conrmation.
rect funds meant to study Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown
climate change or viral out- and Sen. Elizabeth War-
breaks. ren of Massachusetts then
Continuing a theme that gave voice votes in favor of
dominated election season, Trumps choice to run the
both parties were painfully Department of Housing and
slow to accept the reality of Urban Development, Ben
what they were dealing with. Carson.
The early response of the Even if Carson were not
Democratic leadership to an addled mystic who thinks
Trumps picks was a shock- gay rights are a Marxist plot
ing strategy of partial ac- and hummus a Palestin-
commodation and picking ian terrorist group, putting
their battles. a doctor with no econom-
I call it the law of con- ics background in charge of
servation of nos, says Jeff Hauser of the POWER GRAB an agency about to take part in one of the
Revolving Door Project, which monitors Trumps chief strategist, Steve Bannon, most complex nancial projects in our his-
describes the Cabinet picks as part of the
federal appointments. The Democrats felt deconstruction of the administrative state. tory the reorganization of Fannie Mae
they could only say no to Trump so many and Freddie Mac seemed like madness.
times, that they had to hoard their political Carson, through an aide, said as late as
capital for one or two battles. short-term problem of Republican obstruc- November he didnt want to take a Cabinet
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and tion of Obama. post because he has no government expe-
Co. decided to focus their oppositional ef- In reality, Reid just sabotaged the future rience, saying he didnt want to do any-
forts on a few select targets, particularly self-defense capability of the entire Senate. thing that could cripple the presidency.
Trumps Health and Human Services nom- This was one of many examples of Demo- Mark it down as another first in the
inee, Georgia Rep. Tom Price. crats cheering an expansion of executive Trump era: Politician formally announces
An orthopedic surgeon with snow-white power that later left them weakened under his own incompetence in an attempt to pre-
hair, sallow cheeks and the voice of a man Trump. Delaware Sen. Chris Coons was one vent his own nomination, gets nominated
complaining to a waitress, Price is prob- of the rst to get religion late last year, once anyway, and is even supported by mem-
ably best known for spending the past eight he started to see Trumps loony nominees bers of an opposition party that perhaps
years leading the effort to overturn the Af- marching up the Hill. unconsciously has begun to grade Trumps
fordable Care Act. I do regret that, Coons told CNN in late insanity on a curve an early example of
In a classic example of Beltway-Clinto- November. [The filibuster] would have how the relentless Trump show bends our
nian triangular thinking, the Democrats been a terric speed bump. perception of reality.
felt that Price was their best bet to score Still, its not clear that Democrats would Democratic members who cast early yea
a crossover win because of his history of have used the libuster, even if they had it votes were besieged when they went back
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favoring cuts in the popular Medicare and holstered. At an early-December meeting home. Warren was deluged with furious
Medicaid programs. at North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamps Twitter responses (Ben Carson is ok?! Wtf
After a paradigm-crushing year in which Washington home, several prominent is wrong with you!), while Schumer ap-
Trump won the presidency claiming vac- Democrats reportedly met over Chinese peared at a rally in Battery Park in Man-
food and emerged with a crack-suicide- hattan, only to be hectored: Stop voting
Contributing editor Matt Taibbi will squad strategy for ghting Trump: Talk for his nominees!
be covering the Trump administration more about pocketbook issues and maybe The Womens March also shocked Dem-
every month in the magazine. take on Price. ocratic leadership. Some reports called it

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the largest protest in our history, with as Its the education equivalent of asking if a Crowley, had to step down over plagiarism
many as 4.2 million people marching in football coach prefers the run or the pass. accusations. Trump was continuing his
600 different cities. DeVos has no idea what Franken is talk- days-long f lame war with Georgia Rep.
These people didnt want Democrats ing about. John Lewis, and blasting his approval rat-
picking battles and conserving nos I think, if Im understanding your ques- ings as rigged. Some 51 members of Con-
they wanted them to hurl themselves tion correctly around prociency, I would gress were announcing plans to boycott
under tank treads to stop Trump at every also correlate it to competency and mas- Trumps inauguration. And so on.
turn. But what really made the message tery, she says, so that each student is mea- During the day, seven crazy things were
sink in for Democrats was a mid-January sured according to the advancement that happening, a committee aide explains.
hearing that provided one of their first theyre making in each subject area. But in the evening, this was it.
up-close encounters with Trumps inva- Well, thats growth, Franken says. When the hearing ended, ranking mem-
sion force. Thats not prociency. ber Sen. Patty Murray of Washington was
DeVos stammers a brief response, then amazed to nd out that the HELP commit-

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he turning point comes freezes. She looks like a duck trying to read tee had somehow become the center of the
early on the evening of Janu- a parking meter. social-media universe.
ary 17th, in Room 430 of the As the hearing progresses, DeVos tires I looked down at my phone and saw all
Senates Dirksen Building. At and her Sunday-school smile wilts around of these texts, she says now. I was like,
the center of this imposing Wow.
hearing hall with majestic circular panel- A video from the hearing would garner
ing, built in the Fifties to provide the Sen- 1.2 million hits on YouTube, beyond any-
ate with a dramatic venue t for the televi- thing in the committees history.
sion age, sits the Health, Education, Labor
and Pensions (HELP) committees rst vis- Every move The impact of the DeVos implosion was
twofold. First, the Democrats realized they
itor from Planet Trump.
She is a mute, unassuming woman with conrmed the could and should ght back. Second, Re-
publicans found the downside of party-line
straight blond hair, glasses and a quizzical
expression, perched at attention like some- darkest theory votes. Many received a torrent of abuse
from constituents who demanded they vote
one awaiting a sermon.
The nomination of Betsy DeVos to be of the Trump DeVos out.
I have heard from thousands, truly,
education secretary was surely meant
on some level as an insult to the Senate. White House: thousands of Alaskans who have shared
their concerns about Mrs. DeVos, said Re-
The daughter of an auto-parts billionaire,
DeVos is also married to the heir of the A state-smashing publican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who dealt
with protests outside her Alaska office and
Amway fortune, which makes her some-
thing like Americas reigning Queen of revolution later estimated that 30,000 constituents
called to complain.
Suckers. Her family has given as much as
$200 million to conservative causes and disguised as Murkowski announced that she would
pull her vote for DeVos, as did Republican
politicians over the years.
It has to have entered Trumps calcula- populism. Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. A senator vot-
ing against his or her own partys nominee
tions that a large percentage of senators for is the Beltway equivalent of an eclipse or a
this reason would not be able to reject her volcanic lightning strike rare and fright-
no matter what she said or did under ques- the edges. By the time Sen. Chris Murphy of ening to the natives.
tioning. Its exactly the sort of cruel theater Connecticut asks if guns should be allowed True to form, the Democrats they have
in which Trump the reality-TV producer in schools, shes fed up. been a step behind Trump for a while now
once specialized. I think probably there, I would imagine never managed to peel off a third defector
DeVos arrives dressed in a blazer of that there is probably a gun in the school to to defeat DeVos. But Republicans still suf-
bright purple. (Historians will note this is protect from potential grizzlies, she says, fered the indignity of needing Vice Presi-
the same color of the robes worn by Inci- in reference to an earlier exchange with dent Mike Pence to break the tie, another
tatus, the horse Caligula used to troll the Wyoming Sen. Mike Enzi. thing that had never before happened in the
Senate.) Over the next three and a half Murmurs shoot through the rear of the Senates history.
hours, she will prove to be the worst wit- hall. The members are unaware that the The DeVos debacle impacted Trumps
ness since William Jennings Bryan sent hearing is trending on Twitter. The griz- choice for labor secretary, Andy Puzder.
himself to the stand in the Scopes Mon- zlies line, to use an overwrought clich, The CEO of CKE Restaurants, which in-
key Trial. broke the Internet. cludes the Hardees and Carls Jr. chains,
A well-known charter-school advo- Committee Chair Sen. Lamar Alexander, the lecherous and moronic Puzder made
cate who had said that government re- a pink-faced Southerner whose own fringe DeVos look like Robert Frost.
ally sucks and that public education was a presidential runs in the Nineties in some Earlier that week, it came to light that
dead end who had neither attended pub- ways presaged Trumps the difference Puzders ex-wife had appeared in disguise
lic school nor sent her kids to one DeVos being Alexanders populist affectation was on The Oprah Winfrey Show back in the
is at first standoffish but predictable in a red-annel shirt instead of conspirato- Nineties to talk about being abused. More-
her answers. But things turn surreal when rial xenophobia had miscalculated in his over, Puzder greenlit a line of pseudo-
Minnesota Sen. Al Franken asks her where apparent attempt to hide the hearing by pornographic commercials, including one
she stands on the question of prociency scheduling it at night. that featured babes in postage-stamp biki-
versus growth. The Republicans also failed to adjust nis opening wide to wolf down three-way
Do we judge schools according to how for the new Trump-era media landscape. burgers. Even his name, Puzder, sounds
much their students know, or should we Twitter that day boiled with hot stories. like an unmentionable sex act.
better measure how much students know Trumps NSA communications pick, pearl- To be conrmed, Puzder would have to
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senators: Murray, Franken, Murphy, War- a completely different kind of administra- his wife for her passport. Alaskry knows
ren and Bernie Sanders, among others, all tion. We had to consider that this was a re- instantly the game is up. He and his family
of whom had turned their cross-examina- ally focused deconstructive effort. are pulled off the plane and own back to
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If silly Betsy DeVos crashed Twit- n the chambers of the sen- to go back to. Hed sold his car and furni-
ter, what would hours of live Q&A with a ate and on social media, the battle ture. He and his wife had quit their jobs.
cleavage-obsessed multimillionaire do? over Trumps nominees felt like a He is also sure to be executed if the wrong
Before it came to that, four Republicans comedy of manners. But out in the people nd him. They hide in his father-in-
Collins, Murkowski, Sen. Tim Scott of real world, there were already peo- laws house.
South Carolina and Sen. Johnny Isakson ple staring at the business end of his presi- We had no idea what to do, he says. We
of Georgia announced they were with- dency, and the costs were very real. had nothing.
holding support for Puzders bid. Soon On the evening of Januar y 28th, Trumps infamous executive order on
after, he pulled out, and Democrats for Munther Alaskry sits on the tarmac in a January 27th barring immigration from
the rst time drew blood against Trump. Turkish Air Lines jet in Istanbul, his wife seven Muslim-majority countries was ini-
Puzder later told Fox News that the DeVos and two young children by his side. They tially taken by conservatives as proof that
hearing actually is what killed his nomi- are on a stopover, headed for Houston. An he was a doer, not a talker. man of ac-
nation. Iraqi native, Alaskry had served in combat tion has press, democrats and hol-
From that point forward, there was no in Iraq as a translator alongside American lywood in a dither, The Washington
more conservation of nos. soldiers dating back to 2003. Hed carried Times gushed.
I think before, some people might have a weapon in the eld, wore an American- But the episode ended up being classic
been saying, Somewhere in his heart issued uniform and been hunted by militias Trumpian ineptitude. The order was so
[Trump] must love the country. Well give in his own country for more than a decade. poorly thought out that even the mean-
him the benet of the doubt, says Murray, He applied for a visa to the U.S. in est judge couldnt ratify it. It originally
stressing she herself never felt this way. But 2010 and, after nearly seven years of pa- included a de facto exemption for Chris-
after DeVos, everyone realized, you cant perwork and interviews with practically tians, making it a glaring violation of the
give him the benet of the doubt. every American security agency, was nally Establishment Clause of the Constitution.
Murray adds that DeVos provided what granted permission to immigrate in De- A Bush-appointed judge, James Robart,
seemed like proof of the Bannon theory of cember 2016. If that is not extreme vetting, struck it down out of the gate, and Alaskry
Trumps governance by self-sabotage. I dont know what is, he says. was shortly after able to get his family
You sensed it before, but now its jelling But before his jet takes off in Istanbul, to Rochester, New York. He marveled at
in peoples minds, Murray says. This was a woman comes down the aisle and asks Americans inability to distinguish, say, an

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ISIL ghter from people like himself, to say highly ambiguous chances for success. tan damask walls next to which you sit,
nothing of his children. Take away the impact they had as symbols you learn that this body, like a heavy ocean-
The veterans, they know, Alaskry says. of action, and most of what Trump has worthy ship, was designed to withstand the
But the normal people, they do not know actually done so far, concretely, is pick a most violent changes in circumstance.
the difference. team. He soon enough stopped bothering Even two centuries ago, people like
A president like Trump can have an im- with that, too. Jefferson and Madison understood that
pact even if he never manages to get a sin- Americans were likely to go crazy from
gle law passed, simply by unleashing stu- time to time, and so infused the Senate
pidity as a revolutionary force. Of course, with awesome powers to stall and block the
no one can draw a direct line from Trump transient impressions into which [people]
to incidents like the one in Kansas, where
one of those normal people shot two im- At State, the level might be led.
On the oor below, Democrats are play-
migrants from India, killing one, after
accosting them about their visa status. of paranoia is ing out the script, furiously arguing against
Mick Mulvaney, Trumps nominee to head
Nor can anyone say that the Trump effect
caused a Sikh man with American citizen- off the charts, the Office of Management and Budget. Em-
boldened by their clash with DeVos and the
ship to be shot outside Seattle by a man
yelling, Go back to your own country! says one former withdrawal of Puzder, theyre nally ght-
ing in earnest using traditional legislative
If Trump and his supporters dont want
to take credit for this exciting new era D.C. official. weaponry. But they still have no answer for
the post-factual revolution raging outside
of not knowing what a Muslim is, but the Capitol that saddled them with a gure
shooting people for being one anyway, like Mulvaney in the rst place.

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thats OK. But Trumps executive orders f t er noon, februa ry The South Carolina congressman with
were the hallmark of his rst days in of- 16th, the Senate. Up in the the cropped hair and the bulldog face is
ce, as he signed the travel ban, pledged gallery above the dais, in the one of the most disliked people on the Hill.
to overturn the Dodd-Frank financial cheap seats near the ceiling Mulvaney orates with the charm of a prison
rules and ordered the construction of the where they keep the report- guard and behaves as if smiling on Capitol
so-called Great Wall of Trump, among ers, rests a copy of Robert Caros tour de grounds would violate the Framers vision
other things. force Master of the Senate. As you sit ip- of limited government. He ts the Ban-
But in most cases these orders only an- ping the pages of the colossal tome, reading nonite vision of revolutionary destruction,
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spiracy theorists who, based on nothing ing in committee to name a single environ- needed shortcut. Unfortunately, despite a
whatsoever, believe that nothing bad could mental regulation he supported. lot of lies about meetings and conversations
come from the United States defaulting on To try to stop him, Dems invoke one of and other curious behavior, theres no ac-
its national debt. those senatorial stalling tactics, a rule that tual proof of conspiracy. The former direc-
I have yet to meet someone who can allows them to hold off a nal vote for 30 tor of national intelligence, James Clapper,
articulate the negative consequences [of hours, provided they keep the oor open said there was no evidence of such collu-
defaulting], he said in 2010. through the Mr. Smith Goes to Washing- sion as of his last day in office.
Shortly after saying this, the United ton technique of continuous debate. They That has put congressional Democrats in
States credit rating was downgraded stay up all night, with one member after the perilous position of having to litter their
from AAA to AA+ by Standard and Poors, another blasting Pruitt as the kind of man Russia speeches with caveats like, We do
thanks in large part to congressional Re- who would use a spotted owl as a dash- not know all the facts and More informa-
publicans like Mulvaney threatening de- board ornament. But in the many rhetori- tion may well surface. Theyre often stuck
fault. This episode will cost American tax- cal dead spots, they hit the theme of the using the conspiracy-theory technique of
payers an astonishing $18.9 billion due month: Russia. referring to what they dont know as a way
to higher interest rates just on American At the time, Trumps national security of talking about what they hope to nd out.
securities issued that year. A similar epi- adviser and noted Pizzagate conspiracy Trump has responded to all this in a
sode two years later cost the economy an- theorist Gen. Michael Flynn had just re- predictable manner, leveling wild counter-
other $24 billion, making Mulvaney and signed, after revelations that he had unre- accusations, saying Obama had been tap-
his bund of congressional debt truthers ported contact with the Russian ambassa- ping my phones and was a bad (or sick)
perhaps the most expensively stupid peo- guy. Trumps senior adviser Kellyanne
ple ever to be elected to federal office in Conway, who will either be ambassador to
America. Mars or in a straitjacket by the end of this
As the Mulvaney vote nears, one Dem- presidency, followed up by suggesting the
ocratic senator after another stands up
in the gallery to call him out. Sen. Dick A president who is government may have used a microwave
oven to surveil Trump Tower during the
Durbin of Illinois notes that Mulvaney
once questioned whether the Zika virus both a tyrant and election.
Maybe Trump didnt plan this, and its
caused birth defects, apparently because
he didnt want the government spending disinterested in just coincidence that where we are now
dueling accusations of criminality, investi-
money on scientic research.
Im not making this up, Durbin pleads. governance would gations instead of debates, jail promised to
the loser is what politics would look like in
The Republicans yawn. One of the bril-
liant innovations of the Trump phenome- have blown the a WWE future where government is a for-
prot television program. And maybe its
non has been the turning of expertise into
a class issue. Formerly, scientists were po- Founding Fathers not the Trump effect that has Democrats so
completely focused on him instead of talk-
litical liabilities only insofar as their work
clashed with the teachings of TV Bible- minds. ing to their voters, a mistake they also made
last election season.
thumpers. Now, any person who in any Still, the Russia story is the ultimate
way disputes popular misconceptions in high-stakes politics. If proof emerges
that balancing a budget is just like balanc- dor prior to Trumps inauguration. Within that Trump and Putin colluded, it could
ing a checkbook, that two snowfalls in a a few weeks, Attorney General Jeff Sessions topple this presidency. But if no such evi-
week prove global warming isnt real, that will be rolled up in a similar imbroglio. dence comes out, the gambit could massive-
handguns would have saved Jews from the No matter what you believe on the Rus- ly backre, validating Trumps accusations
Holocaust or little kids from the Sandy sia front, the manner in which the story is of establishment bias and media overreach.
Hook massacre is part of an elitist con- being prosecuted is striking. After failing In the short term, however, theres no
spiracy to deny the selfhood of the Google- to stop nutcases like Mulvaney using con- question that Russia is bloodying Trump
educated American. The Republicans un- ventional tactics, the Democrats forayed politically. An evening speech during the
derstand this axiom: No politician in the into the unconventional. The scandal so Pruitt hearings by Minnesota Sen. Amy
Trump era is going to dive in a foxhole to dominates blue-state media that Russia Klobuchar hits the typical notes.
save scientic research. Scientists, like re- Wars can almost be said to be the Demo- She cleverly references a trip she made to
porters, Muslims and the French, are out. crats competing reality franchise. This Ukraine with McCain and Graham, both
Most conservatives who opposed Trump show even incorporates Trumps sensation- owners of key votes in future legislative
over the past two years on grounds of basic al political style, cycling lurid accusations battles. She then goes all out rhetorically,
logic now realize that theyll suffer if they with tune-in-next-time promises of future hinting at bombshell future revelations:
take stands against his conspiratorial ideas revelations. As damaging as its been, its blackmail, betrayal, treason.
on immigrants, the budget, so-called yet another example of Trumps uncanny If we are committed to ensuring that
judges, climate change or anything else. ability to Trump-ize the world around him. Russias hacking invasions and blackmail
Trump has made being the voice of reason All of Trumps opponents sooner or later do not go unchecked, she says, we must
politically dangerous. Arizona Sen. Jeff fall victim to the same pattern. He is so do everything in our power to uncover the
Flake, for instance, is already saddled with voluminously offensive that Christ himself full extent of this interference in our own
a Trump-aligned primary challenger and would abandon a positive message to chase political system. . . .
the enmity of Breitbart, which ran a photo his negatives. His election so completely This goes on all night. Democrats stick
of him next to an Im With Her logo. devastated Democratic voters that many it out until morning, only to wake up to
After Mulvaney squeaks through, the cannot think of him except in the context of nd that two of their own caucus members
Democrats plunge into desperate tactics to removing him as soon as possible. from coal country have crossed over to give
stop the next bugbear, EPA nominee Pruitt. A scenario under which he is impeached Pruitt their support.
The drawling, devout Oklahoman repre- somehow for colluding with Vladimir Putin Their cave-in shows that the power of
sents the epitome of the Bannon ethos, fail- to disrupt last years election seems like the Trumps base extends even to Democrats.

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The two senators, Heitkamp of North Da- Just a month or so into Trumps admin- people sent in groups under temporary ap-
kota and Manchin of West Virginia, both istration, one of the central promises of pointments of four to eight months.
face re-election in 2018 and hail from states his campaign the killing off of the Af- These appointees did not have to be con-
where Trump won handily. So much for fordable Care Act is in trouble. Trumps rmed by Congress. Some are freaks and
throwing their bodies under tank treads: inability to hold coalitions together, or fringe weirdos on a level below even the
The Democrats cant even convince their really do much of anything beyond gen- goofballs in Trumps Cabinet. A fair num-
members to forget about re-election long erate TV ratings, is already showing. But ber carry amorphous special assistant
enough to save the EPA. The ayes have it, just as it was last year when the pundi- titles, making it difficult to know what their
52-46, handing environmental enforce- tocracy told him hed made himself un- duties are.
ment to a man likely bent on a campaign of electable, Trumps ace in the hole may be More unnerving is the presence in the
inaction, portending perhaps a return now that he doesnt care. His history is that Cabinet-level agencies of a seemingly new
to the good old days of the Cuyahoga River when the playing field doesnt work for position, senior White House adviser.
spontaneously catching re. him, he moves it. The Framers may have Some Hill sources believe these new of-
designed the government to withstand cials are reporting directly to Steve Ban-

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s the mon th of febru- bouts of popular madness, but there are no non, who is fast achieving mythical status
ary nears its end, Trump has checks and balances against the power of as the empires supreme villain. On the
won far more than hes lost celebrity. A president who is both a tyrant surface, Bannon is just another vicious
on the nomination front. and disinterested in governance would ex-hippie of the David Horowitz/Michael
But he appears to have been have blown their minds. Savage school, a former Grateful Dead
scarred by this process that fan who overswung the other
saw one appointee resign way to embrace a Nazistic cul-
(Flynn), four more withdraw ture rst alt-right movement.
(Puzder, Crowley, would- Everyone from Time magazine
be Army Secretary Vincent (which called him the great
Viola and Navy Secretary pick manipulator) to The New York
Philip Bilden), and another, Times (which called him a de
Sessions, caught up in scan- facto president) is rushing to
dal and forced to recuse him- make him into a superempow-
self from the Russia probe ered henchman of the extreme
after possibly perjuring him- right, a new Roy Cohn fit-
self during his conrmation. ting, since Cohn himself was
As much of a dumpster re one of Trumps first mentors.
as it may have seemed from But whether hes Cohn or just a
the outside, the rocky nomi- fourth-rate imitator with a fat
nation process has actually neck is still unclear.
been a honeymoon of sorts Rosenberg believes the ane-
for Trump, a period when he mic pace of Senate-track politi-
only needed a simple majority cal nominations, coupled with
in a 52-Republican Senate to this ood of unconrmed politi-
get his people passed. Going forward, as TRUMPS PARTY cal hires, may be at least in part a conscious
of now, for actual legislation, the libus- In February, Trump spoke at the Conservative strategy to try to decrease the autonomy
ter will be in play, and Trump will need 60 Political Action Conference last year, he of the agencies and increase the control of
declined to attend over threats of a boycott.
votes to do real damage. the White House, in particular the Ban-
The 60-vote universe is where hes got a non camp.

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problem, says longtime Democratic strate- t some poi n t, he just Even at Tillersons introductory speech,
gist Simon Rosenberg. stopped appointing people, Rosenberg points out, a young Trump cam-
That theory is borne out a few weeks says an incredulous Haus- paign organizer and former Chris Chris-
later, when a House bill to repeal the Af- er, the capital watchdog, at tie aide named Matthew Mowers is seen
fordable Care Act runs into trouble in the the end of February. Hes standing next to Tillerson.
Senate, and no fewer than eight Republi- only made 30 appointments. That means Hes like a 27-year-old kid, Rosenberg
cans announce their objections. The Con- hes still got over 1,000 empty posts. Near- says. Normally you would never have a
gressional Budget Office complicates the ly 200 ambassador posts are in limbo. young political appointee in the shot with
picture by scoring the Republican bill and He named Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme the principal.
concluding that it would leave 14 million Court, but not a single judge beyond that This sounds like Kremlinology the days
fewer people insured next year. with over 100 empty federal seats to when we were forced to try to gure out
This contradicts Trumps drinks for the be lled. Nobody knows what the hell is who was on the outs in the Soviet Politburo
house!-style assertion that a new plan going on. by seeing who sat next to whom in photos of
would mean insurance for everybody. Sources theorize that Trumps appoint- Red Square parades and it ts the Soviet
OMB head Mulvaney quickly jumps in to ments slowed thanks to a combination of avor of the news leaking out of the agen-
say the CBO is terrible at counting and factors. Those include a fear of more De- cies. Congressional sources in contact with
dismisses the score as bad math. Newt Gin- Vos-style blowback and an inability to nd the State Department report that some
grich, whose continued relevance as a go-to people capable of passing security clearanc- beachhead appointees wanted to start
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talking head is another unfortunate con- es (at least six White House staffers report- making immediate drastic cuts, closing
sequence of this presidency, goes further, edly had to be dismissed for this reason). consulates abroad willy-nilly, without ask-
crying that the CBO should be abolished A darker explanation was offered by a ing for information or visiting the locations.
and replaced by three to ve professional ProPublica story revealing that Trump The Trump government has been be-
rms. In modern American politics, every sent waves of nonpolitical appointees to the sieged with damaging leaks everything
game is a blown call by the refs. agencies in so-called beachhead teams, i.e., from internal Homeland [Cont. on 56]

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d
W
ell before he
started dyeing
his hair red and
styling himself like a Harlem
Renaissance-era dandy, be-
fore he ditched his last name,
signed to his friend Janelle
Mones label, or began sing-
ing and rapping in his arrest-
ingly incongruous array of
styles, Jidenna Mobisson was
already confusing the hell
out of people. My whole life, He grew up
he says, with an undisguised in Nigeria, went
hint of pride, Ive had a lot
of whats this? moments.
to Stanford,
The earliest of those came in then made a
the rst six years of his life, stunning debut.
in his fathers native Nige- Hes even
ria, where trips to the mar-
ket with his Massachusetts- convinced
born mom, the only white he could be
lady for miles, would end president -
with locals swarming their
car under the incorrect as-
if he wants
sumption that they were rich to be
tourists. Next, he moved all
the way to the suburbs of
Boston, where blending in
BY
was again not an option. On BRIAN
his rst day of school in the
States, he recalls, this dude HIAT T

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CHARM LIKE A
LEPRECHAUN
In New York
in March
JIDENNA
with a mushroom haircut punched me or a gimmick, he says. Im the real deal, though, Jidenna says. I was shy as a kid.
under the seat and called me an African bro. I walked through the hood dressed in It helped me bring myself out of my shell.
nigger after I said the A-B-C-Ds and the suits with a nger-curl in my hair, man. When he performs for the cameras later,
1-2-3s in a Nigerian accent, which he has In February, he finally dropped The hes buzzed at best, but acts drunk, sipping
long since shed. Later came the presti- Chief, a debut album that more than justi- from a tumbler thats actually just water:
gious Milton Academy (Mama put me in es his condence. Standouts range from He spent time in his dressing room watch-
a school with the Kennedys, as one of his the Nineties-style banger Long Live the ing clips of purportedly boozy Rat Pack
songs accurately describes it) and Stanford Chief which went is-that-really-the- performances for acting inspiration.
which he chose after turning down sev- Classic Man-dude? viral last year after Jidennas self-assurance extends well
eral of the Ivies, including Harvard. Every- Jidenna performed it on an episode of Net- beyond music. Hes got some kind of 100-
where I went, he says, it was an arrival. ixs Luke Cage to the Magic City-ready year plan that includes fostering a tech
After teaching high school in New York The Let Out (with Quavo of Migos), all boom in Africa, and is pretty sure that he
for a few post-college years, Jidenna made the way to the gorgeous single Bambi (its could be president of the United States. If
his musical arrival in 2015, at the age of Sam Cooke meets the Wailers with trap he wanted to, that is. Its an option, he
29, with the appealing, if mildly gim- high-hats, and its 2017s best song so far). says. Do I have the option? Sure. But do I
micky, radio hit Classic Man: You can Before he sang his way through tears think entertainment is more powerful than
be mean/When you look this clean, he recording Bambi, the true story of a now- the presidency? Sometimes, yeah, it is.
rapped, claiming to have charm like a lep- married ex-girlfriend (the part about his

J
rechaun (he does wear a lot of green) and polygamist grandpa having seven wives i de n n a s n a m e m e a n s
name-dropping Nat King Cole. is almost true he had six), Jidenna had embracing the father in Igbo
Epic Records had picked up Mones a chat with the spirits of Bob Marley and and when his dad named
Wondaland Records, where Jidenna was Nat Cole. For Long Live the Chief, he him that, he was talking
among the inaugural signings, and execs asked Tupac Shakur for help. Jidennas about himself, not God. His
there were so excited by Classic Man father was an observant Catholic, but his late dad, Oliver Mobisson,
that they decided to rush-release it, before son has been on an eclectic spiritual quest made it from rural Nigeria
Jidenna had any other solo songs ready. ever since he experienced a powerful vision to MIT via a government fellowship, and
He barely had time to get publicity pho- in college, one that hes not quite ready to upon his return, with Jidennas mom in
tos taken before it tow, he ended up cre-
came out. He spent ating the ASUTECH
months promoting He was intense, Jidenna says 800, one of the first
that one track, leav- computers to be man-
ing him little time to of his father. He did something ufactured in sub-Sa-
start writing and re- haran Africa. He also
cording more, and its
to my brain where Im always became a village chief
popularity quickly looking for extreme excellence. and helped support
became perilous to the Biafran secession
his career even as movement. He ex-
Classic Man got a Grammy nomination share. When he told classmates about it, pected Jidenna, his youngest son, to do
and scored a pivotal scene in Moonlight. they called him crazy. even more with his life.
It followed him everywhere he went, says He kept an elaborate shrine in the stu- One night when he was ve years old,
his co-manager Mikael Moore, who quit dio, with candles, herbs, rice, and holy Jidenna and his family were attacked by
his job as Congresswoman Maxine Waters books from various religions, including the armed robbers who waylaid their minibus
chief of staff to work with Mone and the Talmud and the Koran. I always do the on the way to the airport. The profoundly
Wondaland artists. We would go places same rituals, he says. I read out of one of traumatic incident is one of his earliest
and people would be like, Classic Man! those books, I pray, I ip the rice in the air, memories. When one of the attackers red
Nobody knew his fucking name. With a I smoke, I drink and I make a record. And a warning shot into the ground, it struck
single song that matched his hyperstyl- I call upon the ancestors of music to help Jidenna in the foot. I just remember the
ized image to a fault, Jidenna seemed, to me out. warmth of a bullet in your body, he says,
the uninitiated, to be the very model of a Though hes a serious fan of both Kanye and the blood just warming me. The per-
one-hit wonder. and Drake his obsession with The College petrators got distracted after another car
But the artist himself never feared that Dropout nearly convinced him to drop out hit an obstacle theyd placed in the road,
fate. Once they think they gure it out himself, and he credits Drake and J. Cole and Jidennas family escaped. My mom
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with Classic Man no, brother, he says. for paving the way for middle-class rap- puts me on her back, he says, and we run
That aint all of me, nigga! Thats just me pers it was another category of artist al- through the jungle. Somebody eventually
in a suit. I knew I had a width and a depth together that got him to add singing to his takes me off her back, and then I blacked
that was just waiting to go out. He kept his palette: I got into my classic-rock phase. out. I remember them coming after us,
look, pushing it further with the collarless Paul McCartney and Marvin Gaye and Led shooting as were running into the jungle.
Nigerian suits known as up-and-downs Zeppelin and Marley were bigger inuenc- And the hiss of snakes, sssssssss and
the day we meet in New York, hes wear- es. I just happened to be smoking a lot of blackout.
ing a green number, paired with a pocket motherfuckin weed. He still smokes, and And how did that horror affect him? It
square, a wooden-brimmed fedora and likes to balance it with alcohol, though hes either fucks you up, says Jidenna, who ad-
unlaced Timberlands: There are denite slowed down on the latter. At least I dont mits to yearning for revenge over the inci-
handsome-leprechaun vibes. As with his drink before noon anymore, he says with a dent, or makes you a really good person.
other suits, his up-and-downs are bespoke. laugh, cracking open a beer around 2 p.m. And is he a good person? I was a good
Im not worried about being called weird one Monday in the basement of the Ed Sul- kid, he says, sipping a sidecar in a hotel
livan Theater in New York, where hes about lounge the evening of his Colbert perfor-
Senior writer Bria n Hiatt interviewed to perform Bambi on The Late Show With mance. I became a great man. . . . Good is
John Oliver in February. Stephen Colbert. Ive been drunk for years, for suckers. Im a great person. Meaning,

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1 ber the last time, bro! Im not like the fun
rapper telling you Im fucking, like, a hun-
Hail to the dred bitches and shit. Im not, man. Im
Chief really not. Im out here like regular people,
wishing, thinking, jerking off at night,
(1) Performing
Bambi on The Late
singing songs, drinking in a hotel, mak-
Show With Stephen ing Bambi records. This is, he admits, a
Colbert in March. (2) waste of his burgeoning celebrity, but hes
With Janelle Mone at not a one-night-stand guy, and anyway, he
a Black Lives Matter doesnt trust random women not to post
march in Chicago, stuff about him on social media. You wake
2015. Jidenna is up, and a womans up before you, shes on
signed to Mones Snapchat, you gotta wonder. . . .
label, Wondaland.
(3) As a toddler, with

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his dad. A village
h e n j i de n n a
chief in his native heard about
Nigeria, Jidennas Donald Trumps
father attended MIT election, he was
and created the so grateful. Its
ASUTECH 800, one of gonna make the
the first computers to messages that I
be manufactured in have for the world more effective, he says,
sub-Saharan Africa. casually. Really? Jidenna, who, to be fair,
is on his third sidecar of the evening, nods.
I prayed, and this is what came in prayer:
You cannot have Moses without Pharaoh.
He also received a song in his prayer, with
the chorus It aint the end of the world/
Just the end of the day. He repurposed
it for a line in the new song Bully of the
Earth, which is about his dad as much as
its about Trump.
Jidenna himself isnt Moses in his sce-
nario, or at least not the only Moses. (Do
I have a messianic complex? Of course
I do. . . . All Im doing is recognizing my
power. But do I think Im above a sin-
gle human being? Hell fucking no, are
you crazy? Ill pick up dirt, Ill clean up
shit, Ill do whatever I got to do to live on
2 this planet.) Hes aggressive about being
progressive and convinced that the ex-
to understand. He accepted that I was se- tremism of Trumps agenda will wake
3
rious about music, and so he said, Youre people up and create a powerful liberal
an inventor. That was the way he rational- backlash that could pay off as soon as 2018
ized it. He said, Late at night, do you get while also paving the way for a new era of
in my intention, my passion and anything struck with ideas? I said, Yeah, yeah. And deeper music and culture. Does this sound
I do, whether clean or dirty, is great. thats how we started bonding. naive? he asks. It does a little bit. It does.
After the attack, his mother insisted In the last months of his life, his dad gave Jidenna isnt scared to echo the kind
on moving him to the U.S., but his father Jidenna some advice. He said, If youre of bold statements that led some to label
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stayed behind in Nigeria for a few years gonna do music, make sure you put a mir- even pre-Trump-supporting Kanye as un-
until he had a stroke and was forced to ror to the world, so people see themselves. stable. If people call him nuts, hes heard it
surrender to his wifes care. As Jidenna Make sure you invent yourself, you invent before. That college spiritual experience,
recalls, his dad, who had already been dic- music thats never been heard. Invent an which freed Jidenna from suicidal lows,
tatorial, was now sometimes downright ir- album thats never been done. If you are led him to drop his engineering studies in
rational he went from demanding perfect not innovative, then you are not my son. favor of courses on religious rituals, and at
grades to berating his son for becoming Jidenna laughs a little. He was intense, one point had him singing with mountain
rst in his class: Ah-ah, youre number he says. Im intense. Hed like to have lions under a full moon. Ive gone way
one, now what will you do? Now you can his own family eventually, but at the mo- far, bro, says Jidenna, who admires Jay Zs
only go down from number one! Why are ment, he blames his own intensity for a bit composure as much as Kanyes passion.
you number one? of loneliness. Im still trying to gure out Jidennas musical goals, at least, are
For years, Jidenna says soberly, I hated how to hold a woman right now because simple enough, if lofty and when hes
him. I revere him now, but I couldnt stand my standards for myself and other people achieved them, hell concentrate on acting
him. And his dad equally loathed the idea are high, he says. My father did some- (hes already been on HBOs Insecure) and
of his brilliant son becoming a musician. thing to my brain where Im always search- entrepreneurship. Most artists just rule a
He was like, How are you going to change ing for extreme excellence. decade, Jidenna says, taking one last sip of
the world with music? But in the last So, he says, Right now, man, Im single his drink, breaking into one more big smile.
year before his death in 2010, Oliver began and Im not even fucking. I cant remem- So Im out here to rule a decade, bro.

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Hes been called a
madman and a genius.
But after ve decades of
obsessive lmmaking,

The
hes still seeking a
deeper truth

Peculiar
Mr.
Herzog
By
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ot far from the big round dome atop
the Griffith Observatory, leaning on a railing
that overlooks the Greater Los Angeles sink-

Erik hole, the German director Werner Herzog, 74,


removes a tissue from his pocket and dabs at his

Hedegaard eyes. His eyes are leaking. Theyve been leaking


for the past hour or so. The tear uid builds up in
the corner of one of his blue eyes, then starts to cascade down his cheeks,
Photograph by halted only when he dab, dab, dabs.

Dan Winters He does not explain this. In fact, him being Herzog, he would never ex-
plain this, if only because its not in his nature to even think about some-
thing so trivial and beside the point. Only one thing matters to him: his
movies. Hes got two new feature lms coming out: Salt and Fire, an eco-
logical thriller, and Queen of the Desert, a biopic about the British explor-
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he opened a Herzog retrospective that in- possibilities for a deeper stratum of truth, his students be people who have worked
cludes everything hes ever done, from his although please dont ask me what I mean as bouncers in a sex club or have been war-
early career-establishers (1972s Aguirre, by truth, because nobody can answer that dens in the lunatic asylum, and featured
the Wrath of God and 1982s Fitzcarraldo) one. But, you see, we are creators. What I courses on the art of lock-picking and forg-
to his more recent documentaries (2016s do is elevate the audience. Im intensify- ing lming permits. He knows how to hyp-
Lo and Behold, Reveries of the Connected ing facts to such a degree that they start to notize chickens. He spent two years in the
World, about the possible existential con- get the glow of illumination for you. They Amazon jungle trying to haul a steamboat
sequences of an Internet-driven world), acquire insight and poetry of an ecstatic over a mountain for Fitzcarraldo. Earlier,
along the way revealing much about what nature, like medieval monks. while lming Aguirre, the Wrath of God,
interests and fascinates him in brief, A moment of silence follows. Herzogs the star of that lm, the late, totally insane
everything. Hes made movies about no- words hang in the air with the kind of Klaus Kinski, threatened to leave the proj-
mads, auctioneers, televangelists, monks, signicance that only he, with his even- ect. Herzog said hed shoot him, and Kin-
hot-air balloonists, ski-jumping wood- keeled, softly forceful delivery, can bring ski stayed put. When Kinski was writing
carvers, volcanic eruptions, cave paint- to them. Its the same delivery that inhab- his autobiography, he and Herzog, Rogets
ings, grizzly-loving (and eventually griz- its his documentaries and lms, and thus Thesaurus in hand, collaborated on Kin-
zly-eaten) loner outdoorsmen, desolate makes him and his movies seem inter- skis description of the director as dull,
Antarctic snowscapes, the list does not twined and all part of some kind of ongo- humorless, uptight, inhibited . . . hateful,
end. Hes been called a genius, a mad- ing public performance. malevolent. Also long-winded: Even if
man, a visionary, the last great hallu- his throat were cut and his head were

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cinator in cinema and that list does not he most importa n t chopped off, speech balloons would still
end either. thing to know about Herzog dangle from his mouth.
Today, hes frowning and speaking in his is that his first childhood And yet what does any of it really say
famous half-at, half-amused Germanic memory is of the Bavarian about Herzog, the pallor-faced, balding,
voice. Yes, they are showing all 70 of my city of Rosenheim, during slightly rumpled figure standing here
lms, he says, but there may be more. It the last World War, engulfed today? In a sense, it all seems to obscure
depends on how you count. For example, in re after a bombing raid in 1945, as seen the man as much as reveal him.
some people count the eight lms in my at night from a distant hill, he and his Herzog and his family returned to Mu-
Death Row series as one lm. So, do you older brother brought there by their moth- nich when he was 12; he began watching
count it as eight or do you count it as one? I er, to witness the kind of destruction that lms, came across a 15-page encyclope-
guess it depends on your mood. He pauses. had caused them to ee Munich and live dia entry on lmmaking and discovered
Then he says, Ive never counted them my- in a remote backwoods Ba- his lifes purpose. He kick-
self. I dont care. varian Alps village, no run- started his dreams by steal-
Which is just like him to say, to display ning water, no toilets, no ing a camera from a Munich
a good bit of interest in the mundane, then phones, cut off from all civi- lm school, with not a sec-
proclaim no interest whatsoever. On the lization but for this one sur- onds regret. I dont consid-
other hand, theres no curbing his ardor real vision. er it theft, he once said. It
once he starts in on how his documentaries Right now, Herzog is look- They call was just a necessity. I had
are so vastly different from almost everyone ing out at the vast sweep of some sort of natural right
elses, mainly because his contain made-up Los Angeles, but his thoughts
me mad. for a camera. So, even then,
elements, which he believes is a good thing, are still on the re. But I dont he was full of himself. And
since pure fact is apparently just another At the end of the valley, today he says, Very early in
hobgoblin of the feebleminded. he says, you saw the sky or- care. I life, I have understood my
In the lm I did about the oil res burn- ange and yellowish and red. have a destiny. My destiny has been
ing in Kuwait, he says, puffing up his chest And my mother said, Boys, made known to me. And I
a little, it starts off with a quote from [17th- the city of Rosenheim is duty to my have a duty to it. They some-
century philosopher and physicist] Blaise burning. The entire sky was destiny. times call me mad. But

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Pascal. And its a beautiful one. It says, The pulsing. And I knew there thats just a projection of
collapse of the stellar universe will occur was a big city out there burn- The only things, maybe of my leading
like creation, in grandiose splendor. But
Blaise Pascal did not say that. I did.
ing. And it was more beauti-
ful than anything. Such was
thing that characters, onto the person
who created them. If I could
Without explaining how making up his rst taste of the glow of il- counts is be anonymous, that would
quotes improves anything, he swiftly offers
another example, this one involving the ra-
lumination that is, in theory
at least, at the heart of all his
whats up be best. But I dont care. I
dont care whether they
dioactive albino mutant crocodiles that ap- documentaries. on the label me. The only thing that
pear at the end of 2010s Cave of Forgotten As to the heart of the man counts is whats up on the
Dreams. Seems that while they are indeed himself, the stories most
screen. screen. He looks down at his
albino, theyre not radioactive or mutant, often trotted out to dene feet. He goes on, I own very,
Herzog snorts. My producer said, You him have always been of the look-at-Her- very few things. The shoes Im wearing are
cannot do that because if you do, one day zog-isnt-he-nuts variety, and they are le- the only shoes that I own, along with a pair
theyll take you away in a straitjacket. And gion. He walked 1,000 miles to propose of heavy boots and a pair of really good
I said, Fine! Thats a moment I look for- to his rst wife. A random, errant bullet sandals. This is what I wear. He plucks at
ward to! He goes on, Those who tell you winged him in the gut during a live in- his sweater. I wear the same sweater all
we should be like the y on the wall are los- terview once (and to whom but Herzog the time. Its wool.
ers. Losers! They make what I call the ac- could this ever have happened?) and he His rst lm was a short, in 1962, titled
countants truth. But I am fascinated by the kept right on talking, brushing aside the Herakles, and featured bodybuilders in-
wound as coming from an insignicant tercut with scenes from a Le Mans car-
Contributing editor Erik Hedega ard bullet. He started a lm school called the race wreck that cost some 80 spectators
wrote about Glenn Beck in October. Rogue Film School, said he preferred that their lives. For me, it was fascinating to

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edit material together that had Does he have any vices?
such separate and individual Lips purse. No. Nothing
lives, he once said, a technique THE ESSENTIAL comes to mind.
that hes used ever since, some-
times making it up as he goes
WERNER HERZOG What makes him happy?
A scowl, one that pulls to-
along, what with his phony For nearly 55 years, hes chronicled the gether many of the folds and
weird, the strange and the obsessed
crocodiles and all. Then, in creases in his face. Oh, hap-
1972, came Aguirre, the Wrath piness isnt of so much impor-
of God, which follows a Span- Aguirre, the tance to me.
ish soldier, played by Kinski, Wrath of God 1972 What is he afraid of?
as he searches for El Dorado, Man and nature, the Fear is not in my vocabu-
the lost city of gold, and only primal conict in nearly lary. It just doesnt exist in me.
all Herzog lms, nds
finds madness and death. It The scarier a situation gets,
its fullest, ercest
bombed and was immediately expression in this tale of the more calm I am.
dropped by theaters. This is conquistadors, madness He once said, In my pro-
it, Herzog says he thought. and obsession. fession, you have to know the
Im fucked. In 1975, howev- heart of men. So what about
er, two small theaters in Paris his heart? Does he know it?
Nosferatu, the
picked it back up and started Vampyre 1979 His mouth turns down,
it on a sold-out run that lasted Herzogs tribute to F.W. his lips press hard, he shakes
for two and a half years. So, it Murnaus great silent his head. Look. I dont cir-
caught on, says Herzog, but lm of 1922 is an indel- cle around my own navel. Im
even then not very well, but a ible take on the Dracula not interested in myself. You
decade later it was rereleased legend, with Klaus Kinski should not expose the deepest
looking unsettlingly rat-
and two decades later rere- recesses of your own soul. It
like as the title character.
leased, and all of a sudden it doesnt do anyone any good.
became some sort of a house- Before he goes, however,
hold item. But it took 35 years. Fitzcarraldo 1982 Herzog says a few more things
Through it all, hes been Rubber baron Fitzcarral- about himself. He sometimes
married three times (It has do (Kinski, more crazed cries during movies, and once,
somehow been harsh to live than ever) hires a crew while watching a silent film
to pull a steamship over
with me), had three kids, told a mountain in the jungles
called La Passion de Jeanne
one and all he doesnt own a of Peru. Only Herzog dArc, he fainted dead away, as
cellphone and said a bunch would do it for real, he also tends to do whenever
of other portentous stuff like, screw special effects. blood is drawn from his arm.
Men are haunted by things Hes never tasted any kind of
that happen to them in life. illicit drug and is not in favor
Little Dieter
And what haunts him? Needs to Fly 1997 of legal drugs either. I have
I dont want to understand The limits of one mans taken less than 10 aspirins
what haunts me, he says. I do endurance is the theme in my whole life, he says. He
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not like self-inspection. that attracted Herzog will enjoy a glass of red wine,
Hes going on now about to tell the true story of but the last time he got drunk
President Trump, saying, Hes Dieter Dengler, a pilot he was 13. He has no hobbies.
taken prisoner and tor-
the rst time you have a real in- Not a one.
tured by the Viet Cong.
dependent. Hes turned against Hes entirely single-mind-
the Republican Party, and hes ed, every action directed to-
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vehemently against the media, Grizzly Man 2005 ward the re-creation, in one
justiably so to some degree, Arguably the peak in way or another, of the fires
and I nd this a very signi- Herzogs biographi- that burned Rosenheim to the
cal documentaries.
cant novelty. I see signicant ground.
Activist Timothy
changes and significant new Treadwell lived among While promoting Grizzly
approaches. Trump and Ber- the grizzlies of Alaska Man, My wife, Lena, took
nie Sanders stuck out because until one clawed him a photo where you can see a
hes authentic. And its mys- to death in 2003. grizzly bear right behind me.
terious how Trump is getting She was worried about my
away with literally everything. safety. But I couldnt care less.
I see it with great, strange fas- I only disliked the situation
cination. Very, very unusual. He refuses to New York, no electricity, no running water, because the bear was so close that I could
specically say whether he likes Trump or tens of thousands of people roaming the smell his very foul breath. Its a very foul
not, but it often sounds like he does. streets in search for a toilet. Theres only breath. So I didnt like that. But that was
Then he talks about the Internet and Central Park for food, and only a few squir- the only thing. He pauses, then goes on,
some of the dangers featured in Lo and Be- rels there. Im not that interested in whether I per-
hold. We are a civilization that is overde- Left to his own devices, hell go on like ish or not. It would be of very minor signi-
pendent on the Internet at a time when the this forever, spinning out his various vi- cance. As long, of course, as his lms, all
population is at least one and a half times sions of the world. After a while, however, 70 or 78 of them, hes never counted, sur-
too big. If the Internet goes down, all the it gets to be a little much. His distaste for vive his bloody mauling and stick around
basic things of our civilization will be wiped self-inspection noted, perhaps its time to to glow with such illumination as only he
out. Itll be like Hurricane Katrina [but] in wander over that way again anyhow. alone is capable of producing.

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Close to my heart she came,
Only to y away.
Only to y,
As day ies from moonlight.
This Nearly Was Mine

Dylan,
Deep in
the Wee
Small
Hours
His third collection
of standards exudes
and celebrates
a majestic darkness

Bob Dylan
Triplicate Columbia
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BY MIKAL GILMORE

Bob Dylans third foray into


songs previously recorded by
Frank Sinatra isnt only the
largest set of new recordings
hes ever released (three CDs,
30 songs), its also majestic in
its own right. Dylan moves
through this area the region
of Sinatra, and also of stan-
dards songwriters like Irving
Berlin, Jerome Kern, Hoagy
Carmichael, Richard Rodgers
and Oscar Hammerstein as
if its territory for him to chart
and command. Indeed, Dylan
has now made more successive
albums in this idiom than in
any other style since his world-
changing mid-1960s electric
trinity, Bringing It All Back
Home, Highway 61 Revisited
and Blonde on Blonde.
Thats stunning and not only
because of the albums grand
latter-day vision. When Dylan
issued his rst set of Sinatra-
related songs, 2015s Shadows
in the Night, the project re-

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f lected the history of Ameri- strings, invoking the tide that
Computer love:
can musics oldest cultural war; eventually rolls in for every-
Charli XCX
the songs Dylan chose for that body. Dylans band creates the
album, and a follow-up vol- same undertow effect, sound-
ume, last years Fallen Angels, ing just as full, with Donnie
showed how well he understood Herrons steel guitar and Tony
Sinatra and the rareed Great Garniers bowed bass.
American Songbook era of Tin When Dylan rst decided to
Pan Alley and Broadway mu- sing Sinatra, the idea seemed
sicals. When the rise of out- far-fetched. Did he have a voice
sider forms country music, left that was possibly up to it?
rhythm & blues, rockabilly Dylan made plain at the outset
displaced all that in the 1950s, of Shadows in the Night, in the
some reacted as if barbarians opening measures of Im a Fool
had stormed the gates. Sina- to Want You the most den-
tra was among them. Rock & ing of all Sinatra songs, and
roll smells phony and false, he one of his only co-writing cred-
said. Dylan, though, had done its he was better than up to it:
something even more radical He did the song dead-seriously,
maybe worse and he knew and chillingly. Smooth is not a
it. Tin Pan Alley is gone, he word you would use to describe
said in 1985. I put an end to Dylans weatherworn voice. But
it. People can record their own he can wield phrasing as effec-
songs now. tively as Sinatra himself.
With the monumental Trip- Dylan uses only a quin-
licate, hes certainly made tet throughout Triplicate, no
amends. Though Dylan re- strings, no big band (though
cently won the Nobel Prize in
Literature for his own song-
writing that is, for how he ex-
theres a small dance horn sec-
tion here and there). They re-
create the solemn openings to
Charli XCX
panded the arts with his use of
language songs have always
been much more to him than
Stormy Weather and It Gets
Lonely Early in all but instru-
mentation. Hes picked his rep-
Gets Down With
wordcraft. Music itself car-
ries as much meaning. A song
isnt a song without melody,
ertoire carefully and mean-
ingfully here. Of the 50-some
albums he released between In
the Robots
harmony and voice. the Wee Small Hours, in 1955, The hook-monster U.K. diva combines chilly
Time and again he proves and 1970s Watertown, Sinatra noises and hot lyrics on a fun mixtape
the same thing on Triplicate. made about a dozen exploring
Though a handful of songs here loss, masterpieces every one. Charli XCX Number 1 Angel Asylum HHH
are delightful bounces (includ- Dylan culls more than half of
ing the opening track, I Guess Triplicates songs from those Charli XCX was already an alternative-leaning
Ill Have to Change My Plans) releases particularly favoring pop star when she dropped 2014s Sucker, an
and some easygoing almost- Sinatras often-overlooked last EDM reinvention of quirky Eighties New Wave.
blues (That Old Feeling, The LP for Capitol, Point of No Re- But in the past year and a half, the 24-year-
Best Is Yet to Come), most are turn, from 1962. old singer has taken a neon night drive into the
downbeat, spectral ballads. In He closes Triplicate, though, avant-garde. For her 2016 EP, Vroom Vroom, her recent single
songs like I Could Have Told with something Sinatra sang After the Afterparty, and this 10-song, 37-minute mixtape,
You, Heres That Rainy Day many years earlier: Why Was Charli has teamed with artists associated with the London
and Once Upon a Time ru- I Born, written by Kern and label PC Music people like A.G. Cook and Sophie, whose
minations on a memory of loss Hammerstein in 1929. Its a blipping simulacrum of pop music sounds like an arch joke
that is now central to the sing- torch standard that epitomizes about consumerism. Quite a move for someone who sang with
ers being Dylan raises devas- the sort of writing that Dylan Iggy Azalea on Fancy.
tation to a painful beauty. Other killed off, asking the biggest But Angel makes this pioneering human-hologram aesthetic
times, he intimates something questions Why was I born?/ seem far more natural and cohesive than it did on the harsh,
ghostly. In Sinatras original Why am I living?/What do I sculptural Vroom Vroom. The beats arent as abrasive; her vo-
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1965 version of September of get?/What am I giving? on cals are distended in ways that are disorienting but not jarring.
My Years, arranger Gordon the most personal level. Dylan is The subject matter is still classic pop, mostly about sex and cars,
Jenkins opened with an eddy of no stranger to dejection or hard with the yearning in the lyrics compounding the nostalgic feel of
self-examination. What he un- the music. On ILY2 and Emotional, the drones start to suf-
derstands here is the triumph in focate, creating a combination of wistful, erotic and isolated. In
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these albums at that survival, and how you put Loving what youre doing to me, she sings in White Roses),
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out why you were born. music reboot of Blade Runner. CHRISTOPHER R. WEINGARTEN

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return for their rst LP since 1998 time over an eclectic groove explores womens lives with Patti Smiths guitarist

After 30 years in the darklands, In the age of DJ Khaled and A thousand artists muse/But Waylon Jennings widow and
the Jesus and Mary Chain re- Snapchat celebs, Mr. World- youll be anything you choose, Shooters mom, Jessi Colter, is
main a tribute to the power of wide is like a versatile old- observes Laura Marling on also a forebear of outlaw-coun-
goth guitar noise, surly frowns school showman. Here, Pitbull her sixth album, Semper Fe- try-minded kin like Miranda
and the kind of grudges only brings on Robin Thicke, Aero- mina, which ditches male pro- Lambert. Here, Colter returns
a pair of Scottish brothers can smiths Joe Perry and Blink- nouns to focus on womens lives with biblical Psalms set to music
hold. Their rst studio album 182 drummer Travis Barker for and feminine mystique. Nick shaped by Lenny Kaye. The re-
since 1998 is full of fabulously Bad Man, which is like U2s Drake haunts The Valley, and sult isnt far from Kayes work
morbid gems like Simian Split Desire as Miami club thun- Joni Mitchell remains a touch- with Patti Smith clean guitar
(I killed Kurt Cobain/I put the der, and gives the Soup Drag- stone (Nouel). Producer Blake and a piano pushing words up
shot right through his brain) ons rave-pop classic Im Free Mills highlights Marlings gui- front. In Psalm 73, Colter pon-
and Mood Rider, with its Hall- a reggaeton tint on Freedom. tar while adding his own. But ders the prosperity of the wick-
mark-ready motto, Kill every- The guy who promises to pull Marlings voice just grows stron- ed over a glistening electric gui-
body whos hip. Highlight: a little hair/Smack a little oooh ger: On Wild Fire, advising a tar. Theres a lot to it, she says
Black and Blues, starring Sky on Educate Ya may not always lover or frenemy to stop play- on the album with a chuckle a
Ferreira as the just-like-honey be as charming as his one-world ing that shit out on me, shes preacher who reminds you these
muse who sings along but refus- groove, but he knows how to a wordy folk-soul queen of her lines were outlaw sentiments
es to cheer them up. ROB SHEFFIELD host a party. JON DOLAN own making. WILL HERMES once, too. WILL HERMES

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A Texas
Middle Age in Revolt Turkey
T2 Trainspotting
Ewan McGregor Song to Song
Directed by Danny Boyle Rooney Mara, Ryan Gosling,
HHH Michael Fassbender
Directed by Terrence Malick
in 1996, tr ainspotting, H
from Irvine Welshs 1993 novel,
emerged as one of the great the music scen e i n aus-
British lms of its era, bris- tin is alive with talent and en-
tling with incendiary dar- ergy. But not enough to bust
ing. The daring dims a bit in director Terrence Malick out
T2 Trainspotting, though re- of the funk of his recent work
turning director Danny Boyle (Knight of Cups, To the Wonder).
and screenwriter John Hodge Song to Song, despite glimps-
do their damnedest to force es of Patti Smith, Iggy Pop and
lightning to strike twice. Two Lykke Li, has no music in its
decades on, four of the slum- SCOTTISH empty soul. Malick indulg-
dwelling Scottish junkies who PLAY es in his usual visual tropes,
McGregor
caught that generation-den- with characters wandering
ing moment of youth in revolt around aimlessly while mutter-
have had some of the piss taken says Veronika. Mark also nds characters have lost in the in-
out of their characters. his old mate Spud (a splen- tervening years. But Boyle of-
When we left Mark Rent did Ewen Bremner), now scor- fers a fierce, funny and sur-
Boy Renton (Ewan Mc- ing dope off dealers half his prisingly touching take on
Gregor), hed betrayed his age. The script, loosely adapt- smack-addled Peter Pans fac-
mates in a heroin deal. Hes ed from Welshs 2002 follow- ing the formidable foe of mid-
back to make amends. First up, Porno, is laced with savage dle age. Simon says Mark is
stop is Simon Sick Boy Wil- laughs; the prevailing tone is a tourist in his own youth Fassbender
liamson (Jonny Lee Miller), regret. It gets scarily violent T2 Trainspotting may feel and
Gosling
who blackmails rich johns with the return of Begbie (Rob- like that for those who raised
with the help of girlfriend Ve- ert Carlyle), just busted out of a st in unison with the rst
ronika (a terric Anjela Nedy- an Edinburgh prison. lms deance. Theres hard- ing mock-profound thoughts
alkova), a Bulgarian sex work- Alluding to the storys past won wisdom at work here, as in voice-over. Camera master
er. McGregor and Miller play with ashbacks is a risky de- well as an aching sense of loss. Emmanuel Lubezkis visuals
off each other beautifully. You vice that underscores the rush Any way you look at it, T2 takes are gorgeous, but no substitute
two should fuck each other, of blood the Trainspotting a piece out of you. for narrative momentum. The
plot revolves around Rooney
Maras Faye, an unchanging ex-
pression in search of a charac-
Woody Harrelson Gets Really Weird ter. Shes roused by Ryan Gos-
lings BV, a fellow songwriter.
But she screws up their rela-
Wilson she aborted 17 years tionship with bouts of violent
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Woody Harrelson
Directed by Craig Johnson
adoptive parents. Cook, a volatile music manag-
HH Wilson tracks down er. I was desperate to feel some-
his daughter, Claire thing real, says Faye. Uh-huh.
woody harrelson is the (an excellent Isabel- Natalie Portman is thrown in
life of this party, based on la Amara), whos got as a waitress who takes up, trag-
the graphic novel by Daniel a Wilson-wide cyni- ically, with Cook. The great Cate
Clowes (Ghost World). Har- Harrelson cal streak, and asks Blanchett shows up as a new
relson has the right anarchic in the her to let him ex- love for BV; she roams barefoot,
spirit for Clowes world. Wilson swing of plain himself. Di- musing about her tragic past.
things
is a neurotic grouch who rails saster awaits, but so It all drags on for 130 minutes
against the Internet and enjoys does Clowes serio- (rst cut reportedly was eight
making people squirm. What is Wilsons reunion with ex- comic tightrope walk. Missed hours). Says Faye, Any expe-
sparks the plot for screenwrit- wife Pippi (a stellar Laura opportunities hobble the film, rience is better than no expe-
er Clowes and director Craig Dern), a recovering junkie who but Harrelson is in there pitch- rience. Not this time: Song to
Johnson (The Skeleton Twins) tells him the baby he thought ing his best game. Song hits all the wrong notes.

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TRUMP THE DESTROYER ence between prociency and growth? he the pope. Whatever your lowest common
says. Id be like, Youre kind of an asshole. denominator is, Trump will bring it out and
[Cont. from 41] Security reports showing When asked if he thinks Puzder should make sport of it.
little risk from immigrants of Muslim ban have been conrmed, Worthington nods. The same phenomenon is now in play
countries to alleged orders to consider re- Yeah, we dont get Carls Jr. up here, he with the whole world. President Trump,
opening CIA black sites. D.C. has never says. But I like their commercials. following Bannons lead, describes the
seen anything like it: Reporters are able to press as an opposition party out to get
get damaging information about the go- u e s d a y, f e b r u a r y 2 8 t h , a him, and before long, they basically are.
ings-on inside agencies just by cold-calling
the right numbers.
The administration is so concerned with
T joint session of Congress, the last
day of Trumps rst full month in
office. Its less than a minute into his rst
Trump accuses the Democratic National
Committee of rigging the game against
Bernie Sanders; new DNC chair Tom
leakers within the State Department that major national address, and Trump is al- Perez, in a tweet that could play in the
Tillerson has supposedly banned note-tak- ready eyeballs-deep in bull. Borscht Belt, says Trumps weekly address
ing at meetings. The level of paranoia is off Recent threats targeting Jewish com- was translated from the original Russian
the charts, reports a former senior official. munity centers and vandalism of Jewish and everything. Even before Trump trolls
Tillerson himself is said to have post- cemeteries, he says, remind us that. . . we Sweden, Swedish Deputy Prime Minister
poned some diplomatic business to focus on are a country that stands united in con- Isabella Lvin trolls him, running a photo
what is euphemistically described as x- demning hate and evil in all of its very ugly of herself signing a law while surrounded
ing the State Department. Probably this forms. Just hours before, he told a group by women a parody of the already-in-
means more weeding out of civil servants, of state attorneys general that hate crimes famous photo of Trump signing an anti-
something going on across government. against Jews were overblown, that some- abortion executive order while surrounded
Most infamously, Attorney General times its the reverse, to make people or entirely by men.
Sessions fast becoming the poster child to make others look bad. And when Rachel Maddow nally gets
for the Trump administrations inability Trump moves on to what the press will hold of a tiny slice of Trumps tax returns,
to avoid stepping on its own genitalia describe as an emotional moment. He instead of soberly reporting it as a small-
asked 46 U.S. attorneys to resign, including recognizes Carryn Owens, the widow of but-intriguing piece of a larger picture,
Southern District of New York chief Preet a Navy SEAL whose death Trump only she hypes it on Twitter like the scoop of
Bharara, who reportedly was specically hours before had blamed on both the pre- the century exactly as Trump would have
asked to stay on just after the election. vious administration and his generals. But done. Social media blasted Maddow as the
Some of these moves sound like Ban- on TV, Mrs. Owens sobs as Trump says her second coming of Geraldo Rivera opening
nons much-publicized bent toward Lenin- husband Ryans name had been etched up Al Capones vault. Everything connect-
ist thinking: Purge unbelievers, ll the bu- into eternity. ed with Trump becomes tabloidized. The
reaucracies with loyal dunces, concentrate The press goes wild. Van Jones of CNN, show is unstoppable.
power, eschew governance goals for politi- for years a fervent critic of Trump who Nearly two years into our relationship
cal ones. But its hard to say how much una- notably called Trumps electoral victory a with Donald Trump, politician, his core
nimity of purpose there could be. whitelash, gushes that Trump became schtick is no longer really a secret. The new
When Sessions got caught up seeming to president of the United States during the president swings wildly between buffoon
have lied to the Senate about meeting Rus- Owens episode. and strongman acts, creating confusion
sian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, a video The New York Times, denounced as an and disorder. While his enemies scramble
surfaced showing a scene in which Trump enemy of the American people just over a to make sense of the outrages of a week
was reportedly raining expletives on Ban- week before, raves about the speech. They before or yesterday or 10 minutes ago, and
non and others over the Sessions asco. If describe the optimistic address as sooth- spend valuable energy wondering whether
all this chaos is part of a cunning plan to ing comfort food in which Trump seemed the man is crazy or stupid or cunning (or
destroy government from within, it sure is to accept the fetters of formality and tradi- perhaps all three things at once), Trump
cleverly disguised as a bunch of paranoid tion that dene and dignify the presidency. continually presses forward.
amateurs ailing around and turning on The soft-touch treatment seems to make We always assumed there was a goal
one another weeks into the job. no sense, until one remembers that the behind it all: cattle cars, race war, autoc-
One reporter tasked with covering the pundit class is the cheapest of dates, and racy. But those were last centurys ver-
appointments says the staffing issue comes while President Trump may be a dolt, the sions of tyranny. It would make perfect
down to the same question we always have reality-show Trump is as clever a manipu- sense if modern Americas contribution to
about Trump: Is this a scheme to destroy lator as American politics has ever seen. the genre were far dumber. Trump in the
government, or cluelessness? Its just so Brilliantly, hes turned the presidency into White House may just be a monkey clutch-
hard to tell, he says, where this falls on the a permanent campaign, one in which an os- ing historys biggest hand grenade. Yes, hes
stupid-to-evil spectrum. tensibly hostile news media has once again always one step ahead of us, and more dan-
While the chaos of Trumps rst months become accomplice to whatever the Trump gerous than any smart person, and we can
has caused him problems in the Beltway, it phenomenon is, by voraciously feeding at never for a minute take our eyes off him.
seems not to have hurt him a lick with his its nancial troth. But while we keep looking for his hidden
fans. After the CPAC speech, Trump sup- The genius of Trump has always been agenda, its our growing addiction to the
porters offer their takes on the nominee his knack for transforming everyone in his spectacle of his car-wreck presidency that
battles. The consensus? The Democrats orbit into a reality-TV character. As a can- is the real threat. He is already making idi-
who opposed Trumps picks are a bunch of didate, he goaded Lindsey Graham into ots and accomplices of us all, bringing out
smartasses who need to lighten up. putting a cellphone in a blender, inspired the worst in each of us, making us dumber
University of Delaware student Daniel pseudo-intellectual Rand Paul to put out a just by watching. Even if Trump never
Worthington says the Democrats grilling video of himself chain-sawing a tax code in learns to govern, after four years of this we
of DeVos really rubbed him the wrong way. half, and pushed Marco Rubio into making will forget what civilization ever looked
You come off as douchey, when some- jokes about dong size during a debate. He like and it will be programming, not
bodys like, Oh, you dont know the differ- even managed to get into a public spat with policy, that will have changed the world.

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THE
LAST
WORD

Ray Davies
The Kinks leader on success, ignoring your past, and why
starting a band with your brother leads to bloodshed
Youre from the Muswell Hill neighborhood in London. Whats the Considering all the problems you had with your bandmates, do you
most Muswell Hill thing about you? ever wish youd just been a solo artist from Day One?
I was born in transit. My parents lived in Central London, and I like the freedom of being solo, but sometimes I miss the band
they moved to Muswell Hill during the Second World War to get annoying me by saying they dont like the drum sounds or the
away from the bombings. Their house was nearly demolished, so lyric or whatever. In many respects, Ive always been a solo artist.
Im a bit like a refugee. Thats why I wrote the Muswell Hillbillies With a song like Waterloo Sunset, I wouldnt let the band hear
album. Its about people who were displaced, looking for a new life. the lyrics until Id done the back track, because the subject mat-
Its also about urban renewal, which is not a cool subject for a rec- ter is quite personal. But, fair due to the band. They went with it,
ord. But since I was born in transit, Ive continued to live in the mo- and we got good results.
ment, just living wherever I am that day. They also caused you a lot of grief.
How do you relax? I could take that to a certain extent. At the end of the day, if we
I write outlines and short stories. I nd it make good records, thats all that matters.
therapeutic. Relaxing has always been dif- If someone came to you and said they were thinking about
cult, because my mind is very active. I starting a band with their brother, what would you say?
cant think of anything that would ap- Good luck. It didnt do bad for the Carpenters or the
pall me more than a beach. I did that Everly Brothers. But whenever families work together,
once in Bermuda and got sunburnt. the rivalry is always there. Therell be bloodshed. We
What is your tness regimen like? broke and smashed guitars, we ruined studios, tele-
I go to the gym three times a week. visions were thrown out of the window. But theres
London is very hilly, so you have to walk still a deep love and affection beneath all of that.
up hills, like it or not. Ive taken up tai Band members are always close, but its nothing like
chi as well, and Im at an excellent boxing being relatives.
school. I like the exercise that comes with Gene Simmons says rock is dead. Is he right?
boxing, and the grace that comes with tai chi. The guy from Kiss? A certain element
Whats the worst part of success? of rock is over, but I dont think itll
Having to do the same thing again, but better. ever be dead. As long as theres a kid
I was lucky. When You Really Got Me dropped on the street with a guitar who
out of the Top 10, my record company said, We wants to make a noise, rock will
need a follow-up. I wrote All Day and All of be alive somewhere. Stadium
the Night in a few minutes, and we recorded it rock, yes, I think that is over.
in a day. Bands go through an adrenaline pe- Rock & rolls going to a peri-
riod where they have hits for a year or two, od of transition. Its just gone
and then they have to assess things. Its im- to the Catskills. Itll come back.
portant to do that in any form of creativ- If the organizers of Desert Trip
ity. The secret is to know theres going to came to you and offered you $15
be downtimes where you need to re-ener- million for a Kinks reunion, would
gize and refocus. you do it?
Do you think the Kinks beneted by never Whats Desert Trip? Is that
becoming as big as Zeppelin or the Stones? some sort of sightseeing tour?
That was a deliberate move on my part. I Its the big festival at Coachella that had
dont feel sorry for the Who or the Stones, the Stones, McCartney, the Who....
but I continue to keep a low prole and [Id do it] if it fit into my plans.
just do my work. Thats really important. Its always a bad thing to do it for the
Is your past ever a burden when you sit money. Do it for the event.
down to write new songs? If the Kinks never play again, will that be a
No. When I was making my new record big regret of yours?
with the Jayhawks, I said to them, Were Not really. The Kinks made an indelible
going to make this record like its the rst one impact on the music industry. The story
we ever made. I make every one like that. Youll has no ending yet, so I cant anticipate
never be able to be what you were. Youll never achieve what Ill feel like.
what you achieved before. Its critical to be in the now. Are you sick of always being asked
This is what I am, this is how I speak, this is what I about a reunion?
write take it or leave it. Thankfully, people have No. It just confuses me. Because with
continued to take it rather than leave it. a reunion, people just talk about the
ghts and disputes. They want to see that
Davies new album with the Jayhawks, again. Just be happy the music exists.
Americana, is out April 21st. INTERVIEW BY ANDY GREENE

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