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Piping Stress Workinghour Estimation

sam I perform piping stress workinghour estimation this way:


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2 nodes per straight span, 3 nodes per elbow,
Registered: 1 node per mitre cut, 2 nodes per fitting like valve/flange etc & for each 150 nodes
02/25/04 10 hours for detailed piping stress analysis.
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Which way our forum members do this ?

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#6258 - 08/09/06 01:31 AM Re: Piping Stress Workinghour Estimation
S Hello sam ,
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Good Morning.
Registered: I would like to know the basis on which you have devised such a plan.
04/09/04 Have you done some kind of test?
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Loc: I feel it doesnt just depend on the modelling alone.

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#6259 - 08/09/06 03:28 AM Re: Piping Stress Workinghour Estimation
sam You are right, checking is imperative indeed.
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This estimation is based on certain assumptions:
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02/25/04 1) Piping stress isos will have probable support positions marked
Posts: 543 2) Pipe Spec, branch table, insulation thk table, valve weights, P&ID, line
designation table available
3) Piping stress analysts are skilled & motivated enough

4) It is a statistical estimate. One size may not fit all. It requires adjustment based
on feedback in actual workplace.

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#6260 - 08/09/06 09:21 AM Re: Piping Stress Workinghour Estimation
SAMAbdul How about complexity of the calculation? high temp, rotating equipment
Member connections, complex expansion joint modeling....
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#6261 - 08/09/06 11:10 AM Re: Piping Stress Workinghour Estimation
sam Engineers need to work in an ethical manner; so, if complexity requires additional
Member time, the same has to be reported in feedback and estimates should be revised for
future applications.
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02/25/04 regards,
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How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?


M.Mohammad Hi dears

Member My manager ask me I stimat about stress analysis a petrocamical company. What
can A do? It's so important for me.
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08/02/09 Thank you
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Loc: Japan

Edited by M.Mohammad (06/20/10 07:39 AM)


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#36303 - 06/20/10 04:14 PM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: M.Mohammad]
Jop You have asked a very complex question. One that a forum like this may not be
Member able to answer.
However I will offer the following:
Registered: Most engineering companies set some minimum analysis criteria on a project by
12/12/05 project basis but there is always the exception for even "That" project.
Posts: 191 Stress Analysis Criteria may include:
Loc: Florida, - High Temperature pipe
USA - Very large diameter pipe
- Very heavy wall pipe
- Very thin wall pipe
- Exotic Alloy Pipe
- Attachment to strain sensitive equipment (Pumps, Glass lined vessels, etc.)
- Extremely low temperature (Cryogenic) systems
- Any pipe installed in Arctic locations
- All other lines below the stated minimum temperature level on a job installed in a
place like Oman or Kuwait

To develop an Estimate you need to know the Scope of the Work.


- You need to have a count of the total number of lines in the plant.
- You need to have a breakdown of these lines by categories such as Size, Material,
Temperature, Service, Function, etc.
- You need to have a clear idea of which lines do not require Stress Analysis due to
size and service
- You need to know the different kinds or levels of "Stress Analysis" there are and
the approximate number of hours for each.

Flexibility Analysis might come in a number of forms and should consider many
situations.
Forms:
- Simple, Visual Review = Estimate 3 to 5 hours per line
- Intermediate, Informal Calculations = Estimate 8 to 10 hours per line
- Complex, Formal Analysis for excessive stress caused by common factors
(Temperature induced expansion, Dead/Live Loads) = Estimate 30 to 40 hours
depending on complexity
- Special Analysis (i.e.: Analog studies for reciprocating compressors, seismic
studies, Sea-Force studies for Offshore Platforms) Estimate 40 to 60 hours.

Estimated Stress hours include the time to develop any Specifications, Data Sheets
and procurement documents for Stress related products such Spring Hangers,
Expansion Joints or Struts. It also includes all supervision time, meeting time, any
travel to vendors or job sites.

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#36308 - 06/20/10 11:47 PM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: Jop]
M.Mohammad Thank you JOP.

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#36323 - 06/21/10 11:04 AM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: M.Mohammad]
Jop M.M.
Member Contact me (jopennock@netscape.net) I thought of something else I can share with
you.
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#36332 - 06/22/10 08:36 AM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: Jop]
M.Mohammad SURE

Member THANK YOU


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#39366 - 12/03/10 07:14 AM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: M.Mohammad]
danb Jop,
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I'd like to ask some advices.
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04/22/05 Your estimated hours can be fine when you have a pretty large plant.
Posts: 1231
Loc: ... But I have the following situation:

-small revamping, 20 lines, 450 C

How can I convince my boss that is not the same thing, and that I need more hours
than the usual estimated manhours.

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#39374 - 12/03/10 10:00 AM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: danb]
Jop I know nothing about where you are, nothing about your company, your piping
Member organization or the individual capabilities of the members of the direct piping staff
or the related supporting groups. So it is hard to be very specific.
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12/12/05 I question that you have only 20 lines and that all of them are the same maximum
Posts: 191 operating temperature.
Loc: Florida,
USA But if you do indeed have only 20 lines and they are all at 450 degrees maximum
operating then I you might have the following estimated labor hours for all piping
activities.

Category Data Comments


A Number of lines 20
B Estimated number of Isometrics 80

1 Piping Design Hours 1335 (Includes all field trips to determine tie-in points and
routing)
2 Piping Material Eng Hours 85 (Assume use existing specs, Review all)
3 Piping Material Control Hours 40 (Depends on how MTO is done)
4 Pipe Stress Hours 150
5 Piping Supervision Hours 90 (Assume working supervisor)

1 Piping Design Hour Percentage 78.5%


2 Piping Material Eng Percentage 5.0%
3 Piping Material Control Percentage 2.4%
4 Pipe Stress Percentage 8.8%
5 Piping Supervision Percentage 5.3%

1 Hours per Line Number 85


2 Hours per Isometric 21.3

Edited by Jop (12/03/10 10:01 AM)


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#39378 - 12/03/10 11:24 AM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: Jop]
danb Jop,
Member
Thank you very much. I do appreciated.
Registered:
04/22/05 There are indeed 20 lines and all at 450. This is all I have for this job. A small
Posts: 1231 revamp of an existing plant.
Loc: ...
Best regards,
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#39388 - 12/03/10 07:09 PM Re: How much man-hours do we need about a Olefin PLANT?
[Re: danb]
stress river Jop,
Member You are really excellent in this field.
Up to now, I never meet a specialist who is at same level as you.
Registered: Your work is appreciated.
01/23/06
Posts: 81 Hope your more posts in this forum.
Loc: china

Edited by stress river (12/03/10 07:09 PM)


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