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1. The Day of the Flag (0 replies)

2. Wartime Survival? (2 replies)
3. Best friend's sister got raped (18 replies)
4. why do you not include body armour to this forum? (2 replies)
5. Who out bid me? (0 replies)
6. History keeps repeating itself -- French railway sabotuers arrested (Interesting) (0 replies)
7. "Terrorist or not" French government to go after explosive websites (6 replies)
8. French websites provide interesting stories. (7 replies)
9. Glycerin and Salt Water Taffy (holiday treat) (5 replies)
10. "Underground Science" article (7 replies)
11. Kid arrested for guns, bombs, etc. (0 replies)
12. "Post whatever crap you want" Thread (46 replies)
13. Nader calls Obama an "Uncle Tom," Fox News offended. (5 replies)
14. Remember, remember, the 5th of November. (2 replies)
15. Randomness.... (4 replies)
16. "Chemical Demonstrations" by Shakashiri (3 replies)
17. Revolution (17 replies)
18. Human violence and dictatorships! (20 replies)
19. Amateur Chemistry= drugs and bombs (10 replies)
20. Incomplete Ebook - Kill Without Joy - John Minnery -- REWARD (3 replies)
21. the meaning of love and friendship (4 replies)
22. Who would win? - A hypothetical situation (21 replies)
23. Zeitgeist (3 replies)
24. Does anybody like this artwork? (43 replies)
25. $700B Bailout Plan Fails! (25 replies)
26. The truth about islam. (7 replies)
27. I'm pissed off with most of the people here. (16 replies)
28. Re: hard to place a title on this :D (44 replies)
29. The YouTube Dumbass Thread (19 replies)
30. Poor them.... (3 replies)
31. The end is near, the end is near? (2 replies)
32. computer security (10 replies)
33. Chicken Shit Blaster (7 replies)
34. Ordering from overseas... (34 replies)
35. You-Tube K3wl's fingertips blown off by "blasting cap" (5 replies)
36. Kid hits molotov cocktail with a baseball bat (27 replies)
37. Energetic Materials For Energy (12 replies)
38. DJVU to PDF converter troubles (8 replies)
39. Information Swap Alternatives (7 replies)
40. Fitness (14 replies)
41. Mind Reading Program (1 replies)
42. Forum video 2008 (1 replies)
43. Hoping for the return of the latter day edit feature and beautifying (9 replies)
44. Amateur chemist raided, for doing experiments! (17 replies)
45. Welcome to Stalin's USA (3 replies)
46. Funniest chemistry video (6 replies)
47. Anybody speak a little russian? (2 replies)
48. Friend accidentally shot himself....with a gun that I sold him. (6 replies)
49. Homemade.. idiot or badluck? (8 replies)
50. Happy Anniversary (7 replies)
51. What book(s) are you reading? (41 replies)
52. Global Population control. Why not? (48 replies)
53. Composition Equation (4 replies)
54. Randomness (4 replies)
55. Limestone Ammonium Nitrate (LAN) problem (13 replies)
56. Chemistry Game!!! (5 replies)
57. Indonesian Bombs (3 replies)
58. Ethyl nitrate (2 replies)
59. Music? (24 replies)
60. Absolutely Disgusting (13 replies)
61. Supreme Court Rules That Individuals Have Gun Right (5-4) (17 replies)
62. eBay and Chlorates... (8 replies)
63. Comedy legend dies at 71. (5 replies)
64. What a bastard! (9 replies)
65. What NOT To Do (31 replies)
66. Odd fertilizer worked for AN? (5 replies)
67. High School Graduation Resembles Saddam's Rise to Power (14 replies)
68. Thought police snatch kiddies. (12 replies)
69. Joining the French Foreign Legion (25 replies)
70. A question of thermodynamics. (5 replies)
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71. Busy tonight (7 replies)
72. Rules? (2 replies)
73. Modified human marker (11 replies)
74. Sevoflurane (5 replies)
75. Cell phone tracking (40 replies)
76. Alternative/renewable fuels (7 replies)
77. Insidious "Purple Liquid": Deadly Cheerleaders Strike Again (21 replies)
78. Deadliest substances (10 replies)
79. This could come in handy? (2 replies)
80. Safety: Man Killed by 145 year old cannon ball (11 replies)
81. Railcar Implosion Video (2 replies)
82. Potassium Nitrate (1 replies)
83. WMD and AN (23 replies)
84. Do you believe everything happens for a reason? (20 replies)
85. Ricin Arrest (12 replies)
86. LSS License file? (8 replies)
87. Analysis of Nitrocellulose (6 replies)
88. Question (Relationship advice) (10 replies)
89. Some good news for the weekend. (1 replies)
90. Mentioning E&W in an Interview (11 replies)
91. Gun Protests Nationwide April 16th....Anyone have plans? (18 replies)
92. How to snare a thief (21 replies)
93. New Restrictions on Nitromethane in the U.S.? (7 replies)
94. -If- a NWO came, what would you do? (9 replies)
95. A Deer Just Killed my Car (16 replies)
96. How nbk2000 spent his spring break (5 replies)
97. Financial Depression Preparedness? (64 replies)
98. What would you do with this marvelous machine? (6 replies)
99. Fuck Kevin Rudd... (13 replies)
100. nitrocellulose problems (0 replies)
101. Rogue Science DVD... (38 replies)
102. Copying Banknotes (25 replies)
103. Breaking Bad (41 replies)
104. Oakleys and Foakleys (14 replies)
105. Guerrilla's Arsenal (7 replies)
106. Dissolving lead (5 replies)
107. Hallucinogens, The Essential Psychedelic Guide and LSD My Problem Child (1 replies)
108. What would YOU do with a centrifuge? (4 replies)
109. One of my old favorite: MN v. AK v. AR (20 replies)
110. Jews Pushing Hard To Criminalize Dissent, Especially Over The Internet (51 replies)
111. Nazi handgun! (4 replies)
112. Vista: Best of whats new or worst of whats wrong? (24 replies)
113. RDX Synthesis Problems ?? (4 replies)
114. Cheapass Faraday Cage (9 replies)
115. Guerilla style aerial bombing (4 replies)
116. Seymore Lecker - k3wL or Expert? (9 replies)
117. MgSO4 as a Desiccant/Best Desiccants (0 replies)
118. Adobe to release a freeware version of Photoshop (7 replies)
119. Compilation of Explosions (8 replies)
120. Getting Used to Nitro Headaches (5 replies)
121. Entropy definition (2 replies)
122. Aerospace Engineering / Forensic Science (8 replies)
123. Appeals Court Overturns D.C. Gun Ban (11 replies)
124. Determining the Grade of Graphite (0 replies)
125. Osama Back in Crosshairs? (18 replies)
126. What do you do when you are bored? (28 replies)
127. Rogue Science was down today? (31 replies)
128. Additives for chlorate/perchlorate cells (4 replies)
129. John Hutchinson (19 replies)
130. Hack attack on server of sciencemadness.org/talk (5 replies)
131. Acetone peroxide - HELP (5 replies)
132. Newbie "Adventures" (2 replies)
133. Teflon Sep. Funnel/Buret Stopcocks vs Glass (11 replies)
134. P Switching Script (9 replies)
135. Need Mathmatical Formula (16 replies)
136. Dangerous deadly weapon used in school! (13 replies)
137. Cannon (6 replies)
138. Blast box for camcorder (2 replies)
139. Spontaneous detonations (1 replies)
140. Possible ebay sting operation (16 replies)
141. HMTD making (14 replies)
142. 9mm, 40SW, 45ACP, 357 SIG vs Body Armor (8 replies)
143. Grenade Shelf Life (10 replies)
144. How to make M-80s, Cherry Bombs, & Silver Salutes. (7 replies)
145. Looking for a book review on "Boom -- Homemade Explosives" (11 replies)
146. what would do with if you found these (3 replies)
147. storing HMTD (3 replies)
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148. The perfect book scanner (1 replies)
149. Amateur Local Weather Control (10 replies)
150. Interesting use of explosives (7 replies)
151. Inside ATM's (3 replies)
152. Sulfuric acid from nitric (5 replies)
153. UK Bombings (4 replies)
154. Australian Politics (1 replies)
155. Just the one post for me. (33 replies)
156. Pigs FUCKING SUCK! (38 replies)
157. Theoretical Revolutionary Strategies (72 replies)
158. It was the first time for me. (8 replies)
159. The Boston Bomb Squad at Work (7 replies)
160. A Interesting Realization. (5 replies)
161. Increase poison absorption? (2 replies)
162. Dangerous Briefcase (15 replies)
163. Spicy explosives (31 replies)
164. KIO3 - How good of an oxidizing agent is it? (0 replies)
165. Active Camouflage (2 replies)
166. House Explodes in Missouri City, TX (1 replies)
167. He's on a mission from God! (3 replies)
168. AgNO3 + S ---> Explode under hammer blow? (8 replies)
169. Easy Entry (8 replies)
170. Qantas bars man wearing 'Bush' T-shirt (21 replies)
171. Essential gear - You don't leave the house without...? (64 replies)
172. User details (10 replies)
173. Dihydrogen monoxide strikes again (13 replies)
174. Failure to properly store hazardous substances! (7 replies)
175. Unknown Liquid (25 replies)
176. BP blasting cap (18 replies)
177. Favourite commercial. (13 replies)
178. K3wl bashing (27 replies)
179. Bars Leaks Liquid Aluminum (16 replies)
180. What is a Dangermouse? (3 replies)
181. Help a know nothing. (3 replies)
182. What's your fetish? (47 replies)
183. I think I might be a very very lucky man (10 replies)
184. Dragon Eggs Compostion = HE? (4 replies)
185. Question on Ball Mills (27 replies)
186. Nitromethane Question (4 replies)
187. X:Y:Z KMnO4:Zn:S (16 replies)
188. Wound Profiles of Military Ammunition (23 replies)
189. Kill More Kids! (5 replies)
190. X Ray of Different Material (13 replies)
191. Nuclear Detonation In Space (10 replies)
192. Saddam is dead (72 replies)
193. Ouch that HURTS. Flash bites back (14 replies)
194. ATF Explosive Regulations? (4 replies)
195. NH4NO3 bomb detonator (7 replies)
196. Dvorak Simplifed Keyboard (10 replies)
197. Satellite Internet & Porn (21 replies)
198. information on lathes (11 replies)
199. whats inside (2 replies)
200. Potassium Chlorate Black powder? (11 replies)
201. Hot plate stirrers (0 replies)
202. Innovations in Robotics... (3 replies)
203. Electrical light socket wiring question (7 replies)
204. This can't be for real (14 replies)
205. Free download videos/docos/banned books/etc (3 replies)
206. Boiling Sulfuric acid (1 replies)
207. Robert Alberg/Kenneth Olsen (Ricin Manuf.) (3 replies)
208. One hundred most commonly found explosives. (0 replies)
209. EMP schematics (5 replies)
210. KNO3 for NH4NO3 (or NaNO3) and K2SO4 ? (13 replies)
211. Paranoia (12 replies)
212. Ammonium nitrate shelf life? (2 replies)
213. Who's a rat? (9 replies)
214. KNO3 Smoke Hazards (5 replies)
215. Cleaning my lab but have little time to make good chems disapear (11 replies)
216. BTNEC experiences? (1 replies)
217. Converting certain airsoft make/model guns to fire one or more fatal projectiles (4 replies)
218. Weird coming from the USA (6 replies)
219. A possible security breach notification!... (13 replies)
220. Research chemicals (23 replies)
221. Another Step Towards Totalitarianism (12 replies)
222. Totse rolls over on its k3wls (43 replies)
223. Guerilla Combat (2 replies)
224. New user with some questions on getting files (2 replies)
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225. Does Zaibatsu yet live? (6 replies)
226. Eliteforum - I find this very questionable (15 replies)
227. Uproar over youtube key bumping videos (5 replies)
228. A thought about an airgun gatling ... (1 replies)
229. New Look to Forum (4 replies)
230. DBC Pyrotechnics (2 replies)
231. Phenol from Toluene (1 replies)
232. Dreams (23 replies)
233. Todays rant : EDITED (3 replies)
234. Nuclear Batteries in laptops (12 replies)
235. Pranks? (16 replies)
236. The Hutchison Effect (5 replies)
237. God Bless Michael Richards AKA Kramer (26 replies)
238. We're saved! (2 replies)
239. KGB agent poisoned (47 replies)
240. New Forum Look (18 replies)
241. What do you do? (21 replies)
242. Obsolete Military Hardware (12 replies)
243. Robot sentinel (5 replies)
244. John A.Minnery who is it? (10 replies)
245. Estonian Security-related Document (0 replies)
246. Bit of related news (13 replies)
247. Another example of fearmongering (12 replies)
248. Nearly party time!! Whoohooooo!! (30 replies)
249. My Dog (12 replies)
250. Where To Buy Chemicals In The UK (15 replies)
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251. A little introduction (4 replies)

252. Monkeys are 6 times stronger than men (10 replies)
253. Kids Use AP for Revenge Attack in Australia (8 replies)
254. Los Alamos Primer (0 replies)
255. My PETN Synth.... (9 replies)
256. Not-so-non-lethal? (7 replies)
257. Can you identify this explosive?? (8 replies)
258. War Nerd on DIME(The metal dust explosive) (1 replies)
259. Your experience with lead styphnate (1 replies)
260. Potassium perchlorate (4 replies)
261. Meet the kings of KEWL... (15 replies)
262. Burying nitromethane (8 replies)
263. A little insight into the american education system (11 replies)
264. Discussion on Sabotage, and request. (17 replies)
265. Invisibility cloak (6 replies)
266. Mailing ammunition to the UK (45 replies)
267. Burns (10 replies)
268. A Russian member perhaps? (3 replies)
269. Soviet Agent Hides (6 replies)
270. I didn't expect it to start so soon. (6 replies)
271. Is this a joke or am I dreaming? (5 replies)
272. South Park makes a reference to "sheeple" (6 replies)
273. 18 months for making AP (26 replies)
274. Free International Calls (From USA Only) (2 replies)
275. Murder by Cancer (13 replies)
276. Best Organic Chem. Books/Texts (1 replies)
277. Changes to Australia's "security sensitive hazardous substances" legislation... (16 replies)
278. urushiol (2 replies)
279. If you died... (26 replies)
280. 'Video evidence, what video evidence?' (6 replies)
281. Liquid Dinitrogen Tetroxide (9 replies)
282. ATM Hacking (7 replies)
283. a car that drives itself (6 replies)
284. Swinging Dartmouth (2 replies)
285. The ball mill (8 replies)
286. The Great Escape (0 replies)
287. extracting sodium (16 replies)
288. Whats wrong with Rapidshare? (19 replies)
289. Great Firearms Racks! (1 replies)
290. LSD Being Tested on British Troops (20 replies)
291. A dream for America (2 replies)
292. WW2 Nazi tank found in near-pristine condition in a lake! (10 replies)
293. Im a rokker, yeah! (21 replies)
294. Best Gen Chem. Prof Ever! UNL Prof Arrested Over Distributing Explosives (9 replies)
295. ATF arrests evil Briton in Northern California (12 replies)
296. Recommendations on Hydraulic Presses (7 replies)
297. "Ingenious experiment" with lightning (2 replies)
298. 686 Book Flood . Keep the newbies busy (1 replies)
299. Candy Bar "Bomb" (17 replies)
300. Shooting in Dawson College (Montreal) (19 replies)
301. Ebook reader (2 replies)
302. Australian Members (25 replies)
303. Aviation Security (0 replies)
304. In pursuit of understanding (11 replies)
305. Dry Ice / Acetone "slush" (4 replies)
306. How about that "Bird Flu?" (5 replies)
307. Hand-held rocket launcher (11 replies)
308. Percussion Caps? (0 replies)
309. Opening shotgun shells (5 replies)
310. Delta Force ? (0 replies)
311. starting them young (11 replies)
312. frustrated attempt of HDN detonation....(sorry by fortuitous repeating of subject) (1 replies)
313. New OCR software, open source (3 replies)
314. Anti-Terrorism Expert Sneaks Explosives Aboard Plane (30 replies)
315. Police Arrest Teen Bombers - Drano bombers! (17 replies)
316. Cash, weapons, explosives seized in raid (6 replies)
317. improvised softair shotgun (6 replies)
318. Australian Teen Faces Explosives Charges for Chlorine Bomb (17 replies)
319. Conn. Student Heads To Court On Explosives Charge (5 replies)
320. Terrorist training manual (18 replies)
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321. Private forum and the downfall of Rapidshare links. (17 replies)
322. improvised chem equipment/junkyard style (7 replies)
323. Quick entry options (6 replies)
324. Covert Hostage Bomb Collar (1 replies)
325. Which Branch Of Military? (5 replies)
326. Cast TNT (6 replies)
327. Pure Ammonium Nitrate (15 replies)
328. Getting credit for uploads (1 replies)
329. Basic Fitness/Abilities (46 replies)
330. Material for mould? (2 replies)
331. PDF file 'fingerprints' (12 replies)
332. Drying hygroscopic chemicals (17 replies)
333. Legal Road to Explosives (5 replies)
334. Lets discuss the social dynamics of the movie "Fight Club" (26 replies)
335. On the Creation of a Country (38 replies)
336. Where do I start in this...thing of mine? (25 replies)
337. Judge orders online sale of Unabomber goods (6 replies)
338. Bombing cases often take longer to solve (8 replies)
339. Pipe Bomb Arrest (10 replies)
340. Amazon downloading group (5 replies)
341. Chinese alleged to harvest organs from Falun Gong practitioners (3 replies)
342. Support the Theatre (with explosions) (6 replies)
343. The conversion of model/toy guns. (0 replies)
344. Non-lethal devices (4 replies)
345. Want Help with Cell phone hacking (10 replies)
346. New weapons used in Lebanon (9 replies)
347. OCR'ing FTP (4 replies)
348. Favorite Music? (3 replies)
349. Poor Flash Performance (9 replies)
350. Lucid Dreaming (16 replies)
351. How long have you gone without sex?...hehe (41 replies)
352. ALPS Holo Problem (0 replies)
353. Torritos!!! (7 replies)
354. I never claimed to be a rightous addict... (1 replies)
355. Looking for find and copy software. (19 replies)
356. Book OCR issues (4 replies)
357. Something new to me.. (5 replies)
358. Idiots and AP (4 replies)
359. Liquefying air, or oxygen enriched air. (5 replies)
360. Interesting read (8 replies)
361. purple smoke (10 replies)
362. Para-Nitration of Toluene (1 replies)
363. Careers in pyrotechics/demolition... (10 replies)
364. vitamin c (6 replies)
365. White phosphorus... ampoule (5 replies)
366. Thermite Help! (13 replies)
367. Idiot (14 replies)
368. Methods of interrogation - forewarned is forearmed! (20 replies)
369. Duplicating UV markings (7 replies)
370. Picric acid synth overdone? Nitration buffs (6 replies)
371. Frying down power installation of a building/flat (6 replies)
372. What Weapon? (47 replies)
373. Misinformation: 4th of July. Wikipedia? (9 replies)
374. Join the Fireworks Alliance (3 replies)
375. Black powder not affected by static? (12 replies)
376. Clearing a building, quickly.....and quietly (24 replies)
377. Inert Atmosphere (6 replies)
378. Hello -- New to the Forum (4 replies)
379. The Sheeple have Bleated! (3 replies)
380. Affordable Ball Mill (5 replies)
381. Beginner explosives (28 replies)
382. Introduction and Book Offering (6 replies)
383. Rather esoteric handgun question (10 replies)
384. exiglue review (1 replies)
385. Federal Law favors us for once?! (16 replies)
386. KCl03 from match heads (12 replies)
387. Make a cheap electronic Detonator (3 replies)
388. Airsoft Ammo Sting Grenades (9 replies)
389. A Rather good day. (7 replies)
390. Guanidine Nitrate - C(NH2)3NO3 - Sensitizer Issues (2 replies)
391. Yowie/Bigfoot hunt (13 replies)
392. What happens?? (0 replies)
393. Hazards of Bleach > Chlorate? (4 replies)
394. homemade drying oven (6 replies)
395. Defcon 14 (5 replies)
396. Ripping copy-protected DVDs (7 replies)
397. editing posts... (2 replies)
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398. Boric to Nitric? (13 replies)
399. Offer to you: Bruker IR Introduction (1 replies)
400. Munitions Factory Explodes in South Australia (12 replies)
401. Simple Timed Fuse (3 min +) (6 replies)
402. Interesting site on pulsejets. (1 replies)
403. Legit breakins (8 replies)
404. Answer to Americas Army the Game? (16 replies)
405. Computer Tech of the Week (2 replies)
406. Pepper spray deployment (11 replies)
407. Government word watch list. (30 replies)
408. LICENCE FREE FIREARMS:europe loopholes (25 replies)
409. The Doors of Perception: (8 replies)
410. Fear, an effective deterant? (3 replies)
411. www.anarchistcookbook.com hacked (2 replies)
412. To Polverone... (0 replies)
413. Anonymous package delivery (7 replies)
414. Speeding up browsing (1 replies)
415. Importing silencers (18 replies)
416. Nanoenergetics (7 replies)
417. Rtpb? (5 replies)
418. Funny glitch on the site (0 replies)
419. 700 Ton ANFO charge to be set off (0 replies)
420. Women, Pyro & Related Hobbies (4 replies)
421. What's a good ebook reading device? (6 replies)
422. Magnesium Nitrate (2 replies)
423. Unusual search error (6 replies)
424. Britian monitoring EVERY car movement! (9 replies)
425. Best Food Ever! (39 replies)
426. Tritonal (3 replies)
427. Fuses in ww1 grenades (12 replies)
428. I gave a review to the planetary camera thing (0 replies)
429. Books available (2 replies)
430. Plans (6 replies)
431. A Warning (3 replies)
432. Posting Question (1 replies)
433. kno3 (1 replies)
434. What would you change? (6 replies)
435. Primary explosives from primers (1 replies)
436. problems with ANFO Explosives (3 replies)
437. Does anyone have a Rapidshare account? (6 replies)
438. double salts (0 replies)
439. Fake ID information on IRC (2 replies)
440. School Regulations (11 replies)
441. decrypting? (8 replies)
442. Thermite Fuel Air Explosive Devices aka Hellhounds (5 replies)
443. Prison Break. (56 replies)
444. Erythritol Tetranitrate (2 replies)
445. AP filtering (3 replies)
446. servus (0 replies)
447. newbie introduction (3 replies)
448. Tor anonymous internet network (1 replies)
449. Nitroglycerin in detonators (4 replies)
450. Online Ordering?? (0 replies)
451. Tannerite targets detonation (1 replies)
452. Attacked! (24 replies)
453. Nicotine (4 replies)
454. Ninja rocks?? (9 replies)
455. Security measures on my next computer? (51 replies)
456. A new explosive (8 replies)
457. Peroxide and carbon? (2 replies)
458. Ways to mislead/stop police dogs 2? (6 replies)
459. What would you put in an emergency kit (41 replies)
460. FICTION: NBK - Escape from Dreamland (1 replies)
461. US plans to "fight" (censor) the net revealed: (6 replies)
462. Little Spudgun + Crossbow Session (0 replies)
463. mosler safe info (1 replies)
464. I had a dream... (1 replies)
465. I used to think alcohol was difficult to buy... (2 replies)
466. Problems seeing posts (1 replies)
467. Ripping Google Books (2 replies)
468. EMP Hard Drive Cleaner (38 replies)
469. NBK asked me... (5 replies)
470. The Crucible (10 replies)
471. The Triumphant Return of Megalomania (13 replies)
472. What is a "K3Wl"? (3 replies)
473. The "Anti-Pyrotechnics" Movement (10 replies)
474. Abnormal Picric Acid (5 replies)
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475. Survival and Austere Medicine (2 replies)
476. Time to start preparing for the end of 2005.... (0 replies)
477. Pharmaceuticals? (0 replies)
478. Iron oxide from iron filings (0 replies)
479. Underwater AP cratermakers (11 replies)
480. Score: Nazis 24, Negros 0 (10 replies)
481. George Carlin on New Orleans: (7 replies)
482. New FTP hosting (0 replies)
483. APC gone soft???!!! (5 replies)
484. The preparatory manual of explosives by Jared Ledgard (10 replies)
485. oGame (1 replies)
486. Forum archive (7 replies)
487. How useful is N-butyl acetate? (0 replies)
488. Roguesci forbidden in Germany? (0 replies)
489. PeerGuardian 2 (1 replies)
490. Blair bans certain websites! (3 replies)
491. So, who on here is an English major? (10 replies)
492. Who started roguescience.org? (18 replies)
493. Strange experience logging in (55 replies)
494. Why so little discussion? (93 replies)
495. Crypto-Ransom Virus (26 replies)
496. Video surveillance (32 replies)
497. Star Wars, Episode 3 SUXS! (31 replies)
498. Looking for external laptop battery (7 replies)
499. Products for Engineers & The Fellow Who Lives in my Corner (17 replies)
500. Future of oil (17 replies)

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501. Equation needs balancing (5 replies)

502. And now for some comic relief... (9 replies)
503. 07/04/05 (37 replies)
504. A Use for the Self-Decrypting PGP Utility (11 replies)
505. Banned emails (59 replies)
506. FICTION: The Job, Part 2 (2 replies)
507. The $100,000 book rip-off (24 replies)
508. FICTION: NBK - The Dark Lord (23 replies)
509. Mixture of Greek Fire (21 replies)
510. PGP Secure-Wipe Failure (26 replies)
511. HE incendiary (11 replies)
512. The New Pope was a Nazi! (44 replies)
513. A Guide to Internet Flaming (56 replies)
514. nitration of aromatic substrates in zeolite cages (2 replies)
515. Should I get a Blog? (46 replies)
516. Lightning Projectors and Railguns without Rails? (23 replies)
517. beginnings? (23 replies)
518. IP address spoofing. (41 replies)
519. Raise your glasses in a toast to Myrol (47 replies)
520. Modifying Airgun's esp. for German's! (42 replies)
521. Crime-Time Television (59 replies)
522. Dinosaur flesh discovered! (20 replies)
523. Chlorinated dioxane on par with nerve gasses? (5 replies)
524. Safe Identification and Defeat Guide (57 replies)
525. Diphosgene (2 replies)
526. Isobutylidene diurea 31-0-0 (2 replies)
527. Wiping the Firefox cache (11 replies)
528. Picric Acid; Paper Dye for Love Letters! (29 replies)
529. Acetone peroxide: worth the risk? (3 replies)
530. Humor: Top 100 things If I was Ruler of the World (29 replies)
531. Synthetikal - a new chemistry forum (2 replies)
532. Hostage situations (87 replies)
533. Potassium Chlorate method guidance needed (2 replies)
534. Letter John Cleese to the USA (50 replies)
535. Good for a laugh (26 replies)
536. Defeating Airport X-Ray (58 replies)
537. Some ugly accident pictures (0 replies)
538. I'll be away for the next months (2 replies)
539. P2P securely (2 replies)
540. Lets all get our 'counterterrorism' degrees from university (19 replies)
541. Military propaganda in schools (54 replies)
542. Chimeric Breeders (155 replies)
543. Mad Science (2 replies)
544. some silver fulminate (1 replies)
545. Cold Fusion, Looks like it isn't Si-Fi anymore!! (52 replies)
546. Media stunts (5 replies)
547. Removing -Cl gently (5 replies)
548. Need help with my mathematics (AP related) (4 replies)
549. RE factor of ANNM and other explosives (0 replies)
550. Gmail account (19 replies)
551. mmm....beer (10 replies)
552. MNN and MNT nitration ratios (1 replies)
553. Another visitor... stay a while... stay forever. (1 replies)
554. 3M Security Glass (24 replies)
555. SmarTruck - how to spend silly money to get a toy (5 replies)
556. High School Chemistry demo (4 replies)
557. Video file splitter (5 replies)
558. Guncotton the Crappy way (16 replies)
559. PGP Changing. (6 replies)
560. 40mm grenade pistol (8 replies)
561. ANFO with Tolouene or Xylene as sensitizer? (7 replies)
562. safety distances (27 replies)
563. fake IDs (4 replies)
564. Perry's Chemical Engineers' Handbook 7th edition (0 replies)
565. Mercury fulminate question (8 replies)
566. Anyone from Norway? (4 replies)
567. Hello Big Brother. (12 replies)
568. Grandpa's blasting mix? (9 replies)
569. Bringing home the guns (11 replies)
570. Woodworking stuff for the FTP? (4 replies)
571.
572.
569.
This is not570.
571. From crossbows to cryptography (4 replies)
572. Am-241, Smoke Detectors, and Nuclear Weapons (6 replies)
573. Computer question (12 replies)
574. Looking for a Keylogger (1 replies)
575. I need help with my future! (14 replies)
576. copwatch.com (2 replies)
577. Carnivore is no more (1 replies)
578. hydrogen peroxide synthesis ??? (0 replies)
579. Suicide soon (120 replies)
580. A math problem stuck in my head (3 replies)
581. government is scared of FAEs (5 replies)
582. question for Mn2O7 (4 replies)
583. Need two books if anyone has a link. (4 replies)
584. Firefox (10 replies)
585. Airgun + Coilgun? (1 replies)
586. N-Tetrachloroethylene Diamine (1 replies)
587. Quest for longest chemical name (5 replies)
588. Say No to Grandpa Joe (4 replies)
589. Looking for file replacement tool (3 replies)
590. What would you do if ...? (3 replies)
591. NG accident- need advice (5 replies)
592. RDX from urotropine (1 replies)
593. D2O, Heavy water distillation (5 replies)
594. Before you post.... (0 replies)
595. HPLC software help needed (0 replies)
596. URGENT: How to register restorer2000 (7 replies)
597. favorite song/favorite band thread (61 replies)
598. Greetings and a quick question (4 replies)
599. Virus Problem (11 replies)
600. trenchcoat self defense (7 replies)
601. KNO3 in Australia (0 replies)
602. KewL Hunting (2 replies)
603. The E&W bit torrent... (4 replies)
604. Urea Formaldehyde (2 replies)
605. DMNB - spoofing C4 from a particular source. (2 replies)
606. azodicarbonamide (1 replies)
607. What did you get for xmass? (12 replies)
608. The Paranormal (37 replies)
609. Brown Noise (13 replies)
610. ANAl (amonium nitrate:aluminum) (10 replies)
611. Potassium/Sodium Chlorate + Vaseline (Petroleum Jelly) (4 replies)
612. The Great Phonecard Scam (3 replies)
613. The Plague! (9 replies)
614. SW Wanted : SystematiChem (2 replies)
615. Killer: live role playing game (4 replies)
616. suprnova is gone (0 replies)
617. How and where to start? (3 replies)
618. I have a photoshop quandary (2 replies)
619. Need a terabyte of email? (8 replies)
620. Can anyone translate Czechian? (2 replies)
621. Secure your Computer (12 replies)
622. MenuEdit Registration Needed (4 replies)
623. Fake Documents: A Report on BBC (4 replies)
624. Translations (0 replies)
625. Roguesci unofficial FTP - testing phase (3 replies)
626. ChemOffice Ultra 2005 (1 replies)
627. Software requests... Please lend a hand :) (6 replies)
628. Conversion Calculators Online (3 replies)
629. where's the hive (6 replies)
630. Propane and butane... (6 replies)
631. Parcel Post (4 replies)
632. Did you know? (51 replies)
633. Fd up movies (80 replies)
634. ossible bandwith-illimited solution to share files for all roguesci member (7 replies)
635. Software request: any of the CABO databases (1 replies)
636. Full Auto .22 Sub Machine Gun, Silenced... (7 replies)
637. AW ban over but opposition conducting tests... (6 replies)
638. Stupid and hilarious e-mail (4 replies)
639. Patron Saint of Explosives (5 replies)
640. Stab or Slash? (22 replies)
641. Firetruck Flamethrower (2 replies)
642. Detonating Thermite.. (7 replies)
643. Anybody we know? (3 replies)
644. Psychoanalyze Yourself! (14 replies)
645. Is the 380 tons in Iraq the smoking gun to AQ? (0 replies)
646. The Problem with FTP's (4 replies)
647. Half-Life 2 on the way :) (19 replies)
648.
649.
646.
This is not647.
648. Uses of Mercury? (16 replies)
649. Message to NBK (2 replies)
650. CNC (or G code) help....please? (10 replies)
651. translation software (5 replies)
652. hi (4 replies)
653. alternative file sharing (1 replies)
654. Did you vote today? (54 replies)
655. hushmail and others (4 replies)
656. The end of the Oil Age (18 replies)
657. "Modex Hybrid"??? (1 replies)
658. Wi-Fi "Bomb" draws authorities (4 replies)
659. Tetrameric Acetone Peroxide (5 replies)
660. improvised fuse (1 replies)
661. Brisancy? (20 replies)
662. Chem lab. (3 replies)
663. EFP tutorial?? (2 replies)
664. Dumb question about Roguesci homepage. (3 replies)
665. 350 TONS RDX, HMX, PETN in the wind! (18 replies)
666. storing gasoline and diesel (9 replies)
667. Aussie mans house raided for ordering books online (1 replies)
668. Arguments relating to religion (29 replies)
669. ftp/e-mail subscription (0 replies)
670. The Complete Metalsmith (0 replies)
671. .zip file password cracker (9 replies)
672. Newcomer's Ftp (0 replies)
673. The skunkworks (15 replies)
674. Bike Thieves (6 replies)
675. Sulfuric in Oz (8 replies)
676. Help on units of concentration please? (2 replies)
677. Any ex/military in the forum? (13 replies)
678. The Ig Nobel Prizes for 2004 have been announced! (0 replies)
679. Ansari X prize (8 replies)
680. question on rating members (8 replies)
681. Phosgene and chloropicrin in Bratislava (0 replies)
682. An interesting conspiracy site (1 replies)
683. wanted: dongle crack for spartan 04 (2 replies)
684. wanted: The Combined Chemical Dictionary 2002 (3 replies)
685. McDonalds "Bombed" by irate k3wls! (13 replies)
686. hitman (0 replies)
687. painful creativity request (4 replies)
688. toxicity (9 replies)
689. Purchasing and Owning Land Anonymously (7 replies)
690. The most brisant cracker ! (13 replies)
691. Suggestions for a graphics card for video editing (22 replies)
692. Loyalty Day? (0 replies)
693. Time for a PC reformat :( (5 replies)
694. A problem with Smokeless Powder (NC) (7 replies)
695. Tables (3 replies)
696. Bush - Kerry election parody (5 replies)
697. 9/11 Third Anniversary Today (15 replies)
698. Australian Embassy bombing (27 replies)
699. Ballon Incendiary (3 replies)
700. Curiousity Only (3 replies)
701. AP matches (6 replies)
702. Google Search Tips (5 replies)
703. just another way of anonymous file transfer (0 replies)
704. anonymous blog (2 replies)
705. anonymous mail (1 replies)
706. anonymous chatting (1 replies)
707. anonymous browsing (1 replies)
708. Yodel Bank - transferring money anonymously (3 replies)
709. US plans portable nuclear power plants (11 replies)
710. Freenet - A Free Net (11 replies)
711. Let me see if i can post or not... (0 replies)
712. what exactly is that makes you into this stuff? (17 replies)
713. The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives. (10 replies)
714. Implosion type FAE (18 replies)
715. Who wanna pay for free information? weaponscombat.com (1 replies)
716. Of axt and liars (0 replies)
717. problems posting and changing password (2 replies)
718. roguesci tshirts to raise money (20 replies)
719. LMAO at this one. (4 replies)
720. My new page on Oxy-hydrogen explosions (4 replies)
721. Peer Guardian (0 replies)
722. Its a Boy! (4 replies)
723. Decomposing monoammonium phosphate? (3 replies)
724. Zinc Chloride Solubility (7 replies)
725.
726.
723.
This is not724.
725. Xload's site (1 replies)
726. Now that things are stable again...... (8 replies)
727. Script problems? (0 replies)
728. torrents (5 replies)
729. Nut with an armored bulldozer... (2 replies)
730. Pathetic and Hipocritical Laws (7 replies)
731. n3ver 2 0ld 2 B k3wl- (3 replies)
732. Tetrahydrofuran in Oz. (2 replies)
733. A quick question for robin (or anyone else who might know) (0 replies)
734. Nitro accident (non-explosive) - HELP ! (8 replies)
735. Formaldehyde from Hexamine (1 replies)
736. Port of Texas, anyone? (1 replies)
737. Nitrazine (1 replies)
738. What's your favorite "man-church"/tool-store? (9 replies)
739. EOD in Iraq (2 replies)
740. Ready.gov parody (3 replies)
741. Acetone Peroxide Through Ozone (10 replies)
742. Development in Iraq (6 replies)
743. Chinese Alchemy ??? (9 replies)
744. Nick berg terrorist video (53 replies)
745. Body disposal (42 replies)
746. Gelled acetone/nc? (4 replies)
747. Summer is Fireworks Season (9 replies)
748. Good for nitration or not? (5 replies)
749. Look at this bullshit [plagerism alert] (26 replies)
750. Helo kills - Thermal Imaging view... (Graphic) (32 replies)

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751. DEA Agent Shot Himself - whoops (20 replies)

752. Good source of Mg? (8 replies)
753. Terrorists and AN restrictions (8 replies)
754. Secret Service taking Job to new levels (5 replies)
755. I see dead people (28 replies)
756. Nice "I Love Explosives" Decal (0 replies)
757. Anybody know how to edit djvu files? (5 replies)
758. Knives, the Real Steel. (19 replies)
759. Decent Piece of Iraqi Home-engineering (3 replies)
760. Slashdot: This Robot Collects Fingerprints (0 replies)
761. Police Foil Bank Robber's Scuba Getaway (14 replies)
762. Binary Cracker. (5 replies)
763. Entomopter: Exploration or Espionage of the Future? (2 replies)
764. Detonation Films (1 replies)
765. In search of opinions...APWAX? (15 replies)
766. Black book of arson by Lyle Whitney (4 replies)
767. How to increase your AP yield... (13 replies)
768. Ghost town (25 replies)
769. slaughterhouse (Question) (13 replies)
770. New Identity (3 replies)
771. Perhaps the dumbest thing ever with a 25 shot cake! (1 replies)
772. Are rockets legal in Australia? (4 replies)
773. 3.5 tonnes of stolen ammonium nitrate in Australia (6 replies)
774. Potash of Ammonium Nitrate (3 replies)
775. 660 kg of dynamite and 5000 detonators under your bed? (7 replies)
776. Metal additives in dynamites (6 replies)
777. A little close for comfort (18 replies)
778. Magnesium Extraction From Epsom Salts (8 replies)
779. Explosive Enthusiasts say the darndest things..... (19 replies)
780. Replicas and their sizes (6 replies)
781. Look out, it's more BS from Australia's tabloids (6 replies)
782. The Forum has been ATTACKED! (4 replies)
783. Improvised fridge (7 replies)
784. Booby traps (3 replies)
785. Hexachlorobenzene (7 replies)
786. Making the Ultimate Suit of Body Armor (6 replies)
787. aeroponics or aero-hydroponics (1 replies)
788. More Stable AP? No Way! (7 replies)
789. Microwave Concentration of Hydrogen Peroxide Lab (12 replies)
790. Do you get the subliminal message? (4 replies)
791. Giving up your DNA ? (3 replies)
792. Light in the water (8 replies)
793. testing KNO3 (9 replies)
794. a few quick issues (6 replies)
795. How would you... (2 replies)
796. Forum woes and impending doom. (17 replies)
797. E-Books... (5 replies)
798. power labs (1 replies)
799. PETN charges-amounts needed to do the job (7 replies)
800. Bionics - Robotic legs (0 replies)
801. Book request: Build your own fuel cells (6 replies)
802. Dmso=msm (2 replies)
803. Kewls and Cakes (3 replies)
804. Phone Sex (2 replies)
805. fall-out (of hair that is) (5 replies)
806. Annm +al (7 replies)
807. Historical K3\/\/ |_ ness (0 replies)
808. fistloads (9 replies)
809. Searching for a M72 66mm Law Rocket (8 replies)
810. AP used in bread making?? (7 replies)
811. A short guide to "tagging" (3 replies)
812. basic chem know-how ? (7 replies)
813. Oxygen on the Sun? (7 replies)
814. About Madrid's bombs (24 replies)
815. A request (1 replies)
816. EOD school pics (11 replies)
817. Physics experiment (9 replies)
818. My greetings, hello to the NeWb post. (7 replies)
819. Good news (5 replies)
820. Please help! How does this beautiful magic trick work? (1 replies)
821.
822.
819.
This is not820.
821. Does someones want to correspond with me ? (2 replies)
822. How to throw knifes ? (9 replies)
823. Plucking Video (6 replies)
824. An white smoke (0 replies)
825. Jackasses of the Month (7 replies)
826. Anatomy of a Firework (2 replies)
827. Financing your life (1 replies)
828. Pernitric acid (1 replies)
829. how bad is google being censored? (13 replies)
830. KNO3 -> KClO3 question (3 replies)
831. Dogs (2 replies)
832. basic/newbies gide to distilling nitric acid (5 replies)
833. Iron Titanium Oxide (4 replies)
834. Lego (12 replies)
835. Sodium/potassium chlorate preparation? (1 replies)
836. An/mnn/c (1 replies)
837. Train Explosion in Iran (1 replies)
838. Voluntary Human Extinction (6 replies)
839. Glycerin (1 replies)
840. Copper (II) Permanganate (2 replies)
841. Extracting Red Phosphorus (6 replies)
842. Kids party ideas (15 replies)
843. Aluminum Powder (KMnO4/Al/S Flash) (8 replies)
844. Huge Meth Lab Bust Video (5 replies)
845. Get them while you can... (0 replies)
846. Help Save The Second Amendment (1 replies)
847. Largest (20 replies)
848. Buying/Finding Glassware (7 replies)
849. basic fiream care qurestion (7 replies)
850. Piracy Raids In Australia (0 replies)
851. Brainwashing Manual (0 replies)
852. Has someone on the forum been up to no good? (4 replies)
853. One time encryption (4 replies)
854. Hamas, PLO and the tactics used (5 replies)
855. Can you help? (2 replies)
856. Massive EGDN yeilds? (3 replies)
857. So you think you're good at math? (16 replies)
858. Caveman Chemistry (1 replies)
859. GE Plant for landmine location (6 replies)
860. The copy of Call Of Duty that's on the FTP (14 replies)
861. "Helping" someone lose their job. (13 replies)
862. How to POST images. (7 replies)
863. Ballistic Sheeting (11 replies)
864. the dumbest question ever (4 replies)
865. non-conical/hemispherical SC's (1 replies)
866. acetic anhydride (8 replies)
867. source of dimethyl aniline (2 replies)
868. The ultimate SC (2 replies)
869. Possible performance enhances for Zn+S (3 replies)
870. What to do if you get hurt (1 replies)
871. The Post Office (11 replies)
872. samosa's Deep Thought (14 replies)
873. Digital Scales (9 replies)
874. car (borrowing) with t.v remote (2 replies)
875. South African Members (0 replies)
876. Street Lights = Grow Lights? (19 replies)
877. Diesel (22 replies)
878. NH4ClO4 Based eplosives ? (0 replies)
879. 2nd newbie kno3 question (13 replies)
880. Chlorine+Alcohol+12 year olds=hurt (10 replies)
881. Cant Find them.... (8 replies)
882. Nitro Acid HNO3 (10 replies)
883. CAD Program (21 replies)
884. ittle known facts of Napalm (9 replies)
885. Legality (18 replies)
886. Home made nuclear device (53 replies)
887. Nano Thermites! (12 replies)
888. Rogue Science (7 replies)
889. diphe/nilethane di/isocianato (6 replies)
890. petn by H2SO4 + AN (8 replies)
891. Interesting Videos (27 replies)
892. Converting .mov to any other format (2 replies)
893. Magic Lantern (2 replies)
894. First use of land mines? (1 replies)
895. Idiot of the month (28 replies)
896. Cruise Missle Man Arrested in NZ? (5 replies)
897. PARTAL detonation (7 replies)
898.
899.
896.
This is not897.
898. Apache Sniping (19 replies)
899. newbie kno3 question (2 replies)
900. Blast chamber (4 replies)
901. where to post about mailign stuff? (6 replies)
902. looking for italians members! (1 replies)
903. Myrol and nitroesters (1 replies)
904. Car Bomb detonated in Sydney (44 replies)
905. Nitric acid (4 replies)
906. Optimizing Black Powder for cannons, mortars, or pyrotechnics (14 replies)
907. My new computer! (24 replies)
908. Visco fuse (1 replies)
909. Oxygen (6 replies)
910. HELP-hopelessly stuck with AP (17 replies)
911. Two possible lead Azide replacements? (7 replies)
912. Einstein's Riddle (13 replies)
913. Where to get the components for Bp in england? (20 replies)
914. Your, Trigger/Motivation/Inspiration (20 replies)
915. Leaving all my loves behind (64 replies)
916. The surreal US security machine (20 replies)
917. Alcohol and Distilleries (3 replies)
918. The profecy is true (17 replies)
919. Looking for diagrams... (2 replies)
920. PGP Unsafe? (28 replies)
921. Aluminum Sulphate (0 replies)
922. Dog grabs firework video (9 replies)
923. The Sopranos (4 replies)
924. 11 year old in UK arrested over treehouse... (11 replies)
925. Ramjet Design Discussion (7 replies)
926. Storing Explosives....I know its stupid... (27 replies)
927. Can us n00bz still post? (5 replies)
928. Hackthissite.org (29 replies)
929. Military Ammo Case (12 replies)
930. What does RTPB mean? (3 replies)
931. The origin of the Grinch. (18 replies)
932. Whats everyone got planned for new years eve? (31 replies)
933. New ruger 10/22 (11 replies)
934. Det cord in the concrete (7 replies)
935. Kewls on tape! (52 replies)
936. HNO3 Synth using HCl (3 replies)
937. Underground Bunker made by myself (23 replies)
938. Someone help me out here, Zeolites... (4 replies)
939. Nigger manual (135 replies)
940. Isopropyl peroxide? (0 replies)
941. AP mass production (2 replies)
942. Aluminum+Pyrodex (10 replies)
943. Learning to Drive (20 replies)
944. What ever happened to FTP Disks (1 replies)
945. Urban Survival (16 replies)
946. giant fountain w/ whistle comp? (6 replies)
947. MSN Encryption Plugin (10 replies)
948. Indestructible eh? (48 replies)
949. test (10 replies)
950. RTPB's (25 replies)
951. Blow gun dart poison (20 replies)
952. Testing of unknown explosives (9 replies)
953. DIY Cruise Missile Grounded (31 replies)
954. Carbon Rods (5 replies)
955. Nitro paint-explosive? (13 replies)
956. cal hypo and sugar (4 replies)
957. Ammoniumperchlorate (9 replies)
958. The Scan Scam (25 replies)
959. How to calculate critical mass for fissionable materials? (11 replies)
960. Ammonium Dichromate (6 replies)
961. 6.00 for a lb of Citric Acid? (5 replies)
962. my god i remember ironwarlock (5 replies)
963. Google knows best? (8 replies)
964. hexamine dinitrate and nitromethane (1 replies)
965. Chem Software (3 replies)
966. Radio Match 2 (1 replies)
967. Sound in relation to depth of a charge of APAN (11 replies)
968. Permanganate Synthesis (13 replies)
969. Different coloured iron oxide? (2 replies)
970. Does anyone know whats happening to my account? (5 replies)
971. New UK Fireworks Laws (13 replies)
972. Michael Moore (37 replies)
973. SImple HV transformer for NItric acid production (6 replies)
974. Forum Customs (7 replies)
975.
976.
973.
This is not974.
975. about kingspaz (30 replies)
976. Persulfates (Peroxydisulfates) (14 replies)
977. Welcome member 5000! (10 replies)
978. multishot barrel loaded guns and mortors weapon (6 replies)
979. What explosive next? (10 replies)
980. any weapon plans for a .308 (6 replies)
981. Newbee (2 replies)
982. Take a look (22 replies)
983. Any Brits Here ? ( special request ) (3 replies)
984. EOD Career (15 replies)
985. "Useless thread" (9 replies)
986. what book (16 replies)
987. Commiserations to all the Aussies out there! (4 replies)
988. Using AP and AN (1 replies)
989. Mega's Story (15 replies)
990. 1st go at AP, gone well (4 replies)
991. Car bomb Crater sizes (Bali nuke?) (11 replies)
992. Creating a ftp community (10 replies)
993. Whats it to be sir? (35 replies)
994. Reliable improvised fuse - Howto (3 replies)
995. Wheel of Time #10 Crossroads of Twilight (3 replies)
996. jpeg encryption (5 replies)
997. Cardboard Tubes (4 replies)
998. Cost: low explosive vs high explosive (8 replies)
999. E&W Private network(Wireless) (14 replies)
1000. Protecting data? Physically hide it?! (25 replies)

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1001. [un]Offical Forum Flame Form (13 replies)

1002. Molotov related chemical (4 replies)
1003. War on information? (12 replies)
1004. Pharmacy drug index (3 replies)
1005. Howdy All New to Forum (3 replies)
1006. silver and coper (3 replies)
1007. PGP Disk- More than 1 password (7 replies)
1008. Shimizu's Fireworks, The Art, Science & Technique (4 replies)
1009. drugs (10 replies)
1010. Skin Windows! (13 replies)
1011. remote detonation (3 replies)
1012. Sexual Pyro Arousal (1 replies)
1013. PDF creation? (3 replies)
1014. Pyro laws in florida (0 replies)
1015. What has been your worst accident? (175 replies)
1016. organic synth via electronics (0 replies)
1017. HE explosions (6 replies)
1018. safety of P2P software (1 replies)
1019. Firecrackers (13 replies)
1020. Is it just me, or does Jackass suck? (33 replies)
1021. Halloween fun.... (20 replies)
1022. Imprinting keys... (1 replies)
1023. Hillmans site (4 replies)
1024. Pgp (11 replies)
1025. Small furry creatures ---> Red Mist (34 replies)
1026. Impurities and dyes in Drain H2SO4 (4 replies)
1027. Michael Ammar's "The Crazy Man's Handcuffs" (3 replies)
1028. H2SO4 Accident (4 replies)
1029. Getting shot with a spud gun and the human response (24 replies)
1030. My IP is banned? (14 replies)
1031. Making acetaldehyde or formaldehyde (9 replies)
1032. Safety issues (18 replies)
1033. private investigation (5 replies)
1034. Vote Arnold (funny) (0 replies)
1035. stolen bike (3 replies)
1036. Searching Tips (6 replies)
1037. shit distillation (3 replies)
1038. My precious EMC (5 replies)
1039. TAG and Potassium Nitrate (3 replies)
1040. Can't be just coinsedence.... (3 replies)
1041. More Airport Idiocies (4 replies)
1042. acid and base strength of alcohols (3 replies)
1043. solubility problem (1 replies)
1044. How did you come up with your forum name? (113 replies)
1045. Drop Pops (3 replies)
1046. stuck stoppers (6 replies)
1047. two questions (1 replies)
1048. how I got REAL detos cases (6 replies)
1049. A new gun (14 replies)
1050. CrO3 Ideas? (4 replies)
1051. Detonating Chlorates (7 replies)
1052. RDX by acetic and para (11 replies)
1053. hypobromites (8 replies)
1054. Mr-Eckted is back (1 replies)
1055. copper ammonium complex? (2 replies)
1056. Does It Really Matter? (9 replies)
1057. Creating a FTP server (1 replies)
1058. Snow Machine (6 replies)
1059. AP newbie questions (9 replies)
1060. Where do you want to go from here? (11 replies)
1061. Modified Haber Process (3 replies)
1062. Vestas (strike anywhere matches) (4 replies)
1063. Basketball Bomb (2 replies)
1064. glossary? (3 replies)
1065. anyone have VB6 professional edition or better (16 replies)
1066. Nukes....good or bad..? (16 replies)
1067. Looking for Windows 3.1 (8 replies)
1068. H2SO4 Question (2 replies)
1069. Fruit of Death? (5 replies)
1070. Phosphoric Acid (4 replies)
1071.
1072.
1069.
1070.
1071. Brits: Looking for a job? (2 replies)
1072. milk white NG (3 replies)
1073. Last call forumites (3 replies)
1074. A few questions regarding PGP (2 replies)
1075. German demo group "Farbrausch" kicks ass ! (3 replies)
1076. Greatest Disappointments (6 replies)
1077. forum file sharing (10 replies)
1078. Your Forum member number (6 replies)
1079. The Great Google Hunt (35 replies)
1080. Question on Forum History (RTC) (9 replies)
1081. smuggling help (24 replies)
1082. Sulfuric Acid Absolute Gravity (8 replies)
1083. Help please (5 replies)
1084. An (3 replies)
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angryphil November 8th, 2006, 10:23 AM

Ok, as we all know its becoming steadily harder to buy chemicals without producing a collection of various liscenses, but there still some good sites around for buying chemicals
cheaply and legally. Get them while you still can!
Note: These are UK links only, they might work in other countries but I havent checked.
CHEMICALS:
www.thechemicalshop.com very pricey, but it has most of everything.
www.kno3.com has nearly everything thechemicalshop.com has, but is muuuuuch cheaper!
www.thegreenman.me.uk very realible and quite cheap-ideal for pyrotechnics, also has some usefull plans and formulas.
www.ebay.co.uk currently has some very good deals on KNO3.
www.pyroplanet.co.uk mainly for fuse, but it sells KNO3 at a good price and some very cheap fuse.
FUSE:
www.ukvisco.com realible supplier of standard visco and effects fuses.
www.pyroplanet.co.uk see above.
If anyone knows of any better UK sites please reply:)
mike16 November 8th, 2006, 10:52 AM

Yes, www.thechemicalshop.com, is where I have been buying my chems from, but 6.99 for 500g sodium carbonate :eek:, its very expensive.
There is another site, "www.labpakchemicals.com", I was going to order 5 litres of H2SO4 and 3 litres of HNO3, but on the order form you have to say what you are going to
use the chemicals for, so I just left it.
I thought saying I was going to use 3 litres of HNO3 for fertiliser would look a bit suspicious.
ShadowMyGeekSpace November 8th, 2006, 01:42 PM

You should have taken the time to actually read the threads that are already present on the board. At the _top of the list of threads_ in the "chemicals, apparatus, and
equipment" there's http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/chemicals-apparatus-equipment/1877-great-otc-survey.html
PS: Use The Fucking Search Engine (UTFSE)
Gerbil November 8th, 2006, 01:52 PM

www.thechemicalshop.com very pricey, but it has most of everything.
www.kno3.com has nearly everything thechemicalshop.com has, but is muuuuuch cheaper!
Both are apparently run by the same guy, and reviews of his sites aren't exactly great (I've done research).
angryphil November 8th, 2006, 02:54 PM

kk, thx for the info, ive never used them and i wont now!

Actually...
mike16, what's your experience been like?
Also bear in mind that you can find a lot of chemicals in 'normal' shops if you look around ;) .
mike16 November 8th, 2006, 07:13 PM

Well, its been an expensive experience, at 14 for just 500ml H2SO4:mad:.
For the future im planning on buying a few litres of cheap H2SO4 and a few kilos of KNO3, and I will start making my own nitric acid, I've made nitric acid before, only on a
small scale, but it worked!:)
This was the first time I've made my own HNO3 and hopefully not the last.
It was a very slight yellow colour and tested to be >90% purity, and it fumed a lot, I love seeing HNO3 when it fumes, its beautiful.
c.Tech November 8th, 2006, 09:08 PM

Both are apparently run by the same guy, and reviews of his sites aren't exactly great (I've done research).
Not only that but thechemicalshop.com and kno3.com are probably the dodgiest chemical sites around and they sell most chemicals which are used mainly in drug synthesis,
pyro and explosives. What kind of chemical shop sells that?
They are quite suspicious if you ask me.
They have been mentioned here before and I strongly recommend nobody shops there, many of the more experienced members believe it is the cops and I agree.
CTMTNA November 9th, 2006, 11:11 AM

My first post... I tried 'www.kno3.com' this monday. ordered 1.5kg of sodium nitrite. I got it today(Stocks up for quite a while):D So I decided to order 1.5 kg of Hexamine, I
cant imagine that anybody can guess what that is for... :rolleyes: Sacrificing myself for the better. Ill let you know if anything goes wrong. Hopefully it will be in my "mailbox"
in a couple of days..
CTMTNA November 18th, 2006, 02:05 PM

The hexamine I ordered last week arrived two days ago. It has a kinda bright greyish blue color:confused: ? But works fine for the purpose:) . By the way, the sodium nitrite
has some impurities in the form of yellow brown chunks. Im not saying that it is fine to order from this place, I guess that for these things it never is. But so far I havent
encountered any problems.
Has anyone else realised that the amount of people posting in this thread saying they bought these chems have 0 posts?
Cop1: Try this, I got the order.

Cop2: Yeh I got my chems too.
Idiot: Awesome I will buy some.
Idiot gets arrested.
I could be wrong, just pointing it out for safetys sake.
Cobalt.45 November 19th, 2006, 02:06 PM

Along the same train of thought: Who's to say that a discussion forum might not be put up by the law.:eek:
This site would be administrated and moderated by the law. Kind of a "honey pot" to collect a bunch of unwitting souls. All neatly tied up with a bow.
That way, nobody has to be conned into trying to buy chemicals. They just start posting. No entrapment, or having to deal with money sent to the cops to pay for the
chemicals. The cops can't just keep the money, even if they are cops.
Between this as a possibility, and the Carnivore monitoring system of the FBI, (pause while he looks outside to see black 'copters hovering overhead and JBT's coming up the
drive...):(
megalomania November 25th, 2006, 09:36 PM

If I'm a fed, the fedgov sure owes me a lot of paychecks because I have not seen a dime yet :)
Jacks Complete November 27th, 2006, 07:43 PM

Don't forget, entrapment is perfectly ok in the UK. The cops frown on it, but if they do it, it won't save you (unless you are the son of a statesman)
I doubt anyone ordering 2Kg of pre-explosive is going to get any issues. After all, the law says you can have a small amount of explosive without a license, otherwise
possession of a cracker snap or rocket engine would be an offence. Oddly, for smaller stuff, they could do you as a terrorist, or not bother at all. It would probably depend on
your face.
Element13 November 27th, 2006, 10:35 PM

I believe that KNO3.com may be the cops but I'm not sure.
I have an interesting story to tell. It starts last year when I discovered Skylighter. I bought a bunch of stuff there and got myself real interested in learning pyrotechnics. That
was in early 2005. I read about how the CPSC was trying to stop the sale of chemicals to make fireworks. Being older and having a few extra bucks I took it to heart and
began building a large inventory of chemicals from Skylighter and eBay.
I even ordered a bunch of items that couldn't be shipped. I planned a family vacation and drove all the way to Virginia to pick them up (we visited DC and Virginia beach too).
I have not really learned much yet about making fireworks, but I sure have a lot of the necessary chemicals. As I was in this frenzy of buying as many pyro-chemicals as I
could, I discovered KNO3.com. Being from the USA, I thought their prices were too high but I noticed that they sold one chemical that I have not seen available anywhere else.
Red phosphorus!
I had also purchased books that told how impact fireworks could be made using red phosphorus. I was aware that red phosphorus is used to make meth but that didn't
stop me (it probably should have). I ask them for a shipping quote to get it from the UK to me and it was reasonable. They had a buy 5 and get one free deal so I
went ahead and ordered it (600 grams). It got to me real fast within about 4 days. Thats when I knew something was wrong. Getting it to that fast meant it was
shipped by air. It was not shipped legally.
All I wanted it for was to make impact fireworks like cracker balls and torpedoes. Once I realized how dangerous it is to make those things, I decided to wait until I've learned a
lot more before making any attempts. I also made a decision to NOT make any exploding fireworks because they are much more dangerous and more likely to get me into
trouble. I made fountains and a bottle rocket launcher for the 4th. After the 4th, I made a batch of lances in different colors.
Its now late July, about three months after the red P arrived, and I got a phone call at work. The postal inspector, a guy from the bomb squad and two plain clothes detectives
were waiting at my house and wanted me to come home and explain why I had bought the red phosphorus and the other chemicals from Skylighter. The trigger for this visit
was Skylighter's most recent shipment to me. The 5 lbs. of sodium nitrate that was backordered had arrived.
I was totally freaked out but since I live real close to where I work, I told them I'd be right there in a couple of minutes.
This all has a very happy ending. When I got home, they introduced themselves and the postal inspector handed me my sodium nitrate. I told all these folks the same story
I'm telling you. I invited them into my house to see where I had the chemicals stored. They could see I was harmless. I have no lab equipment except a coffee pot, triple
beam balance and a few mixing screens. No cold medicine! No meth lab! No homemade M80's! The choices I had made earlier saved my ass. I offered to give them (let them
confiscate) the red P but they said I could keep it. I also volunteered to give them a copy of my chemical list. They said sure, and I e-mailed it to one of them. I offered to let
them look in the boxes where I keep the chemicals and they declined. This was it. They left and I haven't heard from them since.
The only thing I changed is I now keep oxidizers and fuels in separate rooms.
This whole thing makes me think there really is freedom in the USA. But then again maybe its because I'm 56 years old. Would I have been treated differently if I were 26?
How did they know I bought the red phosphorus?
nbk2000 November 28th, 2006, 05:37 AM

Well, pigs like it when you roll over like a whipped dog, so that helped. :)
Being grandpa' helps too. If you looked like some tweaky Gen X'er, you'd have been fucked.

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Grapes Of Wraith Novem ber 8th, 2006, 11:19 PM

My dog react's badly to m y pyrotechnic expiriments, and I fear they are getting increasingly worse. Every time I even light a
m atch she runs, hides and wont stop shaking. I would like to know if just animals in general have a phobia of fire. Or is m y
dogs reaction from a traumatic expirience as a pup?
festergrump Novem ber 9th, 2006, 12:06 AM

I'd guess that it's from a previous trau ma, but who could know for sure?
My dog had a problem with anything that even resem bled a gun when I first got him as a pup from my sister because her
hubby decided one day to pop him in the face with a pa intball gun when he shat on the floor. :m a d :
H e ' s b e e n m y d o g s i n c e s o o n a f t e r ( a b o u t 4 o r 5 m o n t h s , n o w ) a n d I h a v e b e e n a b l e t o g ain his trust with him around both

rifles and pistols, eve n while shooting them. He doesn't care for the noise much at all, prefering to m ove a distance away and
lay down, but at least he's not assum ing a defensive position or getting aggressive when I break out the firearm s, anym ore.
I always pet him really well afterwards and give him a treat, reinforcing that everything is okay and t h a t h e n e e d n o t b e
alarm e d . H e ' s c o m i n g a l o n g n icely so far as the sight of guns, but the din is something I'm absolutely positive he'd rather d o
without.
Any anim a l n e e d s t o b e c o m e accustom e d t o h a v i n g l o u d n o i s e s g o i n g o f f r a n d o m ly (to them ) around them . If she's cowering

in the corner during a n electrical storm it will take much work to get her a ccustom ed to anything loud around her. Try having a
friend set off sm all firecrackers some distance away while you have your arm a r o u n d h e r n e c k l i k e a b u d d y ( i f s h e ' s b i g e n o u g h
to sit beside you) and petting her with your other hand (If its a small dog just sit her in your lap and 'comfortably' restrain
h e r ) . M a k e h er feel com fortab le through the whole experience.
Start out with sm all things and build her confidence. Dogs are work. Gotta keep reinforcing what they've learned and only
adding new things with promise of reward.
I'm n o d o g e x p e r t b u t I have had several in my lifetim e . H o p e f u l l y s o m e o n e w h o h a s s o m e experience with training dogs will
chim e in...
W hat kind of dog is she?
Grapes Of Wraith Novem ber 9th, 2006, 12:29 AM

She is a chiwawa terrier m ix about 2 years old (human years). She is very big for a chiwawa though and usually very calm bu t
explosions and any fire in general scares her to death.
I h a d s o m e b o t t l e r o c k e t s o n e y e a r a n d I was setting them off....

long story sh ort we spent about an hour trying to find her, she ran away and was hiding in a bush down the street.
pearlcrash911 Novem ber 9th, 2006, 03:25 AM

Did you get her at the pound?
T h e m a j o r i t y o f t h e p o u n d d o g s i n m y a r e a e s c a p e d f r o m fires, and from what I've seen they all run away when you just light a
m atch.
c.Tech Novem ber 9th, 2006, 03:48 AM

My dog ran away when I lit a match and we've had her since a pup from a private breeder.
I think it's natural for dogs to be scare d of fire and loud noises, it helps equip them for survival in their natural environm ent.
Bert Novem ber 9th, 2006, 10:50 AM

My last dog had to be put in lockdown before anything was lit- He ran TO WARDS fireworks, especia lly if thrown, and would
chase a rocket or she ll downrange trying to retrieve it. I still remem ber him running around with ha lf of a blown up mortar in his
m outh at a firing site, trying to get someone to m ake it fly through the air just one m ore tim e.
Between keying off of m y attitude and some parts of his search and rescue noise de-sensitization training, he got pretty
warped in his responses.
On the other end of the spectrum, the SPCA claim s the day after the 4th of July is usually one of the busiest days of the year
a t t h e p o u n d from all the dogs who took off trying to get away from the noise.
Grapes Of Wraith Novem ber 9th, 2006, 11:41 AM

yes, infact i did get her from the pound....
http://i10.ph o t o b u c k e t . c o m / a l b u m s / a 1 3 9 / m a x d a l / d o g - 1 . j p g
I m ight have s o m e other pictures.
Cobalt.45 Novem ber 9th, 2006, 10:52 PM

H a d a l o n g h aired daschund for seventeen years. And, for seventeen years she loved fireworks.
W a n t e d t o g e t a s c l o s e a s s h e c o u l d t o t h e m in an effort to "take them out".
No fear, just excitem ent.

Your dog might be reacting to your excitement, m isinterpreting it for dan ger.
Got a cat. He books as soon as he hears a "ssshhhh" from a fuze. Dam n good animal, just the sam e.
Red Beret Novem ber 10th, 2006, 03:06 AM

All d ogs I have had went into a panic with pyro. Just the fizz of fuse or a party popper or match and that was it. You can get
thunderstorm sedatives for dogs like that. Just pop it a pill before you cut sick.
sparkchaser Novem ber 10th, 2006, 04:17 AM

My short haired dachsund gets twitchy with the sound of a fire crackling in the fireplace. During the summ er, som e o f t h e l o c a l s
had a celebration of some holiday (don't know which, i'm not Belgian. anybody know what's in August in southern Belgium?),
and we could n't figure out why he was freaking out so badly until we heard the ever so faint popping of VER Y distant firework s.
S o m e critters just don't like it I guess.
Sausagemit Novem ber 11th, 2006, 04:47 PM

My folks APBT is not scared of fireworks but rather runs towards them and waits in anticipa tion, then barks when they go off. He
has never tried to grab a lit one thank god, but I fear he m ay try sometim e so he stays inside when there's fireworks abound.
Colt T Novem ber 20th, 2006, 12:31 AM

Most animals have a fear of fire and loud noises. My dog curls u p in the corner when i play the trum pet, but my aunts dog will
try to chase bottle rockets and rom a n c a n d l e s .
Core Novem ber 23rd, 2006, 12:15 PM

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Red Beret November 10th, 2006, 03:17 AM

With christmas and new years fast approaching, the question comes to mind; What are YOU doing? :confused:
For me, christmas is a time to reflect..... on pyro ideas that is!!:rolleyes: It's a good time to cut sick because the police are busy with the main party areas in the centre of
town, and I have found that they don't have the resources to deal (or give a shit) with all the people sitting at home letting off pyro or making a bit of noise and such.
A few years back I let off heaps of stuff off my driveway on NYE and no adverse effects were noticed. Some other people in my street were doing some, and a group of about
twenty gathered a few houses down and were cheering for more.
So whether it's pyro or HE that tickles your fancy, get in the spirit,take advantage of the busy law enforcement and party down!!!
Pyro style that is!!:D
Cobalt.45 November 10th, 2006, 10:39 AM

Decided to cut loose last 4th of July.
I waited 'till everybody in the vicinity was doing their works, then did a 15g flash salute.
Dead silence, for about two minutes. With the exception of one dude (drunk, prob.) who could be heard to yell, "do it again, man".
The sound echoed down the hollow like thunder.
Got no visit from the local constabularies, though.
I'm planning something similar, but louder, for new years. I haven't decided how much louder...
atlas#11 November 10th, 2006, 01:11 PM

lol, I used to live in a rural town in colorado where there was only one sherrif who responded to about a third of the already small number of calls she got. Needless to say, we
had free reign on the town. About a month ago while on a weekend visit we set off about 5 pounds of black powder in a tang container wrapped in duct tape at about 2:30am
in the center of town.
We still had to jump in my friend japperwagon and screech tires to get out of there as everyone would have recognized us if they saw us.
At my house, which is about a mile and a half outside of town up the mountian, there are only three neighbors, all of which are about a hundred yards or more from my house,
and none of them care about explosives. I used to set off 60-100gram charges of etn or what ever and no one cared.
Now, however, I live in an appartment in a bigger town, Any craters here I would assume would count as property dammage so I have kept them around 5 grams. I did
manage to make a three inch hole in the landscaping weed net and remove the little rock ground cover for about six inches away with just a small ammount of HMTD from a
batch that I had no intention of keeping.
That one drew the stupid RA's out of their cozy appartments and had them scratching their heads. Luckily I covered the hole up before they got over to my place.
As for using the holiday drunks as your diversion, thats a great idea, but the fourth is probably the worst time for me to do anything at my house, as fireworks in the forest
generaly is more at risk for forest fires so the cops watch for calls from up there alot more than usual. You really have to watch it, we've never had the cops up there and thats
a trend I don't intend to change anytime soon.
NoltaiR November 10th, 2006, 01:20 PM

Wow, when you guys party, you know how to go out with a bang.. :)
As for me the holidays means two things.. a month off of school (grad school is killing me) and more drinking. Well I guess those are just the positive things.. it also means I
have to work twice as much since I am involved in the retail industry. But Christmas bonuses are worth it!

Yea, the fire hazard involved is something to be extra careful of, no doubt.
Five pounds of BP, right in the middle of town. Now that's "gettin' 'er done"!!!:eek:
One thing I should consider is fire towers. With their telescopic view of the area, a big bang followed by a lazily floating cloud of smoke just wouldn't do.
Acetone peroxide is pretty good in that regard. Not any real flash, to boot. Might have to break out the 35%, when the time comes.
Best bet for me, is to do it up after dark.

If you are looking to make a good new years show.. try stretching the mind a bit further than simple explosions (even if you spent hours making them materials).
Take some time and design something with a bit more aesthetic value. A nice rocket that emits sparks (Al is my favorite) or changes color.. strontium red, potassium purple,
zinc green, etc.
Or for the really dedicated, order some empty mortar shells online and make your own fireworks display in the sky. Don't forget to take pictures :-)
Chris The Great November 10th, 2006, 02:55 PM

50kg ANFO equivalent is my basic plan. Might not be around civilization though, we'll see how it plays out. It'll be awesome^10 no matter what happens.
I agree with NoltaiR but I'm not so much of a pyrotechnician. I'll leave the pretty colours to the drugs after the booms are finished.
I'm sure the more pyro inclined members will put on a show like you describe though , I know a few from here who have done some VERY impressive stuff. See also the
"proper pyro" thread which has some real good stuff in it.
Cobalt.45 November 11th, 2006, 10:34 AM

I need only repair to the roof on nights when fireworks are going off. I can see four different municipal shows, off in the (not too far) distance.
I do make and use KNSU/BP 2:1 ratio fueled rockets with various headers like cut stars, glitter and a strobe comp that I'm still working out.;)
But- I still like a ground pounding blast as much as anything!:D :cool:
That ANFO shot will be something else...:eek:

Sausagemit November 11th, 2006, 04:29 PM

50kg ANFO
I miss read that the first time and I thought you said "50g". Then I thought to myself "50g is a waste of a blasting cap and the booster, wait did just write 50kg, yes he did".
You better put that in/on/around something really cool like underneath/on top of a 700 gallon horse tank filled with water and ice or something and video tape it for all the
forumites to behold the glory that is a 50kg ANFO explosion destroying something.
My brother is going to be on leave from the navy so it's def going to be party time for me. Whenever we get together something ends up getting destroyed either by
explosion, fire, or gunfire and sometimes all three.
Last time we ended up destroying his old laptop by running it over multiple times with a car, throwing it off of a cliff onto a large rock, and a couple of well placed 5g KClO3/Al
salutes. By the third salute the battery had ruptured and was melting the laptop.
It might be a good idea to pack a fire extingusher in my bag of tricks this year. :D
Red Beret November 11th, 2006, 08:44 PM

You all seem as excited as me!
Cobalt 45, what casing did you use for the 15g flash salute? I'm planning a 50g salute, in a 125g capacity plastic screw top food container, wrapped in shitloads of duct tape,
about 10-15mm worth. It will be KMNO4 flash. It's hard plastic.
I used to make some pyrotechnic items, little multishot cakes, couple of 3inch shells, with silver or chrsantemum stars. Painstakingly made quality blackpowder for lift and burst
charges. Whilst it was very enjoyable, it took up too much of my limited spare time, and couldn't get enough stuff ready.
So I have some class C pyro, and my stuff is ground salutes, a couple of "ground shells", HE, and LE too. I made this "old school" device, it's and empty, large CO2 bottle, full
of 50:50 black powder and smokeless powder. I will bury it about two feet down.
My ground shell is basically a cannister shell with crysanthemum 6 streamers, and BP burst, without a lift charge, to go off on the ground. Something different anyway.
My HE will probably be PNNM with PETN booster, fired by small AP or LS cap. Have to test the PETN first though, make sure it's sensitive to a small cap. It should be but I've hit
some with a hammer and it did'nt go off.
I was going to get these noise maker type shells for my shotty, but they are $85 for 25 shells!! Get outta here!! :D
As I've said, NYE and the like is a good time to do stuff with little risk of harrasment to authorities. Unless you doing something like 50kg of ANFO!
Universal November 12th, 2006, 12:24 AM

Well, guy fawkes was a week ago, and I did some stuff. I made an oxy-acetylene baloon, and it was so loud that it echoed a number of times off next door houses, my
neighbours didn't seem to enjoy it as much as I did judging by there comments, I made a 5 gram salute and buried it under the ground about 3cm, that was funny as hell
because the ground was really crumbly and dry so it went everywhere, and the crater was quite impressive. At least my friends thought so.
Red beret, looking fordwards to hearing about your 50 gram salute :D, be careful though, I wouldn't want hard plastic flung from a massive explosion at 200kph ;).
tmp November 12th, 2006, 04:16 AM

It's been about 6 months since I moved out of my apartment. The
assholes that ran that place put flyers on everybody's doors right before
the 4th of July every year. The place was run by an insane anti-fireworks
bitch who threatened to evict ANYONE who used even legal fireworks -
even fucking sparklers ! Where I'm at now, my neighbors are mostly
rednecks(like me :D ) who blaze up the the whole development with pyro
shit on the holidays. Back to the joys of making things that go BOOM ! :D
Viper III November 12th, 2006, 05:56 AM

I also want to make a firework this silvester..also when it is smaller than last year.
Last year I had around 6-7 kg firework (without HE) ...but it was too much work to do it again.
I think I will make 5 x150mm shells,..10 zylinder 50mm shells, a few Starmines and a lot of Flash bangs with NaClo3/Al

Cobalt 45, what casing did you use for the 15g flash salute? I'm planning a 50g salute, in a 125g capacity plastic screw top food container, wrapped in shitloads of duct tape,
about 10-15mm worth. It will be KMNO4 flash. It's hard plastic.
I rolled the casing from cereal box cardboard. 4.75"X .625IDX ~.125" wall. I used JB Weld to secure the end caps, also made from the same material.
This cardboard is easy to work with if you soak it in water for a minute, then roll it around your dowel. Then secure it with tape. Let it dry for a while, then slide the tube off
the tool to finish drying. Metal rod or tubing is best. If wood, wrap a round of waxed paper first.
Not as easy as your method, though!
Helps to use white glue between the plies. It'll get all over the place, but dries hard.
Anyway, it was center fuzed with visco. Left an air space of .5" when vertical- plain ol' salute-tech stuff.
I recovered some of the case. It had split length wise, and seemed to show complete combustion of the flash (Shimizu #1).
A 50 gram salute will be up there, loudness wise!:eek:
I was going to get these noise maker type shells for my shotty, but they are $85 for 25 shells!! Get outta here!!
If you are able to recover some spent shot cups from your shotgun shells, you can re prime an old casing, charge with 5-6 g of black powder (12ga.), using the shot cup as an
over wad. Re crimp the casing- it'll usually hold just fine- and have at it.
209 primers are cheap as hell. You could also cut your own over wads from card stock. Just be sure to "pack" the BP.;)
DeathBlade November 12th, 2006, 06:52 PM

What I do every year, something cheap. Usually just hydrogen balloons with a couple of feet of fuse. Some years if there is cash I use some czech 26.5 flares the white and
green stars really get far out there, and sometimes hit the ground burning. :D

Reply to Universal:
While it is about as simplistic as can be, oxy/acetylene balloons (or filled trashbags for the more daring) are always a ton of fun on celetration nights. They are easy to put
together so even when you are wasted beyond recognition you can still produce them.. and they are pretty safe considering there is no shrapnel. If you ever get the chance
when you are making these, try taking a quick video of one with a camera that has a very high frame rate. I would like to see one in slow-motion :)
Reply to Chris the Great:
50kg ANFO charges are incredible, but seem a bit mundane considering those that have detonated them never seem to go any further with their research than putting craters in
the ground. An idea I had (assuming you can take proper safety precautions) would be to make an FAE out of your 50kg charge. Possibly put it in a barrel of gasoline (like the
old "car bomb" video that was on here a long while back) or just a 5 gallon plastic jug of gas sitting on top of a hole filled with the ANFO.
I promise you will light up the sky~

Thanks Cobalt .45, I like the sound of your salute, sounds old school.
I have never tried Oxy/Acetylene baloons, it'll be next on the list I guess. Would they be the loudest thing one could make without using HE? How would a large baloon
compare with, say, 500g ANNM? It's a different sound I know, but which is louder?
I used to capture everything on film but I don't have my camera anymore. I should be getting a DVD handicam soonish though. I'm also getting a NVG unit.
Back to the Pyro, I'm thinking of some other more "inventive" things to do. Maybe make a shitload of AP, wash it in alcohol, place it at the blast site, with waterproof fuse in
place. Then come back when it's dry and fire. Massive AP blast without having to handle it "live".
I also have a 5L plastic container with a BP filled CO2 cartrige installed on the inside of the lid. I want to fill it with flammable liquid or gas.
I also have four butane gas cans, maybe I'll tape some CO2 devices to them. What else could I do with them? What can be done with liquid butane? Say I poured some onto
KNO3 and fired with regular fuse? I'm not saying it would go HE or anything, but maybe it would burn rapidly or something interesting.Suggestions?
Chris The Great November 14th, 2006, 12:59 AM

Unfortunately NoltaiR, the 50kg (Actually more like 15kg+ of a VERY powerful mix I've worked out with a shitload of Al) will probably be fired underground. I'm still expecting a
30 foot crater. Think the spidermonkey ANFO charge but much more so.
There is a place near here with some old metal stuff I could blow into nothingness, but TONS metal shrapnel (sharp and pointy no less), so, well, rather not. There really isn't
anything else to blow up around here.
However, if I have the time, I'm going to try some FAE burst/igniter charges I've been thinking of, in which case I'll fire a massive REAL FAE, with a detonating fuel cloud and
massive overpressure blast and all that. Whether I'll have then working by then, not sure.
Whatever happens it will be FUN.
NoltaiR November 14th, 2006, 04:52 AM

Two things.. first does anyone have a copy of that old video I was referring to? I believe it was called "car bomb". Pretty much looked like a very small nuclear warhead had
detonated around it.
Secondly, getting a little intoxicated and shooting roman candles at bags of oxy/acetylene is crazy fun
Sausagemit November 14th, 2006, 01:03 PM

I also have a 5L plastic container with a BP filled CO2 cartrige installed on the inside of the lid. I want to fill it with flammable liquid or gas.
If you plan on ignition of the flammible liquid start a small fire about 3-5 feet away from the device as I have never got ignition from the BP alone in a device like you are
describing. It will be worth it though as it will create a gynormous flame.
Bert November 14th, 2006, 03:06 PM

Generally speaking, getting intoxicated and then using pyrotechnics and other expolsives is a Darwin award competition.
I have not had a beer or anything else for that matter on 4th of July or New Year's eve for around 20 years. But I've had a great deal of fun regardless-

Secondly, getting a little intoxicated and shooting roman candles at bags of oxy/acetylene is crazy fun
What kind of bags are you using- garbage or?
And, how do you suspend them?
ap_gruffud November 15th, 2006, 12:48 AM

Me and my bro filled some ballons with oxy-accetaline gas once - tied about 30 feat of string to em - let em float and lit the line, makes a nice little fireball.....
GibbsFreeEnergy November 15th, 2006, 02:32 AM

I always found it fun to pressurize the acetylene/oxygen mixture into a large balloon or weather balloon. Then I'd take a piece of masking tape, the wide width kind, and
measure out about 3-4 feet of it so I could light it and let it burn horizontally. I'd hang it from a tree, then light it and run- and those damn things were quite loud. I could feel
the shock wave in my chest. Masking tape makes a fantastic fuse too- if you do it right you should easily have 30 seconds to get away.
Chris The Great November 15th, 2006, 03:00 AM

True that, Bert. I'm going to do that sort of thing AFTER all the explosives are done and gone. Certainly no point adding a bit of red to the thousand foot pillar of debris as it
flies into the air... ;)

Sausagemit; Yeah, I was planning on having a sparkler burning nearby, to ensure ignition. I may fill it with butane, and toss it underwater.
I'll have to try the masking tape + balloon of gas. Speaking of which, I have tried hydrogen balloons many times and could'nt get them to ignite. I bubbled the gas through
water as well.
BTW, having a bundle (1000+) of sparklers is a crowd pleaser! Especially if you put some cans of flammable gas in...;)

Gibbs is definetly correct in saying that you can feel the shockwave. Those charges are very brisant.
I was talking about using trashbags.. the 13 gallon house variety. The trick is to make sure that you fill whatever bag you are using as much as possible so there is at least
some pressurization (hence the reason balloons work so well).
One time I put a trashbag in a aluminum trashbarrel and filled the bag with the gas. Sealed the top of the bag and led a fuse outwards. Then securely attached the top of the
barrel.
Made for a good time.. we had a blast~

no_fear December 11th, 2006, 01:00 AM
I love you guys. I just had to say that real quick. I'm kinda new to the whole pyro thing, and haven't made much at all but I am very interested in some of this stuff.
You guys have some great ideas and I'm thinking about trying some stuff out. Nothing like 50 KG charges or anything, but it should be fun for my friends, since I doubt anyone
has felt the ground shake too hard before. ;)
NoltaiR January 7th, 2007, 06:42 PM

All I can say is, welcome aboard :)
no_fear January 8th, 2007, 12:17 AM

Alright thanks. I have been looking at different things so I think I got a few ideas.
Chris The Great January 9th, 2007, 12:34 AM

If anyone is wondering why my big blast never happened, the extra high power mixture I planned on using required a couple liters of nitroglyerin- which needs a fair deal of
nitric acid. As any of you who have spoken with me know, I've been bitching about the glassware company not getting my condenser replaced quickly (turns out it was
Christmas holidays for them, sucks to be me). No nitric, no nitro, no point in doing something like that half-assed. Though I did join the broad group of guys promising bigass
AN blasts and not delivering.:p

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ShadowMyGeekSpace November 10th, 2006, 05:34 AM

Today an acquaintance gave me this link:
'http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1163023202/Modern_binary_explosives'
Now, I don't know what they're using specifically, but it's impossible for me to believe that they used a single drop and achieved the end result the video shows, especially
considering the limited enviornmental pressure around the reaction.
A thing that popped into my head, was that the radio could have been used to signal a sniper with explosive ammunition to achieve the effect, or that there was actually more
than they show... perhaps explosives in the watermellon or something.
I pose these questions:
1) Is it actually possible that I am wrong and there is a binary explosive that is that volatile, amazingly without a cap?
2) Assuming it is not, why do people insist on instilling fear into sheeple?
mil&co November 10th, 2006, 06:53 AM

I think the video is a fraud.
First of all, no conventional explosive can vaporise a melon in such small quantity's. Even the new "super powerfull" (say HNIW, azo-clathrates etc.) explosives are not capable
of doing so.
Secondly, who says the melon was vaporised? The only thing I see on the video is a melon getting knocked from a pole. I don't see vapor, not even one small piece of the
melon.
Third, why use a pen? It only increases the distance between the explosive and the melon. Or is there something else in the pen?;)
2) Assuming it is not, why do people insist on instilling fear into sheeple?

To gain power?
Edit: Could the explosive shown in the video be armstrongs mixture?
Bert November 10th, 2006, 06:58 AM

The first comment is the most telling:I seriously expected "Vote Republican" to pop up at the end of this video.
The VOD's quoted are straight off of another site advertising (standard, non flame sensitive) binaries for de-mining operations.
I'd be very interested in finding out where this video came from- It's posted several other places as well.
BTW, did you notice the 1.1 labels on the bottles and box? The whole point of commercial binaries is that the components ARE NOT category 1 for simplicity in shipping and
storage.
ShadowMyGeekSpace November 10th, 2006, 07:32 AM

Would it not be possible to identify the possible mixture by the VOD they mention? It'd certainly rule out suspects. As I'm an amateur I don't have the experiance or knowledge
to really comment further, because all I have is questions.
BlackFalcoN November 10th, 2006, 08:27 AM

The explosive used looks a lot like 'Kinepak' (kinestick) which is just the commercial name for an ANNM mixture with a red dye in it to indicate a mixed binary charge.
( Although kinepak would require a blasting cap to detonate it)
In a split second the melon is vapourized
or just blown off it's sockle in the video :rolleyes:
This explosive, although rare, can be found todays world black market
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Kinepak available in the US to every civilian with a permit for use in mining and agriculture ?
hereno November 10th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Undoughtedly bullshit.
My guess:
Someone reinvented the acetone peroxide/nitrocellulose putty by mixing their AP with red nailpolish (its often NC based, note how they say it must "set" before being used),
then played on the current terrorism hysteria with a rather effective prank on the ignorant fools with their new "binary explosive" by detonating a pen filled with AP on a mellon
and adding in information on a real binary, kinepak.
Its possible what they created wasnt even an explosive, but the AP/nailpolish fits the description, well except for the exagerated claims of power.
Either Kids playing a prank or its the arabs at it again, using a different form of terrorism "Just how safe is it to fly?" :rolleyes:
Anyway, bert found the proof with the vod figures, which look to be for kinepak 'http://oditechnologies.com/products/binary_explosives.html'

Look at the guys hands, it's obviously some kid who dresses up in his h-core camo for the video. I've got a $5 two way radio which looks exactly the same too. Obviously it's a
fake.
sparkchaser November 10th, 2006, 05:20 PM

I wouldn't put too much stock in the $5 radio theory, the U.S. military uses motorolas that look just like that for routine tasks, unofficially of course (they're less finnicky than
field radios and don't require comsec).
But if you look at the brown paper surface about 3/4 through the video there is a stamp that looks like a postage proof stamp on a package. Can anybody read it? I can see
"BELST....." but that's about it.
I also am having trouble recognizing the uniform. It almost looks U.S., but we no longer use the old field jacket (we graduated to Gore Tex), and I can't get a good look at the
camo pattern. "Vapourized" is definetely U.K.. Can anybody get a better look at the camo pattern?
nbk2000 November 10th, 2006, 06:54 PM

In the picture labeled Fake1.jpg, if you look carefully at the gap on the right hand side where the melon sits on the pole, you'll see a white wire.
In the picture labeled Fake2.jpg, you'll see the sparks from the explosion are directed down and to the right, from about where a hole in the melon would be expected to be at
for that white wire to be attached to a hidden firework.
And the hands shown in the video are entirely too smooth to be anything other than a young teenage male.
I bet the 'explosive' is nothing more than baking flour and red nail polish. :rolleyes:
cyclosarin November 15th, 2006, 12:16 PM

At least they aren't trying to pass it off as red mercury. :)
Jacks Complete November 15th, 2006, 09:42 PM

Don't. Some poor sod in the UK just spent 15 months inside while they tried desperately to send him away forever because he was suspected of being a terrorist and wanted
to get some red mercury. Apparently the fact he never tried to get any of this mythical substance doesn't matter. Or the fact that he wasn't a suspect until he mentioned red
mercury...
Oh, and the video is shite. It would have to be an anti-matter melon to do that much damage with such a tiny drop of matter. I bet it didn't even burn. Besides, you can see
the smoke trail from the firework mounted on the pole that actually does the damage.
And finally, if that stuff did go bang that hard, the kid lighting it would have been using a long, long ignitor, as a flashover would have fragged him if it was real.
Curiously effective "freak out" music...
corrosive November 20th, 2006, 10:25 PM

After foolishly posting a thread not knowning there was one in effect already about this subject and this video, and this super binary explosive
Now after a requested thread delete, I've been watching the video every now and then to in terms "research" it.
I do believe this video is fake, by the hands, "smartly" written words and phrases during process of video, "scary" music, and ofcourse audio to the actual detonation itself is
deleted so you cannot decipher the explosion easily, be it a brisk sound or a boom.
Now, my question is what are all the sparks, huge amount of smoke from such a small amount of matter, huge energy release from again, small amount of matter, and what
is that wire that was unslacked after the explosion?
We all know that when a solid deflagrates, gunpowder for instances, the amount of solid in weight is turned into almost the same amount of weight in smoke, not sure if there
is a formula for this, but how can such emense amounts of smoke come out of such a small amount of solid.
The energy release from this is just impossible from such a small amount of matter, like mentioned earlier, it would have to be anti-matter to have such a destructive effect on
the watermelon. Obviously from this conlusive thought alone, we all know it wasn't the "binary" that did the damage, but a second, hidden firework or salute, judging by the
effects, ae. sparks, smoke.
^
This leads to the wire that was unslacked after the explosion, there was most likely a salute hidden behind the fence post, and then it was set off via. electric box through wire
that is following the fence line.
The whole organization of the explosion is very simple, light the fuse which is just a cannon fuse with nail polish on it, then wait a theoretical amount of seconds that the fuse
would give you before the explosion, then the trip the wires and booyakasha you have your effect.
How they made this video "almost believable"
- Mysterious modern binary explosive , for the un-wise.

- "Scary" or effective music for the background, for enhancement on the doubtful.
- Procedure is shown and is written phrase by phrase to make-seem like it is actual, set time 30 mins ect ect., to make heat sensitive.
- Ingredients with background boxes containing a sticker with 1.1 meaning hazard or flameable.
- To "increase" safety by sticking rubber to the open mass.
- Have an example of conceilment and show its effectiveness.
- Mentioned above, wear "Hardcore Camo" and use a radio in effect to call out a danger zone for explosives to his "other" brethren.
- And finally, have a huge charge in sync with the lighting of the fuse to show its energy release for the climatic effect, then reshown in slow-motion.
Desmikes November 21st, 2006, 12:45 AM

We are looking at about (0.25cm)^3 worth of volume, at 1g/cc and given the lightest 18g/M product even at 2000K+ that's a sphere of gas with radius of 6.2 cm at 1ATM. In
the video we are seeing a little more smoke than that .
Given the amount of sparks during an explosion it is safe to assume that the composition had powdered metals (thinking flash powder from a firework). Which would also
imply that getting a good VOD is gonna be a bitch. And of course, as others pointed out, the sparks do not originate from the location of the "binary".
Why does it even matter that its a binary. If you can bring random powders, liquid, and black powder fuses somewhere, you can also bring things that do not require mixing.
And ANY binary that is made of non-explosive components will fall short of high end molecular compounds.

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'http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6135612.stm'
The claim that he could build high explosives "within minutes" seems a little dubious :rolleyes: .
sparkchaser November 10th, 2006, 04:53 PM

Just another example of how a knee jerk reaction to terrorism can impede experimentation and first hand knowlege gain.
And people wonder why science is becoming such a "lost art" among the common folk.
In the 50s a person experimenting with those chems. would be aplauded for trying to further his knowlege.
It also seems to be an example of how pre-prescribed punishment can be detrimental to society. If he'd never been in custody, he never would have been aproached by actual
criminals. I won't even start on the fact that if the media had not blown it out of proportion the criminals would not have heard about it to begin with.

Merseyside Police raided the flat he shared with his parents in May, seizing bomb recipes and chemicals, including sulphur, hydrogen peroxide and potassium chloride.
Potassium chloride :p seems like they ran out of chemicals to scare people with, but at least the sheeple dont know what it is.
He had no links to terror groups or extreme political organisations

Taking into the consideration the amount of talk that goes on here about the government and such could we be considered an extreme political organization in the medias
eyes?
Match November 11th, 2006, 01:39 AM

Taking into the consideration the amount of talk that goes on here about the government and such could we be considered an extreme political organization in the medias
eyes?
I don't think it would be far off to say that eventually a local news
'Investigative personality' running into a dry spot will consider doing a story about this website. Citing it as an 'active community for the distribution of...' and using a local story
of a kid using 'satans dirty cunt stain formula' for some exagerated hype.
Community = organization. O well, It'll be a interesting show :D :rolleyes:
c.Tech November 11th, 2006, 02:13 AM

Hasnt that already happened? I read an article from a while back mentioning rougesci and a person who got arrested for j ust visiting us.
mrtnira November 11th, 2006, 11:27 AM

With recent changes in law to allow for preemptive prosecution, some people might be in trouble for just visiting the site, depending upon where they live and what else
they've got going on in their lives.
Also, some times you can see where someone needs to make a name for themselves, and will use an emotional topic like "terrorism" to do it. Not every public official is an
honest broker, but most are.
I do appreciate cops, unlike some (many) of the comments posted in the website. And, I've had the good fortune to meet many good, good cops over the years. I also
appreciate reading everything under the sun since the dawn of time. But, as NBK2000 and Meglomania (and Jacks Complete and others) have pointed out, our societies have
been moving away from the active, self-motivated individual investigation into the material world.
There is growing general attitude that information is increasingly only valid if it comes through pre-approved control channels, such as government run or government approved
schools. Or that information is only valid if it is emotionally acceptable. The spirit of self-directed personal investigation into the world around us isn't as vibrant as it was 30 and
40 years ago.
Outside of the conventionally accepted flow of information you will often get this kind of emotionally assertive response: "You read what!? Are you a terrorist? Do you want to
become a terrorist!?" :eek:
No. I just like to read everything published since the dawn of time. It goes along with being an archivist-historian. :)
The pattern of emotional reaction is akin to what I got in the 1970s when I was reading Mao and Che. Because the threat of Communist infiltration and war with Communism
was on-going in truth, people reacted emotionally to my reading Communist-authored writings, but I was an anti-Communist personally.
If the threat of terrorism was distant, people would be less emotional in how they filter the information, and less emotionally reactive to people who read details of those things
potentially related to terrorism. And you have to be honest with yourself, a lot of what is on Rogue Science (information) is dual use -- it can be used for good, or for evil.
What determines its end use is the motive of the actor (the motives of the person with the information).
I imagine that if we could look into the life of the guy who reportedly got arrested, we'd see he had other things going on, whereby there was a 1+1+1 building of behavior
and expression that led to the arrest.
Also, these web pages are retreivable on Google. In looking for information on recent jihadi publications, I found the thread I started on Rogue Science and it was readable with
the click of a button -- no membership to the Forum necessary. With that, you can imagine that our odd conversations about everything since the dawn of time are easily
monitored. And, considering the range of odd topics discussed on this website (and range of opinions), in the context of today's environment, Rogue Science would be
monitored by the Forces of Order anyway.
Technology gives the Security Services the ability to monitor websites like this one, and the War on Terrorism gives them the reason to do it. So, we're all probably on
someone's list. However, try to appreciate policemen and women, truthfully. Most are honest brokers who are trying to do an honest day's labor in the maintenance of good
order to the public good. How that conflicts with free thinking and vibrant discussion about everything under the sun -- that's where the tension we're so uncomfortable with
comes in.
We need to respect law enforcement, that is my personal opinion; and they need not to over-react to the pursuit of knowledge or to people expressing every odd position
(most of which I do not personally agree with, but the principles of freedom require me to be a good listener).
In saying that, there will always be a small percentage of people in the larger population who would misuse what is written on this forum, and that is why the rest of us are
probably already getting our (electronic) mail read. The horrible disregard for human life demonstrated by anti-West terrorists in the Madrid subway bombings, and then the
London subway bombings, force the hand of the Security Services to be more assertive in the collection of information.
No, I did not eat the Patriot Act like candy. It is offensive to every cell of my body. However, I do pragmatically understand the problem faced by police forces, and the tension
between pressing need and liberty. Long live the Bill of Rights, and let us work through our legal system to repeal the Patriot Act because it was an emotionally driven
document, but at the working level let's give better minded cops some credit because they are trying to prevent another Madrid.

They may try to prevent another Madrid or London bombing but the laws they are setting are ridiculous, such as banning liquids and gels on planes (we all know that the liquid
explosives terrorist plot was a scam). Focusing on the real threats would prove much more effective than what they have done.
mrtnira November 11th, 2006, 12:54 PM

Agreed, c.Tech. How things are done really does count.
The pendulum swings we observe (action-reaction) show that no matter how people try to get around it, these are really human institutions, run by people, and the policies
and actions that flow from them reflect that human quality of good effort and error at the same time.

They may try to prevent another Madrid or London bombing...Focusing on the real threats would prove much more effective than what they have done.
Terror Storm by Alex Jones (Google Video) is a 2 hour documentary/rant all about how such things as 9-11, Madrid, and London were 'inside jobs' by their own governments!
Alexires November 14th, 2006, 04:51 AM

I understand where you are coming from mrtnira, but when you are in a conflict with someone/something or there is a possibility that you may be in a conflict with someone/
something, any consideration other than for you and yours is detrimental to survival.
If a cop is going to bust me because of some bullshit law, I am not going to stand there and let them do it just because he is doing his job. Its like saying you should let
someone else's army invade your country just because they are doing their jobs.
Yes, there is a place for consideration, loving and kindness, but it ISN'T on the field of battle, whatever field that maybe.
In my experience, a lot of police are police because of a psychological need to control and to feel special.
Not many do it because they genuinely believe they are helping people.
Same with politicians really *grin*.
mrtnira November 14th, 2006, 10:12 AM

Alexires,
I appreciate you position. And, I appreciate having a place to freely dialog with others, regardless of our differing definitions. True freedom of expression includes the
responsibility to listen and to hear others.
Also, our perspectives are shaped by our life experiences. By sharing good experiences, we can encourage people not to be trapped where they had bad ones; and, conversely,
by hearing about bad experiences, we might not be unwise or naive. That's why I try to put my comments into a context. It helps others judge the relative value of that
comment, without it becoming an absolute position. Absolutes don't work well with human relations and power.

If a cop is going to bust me because of some bullshit law, I am not going to stand there and let them do it just because he is doing his job.
I see the point, but what else can you do other than attacking him or running? Both will have unpleasant consequences.
The same cop who arrests you for swearing 2 decibels above the limit is also the cop who arrests the kiddie fiddlin' junkie who robs old ladies. Ok, that's an extreme example,
but you get the idea :p .
Police don't make laws, politicians do. Blame them ;) .

Police don't make laws, politicians do. Blame them ;) .
The police are still ignorant to be enforcing a law which is bullshit, for the stupid laws (such as keeping both hands on the wheel at all times) the police should be making
judgment on how relevant the law is, Im sure turning on your sirens is more hazardous than letting someone drive whilst leaning their arm beside the window.
Terror Storm by Alex Jones (Google Video) is a 2 hour documentary/rant all about how such things as 9-11, Madrid, and London were 'inside jobs' by their own governments!
I watched the video, very good thanks for that nbk :), I recommend it to everybody.
Alexires November 19th, 2006, 08:00 PM

I didn't mean that it was an absolute.
For instance, I got a fine the other day for not having appropriate plates on my motorbike.
I let them give me that fine, but if instead it was going to be 10 years in maximum security, I wouldn't have stopped.
There is a time and a place. I was more saying that you need to judge whether it is better to let them bust you, or run.
Its your call.
But, if its a choice between spending the rest of my life in a maximum security hell hole, and hurting a cop, I'm gonna hurt the cop, no matter how "innocent' he is.
I do understand where you are coming from though.

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mrtnira Novem ber 10th, 2006, 07:00 PM

This document was electronically translated in 1998, using a Russian software. Th is accounts for its roughness. Today's
translation software p r o d u c e s a s m o o t h e r r e a d i n g d o c u m e n t .
It re flects security training from the 1980s, whe n Estonia was under the Soviet Union as a R epublic of the Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics (USSR ). In 1991, the USSR b r o k e a p a r t , a n d E s t o n i a a g a i n b e c a m e a s o v e r i g n n a t i o n . M a n y o f t h e R u s s i a n s
stayed, and form er security m en would have trouble finding em ploym ent in the new governm ent -- they were not ethnic
Estonians, th ey were Russians!
This created a m anpower pool for private security and for the m a f i a .
T h i s d o c u m e n t h a s l o t s o f g o o d i d e a s f o r p e r s o n a l a n d s m all business security, but it is dated. It refelcts state of the art 1980s
training and practice. As a basic docum ent for personal safety practice, there m a y b e s o m e g o o d i d e a s i n i t . O t h e r i d e a s y o u
m ight want to leave at home....
I wouldn't suggest pa cking heat, for exam ple. It depends where you are in the world, but for m ost of us, that would be an
im m ediate legal prob lem .
'http://rapidshare.com/files/2837940/Estonian_Security_Docume nt.doc.html'
W hen you read it, you will have to do some m ental editing. The translation is rough, and I never went back to edit the book.
The project was too large with other pressing life m atters at hand. Still, it is a fascinating read, and if you want to write accurate
action novels -- here's a role m o d e l .

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teshilo Novem ber 12th, 2006, 12:30 PM

I read few books by Minnery and decid e find info about author...And i cannt find in all net NOTHING:confused: :confused: Who
is th is :form er CIA operative ,professional bodyguard/security expert,forensic expert,m aster-arm orer or who?
List his books :
Improvised Modified Firearms: Deadly Homem ade Weapons
Kill W ithout Joy; The C omplete How to Kill Book
Fingertip Fire power: P e n G u n s , K n i v e s a n d B o m bs
CIA Catalog of Clandestine Weapons, Tools, and Gadgets
Lockpick gun s
How trapping and destructing armored cars
Firearm Silencers
Am erican Tools of Intrigue
I know only that now these m a n a r e d e a d : ( : (
random136 Novem ber 12th, 2006, 01:44 PM

tesh ilo, have you considered that Minn ery's nam e m ight just be a m ore subtle no m d e p l u m e . I m ean, "Strike" from the hive
truned out to be Hobart Huson and "Uncle Fester" turned out to be Steve Preisler.
Long ago, before knowing this I always suspected it might have been the forum's own nbk due to similarities in writing style
and general life story :p. However, further readings on the forum h a v e t a u g h t m e t h a t n b k h a s a m u c h d e e p e r i n s i g h t o n t h e
subjects covered then Fester.
At any rate, have you considered uploading/p2p-ing that collection of Minnery books? I have m any of them , but not all, and to
e n c o u r a g e y o u I w i l l b e g i n u p l o a d i n g w h a t I h a v e a s s o o n a s I f i n d s o m e tim e.
Also, I am curious. is your copy of 'Kill Without Joy" also m issing pages like all the other versions floating around here? I wo uld
really like to see a co mplete copy bein g distributed, unfortunatley I have n't been able to find anyone who still sells this book.
nbk2000 Novem ber 12th, 2006, 06:32 PM

As far as I know, John Minnerys' real n a m e W A S J o h n M i n n e r y .
I've never heard of it being an alias.
And while doing som e searching on the subject, I found this:
T h e r e a r e s o m e p e o p l e t h a t a re blatantly ripping Paladin Press off online, scanning and copying books.
:D
megalomania Novem ber 13th, 2006, 11:33 AM

W h y s h o u l d p a l a d i n P r e s s c a r e i f t h e i r b o o k s a r e b e i n g s c a n n e d a n d s p r e a d ? T h e y a r e t h e ones who pulled the titles off their
shelves and allowed censorship to occur. Besides, half of their books are barely worth the paper they are printed on.
I s u p p o s e i f J o h n M i n nery is som e s o r t o f p r o f e s s i o n a l e x f e d e r a l a g e n t t y p e h e s h o u l d b e f a i r l y g o o d a t k e e p i n g h i s r e a l
n a m e s e p a r a t e d f r o m his nom d e p l u m e .
Hirudinea Novem ber 13th, 2006, 09:47 PM

tesh ilo, have you considered that Minn ery's nam e m ight just be a m ore subtle no m d e p l u m e . I m ean, "Strike" from the hive
truned out to be Hobart Huson and "Uncle Fester" turned out to be Steve Preisler.
And although I don't know the authors real name "Hitman" was written, under the nam e R ex Feral, by a Florida housewife.
B e s i d e s , h a l f o f their b o o k s are barely worth the paper t h e y a r e p r i n t e d o n .
Y e s , b e a u s e t h e y b u y f r o m , am ong others, Florida housewives, if it looks good, they'll publish it, b ullshit or not, so cavaet
e m ptor.
Charlie Workman Novem ber 14th, 2006, 03:05 AM

That was his real nam e. I was lucky enough to count him a s o n e o f m y friends for about three years, before his untimely death
in 1993. That said, I was never quite sure what the extent of his backgro und was. CIA con tract was one of the things I heard,
as well as C anadian intell. He was on the first com m erical C anadian flight into Cuba as a "tourist", after they lifted their travel
b a n . H e o w n e d a n A W ESOME collection of toys. When he died he was a well respected lock sm ith in a sm all Canadian town, with
a f a m ily. He was a hell of a m a n a n d i s m i s s e d by all who knew him.
As for Paladin, they p ussied out after they caved on the Hitm an case. Their insurance com pany told them it would be cheaper
to settle the case than take it to a higher court, even if they did have an excellen t chance of winning. A pure business decision
and a bad precedent. They have had no really decent books in the last 10 years, except for a hand full of truly excellent
silencer books.

How trapping and destructing armored cars
Firearm Silencers
Am erican Tools of Intrigue
T h e s e b o o k s p u b l i s h e d b y D e s e r t P u b l i c a t i o n s . T h a n k s f o r a l i t t l e info Charlie.
Y e s , P a l a d i n P r e s s p u b l i s h e d o n l y h 2 h a n d m atial arts Not reprin t g o o d o l d b o o k s .
megalomania Novem ber 14th, 2006, 06:34 PM

I was checking som e o f t h e p u b l i c a t i o n d a t e s f o r p a l a d i n b o o k s y e s t e r d a y a n d I o b s e r v e d t h a t t h e r e r e a l l y h a s n o t b e e n a n y
e x p l o s i v e b o o k s t o h i t t h e s c e n e i n a d e c a d e . M o s t o f t h e m are from the 80s and early 90s.
This actually follows a general precedent because the US governm e n t h a s p u b l i s h ed a study mentioning the sharp decline in
rese arch and develop ment of new explosives in the past 10 years. Such things do work in cycles, b ut they are getting nervous
because there are very few renowned explosive s chemists that they are getting closer to retirement, but there is no young
bloo d to fill their shoes.
It is unfortunate that no one has written an explosives book geared to the general public that actu ally contains a
comprehensive and in depth (and accurate) look at how to m ake and use explosives. BAH! I think you would get more practical
info from a book written for fa rm ers in 1906 than a Paladin book written in 2006.
Charlie Workman Novem ber 16th, 2006, 02:58 AM

M o s t o f w h a t e x p l o s i v e s b o o k s P a l a d i n put out were crap anyway. Not all by any m e a n s , b u t m ost. Anything by Seym o u r
Lercker, for instance. He was their explosives TECHNICAL EDITOR for a while. Ain't that a hoot! Some of their best stuff cam e
out in the late 70's- early 80's. My all tim e favorite was the "O S S s a b o t a g e a n d D e m olitions m anual". I still consider it to be
t h e b e s t s i n g l e b o o k o n e x p l o sives work I've ever read. I tried to talk them into reprinting it in the early 90 's under the prop er
title, but they were uninterested. It was not a O SS m anual. It wa s straigh t CIA paramilitary. Som e item s in there, the 3.5"
bazooka rocket, for instance, were not fielded until the early 50's. I place the manual at a bout late 50's. Also, the illustrations
and basic layout are in the som ewhat unique style the Com pany used. It is very easy to spot.

My all tim e favorite was the "OSS sabo t a g e a n d D e m o l i t i o n s m a n u a l " . - G i d g e t
A b o u t " O S S d e m olitio n a n d s a b o t a g e m a n u a l " I w a n t o b t a i n t h e s e b o o k m ore then two ye ar:) :) You can scan this?
Jacks Complete Novem ber 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM

If th e US are concerned about there being no-one to continue the fine traditions of blowing shit up, we only have to look at the
reason! We all know that chemistry is evil, and that you are only m aking crack/brewing illegal alcohol/m aking nitro/m a k i n g
nerve gases, right?
Even before the W arT, chemistry was vilified. Now, owning glassware is illegal, making a firecracker is illegal. So whe re are th e
new types going to come from ?
And, since you won't get a gre at job with a record, they are doub ly fucked when it com es to recruitment, since those genuinely
interested will probably be fou nd to be pyros, a nd hence likely to have had run-in s with the law.

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DyeVad Novem ber 14th, 2006, 09:20 PM

'http://www.d ailym otion.com /video/xg078_robot-sentinella'
Robot sentinella
Uploaded by Alice_in_Wonderland
The robots will go on sale by 2007 for $ 200,000 and will be dep loyed on the border between North and South Korea.
Y o u m a k e m e laugh. I wonder if they'll m ake ones you can put on top of a car, plane, ect. and drive around with them
s h o o t i n g a t p e o p l e . T hen you could ho ok the car up online with a satellite transmitter and have it controlled by some kid
t h i n k i n g h e ' s p l a y i n g a v i d e o g a m e like in the m ovie Toys.
S o t o c o m b a t t h e s e y o u ' d n e e d like high distance electrom a g n e t s i g n a t u r e g o g g l e s a n d E M P c o m p u t e r g u i d ed rocke t g r e n a d e s .

I s s o m ething like tha t in existence? If not I will be project mana g e r o n t h a t t e a m . I g u e s s y o u c o u ld just get a sniper laser or
high density rail gun to take them out, but you'd still need the goggles to see where they where first. Or I guess you could just
g e t a c o o l e d e n v i r o n m e n t a l c h a m e l e o n s u i t s i n c e t h e g u n s e e m s to work off heat and m o v e m ent.. m aybe you could just dre ss
a s a tree (ha) since it says it can tell the difference between a hum a n a n d tree.

I d o n t think there is much left in the DMZ between the two countries. It probably just s h o o t s a n y t h i n g t h a t m o v e s E D 2 0 9
f a s h ion
"You are illegally parked on private property. You have 20 seconds to com ply."
There is actu ally something called Rob oguard that cam e out in 2000 that is an autom atic gun toting robot that can even be
controlled via t h e I n t e r n e t . Y i k e s

A high powered laser or high density railgun? W hy not just use a paintball gun to blind it, then stro ll past? Or point a microwave
oven at it.
It can easily tell the difference between a hum an and a tree. The tree was there two hours ago, in the same place, it's cold,
and that's about it. Hum a n s a re warm a n d m ove. Of course, you could easily put a board between you and it to hide your heat,
then just stroll up to it if there is no se nsor fusion.
DeathBlade Novem ber 15th, 2006, 09:25 PM

From l o o k i n g a t t h e v i d e o , i t s e e m s t h a t i t u s e s t h e r m a l a n d v i d e o c a m e r a s , t h e r m al to detect heat(people / a n i m a l s ) a n d t h e
video to track motion, by comparing changes inbetween fram es. Kind of like these guys that m ade a airsoft version.
'http://www.h a c k a d a y . c o m / e n t r y / 1 2 3 4 0 0 0 4 2 7 0 5 9 7 6 0 / # c o m m ents'
Core Novem ber 21st, 2006 , 12:26 PM

If you want to block heat, use glass. Mythbusters did a show where they tried to fool an infrared ca m e r a a n d b y p l a c i n g a p i e c e
of glass in front of the camera lens it block all IR wavelengths it was designed to protect.
Deathblade: I ran across that too and also a paintball version

'http://codeninja.de/autosentry/'

Anything will do that. It's not just glass, anything thicker than the wavelength of the radiation you want to b lock, and non-
transparent, will block. The be tter it insulates the better, howeve r, as it takes longer for th e heat to transmit through it.
You can also do a neat trick with a bit of glass, and reflect the sun or cold sky at the target, so you seem very different
temperatures rather suddenly. Anything with any m achine logic would pro bably think that somethin g going from 3 0 0 0 d e g r e e s
C to -50 C is a mistake if it was simply blinding the sensor but slowly.

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Red Beret Novem ber 15th, 2006, 07:05 AM

W hen the m ilitary "decomm isions" a particular piece of hardwear, be it vehicle, weapon, or otherwise, I have been told they
bury these item s.
I know this b ecause, firstly, th e do not give old gear to the reserves, and it is not sold off. Som etim es it is stored in m a s s i v e
warehouses but this takes up resources, and space. I have also been told by two arm y m ates that this (burying old stuff) is
fairly com m o n. They don't bury am m o o r e x p l o sives, and what have you. But rifle s, tanks, m ortars, jeeps, field artilley, is the
sort of stuff they "dum p".
This brings a num b e r o f q u e s t i o n s t o m i n d ;

1 . I f y o u f o u n d t h e s e d u m p sites, how risky would it be to recover item s.
2. W ould it b e worth it.
3. Could you transport and actually store the gear.
I think, realistically, only sm all arm s would be worthwhile in taking. That is, if you can get the amm o . T a n k s , 1 0 5 m m g u n s ,
reccoiless rifles would be too bulky, plus you co uld'nt really get the am m o t o u s e i n t h e s e i t e m s .
S o m e sites are near barracks, which ru les them out. But others, including a large WW 2 US and Australian stockpile, are not.
T h e s e w o u l d b e t h e o nes to focus on. You cannot expect to find these easily though, the locations that I have been told of
aren't pinpoint, and you can e xpect them to be buried deep. Occaisionly, diesel is poured onto the caches and ignited before
burial. This is no real concern.
Cases in the past have exsisted, where people have "stumbled" on these sites and been busted selling hardwear. Some W W2
h o m eguard sites exist, and these would m ainly contain amm o (.303, m a y b e m ortar) gren a d e s , a n d m a y b e e x p l o s i v e s .
O n e w o u l d n e e d a t e a m , a n d a t l e a s t s o m e technical gear to locate the sites. Oh yeah, and som eone to actually tell them
where the sites are. :rolleyes:
T h e r e a s o n a l l t h i s h a s b e e n o n m y m i n d , i s t h a t t h e A u s t r a l i a n a r m y has recently taken the M-79 out of service. I m a d e s o m e

enquiries, with m a t e s , a n d h e a r d a b o u t all this business. Have any of you heard of such things? I will be looking into this
m atter intensely.
sparkchaser Novem ber 15th, 2006, 07:45 AM

I don't know about th e Australian arm y, but the U .S. arm y takes all of the obsolete/worn out equipment an d "demil"s it. After
t h e s t u f f h a s b e e n d e m i l l e d , t h e y t a k e it to DRMO who sells it at auction to the public in giant lots.
Nothing that is hazardous is whole by the tim e it goes to auction . Machine gun ba rrels are cut through the chamber etc. Usually
the only thing that this stuff is good fo r is recycling/scrap.
About the on ly good things yo u can ge t out of these auctions are old vehicles that are beaten up pretty badly but still run, and
engine blocks that can be rebuilt. You can sometim es find obsolete electronics, such as printers and the lik e, but who wants to
buy a pallet of junked laser printers that weigh 40 pounds each?
FragmentedSanity Novem ber 15th, 2006, 08:53 AM

I h a v e h e a r d sim ilar tales, but cant personally verify it. So m ayb e there is something to it, or maybe its just a bit of Aussie
folklore? But the old tim ers in the town I grew up in swore that old jeeps, m otorbikes and various other military gear was buried
under the footy field.
I'd love to find som e sites like that, but as you said the problem would be finding som eone who knew the info and wanted to
pass it on.

I h a v e s e e n s o m e U S m ilitary auctions where they sell surplus m ilitary goods, but only for scrap. They sell the stuff to certified
recyclers and m ake sure it gets scrapped. A naval warship cam e up for auction a few years ago; a steal at $1 million, but you
had to scrap it com pletly :( Probably $10 million in useful m etal, but all from a $ 1 0 0 m i l l i o n s h i p . T h o s e m e t a l s c r a p d e a l e r s
m a k e o u t l i k e b a n d i t s ( m any are mob owned...)
Bert Novem ber 15th, 2006, 05:08 PM

The average profit from scrapping a large ocean vessel is said to be around US $1.9 million.
Ship b r e a k i n g i s a h a r d , d a n g e r o u s a n d e n v i r o n m entally dirty task. If done in the US, the overhead for environmental cleanup,
insurance & etc. is insane- So most such work is done in Asia som ewhere that the se considerations can be largely ignored, a n d
the price of a workm an's life or local contam ina t i o n c a n b e a b a t e d b y p a y m e n t s t o t h e r i g h t p e o p l e . C h i n a , I n d i a a n d
Bangladesh are the centers currently- Lots of heavy metals, hexavalent chrom ium , asbestos, chlorinated organic toxins and
other goodies coming off those ships!
Red Beret Novem ber 15th, 2006, 06:56 PM

O K , I ' v e b e e n a s k i n g p e o p l e I k n o w , a nd have cam e up with two sites. One is WW 2 a n d i s a m o u n tain com plex, vents etc are
barred and welded up. It's public knowlege basically.
The other is m ore recent and is basically buried m etres below. I have pinpoint location on the W W2 site, but not the other one.
T h e W W 2 site is about 8hrs from me, so I won't be checking it out anytime soon. The other is abo ut 4hrs away, but I don't
have the exact location for it. Anyone interested may PM me. It would be worthwh ile looking into.

A m a g n e t o m eter will find them , if they are there. You can build one easily, the instructions are available online. Getting it to
work whilst walking might be a bit tricky, though. That m uch buried m etal should be trivial for even just a com p a s s , t h o u g h .
Your m agnetic north will go crazy, even with feet of earth betwee n you and the "deposit".

Through the years, m a n y t h o u s a n d s o f w e a p o n s have b e e n d u m p e d a t s e a . W W II- era weapons went by way of this, for some
of them.
Also, illegal gam ing devices and slot m achines, just to nam e two.
S o m etimes within sight of land, but I suspect with GPS so readily available, this has mostly stopped.
Much easier to dum p at sea, than to f with digging/ securing sites where stuff is b uried, I would think.

The issue with dum ping at sea is that divers find them, and the green lobby gets really upset about all the nasty shit that
l e a k s out.
Trashing them with power tools then dum ping in a hole then burning and burying kills 95% of things.
c.Tech Novem ber 18th, 2006, 07:15 PM

Dive rs cant find them if they a r e dum p e d i n t o t h e d e e p d a r k o c e a n d e p ths. May b e t h a t s wh e r e t h e y dum p t h e m .
Storm on the Horizon Novem ber 18th, 2006, 09:53 PM

I know this b ecause, firstly, th e do not give old gear to the reserves, and it is not sold off. Som etim es it is stored in m a s s i v e
warehouses but this takes up resources, and space. I have also been told by two arm y m ates that this (burying old stuff) is
fairly com m o n. They don't bury am m o o r e x p l o sives, and what have you. But rifle s, tanks, m ortars, jeeps, field artilley, is the
sort of stuff they "dum p".
I know for a fact that (as of 1999) R egular Arm y arms were transfered to Reserve units. That year the 10th Mountain Division
was phasing out M16A2's for M4's. Representatives from a R e s e r v e u n i t s h o w e d u p i n o u r C o m p a n y a r m s room escorted by
other 10th Mtn personel. The unit armorer and myself read off the A2's serial numbers wh ich were marked off and confirm e d
by m y C.O . a n d t h e R e s e r v e u n i t s C . O . T h e M 1 6s were then packed up a nd driven somewhere else on post where they were to
be rechecked and shipped out. Everything that occured was "kosher" and I'm sure wasn't/isn't the only tim e that it has occured.
The M60 was also being replaced by the M240 around that year. I was told that the sam e thing occured tho ugh I wa sn't
present to witness that transfer.
shooter3 Novem ber 26th, 2006, 11:35 PM

I rem ember reading in an old "Cruising World", A yacht was cruising in th e C a r o l i n a I s l a n d s, and was in a real secluded place,
a s m all atoll of about 10 acres was covered, shore to shore with parked "P-38"s".
At the end of W W-2 the Captains of cargo ships were to ld to dump there cargos of equipm ent, to m ake room for returning
solders. Apparently, one C aptain could n't bare to just dum p t h e s e p l a n e s i n t o t h e o c e a n a n d i n s t e a d o f f l o a d e d t h e m onto this
Island. They were still there, bright and shiny, in 1985! That would be som e v a l u b l e s a l v a g e !
Ksmith Novem ber 27th, 2006, 03:07 AM

I've heard of several instances where in the US people found m achine guns buryed/uncovered, things like .50 caliber M2's,
m ortars, grenades and whatnot, most com mon(its rare to find them allto gether) are M60's and other small m a c h i n e g u n s .
Most are so rusted that their innoperable.
I rem e m b e r a b u d d y o f m i n e s a i d w h e n h e w a s i n t h e a r m y he found a crashed plane which still had 8 .50 caliber M2's still
l o a d ed with 1947 am m o in pristine condition, barely even rusted , he told his comm a n d e r t h o u g h .

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I'm not sure if this belongs here, I put it here because I think this subject eventually boils dow n to opinion.
Let's say some mother fucker gets into your home. You reach for your machette, pistol, Taser etc, and w hen you attack the intruder, he dies as a result. You didn't set out to kill
him, it was an accident;) , but now what do you do? You have a corpse on your hands, and the weapon you used to defend yourself, may be illegal.
Personally I w ould dispose of the body, w ithout bringing the piggies into it, as they w ill try and put you behind bars. But then, you have complications. People in your house may
not be able to handle that, and nieghbours may have heard suspect noises during the incident.
I guess it all boils down to your ow n circumstances. If you live alone (lucky bastard), it's basically up to you. If you didn't use an illegal w eapon, and you think the neighbours
have heard noises, calling the piggies may be a better option. But if you choose to deal w ith it yourself (what I w ould prefer), you may gain a w eapon that the stiff was
carrying, MAYBE some ID to toy with or something, and you will certainly learn a thing or two about body disposal, a usefull skill.
So I say, if you can, take it as a learning experience, and DIY.:D
Body disposal is, in my opinion, a very useful skill to have.
megalomania November 15th, 2006, 03:22 PM

This can be a tricky situation because you are either a hero or a criminal depending on the whims of your country/state/city/judge. Technically you should be in the right, but we
all know the democrats make civilians who defend themselves into criminals and criminals into victims.
Consider if you do try to hide the crime, and you are likely to be found out, you WILL be seen as the criminal, even if you w ere justified in the killing or not.
Your best bet is to get an attorney, and support system in place BEFORE bringing in the cops. Remember, the dead tell no tales, so every w ord out of your mouth had better be
about how this CRIMINAL CHILD RAPING MURDERER came to gay rape and kill your family. Always refer to him as a vile criminal, every comment, every comment, every
comment. He cant defend himself against the defamation, truth though it probably is, because he is dead. He aint talkin.
You may have used an illegal weapon, but thats because you took it off of him. Whats that? He didnt deny the charge. Failure to answer w ill be seen as admission of guilt.
What you should learn then is how to get your fingerprints and DNA off of the weapon, get his on it, and have a damn good story w hy your fingerprints were on the w eapon if
they find any.
You have to come across as the victim in this at every turn. You are the wronged party after all. Dont let the cops or the media try to spin this the other way and paint you as
some sort of criminal. Never talk to the cops w ithout an attorney. Tell them you are too traumatized to speak to give you time to get one. You were almost gay sodomized and
killed by the child raping gay raping serial killer hopped up on what seemed like a bunch of drugs. A decent law abiding citizen forced to defend the lives of innocent children in
your neighborhood will naturally be distraught.
Corona November 15th, 2006, 03:52 PM

OK... w hat if the guy or guys you killed... turn out to be Pigs?
Fellow shot dead an intruder (intruder-buddies ran away). He called the cops. Cops said, you killed an officer (moonlighting as a crook obviously). Even had piggy ID in his
pocket.
What saved this person? He had cameras installed inside and outside and he had recorded the encounter. Smart!
With cameras so small, if at all possible, record everything. Mount a cheap w ireless camera on your gun... a gun-camera, like on a fighter-aircraft. Base unit recorder can be
nearby or elsewhere on your person.
And Mega is right. Lawyers are your best friend.
Red Beret:
About body disposal.... is it practical to wash someone down the drain? Cut them up and dissolve? Acid or Lye?
Hirudinea November 15th, 2006, 04:53 PM

gay rape
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BZZZZZT, Homophobe alert, do not collect liberal sympathy, go directly to jail.
About body disposal.... is it practical to wash someone down the drain? Cut them up and dissolve? Acid or Lye?
Thats a interesting question, the "body" is just meat, butcher the body, cut up the meat and dry it into "People Jerky", then just toss it around it the w oods, ravines, etc...
wherever hungry wild animals roam. (Drying the meat should make a DNA sample untennible), the major problem would be the bones, if they could be dried and pulverized
they could be spread around fairly easily.
Match November 15th, 2006, 05:24 PM

Mega is right, as long as you are portrayed as the victim you will get off. A jury w ill always side w ith who they believe is the victim.
Does anybody remember the case a couple years back w here a man on the subw ay in NYC shot 4 niggers because he thought they were going to mug him? He served 6
months..
Or how about the man who shot a man who raped his prepubescent son? The whole event was caught on news camaras, the man got probation on a weapons violation.
It also depends on where you live, for example, a man in louisiana shot dead a lost japanese exchange student on helloween who w as tresspassing on his property (suburbia).
The student apparently didn't understand him and kept approaching. The man didn't serve one day in prison. This caused a huge outrage in anti-gun Japan and I think there
was a petition with over 1 million signatures on it.
The biggest concern I have is for the SWAT teams that the police love to use. There's been a huge influx in their use and they have been given increasing more pow er. There is
nothing you can do within the law to protect yourselfs from them.
Scans from a recent article in playboy.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e35/malix12/908_1.jpg
More info on Hudson vs Michigan -

http://ww w.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-1360.ZS.html
http://en.w ikipedia.org/w iki/Hudson_vs._michigan
(Fixed links - JC)

'http://ww w.roguesci.org/theforum/tools-techniques-plans/2761-auto-cremation-archive-file.html'
An oldy, but a goody, by me. :D

Thinking ahead w ill triple your chances of walking.
Acquire and keep hidden "within reach", a "throw away".
The intruder thus becomes armed with a deadly weapon. A w eapon with which he placed you in fear of death or severe bodily harm.
Don t incinerate a person in a dumpster with petrol, som e guy tried that, had blood all over his car but the body's DNA was too damaged to do any sort of m atch. That was until th e y
took a tooth and got the DNA from its core.
My best bet would be the acid/lye trick on the flesh and good old thermite on the teeth/bones/cartilage or maybe just a furnace.
Now even if there is blood all over you and your house there is no way to match it. Unless the crim w as a blood donor, not a likely chance of that.

NBK's idea seems like the best. It's cheap, easy, and effective. If you're really desperate to leave no trace at all, then dissolve the ashes into hydrochloric acid and pour them
into a river. No trace left at all.
Stone_Faces November 17th, 2006, 10:13 PM

If you decide to keep it a secret and not put yourself in the hands of the law then it w ould be unwise to keep anything that the person had. (i.e. clothes, weapons, or anything
that could somehow be linked back to the corpse.)
Would it be feasible using a thermite like mixture since the high tempratures would cause the body to turn to carbon. (not that there would many traces left except a slag pile,
and any dna or other features usable for identification would be destroyed.)

DING! DING! DING! DING!
We have another n00bie Thermite winner! :D
I was soooo tempted to delete and ban, but I thought it amusing. :p
How many kilos of Thermite w ould it take to boil away 50 kilos of water, and vaporize 20 kilos of carbon?
And even if it was just bones, remember that it's not just a matter of temperature, but time at that temperature, as bones are porous and filled with fatty tissue, thus insulated.

Crush up the bones first? Although if you wanted to destroy the DNA through incineration you could just throw it in a homemade furnace, much simpler than finding the stocks of
powdered Al needed to burn them away.
If your in no hurry to get rid of the body why not put som e use to it, if youve got a hungry dog why waste precious meat on incineration?
You could hack up the body and throw it in your fridge/freezer feeding your dog daily (and cutting the cost of dog food) but feeding the bones to the dog isnt a good idea since it w ould
probably just bury them (not good to have human bones in your backyard).

NBK, just read your human cremation article, fascinating indeed.
This topic has turned out some good ideas, various methods could be used to dispose of the corpse. I think the "self sustaining cremation" w ould be ideal, but maybe if you
were in a hurry, you could store the body somewhere until you could carry this out. Not ideal, but these situations never are.
The main problem I can see, is getting the TASER. They are out there, but are rare compared to handguns and such. If genuine schematics for a TASER could be had, you may
be able to get an electronics techie to make one. Then there is the method of ordering one to an anonymous adress, which has proven (to me at least) very difficult. I guess
one could make a capacitor bank with lethal voltages, a quick touch and they're dead.
I still desperately want a real TASER though, for other purposes...:rolleyes:
I have read that a powerfull cattle prod can make someone pass out, but I've tried mine (on myself) and saw no indication that this would happen. I must try a more pow erfull
one though. There's too many variables w ith cattle prods though, and one must remember, they weren't made to incapactitate.
DrBones666 November 18th, 2006, 10:54 AM

Acquire and keep hidden "within reach", a "throw away".
The intruder thus becomes armed with a deadly weapon.
Don't forget to take a moment to put his finger prints on the shells too. If you fire a shot off make sure there is powder residue on HIS hand and arm not yours. This could get
really complicated.
knowledgehungry November 27th, 2006, 03:00 AM

That's why a knife is better than a gun to place on the body IMHO. All you need is to get his finger prints on the knife.
With a gun on the body the police are going to do some investigating into the background of the weapon, w hich could come back to you(unlikely if you are careful about getting
the weapon), or raise questions about the likelihood of the w eapon belonging to the stiff. Plus knives are cheaper, and are always going to be laying around in the house for
quick and easy planting.
Hitech_Hillbilly November 28th, 2006, 05:59 PM

Mega's advice is very good. Listen to it. As someone w ho has been in the very scenario you describe, I can vouch for it.
The one thing in your scenario (and mine, if I had it to do over) is keep a legal w eapon handy, and use that if needed. Also, be sure to kill the intruder. It's actually better to
deal have a dead intruder than a w ounded "victim" w ho will sue your ass off even if you win the criminal trial.
Very first thing (after making sure the piece of shit is dead), call 911 and ask for an ambulance. You want it to seem you are actually concerned about the fuck and actually
want him to live. Only then ask them to send the police.
Don t talk to the police, other than to say Someone broke into my house, and I w as afraid for my life. I w as protecting myself and my fam ily. I want a lawyer.
Then, get a lawyer. The best lawyer you can afford. And DO expect to be charged w ith 1st degree murder. Get a haircut (short), shave (clean), and try to look as young, innocent, and
helpless as possible at trial (even if you re actually the son of s atan). Lose w eight if you can before the trial (to look weak as pos sible), or (if you are already overweight) gain so much
weight and go to the doctor that he w ill say physical exertion will cause your heart to explode.
And if you do get off, plan on being broke for the next 10 years, paying off your damn lawyer.
reamio December 6th, 2006, 09:20 AM

I have a very deep well on my property which I use for w atering my veggie garden. Any intruders would surely finish up deep-sixed down there - preferably with some weights
chained to their ankles to keep them at the bottom.
Who knows, maybe the water quality would be improved with some rotting IRS inspector's corpse in it :eek:
Next year's cannabis yield is looking better already :D
Exothermic December 21st, 2006, 03:27 PM

Handing yourself in claiming it is self defence in the U.K is a bad idea. There was a story a w hile back, there was an old bloke w ho lived on a isolated farm. A group of two
youths broke in, the old man woke up walked dow n stairs with his shotgun, saw one of the youths trying to climb through the w indow and shot him in the back, killing him.
The main downfall for the old man was that he had caught the kid in the back, w hich in court will show everyone that the victim was either not looking tow ards you at the time
or was running away, thus meaning he was not attacking you.
I believe the old man got a life sentence (about 30 years).
What you should do if you have killed a person, depends on w hat area you live in.
Urban area-If you shot them then most likely people heard the gunshot and if the person broke in, then neighbors may have heard this and may have seen the criminal go in
and w ill be sucpicous w hen he never comes out again.
Also if the person is w ell know n in the area, then you have a problem because it means people w ill wonder w here he is.
Rural areas- Anything goes.
mike16 December 22nd, 2006, 03:16 PM

Exothermic- Good point, I think most people in their right mind shoud not hand themselves in to the pigs here in the UK, claiming self defence, since self defence does not exist
here, legally. :mad:
I live in a small tow n surrounded by fields and woods, so if I had a body to dispose of, I've got lots of choice in where to bury it.:)
Pollsmoor December 22nd, 2006, 05:12 PM

Thinking ahead w ill triple your chances of walking.
This, I think, is crucial.
Once you're in the dw ang, it's too late.
You hafta scheme things in advance. If that involves digging large holes around your property, or keeping pigs, whatever, don't wait until you're surprised and then try to BS
your way out of it, you're dead already.
'nuff said.
If you have some spare time, and are this way inclined, go read "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross, which can be had from Amazon or for dow nload from a website w ith
"firing" and "line" in the URL -- I would recommend the Amazon version 'cos reading a website in the bath or on the loo is downright... difficult...
tmp December 22nd, 2006, 06:30 PM

Having already been through a similar situation, what Mega stated is
absolutely right. In my case, I did some jail time because the fucking
Democrat judge found me guilty of a handgun violation. The gun was
legal but carrying it anywhere isn't. Maryland's elite are the only civlians
who are granted carry permits. Exothermic, the farmer you refer to is
Tony Martin. After some loud protest he w as released from prison after
3 years but he's financially ruined and the British government is actually
assisting the surviving robbers, and the families of the dead robbers, in
their lawsuit against him. The shotgun he used is also illegal in Britain.
Maryland politicians - kakistocrats hard at work !
Jacks Complete December 23rd, 2006, 09:40 PM

Well, nearly. Tony Martin w as declared mentally incompetant, in order to be released from jail early, on a technicality. It was a shitty verdict. Three scallies came all the way out
to his farm, two broke in, and he was alone. They painted dark pictures of him at trial, and they made out it was pre-meditated because he had broken the first rule, w hich w as
he had stated that he would kill the next burglar, as he had been burglarised over 30 times! He had also set traps, w hich didn't help, and looked like a loony. Plus the shotgun
was "left by a well-wisher".
If the police had bothered doing a search for the criminals, the guy wouldn't have died, likew ise if the other shot pikey hadn't abandoned his mate and left him to die, it
wouldn't have been murder, just wounding. And he refused to admit he w as wrong, so the parole board would have kept him in forever - it's a fact that murder is an automatic
life sentence, and you have to admit you were wrong to kill to be released on license, so anyone innocent w ho refuses to admit it will never be free!
As for self-defence, w ell, it is a legal defence, but you are not legally allowed to own anything, nor prepare anything, to help in that defence. The concept of "immediate
arming" is the one used. You can run them through w ith a knife you were using to garden w ith, but having a knife by the door is a crime!

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W ell- I m ust say, things here look..... Diferent.
W as an Ohio alumnus having an enjoyable weekend, and felt like shareing?
Or h as the forum b e e n h a c k e d ?
And why won't these strum pets write just a bit "lower case".
Desmikes Novem ber 19th, 2006, 01:12 AM

T h i s m u s t b e o n e o f s i t e m o d s b e i n g o v e r l y s t i m ulated. I doubt that an outsider would hack this forum just to put up some
pics. Not that I want to see m ore pictures posted all over the forum , but the blonde (2nd from the left) has an enorm o u s a s s
: ) , h e r a s s c l e a v a g e r e m i n d s m e of m y e x . I h o p e t h a t s h e i s d o i n g s h a m eless self prom otion -Fragm entedSanity and that I
will someday m ake it to Ohio. The picture of 3 ugly ones has to disappear.

I hope the third one from the left is named Michigan ;) "Fuck Michigan"
I personally would love to see m ore pictures random ly posted in the forum
The picture of 2 ugly ones has to disappear.

Y o u b e t t e r h o p e o n e o f t h e m o d s d o e s n t w r i t e b a c k s a y i n g " T h a t s m y girlfriend/wife :m a d : " : p
EDIT: The 2 top pictures are from 2005 + 2003 .
PlayDough Novem ber 19th, 2006, 02:40 AM

This really stinks of website defacem ent.
Skean Dhu Novem ber 19th, 2006, 03:07 AM

They didn't even form at the pictures to scale to fit in m y bowser window, everything is all stretched out.....thats the really
annoying part.
simply RED Novem ber 19th, 2006, 06:03 AM

Very nice to post pictures of girls, but in defined section. In the front of every page is very anoying .
Chris The Great Novem ber 19th, 2006, 06:10 AM

W ho is Ann Arbor? (and how m uch doe s she charge per hour?)
;)

I h a d s i m ilar thoughts Chris, I was kinda hoping it was sham e l e s s s e l f p r o m o t i o n ; )
It'll be intere sting to see how long it la sts. Or m aybe we can get a different set of trashy college girls every month and m a k e a
Girls of Rogu e Science calander.
Corona Novem ber 19th, 2006, 10:02 AM

W hat...???
Thank you all..! I thought it was just m e that was seeing this on EVERY webpage. I feel slightly better... but only slightly.
Very very irritating, th is... whatever this is. Wha t Skean-Dhu said.... the pics are off-scale... have to scroll sideways to read
every dam n line.
And WHO are these people???
Maybe this isn't a hack? Maybe Mega, NBK, etc. are conducting an experim ent... seeing how everyone reacts?
Cobalt.45 Novem ber 19th, 2006, 10:25 AM

Maybe this isn't a hack? Maybe Mega, NBK, etc. are conducting an experim ent... seeing how everyone reacts?
R e a c t i o n : e m barrassm ent for whoever wasted their tim e with such an amateurish attempt at hacking the site...
And I'd bet a thousand that the m ods or administrator aren't behind it.

It's kind of p ointless for them to suggest fucking Michig an... I've been there, it's allread pretty mu ch fucked.
Sounds like we have a bunch of Michigan assholes bitch ing and whining about W H A T I D O T O M Y O W N FUCKING WEBSITE!
The pictures are form atted for MY screen, thank you very m uch.
I do know a few of those gals, so tread carefully!
I W ENT TO O SU! And we beat those Michigan bastards in the big gam e yesterday, yea!
I wa s feeling celebratory, excuse m e for ruining your w e e k e n d s : D I ll take it down once I s o b e r u p . :D
By the way, I m ight be in one of those pictures. Here's a clue, I'm the guy in the O SU hat :)
Gerbil Novem ber 19th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Any chance of a "W h e r e ' s M e g a ? " c o m p e t i t i o n ? : p
billybobjoe Novem ber 19th, 2006, 06:52 PM

Hey cobalt, fork it over. $$$

T h a n k s , M e g a . R e m e mber to take a goodly dose of B vitamins and drink plenty of water before retiring for the evening...

Hey cobalt, fork it over. $$$
Sure shit the bed on this one...:o

Awwww the pics are gone :(, I wanted to play spot mega .
And the pictures of th ose girls were m aking the forum a bit more interesting than usual.
Match Novem ber 20th, 2006, 11:26 AM

good to know that this board has a not so serious side. t'was enjoyable.
knowledgehungry Novem ber 20th, 2006, 01:54 PM

C o n g r a t u l a t i o n s M e g a , m y dad is a big O S U f a n t o o . Y o u h a v e e ven m ore reason to celebrate, since Michigan still holds the
n u m ber 2 rank, O SU has a chance to beat Mich igan twice in one year, the second time being in the cham p i o n s h i p g a m e :D.

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azaleaem November 20th, 2006, 10:11 AM

Does anyone have any experience with poison used on the former KGB agent? It's probably thallium sulfate. The russians look
like they're going after people.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=232925370&p=z3z9z6y85&n=232926256&x=

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6165836.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6165836.stm
Recent update from the BBC.
In the end, though, we all have no idea what's actually going on here.

...confirmed that a large dose of polonium-210
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/24/uk.spypoisoned/index.html#

Police head for Russia amid doubts over 'lone poisoner'
Sandra Laville, Severin Carrell Tom Parfitt in Moscow

Monday November 27, 2006
The Guardian
Anti-terrorist detectives are poised to fly to Russia and Italy in an effort to solve the fatal poisoning of the Russian dissident
Alexander Litvinenko.
But as John Reid, the home secretary, said the police inquiry had been upgraded from an "unexplained" to a "suspicious"
death, experts voiced doubt at the theory that anyone acting alone could have used the isotope polonium 210 to kill Mr
Litvinenko. One scientist said polonium 210 would only kill so quickly if combined into a "designer toxin" with another isotope,
beryllium, in a complicated process that would require state sponsorship. Such a process was used by Britain in early atomic
weapons in the 1950s.
Article continues
"No individual could do this," said John Large, an independent nuclear consultant. "What you are talking about is the creation
of a very clever little device, a designer poison pill, possibly created by nanotechnology. Without nanotechnology you would be
talking about a fairly big pill, a pea-sized pill. Either way you are looking at intricate technology which is beyond the means
and designs of a hired assassin without a state sponsor."
He said the likely poison pill that killed Mr Litvinenko would have to have been manufactured in a special laboratory over two
or three weeks and then used very quickly - possibly within 28 days - because the half-life of the isotope polonium is only 138
days.
Senior police officers are drawing in experts from the International Atomic Energy Authority, and from the Atomic Weapons
establishment at Aldermaston. Every option is being considered, from Kremlin involvement to the theory that Mr Litvinenko's
work in the anti-corruption unit of the FSB, Russia's MI5, created enemies with the means and knowledge to assassinate him.
The government's emergency planning group, Cobra, has met at least six times in the last few days. Police are studying hours
of CCTV tapes to trace Mr Litvinenko's movements on and before November 1, when it is likely he received the dose of
radiation that killed him. Officers may travel to Russia to interview Andrei Lugovoi and Dimitri Kovtoun, who met Mr Litvinenko
in the Millennium hotel on November 1, and to Italy to speak to Mario Scaramella, who met him at the Itsu restaurant in
Piccadilly.
"If we need to go to Russia and Italy we will do that at the appropriate time," one police source said yesterday. Mr Kovtoun,
who denies involvement, said he was going for radiation tests, because of concerns over his own contamination. One man
police may speak to is a former KGB general with links to the Dignity and Honour group of retired KGB officers.
The man is named in a document passed by Mr Scaramella to Mr Litvinenko as the ringleader of a group which could be
planning to kill both men. He is understood to have left Moscow on Friday for an unknown destination.
The home secretary refused to be drawn on the police investigation yesterday. Meanwhile more than 300 people who were in
the Millennium Hotel, in Grosvenor Square, London, and Itsu, in Piccadilly, on November 1 have contacted the NHS and the
Health Protection Agency is following up the calls. Several have been asked to supply urine samples.
Mr Litvinenko's home in north London, where traces of alpha radiation from polonium 210 have been found, was still being
examined yesterday.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1957880,00.html
Bert November 28th, 2006, 12:29 PM

Making nano sized versions of the "urchin" neutron source just to kill an unpopular journalist/ex-employee would seem to
violate the KISS principle. With the half life of Po 210, each dose would be a custom job.
It happened in England, I'd say this has Q's fingerprints all over it!

The article mentions the technique being developed by the Brits.
And, while KISS is always good, it is sometimes important to be extravagant with your punishments, to show potential enemies
that you are prepared to go to any lengths. :)
That, and they had this expensive toy that they've been dying to use.
I can also see the risks in having an extremely potent poison with no antidote in the hands of agents who might later turn it
against you. But this has a built-in time limit, beyond which it's harmless.
Also, if it's micronized particles of Polonium with Beryllium, that sounds to me like an airborne radiological weapon, intended to
be dusted over population centers for killing off the population within a couple of weeks, while leaving the infrastructure intact
and safe for the attacker to use after a few months.
Or layed down in front of attacking Soviet armor columns, so their troops will inhale the dust and die, even with masks
(because the particles are small enough to get through the filters), without permanently contaminating allied territory. Sounds
very 50's WWIII to me. :)
If I'm not mistaken, Polonium and Beryllium are used together as a neutron source for initating neutron cascade in nuclear
weapons. So, by combining the two together, you'd get both a high-energy alpha emitter and a neutron emitter, in an
inhalable form, where it'd lodge in the lungs and be absorbed systemically.
Hitech_Hillbilly November 29th, 2006, 02:30 PM

The Register is reporting that you can get polonium-210 from a company in New Mexico. Not sure if it's a Fed run Sting, or how
long it will last.
Link to the article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/29/polonium_available_online/
Link to United Nuclear Scientific Equipment & Supplies: http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2478908,00.html
Baaaaaaaaad!
The company says that it has supplied radioactive materials to the science hobbyist, businesses, government bodies and
teachers since 1998. We specialise in small orders. United Nuclear assures customers that they run no risk of being tipped
off to the US Department for Homeland Security.
Bugger November 30th, 2006, 06:27 PM

There is also a thread on the poisoning of Col. Litvenenko with Po-210 going on www.sciencemadness.org/talk/miscellaneous,
under "Thallium Poisoning", including files about Po-210 and its radiation toxicity that can be downloaded. (It was at first
thought to be thallium, most likely as Tl(I) nitrate or acetate or sulfate). He met a mysterious Russian who claimed to have
documents pointing to the murderers of a Russian journalist, for tea in the London Mayfair Hotel, the day he fell ill (or the day
before), 1 November. The Po-210 was probably put in a drink served to him while his attention was distracted with the
documents, which could have easily been used to obscure his view of his drink.
London Metropolitan anti-terrorism cops, and the British Secret Police (MI5 & MI6), have in the past day or two detained for
forensic testing four British Airways passenger jets that flew from Moscow to London in late October, after traces of Po-210 were
found on them, and they are also trying to trace thousands of passengers who were on them. In addition, traces of Po-210
have been found in the Colonel's home, and two other London pubs that he visited the day that he fell ill. This would suggest
that the Po compound that was given him was either volatile, or was converted to a volatile compound in his body e.g.
methylpolonium.
Also, a former Russian Prime Minister, presumably opposed to Putin, fell ill while visiting Dublin, Ireland, on the day the
Colonel died; he collapsed bleeding from his mouth and nose, which could be either radiological or chemical poisoning, and
doctors are sure that he was deliberately poisoned. What we need to solve the case is a real-life James Bond, by the looks of
it.
BTW Has anyone here ever handled polonium isotopes? (The longest-lived one is Po-209, half-life 103 years, but is much
harder to obtain than Po-210, and there are other lighter isotopes that have half-lives of several years). The alpha-radiation
from Po-210 (decays to stable Pb-206) is high-energy and intense, but is easily-absorbed by matter and hence is short-range,
hence its ability to damage cells in the gastrointestinal tract and bone-marrow and liver, and prevent them from reproducing
and cause cancer. By comparison, its chemical toxicity would be insignificant, being no more than that of tellurium which it
chemically resembles except for the difficulty in obtaining the Po(VI) oxidation state. Like Se and Te, and several other heavy
metals and semi-metals, Po (in soils where uranium and its decay products are present, derived from decomposition of
granite) is taken up and concentrated by many plants, including tobacco (in which Po-210 is often detectable), and in the
southwestern U.S.A., "loco-weed" which can cause "selenium staggers" in cattle.
mrtnira December 1st, 2006, 06:09 PM

Please consider going to www.axisglobe.com. It is now my home page. It is done by people with a Former Soviet Union focus
(many apparently with security services background).
Some times, the daily front page contents list looks like rambling, because each sentence may be the lead for an article, but
it is not a formally structured contents page. All the lines compress together into a paragraph. If you click on "read more" it will
take you to the page, in which each each topic sentence is amplified correctly.
On the left hand side are topical link lines that will take you to pages focused on crime/extremism, terrorism, etc.
If you are interested in how our many odd threads of academic interests come together in the real world, this web site will
keep you busy. I'd bookmark it for regular reference if you are so inclined.
A second page to often refer to is www.jamestown.org.
Both pages are done by professionals and present serious reporting on real world issues.
Desmikes December 1st, 2006, 08:51 PM

I doubt that this was a true radiation poisoning. According to the story, the dead man started feeling bad the same evening.
The radiation dose required to make one feel shitty in matter of hours, will kill him/her in much less time than the guy
apparently lived. They also were saying that after they detected radiation coming off his urine, they could not figure out what
isotope was responsible. This is strange because, generally you can identify any isotope in the smallest quantities from its
gamma signature. Which leads me to think that the whole thing with Po may be taken by media a little too far.
megalomania December 1st, 2006, 10:23 PM

Im with nbk on this one. The method of assassination was so exotic and James Bondian that they must have wanted
everybody to know exactly what they are capable of. I wonder if this was more of a message to other enemies, or perhaps the
west, that there are old scores to be settled and were a comin for you next.
Das Rumungskommando December 2nd, 2006, 06:25 AM

I agree. This is probably a signal to other dissidents/ defectors that is supposed to show them how they deal with such people.
btw, I just came to know, that the Italian, Mario Scaramella, is also heavily poisoned by that Po-210 and is expected to die
soon.
Cobalt.45 December 2nd, 2006, 02:46 PM

Initially, I had theorized that he had done himself in, as a desperate scheme to frame his "enemies".
Now, I'm not at all sure this was the case.
Now, my questions revolve around why there's so much radiation contamination secondary to the actual murder?
You might expect top government agents to be somewhat "cleaner"; this begs the question- who done it?
ShadowMyGeekSpace December 2nd, 2006, 02:56 PM

http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/56543764/article.pl
reporter writes "British authorities had identified polonium 210 to be the radioactive poison that killed Alexander Litvinenko,
the former Russian spy who defected to Great Britain. Now, according to a disturbing report, the authorities have identified the
source of the poison to be Russia. Bloomberg ominously reports, 'Scientists at the U.K.'s Atomic Weapons Establishment in
Aldermaston, west of London, have traced the polonium 210 found in London to a nuclear power plant in Russia, the capital's
Evening Standard newspaper reported today. Officials at the establishment didn't return calls.' A cold chill just fell on relations
between Russia and the West." In another twist to this developing story, the shadowy Italian security consultant who dined with
Litvinenko has also fallen ill with radiation poisoning.
nbk2000 December 2nd, 2006, 07:41 PM

If it was an inhaled dust, then particles of it that weren't systemically absorbed would be exhaled over time, the concentration
of the contamination increasing in relation to the time spent in the same spot.
Or, secondary dust contamination on clothes and shoes?
Alexires December 2nd, 2006, 08:04 PM

This remind anyone of Leon Trotsky? Assassinated in Mexico with an Ice Axe.
*laugh* Although, I think that the Trotsky Assassination had more class than "radiation" poisoning.
Cobalt.45 December 2nd, 2006, 11:18 PM

I think that the Trotsky Assassination had more class than "radiation" poisoning.
I have to agree.
But as far as the "fear factor" goes, looking at the bald, sunken-eyed, living corpse shown in the news footage speaks
volumes.
The perpetrator(s) are flaunting their power. "Fuck with me, I can and will kill you."
After all, the ex-agent could have merely disappeared, been "accidentally" run over, or any of a dozen other scenarios enlisted
to have gotten rid of him.
An example was made of this guy...
Bugger December 3rd, 2006, 06:21 PM

If you look at the news photographs of Col. Litvinenko as he lay dying, you will also notice that he turned yellow - jaundice, as
well as being rendered bald. This was because the intense energetic alpha-radiation from Po-210 had virtually destroyed his
liver.
As I wrote above, the secondary poisonings and contamination with Po-210, e.g. the other hotel and sushi bar where he
subsequently went after meeting the mysterious Russians, must be due to the polonium compound given him being converted
to a volatile compound or compounds in his body, like H2Po or (CH3)2Po, which were then exhaled on his breath. Some of this
must have been breathed in by Scaramello, whom he met after the meeting the Russians, hence the Po-210 found in his
body, although his life is (not yet) in danger. Compounds like these would have been very smelly, like the similar Se and Te
compounds (seleno- and telluro-mercaptans and their hydrides), but there is nothing in the news reports about Litvinenko's
breath having a bad smell before he died.
Jacks Complete December 3rd, 2006, 07:55 PM

It would be fairly simple to mix the various dusts together, and sprinkle them over the target. Or release them as a gas, for
example in a car or private booth.
Even if there was a smell to them, it would be easily disguised by a strong scent, or a gas to numb the nose receptors could
be added. I'm fairly sure that Hydrogen Sulphide does this, after the initial stink, and there are sure to be hundreds more
compounds that can do the same. The easiest way, however, would be a very slow release. Build up the amount of polium-210
fluoride (or whatever gas you can find) slowly, and the smell would not be noticed. Another way would be to do as the
"OhNoes! Nanotech!" article suggested, and adhere the Po-210 to an aerosolised compund such as cigarette smoke. However,
were this technique used, anyone in the building would be affected. An idea of the onward contamination and results of the
bystanders tests will give us a better clue.
In all, it's a complex and very nasty and expensive way to kill someone. He was definately made an example of.
Alexires December 3rd, 2006, 08:53 PM

Bugger, while what you are saying in regards to his breathe smelling may be correct, I think that the doctors most likely
wouldn't bother with it. They have someone who is dying on their hands, and his smelly breathe is probably the least of their
worries.
As you said while supporting your point, it would take a knowledge of chemistry above high school and probably above first
year university to recognize that Polonium was the cause.
*Nod* I definitely agree with Jacks Complete. As I said before, the Russians have a tendency to make their .... point
*chuckle*..... As in Trotsky?.... Oh forget about it *wink*.
Bert December 4th, 2006, 10:57 AM

Killing a minor problem like Litvinenko in a very public fashion at a time where bad publicity for Russia/Putin would have a
negative effect on the upcoming international summit meeting would be a poor choice for an experienced politician like Putin
to make. False flag operations and killing your own low value assets while blaming it on your enemy come to mind...
Litvvinenko was generally regarded as an asset of exiled oligarch Boris Berezovsky, who was paying his bills while they both
lived in England. Berezovsky has stated his intention to bring down Putin, and his belief that democratic means are for wimps.
http://www.exile.ru/2006-December-01/toxic_avenger.html
We've a number of Russian and other ex soviet members. What do THEY think?
Das Rumungskommando December 4th, 2006, 02:33 PM

Look, what I found:
Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian intelligence agent poisoned in London, is to be buried according to Muslim tradition
after converting to Islam on his deathbed.
T h e s p y s father, Walter Litvinenko, said in a n interview published today that his son - who was born an Orthodo x Christian
but had close links to Islamist rebels in Chechnya - made the request as he lay dying in University College Hospital.
He said I want to be buried according to Muslim tradition , Mr Litvinenko told Moscow s Kommersant da ily.
I said, Well so n, as you wish. We alre ady have on e Muslim in our family - my dau ghter is married to a Muslim. The
important thing is to b elieve in the Almighty. God is one.
... disgusting.
Nihilist December 4th, 2006, 02:41 PM

Killing a minor problem like Litvinenko in a very public fashion at a time where bad publicity for Russia/Putin would have a
negative effect on the upcoming international summit meeting would be a poor choice for an experienced politician like Putin
to make. False flag operations and killing your own low value assets while blaming it on your enemy come to mind...
Litvvinenko was generally regarded as an asset of exiled oligarch Boris Berezovsky, who was paying his bills while they both
lived in England. Berezovsky has stated his intention to bring down Putin, and his belief that democratic means are for wimps.
http://www.exile.ru/2006-December-01/toxic_avenger.html
We've a number of Russian and other ex soviet members. What do THEY think?
I'm not russian, but i'm thinking the same thing. This is too overt for the russian government to have done. They have no
reason to do something like this, this guy doesn't seem like he was a huge immediate threat to them. This looks a lot like a
way to justify something...what i'm not sure yet is what it's going to be used to justify.
Whoever did kill him must have seen this entire response play out in their minds before it happened. They must have known
it would be discovered that it was Polonium poisoning, they must have known it would be tested and traced to that Russian
lab, and they must have known it would be a huge international incident. So, who stands to gain here?
thermobaric December 6th, 2006, 01:55 AM

I'm pretty sure the Kremlin was involved in Litvinenko's death.He was exiled to the UK 6 years ago for writing a book
connecting Putin and the FSB to the Moscow apartment bombings in 1999,and it looks like they finally got him.
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=node/3022
And an article and clip from his book:http://eng.terror99.ru/resources/book/
Bert December 6th, 2006, 02:29 AM

You might want to research the order of the events you refer to. And while Putin (like many other heads of state) has blood on
his hands, one should always take a careful look at the evidence and research who might stand to benefit most from a covert
and inflammatory act.
Warfare between nuclear states is done by proxy and psy ops. Terrorism is a tool. Murder is a tool. The press is a tool, and
the most important one of the bunch. When the whole press corps of US and UK come together in a united front with a pat
explanation before any evidence is known, I would question how it might have come to pass.
Nihilist December 6th, 2006, 04:12 AM

Not to mention the only lab that examined the polonium that poisoned the man was run by the U.K. gov. As yet, we have no
independent data to verify their claim. You can bet your ass if an American defector in Russia died like this and the Russians
claimed they found American polonium in his system, our press would be second-guessing their analysis all over the place.

You might want to research the order of the events you refer to.You're right, Litvinenko wrote the book after his exile not
before.
But regardless of what the press says he would have been considered an enemy and traitor by the Russian government,and
prime target for assasination.They would have benefited from his death by losing an active critic of their policy and by setting
an example for anyone that would want to follow Alexander Litvinenko.I also find it interesting that he died while investigating
the murder of Anna Politskaya,another Kremlin critic.
Chopper December 6th, 2006, 12:12 PM

This story gets better and better each day.
I've seen no mention of it here yet, so I though it may be interesting to note that yesterday, Tues 5th Dec it was reported on
Melbourne television that the colonel had in fact planned to black-mail the russian govt!!:eek:
This was coming from the mouths of the dead man's friends, no less. The best bit, is the crazy fucker was only intending to
blackmail them for tens of thousands of dollars.:rolleyes: Over, if my memory serves me correctly, KGB affairs.
Perhaps he got off lightly after all.:D
Desmikes December 6th, 2006, 12:33 PM

At this point the story has gotten so big that 90% of everything that's going surface is going to be someone's speculation
taken too far. We might as well ignore the story for the next few months, wait for the dust to settle.
I doubt that anybody took the dead man seriously. His life was far too sketchy for anybody to believe his words. It is more
plausible that Berezovsky killed him, in a similar way that a farmer kills his the animals, you raise it - and it's up to you what
to do with it.
If it is true that Litvinenko did try to blackmail FSB, then of course in Russian understanding he can be viewed as a terrorist,
and most people know what happens to ALL terrorists in Russia - they don't make it to court, or even out the door.
FUTI December 6th, 2006, 01:09 PM

The more the time passes and press haunting endlessly about it...I'm more and more convinced that Russia has nothing to
do with it. This is standard demonisation technique. Since it is dangerous and unwise to demonise whole country they
concentrate on a one (leading) man.
Was there a reason to kill the guy? Yes he is big mouth defector, but is it reason enough? With him cut of the events in the
country his role as a informant diminishes since Russia had already changed all procedures/data/possible weak points he has
been aware and since they trained him they know he already has the data he knows in secure place to use as needed (no
matter is he living or dead). With him living they can say we are open society respecting the freedom of the speach and
diminish his words through simple undisputable fact that he speaks across the border and do not live inside the country. Most
of all his death defies KISS principle.
Press would like to convince us that KGB (now FSB) wouldn't choose to just create traffic accident where car run over the guy
(couple times just in case ;) ) but instead make logistical nightmare of creating delicate plot for smugling toxic radioactive
substance inside foreign country (where they could be caught or worse stopped at custom) with feable chance to might just get
into oportunity to poison him with (imagine this) substance that can only be connected with one nuclear facility in Russia.
Please can someone borrow me that elegant hammer KGB used to remove Trotsky away so I can hit the ass that create that
scenario or myself since I don't wish to listen that stupidity anymore. I'm imagining the guys running around with detectors
making people scared to death so the people start talking "Those crazy Russians they gona poison us all."
Since UK is little hot and cold regarding EU and EU is trying to form better relations with Russia despite their diferencies I could
put some money that some ass in UK has come up with that story. He is of no use to them anymore, so they doesn't need to
feed him anymore. Make him as a central figure of your own plot and you even benefit out of it. Isn't Mr. Churchill said that
"propaganda is the art of stepping on somebody's foot and cry "ouch" yourself"?
nbk2000 December 6th, 2006, 01:53 PM

One of the articles said the type of poison used was developed by the British government.
A russian defector is poisoned in britian.

The brits don't like russia.
Hmmm...are the pieces fitting yet? ;)

It'd be hilarious if this guy was trying to mildly poison himself as a publicity stunt to promote a new book. That actually seems
more likely than most of these scenarios. This guy seems to worthless for anyone to bother killing, so I think the only person
who might've done it is him.
nbk2000 December 7th, 2006, 03:15 AM

Where would a has-been spy get weaponized polonium? It's not something he could have kept around all this years, what with
the half-life of only a few months.
And how fucking insane would someone have to be to poison themselves with radiation?! :rolleyes:
akinrog December 7th, 2006, 03:48 PM

I'm more and more convinced that Russia has nothing to do with it. This is standard demonisation technique. Since it is
dangerous and unwise to demonise whole country they concentrate on a one (leading) man.
IMHO, it might be possible that Russia has nothing to do with it. As you know a few months ago Russia has paid all foreign
debts and is now an financially independent county, which is no good for imperialist/capitalist circles. And since Russia is also a
nuclear power, they need something to corner them, creating such a tumult to demonize them. :mad: Regards.
Bugger December 8th, 2006, 07:58 PM

The latest news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_on_re_eu/poisoned_spy
Hotel bar is focus of ex-spy death probe

By DAVID STRINGER, Associated Press Writer
LONDON - Detectives investigating the poisoning death of an ex-KGB agent focused Friday on a meeting at a London hotel bar
where at least 10 people may have been exposed to the radioactive isotope found in his body.
Colleagues in Moscow hoped to question one of those people, Andrei Lugovoi another former KGB agent and security
consultant named by British law enforcement officials as a key witness in the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko.
Lugovoi met Litvinenko at the bar of London's Millennium Hotel on Nov. 1 the day Litvinenko fell ill.
Russian media reported that both Lugovoi and his business associate at that meeting, Dmitry Kovtun, also showed signs of
radioactive contamination. On Friday, the Interfax news agency reported that he had radiation damage to his intestines and
kidneys.
Interfax also quoted unidentified medical sources as saying that checks of Lugovoi found that some of his organs had
malfunctioned, but Lugovoi himself later told the ITAR-Tass news agency that he was feeling "normal."
Seven hotel employees who were working at the London bar that day also tested positive for exposure to radiation, British
health officials said.
Among the others contaminated by the poison is Mario Scaramella, an Italian security consultant working with the Italian
parliament who also met the Russian in London Nov. 1. Scaramella was found to have significant quantities of polonium-210 in
his body and there are concerns for his health, but he has not developed symptoms of radiation poisoning.
Marina Litvinenko, the agent's wife, also received a dose of the poison, but doctors say it was not enough to make her sick.
Dr. Michael Clarke of Britain's Health Protection Agency said the polonium-210 poisoning likely was carried out at the hotel bar
but a British police official said no conclusions had been drawn. The official said the venue was an integral part of the case,
speaking on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak about the case.
"People go to bars to drink, eat and smoke all of which are possibilities for the poisoning," Clarke told The Associated
Press.
Litvinenko's friend Alex Goldfarb said the former spy sipped tea during the meeting, while Lugovoi said he recalls ordering a
bottle of gin. Clarke said polonium could have been discreetly added to food or drink.
"If it was some sort of liquid, it could have been as in James Bond a little magic capsule," Clarke said Thursday, the day
Litvinenko was buried in a specially sealed coffin.
Litvinenko died at a London hospital on Nov. 23. Doctors said he was poisoned with a massive dose of the radioactive
substance.
Traces of polonium-210 have been found at several sites he visited in recent weeks, including the stadium of London's Arsenal
soccer club and the British Embassy in Moscow. Health officials said traces of polonium also had been uncovered at the Parkes
Hotel in London's Mayfair neighborhood where Lugovoi stayed Oct. 16.
Russian Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika said Wednesday that British police would not be allowed to question him directly, but
could attend while Russian officers conducted the interrogation.
Andrei Romashov, a lawyer for Lugovoi, denied a report that Kovtun had slipped into a coma after meeting Russian
investigators and Scotland Yard detectives. Interfax later cited a source as saying Kovtun had regained consciousness but was
in serious condition. It said Lugovoi doing better than Kovtun but also showed signs of contamination.
Lugovoi told ITAR-Tass that he did not trust reports about Kovtun's condition and urged an end to "speculation" about their
condition.
Russian prosecutors announced Thursday they had opened a criminal case into the murder of Litvinenko and attempted
murder of Kovtun.
A criminal probe in Russia would allow suspects to be prosecuted there. Officials previously have said Russia would not
extradite any suspects in Litvinenko's killing.
Jacks Complete December 9th, 2006, 05:17 PM

Anyone recall the story of Typhoid Mary?
It is quite possible that the idea behind this was to kill several others as well, but it failed. Take out high-level Russian guys,
high placed UK guys, plus the actual target. After all, high doses of radiation take a while to kill, but can take out those who
come into contact with the primary.
A nice coating of radioactive dust on the shoulders would be a great way to do this.
It probably was the UK government. Look what they did to David Kelly over the non-existant Iraq WMDs evidence, and who
knows how many others have quietly been killed for "our" side, along with the hundreds killed by un-needed wars and the like.
Bugger December 11th, 2006, 08:26 PM

It now looks very much as if Kovtun, another (former?) KGB agent, did it, now falling sick with radiation poisoning himself,
through having inhaled or ingested some of it while transporting it from Moscow and/or "spiking" Litvinenko's drink with the
stuff. But he must have known someone very "high up" to get access to a lethal quantity of Po-210:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/ap_on_re_eu/poisoned_spy
Radiation linked to contact of ex-spy
By SIMONE UTLER, Associated Press , 11 Dec. 2006
HAMBURG, Germany - Traces of the rare radioactive substance polonium-210 were found at a German apartment visited by a
contact of fatally poisoned ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko before the two men met in London, authorities said Sunday. The
polonium traces were found on a couch where Russian businessman Dmitry Kovtun is believed to have slept at his ex-wife's
Hamburg apartment the night before he headed to London for a meeting with Litvinenko last month, German investigators
said. Tests on traces of radiation at the apartment "clearly show that it is polonium-210," Gerald Kirchner of the Federal
Radiation Protection agency said at a news conference.
Investigators said Kovtun flew to Hamburg from Moscow with Aeroflot on Oct. 28 and departed for London on Nov. 1. That is
the day when Kovtun and at least one other Russian met with Litvinenko at London's Millennium Hotel and when Litvinenko
is believed to have fallen ill. Traces of radiation also were found in the passenger seat of a car that picked Kovtun up from the
Hamburg airport, on a document Kovtun brought to Hamburg immigration authorities and at the home of Kovtun's ex-mother-
in-law outside Hamburg all from before the Nov. 1 meeting.
German prosecutors did not say whether they suspect Kovtun might have been involved in Litvinenko's death. But they said
they were investigating him on suspicion he may have improperly handled radioactive material. "At this stage of the
investigation, we have sufficient initial cause to believe that he brought the polonium traces to Hamburg outside his body, or
that these traces are the result of contact with polonium-210," prosecutor Martin Koehnke said.
Officials said that any connection between Kovtun and Litvinenko's death would have to be investigated by British police. British
police are treating his death as a murder. "We still believe that both variants are possible: that he may be a victim, but also
that he may have been involved, at least in procuring the polonium," Koehnke said. Litvinenko, an ex-Russian agent who was
a fierce Kremlin critic, died Nov. 23 after blaming Russian President Vladimir Putin for the poisoning. The Kremlin has
vehemently denied involvement.
Kovtun reportedly is being treated in Moscow for radiation poisoning. Russian authorities have opened a criminal investigation
into his poisoning, calling it attempted murder. Kirchner, the radiation agency official, said it was possible Kovtun could already
have been poisoned when he arrived in Hamburg and left behind traces through body fluids such as sweat.
On Saturday, the German plane aboard which Kovtun flew from Hamburg to London tested negative for traces of polonium-
210. Investigators raised the possibility that may be because the plane had been cleaned thoroughly. A security officer for
Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport said all Aeroflot planes, including the one which flew to Hamburg on Oct. 28, had been checked
for radiation and tested negative. The officer spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to the
media.
Litvinenko met at the Millennium Hotel in London's Mayfair neighborhood with Kovtun and former Soviet agent Andrei Lugovoi.
Another man, security firm head Vyacheslav Sokolenko, has said he was at the hotel but did not participate in the meeting.
Lugovoi has denied that the men were involved in the ex-spy's death.
Meanwhile, Litvinenko's widow said in interviews published Sunday that her late husband's criticism of the Kremlin had
antagonized his former secret service colleagues, and contended that Putin had created an atmosphere that "makes it
possible to kill a British person on British soil." In her first interviews, Marina Litvinenko said she believed Russian authorities
were behind the poisoning of her husband, who sought asylum in Britain in 2000 and obtained citizenship this year. Marina
Litvinenko told Sky News in an English-language interview that her husband "openly went out from system and accused the
system of killing people, of kidnap."
Marina Litvinenko has placed her faith in British investigators but said she does not intend to cooperate with Russian
authorities, who plan to come to London to probe her husband's death. "In Russia, it doesn't matter how many people are
killed," she said, adding that the life of "only one person can still be very important in England."
Also on Sunday, Litvinenko's friend Alex Goldfarb accused Russian authorities of trying to obstruct the British probe by
preventing Kovtun and Lugovoi from being questioned. Lugovoi was supposed to testify after a team of Scotland Yard officers
arrived in Moscow on Tuesday. But the interrogation has been postponed several times, although Lugovoi himself has said he
is eager to answer questions. "It's a clumsy effort to cover up the trace, to prevent British investigators from meeting with two
key witnesses," Goldfarb told The Associated Press.
He added that Lugovoi and Kovtun could be in danger as the authorities "could try to remove them later." "Another crime is
unfolding before our eyes the removal of two key witnesses: Lugovoi and Kovtun," he told the AP.
Lugovoi, who is being checked in Russia for radioactive poisoning, said Sunday his condition was "stable" and results of his
medical checks would be available by the end of the week. Lugovoi said Kovtun also was in a "satisfactory" condition. "He's not
in a coma," Lugovoi told the RIA Novosti, denying a report by the Interfax news agency on Thursday.

Something about this whole situation just feels wrong. You have this extremely expensive and dangerous operation carried out
in this very amateurish way...the authorities are unraveling this too quickly, something isn't right.

We're talking about post-collapse russia now, not Stalins' USSR.
That says a lot about the quality of the job done. ;)

Litvinenko's killers used polonium worth $10m to give massive overdose
Daniel McGrory and Tony Halpin in Moscow
# Dose ten times the lethal level
# Investigators are baffled by amount
British investigators believe that Alexander Litvinenkos killers used more than $10 million of polonium-210 to poison him.
Preliminary findings from the post mortem examination on the former KGB spy suggest that he was given more than ten times
the lethal dose.
Police do not know why the assassins used so much of the polonium-210, and are investigating whether the poison was part of
a consignment to be sold on the black market.
They believe that whoever orchestrated the plot knew of its effects, but are unsure whether the massive amount was used to
send a message it made it easier for British scientists to detect or is evidence of a clumsy operation.
A British security source said yesterday: You cant buy this much off the internet or steal it from a laboratory without raising an
alarm so the only two plausible explanations for the source are that it was obtained from a nuclear reactor or very well
connected black market smugglers.
Alexander Goldfarb, a friend of Litvinenko, said: Only a state-sponsored organisation could obtain such a large amount of
polonium-210 without raising suspicion on the international market.
In Moscow, Scotland Yard detectives have asked to question further two Russian businessmen who met Litvinenko several
times in the fortnight before he died, including November 1, the day he fell ill. Both men, Andrei Lugovoy and Dmitri Kovtun,
were contaminated with polonium-210 and remain isolated in a clinic.
The men who have been friends since they were 12 and attended the same Moscow military academy deny any role in the
poisoning and claim that they are victims. German police, however, have begun a criminal investigation into Mr Kovtun after
traces of polonium-210 were found at severallocations he visited in Hamburg. Neither man has explained why the radioactive
poison was discovered in London in places they visited as long ago as October 16.
The nine British detectives sent to Moscow to investigate the murder are likely to return home this week. Russian authorities
have blocked their inquiries and left them on the sidelines as their own officials question the main figures in the investigation.
Security sources told The Times that Russian officials refused to ask Mr Kovtun and Mr Lugovoy questions to which the British
team wanted answers. Aware of the diplomatic sensitivities of this case, police chiefs and politicians have avoided any public
disagreement with Russia or criticised the way Yuri Chaika, the countrys Prosecutor-General, has effectively hijacked the
investigation.
United Nuclear Scientific Supplies of New Mexico, one of the few companies licensed to sell polonium-210 isotopes online, said
that as a single unit costed about $69, it would take at least 15,000 orders, costing more than $10 million, to kill someone.
The company said that as it sold to only a handful of outlets in the United States every three months, anyone placing an order
for 15,000 units would be spotted.
Experts reckon that as little as 0.1 micrograms of polonium-210 would be enough to kill the equivalent of a single aspirin
tablet divided into 10 million pieces.
The killers would also have to know that polonium-210 decays rapidly; its half-life is only 138 days.
The first consignment is reported to have arrived in the second part of October. The rest arrived in two further batches but
police do not know why the couriers risked smuggling further supplies into Britain when the original amount was sufficent to
murder their target.
The latest theory, made by Alexander Shvets, another former KGB spy, is that Litvinenko uncovered damaging information
about a powerful Russian businessman with close links to President Putin.
In Moscow yesterday, a vigil was held for the more than 200 journalists who have died violently since the fall of the Soviet
Union.
Journalists held photographs of many of the victims, including Anna Politkovskaya, whose murder Litvinenko claims he was
investigating when he was murdered.
Here's a new theory...test subject for russian black marketeers. :)
Altroman December 19th, 2006, 07:22 PM

. . . As usual, the Media has chosen to distort the facts in an effort to garner a better headline! Po210 would not be purchased
in 100 femtoCurie "license-exempt" quantities - it would be purchased in much larger (mCi) quantities (and subsequently at
far lower cost), in a relatively pure chemical salt form which is much less expensive to produce and (in this case) to use. My
guesstimate of the total cost: less than $100k, including the palm-greasing required to facilitate transport.
Altroman's Word of Advice #54: Carefully check all assumptions and claims made by the Media (especially those concerning
energetic materials!)- they rarely act with honest intent, or with scientific impartiality.

The media will always distort the numbers, to make the story sound like they want it to sound.
Just like when cops say 'Million dollars worth of drugs seized!'. Yeah, if every bit of it was sold as nickel bags, but it never is.
They inflated the cost to an enormous amount for the 'Someone sure wanted HIM dead!' factor, while still mentioning the
'Anyone with $60 can buy spy poison!' amount to get the sheeple scared that anyone could afford to poison them with it. :)
mrtnira January 20th, 2007, 10:02 PM

Litvinenko was murdered by a killer with three false passports
On-line article from http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1199
Oleg Gordievsky
AIA reported exactly a month ago that Scotland Yard investigators had some information about the possible killer of the
Russian ex-security service officer Alexander Litvinenko, according to former agent of KGB in Britain Oleg Gordievsky. He told
his version to Radio Liberty this week again.
Gordievsky said that, already in the first days of the probe, Scotland Yard detected some illegal visitor, who arrived in London
from Hamburg under the forged documents November 1. The man, a professional killer, arrived in Heathrow under the forged
EU passport to pass unnoticed. Then the killer changed the passport for another passport of the EU. He left the same night
after Litvinenkos poisoning (or perhaps, early next day), using the third passport, Gordievsky said, specifying the detectives
have a photo of the possible killer taken by the airports surveillance cameras. His first passport was photographed as well.
Russian online paper Gazeta.ru wrote earlier that this man was mentioned in the papers, showed to Litvinenko by his Italian
contact Mario Scaramella on November 1. A former spetsnaz member of the military counterintelligence, GRU, named Igor, 46,
was mentioned in the dossier, allegedly delivered from Russia. His surname is not disclosed in interests of investigation.
Last month, AIA wrote, referring to the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, that an eventual name of the Russian Foreign
Intelligence Service expert in covert operations might be Igor Vlasov. The British media outlets have reported that he is easy
limps (after a car crash), perfectly knows English and Portuguese, and also the judo, has some passports and carries out
functions of a professional killer. Later, owing to leakages, it became known that the suspect stopped in the beginning of
November in one of the London hotels.
Some editions believe that this person is involved also in the murder of the investigative journalist of the Russian Novaya
gazeta, Anna Politkovskaya. It is not excluded that the man Gordievsky spoke about, and a certain Igor is one and the same
person.
Gordievskys conclusions partly coincide with the version of Andrei Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun, who met with Litvinenko on the
day he fell fatally ill, they had put forward in their justification. As it was found out later, radiation had appeared in places
Kovtun visited in Hamburg, Germany. Kovtun and Lugovoy explained the polonium trace with the alleged fact that the real
murderer of Litvinenko wished to bring them under suspicion and followed them. According to Gordievsky, the Scotland Yard
inspectors have believed the both witnesses, Gazeta.ru says.
Meanwhile, Gibson Square Books, a British publishing house, is reissuing Litvinenko's Blowing Up Russia, a controversial book
and the first of a slew of planned editions that will carry the dead man's anti-Kremlin allegations around the world, as The
Associated Press puts it.
Altroman January 21st, 2007, 12:35 PM

An interesting feature of Po210 is its very high radiothermal output (because of its high energy density it is used in RTGs as a
source of heat to generate electricity for satellites). The amount of polonium required to deliver a fatal dose would likely have
been perceptibly warm if placed on solid food in powder form. This would have immediately raised suspicions. Also, the ozone
and nitrogen oxides generated by alpha radiolysis of the air nearby may have been detectable by smell if it were dispensed in
concentrated powder form. Thus I suspect that it was prepared as a soluble salt in aqueous solution, and then dissolved in a
soup or drink to mask its thermal and radiolytic signature.
megalomania January 22nd, 2007, 12:17 AM

I would imagine most food would be served hot, and what european eatery would not be filled with smokers, especially the
Soviet types? The easier to hide the warmth and O3/NOx odor. I think tobacco is one of the food groups over there.
nbk2000 January 28th, 2007, 12:51 PM

It was in a teapot.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/it_was_in_the_t.html
paroxysm February 19th, 2007, 10:52 AM

This seems to me like such an elaborate way for bumpimg-off a political or social opponent. There are far more viable and
easy ways than this, although perhaps none as fool-proof. There were worries voiced on BBC news that the trail of radiation
may dissapear but with Polonium 210's half life of 138.376 days I hardly thought this was possible, and why could it not be
traced back before the time at which he fell ill, ie. back to the killer?

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DMSOnMyVeins November 21st, 2006, 12:16 AM

Thank him for speaking his mind and standing up to a disrespectful nigger. Like he said "50 years ago we'd hang your ass upside down and stick a fork in your ass"
He should not apologize. The other party should apologize for being a disrespectful idiot.
festergrump November 21st, 2006, 07:02 AM

'http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/news/bal-artslife-richards1120,0,2560828.story?track=mostemailedlink '
Oooh! Mr. Richards said the "N" word... :eek: How dare he...:rolleyes:
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Red Beret November 21st, 2006, 07:24 AM

Good on him.
You know what? I hate niggers too! Yeah you heard me, and while I'm at it, muslims, and most of all Fucking Lebanese people! They are fucking my country!
If you love lebanon so much, GO BACK!! Yes, go back to your pile of corpses and rubble, that place you call home. When you set foot in my country, you do as I say, and act
like an Australian. Start by painting yourselves white. Actually, don't come here at all. :mad: Lest I get out my trusty anglo saxon made shotgun and pump you full of
buckshot.
Match November 21st, 2006, 09:13 AM

Good on him.
You know what? I hate niggers too! Yeah you heard me, and while I'm at it, muslims, and most of all Fucking Lebanese people! They are fucking my country!
If you love lebanon so much, GO BACK!! Yes, go back to your pile of corpses and rubble, that place you call home. When you set foot in my country, you do as I say, and act
like an Australian. Start by painting yourselves white. Actually, don't come here at all. :mad: Lest I get out my trusty anglo saxon made shotgun and pump you full of
buckshot.
Australia and Canada must be quite similar.
My country is also filled with patriotic immigrants, problem is, they love the stinky piece of Middle Eastern shit hole they left.
Then we can't forget the muslims... I love it when the muslim leaders go into the media and start talking shit 'muslims are non violent, we do not support these acts of
terrorism' or 'we are pissed at this injustice, you cannot insult the dear muslims, o no you can't!!' If what we said wasn't true, they wouldn't respond the way they do.
As to their ability to become civilized (they still bathe in milk, eat goat and lock their women up) they are more concerned with staying the way they are. Every couple
of months theres a new stink (literally) in the news when some stupid muslim is asked to remove his turban in a soccer tournament or when a muslim can't join the
police because HE won't take off his turban...
I even remember a certain instance when a muslim was asked to remove the huge fucking saber he brought to school, and guess what? The muslim 'leaders' got all pissy and
now immigrant CHILDREN are allowed to bring daggers to schools. :rolleyes:
The cops are even on their side, there was a coincidence of incidents I was involved in and now the police think I'm a terrorist and their trying to charge me with some
stupid law similar to the Americans patriot act. Basically, they can't prove I did anything wrong but they believe that I did and I guess thats enough to charge me,
criminally. They want to bar me from owning a weapon, among other things. I'm amused.
I should watch what I say here as I'm sure they're watching. :rolleyes:
nbk2000 November 21st, 2006, 09:38 AM

All the following quotes are from:
'http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/news/bal-artslife-richards1120,1,683383,print.story?ctrack=1&cset=true'
Note the use of the following 'code' words and phrases:
...spewed racial epithets... (be more specific please.)

...the "n word"...(oh no! Not the 'n' word! :rolleyes: )
...his use of the term "Afro-American" proved funny to some audience members... (I find it funny! :))
...a failed 2000 comedy...(Got to tear him down)
...condemned by industry colleagues...(who are unnamed)
"Once the word [nigger! NBK] comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining," Rodriguez told CNN. "Freedom
of speech has its limitations and I think Michael Richards found those limitations."
You freedom of speech ends in the presence of a mud, but only if you are not a mud. Notice he made the exception of the use of the word nigger by other niggers. Isn't that
nice?
Richards tells the audience, "It shocks you, it shocks you" and refers to "what lays buried."
The man spoke the truth and it does shock people...even himself!
a half-dozen community activists gathered at the club to denounce Richards' remarks and demand an apology.
Since when do six niggers loitering in front of a club constitute 'community activists'? I thought it constituted gang activity! :p
Veteran publicist Michael Levine (JEW!), ... called Richards' remarks inexcusable. ... "I've never seen anything like this in my life," Levine said Monday. "I think it's a career
ruiner for him. ... It's going to be a long road back for him, if at all."
Powerful hollywood JEW is saying that his career is finished if he doesn't toe the party line ASAP, and even then...
Oh, and speaking about niggers, FOX decided not to broadcast the OJ Simpson interview, or publish his book.
'http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/fox-wont-do-it-network-axes-oj-special/'
Though I still believe it to have been a publicity stunt for something else FOX has planned. :mad:
azaleaem November 21st, 2006, 10:48 AM

To quote from above:
"As to their ability to become civilized (they still bathe in milk, eat goat and lock their women up)...."
Taking a bath in hot milk actually sounds nice, but expensive.

I had goat just once, but it was delicious.
I just got burned by a woman, so I better bite my tounge here.
Corona November 21st, 2006, 11:07 AM

stupid muslim is asked to remove his turban in a soccer tournament or when a muslim can't join the police because HE won't take off his turban...
I even remember a certain instance when a muslim was asked to remove the huge fucking saber he brought to school,
These would be "Sikh" actually.... :rolleyes:
They have to wear a turban and they have to carry a mean looking knife. Part of their dress code.
And you are confused. :p
Core November 21st, 2006, 11:53 AM

I was amused when they said "He used the n-word". Like it's middles school and someone said 'fuck'. Their response is "Ooooh! He said a naughty word! He's in trouble now!"
while at the same time they wish they had the balls to say the same thing.
Match November 21st, 2006, 12:21 PM

These would be "Sikh" actually.... :rolleyes:
They have to wear a turban and they have to carry a mean looking knife. Part of their dress code.
And you are confused. :p
You're correct in that I mis-labled and generalized a minority, chalk that up for my inability to care, although I still don't feel I'm as ignorant as arabs. Muslims and sikhs
included. :p
As for reasons why they have to muddle in everything and be so arrogant about their religion, they're secular beings and they don't have to do anything.
knowledgehungry November 21st, 2006, 01:13 PM

Sikhs aren't Arabs... they are Indo-Aryans. Not only that, Sikhism is one of the more "tolerant" religions in that they don't believe that Sikhism is the only path to salvation and
they believe that all people should be treated equally.
Corona November 21st, 2006, 01:54 PM

I still don't feel I'm as ignorant as arabs.
Oh???
Glad to know you "feel" as you do.... confidence is great... but you can't tell the difference between Sikhs and Muslims??? .... Or a "Kirpaan" and a "Saber"? :p :p
Let us see what other gems you will contribute in the days ahead. :rolleyes:
Jacks Complete November 21st, 2006, 06:21 PM

I've never met an intolerant Sikh. Even the one who kicked me in the head at school became a friend. I don't think he carried a kirpan, but I sure as hell carried a knife! No
one ever stabbed anyone, though. Armed society = polite society, and all that.
nbk2000 November 21st, 2006, 10:15 PM

The video in question:
'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgmCBKPHnSY'
Corona November 22nd, 2006, 01:48 AM

If you use Firefox browser with the proper plugin, you can download any video from YouTube. Just rename extension to "flv" and play using Media-Player Classic (included in
K-Lite Codec pack).
If you don't use Firefox, there are many other utilities available on torrent sites like Demonoid that will do the job fine (I don't remember their names... they keep coming
along... just keep an eye out). Again... rename to whatever.FLV and play using either FLV player (shitty little thing) or Media Player Classic (excellent).
This video is a keeper. Thanks NBK.
corrosive November 22nd, 2006, 05:43 AM

Michael Richards, my personal opinion, yes he did step over the board a little bit, but talking about racism during standup is like eating breakfast in the morning, yea, this guy
specifically called a "couple" black people, niggers, nigga, refered to a sick lynching technique I guess the Ku Klux Klan would use with forks....wtf..:eek: :confused: .
You can tell this isn't just a routine joke, people were shocked, Richards himself was shocked, after this happened, he just left the stage after he realized what he had said,
why does he have to repeat everything he says three times heh :D ?
Also wouldn't you think that after acting like a dumbass phsyco for some odd 18 years is it? You will commonly have these rages in your daily ruitine or even raging outbreaks,
I mean seriously, 18 years is a long time and even if your fake acting, your brain adapts and you might get mild schizophrenia or just mental problems.
Everyone in this thread saw this, he literally went on a rampage of hatred towards blacks, he didn't give a mild damn about anything he said, he just continues, then following
what, 30 seconds, he realizes the club will not continue further, he just steps off stage.
Even though I am not too fond of the african american race, aprox. 85% of them are crooks, robbers, murderers, but I will not stereotype them because not all of them are
like this, if your black and you read this, your most likely intelligent because rarely do they come on such forums and just read this stuff, but the other 85% have their place on
the internet, which is sadly the most undignifying forum I've ever witnessed physically, mentally, and spiritually, I get a headache from reading some threads.
The gold pot - 'http://www.da-blocc.com/forum/'
NBK will enjoy that - ^
c.Tech November 22nd, 2006, 08:50 AM

'http://www.da-blocc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23'
The only thing worse than a nigger is a wigger.
Niggers (I'm using it as a different term to all blacks) need their own special group excluding all whites and its seen as acceptable except when a black person decides to get
into an all white group and its rejected its racist, criminal, and down right disturbing. Why must it be like that? :mad: (BTW I do not want to join them in any way)
festergrump November 22nd, 2006, 10:45 AM

See the 2nd link in post #2 for an example of this double standard, c.Tech.
They want their cake and eat it, too. They don't feel they should have to work to get anywhere in life because they can get everything handed to them on a silver platter by
playing the race card. It kinda reminds me of another race who's also learned that becoming the 'career victim' works very well for them. If the hatred isn't there you have to
create the illusion of it yourself to fuel the constant sympathy and handouts.
'http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/festergrump/jew24xt.gif'
In fact, niggers have become the puppet of choice of the other (more intelligent) race. By keeping "Whitey" occupied with the niggers they avoid scrutiny of their own power-
mongering actions... Scary thing is, it seems to have worked very well for too many decades.
Even scarier is, if there's a nigger running for any sort of government office you can bet your bottom dollar that ever nigger eligible to vote WILL vote for them purely based on
skin color. Once one nigger is in office all appointees are niggers, all hirelings are niggers, and all action while in office are racially slanted toward the benefit and welfare of the
nigger race. BLACKEST man for the job replaces BEST man for the job. Alternatively, if you are a White VIP and hire only the best man for the job (hands down, it'll be a well
educated White man) you'll be in for some serious legal trouble if a certain percentage of your staff is not mud. Try getting hired in a "Black Owned and Operated" company as
a White man and see what happens. After that try getting the legal system involved and see how well you fare.
I vaguely remember NBK mentioning something about a publication called "The Black Pages", a directory for nigger owned businesses. Can I advertise there, too? Not that I'd
really want to, but the answer would be NO, simply because I'm White. Can I start a publication for White-Only businesses? Sure, if I want to subject myself to the scrutiny of a
racially biased legal system. Supposing I took the option of being heard by a jury of my peers? Could I get this? Not really. My peers are White. What are the odds that I'd be
allowed to get a decision from an all White jury? This would never be allowed by my opposer's legal council. The result might turn out to be FAIR! :(
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What strikes me as funny about that nigger forum is the section entitled " STREET TALK--What's happenin on the street's? Whats happen in Prison? Whats happenin with you?
"... These guidelines for discussion are simply because to anyone who'd frequent a forum such as that there are only those two choices: Haven't yet been caught being a social
deviant or HAVE been caught. A similar forum on a White race forum might be: "STREET TALK-- What's going on with your work or studies? What's going on with your family?
What's new in your life?"
Work? Study? Family Values?... by niggers? LMAO! Only on the Cosby Show, folks! Seems Mr. Cosby has a dream, too! :p
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IMHO, America as a White Nation (created by Whites for Whites) should march every nigger south of the American/Mexican border before the wall is completed. I'd call it the
Million Man March except this name has already been taken long ago:
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Sorry for going on and on... The real issue of this thread is that they choose to call themselves niggers but complain that other races do also. That's similar to me insisting that
everyone call me some thing other than Festergrump (a rather stupid name I chose for myself when I signed up) because it 'offends me' when YOU do it. Next person who
calls me Festergrump or Fester will be really be in for it when I run crying to Megalomania or NBK2000! (unless, of course, I happen to like you... then it's okay). :rolleyes:
ravn November 22nd, 2006, 08:41 PM

Next person who calls me Festergrump or Fester will be really be in for it
How about Uncle Fester? Maybe Unk for short???:D
Pugsley
Chris The Great November 23rd, 2006, 04:28 AM

That'd mix him up within someone else though...
Where did you find those comics though Fester? ;) They are hilarious!
festergrump November 23rd, 2006, 06:43 AM

How about Uncle Fester? Maybe Unk for short???
"You can call me Susan if it makes you happy..." -- Bullet-tooth Tony (from the movie: 'Snatch')
Honestly, though, Uncle Fester is NOT me and I don't want any mistake regarding that fact.
Your answer lies within your PM inbox, Chris... ;)
Big Mac November 23rd, 2006, 11:11 PM

If you use Firefox browser with the proper plugin, you can download any video from YouTube. Just rename extension to "flv" and play using Media-Player Classic (included in
K-Lite Codec pack).
If you don't use Firefox, there are many other utilities available on torrent sites like Demonoid that will do the job fine (I don't remember their names... they keep coming
along... just keep an eye out). Again... rename to whatever.FLV and play using either FLV player (shitty little thing) or Media Player Classic (excellent).
This video is a keeper. Thanks NBK.
What plug-in is that exactly?
Corona November 24th, 2006, 12:49 AM

I think there is more than one... I just got the first one I came across. It is called "Unplug". It gives you a download link for embedded video.
'https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2254/'
Install Firefox and go to their add-ons/plug-ins site and see what is available.
If you want to use a download manager to get the videos (or anything) faster, install "FlashGot" along with the normal Flashget download manager.

'http://videodownloader.net' is the one I use.
festergrump November 27th, 2006, 05:33 AM

Having seen yesterday morning on the news that Michael Richards was bending over backwards to appease the niggers of America with an overabundance of asskissing by
agreeing to live chat with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on a radio broadcast I became renewed with vigor to air more of my own my own thoughts on the matter:
What Michael Richards did was not racist. What he did was call upon the truth... call a kettle black, if you will. It shocked him as much as it shocked the antagonistic hecklers
he was directing his comments towards.
While we people who are bombarded daily by indoctrinations and doses of our governments propaganda and trained to respond with the "appropriate" feelings or reactions to
stimuli (which the government and society at large deem "acceptable")... there are deeper thoughts and conflicts at play, often going on within only our subconcious minds,
which will manifest uncontrollably when our capacity to contain them reach critical mass. An explosion is imminent because deep within there is a severe conflict. (something
just isn't adding up correctly).
What we witnessed was one such explosion. It was, in fact, actually the direct result of what is often called "reverse discrimination". The man (Richards) simply grew tired for
being held accountable for actions his forefathers were said to have done to THEIR forefathers, and with the 'egging on' of hecklers of a race now grown used to sympathy and
handouts for ill-treatment not of their own endurance-- cried, "Oh, how COULD you!". This was NOT the pampering and pandering they've grown accustomed to receiving from
a man with paler skin than their own, as history has dictated--better treatment is and has long since been available.
My point:
If you teach any animal to ring a bell and get a reward, when you fail to provide the reward when the bell is rung after much conditioning, you've an irrate animal to contend
with.
Michael Richards may have never taught such an animal this trick, but it seems he now has to provide a "treat" for them, at the very least in the form of an apology (or so say
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, anyway. Go figure. Those two alone have taught many a thousands of blacks just how to "ring a bell" and exact even a specific flavor of
reward).
I feel sorry for Mr. Richards but nothing for the hecklers. They knew they had the deck stacked in their favor before ever uttering a rude comment towards their entertainer.
Why heckle in the first place? Why not just leave? Because there, as always, is a bell within their pocket to ring...
Corona November 27th, 2006, 03:09 PM

About downloaders for the likes of YouTube, GoogleVideo, etc..... in case the page NBK mentioned doesn't work for you (the downloads had a habit of cutting out, in my case)
or if you aren't using FireFox.... here are two to try out.
'http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/546838/618056/'
'http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/546772/154514/'
I haven't used them, so please.... But such stuff usually works OK. Such utilities come and go... there is no shortage of them.
Now then... why are you guys so anti-black? Is it really bad out there? I've never been out my country (and I'm not black) so I don't know.
I liked watching Kramer.... he is a good actor. But if he had been a good on-stage comedian, he should've been able to handle a few idiots in the crowd without blowing up.

The guy came across as an over-amped coke head.
And, without the courage of his convictions, he's seen to be very, very weak, to boot.
A piss-poor horse to hitch your wagon to, IMO.
WhiteSword November 27th, 2006, 06:08 PM

It's so funny how a Jewish man calls a black man a nigger and then has to go to other black men(Rev. Jackson and Sharpton) and beg for forgivness. The same black men
who make anti-semetic comments about Jews. Did the mayor New Orleans have to make the rounds and explain his "Chocolate City" Comments to whites? Do the black rap
artist who sing about killing "crackas" and "whitey" ever get confronted about their hate filled lyrics? Until whites world wide unit against the people that are stealing our land
and raping and killing our people we will only see more and more of this.

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corrosive November 22nd, 2006, 07:31 AM

Controlling solids, liquids, gases with electro-magnetic frequencies. Yup the technology has finally advanced as shown in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLl3VAbUEGY
So many uses for such a product you can go crazy, some for example: weapon, propulsion, free energy*.
This video includes the effect of electro-magnetic frequencies on solids, liquids, each of which has its "own channel" or its own frequency at which it responds. I always knew
that people levitating just manipulated the magnetic fields of their body with their mind causing them to lift up. This has the same effect from, bending steel to lifting a 70lb.
cannon ball.
When I say each has its own channel, watch him manipulate the icecream in the cup, it slowly lifts up until he changes the frequency and it shoots up.
He also mentioned turning some metals into unknown elements after its exposure to some frequencies, and the government has had this since the late 70's !, imagine how far
they have gotten in advancement ae. Ion Engine for propulsion.
Definetly watch through the whole video.
Red Beret November 22nd, 2006, 07:53 AM

That's fascinating. Unable to watch the video though. Imagine how far the government has got with this! I'd like to know what types of propulsion systems they are using,
based on this.
This, I guess, would give totally silent propulsion. I once saw a "flying triangle" one night, over a built up residential area. It was totally silent, freaked me out. It was also
travelling at speeds that would stall a coventional craft. This technology may explain that. It'd sure beat Pulse Detonation Wave Propulsion. Maybe not in terms of speed
though.
ShadowMyGeekSpace November 22nd, 2006, 11:19 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_effect
There is no acceptance of Hutchison's claims among mainstream scientists. In a recent posting to the newsgroup sci.physics.research, Marc Millis, who formerly ran the now
defunct Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program for NASA, wrote:
The Hutchison Effect has been claimed for years, without any independent verification ever. In fact, its originator can't even replicate it on demand. This has been
investigated more than once, been part of documentaries on The Discovery Channel, but still never seems to pass critical muster. This is in the category of folklore. In general,
the "American Antigravity" web site caters to such folklore and its enthusiasts.
Marc G. Millis
Another problem with Hutchison's effect is that many of the effects shown, such as the levitation and heating of objects, can be produced by other physically established laws,
such as the Lorentz force and acoustic levitation (which uses ultrasonic waves to levitate objects of up to ten kilograms, and can work on any material, including water, wood,
metal and stone)
Hutchison states that he hasn't actually reproduced his effect since approximately 1991, though he continues to reject charges of fakery, and maintains that his "effect" has
been demonstrated many times in the presence of scientists and, he says, members of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command.
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience is linked from his wikipedia page too. Doesn't sound too interesting to me.
nbk2000 November 22nd, 2006, 07:53 PM

Yet another example of a discredited mumbo-jumbo 'force'. End thread.
megalomania November 22nd, 2006, 10:21 PM

A scientific principle that cannot be experimentally replicated every time is not science at all. Reproducibility is what makes science, science. Free energy is a pipe dream that
entices the scientifically illiterate. I ask this question: for all those websites that offer plans and blueprints of free energy machines and the like, how come they never actually
BUILD the devices if they are so simple?
nbk2000 November 22nd, 2006, 10:50 PM

This 'Hutchison Effect' is also suspiciously similiar in concept to what I've come to refer to as The Force.
You know...that Jedi ability to manipulate matter by will alone...or as former member Cutefix would say "Manipulate the Chi". :rolleyes:
The Forum is about science (for the most part) and events that are non-reproducible, not done in front of non-aligned witnesses, generate grandeous claims with no proof, and
otherwise subjected to trickery and fraud, don't belong here.
This are other places, besides here, for Cold-Fusion, Loc Ness, Big Foot, UFO's, and other such things to be discussed in a 'serious' manner. ;)

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MaHem87 Novem ber 23rd, 2006, 11:33 AM

Searching through the files I came across this;
T h e r e a r e t h e s e t h i n g s c a l l e d b o m b bags they are com prised of a thick 3 "x5" plastic bag filled with 5 gram s o f s o d i u m
b i c a r b o n a t e a n d a s m aller bag filled with about the sam e a m m o unt of Citric Acid. you can buy them from novelty places and
fairs and carnivals for $.50 each they are used by squeezing the sm aller bag and crushing it allowing the citric acid to come in
contact with the sodiu m bicarb o n a t e r e l e a s i n g g a s s e s t h a t p o p t h e b a g .
and would like to kno w anyone else has sim ilar ideas?:D
random136 Novem ber 24th, 2006, 12:20 AM

How the hell did this o n e g e t through? Yes, what you h a v e d e s c r i b e d is the basic principle b e h i n d t h a t Baking Powder and
Vine gar Volcano (with som e f o o d c o l o r i n g p o s sibly added in to give the lava a m o r e realistic look). You know, t h e t y p e k i d s i n
e l e m entary school build for their scien ce f airs . T h i s p r o c e s s i s a l s o u s e d t o p o p o p e n s t i n k b o m b s which is probably what you
were referring to.
All in all it wo u l d b e q u i t e p r e t e n t i o u s , n o t t o m ention incorrect, for anyb o d y t o a ctually la bel this process a s e x p l o s i v e o r t h e
d e v i c e d e s c r i b e d a b o v e a s a b o m b . T h e t h i n b a g s i m p l y p o p s b e c a u s e it can not hold or further com p r e s s t h e g a s f o r m e d
when the acid (citric a cid) reacts with the base (sodium bicarbonate). This illustrates a simple acid-base rea ction.
T h i s f o r u m d o e s not deal with such trivial, useless, children s p r a n k s . A s s t a t e d a t t h e t o p o f t h i s p a g e t h i s i s T h e E x p l o s i v e s

a n d W e a p o n s Forum a n d n o t t h e Activities for your Young Children to do on a Rainy Day Forum . Yet, I a m r a t h e r c u r i o u s a s
to why the m ods have let this one thro ugh.

I think its go od because it can be used to discus other pranks, childish and not.
A few I've he ard of are:
1. 'Short sheeting' wh ere you m a k e s o m eone bed so their sheets are just a little too short and the y cant pull them up.
2. Mouse traps of the light switches when people come hom e late at light.
3. Bucket of water above the door. (Everyone should know that one)

@ random - chill out, its the water cooler - you know, the place where you can talk about unrealted stuff without fear of
persecution.
I'm curious as to if th at quote is from the archive somewhere. Our post quality hasn't always been what it is today; before we
had the W/C stuff like this filtered through the rest of forum when people were bored and the active topics weren't all that
active.
As to why it got through - "Ours is not to question why." Leave it to the m o d s a n d a s s u m e they have a reason. If your really
worried try th e report post button.
MaHem87 Novem ber 24th, 2006, 08:09 AM

hey man...i can understand where your com ing from and i fully respect that,
i for one...am on a current restricted on what i can buy, etc etc.
i asked this on behalf of a fellow associate, and that i d id not know anym ore than what i found above. m y fellow associate, was
goin g to use it for "childs pay".
That Reflects Nothing Apon Me Nor My Activities.
Thank You
Mahem
and yes it was from the forum s o m ewhere and i give thanks to whoever it was..but i cannot find that individ ual so far.
++++++++++
The letter I is ALWAYS capitalized when referrin g to yourself. Failing to do so is th e l e a d i n g c a u s e o f n 0 0 b i e d e a t h s a r o u n d

here. ;) Correct in the future. NBK
random136 Novem ber 25th, 2006, 03:37 PM

I apologize, perhaps I was a little bit anal of th is thread, my post however was not all criticism . The atm osphere aro und this
f o r u m g i v e s m e t h e i m p r e s s i o n t h a t n e w s t a n d a r d s h a v e n o w b e e n i m p o s e d , a n d I d o n t m i n d t h a t o n e b i t . I a p p r e c i a t e the
stan d a r d s t h e m o d e r a t o r s h a v e i m p o s e d h e r e a n d I w a s m e r e l y t r y i n g t o u p h o l d t h e m .
F u r t h e r m o r e , I a m n o t a s k i n g why o f t h e m o d e r a t o r s i n order to im ply critique, but rathe r in orde r to learn the wisdom
behind their choices, so that I m a y o n e d a y e m ulate it in m y own choices.
However, since this thread has been deem ed acceptable by others I will partake.
cTech, in reading your number 3 suggestion I was reminded of a scene in a (foreign) film I once saw, where a blind war
vete ran sets up a bucket full of gasoline in a similar fashion on his door in his retirement home room . W h e n t h e a s s a i l a n t h e
w a s e x p e c t i n g c o m e s t h r o u g h t h e d o o r a n d g e t s s o a k e d t h e v e t e r a n h e a r s h i m a n d s i m ply lights a m atch and throws it at him .
Various im plications exist in this techn ique, as it would probably constitu te m urder r a t h e r t h e n a f u n n y p r a n k ( a n d the
inhe rent risks surrounding fire ), but this should be very sim ple to pull off by a sig h t e d m a n .
For a non- violent approach, there is always the possibility of substituting water in the bucket for another less desirable
substance such as super glue, paint, o r anim al feces. Hilarity ensues!
nbk2000 Novem ber 25th, 2006, 04:15 PM

W e can't be KILL! KILL! KILL! everyday. :p
Besides, you can practice your booby-trapping techniques and switches openly, just by setting off party-pop p e r s i n s t e a d o f
claym ores.
Get the kids interested and educated in the skills in a m anner that won't have the State taking them from y o u a s t h e y s e n d
you to prison forever.
J u s t h a v e s o m e fun! Life is a drag as it is, so live it up a little.
a_bab Novem ber 25th, 2006, 05:20 PM

How about m a k i n g a p i p e b o m b , b y a d d i n g s o m e s o d i u m bicarbonate and a jar o f vinegar, closing the cap, and then shaking
the device in order to break the jar? Is this a prank anym ore? I don't think so. Such a device would probably be able to
d e m o l i s h s o m ething m ade of wood.
Just im a g i n e : e a s y t o g e t a n d super cheap materials, "built in" tim er by the very nature of the device, power...
Match Novem ber 25th, 2006, 08:06 PM

Searching through the files I came across this;
Ahhh, the go od ol' Stink bom b. Som e o f m y g r e a t e s t m emories of junior highschool involve these little guys. :cool: Pinch the
pack and toss it in a friends locker, or in the foyer at lunch. Very useful for evacuating sheeple. Although som e h a p p e n t o b e
duds, but what can you expect for 75 cents.
Another good prank is the classic dog-shit-in-a-bag-on-fire-on-someones-door-step.
or the Tie-their-m ailb ox-to-their-door-knob.
T h e b e s t p o s s i b l e p r a n k i s w h e n s o m e o n e p a s s e s o u t o n your couch and you elevated the couch as high as you can, when the
victim s goes to get up for the inevitable m orning hungo ver piss, he gets a nice little suprise. :D
MaHem87 Novem ber 25th, 2006, 10:46 PM

LMao, I was in a fabric store a few weeks back and came across the poppers in th e christm as crack ers; was thinking about
surp ising a m ate or fam ily m ember by taping once side to a door and the other to the fram e. Not very inve ntive, but never the
less...still pathetic :P
Alexires Novem ber 25th, 2006, 11:34 PM

W hile it may seem a little kewlish, I th ink that there is definitely potential to this. Think outside the square .
My girlfriend's dad ha s a habit of putting booby traps around when she com es to m y house (He wa s in the army) and I drop
her hom e.
For instance, one night, it m ig ht be a pile of cans hooked up to a piece of fishing wire, where another thing it could be a bottle
n e a r t h e d o o r so when we ope n it, it m a k e s n o i s e .
Adapt this to something. Instead of needed steel wire for a claym ore or som e kind of fancy trip system, think about using
fishing line. Preform a lot of p ranks on people, so that you get a feeling for how to hide them , what works and what doesn't.
Even children can be an inspiration to those willing to listen.
And hell, you will learn that people only really appreciate original and intelligent p ranks. You won't norm ally get in trouble for
doin g a prank that doesn't hurt anyone and is extrem ely smart at the sa m e t i m e .
L e t s l o o k a t 1 e x a m p le. You know that old trick where you heat a coin up and throw it out into a co rridor so that when som e o n e
tries to pick it up, the y burn themselves? W ell, why heat the coin up? Wh y n o t u s e s o m e t h i n g e l s e ?
A little VX painted on a coin will have som e interesting effects.
Let your imagination run wild.
jimmyboy1 January 14th , 2 0 0 7 , 1 2 : 4 2 P M

http://www.m etacafe.com /watch/38347 4/neat_prank_windows_xp_hack/
I did this to a coworker (a very unpleasant one) - he fin ally brok e down and reinstalled XP to stop his m achine from shutting
down everytim e after pressing "Z" on his keyboard.... i cracked up so m uch..
Sausagemit January 15th , 2 0 0 7 , 0 8 : 5 9 P M

Pinch the pack and toss it in a friends locker, or in the foyer at lunch. Very useful for evacuating sheeple.
T h a t b r i n g s b a c k s o m e m e m o ries. Me and m y friends were a buch of fucking assholes.
T h e r e s t h e g o o d o l d s m ashing the hot-dog in the book trick right before christma s break. By the time they get back it's all
different shades of gross.
Another good one is to replace the contents of a m a g a z i n e e s e n t i a l f o r a class with filthy porn.
W e also put a live squirrel in a friends locker once. The hardest part was getting the squirrel in a backpack. Too bad he didn 't
open up his locker when the h alls were filled. :( The squirrel did make a m e s s t h o u g h .
ultma January 15th , 2 0 0 7 , 0 9 : 1 2 P M

W hen a frien d is asleep/intoxicated get some 0.1N Silver Nitrate and carefully paint a swazi or anything on there forehead,
dont get it in their eyes
and presto later on in the shower or some time later they have a black/b rown silvernitrate blood blister thin g thats sticks
a r o u n d f o r s o m e tim e
Match January 15th , 2 0 0 7 , 1 1 : 5 3 P M

W hen a frien d is asleep/intoxicated get some 0.1N Silver Nitrate and carefully paint a swazi or anything on there forehead,
dont get it in their eyes
and presto later on in the shower or some time later they have a black/b rown silvernitrate blood blister thin g thats sticks
a r o u n d f o r s o m e tim e
Thats just sa distic.
BUt that would be a n ice touch to put on bum s down town, you know, so that you know you've already 'dosed' that one.
c.Tech January 16th , 2007, 02:34 AM

Dilute potassium perm anganate solution should work too and its O TC.
tiac03 January 16th , 2 0 0 7 , 0 2 : 0 4 P M

My favorite Boobytr... Um m m I mean prank, was when we conne cted a half a bottle cap of AP to a clothespin trip wire, and
connected it to a m etal gate that our buddy had to open for work.
First priority was safety so we m ade sure that it was around the corner from him w h e n h e o p e n e d t h e g a t e s o t h a t n o t h i n g
would hit him when it went off.
W e set it at around 8 pm , and warned the grou p about staying away from the are a. Finally at 11 we were all sitting waiting and
watching as he walked towards the gate. He swings it open and.... Nothing.
Finally just as we started thinking "O h no a dud" the bottle cap went off and our buddy almost shit a brick. The look on his face
is still burned into m y m ind and everytim e we rem e m ber that night we still laugh.
The delay was about 1.5 seconds give or take. My close st thought as to why there was a d elay was the initiator I m a d e . I t o o k
a christmas bulb, broke off the tip, filled it with homem ade BP and held that in with a bit of cotton.
My BP was just m i x e d so It didn't have anywhere near the quality of the comm ercial stuff.
It burns slow And by the tim e it burned out of the bulb (or had enough force to crack it) m y b u d d y h a d h a d e n o u g h t i m e t o l e t
g o o f t h e g a t e a n d t u rn to face us, which I think made it much b etter tha n had he still been facing the gate.

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I cam e across an article 'http://www.da naquarium.com/article.php?story=2005021 8182306134' that states that a British
company came out with a nuclear battery (NB) to be used in laptops. I was not able to confirm this from any other resource,
which leads me to believe that this is a joke. Does anyone know if there is ANY truth to this? Anyone knows about the cost/watt
of NBs.
Background.
Nuclear Batteries have been used for more than half a century for applications that require long-term power regardless of cost.
NBs convert the energy associated with the decay of a nucleus into usable electric energy. Many isotopes are used for this
p u r p o s e . T h e s e i s o t o p e s a r e g e n e r a l l y o f m oderate halflives (months to years) and are self-fissioning and/or alpha / b e t a
e m itters.
I t s e e m s i m probable to have a nuclear-powered laptop battery, as the cost would be prohibitively high. For example, to have a
7 0 W att tritium -based battery you would have to have : P=IV 70W =(5.7keV/decay)*(3.7E1 0decay/Ci)(#Ci)/6.28E18, solving for
n u m ber of Curies, 2.08E6Ci of activity (ideal case).
Give n 20% efficiency with latest techno logy, thats 10^7C i!!!! Thats enorm ous from the regulation point of view, I dont see
anything of this nature getting licensed for public use. Even considering mass-pro duction, and use of radioisotopes that are of
fission byproduct type (rad-wa ste), the cost of so much radioactive material is going to be in dosens, or even hundredths of
thousands USD.
Chris The Great Novem ber 25th, 2006, 01:54 AM

The nuclear power will trickle charge the norm al battery, so it will get rech arged without getting plugged in. At least, that is if
this isn't a hoax, but it seem s reasonable. I've seen this technology be discussed for this application before.
knowledgehungry Novem ber 25th, 2006, 03:57 AM

This technology is used to power m any space p robes, such as th e New Horizons probe. 'http://www.space.com/spacenews/
b u s i n e s s m o n d a y _ 0 4 1 0 0 4 . h t m l'
The technolo gy is called a radioisotope thermal generator 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_therm oelectric_generator'
As to it's use for powering laptops, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be used other than it see m s a b i t u n n e c e s s a r y a n d
expensive.
ShadowMyGeekSpace Novem ber 25th, 2006, 04:16 AM

e x p e n s i v e . B e c a u s e t h e s h e e p l e b e l i e v e a n y t h i n g a n d e v e r y t h i n g nuclear is bad... never m ind that they've got atleast one or
two sm o k e a l a r m s in their house, which contain a little amm o u n t o f a m ericium , or the radiation CR Ts generate, etc etc.
simply RED Novem ber 25th, 2006, 06:26 PM

I a m strongly FO R nu clear energy! But this one idea is not very practical...

This depends on what the laptop will be used for. A US Army sniper hooked up with the latest techno gear, display screens, and
im aging sensors on day 15 of his perch could benefit from a nuclear battery. Oceanographic explorers on e xtended underwa ter
dives might as well. Basically any com puting application in a rem ote area that can't use solar powe r could b enefit from a
nuclear battery. You will not see these used for extended gam ing sessions in Alie nware laptops, or anything for civilian use. As
if laptop batteries were not ex p e n s i v e e n o u g h
Element13 Novem ber 26th, 2006, 10:17 PM

Nuclear batteries m ay never be available to civilians, bu t it is possible to get what I like to call a nuclear powered flashlight.
They are con sidered a trivial use of nukes by the governm e n t a n d a r e s u p p o s e d t o b e a v a i l a b l e o n l y t o m ilitary and law
enforcem ent personnel.
Tritium is used to excite a phosphor with beta particles. This results in a very dim light that slowly becomes dim m er. I've seen
an example of one that still gives off light 20 years after it was m anufactured. Th e half-life of tritium is about 12 years. It
does not give of much light but it's enough to read a map in total darkness if your eyes are fully a dapted to the dark.
T h e y a r e s u p p o s e d l y s a f e b e c a u s e n o g a m m a radiation is created.

There are a few item s available to the public th at are loaded with tritium . Tritium is used for illumination in those ca ses. It is
not terribly difficult to find displays, signs, keychains etc. that use tritium. Such item s will have activity up to dozens of curies.
Now that I think abou t it, I am surprised that we don't h ear of people extracting H-3, making water out of it and the n using it
to cause disturbance in public places. Few curies in the right place would certainly get media attention, just start speaking in
term s of disintegratio n s p e r s e c o n d a n d you have a story. Now if som e b o d y d i s c o v e r s q u e s t i o n a b l e c h e m icals in your garage
and a bottle labeled as "tritium -water" next to them, yo u a r e b o u n d t o b e f a m o u s .
thunderbird Novem ber 27th, 2006, 11:25 AM

This technology is used to power m any space p robes, such as th e New Horizons probe. 'http://www.space.com/spacenews/
b u s i n e s s m o n d a y _ 0 4 1 0 0 4 . h t m l'
The technolo gy is called a radioisotope thermal generator 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_therm oelectric_generator'
expensive.
I know that a R a d i o i s o t o p e g e n e r a t o r o p e r a t e s o n t h e b a s i s o f t h e r m o - e l e c t r i c i t y . T h i s m e a n s t h a t a s e m i-conductor plate is
c o o l e d o n o n e s i d e ( i n t h e c a s e o f f o r e x a m p l e t h e V o y a ger probes, the cold of sp a c e ) , a n d h e a t e d on the other(the decaying
isotope block) the difference in temperature will set up a voltage difference between the two sides of the plate, crea ting an
electric battery.
It would be a bit hard to achie ve the required tem eprature difference on earth without exp e n s i v e a n d b u l k y e q u i p m e n t a n d / o r
danger of radiation dam age to the populace.
Therefore, I don't really see h ow a nuclear-powered laptop could exist...

Now that I think abou t it, I am surprised that we don't h ear of people extracting H-3, making water out of it and the n using it
to cause disturbance in public places. Few curies in the right place would certainly get media attention, just start speaking in
term s of disintegratio n s p e r s e c o n d a n d you have a story. Now if som e b o d y d i s c o v e r s q u e s t i o n a b l e c h e m icals in your garage
and a bottle labeled as "tritium -water" next to them, yo u a r e b o u n d t o b e f a m o u s .
Or considering the wa y the press loves hyperbo le all you need is a bottle of tritium water taped to a pipe bom b left on a bus to
b e f o u n d b y p o l i c e a n d w e h a v e " N U C L E A R D I R T Y B O M B A T T A C K N A R R O W LY AVOIDED!"
atlas#11 Novem ber 28th, 2006, 01:30 PM

So now were trying to get a bad nam e ? D o n ' t f e e d t h e m e d i a , t h e g o v e r n m e n t h a s s t a g e d enough terrorism already.
I think the m icro-turb ines they're working on have a bit more prom i s e t h a n d u m p ing fissable m aterials into consum er items.
Nuclear powe r is neat, and effective, but its not going to be released to civilians a ny tim e s o o n .
Lance000 D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 12:21 AM

I know that a R a d i o i s o t o p e g e n e r a t o r o p e r a t e s o n t h e b a s i s o f t h e r m o - e l e c t r i c i t y . T h i s m e a n s t h a t a s e m i-conductor plate is
c o o l e d o n o n e s i d e ( i n t h e c a s e o f f o r e x a m p l e t h e V o y a ger probes, the cold of sp a c e ) , a n d h e a t e d on the other(the decaying
isotope block) the difference in temperature will set up a voltage difference between the two sides of the plate, crea ting an
electric battery.
It would be a bit hard to achie ve the required tem eprature difference on earth without exp e n s i v e a n d b u l k y e q u i p m e n t a n d / o r
danger of radiation dam age to the populace.
I just have to add som ething here. Radioisotopic Therm oelectric Generators are just as su itable for use on earth. In fact, the
pola r/arctic region coast of Russia are filled with unmanned lighthouses, powered by RTG's. The Kola peninsula is full of them .
They are powered by Strontium-90, and contain thousands of TBq of radiation per unit, with no ill effects on the surroundings.
It is when these devices are decom missioned, that they are left un-checked and rusting/breaking up, that they becom e
hazardous.
The radiation from RTG's is usually Beta particles, which can be shielded with very sm all am ounts of m ass, like a quarter inch
of steel, etc.
Acrolein D e c e m ber 21st, 2006 , 06:22 PM

I d o r e m e m b e r s e i n g a e p e s o d e o f N o v a a b o u t t h a t s o m e y e a r s b a c k , b u t i t s e e m s o u t t h ere to have a nuclear powered
laptop.:rolleyes: Does anyone know th e p a t e n t n u m ber for these batteries?:confused: It would be nice to know how to extract
it. The nuclear m aterial could have plenty of uses:)

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rayman Novem ber 26th, 2006, 11:51 AM

Bein g a newbie here I realy dont want to cause any waves, but b eing a researcher I must say what piss's m e off is reading
threads and seeing things like this
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or
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That realy piss's me off, If you make an error and wish to correct it edit your post or repost with edit's, Please do not delete
you post, or edit it so that the following 6 or 10 posts are of no use, How are we to learn what you did wrong so that we can
learn from your m i s t a k e s i f y o u d e l e t e t h e m
I can under stand if a m od rem oves / m o v e s / d e l e t e s i t o r e d i t s a s n e e d e d , b u t t h e y a t l e a s t l e a v e a r e a s o n f o r d o i n g s o
Thank you for allowing m e this time to get that out :)
Edited this post to include ... Pictures
D a m n I hate reading some ones post saying lots of good things about whats in the picture .. that is no longer viewable, post
your pics on this server please so we can all see what your talking about 4 years from now
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W e now disable the a bility to edit a post after several hours because of this very reason. Som e very good inform ation was
r e d a c t e d c a u s i n g s u b s e q u e n t p o s t s t o s e e m out of context. The staff only removes content that is in violation of the rules
including spam advertism e n t s , r e p e a t e d i n f o , v i r u s / s c a m l i n k s , a n d d a n g e r o u s s t u p i d i t y q u o t e d f r o m c r a p b o o k s .

The ability to host pictures on the site was only added recently (last year?).
W e also don't delete users, sim ply banning them, since that would remove the details of who posted what, due to the way the
board software works.
rayman Novem ber 27th, 2006, 09:02 PM

I u n d e r s t a n d , in regards to pictures its rather annoying when people use photobucket or what have you and when there albam s
are full or wh at have you they delete p ictures to make room for pics of there cats playing ...
Its good to know that you have added picture capabiltie s to the forum, I being a newer mem b e r a n d a l s o a n e w b i e t o
chemistry need all the info I can get to stay safe and keep all m y fingers and toes while learning and expe rimenting in this
field ( think twice act once )
I would also like to take this time to thank Nbk m e g a a n d a l l t h e o t h e r s t h a t h a v e m a d e t h i s f o r u m a g r e a t r e s o u r c e

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We all love dreams, find them interesting, weird, happy, and horrible.
What has been a distinct dream that you remember? It could be crazy, w hacked, blissful, pointless, strange or the best type of dream SEX ;).
I dont have many that stick in my mind for over a w eek but once I did have a dream that started as a horrible kidnapping turning into something m uch better.
From w hat I remember it goes something like this.

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I was trapped, being held captive somew here, possibly in a cell. I used different techniques to get out (I think lock piking was one of them) and finally broke free.
When I got outside I realised the forest was much like the one on kissing girls although luckily I w asn t getting raped when held captive.
I then realised I w as next to 3 other guys who broke out at the same time as me (they were obviously prisoners too)
Suddenly I got the urge to go back, they came back w ith me and in the house w e broke free from there were 4 chicks :D, one for each of us and I knew one of them, the
others were her friend.
You can tell w hat happened from there, it turned into the best type of dream.
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Now I would love to hear of your dreams and/or nightmares if its not too much trouble.
fiknet November 26th, 2006, 12:33 PM

The problem w ith dreams is that I have had many vivid ones but I often forget them within moments of waking up, I might consider a dream log but they really don't serve
much of an important purpose other then simple amusement.
One enjoyable dream that I remember is that it w as a real nice night and I w as outside my house and I could fly, then I began flying around my neighborhood and had a pretty
good feeling.
Sometimes when I dream I can reach a semi-lucid state, mainly in nightmares where I know it's a dream and I desperately try to wake from it before pain is inflicted.
L012DofWAR November 26th, 2006, 03:48 PM

The most memorable dream that I've had was a disturbing one, and I've had it multiple times. In it, I start off flying through a black sky. Below me is a city made of dark
brown sand. All of the cars, people, roads and buildings are all made of the same color sand, yet I can see distinct features such as people's faces, lines in the road and stop
lights. Each time, there is a voice that gives me a "tour" of the city and introduces me to different people. Each time it's different, and hard to remember very many details of
the tour. Sort of creepy though...:eek:
On a separate note, I heard that dreams are cause by small amounts of DMT being released into the brain, since all animals release small amounts. That w ould also explain why
filknet and many others forget their dreams soon after w aking up. Some say that DMT is also released w hen the human body is near death, and why humans see things they
claim to be "crossing over," when really, they are just tripping and about to die. 'http://w ww.youtube.com/w atch?v=grcqs9cDuN8' Here's where I heard about that for the first
time, but I have read about the dreams in a few other places.

Hmmm, dreams eh?
My favorite one w ould have to be the one where I am floating. Kind of running around, but levitating about 5 inches of the ground.
The dream that has stuck in my mind for years w as this
I was in a dark old house, with other orphans. The keepers always told us that the landscape outside was scotched, and that to venture out would be certain death.
So we hid within the house. We were also told that there were rats in the walls, and that if we weren't in bed or something like that by a certain time, we would be eaten alive.
I developed a burning desire to know what the outside looked like. One evening, I found a hole in the w all of an abandoned section that a rat had chewed through, and before
me was the most beautiful landscape I had ever seen. Flowers so thick it was impossible to see the ground, against the backdrop of the setting sun.
*smile* I remember that dream still, and wish I could have it again.
Noticable things about it are, the whole dream was in black and w hite until i looked outside. Only the outside was in colour, and until that moment i forgot w hat it was like to
see colour, so you can imagine the shock.
This dream has happened to me countless times. If I had to guess, I would say at least 20 times through my life.
Seeing that outside landscape was bittersweet, as it w as so beautiful, but I knew I was going to die when I w as caught.
Most incredible.
knowledgehungry November 27th, 2006, 02:27 AM

The w orst dreams I have ever had are, after a hard day's work dreaming all night that I am still working, and then upon waking from my dream realizing that I am late for
work. By the end of the day you feel like you have w orked 60 hours straight. Not fun.
Unfortunately I dream these sort of dreams rather often. I have even "sleep worked" on occassion. I work for UPS and have to load packages all night, one night I woke up to
find myself trying to load my pillow s under my bed.

*shudder* fuck that. Sleep time is MY time. The day that starts happening, I'm going to take a long holiday (rest of my life).
Really though, that is absolute bullshit. Anything you can do about it? (The work, not the dreams)

The most frustrating thing that happens in m y dreams (usually makes m e wake up because its s o frustrating) is when people piss me off so much (usually friends I dont know why) I
try to hit them, but when I try to throw a punch I realise my hits are so w eek it doesn t even hurt them, then they usually start laughing w hich piss es me off even more.
I think this is because of the lack of physical capability that I have w hen sleeping caries over to my dreams and as I m unable to sw ing strong punches whilst sleeping it doesnt feel like
Im punching in my dream.
Has anybody else experienced this?
fiknet November 28th, 2006, 01:26 AM

The w orst dreams I have ever had are, after a hard day's work dreaming all night that I am still working, and then upon waking from my dream realizing that I am late for
work. By the end of the day you feel like you have w orked 60 hours straight. Not fun.
I myself have experienced a few of these mainly after a stressful day and I agree they are awful. Normally I will wake up around 3 am and still be thinking in this "Dream
Logic" state w here I'm aw ake, tired as hell and trying get back to sleep while still trying to package fast food under my pillow or do school homework in my head.

I've had those 'Work while Sleeping' dreams, and completely agree that they suck. :(
I also sometimes have dreams of being back in prison. THAT SUCKS!

Then there's my favorite dream of being gang-raped by my harem of supermodels (I wish I actually had such dreams! :p).
I had one dream recently where I dreamed that I was killing feral cats and, w hen I was about to butt-stroke a w ounded one with my rifle, my bitch aunt grabbed the rifle and
was about to hit me with it when I kicked her in the guts. :)
That's when I woke up on the floor w ith my hip hurting from when I kicked out in my sleep and threw myself out of bed in the process. :D

I think this is because of the lack of physical capability that I have w hen sleeping caries over to my dreams and as I m unable to sw ing strong punches whilst sleeping it doesnt feel like
Im punching in my dream.
I've read that during sleep, a hormone is released that causes a kind of paralysis.
Keeps people from undue activity while sleeping that could get them hurt.
I used to partially awake and couldn't move, I think this might have been the cause.
knowledgehungry November 28th, 2006, 11:55 PM

There isn't much you can do to stop the dreams from happening. Dreams are the subconcious' w ay of dealing with stress and problems, so if your w ork day has been stressful it
often w ill carry over into the dreamworld. Since UPS is a high stress job I just have to deal w ith it, although the dreams have grown less as I grow more used to the job. That is
one of many reasons why I am not planning on being working there by this time next year.
Alexires November 29th, 2006, 02:10 AM

Fucking Ace knowledgehungry.
As I said, I'd get rid off a job like that as soon as I could. For instance, I loath being at my current job, and its a waste of my life to spend 40 hours a week doing something I
hate doing. So soon, I will being into retail (I hope).
Chris The Great December 4th, 2006, 04:45 AM

The most frustrating thing that happens in m y dreams (usually makes m e wake up because its s o frustrating) is when people piss me off so much (usually friends I dont know why) I
try to hit them, but when I try to throw a punch I realise my hits are so w eek it doesn t even hurt them, then they usually start laughing w hich piss es me off even more.
I connected solidly, I think. I was more concerned because I hit the wall hard enough to take the skin off a few of my knuckles. It w as not a fun way to wake up!
He hit me in the back, and I turned around and slugged him... aka the w all. And I slugged him pretty hard, unfortunately.
Jacks Complete December 4th, 2006, 10:41 AM

It's not a hormone, it is a part of the brain that inhibits movement. The idea is that it reduces almost any movement right down, if not totally suppressed, to prevent you hurting
yourself or others. Doesn't always quite work, of course, and sleepwalkers have some serious issues.
I'm trying to unlearn lucid dreaming. It's a nightmare to always be aw ake. I'm getting there.
Cobalt.45 December 4th, 2006, 05:33 PM

It's not a hormone, it is a part of the brain that inhibits movement.
And the part of the brain that does this, does it with hormones.:rolleyes:
It's thought that melatonin has a function in it...
Jome skanish December 4th, 2006, 10:59 PM

Well, I keep a dream log next to my bed in an effort to start having lucid dreams...
This one entry:
I'm trespassing in a big house, it is filled with old trash, and I'm looking for things of worth.
I keep walkning through the house, seeing that it is actually an enormous labyrinth with dozens of rooms. Some of them has doors to the outside, but all of these doors seem to
lead to different outsides..
After a while I'm told (or, rather mysteriously "know") that I've arrived at an anchorpoint of reality where I have the opportunity to see possible futures.
I see a big house on a slope facing a lake, and I remember clearly how much I w ant that happy, rich family-life to happen.
I could even draw the house so clear I see it, it's one of those one-and-a-half store (or, more likely 2,5) houses they build in slopes, with a triangular section facing the lake and
a pyramidesqe layout of the bigger roof. A wood-deck veranda goes along the frontside, and the whole design is weirdly norse-futuristic. There also is five children and a blond
woman w hose face I never see, but she's there.
I wake up feeling an uncomfortable emptyness, the image of the house being everyhing my life isn't. Like my unconscious designed the dream to remind me that things
currently suck.

Would it be possible to dream of doing or committing something that would be against your "moral conscience"?
I read somewhere long ago, that this would be unlikely.
I have had a dream off and on for as long as I can remember, of finding and picking up coins that are laying on the ground.
Sometimes, there are just a few, more often, many. This may occur during a dream that has nothing to do w ith it. Weird.
Lance000 December 5th, 2006, 11:02 PM

On a separate note, I heard that dreams are cause by small amounts of DMT being released into the brain, since all animals release small amounts. That w ould also explain why
filknet and many others forget their dreams soon after w aking up. Some say that DMT is also released w hen the human body is near death, and why humans see things they
claim to be "crossing over," when really, they are just tripping and about to die. 'http://w ww.youtube.com/w atch?v=grcqs9cDuN8' Here's where I heard about that for the first
time, but I have read about the dreams in a few other places.
Trust me, it's the complete opposite. Dreams are real, meatspace is just a waste of time. But we exist to dominate BOTH "locations", so don't go killing yourselves just yet...
Think I'm rambling? That's normal. But every time I've been arrested, I've seen it happen in my dreams way ahead of time, and almost exactly the way it happens. From an
"observer" point of view. I am all around everyone, the police, myself, everyone. I am in the air too, above. But I tell you, there is some weird stuff out there that I can't
explain yet.
But some things have happened in different ways than they were dreamt. I don't know for sure if it's because I have been 100% ON and watching every move I make, so as to
not do anything that w ill cause the events to happen, but the net effect seems to become the same result as the outcome of my dreams, but through other ways.
I get these things in non-sleeping conditions too, like once I dropped my mom off at the "interstate" bus terminal, and SMACK i got this feeling that some man was going to
threaten her on the bus. She had just gottened on the bus when I got it, but I told her to call me from her cellphone if she w anted anything, so the day passed and she called
me after getting to her destination, and told me this drunk guy had been harassing her and other passengers, and she had talked back to him, prompting manhandling by the
drunk, and some heavy bruises on her arm. I asked her w hy she hadn't called me, but she said "I grew up in the city, I can handle myself as well as you" yeah, right... she's
weak and grew up in the nice old 60's.
We have a tradition for listening to our dreams and gut feelings up here, (I'm from scandinavia by the w ay...) but people don't pay attention to these things anymore. On
Iceland the people can actually still say that they believe in their dreams, because everyone believes in it, and it's not populare to call people crazy because they have more
information flowing to them from various sources. If you dream that your fishing boat goes down on iceland, then you don't fish for a couple of days. It's that simple. That's
what I do too. Just steer clear of everything that can remotely get you in trouble. That's what I think dreams are really for.
knowledgehungry January 28th, 2007, 11:38 AM

I just had the craziest dream last night.
In the dream I was at a bar, but the bar had been closed to the public and instead it was filled with people from here. I forget w hich members. It w as pretty cool just to sit at a
bar and shoot the shit about E@W with people.
tiac03 January 29th, 2007, 01:26 AM

I miss nightmares. I havn't had a good ol' scare you awake dream since I was in gradeschool. Think it is from desensitizing myself to violence w ith movies and internet.
I have had the "Punching dreams" and the "trying to runaway from something but being pushed back by the wind" (or some other unseen force) dreams and the most
aggrevating ones, the "have a gun to shoot things with but they don't fire" dreams.
One recurring Dream I used to have as a child was having to walk into a waist deep body of water inorder to trip a lever to empty the water (different levers every time
though). Once the lever was tripped a whirlpool formed and I had to get out of the water before it pulled me under. Landscape w as alw ays desolate.
Last couple of dreams I remember were to do with being part of a team that is given orders and equipment (fun equipment at that) to carry out certain missions involving the A
word. Alw ays woke up before we took anyone out... damned phones... lol
Lewis January 29th, 2007, 03:12 AM

It's fairly ironic because the dreams we are prematurely awoken from are the only ones w e can remember!
Think how many grand finales we've had from dreams that had enough time to draw to their conclusion because of complete sleep, only to suffer amnesia from it!
c.Tech January 29th, 2007, 05:17 AM

It's fairly ironic because the dreams we are prematurely awoken from are the only ones w e can remember!
You can actually remember your other dreams if you write them down as soon as you wake, its one of the things you need to do to teach yourself lucid dreaming. This becomes
a bitch when your trying to write them down whilst tired every morning.
I used to have reoccurring dreams or characteristics as a child, one of the things that was in a few of my dreams is the inability to call for help. I would get to a point where fear had
overcome me and I couldn t m ove then w hen I finally snapped out of it I yelled at the top of my lungs but nothing w ould come out, how much I feared for my life multiplied by 10 then I
woke up because I was too scared.
I used to have falling dreams as well, one where I would be falling and falling and falling with nothingness around me just black, then I hit the bottom.
Another reoccurring dream I had was where I was trying to save a friend at school from some guy with a gun, it was only us 3 and I hid him then tried to get him to safety.
When I finally got him out I got shot.
A reoccurring dream my father had was quite creepy, he w as standing on a beach next to a short black man who he said looks Sri Lankan. They saw the water getting pulled
out, looked at each other and said, "We better run."
2 weeks after the 2nd time he had the dream the Asian tsunami disaster happened.
anonymous411 January 30th, 2007, 04:31 AM

If you're having troubled sleep, you might want to take an extra B-complex vitamin and another 50mg of niacin (B3):
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Ebben et al., investigated the effect of pyridoxine (vitamin B6) on dreams in a placebo-controlled, double-blinded study. The researchers examined if vitamin B6 increased
dream vividness or the ability to recall dreams. A dozen college students participated in three treatment conditions (ingesting either 100mg B6, 250mg B6, or a placebo prior to
bedtime) for a period of five consecutive days.
Findings show ed a significant difference in dream-salience scores (measures included vividness, bizarreness, emotionality, and color) between the 250mg condition and placebo.
Vitamin B6 might increase cortical arousal during periods of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep, the researchers suggested.
P. Chan et al. investigated the safety and efficacy of vitamin B complex capsules in a double-blinded, placebo-controlled study in elderly patients w ith severe nocturnal leg
cramps. After three months of the study, 86 percent of the patients taking vitamin B had prominent remission of leg cramps, whereas the placebo group experienced no
difference. The frequency, intensity and duration of nocturnal leg cramps were reduced. Vitamin B complex is a relatively safe and effective alternative, which clinicians should
consider in the treatment for nocturnal leg cramps.
Other studies suggest that vitamin B12 may maintain the homeostasis of sleep and/or w ake cycles, improve the sleep quality and increase alertness in a work environment.
cyclosarin January 30th, 2007, 07:58 AM

I don't think I've ever had recurring dreams, mine seem to be based strongly on things I've recently experienced such as movies or events from the previous day.
I've tried recording dreams but I usually assume that I'll still remember it later on.

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itslenders Novem ber 27th, 2006, 04:34 AM

I a m not sure if this is a stupid question (I did a search and found nothing) but is it possible to convert Toluene to Phenol b y
any simple m ethod?
Tolu ene is easy to com e by (even available at hardware stores) but Phenol is very difficult and expensive to get.

T h a t d e p e n d s o n w h a t your definition of sim ple is. It is not that difficult to oxidize toluene t o b e n z o i c a c i d u s i n g p o t a s s i u m
permanganate among many other oxidizing reagents; a procedure I believe is on my website.
The benzoic acid then undergoes further oxidation to phenol. Molten benzoic acid a n d c a t a l y t i c a m o u n t s o f m a g n e s i u m
b e n z o a t e a n d c u p r i c b e n z o a t e (form ed by reacting copp e r o x i d e a n d m a g n e s i u m oxide with benzoic acid) are sparged with air
a n d s t e a m . Phenol then distills off.
For m ore specifics on the latter process see US patent 3,929,911, and for a less efficient, but lab scale reaction see US patent
2,762,838.
There are other ways, but that is the top method using toluene as a starting material.

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CosmikDebris Novem ber 27th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Has anyone ever heard of or used this supplier?
T h i s g u y s e e m s all to helpful to m e, bringing up things we dream about.:confused:
'http://www.d bcpyrotechnics.co m/servlet/StoreFront'
pearlcrash911 Novem ber 27th, 2006, 11:07 PM

All o f the chemicals were bought on eb ay and at united nuclear.
All o f the fuse was bo ught at pyrocreations.
All o f the misc. was bought at united nuclear.
All o f the novelty fireworks were bought at skylighter.
All o f the plans and k its are easily found for free on google.
All o f the salute cannons were bought at pyrocreations.
All o f the shells were bought at pyrocreations.
All o f the special effects item s were bought at skylighter.
Everything else was bought at united n uclear.
I would highly advise buying from their original source, because all of his prices are double what th ey are really worth.
H e m a y b e a nice guy, but he wasted a lot of tim e putting together this site.
CosmikDebris Novem ber 28th, 2006, 01:01 PM

Thanks for the heads up!:)

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Must have been a lot of work!
I especially like the "Get New Posts" link.:cool:
Thanks!

There is probably more to com e, check out the thread (Forum shutdown week)
random136 Novem ber 28th, 2006, 02:18 AM

It's funny, I haven't been here all that long, alm ost a year now. Looking at both of your join dates I now see why you two think
this is a new look.
This is what the forum u s e d t o l o o k l i k e f o r q u i t e s o m e time until just a few m onths back. For the exact date, one would have
to search out another thread authored by Megalom a n i a .
Oh, and the "Get New Posts since your visit" button is available in one of the two previous forum lo oks as well, it was just under
the Q uick Links tab som ewhere.
P e r s o n a l l y , I m i s s e d s e e i n g t h e g o o d o l d E & W m otto of beating plowshears into swords, because it's sym bolic of what we stu dy
here every day.

I knew what it looked like, I use to visit here a lot before I registered as user. Just thought we were going back to the older
look that I personally like better. But then I saw on the home page top right corner "Last Update August 18, 2004" and
realised it would probably only be tem porary.

I a m reverting som e of the cu stom templates, so I switched to the default one fo r now. Don't get used to it...

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electricdetonator Novem ber 28th, 2006, 09:41 AM

That's the idea:
Buy eight cheap sprin g airguns cal .177 BB should be OK

Disa s s e m ble the guns into the barrels and spring parts, throw away the stocks
Build four round receivers to p ut the barrels and springparts
Build a receiver like a corkscrew around the spring parts
Build a slope receiver and put it between the beginning and end of the corkscrew part, going towards the barrels
Build som e levers to bend the springs when traveling through the corkscrew part
Use a bigger electro engine with gear to drive it
Build a big container fitting into the gap between the ba rrels
Put a sim p l e m a g n e t o n t h e e nd of every barre l for loading
P o u r s o m e thousand steel BBs into the container
Switch on the engine and have fun
W hat do you think ?

W ould it be practical or just a waste of time ?
The idea is that the lever at the slope part will be set free and fire the BB out of the barrel.
It wont be accurate at all but with let's say 600 rpm s it'll be a rof of 4800 BBs per minute ;)
I know there are airsoft guns m im icing the real M134 7,62 m m gatling but I think that's the easiest way to build your own
gatling with some mo re power then these ;)
C o m ments welcome ;)
Mr. 47 Novem ber 28th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Its already been done but its still a cool idea.
'http://www.m ontysm iniguns.com /forsalestuff.htm '

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DMSOnMyVeins Novem ber 29th, 2006, 08:26 PM

Just watched inside edition and they had a story on the key bum p i n g v i d e o s a v a i l a b l e o n y o u t u b e .
Acco rding to inside edition the re is an international uproar over these videos being m a d e a v a i l a b l e on youtube. I'll be
downloading all the keybum ping videos in case they are pulled from y o u t u b e a n d I'll upload them to rapidshare and post the
links here so that our freedom is not inhibited.
Skean Dhu Novem ber 29th, 2006, 08:59 PM

Theres already a wonderful rather definitive video guide to bum pkey-ing , by an online lockpicking group http://www.toool.nl/
inde x - e n g . p h p
S o u n l e s s t h e y o u t u b e v i d e o s a r e a n y t h i n g e x c e p t i o n a l o r h a v e a m azing revelations you're more o r less wa sting your tim e.
rayman Novem ber 29th, 2006, 09:43 PM

I would think that the m ore different sources for inform ation the better, No matter that they m ay n ot be 'anything exceptional'
Match Novem ber 29th, 2006, 11:00 PM

I'm sure it's just a ploy to get more awareness for you-tube for the eventual turn around to a profit generating venture. Play
the sheeple, Play the sheeple.
W e b s i t e s l i k e g o o g l e , w i k i p e d i a , m y s p a c e a n d y o u - t u b e worry me.
Nihilist Novem ber 30th, 2006, 03:17 PM

Don't you love their logic?
"Our security devices are so poorly made that internet videos are teachin g k i d s h o w t o b y p a s s t h e m . L e t ' s d e m o n i z e t h e
authors of th e videos.".
Fucking idiots.

W hether or not the in formation is valuable, or if it is bunk, is entirely irre levant to the situation at hand. Th e fact is the
information is perceived by the media to be dangerous, harmful, and by extrapolating that logic, to be valid useful knowledge.
The sheeple are led to believe it, so it must be so.
I can alm ost guarantee that the videos will be pulled because of the negative publicity the Tube is getting. However, the videos
will be pulled after Tu be rides the wave of controversy and everyone gets to download them , and then Tube will get more
publicity for being responsible once they are rem oved.
It should be self evident that a rock can just as easily b e used to smash a window to break in, just as it should be a m atch to
gasoline m akes just as much a bom b as a pou nd of acetone peroxide. These teenagers did not create the key bum ping
techniques, they didn t even popularize the videos. The lock industry figured this stuff out, and the m edia popularized it.
I h e a r d o f t h i s i s s u e e a r l i e r t o d a y b e c a u s e s o m eone I know was complaining about the availability of dangerous information

on the Internet. I said there are lock picking books at the public library, and there is a locksm ith in every town with this
knowledge. No inform a t i o n i s d a n g e r o u s , n o t o o l i s a w e a p o n , a n d n o s k i l l i s h a r m f u l U N T I L a p e r s o n c h o o s e s t o d o s o m e t h i n g
wrong with it. Blame the Internet, blam e the cam era m anufacturers, hell blam e m e for all thats worth, but whatever you do
dont blam e the people responsible. No one wo uld have been the wiser to these videos excepting the m edia choose to run the
story over and over and over. Now the cat is out of the bag.
W hats the big secret anyway? Like I just mentioned, a rock can just as easily smash a window. People have been p icking locks
since there were locks. This is not som e dark classified secret, but kids d oing what kids do: break stuff.

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Isotoxin December 1st, 2006, 02:31 AM

Doesn't this seem very similar to the sort of thing we are against? Duplication of effort at the least - selling information that you didn't create at most.
In my haste I commited an error.
Eliteforum posts on SMDB plugging his website
Adding insult to stealing he makes yet another hive in a manner so similar to the guy that ran synthetihkal
A quote from his site:
"
Due to the site being so new, we have not yet got our book section online, but below is a small sample list of what we will have in stock. Once we are at full capacity, we will
have over 1,000 books either for download, or for sale.
Below is a small list of the kind of books we will be hosting and selling. The list shows just a small sample of the kind of books we will be carrying, and the full list that we hope
to implement soon is in excess of 1,000!
Blowguns, The Breath of Death
Expedient Breaking and Entering
The Black Book Companion
The Blasters Training Manual
The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives
IRA Explosives Manual
Granddads Wonderful Book of Chemistry

[yet more in the list]
"
I wonder where he got those from and intends to sell?
Defendu December 1st, 2006, 02:42 AM

"This forum is password protected. To view this forum you need to enter the correct password below."
I believe a copy and paste job would be appropriate here.
EDIT:
I wonder where he got those from and intends to sell?
I don't know but he's going to need a good lawyer when the publishers of those files sue his ass.
http://anonym.to/?http://www.criminally-inclined.com/forum/
Is it time for an invasion? (don't forget to use a junk email)
nbk2000 December 1st, 2006, 09:26 AM

In that short list of titles are 9 books that I scanned! I'm sure that all mention of their origin has been removed. :mad:
As long as the dingdong doesn't sell them, and gives credit for their origin, then it's OK for him to host the files, as that was the intended purpose...to spread the information far
and wide.
However, I think we can rest assured that this isn't going to be the case, as he has demonstrated in the past an eagerness to try to cash in on other peoples efforts.
ShadowMyGeekSpace December 1st, 2006, 10:33 AM

Who feels like having a nice little phone conversation with him?
NAS ~ # whois -H criminally-inclined.com
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: CRIMINALLY-INCLINED.COM

Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS2.MAINNAMESERVER.COM
Name Server: NS.MAINNAMESERVER.COM
Status: ACTIVE
EPP Status: ok
Updated Date: 10-Nov-2006
Creation Date: 09-Nov-2006
Expiration Date: 09-Nov-2007
>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:32:08 EST <<<
Registrant:
Criminally Inclined
25 Oak Tree Crescent
Nottinghamshire, Nottinghamshire NG19 8HW
GB
Domain name: CRIMINALLY-INCLINED.COM
Administrative Contact:
Inclined, Criminally admin@criminally-inclined.com
GB
+44.1623456742
Technical Contact:
Inclined, Criminally admin@criminally-inclined.com
GB
+44.1623456742
Registration Service Provider:

PIPEX Communications Uk Ltd, services@123-reg.co.uk
+44.115-917-0000
http://www.123-reg.co.uk/
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.

Record last updated on 10-Nov-2006.
Record expires on 09-Nov-2007.
Record created on 09-Nov-2006.
Domain servers in listed order:

NS2.MAINNAMESERVER.COM 82.110.105.3
NS.MAINNAMESERVER.COM 82.110.105.2
Domain status: ok
NAS ~ #
Gerbil December 1st, 2006, 11:05 AM

A quick google search shows that this guy's also a painter and decorator :p .
If he's actually selling these texts, I guess that someone could tip off the publishing companies in question...
megalomania December 1st, 2006, 07:34 PM

You bitch about him plugging his website over there and what the *&^% did you just do here? A fool and his money are soon parted, and you would be foolish to pay for
something he stole when it can be had for free with a little bit of searching. Such is the nature of the Internet my friends, there is no shortage of websites trying to sell you air
:)
nbk2000 December 1st, 2006, 11:28 PM

Aren't such books illegal for people in the UK to possess? Something about being 'terrorist' manuals or somesuch? ;)
Isotoxin December 1st, 2006, 11:55 PM

I thought I was supposed to be an ant coming back to the nest or something like that. And how else to prove that what he is doing besides linking?
ShadowMyGeekSpace December 2nd, 2006, 12:40 AM

He's gotta accept payment somehow.
Defendu December 2nd, 2006, 07:35 AM

Bad rep for a posy u made in whimsy
I'm not a even member of Sciencemadness. In fact, my quote, "This forum is password protected" was from SM's "whimsy" forum.
Could this guy be Eliteforum trying to hex me?
Also, I see that we have a new member "CriminallyInclined"* (http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/member.php?u=24703). Coincidence?
nbk2000 December 2nd, 2006, 10:12 AM

He gave his birthdate as October 14th, 1980.
Signup IP was 82.15.5.68
Gerbil December 2nd, 2006, 12:54 PM

Aren't such books illegal for people in the UK to possess?
Not on their own...I *think* . But that won't stop you being locked up without trial and charged with your car numberplate being 2cm out of place :rolleyes: .
I think there would be some kind of law against selling them, though.
ShadowMyGeekSpace December 2nd, 2006, 01:21 PM

Well, that resolves to cpc5-mfld1-0-0-cust323.nott.cable.ntl.com (nott asin Nottinghamshire), making me think that address up there is probably real. If he does try to sell
stuff, just include the date/time of signup(in GMT) and the IP in an email to abuse@ntl.com. They'll take care of the rest I'm sure, since UK has those nice(by nice I mean bad)
data retention laws and stuff.
In any case, there's a 'lesson to be learned': don't try to profit off of other peoples work, jackass.
nbk2000 December 2nd, 2006, 07:37 PM

It's inevitable that he'll have chemicals in his house, even if it's completely harmless stuff like aspirin and drain cleaner.
Combined with the books...BOMBZ!! :D
megalomania December 2nd, 2006, 10:05 PM

I'll tell Capt. Jack at Torchwood...
Meawoppl December 2nd, 2006, 10:28 PM

Here is his nearest switch, and the persons attached:
This is the RIPE Whois query server #1.

% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% Note: the default output of the RIPE Whois server
% is changed. Your tools may need to be adjusted. See
% http://www.ripe.net/db/news/abuse-proposal-20050331.html
% for more details.
%
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/copyright.html
% Note: This output has been filtered.

% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.
% Information related to 'AS5089-MNT'
mntner: AS5089-MNT
descr: ntl Telecommunications
descr: ntl House, Bartley Wood Business Park
descr: Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UP
descr: United Kingdom
admin-c: NNMC1-RIPE
tech-c: BP1066-RIPE
tech-c: MH22007-RIPE
tech-c: EE1705-RIPE
tech-c: NR731-RIPE
tech-c: CW1083-RIPE
tech-c: KI288-RIPE
tech-c: DA2033-RIPE
tech-c: JG2660-RIPE
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
remarks: For abuse notifications please -
remarks: file an online case @ http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport
remarks: +44 1633 710142 (Voicemail Only)
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
remarks: For peering issues/requests please -
remarks: email : peering@ntli.net
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
auth: MD5-PW $1$ZrD2VtQK$EQyX8XYkf8ZaC/vJCcH0m0
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
referral-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
role: NTLI Network Management Centre

address: NTL Internet
address: Crawley Court
address: Winchester
address: Hampshire
address: SO21 2QA
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
remarks: For abuse notifications please -
remarks: file an online case @ http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport
remarks: +44 1633 710142 (Voicemail Only)
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
remarks: For peering issues/requests please -
remarks: email : peering@ntli.net
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
admin-c: MH22007-RIPE
admin-c: NR731-RIPE
admin-c: CW1083-RIPE
tech-c: MH22007-RIPE
tech-c: CW1083-RIPE
admin-c: NR731-RIPE
nic-hdl: NNMC1-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
e-mail: planninginformation.management@ntl.com
person: Bob Procter

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Dunleavy Drive
address: Cardiff
address: CF11 0WW
phone: +44 29 2030 5978
e-mail: bob.procter@ntl.com
nic-hdl: BP1066-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
person: Mark Hands

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Bartley Wood Business Park
address: Hook
address: Hampshire
address: RG27 9UP
phone: +44
nic-hdl: MH22007-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
person: Edward Elliott

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Hook
address: Hampshire
address: RG27 9UP
phone: +44
nic-hdl: EE1705-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
person: Nick Ross

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Hook
address: Hampshire
address: RG27 9UP
phone: +44 1256 754992
nic-hdl: NR731-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
person: Caroline Worsfold

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Hook
address: Hampshire
address: RG27 9UP
phone: +44
nic-hdl: CW1083-RIPE
person: Ken Ideh

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Hook
address: RG27 9UP
phone: +44 01256 752 015
nic-hdl: KI288-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
person: Dotun Akinkuolie

address: NTL
address: NTL House
address: Hook
address: RG27 9UP
phone: +44 01256 754 706
nic-hdl: DA2033-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT
person: Jonathan Gist

address: NTL
address: NTL Cardiff Office
address: Unit 2
address: Vanguard Way
address: Cardiff
address: CF24 5PG
phone: +44 02920305411
nic-hdl: JG2660-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5089-MNT

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Dawg D e c e m ber 2nd, 2006, 04:06 AM

Hello-
Haven't been on here for close to 2 m onths but tonite just stumbled across a fam iliar nam e f r o m o l d p o s t s h e r e -
http://digg.com /users/zaibatsu/profile
Is this our old friend/m oderator?
Defendu D e c e m ber 2nd, 2006, 07:28 AM

Is this our old friend/m oderator?
I s D e n v e r s o m ewhere in England? :rolleyes:
Also, zaibatsu last po sted here November 19, 2006.
nbk2000 D e c e m ber 2nd, 2006, 10:07 AM

I've asked him (zai) about this before, having seen his name being used in other forums. He's always denied that it was him.
c.Tech D e c e m ber 3rd, 2006, 08:19 AM

W here did he go for the last 2 years? He seemed to just vanish.
But what s a b i g g e r q u e s t i o n i s w h a t h a p p e n e d t o a l l t h e o t h e r m oderato rs who were always around the forum ?
Jacks Complete D e c e m ber 3rd, 2006, 07:57 PM

I d o u b t Z i s f o o l i s h e n o u g h t o u s e h i s s i g n a m e elsewhere. I know I never do, but there are plenty of people using the sam e
nam e as me on other forums.
knowledgehungry D e c e m ber 3rd, 2006, 08:18 PM

I " v a n i s h e d " f r o m R o g u e s c i f o r a while, and even now that I have returned I do not have the sam e level of activity as I once
did. Sim ple things like having a job, going to school and getting a girlfriend are rem arkably effective at curtailing
e x p e r i m entation when com bin ed.
S o m e t i m e s p e o p l e l o s e i n t e r e st in these things, or decide that there are more im portant things that they do not want to risk by
bein g involved in an "illegal activity". There are m any reasons to leave this hobby, it can be very d angerous as well as tim e
consuming.
About Zaibatsu, I talked with him recently and he mentioned wanting to become active on the forum a g a i n .
nbk2000 D e c e m ber 3rd, 2006, 09:28 PM

School, relationships, financal or legal problems, changing interests...all of these can m a k e a p e r s o n l e a v e .

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tibberous D e c e m ber 2nd, 2006, 07:47 AM

I recently stumbled on this bo a r d a n d w a s h o p i n g t o a d d s o m e b o o k s t o m y c o l l e c t i o n , b u t a m f i n d i n g t h e r a p i d s h a r e l i n k s
dead and the ftp server down.
I tried to con nect to it at 204.210.178.212:990, using implicit ssl as described in one of the posts. I received the message:
"A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respon d after a period of tim e, or established
connection failed"
I then tried to ping the ip to a t least verify the existence of a server, also nothing (yes I know it wouldn't *have* to respond to
ping to exist)
Is the ftp server currently running? I m ay try PM'ing individual m embers for books as soon as I inventory everything I want,
but I'd hate to bother anyone if it is just a m atter of waiting for the ftp server.
nbk2000 D e c e m ber 2nd, 2006, 10:25 AM

I recently stumbled on this bo a r d a n d w a s h o p i n g t o a d d s o m e b o o k s t o m y c o l l e c t i o n . . .
Yet gave absolutely no thought towards contributing to the very resource he hoped to exploit.
And now, having stum bled upon the information-swollen tit that is the R S FTP, he attem pted to suckle upon it, only to find that
it doesn't give up the m i l k o n d e m a n d , a n d i s n o w m e w l i n g f o r a h e l p i n g h a n d t o s q u e e z e it out fo r him .
Can you tell how m any different ways he fucked up with just this one sentence? :rolleyes:
But wait! The re's m ore!
I m ay try PM'ing individual m embers for books as soon as I inventory everything I want...
Oh, well, we'll be glad to hand serve you anything your little heart desires, Oh Lord and Master of the Realm!
:mad:
tibberous D e c e m ber 4th, 2006, 06:29 AM

As long and unhelpful as that was, it doesn't change the fact that all I asked was whether the ftp server was up or down. I
wouldn't call downloading from an ftp server 'exploiting' it.
+++++++++++
Since a defin ition is o bviously required:
verb e x p l o i t e d , e x p l o i t i n g
1 . T o t a k e u n f a i r a d v a n t a g e o f s o m e t h i n g o r s o m e o n e s o a s t o a c h i e v e o n e ' s o w n a i m s.
T h e s a u r u s : c a p i t a l i z e o n , t a k e a d v a n t a g e o f , m isuse, profit by, use, abuse, m a n i p u l a t e , c a s h i n o n .
NBK
+++++++++++
Since you are asking for m e to contribute som ething, m ind telling m e wh at? My com puter is down after a registry related
incident, but I have a collectio n of stuff myself, so if there is anything you are looking for, I don't m ind uploading. A lot of what
I have is pretty comm on and dated; Festers stuff, hacking & reversing, chem istry, Hive an d R h o d i u m m irrors - also som e
archived foru m posts which m ight be helpful bu t I can't really vouch for.

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The Noid December 4th, 2006, 03:33 AM

Back a f ew years ago I was involved in guerilla fighting more or less out of my own personal safety than other reason. I dont feel it is necessary to name the country I
was in at the time, but I thought Id share my encounter with guerilla combatants since I've been seeing lots of it in the news lately.
To make a long story short there were about forty of us foreigners in country. Most were contractors, medical technicians, and some business folk. Most of us were Aussie,
American, or Israeli with a few German and Swiss (go figure). Fighting broke out between militias and government troops. Fighting got to be pretty nasty, but mostly in the
innards of the town. We all lived on the west end and was away from most of it. All utilities were out so no phone or power. Later in the week the militias forced the
government troops out to the east end, opposite of were my community was located. Pretty soon there was firing and explosions two blocks from me. One of the guys had
gotten word from an embassy that this was a minor dispute and would settle out. We all decided to ride it out.
An Aussie two house down told me that the previous night a couple militiamen tried to break in to his house, but he fired at them and they ran off. Most people, by the way,
kept a small caliber pistol at home for protection. The attempted breaking into of houses became frequent, though no one disturbed me. Later on the same week, at dusk, a
militia group fired on my section of town with light arms and hand grenades.
I had brought with me on during my move to this country fifteen of my military rifles, mostly bolt actions but I did take my US made DSA FN-FAL. These were to provide me
with something to do out in the desert on bored days with my associates. I had between 100-300 rounds of ammo per rifle as most were different calibers. Anyway, I called
my neighbors to see if they had some form of protection. Several didn't so I donated some of my personal arms to them just in case.
The week went on and fight escalated on our end of town since the government troops decided to push on and drive the militias out. I decided by this time that I had to get
out and travel 85 kilometers to my embassy and try to get the hell out of that God forbidden place.
As I was trying to leave, a Toyota with a 12.7 Soviet on back raced down the street emptying an entire box into the sides of buildings. I thought to myself, "Shit, they really
are trying to kill us." By that time several neighbors had already made it over to me with their arms and asked if I was ok. I had with me the FAL with six full magazines. We
were crouched behind my truck when several rounds came whizzing overhead. By that point we didn't have much choice but to return fire, not necessarily to kill but to try to
run them off. After ten minutes of firing the militiamen weren't moving and were still firing at us at a distance of about 100-150 meters. We fired on til we were out of
ammunition. We were forced to retreat to my house for the night. There I supplied what ammunition I could, mostly distributing ammo to the rifles I had given out. It was a
logitstics nightmare.
There were four types of Mausers (two 1891s, 98k, and Gew 88), none of which had interchangeable ammunitions, though two were 8mm (different bore sizes of 8mm). The
three Nagant rifles had plenty of ammo and so did the French Berthiers, but the Berthiers take a special enbloc clip to load the ammo so that presented a problem. I was also
out of .308 and since I didn't anticipate on being in combat, I hadn't purcahsed anymore. The only rifle left on my rack was an M1 Carbine with two fifteen round magazines
and three thirty rounders plus ammunition for each. We kept watch the rest of the night and ended up firing at passing rebels at they drove by firing wildly. The next day firing
ceased and in the street were a couple AKs and a Swedish K submachine gun plus scattered ammo and boxes, evidently that had fallen off passing trucks. We recovered them
and gave the AKs to the guys that had the Berthiers and I traded my M1 for the Swedish K since there was four magazines in a crate for it plus extra 9mm. We also recovered
a box of 7.62 from where the militiamen were when they first fired at us.
We relocated to the farthest house on the block to hold up there. The next two days there was sparatic firing by passing trucks and a couple hand grenades thrown, but we
forced them to move on. We actually disable one truck.
Finally, the government troops made it to where we were. The commander spoke some French so we could half way understand him. He told us that the rebels had pulled to
the outskirts and that everything should be ok. We held up three more days without any problem and finally got word via radio that the "uprising" was over.
Fighting like that takes place everyday and is normal life for many in Africa and the Middle East. I know I couldn't live with all of that again on a daily basis. I'm glad I was
finally relocated out of there and live in a peaceful country. I thought about writing my account in full detail and try to publish it, but I haven't.
Jacks Complete December 4th, 2006, 10:28 AM

That's quite interesting. I can only assume that most of those with you had an idea about how to use a rifle?
The issues you had with different calibres is also interesting. If all the rifles had had the same calibre, then you would possibly have been in much deeper shit. If everyone had
used the same ammo, then during the firefight where your stocks became exhausted, everyone would have run out at the same time, as you would have passed the ammo
from those with many rounds to those with fewer, until everyone was lost. At this point, the attackers would have overwhelmed your group. Also, if you had (say) 5 rifles in
the same calibre, you probably still would have only had 300 or so rounds for all of them, rather than 100-150 for each calibre, which comes to a far higher total.
A bit of low-tech would have been handy. Simple string tripwires with tin cans on them, PIR alarm units, clothes pegs, all increase your perimeter security. (As long as you can
back it up with lethal force)
I think you did well, and your hobby probably saved your life, and the lives of others around you.
The Noid December 7th, 2006, 02:28 PM

Believe it or not, Jacks, several of the men were accustomed to firearms. We were located in Africa so several of the men had gone of safari hunts. While those rifles are
different from military bolt actions, the exposure to rifles in general helped immensely. The others took quite well. The real problem was getting ammunition from stripper clips
into the magazine, especially on the Mauser rifles. Someone who is not used to loading them can have a bit of a time doing so. We would have been in a world of hurt had I
not bought mostly surplus ammo already packed onto stripper clips and sealed in wooden crates.
You, sir, were correct on the ammunition problem. We most definitely could have been in deeper shit. Believe it or not we expended about three-quarters what I had brought.
Add more expended rounds from our automatics we picked up. We also had other ammunition problems with a Dutch Beaumont rifle I had. It fires blackpowder rounds so the
ammunition left large plumes of smoke. We set the user of this rifle to the flank so the smoke wouldn't hinder our vision.
An alarm system would have been novel. The chief reason why we didn't set one up was because we would have actually had to leave my residence to set it up. Since being
under fire from 12.7mm (roughly .50 cal to Americans) heavy guns, not many of us were willing to galavant out into the streets.
I am incredibly glad I am a gun collector. Don't know how many can say their 100 plus year old rifles saved their lives.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyeXRF2Dz6s
Watching this video...I just can't tell who I hate more...the totse kewls, or the religious fool they attacked.
Let's just hope one of the k3wls makes up a match stick bomb and kills himself and this asshole all at the same time.
Cindor December 5th, 2006, 03:41 AM

No, no, no !!!
If that happens they are going to ban matches !
Match December 5th, 2006, 12:55 PM

I don't care who it is, but when a forum disrupts dribble like what the guy is preaching, it's always worth the laugh.

I agree. I nearly lost conciousness halfway through. Sadly, though, it was from boredom, rather than the usual laughter I find on YouTube.
I love the way the guy says "And this is all copyright, and action will be taken" as I'm watching it elsewhere...
13579 December 6th, 2006, 07:50 PM

Not everyone on totse is retarded, try leaving SG. The smarter ones are in DIY and BB.
billybobjoe December 6th, 2006, 09:33 PM

I like how he says that totse has "Corporate attorneys." I doubt half the people on the website could even spell that.:D
13579 December 6th, 2006, 10:22 PM

billybobjoe-
Most of the people can spell that, stop trying to go along with everyone else.
I also find it odd that he says that since totse doesn't even have corporate attorneys
festergrump December 6th, 2006, 10:32 PM

"Satan" would have chosen better minions than the dregs found at totse...
tmp December 7th, 2006, 04:13 AM

Why are they fucking around with this guy anyway ? Just more proof that
kewls are more destructive to their own existence than to anybody else.
Gerbil December 7th, 2006, 03:21 PM

Why are they fucking around with this guy anyway ?
Because they're kewl :rolleyes: . He's nuts, in my opinion, but prank calls about people dying of cancer isn't exactly the height of maturity.
atlas#11 December 7th, 2006, 05:56 PM

You were all kids once too...
That being said, they were still quite immature about it. Though I seriously doubt any legal action will come out of it, its just giving the community a bad name.
Hopefully most people won't assosiate the kids at totse with this forum, but I'd much rather be called an immature prankster than a terrorist right now.
sbovisjb1 December 7th, 2006, 06:24 PM

"Satan" would have chosen better minions than the dregs found at totse...
Unfortunately for Satan, he should have realized that moronic twits, running around with faulty bombs is not really going to destroy the world or Christianity for that matter.

Careful there, sbovisjb1.
If you live in a formerly free country (USA, UK, etc.) you will notice that you have a lot fewer freedoms now than before the Berlin wall fell, due mostly to political idiots
banning things and thoughts, due to a bunch of moronic twits with nothing more than box cutters.
Anything can be twisted to the desired end. You just need a big enough lever.

But the presumption that I reside in the UK/US is defunct as I live in Canada. (I don't necessarily agree with homosexuality and drug use, but people can do as they please as
long as they don't make a stink and/or aren't hurting others in the process.)
DONMAN December 10th, 2006, 05:53 PM

This guy is a douche, and totse sucks. I don't even see why this is an issue. I don't think anything will ever be done, legally they don't have a foot to stand on.

I just looked at the Totse website to see how bad they really are, and I must say that I am amazed. Like I'm not too old myself(I saw that some of you said they were young
kids), but still, they are really bad. I saw one thing on there they described, very vividly, putting a cat in a microwave for 5 minutes. I mean, I don't really like cats much, but
still, this was sick. That was one stupid thing I saw there, on top of others that were completely pointless, and it made it sound like it was just some group of kids trying to act
cool. Do I pretty much have it?
Cobalt.45 December 11th, 2006, 03:44 AM

Do I pretty much have it?
You pretty well summed it up.
Kind of like a forum version of "Jackass".
So they've taken to animal torture, huh? Don't know 'bout anyone else, but I would much sooner "do" one of them, than an animal.
Much, much sooner...

they described, very vividly, putting a cat in a microwave for 5 minutes.
Although I haven't seen the thread, I'm going to cry bullshit :p .

If they really do get some kind of moronic pleasure from it, hopefully they'll come face to face with this kind of kitty some day:
http://www.providentliving.com/freebies/images/tiger_angry.jpg

Within the last week I saw on the local news a story of two youths who were caught after cooking a live 3 month old puppy in an oven. They had bound it's feet and baked it
to death. Bragging about it later led police to discover the dead animal right where witnesses who saw the dead puppy said it would be. In the oven.
The talking heads said those two are looking at a life sentence now. That pretty much means they'll be eligible for parole in 7 years where I come from. Not a harsh enough
punishment, IMHO.
If you're going to end an animal's life, do it humanely. I doubt very highly I could torture an animal to death because their acts are instinctual and not premeditated, but these
two punks I could torture, just because of what they've done. Death in an oven would be a just reward for them.
I'd not derive pleasure from killing them in this way but I'd feel that justice had been done at least.
megalomania December 11th, 2006, 04:18 PM

I have always contended that a public forum will eventually only be as good as the lowest common denominator intellect wise. The TOTSE tots attract the absolute bottom of
the barrel. Oh sure, there are likely a few outstanding minds there, but that's only because TOTSE is so easy to find, and they don't know of anything better yet.
The way I see it TOTSE is our human shield. As long as that website is up and running we A) should not fear fedgov persecution and B) have a place for the rejects and kewls
to go besides here.
I thought "corporate attorneys" handled sexual harassment and tax matters?
REPENT! Oh ye of feeble mind and surly disposition. Pranker of phones and wolf criers of cancer. SATAN, I CAST YOU OUT :D
Olib December 13th, 2006, 04:33 PM

My god that was boring!
That was like a 8 minutes and 17 second sleeping pill

Although I haven't seen the thread, I'm going to cry bullshit :p .
If they really do get some kind of moronic pleasure from it, hopefully they'll come face to face with this kind of kitty some day:
I think they might have actually done it. Either that or they have really REALLY good imaginations because they said some things that I would imagine would happen. And there
were a few things that hinted that they enjoyed it. Like they had a list of ways to torture cats, and one of the things was to put it in the microwave to scare it, and if it was
really bad, turn the microwave on for 10 seconds at a time, which wouldnt kill it but seriously hurt it. After you did that a few times, it would eventually die from the radiation
about a week later. And the last thing they said is that if you put the cat in the microwave for like 5 minutes, it will cook, and start to blow up. And like I said, they used some
very descriptive details, so it kinda sounds like they did it.
My god that was boring!
That was like a 8 minutes and 17 second sleeping pill
Yea. And the thing is that people supposedly voluntarily watch that show. There's no way that I could conciously watch that show. I would have to be passed out or tied down
to watch it.
a_bab December 14th, 2006, 06:39 AM

I once saw a document floating on the Internet, of these "anarchy" kind, and it described what would happen to a cat in a microwave oven. That was like at east 5-7 years
ago, and it came from the bbs. I haven't read the tootsie thread (nor do I have the time to waste on there crap), but they might have just copy/pasted the doc I saw.
On the other hand, giving the retardness and the human scum which they are, it is possible that they did it.

I once saw a document floating on the Internet, of these "anarchy" kind, and it described what would happen to a cat in a microwave oven. That was like at east 5-7 years
ago, and it came from the bbs. I haven't read the tootsie thread (nor do I have the time to waste on there crap), but they might have just copy/pasted the doc I saw.
On the other hand, giving the retardness and the human scum which they are, it is possible that they did it.
There is a video floating around the net of some kids burning a cat alive.
Also, putting an animal in a microwave is not uncommon as there have been quite a few incidents of people (espicially kids) trying to dry off their pets (such as a gerbil or
hamster).

This guy is a douche, and totse sucks. I don't even see why this is an issue. I don't think anything will ever be done, legally they don't have a foot to stand on.
Is that comment in relation to me, or with the k3wls?

I got the impression he was calling Father Bohab a douche, not you.
no_fear December 14th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Also, putting an animal in a microwave is not uncommon as there have been quite a few incidents of people (espicially kids) trying to dry off their pets (such as a gerbil or
hamster).
Yea, my aunt did it when she was a kid. I think she put her cat in the microwave after the rain to dry it off, and well, I'll just say it didn't survive.
But it's totally different, these guys actually did it conciously. They knew what they were doing and it seems like they enjoyed it. I doubt my aunt would have described the
story as "after 2 minutes, the bastards eyeballs start popping out. like literally flying out of the cat's head." Now this isn't a direct quote, but it's pretty much what they said.

I know Cat is a white meat animal, just like chicken, though I don't know what it tastes like.

Wow, thats pretty bad. Lol. And how do you know this? I can't say that I've ever seen a cat filet or breaded cat breast...
Charlie Workman December 15th, 2006, 03:16 AM

I had dog burritos some years ago. Not bad, but not worth the extra effort. Iguana's pretty good, though. If I found someone torturing animals, they would experience the thrill
of being kicked to death with a steel toed boot. Better for society overall. I was once young and stupid, but never that stupid. And we were considered the "bad element" of
our neighborhood.
c.Tech December 15th, 2006, 05:45 AM

Kangaroo meat isn't bad, better than any beef steak you could buy IMO.

Feral cats are a problem around here, so I kill 'em and throw their furry bodies into the burn barrel. After seeing one in the burn barrel that wasn't completely burned to ashes, I
took a picture of it, called it 'Iraq Cat' (because it reminded me of this (http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv9n1/iraq.jpg)), and tore it apart to answer the long-
standing question I had of 'Cat - White or Red Meat?'.
:D

That video was shown by www.steakandcheese.com. I downloaded it as a reminder of man's
unnecessary cruelty to animals. It's about 2 years old. As a cat owner,
I'd kill the son-of-a-bitch if I caught him/her doing that shit to my cat !
Back on topic - KEWLS attract unwanted attention - that's why most

people reject them and LEOs love them !

I am totally unmoved by that image of the torched gunner.
If the image was of a pet, I'd be furious. Just maybe enough to turn them into the image of the gunner, given the chance.
Strange how the mind works.

I'd kill the son-of-a-bitch if I caught him/her doing that shit to my cat !
This speaks well of your upbringing, IMHO. Same goes for the others who share a hatred for the torture of animals.
megalomania December 25th, 2006, 08:14 PM

The cat's a pet, the gunner is a stranger. I'd bet you would be singing a different tune if the man was your brother, and the cat was just a stray that sprayed inside your new
car...
Why the obsession with cats anyway. Dogs are dangerous ugly creatures that I imagine would be quite tasty.

Stray dogs are perhaps more difficult to catch and more dangerous to handle, thus not of interest to budding suburban psychopaths. :)
Cobalt.45 December 26th, 2006, 10:18 AM

The cat's a pet, the gunner is a stranger. I'd bet you would be singing a different tune if the man was your brother, and the cat was just a stray that sprayed inside your new
car...
I can see you've never met my brother...

Well, I had an exciting night hunt for feral cat as my christmas present.
Totally unplanned, but opportunity presented itself, and I bagged a 20 pound tom. :)

I found a whole website with pictures of dead Iraquis. It shows everything from charred to headless, to 1 chick who stepped on a land mine. So that 1 picture that was
mentioned here is really nothing compared to what I've seen. But um... referring to what mega said about the gunner being a stranger, or a brother. One thing is that you
aren't fighting them. You don't have them killing your "brothers" on the battlefield. If you were in Iraq right now, that picture of the gunner would almost be pleasing because it
is 1 less threat to you and the lives of the people you have come to love on the battlefield. And I guess I kinda agree with the feral cat thing. I don't know if I would care too
badly if it wasn't anyones' cat and if it was really pissing me off, but if it wasn't a stray, I wouldn't do anything to it.

Feral anything are a problem.
As are species introduced from outside of a particular ecosystem.
Florida has walking catfish, for Christ's sake.
Oz is ate up with cane toads.

The world's staggering under the load of shit smelling, choat breath feral humans.:mad:
You could have started the day you were old enough to shoot a gun, hunting down and killing invading species and ferals, and never put so much as a dent in their population.
Culling the ones that you can see to kill, makes the gene pool stronger of those that remain.:p
Jacks Complete January 1st, 2007, 10:41 PM

That's evolution for you. But, since we aren't brain-dead Creationists, we can use that in our favour.
In the UK, town foxes are big, bright-eyed and bright red. Go out to the countryside where we take them down with rifles at night under a lamp, and you will find that where
the pressures are highest, they have dim eyes, and are darker brown. They are also generally smaller.
If you kill off the "fittest" (for whatever you choose as a purpose) you can guide it how you want it. You can be the unspoken god in the creationist world.
Pick a trait, and start killing. The Arabs do it with intelligent thought (the first killed tends to be the moderates and liberals at the places of higher education) and it seems to
work for them!
nbk2000 January 2nd, 2007, 06:02 PM

I know this selection pressure works, since it's in action in my immediate area in all the wildlife I kill. :)
Only the most skittish, stealthiest, quietest animals have survived to reproduce, since I've long since killed off all the noisy, brave, and flashy birds/cats/rabbits/squirrels/
skunks/possums/dogs/etc...:D
megalomania January 3rd, 2007, 06:18 AM

And mexicans, hobos, hookers... :D I jest of course.
reamio January 4th, 2007, 10:51 AM

NBK: just make sure your next victim isn't Schrdinger's cat; quantum physics will never be the same if you kill it.
And good hunting!:D

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knowledgehungry D e c e m ber 5th, 2006, 04:38 PM

First smoking bans and now this
http://news.yahoo.com /s/ap/20061205/ap_on_he_me/diet_trans_fat_ban_23
Soon they will outlaw cars for "public health". This is absurd.
mike16 D e c e m ber 5th, 2006, 06:19 PM

In m y opinion, outlawing cars or restricting their use would be a good thing here in the UK, there are too many people here
thus too m any cars.
I was standing at a junction earlier today waiting to cross, and as every 2 or so ca rs went by I got a whiff of NO2 in my face, its
strange how since I've been doing this "hobby" I can always sm ell NO 2 as a car goes by ( I cycle everywhere).
I've never been able to smell it before , and I expect all of the lazy sheeple can't smell it either.
Bert D e c e m ber 5th, 2006, 09:11 PM

As h u m a n b e i n g s a r e t h e m ost dangerous things in New York C ity, I dem and they be outlawed IMMEDIATELEY!
Seriously, if you gotta live in NYC the air pollution and the stress are going to kill you faster than crappy food.
c.Tech D e c e m ber 5th, 2006, 09:54 PM

At least outlawing trans fat wont be used to put m ore control on the citizens of NY . Though as the definition of terrorist in the
US patriot act is, an act which endange rs human life and is a violation of any federal or state law, if you were to sell trans fat
contain products you could be e x e c u t e d : m a d : T H I S I S N O T A JOKE! Check for y o u r s e l f i f y o u d o n t already know.
tmp D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 08:40 AM

R u s h L i m baugh once predicted that a tax m i g h t b e p l a c e d a g a i n st high fat
f o o d s . B u t a n a c t u a l b a n ? I i m a g i n e R ush is going to have a fie ld day
with this one on his show ! Another exam ple of governm ent idiocy intruding
into our lives. No wonder most thinking people despise liberals ! NYC's
m ayor is truly a RINO - R epublican In Nam e O nly !
crosseout D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 12:34 PM

people should know how to eat healthy anyway...theres just no excuse...about the smoking, I think its a good thing to ban
s m o king inside bars and such...
Nihilist D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 02:11 PM

B a n n i n g h i g h f a t f o o d s i s l i k e b a n n i n g d r u g s . C an they harm your health? Yea, but who the fuck are you to tell me I can't harm
m yself?
Gerbil D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 07:25 PM

If people were in a truly free society (which they're not, obviously), they would be free to take drug s and eat crappy food. 'Tis
your own problem when you O D or have a heart attack.
I can see the logic behind banning certain adverts on kids tv, though...although people have a habit of using this as an
excuse for bad parenting.

T h e p r o b l e m with trans fats is they do n t h a v e t o p u t them o n t h e n u tritional c o n t e n t l a b e l ( a t least in Australia) and t h e y a r e
the worst for your heart, worse than saturated fats.
If th ey ban trans fats you can still eat fatty food with all the saturated, polyunsaturated and m onounsaturated fats you want
but it will just elim inate the worst one for your heart.
Skean Dhu D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 09:16 PM

W ell with the developem ents in the past 8 m onths or so , you 'd b e h a r d p r e s s e d t o f i n d a f o o d i n a s u p e r m a r k e t i n t h e U S
that had trans fats in them these days, with m ost stuff having that silly little splash icon on them bragging about " 0g trans
fats" . Most food com p a n i e s h ave elim inated them from their product to get people to buy them . The article says it only bans
'artificial tran s fats' , basically they're banning the use of certain fry oils.
How about a ban on fat people taking the elevator? Sure trans fats are b ad for you but so is sitting on your ass all day but still
eating a +20 00 calorie diet.
As long as this stuff stays at the state an local level the y can ban whatever the hell they want, its when the UN and the
governments of the entire countries ban these things that it starts getting truly to talitarian.
The reason for making drugs illegal and now trans fats, isn't for your health, its for their coffers, the longer you live the m ore
m oney they can milk you for. Even if they(the powers that be) created a way to tax illegal drugs they wouldn't.
kenneo D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 09:39 PM
about the sm oking, I think its a good thing to ban smoking inside bars and such...
Drinking, smoking, fighting, drug use.... These are activities bars are designed to facilitate. If you object to any of these
activities, "DON'T GO TO THE FUCKIN BAR".
G o d f o r b i d y o u s u c k u p s o m e second hand while you're trying to destroy your liver or catch a good case of syphilis from the
regular bar whore who's looking better by the m inute.
W hile we're at it lets ban titties from the tittie bar, they cause high blood pressure ya know.
Nihilist D e c e m ber 7th, 2006, 03:07 AM

Yep...if the U.S. belie ved any of its own propag a n d a a b o u t f r e e d o m a n d c a p i t a l i s m , then they would have let the "free m arket"
create non-sm o k i n g b a r s , b e c a u s e t h e d e m and would o bviously be high right? Bu t no, people don't want to m a k e t o u g h
decisions like that for themselves, they don't want to be socially pressured into going to the sm o k i n g b a r b e c a u s e t h e y k n o w
they couldn't resist, so they m a k e t h e g o v e r n m ent force everyone to do it. I'm too weak to resist trans fats, let's ban them for
everyone. I'm too stupid to use drugs, let's ban them for everyone. Gov. always caters to the lowest com m o n
d e n o m inator...that practically defines dem ocracy right there...
Jacks Complete D e c e m ber 9th, 2006, 04:29 PM

The problem with letting people do what they want is that it is incom patable with the welfare state.
I see people who are just whinging soap-dodgers a lot in m y job , and the refrain is always the sam e. It is never
"The council gave me a new house for free, that's so great! Can I paint the inside to make it nicer?"
Oh no. The exact opposite.
"The council painted m y house last week (for free, again, after they burn e d s o m e t h i n g a n d g o t s m o k e d a m a g e ) a n d t h e p u k e
colour I choo se isn't the right shade!"
" T h e y s a i d I ' d h a v e a new kitchen by Christm as, where is it?"
"I want a new front door. The old one got broken (when I kicked it in drunk the other day)"
"They still haven't re-levelled m y kitchen floor (from when I flooded it an d wrecke d the underlay) so I'm writing to the paper!
See how they like tha t!"
I see people so fat they cannot walk to the door, let alone work (not that they would, even if it was 50K a year for wanking),
so they are given health-related benefits, they get stairlifts and rem o t e d o o r s a n d f r e e b u s p a s s e s a n d t h o se little powered
wheelchairs!
I m ean, powered whe el chairs? When they are too fat to walk?
T h e y s h o u l d n a i l t h e d o o r s s h u t , a n d l e a v e t h e m a 2 foot gap to get out of, and then just leave them for 6 m onths.
T h e r e s h o u l d a l s o b e a l a w a g ainst fat people having free electric wheelchairs. W h a t d o e s a n y o n e c a p a b l e o f t h i n k i n g t h i n k i s

goin g t o h a p p e n w h e n s o m e o n e w h o e ats enough that they can't walk to the supermarket for fags or beer runs out of food?
They would *have* to diet. And hell, they aren't going to starve to death. No way. They have at least 2 months of b lubber on
them.
S a m e for soap dodgers who won't get a job. Make them work for the m oney. Doesn't matter what the job is, just anything.
Polish the statue in the park, pick up litter, vaccuum s o m e o l d d e a r s h o u se, whatever.
Back hundreds of years ago, they built follies, big stone buildings that m eant nothing at all. The lords and ladies paid for
them, and they got the people who would otherwise have starved or lost the skills they wanted to keep to other areas, busy.
T h i s m eant that they didn't turn into entitlem ent bitches, and they weren't free to walk the streets drunk, fighting and breaking
into cars and h o u s e s .
So yes, ban trans-fats from those who cannot afford m edical cover. Ban "ciggarettes n alchol" and more, until they get off their
arse s a n d d o s o m ething with their lives. Put the money for keep ing them happy into that instead, and cause them s o m e pain,
just enough to get them working, or at least keeping the place tidy...

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I'm hoping this isn't against the rules...and I don't *think* that it is, given that suppliers are discussed in regards to other substances fairly openly here, but i'm w ondering if any
of you have had any experience ordering "research chemicals"(designer drugs) online, and if so, can you recommend any good places?
I know a lot of them are scams, but I think i've found tw o that seem reputable:
w w w.bravo-trading.com
w w w.hcl-research.com
I placed an order from bravo just a few minutes ago, so i'll let you all know how that turns out w hen/if it arrives.
EDIT: Also, I w ould like to say that I would have asked this on a site more geared towards this kind of discussion, but most of them have a very strict no-supplier-discussion
policy. But since these substances are technically legal(in most countries) and suppliers of other semi-legal substances are discussed elsewhere on this forum, I thought it w ould
probably be ok to ask here.

It's coming from Hong Kong, so it's not like it's a DEA sting operation. :)
Though coming through customs...:eek:
Everything on there is a drug precursor.

If you don't mind me asking, what other sites are geared tow ards RC's and the like?

If you don't mind me asking, what other sites are geared tow ards RC's and the like?
Most drug forums have an RC section...drugs-forum, wetdreams, lycaeum, etc..
@NBK: Drug precursors? Oh no, most of those things are actual drugs in and of themselves. They're all from Shulgin's books. 2C-E/2C-I are supposed to be similar to E and LSD
at the same time, with 2C-E being a lot heavier and 2C-I being more of a party drug.
thermobaric December 5th, 2006, 11:18 PM

http://ww w.soundwaveabduction.com/oz-international.html
Found this aw hile ago,but it looks a bit sketchy.

from 5g: $320 per gram
Oh...so we're supposed to send US$1,500 to a communist country on the off chance that they'll actually send the drug analog to a capitalist country, and not just keep it and
laugh at the stupidity of the imperialist running dogs?

Depending on which country you are in, 5-MeO-DMT is still legally available from Sigma-Aldrich at good prices.http://ww w.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search/ProductDetail/
SIGMA/M2381

On the subject of online drug purchases, I was considering buying some generic modafinil from this guy: http://shop.airsealed.com/pd_india.cfm
I'm fairly skeptical of internet meds, but he does have some good reviews on a couple of forums.

I have sent my money to bravo-trading, and they did respond w ith a tracking number that seems to be valid, so my hopes are high at the moment. I also received a price
quote from www.hartark.com on 2C-I. They sell it for $187/g. And according to them, they also carry:
Now we have DIPT,DPT,5-MEO-DIPT,5-MEO-DALT,5-MEO-DPT,2C-C,2C-N,2C-B,2C-I,2C-E in stock.
After December 15 we will supply AMT,DMT,DOC,DOB,DOI,DOM,and next plan to produce 5-MEO-DMT,MIPT,5-MEO-DET,2C-D,2C-P,2C-T,2C-T-2,2C-T-7.
They seem pretty legit too, though I haven't ordered from them yet.

How on earth are these people getting aw ay with it?
I know that all those drugs are illegal in the US, and the DEA has its claws into pretty much every country in world, via Uncle Sams checkbook.
I have to assume it's either a sting or being monitored by customs to bust the recipients.
It's probably also not a good idea to post what you've ordered, and from where, as well as w hen, on a public board.

I would be very careful ordering RC's nowadays. After the DEA launched Operation Web Tryp in 2004 to take out the main suppliers it became quite risky to order them, as the
site could very well be a sting. Also, I highly doubt any website would openly sell Schedule 1 chemicals like DMT.

How on earth are these people getting aw ay with it?
I know that all those drugs are illegal in the US, and the DEA has its claws into pretty much every country in world, via Uncle Sams checkbook.
I have to assume it's either a sting or being monitored by customs to bust the recipients.
It's probably also not a good idea to post what you've ordered, and from where, as well as w hen, on a public board.
5 of them are schedule I, dmt, 2c-b, dom, dob, and 2c-t-7. The rest are unscheduled AFAIK. And the U.S. might have broad influence, but China is one place that is still
relatively out of our hands.
It's theoretically possible to prosecute someone under the Federal Analog Act for these substances, however it must be proven that they were intended for human consumption,
and the burden of proof for that is on the U.S. government. And I also don't think it's possible to prosecute someone for purchasing an analog-drug, only for selling it, so i'm
fairly confident that the worst that can happen to me is confiscation.
I would be very careful ordering RC's nowadays. After the DEA launched Operation Web Tryp in 2004 to take out the main suppliers it became quite risky to order them, as the
site could very well be a sting. Also, I highly doubt any website would openly sell Schedule 1 chemicals like DMT.
Operation web tryp targetted only U.S. based RC suppliers, and it also did not target any of the people who purchased RCs.

Well, let us know anyw ays if you get it successfully and it actual w orks (not just sugar).
Oh, and I'd give a dose to a rat first, just in case the stuff isn't a drug, but poison.

Ok, the substances have arrived today. They did go through customs, and they came sealed in 3 layers of envelopes with a plastic vaccum sealed bag inside. Inside the vaccum
sealed bag were 3 little baggies, containing the 3 different substances I ordered.
I haven't w eighed them yet, and I haven't bioassayed them yet...but things are looking pretty good.

Ok, the substances have arrived today. They did go through customs, and they came sealed in 3 layers of envelopes with a plastic vaccum sealed bag inside. Inside the vaccum
sealed bag were 3 little baggies, containing the 3 different substances I ordered.
I haven't w eighed them yet, and I haven't bioassayed them yet...but things are looking pretty good.
Which substances did you order and what country do you live in. (No, I'm not a cop.) :p

Which substances did you order and what country do you live in. (No, I'm not a cop.) :p
200mg 2C-I
100mg 2C-E
100mg 4-HO-DIPT
And I live in california.

100mg 4-HO-DIPT
And I live in california.
Wasn t 4-HO-D IPT recently scheduled in Americ a?

Wasn t 4-HO-D IPT recently scheduled in Americ a?
According to Erow id, no.
http://ww w.erow id.org/chemicals/4_ho_dipt/4_ho_dipt_law.shtml
Most of these chems haven't yet been scheduled...but i've heard that the DEA is looking at them for scheduling. I assume if it's going to happen, it'll probably happen at the
beginning of this year :(. So, once i'm sure i've got good stuff, I think i'm gonna be making some bigger orders.
ShadowMyGeekSpace December 11th, 2006, 04:24 PM

http://ww w.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/notices/2006/fr0804.htm
[Federal Register: August 4, 2006 (Volume 71, Number 150)]
[Notices]
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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
[Docket No. DEA-273N]
Solicitation of Information on the Use of Tryptamine-Related

Compounds
AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Justice.
ACTION: Notice of request for information.
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SUMMARY: The DEA is soliciting information on substances that are

related in chemical structure to tryptamine (see SUPPLEMENTARY
INFORMATION). The Controlled Substances Act (CSA), in Title 21 of the
United States Code (U.S.C. 812 Schedule I (Title 21 of the Code of
Federal Regulations (CFR 1308.11(d)), lists certain tryptamines as
Schedule I controlled substances. Some tryptamines that are not
controlled under the CSA produce central nervous system effects that
are similar to tryptamines that are controlled under the CSA. DEA is
requesting information to help determine the impact on business if
these substances were to be placed under control in the CSA.
DATES: Written comments must be postmarked, and electronic comments

must be sent, on or before October 3, 2006.
ADDRESSES: To ensure proper handling of comments, please reference

``Docket No. DEA-273N'' on all w ritten and electronic correspondence.
Written comments being sent via regular mail should be sent to the
Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Diversion Control, Drug
Enforcement Administration, Washington, DC 20537, Attention: DEA
Federal Register Representative/ODL. Written comments sent via express
mail should be sent to DEA Headquarters, Attention: DEA Federal
Register Representative/ODL, 2401 Jefferson-Davis Highway, Alexandria,
VA 22301. Comments may be directly sent to DEA electronically by
sending an electronic message to dea.diversion.policy@usdoj.gov.
Comments may also be sent electronically through http://ww w.regulations.gov
using the electronic comment form provided on that
site. An electronic copy of this document is also available at the
http://ww w.regulations.gov Web site. DEA will accept attachments to
electronic comments in Microsoft Word, WordPerfect, Adobe PDF, or Excel
file formats only. DEA will not accept any file format other than those
specifically listed here.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Christine A. Sannerud, Ph.D., Chief,

Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section, Office of Diversion Control, Drug
Enforcement Administration, Washington, DC 20537; Telephone: (202) 307-
7183.
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: Tryptamine is a compound in which the

chemical structure can be described as indole substituted at the three
position with an 2-aminoethyl chain. Although tryptamine itself is not
a controlled substance, its chemical structure constitutes the skeletal
makeup of tryptamines listed in Schedule I of the CSA, which are
classified as hallucinogenic substances.
Tryptamine is sometimes substituted on the indole ring or the 2-
aminoethyl chain or both with various substituents. Title 21 CFR
1308.11(d) lists specific substituted tryptamines in Schedule I. Also
included in Schedule I are the salts, isomers, and salts of isomers of
the listed tryptamines. The term isomer, as used in this section, means
the optical, geometric, and positional isomers.
Individuals have published detailed methods of synthesis for
substituted tryptamines and have reported pharmacological effects based
on user experiences. Law enforcement personnel encounter such
tryptamines, but because they are substituted differently than those
listed or described in the CSA, they are not subject to direct control
in Schedule I. How ever, some of these substances can be treated as
Schedule I controlled substance analogues if intended for human
consumption (21 U.S.C. 802(32); Sec. 813).
DEA is soliciting information on (1) The commercial uses for
tryptamines, (2) activities involving research and development, (3)
tryptamines as intermediates or analytical standards, (4) import and
domestic sources for tryptamines, and (5) any planned or anticipated
uses for tryptamines. DEA invites interested persons to provide any
information on the uses of tryptamines in industry, academia, research
and development, or other applications. Both quantitative and
qualitative information is sought.
Although information is requested for all tryptamine substances
regardless of substitutions, DEA is particularly interested in
tryptamines that meet one
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or more of the following conditions: (a) Has a secondary or tertiary

amine formed by the substitution on the nitrogen atom of the 2-
aminoethyl chain by various alkyl groups, whether in chain or ring form
(for example, N-alkyltryptamine, N,N-dialkyltryptamine, N,N-
tetramethylenetryptamine), (B) has an alkyl substitution on the alpha
position of the 2-aminoethyl chain, and/or has substituents on the
indole ring system, including, but not restricted to, various alkyl
chains, halogens, hydroxyl, alkoxy, acetyl, or alkylthio groups, at one
or more positions except the one (indole nitrogen) position. DEA is
especially interested in learning of the uses of the following
tryptamines.
2-alpha-dimethyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-dipropyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-tetramethylenetryptamine
4-hydroxy-N-isopropyl-N-methyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N-methyl-N-propyltryptamine
5,6-dimethoxy-N-isopropyl-N-methyltryptamine
5-methoxy-alpha,N-dimethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyl-2-methyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-tetramethylenetryptamine
5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine
6-methoxy-1-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline
7-methoxy-1-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline
9,10-didehydro-6-allyl-N,N-diethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide
9,10-didehydro-6-propyl-N,N-diethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide
9,10-didehydro-N,N,6-triethylergoline-8-beta-carboxamide
alpha,N-dimethyltryptamine
N,N-dibutyltryptamine
N,N-dibutyl-4-hydroxytryptamine
N,N-diethyl-2-methyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
N,N-diethyl-5-methoxytryptamine
N,N-diisopropyl-4,5-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-diisopropyl-5,6-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-diisopropyltryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-2-methyltryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-4,5-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-4-hydroxytryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-5,6-methylenedioxytryptamine
N,N-dimethyl-5-methylthiotryptamine
N,N-dipropyltryptamine
N,N-tetramethylenetryptamine
N-butyl-N-methyltryptamine
N-ethyl-4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine
N-ethyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
N-ethyltryptamine
4-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
N-isopropyl-N-methyl-5,6-methylenedioxytryptamine
N-isopropyl-N-methyltryptamine
N-methyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N,N-dipropyltryptamine
4-acetoxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-diallyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N-monoallyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamin
N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine
4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
5-methoxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine
Such information may be submitted to the Drug and Chemical

Evaluation Section and is requested by October 3, 2006. Information
designated as confidential or proprietary will be treated accordingly.
Confidential business information is protected from disclosure under
Exemption 4 of the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(4)(FOIA)
and the Department of Justice procedures set forth in 28 CFR 16.8.
Dated: July 28, 2006.

Joseph T. Rannazzisi,
Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Diversion Control.
[FR Doc. E6-12599 Filed 8-3-06; 8:45 am]
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edit:
PS: That means they're looking into scheduling it.

They filed it on August 3rd of this year, which means nothing will happen in '07, as it takes them at least a year to do all the paperw ork and committee bullshit, but they could
have it approved and scheduled by January '08.
So, if the stuff you bought was good, and you've got the money, buy as much as you can because they WILL be closing the loophole eventually. :(
Or learn how to make your ow n. :)
Olib December 12th, 2006, 03:30 PM

I hope one day this "War on drugs" and all this government propaganda that drugs are "bad" is going to stop.These are entirely my decisions and as long as I dont harm other
people with my recreational drug use,)for example driving a car w hile on 5 grams of psychedelic mushrooms) I should have the right to do any drug I want and not be
oppressed by the government.
pearlcrash911 December 12th, 2006, 09:36 PM

Luckily that list only deals with tryptamines and doesn't mention phenethylamines. The loophole will still be open for at least two more years.
I plan on making an order tonight on bravo for the following:
100mg 2C-I
100mg 2C-E
100mg 2-CT-2
100mg 4-HO-DIPT
100mg 5-MEO-DET
Hopefully the order will only take four days to ship as it did for Nihilist.

I'm guessing the loophole will stay open unless the suppliers start advertising on Google again,or the media reports a bunch of overdoses like with 2C-T-7 a couple of years ago.
digitalangel January 7th, 2007, 09:12 AM

guys/gals
w w w.undrug.org
and click vendor database
aw some site for checking the credability of an sites that you suspect could be dubious

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akinrog D e c e m ber 5th, 2006, 06:45 PM

A few mom e n t s a g o , m y norton antivirus packa g e ( a p p a r e n t l y c o m p l e t i n g a n u p d a t e ) g a v e a n a l e r t o n W inRar software I had
d o w n l o a d e d s o l o n g t i m e a g o f r o m w h e r e I d o n ' t r e m e m ber (m o s t p r o b a b l y P 2 P n e t w o r k s ) a n d I ' v e b e e n u s i n g f o r s o l o n g
tim e that it contains a worm called W32.Fujacks.A.
It m ight be a false alarm but I just want to warn other mem bers of this situtation. If you have downloaded a file called
"wrar330.exe" which is installe r of WinRAR, please be careful with it!...
Anybody using this application (which had been probably downloaded from P2P networks together with a crack therefor) must
be careful and check his/her com puter for virii.
Better careful than so rry. Regards.
FUTI D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 02:01 PM

Thanks akinrog for fast notification and I hope it is benign problem. I had similar problem last year and notify the forum
through a m e m ber whose e-m ail I have. I had problem logging at the tim e and feared is it som e kind of k eylogger (it wasn't
but as you said better safe than sorry) so I didn't wish to comprom ise forum's safety. IIRC it was posted in forum m atters
section and not water cooler like this one. Does forum has a policy on that? Mega , NBK do you have some advice?
Maybe e-mail adress (or pannel) where we could send a request to temporary disable our account untill further notice with
partial report from AV program attache d t o i t w o u l d b e a g o o d i d e a . M a y b e e v e n M e g a c a n u s e f o r u m software to put the
acco u n t n a m e / p a s s u nder scrutiny at our reque s t a n d s e n d u s a l o g i n / l o g o f f t i m e s a n d I P n u m b e r s t o o u r e - m a i l s o w e c a n
c o m p a r e i t a n d s a y i s t h e r e s o m e t h i n g fishy go ing on. What would be the best thing to do if we tra ce that ID theft (besides
p a y i n g s o m e o n e 5 0 $ t o b r a e k t h e k n u ckles of the guy who stoll our password so he can't type for a while - hm, that would be
interesting m e m b e r s h i p f e e : D ) ? W e c a n c h a n g e t h e p a ss maybe, but so the theif can before us at that m o m ent using user
CP. Should we then send e-mail to Mega to set us a new password and send it to us throu g h e - m a il? How would Mega knew
who is who?...Now I'm going in circles. :). Sm all problem = b i g h e a d a c h e .
nbk2000 D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 02:38 PM

W e n e v e r d e l e t e a m e m bers account, only disa ble it, so you can always come back.
A n d m e m bers can't edit or delete their own posts past a short tim e , s o n o o n e s p osts can 'vanish'.
Now, an im poster could take over your account, if you were careless enough to loss your account, but what could the y do with
it? P ost k3wL form u l a s ?
OK, 'you' get banned. Sign up for a ne w account.
You could bo ther an adm in with an e-mail and plead innocence, and we m ight look to see if the IP 's are different, but likely
not.
T o o m a n y t i m e s w e ' v e h a d p e ople plead 'hacker/little brother used m y account' a s an excuse for stupidity that they later
regretted.
It's on YOU to secure your account against sabotage an d hijacking, not ours.
Also, where's your PGP key? How could you prove that you were a certain mem b e r a n d n o t a n i m poster without it?
Staff is far m ore para noid about any irregularities in our com puters because our accounts can fuck up the whole board, not just
ourselves.
I just had a little incident where it looked like o ne of m y external HDD's got infected with ransom ware (had only one file listed
called 'dead letter box' wi-fi m usic in russia.htm l), and so I im mediately notified staff and took other precautions.
Turns out (so far) to have just been a problem with m y firewire controller, but I'm still investigating it to be sure.
W e don't need to be notified everytim e a m e m ber gets a virus, as we'd be running a seperate forum section just for that, as
c o m m o n a s I ' m sure it is.
Exceptions would be any files downloaded from the FTP, or linked to here on The Forum , such as the rapidshares, o r a posted
website running m alicious scripts.
T h e s e c o u l d b e c o n s i d e r e d a s a t a r g e t e d a t t a c k a g a i n s t u s , i n a n a t t e m p t to gain privilege escalation.
This is what staff needs to be IMMEDIATELY notified about, but not by public posting, as that could warn the attacke r that
they've been discovered.
Better is to n otify admins by private message, with a lin k t o t h e o f f e n d i n g p o s t .
O r , i f o n t h e F T P , t h e n a m e o f t h e f i l e o n t h e F T P a n d a PM to TMP, since he's the one running the FTP, as well as RS adm in s.

and we m ight look to see if th e IP's are different, but likely not.
T h a t l e a d s m e t o a q u e s t i o n a b o u t s o m ething that worries m e , I P ' s .
If th e forum was to be taken down by lets say som e government agency, would they be able to ga in access to our IP's and
t i p o f f o t h e r c o u n t r i e s g o v e r n m ents ? I'm s p e a k i n g a b o u t o n t h e p e a k o f the new world o r d e r t h a t d o e s n t l o o k p r e t t y f or the
forum ites if 'they' have out IP's.
ShadowMyGeekSpace D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 10:31 PM
They would have access to the IPs, yes.
rayman D e c e m ber 6th, 2006, 10:55 PM

If th e forum was to be taken down by lets say som e government agency, would they be able to ga in access to our IP's and tip
off other countries go vernm ents? .
Sim ple answer .... YES ....
T h e f o r u m a d m in will not even know that they are being logged by there provider, heck I am sure that there is an American
agency loging this post within minutes of its posting, Th ey are so anal about watching over every o ne's shoulder and with the
content of this forum , But that is neather here nor there as long as you keep your experiments just that EXPER IMENTS
I think at this point in tim e yo u are allowed to learn, you are allowed to experime nt with chem icals, As long as you do not
repeat a successful experim ent severa l times knowing that the resulting reaction creates any cheam ical on your countrys
banned/restricted chem list, But I Am only speaking for the country I reside in, Your laws m ay be diffrent
Poin ts to think about
nbk2000 D e c e m ber 7th, 2006, 02:48 AM

T h e g o v e r n m ents tap s run at a higher level than your local ISP.
Big Brother h as specialized routers con nected d irectly to the TELCO's backbones, m onitoring essentially 100% of all IP traffic
in/out of the continential US, and something like 10% or more of the interstate traffic.
So your ISP is irrelevant, and your IP is already had, so you're fucked if They want you.
So you either operate under the assum ption that you're watched and they're coming for you, in which case you don't even visit
this site.
O r , y o u a s s u m e they're too busy with bigger fish, and operate under the level of Federal interest, m eaning your APAN banger
doesn't exist as far as BB is concerned , unless you're stupid enough to set it off in a gove rnm ent building.

Yep...you can bet the y m onitor everything that goes through this site, PM's includ ed. But even if you were planning to rob a
bank, I doubt they would bother with you because the k ind of intelligence gathering they're doing isn't exactly legal. It's just
not worth it for them to use it against anyone other than terrorists or spies, even big-time "norm al" crim e s a r e p r o b a b l y c a u g h t
regularly and go unre ported by the Echelon guys.
c.Tech D e c e m ber 7th, 2006, 08:55 AM

O r , y o u a s s u m e they're too busy with bigger fish, and operate under the level of Federal interest, m eaning your APAN banger
doesn't exist as far as BB is concerned , unless you're stupid enough to set it off in a gove rnm ent building.
After they ha ve caught the bigger fish I assum e they will be com ing for the smaller ones, especially if that sm aller one was
t a l k i n g a b o u t g o v e r n m ents and inform ational possible terrorist attacks which could occur.
Eliminate all that pose the slightest threat so you can have your perfect little utopia... W ITH SLAVES!!! :m ad: But I guess its
necessary to protect us from evil terrorists as they do ;) :rolleyes:

There will always be bigger fish, But what they will do ( IMHO ) is pass along the chem info to the people th at like to ban every
thing ..........
Alwa ys rem e m ber tha t any one here can be "the m an" . It can be any on e, New m e m ber or old, If you dont think th ey are here
t h e n y o u a r e u n d e r e s t i m a t i n g y o u r e n e m y, Assum e they read th is board, Not trying to scare anyon e off from posting anything,
But lets get real here, The lon g e r y o u h a v e b e e n h e r e t h e m o r e t h a t y o u h a v e l e f t b e h i n d f o r t h e m to find
I for one can cross ch eck several forum boards in a day to find out what a single person has said, I did this not long ago to
find the answer to a question that I ha d about a process, If I can do this anyone can
Jacks Complete D e c e m ber 9th, 2006, 05:03 PM

This is why we keep personal info out of posts, we don't sign up with real nam es, and we don't arrange "m eet-ups", etc.
Y e s , t h e C I A a n d o t h e r s a r e c h o m ping at the bit to get the currently illegal search es and wiretaps they do a ll day every day
m ade legal, so they can expand the powers they have, get a bigger budget, and eventually take over the world, but currently,
they aren't able to. People are slowly realising the governm ent is playing a s h e l l g a m e that we, the people cannot win.
Yes, you can be hit for incredibly petty things, and hit hard. They love it! It's what gets them wet. Sending you down for 2 years
or life for being a tit with an AP charge, or a terrorist with an IED is what gets them a b o n u s .
The danger is that they will catch you bang to rights, stuff in you r hands. Beyond that, the danger is m arginal.
Sausagemit D e c e m ber 11th, 2006, 01:42 AM

The only harm full thing Norton ever found on m y com puter was the key generator I used to crack Norton's autoupdate feature.
It called it a "Maliciou s Hack T ool" :D.
If anybody really wanted to find out who I was It really wouldn't be too hard. The problem of acctually doing som eth ing
m alacious to m e or m y com puter would acctually be very hard. I keep a very tight watch on all the processes that are currently
running on m y com puters and other th i n g s g o i n g o n a r o u n d m e . I m a very suspicious person and I notice almost everything.
I'm the guy who will go to a m ovie and say "the stupid bitch only m oved the shift lever down 2 notches wich would have put her
in neutral rather than drive. God damn I hate autom atics."
Seriously tho ugh, anybody could find out who I am and where I live in under an h our just using the internet. I just don't give
people the incentive to track me down and do some harm.
megalomania D e c e m ber 11th, 2006, 05:57 PM

Lets not fall under th e a s s u m ption that everything here is illega l, and that everyone is breaking the law. Reading about this
stuff is perfectly benign, and basic chem ical experim entation is also lega l (offer void in Kalifornia and Texa ss). Certain
despotic nations worried about a coup m ight forbid the evil Internet, but the English speaking world isnt that far alo ng (yet). If
you are up to no good, well you should be worried.
Nihilist D e c e m ber 11th, 2006, 06:56 PM

All it takes is 1 0day exploit and a rootkit to nail even the most security conscious com puter user. Being vigilant will protect you
from the script kiddies, worm s, viruses, etc..that infest the everyday internet, but when som eone with m o n e y a n d p o w e r ( e . g .
fedgov) wants you, they've go t you.
Crypto can help, but cryptogra p h y i s o n l y a s s e c u r e a s t h e p a s s p h r a s e u s e d t o e n crypt it. If you ha ve all your HD's encrypted
with a 10 billion bit long key, and the best pass phrase ever...but you ha ve to type the thing in every tim e you boot up, all
they've gotta do is intercept your keystrokes fo r a few d ays befo re servin g their warrant to seize your drives.
IMO, the best way to deal with this stuff is to keep your shit as secure as you can...but ultimately, always have an e x p l a n a t i o n
at the ready in the event anything on your com puter should be discovere d, and if you have content on their that could get you
in trouble that there is no excuse for h aving, seriously consider getting rid of it.

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rayman December 6th, 2006, 11:12 PM

Now you dont see this every day in the States
" residents of Cherry Tree, Pennsylvania, would be asked to own guns and know how to use them. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061206/us_nm/usa_guns_dc
Cant use trans-fats in Ny but in PA a small town may soon be asking the residents to buy/own guns and learn how to use them
Interesting country that US of A
DMSOnMyVeins December 7th, 2006, 05:46 AM

There are a couple in Georgia and a few in the western US. IMO this should be nationwide. The right to keep and bear arms is being raped by the ignorant as we speak. The
gun control idiots lie their bums off to control the sheeple. If I had the resources I would move to one of these communities ASAP.:)

Festergrump has posted on this very subject (mandatory gun ownership), I don't recall what thread it was in, though.
IIRC, the crime rate was very, very low in this town.

I'd thought I'd posted about it more than twice but here's all I could find that I had posted before. The town I'm aware of is called Kennesaw and it is a suburb north of Atlanta,
Georgia.
http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?p=82904#post82904
http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?p=69962#post69962
I was a little outdated on my checking up on the open carry laws, though, it seems. Georgia is NOT an open carry state anymore according to packing.org (updated as of Sep
20, 2006):
http://www.packing.org/state/georgia/#stateno_ccw
You can open carry a handgun/pistol/revolver without a permit:

(open manner and fully exposed to view means for all to see, you need to have more than just the grip in view)
* In the home you own/rent/lease or place of business you own/rent/lease

* while legally hunting or fishing with a valid hunting or fishing license(license not needed for persons not required by law to have hunting licenses) on their person and with the
permission of the owner of the land
* while sport shooting when the persons have the permission of the owner of the land on which the activities are being conducted
My apologies for providing misinformation. There ARE many states in the USA which allow open carry, but Georgia is no longer one of them. :(
It is truly a great thing that certain towns, counties, ect. are taking notice of dwindling rights and trying to do something about it. But federal law will always take precedence
over local law, so in effect, if the federal government ever makes owning a gun illegal... who cares what the locals say on the matter. (unless, of course, push comes to shove
comes to BANG! "Fuck you and your federal law"...)
Truth is, from a legal standpoint... all it boils down to is: Will you be tried for a "Gun Ownership" crime in a state court or a federal court?
I highly recommend taking a look at your state's laws and voting only for the politicians who aren't so eager to disarm their population. They pretty much ALL want you
unarmed [EDIT: on a state or federal level. Obviously there are those on a local level who still hold value in our RKBA], but some less so than others...
P.S. Pencil in Tom Selleck (sp?) on the next presidential ballot! :) Now there's a "straight-shooter" (truthful pun) we can trust!
rayman December 7th, 2006, 06:41 PM

I was coming from the point of
The USA is disarming there population and taking away the peoples right to bear arms and freedom to eat trans-fat amoungst many many other removes of freedoms in the
last 5-10 years, yet a SMALL town ( pop 400 ?) WANTS EVERY ONE TO OWN / KNOW HOW TO USE firearms
Just wierd ....
Mind you I think that every one should own/carry a visable hand gun at all times, personal defence is MY responsibility not some cop that is sitting in the local coffee shop or
hurassing the hookers for a free f**k or what have you, So I am all for it, I hope that the bi-law gets voted in

I got side-tracked trying to ammend my previous statements about open carry in Georgia. Sorry. I didn't mean to hijack your thread at all. :o I get a little carried away
sometimes, but since the opportunity was there to correct myself...

Indeed. It only takes one shithead running the country for everything to be turned upside down. Just look at Iraq and the UK.

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clandestiner D e c e m ber 10th, 2006, 05:26 AM

I have a KW A ' h e a v y f r a m e ' G 1 9 ( m o d els a Glock 19) which I ne ver use, but I got it out today as I was going to purchase a
h a n d g u n s o m e t i m e soon and was inve stigating certain things about gripping related to pistols...
during the course of this, I for som e r e a s o n d e c i d e d t o t a k e o f f t h e s l i d e . T h e r e m o v a b l e p a r t s f r o m the side are a spring, a n d
two 'barrels', an inner and an outer. The inner is a much thinner metal that fits inside the outer.
As a quick dim e n s i o n , I d r o p p ed in a 7.62x39 shell into the barrel to gauge it's diameter, and the round fit halfway down its
casing but still let light through (I don't think the outer barrel is rounded in a true circle...)
I have no interest in convertin g this airsoft pistol (at this time, a nyway), but was insanely curious a s t o i f t h i s h a d b e e n d o n e
with any airsofts. They specifically design them (an of course sin ce they're releasing, in this gun's case, gas) so that they can't
be used to fire bullets...at sale time, anyway.
The barrel, o f course, is nonrifled. There's a ha m m er, though. :p
Perhaps with significantly redu ced but still useful loads, the pressure would not be too m uch? Given a need, is there any way
that fixing up an airsoft gun into a true firearm would be quicker or easier than im p l e m e n t i n g a f i r e a r m f r o m ground up?
I a m hoping there is som e previous literature around.
ShadowMyGeekSpace D e c e m ber 10th, 2006, 06:30 PM

I a m hoping there is som e previous literature around.In other words, you haven't done yo ur own research on google or even
here on this forum, but hope there are previous posts here, and you want us to spoon feed you URLs to them ?
clandestiner D e c e m ber 10th, 2006, 10:12 PM

In other words, you haven't done your own research on google o r even here on this forum, but hope there are previous posts
here, and you want us to spoon feed you URLs to them?
In light of yo ur courageous effort to cu t down any collab orative function, I instead offer the following:
A first of a series of posts on a thread related to the subject, as titled, with what I have as m y o w n m e a n s , i n h o p e s s o m e o n e
else around has the same question, where we can share inform ation for the purpose of enlightm ent of all parties.
I've searched this form where people post on n on-W ate r-Cooler boards about 'm aking airsoft plastic BBs hurt 10fps m ore with
m y own explosive m ix' and on Google where people don't like to talk about conversions any more than 'you can't do it'.
Searching is a nevere nding effort, not som e t h i n g o n e d o e s o n c e , and I continue m y search for this informa tion.
Anyway, I wanted to post this before, but m y posts are m oderated: I'll get som e pictures up soon.

He gets a we eks vacation to think about his m anners. :)

I for one would like to see your work after your vacation , but I will tell you the basic's of this have been talked abou t, Unless
your going to get som e pictures and what have you its useless, Have a g ood vacation hop e you com e back with som e
interesting stuff to take this conversation further

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Zajcek D e c e m ber 10th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Since triphosgene is in crystalline form it should be safer than phosgene, which is gas at room tem perature .
W i k i p e d i a a n d s o m e other sources says that triphosgen e is substitute for phosgene.
Som e advantages of triphosgene for m e:

I can buy it
It is in crysta lline form so it is a bit safer to handle
I do not have to prep a r e p h o s g e n e
I d o n o t h a v e t o u s e s p e c i a l e quipm e n t f o r p h o s g e n e p r o d u c t i o n
I do not need to cool phosgene below 8*C
T r i p h o s g e n e c o u l d b e added directly to pressure reactor
Triphosgene can be weighted in exact am ounts
Triphosgene can be stored m uch safer than phosgene
The only two disadvantages are that I do not know if it will work and that it is quite expensive. 100 g of this stuff costs about
270.
I would really like to m a k e s o m e BTNEC , becau se I think it is a very interesting substance.
I f a n y o n e h a s any ex perience and knowledge about it, please share it ;)

Download a copy of The W ar Gases, by Mario Sartori (scanned by yours truely :)) and try one of the processes listed there for
m aking triphosgene yourself.
Or, if you can understand germ a n , m a y b e t h e U l t r a P o i s o n s P D F i n t h e R a p i d s h a r e L i n k s t h r e a d .
Report back with resu lts.

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ultma D e c e m ber 11th, 2006, 10:24 PM

I a m a n d c l e a n i n g a n d cataloguing m y lab for health and safety purposes at the m oment it has years worth of accumulated
l a b c h e m s . T his is m y last chance to m ake certain item s d i s a p p e a r b e f o r e a n y o n e e l s e k n ows about them
I would ask a questio n but m y tim e is short

So here is a list of ex citing chem icals, if any of them are USELESS could please inform me
And if you were in m y shoes p oint m e in the direction of som e exciting things I could do n ot to excoriating though (m a y b e
s o m e sort of flash po wder)
potassium persulfate purity? Orbeco dont have the m s d s a n y m ore cat num ber r-3926
nitrate powder rt-124

64% zinc 32% barium sulfate
http://www.orbeco.com/Pdf/R T - 1 2 4 . p d f
hach sulfide inhibitor

10-20% basic cupric carbonate
8 0 - 9 0 % s o d i u m nitrate
http://app.hach.com / p d f _ s t o r a g e / 3 9 4 2 4 3 . p d f
zinc powder
zinc powder activated with copper
Mercuric thiocyanate 0.23% soln in 99" m e t h a n o l
hach ferric ion soln <10% percholric acid
Karl Fischer solution B
Titia nium tetra cholride
potassium io date
silver nitrate
silver sulphate
sodium azide
potassium dichromate
Urea
Antim ony 98.5%
cadmium coarse powder
H e x a m ine
30% hydrogen peroxide
m ercuric sulfate
m ercuric chlo ride
0.5M iodine volum etric soln
IGEMA Fluid (Ethylene dibrom ide and perchlorethylene)

Titanium tetrachloride for m a k i n g i n s t a n t s m o k escreens. :)
Bert D e c e m ber 11th, 2006, 11:52 PM

If you have all these chem icals accrued over years- W hy do you need to ask what they can be used for?! Or are you about to
clean out SOMEONE ELSE'S lab ?

It's the end of the college school year, so go figure. ;)
ultma D e c e m ber 12th, 2006, 02:22 AM

no its the start of a new processing season I have been in the the lab for only three seasons
I m ainly test waste and rendering products
the com pany has had new lab staff almost every year
they horde everything from old therm ometers, hydrom eters to b roken stills and photom ultiplyer tu b e s
I h a v e h e a p s o f o l d e x p i r e d c h e m s I can take a pic if you like rusty tins benzene with what looks like beer caps on top
I g a v e m o s t h a r m less stuff away(to a high school) when I first started as I was shocked at the amount of surplus chems, an d
h a d t o l o o k l i k e I w a s d o i n g s o m ething about it.
m y tim e is short.
ShadowMyGeekSpace D e c e m ber 12th, 2006, 04:23 AM

Yeah, but his question and the list of chemicals m akes it incredibly clear that he's not a chem istry student. If he was a
chemistry student or was well read he'd know the safety precautions for azides, and thus the use o f what he has.
ultma D e c e m ber 12th, 2006, 04:59 AM

I know azides are explosive.
T h e y a r e t h e e x p l o s i v e u s e d t o i n f l a t e a i r b a g s ( s o d i u m a z i d e m o r e s t a b l e t h a n l e a d a n d s o m e of the othe r metal azides).
I u s e t h e a z i d e i n t h e l a b i n a n a z i d e i o d i d e m odifier for a water treatment test

its a shit of a thing to m a k e u p 500g of NaOH in 1L of d.H20 with about 100 or so gram s o f s o d i u m i o d i d e
I just though t there m i g h t b e s o m e sweet com bo in there for som e sort of interesting powder. I am not interested in anything
too dangerous just some light hearted fun
I c h o o s e t h e s e t h i n g s i n p a r t i c u l a r a s t h e y s e e m e d t o b e t h e m ost reactive and flam m a b l e f o r s o m e sort of nice flash

powder, a f ew others I wasn t s u r e about so I included in the list.
I c o u l d h a v e m e n t i o n e d I h a v e b e n z e n e , p h e n o l , % 6 5 n i t r i c a c i d , conc H2SO4, toluene, xylene(I think, som e idiot in the past

put in one of those clear bottles with blue lids and labelled it xylene with a m arke r), glacial acetic acid (this stuff gives the
m ost annoying burns skin feel very tight),form ic acid, selenium , a b s e t h a n o l , 9 6 % e t h a n o l, m ethanol, propan-2-ol, petroleu m
spirit 40-60C BP, glycerol, octanol, HFl etc.
E t c b u t I d o n t want to hurt m yself or anyone or los e m y job.
I can give yo u a number of ch e m i c a l s t e s t s t h a t u s e s o m e of these reagents if you would like, could m ake a nice cover for you
guys
Eg a m m onia nitrogen : p h e n a t e m e t h o d u s e s p h e n o l , S o d i u m n i t r o p r u s s i d e , s o d i u m h y p o c h o l r i t e , a b s e t h a n o l a n d s o m e o t h er
stuff.
I d o n t h a v e m u c h e x p l o s i v e c h e m i s t r y k n o w l e d g e y e t , a n d t h o s e o f y o u that a r e h o b b y c h e m i s t s I c o m m e n d y o u r k n o w l e d g e
and interest in the su bject
I a m mainly an analytical food chem ist in m y job but studied chem istry, pharmacology and toxicology
m y routine tests inclu d e m oisture, fat, protein via TKN, ash for m e a t a n d b o n e m e a l , b o n e d u s t a n d d r i e d b l o o d ( j u s t m o i s t u r e
and protein), FFA, FAC and bleach on tallow, COD, BO D, TKN, NH3-N,total solids, total suspended and disso lved solids, oil and
grease, floatable fat, total reactive phosphorou s on waste water
This is not m y personal lab but m y work place:D
festergrump D e c e m ber 12th, 2006, 05:29 AM

Yeah, but his question and the list of chemicals m akes it incredibly clear that he's not a chem istry student.
I'll go out on a limb here and wager he's no English major, either.
m y tim e is short.
Agreed.

I'll go out on a limb here and wager he's no English major, either.
Agreed.
I d o s p e a k E n g l i s h b u t y e s m y spelling and gra m m ar are poor a spell checker is far smarter than I
I didnt what to ask any questions but I do have little tim e
I d o h a v e s o m e books on the subject, but if yo u c o u l d g i v e m e t h e n a m e s o f s o m e really good ones that would be nice as
well.
How dangero us is sodium azide if I hit a sm all crystal with a ham m e r w o u l d i t m a k e a n o i s e ?
Sorry for being a newbie but in time I could be of value.
I h a v e s o m e g o o d h a r d t e x t s o n t o x i c o l o g y ( c a s s r e t & D o u l l ? ) , I a l s o h a v e t h e m erck index but thats up fo r download,

G o o d m ans and Gillm ans pha rm acological basics of the rapeutics, Advanced organic chem istry

Yeah, but his question and the list of chemicals m akes it incredibly clear that he's not a chem istry student. If he was a
chemistry student or was well read he'd know the safety precautions for azides, and thus the use o f what he has.
I k n o w a b o u t a z i d e s I h a v e s o d i u m a z i d e i t s n o t t h a t b a d I m a k e it up in a solution for water treatm ent (with NaOH and

N a I ) , y e s t h e y a r e u s e d a s e x p l o s i v e s , in car air bags , a n d f o r p r e s e r v a tive in soln. However there doesn t s e e m t o b e m u c h
m ention of u se of it in a "flashbang" p owder or on its own, I actually have heaps of sodium azide
I d o n t want to ma k e a n y t h i n g t o o d a n g e r o u s a s I h a v e m a n y o t h e r e x p i r e d a n d r o u t i n e c h e m icals I c o u l d h a v e m e n t i o n e d
( P h e n o l , B e n z e n e , H 2 S O 4 c o n c, Fum ing HCl, 65% Nitric acid, Xylene, Toluene, Silver Nitrate, HFl, NH3C l etc.)
I chose the ones on the list in the first post as they are reactive or used in explosives, however there were a few I was
wondering about as well hence the few that are not so h ot
So if you have any interesting ideas th at involve those listed or som e other comm on com p o u n d s d r o p a r e p l y : D
i also have m any sim ple chem ical tests i can tell you about that use m any "usefu l" chem icals as cover if anyone wants. :cool:
Bert D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 11:18 AM

There is no way to teach you what you want to know in one post. You have weeks, m onths or years of reading to do if you wish
to learn this subject. It will not be good for your longevity to hurry into hands on experim e n t a t i o n . Y o u r p o s t s m a k e i t o b v i o u s
you have essentially no knowledge base at this tim e.
Several books on the subject are available. They are discussed here at length, and are downloadable. SEARCH this site. I
would suggest you start with T enney Davis' C hemistry of Powder and Explosives.
Sodium azide is not a prim ary explosive. The main danger of it is toxicity, compa rable to that of cyanide. You should have no
difficulty finding out about THAT in the references you m e n t i o n h a v i n g .
I, and most others here will ig n o r e y o u u n t i l y o u s h o w e v i d e n c e o f h a v i n g d o n e s o m e m eaningful work towards educating

yourself.

There is no way to teach you what you want to know in one post. You have weeks, m onths or years of reading to do if you wish
to learn this subject. It will not be good for your longevity to hurry into hands on experim e n t a t i o n . Y o u r p o s t s m a k e i t o b v i o u s
you have essentially no knowledge base at this tim e.
Several books on the subject are available. They are discussed here at length, and are downloadable. SEARCH this site. I
would suggest you start with T enney Davis' C hemistry of Powder and Explosives.
Sodium azide is not a prim ary explosive. The main danger of it is toxicity, compa rable to that of cyanide. You should have no
difficulty finding out about THAT in the references you m e n t i o n h a v i n g .
I, and most others here will ig n o r e y o u u n t i l y o u s h o w e v i d e n c e o f h a v i n g d o n e s o m e m eaningful work towards educating

yourself.
But I cant ke ep it all. :(
its just the tim e factor i can hide some in the lab but what would be best.
Cheers for the reference i have been reading what i can it helps being already chem istry e d u c a t e d .
s o d i u m a z i d e . y e s b u t it is a solid so I am not going to be handling it without gloves glasses and a coat.
nothing is without its poision its strictly the dose that de t e r m i n e s t h e p o i s i o n
but yeah some are worse the others paraquat

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drunkenpanda D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 12:02 AM

Hey guys.
I was planning on m a k i n g s o m e K N O 3 s m o k e s f o r s o m e airsoft gam e s t h a t I p u t t o g e t h e r , b u t I h e a r d f r o m s o m e o ne that the

s m o ke is carcinogenic. This could be bad for obvious reasons.
I tried lookin g around for this on other threads as well as done some research on m y own, but I have found no definitive
proof. I did read that there was a theory that nitrates could be carcinogenic if used as a preservative, but nothing on potassium
nitrate specifically or using it as sm oke. If any of you guys have heard about it, either yes or no, please let m e k n o w.
DMSOnMyVeins D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 02:12 PM

KNO3/sugar sm o k e c o m pounds are NO N-Toxic
I repeat NON-Toxic, UTFSE ok??
:mad:
Olib D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 04:26 PM

Dont worry KNO3/sugar sm o k e c o m pounds give off relatively harm l e s s s m o k e .
But there are a LOT better sm o k e c o m pounds than the standard KNO 3/Sucrose m i x.The m ain problem with them is all the
heat from t h e r e a c t i o n c a u s i n g t h e s m o k e t o d i s p e r s e h igh in the air while m ilitary sm oke devices are relatively cool causing
t h e s m oke to stay a lot longer in lower altitude.
Kind a wandered off topic there but anyway the sm o k e i s h a r m l e s s a n d K N O 3 / s u c r o s e s m o k e m i x e s s h o u l d w o r k O K i n y o u r
airsoft games,just dont stand over the device inhaling.:)
drunkenpanda D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 11:51 PM

Thanks for being patient. I did search, but didn't see anything:o . I will look into som e cooler ones as well, so thanks Olib.
DMSOnMyVeins D e c e m ber 14th, 2006, 06:36 AM

If you had searched you would find out that Potassium Nitrate/Sugar sm o k e c o m p o u n d s a re non-toxic. The info is here I just
located it by using TFSE. I suggest that you did n't UTFSE. End of story.......... I don't want this to end up as a F/L/H section so
I'm done.........
Alexires D e c e m ber 16th, 2006, 02:51 AM

*cough* R elatively non-toxic.
I know from e x p e r i e n ce that prolonged exposure to KNO3/Sugar sm oke devices will leave you
Light headed
U n a b l e t o b r e a t h e c o m fortably
Inca pable of any exertion (forget running, dodging, shooting, etc.)
W hether this is merely from sm oke inhalation or from the K2O form ing KOH in your lungs, I'm not sure.

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www.whosarat.com
I was watching House on Fox and an ad for Geraldo Rivera's bullshit "scare the sheeple" show came on. However, it mentioned
this site and asked the question "why hasn't it been shut down yet?", because the fuckwit doesn't understand the concept of
civil rights. But, I thought it might be a very interesting resource for more than a few of yo u.

If it wasn't out in the open, where the pigs could see that their a gents were 'blown', then it'd be operated on the dark net, out
of their sight, where only crim inals wou ld have access to it, ensuring only cops and their snitches got killed. :)
Match D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 02:30 PM

416 agent profiles... Sounds inform ative.

C o n s i d e r i n g h o w m a n y police agents there are in the US, 416 is a drop in the ocean, and that's over the entire US.
Consider how there's over 1 m illion law enforcem ent officers in the US. Unless that 416 wa s all from (say) the NYPD, there's no
way it'd have any real effect.

I guess my sarcasm wasn't ve ry prom inent. Sorry NBK.
sdjsdj D e c e m ber 15th, 2006, 07:03 AM

Doesn't it strike anyone else that this could be a rather clever way of spreading distrust through terrorist or crim i n a l g r o u p s b y
releasing false intelligence? After all, if you wanted to get rid of a terrorist psychopath, what better way of elim i n a t i n g t h e m
than to tell their terro rist buddies they're a fed?

I doubt Al-quaida is subscribing to Who's a Rat.com.
festergrump D e c e m ber 17th, 2006, 04:22 AM

I see sdjsdj's point, though. AND it could be useful to set up an enem y with a nice broad profile there to be tter exact a
reve nge. I know someone whose life would take a very interesting turn if he were to be exposed as a rat...
Cobalt.45 Decem ber 22nd, 2006, 03:03 PM

After all, if you wanted to get rid of a terrorist p sychopath, what better wa y of elim inating them than to tell their terrorist
buddies they're a fed?
An oldie but a goodie .
T h i s p l o y h a s b e e n s u c c e s s f u l l y u s e d i n n u m erable tim es by both sides of the law.
That's how they got Valachi to roll over on hid "friends".
megalomania D e c e m ber 25th, 2006, 06:08 AM

If I am not mistaken was this topic discussed a year or so ago when this website was first created? Maybe it was not the exact
d o m ain, but I rem e m ber something ju st like this.

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Smoakie D e c e m ber 13th, 2006, 10:07 PM

I was wondering if anyone knows what the shelf life of a m m onium nitrate is?
In m y Im provised C-4 book, it says to only use fresh AN. It is getting harder and harder to find AN so I would like to stock
s o m e a s s u m ing it will last awhile.
AN is quite hygroscopic and I have had it mess up m y 'experim ents' because I did not dry it first. After drying it, it seems to
behave the same as a brand new bag.
So I'm wondering if as long as I dry it out before hand, will it last a reasonable am ount of tim e, or will it start breaking down
i n t o a u n u s e a b l e c o m position fairly quickly? If it breaks down, what does it turn into?
Thanks!
sprocket D e c e m ber 14th, 2006, 06:28 AM

P u r e a m m o n ium nitrate can be considered stable at room tem perature. Even at elevated temperatures (up to 100C ) there
won't be any significant decom position. I don't see any problem storing it for several years.
However, tha t is for pure AN. There are several substances that catalyze the decom position. Most notably chlorides, nitrites,
chrom ium a n d m a n g a n e s e c o m pounds. Even with small am ounts of such catalysts present in the AN the de com position will be
rather slow at room tem perature. It is still stable for sto rage.
An interesting observation is that coated AN seem s m o r e s t a b l e t h a n u n c o a t e d . T h a t m e a n s i t ' s b e s t s t o r e d u n p r o c e s s e d .
At low tempe ratures the reactions contributing to a deco mpositio n are m ost likely:
NH4NO 3 <=> NH3 + HNO3
NH4NO 3 --> N2O + 2 H2O
All o f the decomposition products are easily evaporated and will not contam inate your AN. I think what your book su ggests is to
only use freshly processed (dried) porous AN. The age of the actual AN doesn't m atter.
Smoakie D e c e m ber 14th, 2006, 02:31 PM

Thanks sprocket.
That was the kind of info I was looking for.
I m ainly use it for m y exploding targets so a couple bags will last m e quite awhile. Just didnt want to buy it if I'm going to end
up throwing it out in a year.

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DMSOnMyVeins D e c e m ber 14th, 2006, 07:11 AM

I ' v e b e e n t h i n k i n g a b out posting this "post" for about 3 m onth's now. W ell here it is.
It all started when I purchased about $500.00 worth of chemicals and glassware from a com pany called Elem ental Scientific,
LLC. I got my order a bout 3 m onth's a fter placing m y order.... That's when the strange shit started happening. I was changing
m y oil, m y o i l p a n d i s a p p e a r e d , I a s k e d m y GF to help m e look for it, sh e couldn't find it, either could I. My home was
burglarized TWICE.... NOTHING W AS TAKEN..... And there was money on the kitchen counter......
A b o u t 6 m o n th's after receivin g the order from Elemental Scientific, It was about 9PM on a W e d n e s d a y , A b o u t 1 0 t o 2 0 C ounty
Sheriff's were in front of m y house, I h ad about an 1/8th of an acre in a m e t r o a r e a i n t h e U S . O n e d e p u t y k n o c k e d o n m y
door with the "cop knock"..... I answered the door and he said "W e are in pursuit of a subject who ran from us, can we search
your residence?" I said "No, you can not search m y residence without a warrant" He said "I was being polite, If you don't
consent to a search I will detain you and search your residence, since I am in hot pursuit I don't need any warrant to search
your property"
That's when I alm ost shit m yself... He was correct though. Cops don't need a warrant to search a residence when they are in
hot pursuit. I found o ut from m y neighbors that my home was the only h o m e o n m y stree t to be searched that night...
I just want others to know the dirty tricks that cops use.
I don't now or have I ever done anything illegal with chemicals, lab apparatus.. Now I am sure as ever, I won't ever do
anything near illegal with anything lab related. Especially after what has happened.
I will post m ore info about what happened later, there is much m ore that happened that I can relay to you all.

I n s a n e , D o t e l l u s m ore.

W hat type of chemicals did yo u purcha se and in what am o u n t s ?

The list of ch e m s I o r d e r e d i s l o n g , t h e c h e m s a t e l e m ental are cheap so I thought I'd stock up and order a lot.
Glacial acetic acid

Nitric acid
Phosphoric acid
Sulfuric acid
Pthalic anhydride
Stearic acid
Succinic acid
Tartaric acid
Am m o n i u m h y d r o x i d e
Biuret Protein test sol.
Calcium carbide
Diatom aceos earth
Ethyl acetate
Glycerine
Hexachloroethane
Hexane
Hydrogen peroxide 30%
Iodine
Nickel powder
Parafin oil
Petroleum ether
Potassium io dide
Potassium permanganate
Sodium flouride
S o d i u m f o r m ate
Sodium iodide
Zinc sulfide
I also ordere d a 2 n e c k 2 5 0 m L 2 4 / 4 0 r o u n d b o t t o m f l a s k a n d a 3 n e c k 2 5 0 m L 2 4 / 4 0 r o u n d b o t t o m f l a s k a n d a n a l l i h n
condenser.
During the tim e between the order arriving and the illegal search of m y h ome I received at least 5 calls a day from 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 -
0 0 0 a n d 2 2 3 - 7 7 8 - 9 9 6 3 . W hoever this was calle d 7 days a week. The day after the search I receive d no more calls. There is no
area code 223 and th e 000-000-0000 is obviously fake.
I went to see an attorney about sueing the ******* county sherrif's departm ent and he found out that I have a bench warrant
for failing to appear in court on a traffic summ o n s . I p l e d n o t g u ilty and forgot to show up after receiving th e s u m m o n s . I ' v e
b e e n s t o p p e d f o r s p e eding twice since the warrant was issued and the wa rrant never showed up. Maybe warrants are s u s p e n d e d
p e n d i n g a n i n v e s t i g a t i o n ? I m ay have to move out of the county during the lawsu it, for fear of harrasment.
During the search only one cop went in to my home with a dog and the co p went around tapping on everything to get the dog to
sniff everything. There were 3 cops there that had M-4's with the box type scope. Wearing black long sleeve sweatshirts that
say Sheriff on the sleeves in yellow color and tactical vests.
All the cars there were marked patrol cars except 2 white chevy suburbans with very dark tinted windows.
I a l s o s h o u l d a d d t h a t W h e n s p e a k i n g t o m y neighbor down the street she said that a fire truck was parked around the corner
during the search. Maybe for em e r g e n c y d e c o n t a m a n a t i o n p u r p o s e s ?
I m e n t i o n e d t h e o i l p a n b e c a u s e m y theory is that cops watching m y hou s e m ay have played a practical joke, probably from
bein g bored out of their m inds. W ho would steal an oil pan full of used o il and leave behind a toolbox full of SNAP-ON tools.
Snap-on tools are very expensive and have a high resale value.
Cobalt.45 D e c e m ber 15th, 2006, 01:33 PM

W ell, there's your pro blem ! (like dude says on "Myth Busters")
Y o u h a v e t o a d m it- with that list of chemicals and equip ment, you could definitely be up to no good, in the eyes of law
enforcem ent.
Had you been a true terrorist, they'd have brou ght you down- hard.
You might well consid er yourself fortun ate that all 'they' have do ne is violate your rights and steal your "oil pan".
Alexires D e c e m ber 16th, 2006, 03:08 AM

Dude, with half that shit, you were asking to ge t stung.
First thing I thought when I looked at it was "Meth". If I ordered that all at once (or at all) I would be paranoid BEFO RE funny
shit started happening.
I would recomm end reading what NBK has to say on reflective IR devices, hom e d e f e n s e a n d a l s o y o u m i g h t w a n t t o c o n s i d e r
buying a cam era to watch your house when you are out.
T h a t s u c k s d u d e , y o u r freaking m e out now....
blazes816 D e c e m ber 17th, 2006, 11:16 PM

Very weird. I think the money on the counter is the weirdest.

Aside from the iodine and nickel powder, there's not really anything there that's used for m eth.
Now, it could just as easily be that UPS ratted you out, knowing that you are getting delive ries of chem icals to a private
residence.

Nitric acid and sulfuric acid don't look like the standard chemicals for som eone wh o has legal intents IMO .
sparkchaser D e c e m ber 19th, 2006, 02:55 AM

All that stuff com bined with enough glassware to cause trouble, but not q uite enough to start a full hom e lab.....it would look
like a troublesome cause was brewing.
They probably thought your oil pan was full of some noxious chemical (other than oil), or that they could at least find enoug h
traces of one to hem you up for awhile .
calcium carbide+water= acetylene, m aybe that would he lp explain the fire truck. Not to m ention all the other flamm a b l e s .
S o m ebody ratted you out, unless "they" saw a shipment from a chem ical supplier to a private hom e , f o l l o w e d i t h o m e a n d
then searche d that hom e to find out what all was there. All legal under the Patriot Act I believe.
"Gotta make shur thit them durned sneeky terurists arn t a tryin' ta m a k e n o o c u l a r weapuns!"
oregon-machinist D e c e m ber 19th, 2006, 03:08 AM

A while now, simply from the Title of this thread!
I know I have not done anything illegal, yet the feelinin g of Paranoia is there.
I h a v e b e e n t h r o u g h s o m e he avy issues in the last thre e m o n t h s , a n d I t o o k a b r e a k f r o m " m o r e " o f a n y t h i n g e l s e .
T h e n u m b e r s o f C h e m i c a l s t h a t y o u b o u g h t w o u l d s e e m to m e to be a "signal" fo r an order to a re sidence....
I think I would break up such an order to three or four companies?
A n d m a y b e o r d e r t h e l a b e q u i p m ent separate....
But then, I'm a n o l d m an, who moves slow.... I have all m y life! :eek:
augoldminer D e c e m ber 19th, 2006, 06:03 AM

Under the Patriot Act they can enter yo ur house, And plant bugs, Put a key logger on your computer, Look for drugs. All without
telling you.[This may look like a burglary if the cops are not good at it] Also using the cover story of being "in pursuit of a
subject" would m ean that they did not have to tip you off that th ey had a Patriot Act W arrant.
You did the right thing in not giving them perm ission. if they had found somethin g, It might have been thrown out of court if
they did not have a warrant. And if they were working under a Patriot Act W arrant it m ight have still been thrown out. Stranger
thing have happened.
Also you nee d to put a camera system with sound in your house to protect yourself from t h e c o p s a n d t h e c r o o k s .
P l u s k e e p y o ur glassware locked up when you are not using it.

If a meth head found your glassware he would trade it for meth to a m eth cook. All you need is the cops to find a m e t h l a b
with glass wa re with your finge rprints on it. [This happened to a collage p rofessor in Bakersfield Ca lif.]
A few years ago the cops took m y portable wet chem ical gold and silver field assay lab out of my truck. they though t it was a
drug lab.
I never got all of it back, They keep all the che m i c a l s a n d s e n t t h e m t o a h a z m at facility.
But the dum b cops did not know that i could m ake at least three explosives with what was in the la b. They were only looking
for drugs.
If you set up a h o m e l a b g e t a f e w s m all note books and keep lab notes of what you do. This will m ake it hard for the cops to
m a k e y o u l o o k l i k e a d r u g m aker or terrorist. And you will look like a chemist.
simply RED D e c e m ber 19th, 2006, 02:08 PM

Next tim e they will do the sam e thing to you just for ordering books...
Acco rding to the corporations, knowledge should not be available to the normal citizen. Yo u have only perm ission to be voting
s h e e p , d u m b ass buyer, big b rother watcher an d SMS sednder! Through their foundations (for exam ple the Hum boldt
f o u n d a t i o n b e e i n g s p o n s o r e d b y S i e m ens) funding for science is available alm ost only to the friends and the relatives of the
corporation bosses.
Organisations like this are currently do ing econom ical crim e s , f o r e x a m ple non-legal construction building, without a ny
p r o b l e m ...
From Bill Gates to the last corrupted pig that prevents you from buying H2SO 4! This is all part of the sam e g a m e - t h e g a m e
of the global capital feodalism ...
DMSO, I guess, they chewed on your frying pan like a pig - oliy newspaper :D .

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Horrigan D e c e m ber 15th, 2006, 02:02 PM

Hi :)
I was wondering about something, i have both NaNO 3 and NH4NO 3, and i can buy K2SO 4. My question is: would K2SO4 react
with NaNO3 or NH4NO3 to m ake KNO 3 ?
2 NaNO3 + K2SO 4 ---> Na2SO 4 + 2 KNO3

or
2 NH4NO3 + K2SO4 ---> (NH4)2SO4 + 2 KNO 3
I can't find any inform a t i o n a b o u t t h a t o n g o o g le...

or, is there a n available potassium compound that could react with NH4NO3 or NaNO 3 to m ake KNO3 ? (i ca n't get KC l nor KOH
nor K2CO 3)
Thanks :)

Y o u n e e d t o u s e c a l c i u m nitrate. The others would work, but how to seperate them when they're all in solution?
Horrigan D e c e m ber 16th, 2006, 07:15 AM

So, those reactions are right ?
For the separation, i was thinking on using solubilities

If you use calcium nitrate, the resulting calcium sulphate precipitates out to form a s l u d g e at the b ottom from which you can
sim ply pour the potassium nitrate solu tion off from .

F i n d a n o t h e r c o m p o u n d . T h e l e a s t s o l u b l e c o m p o u n d p r e c i p i t a t e s 1st.
Sulp h a t e s o f p o t a s s i u m a n d s o d i u m a r e l e s s s o l u b l e t h a n a n y o f t h e n i t r a t e s
involved. Are you sure you can't find KCl in the form of salt substitute or
ice melter ? I've used that with NaNO3 in the past but I have to be honest.
It's a pain in the ass getting your KNO3 that way.

2 NaNO3 + K2SO 4 ---> Na2SO 4 + 2 KNO3
I'm quite sure this ones right, not com pletely sure but you could do a test by working out the solubilities of all 4 at a specific
temp. then add enough water for one of the possibilities to dissolve (ie. 2NaNO 3 and K2SO4 or Na2SO 4 and 2KNO3) By
working out if all the chem icals dissolved you can tell if the reaction occurred.
It's best to p urify you r chem icals before doing this test, use accurate scales and a thermom eter to get the right results.

W ell, i live in France, no KCl for remplacement of NaCl here, no KNO 3 in gardenstores, som etimes NH4NO3 or NaNO3, but I was
lucky !
I heard cigarette ashes were pretty pure K2CO 3, I'll try this one.
In fact, i could get KC l by stealing it in a farmer store, not far from here, where all fertilize rs are stored outside... i know they
have KCl (do n't ask me how) but i don 't really like this idea...
I'd love to get K2CO 3, because with NH4NO3 it makes amm o n i a a n d K N O 3 , a m monia is very easy to rem ove !
Thanks c.Tech, i think i'll try 2 NaNO3 + K2SO4 ---> Na2SO4 + 2 KNO3 and the other one too (because NH4NO3 is really easier
to get and cheaper !)
If it works and i find a way to separate KNO3 I will tell here how to do.
Thanks to all :)

I heard cigarette ashes were pretty pure K2CO 3, I'll try this one.
Charcoal left over from a fire is better, cigarette ashes would be loaded with heap s of other chemicals and how much cigs would
you need to sm oke to get 1g of K2CO3?
Thanks c.Tech,
No problem, you can do us a favour now and fix up your gram mar by capitalising your letter 'i'. ;)

W ell, that's right :( but wood ashes contains at most 10 % K2CO3 I think...
Sorry for m y " i " a n d t h a n k s a g a i n : p

Cindor D e c e m ber 17th, 2006, 07:17 AM
You can filtrate the K2CO 3 from the rest of the ashes...

I heard the yield of K2C O3 wa s low, even if it's not too bad instead of wa sting your wood and contributing to the gre e n h o u s e
effect just buy it from a chem supplier, its not a suspicious chem ical.

Ok thanks, I'll try to get K2CO 3 from a chem ical supplier, but the nearest chem ical supplier is 20m iles from here :-/ I'll try fist
K2SO4.
Yesterday, I went to a gardenshop and found a fertilizer nam ed "organic potash" (in french,"potasse organique"), n o NPK was
given, but the composition was 38% K2O (38% K)
Here are the comm ons chem ical compounds often called potash and % K:
38,6 % KNO 3
56,5 % K2C O 3
69,6 % KO H
52,34 % KC l
44,8 % K2SO 4
Does that m eans that "Organic Potash" is KNO3 ? I just ask if someone knows, because I would'nt like to spend 8$ for shit ^^
Thanks :)

Google is your friend

I know, if I a sk it, it's because I did no find anything on google :(

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pickledenumerator D e c e m ber 16th, 2006, 02:48 AM

After doing som e research on both this forum and quite a few others, m ost of which we're located off of google, I fo u n d s o m e
schematics for an EMP device. The materials required for this aren't too terribly difficult to find and with a little m o n e y , a n d a
little effort, it was quite simple to build . Now I'm not quite sure yet of all of the forum rules, so am hesitant to post the tif files
I downloaded. I will however p ost the link where i found these 2 schem atics. They both cam e in a single zip file the mini design
is th e one that I used for m y EMP experim ent. Although the range is not significant and the pulse not very powerful, I did in
fact test it successfully on both floppy disks at a range of around 5 yards as well as a sm all portable radio at the sam e r a n g e .
The floppy disks were erased and the portable radio ceased to work.
T h o s e s c h e m atics can be found here.
http://www.linkbase.o r g / e m p - w e a p o n /

Y o u u s e d i n f o r m a t i o n from a site with porn add s down the side and got good results? :p
Good job ;)
rayman D e c e m ber 16th, 2006, 10:04 AM

First weclom e to the forum , Second as a newbie you are m akeing some big claims, I would post pictures of your device ASAP
pickledenumerator D e c e m ber 16th, 2006, 12:48 PM

I'll make sure to do so, as soon as I can borrow a digi cam :)
EDIT: I spoke with a friend ea rlier today, he is going to let m e b orrow his digital camcorde r. Be with watchfu l eyes, a n d
hopefully within the next couple of days, I'll add a link to youtube so you all can see how it worked .

I personaly would like to see it as I'm sure would a few others with out doubt, seeing as I do not see any p ictures in that zip
file, not now nor when i first downloaded it several m o n t h s a g o
Chopper D e c e m ber 19th, 2006, 09:51 AM

P e r h a p s I ' m m i s s i n g s o m ething here; How would one use a sim ple air-core wire-wound inductor as a directional antenna?
I m ean, if this device is said to nuke floppies and a rad io @ 5 yards, then how does one isolate the electronics from the 'pulse'
- the one that operates at 50% duty cycle? :rolleyes:
Not only that, but how m uch energy can be stored in (a) a coil without a ferrite core (b) in a capacitor of 0.1 or 1.0 u F..
Me thinks that even without the schem atics, this is nothing m ore than a radio transmitter. I'd be surprised if the peak voltage
across the coil reache d m ore than a few thousa nd volts. (I'd actually be surprised if it was 1000v +)
Additionally, the parts list m e n t i o n s f r e q u e n c i e s f r o m 1 5 6 H z t o 1 4 0 K h z . S o c o u l d a n y b o d y e x p l a i n t o m e how a circuit that is

switching 156 tim e s a second can ram p the voltage up anywhere _near_ fast enough to be of concern?

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Dr HigZ D e c e m ber 18th, 2006, 08:08 AM

http://www.zshare.net/download/explosives-pdf.html

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I ' v e s e a r c h e d t h e s i t e a n d h a v e n ' t s e e n a n y t h i n g a b o u t t h e s e 2 W a s h i n g ton men and their legal troubles regarding
m anufacturing ricin.
Robert Alberg manufactured ricin in his kirkland apartment and em ailed several of his fam ily m e m bers stating that he wanted
to end all life on earth, and he wanted to die on federal death row, he stated that "that would be so nice".
He was only charged with possession o f ricin (not m anufacturing!!) and he was only sentenced to 3 years in federal prison, his
r e l e a s e d a t e i s 1 2 / 2 3 /2007, h e is currently at Rochester FMC in Minnesota.
K e n n e t h O lsen who was only caught in possession of ricin and did not m ake any terrorist threats, (as Robert Alberg did),
received 13 years in federal prison. His release date is 4/2/2011.
This shows just how retarded our justice system is. I can't understand why someone making such terrorist threats and making
the poisons to back up their statements would receive such a light sentence.
My brother who sold guns illegally received 28 years in federal prison followed by lifetime probation, he also has a laundry list
of probation conditions he has to obide by for the rest of his life including a curfew, and has to com ply with searches of his
r e s i d e n c e a n d p e r s o n at the whim of his P.O. and No alcohol or drugs.
I t s e e m s t o m e that the lesse r the crime the m ore the tim e. Next, riding a bicycle without a headlight at night will get you
executed on the spot.
Here's a link to the story about Robert Alberg:

http://archives.seattletim es.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=ricin13e&date=20040413&query=ricin

Maybe alberg was considered a nutter, so he got a light sentence, whereas the other guy m a y h a v e h a d s o m e t i e ( e v e n
remotely) to a m ilitia or some such organization.
Also, maybe the nutter only had castor bean powder, and the other had actual ricin?
As for your brother, I can tell you anything having to do with guns is a major ass-ream ing if the feds get involved.

Robert Alberg (3 year sentence) was only diagnosed with Asperger's syndrom e. This m e a n s a b s o l u tely nothing beca use it only
alters the way a person com m unicates and is not a psychotic disorder. Asperger's syndrom e is also called "Highly functional
autism "
R o b e r t A l b e r g h a d p o s s e s s i o n o f a c t u a l Ricin and had Bacillus Anthracis cultures in his apa rtment.

Anthrax + Ricin = Tim e

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Esteban D e c e m ber 23rd, 2006, 03:27 PM

I was making TNP when I added KNO3 it got ve ry hot so do I really have to boil the Sulfuric acid?
Alexires D e c e m ber 23rd, 2006, 07:29 PM

Fair enough, you have some questions anoud TNP.
But grow som e f u c k i n g b r a i n s a n d a t l e a s t p o s t t h e 2 o f t h e m T O G E T H E R s o m e w h ere in one of the many th reads relating to

TNP (aka Picric Acid).
If you had run a search on Picric Acid here, you would have found this (http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?
t=4951&highlight=picric+acid) thread, and this (http://www.roguesci.org/theforum /showthread.php?t=107&highlight=picric+acid)
thread, as well as this (http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showth read.php?t=5643 &highlight=picric+acid) thread. Any one of
which would have eith er
a) Answered your questions or

b) W o u l d h a v e b e e n a s u i t a b l e p l a c e t o p o s t y o u r q u e s t i o n s .
Thats only on the first of 5 pages of results.
W ith m ost synthesis, when a certain concentration of chem ical is used it's because you NEED that concentration.
If your synth (which I hope you found at Mega's Chem Lab) says 98% sulfuric acid, then you need to use 9 8%. It isnt that
hard, boil your acid till it has a density of 1.84 g/cm3 or there about.
In regards to your question about usin g NH4NO 3, I'm pretty sure you can.
But I'm not going to do your research for you, go find it yourself.

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voivod D e c e m ber 23rd, 2006, 09:23 PM

Greetings all, I did a search on all foru ms for nw0 and cam e u p e m p t y s o s i n c e i t d o e s n ' t a p p e a r t o h a v e b e e n m e n t i o n e d
before, here it is http://nw0.info
I don't know if the stuff there is of any interest to you o r you've seen it all before but I thought I'd m ention it, it's free for
download, no registra tion required, som e interesting firearms stuff under eBooks, loads of conspiracy videos, all in all they
claim +90Gb of stuff.
Share and enjoy
ozboy D e c e m ber 24th, 2006, 04:37 AM

T h e r e m u s t b e s o m ething wrong with the search engine.
This topic has been m entioned many tim es.

Searches for words or acronym s of 3 le tters or less will return no results, so searching for nw0 will bring ZERO results.
A se arch for world ord er video will get you very specific results. :)

The google search, however, should find such a term... but it doesn't (ye t).

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Gerbil D e c e m ber 23rd, 2006, 10:46 PM

This guy m ust literally live under a rock, although his ideas about gun co ntrol are just abo ut as intelligent as one:
http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.11.6.21654.1217 .html
P e r h a p s t h e m o s t c o m m on justification is that of "self-defense." Rather than relying on our highly trained police force, these
p e o p l e b e l i e v e i n s o m e sort of vigilante justice, not unlike cowboys and robbers in the old west. Bo o k s s u c h a s M o r e G u n s ,
Less Crim e argue for this.
S u p p o s e a p e r s o n b r e a k s i n t o your house at night and attacks you with a knife. Now, according to the right-wing point of view,
you would be justified in shooting him with the gun you keep hidden under your pillow.
However, it is impossible to truly understand the circum stances leading up to this person's breaking into your house . P e r h a p s
h e i s a m inority. Maybe he was made fun of in school for being a homosexual. He is probably poor. Knowin g these facts, how
can you, an upper m iddle class exploiter, be justified in ending this man's life? The answer is: you can't.
In fact this m an is ho m e l e s s a n d w a s m erely looking for som e food to feed his starving family. By killing him in so-called self-
d e f e n s e y o u a r e n o b etter tha n a com m on m urderer.
ShadowMyGeekSpace D e c e m ber 23rd, 2006, 11:12 PM

Noone can be that m oronic.... if it is fo r real, I'm sure the person had a horrible childhood, being beaten re peatedly in the
s c h o o l y a r d b y p e o p l e h e d i d n 't stand up to.
PS: W h o t h e h e l l c a l l s s e l f d e f e n s e m urder? ugh.
knowledgehungry D e c e m ber 24th, 2006, 12:43 AM

W hat worries m e m ore than anti-gun laws is that Am ericans are stupid enough to fall for them .
cyclosarin D e c e m ber 24th, 2006, 02:09 AM

Since when h as capital punishm ent been justified for a break in with a knife?
W ouldn't it be better for all concerned to just taser them or spray them with tear gas till th ey drop the knife and call the police?
ragman7 D e c e m ber 24th, 2006, 10:58 AM

Don't believe m e ? I m agine the typical day of the white m ale hunter:
The hunter g ets up early, before daybreak. Wh ile shaving, he cuts his face. He tastes the blood and it is good. His desire fo r
the prey has become sexual.
Late r that m orning, the hunter enters the forest with his phallic firearm , and stalks the great horne d b e a s t . H e s e e s o n e
inno cently drinking water from a stream, and raises his phallus-gun to his shoulder. Pulling the trigger he releases his sperm -
bullet into the innocent m a m mal. But rather than life, his sperm-bullet spreads death. The deer grunts in surprise, and falls to
the ground, dead.
haha, It's go tta be a joke!
Cobalt.45 D e c e m ber 24th, 2006, 01:06 PM

I believe that much o f this sort of spew is a kin d of "reverse psychology".;)
A se mi-clever way of m aking people see a particular point of view by stating som ething so outrage ously skewed, that the first
im pulse is to defend the very action th at's bein g called into question.
W hich is the intention all along.
This was probably endorsed by the NRA.:D

A woman gets in a parking lot elevator, and a m a n , n a k e d e x c e p t f o r a c o n d o m o n h i s e r e c t c o c k a n d a s k i - m ask, jum p s i n

with her just as the doors are closing.
W hich is m ore likely?
A) She's about to get RAPED. :)
OR
B) He's just come back from a M a s k e d Streakers ball and put the condom on to keep his johnson warm on the walk back to his
car. :p
W ith som e things, it's pretty fucking obvious to anyone who didn't take the short bus to school tha t nothing good will come
from certain actions.
Anyone who breaks into your house at night an d with a knife isn't there because they're the Butcher Knife Fairy. They m a y b e
coming to slip you on e, but it won't be under your pillow. ;)
And, if I was a burglar, given the option of being shot in the head, or carved and skewered by a foot long piece of razored
stee l and left to die with m y entrails around m y ankles, I'd rather take the bullet, thank you very much. :)

A se mi-clever way of m aking people see a particular point of view by stating som ething so outrage ously skewed, that the first
im pulse is to defend the very action th at's bein g called into question.
That's what I was thinking, but he seem s t o b e k e e p i n g up the act fairly consistently if you look at his other posts. Could be a
troll, of course...
In other news, apparently it's legal for vets in the UK to own han d g u n s , i n c l u d i n g . 4 4 m a g n u m : e e k : . T a l k a b o u t a l o o p h o l e . . .
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-ne ws/1451949/posts

Are you fucking retarded? Have you ever been sprayed or sprayed som eone with tear gas? Guess what buddy, tear gas isn't
k n o c k o u t g a s , s o m eone can still kill you after being sprayed with tear gas. The sam e g o e s f o r b e i n g t a s e r e d I h a v e s e e n
v i d e o s o f p e o p l e h i g h o n P C P c o m pletely unaffected by several police tasers.
W hen it comes to pro tecting m e or my family I won't take the chance of m y family getting hurt so som e strung out junkie can
live a few m ore m onths before OD'ing in an alley or getting shot by the cops.
On the issue of the validity of the article I personally belive that people are this stupid, I.E. Cyclosarin.

W hat if your taser or teargas m isses the target and just pisses him off? W hat might have been a robbery just turned into a
robbery homicide... You don't always n eed to fire a gun for it to work against a criminal.
Hm m, it would be nice to know the exact situation and psychological m akeup of every would be crim inal, but that just is pure
fantasy. If som e stranger carrying a knife is rifling through m y cupboards he is getting shot. If he wants food let him go to a
church, soup kitchen, or steal from the dam n wal m art.
sparkchaser D e c e m ber 25th, 2006, 08:28 AM

Guess what buddy, te a r g a s i s n ' t k n o c k o u t g a s , s o m eone can still kill you after being spra yed with tear gas. The sam e g o e s f o r
bein g t a s e r e d I h a v e s e e n v i d e o s o f p e o p l e h i g h o n P C P c o m p l e t e l y u n a f f e c t e d b y s e v e r a l p o l i c e t a s e r s .
I agree.
During training for Em bassy Security, we are subjected to numerous different type s of irritants, and expecte d to perform our
duties as if nothing happened .
The worst one by far was the pepper spray.
T h e t y p e u s e d w a s g o v e r n m ent issue (too strong to buy as a civilian, it is worse than bear spray) crowd control canisters.
Training goes as as follows;
Y o u p l a c e y o u r s i d e - h a n d l e b a t o n o n t h e g r o u n d. Half a canister of high octane capsicum oleo spray is hosed onto your
forehead/eye/mouth area. You wait for about 20 seconds to make sure it's burning good and hot, and your adrenaline is
p u m ping hard. On the com m and of the instructor you pick up yo ur baton and start attacking a tackling dum m y. I am not
t a l k i n g o f a r a n d o m k a m i k a z i a t t a c k ! Y o u w a l k t o t h e d u m m y a n d t a k e c o m m ands from the instructor as to what type of swing
you will use, and where you are to hit the dum my. You stand there hitting the dum my until you have it right, and only then are
you allowed to dunk your face into a bucket of cold water. (Cold water is a very tem porary relief, th e burning is still there for
about 12 hours, and the spray stays under your fingernails for weeks. W oe be to the nailbiter!)
People are very able to keep going after being hit by te ar gas or what have you. The stuff they used at sch ool was 4+ times
high er concentration pepper spray than anythin g you are (legally) able to buy in a store. And as fo r CS gas? That shit's a
complete jok e! There has to be a thick fog of it in the room before it is anywhere near debilitating.
I'd much rather put a shotgun round to their ch est than run the risk of being run through, throatcut, or shot. Not for sadistic
plea sure, but because that's one of the few ways that a man will drop right then and there with no m uss or fuss. Self
preservation is high on m y list of impe ratives.

That idiot is quoting the sam e psych horseshit that m y aunt doe s . S h e ' s a
child psychologist and hates g uns. She, like others of her ilk, are fond of
m isquoting Freud on the subject of guns - that somehow guns are only
wanted by irrational p e o p l e . W hat Freu d talked about was the irrational fear
g u n s . T h a t s h o u l d s o u n d f a m iliar given the hysteria about hom e chem istry.
If m y aunt had her way, I'd be in psych ward, wearing a straightjacket and
p u m ped full of sedatives/tranquilizers.
NBK's quote about rapists brought back a m e m ory and a laugh that I got
while watching the m ovie 'Dirty Harry': :D :D :D
C a l l a h a n : W ell, when an adult m ale is chasing a female with intent to com mit rap e , I s h o o t
the bastard. That's m y policy.
Mayor: Inten t? How did you establish that?
C a l l a h a n : W h e n a n a k e d m an is chasing a wom an through an alley with a butcher's knife and

a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross!
The Mayor: He's got a point.

Hirudinea D e c e m ber 25th, 2006, 04:47 PM

Tasers and 'gas' aren't com pletly effective in stoping a m an, and since its your house, your entitled to determ ine what form of
defence you want to use. As for Captia l Punishm ent, hardly, whe n a m a n p u t s h i s h e a d i n a l i o n s m o u t h a n d the lion bites it
off, thats suicide, not m urder.
Ropik D e c e m ber 25th, 2006, 05:47 PM

CS sprays are funny toys. Good for enraging, bad for stopping.
Freu d said that "People with irrational fear of weapons are usually em o t i o n a l l y a n d s e x u a l l y i m m ature", am ong other things :).
Otherwise, I think that being actually confronted with som e b o d y a r m ed with a butcher's kn ife would change author's view
considerably - if he would live long enough to enjoy it, that is.

The bleaters who got guns banned would, after being confronted by a knife-weilding criminal, not have a sudden realization
that guns are good for self-defense, but rather, that knives need to be banned too!
Hence, the nonsense in the UK. :p

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megalomania December 25th, 2006, 05:39 AM

I feel like a newb asking this :) I am trying to wire a light socket, a standard lightbulb socket. I want to wire more than one together, but I am having trouble finding any info
on how to do it.
Specifically I want to wire 6 light sockets to a single switch. I can hook one up, but I don t the proper way to string several together. The libraries closed, I have found
no websites; any hints?
sparkchaser December 25th, 2006, 07:57 AM

Wire them in parallel. If you try to run them in series, you will overheat your circuit, and if you blow a bulb, all the lights after that bulb will shut off. I would recomend 3 buss
bars (one foreach polarity) for all the leads routed through a heavy duty switch that is capable of handling the wattage. That would be the easiest/cheapest. If you have the
dough, there are switch/relay setups that can do the same thing.

The Google is our friend:
http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/el_cords_outlets_wiring/0,2036,DIY_13803,00.html
UTFSE. :p
akinrog December 26th, 2006, 10:43 AM

Wire them in parallel. If you try to run them in series, you will overheat your circuit, and if you blow a bulb, all the lights after that bulb will shut off.
All bulbs not only after but also before the burnt bulb shall go off since the circuit is now open in series circuit. Regards.
10fingers December 26th, 2006, 08:18 PM

You just wire them in parallel. The other thing you have to consider is wattage. If you use 14 gauge wire that can handle 15 amps. So for instance, 15 amps x 120 volts= 1800
watts. So you could use up to 6 300 watt bulbs on this one circuit. But, if you are going to use an existing circuit then you have to consider the current draw of the other things
on it.
The current draw cannot be larger than the wire and circuit breaker is rated for. A 14 ga. wire takes a 15 amp breaker, a 12 ga. wire takes a 20 amp breaker and a 10 ga. wire
takes a 30 amp.

I found what I was looking for, that you Instructables.com
http://www.instructables.com/id/EECBH5S42FEP2870OC/
I was just reading about this light before Xmas on engadget I think. The guy who designed this light was a former PhD chemist turned lighting designer. The place that sells this
light wants $200 for it! The instructables version has only 4 lights instead of 6, but the homemade version looks just as good as the retail "designer" version, all for $25.
What I wanted out of it is the pic of the wiring. That's all I needed to see to figure out what I want. I hit all the DIY type websites, but they didn't help much. A picture is worth
10,000 words to me.
I snagged some 14 gauge wire from work, and now I need to figure out if I should keep the bulbs on their sides, or have them point straight down. I am using compact
fluorescent bulbs at 27 watts each (100W equivalents), with six wired up together. My original plan was for 16 incandescent bulbs, but now I know that would probably trip a
substation and burn down my house since 10-14 running electrical items is the max for each circuit breaker.
I am thinking about going to the extraordinary trouble of using a drill press to cut 3 holes in two lengths of board, placing the sockets in each hole, and wiring the backs in a
middle gap. There will then be 3 lights facing in opposite directions, and I will cover the works with a semi opaque lexan plastic to evenly diffuse the light.
Cancer January 18th, 2007, 12:30 AM

You might be able to go the 16 incandescent route, depending on the wattage. If they still add up to too much and you really have your heart set on it, you can run a new
circuit. If your breaker box is currently full, you could look into buying a piggy-back breaker. They're livesavers.
megalomania January 20th, 2007, 04:41 PM

I begin to understand why photographic lights use a big brick of a power box to run the lights, and why they cost so damn much.
My primary overriding all encompassing ultimate goal (to put it bluntly) is to do this on the cheap. Cheap as in I want to put this on instructables.com and include it in my write
up for an audience that wants to spend as little money as possible.
Yes, my DIY DIY is getting more expensive all the time. Did I mention I had to buy a 1 1/4 inch wood bit to drill the socket holes? I think I just did. It's a good thing I have
access to a drill press... Now then, the part where I sand and stain my box is completely optional :)
Having sixteen lightbulbs turned on all at once would be impractical for a number of reasons, photographically speaking. First of all, that is way too much light. Second of all,
that is way too much heat. (Put your hand into the box young megalomania... heat upon heat upon heat). I don't fancy a tan that bad.

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festergrump D e c e m ber 26th, 2006, 12:39 PM

Is it the beginning technology for the Terminator or a robotic equivalent of R e - P e t ? Y O U d ecide... It's freak y but very neat. It
c a n g o s o m any ways so far as what it's ultim ately used for, I'm sure.
Once the military tosses m illions m ore dollars at it and it's perfe cted, who could say we wo n ' t b e s e n d i n g t h o u s a n d s o f t h e s e
overseas to help strip the diaperheads of their oil? Add weapon system , AI, and cams and you've got a whole new warrior. Our
guys will only be arou nd for te ch support. :)
http://video.google.com /videoplay?docid=-3801629182 5 4 7 2 8 3 1 3 6 & q = m ilitary&hl=en
Grapes Of Wraith D e c e m ber 26th, 2006, 08:53 PM

There is an article about this in Popula r Science m agazine, can't rem e m ber which issue though.
Alexires D e c e m ber 26th, 2006, 10:28 PM

I can see a little copper meshing, combined with a basic AI planner (sim ilar to those used in gam e s l i k e O p e r a t i o n : F l a s h p o i n t )
a n d a M i n i g u n going a long way.
Even if they increased the spe ed to 3 or 4 times that of a hum an running (not impossible) it would b e a n a w e s o m e anti-
personnel weapon.
If th ey were cheap enough, you could load them with a 100kg explosive/FAE to m a k e a n a b s o l u t e l y u n b e a t a b l e w e a p o n .
Soon, we will see the era where infantry are arm ed with anti-m aterial wea pons sim ply because of these little beasts.
*grin* On another no te, m a k e i t 5 0 t i m e s b i g g e r a n d w e h a v e W ar of the Worlds.
Frunk D e c e m ber 27th, 2006, 04:00 PM

Everyone knows walker robots are inferior. Aside from being robotic challenges an d h e l p i n g d e v e l o p h u m a n - w o r n e x o s k e l e t o n s ,
I don't know why they didn't just use tracks instead of legs. That thing is too easy to trip.

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W hile surfing Ebay I found several hot plate stirrers at a fair price in case any one is looking for one
ebay user name : papam ed4
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fractional distiller D e c e m ber 27th, 2006, 03:44 PM

I h a v e d o n e m a n y s e arches on the forum to find anything relating to this. I know it exists because I rem e m b e r r e a d i n g a b o u t
it here once. But for some rea son I can not find anythin g on it.
S o I h a v e p o sted my question here so I will be not be (HED) by nbk for my ignorance in this situation.
But isnt it plausible to replace potassium nitrate with potassium chlorate and then m ill it with your other req uired weights of
charcoal and sulfur. O r will I just end up killing m yself in the process from milling potassiu m chlora te and sulfur together?
+++++++++++
Try it and report back to us with the results. :) NBK
Exothermic January 3rd, 2007, 02:28 PM

KCL03 can never be used instead of KN03. It is extrem ely sensitive and if you were to ball m ill them together it is likely to
explode.
A l t h o u g h i t h a s b e e n p r o v e n b y a d d i n g a b o u t 0 .5g to about 50g of Blackpowder can in fact increase the burn rate, b ut i would
suggest you try this.
Sorry... KC LO 3 c a n n o t b e u s e d i n s t e a d of KNO 3. Ball m illing this mix wou ld most likely cause it to blow up.
Although it has been proven that adding a tiny amount of KCLO4 to blackpowder increases the burn rate but i would not
suggest you try this.
tomu January 3rd, 2007, 06:05 PM

Milling potassium chlorate or perchlorate with any com bustible m aterial is a recipe for desaster. Don't even think about it!
Especially if the m ix contains sulphur. Sulphur m ixed with chlorate/perchlorate will be very very sensitive any com position which
contains chlo rate/perchlorate will be increased in it's sensitivty dramatically.
Y o u c a n m ill potassium chlorate or perchlorate alone or with som e caposil in a perfectly clean m illing char to get it to fine
particles.
Gerbil January 3rd, 2007, 08:17 PM

Or will I just end up k illing myself in th e process from m illing potassium chlorate and sulfur together?
It's a distinct possibility. In sh ort, don't do it.
I f y o u ' r e d e s p e r a t e , p o t a s s i u m c h l o r a t e a n d s u g a r m i x e s a r e m uch safer (although the perchlorate is preferable).
jetz January 3rd, 2007, 09:53 PM

W hat you m aybe thin king of is H3, which is a KC lO3/Charcoal, m ix of 75/25.
By a ll m ean this should not be milled as its im pact sensitive, just use the diaper m ethod to m ix air float ch arcoal and KClO3 .
tmp January 3rd, 2007, 11:18 PM

That's a recipe for an instant explosion when any kind of friction is applied.
W hen I was very, very young I m i x e d K C l O 3 a n d r e d P t o g e t h e r , k n o w n a s
Armstrong's m ixture. I found out, alm ost the hard way, just how sensitve
this mix is to friction. KClO 3 m ixed with charcoal will work but don't even
think of grinding or ball milling it !
A little off topic but som ething I wanted to m ention. I purchased o n e o f

those old tim e flour grinders. It's perfect for grinding ingredients, other than
m etals, that can't be ground together. It com es out fine as flour as its
nam e indicates. BTW, this hand-cranked model was something like $30 on
eBay.
jimmyboy1 January 4th, 2007, 08:23 AM

Chlorate is m uch stronger than nitrate and m ore friction sensitive but yes you can m a k e b lack powder from it --- the reason its
not used for guns is because its corrosive and will foul barrels plus its prone to se lf ignition with sulfur (don't grind them
together) - b ut if you are sim ply using it to blow something up n o problem s.
Gerbil January 4th, 2007, 05:53 PM

but if you are simply using it to blow som e t h i n g u p n o p r o b l e m s .
T h e p r o b l e m i s t h a t m o s t p e o p l e d o n ' t w a n t t o b e s u i c i d e b o m bers ;) .
Bert January 4th, 2007, 07:44 PM

Shortly after Berthollet discovered Potassium chlorate, chlorate gunpowder m anufacture was attem pted at the French royal
p o w d e r w o r k s a t E s s o n e s . T h e r e s u l t i n g e x p l o s i o n e n d e d t h e e x p e r i m ent, and nearly ended Bertho llet as well. They were
m aking that powder with a STAMP MILL- W ho says the French are not brae?
Cobalt.45 January 5th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Chlorate is m uch stronger than nitrate and m ore friction sensitive but yes you can m a k e b lack powder from it
No, you can't m ake black powder from it.
Y o u c a n m ake a powder from it that burns and is black , but damm it, it's NOT bla ck powder!
I have compiled 44 different compositions for BP, ranging from Marcus Graecus' 66.66/22.22/11.11 (KNO 3/C/S) of the 8th.
century to 75/15/10 of today and not one of them h a s a n y p o t a s s i u m chlorate in it.
jimmyboy1 January 6th, 2007, 03:27 AM

oh boy -- ok for cobalt's sake.. this is not "true " black powder -- but to the rest of the world it will be powde r that is in fact
black and will ignite a n d e x p l o d e . . .
Gerbil January 11th , 2 0 0 7 , 0 9 : 5 9 P M

So if I spray AP crystals with black paint, it's the sam e thing? :p

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thegreatcheese D e c e m ber 27th, 2006, 06:19 PM

Anyone know exactly whats inside of signal flares I found a brok en one and it a yellow powder, its a very slow burning powder.
I think the brand nam e was "Orion"
Cobalt.45 D e c e m ber 28th, 2006, 08:35 AM

If it's a red or white, here's what you would have found had you U TFSE:
SECTION III - HAZARDO US INGR EDIENTS BASIC MATERIALS OSHA LD 50LC 50SIGNIFICANT EFFECTS PEL Strontium Nitrate C AS#
10042-76-9 None Est. 2750 m g/kg None Est. Dust can irritate sk in, eyes & m ucou s m e m b r a n e s . ( o r a l / r a t ) B a r i u m P e r o x i d e
CAS# 1304-29-6 Unknown Unknown Unknown Strong oxidizer of organic m aterials, keep away. Potassium Perchlorate None Est.
Unknown Unknown Irritant to skin, eye s & mucous m e m branes. C AS# 7778-74-7 Moderate oxidize r-keep a way from g o o d
f u e l s . M a g n e s i u m C A S # 7 4 3 9 - 9 5 - 4 1 0 m g / m 3 U nknown Unknown Dust can enter skin through scra tches and cuts to produce
pain ful lesions. Black Powder Dust and powder can be explosive. Polyvinyl Chloride CAS# 9002-86-2 1 ppm Determ i n e d t o b e
carcinogen. Avoid breathing dust.Binder Unknown SECTION IV - FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA Auto Ignition of Contents
D O T CLASS U.N. NUMBER FLAMMABLE EXPLO SIVE LOW ER U PPER Black Powder- 400oF and above1.4G 0191LIMITSN/A N/A
EXTINGUISHING MEDIA W a t e r d e l u g e .

Ah, Yes ! Even com m o n r o a d f l a r e s a r e g o o d s o u r c e s o f O T C c h e m i c a l s o nce
they're put through a separation process. A little RP and a lot of strontium
nitrate come to m ind ! Bon ap petite ! :D

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Jacob Kell D e c e m ber 27th, 2006, 08:05 PM

I would like if som eone here with actual experience in m etalworking could provide m e with s o m e general information on lath es
that can be used to m ake small calibre barrels and m achine gun bolts. I live in apartm ent with a sm a l l b a s e m e n t , a n d I d o n ' t
know if it is possible for me to som ehow install a sm all lathe. So I wander what are the ne ccessary requirem ents for turning
p i e c e s o f m e tal, how noisy it is and would it be enough to have a small sealed sp ace, vacuum clea ner for a ll the m etal dust
and a good gasmask?
Thank you.
shooter3 D e c e m ber 27th, 2006, 10:41 PM

Get a book called "Barrels and Actions". It should still be available on the internet som ewhere.
10fingers D e c e m ber 28th, 2006, 03:27 AM

Jaco b Kell, so, basically what you are saying is that you want to m a k e m a c h i n e g u n s i n y o u r b a s e m ent?
W ell, there a r e n u m e r o u s f i l e s a v a i l a b l e o n l i n e o n h o m e m a d e w e a p o n s . T h e r e a r e s e v e r a l o n m a k i n g r i f l e b a r r e l s . T h e r e i s a
special m ach ine required for this and to m e it doesn't look easy. Maybe you could just buy a barrel or a used gun of the right
caliber and m ake it work. You don't ne e d a l a t h e t o m a k e a b a r r e l b u t y o u m ight need it to m ake the rifling machin e.
As for the the bolt, you m ay b e able to get by with a sm all benchtop m illing m achine.
The metal shavings given off are neither vaporous or harmful, they have no smell. If you use a cu tting fluid, that m a y h a v e a
slight smell but I wou ldn't worry about it.

how noisy it is and would it be enough to have a small sealed space, vacuum cleaner for all the m e t a l d u s t a n d a g o o d
gasm ask?
I g u e s s y o u h a v e t o s t a r t s o m ewhere, although your best friend at this stage is Google.
T h e n o i s e i s n ' t s u c h t h a t y o u s h o u l d h a v e a b i g p r o b l e m , unless the walls are shared by living spaces on th e other side.
T h e s i z e o f y o u r s h o p d e p e n d s o n w h a t's available to you. During W W I I , b a s e m e n t s h o p s p r o v i d e d a l l m anner of m unitions.

But larger is better. Your equipm ent and supplies rapidly grow to use up all available space, regardless of what you start with.
If working with carbon steel and m ost generally available alloys, dust isn't too m uch of an issue. The "turnings" and such are
of a size that will allow them to not become airborne to any great degree .
A nuisance dust m ask and safety glasses will help.
You will find after you 've U TFSE that building yourself a m achine gun is one hell o f an undertaking. IMO , you'd be light years
a h e a d o f t h e gam e by buying an AK and converting it to FA.
But, you m a y b e t h e n e x t b u d ding John Browning or Kalashnikov. So go for it and see where it leads you.

Hello everyone, and thank you for your replies. I thought it would be fine for m e to start with a smoothbore designs like Luty's
SMGs ; ordering the square tu bing, spring and spring strips, and m aking bolts and barrels. Sim p l y g o i n g a r o u n d a n d l o o k i n g
for a 9 m m tube or so would provoke suspicion, and I a m not a licensed gun owner.

It helps to know what country that you're living in if people are to help you with re levant answers, eh? ;)

That's right, I am sorry, I live in Croatia.

Could you not just po p over to Yugoslavia or whatever the bits are called now, and buy a real one?
I u n d e r s t a n d the lure of m aking your own, though. I'd suggest starting with the basics of m a c h i n e t o o l s a n d m a k i n g t h i n g s . G o
with a simple derringer or shotgun design, get used to test firing things, that sort of thing, first. Th e n p e r h a p s g o f o r a s i m p l e
blowback Ste n design , for your first auto. Build in silencers, as these probably will help keep you un-arreste d should you fail to
have the required paperwork, and are unlikely to add m uch to any sentence you get.
XOP KC February 10th, 2007, 12:14 PM

I h a v e e x p e r i e n c e i n m etalworking , I have experience in m a k i n g s u b m a c h i n e g u n a l s o s o I t h i n k I c a n h e l p y o u . I u s e d
Bulg arian C11M lathe and FU 250 m illing m achines. You can buy them s e c o n d h a n d a n d t h e y a r e c h e a p e n o u g h b u t a n y
b a s e m ent is out of the question these m achines are 1 ton each and they require a three phase power supply.
Anyway I take it that you don't have any experience with this kind of m achines (a s k i n g a b out gas m a s k s a n d v a c u u m c l e a n e r
:D ). Having in mind this you really m ade the best choice with P.Luty. For this work I think you can use a bench grinder , angle
grinder , han d drill , files and hacksaw. The angle grinder is really noisy :( m aybe that will be a problem . A good gas torch for
soldering ,brazing and heat treatment. You will need the gas m ask for that if you work in the basem ent :). And since you
started to m a k e a m achine shop buy an welding m achine too ,it's a nice thing to have for any work with m etals :)
If you have any questions about the work ask away. Although I will be most useful to you if you were working on the Bill
Holmes Vol.2 , I suppose I can help you with that work too. Good luck :D
209 February 11th, 2007, 12:12 AM
I h a v e a b i g o l d S o u t h B e n d m etal lathe, The chuck alone weighs nearly 100 pounds! I picked it up second hand at a store
that sells m etal m achines like m ills an d lathes. I also h ave a Sharp industries virtical m ill, both are indespensible for gun
s m i t h i n g . I r e c o m e n d for a strat you buy a cheep im ported lathe, if possible also buy it with a m illing attachm ent - you get
everything you need in one package.
Jacks Complete February 22nd, 2007, 04:25 P M

T h e m i n i l a t h e a n d m ill kits don't have a great reputation. Most people (on the internet and off) suggest that buying two is a
better idea. However, for starting out and "playing" with stuff, I'd go for a m ulti, especially if there is no room for more. A
relatively poor m ill is better th an no mill at all by a long , long way, and with care and hand finishing you can get rea lly good
resu lts. Just don't expect to go into production! (Or, if you do, don't expect interchangable parts between runs)
Floor loading i s s o m e thing you will have to watch if in an apartment, since a sm all and heavy lathe m ight be im possible to g et
to the 5th floor, and even if you did, if it then falls back down to the basem ent, you will be in the shit.
You want a g ood thick concrete slab to bolt the thing too, as vibration and flex will kill your accuracy. R igidity and flatness of
t h e b e d i s m o s t i m p o rtant. If you look around there are m any tips on ho w to improve thin gs.
You will find that your Z (depth) axis will be the worst for milling and drilling, as the play in all the parts maximises it there. Y
is normally n ext, then the X is best. This matters more for repeatability, but it also affects cutting rates, as a bit of chatter will
destroy your work and tools precision.
You will probably want a low powered system. You won't want 3 p hase. You will want som e kind of venting for airflow, as the
coolant does smell. Not much, but it does. You will need a chip tray to catch stuff com ing off if it isn't fitted already, a tool rack,
s o m ewhere to put the stock, other chuck, cutters, etc. too, as well as room t o m o v e a r o u n d t h e m achine.
Go for the biggest throw and length you can com fortably handle. Take a few classes if you can. Books are handy, you can read
up various things, and you will need to refer to the instructions and m a n u a l s m a n y tim e s .
Try to work in either metric or im perial (Am erican) sizes, never b oth.
TreverSlyFox February 23rd, 2007, 01:30 AM

I u s e t o k n o w a g u n s m i t h t h e u s e s a S m i t h y G r a n i t e 1 3 4 0 c o m b o m a c h i n e a n d h e s e e m ed pleased with it. But your looking at
$4,000+ U SD and it weighs about 700-800 lbs.

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I had my internet shut off about a year ago, one reason being that all I could get was dial up, which was so damn slow. Usually around 24kbps. I live in a rural area and there
is no DSL. A local company was offering a deal on a internet satellite system so I gave it a try.
So far it's working very well, I'm getting from 350 to 500 kbps. One thing I have noticed and have a question about is this, when I am downloading a photo, video, or a file it
seems to work very well, but when I am navigating a site it doesn't seem to be any faster than dial up. What I am wondering, is this a problem with the site, too much traffic
perhaps or is it my browser/computer that has a problem?
Another question on a different note. Once I got the internet, of course I had to check out all the free porn on the net. There is just a shitload of it!
What I noticed after a few days on the world porn tour is that my computer really started to slow down and act erratic. I tried deleting cookies and temp internet files to no
avail. I finally did a complete system restore and that seemed to fix the problem. What I am wondering is if anyone else has had these problems?
Also, twice I have gotten a virus off porn sites. When I clicked on a thumbnail, my computer wigged out and started popping up all these ads telling me I had a spyware virus
and that I need to go to some site to get a fix for it, which of course there was a charge for. When I started up internet explorer it automatically directed me to their site.
Fucking Bastards! If I could track these assholes down!
Frunk December 27th, 2006, 08:49 PM

You, sir, have caught alot of ITD's, Internet transmitted diseases. Or spyware, if you prefer.
Download the free Spybot - Search and Destroy (http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html).
Update it all. Read the readme. Put it in advanced mode, activate resident shield, immunize, go in the Tools Menu, ''file sets'', and activate all the boxes. Then go in system
startup, unclick everything that is suspicious and use google if you aren't sure.
Then, go then do a scan. If prompted to, restart your computer. Anything that tries to reinstall itself on startup should be caught by the resident shield.
By now, you should be clean and your internet tracks erased as a bonus.
After that, go install Mozilla Firefox and be done with it.
Hirudinea December 27th, 2006, 09:46 PM

Internet Porn sites are just like whores, full of diseases, so wear a rubber.
tmp December 27th, 2006, 10:37 PM

10fingers, on uploading information, the transfer rate is usually a lot slower
than download. I'm on a cable connection. The DL is 8 mbits while the
UL is a pathetic 768 kbits. I'd glady trade off some of that DL for more UL.
This would make it faster for the FTP as well.
As for your system slowing down, some internet sites install that fucking
adware. If your running one of MicroShit's operating systems, a look at the
task manager or installed programs will reveal the beast. They've never done
any damage but I don't want unwanted software slowing up my system
either. Part of the problem with getting rid of it is that it can be in several
different places.
Installed programs, startup menu, system configuration, and the registry are
a few of the places it can be installed. Two years ago I found one that had
been placed in the \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 subdirectory. Every time I tried to
end the process I got the "Access denied' error. Eventually, I had to restart
the system in DOS to clean this sucker out. Whoever installed it had set
the SYSTEM FILE, HIDDEN, and READ-ONLY attributes. If it's installed in the
system registry, you'll need either a good virus cleaner or very specific set
of instructions to remove it. The registry is one of the most DANGEROUS
areas of your computer to modify.
Oh, BTW, if a bunch of popups tell you that you need their software to clean
the virus and/or ad(spy)ware, they're probably the bastards who put it there !
ShadowMyGeekSpace December 28th, 2006, 12:30 AM

One thing I have noticed and have a question about is this, when I am downloading a photo, video, or a file it seems to work very well, but when I am navigating a site it
doesn't seem to be any faster than dial up.It's not the bandwidth that's the problem, it's the latency. I'm confident that you're running in half-duplex mode, and I know sattelite
has more latency than copper.
To save typing: http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/rants/Latency.html
10fingers December 28th, 2006, 03:48 AM

Ok, thanks you guys. tmp, I got your message about the ftp and I will give it a try.
I know that the SOB's who put the adware in my computer are the same ones who are selling the fix. I never went to their site to find out who they were though. As soon as I
realized that I got stung, I shut down and tried to get rid of it.
Motto, free porn is not free and wear a condom.

Search for your porn not by looking through sites but by using a video search engine or a p2p program like limewire.
With a video search you can find thousands of videos (samples) but still good porno :p.
Limewire isnt as trustworthy IMO but Ive had nearly no problems with it when I downloaded through it, just be prepared to get odd file names (My teen girlfriend 18
getting fucked by my fat cock -- teen, pedo, fuck, sex, ass, rape, pecker, shlong, insest, gay, bondage, hentai, midgit, lolicon, animal, elephant, horse.) :p
festergrump December 28th, 2006, 06:26 AM

That's one of the worst ways I know of to view porn, actually, for it also can throw any number of things you don't want on your HDD and you won't know it until you view it.
A prime example is kiddie porn (Pedo, lolita, underage...all keywords to be wary of). How many passes scrubbing that shit off your harddrive will allow you to sleep peacefully
after you delete it? I'd be dreaming of very quiet, black helicopters with liberal-loving gov. ninjas roping down around my house...
I sent 10 Fingers a few links to truly free porn in a PM, so I might as well post them here, too. They're good so long as you don't venture far away from the hosting site (each
page hosted is checked out before being linked to). Let the hosts decide what's legit and what's not since they have staffers around for that purpose. If it's linked to directly
from any of these sites it'll be over 18 yoa only and BS free:
www.ampland.com
www.shavedgoat.com
www.sublimedirectory.com
Happy surfing...

There's always torrents... thepiratebay has alot of porn, and puretna is all porn(but a private tracker that watches ratio).

Is your satellite hookup a bi-directional satellite link (you upload through the satellite) or a one-way, with your computer sending URL requests through a phone line?
Anytime something pops up on your computer saying "You've been infected, click here", you should know you're about to get infected if you do click on it. :rolleyes:
Get firefox, get the suggested plug-in's, as mentioned in a previous post by me on the subject, and you're covered. :)
As for porn, I'd do the rapidshare download from forums (assuming you have a premium account), and not even bother with torrents which are usually intolerable slow or
unreliable, but I've so much porn I've never watched that I've given away my porn discs. :)

ShadowMyGeekSpace, whether it's a desired byproduct of latency or not, my
ISP still limits ALL accounts, including business accounts, to 768 kbits UL.
It really sucks because the FTP could be a whole lot faster when members
upload. BTW, I loved that analogy of the 747 vs. 737 jets in the article. It
explains things in terms of capacity rather than speed although uploading
files from the FTP should send out much larger packets than just surfing a
website.

tmp: Your bandwidth cap of 768kbits up is actually quite respectable, I've only got half a megabit. But as the article mentions, you can have plenty of bandwidth and still
latency.... "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

NBK, yes the satellite is uplink too. No, I'm not going to click on anything that they tried to get me go to. It seems to me though that it would be very easy for someone to
track the source of the virus when they're selling the fix. You have to pay them and that would be a direct link. Just seems stupid for them to try this. I'll try the firefox.
Thanks.
This thing got me thinking about the whole anti virus software industry, maybe they're the ones creating and disseminating the new virii so that you have to keep upgrading.
Microsoft is probably in on it too.
Sausagemit December 29th, 2006, 01:41 AM

If it's installed in the
system registry, you'll need either a good virus cleaner or very specific set
of instructions to remove it. The registry is one of the most DANGEROUS
areas of your computer to modify.
HighjackThis (http://www.download.com/HijackThis/3000-8022_4-10379544.html)
This program works extremely well in advanced mode and it's free. Rather than going in and deleting regestry values manually witch is a pain in the ass and is dangerous, as
TMP said, this program hunts down registry strings (stuff that a simple search of the registry can miss) and deletes them. It's cleaned out the filthyest of spyware ridden
computers with ease. I'm talking about over 100 running processes when only 26 are necessary. I recomend giving it a spin even if you don't know too much about computers
becuase it is pretty user friendly too.
sparkchaser December 29th, 2006, 06:24 AM

Fire Fox is good, but another good one is Opera. With F-F becoming more widespread, viruses and spyware are starting to be designed that attack it specifically. Opera is a
little less well known.
In the 2 years I've used Opera, I've only had 2 or 3 viruses that made it past my firewall, and both were easy to clean (this is with daily porn surfing through hundreds of
sites).
My wife still uses Explorer because she's more comfortable with it, and has gotten us infected with more, tougher, and sneakier viruses from average sites on the web. (Of
course I could upgrade to something other than Windows 2000 and it might help a bit!)
Nothing sucks worse than a system flood! Most computers can barely function with one of these types of virus, you have to go in using safe mode and manually search
because you can't even open any programs in normal mode. The flood soaks up all your processor/ram capabilities, and if you're really (un)lucky, it can even fry your
computer by overheating it!

I put the Mozilla Firefox in today, so far it's working very nice. It's much faster and glitch free than IE. I like it!
Another question though, does the firefox browser automatically look for virus, adware, spyware? I have norton antivus 2004 which came already installed on my PC but after
a trial period you have to pay to get it upgraded, it's like $30.00. Screw them on that.
There seems to be a lot of free virus software on the net, what I am wondering is this, if it's free is it any good?
I got the firefox for free, but I don't see how these software co.'s are making money giving this stuff away?
Ok, thanks, back to porn.
Sausagemit December 29th, 2006, 10:33 PM

AVG makes a free excelent virus scanner.

LOL, the topic is hilarious enough, the fact that so many responses came so quickly is even more funny.
Most of your problems probably came from scripts on pages and what not, if you downloaded firefox makesure you get some form of script blocker, they make it really difficult
for you to actualy catch anything. Don't underestimate p2p networks porn collections, they beat the bejesus out of surfing for it. use something like shareaza or something that
allows you to filter based on file size, most things under a megabyte are viri/spyware so you dont want them.
Temporary internet files are generaly the home to most of your major threats, I'd suggest deleting that folder regularly regardless of what your doing. If your not concious of
stealing then the p2p networks may again come in handy, download a pirated version of antivirus.
Of course if you really want to get crazy try using a linux live cd, no way to get infected at all.
I find that sattelite net speed impressive, I'm on an ungodly expensive plan for dsl right now and the highest kbps I've seen is 70, and that wasn't very constant. How much
are you paying for it?
Defendu December 29th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Direct link to AntiVir Guard anti-virus software:
http://www.free-av.com/
10fingers December 30th, 2006, 02:09 AM

Thanks, I' try it. The satellite is a bit expensive, you have to buy the dish, that was $200 installed, then the monthly fee is $50. They have different rates for how much you
use it, for what I pay I can download 7500 Mb a month and I think the upload was 2800 Mb.
But I don't need to have a phone line anymore, just use my cell, and then you have the regular dial up internet fee, so you add those two together and it's around $50 a
month.

I think were paying around 70 a month including some stupid call waiting service plus phone lines. Sattelite sounds pretty good, how does it work through storms and what not?
We have sattelite tv (dish network) up here and the signal is usualy pretty good through storms, thunderstorms dont seem to bother it much but every now and then a big
black cloud will get in the way and kill the signal completely.

We haven't had any storms since I got it so I can't say, but I asked the installer about that and he said that it doesn't happen, we'll see. I know with directv I have that
problem. Heavy rain or snow and it goes out.
Another thing, I got the satellite internet through my electric co-op, I have no idea why they're in the business. They were less than the service that directv offers. Last time I
checked with them about a year ago it was $500 for the dish and $60 per month.

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Hang-Man D e c e m ber 28th, 2006, 01:13 AM

I ve o ften won dered why t h e s t a n d a r d Q W E R T Y k e y b o a r d l a y o u t was laid o u t the way it was. It looked to m e l i k e t h e m o s t
inefficient po s sible ways to layout keys. It s no t, but it turns out it s pretty close:
T h e Q W ER TY layout was des igned s o that successive k e y s t r o k e s w o u l d a l t e r n a t e s i d e s o f t h e k e y b o a r d s o a s t o a v o i d j a m s .

S o m e s o u r c e s a l s o claim t h a t t h e Q W E R T Y l a y o u t wa s d e s i g n e d to slow down typ ing spee d to f urther redu ce jam m ing. -
W ikipedia
Now that this is no longer a problem, obviously a layout with efficiency and hand fatigue as its top priority would be ideal. This
was done by Dr. Agust Dvorak who patented the Dvorak layout in 1936 (also known as the simplified keyboard). Ob viously, it
h a s n t really caught on, although it was the layout u s ed by Barbara Blackburn w h e n s h e s e t t h e 2 1 2 W PM world record for
t y p i n g s p e e d . The W iki article is here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard), and is fairly in depth. I was
wondering if anyone here had any experience with it? How hard was it to switch? W as it worth it?
If nothing else, I find the prevalence of an infe rior technology rather inte resting. People waste no tim e upgrading their VHS
players to DVD, yet this has been arou nd for 70 years a nd nobody knows what the hell it is.
ShadowMyGeekSpace D e c e m ber 28th, 2006, 05:21 AM

S o m e source s also claim that the QW ERTY layout was designed to slow d own typing speed to further reduce jamm in g.W hich it
doesn't do. I can type in both QW E R T Y a n d D V O RAK, and there is no im provem ent. I'm at ~120wpm with b oth of th e m . I n t h e
end, it's all about mu scle m emory.
I h a v e b e e n s p e n d i n g ~ 1 4 - 1 8 hours a day infront of m y com puters for the past 1 0 years, and don't experiance any fatigue at
all with m y hands, only m y eyes get tired - and that's when im u sing a CRT. I'm fine with an LCD though... who know's what'll
happen when I grow older, but for now I don't see the p oint.

f y o u n e v e r l e a r n e d t h e Q W ER T Y k e y b o a r d l a y o u t a n d h a d s t a r t e d o u t f r o m the beginning using th e Dvorak layout, I thing a
real benefit could be seen.
The "ASDFG :LKJH" hand placem ent, and the m uscle m e m ory, as mentio ned by ShadowMyGeekSpace inhib its ones ability to
easily switch from one to the other.

W ell, since the world uses the QW ERTY board, and you'd be sorely fucked if you were away from your Dvorak keyboard, why
bother?

M a y b e o n c e t h e m etric system catches on in America. It's supposed to be the standard by 1985... oh wait... Consumers would
also save $billions a year if electrical p ower was DC i n s t e a d o f A C b e c a u s e o f t h e A C p e a k s a n d s p i k e s t h a t f r y e q u i p m ent, b ut
the switch wo uld now cost $trillions. AC was easier to m ake 100 years ago, so they went with it. I am sure there are lots of
other archaic system s from the past th at linger today.
sparkchaser January 3rd, 2007, 05:50 AM

DC power was rejected because of high loss during high voltage transm ission due to overheating of the lines, and the inability
to step up/down the voltage very easily without first converting to AC. AC doesn't overheat the lines as badly as DC, especially
at high voltage, low a mperage. That's why line voltage is in the hundreds of volts and stepped down to low volts hig h am p s
n e a r y o u r h o u s e . T h a t's one archaic system that was actually adopted be cause of logic.
Now if only we could get the m etric system adopted in Am erica. I was born using ASM and just recently started using m etric
while stationed in Europe, god is it easier once you get used to it!
Hirudinea January 5th, 2007, 06:44 PM

Hey if I get a vote I want to start using 240 volts in North Am erica, but the rest of the W orld has to m ove to 60 Cycles, and
everyone has to move to Australian wall plugs and DVB TV Standard. :D
Cobalt.45 January 6th, 2007, 01:17 AM

but the rest of the W orld has to m ove to 60 Cycles
My vote is to bum p the cycles way up!:eek:
Just keep the forks out of the wall sockets.:p
Hirudinea January 6th, 2007, 05:49 PM

My vote is to bum p the cycles way up!
Just keep the forks out of the wall sockets.
I put a paperclip in the socket when I was in grade 2 on ce and I'm just fine, well if you don't count the glowing pubes. :D
10fingers January 6th, 2007, 08:58 PM

The reason for the qwerty keyboard was to slow the typist down so the keys didn't jam on the old style m echanical typewriters.
To change over now I think would be a n i m p o s s i b l e t a s k .
The AC powe r transmission system is really the best, DC does not work in a transformer so you can't chang e the voltage or
current to whatever is needed at the point of use.
Cobalt.45 January 7th, 2007, 01:12 PM

T h e r e a r e a p plications for both AC and DC that favors one over the other, like the transm i s s i o n - a b ility of AC or the portability
of DC .
W e're still working with standa rds that were set years ago. Advancements that have been m ade since then would be so costly
to implement that it m akes them pratically im possible to utilize.
A s y s t e m d e s i g n e d t o d a y f r o m scratch wouldn't resem ble the current (no pun intended) set-up, that's for sure.
"The Grid" is one of the most vulnerab l e s y s t e m s a n d a t the same tim e , o n e o f t h e m o s t r e l i e d u p o n s y s t e ms in North
Am erica.
Back on the thread topic. Just as every technology evolves, so too will the keyboard.
There's no way that in ten years, everyone will still be hunting and pecking on som e antiquated, bulky piece of 18th. century
technology.

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Hi :)
I'm g o i n g t o m a k e a N H 4 N O 3 b o m b b u t I ' m no t sure if it would work and I don't want to spend mo n e y o n u s e l e s s s t u f f s .
T h e r e ' s a b o u t 8 0 g o f K C l O 4 + Al + S powder confined in a plastic tube, this tube is in the m iddle of a m etal container filled of
pure NH4NO 3 :
http://img18 2 . i m a g e s h a c k . u s / i m g 1 8 2 / 5 6 9 1 / n h 4 n o 3 b q 2 . j p g
The powder will explode for sure, but, will the NH4NO3 e x p l o d e t o o ?
Thank you :)
SafetyLast D e c e m ber 28th, 2006, 07:04 PM

Oh god.
Not another one.:eek :
Y o u s h o u l d w a v e a l i t t l e f l a g t h a t s a y s " p l e a s e b a n m e n b k " o r s o m e t h i n g s i m ilar. (Oh wait, I forgot. This is the water cooler,
K e W l it up hom bre!)
A little research could have allowed you to avoid asking questions like
"will this work?" or "how much lem on juice for AP?" By now you should know not to use that "b" word as "bom bs" are large
m etal things dropped by airplanes.
So let m e g e t this straight, you want to:
1. m a k e s o m e sort of flash powder
2. put it into a tube
3. put wires into it
4. put it into a can of "pure NH4NO3" (whatever that me ans, I'm assuming it's prilled AN)
5. set off the K3\/\/L B0/\/\Z
:D And the picture m akes it all the more hillarious.

In short no, it will not work. You will get a boom from your flash and a lot of scattered AN, but there's not a chance that you will
set off straight AN with flash powder.
Even If it was m ixed with a powerful reducing fuel I'd still doubt it. ANNM "m ight" be able to be detonated this way.. But the
only sure way to fully detonate a blasting agent such as AN is when it has 6% fuel added to it and you use a cap and a booster
( a n d n o , y o u cannot buy blasting caps at a grocery store)

I searched but I didn't find an ything :p
Sorry for the word "bomb", I'll use "explosive" instead, now ^^
Pure NH4NO 3 is 99% NH4NO3 powder, not the fertilizer :p
Thanks for answering m y question :)
SafetyLast D e c e m ber 28th, 2006, 07:57 PM

Do a search on "Cap sensitive m ixes" or "APAN" or "KIFE".
You'll find a ton of inform ation on AN binaries.
Powdered AN m ust be thoroug hly dried then m ixed with a sensitizer. It typically detonates in colum ns 2" wide when loaded at a
density of about 0.95 g/cc, not m uch higher or it becom e s d e a d p r e s s e d a n d n o t e v e n t h e h a n d o f g o d c a n d e t o n a t e i t . A g o o d
r e a d f o r b e g i n n e r s i s B e n s o n ' s " H o m e m ade C4, a recipe for survival" which is not C4 at all, but ANNM or "kinepak". I don't
really care fo r it that m uch, I spent $60 on it expecting that it dealt with sem tex or other plastique only to find it was an AN
bina ry. Good info on drying the AN though, I never thou ght of using denatured alcohol before I read it.:rolleyes:

Ok, I searched with these keywords an d I found some interresting topics, I think I'll use n itrocellulose instead of fla sh powder
(it should work) and I'll sensitize AN with paraffin oil or fuel oil.
Thank you for helping :)
I'd like to he lp others too but my skills are too limited :( but I'll try ^^

Yeah, because nitrocellulose detonates when you light it...
I could tell you exactly what to do to set off your AN and all you need to do is take one trip to the local and follow som e very
sim ple directions... But I'm not going to. You can find out everything you need to know by reading existing posts not starting a
lam e n e w o n e .
I also strongly advise y o u t o f i n d a n e w h o b b y a s o p p o s e d t o t h i s o n e , p e o p l e l i k e y o u t e n d t o l o s e f i n g e r s q u i c k l y b e c a u s e

they fail to understan d the principles o f what th ey are working with, you probably don't even understand the concept of
d e t o n a t i o n . I a m not trying to be mean(at least I don't have to try very hard) but I want you to realize that we are not here to
teach some kid how to blow his hands off, this site is about science, and a HU GE part of science is RESEAR CH. Now, if you wish
to continue in this hobby, go get to som e research and the answers to all of your questions will become clear :).

I did a lot of searches, I found some ways to detonate ANFO, but I just realized that there is no safe way to detonate it, I hate
AP, too sensitive, to m any people get killed by AP...
W hile searching I also read th at flash powder is very unstable above 10g , is that right ? because I detonated about 100g of
flash powder in a plastic tube withtout taking care of it, it didn't seem unstable...
I'm trying to learn m o r e a n d m o r e b y r e a d i n g t h e f o r u m but all I can read is questions about adva nced stuffs that doesn't help
m e, I'd like to start learning the beginning but I can't access the FTP or else...
:(
Until you've dem onstrated the ability to find an swers on your own, a willingness to contribute usefu l inform ation, and a sincere
desire to learn (and not just g et spoonfed), you never will get FTP access.
The answers to ALL the questions you've asked have already been discussed here many times before, and it's all still here.
You just need to find it O N YO UR O WN.
Read the relevant sections, starting from the oldest threads, and work your way through to the present. By then, you won't
n e e d t o a s k u s f o r t h e a n s w e r s , b e c a u s e y o u ' l l h a v e f o u n d t h e m on your own. :)

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CecilBDemented D e c e m ber 29th, 2006, 02:18 PM

Ive searched Alcohol Tabacco and Firearms and nothing came up at all, which suprised m e. But what I was wondering is what I
h a v e t o d o t o m a k e e x p l o s i v e s legally on top of state regs? W h e r e d o i f i n d t h i s i n f o ? T h a n k s
Big Mac D e c e m ber 29th, 2006, 03:16 PM

You can't. That's the trick they use. Ba ck when they had m a c h i n e g u n s t a m p s , y o u h a d t o h a v e t h e m a c h i n e g u n f i r s t t o g e t
the stamp but that would m ean you illegally po s s e s s e d a m achine gun to begin with. You could possibly ge t dynamite if you
h a v e a m ineral that you are trying to harvest and prove that you are not some loony out to blow shit up. But that will cause a
lot of scrutiny given the clim a t e p o s t - 9 / 1 1 .

If your search skills a re as cra ppy as your gram mar skills O BVIO USLY are, it's no wonder you can't find anything.

Perhaps he can't find tabacco becoz he's under 16^H^H18?
Matt_Ladder January 2nd, 2007, 04:30 PM

They are trying to lim it chemicals though (like oxidizers and such), or should I sa y t h e C o n s u m er Product Safety Co m m ission
is re gulating things, united nu clear i believe got hit, which is disappointing.

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Hemisync D e c e m ber 29th, 2006, 09:07 PM

Here is a post on a fireworks forum with nice clear photos, of som e one who
although he is full tra ined, ignored his own com m o n s e n s e .
Heavy fire co at, face m ask, th e whole shebang of saftey gear but choose not to wear his fire gloves.
H i s s a f e t y e q u i p m ent helped, but he was not wearing proper gloves, so an accident with flash did a num b e r o n h i s h a n d s .
Nasty Burns.
For those that are so inclined you may be interested in also joining this pyrotechnics site.
http://www.apcforum .net/forums/index .php?showtopic=836

Ouch...but it could ha ve been a LOT worse. To be honest, I'd consider gloves to be far m ore im portant than a m a s s i v e h e l m et-
s a f e ty glasses would probably have do ne the job, right?

Considering how burn t the visor was, I'd say safety-glasses wouldn't have done shit to pre vent his face from being burnt to a
sim iliar crispiness as his hands, and the intense heat-flux likely would have burned his eyes as well. :(
W ould you rather have burnt hands, or a face like Freddy Kruger?

I'm so scared right now guys. I'm never touching anything explo sive again.
tmp D e c e m ber 30th, 2006, 09:29 PM

Match, by his own adm ission, the problem was lack of safety.
Personally, I think he 's dam n lucky that's all th a t h a p p e n e d .
I t c o u l d h a v e b e e n m uch worse.
knowledgehungry D e c e m ber 31st, 2006 , 01:30 AM

This guy got off pretty easy Match. He still has use of all body parts and has no trouble with the law.
He was stupid for placing another device where one had been se tt off so recently.
Cobalt.45 D e c e m ber 31st, 2006 , 04:06 AM

Hey Match, that guy got off relatively easy. Take a look at this (from stupid939's site- I don't know where he got them ): http:/
/ m e m bers.shaw.ca/gryphon223/consequences.htm l
mike16 D e c e m ber 31st, 2006 , 10:40 AM

I think its go od to see pictures like that every now and then, because it reminds you in a very graphic way, what can happed to
you if you becom e careless in this hobby.
Those pictures in the link Cobalt.45 provided slightly pu t me off working with explosives a bit, but from now on when I do use
explosives I will be very, very careful.
10fingers January 1st, 2007, 12:24 PM

Ouch, that lo o k s p a i n ful. I feel sorry for the guy.
I had to laugh a little though about his com m e n t " g o o d t h i n g I h a d a p e r m i t , c o m es in ha ndy at the hospital." And the Bomb
Squad T-shirt, that was good.
stupid939 January 3rd, 2007, 05:13 PM

I just saw this post and was going to post the link that Cobalt45 provided. The last one is the worst. Just re ad what he did, I
stop p e d m a k i n g p i p e b o m bs a long time ago, and you will see why.
BTW Cobalt, I saw the link on some fireworks site.
Lewis January 5th, 2007, 04:47 PM

He complains about the difficulty of typing with only 2 thumbs at the end of his post...
How many th umbs did he have to begin with? :p
Gerbil January 5th, 2007, 05:36 PM

I just saw this post and was going to post the link that Cobalt45 provided. The last one is the worst.
Yeah, but wh at would rather lose all yo ur limbs and functioning for the rest of you r life, or be blown into lots of tiny pieces? :p
wetpowder January 5th, 2007, 10:00 PM

He was high on stupid, I guess. O f course there is no la w against stupid.
Cancer January 18th , 2007, 12:14 AM

I was working in an electrical meter base in May of '06, rem oving hot wires from a distribution block. I hadn't killed any power
because it was at a casino and they threw a fucking fit everytim e power was disturbed. I was halfway done when m y h e l p e r s a i d
s o m ething to m e. I turned to look at him a n d m y screwdriver that was touching a hot phase bumped the ground. The arc fla sh
went across all the phases and the gro u n d . I h a d 1 s t , 2 n d , a n d 3 r d d e g r e e b u r n s o n m y h a n d s a n d a r m s. These are just a
couple of the pictures.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com /index.cfm?fuseaction=viewIm age&friendID=19899389&im a g e I D = 7 9 3 1 9 6 2 3 8
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com /index.cfm?fuseaction=viewIm age&friendID=19899389&im a g e I D = 7 9 3 1 9 5 8 6 7
tiac03 January 19th , 2007, 01:10 AM

Ha I saw the post referenced by the victim on lockpickin g 101. (he is a m ember on that site too...) Guess he wont be picking
locks for a while...
Either way I'd rather be blown up than burned looks worse but looks less painful at the sam e tim e .

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I find ironic that the US government, currently engaged in a bloody guerilla war with iraq insurgents, has had their Iraqi proxies
hang the only man who's ever managed to keep the country together and at (relative) peace.
:rolleyes:
We should have given the whole mess back to the man and left the whole mess to him for clean-up. :)

I have no idea, all I care about is when the hanging video hits you-tube.
jimmyboy1 December 30th, 2006, 11:10 PM

There is already a pic of his dead body (looks like a video capture) here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Saddam_Hussein
Iraqis must love to see death all the time - they always post this in record time to the AL-Ansar website. Here are some more
details from the execution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Saddam_Hussein
mochte December 30th, 2006, 11:20 PM

Decent grainy quality from a cell phone camera:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521
God it gives me the warm and fuzzies.
Gatsby December 31st, 2006, 12:44 AM

We hung him for killing people with some of the very weapons we gave him to fight a proxy war with Iran.
DONMAN December 31st, 2006, 01:07 AM

Although I think america is going to have a hard time installing a working government, This man was terrible, and I think he
had it coming to him. Just hearing about about the thousands he killed, he needed killing. Some times I think iraq only
understands the butt of a gun. Its going to be a long and very involved process and I don't think a just government will ever
be ascertainable there.
Cobalt.45 December 31st, 2006, 03:31 AM

Seeing as we've reaped absolutely no benefit from "freeing" these ingrates, not even so much as a fuck you, I believe it
should go into the files with other recent and not so recent fuck-ups, like: {insert your favorite HERE}.
You're right- they don't understand anything except martial law, enforced by an iron handed ruler with no qualms about doing
what's necessary to keep the shit hole livable.
Maybe we would've had a better result had we leveled Iran instead.:p
Or better yet, stayed the fuck home and wallow in the (once plentiful) surplus left from the dealings of the Clinton years.
Oh, yea, the thread. Saddam's dead.:eek:
Dead my ass.:rolleyes: We'll be fighting him for the next ten years, at least.
10fingers December 31st, 2006, 10:38 AM

I never believed the whole WMD and roots of terrorism reasons for going into Iraq. I did have hope that the removal of
Saddam would give Iraqi's the opportunity to a better future, well I have lost that hope. Now I think that he had to be as
ruthless as he was to hold that country somewhat together.
nbk2000 December 31st, 2006, 01:39 PM

The only thing muds understand is force, and a LOT of it.
That's why these 3rd world countries are all ran by dictators, because only dictators can use a sufficient level of force to keep
things under control.
Chopper December 31st, 2006, 06:10 PM

[rant=on]
Yup - force, force, and a little more force for good measure. The nice guy isn't usually the one with all the power and ability to
get things done in prison.
I forget the exact words now, but I read something a while ago I found interesting - the basic gist of it was that the Iraqis
confuse freedom with anarchy. Having been so long (for what reason is another matter) without any real semblance of fredom,
many seem unable or unwilling to realise that freedom means the right to do as one chooses, SO LONG as it does not
interfere with the fredom of others.
On a secondary note, for fuck's sake! The only people allowed into the execution room were purported to be officials and a
cleric. Yet _still_ there was (a) The taunting of the prisoner by some of those present, (b) A mobile-phone video recorded of
the event and (c) the poor bastard wasn't even allowed to finish his final words - he only had 5 to go to finish his sentence.
That said, I do think he was far from somebody I'd delight in knowing. You just gotta admit that the whole affair - right from
the apparent failure of the mission to get Osama in Afganistan stinks like shit.
Treating a tyrant with more (a little more) humanity than he extended to others does not make you a nice guy. Indeed world
opinion echoes my own sentiments on the matter, in that he deserved punishment - arguably the death penalty was
appropriate (though I'll only condone death as a action taken in the heat of the moment). It was however, the way the whole
affair was conducted that's fucked up.
Fancy that, stating that it was the death penalty, and not justice(which may very well have included the death penalty) that was
being sought right from the onset of the trial. I always thought judges and juries were there to judge and determine
appropriate punishment, not to rubber-stamp a decision made above their heads.:rolleyes:
Should've just given the marines a reason to drop that grenade into his hiding hole in the first place.
[rant=off]
Frunk December 31st, 2006, 07:30 PM

Being in Canada I am amazed that ''justice'' actually did something.
If Saddam had been caught here he would have 10 years of prison time and he could get out after three if he didn't act like a
jackass in jail. The actual trial would have taken months.
Whatever, I'm not for the War in Iraq, but that guy got what was coming to him. I just like how Iraqis don't play around with
''respectful'' executions and just hang the bastard while taunting him. He was a smartass at the tribunal, not so much now.
Of course, this isn't going to help the situation in Iraq in any way, shape or form. Just let them fight amongst themselves.
Iran has nukes but no way to deliver them to North America... I'll just wait and see, thank you.
Jacob Kell December 31st, 2006, 09:14 PM

Extreme authoritarianism, hatred for life and pleasure, feelings of inferiority and humiliation, and group narcissism are the
main psychic traits that define the Middle East people, and as such they are the results of sadistic and traumatic child-rearing
practices, specific for that region. There have been numerous studies on that subject. So I wouldn't say they desire anarchy,
they just want more charismatic leaders and more interpersonal authority.
c.Tech January 1st, 2007, 07:13 AM

S a d a m s d eath was need ed we all know that, the fucker deserved it as lots of you have already mentioned, though th e
victory attitude it gives to the western nations that they have done some good makes me sick to my stomach. Getting Sadam
only caused more problems than the country already had.
But the deaths in the Iraq war will be nothing matched to the future Nazi Germany style world dictatorship we are heading into
now.
On the topic of nukes.

Iran has nukes
:confused: Last time I heard it was going to take Iran approx. 20 years to have a working nuke.
simply RED January 1st, 2007, 11:47 AM

Who killed more Iraquis : Saddam or Bush?

Probably Bush, but would you rather live in a country run by Bush or Saddam? At least we know that Bush will gone soon.
The Iraqi's were handed a chance for a better life on a silver platter and in typical Raghead fashion they took a big healthy
crap on it. The main reason they are still fighting and dying is because of their culture, religion and stupidity. They are killing
each other.
simply RED January 1st, 2007, 01:10 PM

"would you rather live in a country run by Bush or Saddam?"
Difficult choice, like by Stalin of by Hitler? But indeed Saddam deserved it!
Bush would be gone, but could his style of rulling be gone too?
Frunk January 1st, 2007, 01:11 PM

On the topic of nukes.
:confused: Last time I heard it was going to take Iran approx. 20 years to have a working nuke.
It's just speculation, but with:

-Friends like Russia and North Korea having nukes,
-The Internet,
- A few scientists and some Uranium,
I don't get how a nation like Iran would take 20 years to get the bomb. It didn't take the USA that much time and at that time
the method to make a nuke wasn't known or posted on the internet.
knowledgehungry January 1st, 2007, 02:01 PM

Simply RED you obviously do not live in the United States,the comparison of Bush to Saddam is laughable, so laughable that I
don't even know where to start arguing with it.
As to who has killed more Iraqi's I am sure that Saddam killed more Iraqi civilians than the United States military has, but if
you total the number that have died since the invasion including those who have been killed by insurgents the numbers may
be closer.

Simply Red, you avoided the question by asking another question.
I hate Bush and I think most Americans feel the same. His approval ratings are amongst the lowest of any US president. How
he ever got elected is something I will never understand.There is a serious flaw in the Presidential election process in this
country.
simply RED January 1st, 2007, 07:09 PM

Yes, they are different!
Saddam was applying his will, no matter how bad it may be.
Bush is applying the will of the big capitalists, no matter how bad it may be.
In both cases the oppressive forces of the countries are used to complete these tasks.
Non of them did bad things because of pure evil. Saddam (he was not that stupid) tried to sustain his regime. Bush tried (and
did) to caputure Saddam's oil (he had direct orders to do so).
Saddam deserves more respect by trying to think on his own :D
But it is all the same in fact: somebody's will applied blindly without thinking of the consequences.
oh...
Happy New Year and fuck them both!
DONMAN January 1st, 2007, 08:32 PM

I think it's funny how their appeals court works. In America the outcome of an appeals court is always better or the same for a
convict, but in their appeals court it could go both ways. So Saddam goes to appeals court and then instead of life in prison
they say, "No, thats not good enough." so they sentenced him to death. I just find that so ironically amusing.

Basic maths:
3000 US servicemen dead, at least 10 times that in Iraqi's of all descriptions by Bush's (very conservative and now out of
date) numbers. (For comparison, in Gulf War 1, the USA claimed 20,000 dead Iraqis. It lasted about 2 weeks!)
The US helped get him into power over 30 years ago. He gained most of his power in 1972 to 1976, becoming ruler in July
1979.
Figures are scare, but estimates of 300,000 deaths over the 23 to 27 years are claimed, but given that he was tried for killing
182,000 Kurds it probably isn't too far away. So, run the maths.
Saddam was in power for 276 months. This gives around 1000 dead per month, excluding the Iran-Iraq war)
Bush has 'controlled' Iraqi for about 45 months and with 30,000 dead Iraqis minimum, that's about 666 dead a month.
If we include the less partisan figures for Iraqi non-military deaths (which aren't even counted) and are believed to be around
2667 for *just* September 2006, and call that an average, we can see that the death toll under Bush was far, far higher than
under Saddam.
See http://www.lowerdown.com/2006/10/11/httpwwwthelancetcomwebfilesimagesjournalslancets01 40673606694919pdf/
However, unless the US is deposed (perhaps if God tells GW to do it during their morning chat?) as leader of the nearly-free
world, he will never be arraigned. Sadly.
c.Tech January 2nd, 2007, 02:27 AM

At least we know that Bush will gone soon.
W o u l d n t be too sure about that, all Ame rica needs now is a national em ergency (e g. terror attack) to give FEMA control,
station troops on the streets, take control of all schools, gas stations, grocery stores ect. (there are orders to do that) and
ultimately turn America into a fully fledged dictatorship.
During that national emergency elections will also be suspended.
His approval ratings are amongst the lowest of any US president. How he ever got elected is something I will never
understand.There is a serious flaw in the Presidential election process in this country.
You may want to check out the documenta ry American Dictatorship by Alex Jones (goo gle video) somewh ere after the
bohemian grove stuff it goes into how easy the elections are to be rigged with the new electronic voting machines leaving no
paper trail.
People may think "That could never happen in America" but it has happened in America before why not again?
T h e n when you have the most p owerful country in the world run by one power hung ry dictator (Bu$h) it doesn t take a genius
to figure what is going to happen next.
knowledgehungry January 2nd, 2007, 02:29 AM

One slight problem with your figures Jack's Complete, there is no way of telling how many Iraqi deaths were caused by U.S.
troops as opposed to Iraqi on Iraqi violence.
Obviously one can say it doesn't really matter as it is still indirectly Bush's fault, but if we are going with indirect deaths then
we have to count the half million children Saddam starved to death by misusing the Food for Oil program.
Corona January 2nd, 2007, 03:11 AM

You can argue forever who killed how many and come up with different figures and definitions every time. Specially when one
considers how British special forces were caught red handed planting bombs to create "Iraqi on Iraqi" violence... such things
are done in every conflict, it's nothing remarkable... only someone moronically naive would refuse to believe that Americans/
British never used false-flag ops to further violence between enemy factions (it would be stupid not to do so to take advantage
of differences between various groups). And why have Americans been so good at looking the other way whenever the Shia
militias arm themselves to the teeth?
Fact is... the only fact that really matters for the future... is that the US gave Iraq to Iran as a gift. Because of sheer
incompetence? Or is this some secret policy mere mortals can't understand?
Smart... very smart. Talk about hitting your thumb with a hammer.
Killing a has-been like Saddam was only a feeble attempt to retrieve some credibility. I do agree however with the gist of the
arguments above that the man was a turd. Just like Chimpy is a turd and Osama is a turd.... they're all turds. So it isn't like
the skies have fallen if there is one less turd in this world. It might even be a good thing.
Chopper January 2nd, 2007, 05:34 AM

>>During that national emergency elections will also be suspended.
It's enough to make you laugh isn't it?

"There's no way we can hold elections at such a time of conflict, the results will be skewed"
How is the same not true of the shit-hole that is Iraq?
Hey, I'm all for cops - they only fuck me up when I deserve it and am stupid enough to draw attention to myself, but you can't
put yourself up there as the world's policeman and then be selective about where and how you administer justice.
Also, sure Saddam's actions under the Oil For Food program did result in the deaths of 1/2 a million kids. But unless we
learned of each and every one of these after the ceasation of the program, we're just as much to blame for being pigheaded
and expecting his own (by all acounts, terrified) populace to rise up against him and demand he play ball. On one hand we
call him a dictator and on the other we expect the sheeple there to tell him how to run the place. Yeah fucking right!
If the whole affair wasn't so serious it would be entirely laughable that we in the west hold the moral high-ground in this issue.
It's like a bunch of schoolyard bullies fighting it out before the victor comes and tells the class what an upstanding citizen he is
and that he was only fighting with the other bully "for the good of others"
I'm absolutely not a lawer. Just wondering, anybody know if it's usuall to execute a person who's still facing charges, charges
that are arguably far more serious that the ones for which he was condemned? Be a shame if retribution got in the way of a
fuller form of justice..
10fingers January 2nd, 2007, 06:58 AM

I think that it is customary to prosecute on all charges but if you were to do that with Saddam he would probably die of old age
before hanging. How many death sentences do you need? Also, maybe the decision to hang asap was in the hope that it
would help quell the insurgency/civil war.
Chopper January 2nd, 2007, 08:05 AM

Certainly, one execution will do the trick.
I'm approaching this from a philosophical point of view. In that it's somewhat akin to pardoning somebody after they've been
wrongfully executed. The event has already irrevocably changed the future, but it's important that the record of history be
correct.
I guess all we can hope for with regards to the prick is that he is found guilty in absentia for the other charges before him at
the time of his death. For nobody's sake but those of his victims and their families. Though, in my country at least, all
impending court cases are cancelled in the event of the death of the accused.
I'd personally have found no more problem with the situation if he was walked out the back door of the courtroom after the
final rejection of his appeal and executed on the spot.
To avoid becoming tyrants ourselves, we need to respect people and due process, regardless of who they are, and how much
of a cunt we take them to be. That is a true sign of civilized people, IMHO.
ShadowMyGeekSpace January 2nd, 2007, 12:46 PM

To avoid becoming tyrants ourselves, we need to respect people and due process, regardless of who they are, and how much
of a cunt we take them to be. That is a true sign of civilized people, IMHO.That's how the system should work, but
unfortunitely not how it does work. Only those with money can afford a defense, and only those with friends in high places can
get off scotch free... the rest of society is destroyed by presumed guilt, and media spin.
Chopper January 2nd, 2007, 01:38 PM

Ex-fucking-zactly!!
That was precisely one of the things that leads me to believe it's a fucking joke that we take the moral high-ground. The
people that are able avoid poor-man's justice are the very same ones that have deprived the Iraquis of it in this case.
We all know he was responsible for the deaths of too many people to count, but that may never be commited to paper as
judicial fact - merely as being widely accepted, that's hardly a good thing.
Take for example Augusto Pinochet... If he was 15 years younger would he have been punished as robustly?? House arrest
indeed! What's age got to do with it really, anyway?
Yeah, we may live in western society - but we sure aint civilized. Even if we don't live in rags in the desert, in my mind being
civilized is about the mind, not the living circumstances. We may appear or even in fact, be less uncivilized, but we're still a
long way from being civilized, I reckon.
simply RED January 2nd, 2007, 06:51 PM

Only people who believe in the things spoken here - can burry Saddam forever...
atlas#11 January 2nd, 2007, 07:37 PM

The man did what any one of us would have done in his situation. He grew up in hell, how can you blame him for growing into
a demon? Thats not to say we arn't justified in killing him, he killed alot of people that may or may not have deserved it,
(they probably did). Personaly I could probably justify killing the majority of the human population of earth for the things were
responsible for.
We pay for the gas no matter how high the prices go. You blame *them* for the high prices when it's you who drives the cars
everyday. You wonder why your broke when you buy a new car every five years. You spend three grand on a 54 inch tv and put
15 food ceelings in your house and wonder why it costs so much to heat it. People just keep playing along with it, NBK figured
it out, (read his rants on rent). Socoiety *meaning you included* pays for shit they don't need every single day and the smart
ones *you would do it too* capitalize on it and take advantage of everything they can to get some cash. That may or may not
be human nature but it doesn't matter, thats the way our economy works. Goods are built to last a certian legnth of time and
then stop so you have to buy a new one, if they worked for ever you would only sell so many and then business would stop.
You would go out of business.
It's kind of a backwards socoiety, people "benifit" by selling junk rather than respectable goods. You can only stay in business
if your service must be repeated. Whats the benifit of fixing a flat tire right when you can duct tape it and charge an extra 30
bucks when it breaks tomarrow? The goal of the system seems not to promote the individual, rather those smart enough to
get in to positions of leadership. You are expected to keep yourself impoverished (not exactly poverty, you have nice things to
keep you comfortable) for the good of the economy. Oh yeah, sadam is dead, did it change anything for you? Is your life any
better? Do you really expect the oil prices to drop just because our corporations own the oil rather than the arabs? You think
Saddam was bad, look at Africa, massacres happen all the time, genocide happens all the time, were only in Iraq because of
the money. You think our government cares about the kurds? Saddam is only being punished because the Americans *thats
you:) * demand "justice" for all the people he killed. If the media didn't bring the slaughter to your attention then you
wouldn't give a rats ass about the towel heads.
And for those of you who hate Bush, I find it laughable that you even believe he has any control over anything. No one is that
ignorant, no one is that bad with publicity. Bush is pressured into every descision he makes by the real rulers of the country,
the ceo's and company owners. Think of it like a hierarchy, it goes: business to corporation to government. They're just a
giant corporation that has to listen to it's investors. Exactly who is running the show is a mystery, but you can bet your ass
Bush is falling so they can put some other pupet into power. The whole republican vs. democrat thing is a joke, call me a
conspiracy theorist all you want but the senators benifit nothing from being devided on issues, keeping the sheeple happy and
the money flowing is their only concern. If it makes them more money or it keeps the people happy then it goes. It's all just
an act. Just you wait till we get some "liberal" in "power" next year and lose our guns, until then, just keep spending money
and watching fox.
Gatsby January 2nd, 2007, 08:10 PM

Is it possible that the execution video was faked? It shows him falling through the platform and for a moment you see the
rope taunt, then the next few seconds you don't see his body at all. The next scene is of his face for a few grainy moments. It
looked like one of the low budget films that had to use editing to get the desired effect.
This may be complete lunacy, but could that be possible?
And if so then why?
akinrog January 2nd, 2007, 10:13 PM

Just hearing about about the thousands he killed, he needed killing. Some times I think iraq only understands the butt of a
gun. Its going to be a long and very involved process and I don't think a just government will ever be ascertainable there.
While he was a dictator like any other rich theocratic Arab country in the region (except he is not a religious scumbag), he did
not kill thousands of peoples, that's one of the lies told by the Bush et al., i.e. the New World Order Guys. His sentence
judgement consisted of charges of killing 148 civilians but being tried for the supposed Kurdish Massacre in Halapja.
And the claim that Iraqis were given a chance to live decently is a total deception, since the current government in Iraq is a
puppet government which just like the Saudis and other pro-US and religious extremist Arab countries shall give concessions
to US oil tycoons on a silver platter. That's why they are chosen for government.
And most probably the current scheme by the New World Order guys shall backfire and the Country shall succumb into a
sectarian war and finally become a Islamic Fundamentalist stronghold like Afghanistan.
It's interesting that people living several thousand kms from Iraq and never set a foot in the area have very concrete
convictions about Saddam and his supposed atrocities. Atrocities committed by pro-US Arab islamic countries under Sheriah
(Islamic Laws) in the region are a few more folds than that of Saddam. Saddam was at least a secular guy not allowing those
Islamic fundamentalists.
Do you think those Kurds were innocent lambs? They were armed to teeth and actively fighting for getting their Kurdistan,
backed by the (in)famous three letter agency. In pursuance of their political aims, they both killed and got killed. No
massacre, no genocide or something like that. The bastards are lying outright!... :mad: Regards.
knowledgehungry January 3rd, 2007, 12:28 AM

Akinrog, the figures for the 300,000 killed by Saddam comes from a rather leftist group called Human Rights Watch. This
group has nothing to do with Bush and those figures were stated long before Bush even came to power.
The video was certainly not faked, I watched official footage and the cell phone footage and everything up until the actual
hanging is the same, the reason he dissappears is because he drops into a trap door in the floor and the camera didn't follow
quickly enough, and the floor blocked the view of his body IIRC.
DONMAN January 3rd, 2007, 02:06 AM

And most probably the current scheme by the New World Order guys
I don't like the bush administration but, I don't buy into the whole new world order horse shit. I am sorry but the NWO is a
myth. Its a total joke. If you really believe in that then I have a bridge in London to sell you.:rolleyes:
This guy and his sons where absolute maniacs. His sons would see a women, kill her husband, rape her and, then kill her.
Saddam used to take his sons and make them watch as he tortured people. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-
04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm)
Sure..... he kept Iraq under control but at the cost of how many lives? The kurd massacre was inhumane. These people where
oppressed, they where innocent. Most of the people killed weren't even rebels.
A larger amount of the people America kills are related or affiliated with terrorist activity. I do not advocate this war, but now
that we are in the middle east we have to stay till the job is done or, till america rots from the inside out.
10fingers January 3rd, 2007, 02:14 AM

Let's assume that the whole Iraq war was a grab at there oil. You could argue endlessly about this. So what? Is the world
economy better or worse off if the oil of Iraq was in US control? I would think better. Is it right, no.
What good came of the Iraq oil revenues under Saddam? Not much. He spent it on weapons and the wars with Iran and
Kuwait. The people lived in squallor while he lived in opulent mansions.
If I was an Iraqi and given the choice of living under foreign occupation with a chance for a better life or living under a brutal
dictator with no hope for the future, the choice is easy.
The real problem with Iraq is not the US, Bush, Saddam, the oil conspiracy, the problem is that it is full of Iraqis.
c.Tech January 3rd, 2007, 03:33 AM

And for those of you who hate Bush, I find it laughable that you even believe he has any control over anything. No one is that
ignorant, no one is that bad with publicity.
I disagree, Bush is turning into a nazi like dictatorship, first it starts with the false flag operation (9/11), then power is gained
b y prote cting the people , finally he ge ts tota l control and th ere is no way to stop him with out civil un rest, riots, bombings and
other such anarchist acts which will send the country into ruin.
If you think Bush isn t doing it for control why does the laws he p asses give control and allow him to execute anybo dy who is
claimed an enemy combatant (and that could be ANYBODY)? Or the su rveillance he is puttin g onto the civil pop ulation using
faked terrorism, or the fake threats of terror, or the near martial law power he can enforce? I could go on for ages but the list
is endless.
Those powers don t aid the bu sine sses.
Just remember his jus t controlling America, he isn t the one beh ind the new wo rld ord er, just a contributor.
And most probably the current scheme by the New World Order guys shall backfire and the Country shall succumb into a
sectarian war and finally become a Islamic Fundamentalist stronghold like Afghanistan.
Lets hope so, apart for the Islamic bit.
akinrog January 3rd, 2007, 09:08 AM

I don't like the bush administration but, I don't buy into the whole new world order horse shit. I am sorry but the NWO is a
myth. Its a total joke. If you really believe in that then I have a bridge in London to sell you.:rolleyes:
I don't exactly believe it, but I believe it's a possibility since there are many secret societies, members of which are all rich and
influential, capable of doing many things.
This guy and his sons where absolute maniacs. His sons would see a women, kill her husband, rape her and, then kill her.
Saddam used to take his sons and make them watch as he tortured people. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-
04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm)
The same is also valid for other rich Arab countries. Do you think US' loyal and faithful good sheikhs in Arab countries have
only four women as their legal wifes to screw? Of course not. They also do every possible thing to get a woman if they intend
to, with one exception that such thing (even if horrible) shall not be covered by Western media since those sheikhs are good
tyrants who do not harm US interests.
Sure..... he kept Iraq under control but at the cost of how many lives? The kurd massacre was inhumane. These people where
oppressed, they where innocent. Most of the people killed weren't even rebels.
If I were in your boots, I would be very careful about the news you see on your media. Kurds had not been, were not and are
not INNOCENT. Apart from their atrocities conducted in Iraq those rats are infiltrating into my country and killed more than
35,000 officers and a few more folds of innocent civilians (who are mostly Kurdish people who opposed their Kurdistan dreams
and whom they are calling as their people). So don't buy the bullshit that the Kurds were innocent because they are not.
Kurdish people are primitively tribalistic people meaning that if their clan chief decides something all his serfs comply with it. I
mean Kurdish people chose to actively fight not only against the government(s) in region but also start killing all non-kurds
and kurds who are opposing their Kurdistan aims. They are currently conducting some sort of ethnic cleansing for establishing
their terra ultima, called Kurdistan by the help of coalition forces in Iraq.
However, instead of bearing consequences of fighting (which is killing and getting killed), just like a man should do, they go
on their knees before their western masters and start whining like bitches "Saddam is killing us" and putting many
exagerations to the story as if Saddam started killing them while they are unarmed in the Nazi fashion, which is a total lie.
Since Kurdish movement involves my country's interest, we are constantly watching the Northern Iraq with a army formation at
the border. The bastards are forcing all non-Kurdish people to leave the area and if they refuse they kill them.
At the best rate, when invaders are gone, Kurdish people shall have their long propagandized lie, i.e. massacre as a reality
finally, because triason is never forgiven nor forgotton in any country on the surface of the earth. Regards.
Maitreya January 3rd, 2007, 09:43 AM

We must learn to deal with things in a non-violent manner. The idea of reciprocity as justification for social duty to create an
equal society does not seem to be working these days. Violence against an enemy because he or she attacked you is often
not the best justification for attacking the attacker. Such actions seem primitive and uncivilized. Today's societies have
become civilized as they've learned psychology, philosophy, sociology, and political science. However, people seem to forget
all of it at the drop of a hat.
I disagree, Bush is turning into a nazi like dictatorship, first it starts with the false flag operation (9/11), then power is gained
by protecting the people, finally he gets total control and there is no way to stop him without civil unrest, riots, bombings and
other such anarchist acts which will send the country into ruin.
Yes, George W. Bush does seem to be quite the social engineer. I've been noticing this more and more as time has passed.
However, he will be out of office soon enough.
Bush is a social engineer as Saddam was. International politics seem to be a large mind game. Some people can't play the
game, so they destroy the enemy as a unlearned child would destroy an enemy because he or she does not know how to
correctly play the game.
I believe the Israelis will procrastinate endlessly and that it may well take the emergence of someone strong to bring about
reconciliation.
Alexires January 5th, 2007, 01:25 AM

Maitreya - In a perfect world, that would work. Non-violence would be the answer, and everyone would share everything so that
no one is left out.
Welcome to the real world.
You need to be violent in this world. You need to hurt, kill, maim to get what you want.
If someone attacks you and you do not retaliate, you will be destroyed. It extends from the base of our society, through
school to the highest reaches of "civilization" just with a thicker and thicker veneer of bullshit on top. See here (http://
www.thepaincomics.com/weekly020123.htm) to get the idea.
In this world you are either a sheeple who simply follows the disguised commands of the corporate gods, someone who tries to
escape the system and create a utopia for yourself (in most cases fail) or you use the system to your advantage. You sit
outside the system, but use the base elements of human nature to further your own gains.
The only thing that distinguishes you from the CEO's sitting in the cushy chairs and making more money than they can ever
spend in a lifetime is your sphere of influence, and that you know when to stop.
You need to keep site of your goal and not confuse it with money. You need to do what you have to to get what you need to
attain your life's desire and no more.
Remember RTPB 6. Greed Kills.
inventorgp January 5th, 2007, 08:19 AM

Alexries, referring to perfect world, I will use movies as an example. In the movie Equilibrium people injected them selves with
a drug daily to prevent the brain from feeling emotions. This was actually forced upon by the government.
Or kinda like in Serenity where the government were adding chemicals to the air to calm the anger in humans?
Even then they still had problems.
Bert January 5th, 2007, 02:14 PM

Gotta love The WarNerd... http://www.exile.ru/2006-December-29/war_nerd_eulogy_saddam.html
tiac03 January 5th, 2007, 02:51 PM

Honnestly after the Iraqi's told the US to fuck off after they caught saddam, I'd have given the country back to him. "Here you
can have it but don't piss us off or we will level the country".
Speaking of hanging, why don't we hang all "insurgents" caught. Isnt it written that if they are hung they don't "go to allah"?
This would make them less inclined to attempting their "free ticket to heaven" routine.
Lastly I'd rather a Communist country with a nuke than a "strapped a bomb to my child because allah told me to" one. All
Religious people are dangerous, just most don't have the means to let others know it.
Altroman January 5th, 2007, 03:44 PM

. . . So why the painless death? Why not dissolve him in the Iraqi equivalent of Rooto, or somesuch? Seeing as he did it to
many, many others, for far smaller offences. Guess I fail to see the "justice" in a clean, brief, euthanastic death.
I would have much rather seen it been built up like the Superbowl or the World Series or a Monster Truck pull, with expensive
tickets, in a large arena. They could have arranged the demise of some less-noted evildoers as opening acts, interspersed
with a musical song-and-dance routine and a speech by that days' leader of security. With advertising and concessions, of
course. Then the Big Event!
Oh yeah - almost forgot about merchandising! So who'se gonna be selling the "Saddam Exocution Playset"? Little plastic
gallows, well-dressed plastic Saddam doll (with extendable neck), prerecorded chants, taunting, and automated trapdoor
release at the push of the little red button (batteries not included). If they did, I'd definitely buy one so I could relive the
experience over and over.
shooter3 January 5th, 2007, 10:07 PM

Saddam was lucky. The muslims usually like to torture their victums. Most islamic hangings are short drop or hoisting from a
crane (don't die to fast now!). The executioners did a good job as a matter of fact. Scarf and 1 inch rope,so they didn't cut his
head of. The sliding part of the knot was facing front (to impart twist as the noose tightened) and aparently just enough drop
to kill him instantly. We should be doing that here as a deterent(gruesome, but humane).
Cobalt.45 January 6th, 2007, 01:33 AM

As to true punishment, the last thing you want to do is kill him.
You make his every breath more hideously painful than the last. Seventy eleven different kinds of hell inflicted on him for as
long as he stays alive.
Death would be the most desired thing in his life. He would beg and plead for death. But death wouldn&

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