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Andreas Tpfer
Victoria Ivanova
Fractured Mediations
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Armen Avanessian
The basic thesis of the post-contemporary is that
time is changing. We are not just living in a new
Suhail Malik
Yes, and the main reason for the speculative
reorganization of time is the complexity and
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later, is that it is no longer necessary to explain
the movement of the past and the future on the
The time-complex 2014). But the
is specific to the speculative time-
structures of complex is distinct
integrated socio-
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organization that surpass phenomenological
determinationare those in which the past, the
AA
And to some concrete examples of the speculative
time-complex that we know from everyday
SM
Could you outline these phenomena?
a productive or more pro-active manner.
AA Another thing, often criticized, is the politics
What has been called preemptive personality or of preemptive strikes, which is also
personalization is how you get a certain package a new phenomenon of the 21st century. Brian
or information about what you might want that Massumi and others have written about the
you havent explicitly asked for from a commercial kind of recursive truth they produce: you bomb
service. We know a version of this from Amazon: somewhere and then afterwards you will find the
its algorithmic enemy you expected. You produce a situation
Rob Horning, procedures give us that was initially a
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I dont think that all this is necessarily bad, but speculative temporality discussed a lot nowadays
we do have to learn how to deal with it in is preemptive policing. You have it in science
fiction, notably with the PreCrime and precog
detection of Philip K. Dicks Minority Report (and
the Spielberg film based on it). Versions of this
SM
Along with pre-, whats advanced by the time-
complex is also a condition of the post, the
current ubiquity of which characterizes where we
are at now, and which is maybe added to with the
contention of the post-contemporary. Everything
now seems to be post- something else, which
indexes that our understanding of what is
happening now has some relation to but is also
disconnected to historically given conditions.
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While the pre- indexes a kind of anticipatory
deduction of the future that is acting in the
presentso that future is already working within
the now, again indicating how the present isnt
the primary category but is understood to
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can no longer primarily be deduced from the
past nor is it an act of a pure decisionism, but
SM
Yes, as much as we are each indebted in different
ways to speculative realism, and shared the
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against a present price. As Elena Esposito clearly basis, to reiterate, of a future that is unknown
shows, with derivatives the uncertainties of the and unactualized.
Armen Avanessian and Suhail Malik
For the divergence Derivatives are, pre-emptive personality and so on, which are
between production- in Natalia Zuluagas also anticipated through big data, and the use of
based models of price phrase, a specific kind algorithms through consumer information. But it
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that you and others have described through But arent these conditions what you and
pre-emptive policing, pre-emptive strikes, Anke Henning were also dealing with in your
Speculative Poetics project, be it more in relation
to formal literary and linguistic analysis?
SM
One of the things you and Anke do in Present
Tense, which is really important to emphasize
here, is to introduce grammar structures within
language as a kind of time-complex. Language
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for you seems to be a cognitive, plastic and
manipulable medium of the time-complex.
Armen Avanessian and Suhail Malik
AA SM
Language has one unique and key feature in Yes, maybe later. The core point seems to be
this regard: a tense system. The tense system that formulations like every past was a future
is really important to our understanding and and every future will be a past
construction of time, even more fundamental
than the experience of time because it structures AA
that experiencethough not in a relativist sense. And so on: every present as well
Most continental philosophies of language or
time actually dont deal with what is specific to SM
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realism or any kind of speculative philosophy
was a better understanding of what I would call a
speculative and materialist temporality. For Anke
and me, this meant understanding time on the
basis of the grammatical structures of language
SM
At the same time, you make the criticism that
speculative realism, as we mainly have it, doesnt
take ordinary or literary language seriously narrative. Does the same operationalization of
enough because it consigns it to correlationism tense happen outside of human languages,
meaning, effectively, the dimension of human for example through the derivative structures
experience that never leaves itself. we mentioned?
AA AA
Yes, but thats their self-misunderstanding. The point is rather that experience of time and
the construction of something like chronological
SM time are only effects of grammar, not a
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are not just descriptive. They also construct time and the primacy of the present equalizes past,
relations within language, especially through present and future.
understanding of literature doesnt understand
that the present tense produces asynchrony.
AA
That the present is not fully experienceable but
is split in itself, and that tense structures can
actively operationalize this splitting. It is laden
with innumerable past-presents. It presents
actual phenomena as post-X phenomena and it
desynchronizes time.
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goes very far. The temporal phenomenon (Edinburgh: AK Press, with their specific
we were interested in is how all the aesthetic 2011). determination of what,
in their contribution to this issue, they identify
to be a better future, which provides an active
horizon to direct the politics of the present.
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of the present tense novel in the period since, emergence of the neoliberal mobilization of the
we live in a new, speculative time structure. speculative time-complex, both are just playing in
different ways into the hands of this new formation
of neoliberal capitalism, or financial feudalism.
Its perhaps more obvious with the right-wing
SM
That is an instructive formulation of typical left
and right reactions, and typical defensive moves
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on. The authority of past conditions is invoked
as a stabilization mechanism for modernization.
how that autocratic, post-democratic kind of
power is to be legitimized. The right is very useful
just here because what they endorse, essentially,
AA
And the left-critical abreaction?
SM
In a way, leftism makes the problem of the
contemporary more evident because the left
in its progressive forms has been attached to
modernism. The now in which the new takes place
is the fetish for change for the progressive left,
exemplified by its revolutionary ideals and clichs.
To be clear: the right is not necessarily against The lefts abreaction to the speculative time-
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autocracy that goes along with the neoliberal structures we discussed earlier. The past was the
restructuring. The political question then is future, and the future will be the past.
AA than the right because its not trying to restore
There is no critical interruption from the present a past (though its revolutionary wing does
in this speculative present. seem largely interested in restoring a historical
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have traction on the speculative present, even if
that leftism is more attentive to the time-complex
AA
The whole idea of what in German is called
Zeitgenossenschaftthe contemporary, more
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the contemporary can then accommodate, also, as we said before, individuated experience
dissimilate, colonize all of time in its own terms. as the main benefit of that reorganization. It takes
the lead in a general aestheticization at all levels:
personal/individual creativity, originality etc.;
environment and cities as spaces of creativity and
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to are instead only the singularities of what is and
of experiences. That is certainly the injunction of
contemporary art, operating via each artwork and
its social norms. And to that extent it is a minor
but paradigmatic model for a neoliberal sociality,
AA
We agree that we have to think and act within
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a post-contemporary speculative time-complex.
But now the question is: how to differ from
the capitalist or financial-feudalistic version
of it? How does a speculative theory introduce
a difference into the speculative present from
SM
That is the fundamental political question, for
sure. One further theoretical point might help us
understand the difficulties here. Namely, why is
our wish to get past contemporaneity not just
Jacques Derridas criticism of the metaphysics of
presence? For Derrida, presence is the primary
category of western metaphysics, circumscribing
not just the main philosophical doctrines in the being deconstructed: Metaphysics needs to be
Western tradition but also correlative prevailing deconstructed and it deconstructs itself all the
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a necessarily ongoing process of the ideology or lineage of critique he belongs to is not necessarily
effect of presentness establishing itself and also something positive.
AA
We should not be afraid of establishing meaning.
On the contrary.
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established meaning. speculative time-complex. Contemporaneity
here includes all the procedures of interruption,
and restricted organization of the speculative
present; one that for all of its complexity reverts
to presentification because the profits have to
AA
The problem is that one has to admit that the
social, technological, political and economic
formation of neoliberalism has an advantage
in part because it acts within the speculative
temporality, in part as it has established
institutions functioning in accordance with this
speculative logic. But the neoliberal formation
also reduces the speculative dimension of the
time-complex because it repudiates the openness
subtraction, delay and non-identity you mention, or contingency of the future as well as the present.
as well as many others including semantic
deconstruction. SM
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has so successfully done. That capitalized AA
formation of the time-complex is a kind of limited No, no. The contemporary is a constant
production of innovations and differences, but it
doesnt introduce a difference to the recursive
movement of time. The German allows for
SM SM
So the task of the post-contemporary against What do you mean by indicative?
contemporaneity is to change time?
AA
AA There are three modes in grammar: the imperative
The post-contemporary works within the (Go!), the indicative (She goes.), and
speculative present. It understands it, it practices the conjunctive (I could go.). In language
it, and it shapes our temporality. Are there philosophybut also politicallyits important
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alternative actualizations of the speculative to understand that all tenses are modal. The
or asynchronous present; are there different past and the present have to be understood in
a modal wayprimarily as indicative. But the
future tense and the conjunctive mode are pretty
close in that they both deploy the grammar of
SM
Is the conjunctive the form of contemporaneity?
What it sets up is a sense that actions could
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actualized for fear of instrumentalization and,
paradoxically and self-destructively, realizing
in any present a future radically distinct from
the present.
SM
The contemporary is a-modal?
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act differently in the present instead of being that suggests a new openness to the future,
subjected to an automatized future, whether which is to the advantage of a relatively new kind
futural and technoscientific reorganization of
bodies, identities, and concepts of selfhood; and
Roden scrambles body, affect, language in light
AA
of capital accumulation but can be mobilized We need more than a language theory, for sure,
otherwise. Ivanova makes the case for how but in any case we need what I call a poetic
a new global juridico-political quasi-order is understanding which, for me, is informed by
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formation takes place. Laboria Cuboniks wrestle formats than the kind of repressive mechanisms
with the legacies of feminism given just such of contemporaneity and what you identify as
the indicative, its also necessary that the On Speculative Design
restructuring are operationalized also in Benjamin H. Bratton
non-linguistic terms. We have to open up the
time-complex in its infrastructures that are more
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