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Both? 41 26.28%
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Navigatr1 Do you think this website holds cops accountable? Or bashes cops?
Extended Sabatical
The purpose of this website is to hold cops fully accountable for

their actions. All too often they will get a slap on the wrist for
something that will get a regular citizen a harsh sentence.
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Some members of this board have accused us of bashing cops. I
Posts: 31403 admit that a few members go a little overboard and do some cop
bashing. However, I would like to hear why it is felt that we bash
cops. I especially want to hear from our cop members.
I ask that everyone keep the discussion civil, and please do not
attack a member because you don't like their opinion. Hopefully we
can find some common ground.
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owners of this board. Articles posted on this board by me, or other members, are
merely a collection of publicly published articles on the internet that are
conveniently posted in one place. The purpose of the articles is accountability for
too often law enforcement officers just get a slap on the wrist. The use of these
articles is for non-profit use, as well as educational and historical purposes.
Paraphrasing Maureen Kanka: "You got to be able to tell the children who the bad
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Darryl Do we bash cops?

Senior Member As if cops never come on this forum and call us all crimmals?
After a whiles i get sick of cops calling me a crimmal. I deal with
Registered: Jul 2003 crimmal cops for the last 6 years of my life including harrasment in
Location: my own home and property, and I talk with many other people who
Posts: 755
deal with the same. And we are all crimmals.
Now if you are a honest cop i could see getting tired of dealing with
the same crap only they do not wear a badge. at least cops can
bust their buts and put them in jail. We do not have that
opition.
They get paid to deal with crap I do not, their lawyers bills are paid
by the taxpayers and they have the best, my lawyers bill come
from my hard earned money. If i lie they get the benifit of doubt, if

they lie I do not gain that advantage.
I was taught to trust law enforcement and I DID, until a group of

crooked law enforcement screwed me. This goes on all over
america. I am a proud member of people who dislikes, and is not
scared of crooked cops.
THE MOST DESPICABLE CRIMMAL OF ALL IS ONE WITH A BADGE.
02-07-2004 05:41 AM
GOD COP
Senior Member
so let's say the "brainwashed" recruit cops come across this
website and think that all cops are "untainted". i can understand a
little anger but the truth is, they haven't been able to get a piece of
the real world yet and see human nature at its worst. does anyone
remember the senseless fight over the d.v.d. plaer around
christmas at that crappy wal-mart? how about the article in the
paper where the senior citizen stabbed her husband over the last
chicken wing? my point is, this site provides food for thought no
matter what side you may be on. cops are people and so are
criminals. i guess my point is not all cops are bad and i have tried
to emphasize this point!

Registered: Aug 2003
Location:
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Navigatr1 GOD COP wrote:

Extended Sabatical
quote:
Registered: Jul 2003 not all cops are bad and i have tried to emphasize this
Location: point!
Posts: 31403
I want to point out that this website recognizes that there are good
cops out there, and that not all cops are bad. So I concur with GOD
COP's statement. We are thankful that their are good cops out
there.
It is the bad cops that make all cops look bad. We usually don't
read in the newspaper or hear on the media when a cop does
something good. However, when a cop goes bad, we usually hear
about it. Sometimes the news media will distort the facts for

sensationalism. I know that the media does distort facts for it has
happened to me. They will print a correction hidden in some
obscure corner of the paper, but by then the damage has already
been done.
It is important that these bad cops be held fully accountable for

their actions. And the public has to see that this is happening in
order to trust law enforcement. Usually what the public sees is
through the news media. The Rodney King beating is a good
example of this for it has caused riots resulting in millions of dollars
in damage.
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02-09-2004 03:18 AM
Darryl I agree with GODs cops comment too. All bad people or crimmals
Senior Member who do wrong should have their butts busted, not just cops.
Something I need to remember that people come onto this board
Registered: Jul 2003 that are new to this game, and if you are a honest cop or a honest
Location: citzen fighting agaisnt injustice, sometimes we all get caught up
Posts: 755
into the heat of our battle.
I understand how old it must get night after night dealing with
dip****s who get drunk and call the cops to figure out who won the
rummy game.
Understand a person who fights crooked cops, illegal phone taps

cameras, etc, etc. It depends on what group you are agaisnt.
Understand our frusatation.
There is 2 sides to ever story, but if the people on this site are
honest and si ncre then our wants are all the same.

that is why I am on this site is to fight crooks badge or not.
I have a passion for fighting crooked cops because they think they
are so tough. I have no PROLBEM with a honest cop. But i love you
crooked bastards.
02-12-2004 03:35 AM
MikeTx NO offense meant, but I don't think a website can hold any cop
Moderator accountable, it can just point out facts and opinions is all. So I say,
the way they see it, it bashes them, which is what most cops will
Registered: Feb 2004 say about anyone with a negative view toward them.
Location:
Posts: 27 Ok, are there good cops? Of course there are! You just never know
which one you are dealing with until after the plunger is in your ass.
Are there bad plumbers and doctors and mechanics and carpenters
out there? Of course there are, but those professions do not come
with arrest powers. So the comparison to bad cops and bad
"whatever" is now destroyed forever.
:sniper: :sniper:
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02-22-2004 09:41 AM
Matt1 I voted that it bashes cops.

Senior Member
Just out of curiosity, what do you do with the info you collect in the
Registered: Feb 2004 database?
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Texastwister1 Excellent thread. I voted both.

Senior Member
The reason for this was. In some place deep within myself i still
Registered: May 2004 want to believe that there are some good police officers out there. I
Location: thought Blue was one of them, but now we all know the truth about
Posts: 1744 her. Any police officer that thinks its funny about all those people
burning to death in Waco Texas cant be a good officer.
If a good honest police officer came into our forum and was getting
bashed i would not support this kind of action.
At the same token. I dont think copwatch is a place for police

officers to be posting. People dont come here to talk to the police.
They are here because their lives have been affected in some
negitive way by some law emforcment out there.
Just my opinion.
09-07-2004 10:31 PM
GC Marciano I voted both.

Copwatcher Extraordinaire
It forces accountability upon criminal swine and bashes the
scumbags behind the badges at the same time.
And whats wrong with bashing cops? Ever hear how thay talk
about the taxpayers? It all comes down to the old "you can dish
it out but you can't take it".
Personally I don't think it's the bashing that bothers them. It's
Registered: Jul 2003 the attempt to force accountability upon them that they can't
Location: Chicago, Illinois handle.
Posts: 9967
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officer, this effect is the result of the Officer's crimes. We agree with the
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09-08-2004 02:29 AM
Texastwister1 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Exterminator

Senior Member [B]Bashes. Whatever good is said by any cops here is sent right to
the ****ter duncan al follow cops around every post and keep on
Registered: May 2004 with the insults and bashing. Next any cop who comes back at them
Location: is threatened will being kicked off the board.
Posts: 1744
I read the crap that provoked blue and I can't say I blame her. You
make such a big **** out of her with the waco remark but it's okay
for duncan to post the bounty fliers for killing cops? Texas don't say
that you thought Blue was a good cop because you were another
guy who jumped aboard the ball breaking train to harass her. Most
cops like doctors, and funeral directors develop a macabre, in case
you don't know what macabre is it's means grusome, grisly, etc.,
sense of humor. This helps them cope with many horrendous
situations. It's highly unfair to judge someone who tried to get their
point across in spite of all the bull**** and then just keep on
harassing them. I read the entire post about the incident with your
son either you were drunk and wanted to screw with her as you
said you do at O.com I think that's what happened she patiently
tried to explain herself and then you turned on her sounding like
duncanand she said **** it and went for your sore spot when she
did it was you who cried and went into a frenzy.
Exterminator, I dont have any problems with you. Sorry i was not
drunk when blue showed her ass.
I do have a problem when a cop comes on to copwatch talking

smack about Waco. (Thinking it was funny) If you think im wrong
here just ask a branch davidian how they feel about yours and
Blues police state.
I can see how you would support Blue in thinking that it is ok for a
cop to go out and screw with some young people for no reason.
Fishing, just looking to put a person in jail. pulling up and getting
out of his patrol car before he even knew what was going on and go
into a ball breaking mode.
That is callled a police state. I dont support such a thing and i know
im not alone here.
As far as me going into a frenzy. I would suggest you go through

some of the other threads on the forum and read how she broke. I
stayed calm and cool the whole time. she called my son a firefighter
many names to try and get me to snap. Those include, little perv,
crackhead, just to name a few. I did not ask her for her opinions on
that issue. She just decided to jump right on in.
This is copwatch. We are not here to take verbal abuse from police

officers.
At any rate this thread is not about Blues madness.
Last edited by Texastwister1 on 09-08-2004 at 11:33 AM
09-08-2004 10:02 AM
bad1 I voted both.

Senior Member There have been some good points made from both sides on most
posts. Some people here will bash the cops no matter what they
Registered: Jun 2004 say or do.
Location: Georgia-Home of
LIAR Trooper Woody Rogers I think there is way to much namecalling. It doesnt look good to a
Posts: 701
visitor. They may go away thinking this site is filled with cop hating
nuts. Therefore, we lose credibility.
I have said from the beginning that I like good,honest cops. They
do a job that I dont want. I dont want to arrest some drunk to have
him throw up in the back of my patrol car.
My problem is with crooked, dirty, or outright dishonest cops.

I personally like the cops who come here because it gives a
different perspective. It would be boring if we all sat here and
agreed that the cops were the enemy and we didnt want to hear
anything different than that.
It also would not accomplish anything.
At least now the cops who come here see our concerns. And
maybe, just maybe, they will think about how their own actions are
percieved by the public.
This website cant actually hold individual cops accountable.

However, it CAN and DOES point out where the bad ones are
employed.
For instance, anyone that comes to this site now knows that
Jackson, Georgia is a crooked little speed trap with a candyass
excuse for a man who runs radar. lol
This site also can give people advice on how to file complaints, what
actions to take, etc. and that does help to hold cops accountable.
And it gives you a place to vent. That alone is worth it.
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Matt1 Exterminator, Duncan claims you were banned. What are you doing
Senior Member posting here again?
Registered: Feb 2004 TT, how am I going to possibly get an arrest out of somebody on
Location: this site? What are the odds of somebody I deal with coming to this
Posts: 1818 forum asking for advise?
I, and other officers here, have tried to give good advice to people
looking for help only to have Duncan step in and spout off. If
anyone here is trying to get somebody arrested it is Duncan.
Blue gave mountains of good advice to the former Navy Seal (?)
who came here recently asking for help.
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...15&pagenumber=1
Check the link. You will see that Duncan, Al and Mack changed the
topic toward bashing officers. Here was somebody that was actually
getting help from an officer on this site but it was changed into a
bitching session by the posters who are here claiming to help
victims of police corruption.
09-08-2004 05:28 PM
Texastwister1 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Matt1

Senior Member [B]
Registered: May 2004 TT, how am I going to possibly get an arrest out of somebody on
Location: this site? What are the odds of somebody I deal with coming to this
Posts: 1744 forum asking for advise?
You and i know this Matt but the new member dont.
As far as Blue goes. Yes she did give some good advice but at the
same time it turns out that she is one sick psycho police officer. I
really do hope she gets herself some help for her way of thinking.

09-08-2004 05:46 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Texastwister
As far as Blue goes. Yes she did give some
good advice
Blue copied and pasted the same advice that anybody can get
by doing a simple Google search. She's a real bright one...
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09-08-2004 07:56 PM
Callahan A web site cannot hold anyone accountable for anything. There are
Member bad cops but the good ones far outweigh the bad. We live in a
socity that hypes a lot of things. Let's face it the more outrageous
Registered: Sep 2004 the accusation the more papers are sold. It's as simple as that.
Location:
Posts: 40 Don't believe it? Just look at the political campains and mud
slinging used every election year. Same with the hollywood set.
People are driven to curiosity by the allegations made every date.
To hold a kangaroo court to try and convict someone in the press or
on the internet is ridiculous.
Last edited by Callahan on 09-10-2004 at 05:38 PM
09-10-2004 04:31 PM

bad1 But what do you think about the ones who are convicted?
Senior Member Worse yet, what about the ones who get away with stuff?
Registered: Jun 2004 The website cant hold a cop accountable and it shouldnt have to!
Location: Georgia-Home of The officers superiors should take allegations seriously and
LIAR Trooper Woody Rogers complaints that are validated should lead to some type of serious
Posts: 701
sanctions against the officer. Not just a wrist slap.
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Callahan If I'm not mistaken the question posed asked does this web site
Member hold officers accountable? The preceeding answer was in direct
response to this question. The statement did not include or allude
Registered: Sep 2004 to convictions.
Location:
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09-10-2004 05:41 PM
bad1 quote:
Senior Member
If I'm not mistaken the question posed asked does this
Registered: Jun 2004 web site hold officers accountable?
LIAR Trooper Woody Rogers
Posts: 701
That was the poll question. the posts since have been discussions of
opinions.
If you choose, you do not have to give your opinion. I just simply
asked you a question. Why so defensive? I havent attacked you. I
asked a question.
I certainly did not mean to tick you off.
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Callahan In response to your assumption you "ticked me off," no, you did
Member not. I kept within the scope of the topic's question. You admitted
yourself the site cannot hold an officer accountable for any
Registered: Sep 2004 transgressions or misconduct. That was a reasonable statement.
Location:
Posts: 40 My position concerning misconduct or any disciplinary charges is
that they are handled within the department. A full flegded hearing
complete with all the trimmings are included. If the charges are of a
serious nature they go beyond the initial hearing and are heard in a
court of law with a jury. When an officer is found guilty of their
charges the penalties exceed that of the general population. We
were told at the time of appointment we'd be held to a much higher
level of accountability than the ordinary citizen. Any wrong doing
doing real or implied would be a feeding frenzy for the media.
In our career there are no public apologies when an officer is

wrongfully charged or exonerated because the allegation was
nothing more than a retributionary tactic. Justice is swift and there
aren't any second chances. All allegations of wrong doing whether
internal or external sources are taken seriously. There isn't any
"wrist slapping" going on here. I hope this answers your question.
09-11-2004 02:14 PM
Mona Help me here.

Member
Just new today and not LEO. I voted bashing. I hope that further
review of the site will show me I am wrong. To become a popular
site and even receive donations to support it means you have to
Registered: Sep 2004 learn to welcome all. I do not know who this Duncan is but he
Location: Michigan
Posts: 73
seems to be referred to quite a bit in posts I have read. There must
be some happy medium here but I am having trouble finding it.
Good luck to the LEO's and police supporters on this site, looks like
you are going to need it. You may want to look for a more pro
police site. Any mods or owners want to help me understand why I
should continue to come here? Looks like a well designed site so

looking for positive feedback.
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cbd This site bashes cops.

Junior Member
First of all I would like to see nothing more than seeing all corrupt
Registered: Sep 2004 cops off the force.
Location:
Posts: 25 Secondly I believe that police officer do make mistakes like any
other human in any situation
Finally the people on this site have never been in a situation were
they believe their life was threatened. Most of the people here have
never had a paramilitary job were their life was in danger and they
were forced to make a split second decision. Alot of the people on
this forum are trash from the extreme right and the extreme left,
they all shoot their mouths off, however can't hold corrupt police
officers accountable because their aim is to hate and spew hatred
towards anybody wearing a badge.
09-16-2004 12:19 AM
bad1 It answers a question but, I am sorry, it doesnt jibe with what I

Senior Member have seen FIRSTHAND.
Registered: Jun 2004 quote:

Posts: 701 My position concerning misconduct or any disciplinary
charges is that they are handled within the department.
Personally, I see that as a major part of the problem. You have to

go to the person who wronged you and they "investigate"
themselves!
We dont let criminals do that. Why should cops?
quote:
We were told at the time of appointment we'd be held

to a much higher level of accountability than the
ordinary citizen.
You should be! You have been entrusted in a position that should
require more examination and be held up to a microscope if
necessary.
quote:

Any wrong doing doing real or implied would be a

feeding frenzy for the media.
Really. Who do I contact?
quote:
Justice is swift and there aren't any second chances.
Again. Really?
We just had an Atlanta police officer arrested for ROBBING BANKS!!
He had been suspended TWICE in the past year for other things.
Do you STILL think there are "no second chances"?
Maybe at your dept there are no second chances. If that is the

case, I commend you for being with a good department. I just
havent witnessed that so much anywhere else.
We have a speed trap in Jackson, Georgia where, it seems,

everyone just happens to be going 62 in a 45.
quote:
There isn't any "wrist slapping" going on here.
Maybe not there but it goes on in a LOT of other places. Read some
of the stories where officers have been convicted and you will see
they had a pattern.
I have said before that the departments cover for bad officers until
they do something that cant be covered anymore.
CBD
get over yourself already.
quote:
This site bashes cops
I havent bashed any GOOD cops.
quote:

Secondly I believe that police officer do make mistakes

like any other human in any situation
Intentionally lying and make false charges is not a "mistake". God

help you, and us, if you think it is.
quote:
Finally the people on this site have never been in a

situation were they believe their life was threatened.
So you know each and every person on this site personally?
quote:
Most of the people here have never had a paramilitary

job
The police are NOT supposed to be "paramilitary". They are PEACE

OFFICERS.
If they want to join the REAL military, they should do so.

The problem with our country is we have the military out doing
police work in other countries while our police are here acting like
the military!!
As far as the rest of your statement. Blah,blah,blah.
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09-16-2004 11:55 AM

cbd You know whats funny you have a forum full of examples of bad
Junior Member cops getting arrested and charged for being corrupt. You also all
have attacked all police officers as ***s and swine so there you go.
Registered: Sep 2004
Location: Police and Fire Departments could be considered paramilitary, even
Posts: 25 up in Canada. The reason why is that their are ranks that are put in
place, secondly police officers must also obey their senior officers.
Finally police are the only ones that are able to use firearms, and
have swat/tactical teams which can use force to arrest those
committing crimes.
When you talk about abuse you also have to bring into
consideration another aspect of policing drugs. In Vancouver's
westside police constables have to use force when arresting any
druggies since a drug addicts behavior can become very violent in a
matter of seconds. Also if a person does not cooperate with the
police than force may be necessary.
Lets give an example I'm sure this has happened to Duncan
Police Officer: Put your hands out of your pockets so I can see them
Duncan: f*&^ you stupid ***, go f%#^ yourself
Police Officer: Do you know why I'm talking to you
Duncan: Because your a ****ing *******
Police Officer: No because we have reason to believe that your

selling drugs and firearm to kids
Duncan: Why the **** would you think that ***
Police Officer: Because you have automatic rifles in the back of your
truck along with crystal meth, and you were in a school zone
showing it off to kids
Duncan: Yeah, well thats to show kids that if they ever need help
they should shoot the person they don't like, and the drugs were to
show them that the DARE officer was wrong, and that drugs are the
solutions to all your problems
Police Officer: Put your hands out of your pockets now
Duncan: No, **** you
Then Duncan gets wrestled to the ground, and is put under arrest.
Society is then made a whole lot better, and the people of Colorado
no longer have to worry about that scumbag threatning people
anymore. Plus his kids get to go to an actual loving family that will
teach them the importance of responsibility, and calling 911 when
they need help.

09-16-2004 07:47 PM
Matt1 Let me give you a more truthful version of what would happen.
Senior Member
Police: Excuse me, I'd like to ask you a few questions.
Registered: Feb 2004 Duncan: Anything you want officer, just please don't hurt me.
Location: Officer: I have no reason to want to hurt you. Just calm down.
Posts: 1818 Duncan: I try and talk tough on the internet but I am really not
tough like I try to act.
09-16-2004 11:43 PM
bad1 LOL Matt1 you are ****ed up. lol

Senior Member
Maybe we should start selling a set of "internet balls".
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Georgia-Home of Here is the commercial.
LIAR Trooper Woody Rogers Yes, you too, can own your own set of internet balls. These handy
Posts: 701 little attachments come in various sizes and are interchangable for
different confrontations.
We offer small for those pesky little debate sites who just want to
go on and on with nothing but facts.
We offer medium for the occasional smart aleck who just wont shut
up.
Then we offer large for the more confrontational people on the net
who just have an in your face attitude.
For a limited time, we are offering extra large nuts for thoise who
are super computer badass.
These are for professional internet badasses only and should not be
worn by a lighweight or amateur.
These extra large nuts are to be used only by people who talk crap
on the net, threaten to kick others ass but dont provide an address,
and always tell you how what they would have done it but have no
real life fights or experiences to back up their claims of badassdom.
Mostly these are to be used by people who would like to fight but
dont wont to get bruised or busted the **** up.
Dont miss out. You could have a set of internet nuts in your mouth,
er house today!
If you have a sweet tooth, you may want to check our our selection
of candyass.
Call today!!

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bad1 Or maybe this will help!

Senior Member
http://www.oohbitey.com/frankWindow.html
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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by cbd
This site bashes cops.
Great. That's settled. Deal with it.
quote:

Location: Chicago, Illinois Originally posted by cbd
Posts: 9967 First of all I would like to see nothing more
than seeing all corrupt cops off the force.
Bullshit. You defend them. Read on:

quote:

Secondly I believe that police officer do make
mistakes like any other human in any situation
Then they should be held accountable like any other human in

any situation.
quote:

Finally the people on this site have never been
in a situation were they believe their life was
threatened.
And you know this... how?
quote:

the people on this forum are trash from the
extreme right and the extreme left, they all
shoot their mouths off, however can't hold
corrupt police officers accountable because
their aim is to hate and spew hatred towards
anybody wearing a badge.
Quit whining. The fact that you call people on this forum "trash"
tells me exactly where you stand, you support the swine no
matter what they do or who they do it to. I've heard a lot of
cops use some pretty raunchy language that would make a
Sailor piss his drawers, and I've heard them refer to suspects
(not convicts) as "scumbags" and many other disgraceful
names. Doesn't that lower your precious little piggies to the
same level as us "Copwatch trash"?
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09-18-2004 02:40 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by A. Shemonia
Registered: Feb 2004 I've heard them refer to suspects (not convicts)
Location: as "scumbags" and many other disgraceful
Posts: 1818 names.
Like I said before when you said this...Boo Hoo. I would say that
99% of the time suspects in a crime are scum regardless if they
have been convicted or not. The general public more often than not
would agree with me.
09-18-2004 02:58 PM
bad1 So Matt
Senior Member
No comment on my "internet balls".
Location: Georgia-Home of We could get rich selling those puppies!
Posts: 701
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Matt1 Sorry bad1..I missed your post initially. Sounds like a good idea
Senior Member and the candyass is a nice touch.
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09-18-2004 09:00 PM
6d wife Hi boys, I missed you.

Senior Member No this site cannot hold anyone, officer or not accountable. The
foolish namecalling by both sides deters any real thoughts based on
Registered: Sep 2004 police misconduct.
Location: Somewhere DC Any person in thier right mind wouldnt stay here and listen to all
Posts: 137
your crap ( aimed at a few afore mentioned idiots).
THis is a web site, not IAD or anything that would bring IAD to an
officer.
12-05-2004 09:56 AM
Texastwister1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by 6d wife
Registered: May 2004
Location: No this site cannot hold anyone, officer or not
Posts: 1744 accountable. The foolish namecalling by both
sides deters any real thoughts based on police
misconduct.
Any person in thier right mind wouldnt stay here
and listen to all your crap ( aimed at a few afore
mentioned idiots).
THis is a web site, not IAD or anything that would
bring IAD to an officer.
Same goes for you 6dcup. If you don't like what we have to say
then don't let the door hit you in the cush on your way out.
12-05-2004 10:25 AM

birdie you are a bunch of coward cop bashers that break the law and run
and hide. You are wannabes that lost and now have a beef.
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Kiss mine fool.......your little whore has been scolded for her web
Posts: 331 ****...now I have the key board.......I won't stay long as this crap
is bull **** and real cops don't have time for it. don't ever contact
my bitch again........**** you all and my bitch will feel it
12-05-2004 11:20 AM
duncan you are a cowardly cops*cker that breaks the law and runs and
Moderator hides. You are a wannabe that lost and now has a beef wqith us
copwathcers.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Kiss mine fool.......you little whore who has been scolded for her
Posts: 9006 web ****...now I have the key board.......you won't stay long as
your crap is bull **** and real copwatchers don't have time for it.
don't ever contact us again bitch........**** you bitch and feel it
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6d wife Wow its great to be back and immediatly bashed for voicing my
Senior Member opinion in a poll that asked a question.
How mature kids, so nice to see you havent changed any.
Location: Somewhere DC A website cannot hold any one accountable, officer or citizen.
Posts: 137
12-06-2004 12:01 PM
duncan We also hold their frumpy fat ass house wives accountable.
Moderator
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12-06-2004 03:32 PM
6d wife Oh how little you know me you silly creatures.

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12-06-2004 04:10 PM

duncan frankly we don't want to know you

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12-06-2004 04:18 PM
6d wife Thats really fine with me since you are obvioulsy a miscreant.
Senior Member But dont call names at people you dont know, at least I dont need
profanity to express my thoughts.
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duncan eat sh*t p*g wife

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6d wife No thanks not my idea of fine dining.

Senior Member But bring on a nice ceasar with fresh anchovies, filet mignon,
medium rare with mushrooms, roasted veggies, and a creme brulee
Registered: Sep 2004 and fruit please.
Location: Somewhere DC Is it a date sweetie, oh yeah thankfully your not my type.
Posts: 137
12-07-2004 12:56 AM
duncan eat sh8t anyway p*g woman

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12-07-2004 11:59 AM
6d wife Wow Duncan, I keep getting the feeling you dont like me. Oh well I
Senior Member dont have enough care about what you think. Try posting
something construtive for once.
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12-07-2004 12:51 PM

duncan It is nothing personal I despise all tax consuming parasites.

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12-07-2004 09:28 PM
6d wife Yet by all accounts you yourseld are one, so is that where your
Senior Member burning hatred has come from, you ahve become what you despise
most: a" tax consuming parasite"?
Location: Somewhere DC Were you not in the military?
Posts: 137 Didnt you try to become the fuzz?
But now you are receiving some state or federal checks for some
disability or SS?
Even your wonderfull lawsuit that makes you a hero, how do you
think the PD is paying t to you, your fellow citizens tax dollars.
Now pot, do not call the kettle black.
12-08-2004 11:01 AM

duncan i don't wrok for the fed nor have I ever made a f*cking career out
Moderator of being a welfare p*g like yer hubby.
Registered: Jul 2003 Were you not in the military?

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado
Posts: 9006 yep for four years and not forty f*cking years. so you amdit that
lifers are on the gov't dole? i made less than minimum wage which
was $3.10 an hour and I was only 18 when I joined and when I
figured out what i was doing was wrong I quit. so what the f*ck is
your excuse bitch
Didnt you try to become the fuzz?
Nope never did and why do you ask and where do you get this lie
from bitch?
But now you are receiving some state or federal checks for some
disability or SS?
Nope this was a lie posted by one of the copsters who invaded iuyr
firum. Ya see ya stupid bitch cops must lie in ortder to detract from
the truth they are all on the gov't dole and hate it when it is proven
that they are the leftist commies that they pretend to hate.
Copsters don't pay the SS tax. SS is pension fund paid for by the
guy who is drawing from it and so ya dumb c&nt if it is my money
then how could I be getting it form the gov't?
Even your wonderfull lawsuit that makes you a hero, how do you
think the PD is paying t to you, your fellow citizens tax dollars.
I'm a citizen who works in the private sector thus it is my money

and not yours as your hubby is on the gov't dole. You can blame
the two copster who broke the law for this loss. Would you rather i
kill the two swine who broke the law and violated my rights or deal
with them in a civil manner? What are you a f*cking anarchist? You
f*cks stole my money and I want all of it bacK pay me now or pay
me later but either way you are gonna give it all back.
All you did ya dumb c*nt was post a list of lies. Prove that i am on
SS welfare. prove that yer huby pays the SS tax. Prove that SS
isn't a pension program paid directly by the recepient who was
taxed for it. Porve that ever applied for a job as a copster. prove
that aside from my four years in the USCG that I ever worked for
the government. Prove just one of your lies you fat ass cops*cker.
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12-08-2004 12:37 PM
duncan dumb ass bitch just admitted that her and her husband are on the
Moderator gov't dole and she disapproves of people on welfare who take
handouts from the fed.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado if you don't like people on the dole then why do you do it? does it
Posts: 9006 bother you that others are on the dole like you and cutting into
your freebees?
or maybe you do like and if this is the case then what the f*ck are
you whining about
no tax and no copster means no doel to take form and this is the
answer to the problem
it is not right that people should work hard for their money only to
watch it get stolen to feed your fat face ya dumb bitch. abolish SS#
tax and abolish taxes and then we will have fairness and there will
be no plunder for parasites like you to feed from.
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12-08-2004 12:39 PM
duncan now let us think about this c*nt's postion for a minute
Moderator
I never posted that i recieve a SS and welfare check so what is the
Registered: Jul 2003 c&nts source of info for this lie?
Posts: 9006 site your source c7nt
have you been violating the federal law in regards to privacy of

information? if so then we would all like to know about it.
you swine keep psoting this lie over and over what is your source of
info? are you p*gs in voilation of the law? tell us we would all like to
know the answer
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12-08-2004 12:59 PM

GOD COP Dumbcan, she is referring to your disability checks. That is also a
Senior Member form of welfare.
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duncan Prove it motherf*cker.

Moderator
how big is your welfare check p8g?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you have to lie about me in order to rationalize yer theft.
Posts: 9006
back it up p*g or i am going to ask that anyone who continues op
post this lie about me be banned form the forum and you will be
first
site a source p8g or otherwise be branded a f7cking liar.
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12-08-2004 02:03 PM
6d wife Well I figured it was common knowledge since it is osted all over
Senior Member this site......
If not, prove it wrong....
Registered: Sep 2004 Tell me what "freebees" I get, I would realy like to see them, we
Location: Somewhere DC cant even get out of tickets here, let alone anything else.
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If an officer is not squeeky clean here, they are gone.
DC hires less every year than it fires, so yeah there is corruption,
but that is mostly from 80 thru 90, the Berry era.
Why dont you go check out how much corruption I just handed you
from PG county???? have you looked, or are you too busy calling
me names to take in relevant information.
I cannot tell my husband what job to do, this is something HE
chose, not me.
12-08-2004 03:53 PM
GC Marciano quote:
If an officer is not squeeky clean here, they
are gone.
If this were true, there would be no police department left.
Just another lie from the pigs bitch...

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Senior Member
Registered: May 2004 Yet by all accounts you yourseld are one, so is
Location: that where your burning hatred has come from,
Posts: 1744 you ahve become what you despise most: a" tax
consuming parasite"?
Were you not in the military?

Didnt you try to become the fuzz?
But now you are receiving some state or federal
checks for some disability or SS?
Even your wonderfull lawsuit that makes you a
hero, how do you think the PD is paying t to you,
your fellow citizens tax dollars.
You have a lot of room to be talking walfare mamma.
12-08-2004 07:55 PM
duncan Well I figured it was common knowledge since it is osted all

Moderator over this site......
Registered: Jul 2003 so you believe what ever you see on the net? dumb bitch
Posts: 9006 yer husband is a cross dresser now prove me wrong
it is not up to me to prove a negative, you made an assertion now

prove it ya dumb c&nt
site your source for the lie that i'm on welfare and tried to get a job
as a copster.
cops are like all thieves they need to rationalize the theft
he's on welfare so I can do it too wawawawawa
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6d wife Go ahead and name call duncan, thats all your intelligence will allow.
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12-08-2004 09:31 PM
Navigatr1 I feel that this website has potential, but I am saddened by the
Extended Sabatical amount of bashing and flaming that goes on. It certainly distracts
from the topic at hand. Certain members on both sides feel that the
only way to get a point across in a debate is to flame other
members, which is greatly disappointing. Even this thread has
Registered: Jul 2003 turned into a bash fest.
Location:
Posts: 31403 Some of the cops or pro-cops don't like the fact that cops are being
held accountable for their actions in cyberspace. So all they act
childish, and insult the website because they feel the information
posted is no one's business. They don't like the fact that this
information is being collected in one place for everyone to see no
matter how minor the infraction even though it is public information.
People are correct that this website can't hold a Sworn Officer of
the Law directly accountable as we are not Internal Affairs.
However, we can make sure that infractions and crimes are not just
swept under the rug by collecting in one place so that the general
public can read about it.
The irony is that most people in law enforcement feel it's OK to post
other people's information on the web, but whine when it is their
own information being posted. They whine that their information
should be kept private because they are cops, and someone might
abuse it. However, they have no qualms about how the information

they post online is abused because they are just providing a tool.
They argue that it is public information. Well, the information
provided on this website is just a tool also. Like any tool, it can be
used for good or bad. We have no control over how it is used.
As they like to say, if you can't do the time, then don't do the
crime. Too bad cops haven't learned this. Their information isn't
sacred in cyberspace for it is public information once they commit a
crime.
I would like to see law enforcement agencies to use this website as

a starting point when making a decision on a new hire. It is just
another database they can use to see if the prospective hire
committed a crime that may not have resulted in a criminal record.
If they find a news article on that hire, then they can investigate
the incident further when making decisions in the hiring process.
The database is by no means exhaustive, but is a starting point.
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birdie Good points Nav but like you said......the problem on this site is
coming from both sides. When you have two moderators (Tex and
Registered: Nov 2004 Duncan) that attack new and old members with vulgar response
Location: you are bound to get similar responses from those members. I find
Posts: 331 it odd that Duncan wants anyone banned who talks about his
personal information yet has no problem with wifes and kids of
officers being posted.
This site has lost any credibility it may have had to tried to have.
When you have site representives causing as much if not more
trouble than cops/pro police and even trolls then you need to clean
your own house up first. I would suspect if members of all sides
were greated a little better and the flame crap was cut down, both
sides could debate an issue a lot better. The owners have clearly
opened the site to officers and pro police just in the type of forums
they offer. So you invite us all in, act like you may want to bridge a
gap then bash us the moment we say "hello". Take another look at
your welcome forum.....how many of the police side came on, said
hi then got bashed before they could even say a bad thing?
I might just be a nut to you but I know that several of my posts on

this issue are right on target and you know that. Handle your mods
first....then close threads or ban members after two warnings (like
your rules say) regardless of what side the are on. As far as your
database......hope it is accurate as I doubt you would want to be
accused of a crime without it being proven. I have not gotten
through a lot of that database but hope the only cases in there are
those of convicted officers......not just the opinion of someone with
an attitude.
12-09-2004 11:12 AM
Navigatr1 I don't work with the CopWatch side of the database as it requires a
Extended Sabatical separate password to access. So I haven't taken the time to
register with that side of the website. I concentrate mainly on
articles in the news on bad cops or those in law enforcement, and
other related articles.
Location: My impression is that the CopWatch database was designed for a
Posts: 31403 person to be able to file a complaint against an officer. Whether
that complaint is founded or not, or even accurate, is another
question. But it is a place where people can file their grievances
considering some members of some police departments intentially
try to tharwt the grievance process. They do this by either requiring
a special form to be filled out, or refusing to give out the form when
requested.
A person should be able to file a grievance against an officer or

department without be hassled about it. The grievance needs to be
throughly investigated and the appropriate action taken even if it

may be embarassing to the department.
There have been documented cases where Sworn Officers of the

Law have purposely covered up their badge because they didn't
want to be identified for whatever reason. It is against most
departmental policies to do this. They have even given people crap
because they requested to know that officer's identity.
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12-09-2004 11:42 AM
birdie Nav.......I don't disagree with your perspective and LE should not
make it difficult to file a complaint as any industry should not make
Registered: Nov 2004 it difficult. That database is the owners problem......it may come to
Location: bite them or may not.
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These forums are getting very out of hand though. How is it that
two mods (Tex and Duncan) can be so out of control, be vulgar,
change members posts and that be acceptable? I know you have no
control over those two but I am sure you can see that their type of
responses are not helping. To be vulgar, parrot members, re word
members posts is childish and makes this site look stupid especially
coming from moderators. That is far worse than responses from pro
police or even trolls. I have done nothing put play on a website that
allowed this activity and supports it as even their mods act like it.
You want to focus on me.....enjoy.......but this site has some
internal issues to fix that have nothing to do with its members on
either side.
You post as a mature adult.....I may not always agree with you....
put you have never been rude or vulgar. Maybe you should check
out some other police abuse sites that have credibility and be a

mod there.......you may like it better.
12-09-2004 11:55 AM
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GOD COP Oh my. First thoughts of banning me because I post info. that
Senior Member Dumbcan has posted previously and then a threat to some gal who
makes him feel uncomfortable. Dumbcan, I would just ignore the
thread if it pisses you off.
As far as the site holding officers accountable, it may not but I

certainly wouldn't want to be the officer in some of the articles that
Nav posts.
I still beleive that if a cop decides to go the wrong route, he won't

care about a web site. Cops that go bad have little if any integrity.
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Texastwister1 I agree Duncan. Its time for Mona to get off our site once and for
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Mona you are a troll. We are spending too much time fighting you
and the many screen names you continue to use here on copwatch.
Please do yourself a favor. Don't try to brown nose up to Nav. It
only makes you look more and more like the trouble maker we all
know you are. So with this in mind for the last time get hell off our
forum.
12-09-2004 05:39 PM
birdie Tex..........you are an embarassment as a mod as is Duncan. Look

at your childish responses and you also use different usernames....
Registered: Nov 2004 does it make you nervous that I know that?? Just ask Al....anyone
Location: with half a computer brain can find that information....even you. I
Posts: 331 must really upset you and make you nervous. You cannot seem to
ignore me. I am not sucking up to Nav and often do not agree with
him......but he does not act like a fool either. He posts the news
and when he comments, it is with out all the profanity and name
calling. If you and Duncan could lose that part of your posting you
would not have the kind of responses and members responding to
you like this.
You are a mod........if you had the power to ban me......you would
have a very long time ago. The owners have the power to ban me

anytime they want. I have never taken issue with that.....it is not
my problem you don't ignore me or ban me.....its yours. At this
point......the site has lost so much credibility it wouldn't much
matter whether I stayed or not. Around cop sites, anti cop sites,
gov't and anti gov't sites........copwatch has been discussed as a
joke now. I monitor hundreds of various sites.....not just LE and
gov't.......you have a long way to come. And you have no known
reason why I monitor sites.......as far as you know.....I am just a
crazy troll.........I am glad you think that......very glad. So whatever
you want.....you won't hurt my feelings. I know these forums will
be restructured and moved in the next 8 months and I know where
they are going......so if you do ban me........I will see ya next
year....and please......from my heart.......do have a wonderful
holiday.....Unlike you......I am not a hateful person......Good Luck.
12-09-2004 07:18 PM
duncan moan..........you are an embarassment as a person as is godamn

Moderator p*g. Look at your childish responses and you also use different
usernames....does it make you nervous that I know that?? . I must
Registered: Jul 2003 really upset you and make you nervous. You cannot seem to ignore
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado me. I am not sucking up to Nav and often do not agree with him......
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but he does not act like a fool either. He posts the news and when
he comments, it is with out all the profanity and name calling. If
could lose that part of your posting ya dumb bitch you would not
have the kind of responses and members responding to you like
this.
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Texastwister1 Same here Duncan. I don't always agree with Nav. But as a fellow
Senior Member moderator I will back him up nine ways to sunday right or wrong.
All of us moderators are looking out for the best intrest of the
Registered: May 2004 forum and victims of police abuse. Same for you Duncan. You are
Location: moderator of the Arena. I will always back you up as well.
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If we are ever going to fix this site and get the respect copwatch
should have. We have to get rid of the known trouble makers.
Examples- Termite inspector. This guy does not give a rats ass
about this forum. All he does is come here and make smart ass
comments to copwatch moderators and members. He does nothing
for this forum and never will. Same with Mona. Who changes names
every other week.
Victims of police abuse are not here to take smart ass comments
from cops and cop supporters. This is why all the flaming and name
calling starts. They are fighting back. Untill we get rid of these trolls
this site will continue to go down hill.
12-10-2004 12:38 PM
6d wife But repectfully as with all issues, everything should be seen from
Senior Member both sides.
Registered: Sep 2004 I would hope that as long as an alternate veiw or opinion was
Location: Somewhere DC voiced they too, would not be flamed.
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Yes I am pro police, BUT am fully aware there are officers out there
who will get away with, or try to, all sorts of sordid things because
they ARE the police, and this is not a good thing at all. It puts a
blemish on good officers and a stigma on the whole profession.
Agree to disagree, repectfully.
12-10-2004 02:01 PM

Texastwister1 6d can you read? Are you Duncan? I was not talking to you.
Senior Member
Now mind your own business welfare mamma. Go feed the little
Registered: May 2004 p8glets with the money that was stolen from me and my family for
Location: your husbands worthless services.
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Respectfully TT.
12-10-2004 04:45 PM
6d wife Fine, shows how biased you can be.

Senior Member You just dont like me b/c I am pro police.
I am over it, I am here for construcive ideas about how to stop
Registered: Sep 2004 police corruption, and killing them wont solve anything.
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12-10-2004 07:04 PM
duncan But repectfully as with all issues, everything should be seen

Moderator from both sides.
Registered: Jul 2003 then go to a p8g forum ya stupid bitch

Posts: 9006 this forum isn't government property and I don't give flying f*ck
about some nazi's point of view becuase yer fellow swine don't give
a flying f*ck about our point of view
hit the road ya dumb c*nt and go to some other forum where you
can s*ck p8g ****
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6d wife Actually Duncan I have had my IP adress banned from a pro police
Senior Member site b/c they didnt like what I had to say.
So think about that for a few.
Registered: Sep 2004 No, I wont tell you why either.
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12-10-2004 09:32 PM
duncan hit the road bitch

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duncan mona............the owners should be ashamed to allow a stupid bitch

Moderator like you onto our forum. This site is set up to allow for copwatchers
sides to visit and to post........just look at the forums offered and
Registered: Jul 2003 the rules. Yet when copwatcher sides appear......you bash and act
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado like children.
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You have destroyed this site you f*cking cow.........you are the
problem and I bet money if you were gone, most trolls would leave
and the rest would have debates like mature adults and agree to
disagree on subjects.
Isn't it time the owners make an appearence on this site (of course
they do daily and they do post daily...............) and set some
ground rules to rid of us this f*cking troll. Otherwise..........then
ban stupid P8g lovers the moment you find out their position......
period. Cop sites do it to anti police people.....
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duncan Name the place and time mona.........since I do fly, I would be glad
Moderator to fly you to a russian location or to a fascist republic of any kind.
Maybe we can meet over at Al's so that I can fit you into a striaght
Registered: Jul 2003 jacket....Why don't you ask him.
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Navigatr1 Like it or not, boards like this are here to stay because of peoples
Extended Sabatical insistance of publishing offender information on the web. Borrowing
from last weeks Illinois State Supreme Court ruling on the Internet
Sex Offender Registry, and adapting it to this board:
Registered: Jul 2003 "The purpose and the principal effect of posting information about
Location: bad cops on the Internet is to inform the public for its own safety,
Posts: 31403 not to humiliate the officer. Even if the collateral effect of the
Internet posting is to shame the Officer, this effect is the result of
the Officer's crimes. We agree with the state that the right to be
free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment resulting from
crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of
fundamental right contemplated by our constitution."
There you have it folks. Case law from the Illinois State Supreme
Court on why boards like this can exist. Police departments and it's
members may find the information embarassing, but there is
nothing illegal about it. I don't think they realized the Pandora's box
they were opening when they said it was legal to post criminal
information on the web. Some people may see it as bashing;
however, we are merely providing the public with information on
criminal cops in one place.
I know Florida uses DMV records to augment their sex offender

registry, and I believe their career offender registry. So if Florida is
claiming that this is public information because a person was
convicted of a crime, then theoretically a person should be able to
make a public records request to DMV on criminal cops to get their
latest photo and address. Florida has went down a slippery slope.
Indiana posts the social security numbers of convicted sex

offenders and violent criminals on the web as public information.
While I don't condone the posting of social security numbers on the
web, the social security numbers of bad cops must be public
information in Indiana and can be posted on the web.
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6d wife I would sincerely hope, since this legislation is so broadreaching,

Senior Member that it is for Convicted Offenders, whether police or not, the key
word is Convicted. I would hate to see any simply accused persons
Registered: Sep 2004 infomation up for public usgae only to have them exonerated.
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6d wife yeah and most of them are guilty of trying to help out citizens to
Senior Member the best of thier ability.
But the ones that are crooked get the news and the attention, and
Registered: Sep 2004 seem to out number the good ones, I havent figured out the the
Location: Somewhere DC true numbers as of yet, but am working on it.
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12-12-2004 03:45 PM
duncan did we ask for their help?

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can you show us the help?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado how is living off of taxes a help?
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how is f*cking people over helping them?
I don't want or need any help so don't shove it down my throat and
then demand that I pay for it, got it?
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Callahan My opinion of the majority of these posts is nothing more than

Member flaming and bad mouthing police officers. Anyone with half of a
brain knows no one is infallible or perfect. Not those in the medical
Registered: Sep 2004 profession, educational system, law enforcement or any other
Location: chosen field. This world is made up of human beings complete with
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all the fragilities of life.
This'd be a stepford society and not a very interesting existance if

everyone and thing were perfect. The issue remains those who
seem to claim to be moderators et al have an extremely biased
view and acquired a cult like following of adolescents and those
whose views are skewered. There's always posts about how many
police officers are to blame for x,y and z but what about the fire
fighters, E.M.T.'s and others who invoke as many injustices and
take advantage of their positions? Blame? Everyone is at fault at
some point.
The educational has recently seen more than its fair share of
criminal tyoes and so has the fire fighters. The educational system
and those who come into contact with young children, preteens,
adolescents and young dults can be as devastating as the criminal
with a loaded gun. The actually influence and shape the minds of
our future generations. I'm not talking about any physical or sexual
assaults here, I'm going much deeper. This people shape the minds
of our nations youth. If these so called educators foist there
opiniated views on impressionable minds this country is as good as
done. Don't believe this? look around here. Read the posts and
replies.
Soon the U.S.A. due to the extreme liberalism as exhibited and

fostered herein will become the victim of its own undoing and fall
from grace becoming just another third world country. People like
ducan, A. Shemonia, etc., who sympathize, support and promote
the views of these new world terrorists by posting the doctrine by
these poor new world iilegal citizens who are harmless in their eyes,
will become a victim of their own undoing just as those sopporters
of the third reich had.
Keep on believing that laws should not be at all, draw up your own
statistics concerning the events of 9/11 and especially keep on
promoting the obvious islamic propagada film regarding 9/11 and
see where it will get you. You soon will be parking camels and
wearing rags. Keep going. This is bound to happen at this rate.
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Texastwister1 Was that post some kind of a cops prayer?

Senior Member
As far as firefighters, EMTs go. They provide the public with a
Registered: May 2004 needed service. They do the job because of their love for the job.
Location: Not for the money. And yes firefighters do put their lives on the line
Posts: 1744 each and everyday to save lives. Cops take lives. Cops destroy
people lives. True there may be a handfull of dirty firefighters and
EMTs out there. But it is only a very,very small part when one
compares their profession to a cop and cop crime.
For the most part cops are criminals. This has been proven over
and over again. Cops are two faced. They will arrest people for the
very same crimes they and their co-workers commit. They will turn
a blind eye to their fellow cop co-workers crimes, Thus makes them
just as much of a criminal. Just about every cop with every
department has some kind of dirt on one of their fellow cop co-
workers. The kind of dirt that would send them to prison or get
them fired. But yet they continue to cover each others ass like
super glue. This just makes me sick.
Oh, and by the way if you don't like the public school system. Send
your kids to a private school. The only thing is, private schools cost
a very large sum of money. We didn't ask you to take a such
worthless low paying job. Do something about it. Stop pissing and
moaning. Go back to school get your degree, then you will be able
to afford to send your kids off to recieve a top notch education.
As time goes by, the public is getting to where it has very little trust
for the boys and girls in blue. Cop crime just continues to be on the
rise. You swine put this jacket on yourselfs. We didn't do it. We the
public are just going to have to continue to babysit and keep a very
close watch on you copsters. Like I said if you don't like it, go get a
real job.
05-27-2005 10:12 AM
duncan My opinion of the majority of these posts is nothing more than

Moderator flaming and bad mouthing copwatchers. Anyone with half of a brain
knows no one is infallible or perfect. Not those in the medical
Registered: Jul 2003 profession, educational system, civil rights or any other chosen
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado field. This world is made up of human beings complete with all the
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fragilities of life.
But we canot compare the profession of policing to that of other

professions. Do doctors carrys gun used to kill innocent people
while they are on the job? Does any other profession do this? Does
any other profession have the power of the state behind them to kill
people. This p8g is comparing apples to oranges. Are doctors paid
for with tax dollars? Are we paid to be copwatchers by the

taxoayers?
"This'd be a stepford society and not a very interesting existance if

everyone and thing were perfect. The issue remains those who
seem to claim to be moderators et al have an extremely biased
view and acquired a cult like following of adolescents and those
whose views are skewered. There's always posts about how many
police officers are to blame for x,y and z but what about the fire
fighters, E.M.T.'s and others who invoke as many injustices and
take advantage of their positions? Blame? Everyone is at fault at
some point."
But when us other mortals make mistakes do the copsters say "I
realize that you are only human and make mistake so I shall let you
go". Even when people make mistake are they not held accountable
for their actions? Why should the p8gs be any different? Is this
swine suggesting that copsters are above the law and that when
they make mistakes we should look the other way becuase they are
copsters? Do firefighters carry guns and use them to make
msitakes? How about EMT's? Do firefighters beat people up as apart
of their choosen profession? Once agian apples and oranges and
this has nothing to do with the fact that police don't want to be held
accountable for their mistakes.
"The educational has recently seen more than its fair share of
criminal tyoes and so has the fire fighters. The educational system
and those who come into contact with young children, preteens,
adolescents and young dults can be as devastating as the criminal
with a loaded gun."
You mean like Columbine where you copsters killed a few of the
students in your zeal to get the so-called criminal? Columbine
where the police where on the scene at the point the attack began
and did nothing to protect the students from harm but in fact hid
behind their own patrol cars only to be concerend for their own well
being. Is this the criminal element you are talking about p8g? Are
you conceeding the fact that police cannot protect society from
harm and if so then why the f*ck do we need you p8g?
"The actually influence and shape the minds of our future

generations. I'm not talking about any physical or sexual assaults
here, I'm going much deeper. This people shape the minds of our
nations youth. If these so called educators foist there opiniated
views on impressionable minds this country is as good as done.
Don't believe this? look around here. Read the posts and replies."
But don't the cowardly acts of copsters also shpae the young mind
of today? I think so after reading a book writtne by brooks Brown a
fromer student of Columbine who wrote that the last gorup of
people he will ever call for help would be the police as thye will in
all likelyhood kill the victims in their zeal to get the bad guy. Hye
don't take my word for it just look around and tlak to student to see
fi they like or trust copsters like you. most student see you copsters

as criminals and waht you saw a t Coluymbine was reaction to the

way society or people like you treat teenagers. You are the problem
p8g not Harris and Klebold.
"Soon the U.S.A. due to the extreme liberalism as exhibited and

fostered herein will become the victim of its own undoing and fall
from grace becoming just another third world country. People like
ducan, A. Shemonia, etc., who sympathize, support and promote
the views of these new world terrorists by posting the doctrine by
these poor new world iilegal citizens who are harmless in their eyes,
will become a victim of their own undoing just as those sopporters
of the third reich had."
But Columbine was in response to your fascist right wing state p8g
and not the other way around. You are the neo-terrorist p*g, as
you support the terrorism commited by the state towards inncoent
people i.e. Rodney King, Kent State, the Weaver family and Waco.
I'm a conservative compared to you ya commie scum. You are the
one living off taxation just like the liberal scum who wroks for the
department of education and the welfare mom. If you support
conservativism then why are you taking our money p*g? If you
hate copwathcers and the freedoms that we defend then why do
you use our private forum and live off of our wealth?
"Keep on believing that laws should not be at all, draw up your own
statistics concerning the events of 9/11 and especially keep on
promoting the obvious islamic propagada film regarding 9/11 and
see where it will get you. You soon will be parking camels and
wearing rags. Keep going. This is bound to happen at this rate."
But we support the law and the LAW is the Bill of Rights the very
thing you violate, thus you are the law breaker and not us ya
f*cking commie. Yer a traitor p8g and we all know it. You siwre an
oath to uphold the Bill of Rigths and now you violate that oath when
you support the other law breaker and draft dodger Bush.
What does the illegal invasion of another nation have to do with

9/11?
Where have we ever supported Osama?
Bush not only supports the Osama family as he worked to protect

them form harm the day 9/11 occured he fathers regime gave
Saddam millions to kepp this tyrant in power up intil the tyrant
turned in his oil buddies back in 1989. Thus you support a traitro
based on your own postion of supporting terrorist and terrorism.
This is why i wipe my ass with that symbol of fascism and lies. This
why I hate traitors like you p8g.
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05-27-2005 02:53 PM
Darryl Now it is all the liberals fault. Get Real.

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05-28-2005 03:56 AM
Bounty Hunter I have just one question do you guys really believe there aren't any
Senior Member islamic terror cells here awaiting to take action?
Registered: Jul 2004 As far as the above statement by Callahan he's correct. Each day in
Location: U.S.A. every state there have many more dirty fire fighters, E.M.T.'s,
Posts: 189 teachers clergy and other professionals exposed. There a myriad of
charges ranging from but not limited to assault(including sexual
assault), pedophilia, drug use and abuse, extortion, etc.
Love of a job doesn't male anyone more saintly or innocent. Get a

grip on life will you. All the gibberish you're ranting about not being
paid for copwatching is a hoot.All anyone of you who say they're
copwatchers do is bellyache. Posting news blurbs from around the
country in the name of exposing dirty cops or injustices of the law
serves what purpose? Where has anyone taken action to right any
wrongs?
Any poster who tries to conduct a sensible discussion is bombarded

bya bunch of stupid childish gibberish. Speaking of flaming its you
who does the flaming trying to incite anyone who disagrees with
your views. I love it when some posters ignore the hell out of you
and your lancemen then you go nuts. Rave on.

05-28-2005 06:59 AM
Navigatr1 Bounty Hunter wrote:

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quote:
Registered: Jul 2003 Posting news blurbs from around the country in the
Location: name of exposing dirty cops or injustices of the law
Posts: 31403 serves what purpose? Where has anyone taken action
to right any wrongs?
Posting news blurbs in one place can help people see the extent of
the problem. What I post is only the tip of the iceberg as I don't
read every news source. Nor does every dirty cop's story end up in
the news media. Moreover, some media sources don't have content
online, so we don't see these stories. I wish more people would
participate in the news forums to help expose the dirty cops.
Action can be taken once people see the extent of the problem
rather than having it just swept under the rug. Internal Affairs was
developed in the 1970's to help restore public confidence in law
enforcement, but they are doing a poor job. Heck, one Sheriff
Department in Michigan handles all complaints informally, and does
not have a formal complaint process. You can read about it in the
Michigan news section.
--Navigatr1
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05-28-2005 10:23 AM

duncan I have some questions for you p*g.

Moderator
Why did you decide to be a socialist who lives off of the wealth of
Registered: Jul 2003 others?
Posts: 9006 Why are you here since you hate freedom and freedom fighters and
according to a fool like you we only post gibberish?
Why do you come here to terrorize us with your idol threats of

violence?
Why do you support a draft dodger like Bush? Which is odd

considering the fact that you and most of your ilk opposed Komrade
Klinton over the very same thing.
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05-28-2005 10:26 AM
Navigatr1 Bounty Hunter wrote:

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quote:
Registered: Jul 2003 As far as the above statement by Callahan he's correct.
Location: Each day in every state there have many more dirty
Posts: 31403 fire fighters, E.M.T.'s, teachers clergy and other
professionals exposed. There a myriad of charges
ranging from but not limited to assault(including sexual
assault), pedophilia, drug use and abuse, extortion,
etc.

Both of you are absolutely correct, and if you want to start your
own discussion board on criminals in these professions, go ahead.
However, this board is mainly concerned with dirty cops. We do list
some firefighters, lawyers, judges, and politicians too. I think it's
funny how cops whine about their criminal pasts being exposed on
the Internet when they themselves advocated certain groups of ex-
convicts should have their criminal pasts exposed on the Internet.
Some of the whiners have even posted details of certain members
of this board in an effort to discredit them. You, who are sworn
officers of the law, really need to stop your whining for your own
fellow cops are the ones who made your profession look bad. You
should not have advocated posting criminal information on the web
for now it is biting you in the butt.
--Navigatr1
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05-28-2005 12:03 PM
duncan thus the very reason these criminal copsters on this forum in
Moderator attempt to shut it down and to date they have failed in their febble
attempts.
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05-28-2005 12:27 PM
Navigatr1 One thing I have noticed is if you voice dissent against law
Extended Sabatical enforcement, you get accused of bashing the police for that dissent.
You also get accused of being some sort of criminal. Why else
would you be voicing dissent against these people wearing badges
who are sworn to protect us? If law enforcement does anything
Registered: Jul 2003 wrong, their crimes get minimized as just being human. However,
Location: everyone else who commits a crime are monsters, and not human.
Posts: 31403
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Navigatr1 I think you are correct duncan, all the whining that we are hearing
Extended Sabatical are from criminal cops who don't like having their information
posted. If they didn't want their information posted, then they
should have thought of that before they committed their crime.
Registered: Jul 2003 --Navigatr1

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06-05-2005 12:09 PM
navyfiveo quote:
Senior Member
Location: A police officer is wanting an arrest. A police
Posts: 164 officer wants to put a person in jail. A police
officer wants to file charges against the suspect.
I invite all of you...With the exception of a few to ride along with a

police officer one night. no matter how much you hate them or
think they are all criminals. One night is all it would take to see this
statement is not true. With most cops anyhow. Not saying Tex is
wrong in making this statement, it is just the unfortunate
misconception of tons of people. If you have ever see or been
hauled off to jail yourself, you see all of the paperwork it takes and
how time consuming it can be to book one subject. If there is any
way possible I can keep from going to the jail, I will go that route.
Most of us do the job because we want to make a difference. I am a
volunteer firefighter because when a house catches on fire, I don't
want the person to loose their house. I am a medic because when
someone gets hurt I want to be able to stop the pain and I am a
police officer because I don't want someone taking what is not

theirs or a husband or wife beating on their spouse or another

person getting killed because someone decided they could drive a
car home drunk.
You didn't hear me whinning and complaining about my information

being posted on this site as I am not a criminal and have nothing to
worry about.
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07-05-2005 12:49 PM
duncan Why do a ride along?

Moderator
If you do the copsters will simply put on a good show just for you.
Registered: Jul 2003 Any and all calls will be directed to the copster doing the ride along
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado all for the benefit of using this as a PR ploy to make the taxpayer
Posts: 9006 think that copsters really do something.
Yer whining now and this is the reason you are a forum were no
one wants you. Why compare a fascist profession like yours to the
ones that actually save lives? This is like comparing apples to
oranges and the same ole crap you swine use all of the time when
cornered.
You whined to your CO after you posted my grnadmothers personal

info. You whined when we asked what servcie did you possibly
provide our free society while harassing us on our forum. You
whined when we asked why you helped to invade another nation by
means of violence and coercion and in the process you helped to kill
thousands upon thousands of innocent people, who did nothing to
you or the american people.
Copster like you come from all over the nation to whine to us about
how we really need them, yet all they can offer us are false appeals
to emotion and pity.
Ask your self these questions p8g did we ever asked for your
service? Were we ever asked if we wanted your service? Do we ever
have any say in the workings of police? Were you providing us with
any kind of service when you posted my grandmothers home
address and phone number?
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07-05-2005 04:09 PM
Papermoon quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by Darryl
I agree with GODs cops comment too. All bad
people or crimmals who do wrong should have
Registered: Aug 2005 their butts busted, not just cops.
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 13
But "bad cops" are not just bad people. They have been given a
position that allows them to excert authority and power over
others. That makes them dangerous. Not just to the welfare and
safety of the people they are suppose to be serving and protecting
but it is dangerous also because it breaks down trust in a
community, causes division and disunity, and eats away at the
structure that is suppose to hold a society together. It is dangerous
to their fellow cops because now they become viewed with
suspiscion and mistrust when they try to do their job and it alters
the reactions they will get from the civilians they work with and
puts them at greater risk on the job. Add to that the fact that not
only do they have power and authority but they are a distinct group
that at one time people held in high esteem and gave credibility to.
Their word was "held above" the word of the common Joe. And that
belief is still etched into the minds of some of (the mindless)
general population today which makes them even MORE dangerous.
Accountability? I don't think discussing or posting info holds anyone

accountable. Accountability includes accepting the consequences of
the behavior and there are little consequences dealt out.
And... I voted "both". But a forum where everyone thinks the same
would not generate lively discussion and would be boring. Even
though I disagree with some of the posts, I am thankful we (still)
have the right to express our views and I don't take that right for

granted.
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08-26-2005 01:13 AM
JmE Duncan, are you a man?

Senior Member
I voted both.
I am glad this site exists.

Location: Directly behind you Personally, I do not like LE in general. I have had some bad
Posts: 861 experiences, however, I politically do not agree with the way law
enforcement is handled in this country. I believe this website does
indeed hold LE accountable and provides and excellent source of
news.
On the other hand, I think far too much bashing and childish
behavior goes on here.
I tend to try to discuss things reasonably with people, especially

with those I do not share the same viewpoint. If it appears that a
reasonable exchange can not be made, I usually stop responding to
the poster.
Duncan, however, made an accusation about me. I gave him the

information necessary to correct this information. He has deleted
my perfectly acceptable posts and has failed to correct his mistake
or even respond.
The examples in my case:
I posted in this thread http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...

&threadid=10120
quote:
JmE: Please clarify some facts!

Was the information on WAIF or was it on WAIS????
Facts are kind of important!
I suspect that it was WAIS and not WAIF. Would the OP

please clarify this for me?

A link to the article itself (if possible) would be more

useful than the link the OP provided.
AM 770 is WAIS licensed by Nelsonville TV Cable, Inc

and is listed in Buchtel.
WAIF is FM 88.3 licensed by The Real Stepchild Radio of

Cincinnati, Inc. When I was around the station, it was
in Cincinnati.
They share the frequency with WJVS licensed by Great
Oaks Joint Vocational School District. When I went to
Scarlet Oaks JVS the station (WJVS) was located in
Sharonville.
I killed time at both stations a few decades ago.
WAIF's website can be found here
Information on Ohio radio stations can be found here
As a side note:
I just recently lived in a small coke/crack town near

Nelsonville and that area that was a MAJOR highway for
the stuff from Columbus to points in the eastern US.
Drugs appeared to play a big role in many officials lives
and that of their families out there. The local LE is a
crooked as it gets IMO. The FBI or DEA won't do diddly
squat about any of it out there.
quote:
Duncan: send god slops aka Jme crap to my arena
quote:
JmE: Umm... excuse me, but how do you figure I am

anyone other than whom I am? Ask A. Shemonia, he
knows how to know all about me and can call and talk
to me on the telephone.
I just happen to be born and raised in Cincinnati and

wanted to clear up if it was WAIF or WAIS. I also lived
in the hills around Nelsonville a few years past and
made a comment about how corrupt I felt local LE was
in those parts.

What problem could you possibly have with THAT

Duncan?
I emailed Al to let him know that my username is my initials and I

use it all over the web in forums. Additionally, I let him know that
my email address is my own domain and a lookup will show my full
name, address, and phone number. I encouraged him to call and
talk to me so that he and Duncan could know that I have no
connection nor am I LE. All I asked is that my personal information
not be posted (obviously). Al has been great and I have not had
one problem with him whatsoever. Indeed, I enjoy posting back
and forth with him.
I emailed or posted to Duncan the same info with absolutely no

reply.
I am all over the stinking web, I am hiding from no one and it is not
difficult at all to find out about me.
I then posted a thread in the Arena letting Duncan know I was

there (per his 'request') and asking what he wanted. Someone
(perhaps Observer3) pointed out that Duncan had done some very
patriotic things regarding firearms carry. I responded that I believe
that it was Duncan's actions I had been defending in my patriot
groups at the time of his protest and arrest (they felt he was too
'radical' at the time and I thought he was brave and right on
target). I responded that I too admired what Duncan had done.
The thread got deleted!
In addition, I posted in http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...

&threadid=10513 with a good link to a police crime website. Until
Observer3 had replied back with a thanks for the good link, I did
not realize that my post(s) had beed deleted again!
I emailed Duncan again and still have not gotten a reply. He types a
WHOLE lot about cowards, but he needs to be a man and stop
accusing me of being someone I am not and deleting my posts. An
apology would even be nice, but not necessary.
I have lost ALL respect for this man that I once naively saw
as heroic. He has made the accusation and he has yet to be man
enough to correct his mistake(s).
09-19-2005 07:20 AM

Navigatr1 Out of 40 votes since this poll has been running, 7 (17.50%) people
Extended Sabatical voted that it holds cops accountable, 17 (42.50%) voted it bashes
cops, 14 (35.00%) voted it does both, and 2 (5.00%) are unsure.
The poll was started on 02-06-2004 08:45 PM.
Registered: Jul 2003 Out of 1,684 members to this website, only 40 people responded to
Location: the poll. Generally more people feel that it bashes cops, while a
Posts: 31403 slightly smaller number feel that it both holds cops accountable and
bashes them.
After reading my old posts in this thread, I am still saddened by the

amount of bashing and flaming that goes on. The site has had its
share of trolls too. One person was spamming the website for
awhile, and I did what I could to minimize the damage.
While this website can't hold a cop accountable per se, it can
highlight the extent of the problem. I still believe that what we see
in the media is only the tip of the ice berg as far as police abuse
goes.
I would like to see more members participate in the forums. More

probably would if there wasn't as much flaming and bashing going
on.
Some distractors to the site say that posting news stories about bad
cops is bashing all cops. However, we are only the messenger. It is
the cops who committed that crimes who make the profession look
bad. If cops were appropriately punished rather than receiving a
slap on the wrist in most cases, there would be no need for a
website such as this. Some departments try to cover up crimes by
fellow officers because they don't want it to hit the media. They fear
the bad publicity that it would generate.
--Navigatr1
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09-19-2005 11:59 AM
GC Marciano Hey Duncan: JmE is not Godslop, nor is he a police officer or

Copwatcher Extraordinaire other agent of the State.
He's a good guy.
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09-19-2005 01:33 PM
L.E. Hero Duncan, shame on you.

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09-19-2005 03:56 PM
duncan godlsop this is not the ask a cop section, this the ask the taxpayers
Moderator what they think about copscum section.
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09-19-2005 05:23 PM
JmE quote:
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Hey Duncan: JmE is not Godslop, nor is he a
police officer or other agent of the State.
Location: Directly behind you He's a good guy.
Posts: 861
Thanks!
09-19-2005 07:30 PM
JmE Please don't, my post was not about you.

Senior Member
quote:
Originally posted by L.E. Hero

Registered: Aug 2005 Duncan, shame on you.
Location: Directly behind you
Posts: 861
I am reasonable and like discussing issues, news, etc with people

(not necessarily arguing or debating) and you and I have not so far
had any problems.
Please don't bait Duncan in and turn this thread super-ugly. I am

asking you nicely to just let it go L.E. Hero. This is not about ego.
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quote:
Originally posted by Navigatr1

Registered: Aug 2005 I would like to see more members participate in
Location: Directly behind you the forums. More probably would if there wasn't
Posts: 861
as much flaming and bashing going on.
--Navigatr1
My follow:
My impression was the same as quoted soon after I registered here.

IMO, many more would register and participate if the flaming (wild
accusations, 'shut up because you are a p*g', 'p*g sucker', etc)
reduced some. I don't necessarily think bashing LE in general and
those that are being reported on should ever go away from
Copwatch. I think this aspect is a vital part of what copwatch is and
SHOULD be. Just look at the pro-LEO sites. They make me sick
(violent, anti-individual freedom, pro-'police state',etc) and is what
drew me to Copwatch.
I don't think posting news about LE/cops/SOL, etc is bashing them

at all. Also, not liking LE at all or even hating LE and posting
opinions is not bashing cops. Actually, IMHO, the bashing cops is
not necessarily a bad thing as this is Copwatch. Any LEO/SOL that
registers here should expect a big dose of cop bashing but they
should not expect constant personal flames about any and
everything they post (unless, of course, they are in the database as
an offending LEO).
I have found elsewhere on the web, however, that flaming and out
of control personal bashing of LE results in no real discussion at all.
It just seems to drive away the people that have not had 'as bad' of
an experience or experiences with LE away from the forum. It also
does not get the point across to the masses that some of us do not
want nor do we need such LE protection. Those 'uninitiated'
members of society just will not understand our dislike for LE by
reading through the discussions. It will just make many seem like
rabid zealots to be ignored. This would be a disservice, IMO, to our
society.
I used to hate (and I 'hate' very few things) LE. I am getting there
again but currently absolutely dislike LE. Fortunately or
unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, I am mellowing. I
still don't like LE, but my approach on the web is different. My
approach in person is still the same... I assert my rights and do not
give an inch.

By my own admission, if I did not live in the area I do, with the
county sheriff we have, I would likely be on here ranting, raving,
flaming, and using every **** in the book about LE. Currently, this
county is fortunate in having closet constitutionalists/Libertarians/
patriots as sheriff, prosecutor, etc.
Even so, I would still like to see the LE system dramatically

changed or dismantled all together... it is just the heat is not as
high here for me now. I hope this makes sense to at least someone
reading it.
09-19-2005 08:12 PM
umlungosa Nice to see common sense break out,

Senior Member
There is absolutely nothing wrong with posting news stories about
Registered: Aug 2004 bad police, hopefully it brings the problems into the light and
Location: contributes to those who have strayed been brought to justice.
Posts: 152
While reforming the police would be a good thing, I think the more
immediate concern would be prison reform. Prisons don’t help; the
world needs to find a better alternative.
Pressure should also be put on politicians and the relevant

lawmakers to ensure that crooked cops receive their just deserts
and not just a limp slap on the wrist
09-20-2005 03:43 AM
cyclicdude Ohkay! I have been a lurker here for a long time, and I have been
Junior Member waiting for a good place for a first post, and I think this may be it.
Why have I waited so long to post you ask? Because of the flaming.
Registered: Aug 2005 The bashing, the relentless and seemingly endless personal attacks.
Location: This website, this movement, could be HUGE in terms of educating
Posts: 6
people-- both supporters of law enforcement, and opponents. I
have to ask though: How is this site helping? The flaming seems to
completely outweigh any positive aspects. I think it's great that the
news reports of bad cops, etc are posted. I've never seen any of
the supporters of LE say that it is bad. It just seems that every
topic, this one included to a certain extent, results in insane name
calling and bashing. I know from personal experience that if
someone comes to his site for advice, or to just learn something on
the subject of "copwatching", their original question turns into an
area for threats, insults, etc etc. It's a huge turnoff for people that
want to help to make a change. So, I will most likely get killed here
since I am not coming out and saying that I hate cops, but that's
the way it is. It just seems to me that the head honchos here might
like some good to come from all of their work---I'm just curious to

see what it is!
11-10-2005 05:53 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by cyclicdude
Ohkay! I have been a lurker here for a long
time, and I have been waiting for a good place
for a first post, and I think this may be it. Why
have I waited so long to post you ask?
Because of the flaming. The bashing, the
relentless and seemingly endless personal
attacks.
Posts: 9967
Wrong. The first post you submitted under the cyclicdude name
is Tampa Sheriff and A.B.T. out of control (Hey, do you have a
brother named Darryl?) and you have posted under other
names also.
If you don't like how the forums are run, you are strongly
encouraged to create your own forums and operate them how
you see fit.
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duncan Of course he's a p*g why else would he spend sooo much time
Moderator lurking on a forum he hates.
Registered: Jul 2003 Why would the p*g ignore the perosnal attacks posted here by his
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado fellow p*gs unless he was another p8g with a p8g agenda?
Posts: 9006
"I know from personal experience that if someone comes to his site
for advice, or to just learn something on the subject of
"copwatching", their original question turns into an area for threats,
insults, etc etc."
Funny how the cop never directs us as to were this occured on the
forum. No links or quotes ummmm and me thinks he doth protest
to much.
If our forum sucks so bad then why are you here? There are plenty
of other forums and websites around to suit your tastes, so why
come to this one in a febble attmept to decieve the reader and try
to control the content?
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11-10-2005 07:20 PM

cyclicdude Wow! I never expected you two to comment negatively. No, really.
Junior Member Did my post somehow ring true to you? I haven't seen any cops
bashing my post, just yours. Hmmmmm.....and if anyone is
Registered: Aug 2005 attempting to control content, it's you two and a few others. You
Location: think the cops are the (attempted) bullies here? Seems that your
Posts: 6
anger and inability to manipulate the system has dulled your sense
of reality...
Oh, I almost forgot. Funny how if a poster does not jump on your
band wagon of LE hatred, they must be a cop. Way to win
supporters! Good job...
11-11-2005 12:22 PM
GC Marciano quote:
I never expected you two to comment
negatively.
I didn't comment negatively. I simply pointed out that you are a

liar, then in response to your bitching about the forums I
encouraged you to create your own forums and operate them
as you see fit.
Posts: 9967
Of course we wouldn't expect anything less that blatant lies
from a pig-lover.
You have been a regular here for quite some time now. Don't
try playing the "innocent new guy" game.
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11-11-2005 12:51 PM
cyclicdude Yep, no since of reality. Not negative? Have you ever actually read
Junior Member any of your posts? Here's a suggestion: get off the computer for
awhile. Go outside, take a walk. Get some fresh air. Relax. Get real.
Registered: Aug 2005 Now, isn't that better?
Location:
Posts: 6
11-11-2005 10:40 PM
GC Marciano Looks like I upset you by letting everybody know that you are
Copwatcher Extraordinaire not a new poster as you claimed, but that you are in fact just
another pig lover and liar. We have found that most pig lovers
get upset when they are exposed as liars.
So tell me... what was the point of your lies? What were you
trying to accomplish by claiming that you are new here?
Did you think that since you had already been exposed as a liar
you could start new with a new name and garner some
Registered: Jul 2003 credibility?
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Navigatr1 Moderator Note:

Extended Sabatical Enough bashing everyone. Let's get back to the topic at hand. The
point of this poll was not for one poster to bash another poster.
Only serves to prove that this site bashes cops and whoever
remotely advocates for them.
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11-12-2005 12:14 AM
GC Marciano Fair enough.

I'd still like to know why he lied, but I guess it's not really
necessary. It should be expected.
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11-12-2005 01:02 AM
dish I came here with the idea that I could get mostly fair and impartial
Member information from the general public. What I found is a bunch of
whiney, fruit loops who just sit behind the computer screen and
Registered: Jan 2006 b*tch, while attacking anyone here who does not completely agree
Location: michigan with them. There have been 3 or 4 who seem interested in
Posts: 47
exchanging information. You complain because you don't get your
"say" on the police websites, but you won't offer us the olive branch
you wish you got on our sites.
My short experience in general shows this site to be nothing more

than a laughable arena for those who are too afraid to go out and
make ANY difference in the world. By 'any' I am mean on either
side of the fence. If you wish REAL change, the only way to
accomplish this is to open communications. Otherwise, you are
nothing more than that which you dispise, cowards.
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01-13-2006 03:43 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by dish
Registered: Jul 2004 I came here with the idea that I could get mostly
Location: fair and impartial information from the general
Posts: 2869 public. What I found is a bunch of whiney, fruit
loops who just sit behind the computer screen
and b*tch, while attacking anyone here who does
not completely agree with them. There have been
3 or 4 who seem interested in exchanging
information. You complain because you don't get
your "say" on the police websites, but you won't
offer us the olive branch you wish you got on our
sites.
My short experience in general shows this site to

be nothing more than a laughable arena for those
who are too afraid to go out and make ANY
difference in the world. By 'any' I am mean on
either side of the fence. If you wish REAL change,
the only way to accomplish this is to open
communications. Otherwise, you are nothing
more than that which you dispise, cowards.
Well you came here for the wrong reason. This site ONLY PROVES
that cops are criminals. They rape, steal, hurt, and murder innocent
people while stealing tax payers dollars.

You havent been here long enough to see that this site has proven
its premis hundreds of times over.
Since you lack the will to research this easily understood concept, I
guess you should just go back to your other sites and spend your
time with them.
You and your fraud are of no value here.
By the way I went through the police academy, have a 2 year

degree in criminal justice and worked in the probation office for
over a year. I gave it up in disgust how they treated people
including how the government treats its own.
15 years later my family got swatted for no reason, while the cops
let the real criminals get away.
Now you can go back and lick the boots of your true savior the
state and the police.
We dont lick boots here.
While your down there licking boots why dont you re-read, or read
for the first time the Constitution that you took an oath to.
Remember the one you violate.
I know you think the Constitution is "fruit loopy" but this site
honors it.
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dish, its another mona.
Last edited by xtratabasco on 01-13-2006 at 04:39 AM
01-13-2006 04:28 AM
dish Never have I been less afraid of a group of people. Your reply to my
Member post only serves to solidify my argument.
Registered: Jan 2006 Report this post to a moderator |

Location: michigan
Posts: 47
01-13-2006 05:40 AM

JmE Actually, I think Xtra's post was for the most part right on the
Senior Member money and fair enough.
Does 'cop bashing' go on quite a bit here? Sure, however, go over

to occifer.com and if you do not vomit on your own keyboard,
Registered: Aug 2005 chances are you do not understand inalienable individual rights.
Location: Directly behind you (This is in no way to be read as a slam of anything other than the
Posts: 861 'LE mentality' that manifests itself all to often on occifer.com.)
Most innocent persons that have had more than a few contacts with
LE probably understand this site and it's 'flavor' better than anyone.
IMHO, your reply was terse and off-base.
Edited to add: (I just noticed the 'mona' part. I would recommend

ignoring that part.)
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01-13-2006 11:08 AM
GC Marciano Dear Dish:

You commented about people bitching here, yet after reading
through your posts it appears that is all you know how to do.
If you don't like the forums, feel free to leave. I doubt anybody
will miss you.
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xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by JmE
Registered: Jul 2004 Actually, I think Xtra's post was for the most part
Location: right on the money and fair enough.
Posts: 2869
Does 'cop bashing' go on quite a bit here? Sure,
however, go over to occifer.com and if you do not
vomit on your own keyboard, chances are you do
not understand inalienable individual rights. (This
is in no way to be read as a slam of anything
other than the 'LE mentality' that manifests itself
all to often on occifer.com.)
Most innocent persons that have had more than a

few contacts with LE probably understand this
site and it's 'flavor' better than anyone.
IMHO, your reply was terse and off-base.
Edited to add: (I just noticed the 'mona' part. I

would recommend ignoring that part.)
Every couple of months a "new" member joins and humbly tries to

have a new kind of understanding using reason and paltitudes. this
person is mona or birdie or pastor or monaliveson or jello and half a
dozen more names. she/he/it tries to show that there is no need for
hate. she claims to have been raped by cops yet still loves them all.
and now we have "dish"
her game is always the same, she just uses a different name.

01-13-2006 11:49 AM
duncan I came here with the idea that I could get mostly fair and
Moderator impartial information from the general public.
Registered: Jul 2003 You're getting what you copsters give to the public. How does it feel
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado to be treated the way your ilk treats the public?
Posts: 9006
Here is my input to you and no doubt you will ignore it.
1. Stop living off of our wealth.
2. Obey the Bill or Rights in its entirety.
3. Don't kill us when we refuse your service.
4. Don't kill us when we refuse to pay for your unwanted service.
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01-13-2006 12:00 PM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
Never have I been less afraid of a group of
people. Your reply to my post only serves to
Registered: Aug 2005 solidify my argument.
Posts: 861
I just really noticed this in your previous quote:
quote:

You complain because you don't get your "say" on the
police websites, but you won't offer us the olive branch
you wish you got on our sites.
So I can now safely assume you are LE, yes?
As such, please allow me to address the quote at the beginning of

this message in a general and concise manner.
LE should not necessarily fear us, but they absolutely *must*

respect us (We the People). It is when they stop respecting us that
they *should* fear us.
Calling a segment of us (We the People) 'a bunch of whiney, fruit

loops ' is not respecting us so perhaps LE should change its ways
and their information being public is not such a bad thing.
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GC Marciano Check out the new URL of a website that perfectly describes it's
Copwatcher Extraordinaire content:
www.whinypigs.be
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dish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2006 I just really noticed this in your previous quote:
Location: michigan
Posts: 47 So I can now safely assume you are LE, yes?
As such, please allow me to address the quote at

the beginning of this message in a general and
concise manner.
LE should not necessarily fear us, but they

absolutely *must* respect us (We the People). It
is when they stop respecting us that they
*should* fear us.
Calling a segment of us (We the People) 'a bunch

of whiney, fruit loops ' is not respecting us so
perhaps LE should change its ways and their
information being public is not such a bad thing.
JmE;
This is one of the most well thought out statements in this site.
Nobody on this entire site stated they didn't respect the We The
People group. However, I don't think the police, government, or any
agency of the government will ever fear, for any reason, the people
posting on this site. The reason? There is no real cohesion within
your own movement (anarchist). Without said cohesion, there is no
real movement. Comprendo?
True anarchists have a mission. What is the mission of this site? To

simply sit by and WATCH as bad cops take over? That is exactly
what you are accomplishing here, and nothing else. I do agree that
you need to get out from behind the computer and actually WATCH
cops do their jobs. Then, and only then, will you be able to affect
real change. NOBODY wants bad cops on the street, running our
police departments, and working with our children. And I have a
bad one for you all-
Former Chief Mark W. Hunter
Columbia Township Police, Jackson county, Mi
Jackson Citizen Patriot
There are bad cops out there. We dislike them as much as you all.
This is the face of the bad cops.
Former PSO Kyle Chaney
Albion Public Safety, Calhoun county, Mi
They make my job harder to defend to you guys.
Also- if our information being made public isn't such a bad thing,

then I suggest we be allowed to post yours as well. Tit-for-Tat.
01-15-2006 01:32 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 JmE;
Location: This is one of the most well thought out
Posts: 2869 statements in this site.
Nobody on this entire site stated they didn't
respect the We The People group. However, I
don't think the police, government, or any agency
of the government will ever fear, for any reason,
the people posting on this site. The reason? There
is no real cohesion within your own movement
(anarchist). Without said cohesion, there is no
True anarchists have a mission. What is the

mission of this site? To simply sit by and WATCH
as bad cops take over? That is exactly what you
are accomplishing here, and nothing else. I do
agree that you need to get out from behind the
computer and actually WATCH cops do their jobs.
Then, and only then, will you be able to affect real
change. NOBODY wants bad cops on the street,
running our police departments, and working
with our children. And I have a bad one for you
all-
There are bad cops out there. We dislike them as

much as you all. This is the face of the bad cops.
Also- if our information being made public isn't

such a bad thing, then I suggest we be allowed to
post yours as well. Tit-for-Tat.
Your so wrong.

You havent been on this site long enough to post that.
Duncan has helped bring cop murderers that were not charged to
now run like pussies, lose their jobs and be locked up.
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...=&threadid=9853
He has also helped plant the seeds of information that always bring
down tyranical governments in the long run, after the boot lickers
are all sick on diets of turds and vomit from their masters.
01-15-2006 01:49 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
JmE;
This is one of the most well thought out
Registered: Aug 2005 statements in this site.
Location: Directly behind you Nobody on this entire site stated they didn't
Posts: 861 respect the We The People group. However, I
don't think the police, government, or any agency
of the government will ever fear, for any reason,
the people posting on this site. The reason? There
is no real cohesion within your own movement
(anarchist). Without said cohesion, there is no
True anarchists have a mission. What is the

mission of this site? To simply sit by and WATCH
as bad cops take over? That is exactly what you
are accomplishing here, and nothing else. I do
agree that you need to get out from behind the
computer and actually WATCH cops do their jobs.
Then, and only then, will you be able to affect real
change. NOBODY wants bad cops on the street,
running our police departments, and working
with our children. And I have a bad one for you
all-
There are bad cops out there. We dislike them as


Also- if our information being made public isn't

such a bad thing, then I suggest we be allowed to
post yours as well. Tit-for-Tat.
Thank you for the compliment.
Take it for what it is worth, however... there are many well trained
groups in this country (many former and current military) that are
well equipped and trained to reign in a tyrannical government. This
I have seen with my own eyes.
As for my personal information; I am not a SOL therefore my

information is private. I AM a private citizen and do not recieve
taxpayer money to make a living.
My personal information (for your personal satisfaction) is publicly

available. I use my username (JmE) all over the web. It happens to
be my initials. Check out the tech sites and the firearm related sites
and you can find all about me. Additionally, my email address is my
own domain so a simple whois will show my full name, address, and
telephone number.
However, bear in mind that if you post one shred of my

personal information in a public forum you may be subject to
legal action. I value my privicay as a private citizen and expressly
do NOT give permission to post my private information on
any public forum or in any other form.
So, for your own information, please feel free to find out all you
want about me, just don't post it otherwise you do so at your
own legal peril.
Clear enough?
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01-15-2006 01:57 AM
dish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2006 Thank you for the compliment.
Location: michigan
Posts: 47 Take it for what it is worth, however... there are
many well trained groups in this country (many
former and current military) that are well
equipped and trained to reign in a tyrannical
government. This I have seen with my own eyes.
As for my personal information; I am not a SOL

therefore my information is private. I AM a
private citizen and do not recieve taxpayer money
to make a living.
My personal information (for your personal

satisfaction) is publicly available. I use my
username (JmE) all over the web. It happens to
be my initials. Check out the tech sites and the
firearm related sites and you can find all about
me. Additionally, my email address is my own
domain so a simple whois will show my full name,
address, and telephone number.
However, bear in mind that if you post one shred

of my personal information in a public forum you
may be subject to legal action. I value my privicay
as a private citizen and expressly do NOT give
permission to post my private information on any
public forum or in any other form.
So, for your own information, please feel free to

find out all you want about me, just don't post it
otherwise you do so at your own legal peril.
Clear enough?
Actually, there is no peril here. And I'll tell you why. If you own a
home, it is likely your city/township/county or where ever you live
have the property listed in their completely PUBLIC website.
Therefore, if it is listed there, it is public and can be referred to
anytime I wish. That is a fact of life. My comment was only a small

jab, and you started with threats of legal action and so on. Now you
see how we feel about it. Just because I get a pay check does not
make me on a par with elected politicians. Who, by the way, have
their info public in Michigan.
01-15-2006 02:11 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
Actually, there is no peril here. And I'll tell you
why. If you own a home, it is likely your city/
Registered: Aug 2005 township/county or where ever you live have the
Location: Directly behind you property listed in their completely PUBLIC
Posts: 861 website. Therefore, if it is listed there, it is public
and can be referred to anytime I wish. That is a
fact of life. My comment was only a small jab, and
you started with threats of legal action and so on.
Now you see how we feel about it. Just because I
get a pay check does not make me on a par with
elected politicians. Who, by the way, have their
info public in Michigan.
Please re-read. I made no threats. I gave proper legal notice.
Information available on government websites are often

accompanied by warnings against publicly posting the information
elsewhere. If they are missing said warning, that is their problem
and a potential problem for anyone that posts said information in a
public forum.
My previous post was not a threat, but simply a legal notice that I
am prepared and able to follow through to the end legal result.
(hint: This would not be the first time. )
Jab away if you wish Dish, however you are out matched son.
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01-15-2006 02:19 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Location:
Posts: 2869 There are bad cops out there. We dislike them as
And what a disgraceful job you do.
But remember we dont want or need your criminal services, but

you force it upon all people esp. the people that believe in Freedom
and the Constituion and Bill of Rights.
You hate us (citizens who love Freedom) and take your rage out
against innocent people esp. those that cant defend themselfs like
old people and 12 year old girls jay-walking or doing cart wheels, or
boys riding bikes in the parking lots of cops, or tasing an 85 year
old vet for not pulling over fast enough. Or the pregnant woman
who was talking to loud on her cell phone, or the old woman you
tased who just wanted to find out if her friend was ok at the nursing
home, you tase high school girls over and over with a smile, you
kick the eye ball out of an old woman who wouldnt keep her yard
clean, you arrest 3,4,5, 8, 10 year olds and take them to adult jails
because your masters said so. You dont know how to use common
sense only abuse and enslavement.....it goes on and on
You fucqs dont miss a beat.
But the table is turning.
I love the slow moving clock, it means more black powder.

01-15-2006 02:39 AM
dish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2006 Thank you for the compliment.
Location: michigan
Posts: 47 Take it for what it is worth, however... there are
many well trained groups in this country (many
former and current military) that are well
equipped and trained to reign in a tyrannical
government. This I have seen with my own
eyes.
My compliment was meant with real conviction.

If there are groups ready, willing, and supposedly able to take
down this government, why haven't they? This is an honest
question not meant to start an argument.
I believe in many of the things the militias believe, freedom of
speech, freedom of the press, rights to keep and bear arms, etc.
How do we know when the government has reached that point
where it needs to be taken down? I am looking for an honest and
intelligent opinion.
01-15-2006 02:42 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
First off- I'm not your son.
Secondly- Wow- does that smack of fear.
Registered: Aug 2005 Third- I somehow doubt that you have the mental
Location: Directly behind you where-with-all to match wits with me.
Posts: 861 Fourth- Read a law book sometime. I can post
your name, and direct anyone I wish to visit a site
on the internet to include a site containing your
name. That has been brought before the courts on
many, many occasions. Their response is oft
times exactly the same- the website is a public
place, the government site is open to public
viewing, hence your records are as well. This is
called Freedom of Speech, something you guys
live behind.
Oh, big raspberries to you mister sensitivity.

It is a free country. We roll the dice and we take our chances.
Although I am quite proficient reading, understanding, and

implementing state revised code, administrative code, United States
Code (USC), UCMJ, as well as precedent and case law; I don't need
to. Many of my very dear friends are professionals in a variety of
fields including law. We go way back (some even before college).
I am of average intelligence, of substantial knowledge, tenacious,

very left brain dominant, and normally a heck of a nice guy.
However, we all have free will and I would not wish to in anyway
trample upon your (or any else's for that matter) free will. With free
will comes a consequence; that goes for me as well, of course.
Take it as you wish. There is nothing new under the sun.
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01-15-2006 02:45 AM
dish quote:
Member
Originally posted by xtratabasco
Registered: Jan 2006 And what a disgraceful job you do.
Location: michigan
Posts: 47 But remember we dont want or need your
criminal services, but you force it upon all people
esp. the people that believe in Freedom and the
Constituion and Bill of Rights.
You hate us (citizens who love Freedom) and take

your rage out against innocent people esp. those
that cant defend themselfs like old people and 12
year old girls jay-walking or doing cart wheels, or

boys riding bikes in the parking lots of cops, or

tasing an 85 year old vet for not pulling over fast
enough. Or the pregnant woman who was talking
to loud on her cell phone, or the old woman you
tased who just wanted to find out if her friend
was ok at the nursing home, you tase high school
girls over and over with a smile, you kick the eye
ball out of an old woman who wouldnt keep her
yard clean, you arrest 3,4,5, 8, 10 year olds and
take them to adult jails because your masters
said so. You dont know how to use common sense
only abuse and enslavement.....it goes on and on
You fucqs dont miss a beat.
But the table is turning.
I love the slow moving clock, it means more black

powder.
As luck would have it, I can't remember a single time I did any of
those things. I seriously doubt that any officer has ever kicked the
eyeball out of an old woman due to not keeping her yard clean.
I notice that whenever people here get angry, they swear. You
know what they say, cursing is the last resort of a feable mind.
01-15-2006 02:46 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 As luck would have it, I can't remember a single
Location: time I did any of those things. I seriously doubt
Posts: 2869 that any officer has ever kicked the eyeball out of
an old woman due to not keeping her yard clean.
I notice that whenever people here get angry,

they swear. You know what they say, cursing is
the last resort of a feable mind.
Its all here. Its all been in the last few years. Lets bet on it.
Lets bet 5k.

Im sure we can get up to 100k with other copwatchers who can put
their money up.
I only got a free 5.
Better yet, lets bet your worthless badge. Your job of disgust.
01-15-2006 02:49 AM
dish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2006 It is a free country. We roll the dice and we take
Location: michigan our chances.
Posts: 47
Although I am quite proficient reading,
understanding, and implementing state revised
code, administrative code, United States Code
(USC), UCMJ, as well as precedent and case law; I
don't need to. Many of my very dear friends are
professionals in a variety of fields including law.
We go way back (some even before college).
I am of average intelligence, of substantial

knowledge, tenacious, very left brain dominant,
and normally a heck of a nice guy.
However, we all have free will and I would not

wish to in anyway trample upon your (or any
else's for that matter) free will. With free will
comes a consequence; that goes for me as well,
of course.
Take it as you wish. There is nothing new under

the sun.
This will likely leave a bad taste in your mouth, but I like you. You
have a high command of proper grammer and it's use, and for the
most part, seem like someone I might agree with on many points.
You seem to be singular in your desire to at least be fair and
impartial. There are others here, and it is refreshing to know that
some on the other side see things similarly to my own views!
I hope that in the future we can carry on less argumentative and

more purposeful conversations!

01-15-2006 02:53 AM
dish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2006 Its all here. Its all been in the last few years. Lets
Location: michigan bet on it.
Posts: 47
Lets bet 5k.
Im sure we can get up to 100k with other

copwatchers who can put their money up.
I only got a free 5.
Better yet, lets bet your worthless badge. Your

job of disgust.
There is always the possibility I am wrong. I said that I doubted it,

didn't say I had proof. Please point me to the area where I might
read of this alleged atrocity, and I will be happy to look it over.
I don't bet money. It is against my beliefs.
And, if you would like my job and badge, you can have them. All
you have to do is get a college degree.
01-15-2006 02:55 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
My compliment was meant with real conviction.
If there are groups ready, willing, and supposedly
Registered: Aug 2005 able to take down this government, why haven't
Location: Directly behind you they? This is an honest question not meant to
Posts: 861 start an argument.
I believe in many of the things the militias
believe, freedom of speech, freedom of the press,
rights to keep and bear arms, etc. How do we
know when the government has reached that
point where it needs to be taken down? I am
looking for an honest and intelligent opinion.
I honestly appreciate your conviction. Thanks again!

As far as groups taking down the government the best I can come
up with (from my own personal thoughts):
- They do not wish to 'take down the government' as they are not
anarchists. They wish to act as a potential check against
unstoppable tyranny in our constitutional republic.
- Many probably do not feel it is yet bad enough or the middle class
must disappear before any such return to our 'proper' state of
government can occur.
- The country is engaged in military operations around the globe
and such a mass reclamation of power here in the states would
make us too vulnerable to foreign invasion. To wait is not to the
tactical advantage of those that wish this country to return to its
constitutional republic with democratic process and eliminate this
bastardization of our government with pure democracy. However,
integrity and love of their country prevents most from acting as our
beloved country is at it's weakest at home. They truly love their
country.
These are but a few of my personal thoughts as to why not now.

They may be way off base, but this is my personal analysis.
Money back guarantee, you get what you pay for, and all that.
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01-15-2006 02:56 AM

dish JmE;
Member Question, why wait for the middle class to dissapear? Wouldn't it be
prudent to prevent the suffering of that class?
Registered: Jan 2006
Location: michigan What is your opinion on courts no longer being allowed to display
Posts: 47 the Ten Commandments?
01-15-2006 03:00 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
This will likely leave a bad taste in your mouth,
but I like you. You have a high command of
Registered: Aug 2005 proper grammer and it's use, and for the most
Location: Directly behind you part, seem like someone I might agree with on
Posts: 861 many points.
You seem to be singular in your desire to at least
be fair and impartial. There are others here, and it
is refreshing to know that some on the other side
see things similarly to my own views!
I hope that in the future we can carry on less

argumentative and more purposeful
conversations!
No bad taste here. I appreciate the reply.
I agree and hope that we can engage in discussion and not

arguments in the future. I know I will do my best to converse/
discuss/exchange ideas and not argue.
In all honesty, I would rather discuss than argue any day. IMHO,
arguments serve very little productive purpose whereas discussions
and idea exchanges are rarely a waste of time.
Bear in mind, it never bothers me to agree to disagree on a subject.

I realize not everyone agrees; that makes life great. I am not sure I
would be comfortable if everyone was in locked step.
Second thing... I sometimes get grouchy. I try not to post when I

am in such a state, but when I do, I try to post an apology for being
an ass as soon as I realize it or someone points it out.
As such, I apologize for any asinine comments in previous posts.
Cheers!

__________________
"Stonewall" Jackson
JmE, 'Heinz 57'
Inspiration & Hope:

01-15-2006 03:06 AM
dish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2006 No bad taste here. I appreciate the reply.
Location: michigan
Posts: 47 I agree and hope that we can engage in
discussion and not arguments in the future. I
know I will do my best to converse/discuss/
exchange ideas and not argue.
In all honesty, I would rather discuss than argue

any day. IMHO, arguments serve very little
productive purpose whereas discussions and idea
exchanges are rarely a waste of time.
Bear in mind, it never bothers me to agree to

disagree on a subject. I realize not everyone
agrees; that makes life great. I am not sure I
would be comfortable if everyone was in locked
step.
Second thing... I sometimes get grouchy. I try not

to post when I am in such a state, but when I do,
I try to post an apology for being an ass as soon
as I realize it or someone points it out.
As such, I apologize for any asinine comments in

previous posts.
Cheers!

LOL!!!! Fair enough.
01-15-2006 03:08 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
JmE;
Question, why wait for the middle class to
Registered: Aug 2005 dissapear? Wouldn't it be prudent to prevent the
Location: Directly behind you suffering of that class?
Posts: 861
What is your opinion on courts no longer being
allowed to display the Ten Commandments?
As to the first question, prevention of suffering in the middle class

keeps them in a sense 'fat, dumb, and happy'. The longer they stay
in that state, it gives a strong central government more time to
consolidate power and strip more individual freedom. The middle
class tends not to look up from the entertainment and 'things'
mentality until it affects them personally and directly. This is not
unique to this country but can be seen throughout history. The
games in Rome were very instrumental in diverting the attention of
the people as the emperor methodically stripped the senate (ergo
the people) of much of its power. This trend (I do not think it is a
diabolical plot of any one generation; but a tendency of all
governments over time) is cyclical in governments until finally the
cycle is broken and either the central government completes its
consolidation (with disastrous effects on the individual) or the
people backlash and reform the system.
In short, as long as the middle class (a large segment) has their

attention diverted from the core issues of freedom and
consolidation of power, then any serious attempt at reforming this
government would be nearly impossible. Luckily (for those
Libertarians such as myself), the middle class is slipping in a
downward economic trend. Personally I feel badly for those that are
experiencing this, however, I think the overall result for our
republic will be positive. IMHO, if the middle class does not 'wake
up', we are headed for oligarchy or tyranny. Perhaps this will not be
in our lifetime, but I don't want it for my grandchildren. I would
rather the 'correction' happen whilst I am able to sacrifice than my
descendants suffer where I could have in their stead.
As to the 10 commandments... I try to keep my truly personal and

religious beliefs out of political discussions as I feel the system is
messed up enough without interjecting morality and religion. In

other words, I'll invoke the 5th on that one if you don't mind.
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JmE, 'Heinz 57'
Inspiration & Hope:

01-15-2006 03:29 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Location: Question, why wait for the middle class to
Posts: 2869 dissapear? Wouldn't it be prudent to prevent the
suffering of that class?
What is your opinion on courts no longer being

allowed to display the Ten Commandments?
you are out of your mind.
the courts have long forgotten the Constituion.
http://www.jail4judges.org/
turn your badge in, or turn the tables on your criminal friends.
He also said he had 40 officers on site that day.
Four Christians were arrested. They are charged with eight crimes,
including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a
bullhorn), ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin),
and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to
homosexuality) despite the fact that no

riot occurred.
They face a possible 47 years in prison and fines of $90,000

each. Now we have learned more about this horrible travesty of
justice.
According to WorldNetDaily, "Homosexual attorneys from the U.S.

Justice Department Civil Rights Division not only attended (the)
large homosexual event.but they advised police on the scene who
arrested 11 Christian protesters, says a source in the
agency." (Charges against some of the Christians have been
dropped.)
The WorldNetDaily article went on to say the U.S. Justice

Department is "not likely to take up the cause of the five criminally
charged Christians who believe Philadelphia officials violated their
civil rights."
Did you catch that? The Justice Department will refuse to

investigate the treatment of the arrested Christians because some
homosexual attorneys from the Justice Department were advising
the Philadelphia police on how to arrest the
Christians!!!!
WorldNetDaily, quoting their source inside the Justice

Department, said the Christians were charged with "ethic
intimidation (hate crimes) 'at the recommendation of some of our
(Department of Justice) attorneys who were at the
march.'"
In fact, Chief Inspector Tiano, who serves as liaison to the

homosexual community, testified at the preliminary hearing that he
met at least four times with the organizers of the Outfest event in
anticipation of the protesters'activities, presumably to discuss how
to handle the "Christians" when they showed up at the event. He
also said he had 40 officers on site that day. He
did not meet with any of the Christians!
There appears to be collusion in this travesty of justice that

goes to high levels of both the Justice Department and Philadelphia.
A trail date will be set soon.
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YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45477
Baby yanked from couple for kisses on belly button

Family goes through 'nightmare' scenario as state
claimed photos sexual assault
Posted: July 27, 2005

4:15 p.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The ordeal is finally over, but for the past year, a North Carolina
family has been torn apart after state officials claimed family photos
of a father kissing his baby's belly button were some kind of child
abuse.
It began when Teresa Hamaty took impromptu party snapshots of

her husband, Charbel, playfully embracing their naked, newborn
son, Kristoff.
After dropping the film off at an Eckerd store in North Raleigh,

authorities were notified.
"You see the back of the baby, and like if someone is kissing the
baby's belly button," Teresa told WRAL-TV.
But police saw the worst and arrested Teresa for taking sexually
explicit photos, charged her husband with felony sexual assault,
and put Kristoff and his half-sister in protective custody.
"It was a nightmare," Charbel said, after spending half a year in jail.
Teresa took months fighting to gain back custody of her children.
"I think this was one of those times that they got the wrong
people," Teresa said. "They were too quick to judge when they took
one look at my husband."
Dozens of Hamaty supporters showed up for court appearances,

claiming police overreacted. They raised some $140,000 in legal
and living expenses for the Hamatys.
"[It] makes me feel, that's it – that's why I have to be strong for –

to show everybody what the truth is," Charbel told the station.
The charges eventually were dropped when a report submitted by

an expert said there was no criminal intent in the pictures.
"I hate cameras," Charbel now says. "I don't like taking pictures."
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Third-grader arrested for disorderly conduct, put in adult jail
ESPANOLA, N.M. (AP) — An Espanola third-grader was handcuffed

and arrested by police after hitting another student with a
basketball, the child's mother and her lawyer say.
"The Legislature never envisioned that the law would be used to

lock an 8-year-old in any jail, especially an adult jail," attorney
Sheri Raphaelson said.
"This is the most egregious example of poor judgment by police

that I've ever seen in my 15 years of practicing law," she said.

According to a juvenile citation for disorderly conduct, Jerry Trujillo

was arrested Thursday and booked into the Espanola jail after he
"got out of control and refused to go back to class."
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Girl arrested, handcuffed for taking scissors to school
Girl arrested, handcuffed for taking scissors to school

Source: USA Today
Published: Dec 11, 2004
Author: AP
Post Date: 2004-12-16 07:37:07 by Gumby the Terrible
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A 10-year-old girl was placed in handcuffs

and taken to a police station because she took a pair of scissors to
her elementary school.
School district officials said the fourth-grade student did not

threaten anyone with the 8-inch shears, but violated a rule that
considers scissors to be potential weapons.
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Teen tased 16 times for choking

Teen tased 16 times for paraphenalia
Mother of teen hit with Taser 16 times plans to sue
Associated Press | March 8 2005
PORTAGE, Ind. - A woman says police shocked her

teenage son 16 times with a stun gun, causing him to
temporarily lose his memory, and she plans to seek
damages.
Sherry Davis and her attorney said they plan to file a

tort claim with the city within a week to 10 days.
Davis said her son, Jim Wring, 18, still does not
remember anything except blinding flashes of pain from
the night of Nov. 2. She also said her son, who was
hospitalized for three days, did not recognize her
until the afternoon after his run-in with police.
Portage police went to the home of a friend of Wring's

after a caller reported that he was choking. Police
reports said Wring was acting strangely and would not
cooperate with officers.
Wring eventually took an "aggressive stance," and

police warned him and then shot him with a stun gun,
police reports said.

Hospital toxicology tests showed Wring had not taken

drugs, and doctors later concluded that Wring's
strange behavior was an episode of hypoxic
encephalopathy caused by choking, the Post-Tribune of
Merrillville reported.
Davis and her attorney Stephen Bower of Merrillville

say they are finalizing steps for a lawsuit against
the city of Portage. Bower said he plans to file a
tort claim in a week to 10 days and a lawsuit should
follow in the next couple months, seeking unspecified
damages.
Davis said she wants to see remorse from the city.
"First and foremost, for them to admit that they went

over the edge," Davis said. "They need to acknowledge
that."
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Police: Handcuffing kindergartner not a violation
Police: Handcuffing girl not a violation

Associated Press | August 5, 2005
Police officers committed an error of judgment when they

handcuffed an unruly kindergartner at school in March but did not
violate policy, the department's chief said Thursday.
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Texas Man Arrested After Heroic Rescue
Associated Press | July 5, 2005
SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) - A man who rescued a swimmer caught

in swirling river currents found himself in trouble soon afterward
when he was arrested by authorities who claimed he was interfering.
Dave Newman, 48, disobeyed repeated orders by emergency

personnel to leave the water, police said. He was charged with
interfering with public duties.
"I was amazed," Newman said Monday after his release on $2,000
bail. "I had a very uncomfortable night after saving that guy's life.
He thanked me for it in front of the police, and then they took me
to jail."
Abed Duamni, 35, of Houston, said he had just finished eating at a

restaurant Sunday when he decided to go for a swim in a nearby
river. Duamni said he didn't see any signs warning swimmers of

dangerous currents.
Newman said he pulled Duamni out of the water, swimming under a

waterfall and over to the shore opposite from the restaurant. He
could hear law enforcement personnel telling him to come back to
the other side.
According to police, Newman smirked and seemed annoyed by

officers' requests. He stood in the water for about 15 seconds
before swimming downstream.
"When he came across the river, the officer stuck out his hand like
he's going to help him out of the water, and he put cuffs on him,"
said John Parnell, pastor of St. Augustine Old Roman Catholic
Church in Fort Worth.
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Man Goes to Jail for Puting a Sign in his Yard
WAFF | April 2 2004
"You can look through 'em all."
Up to his ears in legal documents, Phillip Dean is fed

up with the judicial system.
"That's the kind of court system we've got in Jackson

County, Alabama and I want everybody to know," Dean
says.
So he put a sign in his front lawn saying "Our Court

System Is a Joke."
A message landing him behind bars.
"I was in a cell about four foot wide and six foot
long and nothing in it but a toilet," he explains.
Arrest orders signed by Judge Haralson claim Dean to

be in direct contempt of court, even though the sign
is on County Road 107, not in the county courthouse.
"The signs were so derogatory to the court they could

not be ignored," Haralson responds in a local paper.
With Dean locked up, the signs were removed.
"Before they would let me go in front of Judge

Haralson," Dean says. "They put leg shackles, they put
handcuffs, they put chains from my legs up to my
waist. they put a chain around my waist. they put
chains from my waist up here and had my hands pulled
up like this."

"When it gets to where a man hadn't got any free

speech in this world, what has he got?" he asks.
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Reuters
Oregon Law Would Jail War Protesters as Terrorists
By Lee Douglas
PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) - An Oregon anti-terrorism
bill would jail street-blocking protesters for at
least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage
anti-war demonstrations, critics say.
The bill has met strong opposition but lawmakers still

expect a debate on the definition of terrorism and the
value of free speech before a vote by the state senate
judiciary committee, whose Chairman, Republican
Senator John Minnis, wrote the proposed legislation.
Dubbed Senate Bill 742, it identifies a terrorist as a

person who "plans or participates in an act that is
intended, by at least one of its participants, to
disrupt" business, transportation, schools,
government, or free assembly.
The bill's few public supporters say police need

stronger laws to break up protests that have created
havoc in cities like Portland, where thousands of
people have marched and demonstrated against war in
Iraq since last fall.
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Lawyers say post-9/11 U.S. is like police state
Jim Nichols, Plain Dealer Reporter | May 01, 2004
Americans have a fearsome new enemy since 9/11, and

that enemy is their own government, a panel of
prominent defense lawyers told colleagues Friday.
Congress and the Bush administration are behaving in

most un-American ways under the guise of national
security, the lawyers argued: gutting civil rights,
usurping powers to eavesdrop, creating secret
tribunals where the accused have no rights.
And, they emphasize, all Americans not just terrorists

are potential victims of the USA Patriot Act and other
laws and presidential orders implemented in 9/11's
wake.
"We are living in a very dangerous age," said Marvin

Miller, an Alexandria, Va., trial lawyer. "I have this

theory that just because we started out as a democracy
doesn't mean we're going to survive as a democracy."
The word "terrorism." The Patriot Act defines it so

broadly that, had the act existed earlier, it could
have been used to crush the civil-rights movement.
The foundation of the United States, and the reason

people risk their lives to immigrate here, is the
Constitution, a document "written by people who didn't
trust the government," said Baugh, a Richmond, Va.,
criminal-defense attorney. Yet Americans' rising
xenophobia and fear of terrorism are driving us to
weaken it and become a police state, Baugh, Miller and
Goldstein argued.
"Hitler did not impose his will on an unsuspecting

public," Goldstein said. "The Third Reich arose on a
groundswell of popular support."
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Kiss Goodbye to the 4th Amendment
Jon Christian Ryter | April 1st 2004
It's finally happened. Thanks to recent judicial

decisions by the traditionally conservative 5th
Circuit Court and the US Supreme Court, Americans can
pretty much kiss the 4th Amendment good-bye. On the
heels of a US Supreme Court decision that now allows
police to fully arrest and handcuff American citizens
for misdemeanor violations of traffic law that are
generally punishable with a ticket and a fine in
traffic court, the usually conservative US 5th Circuit
Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled on Friday, March
26, 2004 that police officers can briefly search homes
and commercial buildings and use any evidence found in
those warrantless searches in the trials of those
charged with violating the law—even if police had no
suspicion those being detained had violated laws for
which they were consequently charged based on the
evidence discovered in the warrantless search.
The 5th Circuit's decision sets a groundbreaking legal

precedent that frightens legal experts who claim the
new ruling establishes a privilege that will quickly
be abused by police in every jurisdiction in the
nation even though the 5th Circuit's decision actually
only affects Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi.
Louisiana law enforcement officers claim it was needed
to provide safety to officers. Acting on a Baton Rouge
case, the 5th Circuit ruled that police do not need an

arrest or search warrant to conduct a swift sweep of

private property to ensure their own safety. Further,
the court ruled, any evidence discovered during the
sweep is admissible in court as long as the search is
a cursory inspection of the dwelling or other building
rather than a "deep search” and providing the police
entered the building for legitimate law enforcement
purposes...and they had reason to believe that
entering that building or dwelling might be dangerous.
What law enforcement situation today is not dangerous?
Even minor domestic squabbles can become instantly
dangerous.
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In Push to Stop Drunk Driving, Police Draw Blood
Wall Street Journal | March 24 2004
BROOKFIELD, Wis. -- After police stopped Robert H.

Miller for driving erratically here one afternoon in
February 2001, they asked for his license and
registration.
Then they asked for something else: his blood. Having

been convicted of drunk driving once before, Mr.
Miller refused to cooperate. So after he was taken to
a hospital, five officers pinned him to the floor as a
medical technician stuck a needle in his arm. His
blood-alcohol level was 0.266% -- more than twice the
legal limit. Mr. Miller, who declined to comment,
challenged the tactic in court but lost. He pleaded no
contest, was sentenced to up to 90 days in jail and
lost his license for 18 months.
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POLICE STATE, USA
Cops go to bars to arrest drunks Gestapo-like tactics

prompt outrage, complaints among owners, citizenry
In the ongoing effort to keep public places clear of

intoxicated citizens and drunk drivers, some police
agencies are using a controversial tactic – going
directly into bars and restaurants in order to make
arrests.
Such is the situation in northern Virginia, where

Fairfax County Police are targeting patrons suspected
of having one too many.

"[Officers] were talking to one of the guests, then

physically pulled him off the barstool," Richie
Prisco, general manager at Champps bar told the Reston
Times. "They were really aggressive and nasty."
According to the report, police are hauling customers

outside of establishments to conduct sobriety tests,
then arresting them for public drunkenness should they
fail.
Tavern owner Jimmy Cirrito says it was intimidating

and unnecessary to have some ten officers show up in
SWAT-like attire. He notes police seemed to be tagging
people at random, despite their telling bar owners
they had undercover agents inside, calling in to
provide specific descriptions of certain individuals.
"They tapped one lady on the shoulder – who was on her

first drink and had just eaten dinner – to take her
out on the sidewalk and give her a sobriety test,"
Cirrito told the paper. "They told her she fit the
description of a woman they had complaints about, and
that they heard she was dancing topless."
Cirrito said the woman passed the test and was allowed
back in, but soon after, police pulled another woman
outside who had arrived shortly before officers did.
Authorities say such methods are not new, despite

protests from bar owners that they've never heard of
police coming inside their establishments to enforce
drinking laws.
"I've been an officer for over 17 years, and we've

been doing it on and off over my entire career,"
police spokeswoman Sophia Grinnan told the Times.
In the wake of the published report, citizens appear

to be siding with the bar owners and patrons, gauging
from posts in an on line message board.
"The way police are handling the drink situation is

the biggest B.S. I have ever heard of," wrote Ray
Williams.
"I lost a son (at age 16) a few years ago, and I most
certainly support stopping anyone from drinking and
driving. However, this police raid that seems to take
place at some local bars is just totally crazy. ...
Are we now living in a communist environment where we
are not allowed to do anything without being harassed
by the military/police?"
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OUTRAGE OVER NEW WRONG-DOOR BLUNDER BY POLICE
By ERIKA MARTINEZ and ED ROBINSON
http://www.prisonplanet.com/outrage..._by_police.html
May 23, 2003 -- Residents of a Bronx building are

outraged after getting an unexpected morning
"greeting" yesterday from a police drug squad, which
burst into their homes, waved guns at children and
then left after finding nothing.
"At 7:50 a.m., they burst down the door to the
building," said Joe Celcis, a teacher whose mother and
sister live in the home.
"After an hour and a half, they said, 'Sorry wrong

house,' and left."
They smashed open a door, handcuffed several people

and put a gun in the face of 12-year-old Jennifer
Espady before going though everyone's belongings,
witnesses said.
"They came in with guns drawn and pushed me," Jennifer

said.
The cops were looking for two handguns, a pile of

marijuana and evidence of a pot-selling operation.
They found nothing.
"How can a 12-year-old forget having a gun pointed at

her? She was treated like she was in Iraq."
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http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/inde...=node/view/3142
Deputy Wrestles Girl To Ground
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- A deputy used pepper spray on

a 12-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground when
she ignored repeated orders to stop jaywalking, the
sheriff's office said Friday. Broward County sheriff's
deputy Michael Roberto was issuing jaywalking tickets
to students crossing a busy highway Thursday when he
asked the girl to stand next to his motorcycle so he
could give her a citation, the deputy's report said.
But the girl, who was not immediately identified,

became upset and began to curse, Roberto said in the
report. The girl also walked away and ignored four
more orders to stop and put her hands behind her back,

he said.
The girl, who is 5 feet 1 inch and 134 pounds,

threatened to hit Roberto and rolled her hand in a
fist, the report said. The deputy repeatedly warned
her that he would use pepper spray if she didn't
listen.
"After the last warning and order, it became apparent

that I had to choose between a physical fight and
using the pepper spray," Roberto wrote. "I sprayed her
in the face."
Roberto, a 22-year veteran of the force, was at work

Friday, Leljedahl said.
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Police settle excessive force suit with 71-year-old

woman
PORTLAND, Ore. - The city of Portland has agreed to

pay $145,000 to an elderly blind woman after police
pepper-sprayed and shocked her with a stun gun.
The altercation began as an attempt to remove shrubs

and appliances from 71-year-old Eunice Crowder's yard,
and ended with police citing her for harassment and
disobeying an order.
"This case goes to show that police misconduct and

excessive force can happen to anybody outside the
mainstream," said Ernest Warren Jr., Crowder's lawyer.
"It does not have to be an African American; it can be
someone who is elderly and white."
The June 9, 2003, incident began when Ed Marihart, a

city employee, showed up at Crowder's home. He served
her with an administrative search warrant to remove an
accumulation of trash and debris.
According to Crowder and her lawyer, the woman told

him she was blind and hard of hearing, and asked him
to read the entire warrant to her, but he refused. She
said he placed it in her hands, walked outside and
ordered others to start removing items from her yard.
The woman followed the city employee outside. She was

concerned that he and his co-workers had removed a
family heirloom, a 90-year-old red toy wagon with
rhododendrons in it. She asked to enter a trailer,
where items from her yard were being placed, to feel
around for the wagon.

Marihart told her she couldn't enter the trailer and

said the wagon was not inside. He then called police.
When Portland Officers Robert Miller and Eric Zajac

arrived at the house, Crowder acknowledged she had one
foot on the curb and one foot on the bumper of the
trailer. She felt someone step on her foot and asked,
"Who are you?"
Moments later, she felt someone strike her in the

head, which dislodged her prosthetic right eye from
its socket, and was knocked to the ground, she claimed
in her lawsuit.
Officers said Crowder ignored their commands not to

climb into the trailer and tried to bite Miller's
hand.
They acknowledged she was "pushed onto the dirt next

to the sidewalk," according to the city's legal brief
filed in court.
While on the ground, Crowder asked the officer what he

thought he was doing and kicked Miller. She said the
officer kicked her back, then pepper-sprayed her in
her eyes.
"While she's still on the ground, on her stomach, they

tased her in the back and in the breast," her lawyer
said.
Police said they pepper-sprayed Crowder after she

refused to stop kicking them. They admit that
Crowder's prosthetic eye fell out at some point, and
that Zajac stunned Crowder with a Taser, an electric
stun gun, twice in the lower back and once in the
upper back after ordering her to stop fighting and
resisting.
Warren said the city's argument is bogus. He said, "To

kick the crap out of old folks seems a little bit much
to me in the name of law enforcement,"
(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights

Reserved.)
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Wednesday, March 05, 2003
ALBANY, N.Y. — A man wearing a "Peace on Earth, Give

Peace a Chance" T-shirt in a shopping mall says he was
arrested because he refused to take the shirt off, but

the mall says he was nabbed for bothering other

shoppers.
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Security guards approached Stephen Downs, 61, and his

31-year-old son Roger, on Monday night after they were
spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a
suburb of Albany, N.Y., the men said.
The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made
at a store there — or leave the mall. They refused.
The guards returned with a police officer who repeated

the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the
father refused.
"'I said, 'All right then, arrest me if you have to,'"

Downs said. "So that's what they did. They put the
handcuffs on and took me away."
Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night.

The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help
with his case if asked.
Police Chief James Murley said his officers were just

responding to a complaint by mall security.
"We don't care what they have on their shirts, but

they were asked to leave the property, and it's
private property," Murley said.
Monday's arrest came less than three months after

about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were
told to leave by mall security and police. There were
no arrests.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps..._man_beaten.htm
85-year-old Man Beaten, Pepper-Sprayed By Police

CNN | January 10, 2005
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (AP) -- Police said they are

investigating an incident in which an officer
pepper-sprayed an 85-year-old man during a traffic
stop.
Leon Nins said officer Michael Lee also beat him after
he took too long to stop his car. Police deny that and

say Nins attacked Lee.
Nins, a World War II veteran who stands about 5-feet-7

and weighs 145 pounds, claims Lee was angry that he
didn't stop his car right away.
"I told him, 'If I'd have seen you, I would have
stopped,"' Nins said earlier. "He got really mad about
that. He told me to get in his car, and he started
beating me on the leg and on the side of the arm. He
pushed me down on the floor, and he was slamming the
door on my legs."
Nins was arrested and jailed for two days. The Ramsey
County Attorney's Office declined to charge him with a
felony, but prosecutors still could bring a lesser
charge.
Nins said he went to a hospital for treatment after

his release.
Police reports said Nins did not stop for nearly a

half mile after Lee began trying to pull him over.
St. Paul police Chief John Harrington confirmed that

Lee used pepper spray to subdue Nins, but only after
Nins refused to produce identification and began
flailing at the officer.
"I do not believe (Lee) was acting with excessive

force and I don't have any intention of suspending him
or moving him to any administrative assignment at this
time," Harrington said.--------------------------------
Girl Tasered at School
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?s...ocal&id=3806891
By Ken Ward
(01/12/06 -- BUNN) - The family of a Franklin County girl wants to

know why a school resource officer tasered her Thursday.
Angel Debnam was tasered Thursday at Bunn High School.

Eleventh-grader Angel Debnam says she tried to intervene in a fight
at Bunn High School. When she was told to go to the principal's
office, Debnam says Lt. Frank Murray tasered her.
"Something sticks in you, and it's like a wire," Debnam said. "When
I was on the ground crying and shaking, he asked me, 'Was that
enough? Are you calmed down now?' and he did it again."
Tasers are non-lethal weapons that can send 50,000 volts through
the human body. Despite their non-lethal status, a number of
deaths have been linked to the use of the devices.

Debnam says she was not fighting and was walking toward the
principal's office when she was shocked. Danielle Kolbe barely
knows Debnam, but saw the incident and backs up the girl's claims.
"All of a sudden, you hear her scream, 'Stop! You're hurting me!'"
Kolbe said. "The next think I know, she's pushed to the floor, and
he's out with his taser gun, tasering her. So, she's sitting there
shaking and screaming, 'That hurts!' He does it again, but it's really
awkward -- the fact that he as a smile planted on his face."
Debnam was arrested and charged with resisting arrest. She was
freed later on $1,500 bond.
The principal of Bunn High School declined an on-camera interview,

but told Eyewitness News that the taser can be used "when a
student is deemed out-of-control or they did not obey a specific
rule."
The Debnams are planning to file a lawsuit against the Franklin

County School System and the Bunn Police Department.
...........................................
4 adults, 3 were cops cant handle 6 year old, they

tase him.
Cops taser pregnant woman in stomach for loud music.
Man arrested for wearing 'peace' T-shirt in the same

mall he bought the shirt in.
Man arrested for not leaving a tip.
Student arrested for bringing steel scissors to

school.
Woman Arrested For Chewing candy.
7 year old arrested for plastic 1 inch knife at

school.
Cop tase 86 year old woman to correct her behavior.
8-year-old Arrested, taken to adult jail For throwing

basketball at another kid.
61-year grandmother hauled off in

handcuffs for growing her hedges too high.
Girl visiting NYC during the Republican Convention,

NOT a protester, gets thrown into a makeshift prison.

(Thousands of people not associated with the

protesters were arrested.)
Jr. high school student arrested for having steak

knife in lunch box.
Eat a candy bar or french fry, go to jail

Woman Appears In Court For Eating Candy At Metro
Station.
Cop shots 80+ year old man in wheelchair with bean bag
shotgun because of his aggressive manner.
People/children being arrested and detained with

handcuffs for eating candy in Washington, D.C., subway
stations.
Schoolteacher hauled off cruise ship for not paying a

fine for leaving marshmallows at a Yellowstone
campsite. Judge finds she actually did pay the fine in
the first place.
Cops taz, hit, pepper spray, and kick 71 blind woman

until her eyeball falls out, because she had an unkept
yard.
Charges against a Vietnam-era veteran who flew an

American flag upside down to protest the war in Iraq.
Pregnant Woman Arrested For Talking Too Loudly on

Cellphone.
7 year old with paper gun put in jail.
Students tased for not talking to cops.
Kids skip school, parents go to jail.
Young student arrested for Lego gun.
Student arrested at school for nail clippers.
Man jailed over house extension.
Police brutalize nonviolent protesters.
High school honor student arrested and held for 4 inch

nail file.
Judge witnesses cops commit hundreds of felonies. They

beat up hand cuffed, downed non violent protesters.
3rd grader arrested for disorderly conduct.
Shopping protesters arrested for "nothing."

Family members arrested and tased at wedding for being

to loud.
Marlins fan spends a night in jail for curfew

violation
A deputy didn't think the game was a good excuse.
Woman Wearing 'President Bush You Killed My Son'

T-shirt arrested.
Jr. high school kids arrested and tased for food

fight.
9th grader tased for doing cart wheels and flips when
she had been ordered to stop.
15-year-veteran officer used his Taser on a

12-year-old girl who was playing hooky from school.
$185 fine for dropping a sunflower seed.
Woman arrested for talking too loud in public.
Man gets arrested for giving a cop a documentary tape.
Student, 27 said she saw police throw one protester's

glasses in the busy street. ''He was begging them to
give him his glasses,''
Hurt veteran arrested by Homeland Security as a

terrorist for calling the VA to much.
Wrong House gets SWATED, beat up 50 year old and

arrest him.
Cops Taser 14-Year-Old Who Wouldn't Drop Game Boy.
Cops tackle and pepper spray protesters walking

backwards with their hands held high chanting, "We are
Dispersing, We are Dispersing".
Cop uses taser on 7 year old school girl.
Detroit officer severs woman's finger, trying to cuff

her for traffic stop.
Cops pepper spray infants faces, held in mothers arms

at non violent protests.
A teacher's weighted bookmark gets her arrested and

charged with carrying a concealed weapon.
Woman arrested on domestic violence for calling her

boyfriend "offensive names and throwing baby wipes" at
him. also charged with child abuse for holding child
while throwing

the wipes.
Police arrest 8-year-old after scuffle with another

8-year old. Boy handcuffed, charged with battery. Both
boys were not hurt.
Domestic violence case. Throw a crayon, go to jail.
A deputy used pepper spray on a 12-year-old girl and

wrestled her to the ground when she ignored orders to
stop jaywalking.
Television pictures of a policeman punching a child in

the face. Police attempted to deal with a picket
staged by fishermen and their families. The footage
shows a policeman involved in angry exchanges As the
argument continues, the policeman advances and punches
the child in the face.
Man who shot police beating video arrested.
Have a costume/replica musket at school play, get

arrested and go to jail.
Peaceful protester, get pepper shot and beat up by

cops.
Student goes to jail after saying prayer at prep rally

when principle tells him not too.
Old, confused, arthritic 75 year old woman visiting a

friend at a nursing home, get tasered by cops to help
her leave.
Police Use Taser To Subdue Wheelchair-Bound Man.
If you want
the original link or more on the details, you can see
them at www.copwatch.com . There is no
trickery or cop frame ups, they are all documented and
show how our freedom is stripped everyday.
01-15-2006 03:33 AM

dish Hey Xtrat-

Member
Wow- that's a lot of info. Give me a little time to digest it all. I read
Registered: Jan 2006 a couple of them. A couple of them have no news service listed so
Location: michigan I'll take them at that value for now.
Posts: 47
01-15-2006 08:30 PM
GC Marciano Re: Help me here.

quote:
Originally posted by Mona

Just new today and not LEO. I voted bashing.
I hope that further review of the site will
show me I am wrong.

Location: Chicago, Illinois No you are not new here, you have been on the forums for
Posts: 9967 quite some time and posted under a multitude of monikers;
Abby, Birdie, Rosie, Pastor and Abigail just to name a few, as
well as a myriad of unregistered names in the Unregistered
forum.
quote:
Originally posted by Mona

Any mods or owners want to help me
understand why I should continue to come
here?
Seeing as how you continuously disregard the rules of the

forum, I don't think the mods or owners really care if you stick
around or leave for good. You do nothing to contribute, your
sole reason for being here is simply to be an annoyance.
If you want to leave, I'm sure you have every members full
blessing.
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2green2 I voted both...I've been reading here for some time and just
Junior Member registered today. Some of the ranting is in my opinion unnecessary
and counter productive. The name calling is probably fun and
Registered: Feb 2006 momentarily satisfying but sort of speaks to a lack of maturity.
Location: Nevada I am a member of one of the dreaded Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs ( So
Posts: 4
called ) that are constantly picked on and villified by the police. I
have seen MANY instances of cops stepping WAY OVER THE LINE. I
have personally had officers tell me that they will do WHATEVER
THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET US.
I understand the rules that they play by and I deal with them
accordingly. I do not however see the logic behind antagonizing the
beast further by calling them names or generally acting like an
a**hole when I have to deal with them. I usually handle myself in a
professional and courteous manner when I am in an encounter with
them. I spend way less time in jail and the Court system that way.
I video/audio tape all encounters with them and they know it and it
keeps them from getting too far out of line.
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02-01-2006 11:35 PM
duncan Ummm me thinks I smell another copster plant.

Moderator
Cyberwolrd is not our reality. Cops are not forced to come here and
Registered: Jul 2003 antagonize us.
Posts: 9006 No motorcylist would ever be caught kissing the a$$ of any copster
unless he was a member of the Blue Knights or the Untouchables. I
never saw one ki$$ a cops a$$ the way you have described.
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02-02-2006 11:07 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by 2green2
I've been reading here for some time and just
registered today.
Since you just registered today, I'm curious as to how you have
been reading here "for some time" as registration is required to
read this forum.
Posts: 9967
I believe you are a reincarnartion of a former/current member
who has simply created a new personallity.
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02-02-2006 11:25 AM

xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 Since you just registered today, I'm curious as to
Location: how you have been reading here "for some time"
Posts: 2869 as registration is required to read this forum.
I believe you are a reincarnartion of a former/

current member who has simply created a new
personallity.
maybe of birdie, mona, pastor, jello, monaliveson, abagail, rosie

fame?
jello
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
quote:
I am jello and obviously someone here is very desparate and

threatened by unregistered posters. Its a website.....get over
yourself already. As for the others.....sounds like you have a troll
problem. Whatever.....I am jello and mona just keeps imitating me
and using my name. she is a troll and a whacknut.....get lost mona
no one wants you here anymore.....
So did someone have a topic to discuss?
jello
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
Duncan Mr Moderator......I dont care what you reported to who.....
Mr Moderator himself. You cant even get rid of me.
And Im not mona........Im somebody else who you dont know!
I suspect the owners may not like what I have done but know I
have brought to the forefront the problem on this site.

Everyone in this country loves freedom. Now I am bored, lets move

onto something new. What do you want to talk about?
I just used different usernames.
I am just a silly citizen playing on the computer waiting to die.
Your not scientists.....
Were you there to see it? No you wernt.
a plane was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the pentagon

killing all those poor innocent people on it. Dont you people have a
heart...dont you have a soul....
I hope all of you die in a plane crash and nobody cries for any of
you......that would be true poetic justice!!
Im somebody else who you dont know!
You cant even get rid of me.
The kind of behavior you display is that of a 6 year old.
You know, I think I am going to drive you crazy.
Keep it up fool, I have your number.

I want to and can play mind games
Most the people here use many versions of Tex or Duncan.
02-02-2006 11:55 AM
2green2 "No motorcylist would ever be caught kissing the a$$ of any copster
Junior Member unless he was a member of the Blue Knights or the Untouchables. I
never saw one ki$$ a cops a$$ the way you have described."
Registered: Feb 2006
Location: Nevada
Posts: 4 Did I say I kiss their asses? What I said was I handle myself in a
professional and courteous manner so as to avoid the hassles of
gettin' rolled up for bullsh*t all the time...There is a major
difference there.
"Since you just registered today, I'm curious as to how you have
been reading here "for some time" as registration is required to
read this forum.
I believe you are a reincarnartion of a former/current member who

has simply created a new personallity."
I have been reading on the site in general for a while and kind of

got interested in participating...If this is just going to be a pissin'

contest about who hates the cops more than who then I'm not
really interested in participating. If we can have interesting and
possibly intellegent discussions about the on going problems
between cops and real people then "cool" If you're paranoid enough
to think I'm someone that was here before then check it out and
tell me what you find...Or don't! I kind of really don't give a fu*k.
I was under the impression that this site was about something
important.
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02-02-2006 05:47 PM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 If we can have interesting and possibly
Location: intellegent discussions about the on going
Posts: 2869 problems between cops and real people then
"cool"
I was under the impression that this site was
about something important.
I've never heard a bad motorcycle member say "cool."
It's new to me just like on another site a supposed Viet Nam Vet
said "dude."
They kind of loose any credibility they may have had.
LOL
02-02-2006 06:17 PM

GC Marciano quote:
I have been reading on the site in general for
a while and kind of got interested in
participating
But as I stated above, I am interested in how you have been

reading the site for a while when you only registered a couple
days ago - the same day of your "first" post.
Posts: 9967
Registration is required to read the forums. Please explain how
you accomplished reading them "for some time" without being
registered.
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02-02-2006 06:45 PM
2green2 quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Feb 2006 I've never heard a bad motorcycle member say
Location: Nevada "cool."
Posts: 4
It's new to me just like on another site a
supposed Viet Nam Vet said "dude."
They kind of loose any credibility they may have

had.
LOL

More that likely because if you ever got near one of us your attitude
and big mouth would get you lumped up. I've probably been using
the word "cool" longer than you've been alive. Sometimes I say
dude as well. I had hoped that this site was about something...It's
obviously not.
Pissin' contest...Not interested
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02-02-2006 07:12 PM
GC Marciano The fact that you refuse to -or are unable to- address my
Copwatcher Extraordinaire question confirms to me that you are in fact a previous member
who has simply created another registered name and attached
a personality to it.
quote:
I had hoped that this site was about

something...It's obviously not.
Posts: 9967 This site is about cops and cop lovers who build their entire
lives around a lie. It appears you have been quickly exposed as
another one of them, as your first post under your new name
begins with a lie.
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02-02-2006 08:42 PM
duncan "Did I say I kiss their asses? What I said was I handle myself in a
Moderator professional and courteous manner so as to avoid the hassles of
gettin' rolled up for bullsh*t all the time...There is a major
Registered: Jul 2003 difference there."
Posts: 9006 As a matter of fact you did. So you're a professional criminal and
get harrassed by the cops so often that you have now made a
profession out of getting stopped by the copsters? Do you know
how f*cking stupid you sound when you post this kind of crap? So
what is the name of your imaginary MC? You shouldn't have a
problem posting it if it really exists.
I don't have many encounters with the copsters because I'm not a
professional like you are stupid. My only real encounters with them
are on this forum and world wide web is not my reality. I don't run
up to p$gs and do anything to them or with them. The problem
occurs when they come to me and attempt to violate my rights and
then I let an attorney deal with them in a professional manner.
"I believe you are a reincarnartion of a former/current member who

has simply created a new personallity."
Of course he is Al. This clown uses the same old line over and over
again.
"I've been reading your forum for sometime now and I don't like
the way you talk to the nice police officer and I will gloss over the
fact that the policemen come here only to lodge personal attacks on
copwatchers and try to divert attention from their own crimes by
starting a flame war. I will only focus on what copwatchers do in a
febble attempt to discredit your group."
"I have been reading on the site in general for a while and kind of
got interested in participating...If this is just going to be a pissin'
contest about who hates the cops more than who then I'm not
really interested in participating. If we can have interesting and
possibly intellegent discussions about the on going problems
between cops and real people then "cool" If you're paranoid enough
to think I'm someone that was here before then check it out and
tell me what you find...Or don't! I kind of really don't give a fu*k."
If so then why have you only been registered for two days? Unless
you are a copster we had banned due to your incesant need to lie
about us and our forum? Looks like you are the one who started
this pissing contest. If you don't like the forum or the way we do
things then of course a normal perosn would simply disregard the

forum by leaving and posting no comment at all. It begs the

question, if we suck so bad then why bother to stick around and
post unless you are a copster with an axe to grind? If you don't like
pissing matches then why are you in the middle of one now stupid?
"I was under the impression that this site was about something
important."
It is and you aren't.
If you really belong to a MC then tell us what the COC is about and
why don't you show up for one of their meetings were you can call
me out and then you can try and thump me. See how far ya get.
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02-03-2006 11:45 AM
Anthony Re: Do you think this website holds cops accountable? Or bashes cops?
Senior Member
quote:
Registered: Mar 2005
Location:
Originally posted by Navigatr1 Some members of this
Posts: 219
board have accused us of bashing cops. I admit that a
few members go a little overboard and do some cop
bashing. However, I would like to hear why it is felt
that we bash cops. I especially want to hear from our
cop members.[/B]

Great post.
I feel I'm a pretty logical person. I tend to listen to both sides of
things. Sometimes friends get pissed at me for playing devil's
advocate, but being fair in cases like these is more important than
pleasing people.
I feel like this site could become more mainstream and gain a LOT
of credibility if it became a little less biased. Of course, because of
it's nature, it will always be biased, but the degree of it now is
WORKING AGAINST YOU.
Bashing cops at every moment is NOT going to hold cops

accountable. It might make each other feel better and feel
more just in the cause, but except for discussions where
advice is given on taking action against an unjust incidence
that happened to a visitor, I doubt if this site has helped
even a single officer increase accountability.
It's a shame, because I feel it's working against my cause (officer

ethics, integrity, and fairness). It would sometimes be more
effective to do nothing at all, especially when it comes to far
fetched articles about the Constitution and fuzzy logic.
Credibility is important in these cases. If people who might

want to help your cause visit this site and see only angry
nonsensical hate messages, they're going to move on and
find a way they can actually make a difference with another
organization.
Those are my honest thoughts.
04-11-2006 08:16 PM
Mack Re: Re: Do you think this website holds cops accountable? Or bashes
Assistant Moderator cops?
quote:
Originally posted by Anthony

I feel like this site could become more
mainstream and gain a LOT of credibility if it
became a little less biased. Of course, because of
Registered: Jul 2003 it's nature, it will always be biased, but the
Location: degree of it now is WORKING AGAINST YOU.
Posts: 5215
It's a shame, because I feel it's working against
my cause (officer ethics, integrity, and fairness).
If people who might want to help your cause visit
this site and see only angry nonsensical hate
messages, they're going to move on

I completely agree with you, Anthony. Coincidentally, we're

implementing a new policy to curtail counterproductive messages.
A number of our members, though perfectly capable of responding

to opposing views with reason and logic, choose not to do so.
Instead, they respond with invective, crude insults, knee-jerk

hostility, and venom. It is very counterproductive, and it must stop.
If cop participating on this forum exhibits such conduct, he will be

summarily banned. This will be stringently enforced.
Far more lenient standards have regularly been applied to

copwatchers, for the reason that they have extremely valid reasons
to be angry. None of us are here because we mysteriously
developed an antipathy for the police. All of us have been subjected
to unfair treatment, false arrest, persecution, abuse of power, or
some other form of police misconduct, and none of us are willing to
let the responsible parties escape unscathed.
However, raging and venting may make an individual copwatcher

feel better, but it hurts us in the aggregate. Applying lenient
standards of conduct to copwatchers has been seriously
counterproductive.
We want to vigorously propound our views and zealously advocate

for the superiority of those views over conflicting views. Doing so in
an effective manner requires us to be logical, reasonable, and
accessible.
Here on the Forum, one should never enter into an argument with a
cop with the intention or expectation of changing the cops mind.
The purpose of arguing on the Forum is to convince the lurkers, the
fencesitters, and the newbies that our position is correct. That
cannot be done if one is unduly crass, offensive, illogical, or hostile.
So in closing, Anthony, I hope that you will stick around.
Don't be put off by the dying remnants of the former forum culture.
Please send me a PM if you are subjected to unreasonable

"argumentation".
Thanks-
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04-11-2006 09:28 PM
6d wife Well if you honestly plan on cleaning this site up from some of the
Senior Member flamers I would be happy to be back and participate more. I guess I
will have to keep an eye over here then.
Posts: 137
04-12-2006 12:27 AM
cyclicdude I fully expect it to be biased here. I just don't expect to be raked

Junior Member over the coals when my opinion differs. It's impossible to have an
intelligent conversation on this forum, which is unfortunate. When
Registered: Aug 2005 someone asks a question, or God forbid, takes a stance that is
Location: opposite the "regulars", we are called "Cops", or accused of being a
Posts: 6
banned former member. Until this stops, this website will not be
able to actually help people that are looking for answers to the
abuse that some police wreak.
One thing remains true when I look at these forums: Rarely do I

see an admitted cop, an accused cop, or whatever the regulars
want to bill him as, be rude. The attacks come from the regulars.
They obviously run this board, and are allowed to post incredibly
immature comments.
But hey, I'm just a cop/cop lover/Mona/cop plant/etc/etc.
High time to bring some credability to this site, and this movement.
04-12-2006 02:09 AM

Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 I voted both.
Location:
Posts: 219 It forces accountability upon criminal swine and
bashes the scumbags behind the badges at the
same time.
And whats wrong with bashing cops? Ever hear

how thay talk about the taxpayers? It all comes
down to the old "you can dish it out but you can't
take it".
Personally I don't think it's the bashing that

bothers them. It's the attempt to force
accountability upon them that they can't handle.
How does it force accountability? Posting articles and then you

angrily posting about how corrupt they are will not make officers
act any differently. It only makes them view such activists as
uncredible, unable to have logical conversations, too biased to
trust, and inferior, often times created resentful emotions toward
them too.
How does that help the citizens of thsi country and how does
increase accountability?
04-12-2006 05:43 AM
L.E. Hero Mack, I don't beleive this garbage. You have allowed folks like
Senior Member Albert to delete many responses that aren't against any forum rules
simply because he was embarrassed by the nature of the reponse.
Location: Virginia This does encompass numerous posts that don't include any venom
Posts: 447 or namecalling on my part. I have noticed that this name calling is
perfectly OK as long as it is a moderator behind the insults.
Can one cop throw this forum into such a frezy that all moderators
automatically censor anything he says?
You betcha.
The way I see it, these guys are no different than the controlling
cops they bitch about. They are all birds of a feather.
I know firsthand as I recognize the behavior. It is not a simple act

on their part as they would have you beleive.
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04-12-2006 11:44 PM
duncan If you don't like our forum then go to pro copster forum.
Moderator
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04-13-2006 07:23 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Originally posted by duncan
If you don't like our forum then go to pro copster
forum.
Registered: Jul 2003 Much as I hate to say it, and much as I can identify with the
Location: sentiment, this is an example of a fundamentally unhelpful if not
Posts: 5215 counterproductive post.
It's far better to simply ignore the offending post, or to use it as a

springboard to illustrate an example of some undesirable conduct.
On the other hand, maybe that's been done to death already.
One of the problems with a forum of this nature is that many of the
arguments arise again and again in different contexts and with

different opponents.
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generally."

misconduct.
04-13-2006 07:42 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
[B]You have allowed folks like Albert to delete many
responses
I'm not intimately familiar with whatever facts are related to your
Registered: Jul 2003 claim, but assuming this is true, it's probably due to the posting of
Location: material which is of a personal nature. We're not going to tolerate
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cops posting personal material regarding our members.
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The way I see it, these guys are no different than the
controlling cops they bitch about.
This is a completely invalid comparison.
1) Cops are not forced into contact with us, and are free to leave at
any time. The same is not true when citizens are accosted by the
cops.
2) Cops aren't subject to arrest, detention, incarceration, and

deadly force by their (voluntary) interactions with this site. The
same is not true in reverse.
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You guys probably side with McKinney too.
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Originally posted by Mack
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This is a completely invalid comparison.
Location: Directly behind you 1) Cops are not forced into contact with us, and
Posts: 861 are free to leave at any time. The same is not true
when citizens are accosted by the cops.
2) Cops aren't subject to arrest, detention,

incarceration, and deadly force by their
(voluntary) interactions with this site. The same
is not true in reverse.
Excellent post.
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04-13-2006 08:39 PM

Mack quote:
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Comment lacks substance. Adds nothing to the conversation. A trite

Registered: Jul 2003 and simplistic statement of opposition.
Location:
Posts: 5215 In essence, it's disruptive.
Let me try again to explain what we're looking for from pro-cop
participants.
Courtesy. Introspection. A lack of disrespect. An effort to address

the substance of the subject being discussed.
This being a change in policy, it may be necessary to be quite

heavy-handed in coming days and weeks to ensure it is fully
adopted.
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6d wife Here is the overblown story I was referring to:

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McKinney says officer 'instigated' incident
Congresswoman's lawyer blames incident on race
From staff and wire reports

Published on: 03/31/06 Rep. Cynthia McKinney, the Georgia
congresswoman who had an altercation with a Capitol Police officer,
said Friday a Capitol police officer started the incident by
"inappropriately touching and stopping" her after she walked past a
security checkpoint.
McKinney, speaking at a news conference, declared she will be

exonerated.
"Let me be clear. This whole incident was instigated by the

inappropriate touching and stopping of me, a female black
congresswoman," McKinney said, surrounded by supporters at
predominantly black Howard University.
McKinney, a Democrat, declined to discuss the incident further since

she still may be charged for apparently striking the officer after she
entered a House office building this week unrecognized and did not
stop when asked.
Two law enforcement officials said it was unlikely a warrant would

be issued this week. They spoke on condition of anonymity because
they were not authorized to speak publicly.
Her lawyer, James W. Myart Jr., said, "Congresswoman Cynthia

McKinney, like thousands of average Americans across this country,
is, too, a victim of the excessive use of force by law enforcement
officials because of how she looks and the color of her skin."
"Ms. McKinney is just a victim of being in Congress while black,"

Myart said. "Congresswoman McKinney will be exonerated."
A spokeswoman for U.S. Capitol Police did not immediately return a

call seeking comment.
Capitol Hill police are expected to seek an arrest warrant next week
for McKinney, police and legal authorities said Thursday.
Officially, the investigation of the incident, in which the ******

County Democrat allegedly struck a police officer who tried to stop
her from going around a security checkpoint, is ongoing, said Sgt.
Kimberly Schneider, spokeswoman for Capitol Hill police.

However, police have notified the federal prosecutor's office in

Washington that they will be seeking an arrest warrant after the
investigation is complete next week, said police and legal
authorities, who spoke on the condition that they not be named
because the investigation was not yet complete.
McKinney ignored a reporter's questions Thursday as she walked

into the Capitol, before word of the planned arrest warrant. She
could not be reached for comment later Thursday.
In a statement released Wednesday, McKinney said, "I deeply

regret that the incident occurred."
McKinney's office had said she might hold a news conference Friday
morning in Washington, but that event was canceled. Another press
conference was reportedly scheduled for later Friday afternoon.
The U.S. attorney's office must approve any warrant before police
can take it to a judge for final approval. The prosecutor's office also
would have to notify the Justice Department because the warrant
would involve a sitting member of Congress.
Charges could range from assault on a police officer, a felony

carrying a possible five-year prison term, to simple assault, which is
a misdemeanor, police and legal officials said.
Capitol Hill police have viewed a security camera videotape of the

incident, which occurred in a House office building around 9 a.m.
Wednesday. However, one official familiar with the tape said it
doesn't clearly show what happened.
The tape, the official said, only shows McKinney walking around the
security checkpoint, which members of Congress are allowed to do.
It does not show her confrontation with the officer who, not
recognizing McKinney as a member of Congress, tried to stop her
and have her go through the metal detector. McKinney
acknowledged that she was not wearing the special lapel pin given
to the 435 House members to make them easier to identify.
Andy Maybo, head of the Capitol Hill chapter of the Fraternal Order
of Police, praised the officer involved in the incident, who has not
been identified.
The police union, he said, was "extremely proud of our officer. He

has upheld his duties and responsibilities in a professional manner,"
Maybo said. "He was correct in his actions and we support him 100
percent."
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), talking to

reporters Thursday, called the incident "a mistake," and said she
hoped the police and McKinney could settle the dispute.
Pelosi said it was understandable that an officer who didn't

recognize a member of Congress would try to stop her from going

around a checkpoint. But she added, "I can also understand that
members who have been here a long time think they're
recognizable. I wouldn't make a big deal of this."
Back home in McKinney's district, ****** County Commissioner

Hank Johnson, who plans to challenge her in this year's election,
said the incident was just further evidence that she was
undeserving of her office.
"For years, it's the people of the 4th District who have suffered and
been shortchanged because of our representative's behavior in
Congress," Johnson said in a statement. "It's why she is ineffective
in Congress."
But a number of people at South ****** Mall in the heart of

McKinney's district Thursday remained largely supportive.
"She is a good woman," said Andrew Hicks of ****** County. "I

will always support her, 100 percent."
Fred Maxwell, also of ******, agreed.
"Had she been one of the white persons, they would not have asked
for her ID," he said. "I still think the Republicans are trying to get
her out of office."
Steven McGhee of Atlanta said McKinney "damaged herself" in the

incident, but he's not counting her out.
"She lost her composure," he said. "But she will probably bounce
back. I would vote for her, because she is a fighter."
Wednesday's incident was not the first time a Capitol Hill police
officer failed to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress. Her
office on Thursday posted on her Web site a clip from a
documentary, "American Blackout," that features one such
encounter.
The clip first shows a black police officer recognizing McKinney and
welcoming her back to Congress in 2005, when she returned after a
two-year hiatus because of a 2002 re-election defeat. It then shows
a white officer approaching her and the filmmakers as they enter
the Capitol grounds, asking McKinney and the crew to identify
themselves. Told that McKinney is a member of Congress, the
officers backs off and starts apologizing.
"That's just the typical kind of treatment that I receive," McKinney

says on camera. "So I'm not surprised and I'm not offended."
In what she says is a quote from the late hip-hop artist Tupac
Shakur, she adds, "Some things never change."

Followed by several other instances of McKinney unashamedly

bashing the police, before the final chapter culminates in this:
McKinney Apologizes To House

Aides Subpoenaed In Scuffle Between Lawmaker, Officer
WASHINGTON -- U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., expressed

"sincere regret" Thursday for her altercation with a U.S. Capitol
Police officer, and offered an apology to the House.
"There should not have been any physical contact in this incident,"
McKinney said in brief remarks on the House floor. "I am sorry that
this misunderstanding happened at all and I regret its escalation
and I apologize."
McKinney's comments came after the case had been referred to a

federal grand jury for possible prosecution.
She had previously insisted she had done nothing wrong, and
accused police of "racial profiling." She is black and the police
officer is white.
The grand jury subpoenaed two Capitol Hill aides who saw what
happened. A statement from the two aides -- one works for a
Republican congressman and the other for a Democrat -- was read
into the House record Thursday morning. In it, the aides say a
congressional lawyer helped them determine that their compliance
with the subpoenas is "consistent with the precedents and
privileges of the House."
McKinney is accused of hitting an officer when he tried to stop her

from entering a congressional office building without passing
through security.
Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said race wasn't a factor.
Capitol Police have turned the case over to a federal prosecutor.
Its amazing really how much people despise the police even though
occasionally they may do a good job at thier job. I actually applaud
this cpital police officer for taking McKinneys verbal slander and
waiting untill he was cleared by the facts in a grand jury, to the
point that the hot tempered lady was brought to albiet a non
convinving appology.
And as I stated previously, I dont think this forum could hold

snyone responsible because of the reprehensible flamers that were

frequenting this site. I keep coming back though because on
occasion its interesting and enlightening to know what the people
who hate officers are mulling in thier minds.
I am sorry the earlier post was not completely consice, thats story
was all over the news.McKinney Apologizes To House
04-13-2006 09:31 PM
Mack Because courts and government buildings are public property to

Assistant Moderator which the public should have free access, politicians and judges
have no right to force their constituents to disarm themselves or
undergo a search of their person or property to gain entry.
Judges and politicians obviously feel threatened by the public at

large, and for good reason.
But instead of changing their conduct and thus ameliorating public

Registered: Jul 2003 outrage, they further inflame the public by enacting oppressive
Location: restrictions designed to preserve their power.
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It wouldn't be surprising if the pressure generated by such policies
could actually bring about an incident that could result in far more
deaths than they ever prevented.
I'm glad that McKinney was subjected to this treatment. It's no less
than the rest of us undergo on a daily basis.
I'd have been happier if she had been shot by the guard.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator ________________________________________
________________________________________
On what basis do you make that statement as a blanket

indictment? Isn't this the same sort of behavior you constantly
complain about from the other members of this forum? If you
take the time to even casually peruse other fora on this site,
you will no doubt find that the vast majority of this site's
members subscribe to political philosophies identifying them as
Location: Tucson, AZ
people who would consider the heated, hate-filled rhetoric that
Posts: 5865 is McKinney's signature in trade (as well as the behavior of
most of her colleagues) to be every bit as repugnant as the
alleged acts of misconduct by police officers around which this
site is based.
In the spirit of what Mack has been trying to convey in his last
several posts, we are in the process of trying to "clean house",
as it were, and change the tone of discussion to one that is civil
and focused. Granted, I admit that I myself have broken the
rules where this is concerned on more than one occasion, but if
it's civil discussion you want, let's start by making it apply to
both sides of the fence.
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powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." -
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"And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with

the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive
silence of good police officers that makes possible the ever-
accumulating atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman
Grigg
"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its
freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that
it values more, it will lose that too.
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04-14-2006 11:28 AM

GC Marciano quote:
Mack, I don't beleive this garbage. You have
allowed folks like Albert to delete many
responses that aren't against any forum rules
simply because he was embarrassed by the
nature of the reponse.

Any posts of your that have been deleted were deleted due to
Posts: 9967 your blatant disregard of the forum rules.
Follow the rules and you shouldn't have a problem. If you need
a refresher, the rules can be found here.
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GC Marciano quote:
How does it force accountability?
It helps force accountability by further exposing the truth about

scumbag badge carriers.
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04-14-2006 01:06 PM
liberranter A New Opinion Poll?

Super Moderator
Maybe it's time for a new opinion poll:
"Should police officers be held accountable for upholding /

enforcing laws that are clearly in violation of the Constitution (U.
S. or that of the state in which they reside)?"
Granted, this might be considered an unfair question for two

reasons:
1. Cops don't (supposedly) make laws, they are only charged

Location: Tucson, AZ with enforcing them.
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2. While there are exceptions, cops generally don't read or
understand, let alone respect or obey, the U.S. or state
constitutions they swear an oath to uphold and defend.
For those who object to the question as I originally worded it,

another way to restate it for the benefit of any honest cops out
there who aspire to respect, uphold and truly understand the
law (as distinguished from "legislation") would be:
"Should police officers be penalized by their superiors or the

courts for conscientiously refusing to enforce/uphold laws that
they recognize as clearly being in violation of the Constitution
(U.S. or that of the state in which they reside)?"
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04-14-2006 01:39 PM
GC Marciano Excellent poll idea.

The poll is posted here.
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04-14-2006 03:43 PM
Mack Re: A New Opinion Poll?

Assistant Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by liberranter

Maybe it's time for a new opinion poll

Location: Great points in both your posts above, Liberranter.
Posts: 5215
Some other issues related to this are included among the Copwatch
police-reform agenda. For example:
quote:

THE RIGHT TO VIOLENTLY RESIST FALSE ARREST

(A) Formally reaffirm the traditional right of citizens to
use proportional force, (up to and including deadly
force), to resist false or unlawful arrest. While this long-
recognized common-law right is still available in some
states, in others it has been removed by judicial fiat or
by legislatures which are controlled by police-state
pawns.
(B) Most of the courts which have disallowed this right,
(and many other important common-law rights as
well), are composed of judges who subscribe to the
"judicial activist" philosophy, which holds that (a)
judges are de facto legislators rather than impartial
arbiters, and (b) that the Constitution is a "living,
breathing document" that does not contain any
objective meaning, and is therefore amenable to
bizarre, authoritarian, pro-government interpretations
which are wholly unfounded in logic, rationality, history,
fact, or law. Judges whose decisions reflect this
treasonous philosophy should never be re-elected or re-
appointed, since they pose a tremendous threat to our
rights and freedoms, which are legally guaranteed only
by the self-same Constitution that they claim contains
no definitive meaning.
(Work toward these objectives on the local, state, and
federal levels).
REMOVE THE PROFIT MOTIVE FROM LAW

ENFORCEMENT
(A) Prohibit all governmental entities from utilizing law-
enforcement activities, (including but not limited to the
issuance of speeding tickets and parking tickets), as a
source of revenue (i.e. the revenue generated by law
enforcement may not exceed the cost of law
enforcement). The "cost of law enforcement" cannot be
defined to include prosecutorial entities or the judiciary.
(B) Prohibit all police entities from receiving any
revenue generated by any law-enforcement activities.
(C) Prohibit all police entities from receiving any funds
which are calculated as a percentage or multiple of the
revenue generated by law-enforcement activities.
(Work toward this objective on the local, state, and
federal level).
PENALIZE MALICIOUS PROSECUTION

If a citizen is charged with either a civil or criminal
offense by a prosecuting authority or its agent, and
those charges are ultimately defeated or dismissed,
then the prosecuting authority is required to reimburse
the defendant for all legal expenses arising from the
institution of those charges.
(Work toward this objective on the state and federal

level).
PROHIBIT PROSECUTORIAL WITNESS TAMPERING,

BRIBERY, AND BLACKMAIL
Prohibit all prosecuting authorities from coercing
testimony from potential witnesses in exchange for
reduced sentences.
(Work toward this objective on the state and federal
level).
http://www.copwatch.org/reforms
I think it's impossible, unfortunately, to hold cops legally liable for

enforcing laws which are on the books. They are of course morally
accountable, but to impose legal liability on them without also
imposing it on the politicians who enacted the law and the judges
who impose the sentences seems inherently unworkable.
I'm very much in favor of using deadly force (if necessary) to resist
a false arrest. That imposes the ultimate liability on the cop, and
justly so.
If more people would do that, then the cops would start to exercise
more discretion in deciding whether to enforce bogus laws.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Excellent poll idea.
Thanks, Al. It should be interesting to see what range of

responses this prompts.
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04-14-2006 03:59 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
[Cops] are of course morally accountable, but to
impose legal liability on them without also imposing
it on the politicians who enacted the law and the
judges who impose the sentences seems inherently
unworkable.
I absolutely agree. The accountability of legislators,

Location: Tucson, AZ prosecutors, and judges for keeping content and scope of the
Posts: 5865 laws and their enforcement to within the confines of the state
and federal constitutions goes hand in hand with holding cops
accountable at the street level for the same thing. You're right;
it's an uphill battle, but one that I believe MUST be fought.
While I could start a whole other thread on this, I'll just say that
the root of the problem, I think, is highlighted in that portion of

the COPWATCH platform that mentions the "activist" judiciary.

Courts and judges are supposed to be impartial arbitors of
disputes between citizens and the State. In practice,
unfortunately, this does not work for the simple reason that the
State itself owns and controls the machinery of justice [sic].
Unless and until a resolution to this problem is found, we'll
continue down the path to anarcho-tryanny that we're already
traveling at warp speed.
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04-14-2006 04:47 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
In practice, unfortunately, this does not work for
the simple reason that the State itself owns and
controls the machinery of justice [sic]

Location: This can most clearly and frequently be seen in the disposition of
Posts: 5215 moving violations/speeding tickets/traffic infractions.
In my state, no prosecutor is even required to appear: the judge

performs double-duty as de-facto prosecutor and decision maker.
In many states, the revenue thus generated goes directly to the

court's "overhead".
Nothing could be further from an impartial, unbiased tribunal.
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04-14-2006 06:12 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 It helps force accountability by further exposing
Location: the truth about scumbag badge carriers.
Posts: 219
Really? How does that process happen? How does it go from an

angry rant to an officer being more careful about what he does? I
just don't see it.
04-14-2006 06:29 PM
GC Marciano There's a lot that you choose not to see, Anthony.

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04-14-2006 06:51 PM
Anthony Well, explain it. Lay it out all in the open.

Senior Member
Most of the stuff here is stuff that's already been printed in the
Registered: Mar 2005 newspaper, so obviously someone's already aware of it. Making
Location: people who are already heated up about cops aware of new stories
Posts: 219 doesn't help much either.
Since people with more power or even most regular citizens won't
stick around the site to read ramblings and hate messages and
people slamming each other back and forth, then you're not really
spreading the word in an effective way either.
And you know the cops themselves aren't going to start acting
differently simply because of what they perceive to be a hate site is
posting stories and ranting.
Seriously, I don't see how it increases accountability on the

individual police officer level.
04-14-2006 10:41 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Most of the stuff here is stuff that's already
been printed in the newspaper, so obviously
someone's already aware of it.
While I realize that you would wish to keep stories of officer

misconduct and criminal activity as quiet as possible, it is mere
common sense that says the more extensive the publishing, the
Posts: 9967 more extensive the readership.
The more people hear about what the police community is really
up to, the less they will stand for it.
quote:

Seriously, I don't see how it increases
accountability on the individual police officer
level.
It doesn't, that's almost impossible to do. It does however,

increase accountabilty for the LE community as a whole by

further informing the people of the truth.
Sorry if it is in conflict with your agenda...
quote:

And you know the cops themselves aren't
going to start acting differently simply
because of what they perceive to be a hate
site is posting stories and ranting.
Of course not. If they disregard the laws and disregard the

Constitution, why would anybody think a simple website would
cause them to act any differently?
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04-15-2006 02:57 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 Well, explain it. Lay it out all in the open.
Location:
Posts: 2869 Most of the stuff here is stuff that's already been
printed in the newspaper, so obviously someone's
already aware of it. Making people who are
already heated up about cops aware of new
stories doesn't help much either.
Since people with more power or even most

regular citizens won't stick around the site to
read ramblings and hate messages and people
slamming each other back and forth, then you're

not really spreading the word in an effective way

either.
And you know the cops themselves aren't going

to start acting differently simply because of what
they perceive to be a hate site is posting stories
and ranting.
Seriously, I don't see how it increases

accountability on the individual police officer
level.
You see Tony when you tell people that cops beat up an old blind
lady (tase, pepper spray, kick, punch) until her eyeball falls out
they just don't buy it.
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=66687
But when cops see the story they say that they were just doing
their job, carrying out the law.
Then when you have tens of thousands of cases like that from
every city in America on dozens of sites, it helps awaken people to
the fact that we have no Freedom and cops are against citizens in
every possible way. It makes people realize that you fucqing
criminals are everywhere. And some citizens aren't going to let it
continue.
Like this e-mail I sent to over a hundred people and shared with
dozens of radio stations and newspapers.
Police arrested them for taking sexually explicit

photos.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45477
YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK
Baby yanked from couple

for kisses on belly button
Family goes through 'nightmare' scenario as state

claimed photos sexual assault
Posted: July 27, 2005

4:15 p.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The ordeal is finally over, but for the past year, a

North Carolina family has been torn apart after state
officials claimed family photos of a father kissing
his baby's belly button were some kind of child abuse.
It began when Teresa Hamaty took impromptu party

snapshots of her husband, Charbel, playfully embracing
their naked, newborn son, Kristoff.
After dropping the film off at an Eckerd store in

North Raleigh, authorities were notified.
"You see the back of the baby, and like if someone is

kissing the baby's belly button," Teresa told WRAL-TV.
But police saw the worst and arrested Teresa for

taking sexually explicit photos, charged her husband
with felony sexual assault, and put Kristoff and his
half-sister in protective custody.
"It was a nightmare," Charbel said, after spending

half a year in jail.
Teresa took months fighting to gain back custody of

her children.
"I think this was one of those times that they got the
wrong people," Teresa said. "They were too quick to
judge when they took one look at my husband."
Dozens of Hamaty supporters showed up for court

appearances, claiming police overreacted. They raised
some $140,000 in legal and living expenses for the
Hamatys.
"[It] makes me feel, that's it – that's why I have to

be strong for – to show everybody what the truth is,"
Charbel told the station.
The charges eventually were dropped when a report

submitted by an expert said there was no criminal
intent in the pictures.
"I hate cameras," Charbel now says. "I don't like

taking pictures."
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See stories like these, that shread the Constituion
4 adults, 3 were cops cant handle 6 year old, they

tase him.
Cops taser pregnant woman in stomach for loud music.
Man arrested for wearing 'peace' T-shirt in the same

mall he bought the shirt in.
Man arrested for not leaving a tip.
Student arrested for bringing steel scissors to

school.
Woman Arrested For Chewing candy.
7 year old arrested for plastic 1 inch knife at

school.
Cop tase 86 year old woman to correct her behavior.
8-year-old Arrested, taken to adult jail For throwing

basketball at another kid.
61-year grandmother hauled off in

handcuffs for growing her hedges too high.
Girl visiting NYC during the Republican Convention,

NOT a protester, gets thrown into a makeshift prison.
(Thousands of people not associated with the
protesters were arrested.)
Jr. high school student arrested for having steak

knife in lunch box.
Eat a candy bar or french fry, go to jail

Woman Appears In Court For Eating Candy At Metro
Station.
Cop shots 80+ year old man in wheelchair with bean bag
shotgun because of his aggressive manner.
People/children being arrested and detained with

handcuffs for eating candy in Washington, D.C., subway
stations.
Schoolteacher hauled off cruise ship for not paying a

fine for leaving marshmallows at a Yellowstone
campsite. Judge finds she actually did pay the fine in
the first place.
Cops taz, hit, pepper spray, and kick 71 blind woman

until her eyeball falls out, because she had an unkept

yard.
Charges against a Vietnam-era veteran who flew an

American
flag upside down to protest the war in Iraq.
Pregnant Woman Arrested For Talking Too Loudly on

Cellphone.
7 year old with paper gun put in jail.
Students tased for not talking to cops.
Kids skip school, parents go to jail.
Young student arrested for Lego gun.
Student arrested at school for nail clippers.
Man jailed over house extension.
Police brutalize nonviolent protesters.
High school honor student arrested and held for 4 inch

nail file.
Judge witnesses cops commit hundreds of felonies. They

beat up hand cuffed, downed non violent protesters.
3rd grader arrested for disorderly conduct.
Shopping protesters arrested for "nothing."
Family members arrested and tased at wedding for being

to loud.
Marlins fan spends a night in jail for curfew

violation A deputy didn't think the game was a good excuse.
Woman Wearing 'President Bush You Killed My Son'

T-shirt arrested.
Jr. high school kids arrested and tased for food

fight.
9th grader tased for doing cart wheels and flips when
she had been ordered to stop.
15-year-veteran officer used his Taser on a

12-year-old girl who was playing hooky from school.
$185 fine for dropping a sunflower seed.
Woman arrested for talking too loud in public.

Man gets arrested for giving a cop a documentary tape.
Student, 27 said she saw police throw one protester's

glasses in the busy street. ''He was begging them to
give him his glasses,''
Hurt veteran arrested by Homeland Security as a

terrorist for calling the VA to much.
Wrong House gets SWATED, beat up 50 year old and

arrest him.
Cops Taser 14-Year-Old Who Wouldn't Drop Game Boy.
Cops tackle and pepper spray protesters walking

backwards with their hands held high chanting, "We are
Dispersing, We are Dispersing".
Cop uses taser on 7 year old school girl.
Detroit officer severs woman's finger, trying to cuff

her for traffic stop.
Cops pepper spray infants faces, held in mothers arms

at non violent protests.
A teacher's weighted bookmark gets her arrested and

charged with carrying a concealed weapon.
Woman arrested on domestic violence for calling her

boyfriend "offensive names and throwing baby wipes" at
him. also charged with child abuse for holding child
while throwing the wipes.
Police arrest 8-year-old after scuffle with another

8-year old. Boy handcuffed, charged with battery. Both
boys were not hurt.
Domestic violence case. Throw a crayon, go to jail.
A deputy used pepper spray on a 12-year-old girl and

wrestled her to the ground when she ignored orders to
stop jaywalking.
Television pictures of a policeman punching a child in

the face. Police attempted to deal with a picket
staged by fishermen and their families. The footage
shows a policeman involved in angry exchanges As the
argument continues, the policeman advances and punches
the child in the face.
Man who shot police beating video arrested.
Have a costume/replica musket at school play, get

arrested and go to jail.

Peaceful protester, get pepper shot and beat up by

cops.
Student goes to jail after saying prayer at prep rally

when principle tells him not too.
Old, confused, arthritic 75 year old woman visiting a

friend at a nursing home, get tasered by cops to help
her leave.
Police Use Taser To Subdue Wheelchair-Bound Man.
It didn't take any time at all to find these stories.

They are in the papers every single day. If you want
the original link or more on the details, I and others
have posted them at www.copwatch.com There is no
trickery or cop frame ups, they are all documented and
show how our freedom is stripped everyday. 95% of
these abuses happened within the last 12 months.
See how it works......Tony! Education and informing people will help

change the current system and may help us all live with the
Freedom our forfathers intended us to have.
And it may also help document for lawsuits when we sue your
department and yourself personally for violating our rights.
04-15-2006 03:08 AM

cyclicdude Yep. Go figure. For the first time that I've seen, an intelligent
Junior Member conversation was being held in this forum. Now, it's toast.
Registered: Aug 2005 Anyone can post news stories, let alone dozens of them. Anyone
Location: can post generalizations. If you really think that the issues can be
Posts: 6 blamed on ALL cops, you are a fool. Seems to me that the good
cops out there had better be encouraged about the job that they
are doing, and people should be shown HOW to go about changing
the system. People come here for help, answers, and support. So
far, all that is being preached here is HATE , and that all cops are
bad. Obviously, this approach does not work.
Mack, it seems like you are really working at this, it's too bad that
you have a couple of the "Moderators" that seem to be holding the
progress back.
04-16-2006 02:47 AM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
an intelligent conversation was being held in this
forum. Now, it's toast.
How does the posting of additional examples degrade the purpose

Registered: Jul 2003 of the forum? Both Al and XT gave excellent explanations, and you
Location: characterize their contributions as detracting from the efficacy of
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the site? I don't follow your logic.
quote:
Anyone can post generalizations.
As we've seen time and time again, generalizations are generally

true.
quote:
If you really think that the issues can be blamed on ALL

cops, you are a fool. Seems to me that the good cops
out there had better be encouraged about the job that
they are doing, and people should be shown HOW to go
about changing the system.

Who is in the best position to change police culture and conduct?

The police themselves. Cops work with bad cops on a daily basis,
and yet do nothing to ensure that the bad cops are removed from
the force. Don't blame us for doing everything we can to encourage
a change in the status quo.
quote:
all that is being preached here is HATE
OH, NO, not HATE!!! Anything but THAT! PLEASE don't accuse us of
such a heinous and inexcusable crime! We'll be shunned, and
ridiculed, and condemned by the ladies of the View!
But seriously, you've provided us with yet another example of the

insidious goofiness of the criminal justice system.
My hate is pure. My hate is good. Hate is not a crime- it's just an

emotion. An emotion that provides much-needed motivation to act.
quote:
Obviously, this approach does not work.
What approach would work better? We're open to suggestions.
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Anthony quote:
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Registered: Mar 2005 While I realize that you would wish to keep
Location: stories of officer misconduct and criminal activity
Posts: 219 as quiet as possible,
Sigh, A. Shemonia, is it possible for you to post without accusing

people? It seems that's all I ever see here, be it about having poor
education, about being a cop, promoting whatever conspiracy
you're into. It's honestly hard to have a productive conversation
this way.
I addressed a few points in advance in my last post explaining why

just posting stories here in the way people have been doing with
the angry rants.
Really, it's so hard to get anywhere productive here.
04-16-2006 05:00 AM
Anthony Seriously Shemona, address the points if you truly believe this is
Senior Member the way to go. You're a big presence on this site, so the types of
posts people see will influence others.
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04-18-2006 04:33 AM
Anthony I don't mean to truly antagonize here, but I'd really like to hear
Senior Member more on these views from people like Shemona and Duncan who
have been very vocal in the past and obviously strong presences on
Registered: Mar 2005 this board.
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04-23-2006 06:43 AM

GC Marciano My views are widely posted across these forums. What exactly
Copwatcher Extraordinaire is it you would like to hear?
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04-23-2006 09:18 AM
Anthony Well, you don't seem to do a lot of angry ranting and out of
Senior Member controlling name calling, and extreme theories on LE...at least not
ones I've noticed (I don't read the whole site). Shemona said that
Registered: Mar 2005 style increases accountability...but never explained.
Location:
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04-23-2006 06:20 PM
duncan If the forum isn't of any concern to copsters then why do so many
Moderator of them register here to read the forum contents and by so doing
give us recognition.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Why are they so obsssed with one man?
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Fear.
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Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 If the forum isn't of any concern to copsters then
Location: why do so many of them register here to read the
Posts: 219 forum contents and by so doing give us
recognition.
Why are they so obsssed with one man?
I doubt the consistent returning cop visitor population is very high.

I'd say it's less that 0.01% of cops....MUCH MUCH less.
So, I don't see how that could worry them into accountability, EVEN
for the few return visitors...How does angry ranting and slurring at
every opportunity increase the mentioned responsibility?
One man? Huh? I was directing toward you because you're one of
those vocal voices who seems to support the behavior I that I
believe is counterproductive if one truly cares about change...I'm
looking for an explanation on how it accomplishes it.
04-24-2006 11:26 PM
Mack Anthony:
Assistant Moderator
Why don't you give us some suggestions as to how you think
beneficial changes could be most easily effectuated?
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Anthony quote:
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Registered: Mar 2005 Anthony:
Location:
Posts: 219 Why don't you give us some suggestions as to
how you think beneficial changes could be most
easily effectuated?
I'm not an expert, but increasing the population of this site with
professionals with good reputations who can interact with and bring
in the public still in an empathetic way, but in a professional way.
To keep "quality" members here, you have to make them feel like
you're people who can actually help them and are doers, rather
than just angry people ranting about wrong-doings. That was my
first impression of this site.
This might also help cops spend more time on this site. They're
probably not going to be fans and probably still dismiss the site, but
not in the same way they do now.
Change the overall vibe of this place. Make other people interested
in stopping police misconduct want to stay and become a regular.
At first glance if I wanted people helping me through a police
misconduct issue as a civilian I might have more confidence in a
cooking message board than this one.
We need more SELF-control (THAT kind of control IS necessary for

success), Logic (the kind that will be accepted by most people...aka
not the kind of logic I heard when someone here was arguing even
good cops are violating our Constitutional b/c Supreme Court
wasn't written into the Constitution or something or other),
credibility (by limiting grossly biased claims..."all cops are swine" or
the like...even if I'm talking to a medical doctor, those kinds of
emotional generalizations would set off alarms), etc.
Maybe put links to any online reporting systems (if they exist?), DA
offices, emails of city managers (or whoever oversees PDs)...I don't
know...the mods and regulars should be plannings things out long-
term.
One key thing, though, is trying to understand why cops do things.

Even if the reasons are ones you don't like, understand the
psychology and sociology behind it...or you can spend decades on
this website and cause very little change.
Mack is doing a good job at exploring new ways of running this site.
We won't agree on most things, but I feel we at least understand
each other more after discussions on these boards.

04-25-2006 03:25 AM
GC Marciano I have to admit... those are some good points and I completely
Copwatcher Extraordinaire agree.
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Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
I'm not an expert, but increasing the population
of this site with professionals with good
reputations who can interact with and bring in
the public still in an empathetic way, but in a
professional way.

Location:
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I agree.
quote:
To keep "quality" members here, you have to make

them feel like you're people who can actually help them
and are doers, rather than just angry people ranting
about wrong-doings.
I completely agree.
quote:

This might also help cops spend more time on this site.
They're probably not going to be fans and probably still
dismiss the site, but not in the same way they do now.
I agree yet again.
quote:
Change the overall vibe of this place.
Happening even as we type. Who are the idiots who claim that
tolerance is a good thing? Sure didn't prove to be so here.
INtolerance is the word of the day. Knee-jerk antagonism is totally
counterproductive.
quote:
At first glance if I wanted people helping me through a

police misconduct issue as a civilian I might have more
confidence in a cooking message board than this one.
Poor Martha Stewart might actually have some insights...
quote:
We need more SELF-control
Even if I don't agree with all of your views, I'm glad to see you
using "we". The more the merrier. A mutual-admiration society is
pretty much useless, at least without action.
quote:
limiting grossly biased claims..."all cops are swine"
Amen to that. Everyone listening here?
quote:
Maybe put links to any online reporting systems (if they

exist?)

www.copwatch.org/copwatch I think it needs a couple of bugfixes.
quote:
DA offices, emails of city managers (or whoever

oversees PDs)
Good idea.
quote:
trying to understand why cops do things. Even if the

reasons are ones you don't like, understand the
psychology and sociology behind it
As they say, "Know the enemy".
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liberranter Anthony:
Super Moderator
Great suggestions all!
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04-25-2006 10:35 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 To keep "quality" members here, you have to
Location: make them feel like you're people who can
Posts: 2869 actually help them and are doers, rather than just
angry people ranting about wrong-doings. That
was my first impression of this site.
Well it would be nice if you and your co-criminals would stop

hurting and killing innocent citizens while pretending to preform a
public service.
You blaming us for hurting your feelings by ranting is a joke.
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04-25-2006 02:18 PM

GC Marciano Another good point.

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Well it would be nice if you and your co-criminals
would stop hurting and killing innocent citizens
Registered: Aug 2005 while pretending to preform a public service.
Posts: 861 You blaming us for hurting your feelings by
ranting is a joke.
Thanks XT... I just could not seem to put it into words myself. You
summed up all that I wanted to post and did so quite concisely.
Thank you!
(And I will give an AMEN to your post.)
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Anthony
Senior Member
quote:
Location: Originally posted by xtratabasco
Posts: 219
Well it would be nice if you and your co-criminals
would stop hurting and killing innocent citizens
while pretending to preform a public service.
You blaming us for hurting your feelings by

ranting is a joke.
Once again, you're missing the point. This isn't about doing stuff to
each other. I'm not saying to have self-control because you'll hurt
my feelings, I'm saying to have it because it'll bring in other allies.
You guys are marginalizing yourself from mainstream anti police
misconduct supporters with a lot of the stuff posted here.
Say I'm the leader or some civil rights group and visit the site. Am I
more likely to stay if while scanning through some random threas I
see A) Overly emotional angry responses to logical points,
antagonizing, desparate sounding insults that seem like you're
trying to get a rise out of your opponnent in an argument . . . or B)
They see logical and insightful discussion about the current state of
affairs and plausible brainstorming of solutions and a professional
exchange of information and personal experiences ???
Geeze guys, some people here have such similar mentalities to

those you complain about. Butting heads isn't going to get you
much further. I swear first graders understand this concept better
(and I know, I work with them). Start doing this kind of self-
analysis on your own...why do *I* have to point this stuff out? I'm
not even as motivated as a lot of you guys. Not everyone's like
this, but I sure see it a lot on this site.
If you want to stop this misconduct, don't say please stop...those

people probably aren't on these sites. Prepare yourselves and this
site to do something about it.

04-25-2006 05:33 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Once again, you're missing the point.
I think he nailed the point perfectly. While I agree with your

previous suggestions, the sole purpose of this site is well
summed up in XT's post.
Registered: Jul 2003 This website is not intended to serve as a rehab for crooked
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police officers, and I could care less about drawing them in. If
neither the Constitution or the Law does not keep cops from
committing such crimes, what would make you think that a
forum full of friendly, apologetic copwatchers would make a
difference?
The purpose of this site is to further expose the crooked

members of law enforcement as well as provide support to their
victims and educate those who have not yet fallen victim to
them.
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I'm saying to have it because it'll bring in other
Registered: Jul 2003 allies
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If I am an anarchist and everyone else who comes here is not then

of course there is no one to ally with. A statist wants his or her own
version of policing. I recognize the fact that no kind of policing
works as what ever is started eventaully evolves into a police state
as the state will always want more power.
The best solution is no copsters at all. With this in mind then of

course there is nothing we can agree on.
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Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 If I am an anarchist and everyone else who
Location: comes here is not then of course there is no one
Posts: 219 to ally with. A statist wants his or her own
version of policing. I recognize the fact that no
kind of policing works as what ever is started
eventaully evolves into a police state as the state
will always want more power.
The best solution is no copsters at all. With this in

mind then of course there is nothing we can

agree on.
While YOUR overall goal is different, you couldn't use allies in

fighting police misconduct still going on now (on the way to
reaching your overall goal)???
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Mack quote:
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Originally posted by GC505
This website is not intended to serve as a rehab
for crooked police officers, and I could care less
about drawing them in.
Registered: Jul 2003 We couldn't rehab crooked cops even if we wanted, but I sure
Location: wouldn't mind if we drew them in. As we've seen from some of the
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more intemperate posts by bad cops, they don't have much self-
control. It's educational and entertaining to interact with them, at
least in cyberland. And it sometimes gives us a chance to engage in
some more in-depth inquiries.
Plus I think it's tedious to discuss things in an echo chamber.
quote:
The purpose of this site is to further expose the

crooked members of law enforcement as well as
provide support to their victims and educate those who
have not yet fallen victim to them.
Amen to that. But one of the ways we can do that is by inviting bad
cops here to serve as specimens.
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xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 We couldn't rehab crooked cops even if we
Location: wanted, but I sure wouldn't mind if we drew
Posts: 2869 them in. As we've seen from some of the more
intemperate posts by bad cops, they don't have
much self-control. It's educational and
entertaining to interact with them, at least in
cyberland. And it sometimes gives us a chance to
engage in some more in-depth inquiries.
Plus I think it's tedious to discuss things in an

echo chamber.
Amen to that. But one of the ways we can do that

is by inviting bad cops here to serve as
specimens.
specimens????? ok.....kind of entertaining??? not really. My family

didnt enjoy their ways of thinking and to have them try to explain
themselfs here is not really a popcorn event.
We all know cops have major social and emotional problems, that
has been documented tens of thousands of times over here, just
ask Nav1
This site needs a better search engine and data base to help fellow
victims of criminal cops with thier lawsuits, but if you want to
debate with these evil Hitleresq men, invite away. I promote this
site to FREEDOM FIGHTERS ONLY. I already know what the cops
have to say.
A spell checker would also help me and others use the site more
eficentlly.
Al had one on his rusted badge, ask him. Im sure it aint rocket
science.
04-26-2006 05:04 AM

GC Marciano quote:
A spell checker would also help me and others
use the site more eficentlly.
Al had one on his rusted badge, ask him. Im
sure it aint rocket science.
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xtratabasco quote:
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Registered: Jul 2004 We couldn't rehab crooked cops even if we
Location: wanted, but I sure wouldn't mind if we drew
Posts: 2869 them in. As we've seen from some of the more
intemperate posts by bad cops, they don't have
much self-control. It's educational and
entertaining to interact with them, at least in
cyberland. And it sometimes gives us a chance to
engage in some more in-depth inquiries.
Plus I think it's tedious to discuss things in an

echo chamber.
Amen to that. But one of the ways we can do that

is by inviting bad cops here to serve as
specimens.
I hope that this site is not boring you into seeking the fuzz for a lift
and debating purposes, victims dont care about these debates.
I personally send articles and information on this site to a lot of

people interested in FREEDOM and those that fight criminal cops.
But, sadley, some people are afraid to register to a copwatch site,

just read the Patriot Act.
Jim can add something to this, Im sure.
04-26-2006 05:53 AM
JmE Again, I think XT is pretty much on the money.

Senior Member
This will not be an eloquent post and will most likely smack of
'tinfoil-hat-ism'.
Registered: Aug 2005 I used to hate LE in the deepest of ways. I grew somewhat out of it
Location: Directly behind you and could at least tolerate them for the most part since I moved to
Posts: 861 an area where they are pretty decent. Sadly, even the little oasis of
pseudo-freedom in which I live could not insulate me from the plain
truth that our nation is indeed a police state, probably in its infancy
compared to others, but one none the less.
When this police state of ours is finished focusing around the globe
(and after pissing off about every other nation in the process) they
will turn their ever draconian laws and practices on us, the very

people of this nation.
Believing this and upon serious reflection, I am not sure how much
debate I can stomach or even want with most SOLs. Indeed, I am
pretty sure I have returned to the level of hate again. So screw
'em. They have a job to do. Do it within the scope of citizen's rights
and stop whining about how 'dangerous' it is. If it is too dangerous
to do without violating obvious individual rights, stop blaming it on
the criminals, courts, or lawmakers. Man up and find a new damn
job!
I imagine it is linked to that frog in the increasingly hot water

concept. It all depends on how hot you sense the water to be. Well,
this little froggy feels it is very hot and of like mind with my brave
friend Xtra... I think it is time to jump, not debate with the cook.
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04-26-2006 09:23 AM
JmE I am changing my position here lately... so, much of what I am

Senior Member likely to post in the future might contradict some of my earlier
posts.
quote:
Location: Directly behind you Originally posted by Anthony
Posts: 861
Once again, you're missing the point. This isn't
about doing stuff to each other. I'm not saying to
have self-control because you'll hurt my feelings,
I'm saying to have it because it'll bring in other
allies. You guys are marginalizing yourself from
mainstream anti police misconduct supporters
with a lot of the stuff posted here.

I really don't want cops for allies. I am marginalized from

mainstream and glad of it. "Mainstream", IMHO, does not see LE for
what it is... a dangerous, out of control domestic terror force in the
making. As such, I am glad my eyes are open. I would not want to
be as ignorant of individual rights and as willing to sacrifice my
freedom in the name of safety as "mainstream".
quote:

Say I'm the leader or some civil rights group and
visit the site. Am I more likely to stay if while
scanning through some random threas I see A)
Overly emotional angry responses to logical
points, antagonizing, desparate sounding insults
that seem like you're trying to get a rise out of
your opponnent in an argument . . . or B) They
see logical and insightful discussion about the
current state of affairs and plausible
brainstorming of solutions and a professional
exchange of information and personal
experiences ???
Say I am the Queen of Great Britain... you are not a 'leader of

some civil rights group'; you are a representative of one of the
wolves and we are the sheep. No, this sheep does not really give a
hoot about what the wolf wants!
quote:

Geeze guys, some people here have such similar
mentalities to those you complain about. Butting
heads isn't going to get you much further. I
swear first graders understand this concept
better (and I know, I work with them). Start
doing this kind of self-analysis on your own...why
do *I* have to point this stuff out? I'm not even
as motivated as a lot of you guys. Not
everyone's like this, but I sure see it a lot on this
site.
You complain of insults and bury them in your reply. I too have and
continue to work with children, so what?!?! You are a fascist
sympathizer and wanting to debate... all the while promoting gun
locks and a whole host of other garbage that is contrary to freedom
in the name of 'safety'. Don't ask me to list them or debate them or

give a damn about what you think about it. It is just plain wrong
and YOU need to see it, not the rest of us. If you do not, that is
your problem. This site wakes people up. If it shocks their
sensibilities in the process, well the truth is a light too bright for
some to stand I guess.
quote:

If you want to stop this misconduct, don't say
please stop...those people probably aren't on
these sites. Prepare yourselves and this site to do
something about it.
There, is likely the difference. Some of us (myself included) know it

will not stop until we, the people, stop it; by force if necessary.
Debate is not going to change it. It is best to bring it into the light,
with all its ugliness and evil; to the attention of people, not change
the Gestapo. No, I have no interest in pleading with Nazis, my
interest is in informing those people that have yet to be rounded up
and mistreated or killed by LE.
You have done one good turn for me, Anthony. You have reminded
me of why it is not productive to try to engage LE or its
sympathizers in debate. It is pointless. Many on this site tried to
warn me of this fact early in my posting. It took me this long to
realize; they were correct.
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04-26-2006 09:53 AM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
When this police state of ours is finished
focusing around the globe (and after pissing
off about every other nation in the process)
they will turn their ever draconian laws and
practices on us, the very people of this nation.

Location: Tucson, AZ Will turn...? They've already turned them on us, my good friend
Posts: 5865 (the misnamed PATRIOT Act is just a warm-up act). It's just a
matter of how quickly they'll ratchet up the pressure,
particularly after they're sent packing, tails tucked between
their legs, from impoverished, but proud countries around the
globe fed up with their imperial bull****. Once they don't have
the option of picking on the defenseless third-world poor, they'll
take ALL of their aggression out on the sheeple at home, no
holds barred. We ain't seen nothin' yet.
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04-26-2006 11:01 AM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
Will turn...? They've already turned them on us,
my good friend (the misnamed PATRIOT Act is
Registered: Aug 2005 just a warm-up act). It's just a matter of how
Location: Directly behind you quickly they'll ratchet up the pressure,
Posts: 861 particularly after they're sent packing, tails
tucked between their legs, from impoverished,
but proud countries around the globe fed up with
their imperial bull****. Once they don't have the
option of picking on the defenseless third-world
poor, they'll take ALL of their aggression out on
the sheeple at home, no holds barred. We ain't
seen nothin' yet.
I was trying to be generous.
See the first quote in my signature line. I agree with you.
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04-26-2006 11:06 AM

Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by JmE am marginalized from
Registered: Mar 2005 mainstream and glad of it. "Mainstream", IMHO, does
Location: not see LE for what it is... a dangerous, out of control
Posts: 219 domestic terror force in the making. As such, I am glad
my eyes are open. I would not want to be as ignorant
of individual rights and as willing to sacrifice my
freedom in the name of safety as "mainstream".
Missing it again. YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET COP ALLIES (AS A

PRIORITY ANYWAY), YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS
ACTIVITSTS OR OTHERS WHO OPPOSE MISCONDUCT. I'm sure a
lot of citizens who might want to become involved have come here,
got the impressionf of this just being an angry mud slinging
discussion site and moved on to another site/resource on the same
topic.
quote:
You complain of insults and bury them in your reply. I

too have and continue to work with children, so
what?!?! You are a fascist sympathizer and wanting to
debate... all the while promoting gun locks and a whole
host of other garbage that is contrary to freedom in the
name of 'safety'. Don't ask me to list them or debate
them or give a damn about what you think about it. It
is just plain wrong and YOU need to see it, not the rest
of us. If you do not, that is your problem. This site
wakes people up. If it shocks their sensibilities in the
process, well the truth is a light too bright for some to
stand I guess.[QUOTE]I've dished a few out, but mainly
about the content or refusal to understand big picture
things (like saying my first graders can learn how to
get what they want from people by acting civil).
Honestly, I'm a sympathizer of both sides, because I
know the good and the bad in both sides.
Also, just because my political opinions are different

than yours, isn't reason to debunk me. So, what if I
believe we should require purchasing gunlocks with
guns? That's not fascist. Unless you're an anarchist, I
bet I could find some restriction on freedom you believe
in that I could unfairly call fascist. These are the kinds
of exaggerations that question crediblity.
And you can't wake people up, if you can't get people
to stay on the site! That's the point about a lot of the
stuff I've been saying.
[QUOTE]

There, is likely the difference. Some of us (myself

included) know it will not stop until we, the people,
stop it; by force if necessary. Debate is not going to
change it. It is best to bring it into the light, with all its
ugliness and evil; to the attention of people, not change
the Gestapo. No, I have no interest in pleading with
Nazis, my interest is in informing those people that
have yet to be rounded up and mistreated or killed by
LE.
Yes, it's not about pleading, it's about informing...but how are you
going to maintain mainstream people to inform? You do need the
mainstream's support here.
quote:
You have done one good turn for me, Anthony. You
have reminded me of why it is not productive to try to
engage LE or its sympathizers in debate. It is pointless.
Many on this site tried to warn me of this fact early in
my posting. It took me this long to realize; they were
correct.
Yeah, cause I might give you some ideas about how to reach more
people...yeah...okay...very Nazi of me.
BTW, I think there's of people on this side arguing on the civil rights
side...I usually try to just present alternative views to extreme
statements I see on here. Sometimes the extreme statements are
pretty off the mark and if you want to get to the root of the
problem, you have to be aware of ...well the root of the problem
and the reality surrounding it.
04-26-2006 06:11 PM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
Missing it again. YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET COP
ALLIES (AS A PRIORITY ANYWAY), YOU'RE
Registered: Aug 2005 TRYING TO GET OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS
Location: Directly behind you ACTIVITSTS OR OTHERS WHO OPPOSE
Posts: 861 MISCONDUCT. I'm sure a lot of citizens who
might want to become involved have come here,
got the impressionf of this just being an angry
mud slinging discussion site and moved on to
another site/resource on the same topic.
Yes, it's not about pleading, it's about informing...

but how are you going to maintain mainstream
people to inform? You do need the mainstream's
support here.
Yeah, cause I might give you some ideas about

how to reach more people...yeah...okay...very
Nazi of me.
BTW, I think there's of people on this side

arguing on the civil rights side...I usually try to
just present alternative views to extreme
statements I see on here. Sometimes the extreme
statements are pretty off the mark and if you
want to get to the root of the problem, you have
to be aware of ...well the root of the problem and
the reality surrounding it.
I think you missed it. I am not trying to get "OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS
ACTIVITSTS OR OTHERS WHO OPPOSE MISCONDUCT". My days as
an activist are for the most part over. The most important thing I
try to do anymore is get better grouping at the range.
BTW: I used to be one of the 'moderates'. Check around, my posts

show it. No more... I have learned my lesson. Thanks for the
lesson, Anthony.
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04-26-2006 08:31 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 I think you missed it. [B]I am not trying to get
Location: "OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVITSTS OR OTHERS WHO
Posts: 219 OPPOSE MISCONDUCT".
Well, then don't bring up the trying to get cops on your side thing,
because I wasn't advocating that. If you don't want to try to grow
the numbers of other citizens joining this site, then that's fine.
quote:
My days as an activist are for the most part over. The

most important thing I try to do anymore is get better
grouping at the range.
If that's your priority, that's fine...I doubt you need those skills to
help end police misconduct, though... there aren't enough numbers
out there to cause forceful change in that manner.
quote:
BTW: I used to be one of the 'moderates'. Check

around, my posts show it. No more... I have learned
my lesson. Thanks for the lesson, Anthony.
Okay, sure. We're both happy doing things our own way
04-26-2006 09:00 PM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
Well, then don't bring up the trying to get cops on
your side thing, because I wasn't advocating that.
Registered: Aug 2005 If you don't want to try to grow the numbers of
Location: Directly behind you other citizens joining this site, then that's fine.
Posts: 861
If that's your priority, that's fine...I doubt you
need those skills to help end police misconduct,
though... there aren't enough numbers out there
to cause forceful change in that manner.
Okay, sure. We're both happy doing things our

own way
It is with great gladness of heart that my priorities meet with your

approval Herr Anthony.
Our own happy ways we both shall go.
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04-26-2006 10:01 PM

GC Marciano quote:
I doubt you need those skills to help end
police misconduct, though
Better grouping at the range is very effective in helping to end

police misconduct, one cop at a time.
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04-26-2006 10:39 PM
duncan While YOUR overall goal is different, you couldn't use allies
Moderator in fighting police misconduct still going on now (on the way
to reaching your overall goal)???
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado It is always neccesary to never ally oneself with the wrong kinds of
Posts: 9006 people. Never jump into bed with a nazi just to achieve a small
aspect of an overall goal. These people will f%ck you over after
they get what they want and so it goes with others politicos who
want to impose their ideologies on the masses visa via thru the
power of the state.
There is no comprimising freedom and the Bill of Rights and often

when you seek allies compromises must be made. Making allies
often requires the selling out of ones principles.
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04-27-2006 01:28 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Better grouping at the range is very effective in
Location: helping to end police misconduct, one cop at a
Posts: 219
time.
Seems counterproductive to me. One cop got shot in a neighboring

city and they decided to hire several more (it brought attention to
understaffing).
05-01-2006 12:50 AM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 While YOUR overall goal is different, you couldn't
Location: use allies in fighting police misconduct still going
Posts: 219 on now (on the way to reaching your overall
goal)???
It is always neccesary to never ally oneself with

the wrong kinds of people. Never jump into bed
with a nazi just to achieve a small aspect of an
overall goal. These people will f%ck you over
after they get what they want and so it goes with
others politicos who want to impose their
ideologies on the masses visa via thru the power
of the state.

There is no comprimising freedom and the Bill of

Rights and often when you seek allies
compromises must be made. Making allies often
requires the selling out of ones principles.
So, why are you on this site, then?
It seems like the others on this site are allies in that they all help
post stories of misconduct, give advice to victims of police abuse,
spread 'the word'
05-01-2006 12:53 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
Seems counterproductive to me. One cop got shot
in a neighboring city and they decided to hire
Registered: Aug 2005 several more (it brought attention to
Location: Directly behind you understaffing).
Posts: 861
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

Second Chechen War
I was going to list a bunch of links but I decided not as history is

full of examples; Vietnam, our own revolutionary war, Soviets
getting their behinds kicked in the Middle East, the routing given G.
B. by the Zulus, etc. Even what is going on in the Middle East right
now should be enough to clearly demonstrate what individuals and
small groups can do to thwart the plans of a much superior force.
The small, armed, and very determined groups, are more than
capable of eventually grinding down the resources and very will of a
superior force. Check out how our own government leaders are
describing what types of forces they are encountering. It is often
cited as the main reason the 'War on Terrorism' is not as far
towards completion as originally projected. Indeed, it is the small
force among the populace that is perhaps one of the most difficult
(if not impossible) to eradicate without the wholesale slaughter of
the population.
People, under whatever ideals they hold strong, will eventually push
back against those that are carrying out the will of the state.
Sometimes the push is successful, sometimes it is not. However
what is clear is that the pesky perseverance of individuals in the
beginning is the main ingredient required as a common thread in
any fight against an oppressive force of obviously superior numbers.

History forgotten is often history repeated. Again, please read

more accurate history books as I am not here or am I willing to
educate you.
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05-01-2006 02:39 PM
duncan "So, why are you on this site, then?"

Moderator
Because the people who own and run the site agree with me. This
Registered: Jul 2003 website shows the futility of the copster world and the fact that a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado free society needs to be rid of copsters.
Posts: 9006
"It seems like the others on this site are allies in that they all help
post stories of misconduct, give advice to victims of police abuse,
spread 'the word' "
And none of us talk about how to change what will never work. The
stories only help to make my point and the advice is to try and help
save people or to help them get some kind of retribution.
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05-01-2006 04:22 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 "So, why are you on this site, then?"
Location:
Posts: 219 Because the people who own and run the site
agree with me. This website shows the futility of
the copster world and the fact that a free society
needs to be rid of copsters.
Hmmm, the people on this website helping show "futility of the

copster world and the fact that a free society needs to be rid of
copsters" seem like allies to me. If it were just one person running
this whole site, I think it would be less effective.
05-01-2006 10:46 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising
Location: Second Chechen War
Posts: 219
I was going to list a bunch of links but I decided
not as history is full of examples; Vietnam, our
own revolutionary war, Soviets getting their
behinds kicked in the Middle East, the routing
given G.B. by the Zulus, etc. Even what is going
on in the Middle East right now should be enough
to clearly demonstrate what individuals and small
groups can do to thwart the plans of a much
superior force. The small, armed, and very
determined groups, are more than capable of
eventually grinding down the resources and very
will of a superior force. Check out how our own
government leaders are describing what types of
forces they are encountering. It is often cited as
the main reason the 'War on Terrorism' is not as

far towards completion as originally projected.

Indeed, it is the small force among the populace
that is perhaps one of the most difficult (if not
impossible) to eradicate without the wholesale
slaughter of the population.
People, under whatever ideals they hold strong,

will eventually push back against those that are
carrying out the will of the state. Sometimes the
push is successful, sometimes it is not. However
what is clear is that the pesky perseverance of
individuals in the beginning is the main ingredient
required as a common thread in any fight against
an oppressive force of obviously superior
numbers.
History forgotten is often history repeated. Again,

please read more accurate history books as I am
not here or am I willing to educate you.
I think I've read history books just fine for someone who isn't
specifically interested in history above other academic fields.
You said taking them out one cop at a time...When I say it's not a
good idea and give an example of how that can lead to more cops,
you list examples of concentrated efforts???
Concentrated efforts can work...

taking cops out one a time (implying in a slow manner) will NOT. If
anything it'll make them more aggressive.
So, glad you're up on history, but that doesn't apply here.
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GC Marciano JmE: Keep in mind that you are dealing with a wanna-be cop.
Copwatcher Extraordinaire There's not a whole lot of logical reasoning to be found.
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05-02-2006 12:29 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
<cut>
You said taking them out one cop at a time...
Registered: Aug 2005 <cut>
Posts: 861
Guess again, Herr Anthony... I never posted anything of the sort.
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05-02-2006 12:54 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
I think I've read history books just fine for
someone who isn't specifically interested in
Registered: Aug 2005 history above other academic fields.
Location: Directly behind you <cut>
Posts: 861
Although you "think" you have, your posts obviously reflect

otherwise.
Herr Anthony, I would respectfully advise that you either educate

yourself in a more proper manner or discontinue this most
benighted discourse upon which you have found yourself so
engaged.
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05-02-2006 01:00 AM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
<cut>
So, glad you're up on history, but that doesn't
Registered: Aug 2005 apply here.
Posts: 861
Ahhh, mein Herr. History always applies in matters of oppression

and warfare. Those that have failed to recognize this rather basic
fact have indeed found it to be their downfall.
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05-02-2006 01:05 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
JmE: Keep in mind that you are dealing with a
wanna-be cop. There's not a whole lot of logical
Registered: Aug 2005 reasoning to be found.
Posts: 861
We need more like him on the SOL side of the 'blue line'. I hope he
and many like him join in numbers.
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05-02-2006 01:09 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Location: You said taking them out one cop at a time...
Posts: 2869 When I say it's not a good idea and give an
example of how that can lead to more cops, you
list examples of concentrated efforts???
Concentrated efforts can work...

taking cops out one a time (implying in a slow
manner) will NOT. If anything it'll make them
more aggressive.
Kind of off topic but I wanted to address the aggresive part.
Cops use aggresion as an outlet because they are frustrated.
This is really a no-brainer.
what makes them frustrated and aggressive is
1) very few people respect them.
2) the pay is the horrible.....I make 25 bucks an hour as an

inspector my gf who is a nurse makes 45 an hour, my 20 year old
works construction for 17 bucks an hour, my 18 year old son works
at a Moes burrito place for 13 bucks an hour and my 13 year old
daughter who is lying saying she is 14 makes 10 bucks an hour at a
pet grooming place. The jailers here make 10 bucks an hour and
patrolmen gets 12. There is not 1 job in this whole community that
pays less than jailers and cops, 13 year old excluded. Some cops
get food stamps and HUD rental help thus stealing more from the
tax payer. This is another blow to their already low self esteem
problems.

3) they have to pretend they are superior to make it through their

day.
4) they have to lie to themselves that they are actually helping the
community.
5) they know they are lazy and know everyone else sees them as
lazy too.
6) they are told by their superiors that citizens are less than human
and reinforce this thought process which may go against what their
momma taught them.
7) people really don't care about cops. go to a dare event, cops are
shunned in droves, they cower together with the political or media
players.
8) they know deep down they are worthless because they do things
like tasing kids doing cart wheels, shoot old people in wheelchairs
and sleeping in cars, they lack restraint and common sense.
9) most of them hurt innocent people and sense God gave everyone
a mechanism to avoid being evil this bothers them, however after
they have been desensitized to hurting people it doesn't bother
them any more and they dive deeper into evil.
10) even when they fucq up and know they should be fired they
don't get fired which allows them a pass to fucq up.
all these things add up and set the stage for a cop to turn his
frustration of being a complete brianwashed robot and inadequate
human being out on others through aggression.
happens everyday. Just like the gang of cops who punched, beat
up, pepperd, tased and kicked an old lady's eyeball out because the
city said she had trash in her yard and she stood her ground.
It's just as simple as that.
I could go on and on and on, I think Ill stop here. I think you get
the point.
05-02-2006 01:13 AM

Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Ahhh, mein Herr. History always applies in
Location: matters of oppression and warfare. Those that
Posts: 219 have failed to recognize this rather basic fact
have indeed found it to be their downfall.
By saying "that doesn't apply here" I'm referring to the history

example you gave. The Warsaw revolt wasn't picking off the
military one Nazi at a time over a long period...it was a
concentrated effort.
History always applies seems like a truism...everyone reading will

go, "yeah, you're right it does!"...but I was saying your historical
example if faulty for what you seemed to be trying to argue
05-02-2006 01:29 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
By saying "that doesn't apply here" I'm referring
to the history example you gave. The Warsaw
Registered: Aug 2005 revolt wasn't picking off the military one Nazi at a
Location: Directly behind you time over a long period...it was a concentrated
Posts: 861 effort.
History always applies seems like a truism...

everyone reading will go, "yeah, you're right it
does!"...but I was saying your historical example
if faulty for what you seemed to be trying to
argue
And what exactly is that which you believe I was trying to argue?
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05-02-2006 01:32 AM
Anthony Woah xtratabasco...sure seems to suck over there. How about

Senior Member getting a job in a place where you might actually like to go to work
each day. The detectives here, do and pay is much better than that.
Registered: Mar 2005 (I'm not actually familiar with what an inspector is...I'm assuming
Location: detective?)
Posts: 219
But I'm also pretty sure that if one of them were killed it would
make them more aggressive...it's instinct.
05-02-2006 01:35 AM
GC Marciano quote:
(I'm not actually familiar with what an
inspector is...I'm assuming detective?)

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05-02-2006 01:41 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
<cut>
But I'm also pretty sure that if one of them were
Registered: Aug 2005 killed it would make them more aggressive...it's
Location: Directly behind you instinct.
Posts: 861
That is a two way street.
Perhaps you have stumbled upon a clue, a nugget of insight, a

shard of understanding into the very essence of many that you do
not seem to 'understand' here at CopWatch?
No... I was wrong. I can see the glimmer, however brief, has gone
dull once again. You have missed it. Better luck next time old sport.
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05-02-2006 01:42 AM

GC Marciano quote:
But I'm also pretty sure that if one of them
were killed it would make them more
aggressive...it's instinct.
Yet when a cop kills a citizen, the people are supposed to

become submissive and docile, accepting the murder as
necessary because the police said so.
Posts: 9967
I guess that instinct is only allowed to cops.
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05-02-2006 01:47 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
Yet when a cop kills a citizen, the people are
supposed to become submissive and docile,
Registered: Aug 2005 accepting the murder as necessary because the
Location: Directly behind you police said so.
Posts: 861
How dare you suggest otherwise! Of all the impudence, a common

citizen questioning the authority of the police, courts, and our very
own government.
Why you must be one of the rabid anti-police copwatchers! EEEEK! /

JmE:squeals like a little girl/
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05-02-2006 01:56 AM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Location:
Posts: 219
Hmmm, that makes me doubt the reason why you're having this
discussion.
05-02-2006 03:38 AM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 That is a two way street.
Location:
Posts: 219 Perhaps you have stumbled upon a clue, a nugget
of insight, a shard of understanding into the very
essence of many that you do not seem to
'understand' here at CopWatch?
Well, that's something I already understood. Remember, my whole

spiel about trying to understand why people do things...

quote:

Yet when a cop kills a citizen, the people are
supposed to become submissive and docile,
accepting the murder as necessary because the
police said so.
No, they're supposed to cry bloody murder and take full advantage
of their legal rights to protest or whatever pull they have from their
city council. Just do it legally or you're no better than the people
you fight.
05-02-2006 03:46 AM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Just do it legally or you're no better than the
people you fight.
What's your take then on the case linked in my sig?

Location:
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GC Marciano quote:
Hmmm, that makes me doubt the reason why
you're having this discussion.
Where that comment came from I'll never know. The laughter
was because you have obviously not read many of XT's posts if
you think he is a detective.
Posts: 9967 quote:

No, they're supposed to cry bloody murder
and take full advantage of their legal rights to
protest or whatever pull they have from their
city council. Just do it legally or you're no
better than the people you fight.
What if they technically violate the law in the same way that
you feel it is okay to technically violate the Constitution?
Would that be okay or does that only apply to cops and wanna-
be cops?
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JmE quote:
Senior Member
<cut>
Remember, my whole spiel about trying to
Registered: Aug 2005 understand why people do things...
Posts: 861
Oh there is a whole lot of your 'spiel' around here lately. Most of it

is drawing flies, IMHO. However I doubt you really understood
my post. For if you did, Herr Anthony, you would recognize that
many of 'us' that you appear to have so much difficulty
understanding are simply living our lives. We do not like it when our
lives are disrupted unnecessarily and our lives threatened (in some
instances taken unnecessarily). These 'poor' 'ol SOLs are being paid
to take any risks, we are not.
One major difference is that they work for us, not the other way
'round.
I know y'all just love it every time you hear it.
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05-02-2006 04:03 AM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
<cut>
The Warsaw revolt wasn't picking off the military
Registered: Aug 2005 one Nazi at a
Posts: 861
BTW: I did not mention the Warsaw revolt. It was a specifically

different, but related, event in history.
You mentioned somewhere that you work with children. I suggest

you avoid helping them with their history homework.
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05-02-2006 04:16 AM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Where that comment came from I'll never know.
Location: The laughter was because you have obviously not
Posts: 219 read many of XT's posts if you think he is a
detective. What if they technically violate the law
in the same way that you feel it is okay to
technically violate the Constitution?
Would that be okay or does that only apply to

cops and wanna-be cops?
I don't read many of XT's posts. I got the sense his post was

facetious, but decided it was better to just reply within the frame he
set.
As for a cop technically violating the Constitution, no I don't think

you should respond in kind toward the cop in that case (unless the
law was morally wrong, in which case you have a bigger problem
than the cop and you should be protesting your lawmakers,
because it would be more effective).
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Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Oh there is a whole lot of your 'spiel' around here
Location: lately. Most of it is drawing flies, IMHO. However
Posts: 219 I doubt you really understood my post. For if you
did, Herr Anthony, you would recognize that
many of 'us' that you appear to have so much
difficulty understanding are simply living our
lives. We do not like it when our lives are
disrupted unnecessarily and our lives threatened
(in some instances taken unnecessarily). These
'poor' 'ol SOLs are being paid to take any risks,
we are not.
One major difference is that they work for us, not

the other way 'round.
I know y'all just love it every time you hear it.
I do...I reminded someone of it just the other day when discussing

officer safety issues.
quote:

BTW: I did not mention the Warsaw revolt. It was
a specifically different, but related, event in
history.
You mentioned somewhere that you work with

children. I suggest you avoid helping them with
their history homework.
Here's another example of going off topic ot turn it personal.

Obviously, I wouldn't help them with content of history homework
unless I knew the necessary details for it.
Sorry, if I'm not that knowledgeable in Warsaw history. I obviously

know the big picture, but I dearly apologize for calling it the
Warsaw revolt instead of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I think you're
just trying to go for anything you can at this point...
05-02-2006 05:38 AM

xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 Where that comment came from I'll never know.
Location: The laughter was because you have obviously not
Posts: 2869 read many of XT's posts if you think he is a
detective.
Its even funnier that he didnt respond to my reply when he thought

I was.
05-02-2006 12:39 PM
JmE Look at the thread. He appears to often not answer posts when he
Senior Member is obviously incorrect. Just check out the recent replies I have
posted to him in this thread. Pay particular attention to the one
where he claims I posted about doing away with SOLs one at a
time. That is a post I never made, called him on it, and he never
Registered: Aug 2005 responded. It appears to be typical BS to me.
Posts: 861 I wonder what his reports will reflect when/if he becomes a SOL. If
his postings are any indication, heaven help the poor unfortunates
with which he becomes ‘involved’.
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05-02-2006 01:10 PM

JmE quote:
Senior Member
I do...I reminded someone of it just the other day
when discussing officer safety issues.
Posts: 861
Here's another example of going off topic ot turn
it personal. Obviously, I wouldn't help them with
content of history homework unless I knew the
necessary details for it.
Sorry, if I'm not that knowledgeable in Warsaw

history. I obviously know the big picture, but I
dearly apologize for calling it the Warsaw revolt
instead of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I think
you're just trying to go for anything you can at
this point...
Actually, it was in response to your posts and claim of knowing

enough about history. You don't and you do not answer the more
difficult questions in my replies. Why is that?
Thanks for the apology, but none was needed. You were corrected
and accepted it. Notice I did not need to use the taser?
Oh, mein Herr, I am far from 'trying to go for anything you can at
this point'. If you feel I am personally attacking you or that the
conversations are not fruitful, then by all means feel free to not
answer my posts. I will not be offended and will indeed let it drop
without hesitation.
However, your posting and sliding by main points in my posts speak

volumes. Ignore or man-up. It is completely your choice.
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05-02-2006 01:20 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Its even funnier that he didnt respond to my reply
Location: when he thought I was.
Posts: 219
Man, I can only keep track of so many threads of thought within a

post at time. That would've been a headache.
05-02-2006 08:20 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Look at the thread. He appears to often not
Location: answer posts when he is obviously incorrect. Just
Posts: 219 check out the recent replies I have posted to him
in this thread. Pay particular attention to the one
where he claims I posted about doing away with
SOLs one at a time. That is a post I never made,
called him on it, and he never responded. It
appears to be typical BS to me.
I wonder what his reports will reflect when/if he

becomes a SOL. If his postings are any indication,
heaven help the poor unfortunates with which he
becomes ‘involved’.
First off, I don't currently have plans for becoming a cop. Maybe in
the future, who knows.
Second, I actually did write a reply, but I guess I must've closed

the window (I usually have several windows open with quotes from
the different messages so I can try to combine replies). Guess I
closed the tab thinking I had already copied my reply to another
post.
What I HAD typed was something along the lines of: Yeah, I mixed
up post author because you defended his post and I didn't check to
see who had written the original argument.

The fact that you list THAT post as an example is silly. What IF I
hadn't replied to a post telling me you hadn't written that one. The
conversation that ensued between us about picking off cops one by
one was still valid.
I'm seeing more degradation of the thread here, in more personal

attacks and reaching for anything to make me look bad. Hmmm.
Also, keep in mind a lot of things I've said have gone unreplied to...
often I repost them and they still go unreplied to! It's possible that
I might miss something almong all the replies and you can repost it
too.
Edit: Also, if it's something dumb like calling me a "wannabe" I'm

not going to reply to it. I'm not going to bite and let things go way
south.
05-02-2006 08:31 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 Actually, it was in response to your posts and
Location: claim of knowing enough about history. You don't
Posts: 219 and you do not answer the more difficult
questions in my replies. Why is that?
Thanks for the apology, but none was needed.

You were corrected and accepted it. Notice I did
not need to use the taser?
Oh, mein Herr, I am far from 'trying to go for

anything you can at this point'. If you feel I am
personally attacking you or that the
conversations are not fruitful, then by all means
feel free to not answer my posts. I will not be
offended and will indeed let it drop without
hesitation.
However, your posting and sliding by main points

in my posts speak volumes. Ignore or man-up. It
is completely your choice.
Well, post those main points again, then! From my perspective, it

seems like you completely failed to explain how picking off cops one
by one would work well.
You gave faulty examples from history, but when I called you on it,
you wrote your last few posts getting stuck on me saying Warsaw

revolt instead of Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and then tried to make it

personal. How is that not distracting and side-stepping?
Note: I am intentionally not replying to the second part of your

post, because it's not necesary. I'm obviously continuing the
discussion...and also addressing the main points in the first part.
05-02-2006 08:42 PM
JmE Sorry, don't have time. The posts are still there as originally
Senior Member written. You do the work, not me. I am not interested in giving you
a free education.
My posts speak for themselves. Calling them faulty or whatnot will

Registered: Aug 2005 not change what they are. Re-read the posts if you wish and you
Location: Directly behind you will find what you assert about my posts are not necessarily in line
Posts: 861 with what they actual are (indeed, you made several assumtions
about them and attributed statements to me that were not posted
by me). However, I would recommend leaving it be as that much
reading and juggling multiple posts in various threads would give
me a headache. It is your choice.
As to confusing posts and closing windows. I also do this on

occasion so I do understand. Recently, I confused two threads Reg
and I were posting in at the same time. I saw a common theme and
posted an answer to one in the other. In other words, I understand
how that happens from first hand experience.
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05-02-2006 11:26 PM

Anthony I read the posts and am challenging you on the point that picking
Senior Member off cops one by one would be a good idea. I know you didn't post
the original assertion, but you defended it later. There are also a
Registered: Mar 2005 number of posts you haven't replied to...I bring it up because you
Location: criticized me of not replying to posts, earlier.
Posts: 219
That's if you're up to it right now...I know I'M exhausted right now,
so I'll check back in tomorrow. Take care
05-03-2006 12:38 AM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
I read the posts and am challenging you on the
point that picking off cops one by one would be a
Registered: Aug 2005 good idea. I know you didn't post the original
Location: Directly behind you assertion, but you defended it later. There are
Posts: 861 also a number of posts you haven't replied to...I
bring it up because you criticized me of not
replying to posts, earlier.
That's if you're up to it right now...I know I'M

exhausted right now, so I'll check back in
tomorrow. Take care
Yes, we can pick up it tomorrow or next week... I am up to my neck

in case law research right now.
I can say, however, that I do not think picking them off one by one
is the best option; so in that we agree. However, I would never rule
the option out even though, IMHO, not the best option.
Answer whenever or if you feel up to it. I too am a bit on the tired

side as well.
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05-03-2006 12:45 AM
GC Marciano quote:
I read the posts and am challenging you on
the point that picking off cops one by one
would be a good idea.
The suggestion was obviously posted in jest, I don't think

anybody here really believes that killing cops either one by or in
a mass slaughter is a good idea; much less an effective one.
Posts: 9967
You are trying to debate a comment that was made in utmost
insincerity. It's time to view it as such and move on.
While the US Government engages in the brutal mass slaughter

of people they don't like (See: Waco, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc);
most citizens have some conscience that profits them from
engaging in such activity.
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xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 The suggestion was obviously posted in jest, I
Location: don't think anybody here really believes that
Posts: 2869 killing cops either one by or in a mass slaughter is
a good idea; much less an effective one.
You are trying to debate a comment that was

made in utmost insincerity. It's time to view it as
such and move on.
While the US Government engages in the brutal

mass slaughter of people they don't like (See:
Waco, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc); most citizens have
some conscience that profits them from engaging
in such activity.
He is so angry to fight us that he forgets to use his brain. LOL
05-03-2006 01:17 AM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 The suggestion was obviously posted in jest, I
Location: don't think anybody here really believes that
Posts: 219 killing cops either one by or in a mass slaughter is
a good idea; much less an effective one.
You are trying to debate a comment that was

made in utmost insincerity. It's time to view it as
such and move on.
While the US Government engages in the brutal

mass slaughter of people they don't like (See:
Waco, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc); most citizens have
some conscience that profits them from engaging
in such activity.
The original person might have said it in jest (though I recall

mention of target practice at the range, so maybe not so joking...)
but the person who defended the statement didn't seem to best
joking.

05-03-2006 08:53 PM
Anthony quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2005 He is so angry to fight us that he forgets to use
Location: his brain. LOL
Posts: 219
Honestly, I'm either interested when I type or totally emotionless. I

remember getting angry when I FIRST came to this site, but then
saw how everyone else seemed to be very mad and tried to
antagonize people they disagreed with so they could then make fun
of them or put them in "The Pen". Eeeevery now and then I am
disappointed/annoyed, usually when discussing how much more
effective the site could be.
05-03-2006 08:55 PM
haha01 I chose "holds them accountable." This medium has only been
Member available for a few years. Prior to it, there was no good way to
discuss these issues on a large scale. Yes, there is a fair share of
Registered: Apr 2006 bashing, but at the same time, many valid concerns are raised. It's
Location: better to allow everyone to voice their opinion, than to limit the
Posts: 50
discussion to a select few.
I appreciate how I can find multiple sources covering a single

incident. Cops are often quick to decry a media bias, but news is
often provided in their favor. For example, a local bank robber was
stopped by the police after they used the PIT maneuver. It's against
the law to use the PIT maneuver here, and I only found out they
used it through someone who personally knows the cop who did it.
This city's paper also runs stories of people who are arrested, but
they very rarely mention if the charges are dropped. My friend was
put into the paper for a crime he did not commit, but it was never
noted that he was found innocent, or that the police beat him until
he blacked out.
The bottomline is I'm going to side with the police when they do
their job properly. I'm going to expose them when they screw up.
Most of the changes I want to occur involve entire agencies,
procedures, and laws, not individual officers.
05-09-2006 04:42 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by haha01
My friend was put into the paper for a crime
he did not commit, but it was never noted that
he was found innocent, or that the police beat
him until he blacked out.
This is usually the case. When a cop is accused, arrested or

charged, it is almost always very clearly stated that the officer
Posts: 9967 is assumed innocent until proven guilty, and oftentimes the
accused's identity is held confidential by the department.
You'll never see the same consideration taken with non-LE

citizens. The accusation as well as their identity is immediately
released to the media, and an acquittal of the charges is very
rarely published.
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Rylan 2.0 That was my first account, by the way. I'm on my third.
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01-03-2007 07:24 PM

James Young Obviously, it does both. The high road of accountability and
Moderator exposure of malfeasance is apparent in many posts. This site has
become a clearinghouse of information about the bad behavior of
Registered: Aug 2005 officers, often showing things that LE would rather be left hidden
Location: Austin, TX from view. I say kudos to many postings of articles, documents,
Posts: 280
links and experiences that further such a goal. While we need to
step up the exposure a notch, getting inside information published
on a regular basis, we are off to a great start.
Yes, there is also bashing here. Many of our posters have had
unfortunate experiences with LE, experiences that have driven
them to seek revenge. Without regard to the legitimacy of their
complaint – it could be complete accurate or completely false –
some posters take the opportunity to strike out at cops in whatever
way possible. Remember, -- especially you cops reading this -- bad
experiences with a cop last a lifetime while good experiences are
forgotten because they are expected. I know one guy who is 90+
years old now who had a run-in with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol
in the 1950s and remembers it to this day and has told his story
thousands of times. That trooper is probably deceased now but the
damage he caused lives on. Is that the kind of legacy that you want
to leave?
Cops have an advantage in most contacts with citizens. They enjoy

no such advantage on an Internet forum where their intimidation is
null and the emphasis is on analysis rather than coercion. Armed
only with facts and information, abetted by their own
articulateness, the cops and citizens are on equal ground here.
Actually, I believe the citizens have the upper hand because the
cops’ way of thinking is so narrow due to their training and their
tendency to congregate and group-think only with other cops, and
the citizens have such a wide diversity of views and information,
that the citizens will prevail in any battle of facts and analysis.
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02-07-2007 03:57 PM

Gary Reno Only Pointing out The Bad Cops !!!

My Goal is Justice !!
I voted "NO" it does not bash cops, it only points and, intended for
the corrupt cops. All cops are not bad....Just some, but, one is too
many. I had a saying while I was a police officer and, believe me it
was hard to maintain sometimes but, I did. "If, I have to steal,
cheat,lie, plant evidence on a person to get a conviction, I would
resign my job". Like I said, it was sometimes hard to do when you
know that a particular person was dealing drugs, running a chop
shop, etc; and you just couldn't catch him in the act clearly enough
to have the DA do anything about it. Well, that is what my intent is
on CopWatch.....commend the honest Officers, condemn the
Registered: Jan 2007 dishonest Cops. Expose them if, they are even the Sheriff himself
Location: Louisiana or, his trusted Cronies. What kind of smokes should I buy the trio.
Posts: 303 Or, will a walking stick and a sack of proverbial grass suffice since
its a gov't institution that forbids tabacco products?? Gary
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02-07-2007 04:58 PM
GC Marciano
Well said, Gary.
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Extended Sabatical I guess the 11,219 plus distinct threads in the news section of the
forums on bad cops must be from delusional people. Some of those
people were so delusional that the sworn officer of the law even got
convicted of the crime. There are numerous follow up posts to these
Registered: Jul 2003 thread detailing what happened as described by the media. In some
Location: cases there are pictures and PDF files concerning the incident.
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07-13-2007 09:59 AM
Cataclysm I must say, this has been a very informative thread. I made it to
The People should not fear the page eleven but now I must retire for the night. I look forward to
Government, the Government finishing it tomorrow.
should fear the People.
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AVENGER I voted "unsure?" Not because I am unsure, but because my

Senior Member answer isn't on the list. This site does two things for me. It lets me
vent some of my frustration, which, even if it includes some
"bashing," is still more positive than what I feel like doing about the
rage I have for the copscum and their asinine system. It also allows
me to attempt to educate the sheltered masses of morons who like
to believe that cops are keeping them safe. Cops keep themselves
and each other safe, just like any other gang of thugs. That's it.
When and if they ever do anything for the public at large, it is a day
Registered: Feb 2007 late and a dollar short. Mainly because they're too busy harassing
Location: This is hell. the innocent, setting up blatantly illegal checkpoints, etcetera, to do
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their actual jobs.
So my vote should be: Educates the brainwashed sheeple, if they
care to use logic. And perhaps even teaches a cop or two that they
should treat people decently, unless they want to be seen as bully
losers and find themselves on the losing end of a battle they cannot
win against someone who will not take one more insulting comment
from some pencil-d**ked weakling.
A few replies to comments:

Darryl
“There is 2 sides to ever story...”
There are indeed two sides to every story. Unfortunately, I have
never once been given a chance to state my side before a judgment
was made. If you think you are a good cop, then you will join in the
fight to destroy every piece of crap with a badge who even bends
the law, much less breaks it outright. Not only that, but you will
silence the cowards who spew unwarranted hatred and insults while
they hide behind a badge and a million other cowards.
Unfortunately, again, your system isn’t set up that way. The “good
cop” stands idly by while my rights are trampled and says, “It’s not
my call, so-and-so is the responding officer...” To which I reply,
“Then what are you good for?” I guarantee that if I defend myself
from the offensive piece of crap, you will intervene on his behalf.
MikeTx
“Ok, are there good cops? Of course there are! You just never know
which one you are dealing with until after the plunger is in your
ass.”
And they are apparently trained to be as full of crap as humanly
possible. One minute they’re your pal, the next, they’re talking junk
and “accidentally” chopping your balls as they “pat you down for
everyone’s safety.” This isn’t a one-time incident. It has happened
every time I was ever “patted down,” so I must believe that this is
taught. No?
And by the way, exactly what kind of weapon am I supposed to be
hiding in the watch pocket of my jeans when I am illegally searched
under the pretense of safety?
Texastwister1
“People dont come here to talk to the police.”
No, we don’t. Some of us have heard everything we will ever hear
from the mouths of cowards who seek to demean those they cannot

defeat fairly. I fought the bullies and won. I fought the abuser and
won. They were simply replaced by scores of fat or steroid-abusing
scumbags, backed by a system filled with hypocrites and morons.
Nice job. In fact, some of us not only don’t come here to talk to the
police, but also consider just being here a considerable risk to our
safety.
GC505
“And whats wrong with bashing cops? Ever hear how thay talk
about the taxpayers? It all comes down to the old "you can dish it
out but you can't take it".”
Thank you. And I believe that I am far more fair in my “bashing”
than they have ever been with me. Not only that, but if I didn’t
think that they’d show up with a SWAT team and some bogus
warrant they lied to obtain, I’d invite any of them to debate the
issues face to face. I doubt I’d see that same, smug attitude if the
odds were more even--meaning that they don’t have the courts and
a pack of lies to back them up.
Originally posted by Exterminator

“Most cops like doctors, and funeral directors develop a macabre, in
case you don't know what macabre is it's means grusome, grisly,
etc., sense of humor. This helps them cope with many horrendous
situations.”
Cry me a river. They volunteered for the crap they deal with. I was
15 years old when they started forcing their twisted, cowardly
mentality down my throat at every turn. You don’t see me crying
about the BS I’ve seen and I have done their job for them on more
than one occasion, with no pay, no benefits, no backup, no weapon
and no society of idiots ready to lie, cheat and steal to cover my ass.
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07-18-2007 05:51 PM

Johnthesalesman I bash cops and I hold cops accountable. I expose their illusions and
Incompletely Registered - I chide them for spreading their diseases. 'Discipline' is all the bad
Possibly a SOL cops understand. They were raised to think "me good, bad-guy,
bad." They were raised with hierarchical and simple thinking
patterns.
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09-02-2007 05:24 PM
kola If the gooncop-mother-****ers were working to uphold the

Senior Member Constitution and being honest there would be no need for this site.
Registered: Jul 2007 so there.

Location:
Posts: 144 I bashed the ****suckers and I hold them accountable for the
****in acts of treason.
I am tired of the ****ing police state jackboot tactics.
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09-02-2007 05:25 PM
big lebowski Although Im new here, I do see a general trend to "bash" the police
Junior Member more often than not. I see the validity in video taping, and keeping
the police in line, espically the bad ones but there seems to be
Registered: Sep 2007 more cop bashing, then education here. The most recent video tape
Location: all over the news, that cop is definately an asshole and deserves to
Posts: 8
be removed from his job, but that kid did do his part to instigate
the situation. When two assholes meet....what do you expect to
happen. Kepp up the good work at doing what you can to remove
the bad officers, but remember that most of them are there to help,
and are doing a job you or I dont, or wouldnt do.
09-12-2007 12:58 PM

Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Originally posted by big lebowski
The most recent video tape all over the news, that
cop is definately an asshole and deserves to be
removed from his job, but that kid did do his part
to instigate the situation. When two assholes
meet...

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WTF?! How in the hell can you claim that Maxima instigated that
situation? HE DID NOTHING ILLEGAL! And furthermore, even if he
had done something illegal (like failing to use a turn signal, as the
lying cop claimed), would that justify the cop's violent threats and
hysteria? Of course not.
I know it's difficult to accept the fact that your heroes in blue are
not really heroes, but give it some time. Don't gratuitously insult
TRUE heroes like Maxima just because you haven't yet accepted
reality.
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09-12-2007 01:11 PM

big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2007 WTF?! How in the hell can you claim that Maxima
Location: instigated that situation? HE DID NOTHING
Posts: 8 ILLEGAL! And furthermore, even if he had done
something illegal (like failing to use a turn signal,
as the lying cop claimed), would that justify the
cop's violent threats and hysteria? Of course not.
I know it's difficult to accept the fact that your

heroes in blue are not really heroes, but give it
some time. Don't gratuitously insult TRUE heroes
like Maxima just because you haven't yet
accepted reality.
What I am saying is that THAT cop is an asshole and deserves to be

fired. I wouldnt want him talking to me or anyone I know like that.
He was caught and will be delt with...hopefully by loosing his job.
Assholes like him make it harder for everyone else, but by the same
token Maxima didnt do his best to difuse the situation either. When
asked what he was doing there he gave a smart ass answer,
instead of just telling him. Same thing when asked for ID. smart
ass answer. Just shut the **** up and move on.
Nothing justifies the asshole cops threats or actions, and again I
say that Im glad he was exposed for the ***** that he is. But
calling a punk kid like Maxima a hero...laughable. What has he
done? really? I am not blindly defending the cops there are alot of
assholes out there but going back to the original topic I believe that
this board does more in the way of bashing the Police than trying to
educate, and help expose the bad cops. Look at some of the posts
and the way people express themselves.
Finally I live in reality, I have been hurt and helped by police
officers. I have seen how lazy they are, and I have met some that
go above and beyond..in a good way...what is expected of them.
Instead of bashing the Police use this site and others like it to help
expose the bad ones, and help the good ones get the rotton ones
out of the bunch.
09-12-2007 02:52 PM

GC Marciano quote:
When asked what he was doing there he gave
a smart ass answer, instead of just telling him.
So in other words, when confronted by an asshole cop like

James Kuehnlein, one should quickly disregard their right and
Registered: Jul 2003 immediately kiss the cops ass.
Posts: 9967
Doing anything else is apparently considered "provoking" the
cop.
Fuck that. Nobody is required to answer a question like "where

are you going" and "where are you coming from". The law
requires that when requested by a peace officer (while driving a
vehicle) you must provide your identity and residence. Nothing
more.
Darrow politely said "I don't wish to discuss my personal life

with you, officer" and the cop (like most cops) became irrational
and irate that he refused to bow down to him.
quote:

But calling a punk kid like Maxima a hero...
laughable. What has he done? really?
He 1) stood up for his rights, something that most Americans

are too much of a coward to do, thereby sending the prick
officer into a rage because cops detest anybody who dares
educate himself of his rights; 2) he documented evidence of the
abuse and threats to falsely arrest and imprison Darrow by
filing manufactured, bogus charges by an asshole officer,
evidence that the officer did not want record of - hence the
"accidental" failure to turn on his own video recording device.
You'll notice on the video that when the cop noticed the camera
in the vehicle, Darrow stated "there are cameras all over the
car" to which Mr. Dickhead responded "I'll tow the car and we'll
rip all of them up".
Bottom line: The stop was illegal. Darrow committed no crime

or infraction and there was no reason to apprehend him in a
public commuter lot. Dickhead Kuehnlein simply felt the urge to
victimize a young man who is half his size and half his age, and
then made up lies about him swerving and failng to use a turn
signal (both blatant lies, as documented on the video). Problem

is, he tried to fuck with a young man who knows his rights and
is smart enough to create video evidence of every interaction
with a police officer.
Kuehnlein needs to be fired and sued/prosecuted for civil rights

violations, Brett Darrow needs to be awarded a medal of honor.
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09-12-2007 05:41 PM
Johnthesalesman "...Darrow politely said "I don't wish to discuss my personal life with
Incompletely Registered - you, officer" and the cop (like most cops) became irrational and
Possibly a SOL irate that he refused to bow down to him...."
Oh, but this is a smart ass answer, GC505.
No, I think the correct term is 'smart'. It's a 'smart' answer. Not a
'smart a$$ed' answer.
Cop rule no. one: when someone does nothing wrong and commits
no misdemeanor of communication of otherwise, make things up or
use objectively defined term to state that an action is a
retrogressive action (that deserves punishment, thus).
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09-12-2007 07:45 PM

big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2007 So in other words, when confronted by an asshole
Location: cop like James Kuehnlein, one should quickly
Posts: 8 disregard their right and immediately kiss the
cops ass.
Doing anything else is apparently considered

"provoking" the cop.
Fuck that. Nobody is required to answer a

question like "where are you going" and "where
are you coming from". The law requires that
when requested by a peace officer (while driving
a vehicle) you must provide your identity and
residence. Nothing more.
Darrow politely said "I don't wish to discuss my

personal life with you, officer" and the cop (like
most cops) became irrational and irate that he
refused to bow down to him.
He 1) stood up for his rights, something that most

Americans are too much of a coward to do,
thereby sending the prick officer into a rage
because cops detest anybody who dares educate
himself of his rights; 2) he documented evidence
of the abuse and threats to falsely arrest and
imprison Darrow by filing manufactured, bogus
charges by an asshole officer, evidence that the
officer did not want record of - hence the
"accidental" failure to turn on his own video
recording device.
You'll notice on the video that when the cop

noticed the camera in the vehicle, Darrow stated
"there are cameras all over the car" to which Mr.
Dickhead responded "I'll tow the car and we'll rip
all of them up".
Bottom line: The stop was illegal. Darrow

committed no crime or infraction and there was
no reason to apprehend him in a public commuter
lot. Dickhead Kuehnlein simply felt the urge to
victimize a young man who is half his size and
half his age, and then made up lies about him
swerving and failng to use a turn signal (both
blatant lies, as documented on the video).
Problem is, he tried to fuck with a young man
who knows his rights and is smart enough to
create video evidence of every interaction with a
police officer.

Kuehnlein needs to be fired and sued/prosecuted

for civil rights violations, Brett Darrow needs to
be awarded a medal of honor.
Well given the situation, pulling into a commuter lot late at night
where there have been break in's theft's etc, although not illegal it
is suspicious. Thus the cop has the right to investigate, durring the
investigation its true you dont have to answer anything but why
hide it....oh yeah......one asshole meets another. Just tell the guy
why you are there, if he is an asshole...yes sir...no sir...and get the
**** out of there. Why provoke it any further...oh yeah...again....
one asshole meets another.
Brett got what he wanted....and exposed an asshole cop. I agree he
should be fired, and never get a law enforcement job EVER. But
that dosent change the fact that he went out fishing for it, and
when asked questions answered with questions, and had a ****ty
tone about it.
I never defended this asshole's (cop) actions and I never will, all I
was trying to say is that this board and a lot of strong, and
sometimes wrong opinios of Police officers. I dont defend them
unconditionally but they deserve the same chance, and leway you
are affording other people in society. Just trying to state my view....
like the thread title was asking. Now as far as a medal of honor......
well now that statement is laughable.
09-13-2007 01:51 AM
Mack Brett was courteous, which is more than was required. The cop had
Assistant Moderator no excuse whatsoever - let alone any legal justification - for his
conduct.
It's impossible to see how Big L can assert that Brett was an
asshole.
I think you're projecting, Big L.
Where do you get the idea that it's necessary to address a cop as
Location: "Sir?" Why pretend respect that you don't have? That's a slave's
Posts: 5215 mentality.
Kiss ass out of fear.
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09-13-2007 02:03 AM
Willowseed Mack I address the cops as "sir" out of basic courtesy, the same
Member courtesy I show the common individual, nothing about kissing ass. I
address them accordingly after they show their true colors.
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09-13-2007 02:16 AM
Johnthesalesman quote:
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Possibly a SOL Originally posted by Willowseed
Mack I address the cops as "sir" out of basic
courtesy, the same courtesy I show the common
individual, nothing about kissing ass. I address
them accordingly after they show their true
colors.
But the ***s are not the common individual.

Location: Mount Olympus, Mars I do not address the common individual 'sir'. I usually say
Posts: 347 something like 'dude', 'hey man' (I figure if they are so uptight that
they don't like it then they should be dead as far as I am
concerned). However, I will never call a p*g anything like 'dude', or
'man', since those are terms of endearment to me. I reserve terms
of endearment for common individuals, not uncommonly vicious,
criminal-minded, conniving, lying, cheating, sadistic, deceptive,
cruel, hateful, reactionary, bigots like police.
I say sir to police sometimes though, only if it's 'tactically wise'

though. I wouldn't want to offend Gallo, the finest wine. Sometimes
I kick my cell door repeatedly and yell
PPPIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGSS!!!!!!!! It doesn't get me very far, but it
feels damn good.
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09-13-2007 02:26 AM
Possibly a SOL Originally posted by big lebowski
Well given the situation, pulling into a commuter
lot late at night where there have been break in's
theft's etc, although not illegal it is suspicious.
Thus the cop has the right to investigate, durring
the investigation its true you dont have to answer
anything but why hide it....oh yeah......one
asshole meets another. Just tell the guy why you
are there, if he is an asshole...yes sir...no sir...and
get the **** out of there. Why provoke it any
further...oh yeah...again.... one asshole meets
Registered: Aug 2007 another.
Location: Mount Olympus, Mars Brett got what he wanted....and exposed an
Posts: 347 asshole cop. I agree he should be fired, and never
get a law enforcement job EVER. But that dosent
change the fact that he went out fishing for it,
and when asked questions answered with
questions, and had a ****ty tone about it.
Yeah, because Mr. Guatama here has never taken a ****ty tone
about anything, since he is impervious to emotion. Mr. Guatama
here is a stone. A mountian. A rock. He is daddy. Mr. Guatama can
do no wrong. He is always ultimately wise...even when faced with
going to jail, losing his job, car, house, and life to a ****ing
irrational cop that is going to fu<k with him no matter what. This
cop probalby was fu<king with him because he probably already
knew who he was. They had probably been tipped off about his
being a moderator of Copwatch and so followed him until he did
something slightly suspicious.
Incidentally, it has always been my experience that when the cops

are in this intimidation mode, when you show a little gumption back
it tends to scare them a little since they suspect that you are just
going to take it in the a$$. Once they get scared, they start making
mistakes.
I think Maxima did exactly the right thing. I haven't seen the tape,
just read the transcript. I don't give a fu<k what his tone was.
P1gger, If you don't want me to have a '$hitty tone, then don't try
to fu<k my a$$. I am not one of your alter boys, pervert.

This attitude of Big L just goes to show that the main message of
the p*gs is the message of their bosses in the downtown highrises:
"take our self-proclaimed authority that we mete out to you or face
consequences. Until you realize who owns this world, you are in
trouble." The message has nothing to do with morality. The p*g like
to make it into a moral issue so they can convince their 8 year old
girlfriends that they are good and the bad guys are bad. You know,
simple minded 8 year old girls think of things in really simple
terms: good and bad. So do p*gs, or so they want to make us
think.
The more they twist me into a hole of illogical mind-fu<k, the more
I realize that the world is not a moral place, it is a Darwinian place.
Right now, the cops, vis-a-vis their far superior bosses, are in the
lead as far as evolution is concerned...which is why there is a rock
band called 'Devo'.
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09-13-2007 02:38 AM
big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2007 Brett was courteous, which is more than was
Location: required. The cop had no excuse whatsoever - let
Posts: 8 alone any legal justification - for his conduct.
It's impossible to see how Big L can assert that

Brett was an asshole.
I think you're projecting, Big L.
Where do you get the idea that it's necessary to

address a cop as "Sir?" Why pretend respect that
you don't have? That's a slave's mentality.
Kiss ass out of fear.
You say he was I disagree..no big deal. I in no way said he had any
legal justification for the way he acted. As a matter of fact I agree
that he should loose his job ASAP!!!!
Again perception. You dont see anything wrong the way he

answered I do.

Not so much
I give respect to everyone I meet.Even you if that were to ever

happen. They deserve the benefit of the doubt. If they prove
otherwise they get treated as such. Slaves mentality...hardly.
Respect towards another human being is no where near slaves
mentality.
I will never kiss ass out of fear, but if I am in a situation that

dictates me gaining some ground then I will do what I must to
survive. The way this asshole cop was screaming I would be doing
everything I could to get the **** away. That is not fear that is
survival, two totally different modes.
Thanks for the conversation, I have learned some and hope you
have as well.
09-13-2007 02:46 AM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
I will never kiss ass out of fear, but if I am in a
situation that dictates me gaining some ground
then I will do what I must to survive. The way
this asshole cop was screaming I would be doing
everything I could to get the **** away. That is
not fear that is survival, two totally different
Registered: Jul 2003 modes.
Location:
Posts: 5215
To me, this incident proves that failure to abase yourself, (or rather
debase yourself), to the satisfaction of the cops is physically
dangerous.
A citizen/cop interaction has nothing to do with respect. The cops

hardly ever deserve or receive respect, even when "sir" is used to
address them. 90% of the time when a cop is addressed as "sir,"
the subtext is "asshole."
Unable to command real respect, the cops demand and often obtain
obeisance, subservience, and abject submission - by implicitly or
impliedly threatening, (or actually using), illicit physical force or
threats of groundless incarceration. You seem to acknowledge that
this is true.
In this context, offering even a normal sign of "respect" (such as

saying "sir") is to raise the question of whether it is being offered
out of politeness or fear.

By their own conduct, the cops have created an environment in

which any sign of respect is also a sign of weakness and/or
submission.
I might address a cop as "sir," if I feel a pressing need to do so, but

I mean "asshole," and I will have my revenge on him when the
opportunity arises.
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generally."

misconduct.
09-13-2007 04:07 AM
big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2007 To me, this incident proves that failure to abase
Location: yourself, (or rather debase yourself), to the
Posts: 8 satisfaction of the cops is physically dangerous.
A citizen/cop interaction has nothing to do with

respect. The cops hardly ever deserve or receive
respect, even when "sir" is used to address them.
90% of the time when a cop is addressed as "sir,"
the subtext is "asshole."
Unable to command real respect, the cops

demand and often obtain obeisance,
subservience, and abject submission - by
implicitly or impliedly threatening, (or actually
using), illicit physical force or threats of
groundless incarceration. You seem to
acknowledge that this is true.
In this context, offering even a normal sign of

"respect" (such as saying "sir") is to raise the
question of whether it is being offered out of
politeness or fear.
By their own conduct, the cops have created an

environment in which any sign of respect is also a

sign of weakness and/or submission.
I might address a cop as "sir," if I feel a pressing

need to do so, but I mean "asshole," and I will
have my revenge on him when the opportunity
arises.
I dont see where that statement is true, there is a big difference in

being submissive and being tactically smarter. If I was in his place,
and I have been once or twice I saw no benefit in instigating the
Asshole cop further. Gave him the answers he wanted and went on
my way. Whats the big deal. I knew full well that I was getting
away with more by getting out of there than going through the
paces to proving myself right later. Simple tactics...nothing more.
It is actually quite sad to see that your prejudices would make you
enter into and interaction with someone from any profession with
such destain. Judging people on there profession is kind of like
judging them by the color of there skin no? Not saying Im not guilty
of ding it sometimes, just saying that there have been times I was
proven wrong and I learned to start in neutral and work from there.
If you believe that most people say sir and mean asshole well then
talk to someone wll what does that say when people talk to you. Im
not saying ALL police officers deserve blanket respect, I tend to
stay as far away as possible, but when I do interact I give them the
respect every human deserves. Yeah maybe sometimes a little
more, but it is alot tougher job than I have so WFT? Why not. Most
of them appreciate it, some are asses but not all.
Yes I agree that some cops are real dicks and abuse there position,
but anymore than anyone else in power? Enron ring a bell. Now
there is someone or someones that wiped out hundreds of peoples
lives and all they got was a fine, or small jail term. Which one is
worse.....yelling at some punk kid or wiping out hundreds of lives?
Im not trying to make what happened any less severe than it is Im
just saying that you have to look at things in a greater text.
Respect is not fear, just like kindness is not weakness.
This thread asked if this site if it holds Police accountable or bashes
them. I think It mostly bashes them. Judging on what I have read
here so far. Not saying that some dont deserve what they get, and
Im glad to see this site holding people accountable. Discussing this
topic here with it confirms that it goes more towards the bashing
side. Use technology and hold those wrong accountable, just give
everyone a fair chance at the start.
09-13-2007 02:36 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Well given the situation, pulling into a

commuter lot late at night where there have
been break in's theft's etc, although not illegal
it is suspicious. Thus the cop has the right to
investigate...

Posts: 5865 The last time I checked, the United States of America, and all
fifty of the states it comprises, as well as its various territories
and possessions, are a constitutional republic (efforts by the
ruling class to obfuscate this fact and slowly destroy said
republic notwithstanding), the constitution of which guarantees
freedom of association and, by extension, freedom of
movement. What this means is that since the Constitution and
associated BoR had not yet been burned publicly in a formal
ceremony on the steps of the National Archives and martial law
formally declared across the nation, it was none of "Sergeant"
Kuehnlein's or any other cop's goddamned business why
Brett Darrow was in a certain part of town at certain time of day
or night! Ditto for anyone else who wants to travel anywhere, at
any time. We do not owe agents of the State ANY
explanation for our actions or movements, PERIOD! If I, a
white man, wish to troll the barrios of South Tucson at 2:00 on
a weekday morning, taking my life into my own hands, for
whatever reason, it is none of Officer Oinky's business
either, and I, for one, will do the same thing Brett Darrow did
and let Oinky know that it is none of his goddamned business
where I'm going and why, only probably not in as polite a
manner as Brett did in his encounter.
Bottom line: It's obvious that the movement of certain citizens

based on their racio-ethnic demographic characteristics is of
overwhelming concern to the armed nannies who rule over us.
If this is the case, it is past time for these armed goon squads
of so-called "public safety" employees to stop insulting the
public's intelligence (what little of it there is), take the masks
off, start enforcing the police-state apartheid that has been in
place, de facto, for decades as if it was encoded as the rule of
law, and offer no apologies for it. If the PTB want to criminalize
white people's presence in certain parts of town where they are
the minority, then let the oinkos establish armed checkpoints on
the outskirts of these areas and demand IDs from anyone who
attempts to enter said part of town, demand to know their
business there, and force them to leave or arrest them on
"trespassing" or "vagrancy" charges (or whatever other bogus
charges they can pull out of their asses) if said reason isn't
sufficient in their all-powerful eyes. Similarly, if a person of

darker skin tone is caught "loitering" in the "wrong" (read:

predominantly white) part of town, do the same. If we're going
to conduct ourselves as a South African-style police state in
which individual movements are controlled along racial and
economic lines, let the "police" be open, unapologetic, and
ruthless in the enforcement of it. Why should they be afraid to
do otherwise? After all, they're "the law", so who are we shit-
daubing, unwashed, ignorant citizens to question it?
(Append sarcasm tags as appropriate to the above.)
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09-13-2007 03:05 PM
big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2007 The last time I checked, the United States of
Location: America, and all fifty of the states it comprises, as
Posts: 8 well as its various territories and possessions, are
a constitutional republic (efforts by the ruling
class to obfuscate this fact and slowly destroy
said republic notwithstanding), the constitution
of which guarantees freedom of association and,
by extension, freedom of movement. What this
means is that since the Constitution and
associated BoR had not yet been burned publicly
in a formal ceremony on the steps of the National

Archives and martial law formally declared across

the nation, it was none of "Sergeant" Kuehnlein's
or any other cop's goddamned business why Brett
Darrow was in a certain part of town at certain
time of day or night! Ditto for anyone else who
wants to travel anywhere, at any time. We do not
owe agents of the State ANY explanation for our
actions or movements, PERIOD! If I, a white man,
wish to troll the barrios of South Tucson at 2:00
on a weekday morning, taking my life into my
own hands, for whatever reason, it is none of
Officer Oinky's business either, and I, for one, will
do the same thing Brett Darrow did and let Oinky
know that it is none of his goddamned business
where I'm going and why, only probably not in as
polite a manner as Brett did in his encounter.
Bottom line: It's obvious that the movement of

certain citizens based on their racio-ethnic
demographic characteristics is of overwhelming
concern to the armed nannies who rule over us. If
this is the case, it is past time for these armed
goon squads of so-called "public safety"
employees to stop insulting the public's
intelligence (what little of it there is), take the
masks off, start enforcing the police-state
apartheid that has been in place, de facto, for
decades as if it was encoded as the rule of law,
and offer no apologies for it. If the PTB want to
criminalize white people's presence in certain
parts of town where they are the minority, then
let the oinkos establish armed checkpoints on the
outskirts of these areas and demand IDs from
anyone who attempts to enter said part of town,
demand to know their business there, and force
them to leave or arrest them on "trespassing" or
"vagrancy" charges (or whatever other bogus
charges they can pull out of their asses) if said
reason isn't sufficient in their all-powerful eyes.
Similarly, if a person of darker skin tone is caught
"loitering" in the "wrong" (read: predominantly
white) part of town, do the same. If we're going
to conduct ourselves as a South African-style
police state in which individual movements are
controlled along racial and economic lines, let the
"police" be open, unapologetic, and ruthless in
the enforcement of it. Why should they be afraid
to do otherwise? After all, they're "the law", so
who are we shit-daubing, unwashed, ignorant
citizens to question it?
(Append sarcasm tags as appropriate to the

above.)

You are taking things a bit to extreme...which is your right. I never

said that he didnt have a right to be there, but it was suspicious
and the cop had the right to investigate. No big deal, if you are
doing nothing wrong dont worry about it...what is the big deal
about answering a few questions.....If you want a lawyer say so, if
you want to shut up , fine just do it and dont make a big deal about
it. Grandstanding on either side does no good.
The commuter lot that you speak of is probably a state or municipal
lot and therefore falls under there control and very well may have
had no trespassing signs on it. For example if its not rush hour, and
there is no scheduled bus/train etc... go home. Dont like it call your
town council/state govt etc. That gives the cop the right to question
him, as an officer of the state. You dont like the laws again go to
your govt and have them changed.
As far as a police state...come on now. Really? If the people wanted
check points, etc then they would get them. As a matter of fact the
police around here have checkpoints and I have gone through
them...without incident. Do cops profile, Im sure they do....the
problem is that it works. Look at the Air Isreal, how many planes
have they lost to terrorisim...oh thats right.....none why? Yep you
guessed it profiling. Personally I dont mind it because Im not a
criminal, and If I get stopped in my neighborhood because there
looking for some gun toting asshole that looks like me fine. Better I
get stopped and checked than being robbed or carjacked at
gunpoint putting myself and my family at risk.
The constitution is a living and breathing thing and there is now
way the people who created it could count on whats going on today.
Are some freedoms being put at risk? Yeah but who do we have to
blame for that? (hint go look in a mirror) Thats right you and I.
Sometimes people cant handle the freedoms that they are given. If
you dont like the way things are going get involved, and run for
office or support those with the same ideals. Personally I would love
to see LESS government but I cant see that happening any time
soon. So I support those who have the same points of view.
You have some very passionate points of view, and thats great.
Good luck with them, just dont misguide your frustrations to those
that are enforcing the laws that the people YOU elected are
enforcing.
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Possibly a SOL The commuter lot that you speak of is probably a state
or municipal lot and therefore falls under there control
and very well may have had no trespassing signs on it.
Read the original post, Small L. In it, Brett gives the address of the
park and a number to call the MoDOT, which says there are no
posted hours for this PUBLIC LOT, I.E. ANY TAXPAYING CITIZEN
CAN BE THERE ANY FUC<KING TIME THEY WANT.
Location: Mount Olympus, Mars quote:
Posts: 347
Look at the Air Isreal, how many planes have they lost
to terrorisim...oh thats right.....none why? Yep you
guessed it profiling.
Yep, and the reason why I have no hemorrhoids is because it was

sunny yesterday: both are true, so one must have caused the
other, right?
quote:
Yeah but who do we have to blame for that? (hint go

look in a mirror) Thats right you and I.
No, that’s you and you. And what fu<king freedoms are you talking
about? The freedom to think exactly as the rulers want you to think
or be harassed by COINTELPRO type tactics? Freedom? Never seen
any.
quote:
Sometimes people cant handle the freedoms that they

are given.
But we would never know, since Amerikans are treated like

prisoners while the media talks about freedom and democracy.

quote:
If you dont like the way things are going get involved,
and run for office or support those with the same
ideals.
I would get involved but I don’t have any dirt on any of my old frat
boy pals so they would have me by the balls, getting dirt on me or
just ganging up on me and making up slander--by innuendo and by
direct statements.
quote:
So I support those who have the same points of view.
I bet you cover up for them too, much like a co-dependent wife
does for her drunken husband.
quote:
just dont misguide your frustrations to those that are

enforcing the laws that the people YOU elected are
enforcing.
What? Unclear syntax.
I didn’t vote for anyone. I don’t choose between garbage and trash
and keep one. I throw it all away.
Now, no one is misguiding their frustrations here. Misguiding our

frustrations would be busting into the local police station with a
machete and having a catharsis. We are directing our frustrations
the only way we can, with words, crystallizing our dissatisfaction
and its justification of the entire Amreikan system. Maybe I speak
for myself there, but I think for the most part, we all are similarly
at a loss for real action, aside from holding current corruption at
bay by filming and taping. But changing anything? The only way
that will happen is a mass, spontaneous armed insurrection. Period.
Change? Well, I guess another way to change things is to sabotage

their lies. Expose the truth as often as possible and make them
fu<k up trying to clean up the mess made by that truth. After
maybe hundreds of years, after a critical mass of people realize that
the powers that rule the world are nothing but a bunch of outlaws

in the clothing of saints, then maybe there will be some significant

change. Until then, change is window dressing.
I change myself. I grow spiritually, mentally, and emotionally. I try

to influence those I can reach in constructive, creative ways, but
the rest, I cross out of the Book of Life forever, get it, Judeo-
Christian slave?
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09-13-2007 09:52 PM
liberranter Originally posted by big lebowski

Super Moderator
quote:
I never said that he didnt have a right to be

there, but it was suspicious and the cop had
the right to investigate.
Registered: Jun 2005 Suspicious why? Did someone actually report the commission of
Location: Tucson, AZ a crime in the immediate vicinity where Brett Darrow was
Posts: 5865 parked that justified Kuehnlein's interrogation? If so, did Brett
or his vehicle match any descriptions of a suspect? "Suspicious"
is both a vague and subjective term. Unless Kuehnlein had
substantive grounds to be suspicious of Brett's presence at the
commuter lot, he had no reason to approach him and should
have left him alone.
quote:
No big deal, if you are doing nothing wrong

dont worry about it...what is the big deal
about answering a few questions.....If you
want a lawyer say so, if you want to shut up ,
fine just do it and dont make a big deal about
it. Grandstanding on either side does no good.
This is the old "If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't be
afraid to cooperate" line, one that anyone who values freedom
finds morally repugnant and that serves no other purpose than

to propogate state tyranny.
quote:
The commuter lot that you speak of is

probably a state or municipal lot and therefore
falls under there control and very well may
have had no trespassing signs on it. For
example if its not rush hour, and there is no
scheduled bus/train etc... go home.
If indeed it was a municple or state lot dedicated to the purpose

of parking for use of public transit, then it is a "public" piece of
property, the connotation being that citizens are extended an
open invitation to use it at their convenience. Did the lot have
signs specifically prohibiting "loitering" (another one of those
bogus "crimes" that involves harm to neither property or
person) or indicating that the lot was closed or off-limits
between certain hours of the day? If so, that would add a new
twist to this incident. If there were no such signs, however,
then Brett Darrow was well within his rights to park in the lot
which, after all is "public" property. Again, unless Sgt.
Kuehnlein had probable cause or reasonable suspicion that Brett
was involved in something illegal (neither of which Kuehnlein
appears to have had), there was no reason to question Brett's
presence.
quote:
Dont like it call your town council/state govt

etc.
I think you and I both know what an exercise in complete

futility such an act is. Unless it's election time, local government
is completely unresponsive to most citizen complaints.
quote:
That gives the cop the right to question him,

as an officer of the state.
Being an "officer of the state" [sic] does not confer unlimited

powers to question or detain a citizen under any circumstance

the cop wants (see the citation in today's entry on W.N. Grigg's
Pro Libertate blog (http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com)
of legal precedent that limits a cop's authority to accost citizens
at will).
quote:
You dont like the laws again go to your govt

and have them changed.
See my comment about calling your town council/state govt.
quote:
As far as a police state...come on now. Really?

If the people wanted check points, etc then
they would get them.
My point was that there are already checkpoints, regardless of

whether "the people" want them or not. Why doesn't the State
just drop the silly pretense that they're for "our
protection" (hah!) and admit that they are there for their
obvious purpose - to harrass and intimidate.
quote:
As a matter of fact the police around here

have checkpoints and I have gone through
them...without incident.
Why should you have had to? Did they have probable cause to
stop you in the first place?
quote:
Do cops profile, Im sure they do....the problem

is that it works. Look at the Air Isreal, how
many planes have they lost to terrorisim...oh
thats right.....none why? Yep you guessed it
profiling.

And Israel is also one of the most repressive police states in the
world, a nation that wages ethnic cleansing against one third of
those who live within its (illegally drawn) borders. I really don't
think you'll score points in this forum by trying to hold up Israel
as an ideal example of anything.
quote:
Personally I dont mind it because Im not a

criminal, and If I get stopped in my
neighborhood because there looking for some
gun toting asshole that looks like me fine.
Better I get stopped and checked than being
robbed or carjacked at gunpoint putting
myself and my family at risk.
Is your wool black or white? Rather than relying on the police to

"protect" you, something they are neither capable of nor
obligated to do, in the event of "some gun toting
asshole" (incidentally, why is "toting a gun" automatically
assumed to be the mark of someone intent on committing a
crime?) roaming the streets, you should he arming yourself for
your own defense. That way you seriously reduce the risk of
"being robbed or carjacked at gunpoint putting [your]self and
[your] family at risk" without jeopardizing the rights of your
fellow citizens who value freedom simply because you can't be
bothered to ensure your own safety.
quote:
The constitution is a living and breathing thing

and there is now way the people who created
it could count on whats going on today.
This is, of course, the stereotypical argument of the left-wingers

who have done more to destroy the freedoms guaranteed by
the Constitution than anyone up until the advent of the Bush
administration. The idea that the Constitution is "old" and "not
relevant to today" is pure bosh. There is nothing in the BoR, in
particular, that cannot be clearly and easily applied to life in
modern Ameri[k]a that wasn't applicable 220 years ago. This
"living Constitution" crap is a canard.
quote:
Are some freedoms being put at risk? Yeah

but who do we have to blame for that? (hint

go look in a mirror) Thats right you and I.
Correction - maybe you, but I, for one, have always fought for
mine and will continue to do so until I draw my last breath.
quote:
Sometimes people cant handle the freedoms

that they are given.
With that statement you've drawn me a clear picture of your

political upbringing.
No one is given freedom, pal; we are born free and sovereign

beings who must spend the rest of our lives fighting to preserve
those freedoms from destruction by the statist control freaks
who are very obviously your heroes.
quote:
If you dont like the way things are going get

involved, and run for office or support those
with the same ideals.
Running for office in today's political universe is a grandiose

waste of time and an exercise in futility for anyone who wants
to see a genuine reduction of government and real change. The
system is in the iron grip of those who are hellbent on
preserving the status quo and who will not for a second tolerate
anyone who is serious about change. Much as I would love to
see Dr. Ron Paul become President of the United States, there
is NO WAY IN HELL the establishment will let that happen. Even
if he was lucky enough to get elected, he would not last a
month in office before be driven out by (concocted) scandal,
coup, or "a fatal illness/accident" (yes, the CIA probably already
has "wetboys" on retainer to deal with the contingency of a Ron
Paul presidency).
quote:
Personally I would love to see LESS

government ...

I'm trying hard to reconcile that with your previous statements,

but it's not working. If I had a dime for all the people I've met
or corresponded with who claimed to "want less government",
but then said and did everything possible to support statist
institutions and their practices, I'd be a prominent member of
the Fortune 50 club.
quote:
You have some very passionate points of view,

and thats great. Good luck with them, just
dont misguide your frustrations to those that
are enforcing the laws that the people YOU
elected are enforcing.
Let me be perfectly clear on a couple of points:
1. I did not "elect" anyone. I am a passionate non-voter who

believes that voting for anyone or anything within the
framework of the corrupt, rotten American electoral process is
wasting time at best and committing an act of fraud at worst.
2. Those who are "enforcing the laws", said "laws" being for the
most part unconstitutional or immoral fiats that have nothing to
do with protecting the lives and property of the citizenry, are a
major part of the problem and are complicit in the anarcho-
tyranny that is devouring freedom in this nation. While I will
grant that some of them are naive pawns in the power game
who are simply ignorant of their proper (i.e, constitutional) role,
far too many others --the majority-- are willing and eager
agents of the ruling class that seeks to enslave us. For this
reason my "frustrations" toward them are not "misguided" at
all; indeed, they more than deserve as much venom as we can
direct at them until they see the error of their ways.
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Grigg

09-13-2007 09:58 PM
Johnthesalesman "...Did the lot have signs specifically prohibiting "loitering" (another
Incompletely Registered - one of those bogus "crimes" that involves harm to neither property
Possibly a SOL or person) or indicating that the lot was closed or off-limits between
certain hours of the day? If so, that would add a new twist to this
incident...."
No, it didn't have any such signs. Read Brett's post where he talks
about calling MoDOT and them telling him there are no forbidden
hours at all, i.e. the lot is open for use 24/7, as Brett already has
made clear. There was NO PROBABLE CAUSE IN THIS CASE.
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09-13-2007 10:02 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by Johnthesalesman
No, it didn't have any such signs. Read Brett's

post where he talks about calling MoDOT and
them telling him there are no forbidden hours
at all, i.e. the lot is open for use 24/7, as Brett
already has made clear. There was NO
PROBABLE CAUSE IN THIS CASE.

Posts: 5865
OK, I didn't think so. I must have overlooked that portion of his
post. I was posing the question as more a rhetorical one
anyway.
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Grigg
09-14-2007 12:21 AM
big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Originally posted by Johnthesalesman
Registered: Sep 2007 "...Did the lot have signs specifically prohibiting
Location: "loitering" (another one of those bogus "crimes"
Posts: 8 that involves harm to neither property or person)
or indicating that the lot was closed or off-limits
between certain hours of the day? If so, that
would add a new twist to this incident...."
No, it didn't have any such signs. Read Brett's

post where he talks about calling MoDOT and
them telling him there are no forbidden hours at
all, i.e. the lot is open for use 24/7, as Brett
already has made clear. There was NO PROBABLE
CAUSE IN THIS CASE.
Although you may or may not have valid points, I will not respond
until you learn to have a civilized discussion. Insulting me, and my
family does nothing but reaffirm the notion that some people here
have nothing better to do than sit behind a keyboard and rattle
useless crap off. If you want to debate any of your points I will be
glad to.
09-14-2007 01:23 AM

big lebowski quote:

Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2007 Originally posted by big lebowski
Location:
Posts: 8
Suspicious why? Did someone actually report the

commission of a crime in the immediate vicinity
where Brett Darrow was parked that justified
Kuehnlein's interrogation? If so, did Brett or his
vehicle match any descriptions of a suspect?
"Suspicious" is both a vague and subjective term.
Unless Kuehnlein had substantive grounds to be
suspicious of Brett's presence at the commuter
lot, he had no reason to approach him and should
have left him alone.
This is the old "If you have nothing to hide, you

shouldn't be afraid to cooperate" line, one that
anyone who values freedom finds morally
repugnant and that serves no other purpose than
to propogate state tyranny.
If indeed it was a municple or state lot dedicated

to the purpose of parking for use of public transit,
then it is a "public" piece of property, the
connotation being that citizens are extended an
open invitation to use it at their convenience. Did
the lot have signs specifically prohibiting
"loitering" (another one of those bogus "crimes"
that involves harm to neither property or person)
or indicating that the lot was closed or off-limits
between certain hours of the day? If so, that
would add a new twist to this incident. If there
were no such signs, however, then Brett Darrow
was well within his rights to park in the lot which,
after all is "public" property. Again, unless Sgt.
Kuehnlein had probable cause or reasonable
suspicion that Brett was involved in something
illegal (neither of which Kuehnlein appears to
have had), there was no reason to question
Brett's presence.
I think you and I both know what an exercise in

complete futility such an act is. Unless it's
election time, local government is completely
unresponsive to most citizen complaints.

Being an "officer of the state" [sic] does not

confer unlimited powers to question or detain a
citizen under any circumstance the cop wants
(see the citation in today's entry on W.N. Grigg's
Pro Libertate blog (http://www.
freedominourtime.blogspot.com) of legal
precedent that limits a cop's authority to accost
citizens at will).
See my comment about calling your town council/

state govt.
My point was that there are already checkpoints,

regardless of whether "the people" want them or
not. Why doesn't the State just drop the silly
pretense that they're for "our protection" (hah!)
and admit that they are there for their obvious
purpose - to harrass and intimidate.
Why should you have had to? Did they have

probable cause to stop you in the first place?
And Israel is also one of the most repressive

police states in the world, a nation that wages
ethnic cleansing against one third of those who
live within its (illegally drawn) borders. I really
don't think you'll score points in this forum by
trying to hold up Israel as an ideal example of
anything.
Is your wool black or white? Rather than relying

on the police to "protect" you, something they are
neither capable of nor obligated to do, in the
event of "some gun toting asshole" (incidentally,
why is "toting a gun" automatically assumed to
be the mark of someone intent on committing a
crime?) roaming the streets, you should he
arming yourself for your own defense. That way
you seriously reduce the risk of "being robbed or
carjacked at gunpoint putting [your]self and
[your] family at risk" without jeopardizing the

rights of your fellow citizens who value freedom

simply because you can't be bothered to ensure
your own safety.
This is, of course, the stereotypical argument of

the left-wingers who have done more to destroy
the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution than
anyone up until the advent of the Bush
administration. The idea that the Constitution is
"old" and "not relevant to today" is pure bosh.
There is nothing in the BoR, in particular, that
cannot be clearly and easily applied to life in
modern Ameri[k]a that wasn't applicable 220
years ago. This "living Constitution" crap is a
canard.
Correction - maybe you, but I, for one, have

always fought for mine and will continue to do so
until I draw my last breath.
With that statement you've drawn me a clear

picture of your political upbringing.
No one is given freedom, pal; we are born free

and sovereign beings who must spend the rest of
our lives fighting to preserve those freedoms
from destruction by the statist control freaks who
are very obviously your heroes.
Running for office in today's political universe is a

grandiose waste of time and an exercise in futility
for anyone who wants to see a genuine reduction
of government and real change. The system is in
the iron grip of those who are hellbent on
preserving the status quo and who will not for a
second tolerate anyone who is serious about
change. Much as I would love to see Dr. Ron Paul
become President of the United States, there is
NO WAY IN HELL the establishment will let that
happen. Even if he was lucky enough to get
elected, he would not last a month in office before
be driven out by (concocted) scandal, coup, or "a
fatal illness/accident" (yes, the CIA probably
already has "wetboys" on retainer to deal with
the contingency of a Ron Paul presidency).

I'm trying hard to reconcile that with your

previous statements, but it's not working. If I had
a dime for all the people I've met or corresponded
with who claimed to "want less government", but
then said and did everything possible to support
statist institutions and their practices, I'd be a
prominent member of the Fortune 50 club.
Let me be perfectly clear on a couple of points:
1. I did not "elect" anyone. I am a passionate non-

voter who believes that voting for anyone or
anything within the framework of the corrupt,
rotten American electoral process is wasting time
at best and committing an act of fraud at worst.
2. Those who are "enforcing the laws", said

"laws" being for the most part unconstitutional or
immoral fiats that have nothing to do with
protecting the lives and property of the citizenry,
are a major part of the problem and are complicit
in the anarcho-tyranny that is devouring freedom
in this nation. While I will grant that some of
them are naive pawns in the power game who are
simply ignorant of their proper (i.e,
constitutional) role, far too many others --the
majority-- are willing and eager agents of the
ruling class that seeks to enslave us. For this
reason my "frustrations" toward them are not
"misguided" at all; indeed, they more than
deserve as much venom as we can direct at them
until they see the error of their ways.
You have alot of valid points, and like I said before I dont agree
with what the officer did. I wasnt in the lot, I dont know it I dont
know if there are signs there I was offering expamples of what may/
may not have been a valid reason for the approach and the stop. I
know it is a bull**** stop on the traffic violation. But being public
land it is subject to certain rules, parks are public land but have
closing times....at least around here.
Apparently we disagree on the whole nothing to hide issue. I still
see nothing wrong with answering a few questions if indeed I am
innocent and doing nothing wrong. Again not knowing the lot and if
indeed there are no signs then it goes back to the bull**** traffic
stop and then the whole stop is then useless, and would be
discovered in court with the tape.
As far as the checkpoints in this town, they are "seatbelt" and
"safety" checkpoints. Bull**** yep, but they serve a purpose as the

officer that I spoke to told me..."were looking for the bad guys....
sorry to hold you up" Now I know what that meand because I live in
a city that has more than its share of crime, and since they have
had more roadblocks in the area crime has gone down. So I will live
whit the inconvience if it makes the neighborhood safer. Intrusion
on my personal freedom....I think not but I can see where some
people think it would be. To that I say cant live in a perfect world
and I tollerate it because this is where I choose to live.
I was not using the Iseralies as any type of perfect pollitical model,
believe me. They do however have a very effective way of
protecting there air passengers. Perfect...nope but I think it is alot
better than all the pc bull**** that goes on here. Lets face it....it
works.
Now I was not saying that I am relying on the police to protect
me....not here anyway I know that they are over worked and
understaffed. Most people here are gun toting thug juvenile
assholes that know jack **** about using a gun other than it
makes them "real men" Believe me I dont worry about people that
know how to use guns, as a matter of fact I would love to see more
people than know what to do have/and use them. It would make a
big difference here for sure.
I wasnt saying that the constitution was old or out dated, I believe
that it one of the most relevant pieces of paper ever written. I was
trying to say that some parts may need to be updated, and a way
to make sure that "police state" that everyone is so afraid of does
not come to pass. Something that is over 200 yrs old may need to
be updated that is why we can make ammendments. As we should,
the problem is that we need to proceed carefully and in todays
political climate.....both sides are a little out of wack.
I dont have any "heros" and Im not trying to defend any type of
political view. What I am saying is that nothing is perfect and that
thing sometimes need to be changed. The system that we have
allows that chance, but you have to get involved. If not you than
who? Why not start small...locally and move up from there.
Remember every revolution starts with a single voice, why not that
voice be yours. As far as my statement for less government I
believe it, but I also know that there are too many people that are
too dependant on what the governmend does...a true catch 22.
Less government, taxes etc but the problem is I cant see that
happening any time soon either.
I could go on, but I think this talk is getting away from its original
intent. thanks for expressing your views and giving me more ways
to look at thing and more points to ponder. It trully has been a
learning experience. I hope it has been the same with you. Till next
time.......BIG L
09-14-2007 01:52 AM

Mack Every cop should assume that every time he is called "Sir," the
Assistant Moderator person addressing him actually means "asshole."
There's just no getting around it. 95% of the time this will be true.
In fact, a cop should be more insulted by being called "sir" than

being called "asshole" because (1) he can do nothing about it, no
matter how obvious it is that it's an insult, because superficially it's
not an insult; (2), not only is it a concealed and unactionable insult,
Registered: Jul 2003 it's also a means of ridiculing and mocking the cop.
Location:
Posts: 5215 Like calling a hooker a lady, or a transient a gentleman, or a sow
svelte.
Such descriptions are just inherently and insultingly contradictory.

They are inescapably sarcastic. They emphasize the fact that
objective reality is the opposite of the description.
And the rule that "sir means asshole" applies almost exclusively to
cops.
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misconduct
generally."

misconduct.
09-14-2007 05:23 AM
Willowseed I just try to show the common man, be it a cop or a civilian or even
Member a soldier, common basic respect. Not all cops are assholes, not all
civilians are criminals OR angels, and not all soldiers are (whatever).
Location: I'll let them take the first step in showing disrespect.
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09-14-2007 06:02 AM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Every cop should assume that every time he is

called "Sir," the person addressing him
actually means "asshole."
...
In fact, a cop should be more insulted by

being called "sir" than being called "asshole"
Registered: Jun 2005 because (1) he can do nothing about it, no
Location: Tucson, AZ matter how obvious it is that it's an insult,
Posts: 5865
because superficially it's not an insult; (2), not
only is it a concealed and unactionable insult,
it's also a means of ridiculing and mocking the
cop.
Absolutely true. Would that the average cop had brains enough
to realize this. Unfortunately, most of them take the use of the
word "sir" at face value as a term of respect. Shades of irony
are usually lost on microscatocephalics.
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Grigg
09-14-2007 12:16 PM

Johnthesalesman "...Apparently we disagree on the whole nothing to hide issue. I still

Incompletely Registered - see nothing wrong with answering a few questions if indeed I am
Possibly a SOL innocent and doing nothing wrong...."
But I am innocent and doing nothing wrong if I have a joint in my

pocket. I am innocent and doing nothing wrong if I have
hypodermic syringe in my goddam pocket for chrissakes.
Just because the MAN and his loyal pack of dogs have decided to
deal massive quantities of drugs to placate the masses in scarce
times and then turn around and make drug use illegal as a sort of
cruel, social-engineering entrapment, does not mean that being a
drug user is wrong and should entail fines or imprisonment. If you
do drugs of any kind it means you are bored and want to seek
Location: Mount Olympus, Mars thrills, or you are traumatized, or it can mean many things. There
Posts: 347 are many drug users who are perfectly functional. Many of them are
lower-middle class...and there would be even more functional drug
users if drugs weren't illegal and so fu<king expensive.
Unfortunately, only the upper and the upper middle classes in this
country are immune from prosecution for drug use...oh yeah,
besides Rush Limbaugh.
For the rest of us who choose to MERELY ALTER OUR

CONSCIOUSNESS IN A MUCH LESS HARMFULLY AND WITH MUCH
LESS POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE THAN WITH ALCOHOL, a legal
drug.
I do not want to be SINGLED OUT by a p*g for smoking a joint,

especially since it is known that cops have more drug use among
them than the general population, yet still they give one another
empathy for the same 'crime' for which they label others 'pieces of
$hit'.
I don't think any drug activity except drug dealing in amounts of

above a kilogram (powder drugs) should be a crime anywhere in
the world. That would slow the drug trade way down though, and
the p*gs' bosses don't want that now do they?
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09-14-2007 12:41 PM

AVENGER big lebowski:

Senior Member "Personally I dont mind it because Im not a criminal, and If I get
stopped in my neighborhood because there looking for some gun
toting asshole that looks like me fine. Better I get stopped and
checked than being robbed or carjacked at gunpoint putting myself
and my family at risk."
Stopped and checked? Don't you mean "slammed onto the

pavement face down at gunpoint"? Doesn't that put you and your
Registered: Feb 2007 family at risk as well? I say that it does.
Location: This is hell.
Posts: 679 liberranter:
"That way you seriously reduce the risk of "being robbed or
carjacked at gunpoint putting [your]self and [your] family at risk"
without jeopardizing the rights of your fellow citizens who value
freedom simply because you can't be bothered to ensure your own
safety."
I recommended to my wife that she wear a shoulder holster in plain

sight if she was going to run alone after work. She has a concealed
carry permit, but it would be difficult to run with a .45 strapped to
your ankle. Common sense dictates that a person with a weapon
clearly visible while jogging is most likely not a criminal. How much
do you want to bet me that she gets stopped and questioned on a
regular basis in defiance of common sense?
#big lebowski:
"If you dont like the way things are going get involved, and run for
office or support those with the same ideals."
The huge campaigns mounted in order to get the typical American

idiot to simply vote are absolute mistakes. Why? Look at it this way:
Would you rather have 10% of the population who are educated
about the candidates and the issues vote their consciences or would
you rather have 90% of the uneducated, uninformed, uncaring
population vote simply so that they can say that they did their part?
That is how we get a "Dubya." Some say that the election was
rigged or stolen. I say that it shouldn't even have been close
enough to make a difference. During the first election, when I
noticed that the MSM was 100% behind Bush and that the public
wasn't questioning this obvious bias, I began asking people a few
questions:
1. "If you were to vote today, who would you vote for?"
The answer was invariably, "Bush."
2. "What is Bush's platform?"
The answer was invariably, "What do you mean?"
3. "What is he for and against? Is he pro abortion or pro life, for
example?"
The answer was invariably, "I don't know."
4. "What would you be basing your support for Bush upon then?"
The answer was invariably, "I don't know."
I do know. They were basing their views solely upon the fact that
all we ever heard or saw from the MSM was "Bush, Bush, Bush..."

It's basic name recognition and nothing more.

The point is, it is not enough to simply vote, but we must actually
ask that people who have no idea what the issues are or who the
candidates are refrain from voting.
Mack:
"Every cop should assume that every time he is called "Sir," the
person addressing him actually means "asshole."
There's just no getting around it. 95% of the time this will be true.
In fact, a cop should be more insulted by being called "sir" than
being called "asshole" because (1) he can do nothing about it, no
matter how obvious it is that it's an insult, because superficially it's
not an insult; (2), not only is it a concealed and unactionable insult,
it's also a means of ridiculing and mocking the cop.
Like calling a hooker a lady, or a transient a gentleman, or a sow
svelte.
Such descriptions are just inherently and insultingly contradictory.
They are inescapably sarcastic. They emphasize the fact that
objective reality is the opposite of the description.
And the rule that "sir means asshole" applies almost exclusively to
cops."
This explains the cops treating me like sh*t on a regular basis back
when I was dumb enough to believe the lies. I routinely called them
"sir," only to be yanked from my car and slammed against the
hood. This was also the case when I was nothing but up front and
honest when I was illegally raided. They assumed that everything I
said was a smart ass remark, when, in reality, they were simply
dumb ass cops.
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nothing."
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Navigatr1 I feel that we are just the messengers when it comes to reporting
Extended Sabatical bad cops, especially when news articles are posted about them
along with photos, addresses, and maps. There are some who want
to distract from this website by stating that we bash cops or are cop
haters. These people would rather shoot the messenger because
Registered: Jul 2003 they don't like the news that the messenger bears. Admittantly,
Location: there are some on this website that vent by bashing the cops, but
Posts: 31403 that is better then them taking their anger out on the cops
physically. It is their first amendment right of free speech to do so.
There is a massive archive of news articles in the News section of

this board that is a pulse of how bad cops are as reported by the
main stream media. We didn't commit these crimes. The bad cops
did. They are they ones to blame for the poor image of cops.
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/foru...p?s=&forumid=31
According to a Powerof10 game show survey, 30% of Americans

don't trust cops. The news articles could possibly be an
understanding why Americans don't trust police. Moreover, we are
becoming more of a police state every day as we require Americans
to register with the police. Registration not only affects the former
offenders, but their family members as well.
--Navigatr1
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09-20-2007 11:30 AM

Oldeman quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by Texastwister1
Registered: Sep 2007 If a good honest police officer came into our
Location: Texas coastal bend forum and was getting bashed i would not
Posts: 23 support this kind of action.
I would like to think that I'm a good and honest former police
officer. I only joined today and already have been bashed several
times for simply stating my own opinion. I guess that some people
that are on this website can't stand any honest cop and would
NEVER admit that honest cops even exist. I'm not mad at those
people, I just pity them for their outlook on life.
If you have truly been wronged (not just what you imagined), then
do whatever is necessary to put a stop to those crooked cops. If I
can help jail crooked cops, I will do every thing in my power to help
you in any way that I can. Be aware that I will verify your story to
be true BEFORE helping you. When your story checks out, you will
NOT find anyone more on your side than me.
As I said, "I HATE BAD COPS".
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09-22-2007 02:58 AM

Possibly a SOL Originally posted by Oldeman
I would like to think that I'm a good and honest
former police officer. I only joined today and
already have been bashed several times for
simply stating my own opinion. I guess that some
people that are on this website can't stand any
honest cop and would NEVER admit that honest
cops even exist. I'm not mad at those people, I
just pity them for their outlook on life.
If you have truly been wronged (not just what

you imagined), then do whatever is necessary to
Location: Mount Olympus, Mars put a stop to those crooked cops. If I can help jail
Posts: 347 crooked cops, I will do every thing in my power to
help you in any way that I can. Be aware that I
will verify your story to be true BEFORE helping
you. When your story checks out, you will NOT
find anyone more on your side than me.
As I said, "I HATE BAD COPS".
I would like to think that I'm Peter North...but I'm not, see?
If you think you can go down to the masonic lodge and stop those
corrupt greasy bastards with an old corrupt ideology behind them,
go ahead tough guy. I doubt you or any of us can take on a system
so powerful that it seeks to squish any that are not fully loyal to it...
e.g. you and 93 other coppers coming here to try to slow our
momentum or even cause us to doubt ourselves. Listen pal, I know
I don't know you, but anyone who considers judges, lawyers, cops,
and generally those in the system as friends is immediately suspect
in my book, kay?
Do I have the right to be skeptical of, distrustful of, and even

vengeful toward the oldest group of grifters-by-statute-and-by-mob
that there is? I think so. The cops are nothing but the gunners for
the mafia (masons and other eastern star affiliations like the FOP).
You liars can come here and try to play that 'we're just a bunch of
nice guys upholding the law' thing all day, and I'll just keep on
reading Alice and Wonderland and learning more than I could ever
learn listening to the likes of you.
Latuh sucka. Your spells don't work on me, see, cuz I'm an old man
too see, and I've been around, see. Some might even call me a
wizard, see. I love black magicians: no matter what you do to
them, you don't feel bad.

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duncan There is no such thing as a good Cop.

Moderator
Give us your defintiion of the term "good cop".
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09-23-2007 10:45 PM
Navigatr1 I hope the cops appreciate our First Amendment right to hold them
Extended Sabatical accountable when they break the law. We have provided numerous
news articles, and where we can, we also provided pictures,
addresses, and other information that has been found via public
resources. Sometimes the information comes from the news article,
Registered: Jul 2003 court case(s), law enforcement website, or other database.
Location: Members of law enforcement and public officials have deemed that
Posts: 31403 this is public information which should be freely available on the
Internet. We have tried to collate the information where possible,
and if we have the time. They have only themselves to blame for
any embarrassment that it creates for themselves, or the light they
put all law enforcement in. The bad apples make all Sworn Officers
of the Law look bad.

--Navigatr1
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harrassed2death Good cops?

Junior Member
Does anyone else SEE! the sick and twisted wheel of reality being
played out here?
Registered: Dec 2009 ARe there good cops? OF course! plenty of them.
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5 Cops need to understand this about HUMANITY that they are
dealing with, as well!!!
ALL the people they go out to serve every day are not BAD! and we
don't want to be suspected of this BEFORE we've had a chance to
say otherwise anymore than the good cops want to be accused of
being one of the "bad" cops before anyone gets to know their
record! LOL!! the idiocy of humanity is truly astounding.
There are some who are also OVERLY concerned with whether a cop
is also a "freemason" or not.
It doesn't matter does it? Why?
Because freemansonry is also the same "wheel" of humanity that is

being used as a different weapon of fear.
Freemasonry allows and accepts ALL COMERS (just like the mix of
humanity, no?) of any race, creed, color, etc. But people bent on
creating and spreading "fear" insist that in this "group" called
freemasonry there is something "nefarious" going on behind the
curtain. LOL!!!!
Well, if there is, it is nothing more nefarious and evil that is not

already happening between the brothers and sisters of humanity

that the freemasons had nothing to do with, except to "reveal" the
true "light" hidden inside every brother and sister on the planet!
If anyone "suspects" the freemasons of being evil, it may be

because of what you are already surrounded with in your own mind,
or life, and not because of anything "they" have done, or are
accused of doing.
So, whether or not a cop is a freemason, or not, is irrelevant to the

broader issue at large and why any rogue cop is a rogue cop. It is
certainly not because he is a freemason, as much as it is that the
rogue cop is a "member" of humanity first!
"A donkey carrying a pile of holy books is still a donkey!"
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Night Raven
Senior Member
quote:
Good cops?
Does anyone else SEE! the sick and twisted wheel of
reality being played out here?
ARe there good cops? OF course! plenty of them.

Location: Cops need to understand this about HUMANITY that
Posts: 4804 they are dealing with, as well!!!
ALL the people they go out to serve every day are not
BAD! and we don't want to be suspected of this
BEFORE we've had a chance to say otherwise anymore
than the good cops want to be accused of being one of
the "bad" cops before anyone gets to know their
record! LOL!! the idiocy of humanity is truly astounding.
There are some who are also OVERLY concerned with

whether a cop is also a "freemason" or not.
It doesn't matter does it? Why?
Because freemansonry is also the same "wheel" of

humanity that is being used as a different weapon of
fear.

Freemasonry allows and accepts ALL COMERS (just like

the mix of humanity, no?) of any race, creed, color,
etc. But people bent on creating and spreading "fear"
insist that in this "group" called freemasonry there is
something "nefarious" going on behind the curtain.
LOL!!!!
Well, if there is, it is nothing more nefarious and evil

that is not already happening between the brothers and
sisters of humanity that the freemasons had nothing to
do with, except to "reveal" the true "light" hidden inside
every brother and sister on the planet!
If anyone "suspects" the freemasons of being evil, it

may be because of what you are already surrounded
with in your own mind, or life, and not because of
anything "they" have done, or are accused of doing.
So, whether or not a cop is a freemason, or not, is

irrelevant to the broader issue at large and why any
rogue cop is a rogue cop. It is certainly not because he
is a freemason, as much as it is that the rogue cop is a
"member" of humanity first!
"A donkey carrying a pile of holy books is still a

donkey!"
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Uh...harassed2death...
...having a considerable amount of difficulty determining what your

comment means here, as it's a bit incoherent...
Anyway, from what I can gather, you like cops, you may yourself
be a cop, we should all watch out for some sort of "wheel of
reality"(?), freemasons get blamed for everything, and donkeys
may occasionally be pressed into service to carry various "holy
books"....y e a h......
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a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live
peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer
whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and

that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just
whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you."
--Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003)
"Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society

knew, it had a cop problem."
--Tom Robbins
12-14-2009 11:18 AM
harrassed2death No, night raven, i am NOT! a cop nor do i want to be one, or date
Junior Member one, etc.
Most of them are *****s and drunken bastards.
You didn't understand what i posted, which was a "response" to

Location: Massachusetts another post. I get that.
Posts: 5
What i don't get is your paranoia. You made even less sense than
you accuse me of making.
What was the point of your comment to my response to someone

else's post about what "degree" a cop might be in the freemason
ranks?
Maybe i didn't click on the right button, or put the right heading in
my response, but i doesn't rate up there with a paranoid attack
either. If you don't understand the quote below, i will be happy to
explain it.
"A donkey carrying a pile of holy books is still a donkey"

-a Sufi master
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12-14-2009 06:14 PM

DGRZB122 quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Nov 2009 There is no such thing as a good Cop.
Location:
Posts: 7 Give us your defintiion of the term "good cop".
Why do most citizens blindly believe that the police leave all
personal problems at home and come to work as detached,
objective full-fledged professionals who never allow their emotions
to influence their behavior while "serving and protecting" the public?
The police are people and if the're having a bad day;Family

problems, substance abuse problems, anger-management issues
and other normal human attributes, they will take this baggage with
them on the job.
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AVENGER quote:
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Originally posted by DGRZB122
Why do most citizens blindly believe that the
police leave all personal problems at home and
come to work as detached, objective full-fledged
professionals who never allow their emotions to
influence their behavior while "serving and
protecting" the public?
Posts: 679
Because it is too terrifying for the weak to face the truth -- that in
reality, their safety is their own responsibility.
Ex: The parents of a dead teenager, while claiming the brilliance of
their late daughter, calling for legislation against texting while
driving. Not because some lowlife killed their daughter while doing
something so obviously idiotic, but because she, herself, was
texting while driving. Way to take personal responsibility and pass it
on to everyone else, Mom and Dad. How about some legislation
against moronic parents and their asinine offspring? How about
some truth? Baby girl was an irresponsible moron, and it is easy to
see where she learned that. Natural selection achieved.
Don't get me wrong here. I am not so cold-hearted as to completely
lack sympathy for another's loss. RIP, common sense and personal
responsibility.
Since they can't point an accusatory finger and sue someone else,
perhaps they should sue themselves. After all, they provided the
vehicle. They provided the cell phone. They provided no education,
supervision, or common sense to go with them. If their daughter
had survived, would they be calling for charges to be filed against
her? Something tells me the answer to that question is a
resounding negative.
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02-07-2010 10:58 AM
duncan "Why do most citizens blindly believe that the police leave all
Moderator personal problems at home and come to work as detached,
objective full-fledged professionals who never allow their emotions
Registered: Jul 2003 to influence their behavior while "serving and protecting" the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado public?"
Posts: 9006
Why do you believe that most citizens believe the stuff you just
posted? If what you say is true then we must rid society of police
and I'm talking about the profession and not individuals. If thier
personal lives influence bad behavior and copscum think that's just
peachy then we have no other option but to be rid of the existing
police structure. You will find no pity from us and copscum show no
pity towards thier victims.
"The police are people and if the're having a bad day;Family

problems, substance abuse problems, anger-management issues
and other normal human attributes, they will take this baggage with
them on the job."
I agree police are people and like most people they cannot be
trusted with power. The "We are only people" excuse will never fly
with me. If I f*ck up can I tell the judge "I'm omly human and
make mistakes, let me off your honor." No way you say. So why
should swine be above the law?
We are going to hold you swine to the same standards that you
hold us to. No mercy.
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02-07-2010 03:12 PM
DGRZB122 Heck, nothing I'd love to see more than serious, no-holds-barred
Junior Member police reform WITH psychological testing before becoming a cop (in
addition to other stringent standards) to periodic psychological and
Registered: Nov 2009 substance abuse testing of officers and as much as I agree with
Location: you, Duncan, that "just being people" is NO excuse for officer's
Posts: 7
breaking the law-FREQUENTLY,
the courts, city & town review boards usually go VERY easy on
officers unless the crime is so heinous and infamous that the officer
is actually sent to prison to show the public that "we're not allowing
the "few bad apples" to hurt you people."
02-07-2010 10:31 PM
duncan "Heck, nothing I'd love to see more than serious, no-holds-barred
Moderator police reform WITH psychological testing before becoming a cop"
Registered: Jul 2003 They already have this sort of thing in place. The question is "Which
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado came first the chicken or the egg?" Are many copscum psycho's
Posts: 9006 prior to getting hired or do they become psycho's as a result of the
job? A bit of both in some cases, but in most cases they become
assholes after they have been on the job for a few years, becuase
as we all know power corrupts.
"(in addition to other stringent standards) to periodic psychological

and substance abuse testing of officers and as much as I agree with
you, Duncan, that "just being people" is NO excuse for officer's
breaking the law-FREQUENTLY,"
The fact that they are just people, just like you and me most of the
time and prior to becoming copscum, is reason enough not to give
these people any power over other people. Any form of cop
standards would be and is a waste of time, the copscum will still be
assholes.
"the courts, city & town review boards usually go VERY easy on
officers unless the crime is so heinous and infamous that the officer
is actually sent to prison to show the public that "we're not allowing
the "few bad apples" to hurt you people.""
The problem is they are all bad apples.
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Have you received an unsolicited phone call from a police union seeking donations?
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Mack Have you received an unsolicited phone call from a police union seeking
Assistant Moderator donations?
Have you received an unsolicited phone call from a police

union seeking donations?
FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS
Location: 1) If you've received such calls, approximately how many of them
Posts: 5215 have you gotten, and how frequently does it happen?
2) What types of sales pitch were you given in an effort to garner

your sympathy?
3) If you contribute to the alleged "charity", how much do you

typically give?
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misconduct
generally."

misconduct.
04-22-2006 12:54 AM
xtratabasco 2 or 3 times a year.

Senior Member
the local paper always says its a scam and not to give.
Location: the cops here always ask for money at the dare events, baseball
Posts: 2869 games, ice skating night, mini golf etc. etc.
04-22-2006 01:38 AM

JmE Re: Have you received an unsolicited phone call from a police union
Senior Member seeking donations?
FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS
Registered: Aug 2005 1) If you've received such calls, approximately how many of
Location: Directly behind you them have you gotten, and how frequently does it happen?
Posts: 861 I can not honestly remember the frequency. They used to happen
in clusters but thankfully I have not had any in a long while.
2) What types of sales pitch were you given in an effort to

garner your sympathy?
They never get to the sales pitch because I interrrupt them and tell
them I hate all copscum and those that solicit money in their name.
I usually ask the caller their name and home phone number.
3) If you contribute to the alleged "charity", how much do

you typically give?
Of course I never give, if they are stupid enough to stay on the line,
I start asking them for money to buy more MREs, ammo, gear,
etc. :sniper: (I can only recall one idiot staying on the line long
enough for me to ask them for money.)
Upon reflection, I kind of miss those calls. They were a good way to
vent. Perhaps this year will bring on another cluster! At least it is
something to which to look forward.
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04-22-2006 03:01 AM

Mack I get these annoying calls at least a few times a year. Recently, I've
Assistant Moderator changed my method of handling them. I used to just hang up, but
now I pretend to be very interested, and pump them for
information.
I told the last caller that I wanted to donate more than their
suggested amount, but that I wanted them to send me some
information first.
Registered: Jul 2003 They said they would, and I hope they will. If they do, I'll post the
Location: info here.
Posts: 5215
The mainstream media doesn't do an adequate job of publicizing
these scams.
I think these phony cop-charities deserve just as much scrutiny as

the bad cops they represent.
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misconduct
generally."

misconduct.
04-22-2006 08:32 PM
GC Marciano I usually receive these calls four times a year, two calls to my
Copwatcher Extraordinaire home number and two calls to my office number.
The calls usually come in the spring and fall. So far this year I
have received only one call, it came during the second week of
March, to my home telephone number.
Upon my inquiry, the caller explained that the Policeman's

Benevolent Association is a professional association, funded by
membership dues and citizen contributions that provides legal,
Registered: Jul 2003 disciplinary and other representation to police officers.
Posts: 9967 I politely asked why I would be interested in helping to pay for
either the legal fees or disciplinary representation for a police
officer who violated the rights of; or committed a crime against
the same people they are seeking funds from?

Before he could cut me off, I inquired as to whether there are

any associations soliciting contributions from police officers,
that would have a fund available for the legal defense of a
citizen who may commit a crime against an officer?
The call abruptly ended.
Oh well, there should be three more calls this year to mess

with...
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Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Oh well, there should be three more calls this

year to mess with...

Location:
Posts: 5215
That's great. It's kind of fun to mess with them, I think.
90% of their call list is probably made up of little old ladies who
remember the old days when cops were good, and are under the
misguided impression that things are still the same.
The police-union leaches tell their bs sob stories of all the good
works they do, and then without a twinge of conscience suck the
hard-earned cash from these poor old ladies who are struggling to
get by on fixed incomes.

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04-23-2006 07:33 PM
dr pepper About three times a year.

Senior Member
I just tell them I'm not interested before they start their spill
Location: No money
Posts: 138
06-16-2006 03:06 PM
GC Marciano You should tell them to get a job and work for their money like
Copwatcher Extraordinaire everyone else.
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06-16-2006 07:19 PM

Navigatr1 I receive a few of these types of calls every year from someone
Extended Sabatical representing some police charity. They usually ask to send me out
an envelope to send them money, and I tell them no. Sometimes
they go on that it's for the kids crap to sucker me, and I still tell
them no. If I tell them that these types of calls are usually scams,
Registered: Jul 2003 they will tell me that it is not a scam.
Location:
Posts: 31403 --Navigatr1
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their people."
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06-20-2006 10:36 AM
liberranter Next time Fairfax County FOP calls for their annual begathon,
Super Moderator I'm going to tell them that I'll contribute to the FOP if the FOP
contributes to the Salvatore Culosi memorial fund.
They won't be able to hang the phone up fast enough.....
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Posts: 5865 "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with
Grigg

06-20-2006 11:15 AM
EndOfAuthority If its really for police or not its still a SCAM all the way. Don't the
Junior Member dirtbags get enough funding writing lame tickets, and bogus DUI
charges?
Location: IN referance to DUI charges. Look up information on how unreliable
Posts: 14 their breathalizers are, and how your .08 might in actually be
significantly less then what is claimed, im not condoning drunk
driving,
however their arresting people who hardly had anything to drink,
and definitely not enough to be intoxicated.
In writing, its .08 but CAN(and likely will) arrest a .04(if you appear
to be intoxicated, which of course they'll lie) and of course, ya can't
believe a machine that makes the government money if it reads
right.
sorry just had to explain myself on the last one, lol
02-06-2007 10:00 PM
Mack Good points. Another issue is that different peoples (ie ethnic
Assistant Moderator groups or races) metabolize alcohol at different average rates, and
can, on average, consumer greater or lesser amounts before being
impaired.
But the inevitable result of diversity is that we're all required to

adhere to the limits set by the most easily impaired segments of
society.
Registered: Jul 2003 It's like restricting everyone's right to carry a gun because a certain
Location: segment of society commits a massively disproportionate quantity
Posts: 5215 of gun crimes.
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02-06-2007 10:41 PM
EndOfAuthority thanks for replyin about the issue, yeah thats pretty much what ive
Junior Member read, also that the breath machines work under the assumption
"everyones wired the same"
Location: Im a victim of such charge, thats why I mentioned it. I got court in
Posts: 14 a few weeks, blew .08 wile sober, or .09, cop couldn't seem to
decide which one it was? I was fixing a flat tire and first one to the
scene, a cop of course, claiming to smell alcohol a couple hours
after my last drink plus I ate a large pizza. going by the whole "one
drink a hour" rule, I drank less then that, plus im 6'2 280lb. I have
no criminal or bad driving record, so hopefully no jail(noone I know
has went to jail for a first dui around here, plus theirs was worse)
Ive known for awile about police corruption. this just has lately
make my views more extreme. I call em the traffic police, since
that seems to be their #1 thing, people are getting shot up at
clubs, rapped, etc etc but police would rather write speeding
tickets, and hand out DUIs to people who barely drank enough to
give an infant a buzz.
I don't have any personal experience with any major police

misconduct. but it all comes down to the same thing. Like Thomas
Jefferson once said, "When the government fears the people there
is liberty, when people fear the government, there is tyranny". I
beleave it boils down to the whole government and elected officials,
as well as police.
Oh ****, I totally changed the subject didn't I? oops
02-06-2007 10:55 PM
liberranter Just coincidentally, I got a call last night from an organization

Super Moderator claiming to be raising funds for the Pima County Sheriff's
Department widows and orphans fund (normally I rely on caller
ID to filter out calls like this; unfortunately, the incoming
number closely resembled one on my "allow" list).
I didn't even allow two sentences out of the huckster's mouth

before announcing "We don't feed the pigs in this household."
He hung up before the word "pigs" even left my mouth. Sweet!
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03-30-2007 01:03 PM
Mack Good one, Liberranter. I got one of these calls the other day and I
Assistant Moderator went back and forth with the caller for a while trying to ascertain
exactly who they were and who they were calling for. I asked them
to send me documentation, and they said they would, but I won't
hold my breath.
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04-11-2007 11:42 PM

AVENGER We actually received a letter with the local sheriff's letterhead on it.
Senior Member I took this as a blatant attempt at extortion. You know--pay us or
we'll harass the crap out of you for being a bad citizen. It was even
worded in that manner: "We know that you are a decent and
upstanding citizen..." They know? Been looking at my records
without cause? Too much free time between bouts of harassing the
innocent? I threw it in the trash, where most of our "justice"
system's correspondence belongs.
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05-18-2007 05:36 PM
liberranter Funny you should bump this thread back to life. I actually just
Super Moderator got through my first week of peace and quiet without having a
paid solicitor for the Filthy Odor of Pigs calling my home
begging for slops. I swear that for three solid weeks I was
getting at least two, sometimes as many as four calls per day
(all originating from one local number; how stupid are these
people?) begging for donations. Normally I ignore these calls
and only made the mistake of picking up the first time because
the caller's number was similar by one digit to a friend's
residential number. At first I was civil and politely declined to
contribute. Human decency at this point would have dictated
Registered: Jun 2005 that they remove my number from their solicitation list, but
Location: Tucson, AZ since human decency and anything related to cops are 180
Posts: 5865 degrees diametrically opposed, it should come as no surprise
that I began to get a steady slew of calls, daily, for three
weeks. Finally, I picked up the receiver one morning, let the
shill start his canned Spiel, and then shouted into the receiver
"We don't feed the pigs in this household!" and slammed the
receiver down. Now anyone with an IQ above 20 would have
taken this as a strong hint to not bother calling my number
again, but apparently the paid solicitors for Porky Pig's
Clubhouse are no smarter than their clients. The next day, the
phone rang again, same number. This time, in addition to
repeating the statement that providing porcines with
sustenance is a violation of household rules, I added that if I
received one more call from these people that I would file

harrassment charges with Qwest and would report the FOP to

the state Attorney General's office for violation of charitable
solicitation law. I don't know if that scared them or not, but I
never got another call again after that.
The simple moral of this story is that taking the high road with
such charities will get you nothing but more abuse. Lay down
the law (pun intended, I guess) the first time they hold their
slop troughs out.
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05-18-2007 08:02 PM
Mack Nov 4, 2004 8:50 pm US/Mountain

Assistant Moderator Gephardt Investigates: Police Telemarketing Threat
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_309155201.html
Can you imagine getting a junk call from a police fund raiser, only
to be threatened with police at your door, because you decide not
to give? That happened to a Price woman, who decided to “Get
Gephardt” to get to the bottom of the fund raiser.
Registered: Jul 2003 And guess what? The fund raiser making all the police threats was,
Location: in fact, a fund raiser for the police. Law enforcement or not, nobody
Posts: 5215 is allowed to threaten you on the phone.
When the telemarketer called this year on behalf of the Utah

Fraternal Order of Police, Sandy offered a donation but when
telemarketer demanded a credit card number, Sandy said no and
hung up. That's when the threats began on her answering machine.
(Sandy plays the message left on her answering machine.) "Now

Sandy, I'm gonna call back one more time and if I get the
answering machine one more time, I'm going to send an officer to

your doorstep. So, I'm going to hang up and call back, and you'd
better pick up this next time."
"It was a threat against me," said Sandy.
And that wasn't the end of it; the harassment continued into
another frightening message.
(Sandy plays the second message left on her answering machine.)

"Good job, Sandy. You just struck out, it's over, there will be a swat
team on your doorstep in about five minutes."
"At first it kind of worried me, after I listened to the tape a couple
of times,” said Sandy. “He was representing a peace officer."
We tracked the fundraiser here, to New Jersey. The company

operating the telephone room is known as Civic Development
Group. They would not return our phone calls.
So we went to the Utah organization which hired civic development

group, the Utah Fraternal Order of Police.
“We were extremely upset,” said Detective Chad Soffe.
Det. Soffe is President of the organization and he called Civic

Development Group.
"They did an investigation. I let them know at eight in the morning,

and by two p.m., this person was terminated from the company,”
said Det. Soffe.
“Have you fired the company?” asked Bill.
“No we have not, not as of yet,” said Det. Soffe.
(Review of second first message on Sandy’s answering machine.) “…

and if I get the answering machine one more time, I'm going to
send an officer to your doorstep.”
Part of the reason Sandy says she believes she got this threat was
because the fundraiser wanted her credit card number for a
donation. But you're not supposed to give out your credit card
number over the phone. Any police officer might know that.
"My recommendation would be you never give your credit card

number over the phone but detective, that's not your
recommendation?” asked Bill.
“Absolutely. When I do fraud presentations, we tell people the same

thing. Unless you initiate the call, or you are confident who you're
giving the card number to, then don't do it,” said Det. Soffe.
“And yet, it's okay if your fundraiser requests credit card numbers?”
asked Bill.

“Well, all we did was give them the option to do that,” said Det.
Soffe.
Back in New Jersey, after two months of trying to get a call back,
when we sent a camera to photograph their headquarters, they
finally called back. Despite the fact that the head of the Fraternal
Order of Police said the telemarketer who threatened Sandy was
fired, Civic Development Group now says he was not. He was just
suspended. He's still working and Civic Development Group now
denies that they ever made that call to Sandy, period. And the Utah
Fraternal Order of police has them still working to make calls in
Utah.
As for Sandy, she hopes she never gets another call from Civic
Development Group working on behalf of the Utah Fraternal Order
of police.
But it's likely she will. The Utah Fraternal Order of Police is
continuing with the New Jersey telemarketer. Now after months of
not calling us back, the telemarketer's lawyer sent us this letter
saying "there was an attempt to call Sandy back, but the call was
disconnected because the equipment does not allow the operator to
leave a voice mail on an answering machine." And "…the company's
investigation to this point indicates the call was not originated by an
employee or representative of the company."
In the meantime, the Utah Division of Consumer Protection is

investigating. The telemarketer's lawyer is in touch with the Utah
officials.
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07-10-2007 08:49 PM

Mack Spitzer lawsuit targets police donation telemarketer

Assistant Moderator The Business Review (Albany) - February 22, 2005
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/s...21/daily12.html
New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said Tuesday he has sued a
telemarketing company for improper business practices, including
the false claims by solicitors that they worked for law enforcement
agencies and that all donations would go to charity.
Registered: Jul 2003 Spitzer contended in a suit filed in state Supreme Court in Albany,
Location: N.Y., that Liberty Productions' employees also falsely said they were
Posts: 5215 calling from the offices of the 16 police-related groups they were
soliciting for.
The suit names the owners of Liberty Productions, Thomas J. Gity,

49, of Seekonk, Mass., and his son Thomas J. Gity, 24, of
Barrington, R.I.
Spitzer alleged that the elder Gity was convicted of embezzlement

in 2000 in a fund-raising scheme involving Rhode Island charities --
an offense that barred him from working legally as a fund-raiser in
New York state. The younger Gity was registered as Liberty
Production's owner in an attempt to get around that ban, Spitzer
contended.
The suit seeks to bar the Gitys and Liberty Productions from
operating again in New York state.
Liberty Productions could not be reached Tuesday for comment.
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Mack See this thread for info on the legal basis for prohibiting charitable
Assistant Moderator solicitations on behalf of cops:
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...&threadid=15816
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Have you received an unsolicited phone call from a police union seeking donations?
Yes, many times: I always contribute 1 1.56%

Yes, many times: I never contribute 39 60.94%
No, never 3 4.69%
A few times: I always contribute 0 0%
A few times: I never contribute 21 32.81%
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friend2no-thug Yeah I have recieved these calls, but I always told them that my
"What the government is good at is husband was in prison and I have 4 kids on welfare so I just cant'
collecting taxes, taking away your afford it right now.
freedoms and killing people.
This is something I tell everyone who calls or knocks looking for
money but I do remember a time when a guy called me asking
for money for some police fund and even after I told him my
story he still tried to squeeze me for money. He promised me a
bumper sticker or something like that... yeah I am sure it was a
Location: Everett Washington
Posts: 190 bumper sticker for about $5.00 but if I could come up with more I
would get tickets to a dinner party ( or something like that).
I was pretty shocked at the time considering I hadn't quite
caught on to the corruption of these jerk off's yet but I did tell
him to go ahead and send me out the pre paid self addressed
envelope in the mail and that I would ask the church to send em
a donation.
They sent the envelope, I threw it in the garbage of course.
I was a little amazed at the gall of these guys and wondered how
many other people did they BEG for money and how many of
those people actually sent it. With the promise of a nifty bumper
sticker of course, oh, and a dinner with cops and their families.
ooohhh the excitement of eating with livestock, I am sooo kicking
myself for not attending the pi8 feed.
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08-09-2007 03:07 AM
kapikui I get a lot of calls soliciting donation for the sheriff's department.
Junior Member Within about 48 hours of that call, there's a news story with the
county Sheriff warning everyone that it's a scam, and not to
Registered: Sep 2007 contribute any money to them, as the local sheriff's department
Location: doesn't get any (or much) of the money.
Posts: 1
Technically, if they donate at least (I think) 5% or so of the proceeds
to what they claim they're donating to, it's legal, and they can't
legally be stopped, but that doesn't stop the Sheriff from shooting
them down.
09-12-2007 10:10 AM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by kapikui
I get a lot of calls soliciting donation for the

sheriff's department. Within about 48 hours of
that call, there's a news story with the county
Sheriff warning everyone that it's a scam, and
not to contribute any money to them, as the
local sheriff's department doesn't get any (or
much) of the money.
Posts: 5865
The sheriff's department is just jealous of the fact that someone

other than their own is out there threatening their monopoly on
fraud by scamming and ripping off the citizenry.
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09-13-2007 12:19 PM
pyo1 I have gotten quite a few of these in the past, but haven't had one in
Senior Member a few years. I let them believe that I am interested in donating then
tell them there is something outside that requires my attention. I lay
Registered: May 2009 the phone down beside the TV and go find something else to do!
Location: Oklahoma
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07-14-2009 04:41 PM
panola The state police union??? or something another has called soliciting
Member funds, I said I would and they sent the paper work (and sticker) but I
called up the state police and asked them about this group, the
Registered: Feb 2007 officer told me they do not solicit funds and basically said "don't send
Location: Dumpster behind them money".
Popeyes
Posts: 55
Some one needs to record one of these calls and ask them if they are
with the state police? If they say "yes" the evidence should be turned
over to officials and they should be arrested for portraying the
"police".
I used to get these calls. Probably still do but I'm a little more picky
with the calls I do answer.
07-14-2009 06:19 PM
pyo1 http://forums.officer.com/forums/sh...361#post1930361
Senior Member
Registered: May 2009 window decals

Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1564 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yearly, I pledge money to different local police organizations which in
turn
send me window decals to display my support. I always thought they
are to
be put on the windshield or side windows.
Last night, however, I was pulled over on an expressway by a highway

patrol
car (marked sheriff) while I was on my motorcycle. The officer told me
that
according to VTL I'm not allowed to have these decals on my vehicle's
windshiled.
Why do the police organizations I support send me the window decals?
Thank you very much!
Simon
New York
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08-06-2009 12:51 PM
zonmoy quote:
Member
Originally posted by GC Marciano
I usually receive these calls four times a year, two
calls to my home number and two calls to my office
number.
The calls usually come in the spring and fall. So far

this year I have received only one call, it came
Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin during the second week of March, to my home
Posts: 55 telephone number.
Upon my inquiry, the caller explained that the

Policeman's Benevolent Association is a
professional association, funded by membership
dues and citizen contributions that provides legal,
disciplinary and other representation to police
officers.
I politely asked why I would be interested in

helping to pay for either the legal fees or
disciplinary representation for a police officer who
violated the rights of; or committed a crime against
the same people they are seeking funds from?
Before he could cut me off, I inquired as to

whether there are any associations soliciting
contributions from police officers, that would have
a fund available for the legal defense of a citizen
who may commit a crime against an officer?
Oh well, there should be three more calls this year

to mess with...
You should ask next time if there are any associations begging
money from cops to cover the expenses and compensate the wrongly
convicted and all other victims of police malfeasance. Make the net
wider to cover all their crimes.
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Do police officers live by the oath they took?

Yes, ALL officers live by the oath. 2 2.41%

There are a few bad apples, but most live by the oath. 11 13.25%
Most officers violate the oath and make no attempt to live
38 45.78%
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Cops have no credibility because they ALL willfully violate
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GC Marciano The "Oath".

This is the Oath that all cops must swear to.
How many actually live by it? I personally know many, many

members of LE from the local to the federal level and I can't think
of a single one that has not violated this oath in one way or
another.
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12-09-2005 05:37 PM
GC Marciano "...to respect the constitutional rights of all people..."

"...keep my private life unsullied..."
"...and never accepting gratuities..."
Above are three quick examples of how our resident scumbag cop
"L.E. Zero" regularly violates his oath. If I spent a minute I'm sure
I could uncover many more.
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12-10-2005 02:25 PM
Texastwister1 Im sure our resident scumbag L. E. Zero has many skeltons in the
Senior Member closet that he don't want exposed.
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JmE 'a house divided'

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IMHO, it is impossible to discharge their duties (even the 'best' of LE)

without violating the constitution (or at least inalienable individual
rights) as there is much at odds betwixt the two.
Location: Directly behind you As such, even LEOs with the best of intentions can not serve both
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masters; individual rights and the current state of law. Thusly, I voted
for “Cops have no credibility because they ALL willfully violate the
oath.”
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12-11-2005 12:55 AM

kodiak
Senior Member
i must admit that i stand corrected.i thought that cops at one time
Registered: Nov 2005 were good people and that there was a just a "few" bad apples in the
Location:
Posts: 189
barrel.then i thought man,there is something drasticly wrong and that
they didnt "care" about their oath.but now im sorry,but im fully
convinced that cops could really care less about anything or anyone
except the "power" that they now pocess.im just curious as to why
cops arnt hired killers?? im sorry if thats coming on "too" strong,but if
right and wrong is nothing but religious idealogy why dont they?? why
dont the cops out there start killing people in nursing homes too??
according to hitler their just useless eaters?? why,oh why,did the cops
out there have to turn into soviet style thugs for?? at one time in this
country cops wouldnt treat people like they are all crimminals to be
feared.cops in this country would indeed help people and they were
actually "friends" of the community.heck at one time in this country
cops would actually did put their lives on the line to indeed protect
people from predators.now it seems like the cops out there have
indeed become the predators.why do the cops out there want to
become like the crimminalistic predators that roamed the earth like
the soviet union?? im truly beginning to think that we really have
come to the "end" of the age right where the anti christ will show up
on the earth and where the bad cops will indeed become the devils
"law enforcement" .and the cops out there will indeed take the mark
of the beast "chip implant" and force people to either take it or lead
them to their prison cell where they will awaite their death sentence.
jack mclamb was right,the lawless dictators wouldnt stand a chance if
the cops would surrender their badge and tell the dictators to stick it
up their arse!! but the problem now is that the new world order has
actually "found"their lawless predators to do the work for them.
feel proud of yourselves,you truly serve the state untill the anti christ
comes.then you predators can indeed have your temporary power trip.
but it wont last long because you will partake in the lake of fire.oh,by
the way,i know that you wont pay any attention to these words that i
speak because youve been crimminally conditioned to think its
religious nonesense.the police academy has done a great job on you
people mentally.
12-13-2005 07:17 PM

xtratabasco I used to think there may be good cops too, Kodiak. But for those who
Senior Member care enough about Freedom and Liberty that research about those
that want to take your Liberty away, find out the sad, evil truth as you
Registered: Jul 2004 and most of us have.
Location:
Posts: 2869
The really sad thing is there are people out there that care more about
The greenbay dumb****s or the nuggets or walmart and soap operas
to even bother with this battle....its time to wake them up, your
friends, nieghbors and family.
here are ways to help
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/activist_main.html
12-16-2005 11:15 PM
Darryl Sadly i think we will never wake up enough people in time. i hope i am
Senior Member wrong. There only seems a certain % that is willing to risk their butt
for other people.
Registered: Jul 2003 In time all decent people will come to reliaze that many of us were not
Location: as crazy as they thought we were at one time.
Posts: 755
i still think that their are decent cops out there and yes they do bend
some rules ( Who does not?) But they do not frame inncent people or
deal drugs, or rob people. Are there cops out there who do this and
much worse , alot of them.
There is people out there with badges that are just plain wackos and
are running amuck.
The technology is beyond most people beliefs,
I think the bext way to oppose them is to show no fear and speak the
truth.
What is going to happen is going to happen.
04-09-2006 02:42 AM

xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 Sadly i think we will never wake up enough people
Location: in time. i hope i am wrong. There only seems a
Posts: 2869 certain % that is willing to risk their butt for other
people.
In time all decent people will come to reliaze that
many of us were not as crazy as they thought we
were at one time.
i still think that their are decent cops out there and
yes they do bend some rules ( Who does not?) But
they do not frame inncent people or deal drugs, or
rob people. Are there cops out there who do this
and much worse , alot of them.
There is people out there with badges that are just

plain wackos and are running amuck.
The technology is beyond most people beliefs,
I think the bext way to oppose them is to show no
fear and speak the truth.
What is going to happen is going to happen.
This president supports torture and the troops kill innocent women
and children in Fallujah, so this is what we get.
Hey where have you been? Ive e-mailed you with no response.
04-09-2006 02:53 AM
Darryl [Hey where have you been? Ive e-mailed you with no response. [/B][/
Senior Member QUOTE]
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Registered: Jul 2003 I e-mailed you back when I have heard from you.
Location: have been out of town the last few weeks.
Posts: 755
I have prolbems sometimes with my e-mail call it a game if you like.
i am planning on riding through colorado this summer, Interested in a
beer?
04-09-2006 03:34 AM

xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 [Hey where have you been? Ive e-mailed you with no
Location: response.
Posts: 2869
=============================================
I e-mailed you back when I have heard from you.
have been out of town the last few weeks.
I have prolbems sometimes with my e-mail call it a game if you like.

i am planning on riding through colorado this summer, Interested in a
beer? [/B][/QUOTE]
u bet love too......
04-09-2006 03:42 AM
Texastwister I voted, Most officers violate the oath and make no attempt to live by
Senior Member it.

Location: Texas I know several cops on the city and state level. To be honest I can't sit
Posts: 165 here and say they don't violate the oath they were sworn to uphold.
Even to this day, I wanna believe that there are still a few good cops
out there, but the sad truth in my opinion is there getting farther and
few between. Hell, Don't take my word for it, just bounce over to the
serpico forums. Happy Reading....
07-26-2006 08:47 AM
SJ01 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Twistedtexan
I voted, Most officers violate the oath and make no
attempt to live by it.

Location:
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07-26-2006 12:50 PM
Mack "I will never act officiously..." ???

Assistant Moderator
Come on... that's all they EVER do.
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07-26-2006 06:47 PM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2006 "I will never act officiously..." ???
Location:
Posts: 2330 Come on... that's all they EVER do.
05-08-2007 12:07 AM
crethip Re: 'a house divided'

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Registered: Apr 2007 IMHO, it is impossible to discharge their duties
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constitution (or at least inalienable individual
rights) as there is much at odds betwixt the two.
As such, even LEOs with the best of intentions can

not serve both masters; individual rights and the
current state of law. Thusly, I voted for •Cops have
no credibility because they ALL willfully violate the

oath.•
If anyone read my only other post you know I neither hate cops or am
I pro-cop. I am pro living how I want to live and doing the best I can
day by day.
With that said, take into consideration that you or more importantly
(at least to me) one of your children are raped, assaulted, or harmed
in anyway by some individual Constitutionally protected citizen.
I personally would want a cop to come to me and say, " you know, I
had to rough that guy up some but he confessed, signed a statement,
and is pleading guilty" than to come to me and say, " you know, that
guy won't talk, we don't have the right to beat on him, he'll probably
walk on this cause there just isnt evidence to go forward. But at least
you still have your constitutional rights."
Screw the cops for messing with people that don't deserve it. But
screw the criminals even more imo.
05-08-2007 07:06 AM
duncan Sorry pal but you can't have it both ways.

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It is better to have the criminal get away with the crime than to have
Registered: Jul 2003 the state make criminals of all of us under the guise of security.
Posts: 9006 Your kid was already raped by the time the cop showed up. It is your
responsibility to make sure that your child never gets raped. If you
know for a fact who it is that raped your kid and you saw that person
do it then shoot the sorry f8ck and be done with your BS.
My question would be to you. How did you allow your child to get into
that kind of situation in the first place? Did you not teach your child
anything about self defense? Why was the child left alone with a
stranger?
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05-08-2007 12:22 PM
crethip I can have it any way I want. If you will notice I indicated this is only
Junior Member my opinion. I have a 20 year old daughter in college and thats what I
referred to as kids. And I don't care how much you teach your kids to
take care of themselves anything can happen and you can't always be
there to protect them. And if justice has to be done after the fact then
Registered: Apr 2007 its my opinion you side with the victim, not the criminal.
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05-08-2007 07:02 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by crethip
I personally would want a cop to come to me
and say, " you know, I had to rough that guy up
some but he confessed, signed a statement, and
is pleading guilty"
Registered: Jul 2003 That happens all the time.

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...and then after sitting in prison for ten years he is cleared by
DNA evidence, and it is found that he falsely confessed out of fear
because the cops violated his constitutional rights and "roughed
him up" because they had no evidence to convict the person they
suspected of committing the crime.
I have a younger sister who was brutally beaten, raped and left for
dead several years ago (I have posted the entire story in detail
elsewhere on these forums) so I have been in the very situation
you described above. I would be irate if a cop told me they
"roughed up" a confession out of somebody, especially if the
physical evidence needed to convict was lacking.
I believe in Justice, not the Justice System.
The fact is that way too many innocents are rotting in US prisons
based on their coerced or otherwise illegally obtained false
confession. Just look at the staggering number of "convicts" that
have been convicted and later freed by Barry Scheck's Innocence

Project: More than 190 people in the United States have been
exonerated, including 14 who have been sentenced to death after
being wrongfully convicted.
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05-08-2007 07:42 PM
liberranter Well said, GC.

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crethip:
The theme of this thread is at the heart of why this forum exists
and why the majority of the membership adopts the attitude
toward "law" enforcement that it has. The fact is that far too many
of those who voluntarily and knowingly swore an oath to "protect
and serve" have abused the authority granted them to do this for
so long and so flagrantly (and with the full sanction of the courts
and the governing classes) that the citizenry no longer has any
reason to trust even the best-intentioned of them.
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The real tragedy is that the destruction of this trust between cop
and citizen, assuming that such trust ever existed in great
measure to begin with, has led to much unnecessary death and
suffering among segments of the citizenry that might otherwise
have relied upon the "protection and service" that cops allegedly
provide were it not for their very legitimate fear of death or injury
at the hands of the armed predators into whose hands
enforcement of "the law" has increasingly been placed.
The only way to start reversing this trend is a healthy

revitalization of the 2nd Amendment across the nation.
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freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it
values more, it will lose that too.
05-08-2007 07:54 PM
duncan I can have it any way I want. If you will notice I indicated this
Moderator is only my opinion. I have a 20 year old daughter in college and
thats what I referred to as kids. And I don't care how much
Registered: Jul 2003 you teach your kids to take care of themselves anything can
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justice has to be done after the fact then its my opinion you
side with the victim, not the criminal.
You can't live in a free society and have agents of social control
running around in that same society. You can teach her how to use a
handgun or a knife or what ever. This may not prevent anything from
happening, but it might and least she has some kind of chance. By
being dependent on copsters and dialing 911 after the fact she has no
chance at all. The key is to prevent the vicitmization.
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Do police officers live by the oath they took?

Yes, ALL officers live by the oath. 2 2.41%

There are a few bad apples, but most live by the oath. 11 13.25%
Most officers violate the oath and make no attempt to
38 45.78%
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Cops have no credibility because they ALL willfully
32 38.55%
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MGMAN if there had been a 5th option. There is a small minority that would
Senior Member love to but can't because of peer pressure and fear.
I would have selected it.
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When your butt is on the line the first thing you do is scream about “due process”
and the “rule of law”, how about extending this to the general public!
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12-08-2008 06:26 PM
loudnclear Wow
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I sat in a tiny cramped court room one day and listened to a sgt. as
he described what his version of events were.
And I quote...
Registered: Dec 2008 D.A. ~What were you thinking?
Location: Washington sgt.~ I have never been so mad in my life.
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( in control?)
D.A.~ What was it that made you so angry?
sgt.~ I don't know, he was shaking and fiddling around with his
keys and he just had this look on his face.
D.A.~ What did you take that look to mean?
sgt.~ forgive my teminoligy but he was just smiling as if to say
**** you.
( would that be considered a scornful look)
D.A. And how do you know that was the look he was intending?
sgt.~ Well his smug smile and refusal to obey an order.
D.A.~ Explain what you talking about please.
sgt.~ we were screaming at him to get out of the vehicle but
instead he just smiled and shook his head no as if to say f.u.
This was maybe the only part of either one's testimony that even
hinted at the truth.

In this individuals own words he was not in control of himself and

didn't handle ridicule or scorn well at all.
He murdered someone that day.
Another rather sickening thing is that they are sworn to protect and
be mindful of others and a kid who was nearby is luck to be alive.
They never have found the bullet that was accidently discharged
into a public area By Them.
12-11-2008 10:23 PM
loudnclear Catch a fkn clue!

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"I personally would want a cop to come to me and say, " you know,
I had to rough that guy up some but he confessed, signed a
statement, and is pleading guilty" than to come to me and say, "
Registered: Dec 2008 you know, that guy won't talk, we don't have the right to beat on
Location: Washington him, he'll probably walk on this cause there just isnt evidence to go
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forward. But at least you still have your constitutional rights."
You can't be so ignorant and claim that you have any sense at all!
If ( God forbid ) my child or any person for that matter gets raped
and a cop comes to me and makes those statements you can bet I
am running to the phone!
First I would call and write a letter to his or her superior asking that
they remove the thug from the case.
Then I would be on the phone and writing a letter to the D.A.
reporting my concerns.
Then I would be in contact with my attorney and hire out a private
investigator to do the job correctly!
Are you really that daft?

Do you have any idea how many sicko rapists and other criminals
are set free because they were beaten and had other rights violated!
Who the heck decided that the cops are sent to determine a
persons innocense or guilt?
OMGosh! I am amazed at the self induced ignorance of your post,
look up how many people were killed or faced death on death row
due to confessions and how many more have later been found to be
innocent and only confessed cuz some cop 'roughed em up'.
Open your mind and shut your mouth until you are educated in the
history of our criminal justice system as well as the reality of the
harmful behavior of the American police.

12-11-2008 10:41 PM
pyo1 criminal system of justice would be more appropriate! From the

Senior Member badge all the way up their little cannibalistic food chain they are all
crooked as hell!
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survey:
Will you participate in the 2010 Census?

I will answer all survey questions correctly and honestly 0 0%

I will only answer what is required by law 2 33.33%
I will only answer what I feel comfortable answering 2 33.33%
I will enter completely bogus information 1 16.67%
I won't bother - it all goes straight to the trash 1 16.67%
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GC Marciano Participation in Census 2010 survey:

While the decennial census is mandated by the U.S.

Constitution, many people feel as though the census questions
beyond the number of people in your household are an invasion
of privacy and information that the government has no reason
or right to know.
With the upcoming Census 2010, how do you feel about the
new short census form and will you fill it out? What are your
reasons for filling out the form or for not filling out the form?
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Your votes are confidential and while you are encouraged to
do so, you are not required to post a follow-up or explain your
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liberranter I will only answer what is constitutionally required, which is

Super Moderator simply the number of people in my household. Nothing more,
nothing less.
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02-09-2010 03:01 AM
MGMAN Its my understanding that questions, 1, 2, 4, 5 and 10 are not

Senior Member required under law. They WILL NOT be answered by me.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downl...nity_Survey.pdf
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sociopaths?
Are too many cops sociopaths?

This poll is closed.
Cops fit many of a sociopath's

2 100.00%
personality traits.
There are very few "cold blooded"
0 0%
policemen. That's just a myth.
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DGRZB122 Are a high percentage of cops sociopaths?

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Below are the main characteristics which define a "sociopath."

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and protect" us sociopaths?
All Sociopaths share the following traits:
• Glibness/Superficial Charm
• Manipulative and Conning
• Grandiose Sense of Self
• Pathological Lying
• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
• Shallow Emotions
• Incapacity for Love
• Need for Stimulation
• Callousness/Lack of Empathy
• Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
• Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
• Irresponsibility/Unreliability
• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior, Infidelity
• Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
• Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
• Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
• Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
• Authoritarian
• Secretive
• Paranoid
• Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out
situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated,
condoned, or admired
• Conventional appearance
• Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
• Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's
life
• Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore
needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
• Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
• Incapable of real human attachment to another
• Unable to feel remorse or guilt
• Narcissism, grandiosity (self-importance not based on
achievements)
02-08-2010 12:59 AM

GC Marciano Based on the above traits, I don't think I've ever met a police
Copwatcher Extraordinaire officer who could not be logically defined as a sociopath.
Interestingly enough, the same characteristics are exhibited by

serial rapists and murderers.
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GC Marciano Very interesting reading... I doubt anybody with a fraction of an

Copwatcher Extraordinaire ounce of honesty can read the following and say it doesn't
correctly depict the majority of today's police officers:
Link: http://personalitydisorders.suite10..._of_psychopaths
• Common Sociopathic Behaviour Traits
Psychopaths, also known as sociopaths, are manipulative,

Registered: Jul 2003 deceitful, impulsive and inclined to take risks.
Posts: 9967 While most people’s actions are guided by a number of factors,
such as the desire to avoid hurting other people, the
psychopath selects a course of action based on only one factor
— what can he get out of it. This cold-blooded mode of
reasoning enables the psychopath to commit acts that most
people’s consciences would not allow.
• Manipulative and Deceitful
Psychopaths lie easily and because they don’t feel anxious when
doing so, many can pass lie detector tests. They manipulate
those around them to get money, free places to stay, sexual
favors and sympathy. Those who are jailed for crimes continue
the pattern of manipulation and deceitfulness. Psychopaths

often claim to have suffered from amnesia, temporary insanity,

multiple personality disorder or blackouts to justify their crimes.
In addition to lying outright, psychopaths are inclined to evade,

providing responses that do not answer the questions put to
them. This is done as a smokescreen, an attempt to trick people
into thinking they’ve received an answer. Most psychopaths are
very proud of their ability to lie convincingly, and in addition to
lying to evade consequences, they lie to get sympathy. When
caught in a lie, they simply move on, leaving shattered lives in
their wake. Or they promise to change, and in some cases do
change for long enough to worm their way back into the lives of
their targets, after which they inevitably revert to their old ways.
While psychopaths tend to engage in fewer criminal activities

once they pass the age of 40, most continue to manipulate and
deceive those around them. A common deception is obtaining
phony credentials to pose as doctors, psychiatrists, real estate
agents, lawyers or teachers. One psychopath posed as a doctor
and performed surgeries, severely botching operations and
leaving his patients emotionally and physically damaged. He
disappeared when his credentials were questioned, and was
found later in England posing as a psychiatrist.
• Impulsive and Lacking Self-Restraint
Inability to delay gratification combined with a lack of fear and

other constraints on behavior leads to impulsivity. This, along
with a lack of empathy, causes psychopaths to be selfish and
irresponsible. They are like infants in adult bodies, demanding
that others gratify their immediate needs while not
understanding that they should offer anything in return. They
take what they want when they want it through manipulation,
threats or force.
Because they lack inhibition, psychopaths tend to be short-

tempered, becoming emotionally abusive or even violent in
response to minor frustrations, criticism and failure. Quick to
take offense, they are inclined to blow up at people, but
because their emotions are shallow, such outbursts are usually
short-lived. Afterward, the psychopath will behave as though
nothing has happened, leaving the victims of his tirade feeling
hurt and bewildered.
Because they are impulsive and irresponsible, many

psychopaths jump from job to job and relationship to
relationship. They break their promises, fail to fulfill their
financial obligations, leave their families behind without a
backward glance and pursue their own interests at everyone
else’s expense. The rules of society are considered inconvenient
and unreasonable. A chilling example of this cold-hearted
irresponsibility was the case of Diane Downs, who murdered her
own children, whom she claimed to love, so that she could
pursue a relationship with a man who didn’t want kids.

• Risk Taking
Psychopaths take extreme physical and psychological risks due

to their exaggerated need for excitement. These can range from
driving too fast to substance abuse to crime. Of course there
are many naturally brave or sensation seeking individuals who
are not psychopaths. However, these can be distinguished by
their ability to feel guilt, remorse, empathy and shame. A
surplus of physical courage is only a marker of a personality
disorder when there are many adverse symptoms present.
• Bragging
Because psychopaths think very highly of themselves, most are

prone to bragging. Many psychopaths talk obsessively in an
attempt to convey their toughness and importance to others. Of
course there are people who like themselves who are not
psychopaths, and many others who brag because they actually
have low self-esteem and are attempting to bolster themselves.
However, bragging in conjunction with extreme risk taking,
irresponsibility, lying, manipulation, impulsiveness and a lack of
self-restraint indicate that there is something seriously wrong.
• Behavior Problems in Childhood
Even if he comes from a good, nurturing family, the

psychopathic child will usually steal, cut school, have sex, take
drugs, start fires, vandalize and be cruel to animals and other
children by the time he is just 12 years old. The psychopathic
child is indifferent to the feelings of other people and animals.
He lies continuously and appears unfazed when caught in a lie.
Threats of punishment (and even actual punishment) don’t
usually deter him from doing what he wants.
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If you could pop an LEO, and not be caught, would you?

Yes 2 7.69%
No 12 46.15%
I'd empty ever round I have into them 5 19.23%
Other option 7 26.92%
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kawzx7 If you could pop an LEO, and not be caught, would you?
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I have said this in anger before, but do you think you would do it if
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01-28-2008 03:39 PM
liberranter If a cop was clearly behaving in an aggressive, felonious

Super Moderator manner that exceeded his/her authority as an officer of the law
and was threatening me, my family, or my property, I would do
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING necessary to defend myself,
including the use of lethal force, whether or not I would get
"caught."
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MGMAN If by your question you mean just shooting a cop for no reason I
Senior Member would NOT. If however your question is asking about defending
yourself then my answer is YES I think I could. However I don't own
a firearm, I decided a long time ago that I was never going to be
able to pull the trigger come crunch time. So what's the point in me
owning one? Yes I guess I am a wimp.
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01-28-2008 05:09 PM
Cybertoad Do police do things worth getting popped,

Senior Member yes.
However i also think reacting for just the fact of aggression and
revenge places me in exactly the same shoes as a cop.
I couldn't stand the smell of those shoes, so unless a life was at risk.
No I would not ever drop so low as to be like one of them.
( them ) being the bottom surfer type.

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thoughts I am useless. I must use my thoughts true. I must think
straighter with my thoughts than my enemy, who is trying to kill
me. I must out think him before he betters me. I will. Before God I
swear this creed: my thoughts and myself are defenders of my
country and my rights, we are the masters of my enemy, we are
the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace.

Amen
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liberranter quote:
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Originally posted by MGMAN
However I don't own a firearm, I decided a

long time ago that I was never going to be
able to pull the trigger come crunch time. So
what's the point in me owning one? Yes I
guess I am a wimp.

Posts: 5865 No, you're not a "whimp" at all. As a matter of fact, being able
to honestly admit to yourself that you have qualms about using
deadly force is one of the most admirable character traits
imaginable. Anyone who owns a firearm needs to be ready to
use it if the situation calls for and, as you stated, if you cannot
bring yourself to use it, there's no point in endangering yourself
or others by owning one. You are to be commended for realizing
this fact, something that I think too many people do not
consider when deciding to arm themselves.
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01-28-2008 07:00 PM
Cavvyracer for me this is very situation dependent....if i was protecting my life,

Member or the life of another...then yes...i would...but just out of cold
blood, never
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GC Marciano Pop a cop for no reason? Why waste perfectly good ammo like
that? The cop isn't worth it.
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AVENGER Other Option

Senior Member Yes, but only in self-defense.
Ditto what liberranter said about NON-wimps. I'd rather be a little

less prone to anger and violence than I am. It requires no special
trait to pull a trigger. It is a special trait to remain a reasonable and
basically peaceful person in a society which worships violence.
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01-29-2008 01:46 AM
Cybertoad
Senior Member
And now my sarcastic answer.
I don't know, why but perhaps lethal injection is better.

I mean if ya pop one they might still live?
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Chicken master my life. Without me, my thoughts are useless. Without my
Posts: 127 thoughts I am useless. I must use my thoughts true. I must think
straighter with my thoughts than my enemy, who is trying to kill
me. I must out think him before he betters me. I will. Before God I
swear this creed: my thoughts and myself are defenders of my
country and my rights, we are the masters of my enemy, we are
the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace.
Amen
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02-01-2008 05:40 PM
Cruise quote:
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Originally posted by Cybertoad
Registered: Feb 2008 And now my sarcastic answer.
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better.
I mean if ya pop one they might still live?
As the P I G G Y that ran the conceal and carry class said " Hit em
in the computer " I agree with that. If I ever have to shoot a P I G

to protect myself from their corrupt ass. In the head it will be. I'm a
good shot too. I do not want to kill anyone but I will without
hesitation if need be for my own protection.
02-12-2008 06:32 PM
orangecocopwatc Re: If you could pop an LEO, and not be caught, would you?
Member
LEO/gang member, enemy, friend, convict, law abiding citizen...

To die (or be POP'd) would enable a person to escape from having
to live with themself, and the things (good or bad) that they have
done.
To wish a very long life that ends at a very old age is far more
difficult to deal with than an abrupt, early death.
That being said, if a person is on 'death row,' instead of being

provided a permenant 'escape' from life by doing them the favor of
Registered: Oct 2007 putting them out of their misery; figure out a variety of situations
Location: Orange County, that would make thier life 'hell.'
California Hmm..
Posts: 31 Near starvation
Years of solitary confinement
Have them donate all of their healthy organs to people who need
them...
Use them as 'lab rats' to conduct long term tests.
All of those things and more...
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Cav No. Just as I would not kill a fellow person even if I felt i would not
Member be caught.
Registered: Oct 2007 I would defend myself as needed, but I dont think about killing
Location: Texas people just because I might get away with it. Those people tend to
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Ron W. I wouldn't because..

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I wouldn't want to stoop to that low of level that the police allready
are. Someone has to teach the young kids about an honest life..
even if the police don't.
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GC Marciano Re: I wouldn't because..

quote:
Originally posted by Ron W.

I wouldn't want to stoop to that low of level
that the police already are. Someone has to
teach the young kids about an honest life...
even if the police don't.
Posts: 9967
Excellent point.
I sometimes wonder if the police realize their safety by knowing

that most people refuse to stoop to their level.
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Ban them for a short-term period (10-20 days) 3 4.48%

Ban them permanently 6 8.96%
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Mack What should be done with pro-cop forum participants who abuse their
Assistant Moderator posting privilege
I'd like some feedback on what sanctions we should impose upon

pro-cop forum participants who abuse their posting privileges by
being overly abusive, vulgar, and offensive.
Please submit a comment along with your vote.
Registered: Jul 2003 I am strongly in favor of vigorous, contentious, even uncivil debate
Location: on any and all issues that anyone wants to raise. In my mind,
Posts: 5215 vigorous debate sometimes involves belittling the opponent when
they make stupid and indefensible statements. Concern over the
possibility that someone's feelings might be hurt isn't a reason to
refrain from disagreeing with them in the strongest possible terms.
What I don't like to see is mindless name-calling.
Let's address the issues in a forthright manner.
If you raise a point or a question that your opponent refuses to

answer, then rather than repeating it endlessly in every thread
where they post, put it in your sig line. That way, it'll be there to
remind everyone of the evasiveness of your opponent, but those of
us who follow the threads closely can skip it.
Incidentally, I myself have been banned from numerous pro-police

forums despite the fact that I never once used a vulgar word. All
the while, the cops were calling me names and resorting to the
most childish retorts.
I made the cops look stupid, but I did it with class.
In response, they banned me. None of the pro-police participants

who posted offensive and vulgar material suffered any
repercussions at all.
On the other hand, we have not yet banned anyone, despite

behavior on the part of the pro-cop partisans which is often
inexcusable.
Why should we be held to a higher standard than the proprietors of

the pro-cop forums? We are paragons of Constitutional virtue by
comparison to them (which is really no surprise).

My own preference is to refrain from banning anyone.
Unless someone is continuously and egregiously offensive and

makes no effort to reign themselves in, I'd rather let the
marketplace of ideas operate in a laissez-faire manner.
In this context at least, I think that stupidity is a worse offense

than vulgarity. Vulgarity can be remedied, but stupidity is almost
always incurable. If you're being unreasonably vulgar and offensive,
tone it down. If you're just stupid and really can't help it, go
somewhere else.
Unlike most of the cops, we don't support the use of double

standards.
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Matt1 Re: What should be done with pro-cop forum participants who abuse
Senior Member their posting privilege
Registered: Feb 2004 quote:

Location:
Posts: 1818
I'd like some feedback on what sanctions we
should impose upon pro-cop forum participants
who abuse their posting privileges by being
abusive, vulgar, and offensive.
Please submit a comment along with your vote.
you have got to be kidding me. Maybe I am reading more into it

than what you intended, but it seems like you are calling myself
and other pro-cop posters vulgar and abusive. You are obviously

reading these posts with blinders on.
Maybe you should extend this rule to anyone that is vulgar and
offensive, not just the people you have the same views as. You
obviously only want a forum where only one point of view is heard.
I would like you to go back and find all the posts where I have
threatend anyone since I know I am one of the people this post is
directed at.
And Duncan, you can save your time and not post about my
signature. It explains itself if you would take five seconds to read it.
By the way, I voted to let Duncan handle us. He obviously can't do

it so I think this would be the most fun.
Last edited by Matt1 on 04-22-2004 at 09:07 PM
04-22-2004 07:52 PM
heavyduty I vote to quarantine them for a specified probationary period.

Junior Member Restriction to a special section of the forum is preferable to banning
them. This is more than they would do for us, but then we're better
than them.

Location: Peoria, IL
Posts: 19
04-23-2004 01:28 AM
Matt1 Let's clear something up here. Are you refering to everyone who is
Senior Member pro-police or just the occasional person that comes here and gets
pretty heated. I have called Duncan a moron or idiot a time or two,
Registered: Feb 2004 but only after he refuses to acknowlege an obvious point that I
Location: make or if he makes an implied threat to myself or other officers in
Posts: 1818
general. People like God Cop and Daquan never say a cross word to
anyone.
What level of pro-officer, or vulgarity are we talking about here?

And why does it only pertain to the people that don't agree with
you?
04-23-2004 01:45 AM

duncan I wouldn't ban them.

Moderator
Any post that includes ad-hom attacks place in an ad-hom attack
Registered: Jul 2003 string for copsters who post them.
Posts: 9006 Any time a copster is caught lying on the forum place the lie in a
copster lie string.
Any time a copster is caught playing these spych warfare games of

deciet and distraction which only serves to waste time then dlete
teh crap.
In fact I would appreciate it if you would delete matt1's post on my

Coast Guard string. My CG string is there to show people about my
personal experiences in the CG and how wasteful the fed is and how
the drug war is a violation of our civil rights and also a big fat waste
of time and money.
We all know why copsters come here and it has nothing to od with
civil discource. they coem here to control by measn of lying and
deception.
This guy matt1 makes at least 50 posts a day and has nothing to
say. It is either an ad-hom attack. Some story that can't be verified
or an attempt to control the questiuons people have about copsters
thru lies.
When and where has the guy posted a fact and then tried to back
up a postion with any facts? In fact where has he posted a postion?
I would take every one of his post and that of the other two clowns
and place them in string all thier own for people to see the lies, the
name calling, the threats, the false logic and the lack of any debate.
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04-23-2004 12:29 PM
Uncle Freddy Hey...Duncan...."the four riders of the Apocalypse"

Senior Member
:confused: Hey Duncan...."we got Matt "the wonderboy" addicted to

Registered: Apr 2004
Copwatch....this guy comments and watches the board like a hawk."
Location:
Posts: 116
And then the guy is trying to tell us "that he isn't a Homeland
Security Gravy Trainer?!"
1) How much you want to bet that "the four bullsh-tters of the
apocalypse" (GODSLOP...Matt "the wonderboy"...Jaquan "The Uncle
Tom Nazi dick sucker"...and Blue Faggot NYPD")...are all
"COPWATCH JUNKIES" making money off Uncle Sam literally doing
nothing to protect America from "lone wolf terrorists" like Duncan
Phillip and Thomas S. Bean?!
2) If Big Brother and HLS is gonna monitor Copwatch...then hey,

"What do we get out of this...huh?!" How come I can't be hired at
45K a year to do absolutely nothing of use to anybody?!
Did you hear that "America is threatened by .22 caliber cellphones

straight out of Maxwell Smart?!" Yup....Matt "the wonderboy" gave
us that one...huh?!
Boy...I tell you...Homeland Security better start hiring someone

who can think on his feet.....interpret intell better the lowly, lazy,
federal faggot scum at FBI....frankly, with a serious threat of
Maxwell Smart gadgets flooding the market...."Uncle Sam the lazy
Faggot better hire Duncan Phillip and Thomas S. Bean" before it is
too late...huh?!
04-23-2004 02:13 PM
duncan We got more than just one copster watching this forum.
Moderator
They pay these swine with our money do to nothing but watch this
Registered: Jul 2003 forum.
Posts: 9006 Notice how they operate. They post vield and sometimes open
ended threats of violence and when you repsond in kind they
highlight your posts and then take them out of context.
Notice how Moore works he ignores the threats of violence and the
ad-hom posts made by copsters yet points out any that are directed
at the copsters.
Their hope is that you will end up in court and they will only provide

what they want, but of course we will copy what we watn and show
a jury the deceptive practices of copsters.
They need to demonize and or marganlize you by cliaming that you

are a liar, a crack head, an illiterate etc... . They can't handle
people who come here with credentials i.e. four years in the Coast
Guard which is a miltary and LE organization, former conservative
republicans, college degrees, etc... .
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04-23-2004 05:57 PM
Matt1 Duncan, I actually agree with the first part of your post about
Senior Member making a seperate section for people that make threats or are
caught lying. But here is my question. Who decides when somebody
Registered: Feb 2004 is lying, you? Simply because you say it is a lie, will that mean it is
Location: true? Plus, you are the one making the threats and calling names.
Posts: 1818
Also, your statement that I post 50 times per day is slightly off.
Here is the actual info from my profile at the time of this post.
02-26-2004
Status: resisdent ass kicker
Total Posts: 528 (9.17 posts per day)
Last Post: 04-23-2004 03:54 PM
What should be done with pro-cop forum participants who abuse
their posting privilege
Looks like you will be the first one to post in the liars forum.

04-23-2004 06:54 PM
duncan There are two kinds of lies.

Moderator
The kind that are deliberate and the kind that are made out of
Registered: Jul 2003 ignorance, becuase the idiot who made it refuses to check his
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado sources.
Posts: 9006
Cops tend to do both and they are both done to control people and
what they are doing.
We will not accept the word of a copster becuase this is called "false
appeal to authority".
Just today you have made over 30 posts. The 9. 17 in an over all
average since you registered here and began to post. You have only
been here for two months.
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04-23-2004 09:35 PM

GOD COP quote:

Senior Member
I'd like some feedback on what sanctions we should
impose upon pro-cop forum participants who abuse
their posting privileges by being overly abusive,
vulgar, and offensive
i didn't vote. the real issue would be ALL forum participants that
indulge in this behavior. overly is a matter of opinion. mack. i
believe that it is the moderators responsibilty to handle these
issues. a perfect solution is to lock the thread when it deteriorates
into name calling or gets way off topic. i realize that many people
post under your screenname and it is sometimes very difficult to
Location: even correspond with you! and. BTW, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A
Posts: 1309 SECTION FOR THESE TYPES OF WORTHLESS, NAMECALLING
POSTS--THE ARENA.
quote:
In my mind, vigorous debate sometimes involves

belittling the opponent when they make stupid and
indefensible statements.
that's fine. an example would be "are you stupid?" but not"you are
stupid and your momma is a whore". there are some here that
don't follow me and wouldn't understand this.
What I don't like to see is mindless name-calling.
quote:
Let's address the issues in a forthright manner.
i agree 100%! maybe you could send all the other namecalling
posts to the arena?
quote:
Incidentally, I myself have been banned from

numerous pro-police forums despite the fact that I
never once used a vulgar word. All the while, the cops
were calling me names and resorting to the most
childish retorts.

i feel your pain. just remember that i have to work with some of
those dips*its. i personally don't go to any cop forums other than
the glock forum or the tactical forums. i have never posted and
don't plan to. i am not really into it.
quote:
Unlike most of the cops, we don't support the use of

double standards
please elaborate on the last...
04-23-2004 11:21 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Location: Just today you have made over 30 posts. The 9.
Posts: 1818 17 in an over all average since you registered
here and began to post. You have only been here
for two months.
Well neither one of your numbers is quite 50 posts now is it.
Why did you lie?
04-24-2004 10:23 AM

duncan The day before you made 50 posts porkey.

Moderator
You can twist it all you like and you can say what ever you want it
Registered: Jul 2003 makes little difference because you have no cedibility on the forum.
Posts: 9006 I been through the whole gammit with p*gs and their stupid p8g
tricks.
1. The nice guy "I wanna be your buddy." approach. Or the fatherly
figure "I'm only here to help you." This might work with some folks,
but I don't need a copster to be my buddy nor do I need a father
and no one asked you to come here and give out worthless legal
advice.
2. If this patronizing BS approach doesn't work then they resort to

threats of violence of implied threats. We saw godamn p8g try this
on many occassion. He imagines that the poster is paranoid so he
suplants the "What if?" kind of crap in his rehtoric. If I were
paranoid stupid then I wouldn't be posting my real name on a
publicly read forum. I heve been there done that. Idol threats only
serve to piss me off and give me more resolve.
3. When the idiol threats don't work then they resort to name
calling and demonization of the mark i.e. lying and stating that the
mark is a child molestor, a neo-nazi, a kook etc... .
4. When this fails to work then they really start using their false
authority to go after you. BS traffic stops, spy files etc... . None of
these things worked on me and it cost two copster 20k to make an
illegal traffic stop of mua.
Your days are numbered girls. You had the chance to act
accordingly and you blew it.
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04-24-2004 10:41 AM
Matt1 how do you figure out how many posts somebody has in a day. I
Senior Member would like to do a re-count to see for myself. Even if I did post 50
times the other day, that does not mean I average that much. And
Registered: Feb 2004 just a short time ago you said it was only 30. Which is it and why
Location: do you lie?
Posts: 1818
Also, I never said I wanted to be your buddy. How are my days
numbered and what was my chance to act accordingly and to what?
04-24-2004 12:46 PM
duncan I think we should make the p*gs take a test on the Bill of Rights
Moderator and if they pass then we will give them a permit to post, but if they
fail then must take our class on the Bill of Rights before they can be
Registered: Jul 2003 issued a permit to post.
Posts: 9006
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Uncle Freddy [QUOTE]Originally posted by duncan

Senior Member [B]The day before you made 50 posts porkey.

Location: I been through the whole gammit with p*gs and their stupid p8g
Posts: 116 tricks.
1. The nice guy "I wanna be your buddy." approach. Or the fatherly
figure "I'm only here to help you." This might work with some folks,
but I don't need a copster to be my buddy nor do I need a father
and no one asked you to come here and give out worthless legal
advice.
2. If this patronizing BS approach doesn't work then they resort to

threats of violence of implied threats. We saw godamn p8g try this
on many occassion. He imagines that the poster is paranoid so he
suplants the "What if?" kind of crap in his rehtoric.
Excellent post Duncan because "you bring light to the cop's

miserable, duplicitious mendacity."
1) Yeah...GODSLOB is "Mr. fatther figure whose their for you....and

if he can get you busted he would love to join that conspiracy."
2) And how about "wonderboy" always playing stupid....like he's

your pal getting close to you?! How about Jaquan (the FBI profiler)
who comes on to display his masters level education and honed
erudition displayed in a conspicuous attempt to impress us while
saying absolutely nothing of value to anybody?!
This guy talks...yet..."he didn't say anything did he?....how come

Jaquan the FBI Uncle Tom cannot talk about intrinsic FBI
personality problems that has turned them into the "worst sort of
over rated nightmare" this society has witnessed since tail gunner
Joe McCarthy and his mafia connected ferry pal Roy Cohn?!
3) Excellent post Duncan....and...."I was hoping to talk you into

describing in detail all the stupid little snitchs and dirty little bogus
tricks the 15 year cop harassment campaign used against you" That
is a story you have not covered yet and explains you're vehement
contempt for these much maligned slime.
Your personal story has been covered rather well...but...you didn't

talk about snitchs, and entrapment attempts and the bogus
warrantless search when you were inthe hospital?...which would
explain "where you are as a person"?!
4) All behavior must be interpreted historically to shed light on past

traumas or threats to explain present reality. This is a form of
clarity and evidence gathering that is ignored by "worthless, witch
hunting copslime" who really fit Law Professor David Linderd's
thesis (Univ Missouri at Kansas City Law School) who points out on
his website that "Evil is characterized by an inability to empathize,
blatant stupidity, intellectual laziness...etc."

5) And look at "the four's posts" and realize "how

stupid"...."intellectually lazy" and "empathically void" these robots
are?! COPS HAVE ONE OVER RIDING PROGRAM ON THEIR HARD
DISK IN WHICH PREDATORY GOALS OVER RIDE HUMANISTIC
GOALS LIKE honesty, authentic disclosure, real curiosity based on
empathy for those aggrieved....etc.
6) I think the most obvious and glaring observation of "the four

idiots" is...."THEY LITERALLY OFFER NOTHING EXCEPT
PROVOCATION"...."THE IGNORE FACTS AND CONSTANTLY
PRACTISE DENIAL AS A DEFENCE MECHANISM"?!
7) These losers have no chance at "ever admitting the truth....ever

offering any useful intell....or...ever "fitting into a progressive
discourse."
You cannot convince a con artist that he shouldn't lie. You cannot
convince a heroin junkie that he should straighten out." You cannot
get a power junkie to admit his addiction or how it effects innocent
people around them.
8) By their nature....cops are predators....and these four slime

molds ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS PREDATORS BECAUSE THEY
HAVE SHORT HAIRCUTS AND AUTOMATIC, UNQUESTIONED
CREDIBILITY GIVEN TO THEM BY SOCIETY?! A wolf in a cop
uniform. A werewolf with a badge. A sociopathic Narcisscist waving
the flag. An anal rigid robot mechanically following his bogus
conditioning. That is what a cop is, "part man, part robot, part
criminal, part drunken high school football player."
9) They...have already proven they lack anything superlative that

could benefit this forum (like offering personnel first hand
accounts...possessing any respect for The Bill of Rights....offering
insights about how the police state grabs power and maintains
power....or an admission of guilt for their obvious crime, "using this
forum to put Duncan of Neal into jail?!".
10) I make a request for their URLs and ISPs because "I know how
to track them back" to their source....and....with their inflammatory
threats against Duncan...."I CAN GET THESE SLIME UP ON
CHARGES OR GET A BLACK MARK IN THEIR FILE PREVENTING
THEM FROM GAINING POWER.
They were coming after me and Duncan..."to put us in jail" by

"provoking us into making incriminating statements" ...and "they
ended up "incriminating themselves." Let's see "if their terroristic
threats of disrespect was done while on duty, and wether that duty
allowed them to browse a website with "no rational relationship to
their mission, duty, or orders."
Are they following orders....or...."are they getting paid while being

insubordinate to authority?!" If so....we can get them sanctioned by
their supervisor...."just like they like to do every day of the

miserable little pathetic lives. THAT'S RIGHT SLIME....ZERO

TOLERENCE AND BACKSTABBING IS YOUR BREAD AN D BUTTER,
SO....LET'S SEE YOU EAT SOME OF THAT '**** SANDWICH' YOU
AND YOU'RE ILK HAVE BEEN CRAMING DOWN DUNCAN'S THROAT?!
11) I want those URL's and ISP's so I can call a guy who can track...
and I will post what I find out on these little "sh-t turds". Seems
that GODSLOP already tipped his hand when "he was upset that
someone was investigating him....knowing full well he has some
explaining to do when his supervisor (who can easily be found) asks
"What the Hell are you doing...stupid?!"
[Author's Note: I learned this way of thinking from my police state

harassment campaign...and what is good for the goose, is good for
the gander....huh copscum?!]
[ So hey COPWATCH...."if you want to police the police"....you got

to fight with what you have...and I point out, "that your enemy has
given no quarter and shown no mercy to anybody else....so why
give something to someone with no history of practising
"humanistic qualities?!"]
[Predatory Robots....must occasionally be fine tuned and directed

towards legitimate activities...."like policing the cop racketeering in
every town...huh?!]
04-24-2004 03:21 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Uncle Freddy
Registered: Feb 2004 10) I make a request for their URLs and ISPs because
Location: "I know how to track them back" to their source....
Posts: 1818 and....with their inflammatory threats against
Duncan...."I CAN GET THESE SLIME UP ON CHARGES
OR GET A BLACK MARK IN THEIR FILE PREVENTING
THEM FROM GAINING POWER.
[/B]
Directly from the rules and FAQ section of this forum:
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The owner(s) and operator(s) of the Copwatch Forum and the
Copwatch Database will not voluntarily provide any personally-
identifying information, or indeed any information at all, to any
party. If served with a court order or search warrant, the owner(s)
and operator(s) will, to the extent reasonably possible, provide the

target of the investigation, if known, with a reasonable opportunity

to intervene and quash the warrant or order prior to providing any
personally-identifying information. Notification of any such
investigation will be provided only to the email address used to
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(s) and operator(s) of the Forum may mount their own legal
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that your privacy is protected, but no warranty or guarantee is
made that personally-identifying information will remain
uncompromised by operation of law, computer trespass, “hacking”,
or other such situations.
Note that we have no means of verifying your self-professed

identity. For all intents and purposes, you are whoever you say you
are.
Nobody is coming after you two Neal. Remember, you two are the
ones calling names and making threats. I have been a nice guy so
far. But if you want to try and track me and find out where I work
that is your business. If it becomes personal, which it will with you
and Duncan, and you start to post address SS# and things like that
I will get nasty.
04-24-2004 06:50 PM
duncan When you cops use our forum to violate our privacy then the rules
Moderator no longer apply to those who break them.
Registered: Jul 2003 Don't even threaten me mothf*cker. If I get your SS# I will be
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado posting it and treating you copsters just like you have treated me.
Posts: 9006
Paybacks are f8cking bitch and if you don't like the treatment then
don't do it to others.
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04-24-2004 06:55 PM
Duncan I don't understand why you even waste your time on

Guest homeland security Matt the swine?
I would think you would be better off working on the website and
Registered: Not Yet getting the word out to the public about organized crime group,
Location: called the police.
Posts: N/A
One smelly swine wasting your valuable time on running this site, is
your time not that valuable?
04-26-2004 06:07 PM
duncan I would think you would be better off working on the

Moderator website and getting the word out to the public about
organized crime group, called the police.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado How do you know that he is homeland security?
Posts: 9006
And how do you know that I'm not getting the word out?
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04-27-2004 12:16 AM
Well your word seems to be directed towards one person!

Guest You seem to dedicate you life to defending yourself against Matt1.
The boy is playing a head games with you, he's got you right where
Registered: Not Yet he wants you! Can't believe you would waste your time on him.
Location: Word your getting out? Who wants to listen to someone whine and
Posts: N/A
complain all the time? Just put the facts on here and let people
judge for themselfs. Otherwise swine like Matt1 will make you out
as a joke! Let him say his peace, I will say that if one of you guys
went to a "swine site" and spoke your mind, you would have been
done booted off there site and banned by now. So if you ask me,
keep Matt1 one here having two sides of a story is better then one.
04-27-2004 12:42 AM
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duncan You seem to miss the point.

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We monitor copsters and when the guy posts I am monitoring his
Registered: Jul 2003 every post to let people that don't know the guy he is a copster and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado to counter his crap when he posts it.
Posts: 9006
Who is playing who?
I enjoying wasting the clowns time. He responds to every post and

much of what he post is crap and he can't verify it.
My word is directed at all copsters.
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04-27-2004 02:43 AM

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I think he is refering to Neal saying this several times in the past.

He is always saying I am Homeland Security.
Duncan I respond to every post because that is how a conversation

works.
04-27-2004 05:58 PM
duncan I respond to every one of your post to point out the duplicity of
Moderator your position.
Registered: Jul 2003 So why are you here and how did you leanr of copwatch.com?
Posts: 9006 Why do you post from the job?
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04-27-2004 06:21 PM

Matt1 quote:
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Location: So why are you here and how did you leanr of
Posts: 1818 copwatch.com?
Why do you post from the job?
I am not at work Duncan.
I actually can't remember how I learned about this site.
04-27-2004 06:31 PM
duncan Why can't you remember?

Moderator
Have you been using another moniker?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado How long have you been here?
Posts: 9006
If you have been here for awhile then why did you just now decide
to post?
If you aren't posting form work then how can we verify this?
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04-27-2004 06:34 PM
Uncle Freddy Send them back to Copland?!

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:confused: Face it...they don't belong here. They can go elsewhere.

They got a tryout...and didn't pass the test. They didn't "get on the
Location:
Posts: 116 bus when it was leaving...so....they got to get on another bus to go
back to copland."
04-28-2004 01:38 AM
duncan I had to ask.

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04-28-2004 03:07 AM

quote:
Guest
Registered: Not Yet The day before you made 50 posts porkey.
Location:
Posts: N/A You can twist it all you like and you can say what
ever you want it makes little difference because
you have no cedibility on the forum.
I been through the whole gammit with p*gs and

their stupid p8g tricks.
1. The nice guy "I wanna be your buddy."

approach. Or the fatherly figure "I'm only here to
help you." This might work with some folks, but I
don't need a copster to be my buddy nor do I
need a father and no one asked you to come here
and give out worthless legal advice.
2. If this patronizing BS approach doesn't work

then they resort to threats of violence of implied
threats. We saw godamn p8g try this on many
occassion. He imagines that the poster is
paranoid so he suplants the "What if?" kind of
crap in his rhetoric. If I were paranoid stupid
then I wouldn't be posting my real name on a
publicly read forum. I heve been there done that.
Idle threats only serve to piss me off and give me
more resolve.
3. When the idiol threats don't work then they

resort to name calling and demonization of the
mark i.e. lying and stating that the mark is a child
molestor, a neo-nazi, a kook etc... .
4. When this fails to work then they really start

using their false authority to go after you. BS
traffic stops, spy files etc... . None of these things
worked on me and it cost two copster 20k to
make an illegal traffic stop of moi.
Your days are numbered boygirls. You had the

chance to act accordingly and you blew it.
Cops are just a bunch of bullying ladyboys who carry a baton,

because they don't have a big "baton"; they are insecure and thus
compensate by being bullybuggardboyz! Most of those same
bullyboyz would get their asses kicked by a determined fighter,
once they are off duty. That's why they carry their guns...yet want
gun control/confiscation for we Sheeple. F-k them and f-k the

politicians!!!
05-11-2004 05:35 PM
Matt1 quote:
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Originally posted by Xuxa the White
Registered: Feb 2004 Cops are just a bunch of bullying ladyboys who
Location: carry a baton, because they don't have a big
Posts: 1818 "baton"; they are insecure and thus compensate
by being bullybuggardboyz! Most of those same
bullyboyz would get their asses kicked by a
determined fighter, once they are off duty. That's
why they carry their guns...yet want gun control/
confiscation for we Sheeple. F-k them and f-k the
politicians!!!
Most officers, including everyone that I know, are against gun

control. By the way, I have been in my share of one on one fights
during my career and haven't lost yet.
05-11-2004 06:14 PM
duncan I doubt if is this copster has ever seen a gun fight in his entire
Moderator parasitical life. Notice how he refuse to cite and names, dates and
places. And we are not I repeat WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE
Registered: Jul 2003 WORD OF A LYING COPSTER!!!!!!!!!!
Posts: 9006 Of course copsters support gun control. I have seen them enforce it
on others unless that person is their pal.
Just look at what happen to me in Denver where the Denver thugs

arrested me for simply carrying a gun openly and I was in
compliance with state law.
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05-11-2004 08:49 PM
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Registered: Feb 2004 I doubt if is this copster has ever seen a gun fight
Location: in his entire parasitical life.
Posts: 1818
again you need to learn how to read Duncan. I never said anything
about a gun fight. He made reference to officers getting beat up in
a fight when we are off duty. I simply told him I have been in fights
one on one while on duty and haven't lost yet.
05-11-2004 09:25 PM
duncan I doubt that as well copster.

Moderator
I find those that do the most bragging are trying to make up for
Registered: Jul 2003 their insecuirty problems. In fact this is why most copsters are
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado copsters.
Posts: 9006
The high IQ crap the BS about college and the crap about a military
family are all little proofs that you are a weak man and need to feel
bigger by lying about your self.
I post the CG stuff to give testimoney to the fact that the fed is
corrupt and inept. If I were going to lie about my military service
then why I lie about serving on a CG bouy tender in Alaska for
Christ's sake?
One of yer fellow swine demanded my credentials so I posted them

and the f*ck couldn't handle the truth so he went was forced to lie
about my time at CSU.

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05-11-2004 11:18 PM
quote:
Guest
Registered: Not Yet I doubt if is this copster has ever seen a gun fight
Location: in his entire parasitical life.
Posts: N/A
I'm new to this forum, and was just getting my kicks watching the
fireworks. However, the above stated posted reinforces my belief
that "Duncan" is as ignorant as he is illiterate (Webster's is even
online if picking up a book is too tiresome or difficult). While it’s
amusing read the filth you imbeciles actually type, I can not
imagine how anyone, except for a psychopath, could for a moment
think that a cop (or swine as you like to call us) would look forward
to being involved in a “gun fight.” Taking a life is not a badge of
honor. No cop looks forward to the possibility. If we find one that
does, we fire them. Then they join a militia, denounce the
government, start a copwatch websight….. You get my point.
I particularly enjoy how you people trash cops as being stupid. Yet,
every post that I have read by one of you simpletons is strife with
spelling errors and a complete disregard for verb usage. I’m not the
smartest person on the face of the earth (measly 137 IQ), but I can
at least converse in a somewhat intelligible manner. Try it
sometime, it can be liberating….
I would like to know exactly what it was that police officers have

done to each and every one of you to fill you with so much hatred.
You mock the danger we face daily, and are completely
disrespectful to the ultimate sacrifices some of our brothers and
sisters pay. The price is paid to protect each and every one of you
from those who don’t care about your political views while they rob,
rape and murder you. Your mothers must be so proud that you
laugh at the deaths of your protectors and would dance a jig on
their graves.
I too served my country. I am a disabled veteran. I believe that gun

control is a good sight picture and sight alignment. If the
government wants to take away your guns, they will have to come
after me also. I believe in freedom of speech. I also believe every
single one of you cop hating morons is an oxygen thief. But I
digress….
I would love to stay and chat, but my black helicopter is here to

give me a ride to work….
XXX’s & OOO’s

A swiney, donut eating, fat, lazy, public servant, who defends your
right to be stupid and safely sleep the night
05-11-2004 11:28 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Unregistered
Registered: Feb 2004 I believe that gun control is a good sight picture
Location: and sight alignment.
Posts: 1818
don't forget using both hands.
I guess you've got me in the IQ department as mine is only 136.
Please register and help me and the other brothers and sisters
wearing the badge that post here cut through the BS that is often
posted here.
05-11-2004 11:39 PM

duncan And of course this guy would be a copster.

Moderator
Oh boy what dribble. Stop with the lies porkey and how can you be
Registered: Jul 2003 disabled and be an evil copster.
Posts: 9006 Your the one spitting on veterans. If you hate what some other
veteran has to say about copster then **** 'em uh p8G?
No f8ck you ya welfare hack.
Sh8t stupid we can all take IQ test and mine is 137 as well, but
they mean nothing in the real world.
You had to post that becasue you are inferior in intelligence and
can't reason.
Yer like all copsters you feel a need to brag about things that aren't
true to compenstate for a weak character. If you could get a real
job then you wouldn't be a copster.
So you hate the militia as well as the truth and freedom. So if some
guy is in the militia of the second amendment you gonna whack 'em
just like you facist p8gs did down in WACO?
Oh my the big bad fat ass *** is scaring me.
But you don't get it porkey we don't want your false protection and
before you go protecting anyone you might want to ask them first
and what ever do don't steal their money when they say NO to a fat
f*ck like you. Now run along scumbag as we have plenty of your ilk
on the forum as it is.
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05-11-2004 11:46 PM
Such vulgarity. If you truly had an IQ of 137, I would hope that you
Guest could tone down the m0th#rf*(k#rs a little. Duncan, why must you
be so ugly? Must be your nature. I have not the need nor desire to
Registered: Not Yet explain or defend myself to you. I have less to lie. Believe me or do
Location: not, I could care less what goes through your small demented
Posts: N/A
mind.
quote:

[B]Your the one spitting on veterans. If you hate what
some other veteran has to say about copster then ****
'em uh p8G?
How exactly was I spitting on veterans? I don't like you, but that's
not really the same. Besides the USCG isn't really the military. It
falls under the Department of Transportation, not Defense. So in
my book, you're no more a veteran than the guy holding the "slow/
stop" sign in a construction zone.
quote:
You had to post that becasue you are inferior in

intelligence and can't reason.
B-E-C-A-U-S-E. Because, not becasue. With an IQ of 137, can you

figure out how to use spell check?
quote:
Yer like all copsters you feel a need to brag about

things that aren't true to compenstate for a weak
character. If you could get a real job then you wouldn't
be a copster.
I have a real job. I'm proud of what I do. How do you know I'm
lying? Because it doesn't fit into your propaganda?
quote:

So you hate the militia as well as the truth and

freedom. So if some guy is in the militia of the second
amendment you gonna whack 'em just like you facist
p8gs did down in WACO?
Guess you missed the whole portion of my previous post concerning

gun control. Concerning militias, I believe they are filled with,
well.....people like you. Feeble minded idiots with an agenda of
hatred. Militias are a breeding ground of right-wing terrorists, who
preech hatred and racial supremacy. Just like your beloved Nazis.
Gee, who exactly is the jack booted thug here?
05-12-2004 12:16 AM
duncan "Such vulgarity. If you truly had an IQ of 137, I would hope that
Moderator you could tone down the m0th#rf*(k#rs a little. Duncan, why must
you be so ugly? Must be your nature. I have not the need nor
Registered: Jul 2003 desire to explain or defend myself to you. I have less to lie. Believe
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado me or do not, I could care less what goes through your small
Posts: 9006
demented mind."
Did you see me post the word motherf*cker? But you just did you
vulgar swine. Like you filthy swine never swear in public.
Down on the ground motherf*cker or I'll blow your f8cking

brains out of your head you sorry ****sucker.
Why must you lie porkey? You can be vulgar without being vulgar if
you know what I mean? People don't like to be jerked off and lied
to it is insulting and worse than calling a guy a motherf*cker.
And you think that I need to defend my actions to tax consuming

government servant? Fat chance.
"How exactly was I spitting on veterans? I don't like you, but that's
not really the same. Besides the USCG isn't really the military. It
falls under the Department of Transportation, not Defense. So in
my book, you're no more a veteran than the guy holding the "slow/
stop" sign in a construction zone."
Oh so you admit to not being a new moniker. Like you had time to
read the entire forum? So you have how many monikers do you
have and how long have you been here?
Yes liar the USCG is a branch of the military and there ya go again
being vulgar with lies and spitting on a vet. Hey if the USCG is not a
branch of the military then why are there over ten USCG ships and

boats in the Gulf and why did a coastie die in battle just last week
on pier located in Iraqi?
Wrong bozo the USCG is no longer under the DOT it has been under
the Homeland Gestapo since right after 9/11. The USCG served in
every single war since right after the American Revolution and it is
the oldest branch of the military and has been around since 1790. If
the CG isn't a branch of the miltary then you need to go to the local
VA and rip down that CG flag and spit on ever coastie vet you see..
"B-E-C-A-U-S-E. Because, not becasue. With an IQ of 137, can you

figure out how to use spell check?"
The problem is you can't reason or think and when you get into a
tight spot, just like all ***s, you look for fault to make your self feel
superior and divert attention form your own inferior abiltiy to
reason. You have to create a phoney moniker to make it appear as
if you just got here and and are unbaised towards the forum. So
you post a pile of crap. Your actions are that of an inferior liar who
can't debate and so you resort to ad-hom attacks and stupid little
child like internet warfare.
Gee I just got here and oh my what an awful website. Cops

are wonderful people who protect people and you awful cop
haters should kiss our asses. Opps I mean you should kiss
their asses.
If you got an IQ of 137 then my IQ must be off the charts. Do you

really think the rest of are as f*cking stupid as you are? Do you
really think that anyone is buying your crap porkey?
"I have a real job. I'm proud of what I do. How do you know I'm
lying? Because it doesn't fit into your propaganda?"
It doesn't fit your propganda porkey. People who are employed by

the state don't work and have nothing to be proud of.
"Guess you missed the whole portion of my previous post

concerning gun control. Concerning militias, I believe they are filled
with, well.....people like you. Feeble minded idiots with an agenda
of hatred. Militias are a breeding ground of right-wing terrorists,
who preech hatred and racial supremacy. Just like your beloved
Nazis. Gee, who exactly is the jack booted thug here"?
You're the nazi pal and this is why the second amendment is in
place to prevent f*cks like you from kicking our doors in and killing
us ? I'm not in A militia I am in THE militia of the second
amendment and your bullsh*t won't fly here scumbag.
Oh my your lies are getting so vulgar and I just want to know why
you lied ****sucker?
Come to my home to steal my guns thug and you will surely die
trying.

P8G's do in fact support gun control they lie often and every chance
they get. This p8g is an agent for the state he wears black and he
packs a gun. So the state won't take his gun away. The state will
use him to take away my gun away and lie about me by cliaming
that I'm a nazi.
How ****ing pathetic and it doesn't get any more vulgar than this,
to lie about a man and then kill him because he spoke out agaisnt
the facism of copsters.
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05-12-2004 01:12 AM
Matt1 Duncan, I think most everyone here knows your IQ is nowhere near
Senior Member 137. Unless it is -137. You can't spell worth a damn. I think you
would take that as a clue.
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05-12-2004 02:56 AM

"....hope that you could tone down the m0th#rf*(k#rs..."

Guest
It’s an illustration of some of your more common expletives. I was
Registered: Not Yet being facetious (that means sarcastic with a twist).
Location:
Posts: N/A "like you filthy swine never swear in public."
I never said that I didn't. Never I said I've never lied either. I have
commonly been asked on the witness stand by defense attorneys if
I lied to their clients. I commonly answer with a simple, "Yes."
Why? Because I commonly do lie to their clients. It's simple (much
like you), I can and quite often it is necessary in my line of work. I
could explain every nuance that requires deception, but then I
could be here all day...The same goes for swearing. Why? Because,
"DROP THE GUN M*TH#RF*(K#R, OR I'LL F*(K!NG SHOOT YOU!!!"
has a little greater psychological impact than, "Please mister bad
guy, sir. Please don't kill any more people, sir. Please put the gun
down and stop pointing it at me, sir." Maybe with the former, the
bad guy will get the idea that this isn't a game. With the latter, all
he sees is another victim.
"And you think that I need to defend my actions to tax consuming

government servant? Fat chance."
According to you, I'm not. Besides, I never asked you to defend

anything to anyone. Much less me. I could care less about you.
"Yes liar the USCG is a branch of the military and there ya go again
being vulgar with lies and spitting on a vet. Hey if the USCG is not a
branch of the military then why are there over ten USCG ships and
boats in the Gulf and why did a coastie die in battle just last week
on pier located in Iraqi?"
Gee, maybe we need the USCG to defend our vulnerable aircraft

carriers and missile frigates from the fearsome Iraqi naval armada.
I hear those two row boats could really do some damage. The
USCG is not the military. They may be under Homeland now (which
actually occurred only about a year ago, not since 9/11), but I bet
your discharge still says DOT.
"The USCG served in every single war since right after the American
Revolution and it is the oldest branch of the military and has been
around since 1790."
Oldest branch? The US Navy was formed in 1774, US Marine Corps

in 1775, and the US Army in 1776. Besides from day one the USCG
has operated with law enforcement as one of it's primary missions.
OH, MY GOD....DUNCAN IS (OR WAS) THE LAW!!!!!! RUN ALL YOU
COP HATERS, RUN. ONE OF THE MODERATORS WAS A SWINE
HIMSELF!!!!
"... just like all ***s, you look for fault to make your self feel
superior and divert attention form your own inferior abiltiy to
reason..."

I just like making fun of you. It's fun. Your buttons are easy to push.
"You have to create a phoney moniker to make it appear as if you

just got here and and are unbiased towards the forum."
Nope, wrong answer. I am new, and yes I am biased. I am a cop,

so naturally I would tend to have a liking towards cops. Similar to
your own bias (without all the irrational hatred, conspiracy theories,
and 3rd grade name calling).
"...you will surely die..."
Is that a threat?
I'm having a really good time at this, I think I will invite some
friends. Maybe I will register, but I'm leery to give this sham of a
web forum any credit by actually boosting its member base....
05-12-2004 10:20 AM
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Yet, every post that I have read by one of you
simpletons is strife with spelling errors and a
complete disregard for verb usage. I’m not the
smartest person on the face of the earth (measly
137 IQ)….

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You'd think that someone who claims to have a high IQ would be
somewhat careful to avoid improper word usage.
Actually, if they truly had a high IQ, they probably wouldn't even
need to be careful- they'd just choose a proper word automatically.
You've really shown yourself to be a braggart and a poser, if not an

outright liar.
Which IQ test did you take?
How old were you when you took it?
How old are you now?
I think you are looking for affirmation of your intelligence where

none exists.
The same is true of Matt.

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I guess Duncan needs a little help fending of the evil copsters. Hello
Guest Mack, nice of you to join in...
Registered: Not Yet "You'd think that someone who claims to have a high IQ would be
Location: somewhat careful to avoid improper word usage. "
Posts: N/A
How so (I am quite aware that the previous sentence is fragmented, so
we can skip this particular one)? Please enlighten me since, according to
you, I am obviously a ******ed liar.
"Which IQ test did you take?"
I've taken numerous IQ tests. 137 is actually an average of my three

lowest scores. Since I would not like to pose the appearance of being a
"braggart", I will not further elaborate, or even refer to my mental acuity
any more. Draw your own conclusions, I could care less.
"How old were you when you took it?"
I have taken THEM throughout my life.
"How old are you now?"
Older than when I took them.
"I think you are looking for affirmation of your intelligence where none
exists."
I need no affirmation from you or anyone else.
I have noticed how you like to jump on one specific (yet unimportant and
seemingly unrelated) topic, and try to browbeat that until you feel that
you can denounce anything a person types. It is a common ploy of
egotistical extraverts. Also known as ego driven extraverts. The simple
flaw of this personality type is that, although intelligent, they are never
as smart as the think they are.
For me, this entire exercise is more about personality types (or disorders)
than about intelligence.
05-12-2004 03:18 PM

Mack quote:
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I guess Duncan needs a little help fending of the evil copsters.
Trust me, Duncan can take care of himself. He doesn't need any help
Registered: Jul 2003 from me. I'm just responding to a target of opportunity.
Location:
Posts: 5215 quote:
How so (I am quite aware that the previous sentence is

fragmented, so we can skip this particular one)? Please
enlighten me since, according to you, I am obviously a
******ed liar.
Ignore the fragmentation, and focus on your choice of words. If I have to

point out the problem, you are not as smart as you say you are. Take
your own advice and spend some time with an online dictionary. I'm sure
you will eventually uncover the problem.
quote:
I've taken numerous IQ tests. 137 is actually an average of

my three lowest scores. Since I would not like to pose the
appearance of being a "braggart", I will not further elaborate,
or even refer to my mental acuity any more. Draw your own
conclusions, I could care less.
I doubt you can even name numerous IQ tests.
quote:
I need no affirmation from you or anyone else.
The only people who mention their IQ scores apropos of nothing are
those who feel the need for external validation.
quote:
The simple flaw of this personality type is that, although

intelligent, they are never as smart as the think they are.

A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.
quote:
For me, this entire exercise is more about personality types

(or disorders) than about intelligence.
How odd. That's a subject of interest to me as well. I'll bet I can peg you
more accurately than you can peg me. And I'll bet that you have classic
symptoms of a deviant personality type.
Just because you believe you are the Queen of England doesn't make it
true.
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BLUE IN N.Y.C. The are THE MOST HILARIOUS POSTS AND CONTRADICTIONS
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Registered: Apr 2004 Quote

Location: "The USCG served in every single war since right after the American
Posts: 667 Revolution and it is the oldest branch of the military...."dunkin
[Quote Unregistered[/U]
"Oldest branch? The US Navy was formed in 1774, US Marine Corps in
1775, and the US Army in 1776. Besides from day one the USCG has
operated with law enforcement as one of it's primary missions. OH, MY
GOD....DUNCAN IS (OR WAS) THE LAW!!!!!! RUN ALL YOU COP HATERS,
RUN. ONE OF THE MODERATORS WAS A SWINE HIMSELF!!!!"
As anyone can SEE Unregistered has PROVEN dunkin WRONG!
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"I've taken numerous IQ tests. 137 is actually an average of my three

lowest scores."

Really? 137? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........................With all the

errors, mispellings, improper word usage PLUS vulgarity a 137!!!!!!
Well, since YOU'RE so INTELLIGENT..........explain or post the "range"

137 falls into.
Did you take the I.Q. test as Hitler?
You've a 137 I.Q. and the entire world is made up of only lamd - no
water what so ever!
Get A GRIP!
05-12-2004 07:13 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 I think you are looking for affirmation of your
Location: intelligence where none exists.
Posts: 1818
The same is true of Matt.
first of all I wasn't even talking to you when I posted my IQ Mack. I think
you are upset because I have a highter IQ than you do. I don't need to
prove my IQ to you for any reason. I am not lying about my IQ being 136
so I guess you will just have to take my word for it.
I have not lied once since coming to this site and have no intention to
start now. Yes, Duncan will say I have lied but he cannot post one shred
of proof showing that I did.
Even if you don't think my IQ is what I say it is, you would have to admit
that I am smarter than Duncan. You can easily see that by reading his
posts.
05-13-2004 01:46 AM
Matt
Guest I believe we all have a right to speak, including Mack. This is still the land
of the free, I think.
Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A
05-13-2004 05:48 AM

"Ignore the fragmentation, and focus on your choice of words. If I

Guest have to point out the problem, you are not as smart as you say
you are. Take your own advice and spend some time with an
Registered: Not Yet online dictionary. I'm sure you will eventually uncover the
Location: problem."
Posts: N/A
For the sake of argument, why don't you enlighten me? I strive to always
better myself, so I would greatly appreciate the input.
"Really? 137? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........................With all

the errors, mispellings, improper word usage PLUS vulgarity a
137!!!!!!
Well, since YOU'RE so INTELLIGENT..........explain or post the

"range" 137 falls into.
Did you take the I.Q. test as Hitler?
You've a 137 I.Q. and the entire world is made up of only lamd -
no water what so ever!
Get A GRIP!"
Are you bi-polar or something?
Apparently no one can point to ANY specific instances in which I

committed "errors, mispellings (which incidentally is spelled misspellings.
Can we take a moment to bask in the irony......), or word usage. Don't
call me out and then not provide ANY examples.....It tarnishes your
credibility.
As far as vulgarity is concerned, intelligence has nothing to do with the

love of a good swear word. Besides, I have never resulted to directing
any vulgarities at any person here. I've directed a few insults, maybe an
affront or two, but no vulgarity.
05-13-2004 10:11 AM
duncan I never said that I didn't. Never I said I've never lied either. I
Moderator have commonly been asked on the witness stand by defense
attorneys if I lied to their clients. I commonly answer with a
Registered: Jul 2003 simple, "Yes." Why? Because I commonly do lie to their clients.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado It's simple (much like you), I can and quite often it is necessary
Posts: 9006
in my line of work. I could explain every nuance that requires
deception, but then I could be here all day...The same goes for
swearing. Why? Because, "DROP THE GUN M*TH#RF*(K#R, OR
I'LL F*(K!NG SHOOT YOU!!!" has a little greater psychological
impact than, "Please mister bad guy, sir. Please don't kill any
more people, sir. Please put the gun down and stop pointing it at
me, sir." Maybe with the former, the bad guy will get the idea that
this isn't a game. With the latter, all he sees is another victim.
And I lie to copsters often, because they lie to us. I believe in treating tax
consuming parasite like you with the same contempt and disrespect you

filth treat us with. I know when I am talking to a copster he is lying and I

never take the swine seriuosly. When you lie you lsoe credibility and no
has any respect for you pukes. The copster may think he is conducting an
investigation and controling the situation, but the fact is I'm controling
him and wasting his time. Hey I'm happy to sit here and waste your time.
I'm happy to watch you grils whine and snivil about how tough your job
isn't. I must have captivated your attention becuase earlier you lied and
siad you were leaving the fourm. As long as you spend time thinking
aobut me and this fourm I have basically f*cked up you day and wasted
it. The mere fact that you are measn that this forum has had the impact
that it was intended to have and you filth have been forced to give us
recognition.
We scare the f*cking sh8t out of you nazi bastards and this is why you
are.
You clowns need a new line you all sound like 13 years olds.
"Oh look he miss spelled a word oh sh8t we got him now."
"Oh yea lets sit here and spend hours and hours reading every single
posts in hopes that we can find one little condradiction and then we'll
show him."
"Let's lie and cliam he is child molestor".
"Let's lie and claim he is high school dropout."
"If he post any facts we can't deal with then we will just ingnore him."
"Let's lie and prented he is a militia that is plotting to over throw the
goverment."
"Let's lie and pretend that we copsters defend freedom and if he post
anything about how the US Army tortured innocent people in Iraqi then
we will ignore him."
"I know we can come up with mulitple monikers and pretend that we just
got here and prentend to be objective and lie aobut how this forum is just
a hate monger forum."
Oh please don't kill me officer it is just a wallet and not a gun. Oh please
don't persecute me officer simply becuase I go the PIC church. Oh please
don't steal my wealth officer I need it for my health care and I can't
afford to pay for yours.
I don't give flying f*ck about your perspective or your crimanl

rationalizations for violating basic human rights. The bottom line prokey
is that the end DOES NOT!!!!! justify the means and NO I will not allow
you to walk all over the Bill of Rigths because you incorrectly believe that
you have higher moral purpose in life and us grunts who pay for your
worhtlessness need to just roll over for an arrogant sack of sh8t like you..
Oh paaalease no one gives a squat about your IQ and we all know that
the vast majority of copsters don't even have a four year degree. You
post your IQ simply to compenstate for your inferior character.

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A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you can to vinegar." My
response was "That maybe so, but flies are also attracted to sh*t." - Duncan
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05-13-2004 11:46 AM
duncan Gee, maybe we need the USCG to defend our vulnerable aircraft
Moderator carriers and missile frigates from the fearsome Iraqi naval
armada. I hear those two row boats could really do some damage.
Registered: Jul 2003 The USCG is not the military. They may be under Homeland now
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado (which actually occurred only about a year ago, not since 9/11),
Posts: 9006
but I bet your discharge still says DOT.
Sure why not the f8cking FBI, CIA , US ARMY and NYPD couldn't defend
the US from a couple of guys with box knives. In fact it was your f8cking
government that allowed them into the country.
No my discharge says nothing about the DOT and it looks just like my
Dad's discharge from the US Navy. Yea it is called a DD-214 and so if the
CG is not military then why do they have ten ships and boats in the Gulf
and why did one cosstie die in Iraqi just this past month?
How come you ignored these questions?
Oh that's right you are a f8cking liar and just admitted as such in your
past post. So anything you post from now on is just another f*cking lie.
If my time in the CG means nothing then your time in the military means
nothing either. You can lie all you want and it still won't change the fact
that the USCG is in a branch of the military and no longer apart of the
DOT and prior to 9/11 was it always apart of the DOT? Nope and since
you think you know so much then can you tell us how many coasties died
in Vietnam?
You saw him post it folks he posted that he is a lying copster and with
this is mind I can think of no reason to treat this sack of sh8t with any
respect at all.
He thinks mere words are vulgar. If you want vulgar then get copy of the
Iraqi prison tapes and you can see the US Army POLICE being vulgar.

Yer nothing but a fc8king gas bag.
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05-13-2004 11:57 AM
duncan I have not lied once since coming to this site and have no
Moderator intention to start now. Yes, Duncan will say I have lied but he
cannot post one shred of proof showing that I did.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado He lied about Mack being a criminal.
Posts: 9006
He leid about me being unemployed.
He lied about my DL being suspended.
He lied about a invalid DL being the saem thing as DUS.
He hasn't shown one shred of evedince to support his lies.
It is not for me to prove a negative if you make a claim based on mere

assumptions then it is up you to prove it.
Prove you have an IQ of 136 and why did you feel a need to tell us this?
No one cares and we all know that it is not true. You lied to compensate
for an inferior mind.
When presetned with real critical topics about LE you ingore those srtings
and simply post ad-hom attacks or mindless questions that are designed
to under mind the poster whom you are attacking.
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05-13-2004 12:10 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
[b]Besides, I have never resulted to directing any
vulgarities at any person here.
Registered: Jul 2003 "Resulted"? No. RESORTED is the word you are looking for.
Location:
Posts: 5215
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Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
For the sake of argument, why don't you enlighten me?
I strive to always better myself, so I would greatly
appreciate the input.

Location: I'm always happy to educate anyone who has a sincere desire to learn.
Posts: 5215
quote:
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Yet, every post that I have read by one of you simpletons is strife
with spelling errors and a complete disregard for verb usage. I’m
not the smartest person on the face of the earth (measly 137 IQ)….
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"Strife"? No. The word you are looking for is RIFE. Close but no cigar. In
this context, wrong is wrong. No partial credit.
quote:
Apparently no one can point to ANY specific instances in which

I committed "errors, mispellings (which incidentally is spelled
misspellings. Can we take a moment to bask in the irony......),
or word usage. Don't call me out and then not provide ANY
examples.....It tarnishes your credibility.
There's two, and I wasn't even trying. They just jumped out at me as
obvious and egregious errors, particularly coming from someone claiming
an IQ of 137.
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05-13-2004 01:09 PM

duncan I feel like Geogre Carlin.

Moderator
Vulgar? If you wanna see vulgar watch Fox news and watch Bush
Registered: Jul 2003 lie his f*cking ass off.
Posts: 9006 Vulgar? If you wanna see vulgar watch the f*cking U.S. Army beat
up on little 14 year old children in Iraqi.
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05-13-2004 01:21 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Originally posted by Matt1
first of all I wasn't even talking to you when I posted
my IQ Mack. I think you are upset because I have a
highter IQ than you do. I don't need to prove my IQ to
you for any reason. I am not lying about my IQ being
136 so I guess you will just have to take my word for
it.
Location:
Posts: 5215
I'll ask this question both of you and of the unregistered coward with a
self-professed IQ of 137:
Are you a cop, or do you have a high IQ?
I think the two options are mutually exclusive.
Perhaps you didn't realize that high-IQ applicants are rejected by police
departments.
They don't want intelligent cops who can think for themselves or exercise
independent judgment.

They want officers who are just smart enough to follow orders.
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05-13-2004 01:22 PM
duncan About 3 percent of police agencies require a four year degree. -

Moderator Lesce
Registered: Jul 2003 Cops; Media vs Reality, page 25.

Posts: 9006 Copyrighted 2000
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05-13-2004 01:27 PM

GOD COP quote:

Senior Member
Perhaps you didn't realize that high-IQ applicants are
rejected by police departments.
They don't want intelligent cops who can think for

themselves or exercise independent judgment.
i would disagree with those statements. those two statements alone are
enough for VERY long thread.

Location:
Posts: 1309
05-13-2004 02:15 PM
Mack Would you go so far as to deny that any applicant for the position of
Assistant Moderator police officer has been rejected because he scored too high on a
mandatory IQ test?
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Posts: 5215
05-13-2004 02:59 PM
Mack I'll venture to speculate that our Unregistered participant with the
Assistant Moderator (allegedly) high IQ is in fact the same individual who posted under the
name Daquan. You'll recall that Daquan also had pretensions of an
intellectual nature, but often lapsed into trash-talking gibberish. If Mr.
Unregistered follows suit, then the case will be closed.
At least Mr. Unregistered is not claiming that IQ tests are culturally

biased and therefore invalid. This is the one factor that makes me
somewhat uncertain of my speculation.
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duncan i would disagree with those statements. those two statements

Moderator alone are enough for VERY long thread.
Registered: Jul 2003 About 3 percent of police agencies require a four year degree. -
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Lesce
Posts: 9006
Just the facts ma'am.
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05-13-2004 03:18 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Mack

Senior Member
Why is it when those who OPPOSE dunkin you come to his assistance and
Registered: Apr 2004 try to make a save?
Location:
Posts: 667 I noticed there are QUITE A FEW posters with MULTIPLE I.D."s --- freddy
- neal - sol and Lord knows how many others.
Yet again you're always HIGHLY suspicious of anyone presenting a

logical, reasonable, fairly well written rebuttal free of vulgarity!
COPWATCH openly states "YOU NEED NOT REGISTER TO POST OR READ

- although some restrictions apply. Those that register will have access to
the COMPLETE FORUM to READ and POST."
Another FAMOUS OUTCRY OF YOURS is : "BAN THE @#$%^*@!!!!!!!

That's really intelligent!
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Navigator1 has enough INSIGHT - INTELLIGENCE and INTELLECT

to understand and realize that taking this position DEFEATS the
PURPOSE of the FORUM!
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I "followed suit" in the true dunkin/freddy fashion by using the VERY

SAME vulgar profanities but REALIZED by doing so neither of them took
the hint regarding HOW STUPID - BASE and definitely UNINTELLIGENT
and far from INTELLECTUAL THEIR RAVINGS and RAMBLINGS APPEAR to
all those READING THEM!
I thought momemtarily that YOU had a MODICUM of SENSE but I see

that's far from the case!
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From what I've read in this thread it was dunkin who brought up his I.Q!
If I were dunkin I wouldn't have EMBARASSED myself with this statement.
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It's OBVIOUS dunkin lacks Mastery of the English Language! His TYPOS
are ABOMINABLE! His READING COMPREHENSION leaves MUCH to be
desired! He has NO CONCEPT of the WORDS and/or TERMS he uses - not
to mention the FILTH he feels COMPELLED TO POST!
The issue here as well as the question is Why must YOU come to his
rescue? AND Why is it PERFECTLY FINE for the other "members" to
flood their replies with FILTH - OBSCENITIES - ALLEGATIONS OF
HOMOSEXUAL/PEDOPHILE BEHAVIOR .....................BUT......................
When the SAME IS RETURNED and DIRECTED AT THEM WHO INIATED
THE STRIKE .........................YOU CALL FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................BAN
THEM!
WHY?
05-13-2004 04:04 PM

duncan "Why is it when those who OPPOSE dunkin you come to his assistance
Moderator and try to make a save?"
Registered: Jul 2003 We have an admission the p8g is not here to debate he is here to oppose
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado just one man and dat be me. Gee thanks for the compliment and I
Posts: 9006 thought that you posted I was insignifigant? I guess you lied uh?
So why do yer fellow porkers come to your assitance when I expose your
lies on the forum and kick yer ass in a debate? Need back up becuase
you can't debate me is why.
.
"I noticed there are QUITE A FEW posters with MULTIPLE I.D."s --- freddy
- neal - sol and Lord knows how many others.'
And your are the biggest crimnal of this crime liar. Now how would you
now that Neil uses many monikers unless he already posted as such on
the forum? Thus there is no deception here.
"Yet again you're always HIGHLY suspicious of anyone presenting a

logical, reasonable, fairly well written rebuttal free of vulgarity!"
Show us just one of your copster postings that is void of lies and
deception and with this in mind is it no wonder that the guy is suspicious
of your lies.
"COPWATCH openly states "YOU NEED NOT REGISTER TO POST OR READ

- although some restrictions apply. Those that register will have access to
the COMPLETE FORUM to READ and POST.""
"Another FAMOUS OUTCRY OF YOURS is : "BAN THE @#$%^*@!!!!!!!"
It does say we have some restrictions and if you come here to post lies,
attack our members and attempt to destroy our freedoms thru deception
well then I say we ban the f*cks.
You cannot reason with a nazi his only purpose is to control and then
destroy.
Tell us why we should care about your perspective while at the same time
you ignore ours?
"I "followed suit" in the true dunkin/freddy fashion by using the VERY
SAME vulgar profanities but REALIZED by doing so neither of them took
the hint regarding HOW STUPID - BASE and definitely UNINTELLIGENT
and far from INTELLECTUAL THEIR RAVINGS and RAMBLINGS APPEAR to
all those READING THEM!"
Vulgar is as vulgar deoe porkey and every time you post a lie we all find
it very vulgar and here the short list of your filthy lies.
You lied about my time at CSU.
You lied about the CSU CJ program.
You lied about Prof Standing Bear.
You lied about the DPI program.

you lied about my lawsuit.
You lied about my time in the USCG.
"I thought momemtarily that YOU had a MODICUM of SENSE but I see
that's far from the case!"
Yea we all know a BS guy when we see him porkey. You have yet to post
anything of substance or debate the reason we need cops or support with
logic any of the myths which surround copsters like you.
_
"From what I've read in this thread it was dunkin who brought up his I.Q!"
And yet another lie. Yer pal matt the thug first posted that he had a
higher IQ than I do and then the phoney unregisted copster posted that
he has an IQ of 137 and then after this mattt the thug then posted that
his IQ is 136. Yet the fact of the matter is only 3 percent of all police
agencies have people with four year degrees.
We know why the copsters posted this crap, becuase they are feeling
inferior and need to lie about their IQ levels. I mean matt the thug won't
even tell us where he supposedly went to college and niether does the
other phoney copster.
I went to CSU and I have BA in Political Science along with two

certificates. I didn't post this as a header you ask me for my credentials
and I gave them to you and when you saw them you went on this vulgalr
tirade of lies.
So why did you lie about calling the CSU alumni association? And you are
right the CSU thing is not important what is important is that you as a
copster lied in order to compensate for your crap.
"If I were dunkin I wouldn't have EMBARASSED myself with this

statement."
Hardly and I'm proud of the fact that I exposed you for the lying scum
that you are and the fact that you can't debate in a civil manner on our
forum and as such it is time for you to go unless you can start dealing
with the issues on the forum and knock of the lying.
Once agian a perspective is atwo way street and we are not going to have
your perspective shoved down our throats or allow you to get away with
a lie.
"It's OBVIOUS dunkin lacks Mastery of the English Language! His TYPOS
are ABOMINABLE! His READING COMPREHENSION leaves MUCH to be
desired! He has NO CONCEPT of the WORDS and/or TERMS he uses - not
to mention the FILTH he feels COMPELLED TO POST!"
Is MASTERY even a word stupid? Deal with the facts and cut the crap liar.
"The issue here as well as the question is Why must YOU come to his
rescue? AND Why is it PERFECTLY FINE for the other "members" to flood
their replies with FILTH - OBSCENITIES - ALLEGATIONS OF
HOMOSEXUAL/PEDOPHILE BEHAVIOR .....................BUT......................
When the SAME IS RETURNED and DIRECTED AT THEM WHO INIATED

THE STRIKE .........................YOU CALL FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................BAN

THEM!
WHY?"
While he ignores his filthy lies and his pals calling our people criminals
and child molestors.
Say goodbye punk.
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Very good Mack. You pay attention. I commend you on being such
Guest an astute paranoid schizophrenic. Of my numerous posts you have
successfully found two (very small) slips. Maybe because I'm
Registered: Not Yet human I make mistakes.
Location:
Posts: N/A You see Mack, the difference between you and I, is that I choose to
look at both sides. If I make a mistake, I can admit it. If I am
wrong, I can admit it. Unlike your pal Duncan, I don't have to resort
to vulgarities. To be honest, half the time he writes something, I
can't understand a damn thing he's saying anyway. So, why don't
you continue to bag on me about my two minor errors. Yet allow
you buddy Duncan to spew his ignorance all the same (remember,
he too claims to have an IQ of 136).
"I'll venture to speculate that our Unregistered participant

with the (allegedly) high IQ is in fact the same individual
who posted under the name Daquan."
No I'm not. Why are you so hung up on my IQ?
"Perhaps you didn't realize that high-IQ applicants are

rejected by police departments."
"They don't want intelligent cops who can think for

themselves or exercise independent judgment."
"They want officers who are just smart enough to follow

orders."
1. No they aren't
2. I sometimes feel that is possible
3. Now that's highly likely.
Let me qualify these answers. The first is self-explanatory. The

second strikes a chord, because from time to time it feels like more
discretion is taken from the individual officer. It sometimes feel that
we aren’t allowed to make our own decisions without opening
ourselves up to liability, or being sacrificed in the media. The third
refers back to the second. But remember, just because one
department does it, does not mean all departments do it.

Duncan, Its good have you back (well not really). Yet you never
answered any of my questions. I guess it's easier to change the
subject. Who is the oldest service again?
Why do you feel it necessary to compare me to those weekend

warriors in Iraq. MP's are not cops. MP's don't enforce law. I had as
much to do with that stupidity in Iraq as you did. In fact, as a cop,
I'm probably a lot more pissed about prisoner mistreatment than
you are.
"In fact it was your f8cking government that allowed them

into the country."
Actually it was OUR government.
"...so if the CG is not military then why do they have ten

ships and boats in the Gulf and why did one cosstie die in
Iraqi just this past month?"
There are a lot of people in Iraq that aren't military. And a lot of
them are dying also. Just because you wish it, doesn't make it so.
Can you name the coastie that was killed in Iraq? Show a simple act
of respect, why don't you learn his name. I already know it. DC3
Nathan Bruckenthal.
Oh, another thing. In an earlier post to Matt, you claimed that the
USCG has torpedoes and battleships. well okay, not so much
claimed and inferred. Care to enlighten me?
"Oh that's right you are a f8cking liar and just admitted as
such in your past post. So anything you post from now on is
just another f*cking lie."
I've already admitted that I lie as a matter of job function. Do you

lie Duncan? Watch how you answer. It's a catch 22. If you say "yes"
you admit to being a liar. If you say "no" everyone knows your lying
(we already know it anyway). You see Duncan EVERYONE lies.
Every day, everyone of tells numerous small white lies. We don't do
it to be deceitful, we do it for a variety of reasons. To spare peoples
feelings and boost another's self esteem is the biggest reason why.
People with defensive personalities will almost never admit that
they lied, even in the face of overwhelming proof.
"Oh yea lets sit here and spend hours and hours reading
every single posts in hopes that we can find one little
condradiction and then we'll show him."
"If he post any facts we can't deal with then we will just
ingnore him."

Just like your buddy Mack has sat there and done to me. What is it
you people say? Oh, yeh...Pot Kettle Black.
"Oh paaalease no one gives a squat about your IQ and we all

know that the vast majority of copsters don't even have a
four year degree. You post your IQ simply to compenstate
for your inferior character.
Depends on where you are. About half of the officers in my

department have at least 4 year degrees. The other half qualified
because of military duty or prior law enforcement experience.
Besides, since when is a 4 year degree proof that you are
intelligent? I know a lot of stupid people with who have a college
diploma. Are you a college graduate?
05-13-2004 05:45 PM
Formerly known as unregistered

Guest
Yes Duncan, mastery is a word.

Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A
Mastery: noun; Etymology: Middle English maistrie, from Old
French, from maistre master
1 a : the authority of a master : DOMINION b : the upper hand in a
contest or competition : SUPERIORITY, ASCENDANCY
2 a : possession or display of great skill or technique b : skill or
knowledge that makes one master of a subject : COMMAND
Apparently CSU is lacking in the Reading and Comprehension

department.
05-13-2004 05:59 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 Matt
Location: I believe we all have a right to speak, including
Posts: 1818 Mack. This is still the land of the free, I think.
You are right they do have a right to speak. It is still the land of the
free until people like Duncan and Mack come into power.

05-13-2004 06:03 PM
“Duncan Philp, Fort Collins, Colorado, Founder of the Colorado

Guest Patriots Militia, Philp was a member of Pete Peters’ Identity La Porte
Church of Christ” ( False Patriots magazine p 54, 1996 Southern
Registered: Not Yet Poverty Law Center) And now notice how he continues to twist the
Location: lie even further in his book.
Posts: N/A
“In Colorado, Duncan Philp, who was closely aligned with Pete
Peters, and formed the White Patriot Militia in Ft. Collins,
…” (Gathering Strom; Americas Militia Threat p 90, 1996 Morris
Dees)"
Somehow it does not surprise me that Duncan is a white

supremacist. Just like the Nazis. Tell me more about yourself
Duncan. I know you're a white male in your mid 40's. I bet you
have blonde hair and blue eyes too.....HEIL!!!!
05-13-2004 06:24 PM
duncan Oh gosh here the p8g goes agian using a different moniker and
Moderator lying all the way.
Registered: Jul 2003 "Very good Mack. You pay attention. I commend you on being such
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado an astute paranoid schizophrenic. Of my numerous posts you have
Posts: 9006 successfully found two (very small) slips. Maybe because I'm
human I make mistakes."
Notice the constant use of ad-hom attacks which clearly indicates

that this guy is another facist p8g who hates free speech and lacks
any kind of intelligence as he refuse to debate.
But p*ggie you are quick to point out the mistakes of others and
your IQ is slipping.
"You see Mack, the difference between you and I, is that I choose to
look at both sides."
This is a lie and you choose to look at one side and which is the
wrong side of the spectrum, as you cannot live in a free society and
have facist agents of social control running around imposing the
ever evil drug war on the masses or rather the war on freedom.
"If I make a mistake, I can admit it. If I am wrong, I can admit it."
You lied about the CG and I posted the proof that you lied and I
don't see you admitting to it. And by refusing to acknowledge your
lie you have agian lied. I know you think it insignifigant, but it only
proves to those who read this forum how you p8gs operate.

"Unlike your pal Duncan, I don't have to resort to vulgarities."
Your lie is a vulgarity and when you are caught lying it shows others
what kind of methods you will resort to in order to obtain control
and say anything to make coposters out to be pure and honest. We
know better don't we? It was you who admitted to being a liar, thus
you have no credibility. You have no idea when you are lying and
when you aren't.
"To be honest, half the time he writes something, I can't

understand a damn thing he's saying anyway."
It must be that low IQ problem of yours. Mack has no problem

understanding the basic concepts of libertarianism.
"So, why don't you continue to bag on me about my two minor

errors. Yet allow you buddy Duncan to spew his ignorance all the
same (remember, he too claims to have an IQ of 136)."
But a guy with an IQ of 136 would never makes any mistakes. And
a guy with such a normal IQ would never lie about the USCG in a
feeble attmept to discredit the views of another.
""I'll venture to speculate that our Unregistered participant with the

(allegedly) high IQ is in fact the same individual who posted under
the name Daquan.""
"No I'm not. Why are you so hung up on my IQ?"
Of course you are and why are you so hung up on your IQ? Could it
be becuase you are a person of inferior intelligence and needed to
post this lie?
"Perhaps you didn't realize that high-IQ applicants are rejected by

police departments."
"They don't want intelligent cops who can think for themselves or
exercise independent judgment."
"They want officers who are just smart enough to follow orders."
1. No they aren't
Yes they are
2. I sometimes feel that is possible
It is always a reality and never a possiblity.
3. Now that's highly likely.
Just like any good little nazi would and just like Adolph Eichmann
did for herr Hitler.
And remember only 3 percent of all police agencies ask for four

year degrees.
"Let me qualify these answers. The first is self-explanatory."
The why didn't you bother to explain it? Becuase you have no
explination for it.
"The second strikes a chord, because from time to time it feels like
more discretion is taken from the individual officer. It sometimes
feel that we aren’t allowed to make our own decisions without
opening ourselves up to liability, or being sacrificed in the media."
Waaa waaa here the p8ggie squeel. This is his cop out for not being
able to think for him self and a lame excuse to be used for when he
f8cks up on the job.
"The third refers back to the second. But remember, just because
one department does it, does not mean all departments do it."
I was only following orders, ya vohl.
"Duncan, Its good have you back (well not really). Yet you never
answered any of my questions. I guess it's easier to change the
subject. Who is the oldest service again?'
The CG and why did you lie? The CG formerly called the Revenue
Cutter Service was founded in 1790 and the worthless US Navy was
founded in the 1798. And you never bothered to ask me any
questions.
So how long was the CG in with the DOT?
How many coasties died in battle?
How may coasties died in 'nam?
"Why do you feel it necessary to compare me to those weekend

warriors in Iraq. MP's are not cops. MP's don't enforce law. I had as
much to do with that stupidity in Iraq as you did. In fact, as a cop,
I'm probably a lot more pissed about prisoner mistreatment than
you are."
Where was a comparison made? Copsters are copsters the world

over and now he spits on the NG as well as the CG. Oh my your
ignorance of the CG is showing and it must be that your IQ is
slipping agian. You posted that you are a disabled vet and so how
can you be an evil copster as well? Like copsters don't torture
people in this country.
""In fact it was your f8cking government that allowed them into the
country.""
"Actually it was OUR government."
It ain't my f8cking abortion it is your f8cking abortion and I don't

see you doing anyhting about it.
""...so if the CG is not military then why do they have ten ships and
boats in the Gulf and why did one coastie die in Iraqi just this past
month?""
"There are a lot of people in Iraq that aren't military. And a lot of
them are dying also. Just because you wish it, doesn't make it so.
Can you name the coastie that was killed in Iraq? Show a simple act
of respect, why don't you learn his name. I already know it. DC3
Nathan Bruckenthal."
Still can't get around that lie of yours I see. So do the other people
have ships, torpedeos, 50.cal machine guns, wear flap jackets? How
do you know I didn't learn his name. I knew he died in battle and
you didn't. You where forced to do a search engine and you where
hoping to catch me in lie when in fact it is you who has been caught
lying his ass off in order to compensate for that low IQ of yours.
Yer a real sack of **** P8g and you are the kind of guy who needs
his teeth kicked down his p*g throat. Spitting on vets who expose
the nazi's in amerika.
Show a little respect for another veteran you lying sack of P8g sh8t.
"Oh, another thing. In an earlier post to Matt, you claimed that the
USCG has torpedoes and battleships. well okay, not so much
claimed and inferred. Care to enlighten me?"
So why did you lie about the CG? I already enlightened you Mr. IQ
of 137. Do your own f8cking search engiens liar. I already proved
the fact that your are just another lying sack of P8g sh8t.
"Oh that's right you are a f8cking liar and just admitted as such in
your past post. So anything you post from now on is just another
f*cking lie."
"I've already admitted that I lie as a matter of job function."
yea we already knew this and thus you have no credibilty
" Do you lie Duncan?"
I don't live off the tax payers you do liar and we aren't going to pay
you to lie to us scumbag. I don't lie when I deal with honest people.
Your p8g pals lied and it cost them 20K.
"Watch how you answer. It's a catch 22. If you say "yes" you admit
to being a liar."
No it isn't yer a f*kcing lying p8g and deserve to get sh8t on.
" If you say "no" everyone knows your lying (we already know it
anyway)."

I say NO now prove it p8g.
"You see Duncan EVERYONE lies."
Not everyone, rather every cop does. Ya see the rest of the world
isn't as corrupt as you are ya f8cking nazi filth.
"Every day, everyone of tells numerous small white lies. We don't

do it to be deceitful, we do it for a variety of reasons. To spare
peoples feelings and boost another's self esteem is the biggest
reason why. People with defensive personalities will almost never
admit that they lied, even in the face of overwhelming proof."
This is lame at best, but then you are an evil copster who will say
anything to get out of a lie and rationalize your criminal activity.
"Oh yea lets sit here and spend hours and hours reading every
single posts in hopes that we can find one little condradiction and
then we'll show him."
"If he post any facts we can't deal with then we will just ingnore
him."
"Just like your buddy Mack has sat there and done to me. What is it
you people say? Oh, yeh...Pot Kettle Black."
No liar you did it to me and mack pointed out your double

standards and you can't deal with it. So why did you lie? You said
we should question the motive behind the lie. Your motive is
anything but righteous.
"Oh paaalease no one gives a squat about your IQ and we all know
that the vast majority of copsters don't even have a four year
degree. You post your IQ simply to compenstate for your inferior
character.
"Depends on where you are. About half of the officers in my

department have at least 4 year degrees.'
Oh my another lie and he already admitted to being a liar. Only 3

percent of all police agencies have a four year degree and only 25%
of all working Americans have a four year degree. I think you are
lying unless you can start posting references for your bullsh8t then
we will have to accept this as another p9g lie.
"The other half qualified because of military duty or prior law

enforcement experience."
Military duty is not a pre-requisite to being a facist p8g. And yet

another lie,. They just keep stacking up don't they?. So was this
just a white lie? You didn't want to offend the copsters who post
here?

"Besides, since when is a 4 year degree proof that you are

intelligent?"
And if you have one then you have proved that it is no sign of
intelligence. So a four year degree is worthless? You need to tell the
Universities and not me.
"I know a lot of stupid people with who have a college diploma."
Are you one of them?
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05-13-2004 06:47 PM
duncan Apparently CSU is lacking in the Reading and Comprehension

Moderator department.
Registered: Jul 2003 I asked you a question and did you miss the question mark
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado dumbass?
Posts: 9006
If you know I graduated from CSU then why ask me if I went to
college?
Are you jealous becuase you didn't go to college and don't really
have an IQ of 137?
You keep responding to me, but according to you I'm to stupid to

even talk to.
You arrogant sack of crap.
So why did you lie about the CG?

Is this a febble attmept to discredit me?
Didn't work to well for you did it stupid?
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05-13-2004 06:59 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C.
Senior Member
dunkin
Location: "The other white meat" is 100% CORRERECT IN THE
Posts: 667 DEFINITION AND COMMENT!
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I will repeat the DEFINITION of MASTERY and Cite the
SOURCE from which it was DEFINED.
I will cite from the following Reference Source :
WEBSTER'S UNIVERSAL ENCYLOPEDIC DICTIONARY
Copyright (c) Merriam - Webster, Incorporated
2004 Edition ISBN 0-7607-2911-5
Published In The United States Of America
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Mastery : noun [Middle English maistrie, from Old French,

from maistre master] (13th. Century)
1 a : the authority of a master : DOMINION b : the upper hand

in a contest or competition
: SUPERIORITY, ASCENDANCY
2 a : possession or display of great skill or technique b : skill

or knowledge that makes one a master of a subject :
COMMAND
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It is easy to understand WHY dunkin is totally UNFAMILIAR

with this word.
Reading his posts (with the exception of the CUT&PASTE work

and/or assistance by others posting in his name) dunkin
relegates his replies to redundant rhetorical simplistic childish
replies!
When extremely frustrated or angered his resorts to

peppering these posts with filth and vulgarity!
It does not take a secondary, post secondary education or

genius I.Q. to respond in this fashion.
His responses reflect lack of knowledge, mastery of the

English language, poor reading comprehension, etc.
This is INDICATIVE to his response to this word!
His usage of cliches' such as "FLOOR FLUSHER" is incorrect.!

I've corrected his faux pas : the proper term is "Four
Flusher!"
Four Flusher : intransitive verb (1896) : to bluff in poker a

four flush ; four cards of the same suit in a 5 - card poker
hand broadly : to make a false claim : BLUFF
His response? A slew of vulgarity!
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People wouldn't be so CRITICAl if it weren't for his CONSTANT

BRAGGADOCIO!
WHICH MEANS :
Braggadocio : noun , [Braggadocio, personification of

boasting in FAERIE QUEENE by Edmund Spenser] (1594) 1 :
BRAGGART
2a : empty boasting b : arrogant pretension : ****INESS
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The other possibility and most likely QUESTIONING of this

word is it's SIMILIARITY to MASTURBATION!
A word more easily recognized by dunkin!
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Masturbation : noun (1766) : erotic stimulation especially of

one's own genital organs commonly resulting inin orgasm and
achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of
sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation,
occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations
of these agencies.
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I hope dunkin can UNDERSTAND the difference between these

two words!
More than that he should now be able of SPELLING them

properly(especially if he prints this post out!) and possibly
USING them correctly!
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If I were dunkin I'd STOP posting that I "have" a college

education and what my I.Q. is alledgedly!
Unless dunkin attended REMEDIAL CLASSES I really CAN'T

UNDERSTAND how it was POSSIBLE for a Degree to be
conferred upon him by any College/University!

There's DEFINITELY a SERIOUS ISSUE here!
He MAY have a LEARNING DISABILITY ...........he's previously

DENIED IT............................OR........................SOMEONE
TOOK THE EXAMS FOR HIM!
I'll leave that debate up to the readership.
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By the way the year in PARENTHESIS is the year the word

became included in the DICTIONARY and RECOGNIZED as a
VIABLE part of our LEXICON!
05-13-2004 07:38 PM
How can the CG have battleships when the last active battleship in
Guest the world was the USS Missouri, which was decommissioned in
1992?
Registered: Not Yet
Location: In fact, Icebreakers are the largest ships that the CG operates. I
Posts: N/A guess they will come in handy when we declare war on the
penguins in Antarctica.
How am I lying about the CG?
There were two CG squadrons in Vietnam. Squadron #1 lists 7

members KIA. They are:
LTJG David C. Brostom, 25,Los Altos, CA 8/11/66
EN2 Jerry Phillips, 27, Corpus Christi,TX 08/11/66
LT Jack C. Ritticher, 34 Barberton,OH 6/9/68
FN Heriberto S. Hernandez, 20, San Antonio, TX 12/5/68
ENC Morris S. Beeson, 37, Pitkins, LA 3/22/69
EN1 Michael H. Painter, 26, Moscow, ID 8/8/69
LTJG Michael W. Kirkpatrick, 25, Gainesville, FL 8/9/69
Squadron #1 also lists 59 members WIA.
Squadron #3 lists no members KIA or MIA.
The two squadrons list a total of 1,075 enemy KIA/WIA (1,053 for

Sqaudron #1 and 722 for squandron #3)
There, I answered you Vietnam question. I appreciate the sacrifice

these brave men gave for their country. However, more journalists
were killed in Vietnam than CG personnel. There were 34 of them.
05-13-2004 08:29 PM
Squadron #3 lists no members KIA or MIA.

Guest
I meant WIA, not MIA.
Registered: Not Yet
Posts: N/A
05-13-2004 08:31 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. The Other White Meat

Senior Member
Do you ever NOTICE when he's WRONG he'll NEVER ADMIT
Registered: Apr 2004 IT!
Location:
Posts: 667 Good Post! If you don't mind I'll refer to you as "TOWM" it's
easier!
05-13-2004 09:19 PM
"TOWM" is fine by me...

Guest
I was thinking that some people might not "get" the moniker "The
Registered: Not Yet
Location:
other white meat" I have choosen. So I will explain. Since pork is
Posts: N/A the "other white meat", and I am a p8g, swine, copster, or
whatever, I figured I would embrace my porkness.....
While I do not have the opportunity to sit in front of the computer

all day, I will make every attempt to comment or answe comments.
However since I have a job, I might be a little behind in getting
back with you.
I am still debating on whether or not to actually register. Until I

make up my mind, I am content to just post here. Rest assured. If I
have anything to say, you will know it is me....Ciao
05-13-2004 09:38 PM

Matt1 I love the name, and I understood what you meant by it.
Senior Member
I hope you register soon. I am sure you will enjoy picking apart the
Registered: Feb 2004 lame arguments you will find that are often posted here.
Location:
05-13-2004 09:41 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. I caught onto to it right a way! It's a CLEVER a.k.a.!

Senior Member
Glad to have you aboard!
Posts: 667
05-13-2004 09:50 PM
duncan Plenty of pro copsters forums out there and you are free to speak to
Moderator them.
Registered: Jul 2003 This forum is private property and you violated our property rights
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado when you lied about our members and lodged personal attacks on
Posts: 9006 them.
this forum is not a forum for copster is is a forum for people who
have been abused by copsters.
Can we go to your copster forums and post our stuff without fear of
being silenced?
If so post a link and we will go over there and bash filthy lying p8gs.
I think you are white neo-nazi and this is what you really mean by
white meat.
So why did you lie about the CG?
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05-13-2004 10:37 PM
"This forum is private property and you violated our property

Guest rights when you lied about our members and lodged
personal attacks on them."
Registered: Not Yet
Location: ??? Who have I lied about? Who have I made personal attacks
Posts: N/A against. I have only reciprocated the warm welcome I had received.
I have directed no vulgarities at anyone here. I commonly admit
that I do not like Duncan, but I believe I have a 1st amendment
right to free speech. Wasn't that the same amendment you sued
the Jefferson County Sheriff’s department over for alleged
violations? Oh, I see. You are a hypocrite. YOU can have freedom of
speech, but others can not.
”this forum is not a forum for copster is is a forum for people

who have been abused by copsters.”
INTRODUCTION:
The Copwatch Forum is brought to you under the aegis of the 1st
Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which formally confirms the
universal right of every man to think and speak for himself.
In contrast to the operators of pro-police websites, we do not

discriminate against those who disagree with our views. Police
officers and Copwatch members alike are equally welcome to
participate in the Forum.
The above, is directly from this websight’s FAQ page. In fact, it is

the first two sentences of the FAQ page. I guess that since Duncan
is a moderator of this forum, either he is lying, or the lies are in the
FAQ page. Either way, hypocrisy….
“Can we go to your copster forums and post our stuff

without fear of being silenced? If so post a link and we will
go over there and bash filthy lying p8gs”
If you think you can hang with the big dogs, go for it. It’s been my
experience however, that your kind don’t last very long. You are
welcome to try. Let me know which one you go to so I can watch
the fun.
“I think you are white neo-nazi and this is what you really
mean by white meat.”

I bet you were really fantasizing about white meat. I’ll bet that
when you first saw my moniker, you had such an intense homo-
erotic reaction, you had to immediately repress it with as much
hatred and self loathing that you could muster. You despise your
own impulses so much that you must redirect your self-hatred onto
others. Studies show that homophobia is directly linked to
repressed homosexual urges. Every time you use the word "fag" in
a negative manner, you are just crying out for help. Come on out of
the closet Duncan. We won’t judge you.
”So why did you lie about the CG?”
How did I lie about the CG? In fact, the only person around here
who has lied about the CG is you.
05-14-2004 12:23 AM
duncan "??? Who have I lied about?'

Moderator
Was the comment directed at just you?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Man for guy with an IQ of 137 you don't seem to be able to
Posts: 9006 comprehend much do ya?
"Who have I made personal attacks against."
Me
"I have only reciprocated the warm welcome I had received. I have
directed no vulgarities at anyone here."
Your lies are vulgar and tough sh8t life ain't fair.
" I commonly admit that I do not like Duncan, but I believe I have a
1st amendment right to free speech."
But you hate property rights and free speech doesn't mean freedom
to lie on our forum.
"Wasn't that the same amendment you sued the Jefferson County
Sheriff’s department over for alleged violations?"
So sue me.
"Oh, I see. You are a hypocrite. YOU can have freedom of speech,
but others can not."
yes you are a hypocrite and you are free tp speak on a pro copster
forum and you are not free to lie when you psot here.
”this forum is not a forum for copster is is a forum for people who

have been abused by copsters.”
INTRODUCTION:
"The Copwatch Forum is brought to you under the aegis of the 1st
Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which formally confirms the
universal right of every man to think and speak for himself."
I rest my case this is not a pro copster forum and if you don't like it
then you are free to leave.
You still can't pove that we have violated your right to free speech.
Show us liar.
"In contrast to the operators of pro-police websites, we do not

participate in the Forum."
Well that is a f*cking lie and I have lost count of the number of
times our members have bene banned for trying to debate issues
with civility on p8g forums.
Post a link p8g and see if we get to trash you prokers like you have
trashed us here. I don't see a link liar.
"The above, is directly from this websight’s FAQ page. In fact, it is

FAQ page. Either way, hypocrisy….'
So how did we violate your right to free speech liar. Show us liar?
“Can we go to your copster forums and post our stuff without fear
of being silenced? If so post a link and we will go over there and
bash filthy lying p8gs”
"If you think you can hang with the big dogs, go for it. It’s been my
experience however, that your kind don’t last very long. You are
welcome to try. Let me know which one you go to so I can watch
the fun."
Post a link lair. Don't last long? Is this an admission of violating the
rights of others to speak freely on an evil facist copster forums?
“I think you are white neo-nazi and this is what you really mean by
white meat.”
"I bet you were really fantasizing about white meat.'
No but you are as this is your handle.
" I’ll bet that when you first saw my moniker,"

An admission that he lies and used deception he has multiple

monikers to hide behind.
"you had such an intense homo-erotic reaction, you had to

immediately repress it with as much hatred and self loathing that
you could muster."
I did? News to me liar. But then we expect nothign less than lies
from an evil fag loving copster like you.
"You despise your own impulses so much that you must redirect
your self-hatred onto others."
No I just hate facist ***s who lie alot.
"Studies show that homophobia is directly linked to repressed

homosexual urges."
I think you are heterophobe ya fag.
"Every time you use the word "fag" in a negative manner, you are
just crying out for help."
Fags suck. Oh just a statemtn of fact and you know Shepard had it
coming.
"Come on out of the closet Duncan. We won’t judge you."
Ok I'm a flaming hetero sexual who likes women and you hate
women.
”So why did you lie about the CG?”
"How did I lie about the CG? In fact, the only person around here
who has lied about the CG is you."
The oldest and fifth branch of the miltary that is used in time of
war. You lied.
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05-14-2004 12:47 AM
INTRODUCTION:
Guest "The Copwatch Forum is brought to you under the aegis of
the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which formally
Registered: Not Yet confirms the universal right of every man to think and speak
Location: for himself."
Posts: N/A
I rest my case this is not a pro copster forum and if you don't
like it then you are free to leave.
You still can't pove that we have violated your right to free
speech. Show us liar.
"In contrast to the operators of pro-police websites, we do

not discriminate against those who disagree with our views.
Police officers and Copwatch members alike are equally
welcome to participate in the Forum."
Well that is a f*cking lie and I have lost count of the number
of times our members have bene banned for trying to debate
issues with civility on p8g forums.
Post a link p8g and see if we get to trash you prokers like
you have trashed us here. I don't see a link liar.
"The above, is directly from this websight’s FAQ page. In

fact, it is the first two sentences of the FAQ page. I guess
that since Duncan is a moderator of this forum, either he is
lying, or the lies are in the FAQ page. Either way,
hypocrisy….'
So how did we violate your right to free speech liar. Show us

liar?
Okay, this is rich. Duncan is attacking the contents of his own

websight's FAQ page.
"The oldest and fifth branch of the miltary that is used in

time of war. You lied."
Buzz, wrong answer you are still lying. The CG is NOT the oldest nor
the 5th branch of the military. Does the CG have its own corridor in
the Pentagon? No.
Look I have absolutely nothing against the USCG or its members

who have served. They have served their country just like those in
the 4 branches. However, they are not the oldest branch of the
military, and they are not a 5th branch. These are facts.
Let me digress for a moment. Why were you so concerned with the
CG's role in Vietnam? You are not a Vietnam vet. You were born in
August 1957. You were 16 when the Vietnam war ended. You are
not even a wartime vet. You lied about the CG having battleships.
Why did you lie about that? Why do you keep trying to deflect the
truth?
05-14-2004 01:18 AM
duncan INTRODUCTION:
Moderator
"The Copwatch Forum is brought to you under the aegis of the 1st
Registered: Jul 2003 Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which formally confirms the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado universal right of every man to think and speak for himself."
Posts: 9006
I rest my case this is not a pro copster forum and if you don't like it
then you are free to leave.
You still can't prove that we have violated your right to free speech.
Show us liar.
"In contrast to the operators of pro-police websites, we do not

participate in the Forum."
Well that is a f*cking lie and I have lost count of the number of
times our members have been banned for trying to debate issues
with civility on p8g forums.
Post a link p8g and see if we get to trash you prokers like you have
trashed us here. I don't see a link liar.
"The above, is directly from this websight’s FAQ page. In fact, it is

FAQ page. Either way, hypocrisy….'
So how did we violate your right to free speech liar. Show us liar?
Okay, this is rich. Duncan is attacking the contents of his own

websight's FAQ page.
No I was attacking you when you lied and posted that we could go
onto copster forums to debate copsters. Why did you lie?
Show me were we violated your right to free speech.

"The oldest and fifth branch of the miltary that is used in time of
war. You lied."
"Buzz, wrong answer you are still lying. The CG is NOT the oldest
nor the 5th branch of the military. Does the CG have its own
corridor in the Pentagon? No."
Hey take it up with the USCG and why does the VA have a CG flag?
The oldest founded in 1790 before the US Navy, the US Marine Corp
and the US Army.
So why did you lie and the pentagon is not a branch of the military.
Niether is the CIA or the NSA.
"Look I have absolutely nothing against the USCG or its members

who have served. They have served their country just like those in
the 4 branches. However, they are not the oldest branch of the
military, and they are not a 5th branch. These are facts."
Yea they are and you lied agian. Fess up to your lie or get banned.
My dd-214 looks just like the rest and the USCGC say they are the
fifth branch so take it up with them and this is not an opinion it is a
fact.
"Let me digress for a moment. Why were you so concerned with the
CG's role in Vietnam?'
I'm concerned about your lie.
If they aren't a branch then why were they in 'nam? You lied and
spit on these men who have died in 'nam.
"You are not a Vietnam vet. You were born in August 1957."
Where did I post a birth date ***? The posting of personal info will
get you banned say goobye p8g.
You posted that the CG was not a branch of the military and so I
proved that you lied this is the point of talking about 'nam. I never
cliamed to be a 'nam vet as I was to young to have served and so
what is your point liar.
":You were 16 when the Vietnam war ended"
I was 14 stupid and next time get your dates straigth you even got
my birth date wrong.
"You are not even a wartime vet"
So? The point was to prove that you lied and I did. The CG is a
branch of the military and if they aren't why were they in'nam?.
"You lied about the CG having battleships."
No you lied the Boutwell is a battle ship in the Gulf not my problem

you redefined the word. Navy terms are not the same as CG terms.
"Why did you lie about that?"
Why did you lie about that and the CG?
"Why do you keep trying to deflect the truth?"
Why did you lie about the CG?
And say goodbye, as the posting of personal info is one of our

standards for banning of people.
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05-14-2004 02:41 AM
Mack quote:
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Originally posted by The other white meat
Very good Mack. You pay attention. I commend
you on being such an astute paranoid
schizophrenic. Of my numerous posts you have
successfully found two (very small) slips.

Location:
Posts: 5215 But of course. It's MY fault that you aren't as smart as you have
deluded yourself into believing. I must be mentally unbalanced,
since it is simply not possible that you aren't a genius.
You asked me to point out your error(s) because you were unable

to find them yourself. You claimed that you would appreciate the
opportunity to learn something new. When I oblige, you call me a
paranoid schizophrenic. Typical cop mentality.
quote:
Why are you so hung up on my IQ?
I am not "hung up" on the issue. I address it because:
1) You brought it up in a misguided effort to bolster your credibility

and intimidate the opposition. You opened the door.
2) I don't believe your claims.
quote:
"Perhaps you didn't realize that high-IQ

applicants are rejected by police departments."
1. No they aren't
Let me ask you the same question I asked Matt-
Do you deny that any applicant seeking employment as a police

officer has been rejected solely on the basis of scoring too high on a
mandatory IQ test?
quote:
I've already admitted that I lie as a matter of job

function.
Now there's some refreshing honesty.
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05-14-2004 06:50 AM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
[b]I commonly admit that I do not like Duncan,
but I believe I have a 1st amendment right to free
speech. Wasn't that the same amendment you
sued the Jefferson County Sheriff’s department
over for alleged violations? Oh, I see. You are a
hypocrite. YOU can have freedom of speech, but
Registered: Jul 2003 others can not.
Location:
Posts: 5215
You demonstrate a cop's typically hazy understanding of the

Constitution.
The 1st Amendment's prohibition against abridging free speech

applies to the government, not to private parties.
As governmental actor, you cannot interfere with my freedom of

speech unless your actions meet the appropriate Constitutional test.
Copwatch is not under any similar restraint.
If we were to ban you, your right to free speech under the 1st
Amendment would not be impacted.
Your statement simply provides more proof that cops are ignorant
of the purpose and function of the Constitution.
You guys can't properly enforce the law, because you don't know
the law.
You have sworn to uphold the Constitution, but you don't

understand its provisions.
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INTRODUCTION:
The Copwatch Forum is brought to you under the aegis
of the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,
Registered: Jul 2003 Meaning that we are protected by the 1st Amendment from being
Location: shut down by governmental actors (Homeland Security, FBI, local
Posts: 5215 police departments, yourself).
It doesn't mean that you have a Constitutional right to post here.
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Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
“Can we go to your copster forums and post our
stuff without fear of being silenced? If so post a
link and we will go over there and bash filthy
lying p8gs”
If you think you can hang with the big dogs, go

Registered: Jul 2003 for it. It’s been my experience however, that your
Location: kind don’t last very long. You are welcome to try.
Posts: 5215 Let me know which one you go to so I can watch
the fun.
You know why "our kind" don't last very long? Because we get
banned almost immediately. Not because we are disruptive, but
because your so-called "big dogs" (ie overweight, steroid-abusing
slobs) can't stand to have anyone challenge their indefensible, self-
aggrandizing perspective.
Your buddies want an insular environment conducive to a

continuous self-congratulatory mutual masturbation session. They
don't want an outside observer to point out that they are simply
jacking off.
Another reason they ban us is that they can't keep up intellectually.

They start to feel inferior, and ban us to preserve their egos.
I've run circles around everyone I've ever debated in a pro-cop

forum, and have been banned immediately for my troubles.
So don't bitch to me about double standards or hypocricy.
You are in no position to complain.
Put your vaunted IQ to work on that.
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05-14-2004 08:08 AM
Duncan, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you.

Guest
P.S.
Registered: Not Yet
Location: You can't ban me. I'm not registered. Funny how that works. You
Posts: N/A can delete my posts, but that's about it. Besides, I got what I
wanted....
05-14-2004 09:44 AM
From the official US Coastguard Websight:

Guest The United States Coast Guard, one of the country's five armed
services, is also one of the most unique agencies of the federal
Registered: Not Yet government. We trace our history back to 4 August 1790, when the
Location: first Congress authorized the construction of ten vessels to enforce
Posts: N/A
tariff and trade laws, prevent smuggling, and protect the collection
of the federal revenue. Known variously as the Revenue Marine
and the Revenue Cutter Service, we expanded in size and
responsibilities as the nation grew.
These added responsibilities included humanitarian duties such as
aiding mariners in distress. Our law enforcement functions also
continued to expand. Congress tasked us with enforcing laws
against slavery, piracy, and enlarged our responsibilities to prevent
smuggling. We were also given the responsibility to protect the
marine environment, explore and police Alaska, and chart the
growing nation's coastlines, all well before the turn of the twentieth
century.
The service received its present name in 1915 under an act
of Congress when the Revenue Cutter Service merged with
the Life-Saving Service. The nation now had a single maritime
service dedicated to saving life at sea and enforcing the nation's
maritime laws. We began to maintain the country's aids to maritime
navigation, including operating the nation's lighthouses, when the
Lighthouse Service was transferred to the Coast Guard in 1939.
Later, in 1946, Congress permanently transferred the Bureau of
Marine Inspection and Navigation to the Coast Guard, thereby
placing merchant marine licensing and merchant vessel safety
under our purview.
The Coast Guard is one of the oldest organizations of the federal
government and, until the Navy Department was established in
1798, we served as the nation's only armed force afloat. We have
continued to protect the nation throughout our long history and
have served proudly in every one of the nation's conflicts. Our
national defense responsibilities remain one of our most important
functions even today.

In times of peace we operate as part of the Department of

Homeland Security, serving as the nation's front-line agency
for enforcing our laws at sea, protecting our coastline and
ports, and saving life. In times of war, or on direction of the
President, we serve under the Navy Department.
First of all, the Navy DEPARTMENT was officially established in

1798. Not the Naval SERVICE. Where do you come up with the
obviously flawed fact that the USMC wasn’t established until 1798?
Is that because the USMC currently falls under the Department of
the Navy? Hate to break it to you but the USMC, although
mandated to protect US vessels at sea, Up until this time it was
under the same department as the Army. As for the CG, If you read
the section above, by your logic it wasn’t founded until 1915. Oh, I
see….No one else can operate under a different name and maintain
the status of their original establishment except the CG…..Hypocrite
The following comes from the USMC websight:

On 10 November 1775, the Continental Congress meeting in
Philadelphia passed a resolution
stating that "two Battalions of Marines be raised" for service as
landing forces with the fleet.
This resolution, sponsored by John Adams, established the
Continental Marines and marked
the birth date of the United States Marine Corps. Serving on
land and at sea, these first
Marines distinguished themselves in a number of important
operations, including their first
amphibious raid into the Bahamas in March 1776, under the
command of Captain (later
Major) Samuel Nicholas. Nicholas, the first commissioned officer in
the Continental Marines,
remained the senior Marine officer throughout the American
Revolution and is considered to
be the first Marine Commandant. The Treaty of Paris in April
1783 brought an end to the
Revolutionary War and as the last of the Navy's ships were
sold.
There is that pesky non-existant Navy yet again....
From the US naval History websight:

April 24th 1778- John Paul Jones captures the British vessel Drake
off the coast of Northern Ireland. The British Captain George
Burdon was killed in the engagement. The Drake is the first major
warship of that the Americans captured in the war.
April 2nd 1781- The USS Alliance under the command of John Barry
was attacked by British privateers. The Alliance captures the British
ship the Mars
The USS stands for United States Ship...

And the CG does not now, nor ever has had battleships. Battleships
were the largest combat capable ships the Navy had until aircraft
carriers. The were all decommissioned because the AC's made them
obsolete. Battleships are too large to operate in coastal waters. You
are a liar....
05-14-2004 10:20 AM
quote:
Guest
Registered: Not Yet You know why "our kind" don't last very long?
Location: Because we get banned almost immediately. Not
Posts: N/A
because we are disruptive, but because your so-
called "big dogs" (ie overweight, steroid-abusing
slobs) can't stand to have anyone challenge their
indefensible, self-aggrandizing perspective.
I can't answer for the actions of others. I have no control of what

they do....I understand your frustration....However, I find it
fascinating that you complain about other people trampling on your
rights (regardless if they are the government or not) yet you are
more than happy to trample the rights of others...While there may
be no legal recourse, it definitely smacks of hypocrisy
So ban me, oh wait you can't. Okay, delete my posts. Delete my

posts and show everyone the hypocrites you are. I have posted
nothing that is not PUBLIC knowledge. But I guess it's okay for
DUNCAN to post the names, birthdays, and SS#'s of cops and their
families. More hypocrisy.....
05-14-2004 10:30 AM

"It doesn't mean that you have a Constitutional right to post

Guest here."
Registered: Not Yet Wrap yourselves in the cloak of constitutional freedom and then
Location: deny those same fundamental rights to others because your don't
Posts: N/A agree with, or like what they say.....Hypocrites
05-14-2004 10:32 AM
quote:
Guest
Registered: Not Yet No you lied the Boutwell is a battle ship in the
Location: Gulf not my problem you redefined the word.
Posts: N/A
Navy terms are not the same as CG terms.
The USCGS Boutwell is a Hamilton-class High Endurance Cutter. It

is designed to intercept and stop smugglers. It is not now, nor ever
was a battlehip. It is a cutter...
05-14-2004 10:40 AM
The news report demeans the Boutwell, however, in describing her

Guest as being "lightly armed". She's no battleship, of course, but for a
ship her size, she's not to be taken lightly. Steaming at 27 knots
Registered: Not Yet there are very few metal-hulled ships she can't catch.
Location:
Posts: N/A "...DOD has the ability to call on the Coast Guard, and in a major
war the Coast Guard is transferred to DOD for the duration (which
has not, to my knowledge, happened yet in this war).
The above quotes were found here:
http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entri...rddeploys.shtml
05-14-2004 10:51 AM

Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Location: Let me ask you the same question I asked Matt-
Posts: 1818
Do you deny that any applicant seeking
employment as a police officer has been rejected
solely on the basis of scoring too high on a
mandatory IQ test?
since I don't know every person that has ever applied for an officer
position, I cannot answer this question. I doubt that it happens
much if at all. Can you post any names or proof?
05-14-2004 10:53 AM
duncan Ban this p8g he posted personal info and lied about the USCG.
Moderator
The p8g stated that the CG never goes to battle when in fact I
Registered: Jul 2003 proved that they do.
Posts: 9006 The p8g lied when eh state that the CG is not a branch of the
military I porved him wrong. Otherwise why was the CG in 'nam?
So why did you lie P8g?
USCG founed in 1790
USN founded in 1798
USMC founded in 1798
So who did we violate your rigths porkey?
Show us liar.
You violated one of our policies and so you get banned and deleted.
Hey if you don't like it then you are free to whine to your fellow
nazi's.
My flyers about Younger go out today sure hope you p8gs don't try
to violate my rigth to free speech.
Oh yea and I get to do what I want with my flag but hey feel free to

try and stop me I could always use anotherr 20K.
And I will be at the Stanley trial gathering info and taking pictures
of FBI nazi's and if you don't f*cking like it then why do you do it to
others?
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05-14-2004 12:58 PM
duncan "...DOD has the ability to call on the Coast Guard, and in a
Moderator major war the Coast Guard is transferred to DOD for the
duration (which has not, to my knowledge, happened yet in
Registered: Jul 2003 this war).
Posts: 9006 You posted that the guard never sees battle and then you
condradict your self with this post.
So why is the Boutwell in battle if the CG never goes to battle?
You posted that CG ships don't have torpedoes? The USCGC

Boutwell has torpedoes, thus you lied.
You stated that the Boutwell is not a battleship? I didn't say it was a
Navy battleship. The ship has cannons and torpedoes and for the
CG this is a battleship. To me if a ship has torpedoes and cannons
and it is in a war theatre then it is a battleship. CG terms are very
different to that of US Navy terms and the two have very little
common. So why did you lie?
Not my fault you don't have knowledge or have such a low IQ?
But I guess it's okay for DUNCAN to post the names,

birthdays, and SS#'s of cops and their families. More

hypocrisy.....
Hey if you don't f*cking like then why do you p*gs do it to me? You
f*cking swine started this sh*t with your spy files and the lies you
placed in them and so yes I will be posting any and all personal info
on you filthy hypocrites.
Too f8cking bad you can't shut this cite down and violate my right
to free speech.
You came here earlier and posted my dead aunts name knowing
that her husband is still alive and to date I had never posted the
names of copsters family members. This will now change. Just
remember who started this crap punk and if you feel froogy then
hey feel free to try and kill me. Her Husband is a WWII vet who
served at Alamagordo during the war and after the war he was a
cop at Sandia Labs in Albuereque. Oppsy f8cked up didn't cha?
We will play these little games all you want, but nothing I reapeat
NOTHING you do or say will stop me from doing to you p8gs have
done to me.
You fools have tried it all and to date you have lost ever f8cking
time. You kicked me down was I was sick and I got up and kicked
you back.
You tried to run me off of CSU and I graduated and it cost you
swine well over 80K.
You scum tried to violate my first, fourth and fifth amendment

rights and it cost you not oly 20K but the public humiltation of
being exposed in the paper.
You swine lied and called me a neo-nazi and I proved you lied in the
public forum. Your source for this crap was the ever incredible ADL
and SPLC both leftist group who both support facist gun control
laws. Yes these are the people you copsters wok with to destroy the
first and second amendment rights of the tax payers.
Not my fault a certain copster named Rich Winchester is a member

of the Neo-nazi church in LaPorte. Truth sucks uh copster?
You're are like most copster scum you're a f*cking liar and a
coward. Face me like man coward so that I can spit on your p*g
face.
Paybacks are motherf*cker uh and maybe you swine will learn from
this that when you f*ck people over it is gonna cost you.
The real reason that I am a copwathcer is becuase I hate arrogance.
You can change you evil ways but I think it highley unlike due to
your arrogance.

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05-14-2004 01:22 PM
Mack quote:
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I find it fascinating that you complain about other
people trampling on your rights (regardless if
they are the government or not) yet you are more
than happy to trample the rights of others...

Location:
Posts: 5215 This is getting tedious. You have no "right" to post here. This forum
is private property. Just like the New York Times and Yahoo. We
can do what we like with private property. If we were to choose to
prohibit certain undesirables from participating, such would be our
right. Does the New York Times publish every letter to the editor it
receives? I highly doubt it.
Got it? We have an absolute right to ban you, and you have no
right to post here.
You really don't understand the Constitution, do you? I'd rather see
a cop with an IQ of 95 who understands basic Constitutional
principals than one with an IQ of 195 who has never even read a
book on Constitutional principals. You're the worst of both: a low-IQ
poser who has never acquired any knowledge of the Constitution.
quote:

So ban me, oh wait you can't.
Don't tempt fate.
You are correct in assuming that we really don't take active steps to
prevent anyone from participating. It's impossible to monitor all the
threads and posts on this forum, and in any event we really have
no desire to prevent people from voicing their opinions, stupid as
they may be (both people and opinions).
quote:
Delete my posts and show everyone the

hypocrites you are.
If that were to happen, how would we be hypocrites? Do you know

what the word means?
quote:
But I guess it's okay for DUNCAN to post the

names, birthdays, and SS#'s of cops
I personally would not be bothered if that were to occur.
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Navigatr1 The other white meat wrote:

Extended Sabatical
quote:
Registered: Jul 2003 Let me qualify these answers. The first is self-
Location: explanatory. The second strikes a chord, because from
Posts: 31403 time to time it feels like more discretion is taken from
the individual officer. It sometimes feel that we aren’t
allowed to make our own decisions without opening
ourselves up to liability, or being sacrificed in the
media. The third refers back to the second. But
remember, just because one department does it, does
not mean all departments do it.
Sounds like you are whining that cops shouldn't be held

accountable. You open yourself up to liability when you put on that
badge and make inappropriate decisions. So stop being in denial
and minimizing. Police departments need to stop protecting their
own in order to save embarassment to the department. They
disgrace the department more by trying to sweep the issue under
the rug.
Cops need to stop whining when they make a bad discretionary

decision, and be held fully accountable for it. If it means prison
time, and losing your job, then so be it. No one forced you to make
that bad decision. You made the bad decision by your own free will.
No one is sacrificing you or your brothers to the media although it
may sometimes feel like it. The media can be brutal no matter who
you are.
I concur with your statement "just because one department does it,
does not mean all departments do it." Although I think all
departments participate in some form of cover up regarding
indiscretions by their officers. Usually it is done because they don't
want to end the career of a "potentially" good officer by minimizing
the crime.
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05-14-2004 01:43 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
[b]Wrap yourselves in the cloak of constitutional
freedom and then deny those same fundamental
rights to others because your don't agree with, or
like what they say.....Hypocrites

Location:
Posts: 5215 The phrase "fundamental rights" is a legal term of art. You
obviously do not know what it means. You have no "fundamental
right" to post here. You do have a fundamental right to go to your
local park and stand on a soapbox and voice your opinions
regarding Copwatch. Please feel free to do so.
We would not be hypocrites even if we were to invoke the 1st

Amendment as protection against governmental interference with
our freedom of expression while concurrently banning every cop
from participating in this forum.
My educated estimate of your IQ drops precipitously every time I

read another of your posts.
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05-14-2004 01:48 PM
duncan Copsters have special rights above and beyond the what the rest of
Moderator us have.
Registered: Jul 2003 1. They have the right to lie.

Posts: 9006 2. They have the right to violate your privacy, but watch out if you
do the same to them.
3. They have the right to violate your property rights i.e. working
behind the scenes to shut down a private forum.
4. They have the right to silence you i.e. working behind the scenes
to shut down a private forum.
5. They have the right to screw you over if they don't like what you
have to say.
6. They have the right to kill innocent people and then lie about
their victims after they have killed them.
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 We have an absolute right to ban you, and you
Location: have no right to post here.
Posts: 1818
Is Duncan one of those who has the power to ban people? He has
said that he can recently, and then in the past has told me that he
cannot. I have the feeling that if he did have the power everyone
that did not agree with him would be banned.
So can he ban people? And if he can, why did he say that he could
not?
05-14-2004 02:36 PM
duncan Is Duncan one of those who has the power to ban people?
Moderator He has said that he can recently, and then in the past has
told me that he cannot. I have the feeling that if he did have
Registered: Jul 2003 the power everyone that did not agree with him would be
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado banned.
Posts: 9006
The past is then and this is now.
Due to the nature of recent posts made by copsters like you which
are designed to destroy our forum things have changed.
Do you ask beucase you are feeling nervous?
You whine about people posting personal info in regards to you, but
then say nothing when your fellow swine post personal info about
me.
My such hypocrisy can only be seen fro your ilk.
I simply ask for the name of a deparmtent so that we can verify if

your department is corrupt out not. If it is corrupt then this would
show an obvious baised in your postings. The mere fact that you
are a copster and refuse to tell us where you clearly indicates that
you have a biaes against us.
I didn't ask for home address, your wifes name or the name of your
children.
Your fellow p8g lied when he stated that I posted the names of
copsters wives and the names of their children. Yet one copster
came here and posted names of my family members and really all

he accomplished was to piss me off and now open the door for me
to do the same thing to him.
So can he ban people? And if he can, why did he say that he

could not?
Yes I can. Becuase then was then and now is now. You can thank
your fellow liars for this.
So why did you lie aobut the DL and the unemployment thing?
Why did you refuse to tell where you work? Got something to hide?
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Matt1 I am not feeling nervous, I just don't believe you have the power to
Senior Member ban anyone.
Registered: Feb 2004 Nothing personal was posted about you. You said all the information
Location: posted was wrong.
Posts: 1818
I have told you numerous times why I don't want people like you
knowing where I work. Nothing to hide, just don't want your type in
my area.
05-14-2004 05:58 PM

duncan yes personal info was posted and this is why two guys got banned
Moderator form the forum
Registered: Jul 2003 now it is my turn to post public info about cops i.e. addresses and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado phone numbers etc... .
Posts: 9006
oh boy another matt the thug lie to add with the others.
I don't live i IN and never havre and never will.
another copster posted his name and location and to date nothing
has happened to him.
no excuse now liar, you hide becuase you have something to hide.
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05-14-2004 09:03 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 yes personal info was posted and this is why two
Location: guys got banned form the forum
Posts: 1818
before you said you got three people banned from the forum.
Specifically Blue, Exterminator and Agitator. Now you say you got
two banned.

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duncan no stupid I said that the many monikers of NYC were banned
Moderator
and if you want to be banned I will be happy to oblige since you
Registered: Jul 2003 post nothing of merit anyway.
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05-14-2004 09:40 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 since I don't know every person that has ever
Location: applied for an officer position, I cannot answer
Posts: 1818 this question. I doubt that it happens much if at
all. Can you post any names or proof?
Still waiting for the proof Mack.

05-21-2004 03:23 AM
Mack I'll let you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Assistant Moderator
You are clearly not prepared to deny that my assertion is true.
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05-21-2004 04:04 AM
duncan Umm I see the cop is still hiding behind his badge.
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 I'll let you dig yourself a deeper hole.
Location:
Posts: 1818 You are clearly not prepared to deny that my
assertion is true.
nice stall tactic. I already answered this question earlier in the

thread. You may need to go back and look. Why not just post your
proof now?
05-21-2004 07:28 PM
duncan You couldn't dig that hole any deeper than you already have bone
Moderator head.
Registered: Jul 2003 Only 3% of all police agencies require four year degrees and only
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 25% of the working population have four year degrees.
Posts: 9006
Do the math dum dum.
Now the question is, how many copster are out there in amerika,
excluding federal ones, and how many of them have four year
degrees?
And can we afford to have them?
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05-22-2004 12:26 PM
Mack Gee, Matt, you seem a little anxious.

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Before I post anything further on this matter, let's engage in some
speculation.
For example, if I post a story regarding a man who was refused

employment as a police officer because his IQ was too high, what
conclusions can we draw?
One, we can safely conclude that the only reason the story is extant
Location: is because the man sued the police department.
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Second, we can safely conclude that for every instance in which a
man sues a police department on these grounds, there are
numerous other virtually identical cases in which no lawsuit is filed,
and thus no publicity is generated.
While the exact number of such cases may be unknown, the

principal is nonetheless solidly established: police departments do
not want to hire cops who are truly intelligent. Rather, they want to
hire cops who are only intelligent enough to follow orders without
exercising independent thought.
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duncan I say we ban everyone on the forum with an IQ of less the 50.
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05-24-2004 01:38 AM
Matt1 Mack I have a four year degree. Just because a small percentage of
Senior Member departments require them, doesn't mean officers don't have them.
Registered: Feb 2004 Post your article, then follow up with the department that did not
Location: hire the guy. Make sure that is the only reason he was not hired
Posts: 1818 before you jump to conclusions. Hell, maybe the guy was a real
***** in the interview and that is the reason he was not hired.
You seem pretty quick to believe this theory, but will not believe
the numerous sites I have posted showing the number of officers
killed on 9/11.
why are you stalling on posting the proof you claim to have?
05-24-2004 12:49 PM

duncan So how many of them do have four year degrees?

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And even one yer fellow porkers posted that just having a four year
Registered: Jul 2003 degree means nothing. Just look at you and your inability to deal
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado with facts.
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And all you haver posted is crap without being able to support it
with facts.
I notice that you are always quick to say no when one of us says
yes.
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05-24-2004 01:14 PM
Matt1 I don't know what number of officer's have a 4 year degree, I have
Senior Member not asked them all.
Registered: Feb 2004 If I could go back in time, I would have gone into the military after
Location: high school in stead of college. The hiring processes I went through
Posts: 1818 seemed to be looking for prior military above college degree.
Also, I say no whenever you say yes because you are always wrong.
05-24-2004 10:28 PM

duncan We know you don't care and this is why yer a copster.
Moderator
You are never right and we accept your submission to our greater
Registered: Jul 2003 intelligence.
Posts: 9006 Now think about these questions for a moment.
How many cops have four year degrees?
How many lawyers have four year degrees?
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05-24-2004 11:24 PM
Matt1 I answered one of your questions in my last post before you even
Senior Member asked it. You obviously don't read anything anyone says before you
spout off your incredibly stupid rants.
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05-25-2004 01:41 AM

duncan You had no answer for my questions and you missed the joke
Moderator stupid.
Registered: Jul 2003 How many copsters in the land and what percentage of them have
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado four year degrees?
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Are copster given IQ test upon being interviewed for the job?
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05-25-2004 12:33 PM
Matt1 still waiting for your proof Mack.

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05-28-2004 09:57 AM

duncan I think he is still waiting for your proof.

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Prove that all of those cops died while in action. Dying like the
Registered: Jul 2003 civilians doesn't count. This is a cheap form of explotation for
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado personl p8g gain of fame and fortune.
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How sad and pathetic you p*gs really are.
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05-28-2004 11:18 AM
Matt1 wrong topic dipsh1t.

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duncan Your right and i say we ban f*cking swine like you who lie and show
Moderator a disregard for the facts.
Registered: Jul 2003 I say we also ban f*cks who threaten my life an stalk me on this
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado forum for vengance.
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Suck my big hairy **** copster.
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Matt1 I agree, if anyone comes here and threatens your life or stalks you
Senior Member they should be banned. Lucky for everyone here that doesn't
happen.
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duncan To late for you though uh?

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I could kick your ass with both hands tied behind my back. I know
Registered: Feb 2004 your type and you are nothing to worry about.
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duncan So why are you worried about me then?

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Why do you respond to my every post?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Why do you fear me?
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 still waiting for your proof Mack.
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guess what, I am still waiting.
06-01-2004 12:07 PM
Mack You are waiting for what?

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Proof that the world is round and revolves around the sun?
Proof that those scumbags who tortured prisoners in Iraq were, in

civilian life, primarily prison guards and cops?
Proof that Geo. Bush is Sharon's bitch?
Proof that if you hit your thumb with a hammer, it will hurt?
Location:
I'll post proof of this fact soon, but in the meantime you are making
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Matt1 Post it now and prove your case. Why do you keep stalling?
Senior Member
The reason you haven't posted it is because you have no proof. Like
Registered: Feb 2004 I said before, you are just like Duncan.
Location:
Posts: 1818 How am I proving your case by asking for evidence that you claim
to have?
You are proving my case by not posting your "evidence."
06-01-2004 05:56 PM
Mack I hope you have a big appetite, because you are going to be eating
Assistant Moderator a lot of crow.
Perhaps you should begin to restrict your intake of donuts in

anticipation of gorging yourself on crow.
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06-01-2004 06:02 PM
Matt1 It has been a couple of weeks since you said you were going to post
Senior Member the proof. Post it already or stop talking about it.
Registered: Feb 2004 For the time being, could you please tell me how I am making your
Location: case for you by asking you for proof?
Posts: 1818
If asking for proof of something makes me stupid, you and Duncan
have the IQ of a bloody tampon.
06-01-2004 06:29 PM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. Do you NOTICE these guys have the same habit? Both
Senior Member SWEAR they'll post a rebuttal which will PROVE US
WRONG......................BUT NEVER FOLLOW THROUGH?
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Matt1 Believe me, I noticed.

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duncan I'm still wiating for matt the thug to prove that cops even have an
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06-02-2004 04:35 AM

Mack You can't prove a negative-

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as in a negative IQ.
Interesting to see Matt getting all worked up about the question of

whether high-IQ wanna-be cops are rejected by police
departments.
I think he is a little sensitive about this issue.

What's the matter, Matt?
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Exterminator FYI = I.Q.'s do not enter into whether or not a applicant is HIRED
Senior Member for a Fire Fighters or Police Officers position.
Registered: Apr 2004 Psychological testing oral and written is a factor to be considered
Location: along with other written and physical testing. Something NEITHER
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06-02-2004 06:07 AM
Matt1 no Mack, I just can't figure out why you won't post the proof you
Senior Member claim to have.
Registered: Feb 2004 Wait I figured it out, you don't have any proof.
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duncan FYI = I.Q.'s do not enter into whether or not a applicant is

Moderator HIRED for a Fire Fighters or Police Officers position.
Registered: Jul 2003 yea and we already know this ya stupid f8ck
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06-03-2004 12:48 AM
Matt1 then why is Mack bringing it up Duncan?

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duncan You brought it up and we proved that copster have no IQ.

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Matt1 Mack, it has been three weeks or so since you said departments
Senior Member don't hire people wiht high IQs. Are you going to post your proof or
not?
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06-04-2004 09:16 PM
duncan Where is your proof that they do?

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We don't see it and based on the kind of halfwit posts that you
Registered: Jul 2003 make you are proving mack to right.
Posts: 9006 Do they give cops IQ test prior to hiring them?
How many cops have four year degrees?
I already posted the fact that only 3% of all police agencies require
a four year degree.
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06-04-2004 11:03 PM
Matt1 duncan, Mack started the topic of the IQ and I am giving him every
Senior Member chance to prove the argument. But for some reason he does not
want to. If there was any proof to post it would have been posted
Registered: Feb 2004 by now.
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06-05-2004 02:15 AM
duncan Why can't you prove him wrong?

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When you call someone out then you need some evidence to
Registered: Jul 2003 support your claim.
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Posts: 1818 evidence to support your claim.
My point exactly!!!
Thanks for the support Duncan.
06-05-2004 08:41 AM
duncan And you never provide any.

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You called mack a liar but failed to prove it.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado You still can't prove that cops have IQ's.
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Only 3% of all police agencies require four year degrees.
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06-05-2004 04:18 PM
Matt1 blah blah blah Duncan.

Senior Member Mack never answered my question about being arrested, so we
don't know who is correct.
Location: I am pretty sure that everyone has an IQ, even police officers. You
Posts: 1818 may be an exception to that rule however.
Just because only 3% require a college degree, doesn't mean that

the officers who apply for the jobs don't have one.
06-07-2004 10:20 AM
duncan You never answered my questions.

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Is it a prerequisite to take an IQ test when applying for a job as a
Registered: Jul 2003 copster?
Posts: 9006 If so why?
If so then what are the numbers?
How many copster in country have four year degrees?
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06-07-2004 01:07 PM
Matt1 every time I applied for a police position I had to take a written
Senior Member test. This was not an IQ test but a test covering certain police
related topics. I don't know personally of any departments that
Registered: Feb 2004 have an IQ test as part of their hiring process.
Location:
Posts: 1818 I have no idea how many officers in the country have a four year
degree.
Again Duncan, Mack made the argument about the IQs and now
refuses to post facts to back up the argument. Now is the chance
for him to shine but for some reason he does not want to.
06-07-2004 07:15 PM
duncan The next question is why did you feel compelled to take and IQ test
Moderator since they have no real valdity?
Registered: Jul 2003 Since cop shops don't give IQ test then there is no way to verify
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado your postion.
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It is common knowledge that police agencies typically hire people
with moderate to low IQ's as they want people who won't question
anything.
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06-08-2004 02:34 AM
Matt1 if it is common knowledge, why won't Mack (or you) post any proof?
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06-08-2004 02:37 AM
duncan becuase we are all having fun jerking your chain stupid.
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06-08-2004 03:00 AM
duncan http://iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq04.htm
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110 Foremen; Clerks; Telephone Operators; Salesmen; Policemen;
Registered: Jul 2003 Electricians.
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duncan http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQ-jobs.htm
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06-08-2004 03:24 AM

Matt1 and this somehow proves Mack's argument? Don't think so. He said
Senior Member that he has proof of people being refused a job as a police officer
because they had a high IQ. For some reason he refuses to post
Registered: Feb 2004 proof.
Location:
Posts: 1818 For some reason Duncan, I didn't see unemployed former USCG
members on the list. They must not have scored high enough to
make it.
06-08-2004 04:29 AM
duncan 100 is an average IQ and would tend to bolster mack's arguement.

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One cop with an IQ of 140 averaged out with other cops who have
Registered: Jul 2003 an IQ of 80 would bring the average up to 110.
Posts: 9006 The 110 number is a mean average and a generalization. In reality
it is much lower than 110 for the majority of copsters.
The USCG takes 18 year old high school dropouts.
And I am employeed I also have a four year degree and you are a
liar who when getting his ass kicked on the forum often resorts to
lies.
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06-08-2004 02:16 PM

Matt1 quote:
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Location: The 110 number is a mean average and a
Posts: 1818 generalization. In reality it is much lower than
110 for the majority of copsters.
Really, I would love to see your investigative notes from all the
research you have done on this topic. I am sure you have them
laying around in your office somewhere.
06-09-2004 12:33 AM
duncan So where is your proof that cops don't have low IQ's?
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I posted two sources which show that they have low to average
Registered: Jul 2003 IQ's.
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06-09-2004 12:52 AM

Matt1 You posted nothing of the sort. I was never tested for this study. I
Senior Member don't believe any other officers who post here were tested. None of
the officers I work with were tested. None of the officers I know
Registered: Feb 2004 were tested to the best of my knowledge. As you said before, this is
Location: a generalization.
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Mack is the one who started this topic. Mack is also the one who
refuses to post proof to his argument. I will tell you this again
Duncan. The person who starts the topic needs to post evidence to
back up their position.
Here is my position on a different topic. I believe you like to have

sex with various fruits and vegetables three days a week. On the
other four days you prefer to have sex with cats and dogs. Now
prove me wrong.
Doesn't work that way does it.
06-09-2004 01:24 AM
duncan My evidence shows that copster have average to low IQ and you
Moderator have NO evidence.
Registered: Jul 2003 If copster are never tested for IQ level then how can you say that
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado cops with high IQ's are highered? And how can you account for the
Posts: 9006 studies that have been done in regards to IQ's and professions?
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06-09-2004 02:04 PM
Matt1 read my above post Duncan. I just answered every question for you
Senior Member and yet you continue to ask them again. Maybe you should get Al to
read it for you.
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06-09-2004 07:16 PM
duncan If copster are never tested for IQ level then how can you say that
Moderator cops with high IQ's are highered? And how can you account for the
studies that have been done in regards to IQ's and professions?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Why did you feel the need to take one of these tests and then wear
Posts: 9006 the results of just one test around as if it has any real meaning?
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06-09-2004 07:39 PM

GOD COP quote:

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I am sure you have them laying around in your office
somewhere.
Sure, right next to the toiletpaper, toothpaste and girly magazines!

I get the feeling that his only office has one place to sit and it
makes a flushing noise!

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duncan pot kettle black

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another loser who lives off of our wealth and does nothing to earn
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Matt1 somebody posted their IQ and I responded. That is the only time I
Senior Member posted it but you could not let it go. You are the one who kept the
issue going, not me.
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06-10-2004 03:12 AM
duncan No liar you were the very first to post your IQ and then one of your
Moderator p8g pals posted his.
Registered: Jul 2003 So why did you feel a need to post a number that has no meaning
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado in the real world?
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I wonder about people who feel a need to show everyone their IQ
numbers. Are they trying to convince those around them or
themsleves? Insecruity problems which led them to become
copsters or people in authority.
I had a close freind took that test three times over a very short
period of time and he recieved three different scorces from below
average to genius.
A copster would take the test over and over until he get the desired
score.
You should read one of those links I posted to see what the
professionals discovered about IQ's. They don't mean squat.
Manson has an IQ of over 125, yet he can't write or spell for sh8t,
due to the fact that he is a product of state run juvie halls.
Robert Stroud had a genius IQ level and what good did it do him
with his 53 years in prison?
I took one on line at I came back with a score of 131. It was simply
a reading and reasoning test. I would have flunked a math or
physics test and not due to stupidity but rather the ignorace of both
topics. I actually had high scores in math when in high school, but
that was 25 years ago and they have sinced changed the way they
do math.
Are we born with high IQ's or are they aquired thru learning and
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06-10-2004 11:27 AM
Matt1 wrong Duncan, I did not post mine first. I responded to another
Senior Member officer that posted his. If IQs mean nothing, then why are you and
Mack making such a big deal about them?
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06-11-2004 10:06 AM
duncan No liar you psoted your IQ first and then one of your pals whom
Moderator you invited here toi lie and harass us posted his.
Registered: Jul 2003 My such an obsession with our forum you have. No one invited you
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado here and still you post 24/7 and on every string you can and you lie
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Anyhting to destroy the free speech of others whom you disagree

with uh p*g?
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duncan You really have to wonder about a guy who feels a need to post an
Moderator IQ number which can't be verfied due to the cowardice nature of
copsters.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Are you trying to convince us or your self porkey?
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06-11-2004 11:42 AM

GC Marciano I voted for the last option: "Require verification that they have
Copwatcher Extraordinaire received at least 100 points on a recognized IQ test".
This would effectively eliminate Matt1, God Cop, Blue In NYC,

Exterminator and every other cop that is obsessed with this
forum. It is nearly impossible for a cop to obtain a triple digit
score on an IQ test unless he cheats.
The black bitch in blue (Blue In NYC) would probably have a

tough time scoring even in the double digits...
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duncan Nah they would give her a 50 point handicap just for being black
Moderator and another 20 points for being a woman and ten more for being a
lesbian.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Affrimative action ya know.
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06-11-2004 11:27 PM
GOD COP Actually, i test somewhere around 118 to 125. I guess that means i
Senior Member know how to get on and off the short bus without removing the
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 No liar you psoted your IQ first and then one of
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post the link Duncan. That way everyone can see how you are
wrong again.
06-11-2004 11:57 PM

Matt1 Here is the link dipsh*t. Looks like I proved you wrong again.
Senior Member
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...37&pagenumber=3
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06-12-2004 12:07 AM
duncan You posted it first ya f8cking dweeb and the point is you just had to
Moderator post a phoney number.
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Matt1 Did you even look at the link? Didn't think so. You need to look
Senior Member because I have proven you wrong again.
Registered: Feb 2004 By the way, you also posted that your IQ is 137. I have seen
Location: recently you posted that it is 131. So which is it?
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duncan Your the one with the IQ problem not me.

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Ask yourself why you posted your IQ on our forum.
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Matt1 I have noticed that Al's true racist colors are starting to show.
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duncan No really how much of handicap are given to black people on police
Moderator tests?
Registered: Jul 2003 Affirmative action at work to discriminate against white people in
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado favor of blacks.
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GC Marciano centergrade?
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AMVET Nobody expects YOU to understand!

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duncan and you understand what?

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you support a lair and a draft doger like Bush who spits on the
Registered: Jul 2003 troops
Posts: 9006 you support killing innocent people who have done nothing to the
US.
f8ck you bushnik nazi
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Exterminator But out you insignificant pile of bat guana! Nobody's talking TO YOU!
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GC Marciano Exterminator's about to cry again.

Somebody grab him a Kleenex.
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06-21-2004 04:34 AM
Exterminator al's CRYING again.

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Somebody grab him a Kleenex. :sniper:
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duncan you have no meaning or crediblity on our furm you fat ass wine.
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get a f8cking life loser and stop trying to live mine.
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06-22-2004 11:20 AM
Exterminator "you have no meaning or crediblity on our furm you fat ass wine.
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get a f8cking life loser and stop trying to live mine"
Registered: Apr 2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------
Location:
Posts: 400 Look at daddy duncan trying to get tough!
"on our furm you fat ass wine."
furm? ass wine? You're TRIPPING OVER YOUR TONGUE AGAIN!
Me live YOUR LIFE?
Hell NO!
Your a f ucking LOSER!
06-22-2004 11:40 AM

GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Exterminator
al's CRYING again.
Somebody grab him a Kleenex. :sniper:
What's the matter pig, can't think of anything original?

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duncan If I'm a loser then why are you obsessed with me?
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06-23-2004 01:17 AM
Exterminator You FINALLY SHOWED UP?

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Damn! alberta must've really been "sockin' it to ya!"
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06-24-2004 09:13 AM
duncan so why did you lie about the racist thing termite inspector?
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Certain members of the VFW and their fellow warmongers
Registered: Jul 2003 have been calling me a racist and pretending that I am
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado a member of the LaPorte Church of Christ. Simply
Posts: 9006 because I wear the US flag upside down on a public
street corner in protest of the draft dodger G.W. Bush
and his illegal invasion of a foreign nation. Their
source for this information is the ever incredible
Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law
Center.
“Duncan Philp, Fort Collins, Colorado, Founder of the

Colorado Patriots Militia, Philp was a member of Pete
Peters’ Identity La Porte Church of Christ” ( False
Patriots magazine p 54, 1996 Southern Poverty Law
Center)
And now notice how the SPLC continues to twist the lie
even further.
“In Colorado, Duncan Philp, who was closely aligned

with Pete Peters, and formed the White Patriot Militia
in Ft. Collins, …” (Gathering Strom; Americas Militia
Threat p 90, 1996 Morris Dees)
Wow I went from being a being a freedom loving

libertarian to being the very founder of a white
revolutionary movement and I never even knew about it.
Here is an interesting quote about and from Morris
Dees the director of the SPLC.
“Although his name appears on the inside cover of

“False Patriots” manual, Dees was quick to distance
himself when told that a business owned by a Jew, with
no patriot links, was listed as a patriot group.”
(Wayne Laugesen Boulder Weekly pg 23, May 2nd, 1996)
“I don’t have anything to do with that book,” Dees

said, You’d have to talk to Joe Roy (director of

Klanwatch) about that.” (Wayne Laugesen Boulder Weekly

pg 23, May 2nd, 1996)
The owner of the gun shop in question was Bob Glass, a

good friend of mine who also happens to be Jewish.
Here is yet another news clip about me.
“Participants help to keep the Dream alive.”
“Duncan Philp, the Rev. David Williams and Aswad Allen

joined arms Saturday evening to lead a march from
Ammons Hall to the Abyssinian church for a memorial
service to honor Martin Luther King Jr.” (Michelle
Doyle, Rocky Mountain Collegian, front page with a
color picture of myself and the other two men,
1/29/90)
Do white racists march for the equality of all races

on Martin Luther King Day?
Shazaam and looks like the SPLC lied. I had consulted

with a Denver attorney, by the name of Arthur Swartz,
to see about suing Dees for slander. Although he
stated that I had a case I probably couldn’t afford to
hire him as I was an unemployed student attending CSU
at the time.
The ADL issued a similar report way back in 1994.
"Militias, calling themselves Patriots, are being

formed across the state and are currently operating in
Lakewood, Longmont, Boulder, Greeley and Fort Collins.
The Fort Collins group is led by Duncan Philp, who has
been a member of Pete Peters' LaPorte Church of
Christ. a racist and anti-Semitic church that embraces
the ideology of the Christian Identity movement."
The ADL offers the reader no dates, references or

sources for this incredible information. I have never
been a member of any militia nor have I ever been a
member of the Laporte Church of Christ. All one has to
do is call Pete Peters, the anti-Semitic preacher for
the Laporte Church of Christ, and ask him if I have
ever been a member of his church.
Here is quote from the neo-nazi himself in regards to

my so-called membership to his church.
"Dear Mr. Giombetti, Please be advised that Mr.

Duncan's reports about my theology simply is not true.
.... No need to communicate further for I don't
concern myself with papers like yours." - Pete Peters
(Mercury, Vol.1 No. 2, page 10, October 1999)

Gosh you would think that if I where in fact a member

of Peter's church then why would he accuse me of lying
about his church?
Even the ADL sent me a letter of apology and backed

off their claim that I was a member of this church.
"We understand your concerns and have taken steps to

insure that this statement in the report will be
amended in all future printings" - Jill Kahn Meltzer,
Legal Affairs Director for the ADL in New York City.
Dated December 12, 1994.
Warmonger's, like most fanatics will resort to

anything to bring harm towards those that they hate
and disagree with, even to the point of lying in
attempt to destroy their lives.
Duncan Philp, political agitator and veteran of the

U.S. Coast Guard.
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06-24-2004 01:15 PM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. Duncan

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You GO OFF TOPIC in EVERY SINGLE THREAD and POST!
Location: The ONLY READERSHIP you get is when YOU'RE PROVEN WRONG!
Posts: 667 This has been more times than I can COUNT!
In short you are an UNEDUCATED SLOVENLY NON WORKING

SOCIAL SECURITY LEECH SUCKING THE MONEY FROM THOSE WHO
TRULY DESERVE THIS MONEY AND HAVE WORKED FOR IT!
The Bullshiit you delight in regarding the paltry sum of $20K

PROVES you're UNEMPLOYED BROKE and living hand to mouth!
Aside from this MEAGER "accomplishment" what other Law Suits

HAVE YOU WON?
What have you accomplished for Gun Owners?
What have you done to CHANGE LAWS THAT NEED CHANGE?
Where have you made any MAJOR CONTRIBUTIONS to CIVIL

RIGHTS?
_____________________________________________
No ANSWER?
You have NONE! You live in a FANTASY WORLD!
You only managed to "accomplish" BULLSHIIT news blurbs without

any REAL VICTORIES!
You CHALLENGE ALL to "RESEARCH" the INTERNET TO FIND OUT

WHO YOU ARE and WHERE YOU CAME FROM!
When this is done you SCREAM You're OBSESSED with me! How
sick to post about my "family!" Ban them from the forum!
A response to be EXPECTED from those who've issues to HIDE!

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The point IS this is your ONLY AVENUE where you've any

importance REAL or IMAGINED!
Too many people have called your bluff and exposed you for what
you are ---- A FAT DRUNKARD LIVING OFF SSI DISABILTY!
You CREATED ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS blaming everyone else!
RAVE ON! Little man! Your voice is only heard here anyway!

07-12-2004 09:07 PM
duncan yer off topic p8g and why are you obssesed with my life?
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what have you done?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado what have you done for gun owners?
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07-13-2004 02:44 AM
PPB8881 Duncan,
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I think they should take all of your rights away.
Registered: Jun 2004 Bums and crazy folks shouldn't own guns.
Location: CA And nobody from Colorado should be allowed to own firearms.
Posts: 590 I wonder how long it'll take you to fly off the handle. Moron
quote this
Suck it
PPB
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07-13-2004 05:29 PM

PPB8881 Duncan,
Member
I think they should take all of your rights away.
Registered: Jun 2004 Bums and crazy folks shouldn't own guns.
Location: CA And nobody from Colorado should be allowed to own firearms.
Posts: 590 I wonder how long it'll take you to fly off the handle. Moron
quote this
Suck it
PPB
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07-13-2004 05:29 PM
PPB8881 DAM I pressed the post button twice. Come on AS and Duncan
Member hurry up and point it out ya know you're dying too.
Registered: Jun 2004 PPB

Location: CA USMC:sniper:
Posts: 590
ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE
OOOHRAH I'TS A MARINE THING!
07-13-2004 05:32 PM
GC Marciano I won't point that out, I'll just point out the fact that you are too
Copwatcher Extraordinaire fucking stupid to figure out how to delete your duplicate post.
Dumbfuck navy bitches...(And "DAM" is spelled "Damn",

dumbass.)
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duncan who is they?

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and who are you to decide for me ya facist p8g?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado it is interesting that the dumbf*ck couldn't figure out how to delete
Posts: 9006 his own post
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07-13-2004 11:30 PM
PPB8881 I did that on purpose stupid to watch you and stupid jump just like
Member I thought you guys would.
Registered: Jun 2004 Damn you 2 are really predictable. while you're still ahead.
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07-14-2004 08:15 PM

duncan well golly gee yer just to smart for us

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PPB8881 YOU FINALLY FIGURED THAT OUT DUNCAN, YOU GET A PRIZE A
Member SWIFT KICK IN THE A$$. MORON

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07-15-2004 11:01 AM
GC Marciano quote:
I am not lying about my IQ being 136 so I
guess you will just have to take my word for it.
Take a cops word for something? Yeah right...
Your IQ can't be above 120. Police Departments only hire

Registered: Jul 2003 dumbfucks. That's why I believe "Blue In NYC" when she says
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she is a pig. Her IQ hovers somewhere in the mid 80's.

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PPB8881 AS,
Member Where's that leave you,your IQ's is in the mid 40's

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duncan so do they even have an IQ test for ex-marines?

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07-16-2004 05:52 PM
PPB8881 DUNCAN,
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MY IQ IS 145
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07-16-2004 06:34 PM

duncan I doubt it you stupid f8cking p8g.

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So how many marines does it take to kick a coasties ass?
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PPB8881 Dorkan,
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The answer is 1
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07-17-2004 06:23 AM
duncan wrong answer

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the answer is we don't know since no marine has ever been able to
Registered: Jul 2003 kick a coasties ass
Posts: 9006 how many coasties does it take to kick a marines ass?
20 as it takes 19 coasties t o run a marine up a tree and then catch

him so that one coastie can kick his ass
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07-17-2004 04:54 PM
GC Marciano The nationwide average IQ for a police officer is 104.

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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by PPB8881
Where's that leave you,your IQ's is in the mid
40's
More evidence of this retards brilliance.
Registered: Jul 2003 __________________

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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Location: Perhaps you didn't realize that high-IQ applicants
Posts: 1818 are rejected by police departments.
They don't want intelligent cops who can think for

themselves or exercise independent judgment.
They want officers who are just smart enough to

follow orders.
We are still waiting for this "proof" you claim to have Mack. It has
been over two months now.

07-20-2004 09:45 PM
PPB8881 IF MACKS ANYTHING LIKE AS,BRETT OR DUNCAN HE'LL BE ABOUT

Member 10 YEARS WITH PROOF OF ANY STATEMENT HE MAKES.

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07-20-2004 10:07 PM
duncan so where is your proof matt the thugg?

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07-20-2004 10:50 PM
Bounty Hunter I see the board is full of "geniuses!'

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I like to see MACK substantiate his claim! I doubt he can.
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07-21-2004 12:19 AM

Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 so where is your proof matt the thugg?
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proof of what? I am not the one who made the claim. Mack did so
he should have to prove it.
07-21-2004 01:17 AM
Bounty Hunter Forget it kid! You're beefing with assholes and losers!
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07-21-2004 01:20 AM
duncan BH = Wannabe copster

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Wannabe = loser
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado can you follow this logic loser?
Posts: 9006
proof that copster have IQ's
Only 3% of all police agencies require a four year degree, thus the
vast majority of copsters don't even have college degrees.
The state does not want people who think and ask questions they
want people like you who will follow orders without question. The
state wants good little nazi like you and people like Adolph
Eichmann, your role model.
So where is your proof that you have an IQ of 136? and this would
not be an outstanding IQ level for a person with a four year degree.
Manson has an IQ of 120 and the guy never went to high school nor
can he even spell. So does that mean your are oigger crimnal than
Manson because you have an IQ of 136 ? We only have your word
for this and of course your ain't worth crap considering all of your
lies and the fact that you are a copster.
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 proof that copster have IQ's
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everyone has an IQ dipsh1t.
07-21-2004 07:09 PM
duncan you don't

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07-21-2004 07:47 PM
Bounty Hunter duncan the high & mighty bullsh itter of all time claims he's more
Senior Member intelligent than any other member! what a fu ckin laugh! you've
been proven WRONG so many times it's a joke! more than that
Registered: Jul 2004 your posts need an interpreter! do embarass your stupid ass by
Location: U.S.A. telling anyone you went to college much less graduated!
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07-22-2004 11:39 AM
duncan and yet another copser without an IQ

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Matt1 quote:
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you haven't posted any
07-23-2004 09:31 PM
duncan you haven't admitted to any

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Registered: Feb 2004 you haven't admitted to any
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admit to what?
07-24-2004 12:37 AM
Bounty Hunter you're talking & trying to reason with an IGNORAMOUS! it's useless!
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07-24-2004 01:01 AM
duncan the facts ya stupid f8cking swine

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07-24-2004 01:41 AM
Matt1 admit to what facts moron? You need to be specific about what the
Senior Member hell you are talking about.

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07-24-2004 05:10 AM
duncan the fact that you lied P8g.

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07-25-2004 12:19 AM
starsky can't we all just get along??

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09-17-2004 04:30 AM

LockDown So this poll says,"I vote to censor what pro-cops say unles it agrees
Member with what I say AGAINST cops!"
What a stupid poll. :sniper:
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09-17-2004 07:38 AM
starsky I agree with Lockdown.

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09-17-2004 08:06 AM
duncan slap these swine into the pen

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09-22-2004 04:55 PM
bad1 quote:
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I agree with Lockdown.
Posts: 701
Maybe you ought to read some of his posts before you agree with
him publicly.
Either way, I dont want anyone to be censored. Let them have their
say. If others dont like it, they can debate.
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09-22-2004 04:58 PM
starsky I must admit I have not read many posts. I am new to copwatch,
Senior Member and have not really gone through the site much.
I just saw a few posts that interested me.

Location: I do not think anyone should be censored.
Posts: 208
I am a police officer. This is an interesting site, with interesting
posters.
I will research more threads, and posts before I publicly agree with
anyone:sniper:
But, I must say, there is quite a bit of 'hatred' towards police

officers here. I find that makes for interesting reading.
Thanks
09-22-2004 06:28 PM

bad1 Good post, Starsky.

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I only said thta because Lockdown decided it would be a good idea
Registered: Jun 2004 to post the same exact thing on several threads.
LIAR Trooper Woody Rogers Anyhow, welcome to the site!
Posts: 701
Please be advised that you will be insulted, attacked, etc. LOL
Sometimes it seems to get a little out of control. Just ignore it.
I came here because of a dirty cop. I like good cops but despise
dirty ones.
I hope you are a good one.
Again, welcome.
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09-22-2004 06:35 PM
starsky Thanks, twenty one years on the job, I have no problem with
Senior Member insults.
I am a good cop.
Location: I am sorry that you had a bad experience with a cop. When cops
Posts: 208 are picked out of the human race, there will be ones that are not
perfect.
I am a 2nd generation cop, and have 2 brothers that are cops.

Actually, one just retired.
Thanks for the welcome.
09-22-2004 08:28 PM

Exterminator Welcome straksy! You're in the company of other officers too!

Senior Member There's Matt1, God Cop, Blue In N.Y.C., Callahan, Bounty Hunter,
Navy FiveO and me. You'll see both sides of the coin be prepared to
Registered: Apr 2004 hear from the gothic venom meister & son! They're raring to go.
Location:
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09-22-2004 11:34 PM
Texastwister1 Welcome to copwatch Starsky. Pay no mind to Termite inspector.

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He is the one that didnt have enough hair on his nutsack to face
Registered: May 2004 Duncan at the bar. He is a coward. Nothing more.
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09-22-2004 11:42 PM
starsky I love my job. They will have to drag me out, kicking and
Senior Member screaming. Actually, about 8 years, I will be 50, and can collect
75%. However, just had another kid 3 years ago, so if health holds
out, I will probably stay longer, unless a better opportunity hits.
Location: Thanks for the backup.
Posts: 208
Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be known as the 'Sons
of God'. Matthew 5:9
09-23-2004 02:09 AM
Exterminator Hey Titty Twister why are you worried about my crotch? I
Senior Member thought you were so beddazled with your wife's phoney tits that

Location:
Posts: 400 you mortagaged your trailer for?
Starsky, be very careful about Titty Twister here, he just loves to

switch sides. You know the type the kind of guy that'll pat you on
your back one minute then spit on you the next.
He's not a cop nor does he like them. When he gets boozed up he
shows his true colors typical lowland rattler! :drunkard:
Congratulations on the latest addition! I wish you all the very best!

Stay Safe!
09-23-2004 02:39 AM
duncan even Hitler thought he was nice guy

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having some P8g tell us that he is a good copster is like having the
Registered: Jul 2003 nazi Bush tell us that the he "approves this message".
Posts: 9006 I never had A bad experience with A cop I have had many
enlightening experiences with many lazy good for nothing swine like
you.
take termite insepctor here who is stalking me in an attempt to get

even with me over the use of my property and the expression my
free speech and this scumbag is a copster
hey termite inspector get a copy of this weeks Bullhorn and read
about one of yer fellow swine by the name of Ray Martinez
hahahhahahahahahahahha
pay back time motherf*ckers
and there will be many many more stories about you Ft. Collins
swine
I told you f8cks that i would make you all famous and I never lie.
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Texastwister1 This guy will do anything to sell us copwatchers on his police state
Senior Member BS as he continues to make himself look like a fool on our forum.

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duncan termite insepctor is a wuss

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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado he looks so otough standing on street corner yelling at little old
Posts: 9006 ladies who oppose the bush regime.
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Texastwister1 I dont think he is even a cop. No cop could act like he does.
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09-23-2004 01:19 PM
starsky If Duncan wants to get in a war of the words, he has come empty
Senior Member handed. He has brought a knife to a gunfight. It is hard to write on
this site sometimes. I am too busy laughing about Duncan's poor
pathetic attempt utilizing the English language.
Location: Keep it coming Duncan. We can use the comic relief.
Posts: 208
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09-23-2004 03:22 PM
Texastwister1 starsky just remember you are talking smack to a moderator. Trust
Senior Member me if push comes to shove the owners of this site will back Duncan,
myself, and all the other moderators. They dont care about the so
Registered: May 2004 called double standard.
Location:
Posts: 1744 The head people of copwatch have made it very clear that Duncan
has been given a great deal of lead way.
Its kinda like how you would cover another cops ass if he or she
were looking to face some criminal charges.
09-23-2004 04:32 PM

starsky thanks tt
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09-23-2004 07:10 PM
Exterminator What are you lifting weights in cyberspace? Think you're the
Senior Member Schwartzenagger of bloviation?
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09-23-2004 09:39 PM
LockDown Ban em all by IP address that way they can't come back and read
Member all this drivel.
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09-23-2004 10:21 PM
starsky can't we all just get along???:sniper:

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09-24-2004 03:05 AM

bad1 quote:
Senior Member
can't we all just get along???
Posts: 701
I wish. I wish there were more debate and less namecalling.
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duncan what is there to debate?

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do you see any copsters debating anything?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado they are here using mulitple momikers because they fear what we
Posts: 9006 have to say they aren't here to debate anything.
Show me the protection p8ggies show us why society should be

forced to pay for your non-services?
what if people have come the the logical conclusion that you swine
offer no services and simply refuse to no longer pay for the crap?
are you going to raid our homes and kill us over our right to choose?
well of course you will, as you swine are already doing this now and
this is the very reason copwatch.com exists, because you swine
don't defend freedom of choice you destroy it by use of violence
and coercion.
can any of you cospters deal with the arguements presented by

copwatchers on this forum?
doesn't look like you can, thus you lost the debate , thus there is
nothing left to debate.
what has the liar strasky offered up so far? nothing
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09-24-2004 08:29 PM
starsky Duncan, what am I lying about.

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Seek professional help!!
Registered: Sep 2004 Take some chill pills, or something.

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09-26-2004 04:46 PM
LockDown Like I said, ban the "copsters" by IP address and then they/we can't
Member come back unless they/we use another computer.
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09-26-2004 06:11 PM
starsky Could you imagine what Duncan's homelife is like. Hopefully, he is

Senior Member not married with children. If he is this miserable on the website,
what is going on at home? A woman probably would not put up with
his hatefilled venom he spouts out when his mouth is open, and he
Registered: Sep 2004 would not be an ideal candidate to be raising and nurturing children
Location: to be happy and productive members of society:eek:
Posts: 208
So sorry your life is so miserable.:frown:
I hope things get better for you.
Life is too short to be a miserable, mad at the world, and so
hatefilled. :confused:
(I hope 'nurturing' was not too big a word for him )
09-26-2004 06:55 PM
duncan what is there to debate?

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do you see any copsters debating anything?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado so why do you hate me and free speech copster?
Posts: 9006
yes you are copster little man and this is why you are.
you can't debate so you resort to ad-hom attacks
can you show anyone the services that cospters provide?
can't do it can you? thus you have lost
you seem obsessed with my home life maybe because you don't
have one so you want mine
jealousy will get you no where
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starsky I am not obsessed with your poor, pitiful, and hatefilled life.
Senior Member I do not know you, therefore, I cannot hate you. I have no probem
with free speech either.
Actually, I have a good life, great wife of 21 years, happy beautiful
Registered: Sep 2004 kids, great many people in my life that I consider friends, and that
Location: consider me a friend as well. I have a few jobs, good at all of them,
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and I love being a cop. I am damn good at it. So, I am not
jealous of your poor pathetic life.
I do not resort to name calling as you may have noticed. I may
have said a few bad things about you, or at you, but your hatefilled,
and ignorant statements ask for it.
It is too bad you have such hatred for cops. Luckily, in my part of
the world, we have many good cops, who truly care for the citizens
we serve.
We probably do have cophaters in our area, that is unfortunate.:
eek: ,but we probably have people that hate garbage men, cable
guys, meter readers and mail men as well.
So,Duncan, I hope this answers your questions.
I have not lost anything. Your arguments are basically empty, have
no basis, and actually do not make sense to anyone with a 6th
grade education or more.
09-26-2004 09:14 PM
starsky I am not obsessed with your poor, pitiful, and hatefilled life.
Senior Member I do not know you, therefore, I cannot hate you. I have no probem
with free speech either.
Actually, I have a good life, great wife of 21 years, happy beautiful
Registered: Sep 2004 kids, great many people in my life that I consider friends, and that
Location: consider me a friend as well. I have a few jobs, good at all of them,
Posts: 208
and I love being a cop. I am damn good at it. So, I am not
jealous of your poo

09-26-2004 09:14 PM
Texastwister1 Starsky Care to comment on my thread titled " The web of justice"?
Senior Member Its on the war on drugs section.

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09-26-2004 09:29 PM
duncan if you don't know me then why did you post the crap?
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09-26-2004 11:07 PM
starsky Texas Twister, I do not have a whole lot to say about it.
Senior Member As long as drugs are illegal, I will do my part to get them off the
street.
I see what drugs do to people all the time. No one, no matter what
Registered: Sep 2004 you do for a living, working at McDonald's, or a corporate officer of
Location: a major business is safe from the addictions.
Posts: 208
I have seen people lose their $200,000 home, and their other
assets as a result of the weakness that drugs gives them.
I have seen people steal from their employers, friends, and even
their mothers so they can pay to get high.
That is crazy!!
I have refrained from drugs my whole life, other than trying
marijuana when I was about 18, Should marijuana be legalized?
Maybe, maybe not. But as long as it is illegal, I will enforce the law,

and arrest those in possession of it.

Personally, I do not care if a grown mature adult does drugs. Take
all you want, just stay home, away from your kids, and especially
my kids, and have a job where you can pay for them, without
committing crimes to get the money to pay for them.
Again, as long as they are illegal, I will do my job. I will go home
every night after my shift.
If you are having trouble with dishonest cops, I am sorry for your
luck. I do not like dishonest cops either, and have known a few in
my 21 years of law enforcement. Report them, or move somewhere
else.
Duncan, seek professional, pyschiatric help. You need it.
09-27-2004 10:39 AM
starsky Isn't this a great country. You can put up a website.

Senior Member Expell hate talk.
Speak lies about police officers.
Get upset when you do not agree with what someone (cop)says.
Registered: Sep 2004 If you do not agree with the opinion given (by a cop), call him a liar.
Location: You can call him names.
Posts: 208
Spout off all kinds of vulgarities. (which usually do not make sense
anyway
.
Yes, it is a great country.
This is a cool website. It goes to show that the educational system
is either not working, or students are falling asleep during basic
English classes.
God Bless America.
Help keep cops safe.
09-27-2004 11:16 AM
duncan So you admit that you are part of the problem and not the solution
Moderator and you will follow orders like robot.
Registered: Jul 2003 Adolph Eichmann used this same defense and they hung him by the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado neck anyway.
Posts: 9006
We don't care what copster want we don't work for the copsters
they work for us and so we only care what we want as copsters
don't pay our salareis. You have no equal vioce here copster as you
are the public serviant who lives off of our wealth and we are your
masters.
You have a choice you can quit and get another job we have no
choice we are forced to pay for your crap and put up with it wether

we like it or not and this is why our forum exist we want to bring
back freedom of choice and replace the existing order with free
market.
Killing people and stealing their proerty over dope is crazy. if you
are doi thsi stuff then you are the real crimanl as you are murderibn
and stealing property. What consetnign adulkts od in the privacy of
their own home is their business and not yours and it is not your
responsibility to riase children or tell paretns how to raise children.
morality is not the prevuve of the government and your immmoral
acts of theft and murder cannot be justified under the guise of the
war on drugs or rather the war on freedom in which people who are
NOT drug dealers are beign killed and persecuted by your so -called
drug war.
Why don't you give Sheriff Bill masters a call of San Migul county
here in Coloraod and ask him why he and other cops are opposed to
the drug war to the point that they have formed a group and lobby
agaisnt the drug war. You have a choice you can obey the state like
robot or do soemthing to stop the facism of the drug war and when
you choose to do nothign then as far as we are concerned you are
the problem.
Report a bad copster to who? Another copster? Pull yer f8cking

head out stupid I'm not going to a nazi to report a nazi. I'm going
to file a lawsuit and win 20K and then run to the media. Are you
goign to debate or call me names?
Leave what and go where? This is my country and not yours as you
work for me scumbag. I'm not leaving my country so that you
nazi's can take it over. Nearly every country in the world hates
amerikans thanks to your fellow nazi Bush and so there is no place
to go. It is my responsibility to stay here and defend the free world
from swine like you before your brand of facism spreads thorughout
the free world.
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starsky OK Duncan, you win. I will lower myself to your level one time.
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You are a dumbass!!!
Registered: Sep 2004 Do you really believe what you just spouted off?:confused:
Location: I am not a robot. Or a Nazi, or anything else.
Posts: 208 I have a job to do. I take pride in what I do. I am damn good at it.
People are safer on the streets because of police officers. I do not
expect to win this argument. My opponent for one thing is not fair,
makes no sense more than half the time.(re-read all your posts,
take them to an English teacher. I may have to find a 6 year old to
decipher what the heck your posts state),:confused: ,and you come
unprepared, and unarmed with any kind of knowledge about what
you are talking (spouting).about.
So, go ahead with your hate talk, and your poor English/writing
skills. This is America, the greatest country in the world, and you
are free to spout off the bull**** that you do. I will continue to do
my part in making my part of the world a safe place. Serving with
pride. "To Protect and Serve".
Have a good day.
09-27-2004 11:56 AM
duncan lost the debate i see

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you ignore the facts and switch to ad-hom attacks, thus you lose
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you posted that good or bad you will follow orders and impose the
Posts: 9006 illegal drug war upon the masses. thus you are robot and use the
same old excuse the Eichmann used.
Who are you protecting p8g and can you show me the protection of
kicking in a pot smokers doors in to raid his home?
What if people don't want your protection?
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09-27-2004 12:42 PM
starsky Hey Loser, there never was a debate, therefore I did not lose a
Senior Member debate. I find it difficult to debate someone who does not want to
debate the right way.
Besides, your namecalling and all the hatred puke coming out of
Registered: Sep 2004 your mouth allows me no real competitor in a debate.
Location: You would never guess that cops actually like people like you. It is
Posts: 208
called job security.
I guess when you are ready for a debate, and can do so without
expelling hate, and colorful uses of the English language, I would be
willing to debate. You also come to a debate unarmed, by that I
mean you do not know what the heck you are talking about,
(subject matter). I actually find your posts humorous, but a slap in
the face to public education.
I must admit I have bad days, when things look really bad, and
then, I see losers like you, and think to myself, "Life is not so bad, I
could be like this Jerry Springer Show reject." Living in a trailer
park, smoking generic cigarettes, drinking 40 ouncers, and having
sorry sex with some overweight, tatooed, and toothless chick, (and
her sister,too, maybe), talking to his loser drunk buddies about
crap that just does not matter, thinking about going to sell plasma,
so they can go get another 40 ouncer.
Yeah, I guess my life isn't so bad after all, I could be like you or be
one your loser buddies.
Again, I will be out, protecting my community, Arresting all the bad

guys, and thwarting crime. (sorry if I am using too many big words

for you)
09-27-2004 01:48 PM
duncan lost the debate i see

Moderator
you ignore the facts and switch to ad-hom attacks, thus you lose
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you posted that good or bad you will follow orders and impose the
Posts: 9006 illegal drug war upon the masses. thus you are robot and use the
same old excuse the Eichmann used.
Who are you protecting p8g and can you show me the protection of
kicking in a pot smokers doors in to raid his home?
What if people don't want your protection?
And you will continue to sit around on your fat ass behind a PC
providing little or no service to my community. I have a gun and i
don't need your non-protection and i won't be made to pay for it
either you lazy good for nothgin p8g.
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Again, I will be out ... thwarting crime.
Please post a list of crimes you have thwarted, their locations,

times and names of the protected individual.
You are a cop, a reputable liar. Your word is meaningless. Prove

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PPB8881 AL, you have yet to prove anything you can't even keep your own
Member site open because people figured out what kind of a Jackass
pussyboy you really are. Bitch
Location: CA
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10-02-2004 04:52 AM

GC Marciano Poor little rent-a-piggy, it's gonna be okay. Go bury your head
Copwatcher Extraordinaire in navyfiveo's lap and cry your precious little heart out. It's
good for the soul.
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10-02-2004 05:26 AM
starsky I must admit I have never busted in the door of a pot smoker
Senior Member without a warrant.
Actually, any time I busted in a door,mostly had nothing to do with
marijuana possession.
Location: Where I live, marijuana possession is against the law. '
Posts: 208 My sworn duty is to enforce the laws, all the laws, not just the ones
I agree with.
I did not make the laws, I only enforce them, agreeing with them or
not. It is what I do. I am proud of being a cop.
I look forward to going to work everyday. How many other people

can say that?
10-02-2004 05:40 AM

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My sworn duty is to enforce the laws, all the
laws, not just the ones I agree with.
Also entailed in that meaningless little oath is a duty to defend

the Constitution, which you dutifully violate every day of your
measly career.
Posts: 9967 quote:

I look forward to going to work everyday. How
many other people can say that?
I love my job, in fact there are days that I find myself putting in
12-15 hours just because I'm having such a blast. Of course
you look forward to your job because it is a way for you to
exhert power and control over somebody else, a common trait
among police offficers.
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PPB8881 Alberta loves his Burger King job.

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10-03-2004 05:47 AM
GC Marciano Is the lowly security guard getting desperate?

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PPB8881 NOT REALLY ALBERTA

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10-03-2004 07:22 PM

GC Marciano I think you are. It's obvious because the more desperate you
Copwatcher Extraordinaire become, the more stupid your comments become.
But I'm sure you're a splendid security guard.
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PPB8881 TRAILER TRASH PLEASE. SHUT UP WHORE.

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10-03-2004 08:39 PM
GC Marciano Whore? I thought you said she was a nurse.

Have you ever considered furthering your education to raise the
chances of finding a job? With that GED you'll probably be stuck
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PPB8881 I've got an AA ****head.

Member You're the one with the GED.

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10-04-2004 11:33 PM
duncan The only thing this p8g ever thwarts is freedom and free market
Moderator capitalism.
Registered: Jul 2003 The LAW is the Bill of Rights obey it swine for if you come to kick
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado my door in over something as stupid a joint you will surely die.
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starsky What the heck do I as a cop, have to do with 'free market

Senior Member capitalism?'
If you are worried about captialism, do not vote for Kerry!!

Location: Have a good day, Duncan
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10-05-2004 04:45 PM
duncan What the heck do I as a cop, have to do with 'free market

Moderator capitalism?'
Registered: Jul 2003 Nothing and this is the point stupid.

Posts: 9006 If you support freedom then don't vote for Bush or Kerry.
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starsky Duncan, wait a minute. I do contribute some to capitalism as a cop.

Senior Member I arrest a guy, (deprive him of freedom) he has to pay bond or bail
to get out, go to court, pay court costs and fines, which all in turn
allows the govenment to buy and pay for services needed for the
Registered: Sep 2004 courts, sheriff's department, police department, so several people,
Location: or companies make money to spend it on their needs therefore all
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kinds of money in the economy, thence, captialism.
Not to mention towing the poor guy's car, which the towing
company charges both him and the city/county for towing the
vehicle, plus charging the arrestee for storage. You are wrong!.
I was wrong! I do contribute to capitalism.
What a country!!
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duncan yer commie you live off of taxation.

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in a free market economy people choose which services they want
Registered: Jul 2003 and no one chose your worthless service.
Posts: 9006 you contribute nothing you are a nothing
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starsky No commie here!! Proud citizen of the greatest country in the world.
Senior Member Doing what I can to make this world a safer place.
America!! Love it or leave it!

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10-06-2004 10:05 AM

duncan So I take you became a cop because you aren't to bright?

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In a free soceity people are allowed to choose which services thye
Registered: Jul 2003 want and and don't want. In your facist society people have no
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado choices. The greatest facist state in the world the US of Amerika.
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Good thing I own a gun to defend myself from nazi's like you.
Safety is a gun and not a nazi like you.
Freedom love it or die for trying to destroy it.
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10-06-2004 12:44 PM
starsky Actually, Duncan, look at all of your posts, and look at mine. I
Senior Member encourage all who read this to do the same. Look at the spelling
errors, annunciation errors, the butchering of the Enlish language,
and all other grammatical errors on yours, then on mine, and we
Registered: Sep 2004 will know who the one 'not to bright' is. ( by the way, you used the
Location: wrong to, it should be too).
Posts: 208
I never have said that this country is perfect, the government is

perfect, or the courts are perfect, but it is still better here than
anywhere else in the world. There is no where else on this Earth I
would rather live than here, in the greatest country in the world.

10-06-2004 05:34 PM
starsky Oh, yeah, I became a cop so I could meet interesting people like
Senior Member you.

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10-06-2004 05:36 PM
Texastwister1 Starsky, I dont think the copwatch master (Duncan) likes you very
Senior Member much.

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10-06-2004 05:36 PM
duncan We have looked at your posts and you seem unable to form an
Moderator intelligent thought.
Registered: Jul 2003 Can you show us the protection?

Posts: 9006 Why should we be taxed for your worhtlessness?
Are these questions to difficult for you to answer?
Enlish
snicker
but it is still better here than anywhere else in the world.
prove it stupid, you sound like a ignorant red neck when you make
stupid posts like this, oh but wait you are a stupid redneck.
logic and reasoning are not your forte are they?
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Starsky, I dont think the copwatch master
Registered: Sep 2004 (Duncan) likes you very much.
Location:
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I have that affect on people at times.

I am not sure, but he may not like cops, judging from his
comments.
I do not expect to lose sleep over Duncan's feelings for me.

I am actually a very likeable guy.
10-07-2004 02:58 AM
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I am actually a very likeable guy.
Yeah, the guys down at the bar are all over him.
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Yeah, the guys down at the bar are all over him.
Location:
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How typical! Are you jealous???
10-07-2004 11:24 AM
duncan but he spends his entire evenings posting on our forum and my
Moderator strings
Registered: Jul 2003 it is called obsession

Posts: 9006 I gotcha
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but he spends his entire evenings posting on our
Registered: Sep 2004 forum and my strings
Location:
Posts: 208 it is called obsession
I gotcha
No, if you check with an earlier post, my reason for being here is
because ignorant people facinate me.
When I read posts from you, it reminds me of a few things.
1. Public Schools have failed miserably.
2. There are all kinds of people on this Earth.
3. That there is still hope that something may change Ducan's
thought process
4. Comic Relief is necessary in a cop's life,(definitely get it here)
5. There is still hope for you.
6. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
7.That God had a sense of humor when he made some people.
Finally, I am so glad to live in the greatest country in the world,
where people from all backgrounds, and opinions can get together
and discuss things in a nice forum, glad to be a policeman, serving
and protecting, because MOST people are glad there are brave men
like me, and other cops to keep them safe from the bad guys.
God Bless America
10-07-2004 04:32 PM
duncan So who did starsky serve and protect today or for that matter ever?
Moderator
No one but himself.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Can you show us the service p8g. I just dont' see it in any of your
Posts: 9006 posts and all i see you doing is posting ignorant crap due to a poor
public education.
Is this an admission that public schools don't work thus another

thing which you are apart of which is not providing people with a
servcie? The state simply takes our money to feed the fat faces of
parasites like you?
I wonder how may stupid p8gs have tried to shut down our
privately owned forum and at our expense while they were sitting
on their fat asses at the station house?

This p8g ain't to bright.
Whats so great about living in a police state were swine like you do
nothing but f8ck with tax payers by invading their privately owned
forums and posting lies? Show me.
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10-08-2004 03:24 AM
starsky No, I am saying you were not taught much, as far as English, and
Senior Member grammar goes.
I worked tonite, took a shoplifter to jail. wrote 3 tickets, and

Registered: Sep 2004 watched a guy resisting arrest get tased.
Location:
Posts: 208 All in all a good night.
Talk to ya soon, Duncan.
10-08-2004 06:30 AM

starsky Oh yeah, God Bless America, the greatest country in the world.
Senior Member

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10-08-2004 06:32 AM
duncan If Hitler were running for prez and he was a repukelican you would
Moderator vote for the nazi.
Registered: Jul 2003 Yer right yer public education didn't teach you much as you have no
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado ability to reason or think critically. This is why my posts are way
Posts: 9006 over your head.
Can you show us the protection and why should we be made to pay
for it?
You have yet answer these simple questions and why is that? It
must be that public education you got.
You sent a guy to jial for what? Stealing a candy bar? Wow and now
we must be taxed to house this guy for stealing a candy bar and
the tax will cost more than what ever it is that he stole. I just don't
see the protection here. No names or dates means nothing to us
you are probably lying.
Did you recover the property?
Is this guy going to make resitution or just sit in jail to do nothing

but waste tax dollars?
Were is the service here?
They guy getting tasered will probably sue and win an award and so
how is this a service to my community? How is the torture of a
human being with a tazer gun a service to me? The guy wasn't
attacking me he wasn't, attacking my family and if he was attacking
yer fellow swine then maybe it was becuase they provoked him into
doing so.
Three ticket in which you f8cked three people out of there money
and over what? Spitting on the side walk?
I don't see the serve and protect here stupid, oh that's right you
are after all a product of the public schools and can't think for your
self as you need some SGT. to do it for you and he needs an LT to
think for him.
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starsky Wow, you are a f@cking genius!!!

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Everything you said, happened, or is going to happen.
Registered: Sep 2004 Wow. you really know how it all works.
Location:
Posts: 208 It just hit me. You are so right.
I think I will resign my position today.
Thanks for the awakening.
10-08-2004 12:26 PM
Matt1 Duncan, if you are a product of a private education I am glad I

Senior Member went to public schools. You have to be one of the most ignorant
people I have ever talked to.
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Duncan, if you are a product of a private
Registered: Sep 2004 education I am glad I went to public schools. You
Location: have to be one of the most ignorant people I have
Posts: 208 ever talked to.
Hey Matt, Thanks for the back-up.
10-08-2004 06:10 PM
Texastwister1 You guys need to show a little respect here. Duncan is a copwatch
Senior Member moderator. I have said this before. If push comes to shove the
owners of our forum are going to back its moderators.
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duncan All you need to be a copster is a GED.

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10-09-2004 03:13 AM
duncan yea he needs it becuase he can't do it alone and he can't think for
Moderator himself
Registered: Jul 2003 copsters like criminal gangs work in packs

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Senior Member
Originally posted by GOD COP
Registered: Feb 2004 Not only a G.E.D. but you need to be able to spell
Location: most words!
Posts: 1818
Which would explain why Duncan was never hired as an officer.
10-09-2004 03:21 PM
duncan And the reason you are a copster is because you have a GED and
Moderator can't think for your self.
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10-09-2004 04:08 PM

Exterminator The CG gave duncan the GED because he was a good swabby
Senior Member cleaning the head 24X7, may tagging for the crew, spit shinning
those shoes and brass of his ship"mates" for inspection, making all
Registered: Apr 2004 those bunks and any menial task that duncan was capable of
Location: completing due to his overall illiteracy and I.Q. of 68! His was a
Posts: 400
boarderline passing grade that's just enough for him to make an
"X" on his SSI Diability check not much more. He'll never author
scholarly tomes!
10-10-2004 09:35 PM
starsky quote:
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a cop would never face someone like a man [/B]
Location:
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Yeah, right. You are the one without the balls to face a cop man to
man. That is why you spew your crap here.
That is one reason you are 'one of them' not ,'one of us!
10-11-2004 11:23 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Yeah, right. You are the one without the balls
to face a cop man to man. That is why you
spew your crap here.
I notice you are here spewing your crap also. I suppose that is
because you don't have the balls to face a real working-class
man. Instead you hide behind an anonymous alias like a
Posts: 9967 worthless coward. Go get a job you tax-mooching retard.
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10-11-2004 11:30 AM
starsky Hey, you guys wanted cops, some of us are here. If you do not like
Senior Member what you get from us, (since we all know we are of superior
intellect), too bad, I guess.
Registered: Sep 2004 At least any 'crap' I am spewing is spelled right, and makes more
Location: sense than what you guys spew.
Posts: 208
And I have a job, one of the greatest in the world. I am a cop.
I get to meet interesting people like you and Rocket Scientist

Duncan.
10-11-2004 11:44 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Hey, you guys wanted cops, some of us are
here.
Where do you get that idea? Nobody wants you worthless

pieces of dog shit for anything more than comic refief. Go get a
real job, dumbass.
Posts: 9967
I shouldn't knock cops too bad though. Where else can an
uneducated moron with the IQ of a rat turd make a paycheck?
Take the coward moron hiding behind the name "starsky" for
instance...
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10-11-2004 12:48 PM
duncan "Hey, you guys wanted cops, some of us are here. If you do not like
Moderator what you get from us, (since we all know we are of superior
intellect), too bad, I guess."
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Where did we ask you to come here and bother us parasite? Yer
Posts: 9006 here becuase one you don't work and two you hate free speech.
"At least any 'crap' I am spewing is spelled right, and makes more
sense than what you guys spew."
Is 'crap' a proper word stupid? nope. All you post is crap cop.
"And I have a job, one of the greatest in the world. I am a cop."
Yer a human parasite and a selfish socialist p8g who hate freedom.
"Yeah, right. You are the one without the balls to face a cop man to
man. That is why you spew your crap here.'
Just post an address and I'll be right over with my back up.
Hey termite inspector i had real fun telling one of your cronies to
suck me off.
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10-11-2004 01:03 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 I shouldn't knock cops too bad though. Where
Location: else can an uneducated moron with the IQ of a
Posts: 1818 rat turd make a paycheck?
At Neonlaw and as a paralegal with Duncan.
10-11-2004 07:13 PM
GC Marciano Nice try. Everybody with the exception of the administrative

Copwatcher Extraordinaire assistant at Neonlaw has a minimum 4 year college education.
What are the education requirements to be hired as a police

officer? Do they demand more than a GED yet?
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10-11-2004 10:32 PM

duncan If we had education requirements to post on copwatch this dipsh*t

Moderator matt the thug would have never made it.
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10-11-2004 11:37 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 Nice try. Everybody with the exception of the
Location: administrative assistant at Neonlaw has a
Posts: 1818 minimum 4 year college education.
So are saying it is required to have a 4 year degree to work at your

business?
When did you start Neonlaw?
10-11-2004 11:45 PM

duncan So are saying it is required to have a 4 year degree to work

Moderator at your business?
Registered: Jul 2003 No, he is saying that you only need a GED to become a tax
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado consuming swine that never works for his money.
Posts: 9006
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10-11-2004 11:47 PM
Matt1 Al is a big boy Duncan, let him answer for himself. Besides, that is
Senior Member not the question I asked.

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10-12-2004 08:58 AM
duncan Do we care what you want Mr. GED?

Moderator
No and if you don't like our forum p*g then you are free to leave.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado So what is the name of your department Mr. Incredible?
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10-12-2004 12:36 PM
Texastwister1 Com' on Matt. Just tell us where you work.

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We just want to get to know who were talking to on OUR forum.
Registered: May 2004 Just like one big happy family.
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Matt1 Never going to happen.

Senior Member
I love making you guys dance to my tune. Just call me the puppet
Registered: Feb 2004 master.
Location:
Posts: 1818 Damn, I always thought you guys sounded stupid saying that. Now
I know you must feel stupid saying it as well.
10-12-2004 06:44 PM
Texastwister1 Sorry Matt, Al is the one and only puppetmaster. Watch out buddy.
Senior Member You dont want to get on the puppetmasters sh8t list.

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10-12-2004 06:51 PM
Matt1 I don't think I will lose any sleep over it.

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10-12-2004 06:59 PM
duncan No name no credibility.

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10-12-2004 10:59 PM
PPB8881
Member FUK THE PUPPETMASTER Alberta's a nerd b!tch.

Location: CA PPB
Posts: 590 USMC:sniper:
12-07-2004 04:01 PM
GC Marciano Get back to protecting the gas station, you nutless cunt.
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01-01-2005 10:34 PM

PPB8881 Go back to prison where you belong whore.

Member
:beat:
Location: CA
Posts: 590
PPB
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01-01-2005 10:52 PM
GC Marciano Make me, you ape-looking pussy.

Now go protect the gas, moron.
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01-01-2005 11:30 PM
PPB8881 HEY ALBISHA IF I WANTED YOU'RE ASS IN PRISON YOU'D BE IN

Member PRISON. I HAVE TO MUCH FUN MESSING WITH YOU WHILE YOUR
FREE. " MASTER OF PUPPETS I'M PULLING YOUR STRINGS AS AL
Registered: Jun 2004 YELLS PPB YOU'RE MY MASTER PLEASE DON'T BEAT ME ANYMORE"
Location: CA
Posts: 590
PPB
AL'S MASTER
01-01-2005 11:41 PM

GC Marciano quote:
IF I WANTED YOU'RE ASS IN PRISON YOU'D
BE IN PRISON.
Now that is some funny stuff! Your stupid ass can't even
get a real job!

Location: Chicago, Illinois Hurry and respond with your trademark lies. We're waiting.
Posts: 9967
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01-02-2005 12:03 AM
PPB8881 HEY SH!THEAD,

Member YOU STILL HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING REAL IN ALMOST 2900
POSTS, GET A CLUE CONVICT YOU CAN'T BEAT ME I'VE ALREADY
Registered: Jun 2004 WON THIS BATTLE OVER AND OVER. YOU ASKED ME TO POST MY
Location: CA NAME I DID, YOU ASKED ME TO POST MY WAGE I DID I EVEN
Posts: 590
TOLD YOUR ASS WHAT CITY I WORK IN AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T
DONE THE SAME. DON'T YOU THINK I'TS TIME TO PUT UP OR KILL
YOURSELF ALBERTA? OH YEAH I LIVE IN DIXON CALIFORNIA.
PUT YOUR MONEY OH YEAH YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB NEVER MIND.
PPB
USMC:sniper:

01-03-2005 10:59 AM
GC Marciano Shut your dicksucker ya cowardly little retard.

You're just a lying piece of shit security guard without the
brains or education it takes to get a real job.
I don't fault you for feeling so worthless and insignificant. If I

was a fatass monkey-looking dork without a real job I'd feel
pretty worthless too.

Posts: 9967
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01-03-2005 01:12 PM
PPB8881 No ALberta you're a short dumpy looking unemployed felon.

Member I feel great I have no issues.

Location: CA PPB
01-03-2005 04:30 PM

GC Marciano I understand how jealous you are, with me owning and

Copwatcher Extraordinaire operating a highly lucrative business while you sit there like a
dropout moron, stuck in a go-nowhere job as a worthless,
insignificant security guard...
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Location: Chicago, Illinois officer, this effect is the result of the Officer's crimes. We agree with the
Posts: 9967 state that the right to be free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment
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01-03-2005 07:33 PM
PPB8881 PROVE IT ALBERTA YOU DON'T HAVE SH!T PUT UP OR SHUT UP

Member LITTLE MAN

Location: CA PPB
01-03-2005 08:49 PM
Mad Abe quote:

?????
Registered: Jan 2005 HEY SH!THEAD,
Location: Western hemisphere YOU STILL HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING REAL IN
Posts: 833 ALMOST 2900
POSTS, GET A CLUE CONVICT YOU CAN'T BEAT ME
I'VE ALREADY WON THIS BATTLE OVER AND
OVER. YOU ASKED ME TO POST MY NAME I DID,
YOU ASKED ME TO POST MY WAGE I DID I EVEN
TOLD YOUR ASS WHAT CITY I WORK IN AND YOU
STILL HAVEN'T DONE THE SAME. DON'T YOU
THINK I'TS TIME TO PUT UP OR KILL YOURSELF
ALBERTA? OH YEAH I LIVE IN DIXON
CALIFORNIA.

PUT YOUR MONEY OH YEAH YOU DON'T HAVE A

JOB NEVER MIND.
PPB
USMC:sniper:
You live in kalifornia!
With the kinds of taxes there working as a security guard must

make about as must money as a decorator in sudan!
01-03-2005 10:28 PM
GC Marciano A security guard... thats hilarious! Careful, he'll throw his

Copwatcher Extraordinaire flashlight at you!
Go protect the gas pumps you jobless fuck.
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Posts: 9967 state that the right to be free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment
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01-04-2005 10:06 AM

PPB8881 53K not bad for a jobless fuk huh Al I still haven't seen any proof
Member from you. Oh yeah I never will because everything your say on here
is bullsh!t.
Location: CA
Posts: 590 PPB
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01-04-2005 10:48 AM
PPB8881 Hey Abe question for you buddy. Don't you find it at all funny that
Member Albert can't produce any real proof of anything? All he has done
since I got here was challenge everyone else to post real
Registered: Jun 2004 info but won't post anything about his real situation. Ask your self
Location: CA this next time you start with me are you willing to post your real
Posts: 590
name here? What about where you work and how much you make
a year? Put up or shut up buddy the balls in your court.
PPB
USMC:sniper:
01-04-2005 10:53 AM
GC Marciano More desperate lies from the cowardly, retarded security

Copwatcher Extraordinaire guard.
• I have posted my full name.
• I have posted my date of birth.
• I have posted my place of birth.
• I have posted my physical description.

Location: Chicago, Illinois • I have posted multiple photo's of myself.
Posts: 9967
• I have posted my home address.
• I have posted my PO Box mailing address.
• I have posted a detailed map to my residence.
• I have posted the name of my business.
• I have posted the nature of my business.
• I have posted the location of my business.

• I have posted 2 telephone numbers that I can be reached at.
• I have posted my criminal history, complete with IDOC

information.
quote:
Originally posted by PPBitch

Put up or shut up buddy the balls in your court.
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PPB8881 And you're one UGLY MOTHERFUKER TOO.

Member

Location: CA
Posts: 590
PPB
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01-05-2005 12:06 PM
GC Marciano I was never trying to impress you, fag.

coward.
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Posts: 9967
committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of fundamental right
contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois Supreme Court
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01-06-2005 11:47 AM

PPB8881 GO FUK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PILE OF SH!T.

Member YOU WOULDN'T TALK SO TOUGH IF YOU WERE STANDING BEFORE
ME, YOUR MASTER.
Location: CA
Posts: 590 PPB
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01-06-2005 05:32 PM
GC Marciano
Copwatcher Extraordinaire coward.
Just because your mother fucks every military cock that comes into
town doesn't mean you are a badass, it simply means your mother
is a whore. Now go protect the gas pumps, you uneducated pussy.
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01-07-2005 12:25 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 I wouldn't ban them.
Location:
Posts: 2869 Any post that includes ad-hom attacks place in an ad-
hom attack string for copsters who post them.
Any time a copster is caught lying on the forum place

the lie in a copster lie string.
Any time a copster is caught playing these spych

warfare games of deciet and distraction which only
serves to waste time then dlete teh crap.
In fact I would appreciate it if you would delete

matt1's post on my Coast Guard string. My CG string

is there to show people about my personal
experiences in the CG and how wasteful the fed is
and how the drug war is a violation of our civil rights
and also a big fat waste of time and money.
We all know why copsters come here and it has

nothing to od with civil discource. they coem here to
control by measn of lying and deception.
This guy matt1 makes at least 50 posts a day and

has nothing to say. It is either an ad-hom attack.
Some story that can't be verified or an attempt to
control the questiuons people have about copsters
thru lies.
When and where has the guy posted a fact and then
tried to back up a postion with any facts? In fact
where has he posted a postion?
I would take every one of his post and that of the

other two clowns and place them in string all thier
own for people to see the lies, the name calling, the
threats, the false logic and the lack of any debate.
Im new here. My thoughts shouldnt count to much, but I tend to go

with Ducan on this one. I think a good forumn has guts and heart.
When people go out of their way to lie, use fake logic, and or mona/
birdie/jello bull crap their way through the posts it makes a mockery of
the whole thing. They should be held accountable.
Also I think you should be able to swear say **** instead of

f u c k.
I dont really swear and I dont use the little picture things, but why
censor the word **** I mean f u c k
01-07-2005 01:32 AM

PPB8881 ALBITCHA,
Member I already told you about my mamma she was in the airforce stupid you
can't really do much fuking from the air. Now for you
Registered: Jun 2004 don't be mad because your parents left 5 minutes after you're
Location: CA
Posts: 590
mom **** you out ya fukin butthole baby
Soon I'll be in Chicago I'll bring my video camera so I can videotape

you on your knees begging me not to kick your
bitch ass. IF YOU SHOW UP I KNOW YOU WON'T THOUGH BECAUSE
YOU'RE A FU CKIN PUNK BITCH PUSSYBOY TELL THE TRUTH AL YOU
DON'T REALLY OWN
A BUSINESS YOU JUST PUT UP FAKE WEB SITES TO MAKE YOURSELF
LOOK GOOD. NOW SHUT THE HELL UP BEFORE I SLAP THE WHITE OFF
YOU LITTLE GIRLIE MAN.
PPB
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01-07-2005 11:18 AM
birdie That would apply to you as well XT with your illogical conspiracy posts.
Lets face it, this is a private website and the owners can do whatever
Registered: Nov 2004 they want. For now they appear to enjoy the chaos going on because
Location: they are business people who know that people are drawn to
Posts: 331 controversy and Jerry Springer type stuff. Some may set back and
state they think it is rubbish and so on but I bet money they still check
out the post to see who trashed who and what the next response was.
Funny is just funny no matter what.
It would appear the owners are sticking by their position of an open

site regardless of the debates. In one way that brings them problems,
in another, it brings them members. If copwatch wants a site similar to
police sites where discussion can be limited they can certainly have
one. Even some officer sites are beginning to see that more open
discussions and even so called trolls have a benefit to drawing in a
crowd. Everyone likes to watch a good fight and I believe most all of us
at sometime or another have watched a Jerry Springer type show just
for the fun of it. A website needs hits and members to stay popular.
01-07-2005 02:44 PM

xtratabasco [QUOTE]Originally posted by birdie

Senior Member [B]That would apply to you as well XT with your illogical conspiracy
posts.
Location:
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Location:
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quote: Matt1
What are you dying from?
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pancreatic cancer. I spell like ****, sorry. Family gave me a computer

several months ago, guess they thought it would entertain me. Looks
like it has. This time I am honestly telling the truth. Trust me, I have
nothing to lose.
Rosie
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Location:
Posts: 179
To Mack & Mods
You have my IP address, ban me from the site. It is time for me to go. I
will not respond to any comments members make to this request. Please
complete the ban process as soon as possible. Thank you.
Ban the following names: Abagail, Mona, Pastor, Rosie
Thanks.
monaliveson
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Registered: Oct 2004

Location:
Posts: 558
cyberstalking-treatment & support
http://www.cyber-stalking.net
Good information on laws, treatment, victim support.
Rosie
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Posts: 179

Any Thoughts?
To whoever may wish me dead or off this site.
To the owners and mods: I want to sign on as Mona, I have learned

more about both sides than I knew. Ban me if you want, decline my
request if you want...but we can have fun and meaningful
conversations. I think we all may have learned a few things here. And to
Navigator...I did report the post as well as others
Rosie
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Location:
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Lets not get mean Al. I may be fat but I give a damn good BJ. Very
deep. I am also pretty, great lips and you may be surprised so I will
bend over...enjoy.
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Ok.......anyone........I got into a conversation with someone PR...........it
is serious......you won't believe this.......this is not a drama move.......if
I call local police there will be nothing they can do.........bye the way Al,
Duncan, Tex and mods/owner........yes....I was raped.........by a
cop.......there you have it.....why I am here......you wanted the truth.....
you have it........the cop still is on duty.......I am still harassed.......I
have tried to figure out if your site is for real so I have played devils
advocate.........hate me, call me names......I don't care.........just help
me NOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Pastor
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I just love this site. And no matter what, I will be back under whatever
name necessary. The owners should be happy I am directing people
here.
Pastor
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I am sure they have, but cops and cop lovers would just come in and
destroy it because they can't follow even the simplest rules.
Like Mona, for instance. She admits to posting under several different
names, in blatant violation of the Copwatch Forums rules.
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Blah Blah Blah. Who on the internet posts under their real name? No site
requires that, not even this one.
birdie
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Why are you here Mona?
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You can officially call be Abby.
birdie
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My, new funny little members just popping up everywhere.
Seems the site has lost its vision. Who are these people and what
happend to this thread. And you all thought I had mulitple personalities.
jello
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
quote:
I am jello and obviously someone here is very desparate and threatened

by unregistered posters. Its a website.....get over yourself already. As
for the others.....sounds like you have a troll problem. Whatever.....I am
jello and mona just keeps imitating me and using my name. she is a
troll and a whacknut.....get lost mona no one wants you here
anymore.....
So did someone have a topic to discuss?

Unregistered
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
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You do seem to attract quite a few fruitcakes. My 10 year old can post
better than some of you can. Your website can be reported to your ISP
for certain kinds of behavior. Thank you. Jello
Jello
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I will report you all. And by the way, Im not Mona, Im a man.
I have bigger balls then all of you. Who is this Mona? You all must love
her. I would like to talk to her. I am happily married, but I would like to
meet her.
monaliveson
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I have never sent an email to all mods saying I was going to shut down
anything.
monaliveson
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Re: shessss backkkkkk
You boys just can't get enough of me can you? You won't ignore me,
you have not put me in the pen, you have not banned me and you
continue to respond to anything and everything I post. Oh.......I feel the
love.........it is so warm and special. What will you do without me when I
finally leave the site.........yes my dears.....this can only go on so
long.....sorry to break your adoring hearts.......kisses and hugs.
Unregistered
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A

Re: to mona, I mean jello brain
quote:
This is getting quite interesting. So several of you here think I am

someone called Mona. So where do I read about this mona person. I
happen to be male, married.
jello
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Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
Were you there to see it? No you wernt. You werent there.....you dont
know.....a plane was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the
pentagon killing all those poor innocent people on it. Dont you people
have a heart...dont you have a soul....dont you even have the on
decency to mourn the loss of all those poor people killed by the evil
terrorists????
I hope all of you die in a plane crash and nobody cries for any of you......
that would be true poetic justice!!
jello
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
Duncan Mr Moderator......I dont care what you reported to who.....Mr
Moderator himself. You cant even get rid of me.
And Im not mona........Im somebody else who you dont know!
Unregistered
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
I suggest you listen to your attorney...carefully. As we all know...you
never know who you may be dealing with on the internet.
Jello
Jello
Guest
Registered: Not Yet

Location:
Posts: N/A
I AM NOT MONA!
YOU MUST BELIEVE ME!
I AM JELLO AND I HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SAY!

I saw some of the things Mona said and you made fun of her.
I believe the things Mona says here at this site are true.
Come back Mona.
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let mona/jello/birdie/pastor/abby speak
As for the pentagon......It probably was a missle fired in mistake by us.
Now if you care to rephase your response in a manner that I can

understand your rebuttle.
yes....I was raped.........by a cop.......there you have it.....why I am

here......you wanted the truth.....you have it........the cop still is on
duty.......I am still harassed.......I have tried to figure out if your site is
for real so I have played devils advocate.........hate me, call me
names......I don't care.........just help me NOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
don't you think there is a little difference between my telling my wife "of
course your tuna dish is good" and "I have never seen that woman in
my life, honest".
Some lies can be forgiven and even understood at times, others......

cannot.
If you want to make a difference then express yourself as adults. Good

luck
I tend to look for the best in people and hope you have something inside
you. If not....let the games begin. You have no idea what you are in
for... be careful what you wish for...........
Everyone in this country loves freedom,
I just used different usernames.
I am just a silly citizen playing on the computer waiting to die.
Your not scientists.....
Were you there to see it? No you wernt.
a plane was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the pentagon killing
all those poor innocent people on it. Dont you people have a heart...dont
you have a soul....
I hope all of you die in a plane crash and nobody cries for any of you......
that would be true poetic justice!!
Im somebody else who you dont know!
You cant even get rid of me.

The kind of behavior you display is that of a 6 year old.
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LMAO rosie/mona/birdie/pastor/abigail/jello
LMAO mona/birdie/pastor/Abigal/jello
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01-07-2005 03:36 PM
birdie Thats the best comeback you have XT? Some of those posts I made
and some I did not. You are becoming like Duncan and Tex with silly
Registered: Nov 2004 responses because you are speechless and have no intelligent
Location: response. Did you ever wonder if certain posts I made on purpose?
Posts: 331 Some things draw certain things from people including emails, posts,
information. You would be surprised how a change in personality can
generate different things. It is interesting to watch.
Even you are are still responding to me. Do you know why? Because I
am addiciting and you want to see what avenue I will take next. Have
you ever been abused by a police officer XT? Have you ever been an
informant? Have you ever witnessed a serious crime? Have you ever
seen a dead person, seconds after death? Have you ever been
physically abused?
01-07-2005 04:59 PM
duncan Thats the best comeback you have mona? Some of those posts you
Moderator made and some you did not. You are becoming like god slop with silly
responses because you are speechless and have no intelligent
Registered: Jul 2003 response. Did you ever wonder if certain posts I made on purpose?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Some things draw certain things from people including emails, posts,
Posts: 9006
information. You would be surprised how a change in personality can
generate different things. It is interesting to watch a dumb bitch like
you rant.
Even you are are still responding to me mona. Do you know why?
Because you are addicited and you want to see what avenue I will take
next. Have you ever been abused by a police officer mona? Have you
ever been an informant mona? Have you ever witnessed a serious
crime mona? Have you ever seen a dead person, seconds after death
mona? Have you ever been physically abused mona? Probalby none of
the above you simply love copster for no other reason than you are a
lonely little bitch who is seeking attention.

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01-07-2005 07:24 PM
L.E. Hero Typical.

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11-13-2005 08:51 PM
The Chief Mack, if the pro-cops on here are overly offensive, then A. Shemonia is
Senior Member the devil.
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11-15-2005 04:05 AM
Texastwister1 Al is the puppetmaster. He makes you coppers look like fools with
Senior Member every reply.

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duncan Hit the road p8g, if you don't like our forum.
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11-15-2005 05:55 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Al is the puppetmaster. He makes you coppers
look like fools with every reply.
1) They make themselves look like fools with every reply, my

assistance is not necessary.
Registered: Jul 2003 2) You swine don't count. You're not welcome here so nobody cares
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if you're offended.
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11-15-2005 06:17 PM
The Chief Yeah, we're not welcome here...

Senior Member
Yet you have an ask a cop section...
Sounds a little contradicting to me

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11-15-2005 07:37 PM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by The Chief
Registered: Jul 2004 Yeah, we're not welcome here...
Location:
Posts: 2869 Yet you have an ask a cop section...
It dont really matter what you think here.
11-15-2005 07:47 PM
The Chief Ok, same goes for you then.

Senior Member
Without us cops on here, all you guys would do would be "Nice post"
"fuc-k dem piqs"
"uhh false arrest"
Location: You can't always agree on here, you thrive on argument.
Posts: 283 Oh, and we're not going anywhere soon, so don't worry.
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11-16-2005 05:54 AM
countess Not going anywhere...

Member
You will fuk up sooner, rather than later, as evidenced by your

Registered: Dec 2003 arrogant attitude here. You will lie in the wrong trial or fuk with the
Location:
Posts: 75 wrong citizen. You will then end up where you belong, with all the
other felonious pieces of garbage, locked up. You exhibit the typical
arrogance and educational level of most of your LE buddies. In other
words, fuk you, you stupid, low life, piece of human waste. Now go buy
a couple dozen donuts for your shift!
11-16-2005 05:12 PM
The Chief Re: Not going anywhere...

Senior Member
By not going anywhere, I meant the forums. But I suppose you could
say the same for the police.
Registered: Nov 2005 As for an arogant attitude on here, that's since me and LE Hero are
Location: better than all of you, with far higher educations. When you can walk
Posts: 283
the walk, feel free to talk the talk
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SAM SLUG The Chief

Member
You must have gotten your education by mail.

Location: Quartzsite, AZ You forgot something when you walk the walk and talk the talk
Posts: 26
and HIDE BEHIND YOUR GUN.
11-17-2005 12:54 AM
The Chief Actually it was the same 4 year university a lot of your doctors and
Senior Member lawyers go to.
As for the gun, I don't always carry it. And most definitely don't
hide behind it, since I hide it.
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You have it
11-17-2005 01:13 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 Yeah, we're not welcome here...
Location:
Posts: 2869 Yet you have an ask a cop section...
This aint your website.....

so fucq off
11-17-2005 01:19 AM
The Chief And it's not your's either.

Senior Member
So ditto back to you
And really, there is a cop section. So we are welcome here.

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11-17-2005 01:26 AM
SAM SLUG The chief

Member
I think that you missed some spelling classes. Were you the janitor
Registered: Oct 2005 at the college?
Location: Quartzsite, AZ
Posts: 26 I guess your college was the University of Manila mail order
degrees.
ALL COPS ARE DIRTY!!!
www.kingcountycrooks.150m.com
11-17-2005 01:48 AM

The Chief quote:

Senior Member
Actually it was the same 4 year university a lot of
your doctors and lawyers go to.
Location: As for the gun, I don't always carry it. And most
Posts: 283 definitely don't hide behind it, since I hide it.
That is all spelled correctly. As for schooling, try the University of

Madison Wisconsin. I'd like to hear what profession you claim to be
in? And how long you went to school?
Go ahead, BS to me that you're a doctor or teacher. Something that

might earn a little respect from people. Or did you even graduate
high school?
Seeing as an educated person would know not even 10% of cops

are dirty, I'm guessing you're not educated.
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11-17-2005 01:57 AM
SAM SLUG The chief

Member
Like I said your as dumb as a post.

Location: Quartzsite, AZ
Posts: 26 All cops are dirty!!!!
11-17-2005 02:01 AM

The Chief And in saying that, you admit to being un-educated. Thanks for
Senior Member helping me prove my point, I love it when you guys on here do that.
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11-17-2005 02:18 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 Mack, if the pro-cops on here are overly offensive,
Location: then A. Shemonia is the devil.
Posts: 2869
Police Chaplin huh?
melt
Senior Member
Location: Now Golfing in Sunny Charleston SC and writing my
future award winning novel
Posts: 188
Greetings I was the victim of Chicago Police Misconduct I was
recently falsely arrested, tortured, beat and verbally abused by
Officer Alvarez of the 24th District Chicago IL. The married Officer
Alvarez was having an affair with my girlfriend and the two of them
set me up on 1/27/05. The bogus charges against me were dropped
and the OPS of Chicago is conducting an Internal Affairs
investigation. I decided to join this site and encourage all of those
who are victims of police misconduct, and those people who are
just fed up with police corruption going unpunished, to do the
following.
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...54403#post54403
quote:Originally posted by The Chief

Unless for some reason the cop is havign sex with her on duty, he's
not breakign any laws.
Your wife came to her senses, she left a cop-hater and, sleeps with
a cop.

Good girl
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 153
Key word here "former". He isn't a cop anymore for a reason, so,
he's an average @sshole joe like yourself.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 153
And I bet that chick is a great lay, too bad we got her now
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 151
But every call the PD gets has to be taken seriously.

The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 151
I'm guessign you're talking about Terri Schiavo. I agree she

should've died. What more of a waste of money is that.

It's not without evidence totally, it's reasonable suspicion. What is
reasonable? That up to the arresting officer to determine. I make
arrests without evidence all the time.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 149
Cops don't work... they just drive around all day cause they want
too, they pull people over at will for speeding, and collect the city
money for no reason whatsoever.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 153
I can't wait for the day you just have an accident, sticking up for
your so called rights dumbcan. "I'll carry an uzi to the PD, you
gonna stop me piq???"
One shot inbetween your eyes. That'll fix your views right up.

The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 148
What do you know, the gun ban passed. Great news.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 152
Yeah duncan, glad to see your bltch ass posting in it.

I am christian, not Catholic. In the days Jesus was on earth to
preach god's laws, there weren't feeding tubes and ventaliators.
I see it as letting nature run it's course. I'm in training right now to
become a Police Chaplain, a very rewarding job.
You are a phoney christian, a hypocrit. You aid and abet child
molesters and murders, you are the worst of the sinners. You steal
from hard working people and take freedom from innocent people.
You lie and take innocent people to prison and jail. You hurt old
people and kill others. You are a traitor to this country.
go fuqk yourself you anti-freedom Nazi.

11-17-2005 02:59 AM
The Chief You're canned responses show you don't read any of the posts on
Senior Member the forums. At least look at what's going on before posting Xtra, it
makes you look stupid to say the same thing over and over again.
The 5th time I saw his response, it's boring, I know what I wrote.
Location: __________________
Posts: 283
You have it
11-17-2005 05:29 AM
xtratabasco quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2004 You're canned responses show you don't read any
Location: of the posts on the forums. At least look at what's
Posts: 2869 going on before posting Xtra, it makes you look
stupid to say the same thing over and over again.
The 5th time I saw his response, it's boring, I

know what I wrote.
dont be bored piq fucq
just want to give everyone a chance to see how you are a worthless
hypocrit with your own kind of special "christian values."
Re: Blessed

"Blessed are the peacekeepers: for they shall be called the children
of God." Matthew 5:9
http://www.christianlawenforcement.com/
A great site for all those cops out there that want a greater

understanding in their profound benefits to the world.

Unless for some reason the cop is havign sex with her on duty, he's
not breakign any laws.
Your wife came to her senses, she left a cop-hater and, sleeps with
a cop.
Good girl
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 153
Key word here "former". He isn't a cop anymore for a reason, so,
he's an average @sshole joe like yourself.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 153
And I bet that chick is a great lay, too bad we got her now
The Chief
Senior Member


Location:
Posts: 151
But every call the PD gets has to be taken seriously.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 151
I'm guessign you're talking about Terri Schiavo. I agree she

should've died. What more of a waste of money is that.

It's not without evidence totally, it's reasonable suspicion. What is
reasonable? That up to the arresting officer to determine. I make
arrests without evidence all the time.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 149
Cops don't work... they just drive around all day cause they want
too, they pull people over at will for speeding, and collect the city
money for no reason whatsoever.

The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 153
I can't wait for the day you just have an accident, sticking up for
your so called rights dumbcan. "I'll carry an uzi to the PD, you
gonna stop me piq???"
One shot inbetween your eyes. That'll fix your views right up.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 148
What do you know, the gun ban passed. Great news.
The Chief
Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 152
Yeah duncan, glad to see your bltch ass posting in it.

I am christian, not Catholic. In the days Jesus was on earth to
preach god's laws, there weren't feeding tubes and ventaliators.
I see it as letting nature run it's course. I'm in training right now to
become a Police Chaplain, a very rewarding job.

You are a phoney christian, a hypocrit. You aid and abet child
molesters and murders, you are the worst of the sinners. You steal
from hard working people and take freedom from innocent people.
You lie and take innocent people to prison and jail. You hurt old
people and kill others. You are a traitor to this country.
go fuqk yourself you anti-freedom Nazi.
11-17-2005 09:43 AM
GC Marciano Re: Re: Not going anywhere...

quote:

since me and LE Hero are better than all of
you, with far higher educations
Registered: Jul 2003 More desperate lies from the dumbass...

Posts: 9967 Cops have an average IQ of 105. It takes a GED to become a
cop, at most it takes an associates. Any retard can get an
associates.
If you're so smart, why don't you get a real job?
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11-17-2005 02:08 PM
duncan If this p8g is so well educated and better than us then why did he
Moderator come to us?
Registered: Jul 2003 bye bye p*ggy and let us see if you can get out of the pen.
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11-17-2005 02:29 PM
The Chief Is this being out of the pen?

Senior Member
I think it is Dumbcans
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11-22-2005 09:42 AM
The Chief Is this being out of the pen again Dumbcans??? I think it is...
Senior Member
Try try again.
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11-24-2005 12:27 AM
ptpeet snip (from my DrugWar@mindvox.com email list -which can be

Junior Member subscribed to through www.drugwar.com)-
Registered: Dec 2006 Guy applied to the New London CT police force, took their
Location: intelligence test, and scored considerably higher than most
Posts: 1
applicants.
New London rejected him, claiming that such an intelligent recruit,

after expensive training, would soon get bored with being a patrol
officer, and would soon quit, wasting all the city's training money
and resources.
The applicant sued. The federal court ruled New London had the
right not to hire a guy who scored too high on the IQ test.
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http://www.testpublishers.org/w2000nl.htm
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On September 2, 1999, the U.S. District Court of Connecticut,

3:97CV1012 (1999) decided a case in which the plaintiff was denied
the opportunity to become a police officer based on his score on a
written exam. As part of the application process the plaintiff, Robert

Jordan, took a written exam for the position of entry level police
officer. One component of the written exam was the Wonderlic
Personnel Test ("WPT") and Scholastic Level Exam. Wonderlic's
User's Manual suggests a range of 20-27 for consideration as a
patrol officer, and the City of New London followed that
recommendation. Jordan scored a 33 on the exam, too high for
consideration as a police officer. Subsequent to notification of his
ineligibility for the position of police officer due to his high test
score, Jordan filed suit against the City of New London.
Jordan contended there was a "violation of the Equal Protection
Clauses of the United States and Connecticut constitutions
stemming from the defendants' hiring practice". In deciding the
basis on which the claim was to be judged, the court drew upon
Schweiker v. Wilson, 450 U.S. 221 (1981). "Social and economic
(action) that does not employ suspect classification or impinge on
the fundamental rights must be upheld under the equal protection
component of the Fifth Amendment when the... means are
rationally related to a legitimate purpose." Jordan agreed that he is
not a member of a suspect class and there is no fundamental right
to employment as a police officer. Therefore, the rational basis
review was used as the standard to evaluate the plaintiff's claim.
Jordan further conceded that increasing employment longevity and
reducing the high costs associated with employee turnover are
legitimate government purposes.
Plaintiff provided evidence that there is a lack of a definitive

relationship between high cognitive ability and job satisfaction,
performance and longevity. However, in the Court's opinion, the
"Defendant need not show that... the policy is wise. Defendant need
show only there there was reason to believe that employing the
classification could be beneficial in achieving their stated goal." As
the city of New London followed Wonderlic's recommendation as
well as reasonably relying on professional literature that concluded,
"hiring overqualified applicants leads to job dissatisfaction and
turnover," they did not violate the Equal Protection Clauses.
In its opinion the court cites Stein v. National City Bank, 942 F.2d
1062 (6th Cir. 1991), "It is not the function of the courts to judge
the wisdom of particular business policies, but to ensure that such
policies are made on a rational basis." Moreover, "Because
defendants have shown that there is a rational basis for its policy, it
cannot be found that the policy is arbitrary or irrational." In
granting summary judgment for the defendant the court said
"Plaintiff may have been disqualified unwisely but he was not
denied equal protection."
12-05-2006 05:56 PM

ZoeJane I just started reading this thread, only on page 4. Quite amusing.
Senior Member
quote:
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Posts: 1103 Originally posted by Unregistered
Such vulgarity. If you truly had an IQ of 137, I would

hope that you could tone down the m0th#rf*(k#rs a
little. Duncan, why must you be so ugly? Must be your
nature. I have not the need nor desire to explain or
defend myself to you. I have less to lie. Believe me or
do not, I could care less what goes through your
small demented mind.
quote:
Apparently no one can point to ANY specific instances in

which I committed "errors, mispellings (which
incidentally is spelled misspellings.
I found no misspellings here but it's obvious from your postings

that you don't care for Duncan. So wouldn't the correct wording be
'I couldn't care less what goes through your small demented
mind.'
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Prince ZoeJane (Dixie Darlin, Vanya) why do you keep posting here at
Movin' on Copwatch?
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JJ DUPREE my mommy makes me wear diapers and then she touches me in

Movin' on (B) my no-no place.
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06-24-2007 03:45 AM
ZoeJane quote:
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Originally posted by Prince
Registered: Jun 2007 ZoeJane (Dixie Darlin, Vanya) why do you keep
Location: posting here at Copwatch?
Posts: 1103
Not only have you PMed me and called me a name, you have
posted snide remarks directed at me several times. I am NOT this
Vanya whoever and I don't appreciate any of it.
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ZoeJane quote:
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Originally posted by JJ DUPREE
Registered: Jun 2007 my mommy makes me wear diapers and then she
Location: touches me in my no-no place.
Posts: 1103
Sorry to hear that your mommy's attempt to potty train you when
you were a child failed.
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Matt1 Update...took two guys to jail, who were both fighting with me, with
Senior Member no help a few weeks ago. The only thing I got out of it was a badly
twisted ankle.
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07-12-2007 11:39 PM
kola back to the topic:

Senior Member
I think its ok to have cops here but when they purposely chime into
Registered: Jul 2007 a thread and disrupt it just to muddy the waters then they should
Location: get booted out.
Posts: 144
From the reading I have done here, they have nothing to offer (as
far as being beneficial or helpful). Their posts only solidify my
image of them as they swear, lie, act rude and continually try to
play their control games. (either physically and/or mentally).
There are a few good cops and I know them personally growing up
in a small town. But that is very rare as more and more goons are
joining "the force". These goons are dumb as rocks, unaware of
Constitutional rights and only sign up to put themselves in aposition
of power. Authority is the wrong hands has dire consequences. ( for
both sides of the parties).
I am hoping to divise a instrument that will make taser guns

useless. The same inventions can be addressed to fireams too.
Kola

07-13-2007 12:28 AM
duncan Matt the freakin pud.

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07-13-2007 01:34 AM
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took two guys to jail, who were both fighting
with me, with no help a few weeks ago. The
only thing I got out of it was a badly twisted
ankle.
Registered: Jul 2003 One man heavily armed with firearms, electronic torture
Posts: 9967
devices, pepper spray, a steel asp/baton, restraint devices, etc,
etc... against two unarmed kids.
What a freakin' stud!
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07-13-2007 01:50 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by kola
...but when they purposely chime into a thread
and disrupt it just to muddy the waters then
they should get booted out.
From the reading I have done here, they have

nothing to offer (as far as being beneficial or
helpful). Their posts only solidify my image of
Registered: Jul 2003 them as they swear, lie, act rude and
Location: Chicago, Illinois continually try to play their control games.
Posts: 9967
(either physically and/or mentally).
Hey you just painted a picture-picture portrait of our cowardly

little whipping boy, Mutt1!
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Originally posted by kola
I am hoping to devise a instrument that will make

taser guns useless. The same inventions can be
addressed to fireams too.

Location: Great idea, especially if it is light enough to wear all the time.
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07-13-2007 02:02 AM
kola it could as small as a garage door opener or installed into your

Senior Member cellphone.
Registered: Jul 2007 kola

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07-13-2007 02:25 AM

Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 One man heavily armed with firearms, electronic
Location: torture devices, pepper spray, a steel asp/baton,
Posts: 1818 restraint devices, etc, etc... against two unarmed
kids.
What a freakin' stud!
Don't carry a taser or an asp. We have a PR24 but it is a pain to

carry so I don't take it out unless I need it.
Both these guys were in their twenties and I didn't spray either one
of them.
07-13-2007 04:39 AM
GC Marciano And we're all stupid enough to believe the unsubstantiated

Copwatcher Extraordinaire claims of a cop, I'm sure.
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Matt1 Why do you believe they are police officers making threats other
Senior Member than what they say in their messages? People (moderators) often
change my posts here to make me look bad.
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07-16-2007 01:37 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by nicole1970
Registered: Feb 2004 You claim that people are picking on you and
Location: changing what you say to make you look bad why
Posts: 1818 do you stick around?
I really am curious?
How could you possibly benefit from being a part
of something where you do not feel welcome or
wanted?
Why even bother to post anything in a forum
where your words will be twisted and
manipulated?
Whats your point?
I don't claim anyone is picking on me. It is, however, a fact that

some moderators change my posts and have done it to others as
well. I actually think it is funny that is the only way they can beat
me in a debate.
Honestly, people pose questions here that make me really think

about different situations and how to handle them. I try to give out
useful information when somebody really asks for it.
07-16-2007 04:15 PM

duncan Matt does more sniviling than any ten repukelicans do when they've
Moderator busted for f*cking a D.C.whore.
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respect from the public, Police or firefighters and EMTs?
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Texastwister1 Who do think has more respect from the public, Police or firefighters and
Senior Member EMTs?
Registered: May 2004 I am just wondering as taxpaying citizens. Who do you have more
Location: respect for, police officers or firefighters and EMTs? Who do think
Posts: 1744
saves more lives?
09-06-2004 09:06 AM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. I don't mean to sound sarcastic TT but each job is different from
Senior Member the other!
Registered: Apr 2004 A fire fighter deals primarily with fire and emergency rescue
Location: situations and they are certified in CPR and are able to provide first
Posts: 667 aid until help arrives.
A Police Officer deals with patrol and enforcing laws and other crisis
or emergency issues as they arise. They are also certified in CPR
they can also provide first aid until help arrives.
An EMT's primary function is to assist and adminster first aid CPR

and provide life support to the individuals who have sustained
injuries or illnesses at the scene and while en route to the hospital
E.R. this is their job function. They are involved in fighting fires,
rescue situations or police matters.
Trying to comprae fire fighting or policing to EMT's is an apples &

oranges contrast, they differ greatly!
09-06-2004 09:55 AM
Texastwister1 I guess you didnt read the question. Who do you think has more
Senior Member respect from the public police officers or firefighters and EMTs?
Registered: May 2004 I know how you will answer.

Location:
09-06-2004 09:59 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Did you not ask : "Who do think saves more lives?"
Senior Member
That was my answer.
Posts: 667
09-06-2004 10:10 AM

Texastwister1 [QUOTE]Originally posted by BLUE IN N.Y.C.

Senior Member [B]I don't mean to sound sarcastic TT

Location:
Posts: 1744
Yes you do. You do it to every copwatch member that does not
support your so called police state. I think it just pisses you off that
so many people are hip to your bullsh8t.
09-06-2004 10:44 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Obviously you one of those characters who knows it all can't tell me
Senior Member sh8t guys. You were just waiting for your opening then you reacted
like your pals. Should I have expected more? I think not. Do I give
Registered: Apr 2004 a flying crap what your opinions are. No. You've got yours and I've
Location: got mine. End of story.
Posts: 667
All the nonsense of posing qustions are bogus. All you're looking for
are those who think like you. You could care less what anyone else
thinks. Main objective here? Just another cop bashing site. Nothing
more.
There's a book you should read it really suitable :"Don't Pee On My

Leg And Tell Me It's Raining" J. Scheindlin Author
09-06-2004 11:06 AM

Senior Member [B]Obviously you one of those characters who knows it all can't tell
me sh8t guys. You were just waiting for your opening then you
Registered: May 2004 reacted like your pals. Should I have expected more? I think not.
Location: Do I give a flying crap what your opinions are. No. You've got yours
Posts: 1744
and I've got mine. End of story.
All the nonsense of posing qustions are bogus. All you're looking for
are those who think like you. You could care less what anyone else
thinks. Main objective here? Just another cop bashing site. Nothing
more.
Blue, Nav has already told you copsters to stay on the thread topic.
I guess you didnt take him serious.

09-06-2004 11:18 AM
Senior Member
Originally posted by BLUE IN N.Y.C.
Registered: May 2004 You asked a question. I answered. Trust me do
Location: you honestly think I care?
Posts: 1744
I'm humoring myself with this place. In 24 hours
I'll be out of the country for 6 months and this
subject won't remotely enter my mind. Pity you
don't understand.
In 24 hours you will be in the Pen on our little forum. But we all
know you will come back under some other name.
09-06-2004 11:46 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. Do you think I care? As you said to me f8ck you! That goes doubly
Senior Member for your ignorant posse of assorted convicts and drug addicts. That
you understand. You're insignificant. As you told me about the
Registered: Apr 2004 police state take the pen shove it up your ass and ask duncan and
Location: al to take turns!
Posts: 667
Satisfied you moron?
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09-06-2004 11:51 AM
Texastwister1 Dance to my tune copster dance. :devil:

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09-06-2004 11:53 AM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. Eat sh8t and die faggot. What you call a "grown man" in kollige on
Senior Member a skate board in a parking lot I call an asshole looking for trouble.
Probably smoking crack with his buds.
Posts: 667
09-06-2004 11:56 AM
Texastwister1
Senior Member
Dance to my tune little puppet dance. I love it.

Location:
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Damn, Duncan and Al have taught me well.
09-06-2004 11:59 AM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. You son a fire fighter? Gee! How many kids did he f*ck lately the
Senior Member little perv? You're a sad f8cking case. Those Texas Troopers know
sh8t when they see it you just proved it.
Posts: 667
09-06-2004 12:02 PM
Texastwister1 Blue you are a 4 star act girl. Your name is mud here on copwatch.
Senior Member Just remember you did it to yourself.

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09-06-2004 12:07 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. All of you are dog sh8t under my boots. Nothing but a bunch of
Senior Member hate mongers and neo nazi's to grace the internet.

Location:
Posts: 667
Save the comment of "girl" for the bitches in your life asshole.
09-06-2004 12:12 PM

Texastwister1 By all means then Blue. Dont let the door smack you on the ass on
Senior Member your way out. I have said this before. This is copwatch not cops
watching copwatchers. Your on the wrong forum lady.
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09-06-2004 12:15 PM
BLUE IN N.Y.C. So what? I'm a convict watcher not the other way around. Don't let
Senior Member the cell door slam to hard on you or your kid. Don't cry the blues on
a police forum.
Posts: 667
09-06-2004 12:40 PM
Texastwister1 ha,ha,ha, Dance puppet dance.

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09-06-2004 01:02 PM
Texastwister1 I just wanted to say how sorry i am for the actions of Blue on this
Senior Member thread as she has screwed up what could have been a very good
topic for all of us to discuss here on copwatch. One good thing did
Registered: May 2004 come from her actions here. We all now know her true feelings
Location: about us copwatchers and have seen her real face this morning. We
Posts: 1744
also know now that she is a big time supporter of the police state in
which she had made claims many times to us about how much of a
good officer she is and how she likes to bring down a dirty cop. It
was all a big lie. Thank you Blue for showing us how you really are.
Texastwister
09-06-2004 01:26 PM

BLUE IN N.Y.C. Not a problem. It irritated your ass that I conversed with others
Senior Member who had something sensible to say. Rave on. It's a short term thing
anyway.
Location: You showed your true colors as a slime ball defender of convuicts
Posts: 667 who cried "Don't you believe al could change?" No. Once a slimey
con always.
He'll have you believe he was so wronged by the cops when he

f8cked himself up. duncan another sh8t brain who's merely a
weelfare case.
You ...well you proved yourself jumping in the bandwagon with the
barbs and insults. I thought you couldn't read now I KNOW for sure
you can't you're just as dumb as your asshole buddy duncan.
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Texastwister1 God, I love it Blue you a such a sucker. Just keep on dancing to my
Senior Member tune puppet.

Location:
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09-06-2004 03:13 PM


Senior Member [B]All of you are dog sh8t under my boots. Nothing but a bunch of
hate mongers and neo nazi's to grace the internet.
Location:
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Save the comment of "girl" for the bitches in your life asshole.
I think Blue is going to go cry.:eek:
09-06-2004 04:39 PM
Back in Black Tough call between garbage collectors and the police.
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09-11-2004 08:48 PM
Texastwister1 Just thought I would hash up an old memory. Read it and enjoy.
Senior Member Lol, What a hoot. Notice how the copthug squeels.

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12-16-2005 06:33 PM
GC Marciano You'll notice that even through all her "I'm a big badass"
Copwatcher Extraordinaire bullshit, she ran like a scared little monkey bitch when she was
caught in her lies and confronted with facts and logic.
That stupid bitch cracked me up. Sometimes I almost miss

reading her ignorance, but then I just go read the incessant
stupidity that L.E. Zero spews on the forums and I get more
than enough for one sitting.
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12-28-2005 10:22 PM
Texastwister1 L.E. Zero's replys are starting to bore the sh8t out of me. This
Senior Member copscums BS is getting real old, fast. We need a new whipping boy
ASAP.
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12-29-2005 08:56 AM
Layla Well, to get back on the subject, I'd have to say my respect goes to
Junior Member the Firefighters and EMT's who are ALWAYS respectful and pleasant
to deal with. Cops are just ****y, and no matter WHO YOU ARE,
Registered: Oct 2005 they have horrible attitudes - maybe it's just sugar overload?
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12-29-2005 08:32 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Layla
Cops are just ****y, and no matter WHO YOU
ARE, they have horrible attitudes - maybe it's
just sugar overload?
I think their shitty attitude is more a result of the insecurity

Registered: Jul 2003 complex that nearly all cops sffer from. They are worthless
Location: Chicago, Illinois human beings and deep down they know they are inferior to
Posts: 9967 everybody else. That's why they try to fuck everbody else over.
They really can't help it. They're just retarded.
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12-29-2005 09:44 PM
Texastwister1 Cops think the badge will protect them... This is where many
Senior Member coppers make their worst mistake.
Registered: May 2004 It has been proven time and time again that copscum are not the
Location: sharpest tools in the shed. They are just ass kissing pawns of the
Posts: 1744 state.
12-31-2005 11:56 PM
GC Marciano quote:
It has been proven time and time again that
copscum are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Very true. If they had even an average intelligence level they

would be able to hold a real job.
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01-01-2006 12:16 AM
Texastwister quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by BLUE IN N.Y.C.
Registered: Jul 2006 Do you think I care? As you said to me f8ck you!
Location: Texas That goes doubly for your ignorant posse of
Posts: 165 assorted convicts and drug addicts. That you
understand. You're insignificant. As you told me
about the police state take the pen shove it up
your ass and ask duncan and al to take turns!
Satisfied you moron?
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11-15-2006 04:17 PM
GC Marciano Oh the good ole' days... It sure was fun making that bitch
Copwatcher Extraordinaire dance, wasn't it?
But like the rest of the LEO cowards, she ran off with her tail
between her legs.
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11-15-2006 04:31 PM
Texastwister Yes it was GC... Now that L.E. Zero and Mutt 1 the slug have ran off
Senior Member like crowards, I was just wondering who is gonna be our new
whipping boy? I must be honest, I have been keeping a close eye
Registered: Jul 2006 on our new LE copscum member Boy Blue Balls but the votes not in
Location: Texas just of yet..
Posts: 165
11-15-2006 05:14 PM
GC Marciano I would call it for the Boy in Blue Panties, but it appears he took
Copwatcher Extraordinaire off running already.
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