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Ali: Mirza of Jhelum and Masud Ah:mad of Carachi/Karachi both agree that Divine
Essence =Deity can exist in some Places /Spaces. But they both deny that Divine
Essence [Dha:tul Ba:ri:] Existeth in all Spaces/Places. That is the reason the both
sectarian leaders believe that Maiah [Withness] and nearness [Qurb] are
Essential Attributes Of Deity.

Now we question both of them theoretically and academically [since Masu:d

Ah:mad is not alive] that If it is Possible for God/Deity to exist in some
spaces/places then it is also possible for Deity \God =Divine Essence, to be existed
in all Spaces/Places.

To claim that it is Impossible for the Divine Essence to be Existed in All Spaces \All
Places but it is Possible for the Divine Essence in Some Places/Spaces is it self an
Impossible and Absurd Claim.

Now if it is Possible and Contingent for the Divine Essence Namely/Nounly ALL-H
[SVT] to be Existed in All Spaces /All Places then the reason that Divine Essence is
Present [is Existed (Divine Essence Existeth)] in Some Places/Spaces and not
Present [is Not Existed (Divine Essence Doeth Not Existeth)]in some Places/Spaces
can only be Religious [Sh-ri:] and not Rational [Aqli:].

Now if this is the case then burden of Proof that Divine Essence Doeth not Exist at
Each and Every Space/Place is on Mr Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum the Apostate Engineer of
Panjab.

Since those who argue in favour of Omnipresence and Omni-Existence of Divine

Essence argue on the basis of generalization [-mu:m]of certain words of certain
Sentences [Verses] of Holy Qura:n.

So any particularization [Takh:s:i:s:] of them requires Religious Proof an not Rational

Proof , Since if the Rational Proofs [Ad Dala:ilAl Aqliah] are correct then they
imply that Divine Essence is Beyond Each and Every Space and Place.

And this implies that So Exist in Every Space/Place [toExist in All Spaces/Places]and
to Exist in some Spaces /Places both are Equally Impossible and Absurd.

So if this Apostate Engineer does not accept the Rational Proofs and Rational
Arguments then the whole discussion is only based on Qura:n and Ah:a:di:th: .

So the Burden of Proof is Upon The Engineer Ali Mirza: Of Jhelum.

Points to be noted:

1] Engineer Ali Mirza: believes that Divine Essence is Mustavi Upon Arsh
[Throne] . The word Mustavi means one that is Above since Istiva: means -LV
meaning Above , Ascend. Istiva: IN THIS MEANING does not imply Space/Place.

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2] If It is proved that Divine Essence is Present in some Spaces/Places by Religious

Proofs and Religious Arguments it is not implied Deity[Divine Essence] is Not
Present in Some Spaces/Places. So if there are some Religious Proofs that Divine
Essence is Present/Existed in Some Spaces/Places then they cannot be used to
prove that Divine Essence is not Present /Existed in Some Places/Spaces.

In Simple form Some does not Imply Not All.

3] Rational Proofs Imply that Divine Essence Existeth Only Its Own Self i.e Divine
Essience Existeth and Subsisteth in It Self. As Divine Essence is not All
Places/Spaces and Divine Essence is Not Some Spaces/Places this implieth that
each and every Space/Place is Distinct and Separate From Divine Essence . This
implies that Istiva: is consistent and compatible with Separation and Beyondness
and Doeth not Imply that Divine Essence is Existed /Present in some Spaces/Places.

4] If Engineer Ali: Mirza: claims that Istiva: means Sitting [J-LU:S] then if Divine
Istiva: [Divine Sitting] is possible on Arsh then it is Possible to each and every
Farsh. A Possibility to Sit on one Creation implies a Possibility to Sit on every
Creation.

Even it is possible on the Heretic Head of any Heretic , certainly not excluding the
Engineer himself.

If the Apostate Engineer does not consider himself as Heretic even then he has to
admit that Divine Sitting is Possible on the Head of each and every Person including
the Engineer himself. Since at best he can deny that he is Heretic but he cannot
deny that he is a Person, and every Human Being is a Person [Sh-kh:s:]. So in this
case the Engineer is compelled to Accept some thing which even he cannot accept.

A CONUNDRUM FOR THE ENGINEER OF JHELUM.

If Divine Essence is Existed/Present in Some Spaces/Places then the question is
whether these Places or Spaces or both are Creations and Creature of Divine
Essence or they are Uncreated.

If Uncreated then These Places and Spaces are implied to be Divine Essence or
Divine Attributes.

But No Space/Place is a Divine Essence and No Space/Place is a Divine Attribute.

So If Engineer Ali Mirza: accepts that Some Places /Spaces are either Divine
Essence or Divine Attribute or both then His Heresy is exposed.

If He says that THAT Some Spaces and Places are Created then it implieth that
According to him Divine Essence Can Exist atleast in Some Created Spaces and
Created Places. If so then Engineers Heresy is once again Exposed.

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