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The Truth About Cancer
The Quest for The Cures
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Table of Contents
EPISODE 1: THE CANCER PANDEMIC .................................7
EPISODE 2: ARE YOU IMMUNE? ........................................35
EPISODE 3: FRANKEN-FOODS & CANCER CAUSERS ....61
EPISODE 4: SPOILED ROTTEN ..........................................89
EPISODE 5: EATING AWAY AT CANCER .........................117
EPISODE 6: WHAT WOULD DOC DO?..............................145
EPISODE 7: HOW TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE ..................189
CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE EXPERTS ...............243

Episode 1: The Cancer Pandemic

Ty: Hi, this is Ty Bollinger. I want to tell you my story about how
cancer has affected my family. 1996 I visited my father. My wife
Charlene and I visited mom and dad at their house and we didnt
know he was sick. He had had stomach aches, no other physical
symptoms really at that point. He doubled over in pain that night
and we took him to the hospital. It was in San Antonio, Texas. A
few hours later the doctor had gone in for surgery. They thought it
was gallstones. The doctor came out and said that dad had cancer
and it was all over his stomach. So we asked the doctor what
should we do? And he said we should take his whole stomach out,
we should remove it. So we did.
And then over the course of the next 25 days my dad bled to death
from the surgery19 blood transfusions in 25 days. He died on
July 25th, 1996. That was my introduction into cancer and into,
what I call the cancer industry. After dad died, within the next
seven years I lost my grandfather, my other grandfather, my
grandmother, an uncle, and a cousin to cancer. Then in 2004 was
the straw that broke the camels back, my mother died of cancer.
And interestingly, for many years I had been researching natural
cancer treatments but at that point when youre thrown into the
mix and you really just dont know what to do, there were so many
relatives there. The surgeon was frantic. The doctor that treated
mom was a close family friend. And he said we need to cut to her
stomach out, the same thing they did with my father. So they did,
we did. We opted for surgery. And unfortunately mom died of a
stroke several months later that most likely resulted from the
surgery.
That was what really got me to wherein a position personally I

needed to get this information out to people. Like I said, Id been
researching for the last seven years since my dad had gotten sick.
And I had accumulated a lot of information, thousands of hours of
research. And I decided at that point I needed to put it into a book.
My goal in publishing my book in 2006 was just to honor mom and
dad so that they didnt die in vain so that people could be
empowered with this knowledge so that if their mom or dad is
diagnosed with cancer, which according to the World Health
Organization, if youre watching this, one in two men, one in three
women, that are watching this are going to be diagnosed with
cancer. If youre diagnosed with cancer you have the knowledge
that you need to make a good decision on how youre going to
treat it. That was my whole goal. I didnt know that eventually this
would blossom into something that I did full time and be able to
help literally tens of thousands of people across the world. Im very
grateful for that but that wasnt my plan.
Fast forward to 2014, the current year. In March, I talked to a

couple friends and we had the idea that we should go across the
country traveling to see the smartest people and get their opinion,
their protocols, the smartest doctors, some of them, on how to
treat cancer naturally. So we did. April 18th I headed off on this
journey. I have flown over the last five weeksit has been crazy.
Ive flown to Atlanta. Weve driven up the East Coast to Columbia,
South Carolina then to North Carolina. Then we flew from there to
San Diego, traveled up the five in California up to Los Angeles,
interviewed people in every place that we stopped. Drove from
there over to Las Vegas, flew to Chicago back to Texas, went to
Amarillo, Texas, back to Orlando to Kansas City to New York, back
to Texas.
Its been crazy. Im exhausted but Im excited about this project

because this is an opportunity to get the latest information to you
in a really short period of time. We talked about launching in about
eight months but we dont have the time to do that and neither do
some of you that are watching this right now. So instead of making
it perfect we wanted to give it to you raw. So over the course the
last five weeks or so weve gotten about 30 hours of raw footage.
And as I speak right now were editing that down to seven hours.
This is going to be the most important seven days of your life. And
so thats what this is, the truth about cancer, the quest for the
cures. I hope you enjoy it and I hope you benefit from it.
[Music]

Ty: I am going to miss you because Ive got to travel and Im going
to be gone for a while.
Charlene Bollinger: You know, well miss you too. We love you. And if
youre mom and dad could see this they would just be so proud of you.
Ty: So what is cancer? I traveled to Los Angeles to talk to G.

Edward Griffin and find out exactly what cancer is.
G. Edward Griffin: So lets backup to the basic assumption which is

the answer to the question, what is cancer. Believe it or not after all of
these years and all these billions of dollars that have been spent on the
so-called war against cancer, those in the highest levels of this war
dontthey still do not agree as to what cancer is. Its amazing to me. I
mean because they got these theories about, well, its a gene or maybe
its a deficiency. Maybe its something gone awry. I mean theres a
receptor here and they get into all these highfalutin, very complex,
technicalities that the average person cannot understand, and frankly,
some of the technicians dont understand.
Ty: And how can you declare a war on something that you dont
know what it is?
G. Edward Griffin: You dont even know what it isyes. Well, Im not
saying that Im smarter than anybody else but I am going to say that
when I talked to the doctors and the researchers who advocate
alternative therapies their answers as to what cancer is made a lot of
sense to me, much more sense than anything that you would get from
the other side, from the so-called Orthodox field. These men and
women believe thatwell, let me start off with the traditional view and
now we have to rephrase that word traditional. The present Orthodox
view is that cancer is a lump or a bump. Thats the cancer. And if
thatsthats the assumption. Now if that is true then to get rid of cancer
all you have to do is get rid of the lump or the bump. And hence we
have surgery.
Well, that gets rid of the lump or the bump, or we have chemotherapy,
which poisons the lump or the bump if we got rid of it. Or, we have
radiation which burns it and got rid of it. And you undergo these three
therapies. And to get rid of the lump or the bump the doctor will say it
looks like we got it all, that famous line, we got it all. But did they? No.
statistics show that in most cases it comes back. They didnt get it all

because that was never the cancer in the first place. If youre a farmer
and you see all these little black spots on your corn leaves and you
think, oh, those are black spots. Thats the disease and you get the
scissors out and you cut all the black spots away, you know. Well, we
got it all, right? No, you didnt because that wasnt the disease. What
caused those black spots is still present.
And so the same thing these men believe the alternative doctors
believe. They are more concerned with what caused the lump or the
bump. And so they start looking at the body as a whole. And they
believe therefore that cancer is not caused by something. It is caused by
the lack of something a whole different perspective. The lack of
something, a breakdown in the bodys normal ability to remain healthy.
They believe that cancer is really a natural process. Its related to the
healing processan oversimplification, you might say, that cancer is
nothing but healing gone awry.
If I were to scratch my hand now just then with that thumbnail I probably
scraped off, oh I don't know, hundreds of cells. Right now already my
body is responding to that and is sending signals out, chemical signals
and electrical signals, and a lot of electricity in the body, and its
triggering the mechanism to start growing new cells. This is natural. This
is the healing process. When those cells are finally replaced they will
send signals out and the body says, uh-huh, thats enough, stop now.
But now if the signals are not working right because of the chemical
imbalance or some toxic intervention of some kind, the signals are not
working right, now it doesnt say stop healing. So it just continues to
heal and heal and over heal and finally we have that famous lump or
bump. And we say, ah, its cancer. No. Thats a symptom of the cancer.
The cancer is why didnt the signals work? Theres something wrong
with the signaling mechanism and thats sort of the difference between
the orthodox view and the alternative doctors view of what cancer is.

Ty: I also wanted to get the opinion of a medical doctor so I hit the
road for Amarillo, Texas and Dr. Roby Mitchell. So let me ask you
this Dr. Roby, what is cancer?
Dr. Roby Mitchell: So cancer, when we look at it deductively and, of

course, the conventional paradigm in the past was that cancer or these
cells that have damaged DNA and its damaged in such a way that it
incents them to multiply continuously. So normally a cell will be one cell
and itll multiply into two and then itll multiply into four. So theres this
exponential growth but at some point it will shut off growth, right, and it
will just stay so your liver grows to a certain size and it stays that size
your brain, your heart, all these other cells, they grow to a certain size
and they stay that size. So they have a built in regulator that keeps
those cells from growing more than a particular number. In cancer cells
that regulator is turned off and so they just keep multiplying, multiplying,
multiplying, multiplying, and because of their physiologic makeup that
they absorb sugar and they absorb sugar better than your human cells
then they suck up everything around them and people with cancer die of
starvation. What we find now is thatand weve got very good
documentation to make this a valid hypothesisis that cancer cells are
normal cells that have pleomorphed and when I say pleomorphed I
mean changed over a period of time from a normal cell into a cancer cell
and that pleomorphism is reversible. So theres an intelligence there that
says that these cells are trying to survive a toxic situation, right.
And so when we look atfor instance, if you look at my prostate

biopsies, right, when I had prostate cancer youll see prostate cancer
cells, right, well say adenocarcinoma right on several of the biopsies.
But then youll also see normal cells and then youll see whats called
PIN or prosthetic inflammatory neoplasia, which is the link between
normal cells, thats the transitional cell between cancer and normal cells,
right. So what happens with cancer is that its in that toxic environment,
right. So lets say the colon for instance, so you create a toxic
environment in your colon by eating the standard American diet. The
first thing that happens is a process that we call hyperplasia. So we get
more cells than normal, right.
Look at the DNA of these cells, the DNA is normal DNA but theres just
a lot of them. I mean like you would have a callous on your hand, right, if
you were working hard youd build up a callous. So those cells are not
cancer cells, theyre normal cells but theres a lot more of them than
normally because its trying to protect itself. Well, in the colon that
happens to be a polyp, right. So in the colon there is this polyp. It
happens, again, in the hyperplasia, right, more cells than normal. And
that is the first stage. That polyp then will go onto another transitional
stage, right, what we call neoplastic stage and then that willif that
situation stays there then it will go on to cancer, right. So this is why its
really helpful for us to understand this concept because if that red light
comes on, if you were down in the coal mine and one of those canaries
dies, right, then its a signalyou have a chance, right, to get out of that
situation. So if theres a polyp, if theres benign prosthetic hyperplasia, if
there is fiber adenoma in the breast, if theres just what we call Barretts
esophagus in the esophagus, right, those are all red flags, right, telling
us that theres a toxic situation thats making these cells try to move into
a cell form that will be able to survive a toxic environment.
Ty: So Dr. Roby Mitchell mentioned a toxic environment. Look at

environmental toxicity, does it have anything to do with the cancer
equation. I traveled to Las Vegas to talk to Dr. Keith Scott Mumby
about this cancer pandemic and to find out about just how
pervasive this disease was a hundred years ago. What he told me
was truly shocking.
Ty: [Dr. Keith], before the interview today you were telling me
about a story, I think it was Broughton Hospital.
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: Oh yeah, well, we are talking about cancer,
arent we?
Ty: Yes.
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: And Ive foundI mean I do a lot of research.
I read a lot of stuff. I kind of have this sort of encyclopedia retention
thing, which is very useful at times. But, you know, I love following
pathways, side pathways particularly. And I was looking at early cases
of cancer at the Broughton Hospital in Western London and I found a
very interesting report. One of the consultant physicians there was
taking his group of medical students to see this case. And he said, now
look, first of all, its a cancer case, which is very rare. You wont see
many cancer cases but this is a rare form of cancer. You probably will
never see this again. And you know what it was Ty? It was lung cancer
which is now the number one worlds killer. So that was back in
Victorian times.
You know, theycancer was virtually unknown then anyway but todays
number one killer was exceptionally rare. Whats changed in our world?
Well, of course, we all know its lifestyle basically which covers
everything from how we live to what we eat and so on--just such major

shocking changes that its gone from that to being the number one killer.
That was a very interesting story. And I started to look for, you know,
why would the Victorians be different? And the answer is they ate a lot
of food that on average there were no busses and cabs and nobody had
their own vehicles in those days so they walked literally. I mean the
average Victorian walked more than 20 miles a day which gave them a
lot of calories to burn so they could eat a lot of food to make up and that
meant they got lots of antioxidants and nutrients and phyto-nutrients and
all the other good things that we like.
So it fits our present model. And I think its a good sort of moral story
that if you do it rightthis is one of the things I teach Ty is that cancer is
not native to humans. You know, if you go back to primitivewell, we
can say primitive, but you know, early aboriginal type societies. Cancer
is virtually unknown. Its a disease of modern man. And as I like to say
its notit isits you. You know, cancer is not some alien thing that
was dumped in your body from a spaceship or something. Its you, its
your body kind of gone a bit wrong. And if you fix things your body will
restore its health. Its not a runaway train that cannot be stopped. I
mean, yes, its a runaway but you can put the brakes on and then
reverse it and then you see that a lot of costs, I mean a number of
natural cures now are so vast youd have to be blind or dumb not to see
whats going on and not to realize that orthodox medicine isnt hitting the
bar at all.
Ty: After leaving Las Vegas I needed to talk to Burton Goldberg

also known as the voice of alternative medicine.
Burton Goldberg: When my daddy was born in 1900 one in 33

Americans had cancer of any kind, shape, or form. When I was born in
1926, cancer was the 10th cause of death in children. Today its the first
cause of death before accidents. Whats going on? Theres a holocaust.
its not a question of will I have cancer? Its a question of when. And the

oncologists are keeping their mouths shut. They use the chemo, they
use the radiation, and radiation causes cancer. Mammograms cause
cancer. We know that. Medical research, the medical journals prove it
and yet they still do it. Whereas sonography and ultrasound can be very
beneficial without the violent side effects of annual mammograms and
squeezing the breasts. Guess what happens if theres a tumor there.
Youre squeezing it through the body. its insanity. So the medical
profession, in my opinion, is as corrupt as any third world nation and this
country is allowing it. And the reason its allowing it is because
subsequent to the Roosevelt administration that agencies that were
designed to protect humanity are protecting the industry theyre
supposed to protect us from.
Ty: Wow! That just blows my mind every time I hear it. Its a
continual theme that I got along this journey.
Ty: [Robert], I saw you recently on Fox News. You talked about a
monopoly of modern medicine. And you talkedyou went into
history of modern medicine. If you could for the viewers here go
into a brief five minute history of modern medicine, how did we get
to where we are today?
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Yeah. This is an interesting thing, the history
that is not taught. And part of my interest in this subject, not only
because of my own health challenges, but once I uncovered the fact
that I was lied to about my health and my body and health and medicine
in general I began to question just about everything that I was taught.
And as I uncovered these different areas of inquiry I found out, indeed,
theres an official story about these things including the official story of
modern medicine.
Were raised as if its always been here. its always been this way and
the only doctors you could consult are medical doctors that prescribe
patent medicines approved by the federal food and drug administration
that I often call the fear and death administration because of the
promotion of products that are, in fact, the leading cause of death, not
the third or second, but the first, in fact, when you start taking it all into
account. So looking back at the history I became intrigued as to how did
we get here? How did we get here? And that opened up a huge can of
worms. Now as a homeopath eventually I became, I learned about
many things in history that we were not taught including the fact that in
the Civil War, the war between the states, some describe it as a war of

northern aggression depending on your historical perspective, you

would goand even today youd go to a Civil War museum in the south
and it is fascinating that youll find in the medical field kits, the little kits
that they have, first aid kits, they all had homeopathic medicine in there.
I had learnedI was steeped in the tradition growing up a lot of my
years in the south and the Civil War. Never once did we ever
acknowledge that there was anything like that in these kids much less
herbal medicine.
And so there was a whole history that was hidden from me. Now
eventually I was introduced to Harris Coulter. He wrote a series of books
called, Divided Legacy. I mean these are books you can work out with,
you can become big like you Ty. And its just incredible the history that
was hidden from us about the schism between what we call
homeopathic and naturopathic thought forms versus allopathic thought
forms where they poison the body using mercury and different things.
And thats where Dr. Samuel Hahnemann who was a physician in his
day in the late 18th and early 19th century determined that the medicine
that he was giving his patients was more harmful than the disease. And
he couldnt stomach that and thats where he was motivated to develop
a system that became a broad based worldwide system called
homeopathy utilizing small quantities or amounts of naturally occurring
substances from the mineral, animal and plant kingdoms.
And in this way there was growth around the world out of Germany of
this new form of medicine. Now eventually there was a schism because
there was an emerging field of, what we call, patent petrochemical
medicines based on the Rockefeller type oil monopoly that already
established in the energy sector that was growing. They started finding
out through organic chemistry that they can alter these oil-based
molecules into all kinds of things. And they developed these patented
drugs or drug molecules.
Now these were very profitable. But in order for the public to accept
them because theyre quite honestly theyre poison they would have to
take control of the education system. and at the time of the late 1800s
and early 1900s, 20th century, medical schools taught a lot of different
things. There were homeopathic medical schools, there were
naturopathic schools, there eclectic herbal type medicine schools. And
so it was all there. There was not one way. And what happened was
that the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations were interested in
establishing the one way.
How would they do that? Well, they would get a hold of the education
system and create a medical monopoly via basically eliminating all
competition to patent, petrochemical, medical education. Thats the
Flexner report of 1910, it became known. Abraham and Simon Flexner

were hired to do this. It was a preordained commission report. And
eventually by about 1947, 48, 49, you couldnt find a homeopathic
medical school or that curricula in existence. Even at Emery University
there was evidence that they taught some homeopathy up until about
1949 and thats a major medical school today. Hahnemann College in
Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, is named after the founder of
homeopathic medicine. They dont know that or many dont. And in fact,
the only physician that has been honored with a memorial, a whole
statue memorial, in Washington D.C., our nations capital, the only
physician so honored with that is a homeopathic physician. It is Dr.
Samuel Hahnemann.
KC Craichy: And Jeffrey Bland gave a talk this weekend and hes the
founder of functional medicine. The guys brilliant. And he was saying
that he has always been blasted about your stuffs not double blind
placebo controlled and I only practice scientific medicine. And he finally
says he got to the point where he says to the doctor, let me ask you this
question, and youll be honest with me, right? Well agree that Im a little
bit on the outskirts of what youre talking about as scientific medicine.
But let me ask you this question. Have you ever prescribed a patient a
drug who is already on four other drugs? Oh, of course! And could you
point me to a study that showed that a patient population on those five
drugs? Well, I had this study for this drug and this. No, thats not what I
said. Could you show me a patient population that has been studied on
those five drugs? And the answer is of course not. In fact, I was told by
a Dr. Scott Hannen about a study hes sent me here recently that theres
a study out that says that if youre on five or more medications it is

impossible to predict a clinicalthe clinical response of the five drugs.

Okay.
So thats why its all a guessing game. They give a drug for this and a
drug for that and then you end up giving drugs for the symptoms caused
by drugs. And its reallyits an awful spiral. Now theres a place for
some drugs sometimes but I generally think of them as a band-aid to get
people over a hump before they can figure out how to get their body
responding like its supposed to. Even in this weekends presentations
down in Miami they were showing research that saidnow, first of all,
the patients do not die of cancer. Seldom do they die of cancer. They
die of complications from cancer treatment. Okay. Thats just what
happens.
Ty: So this explains why doctors now use drugs as a band-aid, as

KC just said, instead of getting to the root cause of disease. I had
to travel to North Carolina to see Dr. Rashid Buttar to get his take
on this very important topic.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Cancer is not the problem. Cancer is the symptom.
If you want to look at it from a car analogy--I don't know why everybody
seems to understand analogies when we use carscancer is a flashing
light on the dashboard. And the reason chemo and radiation and
surgery dont work is because everybodys taking a hammer. Theyre
taking a hammer to that flashing light on the dashboard and thats
Ty: The check engine lightthe check engine light youre talking
about
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Exactly! The checking engine light, the flashing
thats saying theres a problem with the engine. So everybody says I can
fix that and theyre hitting that light but thats not going to fix the engine.
So my question to patients is very simple, if you took your car to a
mechanic and there was a flashing check engine light on your car and
the mechanic says, yeah, I can fix that and takes the fuse out, okay, and
says, okay, now your problem is solved. Or, Ive got a knocking in my
engine. Okay. Well here, turn up the radio. Do you hear it now? Well, I
can kind of still hear it. Here, put some ear muffs on. Yeah, no. Now I
dont hear it. Okay. Perfect! You havent done anything to the engine.
But youve
Ty: I would fire the mechanic.

Dr. Rashid Buttar: Exactly! And thats the question that when you
ask a person the logical answer is, yeah, Id fire the mechanic. So then
why arent they firing the doctors because thats exactly what the
doctors are doing. Theyve got a problem, theyre covering it up with a
drug to cover up the symptoms so the person doesnt feel or experience
the negative which is the bodys own mechanism of information saying,
hey, caution, theres a problem. And thats what cancer is. Its a caution.
Cancer is a problem that is telling you that theres a real problem but its
a problem that is like a slap in the face. Its not somebody saying, hey,
wake up. Its more like a punch to the face saying, wake up, but people
sometimes dont get that and they start to panic and they do more worse
things for their own body, i.e.and we can go into the details of this if
you want to, but you know what Im talking about where theyre starting
toradiations bad for any healthy person.
Why? Because it suppresses the immune system and causes ______

[00:26:53] to form so that cells mutate and you end up getting cancer.
So now if somebody has cancer what do you do? You put them into that
very same thing that you know is going to cause cancer. Now radiation
is supposed to kill the cancer, thats the philosophy. But then youre also
going to cause more mutation to the healthy cells and cause a
worsening of the effect just like pouring gasoline on a fire. So in the next
20 30 years this will be the first mainstay approach. And in fact, if it
was a first mainstay approach that doctors would use we wouldnt be in
the healthcare crisis that we are in, not only in our own country, but
internationally speaking. People would be healthier. There would be less
disease. There would be less pathology that we would have to deal with.
But thats not the case. Why? Because they seem to think that taking a
drug and covering up a symptom is a better option. You got a pile of
horse manure in your hair. What are you going to do? Well, the logical
thing would be take the manure out and get rid of it. But instead they put
a carpet down. Well, its still kind of lumpy. Then they flatten it. Well, I
can still smell it. And then they spray some air freshener here. This is
like one drug over another drug over another drug over another drug
trying to deal with the symptom side effects of the first drug and the
second drug, third drug. And finally theyre like the person just
deteriorates. No matter what you say when you put a carpet over that
manure, you spray air freshener, you put perfume out there, you burn a
match, whatever the case is, the problem is still there. Youve only
covered it up.
Ty: So in other words, youre saying thatand this is specifically

in the treatment of cancer here Im talking aboutconventional
methods of treating cancer, which would be chemo and the
radiation and the surgery, theyre really the equivalent of taking a
hammer and smashing the check engine light or taking a carpet

and covering up the manure but they havent really solved the
problem. Theyve just covered up the symptom.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Absolutely! In fact, Patrick Quillin who wrote,

Beating Cancer with Nutrition, is a very good friend of mine. In his book
says that 42 46 percent of cancer patients die of cachexia, of
malnutrition. How many oncologists are addressing malnutrition? No
one. In fact, what do they do? They give people Ensure, which is sugar.
And you know that cancer is an obligate glucose metabolizer. It needs
sugar to survive. In fact, one of the techniques is to reduce the amount
of sugar so that it cant feed the cancer. But theyre actually giving
gasoline to the fire and then expecting you to put out the fire. You cant
put out a fire with gasoline. So thats 42 to 46 percent.
Now if you look at other statistics, what does a cancer patient actually
die of? They usually end up dying from some type of an opportunistic
infectionpneumonia, whatever, urinary tract infection becomes septic,
whatever. They also die of multi organ system failure because the tumor
burden is so great, the system cant keep up with the entire blood
disgraces that result from this. So really when you look at it cancer has
never really killed anybody. Its the sequelae of cancer. Its the
consequences of cancer that actually kill people.
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: It doesnt make sense to poison and to

radiate and to cut a body thats already sick in the first place. People
dont get sick because they have cancer. Theyre already sick and then
they develop cancer. So if you start trying to poison and put these
horrific things into a persons body thats already weak and sick in the
first place youre not going to get very good results. And statistics show
us that.

A study done in Australia at the University of Sydney, Australia, where

they looked at 22 different cancers over a five year period and they
found only a 2.2 percent on average success rate with chemotherapy,
you know, those arent very good odds. If you cut out an organ, if its
diseased, what are you telling that patient to prevent that from
happening again? And so the traditional methods of treatment is just not
working.
Ty: Dr. Veronique Desaulniers, who cured her own breast cancer
naturally, just told us that chemo has a 2.1 percent success rate
and were looking at five year survival. Thats unbelievable. I
wanted to visit Webster Kerr, also known as the cancer tutor. So I
wanted to see what he had to say about the same topic. So I
caught a flight one early Saturday morning to Kansas city. In your
opinion, talk about the wisdom of using chemotherapy to treat
cancer. Is there a place for chemotherapy?
Webster Kerr: Well, let me put it this way, I work with a lot of cancer
patients who are still using chemotherapy. What I will tell them is before
you go in there well take some MSM, methosulfonylmethane, and some
of that MSM will turn into DMSO. And MSM by itself will open the port to
the cancer cells. And some of them will turn into DMSO and DMSO
open ports to the cancer cells even better. So a little bit of that cancer
chemotherapy will target the cancer cells.
So its kind of to make chemotherapy a little bit more effective but the
damage is done because they use doses that are very high. And so it
kills a lot of good cells and it doesnt target the cancer cells. As you may
know the five year cure rate for chemotherapy radiation and surgery is
about 2.1 percent. And if you took non-Hodgkins lymphoma out it would
be less than that. NHL and Hodgkins disease are really the only two
kinds of cancers that do respond fairly well to chemotherapy. But most
of the major types of cancer do not respond well to chemotherapy at all.

Ian Jacklin: Unfortunately in the western would right now almost all
medical systems whether it be Canada, Europe, America, our doctors
are only allowed to do chemo, radiation, and surgery when it comes to
treating cancer patients. And we know that chemotherapy does not work
for stem cells, the cancer stem cells. We know radiation makes the
cancer stem cells worse. So I don't know why either one of those would
be used. Surgery could be used on occasion if theres something
blocking maybe an artery or a passageway. But in general, most
cancers can be taken care of holistically without having to use surgery
either. Personally, I would never use chemo, radiation, or surgery for
myself or my family. Ive done too much research and Ive just seen
them. I see the people die in front of me. People get cancer. They do
chemo, radiation, and surgery. It hardly ever works.
Chris Wark: Whats amazing is so many cancer patients when theyre

diagnosed and theyre told they need chemotherapy almost all of them
dont want to do it. Instinctively they dont want to do it. They dont want
to be poisoned. They dont want to suffer. They dont want to get sicker.
But everyone tells them they have to. And so they reluctantly agree to
do it. And for most of them it doesnt end well. They get a treatment or a
series of treatments and there will be a very short window of time where
theythe doctors cant find any tumors. And so theyll say youre in
remission, your cancer free. Yay! Right?
We see celebrity headlines all the time. Im cancer free now after having
a tumor cut off, right? Bt the truth is youre not cancer free. You still
have cancer cells in your body. You still have a sick body. You still have
a depleted immune system and its just a matter of time before new
tumors form. And its really sad to watch cancer patients go through this
process of, oh, Im in remission and they think everythings great and
they can go back to normal life. And a few months later they have
another scan and theres a new spot or several. Or, its migrated from
what started as a tiny lump in one breast is now in their brain, in their
liver, spots on their bones, in their lungs. And we know thats from the
chemotherapy. Its causing it to spread. Its making it more aggressive
and its causing secondary cancers in the body.
Ty: Yeah. that was my next question is do you think that its
related to the chemotherapy.
Chris Wark: Yeah. We know it is because of the industry studies tell us

that chemotherapy is carcinogenic. It causes secondary cancers. There

are many chemotherapy drugs that are known carcinogens and listed by
the US National Toxicology Board as carcinogens. They cause cancer.
Ty: Lets hear what another medical doctor has to say. I traveled to
sunny Southern California to talk to Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy.
Whats dangerous about a cancer cell then? If its an out of control
cell why do we fear cancer? What is it about a cancer cell that we
want toif we treated it with conventional medicine we would use
chemotherapy. Why do we want to destroy a cell thats out of
control?
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Well, its interesting that you say that. We
people fear cancer. Its kind of interesting. I always think, okay, theres
lots of chronic illnesses. Theres cancer. Theres heart disease. Theres
diabetes. Theres Alzheimers. Okay. Theyre all very, very serious
challenges to the body. Andbut people fear cancer unlike any other
illness. If someone has a heart attack. Okay. I had a heart attack. I get a
stent. They know they have to make a lifestyle change. They know they
have to. But I would say most people make that lifestyle change. But
people really dont live in fear of that next heart attack. There are a few
people but they feel like they have the safety net of that stent and
theyre going to be okay.
With cancer, I think everyones had a loved one, they have seen the
devastation of the treatments of cancer. And the conventional
treatments are surgery, chemo, and radiation. And the traditional
treatments that weve used over the past 50 years, which were surgery,
chemo, and radiation, they may have worked a little while but now
because of the industrialization of the world we have a lot more
challenges to the human mind and body and frame. And so from the
toxins of the body to our food supply, our water supply, our air, and so
its making all diseases and dysfunctions more challenging. I mean lets
look at autism. Autism was one in 20 thousand years ago. Now its one

in 52 children. So obviously some serious things have changed because

if we really, really look at the diet, when I was growing up and when you
were growing up, okay, dont me you ate perfectly because you just
didnt.
I think people have become much more health conscious and aware
because now we have just incredible disease, and not just cancer, in
every area. I mean heard disease, cancer, strokes, everything. Look at
MRSA infection, staph-eating infection. I mean you never heard of that.
Now youits like commonplace. Oh yeah, I just went to the hospital
and had MRSA and got some antibiotics and I think Ive fine. Im not
sure Im fine. Im like what. This is likewhat? This is just not right, so.
But cancer is feared because it is an out of control situation and we do
knowwe have now lots to control the situation.
But all people know from their oncologist is surgery, chemo, and
radiation. And there is something called circulating tumor cells and
circulating stem cells. Okay. Thats a recent discovery and thats what is
responsible for 95 percent of metastases. And so when people get
cancer you want to make sure that those circulating tumor cells and
circulating stem cells which havecan have a very long life, you want to
make sure that those are zero. Now fortunately we have the capacity to
know that number of circulating tumor cells and stem cells. And so
people will know, okay, I dont have cancer. I know for sure because Im
able to do a blood test to know whether I have cancer.
Also, lets face it. The typical doctor, oncologist, or their other primary
care doctor does not entertain a discussion of lifestyle. Okay. An obese
guy walks in the doctor should be telling him that he is full of
inflammation, not full of fat, but full of inflammation and you need to do
something because of this, this, and this, not ignore it, and not just go,
okay, well heres a pill for your blood pressure, and heres a pill for your
cholesterol, and heres a pill for your back pain and Ill see you in a
month and well see if youre maintaining your disease. And thats what
doctors do. They maintain a persons illness. Theyre not making them
better. I mean what iswhat are you doing? That is like not okay.
Youre supposed to create optimal health in people. Thats your job.
Doctor means to teach. Why arent you teaching your patients how to
turn their life around?
Ty: Dr. Connealy mentioned the immune system and lifestyle

factors. So that made me think what about diet and nutrition.
Naturally, I headed up the five, as they say in California, to visit the
home of nutritionist, Dr. Patrick Quillin.

Ty: Beautiful fruit trees, youve already given me a small tour.

Were going to take another one later around your yard, at least a
couple dozen different types of fruits. So I can see from this, the
place that you live, that you understand the impact of nutrition.
And so talk about the impact of nutrition specifically on cancer.
What is cancer and what does nutrition have to do with cancer?
Dr. Patrick Quillin: A greata broad expansive sort of global question

here Ty. So forgive me if we take a couple of side spurs. My book,
Beating Cancer with Nutrition, which has sold a half million copies and is
considered the definitive work in that area. Its been translated into five
languages. I organized three international symposia on the subject of
adjuvant or healthful nutrition in cancer treatment. And then the textbook
came out of that, Adjuvant Nutrition in Cancer Treatment. So all of this is
not just hear say in any window. But essentially theres five main
reasons why all cancer patients need to use nutrition as part of their
comprehensive cancer treatment. And a forewarning, I would not use
nutrition as sole therapy against cancer. Is insufficient but it is
irreplaceable.
And so given that lets just think of the five main reasons why every
cancer patient needs to include nutrition as part of their comprehensive
therapy. Number one, nutrition actually is a big part of the malnutrition.
40 percent of cancer patients die of malnutrition, not of the cancer.
Cancer is a wasting disease. Appetite is affected. You end up in the
hospital with food that youre unfamiliar with. Chemo and radiation can
induce cachexia or lean tissue loss. So malnutrition kills 40 percent of
cancer patients.
The only therapy for that is proper nutrition. It sometimes needs to be

aggressive with the metabolic support team such as total parentarel

nutrition and other things. Number two is that nutrition can help to make
chemo, radiation, and surgery more of a selective therapy. In other
words, chemo and radiation are non-selective toxins. Theyre cytotoxic
poisons. They kill everything in their pathway. And there is what they
call collateral damage. So a patient who is receiving chemo is going to
have a certain amount of hair loss, nausea, vomiting, weight loss, all as
part of the chemo but nutrition can make chemo, radiation, and surgery
more selectively toxic to the tumor and less toxic to the patient.
This is where a very important part of my message is to get the

oncologist and the nutritionist and the cancer patient in the same room
together and they all have the goal of beating this cancer. And the fact is
a well nourished cancer patient can better manage the disease and the
therapies that are used for it. So number two is nutrition makes chemo
more of a rifle rather than a hand grenade. Number three we find that
sugar iscancer is a sugar feeder. Cancer is whats called an obligate
glucose metabolizer meaning that theres a dramatic uptake of glucose
in the cells of tumor cells. If you can lower gut and blood glucose you
can help to slow down cancer. And theres a number of therapies now
that target this whole unique Achilles heel of the cancer cells. Number
four we find that your immune system is supposed to recognize and
destroy cancer cells. In a cancer patient the immune system has failed
its duties. There has to be some ways of up-regulating the immune
system. So thats a whole study in itself.
And number five is that nutrients can become biological response

modifiers. Back in 1971 when Richard Nixon launched the war on
cancer he said, we will have the cure for a major cancer within five
years by the bicentennial, 1976. We dont. We dont have a majorwe
dont have a cure for any major cancer today either. We have some
better treatments but essentially were launching the war on cancer and
we have now spent in the neighborhood of 50 billion dollars on research
at the National Cancer Institute, and over a trillion dollars in therapies,
and we now have 40 percent of men born today can expect to develop
cancer in their lifetime. In the year 1900, three percent could expect to
develop cancer in their lifetime. We got a problem there. But one of the
things we know from cancer research and nutrition research is that
nutrients can become biological response modifiers. They change the
way the body works.
A blatant example of that would be every fall in America,

August/September, about 30 young men athletes will die from heat
stroke. Theyre big people, theyre not properly hydrated. Theyre out in
80, 90, 100, 110 degree heat. Theyre practicing twice a day. They dont
hydrate properly and they can die from dehydration. The only cure for
heat stroke or dehydration is water. And so water becomes a biological
response modifier in those patients. There are many cancer patients for
whom fish oil, coenzyme Q, lipoic acid, curcumin, theres just a long list
of nutrients, vitamins, minerals, probiotics, glandular extracts, many
different substances that can become powerful therapeutic aids for the
cancer patient to restore their host defense mechanisms because heres
a beauty.
A healthy human body is self-regulating and self-repairing. Now the

cancer patient has lost that ability for some reason. The job of everyone
in the hospital and everyone in the clinic should be to restore that
patient back to their self regulating and self repairing ability which is
what nutrition does as part of the package. What Im trying to do here Ty
is to empower people to improve their lives. I think too often people sit
around waiting for that demon, that ugly, random demon of disease or
cancer to appear in their lives when, in fact, we have overwhelming
evidence that we can lower the risk for getting cancer by 90 percent with
a healthy lifestyle. And if you get cancer you can use nutrition as part of
a comprehensive program to dramatically improve your quality and
quantity of life while going through cancer treatment, and better chances
for a complete remission.
Ty: Dr. Quillin made a remarkable statement that malnutrition kills

40 percent of cancer patients. So why dont more doctors
recommend nutrition in their treatment protocols?
Ty: [Dr. Isaacs], does modern medicine pay too much attention to
drugs and not enough attention to natural types of treatments?
Dr. Linda Isaacs: Yes. Thats the short answer. Yes, thats correct.
And I think a lot of that is how is research funded? Much of research is
funded by the pharmaceutical industry and they, for better or worse,
their goal is to make money for their stock holders. And so their goal is
to develop drugs that can be patented, that can be sold to treat illness.
So theyre funding the research and not unexpectedly then the medical
world is looking for research to know how to treat patients and whats
available is drugs.
Ty: So while they may be very intelligent people, and Im not

debating that, you get through 12 years of schooling and medical
school youre a smart guy/smart gal, if you cant teach somebody
something that you dont know yourself.

Webster Kehr: And theyre trained to sell drugs.
Dr. Irvin Sahni: The system is designed to create product disease.

Theres no money in being healthy. Theres no money in being dead. All
the money is in being chronically ill. And so the way the remuneration
works for physicians even with Medicare is that it encourages more
drugs to be written, switch from one drug to the next. So by design I feel
like the system is flawed. And thats, you know, and who do you think is
paying the congress people, you know, money for their next election
campaign, some small town doctor whos trying to educate people on
how to lose weight or Pfizer or Merck? And Im not picking on any
specific company here. But its just simply true. Thats where the money
comes from.
And thats whythats how these jobs are created and billions of dollars
are paid out to different individuals and, of course, you know my feeling
on the way the government interacts with corporations. And so thats
why the systems flawed. Thats my opinion. Thats one aspect of it thats
very easy to sink your teeth into and no one can tell me that Im wrong
because its true. Its just a fact. I mean this isnt something thats up for
discussion. This is just pure and simply a fact. No ones interested in
talking to you about losing weight. No ones interested in talking to you
about quitting smoking. We do that a little bit and theres actually codes
for quitting smoking. Theres some little fine nuances there but the
bottom line is theres no real incentive to promote true health and there
is an incentive to write lots of prescription medications by the way the
system is designed.
Ty: When you went through medical school how much nutritional
training did you get?
Dr. Irvin Sahni: Pretty much none.

Ty: Lets head to Austin, Texas and see what Mike Adams, the
Health Ranger, has for us.
Mike Adams: There is a system of censorship of nutritional knowledge.

There is a system thats trying to extinguish indigenous knowledge of
anti-cancer herbs and medicines, foods, and nutrition. And the
predominant message that we are told in society today is that foods
cannot be medicine. Thats what they claim. That theres no such thing
as medicinal herbs. The FDAs official position is that theres no such
thing as a dietary supplement that has any effect on preventing or
treating disease. But their position is that you are not a complete human
being unless you have interventionist, chemical medicine or vaccines.
You must be injected. You must be dosed with medications to be a
complete human being. That message is the antithesis of the natural
world. It is the antithesis of natural living and holistic medicine, holistic
healing. We, Ty, we are spontaneouslyspontaneous, self healing
beings, and were programmed from the day were born to heal
ourselves if we give our bodies the right nutrients and dont poison
ourselves with dangerous toxins.
It reminds me of a question a traditional Chinese medicine master once

asked me when we were having discussions in nature about whats
healing. And he asked me this very powerful but simple question. We
were at a forest and he said, look around, find me something around
here in the forest, find me something that is not medicine. And I couldnt.
Ty: You couldnt do it.
Mike Adams: I couldnt. Everything around us was medicine in one

form or another even the soil beneath our feet, the microbes in the soil
are medicine. The minerals in the stones are medicine. The chemical
constituents in the tree bark are traditional Chinese medicine. I mean a

lot of those are tree barks. The herbs the plants, everything had a
medicinal component, even the sky, the sunlight was medicinal. I
couldnt find anything that wasnt medicine. And so when people tell me,
when they come up to me and they say things like, I don't know what do
about cancer? Ive tried everything. Have you tried nature? Have youI
bet you on the way to your cancer clinic you walked by nature. You
walked by some plants that probably have anti-cancer medicines in
them.
[Music]
Ty: We are just getting started. This is just day one of seven days.
We learned a lot today. We learned about the history of modern
medicine, the Flexner report. Weve learned about the
ineffectiveness of the big three treatmentschemotherapy,
radiation, and surgery. Weve learned about why doctors treat
symptoms with drugs instead of getting to the root cause. Weve
learned that tumors are just a symptom of cancer and that cutting
them out sometimes is just like smashing a check engine light in
your car. It doesnt fix the underlying imbalance in the body, which
is caused by the immune system. In tomorrows episode were
going to learn all about the immune system. Have you leukocytes
and lymphocytes, macrophages, T-cells B-cells, monocytes,
eosinophils, basophils? Dont be scared by all these big terms.
Were going to break it down for you. Emeril Lagasse likes to kick
it up a notch. Were going to take it down a notch tomorrow so you
can understand your immune system and so you can see how that
you can take this personal cancer fighting army and turn them on
to protect your body from cancer.
[Music]
Ty: Alright, so Im here with Kelly and were out in San Diego. And
you were diagnosed with cancer. And so I just want you to share
with the audience here what kind of cancer did you have? What did
you doctor tell you that you needed to do? And what did you do for
it?
Kelly: Okay. So in 2010 I was diagnosed with stage III lobular invasive
carcinoma. So I had it pretty much in my entire right breast and then in
the lymph nodes as well. And at the time they tried to strong arm me
into doing chemo and radiation. And I opted to really take some time

and think about it. So I spent a lot of time doing things with my diet for
about five months. And I think the most telling thing for me was before I
went to a raw food retreat my PET CTs were in the seven to eight
values and just three weeks later after coming back they were less than
three, which anything less than three is normal. So that told me right
there that I could heal this with nutrition.
Ty: With raw foods
Kelly: With raw foods.
Ty: Okay.
Kelly: So at the time I opted to doto have the mastectomy performed

because it was just so large. I just wanted to take the burden off the
body. So I did that and thenmaybe thats too much information.
Anyway, they then still were just like you have to do chemo. You have to
do radiation. And I just, you know, had no desire to do it. And then they
said you want to do tamoxifen, they wanted me to do tamoxifen, and no.
I didnt want to do any drugs. I had done all my research. And I went to
all the doctors and they said, oh, that doesnt mean anything. And this
was research from Sloan-Kettering and MD Anderson and all that. So
anyway, I had a small spot on my sternum that they wanted to treat with
radiation and I said, no, this is too close to my heart, too close to my
lungs. And I decided to do it naturally and then I was fine. For about a
year and a half everything was great.
Ty: And how long ago was this?
Kelly: This was inthat was in 2012.
Ty: Okay.
Kelly: And I got a little cocky, got a lot back to living a crazy life, living a
crazy job, back to drinking wine, not eating raw foods, eating meat
again, and on August 2012 I was diagnosed with stage IV. So I had
about a three inch lesion on my sternum here and it was also in my
lower spine and in my left hip. So it was throughout my bones. And in
December of 2012 I was given 19 months and pretty much told by my
oncologist at the time that the only options were palliative, not curative,
that there was
Ty: Make you comfortable
Kelly: Yeah, make me comfortable. There was no cure. There really

was no hope. This is also the same oncologist who told me the following
month when I asked him how many patients he dealt with just like me.
He said, oh honey, youre our bread and butter. He says, any
oncologist whos worth their weight in gold has their office lined with
patients like you. Youre our bread and butter.
Ty: Thats unbelievable.
Kelly: So I got up and I said Im not anybodys bread and butter. And I
went to my now oncologist at the Mayo Clinic, whoyou know, he
always tells me, hes like I got to give you standard line. I know youre
going to do what you want to do. So I did have surgery to have the
ovaries removed because it was hormone dependent with the bones.
And then after that the doctors were like, well again, well just watch it
and see how it does and within two months is was completely gone. So
since for the last year now Ive had nothing on my PET CTs I am about
70 to 80 percent raw, entirely vegan. I dont touch any animal products
whatsoever except maybe some honey every once in a while. Bees
arentbees are bees. Theyre not animals. I love my honey, so.
And I really limit sugar, no alcohol. So I did it mostly through diet but I
would say diet isnt everything. Theres so much more to itmind, body.
And it might sound evolutionary, Id like to call it, but I strongly suggest
that people learn to send love to, what I call, the crazy cells because the
whole idea of fighting just creates more war in your body and thats the
last thing we need. So finding a way to send love and transmute it to
golden healing light and send them back to normal. I always picture it as
anytime I was getting a vitamin C IV, which I did, and a lot of
nutraceutical grade supplements, no drugs, yeah, no drugs, but any
time I was getting vitamin C IVs or coffee enemas I always pictured any
of that stuff going in is like little coffee cells or whatever and vitamin C
cells with party hats on going and finding the sneaky cancer cells and
going wake up, wake up, youre happy, youre okay. And theyd be okay
and theyd be fine, so. And here I am today and Im a 100 percent and
like everyone says
Ty: Very inspiring story.
Kelly: Im the picture of health and I am, so.
Ty: Well, thank you so much for sharing with us. We appreciate it.
Kelly: Im more than happy to. Sorry if it was too long.
Ty: No, it was great and I know that everybody thats watching this
is being encouraged.
Kelly: Good. Well, Im glad. Hopefully I could help at least. If its one
person then it was worth it.

Episode 2: Are you Immune?


Episode 2: Are You Immune?
[Music]
Ty: Welcome back! Thanks for tuning in tonight. Last night we

learned about the cancer pandemic. We learned about the history
of modern medicine. We learned about the ineffectiveness of
chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery at treating cancer. We
learned about the way that environmental toxins compromise the
immune system.
So tonight were going to learn more about the immune system,

about the way that it is your own internal army that you can
mobilize to beat cancer. Were going to learn about different ways
that the immune system is compromisedprimary sugar. Were
going to learn a lot about sugar tonight. Were going to learn about
how to modulate that immune system to boost that immune
system so that it works the way its supposed to.
Lets get right to it.
Ty: AJ, you talked about unraveling the mysteries here so lets
look at the immune system. Is that immune system one of those
mysteries that we need to explain and help to unravel so that
people can better get a grasp on how they can control the factors
that might effect that immune system and then down the road
potentially cause cancer. Because, if I understand it correctly, the
immune system is our first line of defense. And with a healthy
immune system it might be awful hard to get cancer if your
immune systems working properly.
AJ Lanigan: Well, as Im fond of saying, your immune system is really

the only thing that stands between you and all those things in you, on
you, and around you, trying to get you all the timecancer included.
Now, the problem with cancer in particularits not like, well, I got a cut
and I got dirt in it or I got a splinter or I just drank some bad milk and its
got bugs in it or I ate at the salad bar and whoever prepared it didnt
wash their hands after the toilet. So I got some kind e.coli. Its tough for
the immune system to find it, to see it, to recognize it. In fact, there are
only a minute number of immune cells that even have the capability of
surveying and actually recognizing pre-cancerous or cancerous cells.
The largest number of immune cells in your body are known as

neutrophils. When you go get your blood work, just standard ole blood

work, NU is the abbreviation for neutrophils, on any given day theyll

account for anywhere from 50 to 70 percent of your total immune army,
which basically your white blood cells. Ty, they cant see cancer, cant
see it on your best day. The majority of your system cannot see cancer.
In fact, the very narrow margin would be made up of natural killer cells
and theyre constantly surveying all the cells in your body, healthy cell
smiley face, healthy cell, smiley face. Hmmthis cell doesnt have a
smiley facebada bing, bada boom. Thats the job that naturally kills it.
There may be a virus hiding inside that cell. That cell could be mutating,
it could be mutating and be benign, it could be mutating and in turning
cancerous. It doesnt matter. No smiley face.
Ty: Fascinating way that you put that, very down to earth. Youre
the opposite of Emeril. He kicks it up a notch. You pulled it down a
notch so that I could understand that. I appreciate that. Now a
couple things that you mentioned, you mentioned neutrophils, you
mentioned natural NK cells which natural killer cells, you
mentioned T-lymphocytes.
AJ Lanigan: Cytotoxic T-lymphocytes
Ty: What does cytotoxic mean?
AJ Lanigan: Cytotoxic meansthink of cytocytoplasm, thats the

guts of the cell, thats the innerds. So if something is cytotoxic that
means that when it hits a cell it basically blows it up and lets the guts
come out. So cells, for example, your NK cells, their job is to keep
ramming into that cell that doesnt have a smiley face. And every time it

rams into it it releases chemicals into the lining of that target cell until it
finally bursts open or lysesl-y-s-e. Itll lyse that cell wall and a juice
comes out, the cytoplasm. The same thing happens with cytotoxic T-
lymphocytes. The difference is the natural killer cell is non-specific
generally. It doesnt care in any way whether or not theres a herpes
virus in there, it doesnt care if it is herpes I, herpes II, in other words
you got a variation of things that could be in there. It just generally
doesnt like anything that doesnt have a smiley face. The cytotoxic T-
lymphocyte, on the other hand, has been trained to look for one specific
fingerprint. So that cytotoxic T-lymphocyte that attacks herpes I wont
attack cytomegalovirus, wont attack roseola, wont attack herpes II. In
other words, one cell one target of attack. B-cells are lymphocytes, T-
cells are lymphocytes.
On the blood panels youve got a CD4. Thats a T4. You got CD8s,
thats a T-8. They got subsets. Think of the T4 as a four star general. I
mean hes sitting up at the top of the hill and hes watching whats going
on and troops are coming back and forth and giving him information.
Well, hes got a couple of two star generals. Theyre called T-helper
cells, also lymphocytes. T-helper subset one, T-helper subset two. Now
those two generals take responsibility. The TH2, he goes over and takes
care of all those B-cells and antibody production jobs. The TH1, hes
going to stay over here and help regulate all these cellular killing which
will take place with those cytotoxic T-lymphocytes. Itll also help with the
lymphocytes that call for memory.
So maybe youve have the measles. Maybe youve had the mumps.
Youre never going to have those again. Why? Because those T-cells
that carry memory, you also need suppressor T-cells. You dont need a
immune system that just fights and wars and kills and destroys because
theres too much inflammation. You dont want to be living in the middle
of a war zone. So a suppressor cell says, hey, cool it down man. Weve
won this fight. Lets go back, set up, have a good day, have a good rest,
and fight again when theres another challenge. So that TH1 is keeping
track of all of that and largely keeps track also of those non-specific
cells, again, the macrophages, the neutrophils, the natural killers.
How do they regulate them? Through what we call cytokines, chemical

messengers. Think of them as chemical emails or faxes. And so thats
very important, not just the cells but also cellular communication. All of
this working, by the way Ty, we dont give one thought to it. There is
more wisdom in one of these cells than there has been in all the libraries
that have ever been or now or every will be. I think thats pretty cool. I
mean Im old enough to remember Tricky Dick Nixon saying were going
to have a cure for cancer in ten years. Well, obviously, he wasnt a math
major. So where is it? Is there, in fact, even a cure for cancer? Again,
Im not smart enough to tell you that there is. I dont make no claim that I
have one. But I do know this. To overcome cancer, to stop it before it
begins or to reverse it once youve contracted it Im pretty much
convinced the immune systems going to have to be a major player.
Ty: [Dr. Keith], talk about white blood cells, the immune system,
and inflammation as it all relates to cancer.
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: Okay. Well, one of thea part of the question
Ty is what is the basic model for cancer? You know, theres the stem
cell model and the metabolic model and so on. But certainly at the core,
if not the cause, many people, and Im one of them, see cancer as
basically a disease of the immune system. Especially in our modern
world I dont think theres any way youre going to stop cells firing off
and going wrong and turning into rogue cells. Theres just too many
toxins. But a good immune system will pick them up very quickly and
eliminate them.
So in a very strong sense cancer is a disease of the immune system. So

you want to do everything in your power to help the immune system.
That means the right kind of nutrients that will help it. It also means
removing the stresses that would perhaps stop it working. And theyre
all inflammatory in nature. I mentioned food and inflammatory foods. But
theres chemicals, you know, pesticides, pollutants, basically in all of
these things, loads of those too, and then dont forget heavy metal
toxicity, you know, mercury and lead and these things not only have
their poisonous parts but theyre highly inflammatory too. So its very
important to unburden the immune system.
And Ive got to say that, you know, emotions can be pretty inflammatory
too. The immune system gets burdened even if a person is upset, sad,
depressed, or whatever. And I would like a minute to talk about that with
cancer. I think its a very crucial element in cancer. But really anything
thats what Im saying is anything thats inflammatory is bad for cancer
and yet we can get a good handle on it. There are ways like you can
take your antioxidants, your phyto nutrients, your omega-3s, brilliant
anti-inflammatory, but removing the triggers like the inflammatory foods
and heavy metals is a better strategy anyway. So thats something we
should all do and its back to my saying, any good health measure is an
anti-cancer measure.

Dr. Roby Mitchell: So with a weakened immune system then that

allows cancer cells to grow better, right. So they do work together, right,
and so and thats another reason why a lotone of the protocols for
many physicians that treat cancer is to bring down the fungal load
because if you bring down the fungal load then the immune system gets
stronger, right. And one of thethe one thing that does kill cancer, or
cure cancer, is your immune system, right. Chemotherapy, radiation,
these things, right, theyif you go to cancer 101 book, right, it will tell
you that they cant cure cancer. The cell kinetics are just against it. That
will never happen. Its basically the same effect as when we give
antibiotics, right. Antibiotics cant cure anything. They can bring down
the number, right, the cell count, such that then your immune system
can take over but its your immune system that does that curing. We
have to understand that the thing that cures cancer is your immune
system.
Ty: Dr. Roby, would you talk about the relationship between fat
cells and cancers?
Dr. Roby Mitchell: So fat cells--we have to delineate normal fat cells
from fat cells that are fat cells because of the inflammatory process,
right. So you know, normal fat cells per se are not necessarily
carcinogenic. Inflammation is carcinogenic. And what inflammation is
basically a war between your immune cells and some critter, right. It can
be a virus, it can be a bacteria. It can be a fungus. It can be cancer. So
if you remember back to the beginning of the Iraq war and that shock
and ah. So thats very analogous to what happens in thewith the
immune system when its trying to fight off a bacteria virus or a fungus to
some degree. So as your immune system, and its a very apropos
analogy to compare the immune system to the military because you do
have all these different soldiers, T-cells and killer T-cells and
macrophages and macrocytes and so forth for cells in the liver and
specialized cells in each tissue in the body that are sentinels that are

surveying the area and then if something goes array then they let loose
and they have all these weapons of mass destruction to make things
happen. So when your temperature goes up, when you get red, when
you have diarrhea, when you have the sniffles, and the watery eyes,
and all that, so all of that is not because of the critter. Thats because of
these chemicals that your immune system is able to release.
And theseyou know, I was an emergency room doctor before and I

can tell you that these chemicals are so powerful that they can kill you
very quickly in a process that we call anaphylactic shock. So if you go
into anaphylactic shock and, again, thats a consequence of the
production of these weapons of mass destruction of the immune system
you die very quickly if youre not in my emergency room. So we have to
respect that the immune system has some really powerful weapons. and
so in a condition less benign than anaphylactic shock where youve
gotten fever and red and that type of thing then its just spitting out some
chemicals that make the environment not so hospitable, not so
hospitable for the bacteria, but also not so hospitable for human cells
either, right. And so this is what creates that toxic situation that over a
long period of time the human cell will try to protect itself from. One of
the things thatthe chemicals that is produced during this inflammatory
process are called growth factors. So growth factors have an estrogenic
effect and estrogens in general make cells go into hyperplasia that we
talked about before so making one cell faster than normal changed to
two, changed to four, changed to eight, again, exponential growth, right?
So those fat cells that are born of an inflammatory situation, right, those
then are linked the formation of cancer.
Ty: Now you mentioned estrogens, is estrogen the hormone that

females have and males have testosterone or do we both have
both? What is the difference between the hormones in females and
males? And then I want to get to a question concerning the effect
of estrogens on cancers.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Theres no difference in the molecular aspects of

the hormones that are in men and women. Women have testosterone,
men have estrogen, both have progesterone and corticosteroids and all
these. Whats different is the amount, right. So women have a higher
amount of estrogen, men have a higher amount of testosterone. Women
have a higher amount of estrogen receptors. And men have a higher
amount of testosterone receptors, right. And so thats key, that marriage
between the receptor the hormone such that a womanI can give a
woman testosterone injections. She will never get as big as a man
because she doesnt have the receptors that a man has. We can put
estrogen into a man and youre not going to turn him into a woman,
right, because he doesnt have the receptors for those estrogens, right,
so. But we all have the samewe all produce the same, exact
molecules as for as estrogens and testosterone and DHEA and
progesterone and these other hormones. its important that we
understand for these estrogens, the human ones anyway, that again
theone of the pharmacologic characteristics of estrogen is that they
make cells multiply, right. And this is very important in pregnancy, right,
because that fetus has to grow so much. And so during pregnancy
estrogen levels go way up and we get, again, we get exponential growth
of a fetus, right.
Other cells, if they get exposed to higher levels of estrogen, right, then
they can grow faster also. So in breast cancer, in prostate cancer, and
in other cancers if estrogen levels are elevated, right, or if were
exposed to a more potent estrogen, right, and this is where were getting
into environmental estrogens then that cancer can grow faster, right.
And its not necessarily that indigenous estrogens cause cancer, right,
but they can certainly like insulin, right? Thats the other cancer
promoting hormone. They can make the fire burn hotter.
Ty: Okay, great analogy. So its like more gasoline on the fire
when you have a higher level of estrogen than you should have
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Correct!
Ty: which lots of articles today that were reading about the effect
of what they call xenoestrogens, which are fake estrogens in the
environment.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Right, right.
Ty: So can you talk about that a little big in relationship to cancer?
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Right and then so thats one of the reasons why we
see such a proliferation of cancer in the west, right, and havent seen in
this west. Were seeing it more in third world countries now. But
because of our exposure to environmental and pharmaceutical
estrogens, right, that has the effect of throwing more gasoline on the
fire. So some of the insecticides, pesticides, fungicides that we use they
have an estrogen effect, right. These are what we call xenoestrogens,
xeno meaning foreign. So those, again, long term exposures so we
have to think about estrogen exposure and lifetime exposure as we do
like with radiation exposure.
So if youre a radiation technologist, right, you where a little badge on

you that gives us a Geiger counter amount of radiation that you are
getting exposed to over a lifetime and you get to here, in other words, to
where you cant be exposed to anymore radiation. the same thing with
these estrogens, right, so there is a lifetime exposure of estrogen that
dictates your risk for different cancers, right. So you are producing
estrogens as a human. As a man, youre producing estrogen, as a
woman, theyre producing estrogens. Women produce more. So if we
go adding on top of that environmental estrogens then that increases
your lifetime exposure of estrogen. If you take birth control pills that
increases your lifetime exposure of estrogen. If you take synthetic
hormone replacement after menopause that increases your lifetime
exposure of estrogen. If you stay overweight with these fat cells that are
born of inflammation, these growth factors, right, that is increasing your
lifetime exposure of estrogen.
Ty: So its really a cumulative effective when were talking about

the exposure to estrogens
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Exactly! Exactly!
Ty: as opposed to just one off.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Right.
Ty: Okay. The information from Dr. Mitchell was really an eye
opener. Estrogens can make the fire burn hotter when it comes to
cancer. So then I began to think about pesticides on the food and a
possible effect on cancer. Talk about pesticides and cancer. One of
the things that I have heard thus far from other doctors is that
pesticides have an estrogenic effect on the body. So can you talk
about that?
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Right.. Yeah. We talk about disrupting

endocrine integrity, endocrine disruptors. Now the hormonal system is a
brilliant system. I mean youre talking about substances that can be
found in your body at parts per million, parts per billion, parts per 150
billion. I mean theres not a lot compared to everything else in your
body. Yet you put these pesticides in there, some of them will outright
destroy a hormone, for instance, on contact. But in many ways some of
them are mimicking because thats the way they work in the natural
world to disrupt the insect reproductive system and such. So we have
that larger effect in the macro environment or in our environment.

And when we alter the endocrine function we disrupt a process, normal

metabolic processes that keep us young and functioning and vital. And
so this also relates to enzymes because these pesticides as well as
being endocrine disruptors, they destroy the enzymes that are the
essential tools of life that also are found in the body at very minute
levels relative the entire content of the bodys liquid mineral, etc.
content. And so at parts per million these pesticides not only disrupt the
endocrine integrity but destroy enzymes and our ability to break things
down and bind things out. So its a corruption, a vicious corruption, not
only of the food supply but our own functional integrity that gives rise to
the very cancers that were trying to prevent which is again why I say
youve got to clean up what goes into your body. You cannot subsist on
pesticide latent foods and overcome cancer ultimately.
If you have enough of these toxic pollutants coming in from day one
every day, never an escape from it, because you dont know. A lot of
times theyre now invisible. They come in through pesticides in food.
They come in through other contaminates through the water if were not
purifying it and structuring it in a proper way. And that these things will,
over time, deplete the mineral content of the body, the stores that we
have that would normally come from the soils, from the food that we eat.
And at that point, again, these are subclinical, theyre not overt
deficiencies like scurvy or beriberi but theyre subtle.
Over time they are diagnosed as named diseases by modern medical

doctors and physicians and treated as if they are a deficiency of some
sort of patent medical drug approved by the FDA, which is absurd. We
dont have a drug deficiency. There is no such thing as a drug deficiency
disease, and every symptom you take away with a drug you add ten
others because youre adding more of the toxic pollutants that your body
is then having to give up the minerals to neutralize and bind and excrete
and get it out of the body.
So as you deplete those minerals you have less of a defense. Your

immune system becomes more disregulated and now the toxins can
proliferate unabated. And at that point they impact the metabolic
functioning of every cell in the body or specific areas if you have enough
strength to mobilize those toxic poisons in those cells, you might wall it
off in a tumor. But a lot of times now we see a systemic growth of
cancer because we no longer have certain minerals like silica which are
critical for connective tissue integrity. And that is what keeps a tumor,
lets say, or a cancer or a cancerous growth from metastasizing
because it chews through connective tissue in this way. So there are a
lot of aspects to the toxin factor but you cant disconnect it from the
nutrient factor, the mineral factor. So they go hand-in-hand.

Ty: Talk about the effect on the immune system of the

environmental toxicities because a recurring theme that Im
hearing from doctors that Ive interviewed is cancer cant exist if
the immune system is functioning properly. So talk about that.
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Yeah. Well, the toxins impact the liver, the liver
is your main organ for detoxification to bind and eliminate and excrete
through the colon as solid waste or ascending to the kidneys as a liquid
waste. If the livers not doing its job, of course, what gets to the kidneys
is often a form that the kidneys cant handle very well and then the
toxins then circulate through the system. The body tries to find a way to
tuck it away somewhere else. Now a big way that we interact with these
toxins is through the gastrointestinal tract, the alimentary canal. And
these toxins are going to impact on the micro flora.
The micro flora is the seat of the immune system along with the liver but
in the intestines are 70 or so percent of the immune system is there.
And when we impact our healthy flora, the good gut ecology we impact
negatively our ability to have a normal interaction with the outside world
because technically that gastrointestinal tract, that alimentary canal from
your mouth, and we get astrological--I love to do this--out through the
planet Uranusyou get ityou have this tube thats technically outside
of your body even though its in. Its the outside environment carried
through and theres that barrier, that epithelial barrier that is yourthat
epithelial integrity is critical to protect you from things that shouldnt get
in including these toxic poisons or even metabolic waste.
And when that barrier is corrupted via toxins, additives, preservatives,

colorings, flavorings, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, plastifiers,
GMOs, genetically modified ingredients now, and heavy metals
especially like mercury, you pierce that barrier. You impact, you create
inflammation and how you have leaky gut. And the bacteria themselves
are no longer in a hospitable environment so you dysbiotic organisms
growing, you have candida, yeast, albicans, over growth, and different
forms of candida. And theres so many things that go wrong its amazing
that we survive it all but thats a testament to the creator that weve been
created to withstand so much assault.
But we have a limit and that limit, of course, is when the toxins
overwhelm our ability to deal with them, the accumulation can no longer
be held in check. Then we have that disregulation and these cells
proliferate and our immune no longer has the strength and integrity to
be that barrier, to fight it off, to keep it in check because of all these
other things that occurredthe liver toxins, the intestinal toxins, etc. So
this is where the immune system is corrupted, the gut primarily along
with the liver and thats why I always start my focal point of healing for
anybody by working with the liver and the gut. And then we are not even
necessarily chasing a symptom, chasing a disease but were correcting
the terrain, you or the environment, at its source.
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: The immune system is powerful. Its the

first line of defense that we have against bacteria, viruses, pathogens,
and cancer cells. And what a lot of people dont realize is that the
immune system is powerful. It has over hundreds of functions in the
body and there are billions, billions, of immune cells at your disposal
every day. And when I think of our immune system I think of a star wars,
galactic battle going on because the immune system really does some
incredible things.
One of the immune cells will shoot out specific particles that will blast
open a virus in a cancer cell, other immune cells will secret specific
chemical poisons to cause those pathogens to die, other immune cells
will send out these long, sticky, gooey pods and engulf the pathogen
and the cancer cell and recycle it and use its body its body parts. So the
immune system is very powerful. And the important thing to know about
your immune system is that 80 percent of your immune system is in the
mucosal lining of your intestinal tract. So if you dont have a healthy
intestinal track, if youre feeding your body a lot of junk the typical SAD
foods, SAD foods, Standard American Diet food, your immune system is
going to be compromised.
Ty: Wow! So you talk about 80 percent of the immune system

being generated in the mucosal lining. Could antibiotics have
anything to do with the compromised immune systems that were
seeing now?
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Absolutely! I mean the antibiotics that

are prescribed, the antibiotics that are in the dairy products, in the foods
and the animals that people are eating absolutely effects that flora and
makes you much more vulnerable and have less defense.
Ty: Talk about the role that environmental toxins play in the
cancer equation.
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Environmental toxicity plays a huge role.

As a matter of factand I was shocked when I heard these numbers,
but the EPA estimates that theres 74 billion pounds of chemicals being
produced every day, every day, in the United States alone.
Ty: 74 billion pounds
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Per day in the United States alonehow

do we wrap our brain around that?
Ty: Wow!
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: So when you look at environmental

toxicity its a huge issue because many of those chemicals have
infiltrated, as you mentioned our water supply, our food supply, the air
we breathe. And many of them cause cancer and many of them mimic
estrogen which drives cancer and many of them mimic hormone
disruptors in the body so they cause a lot of problems. So when we look
at it from a macro perspective its huge. Take it one step a little bit closer
and we look at EMFs, and electro pollution.
For people who dont think that EMFs are a problem I encourage them
to go to the bioinitiativereport.org to take a look. 27 scientists from
various countries looked at 10 years of data and their conclusion was
that EMFs cause cancer, brain tumors, disrupt the immune system,
suppress the reproductive functions of the body, affect your sleep and
your memory, so EMFs are a huge problem. And its been labeled one
of the most insidious toxins on the planet because we dont see it, we
dont feel it, we dont taste it, but its affecting us 24/7. for example, in
this office here you can go to antennasearch.org and find out how many
antenna are within a four mile radius. So I just Googled and put the
address here. Theres 91 antennas, cell towers, and a 144 antennas
within a four mile radius of this location.
Ty: Wow!

Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Now as you move closer to big cities like
Atlanta youre looking at hundreds, like 200, 300, 400 cell towers in just
a few miles. So were literally swimming in a soup of EMFs and electro
smog.
Ty: So when we say EMF were talking about electromagnetic

frequencies that would disrupt the bodys normal flow of energy,
correct?
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Absolutely! Because if EMFs can go

through brick walls what do you think its doing when it goes through our
body? its causing damage and that damage is accumulative.
Ty: Right.
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Now if you look atif we continue to

look at environmental toxicity and we bring it one step closer we look in
our homes, just look under the sink, look into the cabinets, in peoples
closets, the average household has over a thousand chemical toxins in
their homethe cleaners, the sprays, the artificial candles, all those
things are contributing to their environmental, their home environmental
toxicity.
Bring it one step closer to what people put on their skin, the average
person is exposed to a 167 chemicals per day from the lotions and
potions they put on their skin because anything you put on your skin is
absorbed directly into the body. And again, many of those chemicals
have been found in tumors because theyre disrupting natural processes
of the body.
Bring it one step closer into your environment, your internal

environment. If your live is overloaded because of the hundreds of
chemicals its processing every day or youre not drinking enough water
so your kidneys are sluggish, or youre constipated because youre
eating junk food and you dont have good flora.
All those pathogens and those toxins in your body are going to keep
recirculating so when we look at toxicity we can look at it from a large
perspective, a macro perspective, and then take it all the way down into
the body, into a micro perspective and where we are burdened with
toxins. So we have to be very proactive about learning to detoxify the
body properly and changing our lifestyle and eating better foods.

Ty: How does sugar relate to cancer?
Dr. David Jockers: Well, sugar is a fuel for cancer cells so basically
cancer cells they have an altered metabolism, an altered physiology and
theyre not able to produce energy from aerobic metabolism. And so the
mitochondria itself is damaged. And so they depend on anaerobic
metabolism so without oxygen which is basically breaking down sugar.
So they utilize sugar and they produce a lot of waste products
particularly one that were probably all familiar with, lactic acid. And so
they produce a high amount of acids and they consume a tremendous
amount of energy in our system through sugar.
And so basically when we take the sugar out were taking out the
preferred fuel source for the cancer cells. So they become weakened in
that state. As opposed to when were fueling our body with a lot of sugar
not only has it caused the free radical damage, which is what actually
damages the mitochondria to begin with, and creates this whole
process, but at the same time were also providing the preferred fuel
source for more cancer cell development in our body.
See, what most people dont realize is all of us have cancer cells. Were
all developing them every single day. Typically our immune system
would hunt them down and regulate them. However, when weve got
immune deficiencies, which is another problem with sugar it weakens
our bodys innate immune system and so when that happens now these
cancer cells will start to grow without being checked, being kept in check
by our bodys natural immune response. So we just continue to dump in
the sugar.

Again, were weakening our immune system and were strengthening

the cancer cells. Were actually giving them an advantage in our body.
So you know, you can feed one or the other. You can feed your immune
system and strengthen that or you can feed the cancer and strength en
that. and I think if we all have this understanding and this knowledge
and we really knew that, obviously, we want to feed our immune
system. I recommend a very calorie restricted ketogenic cleans. And
even though it seems extreme its not any more extreme than
chemotherapy. I think we could all agree upon that. its a lot less painful,
a lot less side effects, and you know, the results are pretty amazing of
what can happen as you starve out that cancer, weaken it, and allow the
immune system to do what it was designed to do.
Ty: So KC lets talk about sugar. You had mentioned low glycemic
index, low sugar diets, and the effect that, the positive effect that
that has on folks health. That is also a key stone that Im finding
throughout this report, this investigative miniseries that Im doing.
Almost every doctor that Ive talked to that treats cancer says that
one of the first things that they tell their patients to do is to
eliminate refined sugars because of the fact that sugar is the fuel
for cancer cells.
KC Craichy: You know, one of the presentations, I believe it was by Dr.

Block, this weekend that I was a part of that program, he suggested
that cancer cells consume glucose at the rate, Im going to say 20
percent but he might have said 40 percent more so than typical cells. Its
a vacuum sound with sugar in cancer cells.

So all this time you see these cancer centers giving ice cream to
patients its like what are they thinking about? One century ago sugar
was a delicacy, you know, so youd have maybe mom would make an
apple pie or youd go to the store and get a little treat or something like
that. Five pounds a year its estimated would be the intake of sugar per
year per person on the average. Today, its a whopping 150 plus
pounds per person per year on the average, and somebody is eating
our sugar. So the average is pretty high. The point is people are eating
their weight in sugar a year. So sugar, we talk about, its a big problem.
Yes, its a big problem.
I mean sugars wonderful. Everybody likes sugar. I like sugar but I

choose not to thrive on sugar. See sugar should have been in our fun
foods, building blocks, fuel, and fun. Okay, fun foods, every now and
then you have sugar. But sugar, a 100 grams of carbohydrates. I saw a
study that was either a 100 grams or 200 grams recently where it said
that like you had a pizza meal, for instance, or a pasta meal. Within 15
minutes of eating that meal your leukocytic index, which is basically
essentially a white blood cell, how many bad guys can it eat in an hour?
The study was suggesting it should be about 16 per white blood cell in
an hour. But within this carbohydrate meal within 15 minutes youve
dropped from 16 to 1.9 and hold that for hours.
Ty: So you have 10 percent capacity that you used to.
KC Craichy: 10 percent capacity and basically these patients are often

in an immune compromised state to start with. Some of the treatments
they are getting are taking their immunity down to almost nothing and
then theyre throwing sugar in on top of that which directly feeds the
problem but it also directly takes a whack at the immunity. Its a terrible
cycle that people need to consider.
Ty: [Burton], talk about corruption. You mentioned that now twice
thus far. What about the current medical paradigm do you see as
being corrupt?
Burton Goldberg: You got to separate medicine. Theres preventative

medicine, theres the emergency room and trauma, and theres
degenerative disease. You cant beat mainstream medicine in the
emergency room and trauma. For prevention, theyre ignorant. For
degenerative disease, theyre guilty of crimes against humanity. The
medical profession does not tell the truth. And many of the systems that

they use are truly not healthy. For instance, cancerthe oncologists use
sugar to carry the radiologic molecule into the cancer cell to show up on
the x-ray, the PET scan. The oncologist knows that sugar feeds cancer
because thats why he uses it as a Trojan horse. And when you finish
your chemo in the conventional setting they give you cookies and ice
cream or candy. That is tantamount to putting gasoline on a fire. That
means these oncologists are guilty of crimes against humanity. They are
killing their patients.
Ty: Strong words for a very passionate man. I really appreciate his
honesty and his candor and an appreciating quote. I want to make
it clear that were not knocking doctors here, were not knocking
individual doctors. We know that theyre doing the best that they
can. Theyve just been taught inappropriate methods to treat
cancer. And let me make another distinction too that Burton made.
Trauma medicine in the United States is second to none. If I were
in the studio here and somebody came in and took a machete and
whack off my arm, Im not going to go run out into the yard and
grab some aloe vera gel and rub it in my open wound. Im going to
head down to the hospital and theyre going to have some brilliant
surgeons there that can probably sew on the arm and probably
work again. Ill probably have full functionality or pretty close to it.
So were not knocking the entire medical system. In trauma

medicine we are second to none. What were talking about
specifically in this docu-series is the treatment of cancer and the
treatment of degenerative disease and the fact that the doctors, the
medical professionals have just been taught incorrect protocols.
But I wanted to make that clear so that we dontnobody thinks
that were knocking doctors. Were not knocking doctors. Doctors
are brilliant people. Theyre a lot smarter than I am and so we really
appreciate them.
Ty: [Dr. Buttar], talk briefly about the connection between sugar
and cancer cells.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Cancer istheres certain common characteristics

that all cancer cells have. One of those characteristics is that cancer is
an obligate glucose metabolizer meaning that it has an obligation to
metabolize glucose. It only survives on sugar. Other types of
components that would commonalities in all cancer, cancer is a highly
anaerobic scenario. Cancer likes anaerobic scenario. Cancer does not

like oxygen action and works as against cancer. Another component

would be cancer is an acidic process. So in an alkaline environment
cancer does not do well. So theres many common characteristics that
cancer has. One of those is that it is an obligate glucose metabolizer. So
if you can reduce the amount of simple sugars you are effectively going
to be reducing the food supply to the cancer and thats the reason I
made that comment that we want to reduce the amount of sugar. Now I
use, for example, when we give IV fluids to cancer patients through our
treatments sometimes Ill use dextrose, D5W. Now thats sugar. So why
would I use sugar? Because I use it as a Trojan horse.
So theres only five things that can enter into a cancer cell. Theres
water, theres vitamin C, theres sugar, rubidium and caesium [ph]. And
as you know that glucose, sugar, and vitamin C, the receptor sites for
sugar and vitamin C are identical, morphologically identical. So when
you actually give vitamin C to an individual intravenously the cancer
sees that as sugar. It opens it up and allows the sugar to come in. So I
use that sugar as a Trojan horse to put vitamin C and other types of
things. I kind of use it as insulin potentiated type technique. I used to
use insulin potentiated low dose chemotherapy. I stopped using that 15
years ago. 1999 was the last time I used low dose insulin potentiated
chemotherapy. But I still use sugar as a Trojan horse to get certain
things into the cancer.
Patrick Quillin who wrote, Beating Cancer with Nutrition, a very good
friend of mine, in his book says that 42 46 percent of cancer patients
die of cachexia, of malnutrition. How many oncologists are addressing
malnutrition. No one. In fact, what do they do? They give people Ensure,
which is sugar and you know that cancer is an obligate glucose
metabolizer. It needs sugar to survive. In fact, one of the techniques is
to reduce the amount of sugar so that it cant feed the cancer. But
theyre actually giving gasoline to the fire and then expecting to put out
the fire. You cant put out a fire with gasoline. So thats 42 to 46 percent.
Now if you look at other statistics, what does a cancer patient actually
die of? They usually end up dying from some type of an opportunistic
infectionpneumonia or whatever, urinary tract infection becomes
septic, whatever. They also die of multi organ system failure because
the tumor burden is so great the system cant keep up, the entire blood
disgraces that result from this. So really when you look at it cancer has
never really killed anybody. Its the sequelae of cancer. Its the
consequences of cancer that actually kill people. And if we can start to,
one, understand whats causing cancer, because cancer is not caused
bywhy does one person get cancer and another person doesnt?

Like I said, theres a genetic cause. And theresthe one thing that I
believe that this current administration, it may only be the one thing that
theyve done rightokay, thats opinion and Ill refrain from being
political herebut there was a presidential report, presidential cancer
report, that came out in 2010 and they admitted for the first time that I
know of in the history of medicine that cancer is an environmental issue
and they need to look at more environmental causes of cancer. And this
was a 250-some page report which we have available on our website for
download for free. But itsthe essence of it, I mean this 250-some page
report, the essence of it is they recognize that the number one cause of
cancer is environmental and there has not been adequate addressing of
that cause. Nobodys ever said that before and thats exactly the
answer.
Again, all disease, not just cancer, is a deficiency of some type of a

nutrient or its a toxicity and its dissolved as a toxicity. It can be a
toxicity plus a deficiency, or it can just be the toxicity but if you can
address those two things then youve got a chance of actually resolving
the situation.
Dr. Patrick Quillin: Instead of saying seven minutes, doctor gives a

prescription, we need a new system that says whats the underlying
cause? Lets see if we can nip this thing in the bud. Etiology is the
official scientific phrase that says lets look at the patients diet. Do they
have mercury poisoning? How much sleep are you getting? Lets look at
pesticides, look at your bowel habits. We could spend the rest of the
time just talking about the 100 trillion organisms in our gut. Theyre
called commensal. Commensal is eating at the dinner table with us. And

for better or for worse they have a huge influence on our health. We
dont even talk about that in medicine. In 1908 Elie Metchnikoff won a
noble prize in medicine for his work with the immune system. Hes
considered the father of modern immunology and his work with the
bacteria that makes yogurt. And he said death begins in the colon. And
for many patients thats true.
And so what do we do? We putgive them narcotics which is going

toit causes a slowing down of nerve impulses. Thats good, shuts
down the pain, slows down the nerve impulses that go to the muscles
too, which now causes constipation. If the patient had a problem with
dysbiosis or a lack of proper organisms in the gut its going to get worse
now. So I guess modern medicine needs to look instead of this being
just a business, and its okay to make money at healthcare as long as
youre helping people, but instead of it just being a business lets make it
a business that looks at underlying causes. And instead of Mrs. Jones
the new diabetic, saying 20 years worth of annuities, look at this. Were
going toshes worth a quarter of a million. Lets see if we can get her
out of diabetes. Lets see if we can change the underlying cause, the
same thing with cancer.
Ty: [Dr. Connealy], I honestly dont know another medical doctor

that uses this many different approaches all under one roof.
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Right. Theres probably no other clinic in

North America that houses the staff and the equipment and the array of
treatments that we have because we dontwere not just interested in
whats available in the United States, we reach outside of the United
States in the world to find all the treatments like GcMAF is not even
made in the United States so we get our GcMAF from another country.
And so
Ty: GcMAF? What do you mean? What does that stand for?
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: GcMAF is a macrophage activating factor.

Macrophages are a part of your immune system. And so when you have
an illness, and Im not just talking about cancer, but many chronic
illnesses, we make an enzyme called nagalase and nagalase poisons
the macrophages inhibiting/prohibiting them from doing their job. And so
that macrophage activating factor is a substance that you can give
internally either injection form, inhalation form, oral form, from
everything from autism to cancer.

Ty: And so that wouldthe macrophages areyou call them the

pac-man. So they eatwhat do they eat?
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: They eat the things that your body doesnt
like. So, for example, viruses and bacteria and fungi and chemicals and
toxins, everything that is attacking the body that is unable to do its job
and have a functioning immune system.
Mike Adams: Most of the so-called success that they would claim in
radiotherapy treatments or chemotherapy treatments is based on
shrinking a tumor. Well, but most of these tumors have cancer stem
cells. So you shrink the other cells in the tumor, you physically reduce
the size of the tumor, this is a symptomatic difference. It doesnt kill the
stem cells that are going to grow back and spread the cancer
throughout the body. You havent addressed the systemic problem. And
what youve even done is youve weakened the immune systems ability
to deal with other cancers. Chemotherapy also damages the brain. It
causes chemo brain. Thats a common term. Every oncologist knows
this is the case. It damages the kidneys, it damages the liver. So what
youre doing is with chemotherapy you are creating systemic damage to
the bodys ability to heal itself and to remove toxins. This is why cancer
treatments cause cancer which feeds into the profit cycle of the cancer
industry which is a for profit industry. The cancer industry is exploding.
And the GMO industry may in fact turn out to be the single best
recruiting tool for the cancer industry. So its no wonder that they tend to
operate in some of the same ways, oppression of scientist intimidation,
oppression and censorship of scientific information, shutting down
anyone who asks questions.
[Music]
Ty: Powerful show today, lots of good information on the immune

system. Hopefully you understand a little bit more about the
immune system, the way that it works, the way that it protects our
body. Hopefully you understand a little bit more about the way that
sugar compromises that immune system. In tomorrows episode
were going to learn some heavy stuff like heavy metals, how do
heavy metals affect your immune system? How do other
environmental toxins affect your immune system? What about
genetically modified organisms? What about dental procedures?
Were going to cover the whole spectrum tomorrow and figure out

how we can best stay away from these environmental toxins and
foods that compromise immunity.
[Music]
Ty: Im here with Elaine and Elaine was diagnosed with cancer a
few years ago. So I want to get you to tell us about the cancer and
what did you do to treat it and what are you up to today?
Elaine: Sure. Thanks Ty. I was diagnosed in 2008, February 2008, with
a recurrence, a surprise recurrence after being clean for six years, with
stage IV non-Hodgkins lymphoma. I was covered with disease from
here to here. And my oncologist insisted that I do traditional protocol
and I just knew in my heart it wasnt for me.
So we parted ways and I actually went down to Mexico to do some

treatments but then came back and I was in big trouble. I was in really
big trouble. So I found a facility near me in the Washington D.C. area
that did some non-traditional, integrative protocols and in about 18
months I was told that I was in remission and I was disease free. But it
had come back once and I was very reticent to be excited because it
probably would have come back again.
So what I did was I went on a journey after I fell to my knees and I

looked up and I said, God, I know Im not going to die. Just tell me what
you want me to learn. So I went on a learning journey. And I put a lot of
the pieces together. I found there was no one place that had all the

information or practicals. So I went on a journey. And what I learned

was that we have to take care of the immune system.
We have to get our pH in balance, and we have to get into this alkaline,
oxygen rich lifestyle. And once I learned that my body just responded
incredibly. I have become a green juice-a-holic. Im totally addicted to
green juice, real green juice, because I dont do fruit because of the
sugar. Im very high alkaline.
So what I do now is I have totally changed my direction and I help
people understand. And in January 2012 I started what we lovingly call
Renewed Living Inc. And we make extraordinary health easy. And I
teach a very practical way to implement what real health looks like.
So I encourage anybody whos looking at this to get a good, strong

basis and just ask yourself every day how can I stay alkaline and how
can I get oxygen into my body? And the answer is always in the
question. And with that you will always look and feel extraordinary.
Ty: Wow!


Episode 3: Franken Foods & Cancer Causers


Episode 3: Franken-Foods & Cancer Causers
[Music]
Ty: Welcome back! Thanks for tuning in tonight. I hope you

enjoyed last nights show where we talked about the immune
system. We talked about the way that sugar compromises
immunity and a whole host of other things that hit that immune
system knocking it down a notch so that youre not able to protect
yourself. So today, were going to learn some heavy stuff. Were
going to learn about heavy metals, the effect they have on the
immune system. Were going to talk a lot about genetically
modified organisms, learn about dental toxins, and a whole host of
other environmental toxins, toxins on our food, that compromise
that immune system. Youre going to learn a lot from tonights
show. Im glad youre listening, glad youre watching, enjoy the
show.
Ty: What are GMOs?
Jeffrey Smith: Genetically modified organismsyou take genes from

one species and force it into the DNA of other species. Now the GM
crops on the market, theres nine of them, and the primary traits are
either herbicide tolerance or pesticide production. So herbicide
tolerance, round-up ready is the most popular, Round-Up ready soy,
corn, cotton, canola, sugar beets, and alfalfa. Theyre engineered with
genes from bacteria and pieces of virus, etc. not to die, the plant doesnt
die when its sprayed with Round-Up herbicide which normally kills
plants. So it makes weeding easier for farmers. They can simply spray
over the crops and kill all the weeds but not the Round-Up ready crops.
And the other genetically modified trait thats popular is pesticide
production. They take a gene from bacteria in the soil called the bacillus
thuringiensis or BT for short. And take that gene which produces a
known insecticide and put it into corn and cotton. So when a bug,
certain types of bugs, eat or try to bite the plant the toxin gets released
and then it breaks open little holes in their stomach walls and they die.
So now we eat that insecticide and we also eat the Round-Up laden
crops. So were eating two types of poisons in these GM crops.
Ty: So what are the effects on humans of eating BT toxin and

Round Up pesticide?
Jeffrey Smith: Well, it was promised to us up and down that BT toxin

was safe because it only affected certain insects. That turned out to be
not true. The BT toxin in its natural form, which is used as a spray or

even organic agriculture has been linked to inflammation, immune

problems, and also tissue damage in mice, but immune problems in
humans. BT toxin pokes holes in the cell walls of insects and breaks
open their stomach to kill them. its now found to poke holes in human
cells. So this means that it might create leaky gut or holes in the walls of
our intestines that allow undigested food proteins, chemicals and
bacteria directly into the blood stream. And this is linked to cancer. its
also linked to autism, autoimmune disease, food allergies, inflammation
in general, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, a whole host of diseases and
disorders. The FDA does not require a single safety study on GMOs.
Now this was determined in a policy in 1992 that was overseen by
Michael Taylor. Michael Taylor is the former attorney to Monsanto. And
he was given a position that was designed for him by the FDA when the
agency was told by the White House to promote GMOs. And Taylors
policy falsely claimed that the agency wasnt aware of information
showing that GMOs were significantly differently, therefore, no testing or
labeling was necessary. Companies like Monsanto could determine on
their own if their GMOs are safe. And Monsanto told us that agent
orange and PCBs and DDT were safe and got that wrong, maybe theyll
get it right with GMOs is the thinking by the FDA. Taylor them became
Monsantos vice president and chief lobbyist, now hes back at the FDA
as the US food safety Czar.
Ty: its almost like you have the fox guarding the hen house.
Jeffrey Smith: its more than almost. We have a situation where the
claims in the policy, they werent aware of information showing that
GMOs were different, was a complete lie. It was a total fabrication. The
lawsuit forced 44 thousand secret FDA memos into the public domain
and it showed that the overwhelming consensus among the scientists
working at the FDA was exactly the opposite. They said GMOs might
create allergens, toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems, urged
their superiors to require testing, complained about the draft of the
policy and their concerns were ignored and even denied.
Ty: Now when you say that they are not significantly, or at least
Monsanto said they are not significantly different than what?
Jeffrey Smith: Thank the normal foods.
Ty: The normal food
Jeffrey Smith: Right.

Ty: Oh, so since theyre not significantly different than normal

food it doesntthey dont need to tell us that theyre doing this to
us.
Jeffrey Smith: They dont need to tell us, they dont need to test it.
They can just put it on the market and assume that its safe. And if they
want to do tests they can do tests. And if they dont want toand the
tests that they do tobacco science, completely rigged to avoid finding
problems. We catch the red handed.
Ty: So the only testing is required are self tests that they submit
and then, of course, its going to
Jeffrey Smith: They can submit them if they want and they usuallyif
they do submit just summaries they will never give a reviewer enough
information to determine safety. The tests typically on animals end in 90
days. So you feed an animal a rat, for example, lets say 33 percent of
its diet is a genetically modified corn for 90 days. And if it looks good
after 90 days you feed it to humans for their entire lives. Now a research
team headed by Dr. Seralini decided to extend the study of 90 days to
two years, the approximate lifespan of a rat. Now Seralini had been
reviewing the submissions to France and to the European union by
Monsanto and saw that Round-Up ready corn fed to rats showed more
than 50 different statistically significant changes in the animals
compared to the control. And Monsanto said, oh, theres no problem.
And Seralini says, what do you mean theres no problem? This is very
serious and published it showing that there was very significant signs of
toxicity. So he secretly extended the study using the same type of rats,
the same control group size, but many, many more parameters that they
tested for and starting after the 90 days in the next month the first rat
started to get tumors. And by the end up to 80 percent of the female rats
had tumors, almost all of them mammary gland tumors, up to 50 percent
of male rats had tumors compared to far less in the controls.
Ty: Im blown away from that information from Jeffrey Smith. I

really believe that this is unconscionable that the actual Seralini
studies showed 80 percent of the female rates, 50 percent of the
male rats got cancerous tumors from eating this genetically
modified corn, which by the way is in everything. Now why do we
not label genetically modified organisms in the United States
except for Vermont which recently passed the new GMO labeling,
nobody else labels them. Why not? its because of whats called
the substantially equivalent doctrine. This was authored by a man
named Michael Taylor who was an attorney for Monsanto in the
90s. and he said that since genetically modified organisms are
substantially equivalent to food that we dont need to test them.
We dont need to label them. And so we dont need to know whats

in our food even if it is GMOs which the Seralini studies showed up
do cause cancer. Interestingly now, Michael Taylor who is
responsible for the entire nation thinking that genetically modified
organisms are substantially equivalent to food he is now the
deputy commission of food safety with the FDA. His nickname is
the Food Safety Czar. So the man that introduced GMOs or one of
the men responsible for introducing these into our food supply is
now in charge of protecting us from dangers in our food supply?
Can anybody say that the fox is guarding the hen house? It sure
seems so to me. And in addition to this there was 44 thousand
documents that the FDAs own scientists released that showed
that genetically modified organisms do cause genetic damage, do
cause damage to DNA, which can result in cancer.
Jeffrey Smith: Round-Up can promote cancer in many, many ways.

First of all, its an antibiotic and it kills off beneficial gut bacteria causing
an over growth of the bad gut bacteria. Now this over growth of negative
gut bacteria is linked to certain cancerscolorectal cancer for example.
The over growth of negative gut bacteria can produce zonulin which can
create leaky gut, it opens the gaps in the cell walls on the intestines and
leaky gut is linked to cancer. Round Up also damages a set of enzymes
called the CYP enzymes which are part of the detoxification process
and CYP enzymes are linked to cancer. And so its interesting, and
theyre linked in different way, but if youre damaging the CYP enzymes
or certain parts of that family you may be linkedyou may be promoting
cancer and no one is looking. The CYP enzymes also should help the
body detoxify chemotherapy. Theres certain ones that will help the live
detoxify. And one of the problems with Round Up is it can disable some
of those enzymes that are involved with detoxification. So any toxic

influence on the environment can be much more toxic when youre also
exposed to Round-Up or its active ingredient glyphosate.
So even the chemotherapy taken for the cancer, which may have been
promoted by Round-Up may actually not get out of the body as easily
and be much worse. Round-Up also keylates or binds with certain trace
minerals like zinc and zinc becomes more deficient in the presence of
Round-Up. Itll still be there but it cant be assimilated because its
locked in and bound with the glyphosate molecule. And zinc deficiency
is linked to certain cancers and its being tested as a possible adjunct or
supplement for cancer therapy. In addition, Round-Up specifically can
promote enhance breast cell growth and in tiny, tiny amounts in parts
per trillion. So these are the amount ofthis is the amount of Round-Up
thats already in our air and in our rain water and in our drinking water
because of the overuse of Round-Up because of the Round-Up ready
crops. Through the gut bacteria overgrowth it can promote inflammation
in the gut. And inflammation is also linked to cancer. So Round-Up has
all these different ways, like a perfect storm. Now there are certain
tissues that are the target tissues for Round-Up and they accumulateit
accumulates in those tissues and those are the cancers that are on the
rise in the US population, for example, thyroid cancer, liver cancer, and
kidney cancer. So theres a lot of indications out there that Round-Up
and its active ingredient glyphosate may be promoting the growth of
cancer in the United States.
Ty: Wow! So it sounds to me like were going to havemillions of

people are watching thisguaranteed theres tens of thousands of
cancer patients watching this. To me it sounds like one of the most
important things they should avoid in their diet is anything that
contains Round-Up or that has been sprayed with Round-Up
because of all of these factors, all of the linkage to cancer but also
the fact that it inhibits the CYP enzyme
Jeffrey Smith: CYP enzymes, yeah
Ty: from detoxing the chemo because many of the people are
probably taking chemotherapy.
Jeffrey Smith: Yeah. and I would say its notit used to be just
important to avoid the GMOs, the Round-Up ready soy and corn which
are in practically everything, and they contain higher levels of Round-
Up. The cottonseed oil, the canola oil, sugar beets, sugar, which is most
of the sugar is from sugar beets, but actually its worse now because
Round-Up is used as a ripening agent on all sorts of grains and beans
and fruits and vegetables. So its used for sugar cane. So youll find it in
molasses and what not. Youll find it sprayed on wheat. its spray on
barely and rice and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and berries
and citrus groves. So the way to go really to avoid Round-Up, I mean
you can find the 160 types of fruits vegetables and plants that have
been approved for high levels of Round-Up residue by the EPA but its
jut easier to go all organic. And that would be anyone that has a
diagnosis of cancer might want to do that to prevent exposure to
glyphosate and some other nasty chemicals that are found on
conventional foods. Now the BT toxin produced by the corn, because it
promotes allergic reactions or immune system reactions, in humans and
animals can create inflammation. And again, inflammation is linked to
cancer. Now the BT toxin, its interesting, they found the BT toxin and
Round-Up in the blood of pregnant women tested in Canada. In fact, 93
percent of the pregnant women had BT toxin in their blood and so too
did 80 percent of their unborn fetuses. Now the BT toxin may have
gotten into the blood through the leaky gut that it itself created by poking
holes in the cell walls. If it gets in the blood it can be cytotoxic damaging
the red blood cells, and this was found in the case of a mouse study
where BT toxin damaged the red blood cells. If it gets into the fetus the
fetus dont have blood brain barriers well developed so it might end up
in the brains of the fetuses. So you have a hole poking toxin in the
brains of the next generation in North America.
Now whats interesting is 93 percent of the pregnant women tested had

the BT toxin in their blood but BT toxin washed out quickly. So they
must have had a frequent intake of BT toxin but it wasnt Mexico where
they eat corn tortillas every day. It was Canada and most of the corn
theyre eating is already devoid of BT toxin, high fructose corn syrup has
no BT toxin left in it, corn oil doesnt. So the authors of the study
guessed that the source of the BT toxin was probably the milk and meat
of animals that do eat BT toxin as part of their daily regimen. And so for
some reason they were saying that the BT toxin survived digestion in
the animals and then survived digestion in humans and then maybe
poked holes in the walls of the intestines and then got into the blood. I
think a more plausible explanation comes from a 2004 study, which is
the only human feeding study ever done on commercialized GMOs.
They foundand this was with soybeans, Round-Up ready soybeans,
they found that the Round-Up ready genes that were inserted into the
soybeans to allow the soybeans not to die when sprayed with Round-Up
those genes, part of them, transferred into the DNA of bacteria living
inside our intestines. And that bacteria was unkillable with Round-Up
suggesting but not proving that once the gene transferred the gut
bacteria it might still function. And to function means it might produce
proteins. So we may have these Round-Up proteins produced
continuously 24/7 inside our digestive tract.

Now as soon as the pro-GM UK government who was funding this study
found out they pulled the plug on any additional funding. So they never
found out if eating a corn chip from genetically modified BT toxin corn
also transfers to the DNA of gut bacteria. If the BT gene transfers to gut
bacteria and continues to function it can convert our intestinal flora into
living pesticide factories producing BT toxin 24/7 which might poke
holes along the cell walls causing inflammation and all sorts of
gastrointestinal disorders, possibly creating leaky gut, which is also
linked to cancer. and that might explain this production of the BT toxin,
why 93 percent of the pregnant women tested in Canada had it in their
blood because they are producing it in their gut. As far as the gut
bacteria I mean it is now a huge source, a huge topic of study.
Everyones into the micro bio now. its like its the new tofu. Everyones
into the micro bio. And so we have a situation where the devastation of
Round-Up becomes bigger and bigger the more they realize this
because it is a potent antibiotic but it is selective. It kills the lactobacillus
and the bifidobacteria, the stuff thats good for us.
Ty: The ones that you want in yogurt.
Jeffrey Smith: The good stuff that youre buying and paying for and
then you wash it down with something with Round-Up in it and you just
kill everything youve just put in there plus more. And it allows the
overgrowth of salmonella or botulism or e.coli, the negative stuff.
Ty: Let me ask you this. So youve talked about the Round-Up
ready corn and the soy potentially thats spray with Round-Up. Do
they use Round-Up or glyphosate on other non-organic vegetables
as well or is it just the corn and soy?
Jeffrey Smith: No, no, its used as a ripening agent. They spray it on
wheat, on barley, on rye, on lentils, on sweet potatoes, on sugar cane
theres a 160 or so different fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, etc. that
are allowed high residues because of this now practice of using it as
whats called a desiccant or ripening agent. Not every farmer uses it but
its hard to tell where it is and where it isnt because its not labeled. So
thats why buying organic is much safer. They have now up for approval,
we call it, agent orange crops, crops that are tolerant to be sprayed by
24D which was half the component of agent orange which can create
dioxins which are linked to cancer. And so its expected that if that gets
approved the use of 24D will increase in the United States by as much
as 20 fold. and so itll be the food, itll also in the air because it can
vaporize and then move and then land and kill other crops and hurt
other people and livestock. So its an absolute disaster. Now we hope to
stop GMOs soon. We actually have seen a tipping point of consumer
rejection. We expect to end GMOs soon. And its because consumers
are becoming aware to the dangers. So in Europe because of a high

profile food scandal related to GMOs most people decided they didnt
want to eat them. In very short time, huge headlines, hundreds and
hundreds of articles, the food company said, okay, we wont use them.
Then bovine growth hormone was kicked out of Wal-Mart and Starbucks
and Yoplait and Dannon in most American dairies because of its link to
cancer. And that became popular and people didnt want to eat it. And
so it had a tipping point. Theres now a tipping point against GMOs in
the natural products industry and we expect a tipping point in the
conventional food industry any time.
Ty: And recently we had legislation in Vermont.
Jeffrey Smith: Vermont passed a labeling law, yes. It was very, very
exciting. So this was passed this year and itll go into effect on July 1st,
2016. They expect to be sued by Monsanto and the biotech industry. its
possible the FDA will come in and preempt it. Theyre up still against
some potential obstacles but its the first state to pass a labeling law that
will go into effect immediately as soon as the date hits. Two other states
have a requirement of other states also passing similar laws before
theirs become enacted. And most states actually have introduced
labeling legislation that has not yet passed.
Ty: Thats some shocking information from Jeffrey Smith. Round-

Up and cancer, killing the good bacteria in our guts. But its
comments about organic food and the GMO tipping point really
gave me a ray of hope.
When I interviewed Dr. Patrick Quillin in California we talked quite

a bit about the importance of eating clean foods, not foods that
youve washed well, thats not what Im talking about, but foods
that are free of pesticides and fungicides, foods that are organic.
Thats what were talking about when we talk about clean foods.
Thank you Dr. Quillin. And you mentioned clean foods. So Im
going to take a break here. Im going to eat a little bit of a clean
food. This is a mulberry that you just gave me from your yard.
Dr. Patrick Quillin: Yeah, thats rich in phytoalexins, anticancer to the

maximum.
Ty: That is good. Ive never had a mulberry thats that shape. Why
is it so long?

Dr. Patrick Quillin: Theres several different types of mulberry trees.

That is a Pakistan mulberry that you just had and I have an Oscar
mulberry too. And when I was trying to select fruit treesyou know, first
of all, I live in California. its a desert. We have a water shortage. We
have a particular water shortage this year with the drought. Why would
you water something if you cant eat it? That doesnt make any sense to
me. So Im watering just the fruit trees. And among those are fruit trees
that are high in nutrients.
And one of the sound bytes I mentioned is go for the color. In the color,
in those pigments, the reds, orange, yellows, dark colors, and the
mulberrys a dark purple color, what you have is mother nature has
sunshine coming down and hitting the chlorophyll and the chloroplast
and its through photosynthesis making sugar. And from that comes all
of life. Thats the beginning of all life on earth. How does the plant
protect itself from the damaging effects of sun? because youve got both
sunlight that is mutagenic, carcinogenic, its all kinds ofits a damaging
x-ray. How does a plant protect itself? About 20 thousand different
bioflavinoids and about 800 different carotinoids are in colorful fruits and
vegetables and they protect the plant from the sun and from the effects
of photosynthesis. Given that what were talking about is I was choosing
fruits and vegetables that would be, not only tasty and not readily
available in the stores, for instance, figs.
Figs dont travel well thats why most people dont find them in the
stores and most people, including myself, the only figs that I had had
while living in the Midwest was fig Newtons. But in fact in figs is not just
a delicious taste but there is a phytochemical, phyto means plant,
chemical is a substance in it. In figs, a substance called ficinf-i-c-i-n,
which the National Cancer Institute has been researching hoping to find
a synthetic analog so they can make a patented drug. Meanwhile you

have access to that through figs. Its a powerful anticancerbio
regulators. This is where it really hits me Ty as to how powerful nature
is. And Im hoping that I can infect the viewers with a sense of respect
for what God has given us in the good mother earth and in our food
supply. And heres a simple sound byte. This human body, 60 trillion
cells, orchestrated like no other organism on earth. Theres no robot or
any machine that we will build that we will ever come close to what the
human being does. Then we have our food supply. No food ever has
just one nutrient in it. And they keep doing mono nutrient studying one
nutrient. Thats not the way nature works. We tamper with our food
supply by slice, dice, chop, and blend and add hydrogenated fats and
color flavorings, 28 hundred different FDA food additives most of which
have not really been tested for their carcinogenicity.
And so we tamper with the food supply. We tamper with our body. A
child by 30 months has had 30 vaccinations some of them with mercury
in them. This is not a good idea. Many of these kids are not properly
nourished. So we tamper with the body. Were exposed to extraordinary
amount of EMFs, electromagnetic fields, everything from cell phones to
Wi-Fi to radio transmission. Were tampering with the bodyour
ancestors lived outside for a couple million years. We stay inside and
well all have a vitamin D deficiency because were not getting enough
sunlight. So we tamper with the body that God created, we tamper with
the food supply that God created. Put the two of them together and we
have epidemics of diseases in this country. Experiences I had with
cancer treatment centers, 10 years working with thousands of patients
show that nutrition can have a huge impact in cancer outcome while
theyre being medically treated.
Ty: [Mike], is there a relationship between mercury and cancer that

you know of?
Mike Adams: Well, absolutely! To understand that you have to

understand how heavy metals really operate in the body. Heavy metals
replace, they knock out other healthy minerals and thereby replace then
on cell membranes. So mercury, for example, knocks out zinc. Zinc is
crucial for immune function. And if you lookif you want to get really
scientific about it, if you look at the table of elements, mercury and zinc
occupy the same column of the table of elements. The table of elements
is arranged column by column in a way that is indicative of the, lets say,
the outer electron orbit shell of that element in its monatomic form. So

they haveor to put it simply, they have similar biochemical functions or

properties. They interact with other elements, other metals, other
molecules in similar ways. So when you have mercury youre not getting
the zinc that you need. And when mercury is in your diet its displacing
zinc. Now zinc is crucial for immune function, right. Zinc helps prevent
cancer in many ways. So when youre eating mercury youre not getting
protect zinc. Now theres something else thats interesting in this.
Cesium, radioactive cesium isotopes such as cesium-137, one of the
most common and most destructive radio isotopes created in nuclear
catastrophes and even from nuclear weapons, cesium-137 occupies the
same column on the table of elements as potassium. Potassium is in
every cell of your body. When cesium pollutes and agricultural area,
your food, your diet, your body ultimately, it displaces potassium. And
you know, if you know anything about agriculture you know that every
plant takes up potassium through its roots, right?
Ty: Yeah.
Mike Adams: its one of the big three fertilizers, NPK.
Ty: NPK, right, yeah.
Mike Adams: So potassium goes into every plant, every plant then
incorporates potassium into its cell structure, which becomes the food
that you eat if you eat the plant, the grain of the corn, the leaf of the
herb, the root of the turnip, whatever the case may be. So if you cesium
falling on that, cesium-137 or 134134 is a much shorter lived isotope .
The normal non-radioactive most common isotope of cesium is 133. 134
will decay back into 133 relatively quickly but 137 has a half life of about
30 years which really pollutes agricultural lands for centuries200 to
300 years really is considered how long it will contaminate land such as
around Chernobyl and Fukushima.
Ty: And Fukushima, yeah.
Mike Adams: Right.
Ty: Sure.
Mike Adams: So if a plantif an agricultural area is contaminated

with cesium then the plant will take it up. And if you eat the plant
remember we already talked about it
Ty: Yeah

Mike Adams: you are what you eat.
Ty: Wow!
Mike Adams: So the radioactive cesium elements in the plant go into

your body and get taken up into your bodys cells as if they were
potassium, which means you now have radioactive cesium bound to the
cell membrane of every cell in your body, everywhere that the food
goes. Where does food go in your body? Everywhere that blood goes.
Where does blood go? Everywhere that you have a living cell.
Ty: Everywhere.
Mike Adams: Everywhere!
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: The CDC did a study about ten years
ago where they took samples of blood, urine, and saliva of over two
thousand people in the United States. And they found on average 212
chemicals in peoples bodies. So what does the body do with that? Over
212 chemicals that the body has to process and figure out what to do
with and try to expel so that chemical stress is really compromising the
immune system and putting a lot of stress on the excretory organs of the
body which leads to DNA damage and more cancers.

Ty: [Dr. Jockers], what effect do these toxicities, do you believe,

play in the cancer equation because if you look at hundred years
ago we didnt have these same amounts, massive amounts, of
environmental toxins. What do you believe on that topic?
Dr. David Jockers: I believe they play a huge role with this. I mean we
have over 80 thousand chemicals in our society. The average individual
in our society urinates out seven pesticides every time they urinate. And
then they did a study several years ago where they took ten newborn
infants and they measured their umbilical cord blood for toxins and they
found 280--the mean, the average was 287 toxic chemicals, 208 of
those were carcinogenic for the body. And this is a newborn infant.
Ty: So this is not something that you believe. This is research has
shown that these toxins are getting into the systems and causing
damage.
Dr. David Jockers: Oh yeah. You know, its empirical evidence thats
showing that these toxins are wreaking havoc on our physiology. And
just like you said about it, if we did that study a hundred years ago, sure,
we went through the industrial revolution. There were certainly toxins in
our bodies but I bet if they took newborn infants a hundred years and
they tested them, itd probably be double digits with the amount of
toxins. A thousand years ago itd probably be single digits. Two
thousand years ago it may be five or less. And so the reality is that as
amazing as our bodies are, which I believe our bodies are the most
amazing structure thats ever been built, I mean the most incredible
system, however, and as great as we are at adapting to stresses the
amount of toxicity and environmental stress and challenges we have in
our system right now and upon us is for most people too much.
And if youre not being intentional about taking care of your health and
using advanced health strategies in 21st century, the 21st century
western world, youre setting yourself up. I mean its only a matter of
time before these genetic triggers are going to fire off and youre going
to have enough disease development before you get diagnosed with
something and have major symptoms in your body. We just have a toxic
on-slot. its an epidemic. And fortunately weve got very intelligent
people that are out there, that are not only teaching people how to be
well, but also providing the resources they need as far as specific
testing and supplementation and advanced therapies to help people
heal in our modern world.

Ty: [Dr. Isaacs], whats your opinion on the impact of

environmental toxins on cancer?
Dr. Linda Isaacs: Well, I think all of those things certainly

environmental chemicals, for example, farmers have been shown to
have higher incidence of lymphoma, a type of cancer. I believe the
same thing is true for dry cleaners or people that live in a building where
a dry cleaning establishment is. Bladder cancer has been associated
with different types of industrial chemicals. I think for all of us though,
and we live in a world thats kind of a low grade soup of a lot of different
chemicals and I think all of that can add up. I think pancreatic enzymes
are part of the bodys way of keeping things clean and keeping things
managed, so to speak. And when were creating an environment where
theres a lot of extra chemicals, well, those enzymes have more to do
and you can, in effect, run out of them. We think that thats when you
would start to develop a cancer.
Ty: Talk about some of the chemicals in the vaccines, some of the
additives, the adjuvants, and other ingredients that might be
carcinogenic.
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Sure. I think the biggest onewell, the class of
them are heavy metalsmercury a number one. And if you look into
Homeopathic Materia Medica there are pages and pages almost more
than any other, lets say, substance listed in that Materia Medica of
potential effects and actual effects at even minute doses, minute
exposure to mercury. And this effects every system of the body, the
endocrine, the neurological system, you name it, the digestive system,
the epithelial tissue. Mercury is the biggest baddy of them all and
ultimately I believe facilitates cancer. Now aluminum is their next go-to
adjuvant because it hyper stimulates and aggravates the immune cells
and they want to illicit this antibody artificially is the best way to say it.
And they think that thats going to be enough to prevent you from getting
a disease. But if youve ever had chicken pox as a child like I did and I
got my kids to chicken pox parties when they were kids to get it early
they now have what we call a natural immunity against the chicken pox
virus. But does it last your whole life? Well, apparently not in everybody
because theres something called shingles which is a manifestation of
the herpes zoster varicella or the varicella virus in adulthood in cases
where you already had the chicken pox so you already have the
antibodies and the recognition of that virus. So why is it that even

though you have the antibody you still succumb to it in a different

manifestation? Its because the antibody is not sufficient to protect you.
Primary immunity is gut health. Its liver health, its hydration, its
mineralization of the body. And lets say youve weakened yourself to
the point where youre not longer functional in an immune way. You can
identify a virus because you have an antibody and have not the energy
or strength or the tools to address it and protect yourself. So what good
is the antibody then? So its an immature understanding of immunology
and yet theyre the ones with the duh-gree, which is why I call them a
duh-gree because theyre not using the sense God may have given
them. When they understand that and they say, of course, weve got to
embrace the natural world. Weve got to restore integrity to the terrain.
Weve got to look at the flora issues. We got to get rid of the heavy
metals. And those are just some of the things. Weve got foreign RNA
and DNA from animals, aborted fetal tissue in these vaccines. Youve
got formaldehyde, youve got antifreeze like compounds. There are so
many things that if you knew what was in it, as I said, you added that to
a babys bottle, you would be charged with attempted murder.
Ty: And the interesting thing about these vaccines, these drugs, is
that most of the time theyre FDA approved, right?
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Yeah. The FDA says theyre perfectly fine to
take and give. There have never been any double blind placebo
controlled crossover center studies to determine safety or efficacy of
any of these vaccines. So for them to claim that they actually work
based on what? Anecdote. They claim it. And they say, well, its good
enough for us and you point out that the double blind placebo controlled
studies have not been done. They yell at you and scream at you and
call you names and say that would be unethical to do that. In the
meantime there are thousands of families around the country that would
be happy to volunteer information about the health of their children who
have not been vaccinated so they can do cross comparative studies
looking back. Thats how they do these studies yet they claim they cant
do it. They dont want to do it because they find that the children that
have not been assaulted in this way by a syringe are much healthier and
they have fewer and fewer chronic diseases.
Burton Goldberg: The head of the FDA is on the board of the Shine
company, the largest manufacturers of silver fillings which have 50
percent mercury in them.

Ty: Conflict of interest
Burton Goldberg: The head of the FDAshe knows that bisphenol A

is one of the major causes. She has the research of cancer of the breast
and prostate. Plastics are one of the major causation of cancer in this
nation. She knows it and its not banned. Every single can that you use
has a liningheres a can of water that was given to me, guaranteed
bisphenol A is lining every can. It comes in plastic. Harvard just did a
study. They gave a man a can of minestrone soup. It happened to be a
brand. It doesnt matter. Theyre all the same, whether its beer or
whether its water or minestrone. They checked his body burden of
bisphenol A. One week later after eating the can of Progresso
minestrone his BPA level went up 12 hundred percent. In one week it
was still 12 hundred percent. Dentistry plays an enormous role. 95
percent of females with breast cancer have a dental involvement. A
German university study, as much as 50 percent in the remission of
cancer can be in the oral cavity on ordinary cancers, other cancers,
other than the breast. But in breast cancer its 95 percent. So every one
of my clients are sent to a biological dentist.
Bill Henderson: The thing that most people dont even think about
that I found is so common is dental toxins, okay. Whats coming out of
our jaw for most people from the dental work weve had done
generallyroot canals, cavitation sites, as theyre called, where youd
had wisdom teeth or other teeth removed, mercury amalgam fillings, the
metal that the dentist put in our mouth, all of this stuff effects our system
dramatically because our jaw is intimately connected and every tooth in
our mouth intimately connected to organs in our body through the old
Chinese meridian system, if you will. for example, on each side of the

jaw there are two molars, upper and lower, that are directly connected to
the mammary glands in both men and women. I mean men get breast
cancer too.
But these are probably the most common cause of all breast cancers
simply because they are directly connected to a gland that brings on the
breast cancer. And when they are dealt with, what Ive found with
literally thousands of my clients, once that type of thing is cleared up the
cancer disappears. It goes away. And these are mostly people, again,
theyre coming to me Ty kind of as a last resort in many cases. Theyve
been through chemo and surgery, whatever, and it hasnt worked and
the cancers recurred. And they start doing something more sensible
generally. They do a diet change. They take supplements, and what you
have, that we recommend. That doesnt seem to work either. In most
cases the cancers still there. They feel better, they get more energy,
they lose some weight but they dont get over the cancer. They finally
get their jaw cleaned up by some competent dentist and the cancer
goes awaysix to eight weeks later its gone. And this is hundreds of
people that Ive worked with now Ty, hundreds all over the world
literally.
Ty: So thats a fundamental part of the protocol that you put

people on once theyve been diagnosed is to clean up their
mouth
Bill Henderson: Absolutely!
Ty: get the mercury out of their mouth because the silver
amalgams arent really silver, theyre mercury.
Bill Henderson: Thats right.
Ty: And also, what do you recommend if somebody has had a root
canal?
Bill Henderson: Well, again, its the most deadly thing you can have in
your body practically. One of the dentists I work with calls it taxidermy of
the jaw. What it is taking a tooth that cannot be filled with a cavity
because the cavity would invade the center portion, the nerve of the
tooth, and make it incredibly painful.
Ty: Okay. So you take a tooth that cant be filled.
Bill Henderson: Right and instead they take the center portion out,
which is the nerve and the pulp surrounding the nerve. And in the
process they have a dead piece of bone in your jaw basically. Theres
no circulation through it. The bacteria in it cannot be eliminated. The

doctor tries to do this. The dentist tries to sterilize the tooth. its
impossible to do because there are millions of, what they call, little
tubials inside of the dentin. The dentin is inside the enamel of the tooth.
And it has these tubials in it that are all connected with little connecting
tunnels. And its impossible to sterilize it completely. And so the bacteria
in the tooth remain there and they mutate because of the lack of oxygen
into anaerobic bacteria, which are extremely toxic. Ive heard theyre a
thousand times more toxic than any other bacteria. They put out toxins
that are more toxic than botulism literally.
Ty: And these are sealed into a tooth that has been root canalled.
Bill Henderson: Yeah and the root canal, the ideathe name is a little
misleading because the root canal is what goes down through the tooth
into the roots of the tooth. So what you get is a filling up into that area
where theyve taken out the nerve and the pulp. And its kind of a
rubbery substance called gutta-percha in most cases. But it does not
seal off this millions of little tubials unfortunately like its supposed to.
And this was discovered over a hundred years ago and very well
documented that the anaerobic bacteria that accumulate there cause all
kinds of chronic degenerative stuffheart disease, cancer, rheumatoid
arthritis proven beyond any doubt. But this study which was completed
in 1923, believe it or not, after 60 prominent dentists tried to figure out
how to do a safe root canal and they threw up their hands and published
this eleven hundred and seventy-four pages of their study of root canals
and found that they could not be done safely. And now almost a
hundred years later theyre still done the same way.
Ty: Isnt that the definition of insanity?
Bill Henderson: Well, it is, yesindeed it is. And why? Why would it
be done? Well, if you calculate the income of the endodontist, this is the
specialist in root canals, it comes to several billion dollars a year doing
approximately 30 million root canals each year in the United States. This
is a very big money making exercise. And believe it or not the dentists
are in denial about this. Theyre union which is the American Dental
Association is in denial about it as they are about mercury. And so
people listen to their dentists down the street. Dont worry about those
root canals Alice, theyre okay. You must have some problem originating
somewhere else when in almost every case 95 percent of the time the
primary cause of the cancer in my experience is coming out of their jaw.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Ill tell you an experiment. My daughter,

whos 19 now, she was in eighth grade and we did this experiment in
the office because we had thermography in our office. So we took a
picture of someones brain and we took a picture of their brain, their
head rather first, before cell phone use. And then after one minute of
cell phone use, after five minutes of cell phone use, and after one hour,
and four hours later the brain will still inflamed after cell phone use.
Ty: Wow!
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: So people do not understand the power of

the cell phone and how much it effects our body. You have toand its
accumulative. And if youthey actually have published online rat brains
exposed to cell phone and see what it does. So like I mentioned before,
theres such thing as a precautionary principle. If we have a little bit of
knowledge and thereswe have a lot of knowledge now. Theres a lot
more knowledge then you hear. You just dont hear about it because the
largest industry lobbying in Washington is the electrical lobby. So they
want all these electronics. Okay, yes, these electronics allows us to tape
this interview and talk to each other and the computer, now we can all
communicate and social together. Yes, but we know have to invent
things to counteract all the wonderful inventions weve made.
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: We need to fix causes and, of course, cancer
has causes. And heres another problem. You know, its a multifactorial
disease. its not like malaria where the cause is a mosquito bite and this
plasmodium. its not that simple. There are many, many causes. You
know, my three pillars ofI call it three pillars of healing in cancer
emotions, which Ive talked about, we barely mentioned chemical
overload but our environment now is full of carcinogenic substances.
Were a wash literally with carcinogens. Some of them are choices and
best not used like cosmetics. I love to see the gals looking pretty, see
my wife. Shes beautiful, right. So you like them to look good but most of
what women put on their skin is dangerous. I think the average women
would probably do less if they realized that they absorb about two
pounds, around a kilogram of cosmetics through their skin every year.
Now thats two pounds of sludge and slime, toxic sludge that your livers
got to deal with. But you werent given a liver to deal with cosmetics. its
supposed to deal with foods and environmental factors, not manmade
synthetics such as now.

If you look at every simpleIm using the word simple rather than
primitive or aboriginal society, cancer is unknown. Now there was a
famous Harvard research called William Stephanson. Im not sure how
to pronounce his name. its obviously a Norwegian or Swedish name.
But I think my best shot is William Stephanson. And he lived with
Eskimos for about 30 years. I shouldnt say Eskimos, Inuit, but you know
what I mean. He live with them and he ate their food and lived their
lifestyle. And at first he couldnt tolerate the diet. It was about 50 percent
fat. It was just slopping with grease in the dish.
And so he said, no, I cant take it. Ill eat more the Western way. And
within a few weeks he was pretty sick. And he had to eat their way. As
soon as he did his body recovered enormously. And he was really fit
and well. He was out on the ice. He could walk 50 miles in a day. He
was really a fit man for his age, and brought back a very interesting
story and wrote a book. But basically in all his time in that territory he
never saw a case of cancer. And its pretty well unknown among the
Inuit. its only when they came into the bases and started eating the
burgers and the colas that they started to get diabetes and heart
disease, cancer the same as the rest of us. And thats a picture that
repeats itself all over the world.
Do you know Albert Schweitzer, the famous humanitarian. He went to

work in the Gabon in Africa? And he said hes never saw a case of
cancer in any one that was living the natural lifestyle. He directly
attributed it to food. He was pretty sure that was the reason. They just
eat differently. And you know, youve got yourits tempting to think,
well, its genetic, the Inuits are just strong against cancer. And they do a
lot of selenium from the seafood. We know thats protective.
But the real killer in the story Ty is if they go and move into a different
environment and eat somebody elses diet they get sick as dogs just the
same as the rest of us. So its not really a genetic factor. But you know
thats pretty stark epidemiological evidence. You almost dont need any
other cause of cancer if you know that people living the natural lifestyle
in the stone age or aboriginal way like a hunter gatherer and keeping
their lifestyle pure never gets cancer.
Dr. Charles Majors: Every cancer has a cause. Theyre not all the
same. So youre right. Theyre not all the same. Where if someone has
a breast cancer thats hormonal, well, they have a hormonal imbalance,
right. Their liver wasnt able to methylate as well. They werent able to

balance out their estrogen levels. You take someone who has leukemia
or myelomas or lymphomas, these are immune cancers. A lot of these
are from viruses. A lot of these are from non-stop inflammatory
reactions happening in their gut where their immune systems non-stop
working, GMOs, these things effect more immune cancers. Your brain
cancers, which we know are coming from more of a toxicity issue.
Ty: [Dr. Buttar], question for you. You mentioned earlier one of the
toxicities involves the food toxicities. And you mentioned
genetically modified foods. Lets talk about that. Whatif you got a
patient thats a cancer patient what do you recommend as far as
their diet and whether or not they should eat genetically modified
foods? What kind of a cancer diet would you recommend for
somebody to, lets say, prevent cancer as opposed to treat it, just a
cancer preventative type diet?
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Clean
Ty: So they should wash their food, is that what youre saying by
clean?
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Clean, as clean as possible, meaning that it should

be organic, range fed. In the book, in my book, The Nine Steps to Keep
the Doctor Away, I actually specifically talk about food. And people have
asked me many times, when are you going to write a more detailed
book on food? And I said IveIve actually got one written on that too
but Im never going to put that out. Why? Because I want people to
become empowered rather than becoming dependent on a book. So its

a very, very simple rule. G stands for God, M stands for man. If God
made it its good, if man made its madnesssimply follow that rule. So
if its butter and the doctor said dont eat butter, its fat, this, thatman,
its not manmade its God made, eat it. If its margarine its manmade,
use it for lubrication in your cars axel but dont use it for anything else.
Okay. So thats my general rule. High protein, lower carbohydrates,
because protein is part of how the body regenerates itself whereas
carbohydrates are fuel. We have too much fuel in our diet nowadays.
We needed more fuel when we were more back in a Paleolithic ancestry
but thats because we had to hunt our food. You know, we dont hunt
our hamburgers now. So you need more of rebuilder protein component.
And you need less of the carbohydrate proteinIm sorry, less of the
carbohydrate fuel component.
Ty: Okay.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: So my general rule is manmademadness, God

madegood. Eat as clean as you can meaning organic, range fed, etc.,
fruits, vegetables. If youre going to eat meat then eat range fed meat.
And eat as healthy as possible. And people know. I mean you start
explaining that to them, well, what about reading ingredients? Well, read
the ingredients. Well, how do I know whats good for me and whats bad
for me? If theres two things in the food that youre eating that you dont
know what they are thats enough to say Im not going to eat it. Now I
happen to know a little bit more than the average bear. So when Im
reading it I understand some more of those things so if theres EDTA, if
it says ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid Ill still eat it because thats what
I infuse into patients anyway. Its a keylater so Im not worried about it.
Its a preservative. But theres certain things that ifmy rule is in
general people, if you dont know more than two ingredients, dont eat it.
Dr. Irvin Sahni: I believe that in 50 years were going to look back at
food now the way we look at smoking 50 years ago. There was
commercials with doctors with cigarettes in their hand saying that
cigarettes are good for you and we would all agree that thats laughable
now. You know, that thats absolute insanity and criminal. And I think
thats probably what were going to be saying about processed foods
and McDonalds and sodas and things like that 50 years from now how
crazy it was that wed really put that stuff into our body and build up a
level of toxicity probably similar in some ways, and maybe even worse
in some ways than from cigarettes, from smoking cigarettes.

Ty: Let me ask you this, one of the common arguments that you
get from those that are producing the GMO crops is that we need
this to feed the world.
Jeffrey Smith: No, no, they need it to pay their salaries. GMOs are so
inept at feeding the world that the biggest paper in the world, the biggest
study, more than 400 scientists sponsored by the UN and signed on by
more than 58 countries concluded that the current generation of GMOs
has nothing to offer feeding the hungry world, eradicating poverty, or
creating sustainable agriculture. Thats the ISTAD report. In fact, the
Union of Concerned Scientists study showed that it actually doesnt
increase yields and the USDA recent study verified that GMOs do not
increase yields, and in many cases, reduce yields. Now not only do they
not increase yields but they concentrate the ownership of agriculture.
They bind farmers in a cycle of dependence on agricultural inputs like
Round-Up. They also disallow farmers from saving seeds year after
year. And by spraying the Round-Up on the Round-Up ready crops it
kills all the other plant bio diversity. We call it weeds in this country.
They call it food in the developing country because they eat a lot of
those greens as part of their biodiversity so its not designed properly for
feeding the hungry world. And its really an accident prone, very
dangerous technology, which we think by its very nature is linked to
diseases.
The process of genetic engineeringyou take a gene from one species.

You make millions of copies, put it into a gene gun, shoot that gun into a
plate of millions of cells and clone the cell into a plant. So now every
single cell of that plant has that gene in it but also its caused massive
collateral damage, two to four percent of the DNA is different mostly
mutated. So you could have hundreds or thousands of mutations up and
down the DNA. Now that means that you can turn on genes, shut off
genes, or change the levels of gene expression. Now that can be
extremely dangerous for diseases and disorders, allergens, etc.,
because you can have toxins go up, allergens go up, Monsantos corn
has a gene that was switched on that produces an allergen. Monsantos
soy has as much as seven times the amount of a known soy allergen.
You can end up switching on an oncogene causing a carcinogen to
flourish or an increased level of a cancer causing compound. You can
also change all of the secondary metabolites or the natural produced by
the plant which were now discovering today can fight cancer. But we
know like just a handful of them. But even before we understand them
and catalog them were changing all that with genetic engineering
because when you change it at the DNA level you change all these
different expressions at that higher level.

So one study, for example, this was done in the UK, they fed potatoes
that were genetically engineered to a group of rats. It was engineered to
produce an insecticide. Another group was fed non-GMO potatoes. A
third group was fed non-GM potatoes but their meal was spiked with an
insecticide, the same one that the GM potatoes produced in the same
amount. Only the group that ate the GM potato got sick. Those that ate
the non-GM potato spiked with the insecticide did not. So it wasnt the
insecticide that was being produced by the GM potato that caused the
problem. It was the massive collateral damage, the side effects that
result from the process of genetic engineering that cause the problem.
And one of the problems was potentially pre-cancerous cell growth in
the digestive tract. So they didnt find tumors in these rats but within 10
days their stomach lining was increased by double and this proliferative
cell growth is a precursor to cancer in some cases. They also had
smaller brains, livers, and testicles, partial atrophy of the liver, and a
damaged immune system. And it was not because of the gene, the
specific gene, that was put in. It was because of the process of genetic
engineering, the same generic process thats used on the food that we
eat. That potato was never commercialized but the soy and the corn that
we do eat is produced from the same process that resulted in potentially
pre-cancerous cell growth in the digestive tract of rats in 10 days.
Ty: Jeffrey in light of what you just told us it certainly seems to me

that if youre a cancer patient or even if you want to avoid cancer
GMOs should be number one on your list of things to avoid.
Jeffrey Smith: Well, you can choose your disorder you want to avoid at
this point. I mean you can be avoiding cancer, you can be avoiding
Crohns and colitis and acid reflux, and migraines, so many things weve
heard people describe getting better when they get rid of GMOs. But
absolutely, theres so many ways that GMOsand I have to be careful I
have to say maybe promoting cancer.
Ty: So apparently we dont actually need GMOs to feed the world

after all. Interesting information from Mr. Smith. Tonights episode
weve covered a whole plethora of informationtoxicities that
effect our immune system, toxicities and heavy metals, chemicals
that are being found in babies now. We talked about genetically
modified organisms, we talked about other things that compromise
the immune system that are toxic to our system. And so what are
we going to do tomorrow? Were going to learn how to get rid of
those toxicities, how to get them out of your body so that your
immune systems no longer over burdened with these toxicities
and youre able to fend off abhorrent cells like cancer. I hope
youve enjoyed the show. Youre going to really enjoy tomorrows
show. Thanks a lot for watching.
Ty: Okay. So Im here with Wayne and Waynes going to give us

his story of being diagnosed with cancer and tell us what he did.
Wayne: Well, Ty my story started in 2010. I was diagnosed with

prostate cancer. And like everybody else I wasnt sure what I was going
to do. I did know I wasnt going to do anything on the medical side. I had
gone to an oncologist who did a physical on me and ordered a biopsy
which is declined. And what I ended up doing is I flew to California to a
wellness center, took a week of education on health, and tried to get my
head around what was going on, why I had this cancer. And they taught
me a lot about diet and some of the things that was going on in my
body, the imbalances. I had them order an MRI and MRS for me so I
could get a handle on the cancer making sure it was contained. It was a
stage II cancer and it was contained in my prostate.
And I come back home and I searched out two people I had heard that
had dealt with their cancer on their own. And through some information I
got from one of the two people I had got Bill Hendersons name. and I
got his book. I contacted Bill after I read his book if he would be a coach
and direct me through this. And I followed the protocols of Bill, which is
basically I dealt with my dental issues. I completely changed my diet.
And one of the things I didnt do till a couple years later was deal with
the emotional issues. But the other two issues were enough to look after
the cancer for myself and it was about eight months after I was cancer
free. And since that time, that was in late 2011. I had been working with
a number of people up in my area that have done exactly the same
thing. And a lot of people with more advanced stage cancers than I had

had done the same thing. And Ive had people with stage III and up to
stage IV cancer that within a year had done exactly the same thing.
So I would tell people educate yourself, take the time to find out what
you need to do for yourself. You always get pushed like I did that you
got to do something right away. I always tell people tell your doctor I
need a time out. I want to educate myself and then make a decision that
you feel is right, so. All the best.

Episode 4: Spoiled Rotten


[Music]
Ty: Welcome back! Thanks for tuning in tonight. In last nights

episode we learned about the environmental toxins that are
compromising the immune system, overburdening our bodies
dental procedures, genetically modified organisms, environmental
chemicals, and so forth. In tonights show were going to learn how
to get rid of all of these environmental toxins, all of this toxicity to
our system, to our immune system, that is compromising that
immune system and making us more susceptible to cancer. Youve
been collecting toxins your whole life. Your body is full of toxicity.
Weve got to learn how to get it out and tonights episode is going
to teach you exactly how to do that.
This short clip from Dr. Charles Majors is profound. It summarizes

the entire episode. Listen to it.
Dr. Charles Majors: Changing your environment the possibility of

getting cancer.
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: And thats why I always start my focal point of
healing for anybody by working with the liver and the gut and then we
are not even necessarily chasing a symptom, chasing a disease, but
were correcting the terrain in you or the environment at its source.
Ian Jacklin: And cleanse, cleanse, cleanse.
Ty: So its important to detoxify to get rid of the toxicity in order to

keep your body alkaline or to keep it clean in order to give the
cancer an inhospitable breeding ground, I guess.
Ian Jacklin: Yeah, yeah, you really got to get that terrain because it
doesnt matter if you cure yourself with chemo, with cannabis hemp oil,
with alkaline diet. its going to come back if you didnt change the train.
Dr. Patrick Quillin: You find a body thats not well, all kinds of
symptoms. We mentioned some of the common killers in America. And
from those symptoms the first thing we would do is say were going to
take you just like that piece of land, lets detoxify you first. Lets take out
the heavy metals, the volatile organic chemicals. Studies have been
done looking at Americans where these are legitimate labs, FDA
approved labs, that have looked at urinary output from volatile organic
chemicalsBPA, bisphenol A is one thats common found in almost all

of us. Flame retardants in almost all of us. You think, well, how did it get
there? You know, the fact is that many of us have been exposed to
frightening levels of chemicals that in many cases are hormone
disruptors. That is they effect the ability of the body to make male or
female hormones, insulin, the many hormones are now disregulated. So
those chemicals, the heavy metals, the toxic burden in the gut, many of
those are causing whats called autotoxemia. Auto as in self, toxins in
the gut, back to that hundred trillion cells. Those hundred trillion micro
organisms are makingif youre doing things right theyll make vitamin
K2 which is an anti-cancer substance. If youre doing things right theyll
make a little bit of gas in hydrogen which actually is awill be absorbed
into the blood stream and is a powerful antioxidant. Theyll make a little
bit of butyrate, which is such a powerful anti-cancer substance that its
being researched at the National Cancer Institute.
If youre doing things right, if you eat right, if you dont drink too much
alcohol, drugs, antibiotics, then youre going to have a healthy level of
bacteria in the gut and it will make you healthy. If you dont things right
those organisms start generating their own toxins which are them
absorbed into the blood stream. And if things really get ugly then you
mightyour intestinal lumen will become dysfunctional, hyper
permeable and now what you have is whats supposed to be a screen
door that keeps the bugs out. Now weve got tears and rips in it. Now we
have micro organisms moving into the blood stream. its called bacterial
translocation. And now you have yeast, candida albicans bacteria,
yeast, virus, other organisms that can move into the blood stream and
generate autoimmune diseases, even cancer. Theres a whole chapter
in my book, Beating Cancer with Nutrition, that talks about is cancer in
some cases actually an infection? And thats a whole fascinating
subject. Back to the business of what does a garden have to do with our
body? Detoxify.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: The word detoxification is like the word love. its
cheap. Everybody uses it but few people know what it means. Okay. If
you can effectively, and thats the key operative word, effectively
detoxify the body of these seven toxicities chronic disease cant exist So
what were saying is that if you can eliminate the oxidative stress from
these seven different causes then you can actually eliminate these
supposedly incurable diseases. The interesting thing about autism and
cancer, the commonality, is theyre both situations of an impaired ability
to detoxify.
Ty: Okay. Explain that. What do you mean?

Dr. Rashid Buttar: So an average individual has a normal mechanism

of getting rid of trash out of their body. But cancer patients, autistic
patients, they may have a genetic predisposition for the inability to
excrete certain thingsmetals, persistent organic glutens, whatever the
case is. They dont have the compensatory reserves or the
compensatory ability to get rid of some of this accumulation of garbage.
And so if you can help the body facilitate getting rid of this trash out of
the body you can end up getting a result. I actually often have said that
Im nothing more than a glorified trash man because I just can take out
the trash better. Thats really what it comes down to.
Ty: And so thats the way that you treat both autism and cancer is
removing the trash.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Thats the commonalityAbsolutely! Thats the

brunt of what were doing and then we do do some things to help
replenish things that they may be deficient but the key brut of what were
doing is all detoxification.
Ty: So how do we get rid of heavy metals from our body? Thats a
real problem. How do we do it? Its a technique called chelation .
chelationc-h-e-l-eis a Latin word that means to claw. And so
these substances go in your body and they claw the heavy metals.
They bind to them and you excrete them. Lets go to talk to Dr.
Rashid Buttar in North Carolina. Hes an expert at chelation
therapy and detoxification.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: You dont use chelation to treat cancer or autism.
You treat chelation to remove heavy metals. And heavy metals cause

oxidative stress and its the oxidative stress that is the commonality in all
the toxicities that lead to disease. Remember I said its toxicity and a
deficiency, right. So in the toxicity youve got those seven toxicities that I
mentionedheavy metals, persistent organic glutens, the opportunistic,
the energetics, the negative energetic, the emotional psychological, the
foods, and what we do to foods, and then the spiritual, the seven
toxicities. The mechanism of action of all the seven toxicities is the
same. its oxidative injury.
Ty: Okay. When you say oxidative injury, what do you mean?
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Im talking about the free radical reaction or the
reduction reaction called oxidation or oxidative injury which is nothing
more than the rusting process. Think of a banana, you peel it and in five
minutes it starts turning brown. Thats the rusting process. Thats free
radical damage. Thats oxidation thats going on. An apple, you cut it,
within five minutes it starts turning brown. Thats happening to the body
constantly. Theres certain things that accelerate that oxidative injury.
So the body has natural mechanisms to reduce that damage but theres
certain things that we get exposed to that accelerate that damage and
that acceleration of that damage comes from the seven toxicities. So
heavy metals is a first one because thats really the order in which it was
revealed to me as I evolved in my understanding of this process. And so
heavy metals is that first one , the oxidative injury. You can actually get
oxidative injury from also essential minerals, copper, selenium, iron, in
too high of a dose will also act as a heavy metal and cause that
oxidative injury. So chelation is the process to remove the burden of
those metals to help to reduce the free radical reaction. Thats really
what it comes down to.
Now you mentioned about autism and cancer and we have had great
results in both, and we have, weve treated over 19 hundred cases of
autism in the last 17 years and my protocols been used well over 30
thousand children now worldwide from doctors that have used our
protocol. But its interesting that autism is considered non-treatable and
cancer is considered non-treatable. And weve had this tremendous
success in both areas. Why? Because the philosophy is sound. You
eliminate these seven toxicities and by definition chronic disease cant
exist. The key operative word is you have to effectively detoxify the body
of these seven toxicities.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: The mercury is from the environmental

production whether theyre mining in South Africa or they are burning
coal in China. There is mercury, and like I had mentioned before, theres
50 professions that deal with mercury. In some kind of process of their
job theyre dealing with mercury. So mercury is everywhere. Arsenic, I
mean Discover Magazine had the front cover, the metals in your food. I
mean there is nothe EPA says theres no safe level of any heavy
metal intoxic heavy metal in your body. Okay. So when they put
norms there, okay, first of all, how do I know whats normal for you.
Okay. what may be normal for you maybe be terribly destructive to me.
Ty: Because were individuals.
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Were individuals and so I might not be able
to handle one little anything of mercury and you might be able tooh, I
can handle this. I can manage it. But the EPA says, the Environmental
Protection Agency says theres no safe level of these metalsarsenic,
mercury, aluminum, in your body. And so we have to eat foods that help
us detoxify.
Ty: What do we do? [Mike], what are you doing now to prevent
cancer from a dietary perspective?
Mike Adams: Youre the first person to have asked me this on camera
and a lot of the research Im going to cite here has just been completed.
Ive done extensive research on whats called a metals capturing
capacity of different types of foods. I call it the MCC where I test using a
synthetic gastric acid digestion simulator that I built in the lab, I test
foods versus contaminants. And I find out how much of the contaminant
gets bound to the food. And thereby carried out of your digestive tract as
insoluble fiber rather than being absorbed through your intestinal walls
and going into your blood. This is a key concept to understand to
answer your question. Processed foods have very low capturing
capacity because the fibers are typically processed out of them. Theyre
also structurally compromised through processing. Theyre de-natured
in other words.
Ty: Which makes them un-food.
Mike Adams: Un-foodso if you eat, lets say, processed, a process

food meal or a beverage that is contaminated with, lets say, 10 ppm of
mercury youre likely to absorb the vast majority of that mercury through
your intestinal walls that goes in your blood or it could be radioactive
cesium-137, mercury, cesium, lead, cadmium, you name it.

Ty: Whatever it might be.
Mike Adams: Right. But if you are eating a diet of unprocessed fresh
foods, this is a whole plant-based diet, what we have found is that
natural plants, fresh produce, such as strawberries have very high
natural metals capturing capacity. Theyre able to bind with the metals
mostly through physical processes of absorption and adsorption as well.
Some foods have selective ionic affinity to specific metals such as lead.
Ty: Okay. Which means they
Mike Adams: That they have a chemical reaction that binds up the
metal. Yeah. its chemistry taking place in the acidic environment of your
stomach typically with your own gastric acid. Strawberries will bind with
over 90 percent of your dietary mercurystrawberries. And the reason
this is the case is because strawberries are the only common fruit that
has seeds on the outside of the fruit. The seeds being on the outside,
how are they grown? How are they produced by the strawberry? Well,
there are strands, fibers, that send nutrients to the seeds from the
center of the strawberry. The center is where it gets its nutrition. It
distributes it through the fibers to the seeds. These fibers, which are
transparent practically under a microscope, happen to be very, very
tough fibers. They will not be digested by nitric acid in the laboratory.
Ty: Wow.

Mike Adams: I can take strawberries, I can put them, mix nitric acid.
Were talking like 70 percent nitric acid, very strong oxidizer that would
burn the skin right off your hand. It will not digest the fibers in the
strawberry. The fibers survive human digestion which is far weaker than
nitric acid digestion. I mean in orders of magnitude.
Ty: Sure.
Mike Adams: The strawberries then will bind to the dietary mercury
with these fibers and that gets pushed out of your system through bowel
movements. The mercury is gone. its out. It never gets pulled into your
blood stream through intestinal walls. So many different types of fruits
and vegetables have very interesting affinities to heavy metals. And this
is what our research has really uncovered. The only thing that we found
better than strawberries, by the way, is chlorella, which is about 98 99
percent efficacy. But chlorella doesnt work for other things such as
uranium. Chlorella doesnt absorb much uranium, spirulina does, but not
strawberries. So one of the things that Ive done in the lab is whether its
radioactive elements such as cesium-137 or customary heavy metals
like mercury, arsenic, things that cause cancerarsenic is linked to
cancer, right. Oh, and by the way, you know what tends to absorb
arsenic?
Ty: Uh-uh
Mike Adams: Fruit seeds.
Ty: Fruit seeds ?
Mike Adams: Fruit seeds
Ty: Okay.
Mike Adams: which is why some fruit seeds contain arsenic

naturally. There was arsenic in apple juice, remember that scare
Ty: Yeah, I remember that.
Mike Adams: because the apples thatapple plants, apple trees,

tend to take up arsenic in the soil which came from the lead arsenic
pesticides that we already talked about. They tend to concentrate it in
the seeds because the seeds have a natural affinity to arsenic. But if
you can get apple seeds, grape seeds, raspberry seeds, blueberry
seeds--believe it or not, weve tested all these things. If you can get your
hands on these seeds, which by the way are removed from almost all
the foods thats sold in the grocery store. If you buy grape jam you dont
want seeds in it. If you buy blueberry jelly you dont want blueberry
seeds in it.
Ty: And thats where all the good stuff is.
Mike Adams: its the seeds that bind with the dietary arsenic and
transport it out of your body. Yeah, I havent released that information
yet. Youre the first person to, I mean, to have this conversation.
Ty: Dr. Wolfe, talk about your family, the history of your family and
how thats impacted you as well.
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Alright, well, Im going to talk about three people
being my grandfather, and my mother and father. Ill make it short and
sweet. My grandfather ended up getting rectal cancer, okay. And he
was a beer drinker. But if youreif you drink three beers a day--the
best way to get rectal cancer is three beers a day, right, if you do not
detox. Remember something. In the medical system theres two things
they never talk about because theyre not allowed to talk about and that
is diet and that is detox. Meanwhile, if you talked about diet and you
talked about detox you wouldnt need the medical system except for
emergencies and things of that nature. Alright? We all have a place to
play but when we get greedy and we try to own everything thats when
corruption comes in. So anyways, my grandfather got colon cancer, he
came with us to stay with us, and then he went into the hospital. What
happened was he got impacted so he was in pain. Well, and they
couldnt do anything for him. We brought him home We got himwe
broke the impaction which was in his bowels. We got him on a proper
juicing and cleansing diet. This is when I was younger like I was a
teenager that we did this. And we got rid of his pain but we didnt get rid
of his cancer. It was way too late.
Then there was my father. My father lived in Nova Scotia, I was living in
Toronto. I was inI had a clinic for only about four years now. So
anyways, he gets leukemia. I get a call from my brother. My brother
says, dads in the hospital. Hes got leukemia. I said why didnt he call
me. Well, of course hes not going to call you Darrell, youre just going to
get mad at him. And I said hes got leukemia Marcel. And he said, yeah,
but theyre only giving him two weeks to live. I said, Marcel, you listen to
this. I know one thing and thats one thing for sure. Nobody is allowed to
play God. The next thing is, okay, nobodys allowed to give an expiry
date. And the only reason they can give an expiry date, okay, alright, is
because they go by rules. Those rules are were not going to teach you
about diet, were not going to teach you about detoxification, were going

to give you some drugs and were going to send you home and let you
continue to do what caused the cancer. And were not going to do
anything else. And then were going to attack with the three bigwith
the big three cancer treatments, right? So anyways, I said, Marcel, you
go into that hospital and you get a wheelchair and you get him out of
there. Darrell, they said that theyre not going to let him go, hes got two
weeks to live. I said, listen to me, hes only got two weeks to live. If you
have to take a baseball bat in there you do it but you get him out. So he
got him out. He put him on a plane. When he landed in Toronto, okay,
he had cold sores all over his lips. Histhe eyeshis eyes were yellow.
His skin was yellow and he was like just drooping down. My heart just
broke. And I just went, okay, so we took him home. Ill make a long story
short. Hes got two weeks to live, right? Two weeks laterI wont tell
you what we did but two weeks later my father had his suitcases packed
to go visit his cousin. Okay. and they couldnt find the leukemia six
weeks later in his system. We dont have time for that right now. But this
story can be verified.
The next thing is my mother calls me 12 months after this, okay, and
she calls me up. She cant talk. Her boyfriend says to me, listen, your
mothers in trouble. They want to cut her tongue out and they want to
cut a piece off her butt. And make a tongue for her because shes got
mouth cancer. I said shes got to come see me. So she lived in
Kitchener so she came to Toronto. So she cant even speak. She
speaks like this. And she couldnt even talk. Well, anyways, I put her
we did fasting, we did some cleansing, we did a bunch of things, right. In
eight days my motheryou couldshe could talk and you could hear
her. You could understand her talking. So right away we know were

doing okay. So then I have to go to Salt Lake City to do an international

conference. So I leave to go to Salt Lake City. I come back. My mother
takes off back home back to her McDonalds, cigarettes, and her
alcohol, nine months of super pain, and then she passes on. So
everything is a choice here. Okay. and all I want to make sure is that we
are giving people that choice.
Ty: So Dr. Wolfe, you have written a pamphlet that I think has
been turned into a little booklet. its called, Spoiled Rotten. And
that has to do with what youve been talking about, people that are
walking around that look like they may be pregnant but theyre
really not. Can you talk about Spoiled Rotten.
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Well Ty, Spoiled Rottenhmmyou know what that
means? What does spoiled rotten mean Ty?
Ty: Well, I mean typically we hear spoiled rotten and you think of a
child that you have spoiled rotten. But in this case it means
something different, doesnt it?
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: It means that you do no longer take ownership for
your decision making. It means that you no longer take ownership for
your decision making or for the responsibility of the body that youve
been given. Think about this one. We have been given a body and a
chance to come down here and experience a life here. Okay. We have
everything we need. We even have more than everything we need. But
meanwhile, everybody is in pain. Now why are they in pain? Because
theyre spoiled rotten. Okay. Because they have a conscious level.
Most people haveand Im not trying to down people, okay, and I mean
that. But most people have a conscious level, Ty, of four inches. Thats
from their mouth to the back of their throat. And then they have 30 feet
of hell. Okay. And we have been brainwashed to only have four inches
of pleasure and give up 30 feet. Now why are we spoiled rotten? Well, I
don't know Ty. How many people can go to the wash room and they
dont leave a stink in the washroom? How many do not wake up with
bad breath. Bad breath is not something you ate yesterday. Bad breath
is cause because you have food stuffs that have been rotting in you not
for days, not for weeks, but for years. You know what Ty, a person will
change the vacuum cleaner bag out when its full because they dont
want to burn out the engine. The average guy will make sure that he has
his oil change and tune up on his car. You wont allow the garbage to sit
under the sink for more than a day because it might stink up your
house.
But you know what, you have the conscious level of thought that you will
allow yourself to use toxic chemicals under your arms, you will use
breath mints and brush your teeth many times to hide the putrefaction
thats happening in your stomach. You use spray and deodorant
throughout your house and mainly in your bathroom to hide the rot thats
inside of you. You give me on symptom tie from the top of your head to
your toe and I will tell you that if you got into gentle daily cleansing of
your detoxification system which is your large intestine which is the
mother of all organs, it is the mother of all organs. It is more important
than any other organ in the human body because how could your blood
be dirty, your liver be overtaxed? How could your kidneys be in trouble?
How could you have skin conditions? How could you have mucous
coming out your eyes? Okay. How could any of this happen unless you
are reabsorbing your own toxic waste allowing your large intestine which
is the sewer system of your body to become a cesspool. What does a
cesspool breed Ty? A cesspool breads parasites, viruses, bacteria,
fungus, that is a parasite party. And then what are you going to do?
Listen to me. They dont tell you to detoxify because they know that
detoxification is the greatest weapon against the medical system. If you
dont detoxify then that means that youre going to have inflammation
youre going to have pain. Eventually that pain is going to bring your
immune system down just like draining a battery and you dont know
why. When that battery gets drained then anythingwe take in viruses,
bacteria every day but they dont harm us because were strong. But
they allow you to drain your energy out because youre a sugar carbo
junkie. And you eat dead foods and guess what dead foods dont
vibrate. They dont have energy so it sucks the living force out of you.
Theyre winning again. Then when that happens Ty youre in so much
bloody pain that now this infection comes in, a bad bacteria has a feast
on you and now what? Youve got some kind of illness. You got to the
doctor. Well, hes just going to write you a script for an antibiotic. 250
million scripts are written every year for antibiotics. Nowand thats in
the United States. You need to take one course of antibiotics to totally
create a life of hell if you dont know how to detoxify because what
happens is when you take those antibiotics to kill off that invader what
happens then?
What that does is it takes the good bacteria which are the main part
you know, the main part of your immune system lives in your large
intestine and thats your good bacteria. They do more than youll ever
dream of. Now those good bacteriawhat happens when antibiotics
come in they dont all get killed off because remember something,
antibiotics go in and they obliterate. So when they go in they take that
good bacteria and they change it over to a bad bacteria. That bad
bacteria now, guess what, you just finished yourself. Because
remember something, 85 percent of all pain is where? Oh my god, right
here. Well, wouldnt that make us wake up. Oh, let me see here. Im in
pain here all the time. Whats happening? And then that creates pain
through other parts of the body. So now those bad bacteria, what do
they crave Ty? And tell me, the medical system knows this.
Ty: Sugar, carbohydrates
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Thats right, sugar and carbohydrates. So, you know,
look at people how they drink wine now every night. Thats good
marketing but they crave that. They crave alcohol. They crave chips.
They crave pop, anything with sugar in it and then that sugar goes in
and guess what it does? It feeds those bad bacteria and they give off
whats called endotoxin. That endotoxin goes into your body and creates
more inflammation. That inflammation then creates acidosis which is the
root cause of all disease because now youre messing with your pH.
That acidosis creates crystallization. Listen to me. The older you get
youre like wood, youre like board. Youre stiff. Oh my achy joints. Well,
thats all crystallization. And what happens when you have pain in the
body? The body goes into helping you. It goes into a mode of helping.
What does it do? It sends fibrin which is like scar tissue to an area. So if
youre always in inflammation youre going to have tons of scar tissue. If
you have tons of scar tissue youre blocking your circulation. If youre
blocking your circulation youre creating mutation. Let me tell you
something. Antibiotics theyre pushed more than anything else. And
antibiotics are what are going to bring people down and create a life of
hell of they dont start detoxifying
Ty: Talk about the lymphatic system.
Burton Goldberg: Were being poisoned to death. One of the systems,

the garbage removal system, of our body is the lymph system. And very
few cancer physicians pay attention to the lymph system. It is the basis
of lymphocytes. These are the good guys. And it also is the garbage
removal system of the body. And I use a device myself. I have one that I
use on myself called the light beam generator. But theres few of them
that fractualize the molecules. You know women who have surgery in
the breast and the lymph edema happens. As a matter fact, thats how I
earned my doctorate. A woman in Pennsylvania had a leg that was so
swollen she was about to die. Her husband who was a retired rear
admiral in the Navy buys my book and sees a doctor in Oregon. Takes
his wife, Muffy Fanning, to Argon [ph] and theyre looking through the
electric thermal screening device and the dark field microscope and
they finally put her to sleep and then wake her up. Takes her blood and
they see the parasite for elephantitis. And they used conventional drug
here. See, Im not against medicine. Im againstin the emergency

trauma theyre the best in the world. But in degenerative disease there
are certain drugs and heroic surgeries. I would have been blindIm
87without these cataracts removed and I have lenses sewn in. I can
see close with one eye and its amazing what a wonderful medicine can
do. But dont confuse that with degenerative disease where they
become legalized drug pushers and paying no attention to the immune
system except to cut it out when they find cancer near the breast. So
you must fractionalize the molecules and open up.
Now very few cancer clinics use it and need it and do it. But thats one
of the ways you get the immune system functioning optimally.
Ty: So Dr. Wolfe, tell us what we can do the people that are
watching that had that belly that look like theyre pregnant but
theyre not. . How do we get rid of the toxicity internally now?
Youve given us the step that we can do externally. How do we get
rid of the belly?
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Well Ty, Ill tell you something. You know, Ive
worked withwhen I ran my other clinic we had over 200 products
because you get lost in this whole product thing. Im not there anymore.
its the simple steps in life that actually make the big differences, okay. I
use a product called Master Cleanse Tea and I want to just say this that
I already said that you need to do things gently on the body. We need to
start loving the body, not attacking the body. Weve been taught to
attack it, right. its like its the war on cancer. You know what? When you
attack cancer you attack the whole human body. Anyways, so we need
to gently love it. So I have my patients and people who are interested in
detoxifying do whats called Master Cleanse Tea. It takes like iced tea.
They do this. They drink only an eight ounce glass twice a day. Now
how difficult is that? its inexpensive. its simple. its effective and thats
all we have to do because see once you start cleansing out the large
intestine, okay, and how long does the large intestine take to clean? Do
you want to know? Not two weeks, not three weeks. Did you know that
the normal large intestine with no problems to it if youve never done a
detox takes nine months. So after doing the tea for nine months now the
tea is going in and its working on your liver, working on your blood
stream. Do you understand? So a little bit every day will keep
everything else away? Do you understand?
Ty: Yeah
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: So thats a really important thing. The other thing is
remember I told you that the core is really important. So what you put
into your mouth just ask yourself this one thing, because there is no
such thing as a neutral food. Will this food give me life? Does it breath
life or will this bring in toxins? Thats all you need to ask yourself. The
more man touches it the less I want to eat it. The closer it is to nature
when I replug myself in I will be healthy and I will be vibrant. That is that.
So what we have our patients do is we have them do things like
rebounding. Rebounding is one of the best exercises against cancer
and every other disease because it moves your lymph system better
than anything else and moving your lymph is the most important thing
against cancer and disease.
Ty: Thats fasting Dr. Wolfe. Tell me why, tell us why, why is
rebounding so important?
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Well, let meremember what I said. I always want
you to question people. I want all my patients. I say you question me
and you question everyone else. If theyre not speaking logic, if one and
one dont make two or if you go there and you go Im confused, or if you
feel fear from something I said chances are Im lying or I don't know Im
lying. Okay. So rebounding, think about it. When your children were
young and they couldnt walk and they were like little babies and they
were crying, what did you for the Ty? Do you remember? You bounced
them on your knee or you rocked them on your shoulder. Whyd you do
that? Because you arent totally brainwashed. You still have some
instinct left. So you rock the baby, right. And you rock the baby because
the only way that the lymph system can move is by up and down
motion. And your lymph system, okay, youve got eight pints of blood
but youve got 12 quarts of lymph. Dont you forget that. And when you
find that youre getting all puffy and swollen thats your lymph system
and youre in big trouble. So you know, when people they swell up like a
puff ball, well, thats because theyre retaining water because theyre so
bloody toxic and theyve been backing up waste for years. So when you
start cleansing out the colon and you rebound youre moving that stuff. If
you move the circulation its like if the water doesnt move you better not
drink it because its going to kill you because it has to circulate. So
rebounding also exercises every cell individually toning it.
Dr. Irvin Sahni: Yeah. So the lymphatic system is something that I

think people arent as aware of as their lungs and their heart. The
lymphatic system is basically to some degree and overflow valve for the
body. So what happens is we all know our heart pumps blood out to our
distal extremities. They go from arteries and the arteries go to capillaries
and then the capillariesso most of the blood that pumps through your
body is constantly bumping through your body goes from arteries to
capillaries and passes back into your heart through veins and goes in a
circuit through your heart and your lungs. There is some bleed off, okay,
and thats what we call interstitial pressure in tissues. And theres some
bleed off where fluid, and a lot of it has to do with osmotic forces. I don't
know if you rememberpeople remember osmosis and basically tissue
pressure gradients and some of this fluid will bleed off into that
interstitial pressure because the pressure inside the vessels is greater
than the pressure outside of the vessels and theres some bleed off,
some loss of fluid.
Well, that fluid doesnt jump back into your veins. It has to go
somewhere. Thats why some people get edema. Theyll get swelling in
their ankles and swelling in different parts of their bodies. Well, how
does thatwhere does that fluid go? Does it just disappear? Is goes
into your lymph system so your lymph system is a system of vessels.
Theres different components to it but your lymph system is a system
ofits likeits kind of like vessels. They dont have muscular walls like
bigger arteries but the lymph system grabs this fluid and then returns it
back into the system, ultimately back into the venous system through a
large duct in your chest called your thoracic duct. But this extra fluid sort
of bleeds out through these capillaries will then feed back into that
system. It also passes through other parts of your body including your
spleen. Okay. Thats also sort of considered part of your lymphatic
system, your thymus, your tonsils, and your adenoids what a lot of
people have removed as a child. Theres lymph tissue or theres
lymphocytes and those lymphocytes recognize pathogens, viruses,
bacteria, or things that are considered non-self that your body builds
immunity through those lymphocytes which is whats effective when
someone has an immune deficiency disorder whether you believe in HIV
virus or not. Theres certain immune deficiency disorders and T4 cells
and helper cells, different classes of cells are effected when the immune

system falters. And those are the little soldiers that are facing these
pathogens, these bacteria, these antigens, toxins even as they pass
through the lymphatic system and sort of as akind of like your oil filter,
I guess, theyre filtering out some of the nasty stuff. So the reason
jumping on a trampoline is useful is because your lymphatic system
unlike other parts like your muscles or your heart or your skeletal
muscle, it doesnt have its own muscle. It doesnt have a muscle
wrapped around it like arteries have muscle around them. its called the
tunica, tunica media. its what helps vascular changes. You can actually
change the pressure by those muscles clamping down or letting go.
Well, the lymphatic system doesnt have that ability. And so it depends
on the skeletal muscles for that return. So by compressing your thighs,
by just simply walking youre actually pushing lymph through your body.
its sort of passively pushed through by the other muscles in your body.
And so by hopping on a trampoline youre basically forcing those
muscles to contract and youre helping that drainage instead of having it
collect in your ankles like you see people with swollen ankles, youre
helping some of that return. And thats why when people start having
problems with blood pressure and their heart they sometimes will get
swollen ankles because that big pressure differential is pushing all that
fluid out into their interstitial tissues and their lymph system cant keep
up especially if theyre sedentary. If theyre sitting around, theyre sick,
theyre hurt, they have cardiothey have congestive heart failure and
their heart has poor return so they get dizzy quickly. Theyre not going to
be able to get up and walk around to help push that lymph back into
their venous system. And so a healthy person can just constantly
contract their muscles and keep that going. It also prevents you from
that constant activity is what also helps you from getting deep vein
thromboses. I don't know if you rememberI cant remember who he

was. There was a reporter who was embedded in either Afghanistan or
Iraq just kind of curled up in a ball and got dehydrated. He got DVTs
because of inactivity, okay, because he wasnt walking around. And that
clot was thrown to his heart and he died. He was 44-years-old. I know
he was in his early 40s when it happened. Very usual but, again,
inactivity is bad for you. And so the converse is true I think. Activity is
good for you. And thats why that specific form of exercise helps push
helps assist the lymphatic system in returning that fluid back to the
venous system.
Ty: Dr. Sahni, talk about far infrared saunas. I know that youre a
big proponent of far infrareds. Talk about the effect that this can
have on cancer.
Dr. Irvin Sahni: So far infrared saunas, the way they work is relatively
simple. They exploit or take advantage of a portion of the
electromagnetic spectrum that basically increases the temperature of
the body, creates hypothermia without exposing the body to some of the
negative portion of the spectrum which we know is the ultraviolet
spectrum. Go out in the sun too much you can get skin cancer
especially if you dont wear sunscreen and youre light complected. So
far infrared sauna takes a part of that spectrum that creates heat but not
necessarily damage in the way that being out in the sun does. I think the
Indians were probablyyou know, the American Indians were people
who were doing these more ritualistic heat treatments on themselves
long before far infrared saunas were around kind of. Maybe they didnt
understand the science behind it but they knew it was good for you. But
basically what it does is it raises your body temperature and then your
body has to release that heat. The way we release our heat is by
sweating and that sweating helpsthe sweat helps carry the heat away
from the body. So by stimulating that mechanism people dont realize
this but you excrete just as much urea, okay, through your skin, maybe
more. Id have to go back and look up the numbers, but a significant
amount of toxins are excreted through your skin as they are in your
urine or your stool. And in some cases probably specific toxins even
more. And so by exposing yourself to a reasonable timeframe and a
reasonable level, a safe level of heat you can just basically stimulate
your body to sort of accelerate that excretion of toxins and you can
make that happen faster.
The other reason a far infrared sauna is so useful is that normal cells
are able to withstand heat because of their normal anatomy compared
to the abnormal anatomy of say a cancer cell especially in relation to its
vascular supply. And so a cancer cell doesnt do well in a hyper thermic
situation. This has been shown in mainstream science to be the case.
And so by exposing your body to that heat youre selectively killing or

eradicating those less viable cells, those cancer cells without hurting
your normal cells. And so a far infrared sauna is useful because it can
help you sweat, excrete toxins, and in theory eliminate cancer cells
which cant survive the heat as well as the normal cells.
Ty: Concerning coffee enemas, is that something you think would

be appropriate for people that may not have been diagnosed with
cancer but just in light of the toxic overload that we have today
that thats something that could stimulate the liver to help secrete
all of the toxins. Is that something that is good for people that
dont have cancer?
Dr. Linda Isaacs: I believe so. Now I have to put in a disclaimer when I
say something like that since we live in a litigious world. So Ill say that
Im not telling any of your audienceIm not advising them to do it. They
need to get instruction on how to do it properly. But having said that,
yes, I do think that theyre beneficial for anybody. And I think most
people find they feel better with them. And so they tend to sell
themselves. None of our patients coming in for the first time ever believe
this. But I tell them its going to be your favorite part of the program. And
they come back and say youre absolutely right. I never miss the coffee
enemas because they made me feel so much better.
Ty: What is it about the coffee in the enemas that helps to detoxify
the body?
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: Interestingly enough when you drink coffee it

tends to suppress the liver. When you take coffee as an enema rectally
the caffeine stimulates a bunch of nerves in the lower colon called the
sacral parasympathetic nerves. When they are turned on by caffeine
they feed back to the liver through a reflex reaction and within seconds
cause the liver to release all its toxins. Nothing helps the liver clean out
faster and more efficiently and more effectively than coffee enemas.
And for cancer patients when youre breaking down a tumor quickly with
the enzyme you got all this tumor debris that can be deadly and life
threatening. It gets the liver to work better so they process these tumor
wastes very effectively. And then you just poop them out with the
enemas.
Paul Barattiero: If we really look at our body, three-quarters of our body

is water, if were properly hydrated. Most people are not. We know that
70 to 80 percent of America is chronically dehydrated. So thats another
whole problem. But why is water important? Water, believe it or not,
functions in every system from joints to the brain to the blood is 93
percent water. So people dont think even down to the bones are 13 to
22 percent. So water is everywhere in our system and its critical to
health that we are properly hydrated. When we are not properly
hydrated our metabolic rate is reduced, our thought processes are
reduced, the toxins that we eat are supposed to be removing are not
happening. And so our bodys are taxed and burdened with having to do
that in other ways. And so we end with skin issues. We end up with a lot
of different pathology as itjust as a result of chronic dehydration
because were not putting water in. I call water our filtration system for
our body. So when we bring water into our system we want to void out
that same amount of water but take some things with it that we didnt
want in our body in the first place. And thats the way I look at water.
And if water is structured properly it will do that. Free radicals are
missing in electrons. Our cells function electrically. Our bodies are
electric and we have a lot of electricity and electrons that are flowing in
our system. And ultimately without electrons cells dont function
properly. And the way free radicals harm us is they go and steel
electrons from healthy cells.
Ty: So a free radical is what, its what is missing in an electron.
Paul Barattiero: its an oxygen.
Ty: Oxygen
Paul Barattiero: A free radical is an oxygen missing one of its eight

electrons so it only has seven electrons
Ty: So typically oxygen has eight electrons.
Paul Barattiero: Uh-huh

Ty: Okay. And a free radical is oxygen atom is missing one of them.
Paul Barattiero: Thats right.
Ty: Okay.
Paul Barattiero: So what it will do is it will go throughout the body and

steal electrons from healthy cells that are weaker than the oxygen itself
and take it from it. Well, when it does that that cell no longer functions
appropriately or cant function at all depending on what kind of cell it is.
So thats why free radicals harm our system is if we take out a
percentage of our cells not functioning we lessen the entire
effectiveness of our system. its like taking part of your engine away in
the vehicle. its not going to go.
Ty: Right.
Paul Barattiero: So in our body being taxed and taxed and taxed not
only toxins but were actually oxidizing our cells or thats what free
radicals do is theyre stealing electrons and electrons are the fuel. its
got to function electrically. Youve got to have those electrons. So when
we have water thats properly structured with a negative electrical
charge, for instance, theres a net gain or an increase of one electron
which can be donated to complete those free radicals. its basically what
an antioxidant does. Any antioxidant that people are choosing has an
extra electron and thats how antioxidants function with the cellular
system.

Ty: So and then they donate that extra electron to the oxygen
atom thats missing the electron.
Paul Barattiero: Uh-huh, to the free radicals, yep.
Ty: Okay. And then it completes, It basically completes the oxygen

atom.
Ty: Then what Im hearing you say is that if you have water thats
structured properly it can act the same way as antioxidants which
everybody knows antioxidants are good.
Ty: So talk about structured water. What is that?
Paul Barattiero: So structured water is water that is mineral rich. So

we need water to have minerals, not that we need the minerals in our
body because the waterthe minerals that are contained in water are
inorganic. Theyre rock. Theyre flowing off mountains, theyre flowing
wherever they pick up minerals as they go throughout the earths
surface or wherever theyre going. Theyre picking up mineral content
and those minerals are inorganic. We dont need those minerals but
water needs those minerals so that water can be structured. And when
we talk about structuring were talking about the electrical properties and
the energy properties of water so that water functions the way it should.
Most people are not aware that tap for instance has a positive electrical
charge, not a negative electrical charge. Things that have positive
electrical charges are oxidized. Theyll oxidize other things. Thatsrust
is oxidation.
So that metal is being oxidized because the electrons are being taken
from it not added to it. So youre weakening its structure. And ultimately
positive electrical charge is great from a sterilization perspective but not
from an antioxidant. its actually an oxidant and thats great for killing
bacteria and viruses because you want to oxidize them or steal their
ability to function. But when it comes to our body we dont want to do
that to us. We want to have the opposite charge, the negative electrical
charge so that were giving electricity back to us or were donating
electrons to us. So effectively structured water is water that has that
proper electrical charge with the proper mineral content and it therefore
when you think of any structure, a house or what have you, its the
foundation. its the support mechanism to hold up the rest of that. Water
needs to be structured. It needs that foundational electrical charge and
the mineral content to support the way the water clusters are bonded
and functioning together.
Ty: Talk about the difference between filtered water, alkaline

water, structured water. Weve all heard these terms. Whats the
distinction? Whats the difference between these?
Paul Barattiero: Okay, so trying to put it real simply for everyone to

understand because water can be very confusing. People go out on the
internet and they look up things and within ten minutes they give up
because its extremely confusing to understand what the heck Im
supposed to do with water. And people end up going back to tap water
or bottled water, which is very unfortunate. Filtered water is simply
running water through a filtration media and there are many different
types of mediacarbon. My favorite, one of my favorite medias is KDF.
Its a proprietary media that does some amazing things and we have it
in our filtration for that reason. its got 14 patents and is amazing,
amazing, zinc and copper together. Thats what creates this media. But
effectively filtration youre removing the things out of water. Thats
really
Ty: The bad stuff you dont want.
Paul Barattiero: Yeah, yeah, youre removing the chlorine, the

chloramines, youre removing metals, youre removing different things
out of water that you really dont want to be consuming in your system.
Lets get them out before we put it in our body.
Ty: Which seems like a good idea.
Paul Barattiero: Absolutely! 100 percent. And Im a huge proponent for

filtration. Thats for sure. Filtration is one aspect. What were really doing
when we talk about structuring is were using electricity and magnetic
field to structure water. Were giving water an electrical charge. Were
giving water a magnetic charge, which structures water. And ultimately
after weve gone and already filtered it because we do have a nine
stage filtration, then were going through the process and were charging
the water through electricity. Thats where the whole eco name came
from is electrically charged H2O. thats where the word ECO came from
for what were using. But having the dimensional structuring for water to
have electric and magnetic field were duplicating what the earth
provides. Peopleprobably the number one question I ask is, well,
where does this happen in nature. And, of course, living in Florida I just
point to the clouds when its raining and youre seeing a lot of lightning.
Lightning is electricity. Thats who waters being structured before it
rains upon the earth is lightning in the clouds.
Ty: So rain water is structured.
Paul Barattiero: Yeah, yeah, it is structured. Now our issue is once we

do something with it we unstructured it, we change it. We put chlorine,
we do all kinds of stuff through pressurized pipes and all kinds of things
and we change that structuring that nature does.
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Everybody showers in chlorinated water almost,

almost everybody. One shower you can absorb 10 to 12 glasses worth
of chlorine through your skin in one shower. Most people drink
chlorinated water. That destroys your digestive tract. That is one of the
biggest things for creating cancer in the body. And weand just
because its sanctioned. Do you understand that all the things that are
killing us today are sanctioned by our government and kept hush by the
medical system. Why is that Ty? That is true deception. We need to
wake up. The next thing is when were talking about water, why would
anybody drink out of this? The PCBs in this are enough to kill you. I see
people going to Costco and I see them loading up with three cases of
this for the week. Theyre actually paying money and theyre trying to lift
these big cases up and their tummies are sticking out like theyre three
months pregnant and thats the husband too. And theyre drinking this.
Did you ever open up a bottle, right, and then take a drink and you can
taste the plastic? Well, thats your cancer fix. Now theres chemical
theres cancer causing chemicals in this every time you open a bottle
whether you taste it or not. So theres the water. Now why am I talking
about water? Well, because Ty, youre almost 80 percent water. And
you know what? Waters really important. If you want to be truly Ty you
need to gently cleanse on a daily basis just like you need to have certain
rules. You dont have to be a health nut. But you need to have certain
rules that I am going to always reach for something thats alive not
dead. I am always going to reach for something thats not packaged. I
am always going to drink water that is structured and dynamic that will
actually bring in a life force into my body. Ifits like, okay, do you know
how you work really hard and then you go, oh god, I need a holiday. So
then you go away on this two week holiday and you feel like wow. It
takes two weeks for you just to calm your system down. And then you
come back and it only takes you three days to get back to where you
were before.
Simple, life changing steps will keep you away from all disease. And
they will also pull you out of being fearful all the time because youre just
doing the right things and loving your body. If we gently cleanse every
day and we dont allow the toxins to build up why would you let all this
waste buildup and feel real crappy and then dump the load like a dump

truck and you cant handle it? So when you get up in the morning just
like the animals, what do they do? Well, first thing animals do in the
morning when they wake up because we are part of nature and were
disconnected from nature. When we return to nature we will never have
to live in fear again. So the first thing you want to make sure you do
every morning is have a really good bowel movement and really
evacuate and clean out properly. Then you want to hydrate like we
should do. You want to drinkif you weigh 200 pounds then you need
to drink a 100 ounces of purified structured dynamic water a day. And
you want to drinkso that would be like four quarters, right Ty?
Ty: Uh-huh
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: But guess what? You want to drink two and a half
quarters by noon and you want to have the other one and a half quarts
drank by 5:00 because thats when youre all heated up an you like
eradicate or you want to keep your body cool. And you want that
detoxification to happen. So if you dont eat whole plant based diet and
drink plenty of water and then take something like a master cleansing
herbal concoction that will go in and gently cleanse your body of what
you pick up each day then Ill tell you something youre going to need a
dump truck. Do you notice how every group has an icon like a figure that
they look up to? For the medical system whats their icon? Their icon is
Hippocrates. Hippocrates was the father of medicine. And if you dont
mind Id like to read this because I dont want to get it wrong. So their
leader who they look up to because they took the Hippocratic oath,
right? Okay. This is what they look up. Let food by thy medicine and
medicine by thy food. I don't know. They dont talk about diet. I mean
thats the root of all life. So right there theyve failed greatly. Make a
habit of two things, to help or at least do no harm. Meanwhile weve got
a war on cancer. You cant go to war with anything Ty. You want to go
to war with me. What happens?
Ty: We both die.
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Thats right. Next thingnatural forces within us are
the true healers of disease. So where have they forgotten, they have
forgotten, I havent forgotten, you havent forgotten, so we must go
within and we must understand something, that nobodys going to save
your butt Ty. When you got that body and you came down here on that
planet you made a promise to somewhere somehow that you were
doing to respect and love your body and you were going to make the
decisions. Every decision, okay, has a consequence and it can be either
good or bad. Now do you let somebody else look after your finances
Ty? Well, why would you let someone else look after your body? Okay.
One last thing that Hippocrates stated. Whenever a doctor cannot do
good he must be kept from doing harm. What happened to the

Hippocratic oath? I think the only thing thats left is called a hypocrite.
Ty: Powerful words from Dr. Wolfe, what we have left is a

hypocrite. So in tonights episode we learn how to flush the body
with toxins, how to clean out your system. Tomorrow were going
to learn how to fill it back up with the good stuff. Were going to
learn about what we call advanced medicines. Is cancer eating
away at you? Were going to teach you maybe how you can eat
away at cancer.
Terri: Hi, my name is Terri. And let me tell you about my story, my
recovery from stage IV breast cancer. Okay. In 2002 I was diagnosed
with breast cancer and I went through the medical route. I didI had
surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, I ended up a mastectomy. Every year
once a year the cancer would come back. And then after the doctors
started to give me a chemotherapy which was a pill, which was toxic my
husband wasnt allowed to touch it with his hands but Im supposed to
swallow it twice a day.
And after thatand the doctor said, well, this will give you a few more
months. And at that point it was stage IV cancer. I went through it. I had
these side effects which burned my hands and the bottoms of my feet.
And it felt like I was walking on rocks with sunburned feet At that point in

time I just prayed to God, I said, alright, Im ready to go home if thats

what you want me to do. Im really okay with it but if you want more for
me to do just show me because Ive done everything I thought I should
do but it wasnt working.
So after I prayed and as I was recovering from all of the chemotherapy I

had read a lot about natural healing withfor cancer. And Ithrough
reading that I got several different people who contacted me through a
route which encompassed the five essentials of maximized living. And
this is before I even knew anything about that. But I ended up going
through a detox which was a detox program through raw foods, and
colonics, and all kinds of things to detox my body. I took SCIT [ph] but
all kinds of natural routes. Well, after about three months the cancer
was gone and it never did come back. And thats been ten years. So
through that God healed me.

Episode 5: Eating Away At Cancer


Episode 5: Eating Away at Cancer
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Ty: Welcome back and thanks for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed
last nights show. Youre really going to enjoy tonights show. Last
night, we learned about how to detoxify your body, how to get the
bad guys out, how to clean out your system and flush them out.
Tonight, were going to teach you how to fill it back up with the
good stuff because when youre bodys full of the good stuff,
which were going to teach you tonight your immune systems
going to work the way its supposed to and youre going to be able
to fend off cancer that way that your body was intended to. Maybe
theres people out there that think cancer is eating away your body
and maybe it is. Were going to teach you how to eat away at
cancer. Tonights episode is going to be extremely powerful so
grab a pen and paper. Youre going to want to take notes.
Now first off I want you to listen to what Dr. Rashid Buttar has to
say about alternative versus advanced medicine.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: I dont call this alternative because I know some
people call it that. I call this advanced medicine. Why do I call it
advanced medicine? Very simple. Because youve got conventional,
and lets use bypass surgery as an example, of something thats been
around for 60 years, right. Thats considered traditional conventional.
But something like acupuncture that has over six thousand years of
history is called alternative, non-conventional. So how can you take
something thats only got a 50 year track record and call that traditional
and take something with five thousand or six thousand years of history
and call that non-traditional? You see its a total misnomer.
Ty: [Dr. Isaacs], can you talk about the importance of nutrition in
treating cancer? Why does it place such a big role?
Dr. Linda Isaacs: Well, part of the issue with the work that we do is
that as patients take the pancreatic enzymes and the enzymes work on
the body, you need the body to be as strong as possible to handle that
whole process because a lot of waste materials are formed. And if
youre eating in effect a lot of things that need to be processed and
gotten rid of like pesticide residues or sprays or waxes or chemicals,
those sorts of things. We think that that just puts an extra load on the
body to process and deal with that kind of thing. So you need good
quality food to be able to have the energy to fight the cancer and to get
rid of the waste materials as the enzymes work on cancer. And certainly

I think that nutritional issues can have a big part of why people get
cancer in the first place. So it doesnt make sense to think that an illness
that is created by a lifestyle can be managed without modifying that
lifestyle. In other words, why would you want to go back to the same
lifestyle that got you to where you didnt want to be?
Mike Adams: What you eat and drink is digested, right, and it becomes
your blood composition. Your blood is made of what you eat and drink.
And people say, yeah, I get that. Okay. Great! Unless you think your
blood is made magically, which it doesnt happen. So then your blood
circulates throughout your body, your blood brings the materials that
them become your organs that fuel your brain, your cognitive function,
that fuel the function of all your organs, and that replenish and rebuild all
the cells of the body. As you lose cells you build new cells. You replace
cells. So clearly whats in your blood becomes your physical body, right?
And they say, yeah right, I get that. So then, you literally are what you
eat physically. its an inescapable conclusion. So if youre eating junk, if
youre eating toxins, if youre eating heavy metals, your body, your
brain, your organs, your skin, everything thats in your physical body
becomes junk, becomes toxic
Ty: Wow!
Mike Adams: becomes processed, not natural. That idea is not yet
recognized by the entire system of modern medicine with all its claimed
advances, with all the billions of dollars that have gone into the cancer
research industry. They still cannot yet grasp a simple concept that a
five-year-old understands almost automatically. You are what you eat.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Almost any cancer doctor now that uses this, what
we call, alternative therapies to any degree of success the first thing that
they will have patients do is change what you eat. Youve got to change
that internal environment, right, so you can give these cells the heads
up that youre not going to have to try to survive in a toxic environment
anymore. When that happens then they start to pleomorph back into
normal cells because its much easier physiologically to live as a normal
cell, right. Normal cells go through what we call oxidative
phosphorylation which means you take oxygen, you take sugar and you
make 32 molecules of this ATP which is our energy currency, right.
Ty: You said oxidative phosphorylation .

Dr. Roby Mitchell: Oxidative phosphylation, right, so we puttake

oxygen and through this process we add a phosphorus to this ATP and
thats our energy currency, right, thats how we move about. And the
more ATP the better, right. So if youre a cell that is able to undergo
oxidative phosphorylation, and again youre able to do that because of
cellular genes is turned on you have to go through whats called the
KREB cycle. Then thats a happy state, right. If you have to move to
this anaerobic, what we call anaerobic, metabolism for every molecule
of glucose you cant get 32 ATP anymore. You can only get two
molecules of ATP, right.
Ty: Right. And anaerobic means
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Anaerobic means you dont have to have oxygen,
right.
Ty: Okay.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: That means that I can survive without oxygen, right,
which makes me able to survive in a more toxic environment but it
makes my energy level a lot more restricted. So then thats why cancer
cells are so ravenous about having to absorb sugar, right, because they
can only make two ATP per molecule.
Ty: Because cancer cells love sugar, you hear that phrase all the
time and that explains why that phrase came about.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Correct! You know, one of the tests that we use to
diagnose cancer is a PET scan. So with a PET scan we take radiated
sugar, right, and we inject it in you because cancer cells take up sugar
so much more efficiently than normal cells they will take up that radiated
sugar and then were able to see on the CAT scan where the sugar is,
which that tells us where the cancer is, right? So yeah, so were very
aware of the dependence on cancer cells for prodigious amounts of
sugar. And thats why, again, cancerI mean cancer patients die of
starvation is because the cancer cells will suck up all the sugar from
normal cells.
Ty: That leads me to the question then when you see a cancer
patient, and what is it called when a cancer patient dies of
starvation. Its
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Cachexia
Ty: Cachexia

Dr. Roby Mitchell: Right
Ty: its called cachexia. When you see a patient that has cachexia
and lets say their oncologist says youre wasting away, go out and
eat anything you want. Is that wise advice?
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Thats like you being stranded in the middle of the
ocean and thirsty and you drink salt water.
Ty: Great analogy.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Yeah
Ty: So I mean I don't know how many patients that Ive dealt with
over the years that have come and said, you know, Im losing
weight. Im in the cachexia cycle. And my oncologist has told me to
go eat ice cream, cake, whatever will put the weight on me.
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Right
Ty: So in other words
Dr. Roby Mitchell: Thats gasoline on the fire.
KC Craichy: Super food nutrition is a concept that I started working on

in the 90s and I wrote actually my first white paper on the subject, which
I call the four corners of optimal nutrition at that point. Now I refer to it as
the four corners of super food nutrition because the piece of super food
nutrition is so interesting is that super food nutrition as we have defined
it that we know in health that there are something on the order of 50 to
53, depends on how you slice them. By that I mean, some people will
argue about how many essential vitamins there are, how many essential
minerals there are. Some people say theres nine essential amino acids,
when others will say theres 10. And if you add conditioning essentials
there might be 12. So depending on how you slice it though these things
called essential, or in this case, dietary essential means you have to get
them from your diet in order to get them. Theyokay, the body can do
anything and make the non-essentials. Now technically theyre all
essential but the dietary essentials you must consume for the body to
use that as raw material to make the other things that your body needs.
And so if youre not getting those 50 plus essential nutrients then youre
going to have physiologic consequences as a result. The four corners
that we start with, calorie restriction with optimal nutrition. Now years
ago you may remember the biosphere project with Dr. Roy Walford,

UCLA, that were in the biosphere and the whole thing was about they
were going to grow the food that they used. And so its going to be a
self-sustained environment and they werent getting anything in or out of
it. Theyd have to grow what they needed.
Well, they ended up growingthey had something go wrong and they

couldnt grow enough food for them. So they had to ration what they ate
to have less food. And while they were hungry and all they found
remarkable physiological and psychological changes that were very
positive and that really spawned the whole calorie restriction movement,
you know, the calorie restriction, fasting movement, and so on. So
calorie restriction with optimal nutrition theres now been more than two
thousand studies in virtually every organism, single cell organism, all the
way up to primates and even in humans now that suggest that this is
positive for physiology.
That it actually is kind of like if you would say if there was a fountain of
youth it would extend life, delay disease, enhance performance,
optimize weight, increase mental clarity and start going down the list of
things that are beneficial from doing this approach. So if you now take
calorie restriction and you add optimal nutrition most people would
agree that if you ate less calories but you max out the nutrients and get
all these 51 that were talking about at the same time that it has got to
be better for you than either eating a lot of calorically dense food or a
little bit of calorically dense food. You see what Im saying. So that piece
is a very important piece of the puzzle.
Theres a really cool study in Journal of Nutrition in 2001. Its four

groups of mice, genetically altered mice, altered to be more susceptible
to disease. So the first group of mice wasthey call it the all you could
eat group. So they gave it all the food it could eat all the time so it
grazed all the time. They also added corn oil to the situation. So these
mice live an average of 232 days, so 232 on the average. And so the
second group, same kind of mice, same feeding method but all they did
was instead of corn they gave fish oilokay, fish oil and they lived an
average of 100 days longer, okay, just adding the fish oil. Theres still
garbage food underneath if you think about it. So the third group was
the calorie restriction where they take the same food, same feeding
method but they actually cut the calorie of the food by 40 percent. They
lived an average of 200 days longer than the 232 day controlled just by
eating less of unhealthy food they were eating. Okay.
And the last of the four groups was the calorie restriction group
combined with fish oil and this group lived an average of 400 days
longer than the 232 day control. So 600 and something days versus 200
and something days. So thats a fascinating little study. And as I always
say, if youre a mouse you really ought to be thinking about this kind of
nutrition. But anyway, now this does translate in a lot of ways. It just
shows the high impact that nutrition could actually be.
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Theres a very important study in 2004

called the SU.VI.MAX study.
Ty: SU.VI.MAX?
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: SU.VI.MAX, and they gaveit was 13

thousand participants. They gave them antioxidants because in the
oncologywith the oncologists they go, oh my god, you cant take any
antioxidants. its going to interfere with the chemo. Well, they obviously
didnt read the Su Vi Max study because there was 13 thousand people
and the one who took the antioxidant cocktail survivedwere 31
percent decrease of death, not only from cancer but other diseases. So
antitheres _______ [00:12:51] evidence that antioxidants work way
better for you if you are receiving any kind of chemotherapy and taking
antioxidants.
Ty: Which is a little bit opposite of what you typically hear.
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: No, its completely opposite of what you
hear.
Ty: Right.
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: So I always tell patients please disregard

that information. That would mean the doctor should tell you to drink
milkshakes and McDonalds hamburgers and chicken McNuggets
because if you eat spinach, which has antioxidants, if you eat apples,
which have antioxidants, and if you eat peppers it has antioxidants,
okay, that doesnt even make logical sense.
Ty: Yeah. It makes no sense.
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: It makes no sense whatsoever. So I tell

people please disregard that. Think about what makes sense. Even
Readers Digest now tells people how to eat healthy. And dont tell me
that what you eat doesnt matter. It does. Thats biochemistry 101. You
learn that in medical school.

KC Craichy: You know, most cancer centers you go to today will tell
you that you are not to take antioxidants during cancer treatment
because the process which we are using, theyre telling you, is an
oxidative process and our goal is to use that process for your benefit to
try to bring about the killing of cancer cells so that beforeso if you
used antioxidants they would essentially quench what were trying to do.
But the research does not back that up. Ive now seen multiple studies
on this particular presentation said that canceror taking antioxidants
during cancer treatment extends the patient life outcome dramatically
than those who do not receive antioxidants during. Antioxidants are by
nature anti-inflammatory, okay, and by nature anti-glycotant [ph]. So in
other words, antiglycation and by
Ty: What would that mean?
KC Craichy: Glycation is basically carmelization of a protein. So

instead of having oxidation with oxygen, okay, oxidized in a fat or a lipid,
its like having a sugar carmelized on top of a protein and make the
protein irrelevant. Okay, advanced, glycated in the product. So A-G-E,
age, so really when you see like cross linked old skin what youre seeing
is collagen cross linking or advanced glycated end products, glycation. I
wrote about this in my book in 2005 and I said there in five years
glycation is going to be as well known as oxidation. Well, here it is 10
years later and stillnobody still knows about it. But the point is simple.
It is a foundational root of disease including canceroxidation,
inflammation, glycation, and angiogenesis. Angiogenesis is basically
getting a blood supply to an area.
Say if you twist your ankle youre going to get aggressive inflammation
and the inflammation is going to draw the angiogenesis to the area to
where the body will release new blood flow to the area and then when
the chronic situation is over with or when the acute situation is over with
it will pull back the vessels and youre fine. its the chronic angiogenesis
thats the problem. In a cancer cell, most cancer cells, they will hide and
then get a blood supply through angiogenesis which is chronic
angiogenesis which is a big problem. The point Im making here is this
corner, the antioxidant corner, when youre addressing all five of these
classes, those things actually address, they regulate these four major
processes that underlie the disease. So if you control oxidation and
inflammation and glycation and angiogenesis you cana disease
cannot progressI mean Im oversimplifying it. But if you take these
foundational root power of a disease away its going to really stunt the
growth of whatever that disease is trying to do. And you can do that
through nutrition. Weve seen that.

Dr. Robert Scott Bell: We need to look also at the mineral content for
the connective tissue. I talked about silica. Most of the foods
unfortunately that we eat have been robbed of these trace elements
because industry has found it much more profitable to take those
minerals and use them for different reasons, and they leave us with the
deficient foods. So we talk about something like silica. You could go to
something like the horsetail extract, something that you could grow and
make into a tea yourself or concentrate in whole food form from a tea.
And now you have an abundance of silica which, again, is one of those
trace minerals so critical. And the only time youve find it in a health food
store is in the little beauty section for women that want to have better
nails or hair or skin.
And yet we ignore the fact that the integrity of the entire connective
tissue of the body. The vascular system as well is dependent upon that
humble trace element thats been removed from most foods. We talk
about foods like whole grains that used to contain abundant amounts of
chromium. And theyve been robbed of the chromium because the soils
dont contain it or industry refines it out. Chromiumwhy do we need
that? The form that I talk about is grown as food because it manages
what? Sugar, blood sugar, it helps to deliver it successfully into the cells
and mobilize it out of the cells should we need it if we dont have enough
coming in from external sources. And then we see theas Dr. Buttar
calls itthe obligate glucose metabolizer cancer really taking advantage
of the fact that we are chromium deficient. It has access to the sugar
very readily because we dont have the chromium necessary to bind it
and help deliver it so the cancer cells cant get it. So thatd be another
aspect.

Other foods like brazil nuts are rich in selenium although we see as well
now lower than it was. And we need for real metabolic benefit of
selenium, higher quantities than were getting just from brazil nuts and
other foods. So concentrating the selenium in a food grown source or
form is going to be critical. Utilizing upwards of 200 mcg a day bare
minimum as preventative maintenance but upwards of 400, 600, 800 or
even a 1000-mcg of this food grown form of selenium to reverse the
cancer like no other trace mineral can do. And rather than believe the
FDA and their corrupt study of yester year that says selenium can be
toxic to you, the form that were talking about is not a synthetic isolate, a
food grown form. We can take large quantities without concerning
ourselves with selenotoxicity and it will greatly benefit the cancer
patients almost more than anything else.
Heck, read the Bible. Its the plants that were the gifts of creation and
that gave us the medicines that we needed that would nourish us. And
somehow we abandoned that over the course of the last 100 200
years. For what? For a petrochemical, ultimately, a petrochemical
monopoly. Again, there was funding associated, federal funding,
matching funds with these so-called trusts that were very profitable.
They found ways that they could convince the public through public
relations, campaigns to donate, for instance, to the American Cancer
Society, and that they would be matched by these wealthy elites on that
level that were really profiting handsomely on the backend of this and
thought of us all as fools. And in fact, we were. We bought into the myth
and the lies that the only way we could survive the plagues and the
infectious disease is to embrace a petrochemical reality that, yes, could
kill things but could also kill all of us in the process. And were seeing
now generations into this as the rise of chronic disease in younger and
younger children to the point where youre seeing babies born almost in
a cancerous state. And thats unacceptable to me but I didnt know any
different.
And you know, the argument can be made, only its a ridiculous
argument, that the reason this is happening in children is that theyre
living longer than they used to. Thats why theres cancer, more cancer
in kids. I mean its absurd. Why would we have cancer in children?
These are not genetic diseases any more than autism is a genetic
disease but thats a whole other story but it relates. For me its very
important what goes in. That means also purifying and cleaning the
water. Talk about structuring the water as well because theres an
energy to water thats why homeopathy is so amazing that goes beyond
merely filtering it and cleaning it. So there are other nuances to
protecting ourselves from cancer. Theres always something more to do
but at the proverbial end of the day just do what you have genuine
control over, right. You cant do that which you cant. That you can turn
over to God. Pray on it. But that which you have control over we are
asked to do. We cant slack off on that which we have genuine control
over to choose cleaner foods, to choose cleaner waters, to not do
certain things that we know are self destructive. These are within our
power. Were asked to do that. We cant abuse the privilege of life and
say, well, nah. I dont want to do that one. Ultimately we have to take
control over that which we have been granted and given control over.
Ty: What does an anti-cancer diet look like in your office?
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Well, we teach our patientsIm not the
nutritionist but I willI do instruct patients. first of all, you have to eat
foods, mostly vegetables, okay. I dont care if they eat fruits but you
have to a low sugar diet because cancer feeds off of sugar. Dr. Otto
Warburg won a noble prize, said that cancer cells thrive in a
fermentative energy source which is sugar. Sugar hason the cancer
cell, the receptor sites for sugar, thats how we do a PET scan. When
you give a PET scan you give it radiotrace glucose and the cancer cells
light up or they dont light up. And they light up because theyre eating
the sugar or they dont. So you cannotyou got to get people off sugar.
People are addicted to sugar, sugar is a poison. Its a toxin. And it
paralyzes the cell from doing their job. We have this blood test called
the hemoglobin A1C which is a reflection of your blood sugar over 90
days. It is aging marker. Your body has what they call glycosylation
taking place.
We know that at a certain number with the electron microscopyJohns

Hopkins has written on thisthat the cells change after a hemoglobin
A1C greater than 5.0 which is consider ideal. So you have to get off
sugar. I dont care how you slice it. Youve got to get off it. Yeah. There
are people that can eat sugar and they have great blood sugars. Luckily
theyre blessed but most people are not. I mean if you look at the
statistics 70 80 million people are pre-diabetic. So that means theyre
already very increased risk of cancer. Then you have the diabetics.
Then if you look at children, one in three children after the year 2000
have diabetes. Okay. The complications of diabetes are everything
your eyes, your circulation, your heart, your immune system, everything
is non-functional, amputation of limbs. Probably thats the number one
reason for amputation of limbs if from high blood sugar. So youve got to
get off sugar and you then you got to get off of things that turn into
sugar. So the things that turn into sugar are bread, rice, pasta, and
potatoes.

Ty: [Dr. Roby], what would be a diet that you, a general diet, that
you could recommend that would keep the immune system strong
and prevent cancer?
Dr. Roby Mitchell: So when I started working with Dr. Wright, one of
the things that I had been involved with was treating people for the
fungal overgrowth that happens in our body. And the thing that I started
to realizeone of the things that I realized years before that was that
the common denominator of any of these natural herbal plant, exotic
fruit, super food remedies that work, the common denominator with
them was that they had some powerful antifungal in them, right. And
thats what garlic, thats what aspirin, thats what these polyphenolic
compounds in the skin of red grapes, the resveratrol.
So I went into the lab and I started investigating, well, which foods are
the highest in theseor not necessarily which foods are the highest,
but which foods had the most impact on controlling candida overgrowth.
And so I set up Petri dishes right there in the lab. And we inoculated
them with candida. And then we just went about inoculating them then
with extracts from different fruits and vegetables and so forth to see
which ones made the biggest, what we call, zone of exclusion in the
Petri dish, right? And so we had the Petri control down here with a
medication call Diflucan that we know kills yeast, right. And so we knew
that it was going to leave a big clear space in there, right, where it didnt
allow yeast to grow. And then down here we have just water, right. And
so that plate just grew white with yeast overgrowth because there was
nothing to inhibit it. And then all these other plates I was able to see,
you know, which ones worked better or worse at keeping yeast under
control. So with that, that was the spring board for what is now called
the BALI planB-A-L-I. And BALIs standing forthats an acronym for
basic antioxidant/antifungal, and then low insulin.
So we want toand regardless of the name that you call it, right, where
theres the ______ [00:26:23] therapy or the paleo diet or Mediterranean
diet or whatever, what is going to work as far as keeping cells out of an
environment that incents them to pleomorph into cancer cells is one that
keeps the yeast under control, right. It keeps you from developing fungal
overgrowth because when that fungus gets up to a certain level then
your immune system is going to response with the weapons of mass
destruction and its going to create a toxic environment and your cells
are going to cough and choke and theyre going to start changing into a
cellular form that will allow them to survive that toxic environment. So
again, regardless of what youd call it, the food that you eat has to be
food that keeps fungal growth under control and doesnt throw gasoline
on the fire.

So when we eat foods that have, what we call, a high glycemic index,
right, so the grains and sugars, right, in corn, wheat, rice, those things,
then were creating an environment, right, that promotes fungal
overgrowth, right, and thats going to cause inflammation and thats
going to, again, incent cells to turn to cancer cells, right. So we have just
seen that more and more as our diets have gotten more and more
refined. That was over hereit started over here in the western world.
Now we see it as we have outsourced all of our computer jobs and
manufacturing jobs over to these third worlds, right, and they get money
in their pocket and then we send coke and McDonalds over there. Now
were seeing breast cancer, for instance, in women that we didnt see
breast cancer in before. Were seeing prostate cancer in men that we
didnt prostate cancer in before in these third world countries, right. And
its again, because theyre eating the same food that gave us the
problem over here.
Chris Wark: So what did my diet look like? It was very simple. And I
think a hard core nutritional approach to cancer needs to be very simple
because there are a lot of options out there. It can get very complicated.
And a lot of people havetheyre seeing so many different directions
they dont even know where to go and they get paralyzed. And so I
realized, okay, what is the most fundamental, foundational part of my
healing approach? And thats good. Ive got to get as much nutrition in
my body as I can from the earth. And so I started juicing and I drank
about 64 ounces of vegetable every day, mostly carrot juice. I ate giant
salads full of cruciferous and allium vegetables, thats broccoli,
cauliflower, kale, cabbage, onions, garlic, peppers, right, just spinach
all that good stuff.
Ty: Sounds good!

Chris Wark: Yeah.
Ty: Youre making me hungry.

Chris Wark: Just the amazing giant salad. We shared one at Jasons
Deli recently.
Ty: Yeah
Chris Wark: Yeah. Just a giant salad full of like all this really amazing
food from the earth that was put here for us. And I ate that twice a day
and then I would make fruit smoothies with the fresh coconut and
berries, two cups of blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, strawberries.
Berries are very potent anticancer fruits. And that was it. That was the
daily diet. And it was every day and I did that for 90 days. It was a 100
percent raw food for 90 days.
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: But then, you know, youve got your vitamin
C. Vitamin C is a whole therapy in itself. You shoot an IV line loaded
with vitamin C that is actually cytotoxic to cancers. And I saw a very
good study on that where at about 3-mg percent its called, 3-mg per
hundred of mills of blood. It was actually cytotoxic to cancer cells without
doing anything harmful at all to healthy cells. So you know the value of
that. and its an antioxidant. Its a detoxer. You know if somebodys in a
toxic environment vitamin C will help that too. So massiveif you cant
find somebody youll give you IV vitamin Cs you can do the lypo-spheric
vitamin C where one gram in a sachetwell, certainly not. I mean one
sachet, sorry, will give you the equivalent of 10 gm of oral vitamin C if
you just took it as a ______ [00:30:24]. Thats a pretty good dose 10
gm, 20 gm would be great.
Ty: Why does the lypo-spheric vitamin C work that way? How
does that deliver more than you would normally get?
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: Well, because basically vitamin C is bit toxic
to bowel beyond a certain level. You get this phenomena we call fill and
flush. And we used to use that as a measure back in the 70s and 80s.
You know, you take more vitamin C till it gives you diarrhea, then take
less. So if 10-gm causes diarrhea you take eight. But that would be your
limit then. If you try and take any more of that you get diarrhea and you
know you lost more vitamin C than youre swallowing. So it becomes
counterproductive. But the lypo-spheric protective form does that. And
because its so completely absorbed it delivers almost all of the vitamin

C. To be fair, its not just lypo-spheric getting through the gut wall, right,
but its getting into the cells and taking it where it can in the body. So its
a very, very valuable technique.
Ty: I know youre not a big fan of chemo but lets say Im sure that
there are millions of people watching this that are already doing
chemo. Is there anything they can do nutritionally to mitigate the
side effects?
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: Thats a good point Ty. Thats one of the best
questions because Im notIm a holistic viewed practitioner but Im not
part of the herd and you know, I dont like the waytheres a lot ofits
almost sneering and scoffing at people that do chemo like you dummy.
Why would you do that? It has to be the persons own choice but it
should be an informed choice? They ought to look at the facts and
figures. Now I don't know why youd choose to do it but to be honest, a
lot of people get frightened or they want to hedge their bets. You know,
Ill do it. And maybe I can take vitamins and Ill be okay. I dont think
thats enough but it is true that if you use a proper holistic health
approach the kind Ive been talking about, a chance to really kill on
nutrition, take lots of antioxidants. I mean antioxidants will protect you
against chemo and radiation. Thats what it does. It knocks off all kinds
of free radicals as its going to buzz to the tumor. And that hits off all
kinds of toxic reactive oxygen species which could be mopped up and
then they wont hurt you so much. So its possible to protect yourself.
This is perhaps the best way of saying it quickly. You could protect
yourself against the damaging side effects of the orthodox therapy if you
want to do that. And as I told you before, Ty, over a 10 year period not
one of my patients lost their hair even though they were taking the
notorious ones like Doxyrubicin and things like that. And you have their
record so you know, the oncologists silly story. That will stop thestop
the chemotherapy working is nonsense. its just as poisonous as ever.
But the person was taking steps to protect themselves and didnt even
lose their hair, so. Thats a valuable tip, you know, for a person who
really wants to go that route.
Ty: [Dr. Jockers], do you ever recommend fasting?
Dr. David Jockers: Oh yeah. Absolutely!
Ty: for health and for cancer patients?

Dr. David Jockers: Absolutely! You know, and you just brought that up
and so just talking about the ketogenic cleanse. I mean it is a fast. And
Im a big fan of intermittent fasting. its something I do every single day.
And I think its a critical piece of a cancer killing diet. So for myself--
really when we break down fasting, I want all our listeners to understand
this, I look at a building phase and a cleansing phase. So our building
phase is a time between our first meal of the day and our last meal of
the day. So the typical American they might eat at 8:00 am and finish
eating at 8:00 pm. So its about a 12 hour building phase. And the
cleansing phase would be time from our last meal to our first meal.
Okay. Thats like a one-to-one ratio. In our society today weve got so
much toxicity that its that much more important that we have a greater
cleansing phase than building phase. On top of that, the great thing is
when were on this ketogenic diet our hormones become balanced,
insulin and leptin, which is ourits our satiety hormone so it helps us
say that were no longer hungry. Were satisfied. They become very
balanced. Our body becomes very sensitive to it. So were really not as
hungry.
And so for myself I like to have anywhere between a 16 to 18 hour and

sometimes even a 24 cleansing phase on a regular basis. Okay. Like
were doing this interview here. its 11:30 12:00, I havent eaten
anything yet today. I worked out this morning. And you know what, my
blood sugar is extremely stable. I feel really good. I feel really mentally
clear. Now Ill typically eat around 1:00 or so and then finish eating by,
lets say, 6:00 7:00. And so thats really my building phase. And so Ive
gotten all the nutrients I need but my bodys also been able to really
cleanse and detoxify as Ive gone through this cleansing phase. And on
the cleansing phase like, for example, the fasting this morning Ive drank
probably about a half gallon of water so far today. So water is key
because I want to move toxins out of my body. I dont want them to just
recirculate as theyre being released as my bodys breaking down fat
cells.
And so intermittent fasting is a very, very powerful strategy thats been

shown to improve brain function, improve lean body tissue so your
percentage of muscle to body fat. its been shown to basically to
improve almost every aspect of your health. And so very, very profound
when it comes to killing off cancer cells in your body too. And
sometimes well recommend longer fasts and longer cleanses but I think
something that most people can do unless you have a state of adrenal
exhaustion or extreme adrenal fatigue, which some people do, unless
thats the case I always highly recommend going on a ketogenic
intermittent fasting lifestyle because of the profound effects it has on
destroying cancer cells in your body, regulating your hormones, and
improving overall brain function. So very profound effects with that.
Ty: Why is it that doctors are not trained on nutrition in your

opinion?
Dr. David Jockers: You know, in my opinion I really think that the
pharmaceutical and the insurance industry really control the education
process through medical school and those industries really dont benefit
from people living healthy lifestyles unfortunately. And so the emphasis
on nutrition, exercise, things like that I mean its scattered. Whatever
nutrition they do get oftentimes its really old nutrition. its this whole low
fat paradigm and it really focuses on processed foods and things like
that but ultimately theyre really not educated on this. And again, I think
it has to do with just the pharmaceutical industry and obviously their
focus is making drugs the major solution to every health problem.
Ty: Itsand I think that youre onto something there. Youre not
the first person thats told me that either. its funny that you
mention the low fat diet. Before we came here today we were at
breakfast. And I was talking about that. I used to be a competitive
body builder. And thats all we did. We ate low fat diets. Now they
may have been highly processed junk food but as long as they
were low fat, even if they were just off the charts on the glycemic
index with sugars, if it were low fat body builders thought they
were good. This was back in the 90s, of course, and that some
people still do. Some people still think that low fat diets good
when in actuality can you talk about the importance of good fats in
keeping you healthy?
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah. Absolutely! Fats should really be the priority
with our nutrition plan. The reason why I say we have 75 trillion cells,

and all the cells have a double fatty acid layer around every single cell in
your body. And its extremely key. Its called the cell membrane. Its
extremely key for hormonal responses, extremely key for just having
good healthy hormone function, good healthy neurological function in
your system. So the communication process between cells is dependent
upon this outer ring of fat. And so we need the fats to help replace
those. Also, on top of that, a low fat diet is going to prioritize
carbohydrate. And a carbohydrate breaks down into sugar.
And sugarwhen your blood sugar is all over the place that really
creates a breeding ground for opportunistic infections, for cancer growth
like were going to talk about later, for all different types of issues. And
so utilizing good fats as your primary energy source helps your body
produce something called ketones and theres a ketogenic diet and
those ketones actually are a preferred fuel for your body and especially
when it becomes, what we call, keto adapted or fat adapted, where your
body just becomes so good it preferentially uses these fatty acids, these
ketone bodies, your blood sugar stays extremely stable. And that
reduces inflammatory processes in your body. It helps you have better
mental/emotional balance so you think more clearly, have better
memory, youreverything in your life really improves because your
sugar is stable. You dont have these bumps, these ups and downs, the
insulin surges. And so your emotions, again, are going to be more
balanced, everything is going to be more balanced. Your bodys going to
be able to handle and tolerate stress more effectively.
And really the hallmark of successful aging is being able to adapt

effectively to stress. And so I think a high, good fat diet is really, really
key for that. And so with these low fat diets they really dont discriminate
between good fats and bad fats. its just take all the fats out. They really
typically dont discriminate between types of carbohydrates, although
sometimes theyll tell you go low glycemic using a lot of whole grains,
things like that. Other people choose the high protein diets. But really
protein and the carbohydrates both break down into sugar in your
system and that stored sugar will stimulate higher levels of inflammation
in your body. And what were trying to do is really control inflammation.
And a high good fat diet really helps with that.
Ty: Inflammation is the key
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah
Ty: isnt it? As far as many disease processes they start with
inflammation in the cells, dont they?

Dr. David Jockers: Oh Absolutely! So yeah, cancer is clearly one of

those. So inflammation is really a system. its reallyits a response of
our body because we know that opportunistic infection is whats killed
more people in the history of mankind than anything else. Inflammation
is our bodys response to protect us from a systemic infection. So
inflammation is a smart response from our body, its an intelligent
response; however, most of the time we dont havewere not at risk for
chronic systemic infection. So weve got to control that inflammatory
process and so the food that we put in our body, the way that we think,
the way that we carry ourselves, move our body, the toxic load we put
on our system, all of these things play a very important role with our
bodys ability to modulate or coordinate that inflammatory response.
Ty: You had mentioned with the ketosis and the ketogenic diet, to
me it sounds almost like the Atkins diet, if you remember from 20
years or so when the Atkins diet was real popular.
Dr. David Jockers: Yep
Ty: Is thatis it the same thing as the Atkins diet or what is

different when you hear the ketogenic diet versus the old Atkins
diet that a lot of body builders that I knew back in the 90s went
from the low fat diet to the Atkins diet where they were literally
guys that at the gym working out eating cheese and bacon and
peanut butter in between sets.
Dr. David Jockers: Right. Yep.
Ty: Whats the difference between these two types of diets?
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah. Thats a great, great question. Im really glad
you brought that up because in general the Atkins diet is a ketogenic
diet. It does stimulate ketone development. And the way that some
individuals teach it its stilltheyre almost identical. However, when
were really trying to promote optimal health weve got to make some
differentiations from the Atkins diet. So where Atkins went right was his
approach with a low carbohydrate diet, getting our body running off the
ketones. So Im in total agreement with him about that, keeping our
body very sensitive to insulin, very, very important. However, where I
disagree with him was he really had no regulation on the kind of fats that
you put into your body. And we want to really focus on good fats as
opposed to bad fats. So most people in our society assume that
saturated fat is a bad fat. What we know is that actually saturated fat is
one of the most healthiest fats we can be putting in our body. The fats
we really want to avoid are high omega-6 fats from refined vegetable
oils and also from factory farmed animal meats. So thats a big one. And
then, of course, trans fats or manmade fats. And so we certainly want to

make sure were avoiding those things. And so were going to load up
on good fats, things like avocadoes, things like coconut oil, butter from
grass fed cows, okay, individuals that can tolerate dairy protein. If they
can tolerate casein were going to use things like cheese, raw cheese
from grass fed cows, fermented dairy drinks from, again, grass fed
cows. Theres a huge difference between when a cow is fed grass and
grains, a grain-fed cow actually grows much larger and produces a lot
more dairy. In fact, they produce about 20 to 30 thousand pounds of
dairy in a year, a grain fed cow. A grass fed cow produces about three
to five thousand pounds. Theres a huge difference in yield.
Now the grain fed cow though, the grains themselves are high in this
omega-6 fat. And omega-6 fat causes inflammation in our body. So the
dairy thats coming from a grain fed cow is very high in omega-6, very
low in omega-3. Thats going to be inflammatory. And that inflammatory
process, high omega-6, low omega-3, provides a ripe environment for
cancer cell development in our body. So we definitely want to stay away
from commercially raised animal products and animals that were fed
grains. We want to stay away from that. But we do want the grass fed
animal products because they have a lot of omega-3s, an ideal ratio of
omega-6 to omega-3s. Also grass fed dairy has a molecule called CLA,
conjugulated linoleic acid, which many researchers are finding is a
potent anticarcinogen. Theres also other great nutrients in there. for
example, the major fat thats in grass-fed dairy is called butyric acid.
Butyric acid is a preferred fuel source for healthy gut microbes in your
system and it helps your intestinal cells to develop and actually to
strengthen so that way we dont develop problems like leaky gut and
ulcerations in our gut and things like that, which is extremely important
for helping our immune system. 70 percent of our immune systems in
our gut. And if we have damage to our gut were going to have a lot of
immune system disorders which could include cancer and other
autoimmune diseases. So this grass-fed raw dairy can have an
incredible effect at helping the gut to heal and seal and to control itself
well. So thats why its such a good fat source we want to include.
We also want to include things like extra virgin olive oil, healthy seeds
like flax seed, hemp seeds, chia seeds, we talked about coconut
products. That should be an absolute staple. Coconut is a super food,
very anti-inflammatory and just powerful for our body. So these are the
kind of good fats we want to focus on. We want to stay away from
again, Atkins never differentiated between grass-fed and grain-fed so it
was a lot of commercial animal products using lard and bacon and
things like that. And the other aspect of it is that bacon, I am really not a
big fan of just from the perspective that it is cooked at very high
temperatures. And it may be nitrate free which is certainly a better one
to go with but when you cook meat at a very high temperature, youre
going to produce a lot of carcinogenic products, things like heterocyclic
amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, acrylamide, and these are
known to cause cancer growth in our body. And so high heat or highly
cooked, highly processed animal products, even if its properly raised
can also be a factor with cancer cell development. So we want to look
for animal products that have been minimally processed. And when we
cook them we want to cook them more medium rare so a lower
temperature and just cooking them for less time so that way we produce
less of those heterocyclic amines. And there are a lot of different
strategies that people can apply with marinades and things like that to
utilize animal products and minimize the production of carcinogenic
chemicals.
One last thing with the difference between Atkins and an anti-cancer
ketogenic approach. Atkins really never differentiated with chemicals
and sweeteners. And so it was really a high chemical diet because he
would use things like aspartame and Splenda and stuff like that. On a
cancer killing or an anti-cancer ketogenic diet we want very, very pure
sources of nutrients. So we want it to be extremely nutrient rich, lots of
antioxidants from things like herbs, things like low glycemic sweeteners
like even squeezing fresh lemon on things will provide a ton of
antioxidants. Sweeteners are going to be things like stevia, which is an
all natural sweetener thats going to work much better. Xylitol perhaps
for some individuals that can digest that well. A lot of times people who
have leaky gut issues or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth issues and
are not able to handle the sugar alcohols. But thats a possible
sweetener on a ketogenic diet. But were going to stay away from the
chemical based agents and go with really natural agents. We also,
again, want to use a lot of herbs. Herbs can provide good flavor and a
ton of antioxidants. And really in the Atkins diet there was very little
emphasis on herbs or really antioxidants in general. And on the anti-
cancer ketogenic diet we do take from Atkins, hey, this whole ketogenic
approach but we also want it to be extremely nutrient rich and really
focus on getting a lot of antioxidants into the body.
Ty: The cancer diagnosis people are terrified and they dont
necessarily have to be. There is hope. So talk about the importance
of hope.
Dr. David Jockers: Absolutely! I think no matter where youre at in

your life its so critical to have a faith foundation, really to have a faith
foundation. And the faith foundation should be this. No matter what
happens in your life, no matter what diagnosis, no matter what
circumstances take place that you are blessed, that you are called to be
prosperous and victorious and thats the way I live my life and I really
think there is a lot of advantage in that. if you let circumstances run your
life youre going to be living in fear all day long. And when you live in
fear youre constantly over stimulating your adrenal glands. and when
you do that your body produces a lot of cortisol, a lot of stress hormone,
and thats stress hormone wears down your immune defense in your
gut. And then your gut becomes damaged. And when your gut becomes
damaged now it creates a whole inflammatory spiral in your body, will
throw off your hormones, itll make you crave the sugars. Itll provide a
breeding ground for opportunistic infections, and you get this whole
negative spiral of health effect that are going to lead you down a route to
chronic disease. And so theres a huge difference between living with
hope and living with a lot of love as opposed to living with fear.
And so I dont think any of us will ever completely get rid of fear. I think
thats just something that were going to deal with on this planet.
However, when we had this foundation of faith and were attuned to
where our mind and our emotions are going we can constantly
reconnect. And its like flipping a switch, right, and just reconnect back
to hope, back to our faithful foundation and really bring love into the
environment. And just like it says in the bible, perfect love casts out all
fear. And so the more that we can open the door to love the less fear
will control us and the more well be able to move on and see miracles
in our lives.
Dr. Patrick Quillin: Theres over 300 studies showing that a diet rich in
fruits and vegetables can dramatically lower the risk for most cancers
That should be enough evidence. Meanwhile, the United States
Department of Agriculture claims that the top three most commonly
consumed vegetables in America is ketchup, French fries, and onion
rings. And I know that sounds humorous because those are not
vegetables in my opinion, theyre highly processed. Ketchup is mostly
sugar, corn syrup. And the others are high in hydrogenated fats. So
theres very few vegetables and fruits being consumed. The government
sort of bends rules to basically accommodate big business.
Ty: What kind of a role does music have in the overall health
equation of treating cancer or other diseases?
Dr. Patrick Quillin: Good question. I started playing guitar at age 17

and it was enjoyable, fun. It was a stress reliever, an emotional life raft,
if you will. And then I put it away when my career got busy thinking I
dont have time for this nonsense. its just theres other things that I
should be doing, higher priority. And then I found a text book from the

New York Academy of Sciences called, The Biological Foundations of

Music. And this is a hundred dollar textbook from all these academically
affiliated MDs and PhDs. And what they found is they showed that when
you play music, and actually you can show things when you sing too.
Music, in general, is therapeutic. Singing and playing is even more
therajust listening to music that relaxes you is good for you and it can
have extraordinary healing capacities. The studies are beyond argument
now that the music that youre listening to, making, singing, or playing,
actually changes the way the brain works. It comes back to those 400
year old peptides and these are chemicals that connect nerve cells.
Nerve cells dont touch. They have a chemical that flows between them.
And your thoughts dictate which chemicals are being communicated
which dictates are you going to digest and absorb your meal well or are
you going to have poor absorption of that? Many of the nutrients went
through you. Is your immune system at maximum capacity or is your
thymus gland shrinking because of stress? Hans Selye and his
incredible work, Dr. Selye was the grandfather of stress. And theres
many others in the field who have clearly proven that stress is a killer
and music is a healer.
Ty: Heres a quote by former President John F. Kennedy. Humor

is the balancing stick that allows us to walk the tightrope of life.
So youve talked about music, talk about humor.
Dr. Patrick Quillin: Absolutely! We were given this funny bone for a
good reason. And I realize that theres many people who say you think
thats funny. This is funny. Look at my life. And I can tell you things
about my life that you could easily get very discouraged about and yet
John Kennedys quote is absolutely true, that were all walking this tight
rope of life and that that humor is the balancing stick that allows us to
manage it well. Let me give you a couple of examples. What do the
following longevity experts have in common? Bob Hope lived to be a
100. George Burns lived to be 99. Art Linkletter lived to be 97. Jack
Lalane lived to be 95, I believe. Phyllis Diller, I believe, is in her late
early 90s. Betty White, whos still alive and doing great in her early 90s.
What do they all have in common? A great sense of humor. And what
happens is were all exposed to a certain amount of stress. Some of us,
not me, but some of usGod bless you combat veterans who are
returning with a lot of stress mentally and physically, more than I could
handle. But somehow we have to be able to take that stress and use
humor to try and dissipate the stress. So what happens is heres this
big, ugly balloon thats blocking our view of the beauty of life and humor
says pop the balloon or at least slowly let the air out of it. And it isa
great metaphor would be its the shock absorbers that allow us to ride
that rocky bumpy back road of life. And it says, I can tolerate this
because of humor. I can dissipate the energy because if you can get a
sense of humor about things, and Bob Hope, of course, had so many
great lines. He traveled the world many times with the troops. And how
can you go into a combat scene where people are dying and suffering
and afraid and depressed and offer humor? Not only how can you, you
have to.
[Music]
Ty: I really like that term advanced medicine. Ive learned a lot in
tonights show. I hope you have too. Lets recap. We talked about
super food nutrition. We talked about structured water acting as an
antioxidant. We talked about fasting. You are what you eat. Do you
remember the old quote from Hippocrates? Let food be thy
medicine and medicine be they food. I think tonights who proves
that that was an accurate statement. On tomorrows night episode
we are going to learn specific treatment protocols from some of
the most renowned cancer doctors and medical doctors,
homeopaths in the world. Youre not going to want to miss
tomorrow nights show. Thanks for tuning in tonight and God
bless.
[Music]
Ty: Okay. So Im here with June. And June, you are a breast
cancer survivor, thriver.
June: Yes.
Ty: And so if you could tell us a little bit about the type of cancer
that you had and what you did to treat it.
June: Okay. I had invasive ductal carcinoma HER2 positive and it was
in stage II, two and a half centimeters. And usually thats even further
because of that large of a tumor but they were surprised it wasnt further
along. And when they told me that I had this they didnt tell me what to
do. They just said, okay, youre going to need to have the tumor
removed. Then youre going to need radiation, youre going to need a
year of chemo. And then I went to the oncologist I saw these people
there with needles in their arms and they looked half dead. And I
thought, Im not going to let that happen to me. I cant believe that doing
that is going to save my life. They all look like theyre dying, not living.

S I just went home and I prayed and I said, you know, I cant believe
that God made our bodies to take poison to heal them. I just cant
believe you kill cells, good cells, to heal yourself. So I went researching
on the internet, which my doctors told me not to do. They said stay off
the internet but I dont listen too well. And I foundthats how I found
Tys book. So I started reading it and I started thinking, Ive got to stop
what Im doing to get rid of this cancer. And I went in my cupboard,
threw all the food away, didnt give it away, threw everything out,
everything out of my refrigerator, completely threw it away. And I started
eating complete whole foods, uncooked spinach, drinking carrot juice,
eating tomatoes, cherries, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, every kind of
vegetable that was pure, organic, clean, and not boiled away. I didnt
boil any kind of food.
Four weeks later I go back to the oncologist after they did that oncotype
D test to see how much the herceptin and the chemo would help me or
whatever. And my oncologist was just like looking at the screen on his
computer and he wouldnt say anything. And then finally he looked up
and he goes I cant believe this. This is a miracle. I said, what? He said
your numbers, I expected them to be up to 40, its 14. He said if I give
you chemo it would only make a difference of three percent and I dont
want to put you through all that for three percent. And hes never
needed to see me back again. Im fine and Im two years today cancer
free.
Ty: Wow!
June: So eating healthy makes a way. And its a way that you have to
continue because something in my system allowed cancer to grow

instead of leave. So Ive done detox programs and I consistently detox

on a regular basis. I eat the right foods. I learn the kind of foods that
cause cancer to grow. And I found that broccoli sprouts are really good
for you. And I just saw in the ARP magazine this month that the
researchers are doing in their labs, theres a chemical in broccoli that
cures cancer and kills cancer cells. And they know this.
So eat your broccoli, dont get chemo. And another thing that I can say
to you is they did give me radiation and I had said to the radiologist Im
praying for a cure for cancer. And her response to me was, oh honey, if
they find a cure to cancer theyll never pass it. Theres too much money
in this business. And then she turned around and said to me, I got job
security while shes filling me with this poison that might kill me. And I
justI felt like I had to do something to make people aware and we
dont have to die from this. We dont have to.
And thats the rest of my life Im going to spend like Ty helping people to
get well. Im talking to people everywhere I go. I had a repairman come
to the house yesterday and I started to talk to him and I said I hope Im
not boring you. And he said, oh no, I could listen to you talk all day
about this. Now hes starting to do what other people are calling me up
and saying, Im doing this now and Im eating better because of you.
And so it makes you feel like youre here for a reason. God let me live
for a reason and its to help other people eat his foods. Genesis 1:29
and 30. Eat the foods the creator gave us and your body will stay
healthy.
Ty: Wow! Thank you June. That was so great, very encouraging.
And thats going to really bless people that hear it.
June: I hope so, I hope so.
Ty: And its really inspired me. Thank you for sharing with us
today.
June: Thank you so much. Thank you.


Episode 6: What Would Doc Do?


[Music]
Ty: Welcome back to the program. Im glad you tuned in tonight. I

hope you enjoyed last nights show where we talked about
advanced medicines, specifically nutrition. Remember the quote
from Hippocrates, Let food be they medicine and medicine be thy
food? Last nights show taught you how to do that. Now tonight in
this episode we are going to go over specific treatment protocols
that have been used by doctors around the world to successfully
treat cancer. Were going to be talking about a lot of protocols
tonight. its very important information that you need to know. So
its probably going to last a little bit longer. Strap in your seatbelt,
grab your pen and paper, start taking notes. Enjoy tonights show.
Ty: Dr. Gonzalez talk about the protocol that youre using. If you
could go back and kind of give a few details about what protocol
Dr. Kelly was using and then how youve adopted that into your
practice now. What are you using?
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: Kellys program and our program have three
basic components. In our therapy today 25 27 years later is really a
derivation of Kelly. We follow his model pretty closely. It involves three
basic componentsindividualized diet, individualized supplement
programs with for cancer patients large doses of pancreatic enzymes
and detoxification routines like the coffee enemas. Now unlike a lot of
alternative practitioners who use one diet for everything like Atkins told
everyone should be on a meat diet. The Gerson people think everyone
should be vegetarian. Kelly realized early on different people need
different diets. And some people do well with a plant-based diet, other
patients need fatty red meat two or three times a day. He had 10 basic
diets and 94 variations. And investigative journalist that I was at heart
when I first met him, I challenged him and he showed me on his
computer the 10 basic diets and 94 variations. And even then he would
individualize the diet. So he doesnt have and he didnt have and we
dont have one diet. We follow that traditionally of 10 diets and dozens
of variation. Secondly, large doses of nutritional supplementsvitamins,
minerals, trace elements, glandular extracts from animals like liver,
thymus, lung, pancreas, heart, these glandular parts that are made for
us in New Zealand.
Now we dont believe the vitamins and minerals and trace elements and
glandular products are going to cure or reverse cancer. What they do
provide is nutritional support. You know, were doing two things. Were
trying to attack the cancer directly but were also trying to rebuild your

average body. A lot of the patients that came to Kelly, a lot of the
patients that we see, not only have advanced cancer, which ravage the
body, but also had been treated with aggressive chemo, radiation, all
kinds of combinations that also ravaged the body. So were trying to
rebuild their body and also attack the cancer and you can attack the
cancer better if you rebuild the body. So the vitamins, minerals, trace
elements, glandular products, help restore the normal equilibrium and
homeostasis of the body. And even then the socialthe supplement
programs are very individualized. Kelly did and we do individualize all
these supplement programs. So no two patients are in exactly the same
protocol and some of them, of course, is similar.
Now in addition to the vitamins, minerals, trace elements, etc. designed

specifically for each patient, we use for cancer patients large doses of
pancreatic enzymes. Now this was Kellys great innovation and the
tradition we follow, of course. Now pancreatic enzymes have been
known since the 1850s and 1860s, and theyre known as digestive
enzymes. They help us break down proteins, fats, and carbohydrates. In
addition, Dr. John Beard was the great professor at the University of
Edinburg, English by birth, Scottish by profession. He taught at Edinburg
all his professional life. He was a very brilliant embryologist, got his
doctorate in 1884 from the University of Freiburg in Germany. And he
was one of the great embryologists. His work in embryology is still
quoted today on the literature. But his work in embryology led him on a
side tangent into pancreatic enzymes and cancer. He was not trained as
a cancer researcher but he was a brilliant man like a lot of brilliant men
like Linus Pauling that become experts in a lot of different fields. And in
1902 he wrote the first paper claiming pancreatic enzymes in addition to
the digestive capability which had been well documented by that point,

theyre the bodys main defense against cancer and would be useful as
a cancer treatment.
And the brilliant man that he was, he did animal studies. We think of 110
years ago as a primitive time in science or scientists worked out of
caves with candles. Well actually, it was very sophisticated. By 1902
pathologistsand Sloan-Kettering already existed by that point
brilliant pathologists in the US and Europe had already evaluated and
diagnosed and defined the hundred different types of cancer. They
knew what cancer was, they knew what it looked like. They knew it how
it behaved. They knew how to examine it, how to do a biopsy under the
microscope. So Beard took an animal model which they had at that time
for cancer and used his enzymes as a first study of the enzymes in
history and got a 100 percent regression of cancer in the animals that
he treated. Whereas the control group died very quickly.
Then physicians inhe was not a physician. He was an ScD. He had a

doctorate degree so he wasnt able to treat patients directly. But
physicians working under him began using enzymes. The first case was
1905 a case of head and neck cancer. And the person who
administered it, Dr. Clarence Rice, had an office about five blocks from
this office where were sitting now right on Madison Avenue. So its kind
of a historic place to be in terms of enzymes. And the tumor completely
regressed.
And it was published in the conventional medical literature. Ive collected

dozens of articles in the peer reviewed conventional literature from the
peer in 1905 to 1911 where physicians under Beards guidance treated
advanced cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, breast cancer,
endometrial cancer, lung cancer successfully with the enzymes. He
wrote a book in 1911, The Enzyme Treatment of Cancer. We actually
had photographs of patients, sequential photographs of patients with
head and neck cancer where the tumors actually disappear and the
skin heals normally a 100 years ago, more than a 100 years ago. But
the work then as it is today was considered too controversial but there
was another footnote I often talk about in my lectures. At the same time
Beard was showing the enzymes reverse cancer Madam Curie, the
great Frenchwell, she was Polish by birth but she was working at the
University of Parisshe was investigating radiation. And radiation x-
rays had been discovered in 1895. By 1900 they were used
diagnostically. It was miraculous. You do an x-ray and you can see the
inside of the chest and see the lungs. By 1905 Madam Curie was saying
that radiation would be a simple, easy, non-toxic way of treating all
cancer. And she had two noble prizes alreadyone of the few people
that Linus Pauling also had tofew people that ever won one, let alone
two, and she was well loved by the media. She was the first great media
star. She knew how to use the media. She knew how to call press
conferences. And she announced radiation is the cure to cancer to the
media. Beard was this nerdy, ivory tower scientist who thought the
media was a bunch of morons, had no use for them and no use for his
critics. He wasnt maybe the most diplomatic person who ever lived.
Madam Curie knew how to nurture the media.
So all over the world Madam Curie, the great belovedyou know, she
was the first woman to get a PhD in theoretical physics at the University
of Paris. So she had this extraordinary history and movies had been
made about her. And the press loved her. Who cared about Dr. Beard
and pancreatic enzymes. Well nobody apparently. So it was book one
unheated. Radiation came into the forefront of cancer treatment. Of
course, Madam Curie was completely wrong on all counts. It isnt non-
toxic. In fact, she herself died as a result of radiation exposure. She died
of aplastic anemic caused by radiation. Most tumors that regress come
back very quickly, more deadly. And it was only a few cancers actually
responded to it. So radiation was not the simple, easy, non-toxic way of
treating all cancers. She was wrong. But by that point by the time
scientists realized that, you know, hundreds of them died. Hundreds of
scientists involved with radiation died because of their cavalier exposure
to radiation thinking, you know, its invisible so its safe.
Madam Curies notebooks from the late 19th

century are still too radioactive to be handled
without protection. They will continue to be
until at least 3511.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: To answer your original question, the three

components, individualized diet, individualized supplements, large
doses of pancreatic enzymes, the third component is detoxification,
which is often the proponentthe component of the therapy that elicits
the most grins and mockery from conventional doctors. But its really
very simple. When Kelly was treating himself he was taking the
pancreatic enzymes and tumors were breaking down and thats when
he got really sick, almost life threateningly sick. First, they thought the
enzymes werent working anymore but then he realized the tumors are
shrinking. Im getting sick. And then he realized Im reacting to the tumor
waste. And indeed conventional oncologists know today in 2014 that

nothing is more toxic to the human than dead cancer. In fact,

chemotherapy, though it doesnt work for most cancers, does work for
some like Hodgkins and certain leukemias. And in a Hodgkins patient if
you break a tumor down too fast with chemo youll kill the patient from
the dead tumor. And they call it tumorlysis syndrome. its recognized in
the textbooks, all my textbooks, conventional textbooks, talk about it.
Well, Kelly recognized that back in 1963 when he was trying to get over
his own cancer. And he started going into the literature as he always
did. He was a great scholar. He would go into the literature trying to find
some technique that would help his liver and kidney work better. The
liver and the kidney are the bodys main detoxification organs. Thats for
environmental chemicals, our own metabolic waste and in the dead
cancer process neutralize and prepare for excretion.
And he opens up the Merck manual and lo and behold there are coffee
enemas. You know, the interesting thing or the sad thing is, the ironic
thing, Kelly was brutalized in the media for his use of coffee enemas
and we get attacked about it today too. But they come right out of the
conventional medical literature. He didnt learn about it from alien space
beings, you know, injected into his brain through some mystic psychic
experience. He didnt learn about them through some alternative throw
away journals or something else. He learned about them from the
conventional medical textbooks. The Merck manuals is a ______
[00:09:27] and most conventional therapies. And they were in the Merck
manual. Coffee enemas were in the Merck manual right up until the
1970s. And when I was doing my investigation of Kelly, the trained
investigative reporter that I was, I called up the editor of the Merck
manual then and had a talk with him. And he said the only reason they
were taken out is we get kind of folksy and we had all this high tech stuff
to use. And he had files on coffee enemas which he sent me. And
dozens of studies from the 20s and the 1930s and 40s at major
institutions where theyre using coffee enemas for a variety of things--
arthritis, mental illness. I have a study from the New England Journal of
Medicine, the preeminent medical journal in the US, 1932 from Harvard
Medical School, a good of research psychiatrists successfully treatable,
what we today call bipolar illness, in those days they call it manic
depressive, with enemas. And theyre hypothesis was that they were
toxins from the intestinal track that were polluting the mind and thats
what was causing the mental illness. And they put these people on
enemas and colonics and they got well and they got them off medication
and out of the hospital. It was in the New England Journal. I have a
copy, 1932.
I have a study from Uruguay, just because its Uruguay doesnt mean
they werent serious scientists and people downplay it. It was not from
Boston. It was a good study of patients with septic shock, in those days
septic shock occurs because of gram negative bacteria produce a

polysaccharide kind of a carbohydrate thats toxic to the human and
people die from that. The death rate today is still in the range of 40 to 50
percent with septic shock. In those days it was like 90 percent. Well,
these people in Uruguay at an intensive carewhat we would call an
intensive care unit today had learned about coffee enemas from the
conventional medical world, started treating their patients with coffee
enemas and had great success. We published it in a peer review
journal. We have a translation that was originally published in Spanish,
almost like 90 percent reversal with septic shock. That should have
changed the way hospitalists treat septic shock all over the world was
ignored because it was folksy. It wasnt high tech even then in 1941
42. So we have dozens of articles. Kelly collected them, dozens of
articles from the mainstream, peer reviewed medical literature and
discussing the use of enemas, coffee enemas, other types of colonics,
and the successful treatment of all kinds of illnesses. So he incorporated
them into his practice and it helped and he added other things like liver
flushes and colon cleanses and juice fasts and skin brushing which is an
all naturopathic technique to get them the lymphatics to work better,
kidney flushes, all kinds of techniques that we still use today.
I went through over 10 thousand of Kellys records, interviewed over a

thousand of his patients, evaluated 455 of his advanced cancer patients
who had done well, evaluated 50 at great length representing 26
different types of cancer. Some of these patients we actually saw in our
own immunology clinic. Well doctor, thats really amazing. I wish we had
film of this of Dr. Good examining these Kelly patients, writing notes in
the official hospital records with his white coat and a stethoscope. We
put it together in monograph form. I did the writing. I did the research.
He was my mentor. So I evaluated 50 patients with 26 different types of
cancer all poor prognosis or terminal or advanced who enjoyed
extraordinary responses that could only be attributed to Dr. Kellys
nutritional program, put this together in monograph form 1986, finished
my immunology fellow. Now here I have Dr. Good as my mentor, the
most published author in the history of medicine50 books to his credit.
He was either editor or co-writer of 50 books, over two thousand papers,
couldnt get it published. The general response were one of two. First, a
lot of the editors didnt believe it. In fact, I have some letters in my office
from editors who warned Dr. Good this had to be a scam, fraudulent and
I had conned him or something like that even though we saw the
patients in our own clinic and Dr. Good knew they were real.
The other thing is editors would say this is real but if its real its the most
extraordinary thing in medicine but its also the most controversial, a
nutritional approach to cancer. This is 1986 where to mention nutrition
and cancer in the same sentence was tantamount to a felony. And the
editor said this would be the end of my publishing careerThe

American Cancer Society, the National Institute of Health, the National
Cancer Institute will make sure that I cant feed my children so they
would pass. We triedI tried for two years, couldnt get it published,
eventually put it away, but finally in 2010 we published it, updated,
rewritten with a long introduction by me updating it to 2010. Now at that
point Dr. Good was not at Sloan-Kettering. I finished my immunology
fellowship. We had a long talk, went out to dinner. And he said
something very interesting. I dont have it on tape so I cant confirm it.
But he said, you know, some of these cases are so extraordinary like
five year survivor of pancreatic cancer, which he had never seen. His
own second wife, or firstone of this former wiveshes been married
three timeshad died of pancreatic cancer within two months when he
was president of Sloan-Kettering. He couldnt save his own wife. She
died quickly. He said youre showing me these cases. He said, I dont
know how Kellys doing this. Ive never seen anything like this and Im
president of Sloan-Kettering. I mean, he said, people come from all over
the world for my advice about cancer. You know, the whole Iranian crisis
began because of Dr. Good. The shah [ph] of Iran got sick so he wanted
the best physician in the world to come evaluate him so he picked
Robert Good, flew Robert Good in his private jet, the shahs private jet,
to Iran. Dr. Good examined him and withinhe was a brilliant clinician
as well as researcher. Within 10 minutes made the diagnosis. He said
you got gallbladder cancer. He said you got to come to New York. So he
came to New York and New York Hospital and thats when the Iranian
revolution began.
Ty: I had no idea.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: No one knows this at all. No one knows that
the Iranian revolution began because of Robert Good, president of
Sloan-Kettering, my mentor. Kelly himself had cancer and when he was
trying to fight his own battleyou know, he was an orthodontist by
training
Ty: What type of cancer did he have?
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: He had pancreatic cancer. Now I spoke to his

doctor and said when I first did my research 30 years ago they were still
alive. They never biopsied. They said he was too unstable. They
couldntthey didnt want to bring him to surgery. And this is before
CAT scans. It was in the early 1960s. But they did x-rays. He had
tumors in both lungs, fluid in his lungs, tumor in his hip. In fact, he
always walked with a limp because the tumor had eaten through his hip
bone. He had a tumor in his heart which is rare for pancreatic cancer. It
was in his bone. And they said there was nothing we could do. They
gave him two months to live and he had four young kids, all of them
adopted. He had mumps as a teenager so--mumps can make you
sterile. So he couldnt have kids so he adopted four kids out of the
orphanages. And he was afraid if he died theyd end up back in the
orphanage. Hes like I cant die. He just made thatKelly was a very
determined guy. He also had an IQ twice of most of us. He said Im not
going to die. So he went through the literature startinghe realized the
only thing he could do is change is diet. Then he learned about Beards
work fromat that point it was like 60 years earlier, add in an enzyme
and got well. And then the local doctorsyou know, Kelly was very well
known in the town where he lived. He lived in Grapevine, Texas, which
is a suburb of Texasyoure a Texas boya suburb of Dallas/Fort
Worth. In those days it was a pokey professional suburb. Now its, you
know, like Dallas is like taking over the world but it was a pokey town,
you know, Grapevine. And all the doctorshe was in the country club
and did bible study on Sundays and he was in the church and the
school board, everyone knew him. There wasnt a country club. And the
doctors saw him rise from the dead like Lazarus. So they started
quietlythis is 1964 65sendign their cancer patients to Kelly
because they knew him, they trusted him. He was in the same country
club, the same church.
Ty: So the medical doctors were sending their patients to a

dentist.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: Thats right and they were sending them to a
dentist. Well, legally he didnt have the right to treat cancer. Dentists
cant. But they would send them and they would get well. That was the
good news and the bad news. The good news is a word of mouth
network started to spread, you know, someones cousin in Houston
heard about my cousin got well. And they would come to Kelly and then
it was the person in New Mexico. And pretty soon people were coming
from all over the country to Kelly to his dentist office on that side of
Dallas getting well. Well, guess what? The medical board wasnt too
happy about it because sooner or later they heard about it. Kelly once
told me at one time 14 government agencies were investigating him.
And you know, I saidthe investigative reporter that I am, I said, you
know people tend to exaggerate. And I looked through the data, indeed,
14 government agencies from the local county attorney to the state
medical board to the dental board because the dental board actually
took away his license for practicing medicine without a license. He didnt
care because he just said hes doing nutrition, kept doing it, seeing
patients anyway. The state attorneys, the attorneythe state attorney
general, federal attorneys, the IRS, they all colluded like going after tea
party groups together. They all colluded to try and get Kelly. You think,
heres a guy giving cancer patients nutrition. This isnt like he committed
the holocaust. Hes just given patients with nothing else to do who you
cant treat them successfully with any conventional therapy. Hes giving
them nutrition.
And lo and behold, the problem was a lot of them were getting well. And
its interesting too, and these are stories that as far as I know have
never been told before. Heat one point he was arrested at gunpoint
kind of like a typical, get 14the equivalent of a SWAT team in those
days, arresting them and they always do those things to try and
embarrass you so they came at midnight in front of his kid in pajamas
dragging him away. Well, there was a very prominent Washington
politician high up in the justice department, I mean really high up in the
justice department who the next day called the local sheriff and said you
let Kelly out or Im going to have the entire federal government
investigate every one of you from youryoull be audited on your
income tax for the last 25 years. And he said you dont want to mess
with me. He was let out of jail within five minutes of that phone call. And
they never went after him again. He continued to practice. He just had
patients sign a form saying Im not a medical doctor. Im doing nutrition
and they left him alone. So all these incredible stories. And I would
interview patients who would confirm all this, his family. I knew three of
his four kids. And they didnt have an easy time because they were the
kids of this crazy cancer quack doctor, the Dallas morning newspapers
would carry it and the local radio show. Again, this is pre-internet. And it
was tough. They would go to school and be laughed at. Youre the crazy
quack doctor. So it was tough for them.
Ty: What is it about it Dr. Gonzalez in the pancreatic enzymes that

is so successful at reversing the cancer?
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: No ones ever had the financing to do the

work. Now Beard did animal studies a 100 years ago. Weve done
animal studies too. We were fortunate that weve had funding from two
major international corporations. People laugh when I say it but Proctor
& Gamble gave us millions of dollars to help perfect the enzymes and
Nestles. The chief of research at Nestle, Pierre Gassier [ph] was the
former medical director of the Pasteur Institute and Nestle had lured him
away to run the research division. Nestle in those days had a 600 million
dollar scientific, basic science, research division. They have a campus
in Switzerland off of Lake Geneva that rivals the NIH. its unbelievable.
And Ive lectured there several times. And Gassier was a real scientist.
He was a physician by training and was head of the Pasteur Institute,
one of the preeminent research institutions in the world. And he had
heard about my work back in 1992. its like this is pre-internet. I don't
know how people heard about me. Actually I do know so Im actually
kind of exaggerating. Pierre wasishes still alive, lives in Moulton
[ph], now retired and has a sailboat and sails around the Mediterranean.
He set up a research group to travel the world looking for alternative
therapies that might be useful. This is genius people. They dont tend to
have prejudices. They just want to see what works. I dont care if its
moon dust or spooky stuff or radioactive waves. They dont care as long
as it works. So they actually set up a division very quietly, highly funded,
and they sent a team around the world from jungles of New Guinea to
New York to me.
Ty: A division within Nestle
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: With Nestle to look into alternative therapies,

unknown, never was publicized. And they traveled the world. and one
day I got a phone call. Im going off on a tangent about enzymes. But
you can edit this down.
Ty: No, this is great stuff.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: I get a call from the research director at

Nestle. I said what the heck does the research director at Nestle want to
do with me? And I didnt, you know. And then they told me his name
was Pierre Gassier. I said that rings a bell. And so this is before internet
so you couldnt Google. But you know, I found a way. And I said, oh, this
is the guy who ran the Pasteur Institute. So I called him back, he said I
want to come to New York and meet with you. I go you want to meet
with me, why? He says, I dont eat chocolate. He said, nohe
laughednothing to do with chocolate. He explained that they had been
looking to do alternative therapies and my name kept coming up. And
he wanted to meet with me. And so he met with me and the end result is
Nestle agreed to fund studies. They funded our first clinical study that
was very successful with pancreatic cancer in humans but also animal
studies back in 2002 2004 that were done at the University of
Nebraska by Parviz PourP-o-u-rwhos one of the preeminent
researchers in the molecular biology of pancreatic cancer. And Dr. Pour
developed an animal model for pancreatic cancer that they used in our
study. And he used the most aggressive animal model at his disposal
and Nestle funded him to do this. They were going to really put my
enzymes to the test. And it was extremely successful and Pour told me
that this is the first time in his lifetime that he saw this particular model
respond to anything. It didnt respond to chemo, anything. So he was
very impressed and published it in a peer reviewed journal, pancreasI
think it was in 2004. We have copies around.
So we know from animal models they worked for my first clinical study
and we know that it works but we dont know the molecular biology to
answer to your question. We dont know how it actually kills cancer
cells. What we think is the proteolytic, which are the protein digesting
pancreatic enzymes like trypsin and chymotrypsin actually tear apart the
cell membranes. You know, cell membranes are lipid, fatty, but they
also have protein molecules that are receptors and pores that allow
nutrients to get in and waste products to get out. Thats how cells
survive with these protein pores in the membrane. And these are
proteins like any other protein. We think the enzymes chew them up.
Now they dont affect normal tissue and Beard said a hundredin his
book, a 100in 2011, more than 100 years ago, that theres a reason
that cancer cells have the opposite electrical charge than normal cells.
Everyone laughed at him at that time. We now know that its true. And
normal cells repulse the pancreatic enzymes in the blood stream but
cancer cells attract them. And the enzymes go right to the cancer cell
and we believe chew up the proteins on the cell membrane the cell
does. So we think its that simple. We havent had the trillions of dollars
of funding to substantiate that. I mean Pour wanted to do that but Nestle
was willing to fund more but the key with Nestle is I would have had to
turnover my intellectual property, it would have been a co-ownership.
They wantedthey had their patent lawyers in the US filing patents but
it would have been Nestle and me as co-owners. The problem with that
is Pierre retires and the next person may think its all quackery. And
Nestle owns my work and I cant do anything with it. So I said no thank
you, gracious, were still friends, Pierre and I. And he understood why.
Ty: Mr. Griffin tell us a little bit about the role that pancreatic
enzymes might play in prevention and/or treatment of cancer.
G. Edward Griffin: Yeah, very important. Thanks for asking that. a

moment ago I said there were two factors, the extrinsic factor and the
intrinsic factor. And weve been talking about the extrinsic factor so far,
the food that comes in from outside but there are certain things that are
generated within the body that are very, very important. And one of
those happens to be the pancreatic enzymes. Weve got trypsin and
chymotrypsin and other digestive enzymes that have a special mission
of digesting meat protein. Why is that important? Its a fascinating story.
They had known for a long time that thelet me back up a little bit by
saying one of the questions that puzzled scientists for a long time is why
doesnt the immune system attack cancer cells? If youre working on the
assumption that cancer is something thats foreign to the body, which is
not our assumption, of course. Our assumption is that cancer is natural
to the body thats gone array. But the orthodox view of cancer is
something foreign to the body. its not supposed to be there. Why

doesnt the immune system attack it and destroy it? And the answer is
that cancer cells have a protein coating around them, a protein coating.
And that has a negative electrostatic charge. Its amazing the more I
learn about how much electricity plays a role inside the body. Now I
used to think it was all chemistry. Well, chemistry is basically electricity;
the little valiances and youll see the pluses and minuses on the charts
and so forth. Its all electricity or the chemistry doesnt work.
But anyway, this protein coating around the cancer cells, one of its
unique qualities, has a negative electrostatic charge. Well, the immune
cells, the lymphocytes, the leukocytes, the monocytes, all these white
blood cells that are supposed to attack the foreign invaders they have a
negative electrostatic charge also. Well, everyone knows that common
polarities repel each other so the cancer cell is well protected against
the white blood cell. And I believe the reason is because the cancer cell
is not foreign to the body. Its part of the natural protections. Hey, Im a
friend, not a foe. So now if you are eating foods that have a lot of meat
protein in them youre probably going to use to most if not all of that
digestive enzyme produced by your pancreas to digest the meat. Thats
what its meant to do.
Ty: Yeah, makes sense.
G. Edward Griffin: And theres very little left over, if anything left over,
to do anything else. But if your diet is low in meat protein and if your
pancreas is normal, functioning okay, you should have plenty of
digestive enzyme to take care of the meat and still be plenty in the blood
stream. Now, when these digestive enzymes come to the cancer cell
they say, ah, protein, meat, and they will actually digest away that
coating. Now the underlying cancer cells is exposed. And it has a

positive electrostatic charge and now here come the white blood cells
and they do literally attack the cancer cell once its been stripped of its
electrical protection. So all of the physicians that I have ever met that
are following this alternative therapy, this concept, one of the things they
focus on is making sure that the patient changes the diet to either
eliminate meat altogether or make sure its very, very low. And a lot of
people dont understand that. They think, well, what is it? Just some
kind of a vegetarian nut, you know, or something. Do we have to eat
vegetables too to go along with it? Well yeah, definitely at least if you
have clinical cancer, you definitely want to make sure that whatever
your pancreas is producing in the way of these digestive enzymes is
completely available to do that job.
Ty: And that would explain then why many physicians, part of
their protocol to treat cancer add pancreatic enzymes to the
protocol.
G. Edward Griffin: Thats exactly it.
G. Edward Griffin on Laetrile
G. Edward Griffin: There is a substance in nature, again, cant be

patented. its in nature. And its aboutin about 14 hundred edible
plants. its ubiquitous. its everywhere except on the plates of modern
man because it has a bitter taste to it. And if you have a choice, if youre
not just living in a primitive society and you can choose what foods you
want you normally dont choose bitter.
Ty: We like sweet.
G. Edward Griffin: We like sweet. And that is the beginning of the

problem or at least the answer to the question, why does modern man
have cancer and primitive man does not? Theres a part of the answer.
Well, anyway, this substance is called amygdaline. its well known. its
been in the pharmacopedia for almost a 100 years. I think it was first
isolated and described in Germany. And its been used for medicinal
purposes for a long, long time. Amygdaline is a substance that is bitter
and its found in grasses and in seeds primarily. And they have found
that in those cultures, those places in the world where the diet, the
native is rich in amygdaline foods the cancer rate is very low if not zero.
And you compare the diet to the same foodor you compare that diet to
the diet of the people in modern societies where cancer rates are high
and you find theres practically no Amygdaline at all. its just a
completeits an eye opener. And what are those cultures? Well, the
hunzas [ph] I think you mentioned a moment ago are probably the best
known little kingdom up in Northwest Pakistan and its a very idealic
place Im told. The story Shangri-La they say was actually written based
upon hunza as the model. Everybody knows the story of Shangri-La.
Well, hunza is pretty much like that. its very remote. You risk your life
getting into it. And I always thought I wanted to go visit Hunza after I
read about it until I saw some photographs of these deep ravines that
you have to walk across on a rope bridge and about its about a mile
and a half straight down. You go along the cliffs like this. I was like, no,
I think Ill just read a book about it. But anyway. That is really the way it
was. I guess they have a road in now.
The people in Hunza never had cancer. But afterwards when they come
out of Hunza and they go into other countries and they start eating the
same foods that those people eat they come down with cancer live
everyone else. In Hunza, at least in the beginning when all this research
was done there was no such thing as money. its kind of a primitive
society. And a mans wealth was measured by the number of apricot
trees he owns. And people apricot seeds there, a little sweeter than the
ones in California but still loaded with amygdaline and they eat them like
candy. It was like a delicacy there. Well, theyre just one example. There
are other cultures, the Vilcabambas, the Navajo and the Hopi Indians,
the aboriginal Eskimos. All of those cultures had zero or very low cancer
rates. And if you look at the native diet in every case their foods are at
least 200 times, if not more, rich in amygdaline than anything that you
would find in a major city or even in the countryside in our western
world. So thats a clue. And so then the next question is, well, what is
this thing, amygdaline, how does it work? its very simple. Amygdaline is
a molecule that has four components in it locked together. Theyre two
components of sugar or glucose. Theres one component of cyanide.
And theres the world that scares people. Well come back to that in a
minuteand one component of benzaldehyde. Now people say, wow,
cyanide. You want to take cyanide to treat cancer.
Ty: Right.
G. Edward Griffin: And the answer is yes, of course. Well, doesnt

cyanide kill you? Well, yes, if its real pure, gaseous cyanide. If its pure
cyanide, yes. But when its in a molecule with other components its not
cyanide. its something else. its like vitamin B-12. its called
cyanocobalamin. We would be dead if we didnt have cyanide in our
bodies in that form. In cyanocobalamin its not cyanide. its
cyanocobalamine. Its a molecule thats made up of one of the
components being cyanide. Well, theres a big difference between free

cyanide which is gaseous or when its locked with other components or
elements. And so thats the key to understanding why were not worried
about cyanide being part of the molecule. The real question is, well,
what is it that would release the cyanide? And by the way, the
benzaldehyde is toxic too. Most people dont know that. And the two
together are even more toxic than two times each. So itsif you release
the cyanide and the benzaldehyde youve released a very toxic
component so you have to be very careful about that. And then the next
question is, well, what releases it? And Im glad youre sitting down for
this, of course, I think you already know this. But I hope everybody
watching this is sitting down because the thing that released the cyanide
and the benzaldehyde is an enzyme called beta glucosidase. its an
enzyme. And where is that found? In cancer cells and only in cancer
cells.
Ty: Wow!
G. Edward Griffin: Its a beautiful mechanism of nature that could not

have been accidental. If the bodys natural method of controlling
overgrowth, over healing because once you get one cell that is an over
healing cell It contains this unlocking enzyme as we call it. And the
unlocking enzyme comes in contact with amygdaline if you are eating
food with amygdaline in it.
Ty: Thats the big if
G. Edward Griffin: Thats the big if, yeah.
Ty: You have to eat it.
G. Edward Griffin: If youre not eating food with amygdaline in it then

it doesnt work. But if you are eatingit doesnt take much. Just a little
bit. And if you are eating it and its in your blood stream, it comes in
contact with that over growth cell, the over growth cell releases the toxic
components and commits harry carry and you dont even know that
anything happened. You come to the conclusion that everybody has
cancer all the time but its continually being controlled and eliminated by
a natural mechanism of the body. its nothing to worry about. its part of
nature. its part of the healing process. The only time you need to worry
about it is if youve messed up your body in some way then youve not
given it the fuel. You havent given it the components it needs to do its
job. And so thats the big difference between the alternative view of
cancer and the orthodox view of cancer.

Ty: Talk about the California report of 1953. Ive heard youIve
read some of your writings about the California report and its very
interesting topic.
G. Edward Griffin: It is and its a clear example of the degree to

whichI guess theres no other word but fraud, the degree to which
fraud, deliberate, conscious fraud can be injected into what we would
normally think is a scientific process. Early in the days of development
of laetrile there were stories circulating that people were getting well.
Theyre being treated and theyre coming back from the edge of the
grave and so forth. And so naturally the pharmaceutical industry wanted
to put an end to this. And so they set up a deal where they wanted to
have it tested. The idea is, okay, none of this discussion about people
getting saved, none of these little stories. Lets do a scientific test. Well,
everybody was in favor of that except they insisted that only those who
were opponents of laetrile do the tests because nobody else could do
the tests you see, and it had to be the oncologists and the people on the
staff of the pharmaceutical industry and so forth. Well anyway, to make
a long story short, and it is a long story, the California branch of the
AMA, the California Medical Association was given the task of doing a
test on laetrile. And the people who were in charge of this were all in the
cancer industry. The two men, as I remember their names correctly, that
wrote the analysis of the report were Dr. McFarland and Garland I think.
And McFarland I think was a surgeon. And Garland I think was a
radiologist or maybe it was the other way around. But they werethere
was a surgeon and a radiologist and the other members of the panel
were all in similar positions. Most of them were radiologists interestingly
enough I think.
So anyway, they all had kind of a vested interested in not finding

something that would interfere with their businesses you see. So there
was sort of a bias built in. anyway, they did this very fine scientific study
using mice and so forth. They spent a lot of money and they produced
the report and McFarland and Garland announced that there was no
evidence whatsoever that laetrile had any effect whatsoever in the
control of cancer. So that was all anybody needed to hear. There was
something done by the California Medical Association and two fine
upstanding doctors. Well, these doctors, just to give you an idea of how
fine and scientifically astute they were, these were the guys that both of
them said that there was no connection at all between cigarette smoking
and lung cancerthe same doctors, yeah, before they got involved in
this report. But they had already been bought and paid for by the
tobacco industry, of course. In fact, I think it was McFarlane that even
made this fantastic quote, a pack a day keeps cancer away.

Ty: Ive seen the newspaper ads that they used to run that had that
exact quote. That was from him.
G. Edward Griffin: That was from him. He was one of the guys.
Incidentally he died in bed some years later in a fire started by his
cigarette in bed.
Ty: Wow!
G. Edward Griffin: It burnt him up. I mean Im sorry that anybody died
especially from fire but I thought it was a certain irony
Ty: Poetic justice
G. Edward Griffin: poetic justice or something. And the other guy

died of cancer of the lung. Theyre both heavy smokers. So anyway, that
gives you a little idea of the scientific expertise of these guys. Well, as
far as most doctors are concerned if they see a report from the
California Medical Association and its accepted by the teaching
institutions, theres no question that that isthats science, right. Thats
authentic.
Ty: Thats gospel truth.
G. Edward Griffin: That is gospel truth. Well, and it was accepted as

gospel truth for quite a while. and then we got a hold of a copy of the full
report. Ive forgotten how we did it but we did and it was a big thick
report. All anybody ever saw was that little summary that they wrote.
And it turns out that these guys never use laetrile themselves. They
were just sort of analyzing the laboratory results of the study and this
was their summary. Well, when you go back and read the actual pages
of the report the summary was a lie, an absolute lie. Nobody ever went
back to look at it. There was plenty of evidence in the laboratory work
that it did retard the growth of cancer. In spite of the fact that it was a
high question about the quality of the laetrile they were using. In fact, it
was pretty sureit was pretty obvious that they did not have a good
quality laetrile.
It was also obvious they were using lower dosages than was being used
in the clinics. And in spite of those two handicaps the laboratory results
were reporting case after case after case where these mice were
recovering from cancer right in the body of the report. And yet, the
summary was there was absolutely no evidence that theresyou know,
etc. etc. This was sort of the flagship of what had been repeated many
times since then. The Sloan-Kettering report did pretty much the same
thing and it goes on and on and on. And once people realized that not
only is there just ineptitude or bias in the cancer industry, bias against
natural therapies, but also deliberate fraud. Now were dealing with a
different animal because when you consider the number of people who
die from cancer this amounts to genocide.
Dr. Rashid Buttar on AARSOTA
Ty: Ive read about your cancer protocol. And you have something
that you call AARSOTA. Can you talk about what your AARSOTA
is. Is it a vaccine? What is AARSOTA?
Dr. Rashid Buttar: AARSOTA is an acronym that stands for

autogenous antigen receptor specific oncogenic target acquisition.
Ty: Im glad you called it AARSOTA.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Yeah.
Ty: I can remember that, A-A-R-S-O-T-A.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Thats right, AARSOTAA-A-R-S-O-T-AExactly!

So autogenous means you bodys own. Antigen receptor specific means
its specific to an antigen receptor site that were collecting that we
isolate from the urine similar to what Brazinski [ph] does except hes
coming up with antineoplastins at a universal across the board and
were saying that the antigen receptor sites in everybodys tumor is
unique as just as their DNAs unique specific to them. So its an
autogenous bodys own antigen receptor specific, specific to the DNA of
that individual.
Autogenous, antigen receptor specific, oncogenic meaning cancer,

target acquisition meaning its acquiescing the target. It helps the bodys
immune system to identify whats being formed. So cancer first and
foremost is a problem with the immune system. You cannot have cancer
if you have an intact immune system. If people say, oh no, my immune
systems fine then you cant have cancer. You cant have two. Okay,
those two things cant live together. If its an immune system thats
compromised you can have cancer. If you have cancerif you have a
cancer you have to by definition have a compromised immune system.
So part of this is we have to stimulate the immune system. We have to
repair the immune system.

So theres five phases that we use when we deal with cancer patients.
The first is systemic detoxification as weve talked about. The second
one is physiological optimization. So we want to optimize the entire
physiology to that of the highest possible level that we can. In quantum
physics lingo this would be achieving zero point. So were trying to get
maximum benefit, maximum output with minimal expenditure of energy.
The third phase is immune modulation. We want to repair the immune

system, train the immune system to start working again. The fourth one
is target acquisition or to acquiesce a target meaningagain you know
Im prior militaryso you have to first identify the target and the problem
is the immune system many times doesnt identify that cancers being
formed because the cancer mimics a fetus, alpha fetoprotein, human
chorionic gonadotropin. These are non-specific markers of cancer but
theyre also markers of pregnancy. When you do a pregnancy test
youre looking for HCG. When you do the alpha fetoprotein for women
for amniocentesis thats a market of pregnancy but its also a marker,
non-specific marker, for cancer.
So the cancer mimics a fetus so the body doesnt respond to it. So we

have to now show the body that this is not natural, this thing thats
growing in here its not supposed to be left alone. its actually supposed
to be attacked. And so we have to train the body to acquiesce that
target. So we basicallyits like flipping on night goggles and all of a
sudden you realize whos foreign and should bewhich are the aliens
that need to be eliminated and which are not, Ty, if you believe in
science fiction movies like that. I think the aliens are all friendly if there
are aliens out there, so. But anyway. You understand what Im saying.
Thats a different part. You dont want to know that part about Dr. Buttar,
right?

Ty: Yeah, I want to know everything.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: Were going to go out and see our UFO buddies
next week, right?
Ty: That sounds good, sounds good.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: And so thats the fourth part. And then the fifth part
is maintenance. So youve got the first one, systemic detoxification, the
second one, the physiological optimization, the third one, immune
modulation, fourth one, target acquisition into the fifth one, the fifth step
is maintenance. And thats how we deal with cancer.
Burton Goldberg: We have many doctors talking about no

chemotherapy. I also agree no chemotherapy the way conventional
uses it. It is truly evil. Can you imagine you lose your hair and vomit is
the treatment they give you? But you can use chemotherapy. And since
2002 after the genome project that the US government performed my
mentor, Albert Scheller, went to a clinic, a laboratory, in Germany and
said, why dont we use the genome project and find out what products
will knock out the cancer in a patients blood?
And so if you send your blood to Germany or Greece or some of the

good laboratories. There are only a few in the worldnone in the United
StatesYou can know which natural substance or chemotherapeutic
agent will target the cells. So when all these people talk about no chemo
theyre ancient history because you can use targeted chemo. And what
youre targeting is not only the primary but the minute you put a needle
in the cancer tumor or a knife it spreads. And it can spread without the
knife or the needle contrary to what your oncologists say. Thats another
form of crimes against humanity.
Ty: Spreading the cancer via biopsy
Burton Goldberg: And saying it doesnt happen, the biopsy doesnt

spread it. It does whether its prostate or breast or wherever. So youre
looking for the circulating tumor cells. These are the ones that
metastasize. Thats whywell, John Wayne died 12 years after his first
cancer because they had paid no attention to the circulating tumor cells.
They knocked out the primary but the primarys a piece of junk
according to our doctors. It is the circulating cells that go to the kidney
and the brain and the lungs. So you have to pay attention to both. And
in this country its not available.

The men who develop this with Dr. Albert Scheller went to the National
Cancer Institute and said, this is what I found. With the genome project I
developed this system. We can tell which chemotherapeutic agent will
work on that persons circulating tumor cells and/or natural
substancesvitamin C or regularyou name it. And its done in Greece
and its done in Germany. I use a company called Bio Focus in
Germanyso that you know in advance. Now Ive had cancer twice. Im
87-years of age. To give you a perspective I was in the Second World
War. I am the same age as the Queen. I am a year older than the pope
that retired. Ive had cancer twice. And I had the best skiing of my life
two weeks ago up in Aspen, Colorado. Ive been on some special stem
cellsunbelievable. Works fantastic!
Cancer must be checked constantly. Once you have cancer and it goes
into remission you must constantly every year or two year check and
see that these circulating tumor cells are no longer present which I do. I
send my blood to Germany and then they tell me. Now the purpose of
knowing which chemo will work allows the doctor to use micro amounts
of chemo. In other words, its never the full amount because it does
destroy the immune system. But if you use five, seven, ten percent,
fractionated doses of the targeted chemos, and it could be one or two,
because the minute it leaves the primary it mutates. And what works in
the primary will not work on the circulating tumor cells.
So Bio Focus has this test. Its pricey and they have a less expensive
one that says you have cancer or you dont. But the expensive one tells
you which chemo or natural substances will target that cell so the doctor
then will use insulin potentiated carryingusing sugar to carry the
radiologicnot the radiologic moleculethe chemotherapy into the
tumor. And then if you use full body hyperthermia you have a 14 times
better effect of killing the cancer than not having the full body
hyperthermia. And hyperthermia, they put you in a chamber, your
heads outside. Youre in for an hour a day for two weeks. If you need
more its every other day because of heat shock. And it opens up the
body and allows the chemo to go into the cancer cell and kill it.
Remember its five, ten percent. Youre not killing the healthy cells.
Ty: So its a fractional dose of what the normal chemotherapy

would be.
Burton Goldberg: A fractional dose targeted with insulin potentiated.

See
Ty: Thats going tothats to my knowledge called IPTLD, instant

potentiated low dose chemo.

Burton Goldberg: Exactly! Targeted low dose and with full body
hyperthermia at a temperature of a 105 107, unbelievable results.
Ty: So then really what were looking at is sort of like an insulin

patented low dose chemo as a treatment that Ive become familiar
with. People have mentioned this in this interview series, this
docu-series that were doing that they use the insulin as a
potentiator to kind of trick the cancer cells into opening up and
then the chemo kills them.
Webster Kehr: Right.
Ty: So the same basic principle.
Webster Kehr: Im glad you brought that up because when I first got
started into cancer research there was a clinic down in the southeast, I
cant remember which exactly which state it was in. And one of the
cancer patients I was working with was going to that clinic. It used
DMSO and low dose chemotherapy. I call it DMSO potentiation therapy
. It doesnt really have a name. Thats just my name. But DMSO and
MSM are not glucose products but they have a propensity to target
cancer cells by themselves. And they open the ports of the cancer cells.
And so DMSO and low dose chemotherapyI mean there are four
different types of chemotherapy that actually bind to the DMSO. And so
DMSO and low dose chemotherapy, the right kind of low dose
chemotherapy was being used in one of the clinics down there. I never
got around to contacting them because they were shut down by the
FDA, so. But that would be even a better than insulin potentiation
therapy.
Frequency Generators & Electromedicine
Webster Kehr: This goes back to the 1930s. you know, it was known
in the 1890s that William Russell knew that there were microbes inside
the cancer cells. It was rediscovered in the early 1900s. It was
rediscovered again, and again, and again, because back then you didnt
have the communication that we have today. And in the 1930s Royal
Rife, Dr. Royal Rife, who was a microbiologist knew that there were
microbes inside the cancer cells. And he came up with an
electromedicine device, a couple of them actually, which was designed

to do nothing but kill the microbes inside the cancer cells. When he did
that, of course, the cancer cells reverted into normal cells. Now one of
his major contributions aside from finding the right frequencies was that
he also determined that you needed a carrier wave to get the cancer,
the microbe killing, the cancer microbe killing frequency, all the way
through the body so it would kill all the microbes in the cancer cells,
would not harm natural cells because natural cells, healthy cells, dont
have these microbes in them. They would only affect the microbes in the
blood stream, which are good to kill. Theres very few microbes that are
good. There are a few that are good but its not going to bother them.
Even if you kill them its not really going to have a lot of effect. So he
developed this technology. The American Medical Association tried to
buy him out and he refused because he did not trust them. Good for
him. And so the Food and Drug Administration went down and
destroyed his laboratory, his equipment, destroyed all of his inventory.
Homeopathy, Mistletoe, & Medicinal Herbs
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby: And your viewers Im sure will be very
interested in studies that were donethey were done in India originally
but they were repeated here. And they found that using three or four
homeopathic remedies were actually effective. Now listen to this.
Glioma, you know, the brain tumor is pretty deadly. They found two
remedies, phytolacca, thats pokeweed, and carcinosin, which is made
from cancer itself; actually resolve six out of seven gliomas. As a result
the tumors disappeared, the markers disappeared, right. Theres not
enough follow-up on that to know what the famous five year survival
was. But thats a pretty remarkable result for taking what the orthodox
doctors say is just water. Its a fake. Theres nothing in it. Well, you
know, the patient certainly did better.
And then maybe I should just mention an alternative type of

homeopathy sometimes called complex homeopathy or Germany
homeopathy. And it was invented by a guy called Hans Heindrick
Reckeweg. And basically its mixtures. Now classic homeopaths think
thats all wrong. You know, youve got to get the exact remedy. But he
said mixtures are good. And so hed have mixtures of things like
drainage to drain toxins or mixtures of things that would help liver and
mixture of things that would help the brain and blood flow and all of
those things. Okay. and thatsIm an international advisor in this
particular branch. Homotoxicology is the preferred term except we got
turned out of a hotel once. Around meeting us they heard the word
homo and though we were homosexuals. Were not having your people
here. Thats Europe for you.
But anyway, homotoxicology because it means autotoxins or bodys

own toxins. And the model here is not cells so much as extra cellular
fluid cleansing it of toxins. And you can do this with interesting mixtures.
And the most famous one is called iscador and Im sure youve heard of
that on your travels. Somebodys gone and talked about it. Suzanne
Sommers made it famous. In fact, she took it. Its basically viscum, well,
mistletoe, viscum album its called. Mistletoe is highly toxic. Now listen,
this isyou got me going on another thing. But we dont want too much
in alternative or holistic treatments of a toxic stuff.
You know, thats what I call chemotherapy thinking, you know, Ill take
stuff and itll kill the cancer and I dont even have to change my diet.
Thats not going to work. You got to do all the good things Ive been
talking about. But mistletoe, you cant say its safe and natural and
holistic, its extremely poisonous, right. But if you take it the right dose,
and its got a tradition of hundreds of years now. Iscador itself was
developed by Rudolf Steiner. That went back in Victorian times. And it
containedyou know, theres a few things. So its a mixture. One of the
important ones is mercury iodide. And the iodine is great for the thyroid
because thats something else I havent got time to elaborate on.
But 20 years ago I noticed that and then it surfaced in all the literature. I
keep seeing it. But I noticed it that because I use those EAV testing
machines and it would tell you hidden signals. And time and again with
cancer you get a signal on thyroid. The thyroid wasnt performing and
the underperforming thyroid is one of the biggest reasons why the
immune system goes down. You cannot afford to have an inefficient,
anthats tongue twister. You cannot afford to have an inefficient
thyroid if youve got cancer. So you need to beef it up and you need to
have your thyroid checked. So theres another hot tip for the viewers. All
thats built in to the iscador remedy.
And if you take it as it should be its very safe. And Ive got to tell you
that something like 60 percent, its the most prescribed oncological
treatment in Germany now, right. You wouldnt believe that but 60
percent of cancer patients will take it whether their doctor says to or not.
They will. its got a very strong tradition. And as I said over here if you
dont think German means it could be good then Suzanne Sommers is
your reference, right. She liked it and she claims it really, really helped
her. And Ive used it a lot, of course.

Ty: [Wendy], let me ask you also about another combination of

herbs thats called the hoxsey tonic. It was a tea that formulated by
a man named Harry Hoxsey. Actually it was formulated by his
grandfather. It was passed down to Harry. And it contains red
clover. Talk about red clover in treating cancer.
Wendy Wilson: Yeah. Red clover is a blood purifier. And so basically

your blood systems going to be the cancer highway. its going to help
spread the cancer cells. So red clovers a nice way to sweep those
cancer cells out of the blood system. If you layer it with a blood root and
burdock and yellow dock you get even more power in doing that so its
like a blood cleanser, if you will. And blood, when its laden down with
impurities cant carry enough oxygen and nutrition to the cells to help
them power up and defend themselves and get rid of cancer. So red
clover is an excellent herb. Most people have it in their yards but they
usually spray it with Round-Up or something. But if you have some dont
spray it with Round-Up and if you do decide to collect it its usually going
to be at the fall in September when the buds turn bright red.
Former World Kickboxing Champion

Ian Jacklin on Hemp
Ian Jacklin: And the new thing is cannabis hemp oil. I don't know how
much youve heard about that but you basically take marijuana and boil
it down to two ounces of the essential oil preferably with Ever Clear or

some kind of food grade solvent. And boom, you got yourself, not only
possibly the cancer cure, but the Crohns cure, the AIDS cure, the
diabetes cure. And I use the word cure lightly because there is no such
thing. I mean sure, you can cure it but theres no silver bullet and I dont
want to get anybody too excited because there is no silver bullet from
what Ive seen.
Cannabis hemp oil would definitely be in my arsenal for the CVDs and
the THC. The THC, theyre both cannabinoids. The THC will get you
high but that is more for the cancer. So for the cancer patients I would
recommend getting the higher TH but the CVDs are very, very important
too for healing. Those are the ones that Dr. Sanjay Gupta brought out
that are curing the seizures on the children, right. Hes the guy that said,
oh no, marijuana is bad years ago and now has come back and said,
oops, I was wrong. And you know, nice guy for doing that because not a
lot of them do that. And theyre wrong. And so many children are being
saved because of that guy coming out with CNN. And God bless CNN
too. I don't know how you guys are doing it. How are you guys telling the
truth?
Any old folks home that isnt giving them, their patients, cannabis
products they dont care about the old folks or theyre just not educated
yet which is obviously the answer because we havent told them yet but
once we doevery old folks home should have cannabis hemp oil in it,
the high CVD and the high THC because it reduces inflammation. MyI
needed a hip replacement from my 10 years of kickboxing. Since I tried
the cannabis hemp oil it really reduced the inflammation to the point
where I can walk without a limp for quitefor periods of time plus Im
doing a lot of other things to rebuild that. But for those that have arthritis

or almost any ailment you can think of the cannabis hemp oil is justits
working wonders.
Ty: So would you call hemp an evil weed or a miracle plant?
Ian Jacklin: I call it Gods gift.
Far Infrared Saunas & Rebounding
Ty: Dr. Sahni talk about far infrared saunas. I know that youre a
big proponent of far infrareds. Talk about the effect that this can
have on cancer.
Dr. Irvin Sahni: So far infrared saunas, the way they work is relatively
simple. They exploit or take advantage of a portion of the
electromagnetic spectrum that basically increases the temperature of
the body, creates hypothermia without exposing the body to some of the
negative portion of the spectrum which we know is the ultraviolet
spectrum, go out in the sun too much you can get skin cancer especially
if you dont wear sunscreen and youre light complected.
So far infrared sauna takes a part of that spectrum that creates heat but
not necessarily damage in the way that being out in the sun does. I think
the Indians were probablyyou know, the American Indians were
people who were doing these more ritualistic heat treatments on
themselves long before far infrared saunas were around kind of. Maybe
they didnt understand the science behind it but they knew it was good
for you. But basically what it does is it raises your body temperature and
then your body has to release that heat.
The way we release our heat is by sweating and that sweating helps
the sweat helps carry the heat away from the body. So by stimulating
that mechanism people dont realize this but you excrete just as much
urea, okay, through your skin, maybe moreId have to go back and
look at the numbersbut a significant amount of toxins are excreted
through your skin as they are in your urine or your stool. And in some
cases probably specific toxins even more. And so by exposing yourself
to a reasonable timeframe and a reasonable level, a safe level, of heat
you can just basically stimulate your body to sort of accelerate that
excretion of toxins. And you can make that happen faster.

Normal cells are able to withstand heat because of their normal

anatomy compared to the abnormal anatomy of say a cancer cell
especially in relation to its vascular supply. And so a cancer cell doesnt
do well in a hyperthermic situation. This has been shown in mainstream
science to be the case. And so by exposing your body to that heat
youre selectively killing or eradicating those less viable cells, those
cancer cells without hurting your normal cells. And so the far infrared
sauna is useful because it can help you sweat, excrete toxins, and in
theory eliminate cancer cells which cant survive the heat as well as the
normal cells.
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: So what we have our patients do is we have them

do things like rebounding. Rebounding is one of the best exercises
against cancer and every other disease because it moves your lymph
system better than anything else and moving your lymph is the most
important thing against cancer and disease.
Ty: Why is rebounding so important?
Dr. Darrell Wolfe: Well, let meremember what I said. I always want
you to question people. I want all my patients. I say you question me
and you question everyone else. If theyre not speaking logic, if one and
one dont make two or if you go there and you go Im confused, or if you
feel fear from something I said chances are Im lying or I don't know Im
lying.
Okay. So rebounding, think about it. When your children were young
and they couldnt walk and they were like little babies and they were
crying, what did you for them Ty? Do you remember? You bounced
them on your knee or you rocked them on your shoulder. Whyd you do
that? You rock the baby because the only way that the lymph system
can move is by up and down motion. And your lymph system, okay,
youve got eight pints of blood but youve got 12 quarts of lymph. Dont
you forget that. And when you find that youre getting all puffy and
swollen thats your lymph system and youre in big trouble.
So you know, when people they swell up like a puff ball, well, thats
because theyre retaining water because theyre so bloody toxic and
theyve been backing up waste for years. So when you start cleansing
out the colon and you rebound youre moving that stuff. If you move the
circulation its like if the water doesnt move you better not drink it
because its going to kill you because it has to circulate. So rebounding
also exercises every cell individually toning it.

What would the experts do?
Ty: If you were personally diagnosed with, say, prostate cancer

like your grandfather had, what would be the steps that you would
take to treat it?
AJ Lanigan: You know, Ive been asked that question many times. You
know who William Delakeli [ph] is. I am a tremendous believer in what
he has done, not only because of what Ive read in his book but Ive
probably over the years met close to a hundred survivors. Im talking
about not three year survivors, five year. Im talking about 10, 15, 20
plus year survivors. One of my closest friends, Dr. John L. Tate, up in
Spartanburg, South Carolina, hes a 40 plus year cancer survivor from
prostate cancer. Ive met woman with breast cancer. I actually met
somebody, a 15 plus year survivor of pancreatic cancer. I have
Ty: 15 years
AJ Lanigan: Yeah. And to me anecdotal if thats all youve got, if all

youve got is, well, Johnny was sick, Johnny showed up, Johnny got
these pills, now Johnnys better thats when I talk about an anecdotal.
But when you got the medical records, you got the pictures of the
tumors, you got the before and afters and spades. As a doctor told me
time, Mr. Lanigan you cant argue with results. You dont have to explain
it, I see the pictures. And Im inclined not to believe one doctor who told
me one time, well, you know, cancer sometimes cures itself. There is a
reason. And after 15, 16, 17 years in enhancing the immune system
using Beta Glucan. Ive seen tumors disappear. Ive seen doctors in
amazement. Are these the right records? Is this my patient? I mean
because this cant be because we havent treated you yet with chemo
and radiation. Your cancer cant be getting better. Your cancer cant be
gone. People who have embraced certain diets, coffee enema is one of
my favorites. As Dr. Tate used to always tell me, man, that coffee is
good but youre putting it the wrong end. I actually tried a few coffee
enemas. Ill be honest with you Id probably be in aId probably enjoy
being in a fist fight but if I had cancer Id figure out a way.
Ty: So let me ask you this Dr. J. if you were diagnosed with colon
cancer lets say what would you do?
Dr. David Jockers: Well, I will tell you I mean this does hit home. I
didnt talk about this in the beginning but early on in my practice I was
28-years-old and all of a sudden I had this big red spot on my nose right
here. And the cancer actually that my grandfather had was a melanoma,
a metastatic melanoma, so a skin cancer. And so I knew I was
susceptible to something along those lines. I grew up surfing on the
beach. So Ive had a lot of intense sun exposure, probably been burnt
way more than I would naturally recommend just really because I didnt
know any better. And so I knew I was susceptible and at that period of
time in my life I was living, number one, with a lot of fear. I had just
opened a business. I was in a tremendous amount of debt. I had a lot of
people counting on me. There was lots ofyou know when you run a
business theres confrontation. Theres all different types of issues and
you know, my nutrition wasnt excellent. It was great. I would say it was
a lot better than most people. It wasnt excellent.
There was a lot of things in my life that were issues. And so I looked at
myself in the mirror and I could see exactly what was developing. And I
knew enough to know that that was not normal. And certainly I could
have gone to a dermatologist or somebody for a more advanced
diagnosis of it but I really didnt need that. To me it was a wakeup call.
And I think really for all of us weve got to have eyes to see and ears to
hear in our own life because ultimately if were living in a way thats just
not beneficial to us and the people around us theres going to be
wakeup calls. And I just took inventory of where I was in my life and I
realized that fear was my dominating thoughtfear of failure, fear of
letting people down, and I knew I needed to work on myself mentally,
emotionally, spiritually. I looked at my nutrition. I realized, you know
what. There was probably way too many carbohydrates in there than
there should be. Okay. and so I took out the carbohydrates and went

ketoketogenic. I was over training. I was actually exercising too much.

So I really focused on rest, really, really resting my body well because I
was in a state of adrenal fatigue.
And so I really needed to rest effectively. And I just took inventory of all
the different areas in my life sort of doing more detox, really trying to
detoxify my liver, utilizing some different supplements, some different
advanced strategies. In a matter of two months it completely went away.
And so to me it was justit was really just a message that, hey, my
body can heal itself. I just need to line up with the right principles. And
certainly, I wouldnt say I was in an advanced state of cancer but I was
looking at something that had the potential to kill me. And you know, by
just heeding that warning, taking inventory of my life, really getting in
under check I was able to heal myself naturally. And so I would take the
same approach.
Ty: Question for you
Wendy Wilson: Okay.
Ty: If you were diagnosed with cervical cancer what would you
do? What would yourgive me your steps to treat cervical cancer.
Wendy Wilson: Well, Id through the organ cleanses. I do them twice a

year. I do them twice a year. You can do them as often as every three
months if you want. Most people are able to get them in twice a year.
They pick a seasonspring or fall.
Ty: What do you mean organ cleansing.
Wendy Wilson: Organ cleanses, you want to do the five major ones.
And this is to make sure you have toxin removal, free flow of toxins
coming out of the body. So when you have too many toxins it
compromises the system and becomes a weakened chain, link in the
chain, and you can develop a problem. So you do your bowel cleansing.
You do it in this order because you want to open the last stage of toxin
removal first. So normally the blood would be filtering toxins to the liver
and then the liver will neutralize those impurities with an enzyme called
P450. And then the residues go to the gallbladder and the gallbladder
will dump those through the bowel, through the duodenum and the
urinary tract to leave the body. So you want to open the bowel and the
urinary tract first. So those are the colon cleanse and the urinary tract
cleanse you want to do. Then you can move to the liver and gallbladder

and then blood system. So once youve got the system purified make
sure you dont put anything in there that would compromise and
recongest the system is usually how I put it. So do your green
vegetables. You may want to do some juice therapy. Do some spirulina
and chlorella protein in your juicing, and just get some organic whole
foods into the system and get away from the processed foods, no
processed foods. Now theres even some herbal boluses that we
instruct folks that they can use to get to the area a little quickly. They
can do castor oil packs to draw more cancer out through the skin. You
can do a combination of things, not just one thing when it comes to
cancer. You can kind of pound it from different areas and just get it to
leave the body faster.
Ty: Well, that is consistent with your cleanse and nourish.
Wendy Wilson: It is.
Ty: Is that a cleanse?
Wendy Wilson: Its real basic but its an old therapy. I mean its
hundreds of years old if not thousands of years old and it seems to be
very basic and its doable. People can do it.
Ty: So let me ask you this Mike, what would you do if you were
diagnosed today with prostate cancer? What would be your
protocol that you wouldand Im not asking you to recommend
this to anybody.
Mike Adams: Right
Ty: Okay. We dont do that.
Mike Adams: Yeah
Ty: But what would you do personally if your doctor said you got
prostate cancer?
Mike Adams: Well, the first thing I would do is try to understand why
where did this prostate cancer come from. And a guy like myself who
eats very healthy foods and super foods and leads an anti-cancer
lifestyle. This news would be a shock and the most likely culprit would
be an environmental cause, probably a hormone disruption chemical.
So I would immediately start to think maybe Im being exposed to BPA,

which is probably true. Im sure I have some level of BPA in my blood

because its almost impossible to get rid of.
Ty: And real quickly what is BPA?
Mike Adams: Oh, bisphenol Aa hormone mimicker.
Ty: Which is a hormone mimicker thats in what?
Mike Adams: Its a plasticizer.
Ty: Okay. its in plastic.
Mike Adams: And its in receipts. See, this is the thing. When I take a
receipt from a place of purchase Im touching that receipt and Im getting
BPA from that receipt. So wed figure BPA.
Ty: Yeah.
Mike Adams: So then in that case youd want to get hormone sensitive
super foods or super foods that interact with that metabolic pathway
which would be, for example, I3C, indole-3-carbinole, which is one of
the medicinal phytonutrient constituents of broccoli, yeah, the
cruciferous vegetable. So I would immediately start doing that. If it were
prostate cancer I would also really up my dosage of resveratrol and
zincboth of those things are very, very useful for prostate cancer
prevention. You can get zinc in pumpkin seeds. So I would probably
intake myincrease my intake of pumpkin seeds. There are also
pumpkin seed proteins out there that maintain many of the
phytonutrients of the pumpkin seed. So I would start to become a
pumpkin seed protein smoothie guy with a lot of resveratrol. I would also
eat red grapes with their seeds and I would specifically chew on the
seeds to release the many beneficial nutrients that the seeds contained.
Ty: So Dr. Quillin, last question for this interview. If you were
personally diagnosed with stomach cancer, colon cancer, what
would you do?
Dr. Patrick Quillin: Good question! first of all, I would hope that my
lifestyle gives me that 90 percent protection that we can cut your risk by
90 percent of getting cancer if you do things right. However, theres still
that 10 percent. And what I would do is Id work with the brightest
medical staff that I could. Id look for good diagnostics. Theres reasons

for these diagnostic equipmentyou know, MRIs, CAT scans, PET

scans, find out how invasive is the tumor, find out how much do we
have? There are some people who you better get in there and do
something aggressive right now or you could be dead within hours or
days. I would hope that I would have some to look at non-toxic
therapiesvery important for me is dont burn bridges. Too often the
medical therapies that are used for cancer patients, surgery, to take out
20 lymph nodes in breast cancer. Now the patients going to have lymph
edema, swollen lymph in their arm for the rest of their lifepain. Maybe
they need narcotics. Theyve burned a bridge. Was is necessary?
Radiation therapy, you know, you can damage the esophagus to the
point of where its like parchment paper from radiation. Was it
necessary? Using targeted therapyso for instance, instead of a whole
body radiation I might think about using IMRT or intensity modulated
radiation therapy, which is more of a rifle than a hand grenade.
But the first thing I would do is Id say Id like to have some information
about why I got it. Whats the underlying cause here? And here are
many very bright physicians in this country who look at etiology, toxic
burden, stress, malnutrition, take blood samples and look at whats the
level of everything from vitamins and minerals to whats the pH of your
body. Look at saliva samples, fecal samples, looking for parasites. So
an aggressive look at etiology, what caused this and a second
aggressive look at whats the stage, how invasive and aggressive is it?
And from that make some decisions that hopefully would lean towards a
relatively non-toxic therapy. For instance, intravenous vitamin helps
many, hurts none, infrared therapy, far infrared, cooking the cancer,
fever therapy helps some, hurts none.
So I always look at a risk to benefit to cost ratio saying I dont want to do

any damage. Thats what Hippocrates said. And the oath that all
physicians give is first do no harm. I would look at IV vitamin C,
hyperthermia. I would look atthere are some relatively non-toxic
therapies to modulate blood glucose lower blood glucose to try and
starve the tumor. There are some herbs that are extremely powerful. I
mentioned everything from this modified citrus pectin to theres an
extract that is a fermented version of wheat germ not to mention too
many names. But there is a pharmacy. There is a list of therapies that
are effective, clinically proven, relatively non-toxic, and relatively
inexpensive. If you think about treating a cancer patient one year is
going to cost about a quarter of a million average. There are cheaper,
more effective, more humane and scientific ways of doing cancer
treatment.

Ty: The doctor comes to you and says Robert Scott Bell your last
blood work shows that you have lung cancer. What do you do?
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Well, Im going to nebulize silver. Silver has
shown to have profound oncolytic properties. This is something we can
do. We talk about a pH issue sometimes. I don't know if youve covered
the use of the baking soda in this way. You can actually do a lavage
within the lungs to nebulize that into certain tissue of the lungs. Its a
little more difficult to do. But the silver alone is profound because the
cancer cells dont have an antioxidant defense mechanism. And the
silver brings with it as much as ten times its atomic weight in with every
particle of silver at a micro level. Were talking a nano scale level. And
you can overwhelm and devastate cancer cells in that area within the
alveola if you can inhale that deeply into your lungs.
Ty: And thats what nebulize means.
Dr. Robert Scott Bell: Yeah. To take a liquid into a vaporized state for
safe inhalation.
KC Craichy: I had just been diagnosed with this kind of cancer. What
should I do? And I will go through these seven and it goes through
something like this that, first of all, of all stop all sugar and starch
carbohydrates. I say if its a carbohydrate, if its white it aint right. So the
net of it is, okay, first stop that, stop feeding the problem and whacking
your immunity like weve talked about. So its a double edge sword. Its
a terrible thing. So get your vegetables and eat tons of them, vegetables
primarily, fruits not so much, but vegetables, eat a lot of fibrous
vegetables. So if youre going to get a carbohydrate it should come from
a fibrous vegetable. Okay. And then follow the four corners of super
food nutrition I talked about. Get all the nutrients that you body needs
and get the four cornerslow calorie, nutrient dense, high broad
spectrum antioxidant, take in all five classes of antioxidants, as I talked
about reducing the sugar and the glycemic response, and then
increasing the healthy fats, the fish oil fats.
Now again, I go to antioxidant and fish oil. We have a lot of people out
there touting shell fish oils like krill oil or sea mussel oil, that sort of
thing. I mean its still omega-3 and so it does have omega-3 benefit but
the touting of that instead of fish oil is not appropriate according to the
literature, or the way I have reviewed it. And so yes, you can get benefit
from those things but you talk about that this krill oil has a lot of
astaxanthin in it therefore it can keep it from spoiling, some of the things

we talked about in keeping the oils from spoiling. But when I looked at
how much astaxanthin was actually in a krill pill it was so minute it was
unbelievable. So you want to try to get 1-mg of astaxanthin in addition to
all the tocotrienols and so on to get the fish oils because its really
important that we talk about it. So all these things that Ive talked about
already are reducing inflammation and reducing glycation and oxidation
and angiogenesis.
So I personally would go on a fuel fast. I would have a fuel, a living fuel,

for breakfast lunch and dinner for until I decided what path I was going
to take to deal with this diagnosis and whether it was real or not. And
then things like resveratrol, its a very powerful antioxidant but thats one
of the ones that you ought to be taking and then curcumin. Curcumin
has been shown to be so anticancer. Theres a lot of research on that
now. And very recently a doctor sent me a photo which I showed you
about this squamous cell carcinoma on the lip of this patient that was
just terrible. And he put this paste with curcumin and coconut oil and in
two weeks it was gone. And I don't know what the biopsies look like that
but the point is just this, is that nutrition is powerful. Its extraordinarily
powerful and if you start pointed in the right direction and doing some of
the things that the research suggests it has to be good for you. Now Im
saying this is not a treatment protocol Im giving anybody. What Im
saying this is what I tell people, do these things while youre figuring out
what it is that youre going to do because see this business called
medicine or business called cancer care it does a lot of fear to patients.
You have this problem, we need to deal with it now. But the truth is that
it most likely is not that level of emergency. Now it can be. But most
likely you have some time to get a second opinion, to get your bearings,
get your brain working and to go somebody like Ralph Moss or
somebody else and buy a report because he has a great report, which I
always send people to to get this report. It tells you what are the types of
care used for that particular kind of cancer out there and what are the
success rates of the various ones, and who are the practitioners that are
doing it and what are the alternatives? That kind of information is
incredibly powerful because its put in a way that you can literally hand
that to the doctor and theres scientific documentation. They have to go,
oh yeah, I guess that does make sense.
And if your doctor refuses to work with you or tells you that you should
not take antioxidants during cancer care, you might want to consider a
different doctor because the literature is not backing that up.

Ty: Webster, let me ask you a question. Lets say you went to the
doctor and he diagnosed you with pancreatic cancer.
Webster Kehr: Okay.
Ty: What would you do personally?
Webster Kehr: Well, the first thing I would think about was, yes, now I
can experiment on myself. I would probably experiment on myself and if
it didnt work then I would use something thats proven to work. I would
notI have absolutely no fear of cancer.
Ty: I hope youve enjoyed tonights show. Weve gone over a lot of
treatment protocols, proteolytic enzymes, specific cancer
vaccines. We found what doctors would actually do personally if
they were diagnosed with a certain type of cancer. Great
information! I know that youve enjoyed it. Tomorrow nights show
you are going to love. Tomorrow is National Cancer Survivor Day.
And so the entire episode is dedicated to showing you what these
cancer survivors did to beat their cancer, their specific protocols.
Tomorrows episode is inspiring. its going to be educational and
its going to be a celebration of these peoples lives that are still
alive today because they implemented one of these natural cancer
treatments. You are not going to want to miss tomorrows show.
Thanks for tuning in tonight. Come back tomorrow. God bless.
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Dana: My name is Dana. I am 35-years-old and I began a journey with

cancer seven years ago when I was 28. At that time, I was 28, I had
been having very odd cravings for ice, unusually, unexplained cravings
for ice. I had so much going on that year between moving between
states, planning my wedding, building a house, and changing job
locations I attributed the craving for ice to stress. And about three weeks
before Christmas that same year I began not being able to keep food
down. Once again, I explained away this symptom and I explained it
away as not being able to eat what I used to eat simply because I was
getting older. What I didnt know at that time is that I had colon cancer. I
found out about this cancer on Christmas Eve in 2006. and I had
emergency surgery on Christmas morning to remove stage III colon
cancer that had not only attached to my colon but had ruptured into my
small intestines. The craving for ice came from being extremely anemic
due to the colon cancer growing inside my body. I had no idea that this

was happening to me at this time. I had no idea there was a reason for
even craving ice of this magnitude. We began a chemo regimen of six
months chemo treatment through a port-a-cath where I would have IV
treatments and I would have to go home with a little IV bag so I was
attached to chemo for three days at a time. I had been sick due to the
fact that my colon had completely closed off. And at 28-years-old no one
was looking for this. I had gone to doctors, I had gone to emergency
rooms, I kept being dismissed, being dismissed because of my age and
told that it was a stomach virus. When I was on Christmas break I went
to the emergency room because of getting sick one more time. I was
once again told this is just a stomach virus. You can go in and go home
and well take care of it later whenever you get back. Maybe its your
gallbladder. You can have your gallbladder taken out when you get back
home. I didnt believe that thats what was happening to me. And I
refused to leave the hospital.
The only test they could give me when I refused to leave was a CT
scan. And upon the CT scan reviews they found I had a large mass in
my colon and scheduled emergency surgery for Christmas day. On
Christmas morning I had the surgery and when I came to I was told that
I had stage III colon cancer that had ruptured from my colon into my
small intestines and had spread into lymph nodes. This is not what
anyone expects to hear at 28-years-old. I didnt have any history with
cancer myself. I really didnt have any knowledge about cancer, the
reason why it started so young. We did have a family history of it but no
one had ever had it at 28-years-old. So I began a chemo regimen. The
chemo was inserted through a port-a-cath in my chest and it was six
months worth of treatments. I would have treatments every two weeks
and I would have six hours worth of infusion in office and then I would
go home with a pack with more chemo that would continue for the next

48 hours. This went on for six months. And at the end of the six months
it was wonderful to have a scan and hear the news that I was cancer
free. Theres nothing like hearing that youre cancer free after a long
cancer battle. But of course, once you began the cancer battle you have
to continue having further testing to make sure that you remain healthy.
So six months after my testing, and I was told I was cancer free, I had
another scan. This time the scan came back that the cancer had
returned and it had returned in the lymph node between my neck and
my lower abdomen and it was spread throughout my body. Because the
cancer had returned and it was spread I was told I was stage IV. This
was right after my 30th birthday. So we once again began a separate
and a new chemo regimen. This time it was different treatments. This
time it was definitely more intense. And once again, the only focus was
getting me through treatment, getting me to eat food, hold food down,
and just survive the next six months, the same treatment as before. The
six months was much more challenging than my first round of chemo
the year before. At that time I was just going through the motions. I was
just doing what I had to do to survive.
The second time I was trying to simply live, live through the chemo. I did
lose my hair but hair comes back. I did have crazy changes from the
chemo treatment in my body. Chemo does some very, very unusual and
strange things to your body. All that goes away with time. I also had a
blood clot at this time. The blood clot almost killed me. It was my in
superior vena cava and my family was actually called in and told that I
might not survive through the night when this happened. I developed the
blood clot because of the port-o-cath that I was getting the chemo
treatments through. I did survive the blood clot as you can see. I was
told that at that time that no one survives blood clots that are the size of
a silver dollar. But for some reason I saw this one through. I continued
on with my chemo treatments, had another scan, so after two rounds
with colon cancer I was told that I was once again cancer free. And we
celebrated and felt this time weve really beat it. This time its done.
Later in that same year I had another PET scan just to confirm that the
cancer was gone. The PET scan came back clean. There was no signs
of cancer. Within just three weeks I myself noticed on my neck that I had
some enlarged lumps on my neck that I found very strange. So I told my
doctor about it and they said lets do another PET scan just to see what
we have going on here. This time the PET scan came back very
different than the first one. This time it came back showing that I had
between 10 to 15 tumors all throughout my abdomen and my neck that
the cancer was back full force, stronger than ever, and this time I was
told that I was terminal. No one wants to hear two days after you turn
31-years-old that you have terminal cancer. No one ever wants to hear it
no matter what your age is. I decided that all the approaches we had
taken before obviously werent working. Something had to change.
Something had to be different this time. I didnt want to insult my
oncologist at the time but I did tell her Im going to get multiple opinions.
And she encouraged me to do so. So I seeked out five other specialists,
five other oncologists, many in the local area. Some even at the Mayo
Clinic. Every single oncologist agreed that this was terminal cancer.
They all agreed that I would never be cancer free and that I had less
than a year to live. No one ever wants to hear that you have a timeline
put on your life especially not at 31-years-old.
So at this time my family and I began searching frantically. We decided

we were going to search for any information we could find that anyone
has tried, any usual treatments, anything that is out of the norm, even
holistic, we looked everywhere to decide what I wanted to do. At this
time my only options were to begin a new round of a much more
invasive chemo that was much more difficult to take than my first two
rounds of chemo. I also no longer had a port-o-cath at this time. It had
been removed due to the blood clots. So the chemo had to go straight
into my veins. I really wanted to consider is this how I wanted to go. Is
this is how I wanted to try to fight a battle this time. I decided to put off
the chemo as we did more research on our own. I figured I was losing
some time but I myself didnt feel like time was my biggest enemy at the
moment. I felt like we had been going about my treatment the entirely
wrong way. So as my family and I were doing research we came across
many ads for cancer cures, we came across much information that
worked for some people. The same thing didnt work for other people.
We really didnt know which way to turn. We didnt know what to take.
We didnt know what to believe.
One thing we did all do is read the book, Cancer Free by Bill
Henderson, which describes the battle that he went through with his wife
doing here cancer treatments. And it also is a very informal book of how
to find supplements, how to find other ways of treating your cancer even
in conjunction with treatment, with chemotherapy. It gives an entire
listing of supplements that people have tried and found effective in their
cancer treatments. I knew at this time that there was no way I could
afford all of these supplements. I had a limited amount of time. I didnt
have the ability to try all of these supplements in combination with my
chemotherapy. Some of them would interfere with chemo treatments,
some wouldnt. But before I started chemo I decided to focus on one
supplement in the book and order it to begin that supplement before I
even began chemo treatments. That supplement was called Beta-1-3D
Glucan. You take it very easily. For me in my case I take two pills every
morning when I wake up and I wait a half an hour before I eat breakfast
or any food. If you happen to wake up in the middle of the night you can
take your dosage then so as soon as you wake up you can eat and
theres no wait. Some people take more based on their weight. For
myself I stuck with two pills every morning. I didnt have any idea if this
supplement was helping me at all in the beginning. There wasnt
necessarily a way to measure it. What I did know is since I had put off
my chemo treatments at the time I was still having blood tests done and
the blood test, the CEA blood test count numbers were showing that it
was dropping even without chemo treatments. This was unexplained by
my oncologist. She had no idea why this number would drop before I
had even began chemo treatments.
We still went on to the chemo rounds. I was doing an IV chemo in

conjunction with a pill chemo. This process was very, very difficult. I was
having reactions. I was going into the hospital. The reaction was from
the chemo. My body had been through enough. It had decided that it
was no longer going to tolerate the chemo. I was having an allergic
reaction to the IV chemo. So I was taken off the IV and I stayed on the
pill version of the chemo only. Beta glucan was the only supplement I
was taking out of the normal realm of supplements. And we couldnt
necessarily relate that it was due to the dropping numbers, the dropping
CEA blood number counts but we didnt know what the cause was for it
before I began the chemo treatments.
Once I stopped the IV chemo treatments and I continued taking

betaglucan the numbers still continued to drop even though I was not on
a chemo that should remove cancer. So we decided to do a PET scan
after just six weeks of the IV chemo since I could no longer tolerate it.
The scan came back showing no signs of cancer. This was remarkable.
It was truly amazing. We had no idea how six oncologists could tell me
you will never be cancer free again. You will not survive this. And yet
with just six weeks on an IV chemo that my body couldnt even tolerate I
was somehow cancer free. This was glorious news, news that we
celebrated and celebrated. But I was told at the same time that I need to
stay on the chemo pill even though this chemo pill I was on was not
made to work alone. It was made to work in conjunction with an IV
chemo and there was no evidence scientifically that it would take away
cancer or control cancer.
So I stayed on this pill but I did have to drop my dosages over time. It
was becoming too strong for me so I ended up on a very extremely low
dosage of this pill. I stayed on this chemo pill for four years until my
doctors decided that there was no longer any evidence that the pill had
anything to do with my cancer not returning. To this day they cannot
explain what happened to my cancer, where it went, or why it is still
gone. They have no idea why I am cancer free at this point. The one
consistent item during all this time, during the last four and a half years
of being cancer free is my diet, which has been changed to a very

healthy diet. Its related to I believe my supplements that Ive been
taking. And I strongly believe its related to taking the Beta-1 3D Glucan.
Whenever newly diagnosed cancer patients talk to me about their
health, what they can do to change their health even in combination with
their chemo or radiation treatments, even in combination with their
surgeries, I tell them the number one item that I suggest is the Beta-1
3D Glucan. I found it locally.
It can be ordered out of the Marietta, Georgia office. It can also be

ordered online at BetterwayHealth.com. I prefer to buy local and it
worked out great for me in my case. I tell them exactly where to get it. I
tell them that its worth it. If you have a budget, if you have only so many
things you can do this is one thing that I believe will work for you. It
certainly helped me. The science couldnt explain why my cancer was
gone but we can take our health into our own hands. Theres so much
more that we can do for ourselves that we can manage for ourselves
and we never ever need to give up hope no matter what time limit even
if its weeks has been put on your diagnosis, never give up hope, never
think that its too late to take your health into your own hands and turn it
around.



Episode 7: How to Survive and Thrive
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Ty: Happy National Cancer Survivor Day. Now in yesterdays

episode we learned about what doctors would do and what doctors
are doing to treat cancer. But tonights episode, this is our final
episode and the quest for the cure is tonights episode. Youre
really going to enjoy it because were going to talk to cancer
patients that have treated their own cancer naturally and are alive
to tell the story. Not only are you going to be inspired but youre
going to be educated because you are going to learn what these
people have done, the specifics of their protocols. Youre going to
feel like youre part of their family. Theyre going to share personal
stories of how cancer affected their lives, effected the lives of their
family. And youre going to come out a better person for tuning in
tonight. Im glad youre here. Enjoy the show.
Chris Walsh
Ty: So Im here with Chris Walsh today. Were at the Center for
Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research, Dr. Rashid Buttars
office in North Carolina. Thanks for being with us here today Chris.
Chris Walsh: Its good to be here. Thanks for having me.
Ty: And were sitting in front of the fish. So tell me about the fish.
What do they remind you of?
Chris Walsh: It reminds me of being here four years ago when I started
my treatment here and I used to stare at them while I was waiting in the
waiting in the waiting room lost not knowing what my future was going to
be
Ty: Right.
Chris Walsh: .kind of diving into a whole new world of alternative

medicine and finding a way to help.
Ty: So you were here for what reason? You were here because
you had been diagnosed with what?

Chris Walsh: I had a Clarks level IV melanoma which was the

supposedly the work kind of melanoma in the deepest layer of the skin.
Ty: Skin cancer
Chris Walsh: Yes, skin cancer.
Ty: Okay.
Chris Walsh: That was four years ago almost today I was diagnosed
and from what we found out it hadit kind of had made its tentacles
inside of my leg. So they thought that I probably wouldnt have a leg
from here. And then obviously you know the conventional treatments
would have made it worse. I wouldnt have had a leg and Id probably be
dead now anyway, so. At that point I was really scrambling. And so I
went just kind of did as much research as I could. I actually went and
found your book, Cancer-Step Outside the Box, which really opened my
eyes to a lot of things. I mean I had no idea about any of this. I went and
bought Patrick Quillins book, Beating Cancer with Nutrition, started
following that immediately. And I saw Dr. Buttar speak at ahe had did
a little seminar at his old office and I didnt know what he did. But I
remember thinking that place seems really interesting. And so I called
my buddy up and I couldnt remember his name. and he said, oh, its Dr.
Buttar and I looked him up and he just so happens to treat cancer. So I
said I dont like my options now. I already talked to supposedly the best
guy in Cleveland and thats not what I was going to do. So I called Dr.
Buttar. I got a consultation and within the first 15 minutes I knew was
going to do it. I mean I didnt know anything about traditional or holistic
or alternative medicine. What he said to me just made so much sense. I

mean it just kind oflike why isnt everybody doing this? You know what
I mean? It seemed like such common sense to me but I guess its not.
Ive played golf professionally for the last ten years and so I was in the
sun every day and just lathering on sunscreen thinking that I was doing
myself a favor but since then Ive come to learn that thatI think that
was probably one of the causes of the skin cancer just bathing in those
chemicals every day. So I got to Dr. Buttars, they do all the tests. I
wasI had high levels of mercury, lead, barium, some just really
strange heavy metals. I have parasites. I have viruses. My immune
system was really weak. The strength in my immune system was weak.
I had amalgams in my mouth. I mean I was justI had a lot of mercury
which really disrupts the immune system.
Ty: So did he put you on a protocol to remove the mercury?
Chris Walsh: Yep, pretty serious detoxification. I went through

chelation therapy for 20 weeks. I was taking about a 100 supplements a
day to kind of rebalance everything. The terrain my body was pretty ripe
for cancer to grow rather than for health. So we had to change a lot of
those things. I had a lot of gut issues. The bacteria in my gut wasnt
working properly. It wasnt what it was supposed to be.
Ty: The good bacteria
Chris Walsh: The balance was way off.
Ty: Okay.
Chris Walsh: You know, I wasnt eating properly at the time. I

completely changed my diet. I completely changed, you know, using the
cook ware I use, the soap I use, the detergent, everything. I mean I
changed everything in my life fromyou know, everythings so toxic and
everything that most people use thats main stream is toxic and they all
lead to cancer. So I just changed everything.
Ty: And apparently it worked.
Chris Walsh: It worked wellyep.
Ty: Im seeing two legs.
Chris Walsh: I have two legs. Im feeling great. My healths never been
better. I never get sick. I mean I just feel totally different.
Ty: Thats awesome man!

Chris Walsh: Its been a good learning experience.
Ty: So the cancers completely gone now?
Chris Walsh: Completely gone, yep. My immune system is back

functioning perfectly. Im as healthy as a newborn baby I guess.
Ty: Thats awesome. And I know this isthe testing that hes done
now I know Dr. Buttars level of impeccable records. And so I know
that by talking to you here that hes done a test to show that
theres no cancer.
Chris Walsh: Absolutely!
Ty: That it cant be detected in the body.
Chris Walsh: Absolutely! We did the test when I started throughout the
protocol. And when I was done everything came back great, you know. I
was healthy. The metals were gone, the parasites, the viruses were
gone, my immune system and the immune function came back to
normal.
Ty: Which is so vital in treating cancer.
Ty: The immune system is actually what does the work.
Ty: The body kills the cancer.
Chris Walsh: A good doctor aids the immune system in fighting it off. I
mean you go and get radiation or chemotherapy and the cancer is gone,
the environment is still there for the cancer to grow. Your immune
system doesnt work. I mean itll come back. Thats what happens all the
time. It happened to both my parents unfortunately, so. Ive seen it.
Ty: Mine too.
Chris Walsh: Yeah, so.
Ty: Well, this is really encouraging Chris. Youre here four years
later.
Chris Walsh: Four years later.

Ty: You were told you wouldnt have six months or youd have a
leg missing.
Chris Walsh: Almost four years to the dayI mean its about four years
to the day.
Shannon Knight
Shannon Knight: In 2005 I found a lump under my left breast and it

scared me. You know, we are told to do breast exams when were in the
shower and I felt it. And I went to the doctors. And when I was seen in
the examining room and the doctor felt for the lump he said, well, you
have cystic breasts. And I said but this is different. This one is getting a
little bit bigger and its harder. And he said, well, I think your concern is a
little bit too much. You dont need to be worrying about this. Its probably
caffeine. You just need to cut back on caffeine. I said I only have a cup
a day of coffee. I said can we just biopsy it and test it and see what it is
or something? He goes, well, you have cystic breasts. Id have to biopsy
both breasts and youd look like Swiss cheese. Im not going to do it. So
I left feeling really embarrassed. I would say almost exactly a year later
it was the size of, like I said, a martini olive and I went in and waited.
They did biopsy it. And I got the news. And I got the phone call and they
said to bring a support person.
They wanted me to come in and have me talk to the doctor personally

face-to-face. They said to bring someone with me for support. And I just
knew. And it was a long drive. So when I got there there was no one in
the office except a nurse and a doctor. And I knew that there was
something wrong. They handed me a bottle of water. It had a pink label
on it, a ribbon. And I justI could already start feeling the blood leaving,
draining to my feet. I just didnt feel good and they told me it was cancer.
I had breast cancer. And they immediately sent me to another doctor.
And it was dark. It was night time. And I didnt understand. And I said,
well, can I make an appointment? They said no, we called them for you.
Hes waiting for you. So in that aspect I really appreciated the urgency
of rushing and getting me to the next doctor. I went there and he said
youre going to have to go and get a lumpectomy and pretty much this is
when everything started to change in my life.
So they wanted three types of chemotherapy, two intravenous through a

port, one by mouth. It was an estrogen positive cancer and bilateral
mastectomy and radiation. And I needed to hurry. There was a sense of

urgency. So my sister was with me and my boyfriend at the time was
with me. So I went ahead with the mastectomy and I had remembered
what my grandmother looked like when she was doing chemotherapy
and she lost a lot of weight. And I was terrified. And I just didnt want to
go through what she went through, losing all that weight and dying
eventually.
Ty: It sounds like they just threw almost everything including the
kitchen sink at you as far as recommended treatments.
Shannon Knight: They did. And I was in a hospital where I saw

patients in the waiting room and they were missing hair, they were
wearing scarves. They werethey looked like they were from a
concentration camp. It was terrifying.
Ty: You mentioned that they gave you, I think, a bottle of water
with pink on it. Whenwas it during breast cancer awareness
month, was it during October?
Shannon Knight: Yes. It was absolutely during October, Breast

Cancer Awareness Month and they gave meeverything was pink. The
pamphlets were pink. The wig book was pink. So I could start looking
wigs ahead of time preparing me to lose my hair, even the scarves if I
didnt want wigs. It was all these information packets. They gave me a
bag with a bunch of stuff in it, support groups pamphlets, everything. So
when I got through with the mastectomy thats when they were able to
tell me by taking the lymph nodes out that it had gotten into my lymph
nodes it was stage III. So they needed to do everything and they
needed me to do it fast. Well, I got a staph infection from the surgery

and this bought me time. And this is when I started researching.
Ty: Talk about the big three treatments, the radiation, chemo, and
therapy. I appreciate you being honest with your feelings about
breast cancer awareness month. I know thats a sensitive topic.
But talk about the big three treatments, the chemo, radiation, and
surgery. What is your take on those treatments?
Shannon Knight: Well, all three of those treatmentsI know that

radiation causes cancer. That never made sense to me. Surgery during
a time when youve got canceryou need your immune system. The
first thing that your body is going to do is all theall your antibodies,
everything that your body needs to fight the cancer is going to go to the
surgical site. So its going to weaken your immune system more for a
good period of time longer than six weeks. Its got to repair and restore.
So a mastectomy is not a simple treatment. Its a major surgery. And
youre at risk for infection. So thats not healing the body. When youre
sick with cancer the body wants to be healed plain and simple. We need
to start looking. How do we heal our body? Okay.
So chemotherapy isthe three that they were talking to me about

youre going to lose your hair, youre going to get sickI dont
understand how something thats going to make me sick is going to
ultimately keep me healthy. If its going to kill my cancer cells its
damaging my other cells. How am I going to come out on top of all of
this? Thats my big giant question mark. And why is everybody doing it?
I dont understand it. So I did go through with the mastectomy. I had my
family saying just do it, just do it, and that part I regret and Ive got my
own reason why. I don't know if its something thats been scientifically
research. Its just my own common sense, Shannon Knight common
sense. But I got cancer again. I never got that vitamin D checked out
and I never got to address it. And when youve got that vitamin D
deficiency youre still at risk. So I feel if I had left that mastectomy out
and hadnt done it the cancer would have had a harder time getting to
my ribs and getting to my lungs. And I could have just had a better
chance. Plus the scar tissue, theyre finding research that says scar
tissue can cause cancer. You know, I read that in January of 2014. So I
justif I had to do it all over again I wouldnt have done that surgery.
Ty: Now you talked about getting to your ribs and your lungs. So
are you saying that eventually the cancer spread to other organs?
Shannon Knight: Yeah.
Ty: Talk about that.

Shannon Knight: I went through that nightmare of getting diagnosed

with it again. I had a recurrence in July, the same month, of 2010. And
that was a difficult one too because I was misdiagnosed from October
all the way through JulyOctober 2009 to July of 2010 and Ive got the
medical records that show that they never gave me the scans but they
gave me the paperwork and said youve got costochondritis. Youve got
asthma. But they had done this CAT scan and never gave me the report
that said highly suspicious for metastatic breast cancer.
Ty: Really? So theythat was on the report but
Shannon Knight: They didnt give that to me.
Ty: they didnt give it to you.
Shannon Knight: They didnt give it to me.
Ty: And then did they tell you about it?
Shannon Knight: No. Never. And they gave me the other paperwork
that said youve got costochondritis and youve got asthma. Go back to
work, dont carry more than three to five pounds. I had to ask for that
paperwork and take it to my oncologist when the lump in the center of
my chest had advanced just so he could have my records. And when I
saw it, my mother was sitting next to me, and they said, oh my gosh, the
paperwork said it was suspicious of it. How could they not tell me? How
could they not say anything to me? Not one word was mentioned.
Ty: Now you mentioned that the cancer the second time it spread,
spread to your sternum, lungs
Shannon Knight: Sternum, all lobes of my lungs
Ty: What was the prognosis at that time and what did you do from
there?
Shannon Knight: Well, it had spread into my lungs and my lymph

nodes. We have other lymph nodes around this area so it was
underneath my collar bone in the bone, my ribs, behind my trachea. And
the doctor told my familywe were all sitting in infusion chairs. We had
an early appointment. My best friend flew out. And we had two
appointments. I had to meet with a radiation oncologist and with my
regular doctor. He was wonderful, very kind through everything, told me
when asked how long does she have to live. Everyone was concerned.
And he said, well, if she does treatment maybe a little bit longer but if
she doesnt three months, a year. Its an aggressive cancer.
Ty: So its not an encouraging prognosis at that point.
Shannon Knight: No, it was terrifying. And he wanted me to start

treatment. He was encouraging me to be sensible this time around, be
sensible.
Ty: And what exactly does that mean? What did that mean
according to him? What was being sensible?
Shannon Knight: Being sensiblethe first time when we met he said

that getting vitamin C and doing these other things was like, going to his
words exactly, the sunshine farm and laughed. He laughed. And thats
okay. I understand that theyre not learning about this in medical school.
So it probably is pretty funny to them. But I told him I didnt even want
the Tamoxifen and Im still not on it, so. And Ive been in remission two
and a half years. So I allowed radiation on one area because he did say
that this was so aggressive it was going to paralyze me. So lets try to
shrink this because thats not a good thing to happen either. Lets try to
shrink this. I made it through 22 rounds and I couldnt complete it. I
ended up with staph infection, pneumonia, and another thing I would like
to address is they call it cyber knife. And they say its only going to go to
one area. I ended up with a burn all the waylike the size of a football
across my chest and my back with blisters.
Ty: From cyber knife.
Shannon Knight: Uh-huh
Ty: Ive heard of that before but I have not heard of that side effect
from it.
Shannon Knight: Its horrible. So it burns and I have scars on my

lungs from it. And they say that your lungs are protected. They make
this lead plate that goes in aboveyoure laying down and it goes in
above you and so they can direct the beams. And you can see the
beams. Its supposed to hit different areas. And it looks like it would only
hit those areas but everybodys running from the radiation room so
theres got to be a reason. So it got worse. My cancer got worse and
after we quit the radiation it was really sad. Thats when he said unless I
do one of the treatments hes recommending theres nothing else he
can do. And its spreading, so I went to the beach that day and I just
thats when angels for Shannon came into my mind. I wanted to live. I
wanted other patients. I wanted to do the healthier treatments and I
wanted other patients to have that opportunity. I prayed to God to let me
live and let me beat this the natural way.

Ty: What natural treatments did you choose at this point where the
doctor said its pretty hopeless?
Shannon Knight: Yeah. Well, when it was hopeless I saw, well, your
book for sure had a lot of different treatments in there. And my sister
found a place for me that had all of those treatments combined in one.
And she told me about it, New Hope Unlimited. And we had to raise
money. I said this is where I want to go. And the hospital was in Mexico
in San Luis and it was safe. It wasnt in where the drug cartel were. You
know everybodys afraid of Mexico. But the treatments were
phenomenal. It wastheres a list so Im going to let you know what
they were. It was high dose vitamin C intravenous. It was laetrile
intravenous. It was ozone therapy. It was dendritic cell therapy. It wad
dendritic cell cancer vaccine made with your own blood. It was
hyperthermia. It was hyperbaric chamber. It was treatments that are
going to boost your immune system, the thymus gland, magnetic
therapy, bio feedback . Weve all heard of rife. Theres SCIO, which I did
with my friend Cindy Jones. Quantum physics is big. We all need to be
taking a look at that. We have energy within our body and we cant
ignore that and we need to balance that too. So its a compilation of
things and it was a very comprehensive treatment program that I did. I
got my treatment in February of 2011 and I was symptom free. You
know when itsit had infiltrated my air passages and thats like a knife.
So I was symptom free in August, late August, and I got it confirmed
with a PET scan in October. So I can say it took six months.
Yeah. I had people saying that my eyes look clear. You dont look like
youve got stage IV cancer. In fact, there were rumors going around, two
rumors in one week when I was in remission, one, she never had
cancer, someone that went to my high school, good old Facebook,
okay, went around. And the other rumor shes not in remission. Its
impossible.
Ty: What did your oncologist say when he saw the new scans, the
new results?
Shannon Knight: He was very happy and he asked my permission to

have my medical records to take to show to his colleagues. And of
course, I said yeah, take them. He was very happy. He said I wish I had
done some treatment on you so I could take the credit. He was being
silly. Hes a good man.
Ty: He sounds like a good man.
Shannon Knight: Yeah. I like him. I cant wait to show him when Im in
three years remission so I can walk in there give him a hug.
Ty: Now you mentioned stage IV, did thisthe cancer eventually
was stage IV.
Shannon Knight: Yeah.
Ty: Okay.
Shannon Knight: Stage IV, its was scary. My family was preparing for
me to die. My kids were crying and calling me scared, not my son. Hes
tough, a paramedic but my daughter was.
Ty: Shes not crying anymore.
Shannon Knight: No. And both my kids definitely believe now which
makes me feel good because I want them to know there is another way.
This is not a time to be afraid. Im not afraid of cancer anymore.
Kevin & Cortney Campbell
Cortney Campbell: In 2008 when I was 26 we had been married for

almost three months I was diagnosed with nodular lymphocyte
predominant Hodgkins lymphoma stage II. I had a mass in my armpit
and another in my neck. And yeah, it was definitely a time where I was
very afraid and after they gave us our initial protocol that they were
going to suggest, which was six rounds of chemo and radiation to follow

that. And they removed the lymph node, the largest one which is about
the size of a lemon from my armpit.
Kevin Campbell: She went in and she got the lymph node removed
and it came back after
Cortney Campbell: Two weeks
Kevin Campbell: ...we went to several different hospitals because they

couldnt quite figure out whatthey knew it was cancer but they couldnt
pin point exactly what kind of cancer it was. And so after about three
weeks of waiting and then hoping that it was something else, somehow
something else, it came back. And.
Cortney Campbell: And it was a very rare cancer and they werent
quite sure how to treat it because it wasone doctor said the extreme
chemo, another doctor said, well, we might be able to give you a
monoclonal antibody called Rituxan and see how you do first. And then
if it doesnt respond then maybe well go towards theour top chemo,
which was what the first doctor suggested.
Kevin Campbell: Yes and then see, of course, being a newlywed

family and facing cancer youre up for the most non-toxic route possible.
So for us we were keeping our fingers crossed that there was some sort
of clinical trial or some other option that we could pursue. And after it
came back positive for stage IIA or B. I cant even remember now.
Cortney Campbell: A
Kevin Campbell: Aso we were given the tour of the hospital. We

were in getting sort of the amenities of the chemotherapy suite like we
had just
Cortney Campbell: The wig shop
Kevin Campbell: Yeah. And this was all very quick. It was very quick.
Cortney Campbell: The plush recliners and the view of the forest.
Kevin Campbell: Uh-huh, the upper level sort of penthouse view of the
nice forests of Atlanta and
Cortney Campbell: But when youre walking through that chemo room
and theres these people receiving their chemotherapy you dont see the
forest and the plush chairs and the personal television

Kevin Campbell: Youre having this sort of out of body experience.
Cortney Campbell: Yeah. You see these sick, sick, sick people
Kevin Campbell: And people that just almost look like a shell or a
ghost of themselves. And your mind is just beside itself and in the midst
of all the chaos as we were going through this room, and again, this is
only, what, our third appointment.
Cortney Campbell: Uh-huh, yeah, something like that.
Kevin Campbell: She was in front of me and I waswe were both

getting the tour and I just remember sitting there just having this crazy,
this cannot be happening to us. What are we going to do? All this sort of
panicky thoughts like one moment at a time, one breath at a time.
Cortney Campbell: Right, this is right after they had told us about the
30 to 70 percent chance of infertility because of the RCHOP which is a
very, very harsh chemotherapy.
Kevin Campbell: Well, our doctor, our oncologist, his residency was
it
Cortney Campbell: At MD Anderson
Kevin Campbell: Was it at MD Anderson?
Cortney Campbell: Yeah
Kevin Campbell: I don't know if thats what its called residency
Cortney Campbell: And they were the ones to say
Kevin Campbell: He wasyeah, he had not had a lot of experience

with this type of cancer so he referred his colleagues back at MD
Anderson and so the best recommendation from one of the best cancer
hospitals in the world came backchemo, radiation, surgery. So
Cortney Campbell: And because of thatthey gave us that 30 to 70

percent chance, giant window, of infertility he actually referred us
Kevin Campbell: Right, he was like your hair is going to fall out, your
nails are going tohow about your stomach is going to have all these
issues, and by the way, your ovaries will shut down. But dont worry,
theres a

Cortney Campbell: They may or may not. Your fertility may or may not
return and they wanted to refer us to a fertility specialist to get eggs
frozen or embryos frozen which we were likeI mean were getting all
thiswere having to make all these decisions. Were newlyweds.
Kevin Campbell: So in the midst of all of that we immediately were

whisked away to the chemotherapy suite tour and I just remember this
the best I can describe it is, its almost like a voice but it was Stephen
Furtick describes it, if youve ever heard the voice of God it doesnt
sound like a voice. And that mayI know it sounds totally crazy when
somebody hears that. But this is the truth. It was an unshakeable
impression that came through my left ear, perpendicular to the thoughts
I was having, this is what my likelike this is what my mind was doing,
and then the most calm simplistic statement came into my head from
this sort of 90-degrees offset and said this is not for you.
Cortney Campbell: While we were in the chemo room.
Kevin Campbell: And it was so just confident, calm, short, this is not
for you.
Cortney Campbell: We came home and after calling relatives and I

what I cried the most over and the only thing I lost sleep about through
this whole ordeal was I felt like I was mourning the children I never had.
And I cant explain it except for those words. I justthere were these
children that I hadnt had yet that I wasin my heart I knew I was
supposed to have but I had this huge barrier and this huge wall. And I
keptevery time Id say lets just go make the appointment. And at that
point we had the appointment to get the port put in. And I justI was
more afraid of the treatment than I was of the actual cancer.
Kevin Campbell: I remember I found a video online while researching

clinical trials and, of course, I started at MD Anderson because theyre
supposed to be the best, right. So I found a video of the director of
clinical trials or the head, the guy whos over. I dont remember he was
the director or head researcher or what but he was in charge of that. His
name was Dr. Anas Younes. And he was on video stating at the end of
one of these videos about MD Anderson and their trials. He was at the
end of it talking in his office about how he believes strongly in clinical
trials because he believes that in 10 years from now were going to
and this was in like 2006 they made this video but 10 years from now
were going to regard chemotherapy as a barbaric form of treatment.
Periodically she would just have these emotional outbursts where she
would just want to do the chemo and want to get.

Cortney Campbell: Just get it out of me. I just want it out of me. Its
like a scene from Aliens or something. I just didnt know any better. I
thought it was just this one place. Cancers only here
Kevin Campbell: The cancers inside of her and we just want to get it
out.
Cortney Campbell: Yeah, just get it out of me.
Kevin Campbell: And that was not
Cortney Campbell: Thats not reality.
Kevin Campbell: Thats not reality. Its not an option. And being highly
sensitive as it is Cortneys the sweetest person in the world and so now
shes got this cancer and so her emotions are running high. Im like
buckling down. Shes going more into an emotional state and Im going
more into the Im going to be the
Cortney Campbell: The protector
Kevin Campbell: the protector and the
Cortney Campbell: and save her.
Kevin Campbell: Yeah and just do my part to logically make sure this
doesntanyway. So yeah, I just remember it was some really hard
times and family didnt understand and we were trying to
Cortney Campbell: Oh yeah, that was hard.
Kevin Campbell: come up quickly with answers to the questions that

we didnt know the answers to.
Cortney Campbell: Why were you notwhy are you not already going
through treatment. Its been three weeks or its been four weeks or its
beenit eventually became six weeks orand on and on from there.
The real turning point for me was one day I got home and Bill
Hendersons book arrived at the door and I actually started fishing
through it.
Kevin Campbell: What was it called?
Cortney Campbell: Its called Cancer Free; Your Guide to Gentle Non-
Toxic Healing. And it just made sense to me. It was just like a meant to
be kind of thing because it was simply written. It was in simple terms
and he also lays out a protocol in it. And I actually read through it in
probably two or three days and I decided that I was going to give itI
don't knowI think I decided three months. Ill give this three months
and Im going to try it and Im going to hard core. And if anyone knows
me I go hard core on things if I put my mind to it. I accomplish it whether
its running or natural child birth or a cancer treatment. And soor
whether its eating. And this wasit was a huge change for me because
I ate diet coke and Cheez-its. Im not joking. I didnt eat salads. I didnt
eat vegetables. Bill recommended a completely organic raw vegan diet
with the Budwig protocol which is the cottage cheese, flax seed oil, and
quite a few supplements, betaglucan and vitamin C and green tea
extract and a complete multivitamin that was more pills than I ever took
in probably my whole life. It just seemed like every day I was taking I
think 26 supplements in the morning, and 16 at lunch, and 26 at night. It
was just crazy how much I ended up taking.
Kevin Campbell: And we were going to a local
Cortney Campbell: SCIT and
Kevin Campbell: Yep SCIT. And were going to a local practice here
that ishas almost like an alternative or integrated approach to
treatments for different things including cancer. And were seeing a
doctor there who spent, I don't know, an hour and a half with us. And it
was in the lobby of that office that we found a natural awakenings
magazine which led us to a raw and living foods institute here in Atlanta
called the Living Foods Institute. And we went there and did a 12 day
detox program and learned a lot
Cortney Campbell: Met a lot of people who were of the similar belief
Kevin Campbell: of people and it was justit was one of those

blessings along the way for us. And in the aisles of Whole Foods where
we had begun shopping exclusively for nutrient dense foods and organic
foods and so forth. We would meet people whos stories would just
come out as we were talking to them in the aisle about having their
brother or their cousin that cured themselves of stomach cancer or
whatever form of cancer, etc. And it was just like God kept just giving us
these reassurances a lot the way that we were doing the right thing and
that were going to be okay.
Cortney Campbell: About four months after I started my protocol, my

anticancer protocol, I found out I was pregnant. And I felt honestly a little
irresponsible because cancer
Kevin Campbell: It was a big deal.

Cortney Campbell: and pregnancy dont really blend.
Kevin Campbell: I was like we just gotten sort of our minds wrapped
around this whole situation with cancer and now we found out were
pregnant. And you know, it was one of those things of having peace in
the chaos. I mean it was just like, okay, heres this situation we were
told we wouldnt get to be in or to enjoy and now here it, you know.
Cortney Campbell: Yeah. And so after the morning sicknessthat

was very challengingpassed I really stayed a 100 percent on my
protocol.
Kevin Campbell: With the addition of some crackers.
Cortney Campbell: With the addition of lots of saltines. I reallyI lived

for about three or four weeks on saltorganic saltines, almond butter
and apples because I just couldnt anything else down. But on May 4th it
was exactly six months. I was diagnosed on Novemberor I started my
alternative protocol on November 4th and on May 4th I found out I was in
clinical remission from the cancer. And five months later or six months
later our daughter was born perfectly healthy and eats better than any
child I know because thats all shes known is vegetables and more
vegetables and juice and smoothies and vegetable juice and smoothies.
And here we are five years later weve actually had another daughter.
Kevin Campbell: Oh yeah.
Cortney Campbell: So shes a year old now, so. Were very blessed
and I just want to shout to the rooftops that this should definitely be part
of anybodys just to consider and to research and to research into there
are other options besides chemotherapy and radiation. And you have to
go where you find that peace. And dont act out of fear.
Dr. Roby Mitchell, MD
Ty: If you could tell us a little bit about your personal experience.
You mentioned prostate cancer. What did you do to treat your own
cancer?
Dr. Roby Mitchell: So I had been vigilant about prostate cancer

because my dad had prostate cancer. And I saw what he went through.
So he had the prostatectomy And I saw the results of that. So I started
evaluating or started being vigilant about my PSA as most men should

around aboutwell, probably in my 40s, mid 40s. And so I would go
every year and have aI did a rectal exam, again, as all men should
and a PSA. At around age 49, I think I saw my PSA go from one point
something up to three point something, right, which was a fairly dramatic
increase. And that got my attention. So I didnt do anything initially but
then when I went the next year it had gone up to four. and four is kind of
the cutoff point in conventional medicine for when you need to do
something, so kind of thewhat I now call the boiling point.
So in medicine we treat boiling points, right. So Ill give you this little
analogy that if you were to take a pot of cold water and put it on the
stove and then stick your hand in it, and then turn the heat on high, at
some point you would take your hand out of that water because its
getting so hot, right. And that may be a 130 degrees, it may be a 140
degrees depending on your pain tolerance. One you take your hand out
of that water and it stays under there once it gets to 212 degrees, right,
if were talking about solute-free water at sea level then at 212 degrees
its going to boil, right. Now if you stick your hand in that water at 212
degrees, right, youre going to get burned, right. If you stick your hand in
there at 211 degrees its going to burn, 210 or 200. So its not a good
idea to wait till the boiling point, right, to make that an actionable time for
you to intervene. But thats what we do in conventional medicine, right.
So youthat waters getting hotter and hotter and hotter here and your
A1C gets up to 5.7 or 6.0 or whatever the number is and thats the
boiling point. Now all of a sudden you had diabetes, right. Lets say your
hemoglobin A1C is at 6.0. Well, what were you at 5.9, right? You
werent boiling but you were still hot enough that youre getting burnt,

right. The same thing with high blood pressure. So with the PSA the
boiling point is four, right. So thats when they say you need to get a
biopsy or whatever. Well, what was it at 3.9, right? We should be
looking or investigating why PSAs are elevating when they get anything
above 2.0, right, so above 2.0 youve either got some type of infection or
you haveor you got cancer, right, if you havent had trauma or some
of these other things. So when it got to a 4.0 I approach actually one of
my instructors hereyou know, Ive lived here, I went to medical school
here, finished up medical school here in Amarillo so I know many of the
doctors and many of them had been my teachers in medical school. And
Mike Wilkerson is a local urologist that I had studied under, really good
guy. So I went to him. And I was only 50-years-old and very good
looking. And so its hard to believe looking at me that Ive got cancer. So
he didnt believe that I had cancer and told me most likely this was an
infection, you know. Lets take some antibiotics and then well check it
again. And so I went with his recommendation and we did that and the
number had went up. And so I said, Mike, I think its time for us to do a
biopsy. He agreed. And there was cancer and there was, not just
cancer, I mean it was widespread cancer as youll see on the
documentation.
So I had taken care of my mother. She had been diagnosed with colon
cancer back in 2000 and we did the natural immune boosting therapies
on here. They had given her six months to live and she lived for six
years. And so I started doing the same thing with myself. At this time I
was headed on my way actually up to be with Dr. Jonathan Wright to
work with him in the clinic up there in Renton, Washington. And so he
and I put our heads togetherwere able to put our heads together and
to start to do some things in order to boost the one, boost up the
immune system, two, maybe to kill off some of the cells because there
will be some cells that refuse to change. And so we started doing those
things. And you know, made the numbers come down. One of the things
that we did out thereI was able to do it out there because of the laws
out there, medical marijuana is legal. So we did the medical marijuana,
we did high dose vitamin D. We did this immune therapy called the
universal oral vaccine, of course, the diet was very important so did the
juicing and away from any kind of grains, sugars, and that type of thing.
And you know, and I saw that I had symptoms that let me know that my
cancer had progressed. So I saw those symptoms reverse.
But it really had gotten up to a point, you know, where I had said my
good-byes to everybody and let people know that this is were in kind of
in a no win situation here. But then things turned around and long story
short, you know, went and had a repeat PET scan here back in, I guess,
November that well be able to get a shot of also that, again, showed no
cancer, so. And Ive done this with person after person after person if
they are willing to do what it takes to get off this toxic diet, right. Thats
usually kind of the stumbling block for a lot of people. Theyre just so
addicted to the sugar and the wheat and so forth. You know, they just
cant get off of it. But when people do we certainly do see, again, a
reversal of his pleomorphism and cancers not there anymore. I mean
the cells are still there but they have just chosen that they dont need to
be cancer cells anymore.
Stage IV Pancreatic Cancer Survivor

32 Years
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: Arlene, I can use her name because shes a
good friend. In fact, she called today. She saidI got to give her a call.
Arlene Van Stratton, she was one of Kellys great patients. I now follow
here. 1982, Appleton, Wisconsin, typical American success story. She
and her husband ran a gas station seven days a week, worked their tail
feathers off, added a store to it, they were later bought out by a big
chain and becamethey were able to putlets put it this way, they put
their kids and their grandkids through college. She starts getting
gallbladder pain. Her doctors says, you got a gallbladder problem. This
is 1982 before theyd routinely do CAT scans. They take her to surgery
and take out her gallbladder.
Okay. Well, shes got a tumor in her pancreas, tumor in the liver. The
biopsy of the liver lesion its adenocarcinoma, metastatic pancreatic,
close her up, meets with her oncologist. Chemo was going to do nothing
to this in 1982, still does nothing today in 2014. Goes to the Mayo Clinic,
and I have the note from the Mayo Clinic guy who said Im not going to
give you chemo. Itll just ruin your quality of life. Enjoy your life. Well,
she went to the best of the best. They said they cant do anything. She
learns about Kelly from his 32-page book, One Answer to Cancer, 1969.
Kelly goes, well, I trained this chiropractor locally, he trained some
people, who does it really well. Hes near your town. Why dont you go
see him? She does. Under Kellys direction goes onto the program.
Well, she never went back to another doctor. Here it is 2014 and shes
alive and well. Interestingly enough, paradoxically, ironically, today she
called so she wants to chat. Usually its about her family.
Shes 32 years out. In August itll be 32 yearsstage IV pancreatic

cancer, biopsy proven liver metastases confirmed at the Mayo Clinic. To
put it in perspective and to give Kelly his credit, I knowand I search

the literature religiously, I know of no patient in the history of medicine

with stage IV pancreatic cancer, adenocarcinoma, the worst kind, biopsy
proven liver metastases confirmed at the Mayo Clinic, no, not some
local hospital in Guatemala but by the Mayo Clinic whos alive 32 years
later. Ive never found a case like that. Ive challenged doctors at
conferences when I lecture to match it and theyve been unable to do it.
Ty: 32 years
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: 32 years, August 1982 she was diagnosed

stage IV pancreatic cancer
Ty: Pancreatic cancer
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: alive 32 years late. Now technically I cannot

say the tumors went away because shes refused to do the scans for 32
years.
Ty: But shes alive.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: Shes alive, yeah. thats all you need to know.
You dont need to do anything else. The average survival for stage IV
cancer, pancreatic cancer, in those days and today is like three, to four,
five months. Nobody lives beyond about 18 months with that kind of
disease once its in the liver.
Ty: Right. And this is 32 years.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: 32 years later. Now if she had been a

conventional patient and treated at a conventional institution the
American Cancer Society would have held a press conference. It would
have been on the cover of Time Magazine
Ty: Oh yeah.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: All the news storiesI remember about 10

years ago there was one of these new chemo drugs that was being
touted in a group at Harvard that were pushing it. They ended up on
Good Morning America and ABC, CBS, all the morning shows. One
patient who had a regression of disease at six months and she got all
eightthe patient was being like a show horse being shown around on
all the TV shows. Well, that drug was later taken off the market because
it did absolutely nothing. But that didnt stop the Harvard team fromno,
they have a good publicity machine and theyre Harvard Medical School.
So if they have a Chihuahua that lives two months longer they get on
national TV. We have a patient with stage IV pancreatic cancer and they
challenge anyone who watches this to match the case. Critics can
criticize. Criticism is easy. Any critic out there matched the case. Ill be
impressed.
Ty: 32 years.
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: Yeah.
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers
Ty: Could you please share with us your own breast cancer
conqueror story?
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: Well, fast forward, I had been in practice

24 years and a typical morning, rushing to the office, jump in the
shower, and I felt a lump on my left breast. And I knew innately at that
point it wasnt fibrocystic. It was an unhealthy lump. So I had it
diagnosed with unconventional methods and it was diagnosed as breast
cancer. I had seen in my practice that patients who chose traditional
methods of cut, poison, burn, didnt fare well at all. I mean they suffered
so much from the side effects from those treatments and many of them
died as a result of the treatments, not so much the cancer. And on the
flip side I saw patients who were using gentler methods of healing
following the anticancer protocols that I was recommending. And they
were getting amazing results. So there was no doubt in my mind what I
was going to do and which path I was going to follow. So my protocol
consisted of specific homeopathic remedies, herbal tinctures to weaken
the cancer, to boost the immune system, proteolytic enzymes, some
dietary changes, some detoxification, colonics, those sorts of things.
And I also used a paste or a salve on my breast to help the body expel
the tumor. In the paste theres an herb called blood root and blood root
had an alkaloid or a plant compound called sanguinarine and that
particular compound goes after cancer cells and kills cancer cells
without touching healthy tissue or healthy cells. So you can actually take
blood root internally or you can apply it superficially to very superficial
tumors like skin cancers and breast cancers and that sort of thing.
So my journey lasted from 2004 through 2006. And Ive been happy and
healthy ever since. But as I was going through that journey there was
one thing that was gnawing in my gut is was why would somebody like
me develop breast cancer? I had done everything right. I was under
chiropractic care. I was eating organic before organic was in style. I had
home births, breast fed all my children. I had massage, I exercised, I ate
well. I thought I was doing everything right. But as I started studying
more and researching more I realized that there were some components
that I was missing. And thats what led me to create what I call the
seven essentials or seven basic steps that if people follow they never
have to fear cancer again.
Chris Wark
Chris Wark: Well, I was 26, okay, so I was a newlywed, been married
two years. I was working in the real estate business buying a rental
property and renovating houses. And I had been doing that just a couple
years. So you know, I really had just kind of felt like I was just being an
adult, you know what I mean, like out of college a couple years, working,
newlywed. And I started having abdominal pain.
Ty: And this was what year?
Chris Wark: This was 2003.
Ty: Okay.

Chris Wark: And I thought I had an ulcer. You know, Id never had any
illness before, never had any majorthe flu when I was a kid or
something but nothing major. And I thought, I don't know, is this an
ulcer? Like whats going on? And I had this pain that would come and
go and it was kind of like Ground Hog Day because every morning I
would wake up and Id immediately think like how do I feel? And Id be
like, oh, I feel good. Okay. No pain. And then Id go throughout the day
but then I would get these twinges of pain, you know, most days and Id
be like, oh, there is it again. And then Id go to sleep, kind of worried
about it, and then Id wake up and, well, no pain, right. And so that kind
of went on for many months. And I kept thinking maybe my body would
get better because my body had always healed in the past and I believe
that that body is designed to heal.
And sobut the problem was I didnt make any changes in my life, right.
I didnt understand cancer at the time and so I just kept living my life the
way I was living it which was in a very unhealthy way. And this pain got
worse and worse and eventually I went to a doctor and they thought I
had an ulcer and gave me some medication that didnt help. And then
Ithrough a series of doctors appointments eventually ended up at a
gastroenterologist who did a colonosciopy and found a golf ball size
tumor in my large intestine. And you know, I came out of the procedure.
They had put me under and I woke up. And you know, I was still
medicated. You know, it was like where am I? Whats happening? And
the doctor came in and he washe basically said, you know, we found
this tumor. You might have cancer. We have to send it to the lab. And
my wife started crying on the nurses shoulder and I was just like what
whats going on? That wasnt even
Ty: You were at that time how old were you?
Chris Wark: I was 26.
Ty: 26-years-old.
Chris Wark: And so at that moment I wasnt even sober, you know
what I mean. So it didnt even really make sense. It just felt like a dream
that I didnt understand. But a couple days later I got the call from the
doctor and he said, listen, you know the lab report came back. You have
colon cancer. And so that was heavy. And you know, thats kind of when
my life came to a grinding halt. You know they took out the tumor. They
took out a bunch of lymph nodes. The surgeon said, look, I took out
everything I could see. We got clear margins but youre going to need to
nine to twelve months of chemotherapy. But there were a few things that
happened in the hospital that were very serendipitous that really started

the wheels turning. And one of them was the first meal that they served
me.
Ty: And this is after you wereafter your operation.
Chris Wark: After my operation
Ty: Okay, where they had removed 18 inches.
Chris Wark: Yes. They cut out 18 inches of my large intestine18

centimeters.
Ty: 18 centimeters
Chris Wark: A third, right, and the first meal they served me was this
sloppy Joe. And Im kind of famous for the sloppy Joe story because its
the most ridiculous food that you could serve a sick person, right. Its the
best example of the worst cafeteria food, you know what I mean? What
is the worst cafeteria food you can think of? Its a sloppy Joe. And thats
what they gave me first meal after cutting my abdomen open and
removing part of my guts. And they set it front of me and I was just
looking at it going this doesnt seem like the best thing for me right now.
Ty: Just innately you knew.
Chris Wark: Yeah, right. I mean I wouldnt even eat thatI wouldnt
want to eat that any time. Okay. It wasIm never in the mood for a
sloppy Joe. And so not only was I not really happy about that as a food
choice but I just thought like this is like a hospital. This is like full of sick
people. Shouldnt we be feeding them better than this? Like shouldnt I
be eating like some applesauce or something. You know, I eatand at
that time I really didnt know anything about nutrition but just my
instincts, the red flag kind of went up. The next thing that happened was
the day I was checking out from the hospital the surgeon came in to
check on me and I said, hey, you know, is there anything I need to eat
or avoid or whatever? Andbecause I was a little concerned. I didnt
want to go home and like eat something like some Doritos and like
screw it up. And he was like, nah, just dont lift anything heavier than a
beer.
Ty: That was the nutritional advice you got?
Chris Wark: Yep. That was it. And so I reluctantly agreed to go see an
oncologist. And we go in thewere sitting in the clinic in Memphis.
Well, first of all, the parking lots packed. You couldnt even get a parking
place. And the waiting room is packed. I sit down. Im looking around
and theres no one in there even remotely near my age. Im 26. I got
long, shaggy hair, a handle bar mustache like rock dude and Im just
kind of checking it out. And who else is in the cancer club. It was me
and a bunch of seniors, senior citizens, not high school or college
seniors. And I just thought, God, I dont belong here. The television was
on and out comes Jack Lalanne right as Im sitting in the cancer clinic
couch and he starts going off about nutrition and fruits and vegetables
and the reason were sick is because were all eating junk food, right.
And you needif man made it dont eat it. And I was like, oh man, hes
just speaking to me through the television right now. Like this is
exactlyhes reaffirming everything that I had just started to
understand. And we go into see the oncologist finally. You know, its like
you wait in a waiting room for an hour and then they put you in a smaller
waiting room for another hour. And then you get in another little room.
Eventually the oncologist comes in. It was just very robotic. You know,
they see 20 patients, 30 40 patients a day and he just comes in and
he looked at my chart Im sure for two minutes. Whats this guy got.
Comes in and gives me the standard pitch. He said look, you know,
youve got stage II colon cancer. You havewith therapies you have a
60 percent chance of living five years. And I thought
Ty: At the age of the 26
Chris Wark: Yeah
Ty: what did you think of those odds?
Chris Wark: Yeah, I mean I was not impressed by those odds. And I
thought, gee, thats not much better than a coin toss.
Ty: Thats true.
Chris Wark: You know, just
Ty: 50/50
Chris Wark: not much. And I asked him if there were any alternative
therapies available. And he said, No. There are none. If you dont
chemotherapy youre insane.
Ty: He literally said youre insane.
Chris Wark: Yeah. Yep. I asked him about the raw food diet, he said,
no you cant do that itll fight the chemo.

Ty: Why would it fight the chemo?
Chris Wark: At the time I was like, what does that mean? Well, later I
realizedI found out that the raw food diet is a very aggressive
detoxification diet. And when youre on a raw food diet your body starts
kicking out chemotherapy and it doesnt do what they want it to do. It
doesnt destroy your body. And it doesnt do the damage they want it to
do. And so they dont want you to be on a raw food diet. The other
reason is because chemotherapy is also very destructive on your
immune system and bacteria thats normally harmless on an apple, lets
say. Could pose a potential problem in your body because your immune
system is so weak from chemo. So they wont let youthey dont want
you to do raw food. I was already on the raw food diet. Id been on it for
a week. I was like hard core. I just adopted it, right. I was excited about
it. I felt going into the clinic I felt very confident about what I was doing.
And everything else hes told me, everything else the oncologist said to
me is really a blur because he really scared me so bad that I kind of
shut down. And I walked into the clinic confident and I walked out
terrified. And I went to the desk and I made an appointment to get a port
put in to start chemotherapy. And my wife and I walked out into the
parking lot and we sat in her car and we held hands, and we cried and
we prayed, and we were just terrified. And I believe that was on a Friday
because I had a few days before they were supposed to put this port in.
I think it might have been like on Monday or Tuesday or something.
Ty: And when you say a port thatstheyre putting in a port so

they canthey dont have to inject you with chemo. They can just
put it directly into the port each time.
Chris Wark: Thats right. They put a port in your chest. Its basically a
direct line into your arteries or whatever, your veins or arteries, so they
canits easier than giving you a
Ty: An IV
Chris Wark: It destroys your veins so a port is a better way to do it

because chemotherapy is so toxic that it destroys your veins. So yeah.
they just scared me so bad that I agreed to chemotherapy even though I
had originally decided not to. Andbut over that weekend I kind of
came to my senses again and I thought about my life and I thought
about this book and I thought about Jack LaLanne and I thought about
the weird stuff the oncologist said to me. One other thing he said, I
forgot, he said, and sort of in the middle of his pitch, he said, look man.
Hes like, look, and Im not telling you this because I need your
business. And I just thought why in the world would you say that? What
does business have to do with it, right? And then I realized wait a
minute, this is a business. This is his business. He needs patients to

make money.
Ty: And this is the same oncologist that told you were insane if
you didnt do chemo.
Chris Wark: Thats right, the same guy.
Ty: Okay.
Chris Wark: And it was like a Freudian slip. You know what I mean?
Either that or it was the push away which is a sales technique. And
where you kind of give someone like I dont really need your business
and it kind of makes them want to do business with you. You know what
I mean?
Ty: Yeah
Chris Wark: Andbut I thought about everything and I thought, you

know what, nutrition makes more sense to me. I would rather overdose
on nutrition and give my body everything that it can use to repair and
regenerate and detoxify and heal and trust God to lead me in the
process than let someone who doesnt even know me at all, probably
has already forgotten my name, poison me, and experiment on me with
a 60 percent chance of living five years. I found out later that he was
lying. What he told me was that I had a 60 percent chance of living five
years. But thats the average for all cancer patients. So if take every
cancer patient lump them in one group and average it out you get 60
percent of them make it to the five year mark. It doesnt mean theyre
cancer free in five years. It just means they have a beating heart. Some
of them are on life support, right. Some of them are knock, knock,
knocking on heavens door. They are dying. But they still are counted as
a success toward five year survival. Well, the odds for stage III colon
cancer, stage IIIC were about 30 percent make it to five years and only
16 percent make it 10 years.
Ty: Wow! So
Chris Wark: Here I am10 years without their therapies.
Ty: Okay. So 10 years out and cancer free withoutand you said
you decided not to do chemotherapy.
Chris Wark: Thats right.
Ty: So but before you got the port put in I assume.

Chris Wark: I was a no show for the port.
Ty: Okay.
Chris Wark: After that they sent me a certified letter. They were calling
my house. They were after me to try to get me to do chemotherapy. And
I just was avoiding their calls. Im like leave me alone. Like Ive made up
my mind. This is what Im doing.
Ty: Did you ever talk to the oncologist about the phony statistics
or the incorrect statistics that he gave you because clearly that
was not accurate.
Chris Wark: No, I never went back. And I know why he did it. He did it
because he knew the truth was extremely discouraging. You know, if he
had come in and said, look, with the therapies we have available youve
got about at 30 percent chance of living five years. I would have been
out the door in five seconds. See ya! But he told me 60 percent because
he thought, well, you know, maybe this will sound better. This will be
more encouraging. Maybe itll give him more hope, right? Itll make the
treatment sound more appealing, right. 60s way better than 30.
So thats why I did it. Thats why I did it. Its just basic economics. They
need a steady supply of patients to make money and you know, doctors
arent bad people but theyre trained. They go to med school and they
go tothey have residency and it takes 15 20 years for a doctor to go
through all the training and actually go through enough practice before
they realize that everything theyve been trained to do doesnt really
work and that most of their patients end up dying. And by that times its
too late to change careers and theyre making a high six figure income.
The average oncologist makes almost 300 thousand dollars a year. And
yet in a survey that just came out about a month ago on Medscape, 52
percent of oncologists reported that they were unsatisfied with their
income.
Ty: Wow! And theyre makingthe average makes over
Chris Wark: $290 thousand a year.
Ty: Thats a lot of money.
Chris Wark: Thats a lot of money to be unsatisfied about.
Ty: Its not enough apparently.

Chris Wark: I guess its not enough. So you know, from there basically
it was I was totally trusting in God to lead me at that point because its
like, alright, everybody thinks Im crazy. Im alone. I was very much
alone.
Ty: So once you made the decision to avoid chemo and to

overdose on nutrition as you put it you told your family. What was
their reaction like?
Chris Wark: Well, they werent comfortable with it. They thought I was
being stubborn and hard headed and foolish. My mom was big
supporter of me. Shes always beenmy moms always been into
health food. Shes always been sort of a health junkie. And so she was
a huge, huge ally for me at that time. And I love my wife. Were still
married. Weve been together 18 years but she was terrified.
Ty: Congratulations!
Chris Wark: Yeah, thank you. She didnt know what to do. She didnt
know how to help me. And she really thought I was making a mistake
and a lot of other people did too. But I had to trust that God was leading
me, that he had answered my prayer and if so that I could trust that that
was the route that would lead me ultimately to health. So I had very little
support. I was very much alone in the beginning. But whats neat is my
mom had a bunch of books about alternative cancer therapy and a
bunch of books about health and stuff written by Paul Bragg and all
kinds of these just great health books that she had collected over the
years for no real reason. And as soon as I started reading and
researching and found out about different authors and books and health
leaders and experts and I would mention them to here. Shed say, oh, I
have that book. And Im like youve got this library of books like for me,
you know. There was no other reason. She was like saving them up for
me and didnt realize it.
Ty: She was collecting them for you over the years and didnt
know what the purpose was until now.
Chris Wark: Yeah, and it was stuffobviously she was interested in

them but she had saved them all. And so that was amazing. I mean I
just knew God was in control. I knew he was working. And so fromso
what did my diet look like? It was very simple. And I think a hard core
nutritional approach to cancer needs to be very simple because there
are a lot of options out there. It can get very complicated and a lot of
people havetheyre seeing so many different directions they dont
even know where to go and they get paralyzed.

And so I realized, okay, what is the most fundamental foundational part

of my healing approach and thats food. Ive got to get as much nutrition
in my body as I can from the earth. And so I started juicing. And I drank
about 64 ounces of vegetable juice every day, mostly carrot juice. I ate
giant salads full of cruciferous and alium vegetables. Thats broccoli,
cauliflower, kale, cabbage, onions, garlic, peppers, right, just spinach
all that good stuff.
Ty: Sounds good.
Chris Wark: Yeah
Ty: Youre making me hungry.
Chris Wark: Just the amazing giant salad. We shared one at Jasons
Deli recently.
Ty: Yeah.
Chris Wark: Yeah, just a giant salad full of like all this really amazing
food from the earth that was put here for us. And I ate that twice a day
and then I would make fruit smoothies with the fresh coconut and
berriestwo cups of blueberries, blackberries, raspberries,
strawberries. Berries are very potent anticancer fruits. And that was it.
That was the daily diet. And it was every day and I did that for 90 days.
It was a 100 percent raw food for 90 days.
I was working with a naturopath and he checked my blood work and my

urine and my hair samples and all kinds of stuff, and he helped me
modify the diet. He had me on different supplements that he thought
would help boost my immune system, help deal with any parasites or
help detoxify, just sort of address those things that are common to a lot
of cancer patients. Cancer is the product of a sick body. You know,
youre sick, you have cancer because youre sick. Not the other way
around, right.
Ty: So cancers really the symptom.
Chris Wark: Cancer is the symptom of a sick body. And you cannot cut
a tumor off or shrink a tumor or poison a tumor and expect to stay well
and stay healthy because youre not addressing the real problem.
Youre only addressing the symptom. And its like cutting off your nose to
get rid of a cold. It doesnt solve the real underlying problem.

Sarah Cooper Pancreatic Cancer Survivor

13 Years
Ty: And I guess September of this last year we both had the
privilege of speaking at a conference in Atlanta and I was able to
speak to a patient of yours that is a pancreatic cancer survivor of
13 years.
Dr. Linda Isaacs: Thats right.
Ty: Can you talk a little bit about here? Ill mention her name,
Sarah Cooper. And talk about the treatment protocol that youve
used with Sarah to be out 13 years with pancreatic cancer which is
supposed to be a death sentence.
Dr. Linda Isaacs: Right. Well, she was originally diagnosed in the fall
of 2000 and then she was found to have a mass in the pancreas. So a
few months later, it took a little time, I think people were telling her she
should get surgery and thats what they were advocating. But she wasnt
too keen on that idea. So eventually she did though get a needle biopsy
which showed that she had poorly differentiated adenocarcinoma which
is another way of saying it was really bad news. And there are different
types of pancreatic cancer. So just to be absolutely sure the hospital
sent the slides onto an expert at the Mayo Clinic who also looked at
them and said, yes, this is pancreatic cancer. Its the adenocarcinoma,

the nasty kind. So they once again suggested that she really should
have surgery but she had done her research. Shes a very smart woman
and she had checked into how well surgery works for pancreatic cancer.
So she wound up going on her program off the protocol, so to speak,
what she was advised to do then, the nuts and bolts of the program for
her, large doses of pancreatic enzymes, some other supplements that
are designed to help support the body as she fought against the cancer,
and a dietin her case it was predominantly vegetarian although it does
include eggs and fish, some dairy products, and the coffee enemas,
other detoxification routines. So thats the program that she was on
which shes implemented over the last 13 years now.
Ty: Quite an impressive lady too, by the way.
Dr. Linda Isaacs: Yeah, she really is.
Dr. Charles Majors
Ty: You are sitting here today. You look like a picture of health.
But that wasnt the case four or five years ago.
Dr. Charles Majors: No, not at all.
Ty: Tell us your personal story.

Dr. Charles Majors: I wouldits been almost five, five and a half, six
years ago I started having severe headaches. And obviously what I do
Im taking care of people every day with headaches. You know, so Im
thinking, okay, its probably just coming from my spine and my nerves.
And I was getting adjusted. The headaches were doing phenomenal but
it kept coming back. I then finally started getting weak. I was losing
weight. I did some blood work and the blood, my white blood cells. I was
anemic, things were going on. At that point we knew something was
going on. I was diagnosed with Lyme disease at that time. So we started
taking care of the Lyme. I ran another test, still not feeling good, but ran
another Lyme test. The Lyme was clear. They cleared out the Lyme.
And so at that point I knew that it was time for an MRI.
So I had one of my doctors, whos a friend of mine, whose wife is a

nurse, said its time to get an MRI. And I knew it. I knew I didnt want an
MRI. I got an MRI about 3:30 in the afternoon, and I say the timing for a
reason. About 3:30 in the afternoon I had my MRI. They told me theyd
let me know the next day the results. I went home and I slept pretty
much 18 hours a day, 19 hours a day. I could barely stand up. I was
laying on the couch. And at that time I woke up to my wife and my oldest
son on top of me crying. And it literally was like someone died. And I
knew something was wrong at that time and my wife is crying and she
said, they already for the MRI. And Im thinking I must have slept till
Im thinking is the next day already. It was an hour and a half, two hours
later. They literally, the radiologist held my x-ray up to the light, or my
MRI up to the light, looked at it and immediately saw two huge tumors
on my brain stem and I two small ones by the eyes. He said I needed to
get to Northwestern Hospital immediately. They didnt even want me to
go through the night. They thought I literally wouldnt wake up in the
morning. It was just that severe.
So I rushed to Northwestern immediately. It was about 5:30, got to

Northwestern around 6:30. When I got therethey assumed that this
was benign. You know, they had nothey did no other test yet but they
assumed this is going to benign. Were going to go up there. Youre
young, youre healthy. Its going towere not going to have any issues
with the surgery, so. But I had so much cerebral spinal fluid in the brain
because there wasthe tumors were putting so much pressure on the
spinal cord. Like literally the spinal fluid couldnt go down my spinal
cord. So all the spinal fluid would stay up here so thats what would
create my headaches. So if I would lay down for a while and relax the
spinal fluid would be able to settle back down. And so they came in, I
walked into the room; my mother had driven about two hours quickly to
be there. I walked into the room; my mother and my wife were in there.

And they looked atthe doctor looked at my wife and my mother and
they said you dont want to see this. At that time is they had to take a
drill and drill down the top of my head here to put a tube down there to
start draining the fluid there was so much fluid in my brain.
Ty: And you still got a scar there.
Dr. Charles Majors: Yeah, I got a scar here and I have a scar here but
if they went down this way to take the fluid out of my brain literallyand
they cant usethey dont use medication when they put a hole in your
head. So they literally, no medication at all they have to drill a hole down
through my head to put a tube into there. And it literallypeople say
what did it feel like or sound like. It sounded like somebody was going
through tile or porcelain like they were drilling through the head and then
pulling back up. Its like a little saw it looks like.
So they put the tube in there and Ill tell you at that point youre like
thank God for modern medicine. Headaches went away immediately.
They got the fluid out of there. And thats what medicines there for.
Medicines crisis care. I was in a crisis, you know, but there was no way
they were going to get me back to health again but it was definitely there
for a crisis. They got the fluid out of there. I could function. The next day
the neurosurgeon came in and said, you know, this here is going to be
easy. Were going to go through about a week of preparation to get you
ready making sure you can handle the surgery. Theyre going to do a
brain surgery.
So theyre going to have to go right up inside of there and theyre just

going to go in and cut out the tumors. And so they didnt do any other
blood work. They didnt test anything else but basic stuff for the surgery.
About a week later, it was a Tuesday morning I went in for surgery they
said it would be about eight to twelve hour surgery. And Dr. Ben Lerner
who wrote the book with me, my wife, we had doctors and family and
friends all in the room waiting for me to come out of surgery. And
instead of being eight or twelve hour surgery is was pretty quick. They
literallyit was over and theyand I didnt know this.
They went into the room to tell my wife. They said, we have bad news.
It wasnt benign tumors. It was cancerous. And when I went to cut on
the first onewhen you cut on cancer or you mess with it at all it swells.
And the cancer began to swell and it started to bleed. And obviously
what does the blood carry? More cancer. So they said that the chances
are that I may not wake up in the morning because the swelling was so
big in the brain now and the cancer was spreading worse.

And so I woke up the next morning and I have tube down my throat
because I couldnt breathe, tubes coming out of my stomach, tubes
coming out of my head. And Im thinking the tumors are gone. I have no
clue whats going on. No ones telling me anything. And finally they told
me that it wasnt benign. That this was cancer. And I couldnt speak at
all to anyone else. And then they said, we need to do more testing. Its
worse than that. So what could be worse than cancer already in your
brain and spreading. They said its worse than that. its the secondary. Its
coming from somewhere in the body. So then they went and did CAT
scans and PET scans and did everything they could for the next three or
four days. They could not find any cancer anywhere else. Finally they
had to do a bone marrow test.
They went in, they drill your bone marrow and they take out some bone
marrow. They test it. About 37 to 40 percent of my blood was making
cancer. And so I was diagnosed at that time with a multiple myeloma
which is the myelocytes were reacting. So I had all this myeloma and
the myelocytes. I had bone marrow cancer and because it was made in
the blood it spread. What was interesting is because of the way I was
living it never went to any other organ. Almost every single myeloma
patient it goes to their spine, their bones crack, and its a horrible death
where mine only went up to my brain. So whatever I was doing they said
how I was living at least kept it out of the rest of my body because they
figured it should have been all through my bones. It should have been
everywhere else.
At that time the two oncologists, they walked into the room with me to
give me the bad news. And they said, you know, the bad news is its
incurable. Its already in your brain. The only thing we could do is bone
marrow transplant, high dose chemo, and some radiation. And that
would only buy you time. That was a Thursday morning I was let out. I
literally got on a plane at 5:00 in the afternoon and flew to Reno,
Nevada to see Dr. James Forsyth. Hes one of the premiere oncologists
in the world. What he was using there was IV vitamin C, poly MVA, he
had his own Forsyth immune therapies. I was doing all different stuff. I
was doing all the diet stuff which I knew how to do working on all the
supplementation, all the exercise work. I was doing all that. And they
were killing it.
And just like I teach now that the number one thing that has to be done
when someone has cancer is you have to get to the cause. The second
step is, you know, now kill it. But if you dont get to the cause and stop
creating it and stop making it it doesnt matter if I kill it or not. I could
have killed all this cancer. It would have bought me some time, thank
God, like chemo and radiation may do. But if I dont stop making it, if I
dont get to the cause its going to come back anyway. So when I was in
Reno with Dr. Forsyth I was there so he could help kill it because it was
spreading. It was in my brain. I could barely function. So he was helping
kill the cancer. I was working on stopping making it, changing my
lifestyle, changing the environment. I was there about three weeks.
I left there, came home, began all myall the protocols at home. I had
ozone machine, which rectal ozone, PEMF, positron electronic
magnification frequencies. I was doing infrared saunas. I was doing a
high dose proteolytic therapies, poly MVAs, I wasI mean I was doing
probably a 100 to 120 supplements a day throughout. And then my
blood work was being read at that time by Dr. Hilu in Spain whos
another top cancer doctor there. And he would read my blood and then I
went out there about four months later. I spent two weeks there,
amazing, following him, watching him do what he does. And now I send
my blood over there every three to six months to him. I do my blood
work here. And now itsobviously its going on almost four years now
that Im feeling good, doing better than ever. Blood works look clear. Dr.
Hilu even said to me, stop sending your blood to me, send it next year.
But I still send it all the time because for me medicines there tothank
God. I could run every medical test on you, every cancer test on you, I
could do every medical test there is, one wouldnt find cancer after you
have it, right? Thank God we have those tests but I dont want to wait for
a test. Medicines early detection of a disease thats already existing. Its
not healthcare. Its not preventative care. The disease is already there.
And thank God we have those things but those things arent going to get
me back to health again.
Ty: Right. So really what youre stressing, and Im seeing this as a

common thread among a lot of the interviewees for this miniseries
is that prevention is the key. And also changing the environment of
the body that makes it inhospitable to cancer because cancer
doesnt live in certain environments or it doesnt do well in certain
environments. So the focus is really prevention and to change that
internal terrain so that cancer doesnt feel like its at home.
Dr. Charles Majors: Absolutely! Again, we look under the normal

healthy cell uses oxygen as its respiration. We know a cancer cell hates
oxygen. So we know that we need to get more oxygen into the body and
thats what ozone is doing. You know, I do a lot of vitamin C. Most
people dont realize that vitamin is helping bring more oxygen into the
body. I do IV hydrogen peroxide and I still do these things. I do IV H2O2.
And so Im doing things that are also bringing in lots of oxygen into my
body, into my cells, giving it the environment that this cancer cant live. I
do my high intensity, short duration workouts six days a week still. So I
do all my protocols still to this day to make sure Im creating an
environment where that cancer can never come back.
Stage IV Invasive Breast Cancer Survivor

26 Years
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez: One of my first patients is a wonderful lady.

She lives in New Jersey. She came to me--Ill never forgetDecember
3rd, 1987. Shes so memorable. I remember the day. Id only been in
practice a couple months. She had stage IV breast cancervery
interesting story. In 1985 she developed a mass in her right breast, the
breast turns red, the doctor thinks its mastitis which is an infected
breast, puts her on antibiotics, doesnt get better, gives her more
antibiotics, doesnt get better.
The breast gets bigger, redder, looks nasty so he sends her to a

surgeon, biopsys it, comes back inflammatory breast cancer. As
physicians know inflammatory breast cancer is the most aggressive type
of breast cancer there is. Its virtually incurable by standard approaches.
It was huge at that point. So big that when she was sent to the surgeon
for surgery, he said it was too big. I cant operate on you. What you
need to do is have radiation first to shrink it down. She goes through five
weeks of radiation; the tumor shrinks down enough so the surgeon said
Ill try to take it out. Takes it out. It was eight centimeters, which for a
breast cancer after radiation is huge. But more importantly 17 of 17
lymph nodes were involved with cancer. All the lymph nodes that were
evaluated had cancer, which as a dire prognosis. The way it works in
cancer medicine whenever you have more than nine lymph nodes
involved its a death sentence. They did a bone scan but they didnt see
anything in the bone. But when you have 17 out of 17 lymph nodes
positive youre dealing with deadly disease.
Her oncologist decides that theyre going to give her aggressive

chemotherapy, a triple agent regimen, very aggressive. In those days it
was the standard for metastatic diseaseCMF, cytoxin, and
methotrexate - those were the three drugs that were developed in Italy.
They tell her that this wont cure her but it might prolong her life. So she
starts doing it. Two years into August 1987 she develops pain in her
sternum. They do a bone scan. Shes got multiple lesions in her ribs
consistent with metastatictheres a huge tumor in her sternum. They
do an x-ray that confirms the tumor. The guy, the oncologist, honest
guy, throws his hands in the air and says nothing else we can do. Now
Id only been in practice two months. Its not like I had this kind of
international reputation. I was like as well known as dog poop. No one

knew who I was. I happen to be on the Bob Atkins Show. Bob Atkins is
an old friend my journalism days. Id included him in a couple of my
articles. So we remained personal friends. He had a very well listened to
national radio show back in those days and he knew about my Kelly
study. Id given a copy which I couldnt get published. And he had me on
his show and this patients social worker that she was consulting with
because of the stress of cancer happened to have an interest in
alternative medicine. She actually ironically she worked for the
American Cancer Society.
She kept her interest in alternative medicine secret. Its like

pornography. You have to keep it a secret. You have to hide it because
they might do something. She might lose her job and end up in jail. So
she had a secret interest in alternative medicine. For her to be on the
show and she tells the patient you got to see Gonzalez. Even though Id
only been in practice two months there was something on the radio
show, and Bob gave me like an hour that resonated with a social
worker. And the patient believes what the social workers who had came
to see me. That was interesting in 1987 been in practice two months.
Why would anyone trust me when were dealing with stage IV cancer?
But she did.
And weve learned often the difference between success and failure is
the attitude of the patient. Yeah, we treat people biochemically, yeah.
My goal is life once I adopted science is my new lifestyle was to spend
my life at Sloan-Kettering doing basic science research. I never even
thought Id see patients. But Ive learned I have to change that. Ive
learned a lot of this from Kelly that the attitude and the mind of the
patient are the single most important determinants. Patients that are at
peace with their situation are facing the practitioner always do the best. I
always tell patients if you dont trust your practitioner whether its me,
Joe Schmo down the street, Sloan-Kettering, leave.
Find someone you believe in because your lack of belief, your lack of
faith or lack of trust will undermine your treatment, whatever it is,
chemo, radiation, or something else. She trusted me from the beginning,
did the program. I don't know why she did but there was something that
resonated. We got along great, did the program, didnt want scans, said
whats the point. They told me Im going to be dead so why do scans?
Why expose myself to the radiation? Even back in the 1980s she was
thinking like that. Finally, 2001, 14 years later. I said look, Im trained as
an academician. Humor me. Do a bone scan. We wont do CAT scans.
Okay. I dont want you getting the radiation. Let me do a bone scan. She
didall the tumors were gone. And shes alive and well now. It 26 and a
half years since her diagnosis with stage IV metastatic inflammatory
breast cancer developing metastases while on aggressive
chemotherapy with total regression of disease on my treatment 26 and a

half years out.
Im trained as kind ofyou know, having been a journalist its so funny

its like I have a different personality now. Im obsessed with the
conventional medical literature. Friday evenings Im reading medical
literature. And I study the literature because it helps me in my own work.
I know of no case in history of medicine of a 26 and a half year survivor
of metastatic inflammatory breast cancer into the bone developing
metastases while on chemo who had total regression on a nutritional
program. I don't know of any other case.
Jason Vale
Ty: So Im here in New York City at Mangia Organics, a restaurant

with my friend Jason Vale. Jason it is a pleasure to finally meet you
face-to-face. Weve done interviews onI dont thinkI think youll
beat me if we arm wrestle.
Jason Vale: Yeah, its got to be like
Ty: Hes the arm wrestling champion here.
Jason Vale: Thats good. Right there. Okay.

Ty: But Im not going to arm wrestle you because youll probably
flip me over.
Jason Vale: Youre blushing.
Ty: Yeah. Im embarrassed man because you would probably

knock me off.
Jason Vale: No, no, no
Ty: But anyway, Jason and I have never met before but weve
interviewed on the radio several times. And Im so excited to
interview tonight because this is the reason that I got involved with
alternative cancer research almost 20 years ago when my dad was
diagnosed with cancer. The first thing that I did was do some
research and I found Jasons video. He was on a show called
Extra. And they interviewed him on the show about the protocol
you had used to cure your own cancer, so. What I want to do is just
get your story tonight man. Howtalk about being diagnosed and
the treatments that you used and then eventually the time that you
spent in jail. So Jason take it away my friend.
Jason Vale: See, please interject whenever you want to keep me on

track or whatever. But when I was 18-years-oldactually when I was
15-years-old, honest truth, I felt a pain in my back. Later on when we did
research we saw that everybody that had my type of cancer which was
called the Askins tumor, it started at 15-years-old. Like there was only
like 15 people diagnosed. So at 15 I remember I had smoked pot.
Excuse me. But this is a New York thing. And I remember going home
and being real sensitive to my body and I felt something on my back.
And I actually saidIll never forget the words. I said, Lord, if this is a
tumor please dont let it come out now because my lifeyou know, at
15 youre in ninth grade its like your life is likeyou feel great. Youre
the best. And then nothing happened.
At 18-years-old I remember I got really sick at 18-years-old. Actually I

was in a lot of pain. I was playing hand ball. That was my thing, hand
ball every day, eight hours a day, six hours a dayexcuse meand
hitting that ball. And then all of a sudden, I had come home that night
and I couldnt lay down anymore. I had to actually sit up when I was
sleeping or my mother would just rub my back. And that was the only
thing that gave me any relief. We didnt know what it was and you know,
I was coughing some. And I went to camp. I actually had to leave camp
from like Upstate New York. I had to leave in the middle of the sleep
away camp. And I had an x-ray done and they said you have
pneumonia. Now, I don't know if you know but when you have
pneumonia your whole lung is white, and thats what it was. It was white.
And if you have a tumor in your lung, the tumors white.
So they didnt see this huge tumor, which actually was a grapefruit size.
So about two months later I still have pneumonia and mythe doctor,
my personal doctor, Mr. Rabinowicz [ph] said, listen, Im going to put
him in for exploratory surgery because this is not going away. I went in
for exploratory surgery because they said they thought I might have
empyema which isempyema is like a pus pocket outside of the lung
which causes pneumonia to stay an extra few months and they have to
kind of go in and get that out. And you get a chest tube and all that stuff.
So anyway, they operated on me and I woke up eight hours later
because it wasnt a normal operation. Actually when they went in they
found a tumor the size of a grapefruit, a connecting tumor the size of a
lemon next to it. And when I woke up they told me that. and I didnt
realize the seriousness of it because Im justI didntI really didnt
realize anything. And my mother and father they know, you know, they
have to bring it to theget a pathology report and were going to know
in a week or two if its cancer or not. And I wasnt even thinking along
those lines yet. So it turns out that Im sittingstill in the hospital and
they came back with the diagnosis that was cancer. And it was a very,
very rare cancer; it was a very deadly cancer. Everybody had died from
it in one year.
Ty: Less than 20 people in the world with that kind of cancer.
Jason Vale: That had it diagnosed and actuallyright. Theres

probably much more than that but not on the books, so. Peopleso you
know, mywe were in the hospital and they were really nervous, my
mother and my father, like I said, on the Inside Edition and Extra show
they were at the foot of the bed and they were like just about crying. And
I just didntI felt very confident. And I was brought upnot that I was
brought up so much in the church, which I was, but I really had a deep
relationship. I was praying every day like on Halloween. We didnt go
trick or treating. We actually had a 24 hour prayer meeting at night with
the kids. So I just told them listen, theres a reason for this I told my
mother and my father and I believe its going to be okay. So over that
year after I got out of the hospital at 18 my father took me to the medical
library.
And its a good thing he did because we saw that everybody that had
this type of tumor, didnt do the chemo or radiation. Never did chemo
and radiation but they did either chemo or radiation and they still died
within like six months. The one person lived like eight years. But other
than that everybody had died right away and they all had the tumor
originally like at 15, 16 years when it came out originally. Now theres
more cases of it. But back then thats all that was there. So I said Im not
going to do chemo-radiation. Theres no way Im going to do this
because everybody died. So I just went right back, got my hockey
equipment out and just went right back to playing hockey again. And
literally 12 months later to the day about I was in tremendous pain
again. I went and got a CAT scan. And by that time I knew how to read
the CAT scans because not that I knew how to read it so much except
that I knew that in this spot if theres any light you have a tumor there.
Ty: Thats not good.
Jason Vale: I knew that, right? So I went in the other room after they
did the CAT scan and normally they dont let youthe technicians dont
let youthey dont give you any diagnosis. Theyre not allowed. They
get in trouble. And they dont really let you look at the stuff but they let
me look. I begged them. I said, listen, please. This is my life, my body.
And I want to know before I get a call. Who wants to get a call from the
hospital saying we have news for you please. Hey. So anyway, yeah, it
was there. I saw it. The same thingtumor, the same like the other
time. It was just as big already.
Ty: Within a year.
Jason Vale: Within a year it was big, it was huge. It was very
aggressive. It wasnt like just starting out or anything. So
Ty: And by this time you were how old, 18 or so?
Jason Vale: 19 now
Ty: 19okay.
Jason Vale: 19already had it once. They did the thoracotomy on me.
They took it out. And now it came back. And this time I remember I was
getting pretty sick. I was at home. I was actually laying in my mothers
and fathers bed. They were sleeping on the couch. And I couldnt walk.
I didnt know it but the tumor hadthe tumor and then thatremember
before I said there was a lemon piece. Well, there was a tumor and then
like this trail that went over to my spine and ate into my spine and was
just about to eat my spinal column and I couldnt really walk. I was
having a hard time. Actually I was stepping before I hit the ground. And
my mother said, dont worry. We have an appointment next week. My
father immediately called the hospital and said we have to come in now.
So because of my father I can walk. My mother was listening to what
they said. My father just steam rolled right over her and said we have to
get him to the hospital now. So thats what we did we went to the
hospital and they said, listen, were going towere not going to do it
now because its like 12:00 at night, whatever. Were going to have a
fresh team in the morning and were going to operate on you in the
morning. So the morning comes and all I remember from that day is that
they laid me down on the bedDr. Collinsgrove [ph], Dr. Beattythis
was Sloan-Kettering and Beth Israel, and Dr. Berglund. He was he
nerve doctor that was going to take over when they got to the cancer
that was near the spine. And Dr. Beatty was the chest doctor. He was
going to take it out from there. Dr. Collinsgrove turned out to be a friend
to this day. Im a good friend of his. He was like an intern at the time or
resident, whatever, you know.
So they told me, okay, count back from ten and by the time you get to
one youre going to be asleep. So I remember saying let me play a trick
on them. Ill never forget this. I said, alright, ten, nine, eight [snores] and
I went like this and the whole team you heard them just starting to get
their stuff together and going on. And in about three seconds later I went
just kidding. And they allto this day they all say that that really
brightened the whole attitude of the operating room because they were
laughing hysterically. Another second I was out cold though. They told
me afterwards that that really gave them a good outlook because they
dont like seeing a 18-year-old kid with a deadly uncurable cancer in his
body. So anyway, they did an amazing operation and so forth and that
time I said to them I didnt know better. I didnt know. And I still dont
know to this day what did what. But I do know that I said to them, listen,
if Im going to do any of this chemo-radiation, everybody died with the
chemo, everybody died with the radiation. And I was strong. I felt I was
strong as an ox even though I had had the cancer the year before. I said
let me do the chemo and the radiation. So they gave me the most
poison you can possibly take in the world without dying and I almost did
die but thats when I stopped doing the chemo.
About five years later they found something in myit might have been
six years they found something in my kidney. And I think the size of it
was 3.5 when they found it originally. I think I was going for a scan every
like year or so, or at first it was every six months and then it was every
year. And then they found something that was 3.5 centimeters in my
kidney and they said it parallels renal cell carcinoma. And I said I dont
want to get a biopsy because if you get a biopsy of it. Youre going to
spread it.
Ty: Spread the cancer
Jason Vale: Right. I mean doctors say that, right. Other people say
that.

Ty: Sure
Jason Vale: Biopsies do that.
Ty: Many doctors that weve interviewed have said the same thing.
Jason Vale: Good, yeah, because the needle aspiration when they pull
the needle out it canI don't know. So some doctors believe that, some
doctors actually dont believe that. but so over the years I could never
get someone that would explain why I have to get a biopsy because I
wanted to know for sure if it was cancer. Because at this point is when I
found out about the apricot seeds. It seemed like the tumor kept
shrinking. And every time we went to the doctors we sawthe first time
I went it only went down from 3.5 to 3.2 and I was discouraged. But
kidney cancers are verycan be very slow growing or slow shrinking
also. So I didnt let it discourage me much but every time I went it was
going down a little bit more, 3.5, 2.8, 2.5, 2.0
Ty: All the while youre eating the apricot seeds.
Jason Vale: Well, Im eating the seeds, yes. Well, at aboutlets see, I
was like 26 or 27, I was arm wrestling and I was starting to become the
New York State champion and I was US champion at one point. And I
was the world champion at one point. But before I was the world
champion the show Extra they called me up and they wanted to do an
interview. And I said, sure, you know, Ill do an interview because they
saw that this guy that was a really good arm wrestler also had cancer
and beat the worst cancer.
Ty: Yeah. Thats got fodder for TV.
Jason Vale: Right. They came over. We did the interview and the next
thing you know they were calling me up saying, listen, Jason we have
hundreds and hundreds of people calling the show. They want to know
your phone number. They want to know how they can get in touch with
you and talk to you and blah, blah, blah. They said is it okay if we give
your phone number out? I said sure. Give my phone number out. So
immediately people started calling me and I put together a business
package. I found a way to get the seeds, which I could only find a place
that had like five or ten pounds at a time. Like the video says a world
without cancer about this whole thing thats going on
Ty: I still remember. It was a videotape that I got, World Without

Cancer.

Jason Vale: Oh you got one.
Ty: Yeah.
Jason Vale: Right. All the people, the health food stores in the past,
you know, the FDA would break the windows, shut the stores down
because they had these seeds. So to this day a lot of health food stores,
or to that day what Im talking about, when I was 26. Im 46 now. They
didnt carry them so you couldnt find then anywhere. If I did find them
somewhere it was like an underground Chinese health food store in the
city that had like pounds in the back somewhere.
Ty: Right
Jason Vale: So anyway, I got the seeds and I gotI made someI got
a duplicating machine and I put the seedsfor like 50 dollars I sold the
seeds and the DVD. It was probably cheaper than that. And the seeds
are only like 15 dollars. Anyway, I put it together and I got a credit card
account and put up a quick website and I just started selling tons of
these things. And I would tell each person, now listen, I dont want to
beif this isnt true I dont want to be touting something thats not true.
Call me back if you getif theres any success stories. I started getting
calls immediately of people saying, listen, I had a tumor on my skin. It
shrunk down. Or I had a tumor on my arm and it got bigger, it swelled up
and then shrunk down. It started itching. I got every story in the book
and I asked the people, look, I can put your phone on the website. Can I
put your email address on the website because people dont believe
this. So they said okay. So the FTC sends me a letter and they spelled
my name wrong. So I should have stuck with them. But I said listen, I
don't know who youre talking about. Theres nothis name at this
address. So we went back and forth and they sent a letter saying you
got proof of this happening and proof fromshow me the proof.
Ty: So theyre saying that youre making unapproved claims for

curing or what was it?
Jason Vale: They kicked it over to the FDA. And the FDA started
saying that. So at that point they had my right name and right address
and I just had a lawyer, Mr. Dilling, and I don't know if hes a lawyer to
this day but Mr. Dilling was in the middle of this fight 40 years ago when
this whole thing was going on. And he told me, listen, we just have to
change the labeling, which I did, and then the FDA said, no good. And
then we changed it again. The FDA kept saying no good, no good, no
good. So everything we did they kept saying no good. And then I
realized like theres nothing we can do.

Ty: Its a stacked deck.
Jason Vale: It sure was and thats when they got a temporary
injunction against me and the injunction was not to sellthe whole crux
of it was they said you cant sell seedsat first they were saying you
cant sell them as a cure. You cant sell them according to FDA law,
which only means I cant sell them as a cure. It doesnt mean I cant sell
them, period, because then I cant have them in a grocery store.
Ty: You cant say that they cure anything.
Jason Vale: Right.
Ty: Okay.
Jason Vale: In the end of them adjusting and marking things down and
didacting things from the injunction it read a lot more to say you cant
sell seeds period. And this is what I said, you cant tell me I cant sell
seeds. You cant tell me I cant sell apples because thats the same
thing, isnt it? And they stuck to that and the judgeit was a veryit
was a stacked trial. Actually I hadthen I had a permanent injunction
against me and they said I violated both but I was saying, listen, you got
to prove that I sold them as a cure, which I stopped. I didnt do that
anymore. I told peopleI gave the FDA warning at the bottom and I
also told people it was third party information. And I just said, I just
never told people its going to cure you. I would never say that to people
even if it does. So I had a trial basically. At the initial hearing I left. I
actually was on my way but a bunch of friends who were all dressed up,
and I justIm not kidding. This sounds weird. But a flock of birdslike
as Im headed this way a flock of birds came like right over the cover
going this way. And I was like Im sorry. Im not superstitious like that but
I was just like I am not going. I was like this has got to be sign that Im
not going. Anyway, I left. I went to my other apartment for three months.
They were looking for me and I was talking to the marshalls and finally I
turned myself in. And there was a million dollar bail they gave me.
Ty: A million dollars?
Jason Vale: Yeah, 883 thousand dollars. I almost won the trial. I
actually was pro se where my lawyer who was telling me, oh, Ill get you
eight years. What do you mean youll get me eight years? This is
contempt of court. Contempt of court is like a six month thing at the
most if youre guilty. I wasnt even guilty and theyre sayingso it was a
trial but there was no statutory maximum and no minimum. So its a
verythey were saying, hey, we got 20 years and you know. And I
said, listen, if Im going to go to prison its going to be Im doing my own
trial then. So I kicked them out and the judge wouldnt let them
completely get off. The judge made them sit at the table. Ill never forget
the one question I asked that the lawyer jumped up on my side and said
dont ask that question. And I was going to askthe FDA agent was up
at thehe was on the witness stand and I was redirecting. And I was
doing my cross examinationexcuse meand the question was so did
you have like 40 or 50 complaints about me? And the lawyer got up and
said, hold on, wait, time out. Keep talking. He said dont answer that
question. I said, listen, Im asking this question. So I was going to come
down to the end saying did you ever get a complaint against me? So I
made him sit there and I said did you have 30 or 40 claims? He said, no.
Did you have 20 or 30? Did you have 10? Did you have five? Did you
ever have one complaint about me with the seeds about beingabout
me defrauding people? And he had to say no. And I have those
transcripts at the website actually but he had to actually admit no.
So whowhy was I on trial? Whats the point? Theres nobody that was
injured. There has to be an injured party for there to be a trial. This
should be maybe a civil thing. Anyway, it was a big kangaroo court. It
was a big farce. At that point he said right away, youre in contempt. I
want to-you have to show me why you should not be held in contempt
by the end of this day or else they were going to detain me anyway that
day. I was guilty that day and that was it. They held me from that day. I
didnt come out for five years from that day.
Ty: Five years.
Jason Vale: Five yearsfour years, eleven months.
Ty: County jailwhered you go?
Jason Vale: I went to MDC I think. It was not county. It was federal.
Ty: Federal prison.
Jason Vale: Oh yeah.
Ty: So you did five years and then you got outwas it 2008 that
you got out of prison?
Jason Vale: 2008, yeah, in May, yeah.
Ty: Well Jason, I want to thank you for sharing your story with us
tonight and I just want to thank you personally. This miniseries,
The Truth about Cancer, would not be happening if it wasnt for
you because you are the first person that I woke upthat woke me
up to natural cancer treatments back in 1996, a long time ago. So it

was 18 years ago. I think in 94, maybe is when you filmed the
show, 96 was when my dad died and thats when I first saw the
video. So I just want to thank you personally man. This wouldnt
even happen without you and its
Jason Vale: Great man! Ty, everybody mentions you. I love it. So
many people that called up my company, they all say Ty, I mean I wish
there was a way I could haveI mean I owe you a lot too because a lot
of peoplethey owe you a lot too because a lot of people read your
book the way you market it and a lot of people read it and they got
better. They got better or people that lived an extra five, ten years,
which all counts.
Ty: Yeah, with quality of life. But hey, were all in the same fight.
Were all here to spread the truth and to spread knowledge about
this, so. Its my honor to interview you tonight man. And well arm
wrestle in a second but off camera.
Jason Vale: Yeah sure.
[Music]
Ty: I don't know about you but Ive been very encouraged with
these real life cancer success stories. I cant believe it. The truth
about cancer or the quest for the cures, our seven day miniseries
is over. Its been an exhausting six weeks. I want to thank my
camera man, the camera crew. I want to thank my partners. I want
to thank all of the doctors, the researchers, the scientists, the
cancer patients that were kind enough to let me interview them and
to get their story. I hope youve been encouraged. I know I am. I
know Im ready to get home to see my family. Ive missed them but
its been well worth it to get this information to you. I hope youve
enjoyed the mini-series. Thanks a lot and God bless.
[Music]
Tamara St. John: Hi everyone. My name is Tamara St. John and Im

going to tell you how I found my cancer and how I ended up healing that
naturally. So back in April, it was April 2009 and I found a lump on my
breast. And right in the middle of that I was about to finish my masters
degree so I was really busy and busy working so I just kind of put it on
the back burner and I didnt have time. But I knew deep down what it

was because I saw my mother go through cancer when I was like 12-
years-old. So from April until the beginning of May it had spread to my
lymph nodes. So then I had five or six swollen lymph nodes underneath
each armpit. And at that time everything started throbbing and was
painful across my whole entire breast area underneath my armpits. And
everything was throbbing and it was really itchy at the site on my left
breast where the lump was. And then I had lost my job in the beginning
of May of 2009 and then right after that happened I still hadnt finished
my masters degree so I still had a few more weeks to go. So I put
everything on the back burner and then just waited. So in that time by
the end of May I graduated and I just sat down in front of the computer
and I just prayed to God because I knew what was happening. I knew
what was going on. I also knew I just lost my job. I had no insurance. I
didnt have any money and I was facing cancer.
So I prayed to God and he immediately led me to the Budwig protocol

and so I started doing that immediately. And within weeks the lump
started to go down. So I knew something was working within me. And
then as I did more research I started researching, I didI started in the
apricot kernels and the juicing and then pineapple for enzyme therapy. I
started doing detoxification of my body, a lot of exercising. At the point
in the beginning of June 2009 I was sleeping like close to about 15
hours per day. And even when I was awake I felt like I was like in a
brain fog like I hadnt slept at all. So about three months after I had
found the cancer and started Budwig is when a rash appeared around
my neck in the form of a ring. And so I had done research. I had spoken
to biochemist. I had spoken to doctors. I had spoken to nurses.
I spoke to people who had had cancer and they had all confirmed that
that was the epidermal growth factor receptor, which is indicative of

HER1 type cancers. You will not have that type of rash unless you first
have cancer in your body. And the rash doesnt go away until the cancer
is out of your body. So it took seven months from the time my rash
appeared, sometime around September of 2009 to October 2009, until
April of that following year, 2010, that rash did not go away. When it
finally went away was when I kind of relaxed on my cancer therapies
and I was feeling better. So I thought, you know, itd be great to start
eating kind of junk food again and made a big mistake. So cancer came
back in six months time because I wasnt cautious with my diet. And you
really have to be. You have to be diligent about what youre eating. You
have to beits just 24/7. The whole entirewhen youre healing cancer
naturally you have to be on it all the time. And it takes a lot of work. Its
not easy.
So throughout this entire trial its been over five years now and its been
difficult but I wrote a book on how to help people heal naturally and to
show people what I did and what you can also do at home. And it
doesnt have to cost a lot of money because I was on welfare. I was on
unemployment and then welfare for quite a long time. No one would
give me a job which actually ended up being a blessing because it took
every ounce of strength I had just to heal. And I dont know how I would
have been able to work through all that. So if you want to check out my
website it is TamaraStJohn.com and then my book is called, Defeat
Cancer Now. And its written very simply to help people heal from
cancer. So thank you so much for listening. God bless.




Contact Information for the Experts
Mike Adams Suzanne Somers

aka The Health Ranger Cancer Survivor, Author, Actress
Food Scientist, Author, Lecturer http://www.suzannesomers.com/
http://naturalnews.com/
Dr. Robert Scott Bell

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy, M.D. Author, Lecturer, Syndicated Host
http://cancercenterforhope.com/ of the Robert Scott Bell Show
http://www.connealymd.com/ http://www.robertscottbell.com/
949-581-4673 http://unlockthepowertoheal.com/
Dr. David Jockers

Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D. Author and Lecturer
aka Dr. Fitt Exodus Health Center, 2750 Jiles
facebook.com/drfitt Rd, Kennesaw, GA 30144
http://www.drfitt.com/ 770-420-0492
www.drjockers.com

Dr. Vronique Desaulniers Shannon Knight

(Dr. V) Cancer Survivor & Founder/CEO
Author and Lecturer of Angels For Shannon
http://breastcancerconqueror.com/ www.angelsforshannon.com
drv@breastcancerconqueror.com info@angelsforshannon.com
Dr. Patrick Quillin, PhD, RD,

Burton Goldberg CNS
aka The Voice of Alternative Author, Lecturer, Nutritional
Medicine Expert
Author and Lecturer http://www.patrickquillin.com/
http://www.burtongoldberg.com/
Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D. AJ Lanigan

Lecturer and Author Scientist and Immunologist
36 E 36th Street, Suite 204 c/o Transfer Point, Inc.
New York, NY 10016 www.transferpoint.com
212-213-3337 877-407-3999
www.dr-gonzalez.com

Dr. Rashid Buttar, DO Bill Henderson

Author and Lecturer Cancer Coach, Lecturer, Author
19620 West Catawba Ave #100, uhealcancer@gmail.com
Cornelius, NC 28031 http://www.Beating-Cancer-
704-895-9355 Gently.com
http://www.drbuttar.com/
KC Craichy
Author and Nutritional Expert
Chris Wark http://livingfuel.com/
Cancer Survivor, Author, and
Lecturer
www.chrisbeatcancer.com
Dr. Linda Isaacs, M.D.

Lecturer and Author
G. Edward Griffin 36 E 36th Street, Suite 204
Author, Lecturer, and Filmmaker New York, NY 10016
http://www.realityzone.com/ 212-213-3337
www.lindaisaacsmd.com

R. Webster Kehr Jason Vale

aka The Cancer Tutor Cancer Survivor
http://www.cancertutor.com/ http://www.apricotsfromgod.info/
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby, M.D., Ian Jacklin

PhD Filmmaker and Researcher
Author and Lecturer Former World Kickboxing
http://alternative-doctor.com Champion
http://facebook.com/alternativedoc http://www.ianjacklin.com/
/ http://icurecancer.com/
Dr. Darrell Wolfe, Ac. PhD Dr. Charles Majors

Author and Lecturer Cancer Survivor, Author, Lecturer
http://drdarrellwolfe.com/ http://www.beacancerkiller.com/
http://mastercleansetea.com/ charlesmajors@hotmail.com
815-372-0170

Jeffrey M. Smith
Filmmaker, Researcher, Lecturer
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/
http://geneticroulettemovie.com/
Paul Barattiero, C.Ped

Hydration Specialist
http://www.echowaterionizer.com/
Wendy Wilson
Master Herbalist
www.thepowerherbs.com
support@thepowerherbs.com
Tamara St. John

Author, Speaker, and Cancer
Survivor
www.Tamarastjohn.com
www.facebook.com/alternativehea
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Dr. Irvin Sahni, M.D.
Lecturer and Scientist
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Many blessings to you and your family.

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EPISODE 2: ARE YOU IMMUNE? ........................................35

EPISODE 3: FRANKEN-FOODS & CANCER CAUSERS ....61

EPISODE 4: SPOILED ROTTEN ..........................................89

EPISODE 5: EATING AWAY AT CANCER .........................117

EPISODE 6: WHAT WOULD DOC DO?..............................145

EPISODE 7: HOW TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE ..................189

CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE EXPERTS ...............243

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That was what really got me to wherein a position personally I

Fast forward to 2014, the current year. In March, I talked to a

Its been crazy. Im exhausted but Im excited about this project

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Ty: So what is cancer? I traveled to Los Angeles to talk to G.

G. Edward Griffin: So lets backup to the basic assumption which is

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Dr. Roby Mitchell: So cancer, when we look at it deductively and, of

And so when we look atfor instance, if you look at my prostate

Ty: So Dr. Roby Mitchell mentioned a toxic environment. Look at

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Ty: After leaving Las Vegas I needed to talk to Burton Goldberg

Burton Goldberg: When my daddy was born in 1900 one in 33

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northern aggression depending on your historical perspective, you

Flexner report of 1910, it became known. Abraham and Simon Flexner

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impossible to predict a clinicalthe clinical response of the five drugs.

Ty: So this explains why doctors now use drugs as a band-aid, as

Ty: I would fire the mechanic.

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Why? Because it suppresses the immune system and causes ______

Ty: So in other words, youre saying thatand this is specifically

hammer and smashing the check engine light or taking a carpet

Dr. Rashid Buttar: Absolutely! In fact, Patrick Quillin who wrote,

Dr. Veronique Desaulniers: It doesnt make sense to poison and to

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A study done in Australia at the University of Sydney, Australia, where

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Chris Wark: Whats amazing is so many cancer patients when theyre

Chris Wark: Yeah. We know it is because of the industry studies tell us

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in 52 children. So obviously some serious things have changed because

Ty: Dr. Connealy mentioned the immune system and lifestyle

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Ty: Beautiful fruit trees, youve already given me a small tour.

Dr. Patrick Quillin: A greata broad expansive sort of global question

The only therapy for that is proper nutrition. It sometimes needs to be

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This is where a very important part of my message is to get the

And number five is that nutrients can become biological response