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arayana dasa: timing problems and relief

This class focuses on the method of seeing the effects of curses using Mula, Narayana and Naisargika
dasa. Focus is on the methods of using Narayana dasa to time the effects of the curses and blessings in the
chart, and accurately time the period of relief.
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38 Responses to arayana dasa: timing problems and relief

1. David LaGrone Says:
April 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Thanks for the lesson on Narayana dasa! I am working on a chart where this information will be
quite valuable.
Curious, thoughwhy arent you on your honeymoon? (I thought you just got married.)
namaste, David
2. Visti Larsen Says:


Dear David, Namaskar
Thanks for the cudos. Now, now. You know thats none of your business, but I can tell you that
we have planned for the same in the near future.
Yours, Visti
3. Tulsi Badrinath Says:

April 30th, 2007 at 6:36 am
Dear Visti,
I have a question related to your chart. Why did you not consider Scorpio Narayana Dasha which
houses the Sun under curse. This also coincides with the Moola dashas of Mars 1981-82 and Sun
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1982-85. You said something about curses getting activated when the native is in their twenties-
does that mean that curses have no effect earlier, say in a persons childhood? Is that why you did
not consider the first Narayana Dasha?
Greatly looking forward to your answer,
Yours,
Tulsi
4. Sanjeev Says:
April 30th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Dear Visti,Namaskar,
a) In your lecture for calculating the Narayan Dasha, you mentioned that we have to start from
lagna or seventh house, whichever is stronger. If no planet is posited in lagna and seventh house and
both these lords are in some other house together, how to conclude which among them is stronger -
the lagna or the seventh ?
b)In general how do we conclude whether a particular plant is strong or weak ? Is it based on the
degrees (Odd Rasi - 0 to 6 Balyavastha,6-12 Kumarvastha,12-18 Yuvavastha, 18-24 Vridhavastha
and 24-30 Mritavastha - In case of planet being in even rashi the order is reversed) or there are
other considerations ?
c)Can observations from Vimsottari dasha and Narayan dasha contrary to each other, sometimes if
not all the times ?
Kindly enlighten.
regards
sanjeev
5. Sharat Says:
||Hare Rama Krishna||

Dear Sanjeev,
If I may point out how to judge the stronger between 7 th and Lagna, if none have any planet.
Sanjay ji in his book advises that the following rules work well:
1.Sign aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or its own Lord is stronger
2.Look at the natural strenghth of the sign

Dual sign is stronger than , Fixed, which is stronger than Movable sign
Hope this helps.

Regards
Sharat
6. Pranav Gupta Says:

!Om Gurave Namah!

Dear Visti ji, Namaskar!
Thanks for the lesson on Narayana/Moola dasa.
In you lecture you said that it is difficult to remedy the curse when retrograde planet is involved in
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the curse. What happens when the cursed benefic itself is retrograde?
Warm regards,
Pranav
7. Reema Sriganesh Says:

May 1st, 2007 at 8:59 pm
|| Hare Rama Krushna ||
Namaste Vistiji,
Whenever you find it appropriate, can you please give us a class on Graha Malika Yoga. As I
understand, it is one of those overriding yogas in a chart that we should understand well. So far, I
have not come across any detailed discussion of this yoga.
Just a thought
May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.
8. Sanjeev Says:
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:33 am
Dear Sharat, Namaskar,

Thanks for the reply. This definately would help but in a specific case that I wanted to find out
which (Lagna or Seventh) is stronger, it did not. Scropio Lagna - Mars-Venus in tenth; Jupiter in
twelfth, Mercury in ninth - neither lords,Jupiter nor Mercury aspecting lagna or seventh house. Both
lagna and seventh are fixed signs.
Maybe because Rahu aspects seventh and Jupiter is of 29 degrees in twelfth house, we may infer
that Lagna is stronger. What is your opinion ?
regards
sanjeev
9. Sharat Says:
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 am
Dear Sanjeev,
Where is Ketu, does it aspect Lagna/7H by rasi drisi?
There are more rules, can you give chart details please.
Regards
Sharat
10. Sanjeev Says:

May 2nd, 2007 at 8:09 am
Dear Sharat,
The details are
14.08.1959
1330 hrs
Bhopal (M.P.) India
Thanks
sanjeev
11. Sharat Says:

May 2nd, 2007 at 8:41 am
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||Namah Shivaya||
Dear Sanjeev,
Narayana dasa will start from Vrishabha, as 7H is stronger, aspected by both Guru and Buddha.
Hope this helps
Regards
Sharat
12. Sanjeev Says:

May 3rd, 2007 at 7:03 am
Dear Sharat, Namaskar,

Thanks a lot. Would you please also give the key points to interpret each of the Narayan dasha -
meaning suppose Aquarius dasha is running, on what basis to expect the results during the dasha ;
likewise for coming Pisces dasha how to predict.
regards
sanjeev
13. Sharat Says:

May 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
||Namah Shivaya||
Dear Sanjeev,
Basically you need to assess the bhavas 1(Intelligence),8( Debts) and 10(Karma) from the MD
lord. Perhaps you should go through Vistis Mp3 on this site.
Regards
Sharat

May 4th, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Dear Tulsi and Sharat, Namaskar.
Sharat
Thanks for answering the questions here. Good work. It would be better to give all the rules for
strength assesment.
Tulsi
Curses really manifest in the dasas of the two Gurus: Shukra and Guru Naisargika dasas, from
12-50 years og age. This is because the senses are at their highest state of awareness at this
time.
During Scorpio dasa I was often affected by disease, fevers, almost drowned twice, had
malaria as well, and also had a couple of close encounters with snakes. So yes it brought its
troubles with it.
Reema
I promise i will teach this, but my problem is that i wont teach without knowing the remedy
this is what is lacking.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
15. Balasubramanian V Says:

May 4th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Dear Sir,
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Venus and Guru are the two guru for each of saturnian group and Jupiterian group. they both are
rival, though they dont show their enemity in open, as they are supposed to show their knowledge
and preachings.
They both are maraka from their respective signs by ownership.
For Pisces and Sagittarius Lagna or Rasi Venus is great maraka and For Libra and Taurus Jupiter is
great maraka hence in many of the horoscope I have come across that the native was not doing well
with his performance or results.
Mysore Maharaja having his Venus in 9th, Lagna being Sagittarius could not enjoy his bagya during
its bukthi, that every one have witnessed by seeing the abolishment of Rajya of Raja.
V.B. Manian, Astrologer
16. Sharat Says:

May 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
||Namah Shivaya||
Rules applicable for Narayan Dasa
Following are the rules for judging the strength of signs, when studying Narayan Dasa. The rules are
used in hierachy and if the first applies then rest are not used.
Rule I for source of strength

1. Sign with one or more planets is stronger than the sign without or less number of planets.
2. If the signs have equal number of planets, then the strength for the signs is seen as per exaltation,
mooltrikona or swashetra.
3.If still equal, then natural strength of sign is seen, dual sign being stronger than fixed, fixed being
stronger than movable signs.
4.Lord of sign with higher degree in longitude is considered stronger
5.Even signs lord placement in a odd sign and Odd signs placement in a even sign is stronger.
6.The sign giving more years of dasa period is stronger.
Rule II for source of strength

Sign aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or its own Lord is stronger
Priority suggested by Sanjay ji is:
1.Rule 1, sub rule 1

2.Rule 2
Hope this helps the readers.

Sincerely,
Sharat

May 7th, 2007 at 9:57 am

Dear Sharat, Namaskar.
I think you took this from Sanjayjis book: Narayana Dasa.
There is an error in the book as the 4th and 5th rule of strength are supposed to be exchanged.
The rules thus become:
1. More planets in a sign.
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2. Dristi of Guru, Budha or Own lord.

3. Planets in the sign having exaltation, own sign, etc. strength.
4. Dual signs being stronger than Fixed who in turn are stronger than movable signs.
5. Lord being in a sign of a different oddity than that of its lordship. I.e. If the lord of an odd
sign is in an even sign it gains strength.
6. Higher degrees (we use the charakaraka strength here.
7. Sign having more years of dasa.
Yours sincerely, Visti
18. Sharat Says:

May 7th, 2007 at 10:51 am
||Namah Shivaya||
Dear Visti,
Namaskar,
Thanks for this correction, much obliged.
Regards
Sharat
19. Kumar Says:

May 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Dear Visti,
Thanks for the lesson on Narayana dasa as well others. I would like to know from where I can learn
the characteristic of the Navamasas in various Rasis. You have commented about the Thula
navamsa in Leo Rasi. If you could let me know the source it would be a great help for me. It would
be even better if you could give a lecture on this subject in the future.
Thank you very much for all your effort to spread the knowledge of the Vedic Astrology.
Kumar
20. Rafal Gendarz Says:

May 8th, 2007 at 9:15 am
Dear Gurudev, Namaksar
I was experiencing with JH in my early days, and its works in these scheme with Narayana dasa.
Stronger house
(1) More planets

(2) Guru / Buddha / Bhavesh
(3) Different oddity of lords
(4) More longitude
(5) Longer dasa
You added few more
Regards
Rafal Gendarz
http://www.rohinaa.com
21. Della Says:

May 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
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Does anyone know what the rising sign is for 11:30 AM today, May 8, 2007, EST?
Does anyone know the time it will change signs after that?
Thanks,
Della
22. Ashish Says:

May 8th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Dear Visti,
Namaskar,
Had the pleasure to listent to narayan Dasa lecture over the weekend .. though only partially.
Appying it to my chart, I see that the upcoming dasa ( in 2011 ) is going to be troublesome as it has
Sa(r) in it and the 8th from it is Capricorn and 10th is Pisces which contains the Cursed Moon (
from Rahu and Shani). So all three 1st 8th and 10th are connecting for this dasa with the curse. Also
the Saturn is retrograde.
Now When I look at Mula dasa if I take it from Sun then the period is of Jupiter and Ketu, however
from Moon the period is of Rahu -Moon and Rahu -Shani so indicating the curse will manifest
during this time. Do you recommend looking at Mula dasa from Moon ?
Please give me some advice / remedy to see through this period I know its a long way off but still
who knows if I will be able to get in touch with you then.
Best Regards,
Ashish
Date: November 25, 1974

Time: 6:10:00
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Jaipur, India

May 9th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

Dear Kumar and Ashish, Namaskar.
Kumar
Im abit unsure about the context in which i mentioned this. Maybe it should be part of a
navamsa-lecture.
Ashish
Why not Moola dasa from lagna?
Go through the remedy-lecture and do find the right devata to worship for this.
24. Ashish Says:

May 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Dear Visti,
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Namaskar,
Have gone through the remedy lecture and able to find that the Guru which is lord of Moon will be
planet to alleviate the curse, guru is in 5th and strong. So I should worship brihaspati ,good to
confirm that as I have been doing a fast for thursday for past 1 year and worshipping Brihaspati
though I am not very regular with the mantra .. rishabham charshanina
However my question still remains there was a typo earlier I took the mula dasa from lagna and not
sun..
So the question is that in 2011 the narayana dasa of Gemini with Sa is starting and 8th from it is
Capricorn lorded by Saturn only and 10 contains Moon which is under curse. So this dasa should be
very troublesome. However the mula dasa from lagan at that time is Ju-Ketu and give that Jupiter is
going to remove the curse should I infer that I will be protected from this curse. However if we take
mula dasa from moon then the period is rahu-moon and rahu-shani.
So here we see that the mula dasa from moon is coinciding with the troublesome narayan dasa
period.
Can there be different perspectives to Mula dasa depeding upon where we start it from ?
Best Wishes
Thanks,
Ashish
25. Anna Says:

May 28th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Dear Visti,
It seems that you tend to avoid differences btw Narayana and Moola Dasa. For timing courses, you
use Narayana+ do you require that Moola dasa ALWAYS be in accordance, for manifestations to
appear ? I think that Narayana as more comprehensive, is more important.
2/In my chart/youve provided data already/ Li /7thH, stronger/with Mars on it, mars is Trine Rahu,
some kind od Sarpa yoga/s/, sarpa & Vijaya, more specifically. Li running indicate the timing of the
course/ both ones? Is AD needed to trigger the fructification of the course? At the same time Sun in
Makara /and A10/ is in fourth from dasa rashi: does it indicate shift of attention, new /which ones?/
opportunities,
opportunities through struggle during the length of dasa?
3/Narasimha : he uses Hora Lagna in Narayana interpretation/financial forecast/, you seem to

ignore it altogether? /My/ Li dasa conjunct Ma and HL- would you give it any importance?
4/whats importance of trinal placements from N.dasha rashi?
5/Do you have a trick to marry Vimsottari and Narayana? is that necessary or not?
Love,
Anna
26. Anna Says:

May 28th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Dear Ashish,
Let me answer your question Can there be different perspectives to Mula dasa depending upon
where we start it from?
I would say always, and would apply this to every dasha. Sanjay is quite clear on this- starting point
is dependant on the type of answers we are searching for. For ex. you can get more relevant career
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answers if you start dasha/s/ from Sun.
One suggestion Id give you in response to your insistent effort to find total relief from curses-
That seems to give strength to your fears; strengthen your ability to cope with the karma, instead.
Best wishes,
Anna
27. Ashish Says:

May 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Hi Anna,
Namaskar, Nice advice about not mulling too much on the curses, I dont do that and try to take
things as they come.
Insistent postings if there are, are more because I am trying to learn Jyotish and have started from
my chart only.
So tell me how do we interpret Mula dasa from various starting points like Lagna, Sun and Moon.
Should we see this as affecting Physical Body, Atma and Mind.
Warm Regards,
Ashish
28. Anna Says:

May 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Dear Ashish,
As you are well aware of, youtish is never ending joy of learning, and I try too to enjoy this
awesome body of knowledge and avoid experiencing fears, which is not an easy task. My strategy
is place everything in Gods hand /where everything belongs anyway/ and do not look my sons
chart often. I consistently use couple of charts of people in whose life I partcipate, including my
own, of course, to explore and learn from.
I havent explored enough Sun, Moon, Lagna starting points, but well enough to acquire stable
opinion that general principles work. I would look at Moon-Lagna s.p. and have a glance at Suns
sp. picture, and when you do that often, something clicks somewhere in higher mind,perhaps and
you get focused and DIRECTED to the right one.
To help you better understand global picture, principle foundation, let me share Vistis teaching
example- during bad Saturn period i didnt have health problem and Visti saw that didnt happen
because Moola dasa running at that time wasnt suppporting. In 2009 when lagna rashi comes in
Moola dasa, says Visti, ALONG with difficult /health-wise/ TRANSIT I should be careful about my
health. Moon, my Lagnesh was a starting point and it sounds correct to start Moola d. from
Moon/health, body/ My Moon is in Scorpio and Visti made a /good/conclusion that I should take
care about my reproductive system. /No problems so far, BUT I will certainly have it checked more
often in 2009!/I write this because I consider this one exemplifies very thoughtful, intuitive analysis,
excellent discrimination and perfect consistency. I didnt have more Qs, do you?
Hope this adds a golden drop to our common pool of knowldge.

Warm wishes,
Anna
29. Anna Says:

May 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Dear Ashish,
If you think I missed your Q So tell me how do we interpret Mula dasa from various starting points
like Lagna, Sun and Moon. Should we see this as affecting Physical Body, Atma and Mind.- No, I
didnt. But let me clarify. See signification first- lagna and lagnesh tell about physical body-but be
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open to idiosyncracies- in example I gave with Cn. Lagna I would have a glance at BOTH s.p., and
if red light appears in any, I would look the context of the chart. Moon is Mind-Moola dasha,
Vimsottari from Moon, curses etc..if they all point in one direction, go further, if not, go back and
find DIRECTION/common sense.
Ive given you suggestions I use and method I use, but perhaps other methods work as well. Go
after yout guts. If Moon from my example is Atma karaka, you can not go wrong that Mind would
be more affected- Id add body as well, because its both Lagnesh and AK, and I strongly believe
that all ailing are psychosomatic- how can possibly body stay unharmed if the mind suffers. If you
have a yoga indicating promotion, see what Sun is doing- if you find activity there, something is
going to fructify career-wise.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Anna

June 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 pm

Dear Ashish and Anna, Namaskar
Anna has given some good answers. Think of Mula dasa as the time when the good/bad from
the past life has to be experienced, where Narayana dasa shows how that karma is affecting
our karma-yoga in this life.
As for other vishesha lagnas, truth is i use EVERYTHING. Even the Varnada lagna which
noone talks about these days, but if i mentioned everything i look at in the chart i would be
writing and speaking ten times more than i already do.
Yours, Visti.
31. Ashish Says:

June 4th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Dear Anna and Visti,

Namaskar,
Thanks a lot for your advise, I will not say that I have fully understood the tips but probably with
time and practice I will get it in.
Best Regards,
Ashish
32. Julli Says:

October 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Dear Visti,
Would you please tell us how to interpret the dasa of Mars and then Saturn for this man (2/18/42,
15:35, 74W10, 40N55, 5 West of GMT)?
He has Cancer lagna, with Saturn debilitated and Mars in 10th, aspected by Rahu from 2nd. Venus
and Mercury are both retrograde in Capricorn in 7th and Mercury is in MKS.
1. Are both Saturn and Mars cursed by being joined with each other and then aspected by Rahu?
2. Or is just Saturn cursed, being the much weaker of the 2 planets (debilitated and lording a MKS
planet)?
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My friend has just started dating him, and I fear for both of them as he comes into his Saturn/Rahu
Moola dasa in November.
Blessings to all,
Julli

October 13th, 2007 at 9:07 am

Dear Julli, Namaskar
It is Mars who is cursed being a higher benefic.
This will affect relationships as Saturn is the seventh lord. He will bring the problems into the
relationship if these planets are placed in the third, sixth or eleventh from arudha lagna.
34. priya Says:

November 20th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Dear Visti-ji. This is regarding judging the strength between my lagna and 7th. Both lagna and 7th
are dual sign with no planets & no rashi drishti from Guru, Budha or Own lord.Both are lords of
odd signs in odd signs.
Finally: 7th lord Jupiter is AmK and lagna lord is only PiK. But when you say more dasa years are
you refering to Vimshottari dasa years? If so Mercury has more strength.
Which is stronger in this case - Lagna or 7th? By the way lagna has graha drishti from Jupiter but
im guessing this is not relevant.
Thank You
35. Soul Sadhak Says:

February 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Dear Visti,
Has this thread been closed to further questions/comments?
http://www.srigaruda.com/jaimini-sjc/2007/03/11/lecture-on-remedies/#comments
Thanx
SS

February 7th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Dear Members, Namaskar.
Priya
Graha dristi isnt relevant when your counting the resources available for a rasi, so your right
in this respect.
The reference to Dasa years is the amount of years gained in the narayana dasa.
SS
Yes, i felt the answers given were enough to teach the important points of how to decide the
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remedy. If the thread had continued it would end up appealing to peoples personal charts
rather than learning.
37. Soul Sadhak Says:

No doubt the thread gives a lot of information, yet, I had one question related to curses, which i
dont know now where else to post, and since this is a related thread, im taking the risk of posting it
here:
In VRA (pg 67), a curse of past birth is defined as follows:

The principle is that the house, its Lord as well as its natural signifactor should all be afflicted
either together or separately by malefics.
However, according to the mp3_s from this site the curse is inclusive only of affliction to a graha by
2 or more malefics (not mentioning the hs and lord).
So i was wondering as to what is said in VRAs principle is applicable to a chart wanting to include
all 3 factors or 1 factor at a time:
e.g. does the affliction have to be to

- all the 3 factors viz. Ve, 7th Hs and lord of 7th by 2 or more malefics (which may be different
malefics) in the same chart or either karaka-graha OR hs OR lord can be afflicted by 2/more
malefics?
or, is it that afliction to all three (karaka+hs+lord)is more severe than afflcition to karaka / graha
only?
Many thanx
SS
38. satish Says:

Dear Visti - Namaskar
Please try to answer comment no 37 by SS. I too having same question.
Seems now a days you are too busy, still have some time for this.
Regards.
Satish.
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2. Visti Larsen Says:

3. Tulsi Badrinath Says:

Greatly looking forward to your answer,

||Hare Rama Krishna||

1.Sign aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or its own Lord is stronger

2.Look at the natural strenghth of the sign

Hope this helps.

6. Pranav Gupta Says:

!Om Gurave Namah!

Thanks for the lesson on Narayana/Moola dasa.

7. Reema Sriganesh Says:

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Dear Sharat, Namaskar,

10. Sanjeev Says:

11. Sharat Says:

12. Sanjeev Says:

Dear Sharat, Namaskar,

13. Sharat Says:

14. Visti Larsen Says:

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.

15. Balasubramanian V Says:

V.B. Manian, Astrologer

16. Sharat Says:

Rules applicable for Narayan Dasa

Rule I for source of strength

Rule II for source of strength

Priority suggested by Sanjay ji is:

1.Rule 1, sub rule 1

Hope this helps the readers.

17. Visti Larsen Says:

1. More planets in a sign.

2. Dristi of Guru, Budha or Own lord.

Yours sincerely, Visti

18. Sharat Says:

19. Kumar Says:

20. Rafal Gendarz Says:

Dear Gurudev, Namaksar

(1) More planets

You added few more

21. Della Says:

22. Ashish Says:

Date: November 25, 1974

23. Visti Larsen Says:

24. Ashish Says:

25. Anna Says:

3/Narasimha : he uses Hora Lagna in Narayana interpretation/financial forecast/, you seem to

4/whats importance of trinal placements from N.dasha rashi?

26. Anna Says:

answers if you start dasha/s/ from Sun.

27. Ashish Says:

28. Anna Says:

Hope this adds a golden drop to our common pool of knowldge.

29. Anna Says:

30. Visti Larsen Says:

31. Ashish Says:

Dear Anna and Visti,

32. Julli Says: