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kamat.gaurav Posted:WedJun30,201010:45amPostsubject:RegardingMomentredistribution&Momentreleases
SEFIMember inS/W

HelloSEFIans,

IhaveceratinquerrieswhichariseoutoftheambiquitiesthatIhaveinmomentredistribution&
momentreleasesinRCstructures.
Joined:05Oct2009
Posts:18 Firstly,themomentredistributionisdoneafterthecompleteanalysisisdone.AsIbelieveitisjust
Location:Bangalore
readjustmentofmomentsincertainpartsofthebeamwithafaiththatthereadjustedmomentscan
betakencareofinotherlocationsinthebeams.KindlycorrectmeifIamwrong.

Ontheotherhand,themomentreleasesoptionsavailableinpopularbuildinganalysissoftwareslike
STAAD&ETABSplaywiththefixityatthejoints,indirectlymodifyingtherotationcapacitiesatthe
jointsandtherebymodifyingthemomentsandshearsinthebeams.Kindlynotethatdoingthis,we
modifytheforcesinproratabasisinallthepossiblestaticloadcaseslikeDeadLoad,LiveLoads,
SeismicLoads,etc.

ButthepopularbeliefisthattheredistributioncanbedoneonlyforDeadLoads&LiveLoads(Vertical
Loads)andnotforLateralloads.AlsoinIS13920:1993,Cl6.2.4,momentredistributionispermitted
onlyforVerticalloadsandnotforlateralloads.ButinIS456:2000,Cl37.1.1usesterms"ALL
APPROPRIATECOMBINATIONSOFLOADS".

Iwanttoclarifyfollowingqurries,
1.CantheredistributionbedoneforlateralloadsifductiledeatilingisnotcarriedoutasperIS
13920:1993?Sayifductiledetailingisdonetheninloadcombinations1.5DL+1.5EQisitpossibleto
redistributetheDLmomentswithoutaffectingtheEQmomentsatasupport?ifyes,how?Ibelieve
thattheEQmomentsatanysupportarebyproductoftheDLmomentcarryingcapacityatthat
supportandwillreducetooiftheDLmomentsareredistributed.

2.Whatistheactualdifferencebetweenredistributionandreleasesinthesoftwares?Howeverusing
boththemethods,weachievesameobjectiveinrealityi.e.reductionofsteelincertainlocationsand
increaseinotherlocations.

3.Sayinloadcombinations1.5DL+1.5EQ,isitpossibletoredistributetheDLmomentswithout
affectingtheEQmomentsatasupport?

4.Canthepartialmomentreleasesbeusedintheanalysismodelstoeffectthereductioninsupport
momentsandincreaseinspanmoments?

5.Ihaveseenpeopleusingpartialreleasesinbeamsbetweenshearwallswherethereareveryhigh
supportmomentsandanyincreaseincrosssectionfurtherincreasestheforces.Cansuchpartial
releasesbeusedprovidedthedriftsanddeflectionsoftheentirestructurekeptincontrol?

SEFIanskindlyadvise.

Regards,
Gaurav

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pushpinder84 Posted:SatJul03,20106:03amPostsubject:
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DearEr.Gaurav,
Iamnotsureicangivereplytoyourqueries.Butfromwhatiknow,Momentredistributionisthe
concreteequivalentof"Plasticanalysis"insteeldesign.Whenconcretecracksatsupport,thebeam
andcolumn/walljointisallowedsmallrotation(plastichingeformation)andsteelreinforcement
keepsitinitsplaceandthiscausesredistributionofmoments.Therefore"DUCTILEDETAILING"as
perIS13920hastobeadoptedatsupports,andonlythenredistributioncantakeplacesafely
Joined:08Mar2010
Posts:42
(detailinghastobeadopted,amountofreinforcementcanchange).Secondly,sincelateralloads
(seismic)aresuddenandtheirbehaviorisdifficulttopredetermine,andthustheredistributioncan
notbecompletelyreliedupon.
Inmodeling,youcandowhateveryouwantwiththereleasesbutmakesurethatthemembersand
reinforcementisdetailedasperyourassumptions.

Regards
Er.PushpinderChauhan

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kamat.gaurav Posted:SatJul03,20103:01pmPostsubject:Thanksalot..
SEFIMember
DearEr.Pushpinder,

Thanksalotforyourefforts.Howevermyquerriesstillcontinuetohauntme.

Regards,
Joined:05Oct2009
Posts:18 Gaurav
Location:Bangalore

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Dr.N.Subramanian Posted:FriJul01,20114:03amPostsubject:Re:RegardingMomentredistribution&Moment
GeneralSponsor releasesin

DearMrKamat,

Thanksforraisinganimportantissue.Momentredistributionthoughallowedinthecode,hasa
numberofconditions.ACIallowsonly20%momentdistribution.Thoughwegeteconomyusingthis
provision,Idoubtwhetherpeopleareusingit.Moreover,ifyouareusingit,youhavetoprovide
ductiledetailingatpossibleplastichingelocationsandprovidereinforcementtoreducecrackwidth.

Duringearthquakes,theforceappliedonthestructureismuchmorethantheforcesforwhichwe
design.HencemomentredistributionisnotappliedhoweverthedrafttoIS13920allows10%
Joined:21Feb2008 redistribution.
Posts:5048
Location:Gaithersburg,MD,
U.S.A. IamnotsurewhichsoftwarehasprovisionforMomentredistribution.Justbyreleasingconstraints
willnotachievethepurpose.Youcanbendyoursoftwarelikethistogetanydesiredresult.Butthe
structuredoesnotunderstandandbehaveinitsownway.Momentredistributionisslightly
complicated.Ifyoureduce30%momentfromonelocation,itmaynotincreasebythesame
amountinanotherlocation.Itisbecauseofthepointofcontraflexure.ReynoldHandbookprovides
tablesforcontinuousbeamMomentredistribution.

Theenclosedpapershowsthatinconcretebeamsmomentredistributionoccursatelasticstageitself
andinshearcriticalbeamsalso!

Bestwishes
DrNSubramanian

kamat.gauravwrote:
HelloSEFIans,

IhaveceratinquerrieswhichariseoutoftheambiquitiesthatIhaveinmomentredistribution
&momentreleasesinRCstructures.

Firstly,themomentredistributionisdoneafterthecompleteanalysisisdone.AsIbelieveit
isjustreadjustmentofmomentsincertainpartsofthebeamwithafaiththatthereadjusted
momentscanbetakencareofinotherlocationsinthebeams.KindlycorrectmeifIam
wrong.

Ontheotherhand,themomentreleasesoptionsavailableinpopularbuildinganalysis
softwareslikeSTAAD&ETABSplaywiththefixityatthejoints,indirectlymodifyingthe
rotationcapacitiesatthejointsandtherebymodifyingthemomentsandshearsinthebeams.
Kindlynotethatdoingthis,wemodifytheforcesinproratabasisinallthepossiblestatic
loadcaseslikeDeadLoad,LiveLoads,SeismicLoads,etc.

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ButthepopularbeliefisthattheredistributioncanbedoneonlyforDeadLoads&LiveLoads
(VerticalLoads)andnotforLateralloads.AlsoinIS13920:1993,Cl6.2.4,moment
redistributionispermittedonlyforVerticalloadsandnotforlateralloads.ButinIS456:
2000,Cl37.1.1usesterms"ALLAPPROPRIATECOMBINATIONSOFLOADS".

Iwanttoclarifyfollowingqurries,
1.Cantheredistributionbedoneforlateralloadsifductiledeatilingisnotcarriedoutasper
IS13920:1993?Sayifductiledetailingisdonetheninloadcombinations1.5DL+1.5EQisit
possibletoredistributetheDLmomentswithoutaffectingtheEQmomentsatasupport?if
yes,how?IbelievethattheEQmomentsatanysupportarebyproductoftheDLmoment
carryingcapacityatthatsupportandwillreducetooiftheDLmomentsareredistributed.

2.Whatistheactualdifferencebetweenredistributionandreleasesinthesoftwares?
Howeverusingboththemethods,weachievesameobjectiveinrealityi.e.reductionofsteel
incertainlocationsandincreaseinotherlocations.

3.Sayinloadcombinations1.5DL+1.5EQ,isitpossibletoredistributetheDLmoments
withoutaffectingtheEQmomentsatasupport?

4.Canthepartialmomentreleasesbeusedintheanalysismodelstoeffectthereductionin
supportmomentsandincreaseinspanmoments?

5.Ihaveseenpeopleusingpartialreleasesinbeamsbetweenshearwallswherethereare
veryhighsupportmomentsandanyincreaseincrosssectionfurtherincreasestheforces.
Cansuchpartialreleasesbeusedprovidedthedriftsanddeflectionsoftheentirestructure
keptincontrol?

SEFIanskindlyadvise.

Regards,
Gaurav

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