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740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;) [#permalink] 14 Aug 2015, 14:34 Show Tags
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I spend a lot of time on this site and read a lot of debriefs for motivation. After n-th debrief they are became a little similar
because GMAT world not so big: we hav e like 15-20 courses (3-4 major) so here is not so much many possible ways of 1 hour ago GMAT: 700
preparation. in India via email
So I decide not to write about usual things and my preferences for courses because it is quite obvious.
1 hour ago GMAT: 700
I will try to write about stuff with I usually didn't met at debriefs. So it will be like anti-debrief in India via email
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They were amazing (I felt it) but my level wasnt enough for understand them. And when I read after his explanation 2-3
comments Wow this is amazing it was really depressing because I feel myself infinitely stupid (because all understand it
except of me!).
So if you do not understand his explanations it is ok. Just try to find another comment, another type of explanation. Do not
give up if you do not understand, just continue to try to understand it and understanding will come.
I write it because for me it was a really difficult and shameful moment so I hope I will help to somebody to restore confidence
if s/he will be in the same situation (also I hope that I not only one who had such problem
6. How I make mistake, lost money and why I glad because of this situation
GMATclub quant tests. Priceless. You should bought it one time because you should support amazing work of bb and Bunuel. I
did this at first because I didnt know how to make kudos But I didnt regret, such work should be supported.
IMO this is the most representative tests. Only GMAT prep better. For now I did 22 tests. Each of them are unique and gav e me
some new tricks.
7. You will not win by following some voodoo rituals. Sorry for harsh true
At first test I did all correctly: food, timing, I was in center before test, I take shirt because there was a conditioner, I wash my
face in breaks. What I have finally? 660 Second attempt: I have a headache, I forget water and food, and come to center 10
minutes before exam. And I did it. I dont know why. But I think that all this stuff around the exam decide nothing. Knowledge,
Ways to earn points
calmness and a little bit of luck - this are all you nned on exam, do not create too much pomp about this event because it Redeem points For rewards
worsen situation with your merv es
My suggest is to not bother too much about all this DDday stuff. (be careful it is only my opinion and I do not hav e any
responsibility for my advice
Attachment:
in which I put task, put link from gmatclub and write what was my problem with this task. And after some days I try to solve it
again.
I was shocked when I saw that some tasks I did 4-5 times wrong. I just cant remember how to solve or there was a trick. After
this invention my math went up really quickly. When you read decision this is not mean that you remember and understand
it. After read of decision you must close decision and solve it from zero immediately. Sometimes you will not solve it and then
you should reread it and again close solution and solv e it from scratch.
Why I was angry? Because when I reread error log instructions I see that all guys write about it and I just miss that part. This
mistake cost minimum month to time of my preparation.
11. Forget about point 8. Motivation sucks! All you need is Discipline
Put a really long password on your Facebook and other entertaining accounts. Something like IReallyWantToPassGmatOn 7++
so when you will have a desire to break the discipline you will be reminded about your past decision and maybe you will return
to GMAT stuff instead of Facebook surfing.
Also make a day plan in which put some everyday tasks such as
A) read 10 pages of Manhattan
B) make 10 SC
C) make 10 DS
and just check it day by day in excel: green cells if you make it and red if you dont. The global picture with a lot of red cells
will shame you and green picture will motivate you. Don't use reminders: you should see global picture of your discipline. But
be realistic. Make a small plan but from littel tasks but do it every day: this is a way to create new habit.
Discipline is really important part. You need a motivation, but discipline is more important. Do not way for some inspiration:
just sit and start to solve tasks and motiv ation will come to you
Stages of Understanding
We could outline, roughly, six levels of understanding.
Lev el #0 = no understanding, its completely foreign, does not compute
Lev el #1 = looks familiar, Yeah, I think Ive seen that before, some dim memory of how to do it
Lev el #2 = with a little review, or some key hints or coaching, you can solve one of these problems.
Lev el #3 = In the course of focusedpractice, you can solve these problems consistently. If you are in the zone for that
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I think out level #7 = creating or chaning of tasks: if you struggle from DS tasks try to take a simple one and change it. Put off
the type. Change the type. Add some conditions from another task. And try to understand how answer reacts on all this
changes. It will be better to have friend to check your inventions. If you make one or two DS tasks in one topic by yourself
your level of understanding DS became amazing. I had a period when I did like a 15 of DS tasks and I realized how it is difficult
to create a good real DS task. I realized that each word in task has a sense, that conditions are connected and you can easily
back solv e task because you can initially find the answer and after that check the conditions separately and a lot of another
tricks.
But by changing of task I mean not to change a on c or 5 on 6 but make some serious changes.
But I suggest NOT to post your initial attempts on forum because it can became a disaster like my first attempt:
is-x-y-x-y-even-integer-195807.html
I change answer 4 times! In my own task. It was really shameful situation )
But I make a little trasformation of this method and apply it to math. If you make error log then you know with type of careless
mistakes you did often. For example I lov e to forget what question asks and answer on something other. What I do with this
mistake. All day before solving tasks I write question at the top of my list and draw a little square near it. Before submit task I
force myself to reread question (and lose precious seconds for it I ev en now feel an inner protest about such stupid actions
and check this square. But really reread this question! Only checking the square will not help. First times it is impossible. You
try to control yourself but still make this mistake. It is like a magic. This exercise clearly show that we can not control
ourselv es. But after some days (if you not give up) it became a new habit. And you start check question automatically. And you
win at least 1-2 task on the exam because of this habit.
17. RC
I do not know why but I never met any advice about vocabulary. And I think this is really important part of RC and CR. One
word can easily solve the correctness of the answer. Learn all words from RC passages this is too extreme and v ery often GMAC
include wrods that you do not need at all. Shist, big tits (no this is not that you think about this is word from animals world,
algae, aardvark and so on. You will meet such words in RC but you can easilty substitute it with X and solve the questions.
So for me I design three step process of solving RC passages:
1) Number of questions * 1:30 = Total time. Read and solve questions during the total time. If not have time - guess.
2) Read passage second time and make second attempt on each question. Take as much time as want but you should give
correct answer.
3) Third attempt but with use of dictionary. Read unknow words and try to understand: is this word change something in your
previous answer? If yes - you should remeber this word.
After these steps you can easily understand what is you problem: is it time issues or v ocabulary issues.
For vocabulary issues I reccomend to use Anki.
Learn how to use
For time issues - only reading practice. But I nev er understand why people recommend to read some other sources. We
preparing for GMAT so for reading practice we should use GMAT passages and during this practice we should answer to the
questions. No other practice can give your development in this type of questions. Don't waste your precious preparation time
on other sources.
This is debatable claim but this is only my unprofessional opinion so I hope you will forgive me my tone )
First quant task 1:30 - excellent. Second task and I see that this is simple. It is really simple but I can not do it. I write more
one half of page and still can not do it. It was situation from nightmare you see that something scary happens and you can do
nothing. I understand that I can not skip second simple task! And I watch on timer and realize that I spend more than 5 minutes
on this task. Goodbye dreams about 1 round, hello second round and third attempt.
I lost this battle but decide to gain some experience and do not throw off my money. So let's do it for fun. I estimate this stupid
task and continue my test. There were some more problems. Not so dramatic but I did this quant way to much worse than my
previous attempt. Verbal? It was ok. My SC still sucks ( but there was some progress in comparison to first attempt.
When I saw my score I was shocked more than in my previous attempt: unpleasant-surprise-660-q48-v33-201704.html
I was 100% sure that I received less than 660. I do not know what happens. This was really weird.
And this is depends not from GMAT, not from your tutor, not from your course and not from this site. It is only your choice about
what role GMAT will play in this period of your life.
I chose to lov e it and for now I have a little sadness that this period is over (
And a little joy too for sure.
Ok, I will be honest: mainly joy actually
Good luck in your preparation guys. Hope I not boring you with my pieces of advice
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hi Harley,
you deserve every bit of that score you got. whenever i came to this platform, i always ensured that i solve the problems
posted by you. sadly, my jorney has not ended and it still continues- i don't know for how long. but i shall miss you on this
platform.
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hi Harley,
you deserve every bit of that score you got. whenever i came to this platform, i always ensured that i solve the problems
posted by you. sadly, my jorney has not ended and it still continues- i don't know for how long. but i shall miss you on this
platform.
naureen02 Re: 740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;) [#permalink] 15 Aug 2015, 08:51
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I read your entire debrief. There is a bit of a funny thing I wanted to point out. I could find few quite obvious grammar issues
with your post;). Frankly it is possible that they were just typos, but since you mentioned that you did not learn English at all
at school, it could be anything.
So, it is all the more creditable that you could score 40 on verbal. The reason why this was a specific inspiration for me was
that I actually did read English at school...and so, I am thinking...if you can do it, I can also....
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Harley1980 Re: 740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;) [#permalink] 15 Aug 2015, 08:59
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naureen02 wrote:
I read your entire debrief. There is a bit of a funny thing I wanted to point out. I could find few quite obvious grammar
issues with your post;). Frankly it is possible that they were just typos, but since you mentioned that you did not learn
English at all at school, it could be anything.
Joined: 06 Jul 2014 So, it is all the more creditable that you could score 40 on verbal. The reason why this was a specific inspiration for me was
Posts: 1274 that I actually did read English at school...and so, I am thinking...if you can do it, I can also....
Location: Ukraine
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GMAT 1: 660 Q48 V33 Hello naureen02
GMAT 2: 740 Q50 V40 You are right: there is a lot of mistakes because SC is still my weakiest spot in GMAT (
Followers: 151 But my logic and lov e to reading help me to tackle CR and RC
Kudos [?]: 1792 [1] , given: 178
And I am sure you can too
Good luck too you in your preparation.
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KS15 Re: 740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;) [#permalink] 16 Aug 2015, 00:50
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Congrats on a great score Harley. I have a few questions for you.
1.How much were you scoring in mocks (and which ones) before your exam?
2.Did you try Veritas Prep? I find a lot of the questions there are not good. Whats your opinion?
sairam595 Re: 740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;) [#permalink] 16 Aug 2015, 01:03
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Hi Harley,
Cadaver Re: 740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;) [#permalink] 16 Aug 2015, 01:15
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Congrats Harley......Way to go
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