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Posted: Feb 5, 2003 12:09 pm


syphon101 0

What is Banachek's book, Psychological Subtleties like? Would you recommend it?

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Posted: Feb 5, 2003 01:48 pm


PsiDroid 0

It's a book full of known and less known psychological principles. In my opinion is a
gold mine for the working performer.

I would recommend it.

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Posted: Feb 5, 2003 03:29 pm


1908 0

I would recommend it,too but what do you want exactly-what kind of magic you are
doing?If you are new to this kind of magic i would not recommend it for the simple
reason that it it preferable to read other books in mental magic rst(i would say that is
not for the beginner but that is wrong-just choose something else rst-my opinion...)
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Posted: Feb 5, 2003 03:40 pm


Bob Baker 0

If you perform mentalism regularly--not mental magic, mentalism--this book is a gold


mine.

If you do a few mental items in your act, it is of little value to you.

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Posted: Feb 5, 2003 04:08 pm


syphon101 0

Well, I'm just starting to get into mentalism, so I would say I am a beginner. I don't know
much about it right now.

I'm not sure exactly what kind of mentalism I want to perform. I plan on exploring
different types and see what I like. As of right now, I like doing things with PK
New user (Psychokinetic Time and M5). I use the Mind Power Deck a lot, too. I want to appear to
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be doing 'real' magic.

I nd all that psychological magic very intriguing. I want to look more into that as well
(like what Derren Brown does).

What would you guys recommend I start with?


Posted: Feb 5, 2003 06:17 pm
Bambaladam 0

To do what Derren Brown does, read his books Pure Effect and Absolute Magic. Also
read Henning Nelms and Ortiz, Berger, Knepper or anyone else focusing on
presentation.

I would suggest, if you are starting out, to get Corrinda's 13 steps to mentalism. And
Special user Annemann's Practical Mental Magic. And then, maybe, if you feel what you want is an
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edge to add to what you're already doing, get PK subtleties.

/bamba
Posted: Feb 5, 2003 06:35 pm
syphon101 0

Thank you, Bamba, for those recommendations. I'm going to look into those right away.

(Edit)
I looked for Derren Brown's books on his website and it says that all copies of
"Absolute Magic" have been sold. Where would I be able to get a copy of this?
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Posted: Feb 5, 2003 07:03 pm


Turk 0

syphon101,

I wholeheartedly agree with Bambaladam's book list. I'm especially partial to the Berger
books. IMHO, if not in all magic, at least in mentalism, a good effect is 90%
presentation and 10% "moves". Berger could perform a mentalism effect with a ham
Inner circle sandwich that would have the audience members wetting their pants or breaking out in
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3538 Posts hives. Great stuff.

I would add The Jinx series (vol 1-3) It has a lot of mentalism in it--as well as lots of
good practical regular magic effects. The series is not much on "patter" but that is
really a blessing in disguise because it forces you to do what you should be doing
anyway, namely, originating our own patter and presentation that ts your style. The
Jinx series has the added advantage that the effects are so old, they are new.

IMHO, another source of good mental material is most of the material written by Steve
Minch. Steve did (and does) a lot of writing for other magicians. "Mind Melds" is one
such example.

Also, Phil Goldstein's mentalism pamphlet series (such as "The Blue Book of
Menatalism" . Also includes the red, the green, the yellow and the Violet books are also
part of this series). Phil's routines are roughly 50-50 split on mentalism-mental magic.
However, presentation is everything and a mental magic effect can be thoughtfully
routined into a mentalism effect (and vice-versa). Unfortunately these pamphlets were
published in the early 80s and will be difcult to nd.

Hope this helps.

Turk
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Posted: Feb 6, 2003 06:07 pm
espmagic 0

Allow me to quote Dr. Bob -

"Question: What book or books are essential reading for someone just starting out in
mentalism?

Special user "First answer: Annemann's Practical Mental Effects and Corinda's 13 Steps to
814 Posts Mentalism are for every mentalist.

"Second Answer: Annemann and Corinda are out of date. The best book is T. A. Water's
Mind, Myth and Magic.

"Third answer: Water's wasn't a performer and most of his effects aren't very practical.
All you need is Corinda.

"Fourth answer: A great book for the beginner is Henry Hay's The Amateur Magician's
Handbook.

"Fifth answer: Don't forget Larry Becker's Stunners!

"Sixth answer: Banachek's Psychological Subtleties and Richard Busch's Peek


Performances top my list of essential reading for the modern mentalist.

"While all of the respondant's mentioned valuable works, I agree with only one of the
answers - the fourth. It is the only suggestion that answers THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.
(caps mine) None of the other books are particularly suitable for those "just starting
out in magic, particularly mentalism"...
And Dr. Bob knows what he is talking about.
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Posted: Mar 11, 2003 09:42 am
adniroc 0

I agree with Dr. Bob, but for the beginner I think Karl Fulves' "Self-Working Mental
Magic" should be mentioned. Even though the stuff in it isnt the best, it still gives

some good thoughts about how mentalism works--and its cheap, too.

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Posted: Mar 11, 2003 11:05 am


rrubin98 0

Psychological Subtleties is one of my favorite books. But I agree that it's not for a
beginner of mentalism.

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Posted: Mar 11, 2003 11:47 am
Stef 0

Psychological Subtelties is a good EXERCISE for your mind. It helps you to understand
the concept of mentalism. Although there are some effects you can perform, you need
to have performed some time before you can understand it better.
So if you are looking for a book on effects, go for the selections mentioned above. If
you already have them (or some), in the long run, this is a worthwhile book to have in
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Posted: Mar 11, 2003 04:02 pm
Brady 0

Besides all the above, which are great volumes, I would suggest something you may
already have in your library. In many of the volumes of Tarbell's course in magic there
are sections on mentalism and mental magic. Lots of the basic principles are covered
and many of the effects can be reworked for todays mentalist.

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Regards,

Brady
Posted: Mar 11, 2003 04:24 pm
debaser 0

If you want a fun Tarbell routine, check out the magazine test. Fairly impractical but
fun.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2003 03:21 am


BIlly James 0

Psychological Subtleties is a wonderful book for a working mentalist, it has many


devices for adding impact to the routines you are already performing.
There is one section containing a 'psychological test' where one spectator must tell the
truth while another must lie, this, I believe, is a great impromptu piece and for my
money almost worth the price of admission.
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