Beruflich Dokumente
Kultur Dokumente
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F = Fiona, S = Sarah P = Presenter
S: Hello. My names Sarah. Pleased to meet you. P: And now a story about another large family.
F: Oh, hello. A pleasure to meet you, too. My Being in a large family usually means learning
names Fiona. Its really nice to see a friendly to juggle several tasks at once shopping,
face, actually. Im feeling a bit nervous. cleaning, making dinner, helping with
S: Oh, dont worry. Theres no need to be nervous. homework, bandaging a knee and keeping an
Ive been to this class before and everyone is eye on the children playing outside. However, in
really nice. The teacher really makes you feel at addition to a normal family life, the Boehmer
ease. Have you done any Spanish classes family juggle clubs, rings, torches, balls and
before? anything else they can get their hands on. It all
F: Just a bit, but not for ages. I feel like Ive started while Larry Boehmer was working as a
forgotten everything! pipeline worker for Shell Oil. His job took him
S: I know what you mean. So, do you live near away from his wife Judy and the four children
here? they had at that time. He had spent the first few
F: Erm, not too far. I live in Wood End. weeks sitting in his motel room between shifts,
S: Oh really? Thats not far from where l live I when one day, while he was feeling bored, he
live in Whitefields, you know, just at the top of decided to take up a new hobby. Using a book,
the hill. he taught himself to juggle. When he had
F: Oh yes, thats really near me, actually! mastered the basics, he went home and
S: So, how did you get here today? Did you come showed his children what he could do.
by bus? Immediately, they wanted to learn too. Larry is
F: Yes, I did. I got the seventeen all the way. It a big family man, so he was only too happy
took me ages though because there was so about that and soon the whole family was
much traffic. What about you? juggling. Larry and three of the children gave
S: Yes, I got the seventeen too. The traffic was their first family performance at an amusement
awful, wasnt it? park, and from there it all went from strength to
F: Yeah, really bad. I was a bit late leaving the strength. Now, there are four sons and seven
house as well, cos I didnt get back from work daughters in the family, and they are the largest
till after six. family of jugglers in the world, working together
S: Whats your job? and performing regularly as a family. As Judy
F: Im a teacher. puts it, they didnt plan on all this happening.
S: Are you? When the kids saw each other, they picked up
F: Yes, I teach children. Primary school age, you on different things. One would do rings, another
know, mostly aged between seven and eleven. would do clubs, acrobatics or the unicycle.
I love it, but its really hard work! And you? Before they knew it, they had everybody doing
What do you do? something. Even Casey, the second son, who
S: Oh, well, Im certainly not a teacher. I wouldnt was born with only one arm, is a champion
have the patience for that! I work in advertising. juggler in his own right, as well as part of the
F: That sounds fun! family troupe. Larry insists the childrens
S: Yeah, its OK. But Id like to do something talents arent inherited, its simply a matter of
different now, I think. Oh, heres the teacher. practice and persistence. This is a skill that
Well, its been really nice talking to you. Maybe basically anybody can do you just have to put
we could meet up after the class and well, if your mind to it. Its just that most people who try
youre going straight home, perhaps we could to learn juggling give up too soon. Each
go together? member of the family has a speciality but they
F: Yes, that would be great. all have to practise a lot! Each member of
the family not only takes part in the show, they
also help with preparing the costumes,
transporting everything and setting up the
show. In the end though, performing in the
show makes all the practice and hard work
worth it. Its great fun and they all love it.
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F = Friend, M = Morgan
1 Can you hear what shes saying?
Yes, I can. M: Look have you seen this great website? Its
2 I couldnt phone them. about genealogy, you know, family history
3 I was able to phone from there. F: Family history? What your family?
4 I know I shouldve been more careful. M: Yes, well, any family. It basically helps you to
5 I wasnt able to tell them where I was. find old relatives and build a family tree.
6 You have to phone me when you get there. Actually, there are loads of websites like this
7 He had to get in touch with his boss. now. Its quite popular now lots of people are
8 Could you speak English when you were five? doing it.
Yes, I could. F: Oh really? Ive always thought Id like to know a
bit more about my family in the past.
M: Well, this is just the thing. Its great. Even
before I found this website, I had started putting
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G = Gill, M = Mandy really helps.
F: So, how far back can you go?
M: So do you think Tim takes after his dad? M: Well, Im pretty confident about as far back as
G: Well, I suppose so, in some ways. my great-grandparents, Cicely and John.
M: How? F: You didnt actually know them, did you?
G: Well, I mean, theyre both very stubborn . M: No, unfortunately, they died in the 1970s. By all
M: Thats for sure. It runs in the family. accounts they were an amazing couple,
G: But you know Tim really looks up to him. He devoted to each other and of course theyd
always has, right from when we were kids and lived through two World Wars.
while we were growing up. I remember he used F: Yes that generation went through such a lot.
to always be showing off to him, trying to get his Do you know when they were actually born?
attention, one way or another. M: Well, yes, I do. My great-grandfather, John, was
M: And how about you? born right on the turn of the century in 1900.
G: Oh, I suppose I was always closer to my mum. And my great-grandmother, Cicely just a year
She didnt have an easy time, bringing us up. before that in 1899.
Dad wasnt around much. F: Wow so did they have children?
M: And how did you and Tim get on? M: Yeah, they had two children, Laura and Ben,
G: Oh really well ... except when hed put spiders both were born around 1930 I think.
in my bed! F: So, Lauras your grandmother, isnt she? Ive
M: and hows life with you now? heard you talk about her.
G: Not bad. You know Im going out with Kevin. M: Yeah, thats right. I get on really well with her.
M: Oh yes? But, its not so long since you split up My mum says I take after her in lots of ways. I
with Max, is it? even look quite like her same nose!
G: Hey its nearly six months, and anyway, Ive F: Really?
known Kevin for ages, its just that its never M: Yeah. I usually go and visit her about once a
seemed to be the right time before. month, up in Leeds. Im going up there this
M: And, hows Sally? weekend, actually.
G: Oh Sally. Well, weve kind of fallen out. F: Is her husband still alive?
M: Really? Why? What happened? M: Julian? No, he died a couple of years ago. So,
G: Well, its a long story but, in a nutshell, I told her shes on her own now.
something pretty sensitive about me and things F: So, obviously Laura is your
going on at work. M: my mums mother. Laura and Julian had
M: Yes ? three children: my mum, Alison, and my aunts,
G: And then I found out shed talked about it to Sue and Deborah.
some other friends. F: Three girls!
M: Oh no! M: Yeah but all very different in character!
G: Yeah, I was really upset about it. F: Really?
M: Do you think youll be able to make up? M: Oh yes have I never told you about Aunt
G: Im really not sure . Sue?
F: I dont think so.
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I = Interviewer, O = Oliver
I was about twenty-five and Id been working at the same
company for five years. A friend showed me his photos of I: So, Oliver, just to remind the listeners, let me
an amazing holiday hed had in Central America. One ask, what have you been doing here?
photo in particular really struck me. It was when he went O: Erm yes, OK well, basically Ive been
diving and saw the most beautiful fish youve ever seen! I living with a family in a small village. Ive been
began to have itchy feet and wanted to leave work and here for about a month and a half now.
do something exciting. Id never been out of Europe I: Mmm a month and a half
before then and I was a bit worried about going straight O: Yes, since about the beginning of July. And
into uncharted territory! I mean, I didnt know anything erm Ive been teaching in the village school.
about countries so different and far away from mine. So, I Ive been teaching maths mostly, but other
decided to go to Spain first, to learn a bit of Spanish and things as well. Its all part of a bigger project
get used to being away from home. I went as an a lot of university students from the UK come
independent traveller on my own, because I really for a couple of months at a time. Its voluntary
wanted to do it all by myself. I spent a month wandering work, you know in the university holidays
around the town where I was living and learning Spanish to help people here and get some work
and loving every minute! I was bitten by the travel bug experience.
then and wanted to explore lots of other places. About six I: So, its all coming to an end now how do you
months later, after saving up some money, I went off to feel about leaving?
Guatemala, feeling very confident and pleased with O: Oh, well, mixed feelings I suppose. I mean, Ill
myself. The first two months were difficult and I be really sad about leaving everyone here. Ive
experienced real culture shock, I think. It seemed that had such a good time. You know, its been
everything was different. Lots of things went wrong too, challenging at times especially the heat. Its
like I was robbed twice, I couldnt find anywhere to live so hot here! But Ive had a great time really
and I was really homesick and missed my family like fantastic. Kenya is a really inspiring place.
mad! So I had a bit of a bumpy ride to start with, but after I: Mixed feelings though?
a while, I found a job teaching English, made some O: Well, yes, I mean, Im looking forward to seeing
friends and started to really enjoy myself. In fact, I grew my family. Ive missed them while Ive been
to love it so much I stayed there for three years! here. Everyone in the village has been really
friendly, though, and really looked after me.
I: And what will you miss about this place when
you leave?
CD 1 Track 11 O: Ill definitely miss the children in my class all
the children in the village actually. Theyre
1 Have you ever been to Brazil? great.
Yes, I have.
2 Ive always wanted to travel as much as possible.
3 What time did you get to the airport?
4 Ive been learning English for three years. CD 1 Track 13
5 Has she been working here for long?
Yes, she has. 1 The summer is generally hot and very humid and you
6 I was walking in the mountains when I fell and broke are often quite uncomfortable. Its often overcast too, and
my leg. there is no breeze to cool things down. Its very different
in the winter, when its cool and the sky is clear.
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M = Man, N = Natalie
P: Thats certainly a booming industry. So, what J: Communication, yes and communication
other industries are important now? which you can hold on to rather than yes, as
M: Well, so many of the things we buy are made in you say, rather than just anecdotal.
China, arent they? Industrial production C: And we and we would never have had
accounts for over half of Chinas economic computers if we hadn't had paper I think. And
wealth, including such consumer items as toys, it's a knock on effect.
clothes, shoes, cars and electronic goods, as J: Although, ironically, we possibly don't need
well as the heavier industrial products like iron. paper now that we have computers.
C: I still write letters.
J: Yes we're sat here with paper in front of us,
both of us, yeah.
C: Exactly, I don't think
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C: Of course. Do you not?
1 I went out for a delicious meal in a Chinese restaurant J: I don't, no, I only write emails now.
recently. C: I send birthday cards and
2 I think the giant panda is one of the most beautiful J: Birthday cards yeah, yeah you're right.
animals in the world. C: What about the computer, then? Was that really
3 I think that China sounds like a really interesting as fundamental as the others?
country and Id love to visit it. J: It's changed our lives, hasn't it our
generation?
C: Unfortunately, yes.
J: Erm, for work it's something that we use all day
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C = Carla, J = James C: Mm But then again, so has the light bulb.
J: Yes the light bulb is something, the light bulb
C: So James what do you think, what's the most and what's the other one and the wheel, and
important invention? paper to an extent, you don't even notice them
J: Well, perhaps gunpowder. any more, whereas a computer, a telephone
C: Why do you think that? you would you would notice.
J: Because it's even though it's had quite a C: Yeah, because they were all invented before
negative influence on world history it has had a we came along.
significant in influence on world history. It J: Yeah, they've become normalised.
changed, um, the power in in global C: Exactly.
communities J: So, what would you say, what would you say is
C: But it only changed, erm, in some countries. I the most important, pa would you stick with
don't think you can really say that that has had paper, or the computer?
the biggest effect in every single nation or every C: I no, I think paper.
single country. And also, I mean if you take into J: Yes I like the communication idea. It has, it has,
account what a negative influence it's had too, I erm, changed the way that communication
don't think it is the most important, because the happens throughout the world. Yeah OK, paper
most important is more influential and and it is.
therefore positive.
J: Right OK, so we could argue that importance
or that we want to look at importance from a
positive perspective, yeah?
C: I think so, yeah.
J: So what would you say?
C: Well I would actually say paper. I think paper
really changed, ah, changed the world.
Changed how the fact that we, ah you can
document history, can communicate, that was
really the first way of of communicating
something, ah, in a concrete way rather than
just word of mouth.
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I really like the town where I live and I think one of the There's a saying that your school days are the best days
main reasons is that, in terms of shopping, theres a lot of of your life. Well, I definitely wouldn't agree with that. My
variety. The main street has many different types of life since leaving school has been much more interesting
shops. Some of them are run by local people and they and rewarding and I definitely wouldn't want to live my
have been there for a long time. I like going into these school days again. But that said, my memories of school
shops because you get very good service. They are were pretty good, and I've still got really good friends that
always very helpful and friendly. Also, if youre buying I went to school with, you know, thirty years ago. When
food, like vegetables, meat or fish, for example, the food when I was at school, there was some idea that if you
is always fresher, tastier and cheaper than in the large studied hard and you passed your exams and maybe
supermarkets. Theres one large supermarket in the main went to university and got a degree, that somehow you
street which is very convenient for lots of the basic things were you know, guaranteed to get a good job and a
you need to buy. Id say that Im very lucky because good salary. But with the benefit of hindsight I've realised
theres such a good variety of shops in walking distance that while that's true to an extent, success in life is really
of where I live. I have a mixture of local shops and large about what you can do, not what you know. And I think
supermarkets and therefore I have the best of both that in schools these days with with teaching these
worlds. days across all subjects, they have a much greater
emphasis on vocational skills where school children learn
to think and they learn to apply their knowledge, which I
think can only be a good thing. When I was at school the
most important subjects were English and maths, and I
don't really think that's changed. Of course it's essential
to have, you know, good language and communication
skills, and a good grasp of, you know, at least basic
mathematics, whatever you end up doing in life. But, erm,
in addition to English and maths, I think it's become more
and more important to learn a foreign language. I think it
really opens up opportunities for work and travel, and I
really regret not studying harder in French class at
school. I left school without any foreign language
qualifications which, erm, which is a real shame. But you
know I shouldn't complain, I ended up with a career in
marketing which is stable and yes, you know, I find it
interesting and enjoyable, and you know, I'm I'm quite
good at it. But looking back, I wish I'd followed my heart
at bit more and not just my head. When I was at school, I
was really passionate about drama and the arts, but I
never studied it or pursued it. My parents always
encouraged me to be, you know, sensible and study
maths and sciences, which I did, and, you know I I
was quite good at those subjects but now, now I'm,
you know, I'm a bit older and wiser, one of the biggest
lessons I've learned in life is that you can if you can
find your passion in life, you should follow it whether it's
art or science or sport or economics, whatever, it will
inspire you and it will energise you and you're more likely
to be happier and fulfilled in life, and you're more likely to
be good at it too.
3
Theres a pretty strict career path for my field of work.
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various different hospital departments to build up A = Andreas, J = Jane (2)
experience. Thats what Im doing now, but eventually Id
like to specialise in heart operations. J: How are you, Andreas? What have you been
doing?
4 A: Oh Im fine. Ive been making plans! Im really
I used to work in an office but it was really boring, so I left excited.
and took a year out to retrain. The training I did was hard J: Oh? Really? Whats going on?
but I like the fact that this job is physically challenging A: Ive decided Im going to leave work and go
and that were providing a really vital emergency service back to college. Im planning to retrain and do
for people. something completely different.
J: Retrain? Really? What are you going to do?
5 A: Well, Ive always wanted to be a vet And
What I really like about my job is being able to help lifes too short you know, I want to get on
people. I mean, I get a great deal of job satisfaction from and do it now! I know its going to be tough. You
knowing that Ive helped individuals and families with know, its sure to be really hard work, but Ive
some pretty serious problems like having nowhere to decided Im just going to do it.
live. J: Wow, thats great. When are you going to start?
A: Well, it depends on being accepted on the
course this year. I have to take an exam first.
Im doing that in about three weeks time and
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J = Julia, M = Mark (1) start the course this coming September.
C: I really miss having colleagues, you know not J: Im not sure yet but as I say, I think Ill leave
going to a sociable workplace every day. So in the next month or so, even. I can use the
Ive applied for this job its to work for a small time to think about what to do next perhaps
firm of architects. Its a small open-plan office Ill do some voluntary work or something. One
and they seem really friendly on the phone. Im idea is to do some voluntary work abroad. Ive
meeting them at ten oclock tomorrow morning seen an ad recently and Im going to get some
and then having the interview in the afternoon. more information about it
H: Oh, well. Good luck. I hope you get it. M: You could research some stuff on the Internet
J: Yes. Thats a good idea! I think Ill go to the
library now and do it there. Its my lunch break
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J = John, T = Tom (4) M: Good idea! Let me know how you get on.
T: I think Im going to try and look for another job. A = Andreas, J = Jane (2)
J: Why? Dont you like where you are?
T: Yes, its OK. But I want to be promoted and J: How are you, Andreas? What have you been
take on more responsibility. I really want a more doing?
senior position now and there are lots of other A: Oh Im fine. Ive been making plans! Im really
people who I work with who are certain to get excited.
those jobs before me. J: Oh? Really? Whats going on?
J: Oh, you dont know that. A: Ive decided Im going to leave work and go
T: Well, I do. I think theyll offer Ania the job of back to college. Im planning to retrain and do
departmental manager. Shes really good and something completely different.
shes been there ages. J: Retrain? Really? What are you going to do?
J: OK but what about assistant manager? A: Well, Ive always wanted to be a vet And
T: No, Dominics going to be assistant manager. lifes too short you know, I want to get on
Hes a workaholic and a bit of a rising star, isnt and do it now! I know its going to be tough. You
he? Hes bound to get the job. Its obvious. Hes know, its sure to be really hard work, but Ive
being fast-tracked for it you can tell I decided Im just going to do it.
heard him talking to Miguel about it. J: Wow, thats great. When are you going to start?
J: Thats just because he wants the job you A: Well, it depends on being accepted on the
dont know if hell get it. course this year. I have to take an exam first.
Im doing that in about three weeks time and
then, if it all goes to plan, if I pass, Ill probably
start the course this coming September.
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collect rocks and other bits of rubbish from the building W: Mmm yes, I know what you mean, but
sites. Secretly, he took these things to a forest area although in theory, people spend about a third
outside the city and began to build his garden. It had to of their day at work eight hours or something
be done in secret because he was building on land which in reality, its often much longer. Your time
belonged to the government. gets swallowed up by having to work longer
hours. The fact is, I have a really busy work
At first, he spent time making walls and paths and schedule. I really do. You know, there are
buildings. And then he moved on to the second phase, pressures of deadlines and things, and I end up
creating over five thousand sculptures. These sculptures coming to work earlier and staying later so
provide an incredible array of different figures: people, the work-life balance gets a bit lost.
animals, birds and many other strange and wonderful M: Yes, true. Believe me, I know, its not easy, but
creatures. Each one is different and they are all made of I do think its possible to improve it. Its
material that had been thrown away. Chand recycles something that people need to work at, in a
anything he can find old bicycles, bricks, lumps of sense. You know, it might not just happen, if
concrete, broken plates, old sinks, electric plugs, pebbles you dont work at it you need to be quite
the list goes on. disciplined, in a way. My non-work life is really
important to me, so I make sure that I prioritise
Many people find that they waste a lot of time, but its it. Without a doubt, Id say that I work to live
amazing what you can do when you really want to. For and not the other way round. I want to be able
eighteen years, Chand worked on his secret garden. He to have spare time, you know, leisure time, and
made time to do a bit more every day after work and not be too tired to do anything with it!
every weekend. In fact, whenever he had time to spare W: Yeah. What do you like doing in your spare
he worked on this huge project that nobody else knew time?
about. Then after eighteen years, the garden was M: Well, I think it's important to make time for the
discovered by accident. At first, Chand was afraid that it fundamental things in life: family and friends,
would be destroyed as he had built it illegally on and relaxing on your own too, sort of recharging
government-owned land. But quickly, people became your batteries.
interested in it and the government realised that the W: Yes, I agree. Family and friends are the most
garden could become a tourist attraction. They paid important, for sure. What do you do then, you
Chand a small salary to work full-time on the project and know, to recharge your batteries?
one year later the Rock Garden was officially opened. M: Well, I go to the gym a lot. I find it a really good
way of relaxing, and keeping fit, of course. If I
Now it is one of Indias most popular tourist attractions dont have time to fit in at least three trips to the
with five thousand visitors every day. His huge gym every week, I begin to feel a bit anxious, I
achievement doesnt seem to have changed Chand at all, must say.
however. He told me, I am just doing my work. Everyone
has work they do. This is mine. He says his life is utterly
regular. I eat. I sleep. I work. Tomorrow morning, he will
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after, he will be doing the same. He says it makes him
happy, just doing it which is a good thing, because 1 The fact is, I have a really busy work schedule.
soon, he will have spent half a century just doing it. 2 I really do.
3 Believe me, I know, its not easy, but I do think its
possible to improve it.
4 Without a doubt, Id say that I work to live and not the
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M = Man, W = Woman 5 Family and friends are the most important, for sure.
1 Thank you for applying for the job and coming to the
CD 1 Track 34 interview today.
I = Interviewer, J = Joana (2) 2 Id like to ask you about your experience.
3 You say youve worked in an office before. Tell me
I: Ah, here you are about that.
J: Oh dear. Im so sorry 4 Im Peter Manning, and Ill be interviewing you today.
I: Lets see youre Joana, arent you? Joana 5 Can I start by asking you about your reasons for
Mendes? applying for the course?
J: Yes, thats right.
CD 1 Track 37 W: True, but its still a big risk, leaving a secure job
and the salary that goes with it. Are you really
I guess I am what you call an adrenaline junkie a bit of prepared for that?
a risk taker. I love to challenge myself but more in the M: Yes, I think I am. Ive got the experience and
outside world away from work. Erm, I like to try and give the motivation, and I really want to go for it.
myself things that I wouldn't normally do that might be a W: Well, Im impressed! Your confidence is
bit scary at the start, erm, to try and see whether I can do inspiring me! Maybe I should be braver with
them or not. This has included jumping out of an things and take a few more risks. Ive always
aeroplane, erm, doing rap jumping in Aus ... in New thought that if I were a different person, the
Zealand, which is like running down the front of a building characteristic Id like to have would be to be
face first, kind of like abseiling but in reverse. Erm, more of a risk-taker to have more confidence
swimming with sharks, all of those kind of things. I think in my own abilities and just go for things more.
it's just the thrill of doing something that you're so scared M: Well, you could. Just think about what you
of in the beginning, to accomplish it and do it is quite an really want to do, and really get yourself well-
achievement. And in that sense, erm, I definitely think it's prepared. You know, dont rush into things, but
good to take risks. Erm, I try and do some things at get prepared and do your research and Im
weekends as well, erm, like sea kayaking, abseiling, just sure you can do anything you want, if you want
to give myself a bit of excitement, and to be in an it enough.
environment that isn't as controlled as, ah, working life,
which has so many rules and regulations it gets a bit
boring.
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D = Daniel, W = Woman
D: Anyway, I wasnt allowed to go up before D: Yeah, it was really good. I loved it. I did two
having some brief general instructions. But more flights that day. I can see how sports like
thats all it was really no training as such. this are addictive. Id definitely like to do it
Then I got into the harness, they attached me to again. Next time, I think Id like to do some
the hang-glider. I was literally hanging in a training and go up alone. You should come with
lying-down position from the frame of the glider. me next time
It felt quite strange! Then a small plane pulled W: Erm, well, sounds a bit too scary for me.
the glider and me to the taking off position, D: Its not really. If I were you, Id just go for it. Its
and then up into the sky. Its really simple. not scary once youre up there being a
W: But really scary! spectator is probably worse!
D: Well, strangely, it didnt feel too scary at that W: Could you do a really low flight? I mean, are
point just exhilarating. We climbed higher and you allowed to go up just a little way above the
higher, until the gauge said we were at two ground not go up so high?
thousand feet thats about six hundred D: Erm no! I dont think so. I think that would be
metres! Then the plane let us loose and went much more dangerous. I mean, think of all the
back towards the field below. Once the plane things in your way buildings, trees
had gone, everything was silent you just hear W: I suppose so, yes. I hadnt thought of that.
the sound of wind rushing around your ears. It
was amazing!
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D: It looks incredible from up there you can see
beautiful fields and mountains, and lots of tiny 1 You could arrive anytime after eight in the morning.
specks which are houses and things! Anyway, 2 Were you allowed to just start without doing any
at one point, my instructor explained how to training?
steer. You just move your weight to one side in 3 I couldnt go straight up without any training at all
order to change direction. 4 You cant go up alone on your first time.
W: Did you do it? 5 You can go alone after doing a few flights with an
D: Yes, but, well yes I did, but it didnt just gently instructor.
change direction. The hang-glider suddenly 6 I wasnt allowed to go up before having some brief
went veering over to the left. general instructions.
W: Oh, maybe you shouldve moved a bit more 7 You shouldve moved a bit more gently.
gently. 8 You shouldnt have leaned so far then.
D: Yes, I think so, I mean, I did what he said. I 9 You should come with me next time.
leaned to the left. 10 If I were you, Id just go for it.
W: Mmm, maybe you shouldnt have leaned so far 11 Could you do a really low flight?
then. 12 Are you allowed to go up just a little way above the
D: Yes, anyway, it was fine. I just scared myself a ground?
bit! I was quite happy to give the controls back
to the instructor!
W: Yes!
D: After that we circled around the valley for about CD 1 Track 41
fifteen or twenty minutes. It was so beautiful L = Lidia, P = Paul
and calm up there.
W: What about the landing? P: So, did you go and see it?
D: Well, that was another bit that I was a bit scared L: See what?
about. As we got closer to the ground, I got a bit P: Million Dollar Baby you remember, you said
less calm! Suddenly the ground seemed to be you were going to get the DVD
rushing up towards me really quickly! But the L: Oh, yes, Million Dollar Baby you were right
instructor was really good and he landed the it was quite good.
glider really smoothly. And once the glider has P: Quite good!? Come on, it was really good. I
stopped, you just stand up and take off the think its a brilliant film.
harness. L: Do you? I do like Clint Eastwood but I suppose
W: Wow, great! Ive never really been that into films about
boxing.
P: OK, but its not really about boxing is it?
L: Isnt it? But one of the main characters runs a P: So, wheres the risk?
boxing gym, and the other wants to be a boxing L: Well, he gets to know his neighbour a
champion. teenager originally from South-east Asia. He
P: Thats all true, but theres a lot more to it than gets to know him by chance, really, when the
that. There are so many different themes boy tries to steal his beloved car. The risk then
running through the film. I mean, I thought the comes the emotional risk, as you say when
whole theme of risk was so interesting. Walt decides to become friends with him and
L: Risk? help him in various ways.
P: Well, you know at the beginning of the film, one P: Help him?
of Clint Eastwoods most promising boxers L: Yes, he gradually takes the boy under his wing
leaves him just as he has a chance to make the in a way. He teaches him a few things about life
big time. and helps him get a job. Its a risk, partly
L: Oh yes, thats right. Doesnt he go off with because of the violent gangs around, but I think
another promoter or something? mostly its a risk because the old man has to
P: Yeah, after years of training in the gym with the confront his own prejudice and racist ideas and
Clint Eastwood character. And actually, its get close emotionally to someone who
because Clint wont take a risk with him. previously, he had felt angry towards.
L: He wont put him up for a big championship P: Mmm. It sounds interesting.
fight and the other promoter will. L: Its a really, really good film. Id definitely
P: Exactly. The Clint character plays it safe. Hes recommend it. In fact, I think its the film Ive
just too cautious. And then this young woman enjoyed most this year. I think Clint Eastwood is
turns up and she turns out to be a really good an amazing actor and hes also an incredible
boxer and then he faces another risk. director. He directed and acted in both Million
L: You mean, hell train her up and then shell Dollar Baby and Gran Torino, didnt he? Theyre
leave him. such great films.
P: Exactly and that nearly does happen, doesnt P: Yes, well, I definitely want to see Gran Torino. It
it? sounds like such an interesting film. I think Ill
L: Oh yes, thats right, but she does stay with him try and get the DVD of it tomorrow.
in the end thank goodness!
P: Then theres a kind of emotional risk he takes
too. You remember how he keeps writing to his
daughter and never getting any replies? Hes CD 1 Track 42
upset about something, which we never really
find out about. 1
L: Mmm. I couldnt work out what all that was I do like Clint Eastwood but I suppose Ive never really
about. been that into films about boxing.
P: No, its not really clear. Anyway, I think theres a
growing emotional connection between him and 2
the woman boxer, and because of whatevers Thats all true, but theres a lot more to it than that. There
happened with his daughter it feels like theres are so many different themes running through the film. I
a big emotional risk too. mean, I thought the whole theme of risk was so
L: I see what you mean. I hadnt really looked at it interesting.
like that before, but now you say it Actually, it
reminds me of another Clint Eastwood film, 3
Gran Torino. Have you seen that? Oh yes, thats right, but she does stay with him in the
P: Oh no, I havent. Why, is that about risk too? end, thank goodness!
L: Well, its very different, but yes, I think theres
quite a lot about risk. Basically, its about an old 4
guy called Walt played by Clint Eastwood He directed and acted in both Million Dollar Baby and
who is an old war veteran. Hes quite bad- Gran Torino, didnt he? Theyre such great films.
tempered and bitter about the world. His wife Yes, well, I definitely want to see Gran Torino. It sounds
has just died, hes fallen out with his family and like such an interesting film.
doesnt get on with his neighbours or anything.
The only thing he likes is his car a beautiful
Gran Torino which he mostly keeps in his
garage. You know, he likes his car, but he
doesnt like, or trust, people.
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M = Man, W = Woman
CD 2 Track 2 CD 2 Track 5
skinny Eben
spiky Well, Im sure youve all heard that Switzerland is is as
slim beautiful as a postcard or one of those famous Swiss
stocky chocolate boxes with all the postcard pictures on it. Well,
snow I actually grew up in Geneva, Switzerland. I lived there
smile for all of my teen years starting at the age of 11. And like
sphere most teenagers, I wasnt terribly happy. The other
swim reputation, of course, that Switzerland does have is, you
know, that its, it its like clockwork. Its the perfect
place, natural beauty and lots of things to do. And as an
adult, I suppose I sometimes regret that I didnt
CD 2 Track 3 appreciate it when I was a teenager, when I was
younger. I had all the opportunity to live there. I couldve
scruffy stayed there and finished my university there, erm, but I
straight chose not to. Id I was more interested in going to
splash North America. But as a parent, and going there, and
sprint thats what this pictures about. This picture was actually
squash only taken a few years ago, of my family, standing, not at
one of my favourite spots, but certainly a spot that repre
represents Geneva to me. Its the lake, its the boats in
the background, and the Salve, thats the mountain.
CD 2 Track 4 Well, in many ways I feel that if Id settled there, you
M = Man, W = Woman know, as an adult, as a parent, that wouldve been the
ideal place, and to raise my children. All the things that
W: Oh look at these photos of Brad Pitt. He I took for granted, that I couldnt quite appreciate as a
used to look so different Id forgotten that he young person, I appreciate as a parent, and wouldve
used to have a beard! wanted, in a way, to give my kids the opportunity to to
M: A beard did he? experience life there. I suppose what it comes down to is,
W: Yeah, look. In this photo, hes got a really long, you know, although Im not Swiss, having lived there for
scruffy beard and long scruffy hair, too. I so many years, there is so much that Im attached to,
think he looks awful! What was he thinking of? including things, that you know, are part of the
Do you think it was for a film or something? community, the people. And those are the things that I
M: No, I dont think it was. I mean, I dont wouldve wanted to share with my kids and my wife, I
remember him looking like that in any films. guess.
W: No nor do I. Hmm. I mean, hes so good-
looking in this picture. I think he looks great
when hes clean-shaven and with short hair
He looks great. I really cant understand why he CD 2 Track 6
grew that beard. I mean, I dont mind the long I = Interviewer, J = Jeanette
hair so much although I do think he looks
better with short hair I: Well, Jeanette, these photographs on your wall
are really interesting. Can you tell me where
they're from?
J: Ah, they're from, ah, Kyoto actually. I used to
live, erm, very close to Kyoto and I'd often go at
the weekends and visit the temples and the
shrines and the gardens, and they were
absolutely exquisite. They were so beautiful, I
loved them so much. In fact I was going to
create, ah, a Japanese garden when I came
back to the UK, ah, but unfortunately, erm, we
didn't and I, I when I was there I would
would, ah, often take photographs, and to
remind me of different features and, erm, I
often, erm, bought looked for and bought,
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M = Man, W = Woman
CD 2 Track 11
M = Man, W = Woman M: OK, well, this is fun. Its quite exciting to think
that someone might open this up in a hundred
M: Hi what are you reading? years time.
W: Oh, its 1984 by George Orwell. Its really good. W: Yes, and see what kinds of things we had. I
Have you read it? wonder if they would be able to work out what
M: No I havent. Ive heard of it but I havent the things were
read it. I would like to read more books in M: Mmm well, what things shall we put in? I
English though My teacher is always saying mean, five things thats not many. We have
that its a really good way of improving your to try to decide on five really good things to try
English. and show our world as it is now.
W: Yes, thats true. Obviously, you can improve W: Yes. OK, well, I think we should include a globe
your reading skills by reading a lot, but you can so that they can see what the world looked like.
also learn a lot of vocabulary and improve I mean, whoever opens this thing up can see
your writing. how the world was divided up. I mean, because
M: The problem for me is that I find extended in one hundred or one thousand years time, the
reading in English very difficult theres always world might look very different.
so much I dont understand that I get frustrated M: OK, yes, good idea. And in my opinion, we
and then give up. should also include a sort of everyday thing.
W: Yes, me too I think a lot of students feel like You know, like, maybe some typical clothes in
that Its really frustrating when you want to order to show something about daily life.
look everything up in a dictionary all that time! W: Like a pair of jeans, or something?
But there are some techniques you can use M: Yes, jeans would be good, since most people
some ways of improving your reading so you nowadays own at least one pair of jeans, dont
wont find it so difficult they?
M: Mmm? Like what? W: Yes, true. OK, well, what else then?
was found by chance at a second-hand sale W: Well, first of all, Id just like to complain about
and bought for just seventy-five dollars. The how long it took to deliver. I mean, you
owner then sold it at an auction and ended up promised on the site that delivery would be
getting around twenty-five thousand dollars for within three days but in the end, I waited two
it! weeks and to be honest, I dont think thats
P: Amazing! What about celebrities, too? They can acceptable.
make a lot of money, cant they? You know, M: Oh, Im terribly sorry about that. We did have
selling their clothes or other items. Huge sums some problems with the stock and so it took a
of money have been paid for all sorts of things. little longer than usual I can only offer my
E: Absolutely, yes. Some huge numbers which apologies for that.
spring to mind are: something in the region of W: Well, it wouldve been better if youd let me
one point two million dollars was paid for one of know beforehand about any possible delays.
Marilyn Monroes dresses, and erm, oh, one of M: Yes, I do apologise for that.
Michael Jacksons gloves, covered in jewels, W: Well, anyway, I wouldve been OK with the
was bought for three hundred and fifty thousand delayed delivery if the TV had been in perfect
dollars by thirty-six-year-old Hong Kong condition when it arrived, but Im afraid to say
businessman Hoffman Ma. Apparently, it will that it is far from perfect.
now be displayed in a hotel in China. M: Oh?
P: Sometimes, things really do get a bit ridiculous, W: Yes, the top left corner of the TV is slightly
though, too. I mean, you hear about people damaged and the on/off switch is loose.
paying huge prices for, well, crazy items M: Is the TV itself working? I mean, can you turn it
E: Well, thats right. When it comes to being a on and is the picture clear?
superfan, people want everything and anything. W: Yes, it is. Its fine in that respect but given
Erm, for example, a clump of Elvis Presleys that this is a brand new TV and cost a lot of
hair, which they say was cut from his head money, Im not prepared to accept damaged
when he joined the Army in 1958, well, it was goods, and Id be grateful if you could send a
sold for fifteen thousand dollars! replacement as soon as possible please.
P: Really fifteen thousand? M: Well, well send someone to pick up the faulty
E: And apparently, this is amazing. When Justin TV as soon as possible and then when weve
Timberlake finished a breakfast interview at a got that back in the warehouse, Ill send out a
New York radio station, the interviewer put the replacement.
left over toast on the Internet auction site, eBay. W: Well, OK, but when could you pick this TV up?
Lots of people bid for it, and in the end it was M: Erm, let me look, erm, next Thursday we
bought by a fan for three thousand one hundred could do it next Thursday.
and fifty-four dollars! W: Next Thursday? Thats over a week from now!
P: Thats just mad! Cant you do it any earlier than that? I mean,
E: Yes, although I think the worst one Ive ever Ive already waited nearly two weeks And
heard of is a used tissue, yes, a used tissue, how can I be sure that youll come on
which the actress Scarlett Johansson used to Thursday? I dont want to be waiting around
blow her nose on was sold on eBay for five and then nobody turns up.
thousand three hundred dollars! M: I can assure you that well definitely stick to the
P: Wow, yes, I think that is the worst. Thats really appointment and Ill send you an email to
ridiculous and quite disgusting! What on earth confirm it.
would you do with that?! W: Oh, well. OK, if thats all youve got, yes, next
Thursday, and yes, could you send me an
email, please, confirming that?
M: Yes, of course. So, next Thursday between
CD 2 Track 16 eight and six, someone will come and collect
M = Man, W = Woman the faulty TV. Thats all booked for you. And
then, as I say, well contact you to arrange a
M: Hello, Electrical Solutions? time to deliver the replacement TV.
W: Oh, hello, my names Ella Fernandez and I W: OK, fine. Well, thank you for your help.
recently bought a TV from your website. M: And thank you. And once again, I can only
M: Mmm? apologise for the problems youve had.
W: It was the Panasonic thirty-two inch W: OK. Thank you. Goodbye.
widescreen, and it was delivered yesterday. M: Bye.
M: Oh, yes, I hope there are no problems?
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M = Man, W = Woman
1
1
I cant believe the trouble Ive had over this jacket I
W: Well, first of all, Id just like to complain about bought on the Internet. It was unusual because Ive
how long it took to deliver. I mean, you ordered stuff from the same company before and never
promised on the site that delivery would be had one single problem. But this time, I ordered a
within three days but in the end, I waited two waterproof rain jacket and when it came it was an extra-
weeks and to be honest, I dont think thats large, even though Id ordered medium. When I sent it
acceptable. back, the same thing happened. I sent it back about three
M: Oh, Im terribly sorry about that. We did have or four times. So, eventually I phoned the customer
some problems with the stock and so it took a services department, but the man I spoke to was so rude
little longer than usual I can only offer my I couldnt believe it. Throughout the whole conversation,
apologies for that. he spoke to me in a sort of bored, monotonous voice and
clearly wasnt interested in my problem at all. He didnt
2 even apologise!
calm when I have to give a presentation, is it preparation, and get a lot of help with staying
the same for you, or do you ? focused on winning.
E: Yeah, I think it's because I know exactly what P: OK, so what do the sports psychologists do?
has to be done. Erm, whereas in a social How do you help people to succeed?
situation, it's maybe, you have to improvise a T: Well, my basic job is to prepare the mind
little bit more and feel it out, whereas at work and, well, I can do this in different ways
you have to get a task done, so you do what depending on who were working with. One of
you have to do. the most important things I do is that I can help
M: I can understand, if I have to give some kind of people change negative thoughts into positive
presentation I find you've got, you've got, ah, ones. I did some work with a footballer recently.
ah, something to follow, so you know what He missed an important goal. You know, he
you're going to say. missed a goal in a big match and he was
E: Right. devastated and he started thinking that he
M: So it's better. couldnt do it anymore. I told him he could do it
E: Absolutely. by thinking about something different, not on
missing the goal. After practising thinking about
the way the ball was turning instead, his whole
game improved dramatically.
CD 2 Track 22 P: The British runner Kelly Holmes is a good
P = Presenter, T = Tony example of that too, isnt she?
T: Yes, thats right. For much of her career, she
P: Today on Sports Alive, we are talking about was constantly getting injured and then
success and achievement in sport. Who are the worrying that it would happen again. I
most successful sportspeople in the world and remember that she admitted feeling really out of
just how do they achieve their success? There control when she got injured all the time. But
is a huge sports psychology industry working the fact is, athletes have to get over that and
with almost all athletes these days. But does it start to take control mentally. Thats exactly
work? Is it all really necessary? Weve got what she did and then of course won two gold
sports psychologist, Tony Greenwood, here to medals at the Athens Olympics and she was
help us answer these questions. Hello, Tony. absolutely ecstatic I mean, it was obviously a
Welcome to the programme. fantastic achievement!
T: Hello P: Yes, she was really brilliant!
P: So, first of all, Tony, lets think about that T: There are other things we can do to help with
question. Is sports psychology really mental preparation too. Things like routines to
necessary? I mean, if I pay for a sports get the players focused and working as a team
psychologist, will he or she really help me win? can really help.
Some people would say that youve either got P: Routines? What do you mean?
the determination to succeed or you havent. T: Well, the New Zealand All Blacks rugby team
What do you think? do their Haka war dance to focus themselves
T: Well, I suppose thats sometimes true. There and to try and worry the other teams. Then
are examples of sports people who are there are people who have their own personal
extremely successful and have never needed lucky routines. Footballer, Andy Cole, said he
any help with their mental determination. You always wanted to be the last player on the
know, for some people, winning is vital. pitch. It might seem a bit silly, but if it works
Mohamed Ali was probably the most famous of
all those people. He had huge self-belief he
totally believed that he was the best and
absolutely unbeatable.
P: Thats right. Nobody needed to remind him to
focus on his goal!
T: No and then there are other examples of
sportspeople who seem to be really committed
to their own success: tennis player Roger
Federer, racing driver Michael Schumacher and
basketball player Michael Jordan to name but a
few. But these people are actually quite rare
most sportspeople do a lot of work on mental
CD 2 Track 26 8 Are you good at putting up with noise when you are
trying to sleep? What else annoys you?
Thank you so much for returning all the surveys to us. 9 Were you ever put in for music exams when you were a
We have now had a chance to look at all your responses child? Or any other exams?
and here are the collated results. So, first, for question 10 When you were a child, was there anyone you wanted
one thirteen out of twenty people admitted spending to catch up with? What about now?
three or more hours a day on the computer, which adds
up to over twenty hours a week. The majority claimed to
use the computer largely for studying, although seventy-
five percent of the group also said that they used the CD 2 Track 28
computer for fun, doing things like playing games and C = Caroline, E = Eliot, P = Polly
communicating with friends. Moving on to question two
for this one, everyone suggested restricting the E: For me, erm, Richard Branson would be
number of hours that children spend on the computer. someone I consider a success, considering he
Most people said that an hour a day was the maximum started off with a small company, and basically
amount of time that children under the age of twelve turned it into a huge multinational, erm,
should be sitting in front of a computer. However, nearly corporation, erm. How would you define
half the group admitted that it was quite difficult to success, would you agree with that statement?
enforce this, and that many children had to do homework C: Mm, yeah, I think I I have similar, erm, ideas
using a computer. Nobody thought that children should about success, erm, yeah I think it's definitely to
never use a computer at home. OK, so, now question do with your wealth and how far you progress in
three computer classes for children under the age of your career, erm, I think the best thing is
five for this one, only a small minority were in favour of probably when you attain the goals that you've
computer classes for toddlers The vast majority set yourself which usually end up in success.
confirmed my own feelings on this one, and that is, that P: Well, erm, I kind of agree with you that, erm,
very young children should not use computers at all, and it's about how how well you do and, erm, how
should be encouraged to be active and play with their much you progress, but not necessarily about
friends. This leads us on to question number four, and your wealth so, erm, Richard Branson has been
the link between obesity and computer use in children. really successful and because of the nature of
Reports have warned us about the link and most people his business that's made him really wealthy but
who answered the survey seemed to agree. Eighty you could have, erm, say, erm, I don't know,
percent confirmed that they thought there was a definite erm, an artist who, erm, had a huge talent and
link, and that the longer children spent in front of a made fantastic paintings and therefore they
computer, the more likely they were to be overweight. A were successful but, erm, maybe they weren't
few people, however, disagreed, saying that obesity is a gonna make any money until after their death.
complex issue with a number of contributing factors. So they still have, erm, had a huge
achievement but not be that wealthy, but maybe
still as successful as someone who's made lots
of money.
CD 2 Track 27 C: Mm, yeah you're right I mean another, erm,
means of success, obtaining success success
1 Is there anything you are really looking forward to doing I suppose is, erm, through your family, erm,
over the next few weeks? If so, what? having loyal friends and, erm, a big family some
2 Are you good at coming up with good ideas for people consider that being successful.
presents for people? Are you particularly pleased with E: I think it's good to have, erm, strong relationships
any of them? that you surround yourself with, erm, regardless
3 Do you think you need to cut down on the amount of of your social status or how well you do in a
salt you eat? What else? career, erm, for some people you know they're
4 Is there anyone that you really look up to? If so, who quite happy just to have a strong marriage or a
and why? strong personal relationship with a close knit of
5 If you forgot someones birthday, how would you make people. And money and, erm, social status really
up for it? How do you feel if someone forgets your doesn't come into it.
birthday?
6 Did you do anything naughty when you were a child
that you got away with? If so, what was it?
7 How good are you at keeping up with your homework?
What about other tasks or work?
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I = Interviewer, S = Sherlock J = Jane, S = Stefan
I: Mr Sherlock Holmes, I must ask you first how is J: So what do we have to decide?
it that you have the same name as Sherlock S: We have to decide which of these crimes is the
Holmes, the great detective from London? least serious and which is the most serious.
S: Please, call me Holmes thats what my friends J: Right, OK. Mm.
and family call me. Well, you see, my parents were S: So, why don't we start by talking about them
great fans of the original Conan Doyle stories. individually perhaps, first?
They were the kind of parents who would spend J: Yes that's a good idea. OK, erm, right shall we
hours reading to me and my father, especially, shall we start with Paolo?
would spend hours reading the Sherlock Holmes S: Let's go for it, yeah. Any thoughts?
adventures to me even as a child. J: I think this is quite a serious crime hacking
I: Really!? into somebody's bank account. Erm, for me that
S: Yes and when I was born, they discussed a would rate quite highly on the scale of being
number of first names. They wanted to give their one of the most serious crimes and I haven't
son a name that was uncommon but also that seen the others yet, but
represented something special. They didnt take S: And it's not mitigated at all by the fact that he's
long to decide on Sherlock Holmes as he was their unemployed? The man's desperate?
favourite literary figure and they knew no one J: Not really, not in my opinion. No.
would forget me once theyd heard my name. And S: And I suppose thousands of euros' worth I
boy, were they right! suppose
I: So, how do people in general react when you J: I'd like to suspend judgement until we've gone
introduce yourself to them? through the, you know, the other three.
S: Well, I get all kinds of reactions, really everything S: So, moving on to Jenny who's thirty-five and
from the usual Wheres Dr Watson? type married with two children. Sounds like it's
comments to people just thinking Im being funny. gonna make a difference.
I: I can imagine. And do you mind? J: Well, if she's married then she's obviously got a
S: No, not at all. Im a pretty easy-going person and husband who supports them.
Ive never minded no. I think the best reaction S: Well presumably. I guess we don't know.
was when I was in San Francisco one time. I went J: So why is she shoplifting, that's the that's the
into an electronic store to buy a TV. The clerk question, erm
behind the counter was a young lady about S: Kleptomania perhaps, erm
eighteen or so. After noticing the name on my J: Shall we shall we come back to this one?
credit card, she stared at it for about ten full Let's come back to this one later.
seconds. Then, she slowly lifted her face to look at S: Erm, yeah that's, ah I'm mildly dubious. Akio.
me and she said, in all sincerity, I didnt know you J: Akio.
were real! Wait til I tell my friends I saw the real S: Erm, a graffiti artist, a young graffiti artist. Well
Sherlock Holmes!
I: No! J: For me this is not really a crime.
S: Yes! It may sound far-fetched, but its absolutely S: Really? Not at all?
true You could have knocked her over with a J: No.
feather. The expression on her face was as if shed S: But the depending on the type of graffiti, I
seen a ghost. It was very amusing. suppose.
I: Given your name, do you feel that you have any J: Oh I suppose, so if it's offensive, then that's a
special talent or ability to solve mysteries in different matter.
everyday life? S: His graffiti apparently is well done and quite
S: Well, I will say that having such a name does artistic but, ah, beauty in the eye of the
mean that people often turn to me if anything beholder and what not, so
unusual happens. For example, if Im watching TV J: Mm, it is art though.
with a friend or family member and a magician S: You think all graffiti is art?
comes on and does some kind of trick all eyes J: Not all graffiti, not the offensive graffiti but if it's
turn to me to explain how its done. as it says here, erm, well done and quite artistic
I: Really? How funny! it can actually lift the urban environment.
S: Interesting.
J: So for me that's probably going to be one of the
least crimes.
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1 I myself have never been hypnotised but I know people I: What do you think of mind-reading by people
who have. like Derren Brown?
6 Id like to speak to the doctor himself, not the M2: From my point of view, I have to say that when I
receptionist. went to one his shows, I thought it was
8 The course itself wasnt very good, but I loved the fantastic. I loved every minute of it. I mean, at
teacher. the beginning I was quite open-minded about it
all but having seen him in action, Im convinced
that he really does have some kind of power.
As I say, Ive seen this man in action with my
CD 2 Track 38 own eyes. Hes a magician, I can tell you. Right
I = Interviewer, M1 = Man 1, M2 = Man 2, W = Woman in front of me, with absolutely no special effects
or pre-filming, he did mind-reading on me. He
1 predicted my answers to every question he
asked me. It was amazing and almost a bit
I: How do you feel about Derren Brown? scary. In fact, I suspect that a lot of people dont
W: Well, I reckon hes probably genuine myself. It believe hes doing anything just because they
sounds as if audiences love him. Whether its are quite scared about the whole thing.
magic or not, all his TV shows are completely
compelling viewing and you cant say that
about much TV these days. So even if we dont
really understand how he does it, if you ask me, CD 2 Track 39
it doesnt really matter. He must be doing E = Expert, I = Interviewer
something right! I think Derren Brown gives us
real entertainment and theres nothing wrong I: Welcome to Modern World. On the programme
with that. Some people want to know how today, were talking to Jo Carlson about the
everything works, but Im in favour of just power of persuasion. All around us, there are
enjoying it as entertainment, and not analysing images on television, jingles on the radio,
things too much! adverts in magazines, sound bites on the news,
offers in the shops. Theyre all hard at work
2 trying to make us believe something or
persuading us to buy something. Fear not,
I: What are your views on mind-reading and however, Jo Carlson is here to reveal their
illusionists? Do you have any strong feelings secrets and show us how to resist all this
about that kind of thing? persuasion! Hello, Jo.
M1: Yes, I do. Ive always believed that people like E: Hello.
Derren Brown are just good showmen. To my I: First, persuading people is big business, isnt it?
mind, its all rubbish hes just good at talking I mean, supermarkets and politicians,
and charming people, and also filming things so advertisers and salespeople, they all take it
they look spectacular. But, I have my doubts very seriously, dont they?
about how much mind-reading he actually does. E: Yes. They spend a lot of money on marketing
I mean, whats the point of pretending to predict and on working out the best psychological tricks
lottery numbers when really hes filmed himself to guarantee that even the most cautious
picking out every number and then theyve among us are open to manipulation.
edited the correct ones together at the last I: Lets take supermarkets then. How do they
minute? Im sceptical that any of it is real and make us buy things we dont necessarily want?
Im against people paying for a show which is What are some of their tricks?
really just a con. I mean, I doubt anything he E: Well, firstly, most supermarkets have a
does is real its just clever filming. transition zone as you enter the shop. You
might have noticed that the entrances of most
supermarkets are quite small and crowded
I: Yes ?
E: Well, this is a deliberate effort to slow people
down. The supermarkets want you to stop
rushing around and take longer with your
shopping.
A: Yeah, well, Ive just been looking at it in the A: Well, what have you got to lose? Come on
shop and I really like it. But, you know, I itll be fun. It might cheer you up a bit!
dont really need a phone J: Oh, alright then. Lets go!
Z: Oh, but youve had your phone for ages its
pretty out-of-date now, isnt it? Go on treat
yourself!
A: Do you think I should? CD 2 Track 41
Z: Yes, you should just do it. Dont worry about
things so much. Is it really expensive or 1 Go on treat yourself!
something? 2 You should just do it.
A: Well, its more than Im paying at the moment. 3 Go for it then!
You know, Im on a contract, so it would be a 4 Supposing you dont get it, how will you feel?
little bit more every month but you get the 5 If I were you, Id just do it!
phone itself free, if you go on the contract. 6 You deserve it!
Z: Well, go for it then! If its only a bit more money 7 Im sure you wont regret it.
well, its not a huge deal, is it? 8 Im sure youll enjoy it.
A: Mmm 9 Theres nothing else, unless you want to get a DVD?
Z: I mean, supposing you dont get it, how will you 10 What have you got to lose?
feel? If I were you, Id just do it! 11 Come on!
A: Yeah, maybe I should 12 Itll be fun.
Z: Definitely you deserve it! Im sure you wont
regret it.
A: OK then. I will. Thanks, Zo.
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A = Alex, J = Jamie