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The truth about Solar Panel performance and temperature

January 21, 2011 by Finn Peacock

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How does the Aussie heat affect your solar panel performance?

One of the main factors that makes Solar Power so popular over here (apart from the Aussie Pollies throwing wads of money at in in the form of Solar rebates and Solar Feed In Tariffs) is the fact that the Sun is so damn strong down here.

It’s not rocket science to work out why Solar Power hasn’t really taken off in less sunny climes like my homeland; grey, drizzly old England.

In fact the same 1.5kW system on a roof of my Mum’s quaint cottage in Northern England will produce 45% less energy than if it was on my roof here in Sunny Adelaide.

So does that mean the more sun the better, when it comes to generating Solar Power?

That would kind of make sense right?

Unfortunately, as with most things in this life, it is a bit more complicated than that.

In fact when it comes to solar power you can have too much sun.

Say What?!?

The problem is, most solar panels’ power outputs start to degrade if the temperature of the panel goes over about 25°C.

This is why, if you look at the specification label on a solar panel, most manufacturers quote the solar power output at a panel temperature of 25degC.

So does that mean that if it is 25°C outside and a clear blue sky then your panels will be performing to their rated output?

Err… no.

Because, if the air temperature outside is 25°C, that dark solar panel baking on your roof is going to be closer to 50°C.

So how much solar power will you be losing on a 25°C day if the panel manufacturer has quoted power output at a solar panel temperature of 25°C?

To work that out we need to know the solar panel’s “Max Power Temperature Coefficient”,

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which should be on the solar panel’s specification sheet.

A typical value for this is 0.4% per °C.

Which means that for every degree that the solar panel is above 25°C the power will fall

0.4%.

So on a cool 25°C day where the panel is cooking at 50°C, you will be losing 10% of your solar power.

Here’s the calc:

0.4% x (50°C -25°C) = 0.4% x 25°C = 10%

And on days when the mercury breaks 40°C you can be losing close to 20% of your solar power.

Which is why you can often find that on the hottest days those solar panels on your roof are actually producing less solar power than usual.

If you are looking for solar panels that perform well in hot Australian weather, then here’s

a list of some popular solar panel brands and their temperature coefficients, the best

performing (temperature-wise) are at the top. (If I’ve left out your favourite panel – let me know via the commments and I’ll get it added!)

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UniSolar

PVL-68

-0.21

UniSolar

PVL-124

-0.21

UniSolar

PVL-128

-0.21

UniSolar

PVL-136

-0.21

UniSolar

PVL-144

-0.21

Sanyo

HIT-195DA3

-0.29

Sanyo

HIT-190DA3

-0.30

Sanyo

HIT-205NKHA1

-0.34

Sanyo

HIT-210NKHA1

-0.34

Sanyo

HIT-215NKHA1

-0.34

SunPower

SPR-210-BLK

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-215-WHT

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-225-BLK

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-230-WHT

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-305-WHT

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-310-WHT

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-315-WHT

-0.38

SunPower

SPR-318E-WHT-D

-0.38

Canadian

CS6A-150PE

-0.42

Canadian

CS6A-160PE

-0.42

Canadian

CS6P-170PE

-0.42

Kyocera

KD135GX-LPU

-0.42

CEEG

SST 160-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 165-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 170-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 265-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 175-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 270-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 180-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 275-72M

-0.42

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CEEG

SST 280-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 235-60M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 185-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 285-72M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 240-60M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 245-60M

-0.42

CEEG

SST 250-60M

-0.42

Canadian

CS6A-160P

-0.43

Canadian

CS6A-170P

-0.43

Canadian

CS6A-180P

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-180PE

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-190PE

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-200P

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-200PE

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-210P

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-220P

-0.43

Canadian

CS6P-230P

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-200-fa2

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-200-fa3

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-205-fa2

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-205-fa3

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-210-fa2

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-210-fa3

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-215-fa2

-0.43

Evergreen

ES-A-215-fa3

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M215SG

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M194SF

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M218SG

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M197SF

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M221SG

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M200SF

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M224SG

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M203SF

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M227SG

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M206SF

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M230SG

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M209SF

-0.43

Hyundai

HiS-M212SF

-0.43

Kyocera

KD205GX-LPU

-0.43

Kyocera

KD185GX-LPU

-0.43

Kyocera

KD210GX-LPU

-0.43

Kyocera

KD215GX-LPU

-0.43

Tianwei

TW175(35)D

-0.43

Tianwei

TW180(35)D

-0.43

Tianwei

TW185(35)D

-0.43

Conergy

Conergy P 185M

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 160

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 165

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 170

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 175

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 180

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 185

-0.44

Day4 Energy

Day4 48MC 190

-0.44

Tianwei

TW210(28)P

-0.44

Tianwei

TW215(28)P

-0.44

Tianwei

TW220(28)P

-0.44

Tianwei

TW225(28)P

-0.44

Tianwei

TW230(28)P

-0.44

Tianwei

TW235(28)P

-0.44

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Canadian

CS5A-160M

-0.45

Canadian

CS5A-170M

-0.45

Canadian

CS5A-180M

-0.45

Canadian

CS5P-220M

-0.45

Canadian

CS5P-230M

-0.45

Canadian

CS5P-240M

-0.45

Conergy PowerPlus

Conergy

220P

-0.45

Conergy

Conergy Black 225PA -0.45

Conergy PowerPlus

Conergy

225P

-0.45

Conergy

Conergy Black 230PA -0.45

Conergy

Conergy P 230PA

-0.45

Conergy

Conergy P 235PA

-0.45

SCHOTT

POLY 220

-0.45

SCHOTT

POLY 225

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P170

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P175

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P180

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P185

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P190

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P210

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P215

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P195

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P220

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P200

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P225

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P205

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P230

-0.45

Solarfun

SF190-27-P210

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P235

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P240

-0.45

Solarfun

SF220-30-P245

-0.45

SunPower

SER-228P

-0.45

Trina

TSM-165DA01

-0.45

Trina

TSM-170DA01

-0.45

Trina

TSM-220PA05

-0.45

Trina

TSM-220DA05

-0.45

Trina

TSM-175DA01

-0.45

Trina

TSM-180DA01

-0.45

Trina

TSM-230PA05

-0.45

Trina

TSM-230DA05

-0.45

Trina

TSM-185DA01

-0.45

Trina

TSM-240PA05

-0.45

Trina

TSM-240DA05

-0.45

ET Solar

ET-P672255

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P654190

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P654195

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P672260

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P660220

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P654200

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P672265

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P660225

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P654205

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P672270

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P660230

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P672275

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P654210

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-P672280

-0.46

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ET Solar

ET-P660235

-0.46

REC

REC215PE-US

-0.46

REC

REC215PE

-0.46

REC

REC220PE-US

-0.46

REC

REC220PE

-0.46

REC

REC225PE-US

-0.46

REC

REC225PE

-0.46

REC

REC230PE-US

-0.46

REC

REC230PE

-0.46

REC

REC235PE-US

-0.46

REC

REC235PE

-0.46

ET Solar

ET-M572165

-0.47

ET Solar

ET-M572170

-0.47

ET Solar

ET-M572175

-0.47

ET Solar

ET-M572180

-0.47

ET Solar

ET-M572185

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-150WP

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-155WP

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-160WP

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-165WP

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-170WP

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-175WP

-0.47

Ningbo

MP-180WP

-0.47

Suntech

STP260-24/Vb-1

-0.47

Suntech

STP200-18/Ub-1

-0.47

Suntech

STP205-18/Ud

-0.47

Suntech

STP270-24/Vb-1

-0.47

Suntech

STP270-24/Vd

-0.47

Suntech

STP275-24/Vd

-0.47

Suntech

STP210-18/Ub-1

-0.47

Suntech

STP210-18/Ud

-0.47

Suntech

STP280-24/Vb-1

-0.47

Suntech

STP280-24/Vd

-0.47

Solarfun

SF160-24-P165

-0.48

Solarfun

SF160-24-P170

-0.48

Solarfun

SF160-24-P175

-0.48

Suntech

STP175S-24/Ab-1

-0.48

Suntech

STP180S-24/Ab-1

-0.48

Suntech

STP185S-24/Ab-1

-0.48

Sharp

ND-200UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-123UJF

-0.49

Sharp

NE-165UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-167UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-208UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-130UJF

-0.49

Sharp

NE-170UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-176UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-216UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-U216C1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-198UC1

-0.49

Sharp

NT-175UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-220UC1

-0.49

Sharp

NU-U180FC

-0.49

Sharp

ND-224UC1

-0.49

Sharp

ND-U224C1

-0.49

Sharp

NU-U208FC

-0.49

Sharp

ND-U230C1

-0.49

Sharp

NU-U230F3

-0.49

Sharp

ND-187UC1

-0.49

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Sharp

NU-U235F3

-0.49

Sharp

NU-U235F1

-0.49

Sharp

NU-U240F1

-0.49

BP

BP 3210N

-0.50

BP

BP 3215B

-0.50

BP

BP3220T

-0.50

BP

BP3220N

-0.50

BP

BP3225T

-0.50

BP

BP3225N

-0.50

BP

BP3230T

-0.50

BP

BP3230N

-0.50

BP

BP 4175T

-0.50

BP

BP 4175B

-0.50

BP

BP 4180T

-0.50

REC

REC205AE-US

-0.50

REC

REC210AE-US

-0.50

REC

REC215AE-US

-0.50

REC

REC220AE-US

-0.50

REC

REC225AE-US

-0.50

REC

REC230AE-US

-0.50

Samsung ElectronicsLPC235SM-02

-0.52

Samsung ElectronicsLPC238SM-02

-0.52

Samsung ElectronicsLPC241SM-02

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COMMENTS

brandon williams says:

February 1, 2011 at 5:44 am

Golden Solar GS 50E has a Pmax of -.22

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Gordon Norris says:

Gordon Norris says:

May 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Hi Finn What would be the temperature coefficient of the Bosch Solar Panels, actually manufactured in Germany. I am looking at a 5Kw system to be installled in my WA Home on a North & North East facing roof. Using the Sunnyboy 5Kw inverter. Could you also add the Bosche Panels please?

Many thanks & king rgds.

 

Gordon

 
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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

May 16, 2012 at 12:54 pm

Hi Gordon the Bosch are excellent in the heat their temp coeffs vary from 0.33 to 0.46 depending on the model.

If you split a system over 2 roof areas be sure to do this:

 

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/solar-panels-on-roofs-facing-different-

directions-then-you-need-to-do-this/

 
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kurt says:

  kurt says:

January 15, 2014 at 1:13 pm

G’Day Finn Looking at A/C panels and system from Queensland Renewable Energy Do you know of the pros and cons of a/c compared to d/c .Would like to know your thoughts. Regards KURT

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

January 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm

No problem!

Here are the pros and cons of AC vs DC

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/microinverters-vs-central-inverters-

infographic/ if you like infographics

and

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/inverters/micro/ if you prefer more details

Joel says:

Joel says:

May 31, 2014 at 8:25 am

Hi Finn. Wondering your thoughts on current Simax panels? Im tossing up btw 4.5kw systems. Simax panels and sma inverter or tdg aps. Both about 8 grand. Am leaning towards Simax/sma system just unsure about quality of these panels.

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

June 2, 2014 at 5:31 pm

Simax are Tier 3 panels according to the classifications I use – but I know a number of good installers that really rate them and have been using them for years without problems. They tell me they get good backup from the manufacturer and great power output.

Lynley says:

Lynley says:

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August 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      August 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm

Hi Finn

Just wondering what your thoughts were on Solarworld WA GY250P-60 solar panels? We are looking at a 1.5kw system??

Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

August 19, 2014 at 6:23 pm

Solarworld are very good, Tier 1 panels.

BarleySinger says:

BarleySinger says:

August 28, 2015 at 10:19 pm

I have the info on the SIMAX 250W for temp but it gives more than one Coefficient. I assume that “Pmax” is the Max Power Coefficient.

Temperature Coefficients

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Nominal Operating Cell Temperature(NOCT) 45±2°C

Temperature Coefficient of Pmax -0.39% / °C Temperature Coefficient of Voc -0.34% / °C Temperature Coefficient of Isc 0.036% / °C

“Voc” = -0.39% (pretty close to what the example showed)

HOWEVERnote that they measure “normal temp” at 25°C on most panels (which got plugged into that formula) . but THIS panel is measured at 45±2°C.

That ought to mean that they are a lot better in the heat. In fact at 42°C (±2°C) we ought to have full output.

Ross says:

Ross says:

March 15, 2013 at 6:19 pm

Hello Gordon, Did you end up with the Bosch panels with the Sma 5kw ? If yes which model panels and are you willing to advise what the price was fully installed ? Cheers

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Billy says:

  Billy says:

March 22, 2013 at 9:40 am

I have just signed with a smaller company and I am getting the 5kW SMA

inverter and the Stella Bosch panels

I had 5 companies come around and

found the smaller guy a lot better to deal with. His total price was a tad over

8000.

 

Very good price I think? Have you had any prices Ross?

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Marty Burgess says:

Marty Burgess says:

July 24, 2013 at 11:54 pm

The way forward with this issue might be to see the excess heat as a resource and harvest it. The University of Wollongong and TAFE NSW Illawarra Institute have built a zero energy house in which the heat is harvested thereby optimising the efficiency of the panels. A pump moves the heat to under the house where “phase change material’ stores the heat until its required for other purposes (eg heating rooms during the night).

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Karl Jensen says:

Karl Jensen says:

April 15, 2011 at 9:05 pm

Unfortunately thats only about 1/10 of the story when it comes to the right panel for the job.

Sure temp co-efficients matter but if the thin film panels take up 3x the space then you can only fit 1/3 the panels.

you take the CEC advice you should oversize the array in respect to the panels by 20%. the example given uses 2.6KW panels for 2KW inverter.

If

This accounts for temp derating in typical conditions and hence little or no energy is “lost” but the inverter can work in its “sweet spot” for efficiency. Unfortunately most systems even with the best components are poorly designed which has more of an impact than the panel temp co-efficients.

A

decent bird poo on a panel can knock down output as much as 20% from the whole

array, hence we need some perspective here.

 
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Steve says:

  Steve says:

July 22, 2013 at 6:07 pm

All solar panels have bypass diodes this means if one panel is partially shaded only that panels output is reduced not the whole arrays!

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

July 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm

Hi Steve,

Yes – most panels do have bypass diodes these days – but they only kick in at a certain shade threshold, and typically kill a third of the solar panel’s output in severe shade. Until the bypass diode kicks in the shaded panel will drag the whole array down with it.

 

Finn

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Steve says:

Steve says:

July 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

Hi Finn

I’m sorry, I must disagree with you. I refer you to the drawing of a solar panel with bypass diodes on the following web page. I have two arrays using mono and poly panels made by different manufacturers and this is how the bypass diodes are installed in my panels – except that instead of the 3 diodes shown my panels have 6 – each single diode has been replaced by two diodes in parallel. I guess the manufacturer had a surplus of 4A diodes and rather than purchase 8A diodes he used to 4A diodes in parallel.

http://www.digikey.com/us/en/techzone/energy-harvesting/resources/articles

/active-bypass-diodes-improve-solar-panel-efficiency.html

For the sake of argument (and to make the maths easy) lets consider a solar panel that has an output power of 200W – ie. a 50Volt/4Amp panel comprising of 54 cells in series (lets call this a string). These series cells are then further arranged into 3 sub strings of 18 cells each with each sub string including a bypass diode as per the above web page.

At the panels maximum output each cell must be generating 0.93V @ 4A giving us a panel output of 50V @ 4A or each sub string is generating 16.7V @ 4A. If you were to shade one cell then that sub strings current and voltage will drop causing the bypass diode associated with that sub string to become forward biased allowing the current generated by the unshaded sub strings to flow through the bypass diode. The result is we now have a panel with an output of 33.3V @ 4A – the current of the unshaded cells, and therefore the entire panel does not drop. The panels output voltage on the other hand does drop.

Now if we connect more of these panels into a series array and one panel is

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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

August 6, 2013 at 3:53 pm

Fair point – I wrote that reply too late at night and have corrected it! But bypass diodes are not the golden bullet to shading problems, because the panel can get pretty shaded before the diode kicks in, and drag the whole array down with it.

Steve says:

Steve says:

August 6, 2013 at 4:51 pm

I

would argue that the bypass diodes would ‘kick in’ pretty quickly, there

only has to be a 0.6 V drop (for a silicon diode), even less is you use a Schottky diode, in the voltage generated by any one of the sub strings

before the associated bypass diode is forward biased, yes there may be a small drop in the whole arrays output but only for a verrrry short time.

John Byers says:

John Byers says:

August 8, 2013 at 12:53 am

Diodes in Parallel do not share current equally between them as they cannot be perfectly matched for equal forward resistance or turnover voltage. This means that one diode will pass more current than its paralleled mate (since its intrinsic forward resistance will be smaller) and may burn out if not adequately overrated. No matter if Ge,Si or Schottky diodes used this is basic physics. So two paralleled 4 amp rated diodes will not pass 4 amps each. One will pass more than the other and get hotter in consequence And getting exact match between pairs of diodes is an expensively time consuming and largely unrewarding exercise even diodes off the same production batch are different to one another in this regard. Unless the paralleled diodes are both rated at 8 amp each the approach is unreliable

dabbles says:

dabbles says:

November 20, 2013 at 7:31 am

 

er

this tech chit-chat is fascinating.

I

solved my shading problem with a small chainsaw: took the top 20 foot

off the offending tree.

 
 

.don’t recall the relevant technical calculations.

partially, or completely, shaded, provided all of the other panels are in full sun, the arrays current will not drop below 4A. What will happen is the arrays output voltage will drop. The bypass diodes do not limit the current they simply provide an alternate current path around a sub string that is not producing sufficient current/voltage to keep the associated bypass diode reverse biased.

What happens if we made an 8 panel, 1.6 kW system out of these panels and totally shaded one panel? The maximum possible power loss of the array would be 200 W (the entire output of one panel) plus the power dissipated by the voltage drop across the 3 forward biased bypass diodes (due to the 4A of current from the other 7 panels flowing through them) – ie. 200 W + (0.6V x 3 x 4A) = 7.2 W (assuming silicon diodes each dropping 0.6 V) so total loss = 207.2 W.

207.2 W out of a 1.6 kW array = loss of around 13%.

Clearly this % will change depending on how many panels are in the array and would have to be calculated on a case-by-case basis.

Given the way the panels are assembled you can lose 33%, 66% or 100% of a particular panels output and this is not dependent on the number of diodes.

The point I’m trying to make is that because virtually all panels have bypass diodes completely, or partially, shading one panel cannot have any effect on the output of the other non-shaded panels.

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colleen morgan says:

colleen morgan says:

April 16, 2011 at 1:10 pm

Please let me know the temperature coefficient %/c

of Suntech panel model STP190S-24/AD plus

 

Thank you for your assistance

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grace says:

grace says:

May 10, 2011 at 12:01 pm

how about conergy p 180

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admin says:

  admin says:

December 8, 2011 at 10:25 am

Hi Grace

It is -0.44

 
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kubicko says:

  kubicko says:

September 7, 2013 at 12:23 pm

Alright Geniuses of the Solar Tech talk, Please design the ultimate 5kw and 10kw systems for a house. It’s great to read how intellimagent you all are. Yet it would be more useful to us mere mortals if you advise us on ULTIMATE kits for home users in Australia. Thanks guys, Jake

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Marius Fourie says:

July 24, 2011 at 5:03 pm

Marius Fourie says: July 24, 2011 at 5:03 pm Everyone tells you that solar cells degrade

Everyone tells you that solar cells degrade at .45% per DegC above STC, but how do I predict the cell temperature?

I know variables like wind direction, ventilation, etc

does anyone have practical figures? In SA (read Johannnesburg) we have about 5.6 hours sun with very little wind and summer temperatures of 28 to 32 DegC.

Then, is it worth considering forced cooling under hot conditions?

makes it quite compilcated, but

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darrol says:

darrol says:

July 30, 2011 at 11:19 am

hi, could you please tell me the temp coefficient of ET m 660250 thanks

 
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admin says:

admin says:

December 8, 2011 at 10:20 am

Hi Darrol:

It is -0.46

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Richard Salisbury says:

Richard Salisbury says:

August 28, 2011 at 8:14 pm

Marius, here’s a web page to go to for the calculations of panel temp

http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/modules/nominal-operating-cell-temperature

 

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And , if you are in the southern hemisphere, it is best for an array on a north facing roof, next best easterly facing and west if no other options – better still ground mount facing north or north-east

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Richard Salisbury says:

August 28, 2011 at 8:19 pm

Richard Salisbury says: August 28, 2011 at 8:19 pm National Panasonic has a great product to

National Panasonic has a great product to reduce the effects of power mismatch caused to mono or poly panel arrays from shading, bird poo, leaves etc.

It’s called a Solar Magic Power Optimiser

With thin film panels these shading, dirt and debris problems are not a major factor – n by-pass diodes kicking in or kicking in at different rates

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Richard says:

Richard says:

December 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm

Could you add Solon panels please.

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admin says:

  admin says:

December 8, 2011 at 10:19 am

Solon Black XT 295 -0.47 Solon Black XT 290 -0.47 Solon Blue XT 285 -0.45 Solon Black XT 285 -0.47 Solon Blue XT 280 -0.45 Solon Black XT 280 -0.47 Solon Blue XT 275 -0.45 Solon Blue XT 270 -0.45 Solon Black 245 -0.47 Solon Black 240 -0.47 Solon Corvus 240 -0.47 Solon Blue 235 -0.45 Solon Black 235 -0.47 Solon Corvus 235 -0.47 Solon Blue 230 -0.45 Solon Black 230 -0.47 Solon Corvus 230 -0.47 Solon Blue 225 -0.45 Solon Corvus 225 -0.47 Solon Blue 220 -0.45

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Iain says:

Iain says:

February 6, 2012 at 8:53 am

Silly article! Implies that solar electricity will do worst in sunnier areas. Whilst there are losses due to the heat coefficient these are compensated by the extra sunlight in most cases. Have a look at the desert knowledge solar centre or sunny portal in high heat areas.

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

February 6, 2012 at 2:11 pm

Hi Iain,

Thanks for the comment. I certainly don’t mean to imply that solar will do worse in sunnier areas. What I am trying to say (perhaps clumsily!) is that if you have 2 places with the same amount of sunlight, the hotter place will always be worse for solar electricity than the colder place. The ideal place for solar power is a cold desert, or the top of a mountain. This is why the temperature performance of a

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solar panel is so important in Australia. And why the STC power of a solar
solar panel is so important in Australia. And why the STC power of a solar
solar panel is so important in Australia. And why the STC power of a solar

solar panel is so important in Australia. And why the STC power of a solar panel is tested at an ambient temperature of about 5 degrees Centigrade.

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terry adams says:

terry adams says:

February 12, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Hi Finn

Whatis the temperature coefficient of Simax. panels used by Sun Trix? Andy is coming to visit us. tomorrow morning at 11am.

Regards

 

Terry

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

February 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Hi Terry,

The Simax SM572-190 has a temperature coefficient of -0.39%/DegC according to the data sheet.

Cheers,

Finn

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sam says:

sam says:

February 15, 2012 at 12:41 pm

how about sunearth panels

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

February 15, 2012 at 12:52 pm

All the 2012 Sun Earth Solar Panels have a temperature coefficient of -0.40 %/DegC which is excellent.

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nigel says:

nigel says:

March 12, 2012 at 10:36 am

Hi Finn, I live in Mareeba about 50 klms west of Cairns, we have very hot dry days durring summer and most days of 25c during winter. What sort of panels do you think I should be looking for? And what are your thoughts on one of my quotes on a 8.80kW system running through a SunnyBoy 5000TL of $17,990.00 with $7320.00 of rebate?

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

March 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm

Hi Nigel,

I think you should go for a brand name panel (Trina, Suntech, QCells, Solarworld etc), because you can generally believe their temperature specs. Look for a panel that is better than -0.5%/DegC. You don’t say what panels you are getting – but if they are good panels, then that seems a good price. I assume you will be running 2x Sunny Boy 5000TLs with 8.8kW of panels?

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Angus says:

Angus says:

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March 15, 2012 at 2:25 pm

I’ve been doing some temperature testing of panels, and have been recording temperatures that the panels get to averaging 50degC/day (sunlight hours) and some as high as 85degC. I guess using these numbers you can calculate the percentage loss of the system due to temperature increase.

Why can’t someone make white solar cells???

 
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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

March 16, 2012 at 9:26 am

Hi Angus, Thanks for the comment. Wow, that is hot! At 85DegC most panels will lose 30% of their power.

Where are you in Australia, and what colour roof are the panels on?

 
 

Finn

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John says:

John says:

April 23, 2013 at 9:32 am

I

have tested temp on panels in direct sun up to 76C mid north coast nsw

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Charlie b says:

Charlie b says:

May 9, 2013 at 7:45 pm

Yeah they make white solar panels ( ON THE BACK ) the best colour there is BLACK (remember? blackbody radiation? – that same colour as on a fridge radiator?), so i think i will paint them (not sure if that effects warranty!). The reason why those blue ones do better could be because they reflect the blue light, rather than absorb it as heat (i do doubt they turn the blue light into energy as i think they are designed for IR)

 
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Charlie b says:

Charlie b says:

May 10, 2013 at 12:36 pm

I

checked about the paint and it apparently doesn’t matter. White and black

“Catalac” paint have almost the same emissivity (in fact, white was better). And,

according to wikipedia, apart from colour (this must be a misconception), emissivity depends also how shiny the surface is (which may actually come down to surface area instead!). so i admit to being wrong in my last message. I will have to consider heatsinking and off-peak loading instead. Charlie.

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Don Roberts says:

Don Roberts says:

March 22, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Could you give any details on performance of “Q” cell panels.

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

March 23, 2012 at 12:03 pm

They are generally awesome. Good performers in the heat and well built with German engineering behind them.

Independent test results from California Here: Q-Cells Solar Panel Comparison

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Hnery says:

Hnery says:

March 30, 2012 at 9:42 am

Hi Finn

Sorry I am totally new to this, i just got a new house and need to find the best one for our home we live in Brisbane and think which one is the best for us and about the Temperature Coefficient what dos it means it’s better -.2 better or .-.5 better?

Thank you for your time^^

 
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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

April 9, 2012 at 10:56 am

With temperature coefficient smaller number is better (ignoring the -ve sign).

The units are “%_of_power_lost per rise_in_temperature_of_1_Degree_Celsius”.

So only 0.2% of power lost for every increase in temperature of 1DegC makes for a better performing solar panel than one that loses 0.5% of its power for every fish of

1DegC.

I explain it a lot more clearly here:

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/understanding-solar-panel-specifications-

part-2-power-tolerance-efficiency/

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Peter Jensen says:

April 20, 2012 at 8:58 am

Peter Jensen says: April 20, 2012 at 8:58 am Hi Finn, I have found your site

Hi Finn, I have found your site very informative and to the point.I live in North Qld. I have 2 phase coming into my house and one quote is for 11.2kwET panels with 2 × 2.5 sma invertors for a price of around $22,000.The other quote is for 4.05kw hyundai panels with a sma invertor,$12,450. My average consumpton is about 26kw p day tarif11 and 8kw tarif 31. My question is, bearing in mind that technology moves forward quite fast, do I spend that amount of money or $12,000 so that if something super dupa comes on the market later I could spend the other $12000 Regards Peter

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Vegelen says:

Vegelen says:

May 1, 2012 at 7:00 pm

Could you add:

Suntech STP250S-20/WD Temperature Coefficient of Pmax -0.45 %/°C

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Vegelen says:

Vegelen says:

May 1, 2012 at 7:08 pm

Please could you add the Jinko range of solar panels to your list.

http://www.greenkit.co.uk/ekmps/shops/clairedavies/resources/Other/jkm-195m-

72-ebs-sonder-plus-sortierung.pdf

Thank you for your help.

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Soori says:

May 29, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Soori says: May 29, 2012 at 3:18 pm Hi Finn I am getting a 5kw solar

Hi Finn I am getting a 5kw solar system with simax sm572-190w panels and JFY inverter / JSI -1500Tl. Can you please tel me It would work in northeast Vic .( good performance ) thanks

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Soori says:

May 29, 2012 at 3:34 pm

Soori says: May 29, 2012 at 3:34 pm Hi Finn My 5kw system has 26 190w

Hi Finn My 5kw system has 26 190w panels that = 4.92w , can I put extra 2 panel to make 5kw. Thanks

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John says:

John says:

June 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm

Hi Finn, I’m looking at buying a 3kw system using an SMA inverter and i have the option for 2 types of panels 1 that you have listed “Tianwei” and the other is “Senergy” not actually sure as yet of the model of the panels but do you know of the Senergy, and what in your opinion would be the better panel to go with ? I live in Brisbane. Regards John

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

June 6, 2012 at 5:47 pm

If the “Senergy” is China Sunergy (CSun) they are OK:

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/solar-panel-comparison.php?searchtxt=sunergy&

x=0&y=0&ord=1&Type=1&Type=2&Type=3&Type=4&Type=5&minSize=0&

maxSize=500&pr=30&Manufacturer=all#scrollhere

Otherwise I’ve never heard of them. I’m not familiar with Tianwei panels, although I believe they are one of the cheaper panels out there on the market – so that probably is for a reason

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David says:

David says:

June 5, 2012 at 8:17 pm

Hi Finn, I live in Melbourne and have received 3 quotes for a 5 kw solar package all coming in at around $11,000 all using SMA 5000 inverter but all using different panels, the panels are 1- LG 250S1C or 2- Canadian Solar CS6P 250P or 3- Solar Fun panels. Which panel would you recomend, the roof faces west and is pitched at 15 degress. Cheers David

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

June 6, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Using my solar panel comparison tool:

Canadian Solar CS6P 250P have a Performance Ration of: 91.04%

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/solar-panels/canadian-solar/cs6p-250p.html

LG250S1C has a P ratio of 90.08%

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/solar-panels/lg-electronics/lg250s1c-g2-(60-

mono-cells).html

Solar Fun is not on the list – so I have no 3rd party test data for them – so I personally would not go for them when I can get ones that have got that data. Either LG or Canadian are the go – their scores are almost identical. Be aware that Canadian Solar are made in China. That in itself is not a bad thing – but a lot of salesmen are implying they are made in Canada!

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PeteC says:

PeteC says:

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June 24, 2012 at 5:40 pm

June 24, 2012 at 5:40 pm

How about Lunio 190W panels?

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

June 25, 2012 at 3:41 pm

I’m not familiar with those panels – sorry!

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jacki says:

jacki says:

June 30, 2012 at 9:10 pm

We live in yeppoon in qld and we are trying to work out what to do with solar. Our roof faces north east the panels will need to be split on two sides. Canadian solar cs6p 235px Illumilite is the name of the company we have been talking to any idea if they are ok. The salesmamn didnt seem to know anythig about the temp. Of the panels. Please help.

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Shaun McCabe says:

August 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm

Shaun McCabe says: August 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm Finn, Another great article. I’d keep away

Finn, Another great article. I’d keep away from the comparisons with the UK though – given the climatic constraints, UK solar take up is reasonable, and overall renewables adoption leaves Aus for dead! For example, in 2011, 33% of Scottish electricity generation was from renewables, and this is despite copious local coal, oil and gas resources, and an established nuclear industry. Scotland is targeting producing 100% of its electrical needs from renewables by 2020.

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wal says:

  wal says:

August 22, 2012 at 9:15 pm

Hi Finn, COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE ME INFORMATION ON J.A.SOLAR PANELS.

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

August 23, 2012 at 10:13 am

JA Solar is the 2nd largest PV Cell manufacturer in the world. They seem yo get all the major approvals:

http://jasolar.com/webroot/products/warranty.php

Their panels are rated here:

JA Solar Panel Comparison

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Shahnaz Khan says:

Shahnaz Khan says:

September 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Hi Finn,

whats your thoughts on the Yingli Panda 270w mono panel? been quoted on them recently and they seem to be very popular in the US but still newish in the aussie market.

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Wade says:

  Wade says:

April 22, 2013 at 1:25 pm

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What do you think of the Yingli panda 260 W coupled with a Delta Inverter
What do you think of the Yingli panda 260 W coupled with a Delta Inverter German
design made in Thailnd.
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Finn Peacock says:
April 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Both good!
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Leyland gale says:
April 3, 2014 at 12:44 pm
Everyone is talking heat causing power loss. Fin what about the inverters
being used.I done some research before choosing solar and I found that
German Sma and omnik were good inverters and didn’t loose as much power
when converting from Ac to Dc.the cheaper brand such as jfy were very
average inverters.
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Finn Peacock says:
April 3, 2014 at 2:51 pm
Yes – the inverter’s efficiency is directly proportional to how much energy
you will get. Also most of the cheap inverters (and some expensive ones)
will start to derate at a not-too-high (for Australia) ambient temperature –
so look out for that. And always mount them in a shaded spot. I see so
many inverters in direct sunlight it is not funny!
You can compare inverter efficieny here:
http://www.solarquotes.com.au/inverters/comparison/chart/
Hope That Helps,
Finn

Shahnaz Khan says:

September 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm

Shahnaz Khan says: September 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm Hi Finn, I also have a question

Hi Finn,

I also have a question about the lines in each cell which I believe they are called Buz

bars? ive noticed most so called better quality panels usually have 3 and the cheaper ones have 2. is there a reason for this?

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Caroline says:

Caroline says:

September 10, 2012 at 2:35 pm

I’m wondering about STS panels, particularly 250S-60. Brochure says 0.3

 
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Gilbert says:

Gilbert says:

September 19, 2012 at 8:50 am

I

am looking to install a 5KW solar system in the next few weeks and have a dilema

how to choose. All the quotes are similar, premium quality materials and workmanship. What your opinion between Simax SM660-250, ET-M660250 and Green Triplex

PM250M00 panels and inverter SMA Sunny Boy, 5000 MTL Growatt and Delta

 
 

5000HF.

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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

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September 19, 2012 at 4:17 pm I have never heard of Green

September 19, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I have never heard of Green Triplex – so personally I’d avoid those.

The best inverter is the SMA, then Delta, then Growatt. But all 3 are good inverters.

I know some great installers that are very happy with ET and Simax panels.

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Gilbert says:

September 20, 2012 at 8:23 am

Gilbert says: September 20, 2012 at 8:23 am Thanks Finn for your quick reply. Yesterday I

Thanks Finn for your quick reply. Yesterday I received my last quote that is based with the Schott SW 240 poly panels, German technology and made in the US, do you know this one. By the way thank you for this great site it help me understand the solar technology, I recomended to few of my friends. Continue on your good work Cheers

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James says:

 
James says:  

October 20, 2012 at 7:22 am

Hi Finn I’m getting a choice of 2 panels the first is a Blue Sun 250 watt and the second is a Simax sm660 250 watt I have to make a choice very soon can you tell me which you think is the better panel. I live in Brisbane and they will be north facing the inverter will be a delta 2.5kw. Ive looked at both specs but can’t see much between the two

Regards

 

James

 
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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

October 21, 2012 at 4:13 pm

would go the Simax – they should be a lot cheaper and I’ve heard good things about them from a number of installers I trust.

I

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James says:

 
  James says:  

October 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm

Thanks F I was leaning that way and I’m sending the contract back tomorrow . Great Timing

Thanks F I was leaning that way and I’m sending the contract back tomorrow … .

regards

 

James

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James says:

  James says:

October 22, 2012 at 4:29 pm

oops forgot the INN in Finn

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anne gallagher says:

 
anne gallagher says:  

October 24, 2012 at 1:50 pm

Hi Finn, One quote i have received has given me the choice of monsterland panels – made in Germany, (apparently) the other choice I have is Tianwei, who the installer seems to think is the better way to go???? I live in Mt Molloy FNQLD on the Nthn end of the Atherton Tablelands. Could you give me some advice as to which I should choose. Thanks

The truth about Solar Panel performance and temperature

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/the-truth-about-solar-panel-p

Anne

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paul jacobsen says:

paul jacobsen says:

November 14, 2012 at 9:58 am

very informative mate . any opinion on samil power inverters 5KW

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Jac says:

Jac says:

November 24, 2012 at 8:31 am

Hi Finn, Thank you for the article which I found very helpful. I’m new to this and have been given a quote for a 5kw system using 20 BLD250-60M 250W panels and a JFY 5000TL inverter from my local electricity company. I couldn’t find much information about either of these and was wondering if you had any advice for me. Much appreciated, thanks, Jac

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Anthony penny says:

Anthony penny says:

December 2, 2012 at 11:41 am

Do you know the actual output / operating characteristics of these Simax SM660-250 ? The manufacturer states excellent data figures for a relatively cheap panel or is it a case of to good to be true?

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

December 11, 2012 at 2:18 pm

Simax are good panels from what I can tell / have heard.

Reviews of simax panels from customers that have had them for more than 12 months are here:

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/solar-panels/simax-(suzhou)-green-

new-energy.html

Hope That Helps,

Finn

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Luke says:

December 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm

Luke says: December 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm Hi Finn, Thanks for the great article. Have

Hi Finn, Thanks for the great article. Have you investigated the quasi-mono technology a lot yet? Renesola and some others like JA solar are already producing with the quasi-mono tech and it seems to have a much better temperature coefficient than mc-Si. In the 0.38-0.39 range. This is really important for guys like us because we can optimise a lot more yield out of our plants especially with very large modules as the land-efficiency ratio goes up. I am just searching now for their measurement methods to see how “real” these TC numbers are. Cheers, Luke

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Frank says:

January 13, 2013 at 8:17 pm

Frank says: January 13, 2013 at 8:17 pm Hello Finn, Your a busy fellow replying and

Hello Finn, Your a busy fellow replying and people like myself thank you for your commitment to helping us through this minefield of choice. I live in Metro W.A and looking at getting a 4 to 5 kw system. It would have to be west facing. What would YOUR choice of panel and inverter be as i have had a response from your site of 5

The truth about Solar Panel performance and temperature

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/the-truth-about-solar-panel-p

installers . Can you also comment on (1) australian solar panels ASP-60-6M , and ASP-72-5M . (2) AS-5M 195w , and AS-6M30 250w by amerisolar australia (3) Delta inverters , (4) YC 200 EU Micro inverter . Is it true that i could possabily lose up to 30% efficiency with west facing installation and more due to “Max Power Temperature Coefficient ” loss. A lot to consider. Thanks again , Frank.

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Finn Peacock says:

January 15, 2013 at 6:37 am

Frank. REPLY Finn Peacock says: January 15, 2013 at 6:37 am You will never get more

You will never get more than 3 installers responding from SolarQuotes.com.au – Are you sure you used my site – or was it a copycat? I don’t recommend “Australian Solar Panels” because I consider their marketing deceptive. The panels are made in China. Delta inverters are good.

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dennis says:

dennis says:

January 18, 2013 at 11:30 am

Hello Finn great site what is your opinion on a system using 5.00 KW TrinaHoney 20 X250 W Solar Panels with Samil 5200TL-D inverter in central victoria Any other recomendations

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

January 21, 2013 at 10:17 am

Trina are good panels. But it will only be a good system with a good inverter, racking and a good installer!

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Andrew says:

Andrew says:

January 29, 2013 at 11:36 am

HI Finn,

Can you comment on Hosun panels in the Australian market?

 

Thanks.

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

January 30, 2013 at 5:44 pm

I’m not familiar with those panels – sorry! They don’t appear to be approved in California, and I’ve never seen a review of them so I have no data with which to make a judgement!

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Rob says:

February 10, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Rob says: February 10, 2013 at 9:02 pm Hi Finn, I am looking for a system

Hi Finn,

I am looking for a system that is efficient in the Netherlands. In this search for the optimum, I encountered a question and could not find a credible answer yet. Is the monocristalline (eg. Canadian solar panel CS6P 240 (all black)) better than a polycristalline (eg. Canadian solar panel CS6P 240) or is it equal. My roof it headed to the west and the technician told me that polycristalline is not less efficient because (1) the cristals in the polycristalline panels are directed to all sides, and monocristalline get its energy mainly from the light that falls approx. perpendicular on the panel (2) the cells in the black monocristalline panels get warmer than the cells in the blue polycristalling panels, because obviously black surfaces absorb more ‘heat energy’. Theoretically the monocristalline panels should be better, but these effects are

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supposed to compensate the difference and in cloudy weather (with scattered light) polycristaline could be even superior I was told. Could you give your opinion on this? Regards, Rob, Netherlands.

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Finn Peacock says:

  Finn Peacock says:

February 12, 2013 at 10:51 am

The sales guy is full of crap! Sorry.

Please watch this:

 

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/poly-vs-multi-crystalline-solar-panels-lets-put-

this-argument-to-bed/

 
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Rob says:

  Rob says:

February 13, 2013 at 9:34 am

Thanks for your explicit opinion. I watched your video and also your blog about the efficiency of panels. In this case that makes my choice quite clear. I’ll just forget those arguments. And the 4 important numbers, that you mentioned in your blog, of the two panels are about the same, only the prize is significantly different. The all black panels are just 25% more expensive in NL. Regards Rob

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john says:

 
john says:  

March 10, 2013 at 3:59 pm

i have NESL (2KWH system) specs say normal operating temp is 48c+/-2c. ibelieve this means that there is no loss due to temp until the ambiant temp exceeds 28c then .48c for every degree over that’ so what is being said does not seem to be correct on the other hand i am told that i should not expect my system to ever reach 2kwh output . to date it has not 1.7kwh which i do not believe is satisfactory any comments

 
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Finn Peacock says:

Finn Peacock says:

March 12, 2013 at 11:47 am

Hi John,

1) You need to look at the NOCT on the spec. I explain how here

 

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/panels/photovoltaic/monocrystalline-

vs-polycrystalline/

2) You are getting kWh and kW confused – a common mistake difference here:

2) You are getting kWh and kW confused – a common mistake difference here: I explain

I explain the

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/kw-and-kwh-what-is-the-difference/

3) You are unlikely to get 2kW from 2kW of panels for these reasons:

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/5-reasons-your-solar-system-power-is-lower-

than-you-expected/

Hope That Helps,

Finn

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Mick says:

March 14, 2013 at 8:45 am

Finn,

Mick says: March 14, 2013 at 8:45 am Finn,

The truth about Solar Panel performance and temperature

http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/the-truth-about-solar-panel-p

Great thread, I live in Brisbane and I’m looking at a 5kw system with a 5kw PVI-5000-OUTD inverter and x24 Tianwei TWYxxxM660 250w monocrystaline panels with a temp Coeff Pmax

of -0.47/ deg C. (apparently part of CSGC – global fortune 500 Co.

blah blah). I

have 3 phase to the house and a 3 ph split aircon. What do you think of the system? I guess the extra 4 panels is to do with inofficiency reduction ? Quote $8.5k from

Enviren

 
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Mick says:

  Mick says:

March 14, 2013 at 9:17 am

Forgot to mention,Inverter is made by Aurora with 10yr warranty and panels have a 10 yr warranty with average degredation over 23yrs of no more than 0.6%.