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5. Employment Record.
RE:
ADDRESS: Unknofim
TOTNESS CIASSIFICATION
1.
Clerk, U. S. D i s t . Court,
S. D. of New York.
5. Employment Record.
Sperry Gyroscope Co,
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ADDRESS:
NAME
Address
Age
Color White
Height 51 9
Weight 170 Pounds
Eyes Blue-gray
Hair Dark brown
Nationality German
Marital Status
Occupation Can Company,
Newark, New Jersey
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
arid Naturalisation
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in 'Euerzburg, Germany!
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Name
Age
Born
bflC Height
Weight
53
150 pounds
Hair Blue
Build Blonde, thin on top
Stocky
Complexion Fair
Marital status
Wife
Nationality Naturalized American citizen,
German descent.
Occupation Accountant and clerk*
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
ED&flJKD CARL HEINE
1. Immigration and Naturalization
Clerk, U.S, D.C. Detroit, Michigan.
Byron H. Uhl, Dist Dir Immigration and Naturalization Service.
,JB,I Lab,
Librarian, Detroit.
fjfffffJP GalTeston, Texas.
^ B r p o r t , Wash. D.C.
r Photo Service
jtroit, Typewriter Specimen
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5, 'Employment Record
'Ford Kotor Con^arry
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r. EDMtfHD CARL HEIKE was ^bprn i n ZWIfflHGJ^\Genn^yy "G&1 :" .-
Januajy 20, 1891, and received* his education there'. He graduated
in 1908 from Hittweida University and speaks various foreign J - ''-.
langiages. He 'emigrated to the United State's on Jojj&*23, l ^ ^ /
and was naturalized on March 1, 19$Q a t Detroit, Michigan. ^ He-
i s married and has three sons, two of whom, were born'Irl' Qeaasany and
one in Spain. His family came t o the United States in'December,
194.0, and a t present reside with him i n Pleasant Ridge,
From ,1914 t o 1918 he -worked a t various positions i n -the '
automobile jjidus%ry and ivas employed around^ Detroit, Michigan'.; . '-
He -ifas employed In 1918 by the Ford Hotor ,<3ompany and a f t e r some
ork in Dearborn, liLchigan, was sent to ths'West Indies and.to
South Amsrica and in. 1923 t o Spain, where he was iaade Assistant
i^nager. In 1926 he vas transferred t o Germany as Assistant JSanager
and i n I929 he was oade General Onager iiiUGermany* This position
he held u n t i l some time i n 1935 ' r<
In September, 1935, he went to mrk f o r the Chrysler
Motor Company'in Detroit and i n 1936 T/as transferred t o t h e i r
Foreign Service Department i n Spain. He voluntarily l e f t t h i s
company's employment i n October, 1938. In,his application for t h e
Chrysler Corporation dated September 5, 1935, ha l i s t e d as
references Dr. HAMS LUTHER, German Ambassador, Vfeshington, D. C ,
whom he claispd to have known for five year/b, His"- Royal Highness
Prince LOUIS^teaDIliMD,cBa er r y ^ ^ ^ L ^ ^ g y j ^ h g c'laimea to
have known, for six y ^^|m^|H|H|ilH
FQSD vdth T&orn. he claiEed^cquairi^nce ibr ten years.
He l a s t arrived i n the United States from Germany on
L!ay 13) 1940} at -which time h i s Anerioan passport vras taken airay
from. him. HEJJJE has no v i s i b l e neans of support i n the United
States "but i s reputed t o be wealthy. HSUJEis a t present engaged
"in the advertising businsss i n Detroit, Hitjhigan, tshere he 'recently
started a business knbtvri as the Display-Rite, Suite 326, Broadray
Liarket Building, Dstpcit, J J i c h i ^ a . ' ' --"*-.>
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i ground i n s t r u c t o r ,
advised t n e wasmngton office of t h e Federal Bureau of I n v e s t i -
gation on August 2 4 , 1940, t h a t he had answeredtiie ad of EDMUND
C. HEINE appearing i n "Popular Aviation". ^ H H H r e c e i v e d a
card from HEINE t o t h e e f f e c t t h a t he "was c ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ k w a s h i n g t o n
and about August 1 5 , 1940, HEINE t e l e p h o n e d H B j M j " a t h i s home
and requested him t o come t o Fourteenth h K S t r e e t s , N. . ,
and t o meet him i n t h e lobby of t h e Tower Building, which he d i d .
A.t the time HEINE explained t h a t he has a seventeen-year old
boy Dfoo was i n t e r e s t e d i n a i r p l a n e s and -was b u i l d i n g model a i r -
p l a i n e s j t h a t h e , HEINE, wishes t o have s u f f i c i e n t enlightenment
about aeronautics i n order that he could talkjrtel^genfely to
his son about the subject* HEINE then drove S a f l H s V ^ - s a u t o ~
mobile to the Hoover Airpor^mdMiie f i r s t question he asked was,
"TShat i s a nacelle", -mhichBHBBfexpIaine'd-. -- -
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.who occupies a f]
learned through\
that he i s a GermSS"subject, engaged
^ . .3rmany-as an agent, or associate of the American Chamber of
Commerce' and likewise' engaged i n wc?rk i n Germany for t h e German"-;
Government* consisting '^;ij*4ustrCai. or related; workj -.'.that h i s
mission t o the Tjfcated States' was^W-fpljd^ .to wit> t o carry on
work of Some description for t h e American-Chambter of Commerce i n
Germany .and likewise t o get "information for the l a z i Government
concerning certain i n d u s t r i e s -in the TJnited S t a t e s ; t h a t he i s .
one of a group of about five.or s i x individuals i n Germany who* -
are charged with gathering i n d u s t r i a l information i n t n e U n i t e d
States and t h a t as circumstances warrant, one individual of the
group proceeds t o the TJnited States and c a r r i e s on not only h i s
own business but the missions of t h e German Government*
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On Se
September 14, 1940* HE!
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__ arrived in
New York City on September 19, 1940, from San Juan, Porto Rico,
vfhere she owns and operates an automotive and electrical service
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I VECiMAM
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Detroit, Michigan
June 29, 1941
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(Detroit f i l e number 65-275)
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I migrated t o the United States i n June 19X4, landed i n New
lork on June 23rd or 24th from the SS "Inperator," swore off
allegiance i n 1916 to the then Geraan government, thereby
obtaining soy f i r s t papers and gotraycitizenship papers on t h e
f i r s t of March 1920 at the Wayne County Circuit Court, D e t r o i t .
I got the c i t i senship papers prematurely on the special exemption
from enemy a l i e n s h i p .
"After working for HENRY C. USER, Hardware Company, i n Detroit*
I was hired by the Michigan Motor Specialties under Mr. BECK,
also i n D e t r o i t , took up nork for the Packard Motor Car Coapany
and I believe i n 1917 vent t o work on a farm between Saint
Clair and Marysvllle, Michigan, because of the somewhat embar-
rassing situation for German nationals or alien enemies at that
t i n e . This farm was owned a t that t ime by Mr* MAX BARTHOLOMAEI
who, I believe i s s t i l l living.
"Beginning 1918, I obtained a job with the Ford Motor Company,
Tractor Division, in Dearborn. Starting as a laborer, I soon
was promoted to work as a demonstrator and as the foreign
representative, and traveled i s this latter capacity t o B r a i i l ,
Uruguay, the Argentine, most of the European s t a t e s , making
my headquarters respectively in the capitals of t h e South
American countries and also in London, England; Triestej and
Spain (Barcelona)
in Spai'ru I had this position until the end of 1925 when I tras
called back to the States and given a. transfer as Assistant
Manager of the Ford Motor Company in Berlin, Germany.
"During my stay in Spain, ay second oldest son,!
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(Detroit f i l e number 65-275)
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(Detroit file noaber 65-275)
Special Agent*
FBI, U. S. Dept. of Justice
911 Federal Bldg
Detroit, lttch. .
VECtMAM
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HEINE
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n E . 441
L, S. 127 54 H
H J. IP . MSM 878B
E. E . LP MF 525J
AHW 0 15
HEINE stated that the above descrlby^symbols were jotted down
by him possibly at the time he talked w i t h f l H H a n d they were for his
of HEINRICH EHERS, LILLY
added that the A.H.W., he
the symbols to the right
of the initials AHW represent his address which HEINE claimed he could not
now recall or decipher from the symbols. He explained that the K. opposite
HEINRICH EILERS name and address was for_KONRAD; the H opposite LILLY STEIN
3r BLACKWELL and the J opposite
JACK. He admitted sending letters of information
rougn these addresses and using as his signature the names designated.
As a result of further questioning HEINE stated that he used
names other than his own because he "didn't think it was just the right
thing to do", that That he was doing "was not as clean as a sheet", that
"it was not very nice*. He said that he has a big name and isafairly
important person and he didn't want his name to appear* He also said he
never told anyone he was securing information and transmitting it through
the afore-mentioned channels. He felt that had he signed his own same to
the letters transmitting the information he secured, this would possibly
have placed him in an embarrassing position because the information he
was getting was "delicate".
When asked why he hadn't contacted LILLY STEIN and HEINZ EILERS
while in New York City, he vehemently stated that he had never contacted
them, and that he had a "hunch" that something might be wrong and that he
felt it was best for him to conceal his identity from them*
In response to an inquiry as to when he last sent information,
he stated he stopped in November 1940 when hejgsrefixsed^apassport to
leave the United States and in interviewing H H i m ^ m ^ f a s h i n g t o n y
D C, concerning this, she "made a bad slip*%intiatsheasked him if
he wanted to be held as an enemy alien, that "immediately it entered my
mind that maybe I'd better stop] maybe-they know something"} and he
stopped securing and sending information. .He subsequently' stated though
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that sometime in the Spring of 1941> he did gather up all the information
he had around the house, such as cataloffs^ndinformation in answer to the
questions given him, and forwarded t o j ^ H H H V o f the Volkswagenwerk.
he sailed ithe
Previously, to him e he had failed to and
receive a letter of
acknowledgment had sent
|^ him
H this
y same information,
whether did not know whether
it was becauseMrSjHEINE, had
informed him upon her a val in the United States |HHHHHV
not received it.
HEINE stated he had received no remuneration for sending
information over to the Volkswagenwerk, but he had some understanding
with then by which they agreed to defray his expense out of any money he
could unfreese in connection with pending purchases in the United States,
although the moving influence was the possibility of his some day heading
the tractor division of theVoUesw*jejmexk or8Oae becoming its general manager;
and he had been a p p r o a c h e d ^ H m m H a R o r high official to that
effect after he left the employSent of the Chrysler Company.
HEINE also stated he received 4000 marks, the equivalent of
$1,000. in American money from the American Chamber of Commerce in Berlin
to defray his expenses in connection with his activity for them concerning
the sending of Jewish refugees to the United States.
(NOTE* From information developed, the Volkswagenwerk, is a German
government owned and operated factory.)
?BG:MAM
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HEINE
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^M^I&E.
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(Exhibit 1A8-55)
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HEXHK
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sear Berlia. Qenuar. nor living r
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0USSIFICA3I0H
HKTHEI
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Re: HETHEY
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1.
Clerk, U.S. Dist. Court,
S.D. of New York.
2.
i- Corroborative or Direct Evidence.
3. Surveillances;
4.
Record.
5.
6.
HES:RAA 1
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Bnployer:
friendly
v&th a and an
individ tmeat located on the second
floor that, ,
these
stejd small business, -which -was cau.eC
f
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take the equipment out of their apartment, and it. -was noticed by
her that they appeared to be out of the city over weekends. She \
stated that all three of the individuals -were Germans, and she also
noticed numerous aviation magazines and airplane models in their
apartment.
|-was associated
v/ith a^PBIHHmHHHHBHiffsm^HBI^ German Aviation Club
of New York, vdiich makes i t s goal to t r a i n Germans and American
Germans in a l l branches of aviation and to make them efficient, as
well as to offer visiting aviators a port and a cozy home. I t i s
noted that among other officers of the
York the name
Ls lx!
Born
Height
Weight 155 lbs
Hair Blond
Eyes- Blue
Race German
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$ City 8,
Marital Status Single
Occupation Hecharic
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
William Sebold.
5. Qsployiaent Record.
VECJGU
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Sew York, X. T.
Jaly 1, 1941
Questioning
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WITNESS CUSSIFICATIOH
1, Immigration and
5. Btployment Record
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NAME
Address....*
"WITNESS CIASSIFICATION.
JAHH
William Sebold.
5. Onploynent Record.
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
FELIX J&HMKE
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TSITNESS CLASSIFICATION (JAHNKE)
5 Bnploynnt Record
BFYf:ES
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FELIX JAHNKE, with aliases:
Felix G. A. Jahnke,
Freddie "'/' -./\'.. .;:;" :
Address:
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alongside the docks at the foot of Amity Street, New York City.
JAHNKE remained at this pier from approximately 11:00 a.m. until
approximately 2:30 p.m.
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May 10, At 3:15 P.M., on this date, Station KCX was called on
1941. the subject's transmitter located in Apartment F-6, 563
Caldwell Avenue, Bronx, New York City, New York. This
transmission commenced at 3:15 P.M# and ended at 3:22
P.M* At 3s48 P.M. this station was again called over
the subject's transmitter, and the calling ceased at
this time at 3:54 P,M.
May 14* ' PAUL SCHOLZ and FELIX JAHNKE were observed by Agents,
1941, meeting WILLIAM KAERCHER at Amsterdam Avemre and 91*t
Street, New York City, at about 6:10 P.M, They walked
down several streets -while talking, and then returned
to the place "where they met*
May 16, PAUL SGHOIZ and FELIX JAHNKE were observed to meet
1941. mLLIAM KAERCHER at about lslO P.M., at Murray and
Church Streets, New York City, and have a conversation*
June 25, Agents following JAHNKE observed him meet PAUL SCHOLZ
1941. at the corner of 3rd Avenue and EaBt 85th Street, New
York City about 2s35 ^
ackage^The
V5AC/ a package.
(NOTE: See teatisn
re, SCHOLZ, REUPER, and JAHNKE leaving matei
to be picked up.)
VECtMAM
JAHHKE
t vere together in
Apartaent F-6 at 563 CuldweH Avenue, Bronx, Mew Xork*|
-CafSBHriLth vhoa JAHHKEha|^gftn previoosly living and her
were also present. v H B H V * ' * 8 qpieetioned and the apartment
searched. FELIX JAHNKE -was then brought to lev Tork Bureau Office,
United States Court House, Foley Square, Hew York City and questioned
and made ithe following statements -
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FEUI JABHE
Special Agent*
federal Bureett of XBrestigctioa
Tj. S . DSpartaMwit of Juartiee - -
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Foley Sqoare
Sew Tork, Wat Tori;
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I FELIX GUSTA\
ing voluntary statement to who
have identified themselves as Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, without any threats or promises knowing that the same
will be used against me.
On December 6, 1902, I was born at Breslau, Germany the
son of Otto and Emilie Jahnke. I attended the public school at Breslau
until the age of 14 and then attended military school for one year. I
then joined the German Army selecting the heavy artillery branch of the
army but was later transfered to the radio branch*
I was in the army for five and one half years and was able
to send and receive 25 to 28 words a minute in code as I was taught code
work in the army*
During 1923, I signed out of the army and came to the
United States aboard the S S DERFIUWSEE arriving at Hbken, New Jersey
on September 9, 1924*
I hare two brothers named
_was employed as a
as a baker.
f married toH___________|a salesman*
After arriving in the United States, I went to the home
of William Schimmel at Suffern, New York, where I was employed as a
farmer* :r_regained_wUjhMr Schimnel for six months and then went te
work ^ r ^ m ^ ^ t Ramsey, New York, as a farm hand and remained
for
During the summer of 1935* I came to New York City and .
obtained a job as a bus bay at the Exchange Buffet until November 1925.
I then went to work as a soda clerk at various stores until August 1926
when I obtained employment at Schraffts Stores. I worked for Schraffts
on three occasions and obta&ied a job at Woebke store 82 Street and
Broadway, New York City, from about June 1, 1927 until about April 26,
1928.
During 1928, 1929, 1930 until June 1933 I was employed as a
soda dispenser at Idggetts Drug Stores and then secured employment with
Schraffts as previous stated above. Sometime in January 1938, I wa*
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(signed)
Special Agent,
Federal Bureau of Investigation.,
U. S Department of Justice,
607 U. S Court House Building,
Foley Square, New Tork City,
VEC:1AM
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PSOSECUTIVE ACTIONj-
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WITHESS GIASSTJICATION.
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5. Employment Record.
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AUDRESS: Unknown
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
GUSTA7 THILLIM KAERCHER
6/28/41
5 Employment Record
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KAHBCHER
prior to his arrest on Jane 28, 194L, observed him leave the
DE0TSCHER LESEZIRKEL, a German book store which he operates at
176 East 85th Street, New York City, with a man, walk across the
street and stand in the shadows and talk for a few mlantes. The
two then proceeded to Lexington Avenue, crossed to the Southwest
corner of the intersection at 85th Street and Lexington Avenue,
and entered a b^ckOldsmobileSedan, getting into the front
seat. A g e n t s U P m m m V w h o then procured a taxi, parked
across the streeT^ODserYeaaneT identified the man with SCHOLZ
to be GUSTAV WILLUM KAERCHER, who had been observed making
suspicious contacts with FELIX JAHHKE and SCHOLZ on previous
occasions. SGHOLZ was observed to hand KAERCHER a piece of paper.
They remained in the car about fifteen minutes. KAERCHER then
handed SCHOLZ something; they then climbed out of the car* and
-walked to a point a few feet to the rear thereof and SCHOLZ was
observed talkimg to KAERCHER who was writing on a piece of paper.
The license on the car was observed to be 1941 N. J. R 56 D.
R
The two then recrossed Lexington Avenue to the North side of 85th
Street and proceeded slowly on 85th Street toward Third Avenue,
to a point across from SCHOLZ' book store where they were contacted
by a third person. At about 10:00 P.M. SCHOLZ and KAERCHER crossed
85th Street and as they started to eater the said book store were
arrested. SCHOLZ had in his hand a 3" x 5" indexjard which had
been folded and started to tear it up when Agent^HBgrabbed it
from his hand. On this card appeared the following which was hand-
printed in pencilt
"KMGXS
20/14780 5 0 0 6 00 MEZ /
m/ SA
The two mea. were brought to the New lork Bureau Office
United States Court House Building, Foley Square, New York.
KAERCHHl wma there questioned and made the following signed
statementt-
I i
New York, N, I.
Jane 29, 1941
A* On Excalibur.
Q* Did you take that boat from Germany?
A.. Boat from Lisbon.
Q. From Lisbon, Portugal?
A. That is right, from Lisbon, Portugal,
Q Are you a naturalized citizen of the United States?
A*
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A. No.
Q You do not know him?
A* No.
Q Are you acquainted with a man by the name ^ ^ H ^ ^ ^ H
A No. I may "be acquainted. I don't know -who he is* I know many
by face*
Q Miat is your present employment?
A* American Gas and Electric Company, as mechanical draftsman^
Q. Will you state the names of the societies that you are a member of?
A* Well, that was, I was a member o f or do you mean a member of?
Q, Either you were a member of or you are a member of now,
A* I was a member of many organizations*
Q Will you name some of them for us?
km Brooklyn Edison Club and Freemason, and luminous Club of Long Island,
and Philatelic. Bond.
Q* Were you ever a member of the Cotovian Society?
A No, first time I hear about that club
Q. The question was, where did you get the call letters for the
station? Do you refuse to answer the question?
A, From somebody else*
Q. I beg your pardon?
Q Ihere did you copy, it from? TShere did you copy it from?
A# Well, that is a point that I would like to have legal advice
because I don't think that station exists.
Q, Last night?
p. That's right.
Q. m a t w.s your reason in giving it to PAUL SCHOU?
A. I don't like to say more about it.
Q. But you admit that tot's your handwriting?
A, That's right.
Q, And t h a t you did give this card to
A. That's right.
Q# And that there are call letters on it?
A, That's right,
Q. m e n did you first meet PAUL SCHOI2?
A. Jpril.
Q, April of 1940 or 1941?
A, April of 1941.
Q. April of 1941?
I
I A. That's right
Q. m a t ^ s your association , i t h SCHOIZ?
A. Well, he .as ^ t introduced to - . We started talking,
A. That's right,
Q. How well do you know hia?
A i don't knew him very well.
Q p.. you
A, No, I don't know.
a.-'' Bo you know FELIX JAHNKE^_
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A. Yes. JAHNKE.
Q, How well do you know JAHME?
A. I donH know him very well* I met him only two or three times*
Q And what was your connection with JAHNKE?
A* lie talked about radios. Be was introduced to me by SCHOLZ.
Q, Did you ever talk to JAHNKE or SCHOLZ regarding the transmittal
or receiving of messages from or to Germany? I'll repeat the
question. Did you ever discuss with SCHOLZ or JAHNKE the trans-
mittal of messages to Germany or receiving of messages from
Germany.
A, I can't answer that questijn,
Q. Why can't you answer the question?
A. Because I'd like first to have advice,
Q Didn't you first tell me that the short-Trave station that appeared
on the card that I showed you a while ago was located in Germany?
A. No, I didn't say. I don't know where it's located.
Q, What did you tell me?
A, I don't know what I told you. But I remember that you asked me
if it was in Germany and I said maybe*
Q. Iho introduced you to PAUL SCHOLZ?
A. I can't remember his name.
Q ?fhere does he live?
A. Maybe if I heartithename,
Q* I'm asking you who introduced PAUL SCHOLZ to you Do you refuse
to answer the question? Do you refuse to answer the question?
The question was, who introduced PAUL SCHOLZ to you?
A. No.
Q. Well, did you and PAUL SCHOIZ purchase one that is, a Halli-
crafter receiver for JAHNKE so that he might be able to re-
ceive messages from Germany? Do you refuse to answer that
question? Am I to assume then that your refusal to answer means
that you did?
A* No, it doesn't.
Q Didn't you meet JAHNKE and SCHOLZ on 91st Street some while hack,
at which time you discussed using JAHNKE as a radio man to trans-
mit and receive messages from Germany?
A. No#
A To listen* _-
Q. Wiiere did you get it from? Are "you going to answer that question?
8 M 9 ~
A. No 4
Q. Or any subversive activities?
A. No.
i. If you're not engaged in any subversive activities, irhy do you
Q. refuse to answer the questions regarding the short-wave radio set
and the purchase of the Hallicrafter receiver for JAHNHE? You
refuse to answer tfchat?
A* YJhat was the question, please?
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Q. Then what "was i t ? Miat ?/as i t you meant by that statement that
once you give your irord to a aan you never go back on i t ? Didn't
you t e l l me that you -would never t e l l on anyone? Does your
refusal to answer these questions mean that you are shielding
someone?
A. Yes.
q. That's a l l .
Witnesses:
Special Agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
607 U. 5. Court House, Foley Square
Hew York, K. Y.
Special Agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
607 U. S. Court &ouse, Foley Square
New York, N . Y .
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WITNESS CUSSTJICATION
5. Employment Record
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION.
William Sebold.
5. Employment Record.
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Re:
Address:
S. 6813 p.5
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION
v
JOSEF AUGUST KT-'Eiil '', .
7/3/41
5* Eaployent Record
New York City, advised that JOSEF KLEIN, who lives near East 124th Street,
Second Avenue, New York City, purchased between $700 and $800 worth of
radio equipment from, them during the past yea'r and that KLEIN would ha-ve
nothing but the best materials. They further stated that he came to them
and told them that he desired that a transmitting and receiving set be
built that would be sufficient to receive and transmit messages for a d i s -
tance of 3,000 miles. He further requested that this set be built i n suit
cases so that i t could be easily transported from one place to another.
#
\ Subsequent investigation disclosed -ghat KLEIN-.was
building this radio set for German agents so ithat they might communicaie
illegally with Germany.
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(S. 2012, P . 1)
JTovember 4 , 1940 KLEIIT delivered the portable radio set vrhioh he had
constructed for AXEL~lilffiELSR-HILL cn.d FELIX J
In Connection Tfith t h i s d e l i r o r y , Bureau Agents i d e n t i f i e d end followed
AXflL THiEKLER-HILL and FELIX JAHNXE to t h e i r respective hojies and i t was
noted t h a t they c a r r i e d four black s u i t cases and T.'ere follcv'.red t o 563
Cruldtvell avenue, Bronx, Eevr York, ilevr York,
April 14, 1941 iffiSSLER-HILL and FELIX JAHTTKB were followed by Bu-
reau Agents fron t h e i r homes a t 563 Cauldvrell Ave.,
Bronx, Hew York, Fevc York, at Tfhich t i n e they 7fere carrying tvro black
cases believed t o be p a r t o.f the radio transmitting VJX& receiving s e t t o
the home of JOSEP AUGUST KLEIN a t 227 East 126th S t r e e t , Ifew York City.
I t i s believed t h a t JAH1TKE and TiJKSELBR-HILL c a r r i e d t h i s set t o KLEIN t o
have him make r e p a i r s on t h e same.
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KLEIN
June 2 9 , 1941
At this time he said that he thought the receiver had lost power
because he vras not receiving any confirmations of his transmissions*
He said he would bring the receiver over and inside of a week he did
brin the receiver over and FELIX was with him. They did
the power supply with them so I had to get information ^jjjJalss
how to connect i t with one of my amplifiers in order to t e s t the
receiver. fl||Hft*ld m e n o w to'tiook i t up in order to make i t work-
able ThenALEX- admitted that he had taken out the tubes, had the
tubes tested andput back into the receiver any .ay he felt like-
in the wrong place* He said that he had made an adjustment on
the tuning condenser which did put the receiver out of line* I
corrected the conditions which he had caused and the receiver was
in perfect condition again.
Witnesses:
Special Agent,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
607 Foley Sq., HIC
Speoisu. Agent,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
607 Foley Sq., NIC "
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GAEL FiajPER in his statement dated June 30, 1941, on Page Four,
stated that he introduced WHEELER-HILL to JOSEF KLEIN who was in possession
of radio equipment and he also saw the radio set at KLEIN'S which was in
a small black box and portable.
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Sister:
Sister:
address in Germany
Sister-irxlar
Brother-in-law:
5* Employment Record
U,S, lines
.S. lines,
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HARTWIG RICHARD KLEISS, with
aliasest Herman Hartwig Kleiss,
Hardt, Hard, Jimmy Hard, Richard
Hermann, H. Herman*
130 East 94th Street, New Tork City.
Chief cook on S. S. AMERICA of the
United States Lines.
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July 20,
1940. Bureau Agents while shadowing STIGI2K and SIEQLER,
observed HARTSIG KT.KTSS i n h i s 1939 maroon Packard
Convertible Sedan with a canvas top, bearing New
York license plates 4-E-6255, drive FRANZ STIGIER
and ERWIN STJEGIER from New York City to 5714 Central Avenue, Ocean
City, where STIGIER climbed out of the car and talked
le who were later identified to be the relatives H l B
H H R as previously contacted by STIGLEE in PriTlaaelphia
^romthere they drove on to Salisbury, Maryland, arriving on. July
21, 1940, where Agents again observed them to stop near a m11
box located on H. Division and Isabella Streets, and saw STIGLER
again get out of the car and mail a letter, which when checked,
bore the address of MR. B. ZEHZBK3IR, care -ofl
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the envl-
then procSedeTon^oTewportNews where they becSecre^mStoers of
the S. S. America then in the shipyards.
(Serial 1987, page 40)
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HAMBURG
I finished my time in the south some weeks ago and
I am now on a trip to the West Indies. You will
have In the meantiae received my letters from the
south and probably the letter containing the various
patent notices from Zurich, Switzerland is in your
hands* It was too bad that during this tine I did
not have an inconspicuous camera. I had repeatedly
ordered one and 16*. Aufzug told me that X would
receive one vrith the next mail. I could truly have
used the same very well.
The yards there hare lately developed very well and
have employed 11,000 men* Various trade vessels
which have been improved for some time were launched
there* Also certain old ships from 4,000 to 6,000 -
tons from the so-called ghost fleet are being con-
ditioned there and reported to be the ones which
will be sold to England ............. k 35,000 ton
battleship which is just in the beginning, of Its
construction lays in the:slip and really has-been^
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"making very slow progress and I was stopped not
less than eight times on my walks around as there
is plenty about it going around*
All the planes of the marine ships which are in,
construction in these yards which I-have reported
are. prepared by Gtbbai and Gooks in Itfnr ibrk:, :> :* *
(Glbbs & Coxe) and I have in mind to find someone
. there. : <'' ' *' * '" '' '
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January 24, YOTUAM SEBOID received through the mail addressed
1941* to him at Post Office Box 67 at Madison Square
Station, ^ew York City, letter postmarked New York,
January 24th, which reads as follows:
"January 24, 1941.
Dear Harry
Jimmy likes to see you Saturday 8 PM. over in your
office and ER will visit you on Monday 83O PK
same place*
Best regards.
(Signed) ER"
(Serial 6332, page 4)
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I do not know whether he is entirely withdrawn
and unapproachable in spite of this I can't bring
myself to sinply let him fall by the wayaide. Time
will tell what Is wrong* He was otherwise a fine
fellow and for some months nothing better could be
wished ............. You will be able to remember
Mr. Richard Hermann who had so much craving for
caviar. Now what do you think he has brought about?
Since his name sounds too German and he found it a
hindrance in his business he changed it simply to
Jimmy or Hard. "What one here in America can't do
over night is often sinply astounding.
I have heard t h a t ^ H H m | M r a s also supposed to
have gone to Spain^newantea to visit you. At
that time I had given him a book in English for you.
Did he get it over to you all right? ...............
The same could be said about me as far as health is
concerned. If only the political situation here
was not always so strained. As a German half Jew
one must permit a great deal to be done to him here
as even the spy danger has become much too great a
propaganda medium. They also had me before them
and squeezed me out like a lemon ........
concerning nry income I had to give a record. Also
everything in entirety almost as in Germany vntll
they cane across the Jewish background, then it
became easier, and after two hours I could leave. I
think that here in America it will yet become
exactly as in Germany. Oh, they were very interested
as to whether I was a soldier in the last war. Well,
I wasn't in it ...............
Tour
The above letter is set out in full under the testimony of VJflLLIAM
SEBOID covering this particular day*
SEBOID ai'HAEDrS request printed the name JBMI H&SB
at the top of this letter. At the time HAR0 handled all of the above
materials he did not desire to have his handwriting appear on them
yet he appeared very anxious that he should get credit for the trans-
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mittal of the material to Germany. He therefore requested
SEBOID to print his name .TTMMY HARD on all of the aatetial, which
SEBOID id. PAUL FEHSE and LEO WAAJJEN walked into the office
while EEISS nas there tilth SEBOID* They appeared to knew one
another and did a lot of talking between themselves, mostly about
STIGLER jeing followed, then XT.KTSS left*
(Serial 6332, page 4)
VECtliAM
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A. Yes, he is*
Witnesses:
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION.
KOL & CO.
Record.
6.
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EEC:PAM
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Address: 130 H e e r e n g r a c h t
Amsterdam, Holland
S e r i a l 457, p p . 1 1 , 1 5 .
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TOTNESS CLASSIFICATION.
5. Employment Record.
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7ETNESS CLASSIFICATION.
KREUTZMSTEIN
William Sebold.
5. Employment Record.
FECiES
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November .21,; 1940 - German radio message number 62 was reoeived^on this date. It reads
as followsj
" F i r s t . Necessary to find one man in South and one in Norti who
are also willing to put up radios. No Germans. Seoond. For
"Bonn - Try to hire the following people, said to be O.K.
~ ironess Rene Bucovich divorced-Yon Friesen now married to
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Itali
former German
air officer and Fred Kreutzenstein, German Brazilian, known
sportsman. Latter two i n ^ew York telephone book. Expect
early r e p o r t . "
lovember 22, 1940 At a meeting between SEBOLD and DUQDESEE a t about 5jl5 P.M.
on t h i s d a t e , SEBOLD handed DTJQUESUE radio message number
62 s e t out above. SEBOLD said he suggested t o DUQDESEE
t h a t DTJQTJESNE should immediately contact the three
individuals named in radio message number 62 as the other
side expected a prompt r e p l y . SEBOLD said DTJQOESNE said he
would do t h i s .
December 11, 1940 At a meeting between SEBOLD and DUTJESE a t about 5:25 P.M.
cua Lids date, SEBOLD stated that he asked DTJQllESltfE i f he,
DTJQDESUE had made t h e new contacts as requested by the
German a u t h o r i t i e s . DUQUESIE said he had made a l o t of
i n v e s t i g a t i o n and did not think i t irorth while to contact
these people. SEBOLD then told DTJQTJESEE t h a t t h e German
a u t h o r i t i e s had asked him to contact these people. DUQGESKE
said he would t r y to contact them i n the near f u t u r e . .
January 2, 1941 DDQUESHE met SEBOLD on t h i s date a t the Van Axen restaurant s
on Gold S t r e e t . SEBOLD said he again asked i f DTJQUESNE
had contacted the three individuals he had been instructed
to c o n t a c t . DUQTJESIE said he had^motj t h a t he was afraid
he would lead t h e FBI onto these people. DUQDESIffl did not
d e f i n i t e l y i n d i c a t e t h a t he would contact these people,
BUGOVICH, YOU EYSSMHASDT and OETJTZENSTEIH.
description of
The following i s a
HEIMI
Hame with e
Frederich
In file
Photograph German
Rationality
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1ITNESS CUkSSIFICASION
HERMAN LANG
Immigration and Naturalization
Clerk, U S Dist. Court, E.D* of N.Y. Brooklyn
Immigration and Naturalization, Wash,DC.
Byron St. Dir. Immigration and Naturalization, Service*
5. Baploynent Record
L. Norden Co.
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became a Subject in this case as a result of the fact that his name,
HERM. LANG, 59-36 70th Avenue, Woodridge, Long Island, care of I.
C Norden, New Tork, with a password "Greetings fromftanttau,Berlin,
Hamburg11 and a message telling him to return to Germany by -way of
Russia and China was given to WILLIAM SEBOH) in Hamburg, Germany
about February 26, 1940 by DR. REHKEN, one of the heads of the German
espionage organisation. SEBOID was instructed to contact LANG upon
arriving in the United States and give him the said message. During
the conversations which took place at Hamburg between SEBOID, HEINRIGH
SOBAU who used the name Hugo Sebold, and DR. RENKEN who has been
identified by SEBOID as NICHOLAS RUTER, they made it more or less
clear that Germany had the American borebsight and had had it for
about two years though they inferred that it came from a plant in
Brooklyn.
(Serial 553, page 39)
ir i - r\
3ES0ID addressed . letter to HERMAN LANG
YTILLTJM*
using the address given in which he wrote n I
recently arrived in America and take the liberty
to give greetings from Rantzau, Berlin, Hamburg.
Please name a place and time where I can meet
you. I await your answer by return mail.
With regards
(Signed) HARRY SAWTER
Box 865,
Church Street Annex,
Hew Tork City.8
(Serial 553, page 38)
March 20, 1940, Letter which SEBOID had mailed to HERMAN LANG
was returned to him by the Post Office Department
there being no such address as 59-36 70th Avenue,
Woodridge, Long Island* SEBOID determined that
the city undoubtedly was Bidgewood instead of
Woodridge, and ascertained that LANG had moved
to 74-36 64th Place, Glendale, long Island, New Tork.
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March 23, 1940. WILLIAM SEBOLD went to 7A-36 6^th Place, Glendale,
long Island, New York, where LANG case to the
door* He introduced himself as HARRY SAHIER, and
said in the German language that he had greetings
from Rantzau, Berlin, Hanburg. LANG said that he
did not know what he was talking about but to come
in. During the conversation SEBOED told LANG that he was engaged in
German spy work. LANG asked him in good Bavarian German, if he came
from the German Consulate. He told htm that he did not; that every-
one who knew th^Conan^msnanrrin jail. He asked LANG if he knew
DR. GRIEBIi a n d ^ m m i ^ a n d LANG said sure, he knew them
from newspaper stories.
LANG asked him if he had any identification and
he said that he had none; that Rantzau, Berlin, Hamburg greetings
should be enough identification. He asked LADG if he wasn't in touch
with Germany, and LANG said he wasn't, stating that he had not been
in Hamburg and Berlin for a period of two years. He told LANG that
there was something phony because he had been given explicit in-
structions in Hamburg to look him up anl tell him to come to Germany*
by way of Russia and China. LANG said that he is an American citi-
zen and had no reason to go to Germany.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ J G s t a t e d that about a year before two men
named SOBNAHW/E/KKKKKKt*'0 see
hi** and asked M m about his
work and abou^hisoeing^amechanlc. The description that LANG
gave of SORNATJ fit that of Hugo Sebold or Heinrich Sorau. LANG
said he had no business with these men and hasn't heard from them
since. He denied sending any information whatever to Germany.
SEBOLD asked him if he hadn't sent over some blue prints from his
factory, the C. L NGRDEN CO. and LANG said he had not; that he
wanted nothing to do -with such business. After leaving LAHG'S
STgRnTn wrote tte foil/wring lfittftr AlidLJLaa-afint to HUGO SEBOLD,
confiden-
letter read, as follows*
"Mr. Hugo Sebolds
Dear Sirs ' ' '" 'r'r'~- ''-'."
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May 29, 1940 Read message #4 received from German and read in
part: "Lang knows Rantzau. If he feels secure
he may remain. If not, he should return at Rantzau1s
expense. A. good position for him here is securely
established. Greetings11
(serial 1266, page.33) -. .
June 1, 1940 WTTI.TAM SEBOLD went to HERM IANG'S home and handed
IANG the decoded message, LANG then asked him to
name someone else in Germany and mentioned the name
of GEORGE HENRY SQRAU. IANG claimed not to have
heard either of these. LANG then described Rantzau.
The description he gave was that of the man -whom
SEBOLD met in Germany under the name of DR. RENKEN and later identified
as being NICHOIAS RITTER. IANG did not recogniie the name of DR. REMEN.
He asked for another name. SEBOLD could not give him one. He then
asked him to radio Germany for other names and for more information
as he did not know if SEBOID worked for Germany or not. He also asked
for information concerning the shortest rcrate to return to Germany.
(serial 1401, page 4)
June 4, 1940 Message #7 was sent to Germany which reads in part
as follows: UIANG still doubts, Wants another name
from Berlin. More directions how to return Germany
and more proof he is dealing with right people."
(seriW. 1266, page 42)
June 7, 1940 German message #8 was received which reads in part:
"IANG answers follows next week.*
(serial 1446, page 4)
June 17, 1940 German message #10-was received which
"Further references for IANG are EEIE
and APOHNPA.PSOHN".
(serial 1446, page 7)
June 19, 1940 'WILLIAM SEBOLD went to LAKG'S home at which time
he furnished him a decoded copy of the message
. ^A received on June 17, l Q ^ ^ ^ ^ J G '.then stated
w ^~S that he knew BEIER a n d a | m p i n d that the last
L/ group of letters was intended to be FRHJZ SOBN,
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who had formerly -worked at the Norden Plant with him. SEBOLD asked.
IANG what he received for his services .and IAHG stated that he does
not receive anything except a promise to be taken care ot; that he
is not afraid of anyone in Germany as,h^^owsidolf Hitler in per-
son having fought -with him in 1923 arid 1927.'
IANG also stated when asked about the plans of the bomb
sight that he had everything in his head* He also stated that
knowledge of the bomb sight would be no good to Germany at the
present time as Hie/had this information tiro years ago. LANG then
discussed the possibility of going back to Germany but stated It
would be difficult to leave. LANG also advised that RMTZAU'S
first name is JTICQLATJSJ that he had been in the United States j that
he used the name of HITTER and that he has a brother in. Mexico.
?/hen questioned further with reference to the bomb sight, LANG
would divulge no further information but stated that he is the
only person who knows the facts about the bomb sight. LANG then
requested that SEBOLD radio Germany as follows s
"FRITZ SOHN of Eheintfals and BEJJER should right LANG
and advise best way to leave the U. S. A. and tra\eL connections.
LANG feels secure".
LANG also stated that if SORAJJ comes to the United States
he wants to s ee him right away. He also stated that apparently the
Americans had heard that the sight was on the other side and there
would probably be a plant investigation but that they would not
find anything on him.
(serial 1444, page 5)
June 20, 1940 Message #13 sent to Germany which reads as follows:
"LANG desires as soon as possible to hear from
FRITZ SOHN and BEEER. Then he would like to have
the best means of leaving by way of Mexico. His
wife is sickly and cannot stand a long journey. 11
Generally he feels fairly secure. I await answer.
(serial 1446, pages 20 and 21)
June 24, 1940' German message #11 was received which rej
parti "LANG'S answer follows next week."
, .- ____-_.^.-_ (serial 1632,; pagfiL-4)
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June 27, 1940 German Radio Message #12 waa received -union
reads as follows: *The three hundred sent ;
end of April for Lilly is lost* We have today
sent by "way of Siberia three hundred for you,
three hundred for Lilly, two hundred fifty for
-Dunn* Money goes to each direct. The man who
brings the imoriey over will be in Mexico in
August and help LANG with his journey. More details follow.n
(serial 1632, page
July 11, 1940 WILLIAM SEBOLD went to the home of LANG and
furnished him with a decoded copy of the radio
message received from Germany on Ju.ly 5~9 1940.
IAIIG stated that he.would communicate with
August. At the time SEBOLD arrived
apartment, LANG'S cousin was present.
After the cousin departed SEBOLD asked LANG if
his cousin knew about his transaction of the
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bomb sight and LANG said that he did not} that he was the only man
nho knows aboat "the Great American Secret". IANC1 .told SEBOLD a,
few things about the bomb sight. He also stated that he is not
acquainted Trith anyone in. the business in America; that he only
dealt "with men in Germany and that he feels he should have stayed
in Germany the last time he was there. He expressed doubt as to
inhether he -nould be able to leave the United States now. He re-
quested SEBOLD to radio Germany and ask assurance that he would be
reimbursed in the amount of 13000 in American Money for German
money for his stock losses and if so to deposit the money to his
credit in the Dresdener Bank and he also wanted to be assured that
all his and his wife's expenses "wauld be paid.
(serial 1930, pages 13 and 14)
July IS, 194Q Message #25 was sent to Germany which read as
follows: "LaKG desires assurance that you will
reimburs him $3000 stock losses in marks or
dollars. Deposit in Dresdener Bank to his credit
Also travel expenses from here to Germany. He
will w r i t e L n August. Greetings."
^^^ serial 2010, page A)
August 13, 1940 TOXIAM SEBOLD received a letter from LAKG setting
the dated for the appointment as August 14, 1940*
(serial 2244 page 31)
August 14, 1940 TTOuLIAM SEBOID visited IANG at his home at which
time he. handed him a: memorandum ..containing the
message received on August 5, 1940. LAUG"stated
that he did not believe it possible to leave"~the
country because of his position. LANG advised of
a friend in Mexico who "knows about our business
also". He stated this man went to Mexico last year
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reentered the United States recently and was held up at the border*
(This is apparently Hans Hitter) He stated that this party is
working on the Irish iai New York; that lie has a brother in the
Gestapoin Hamburg . (probably KICOLMJS BITTER, alias DR. HENKEN) /-
SEBQLD and IANG then discussed their positions and jfchose of the
other operators in this country. IANG Asked SEBOLD to send a
message to Germany that he is not returning to Europe because of
the local situation; that the 13000 should be changed into marks
and deposited to his credit in the Dresdener Bank and his sister
in Dresden notified. SEBOLD advised IANG that he had money to
purchase a bomb sight other than Norden1s and asked IANG about the
prospect of getting another kind. IANG made no direct admission
that he had already gotten a bomb sight, but said that Norden and
Sperry make the only good ones and that Norden's is the bestj that
Norden is now experimenting on a new sight and that he would see
what he could do.
(serial 2244, page 32)
August 22, 1940 Message #44 'ffas sent to Germany which reads as
follows: "IANG requests that $3000 be deposited
in marks in Dresdener Bank and his sister be
notified.he cannot come.11
(serial 2377, page 8)
October 16, 1940 TKLLIAM SEBOLD received letter from IANG post
marked at Brooklyn, N. I., October 15, 1940 in
which IANG stated that he would like to see
SEBOED on October 17, 1940.
(serial 3548, page 16)
October 17, 1940 TfJILIJAM S EBOLD visited IANG at his home. IANG
asked SEBOLD how tilings in general were going.
He also stated that SEBOLD should ask the other
side to verify the fact that the $3000 had been
deposited in the Dresdener Bank and his sister
notified. He stated he would like to send his
wife to Germany and then try to get oyer there
himselfv, He stated that,a friend, nno; isa.
member of the Gestapo of the German High Command, told him that a
man who was sent to the United States from Germany with 1000 for
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LANG'S friend and for a Jewess has skipped "with the money. LANG
hinted to SEBQLD that he should try to get him some money. LANG
stated that RANTZAU (NICOLAUS RITTER) had recently been in Lisbon
but had returned to Germany. LANG asked SEBOLD if he knows a man
in Sperry's who was contacted and recruited to the cause by RANTZAU
several years ago SEBOLD advised him that he'is dealing with a man
Who works for Sperry's. SEBOID said this man was supposed to get
him a bomb sight but is experiencing difficulties. He then asked
LANG what he thought of the possibilities and IANG said it is much
more difficult now than two or three years ago. LANG advised
SEBOID that at Norden's they are making experiments with three new-
glider sights} that these have a self-erecting attachment. He
asked SEBOLD to transmit this information to the other side. LANG
and SEBOLD then discussed SEBOLD'S contacts and how he gets money
over here. SEBOLD fiian handed LANG a copy of a portion of a micro-
photograph brought over from Germany by subject MEZENEN, which set
out instructions as to information desired by Germany. LANG stated
that he would see if he could not assemble this information for
SEBOLD.
October 21, 194-0 As LANG at the last meeting with WILLIAM SEBOLD
requested that SEBOLD make inquiries of Germany
concerning his money and also suggested that
SEBOLD try to f ind out about a messenger who was
supposed to bring some money to LANG'S friend,
SEBOLD prepared a message in code which read as
follows: "October 21, 19-40, letter #15. I have
seen LKNG. He asked me to notify you again that he would like to
have his money deposited in German marks and would also like to have
you notify his sister. He said that in case he has to disappear here
he will then have a reserve in Germany. Then he said his friend from
Mexico told him that a man had escaped with a 1000 which money was
for his friend from Mexico and a Jewess* Tk&ft, possibly had my address.
Is it possible that the man can cause me difficulties? Incase this
is so, please send me a personal description and other helpful mater-
ials. Greetings signed H. S"
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( S e r i a l 3851, p . 52)
(Serial #5250, p . 9)
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(Serial 6475, P* 2)
February 12, 1941 Message #182 was sent to Germany which was as
follows: ' "LANG .says his- firm does not receive .
time fuses from Switzerland but does receive
s^op clocks"and speedometers. He again asked
whether the money was deposited in iixe Dresdener
Bank".
Serial 5440, p. 8)
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LANG
As a result of questioning ^ ^ ^ ^
information was obtained by Special A g e n t J | B ( B B H B j f r o a i HERMANN
I M G . He stated that be waa bora at Scnwarsenbach Am Wald, Germaaj
on August 11, 1901j that he came to the United States in September
1927 and became naturalised in 1939. Ke advised that his father and
mother are deceased} that he has the following relatives living in
Schwarzenhach, Germany:
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questioned'about his last two visits to Berlin, -which were made in 1938
he denied that he had had any contact with any officers or officials*
LANG was questioned as to the identity of varioua persons
whom the file indicated he knew or had been in contact with and he
furnished the following information as to each*
EVA SCHMIDT, Schwarzenbach, Germany mother-in-law*
HANS RITTER: Lang stated that he met Hans Ritter in
about 1932^^^party given on a steamer in New York Harborj that
he met f H H H H H H V through Sitter* He stated that he had had
businessaealIngs*Rh HANS RITTERj that Ritter handled a transfer
of certain funds for him,
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meeting that Sawyer brought him a message which stated that LANG knows
RANTZATJ and that if he felt secure he could remain and if not he should
return at RANTZATJ'S expense. He also admitted that he then asked Sawyer
to name some people on the other side as he wanted to know who Sawyer
knew on the other side. LANG admitted that some tiae later SAWYER again
called on him at his apartment at which time he delivered to him a
message bearing the names BELUt and SOHN both of whom he knew. When
questioned as to whether he indicated to Sawyer that he would like to
return to Germany he stated that he told him that he would like to return
to Germany some day when the war is over. He stated that he could not
remember inquiring as to how he should return to Germany. He denied tell-
ing Sawyer that information as to bombsights would be no good to Germany
now as they had been in possession of information as to the bombsight for
two years. He denied telling SASUER that RANTZATJ<S first name is NICOLATJS.
LANG stated that he did not remember asking Sawyer to send a message to
Germany asking SOHN and BEIEE to write him,
LANG also admitted that SAWYER came to see hia at his
apartment in about July 1940, but he^ten^d having received any message
fres Sawyer which stated that one d ^ ^ w o u l d arrive in Mexico in
August and would assist him in returning to Germany* Ke^|teted that he
bid. does not xemember hearing anything about Mexicoor oneflM^BHBand he
denied that SAWYER wrote down the name oflSH^BBfor jBumwith the address
and handed it to him LANG was asked whexnerne^iad told Sawyer that
the bombsight was a contraption made up of mirrors. He stated that he
may have told him something like that but he does not believe he told him
from what position it was operated. He continually evaded admitting
having furnished any information as to the bombsight but at various times
stated that on occasions he furnished some information or made statements
to Sawyer in order to impress him but that these statements were not the
truth,
LANG admitted that Sawyer came to see him at his apartment
in about August 1940 at which time Sawyer furnished him with a message
stating that $3,000 was available for LANG, this message supposedly having
come from Germany. LANG stated that he did not believe -that SAWYER could
get this money for hia but told him to go ahead if he wanted to. LANG
admitted tnat he had discussed HANS RITTM with SAWYER but denied that
he had made a statement that BITTER knew about spy activities in this
country* He also stated that he did not remember discussing with Sawyer
his activities and those of the other men connected with Sawyer in New
Tork City. LANG admitted that he and Sawyer had discussed sending a
message to Germany asking that |3 000 which, WAS to be available for him,
be changed-into Marks and that it be deposited, to his credit in the
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Marks, made through HAUTZ &. COMPANY, 50 Broad Street, Hew lork
City, and executed by HERMANN IAKG on July 8, 1939, which document
indicated that Lang "intended to leave for Germany around the
Fall of 1939". This application for $5600.00 when paid in full
entitled Hermann Lang to the equivalent of EM 22,916, at the
preferential rate of 4*10 Marks per dollar, to be deposited for
his credit with the Cammers-und-Privat Bank9 Berlin, Germany.
The $2,000,00 paid^y Lang entitled him to RM 8200, which was for
his dieposal at the latter-named institution. The #2.50 over
and above the $2,000.00 covered cable charges to Berlin on the
transaction. The above #2,000.00 wasthe only payment made against
the original application. Attention is invited to the complete
file of the Chase National Bank of New Tork, #1674, relative to
the above Rueckwanderer Application executed by Lang.
In regard to the regulations governing Ruedkwanderer
Marks, attention is invited to Decree #104 issued by the German
Minister of Economics as of July 20, 1936, which readst
w
In my decree, No. 53-35, I have already
declared my agreement, in principle, to the
release to immigrants of blocked marks which
the immigrants hare purchased abroad with a
part of their foreign money and provided that
the balance of their assets is turned over t
the Reichsbank in the form of foreign exchange*
This arrangement continues i& force for immi-
grants who come from countries which hare
exchange restrictions insofar as immigrants
are not in possession of free foreign exchange.
Applications of such immigrants must continue
to be lodged with the Devisionstelle, Berlin,
which has received administrative instructions
from me. A release of blocked marks can, however,
only be considered for such blocked mark balances
which the immigrant has been able to acquire
despite the exchange restrictions of his former
country of residence* Insofar as a part of the
possessions of the immigrant is te be surrendered
to the Reichsbank, this can be done also through
a clearing account of the Reichsbank, This arrange-
ment gives the immigrant a considerable capital
gain* " ... - :- .---.
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^ foreign Department,
The Chase Jjarionai~Bakk of New Xork, who i s thoroughly familiar
with the general mechanics of Rueckwanderer applications, will
testify as to the HERMANN LANG transaction mentioned hereinbefore*
- The margin account of Hermann Lang w i t h ORVIS BROTHERS
& CO., Stock Brokers, 14 Wall Street, New York City, was examined
from September 16, 1937 to July 16, 1940, and i t reflected a debit
balance of $463*44 as of the l a t t e r date, with the following stocks
"long" therein:
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AgentflHH| obtainec _ ^
L. NDRW, INC., 80 Lafayette Street, New
fork City, the salary paid to Hermann Lang for the following
years:
1937 $2,468.96
1938 1,845.77
1939 2,685.33
idvised that Hermann Lang was on leave of
absence from Carl L Norden, Inc. from June8|1938toSeptember 29,
1938, during which time Lang was believed fl)HHHVto be
**
Germany. All salary payments to Lang and otneremployees of the
above firm were made ia cash and none by check* A Christmas
bonus of one week's salary was paid to Lang and other employees
in 1937 and 1938, which, bonuses are included in the salary paid to
Lang as shown above* No bonus was paid to any employee of "Carl
L* Norden, Inc. for the year 1938 due to CIO labor unrest* The
U W'
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OF US Tax H Tax
10.00 5.00 8.00
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JAG:FKT
(11)
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On August 25, 19
j Hamburg American Line informed Specia ^^^ the
"OldBate" Steamship Ticket, as mentioned hereinbefore, was a
preferred rate to Hermann Lang for the reason that he, Lang, had
made a deposit of $20.00 on these tickets in 1937 and that the
1938 rate would have been #12 to $15 higher than the 1937 rate*
In regard to the address of Hermann Lang "5936 70th
Avenue, Woodridge, I. I., New York" as shown on Invoice #0-4521
of the Hamburg-Amerika little, dated Hamburg April 4, 1938, mentioned
herein above, attentioniskjvited to the Summary Prosecutive Report
of Special A g e n t f l p m New York City, dated July 30, 1941,
Pages 14, 15, a n d T ^ ^ w h e r e i n it is showm that this is the same
address RENKEN handed to Informant SEBOLD on a slip of paper, on
which was written the address of Hermann Lang as "59-36 70th Avenue,
Woodridge, L. ! c/o L C. Norden, He* Yark"# (This address should
be 59-36 70th Avenue, Eidgewood, L I., N. !*) Renken told
Informant Sebold to record the address in his book and return this
slip of paper to Renken. Renken advised Informant Sebold that Lang
was a friend of his and hs should look him up and give him the
message "Greetings from Rantzau, Berlin Hamburg" and tell Lang
to return to Germany; that all Lang's expenses would be taken care
of, and that he, Lang, would be provided with a pea it ion in Germany;
also, that Lang should return by way of Japan, At this same meeting
between Informant Sebold and Renken, HUGO SEBOLD was present, and
the latter tore out of a notebook a page of addresses which he
handed to Informant Sebold and told him to copy them, which were:
X
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CLASSIFICATION
CIAYTON
Possible
2. 5/27/40
Conn. Pats.
Eastman Kodak Go.
6/28/41
_ 6/28/41
Post Office Inspector in Charge
5/14/40
2/22/40
4/20/41
5/3/40 to date
8/18/40 on
6.
FEC:CD
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.. R S J E V E U N CLAYTON LEHIS ,,.
24 West 76th Street,
New Toik City, N. T.
* # * *
April 17, 1940 On this date the Eastman 'Kodak "Company replied to "'.-':"
LESIYIS1 inquiry about iiffra-red photography and anti- .>
fog devices by stating the recent steps in infra- ";
red research and enclosing two pamphlets dealing with
the general subject of infra-red photography. '
(S, 1339). I,:.
FEC:CD 2
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Mention is made at this point that on January 10,
1941, information was mailed to WILLIAM SEBGED by
DOQUESNE for transmittal to Germany and this
material seems to be identical with that received
by IESSIS from the Eastman Kodak Co, on April 17,
1940.
(S. 6655, Page 3 ) .
FEC:CD 3
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Hie fHewing is the substance of conversations
overheard as a rcsalt of a micrc^hone snrreillance maintained on
Subjects DUQUESKE and LEWIS at 24 West 76th Street, Mew York City,
The name appearing at the end of the brief statement of the conver-
sation Indicates the name of the Agent who will testify to the con-
versation:
May 3 , 1940 LESdS stated that she was very pro-Hitler and that
America instead of being neutral i s pro-British.
fHERKXRK}
May 5, 1940 LEBIS said she threw out several newspapers but
looked through them first to see whether there
was anything in them which would interest DUQUESHE
-(NEWKIRK)
JBC.J /, U.71+W BUQUESKE t c l d EEftIS about a chap who hadn't seen him
for years but who looked him up recently, DOQUESNE thought
that t h i s individual night be a detective and LEWIS
remarked t h a t i t was funny he should look him up,
indicating that she thought also that he might be a
d e t e c t i v e ^ J L a t e r on LEWIS asked DUQTJESNE i f he had
inf orntecj^^mpAiat t h i s chap might be a spy.
DU3UESNE said yes, he did,
-(NEHKERK)
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May 24, 1940 LE0IS described Hitler as an ideal leader. She told
DUQUESNE she had heard that all mail except that to
France and England had been stopped. She also told
DUQUESNE that because they had their eyes on him he
couldn*t do anything anyway and DUQUESNE said that
nothing ever gets done if someone doesnrt start it.
(NEWKERK)
May 24, 1940 DUQUESNE asked LEWIS if she t&d "those numbers for
him." EESTCS asked DUQUESNE if they were for his
record and DUQTJESNE told her that he wanted to send
them to Washington. Subsequently there was a sound
of typing, after -which DUQTJESNE nd IEIffIS audibly
checked some numbers. The nuiribers subsequently
appeared to be patent nuntoers, information concern-
ing which patents was requested in the name of
EVELYN CLATPON IMIS,
May 26, 1940 IEWIS told DUQTJESNE "If our place was searched we
would both probably go to .jail."
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June 13, 1940 LEWIS asked DUQUESNE if he could have done what he
did last tine if the F.B.I. had been organized as
it is today. DUQUESNE said he could have because
he introduced a new system.
(NESKIH&)
June 15, 1940 DUQLTESHE told IEBOS that he had been to Metz and
Belfort (positions in the Uaginot lane) many times
to study the lay out of then
June 20, 1940 DUQUESRE told LEfflS that if she had lied as such as
he has, she would know that people never find out
the truth.
(HSNKIRK).
S
DUQUESNE complained to LEWIS about the extent to
July 23, 1940
which surveillances were being maintained upon him.
and his activities* H H H H B ^ ^ DUQUESNE
and LEWIS during the evening^Ka
DUQTJESHE instructions on how to ge^Tonis farm
and theydiscussed firearms which JJUQUESHE
find a t ^ H I ^ a r i B . TJOQUESNE then related | | H s )
an indden^^5.ch occurred during the course of one
of the surveillances being maintained on him by aen
either from the F.BI.I* or the District Attorney"1 s
Office*
August 9,
1940 DUQDESNE described to H B In the presence of .
LEWIS, his efforts t o get a gas mask through which
i t would be possible to carry on a^onversaticn.
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August 18, DUQffESNE told LESfIS that she should not read hie
1940 letters. LEWIS answered that she wasnH interested
in DDQTJESHE^ letters axid she" wasnH' reading then.
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September 16, LEWIS and DUQUESNE again discussed surveillances
being maintained on them.
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September 18, DOQUESNE said to LEWIS, "I guess thai last letter
1940 I wrote got to Bermuda all right. Ton don't under-
stand, it never got to Lisbon* There was nothing
in it so it doesn't hurt me." IEffJjS then asked if
it makes anything further ineffective* DUQUESNE
said that maybe not, that two boats left on that
day, and there is a fifty-fifty chance that he got
on the other one.
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December 17, DUQUESNE asked hwere his black paper was* He then
1940 said "I am just sending this letter to see if it
will get through." DUQTJESNE and LEWIS then dis-
cuss the surveillance being maintained on them.
(NEWKTJRK)
December 2 4 , money i n t h e p r e s e n of
1940 ' h i c h LEWIS p a i d
rent*
numbers on the bills handed|
fby EE3SIS were checked and it was foi3
that they corresponded with serial numbers on
certain bills handed to DUQUESNE by WILLIAM
SEBOID.
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Mention i s h e r e nade of the f a c t t h a t s h o r t l y
after t h i s date TTtLLIAM SEBOID received a l e t t e r
from i)TJQTJESHE concerning gas s h e l l s i n Ttoich a l l
of the above words appear*
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the recent departure of HANS RHTEE for Japan.
Stated that she knew one of the_
DUQUESNE also talked about|
FThey also discussed censorship.
February 15, DUQUESNE and LEWIS had a long conversation, the sub-
stance of which was that DUQUESNE was unable to go
to South Africa as requested by the German authori-
ties because the private business of LEWIS was too
pressing at the time the German authorities requested
him to make the trip. DUQUESNE told LEWIS that there
was $15,000. on a plane for him in New Tork to be
distributed in South Africa, but that someone else
hahd handled the promotion of it. DUQUESNE then said
that he is always going some place and that he has to
figure out when and where to go for bins elf * TJ3IIS
said, "Thatts true. I love you ...... but I realize
that you hare things to do, that's your job. Tou
have to do it and that's all there is to it."
LEWIS then asked if he would come back, and DUQUESNE
said he would*
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March 13, UOTIS t she would like to bare fun
19a with by telling him she has seen the
F.B.I, men wo him around.
4 (NEWKIRK)
April
L
ISSIS stated that she would like to get a short
19a wave radio set before the Government takes them
all up or prohibits them.
April 16, IBSIS stated that she .-was willing to trust the
19a future to the Germans who "just look like men
from another world."
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April 18, LEWIS told DtJQTJESNE that she told her cousinTs
1941 husband that DrjQUESNE i s either the greatest
herb or the worst v i l l i a n she has ever seen, depend-
ing upon whether one i s pro-JE
April 20, DUQOESNE and IEHIS had two visitors and DUQUESNE
1941 talked at great length in the presence of the two
visitors and IEWIS about his activities as a
saboteur and intelligence agent. LEWIS told her
visitors that she was with DUQUESNE when four "of
them" were following them. DUQOESNE and IEWIS
also discussed the death of LORD KITCHMERe
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LEWIS
!SS
Stenographer
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PAM
R. T* NEWKIRK
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STATEMENT OF EYELSi CIAYTOH LEWIS
Made in the Federal Building, Brooklyn, N . T
Room 536, on July 2, 1941.
Present: EVEUN CUYTON LEWIS
Stenographer.
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I likewise recall that DUQUESNE spent considerable tiae
studying a dictionary and recording numbers after such study.
At one time I typed a l i s t of numbers for DTJQTJESKB, which appeared
strange to me, but I never inquired as to what they were.
He was likewise interested in news clippings of a
military nature, such as aeroplane production and other data
along that same line, and at various times had asked me to clip
certain items out of the paper, which I would do.
DUQUESNE likewise discussed with me on various occasions
the use of invisible inks and the manner in which invisible inks
might be made.
I have on several occasions observed DUQUESNE putting
a hot iron to a piece of paper or a l e t t e r , but did not know the
purpose of t h i s .
At one time I recall writing something on the typewriter
en the inside of the rectangular surface of an envelope. I do
not recall what I wrote at that time but believe that I did not
finish the message, whatever i t was*
DUQUESNE was likewise interested in saving a l l the
black paper, such as black kodak paper, and at one time I observed
him applying white powder to that paper
I have also noticed DUQUESNE developing his own film
in the apartment.
1 I knew for a fact thatOTQUESNEsent considerable mail
to foreign countries and recall asking him whether or not there
was anything in these l e t t e r s which would involve him. He told
me that this wouldn't make any difference.
Concerning a note which I wrote for DTKJUBSNE, which I
previously mentioned, I now recall that at one time I accompanied
DUQUESNE to a place on York Avenue* At that time DUQEESHE was
attempting to locate & woman by the name of Rothar* Subsequently
we returned to lie apartment and I wrote a note to a man by the
name of Sawyer for DTJSJUESNE.
Some time after that I recall receiving a telegram,
addressed to me* Upon opening the telegram I saw that i t was a.
"request to- call Marie. Rothar. JT discussed this with DUQTJESNE and
he told me to forget about the telegram as i t was tteanVfor Mm
and the matter had already been taken care of.
DTJQTJESNE also at one tine told as thafr he bad sent
telephone books to Europe but I believe that -was some tine ago*
I have at -various times typed letters for DTJQUESHE to
such places as the TJ. Se Government Printing Office, requesting
information of a technical nature.
Likewise on a few occasions I nailed letters for
DDQUESNE.
I have read the foregoing statement, and it is true
and correct*
Dated Brooklyn, N Y.
July 3rd, 1941.
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j ^ ^ ^ ^ l ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ J of Special
Agent f ^ H H H H ^ a n d SpepSu&gentjHHHHBte'riio are known to
me as SpeciSHEgenta of the Federal Tivireai^nS^sfilatxon. This,
statement i s riot made as a result of promises OK threats and I have;
been advised that i t can be used against me in Court at some future
am 25 years of
age, wa ^ ^
N Y. I present
with
gaged in the operation of a specialized prjntJngbusxnesswhicb. goes
under the trade name ' S^y- hobby for some 5
or 6 years has be radio and I am"TTTicensed operator, my
call letters bein I received my f i r s t license on March 1,
1938 and my licens' 5newed on April 1, 1941*
. The fellow named ALEX was told by KLEIN that he had a trans-
mitter there which would give a 100 watts input and I believe i t was
shown to ALEX at that time. That was the transmitter KLEM had
built for himself with my help, mentioned previously, to be operated
when he would have received his citizenship and his license. This
also indicates that I helped him in the construction of this original
transmitter. I asked KLEIN whether the fellow ALEX was an amateur
or why he wanted the transmitter and KLEIN told me that he was taking
a course at the Y.M.C.A. in order t o become an amateur operator.
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Quite a while elapsed before any attempt was made to pay the
balance due above the cost of material* A few nights before the equip-
ment was removed, these two fellows, ALEX and the other, came up to
KLEIN'S and discussed paying off the balance and removing the equip-
ment* The other fellow seemed quite attentive to code signals we picked
up on the receiver and in general seemed to have a better knowledge of
radio that ALEX, also a better knowledge of the code* This was sometime
during the Fall of 1940*
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WITNESSES:
Special Agents, F. B. I* ,
607 Foley Square, New York, N Y
"T
ULiOQ
fork, *. T.
{
Inretlatlon. No thr*t or praadyifte hav bttn wad* to ne, and
X ba* btn told that I z*4 aft** m stftttaptit. X know that
anything I say eaa b uad against a in oourt.
ay first l&tas*
on Mtroh I, ijm and my Uttat* wa on April 1, 19U.
X ast JOSI? X&HI fully ixyawi ago through a printer
ahwwd ttat M m with MM, vh X few*. tWLa m i a t flOSo
LudagWa 4rnM# Ktw Irk City. H btHM int-ratd in amatoor
rail* through y f f o r t , . B dS4 Aft M M wry it*Mt4 for *
|s nwh wny t fnyN i n w t la tMStinr squlpiaai #r to uapari-
In th*t >sptei. I 4MI4*4 ilurt ainot h u applyiog for
bo fi
HIXI j t l l tomb with t* Mi t i l l M that te b4 '
ly AXtt, b Ml bwn W0OWT>Jd tgr * party
kncnm to m elartt t tfa OnianU Bittt
l a waa' X ^
tesa <sl wmm^bsn bs
to that *>Uk m* built for gtSti pewoaal
4U| | - f Ajf in niniiMi4jfcf. t)w| saaia ijsstt%* naHBusr^ K M I
^P^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ F " P ^F ^FJP * ^^^^^^W* PJ^P^ ^^^jj^m^(B|B, ^ ^ p . m^^mr WF^mBmFmpmF^p^B^^^BymmH^H^pm^ i^pp^w ^p^pp^w^ ^S^^iv,
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Be had been asking at tfet usual ran of questions about the technical
a b i l i t i e s od oo forth of the transmitter tad tM# exyttfl u J * -
queeted, * f*r M I oan riwnbe*, *t before hi u leaving, i t
alee b a t requert, whioh ** the origtaal order, for * 40 s i t w
aaateur ezyst*!. A* AUCJ int m% h$ 0m u to wderttead that in
"/to fur m worn oeacersed, m woald no* t inv*lTd in thla affair
v nd w wouli b replbl# fr n3FtWUig tbftt i # t bappsn, ALEX
had * **ry na-t^r <U*poitin U & polct *iert I tim<litly dialiicsd
hla and KXJUM tM he fs i t tlst M M */. Thia, hflwrmr, had not
btn th mm on AU|K* pwrriow v i a i t wbn he tdkaA ith KLBXS
ud X M as* {HMMHfe* 6o ALBLf 4oubt aboot tfat
Uno at Moh tbs transittir adgJrt rttt, b u told I t mm
/ capabl* of 5psrUng ftitwai th worU providing goo4 tlU
proper wUnr* and e forth mm \mA* fb* OSL oajrd
i i t d that tl origlaia ti^wdttr whieh
i
I BKIMOI^ |K#ri<isly as hating
th wINafiS wui shown t to psrw that the &t*tlne e eselly
attain*-*L1to'-the tr*aslttr wttvx&mrxto* Uo at thi tint th
<ia8tion ax-WHr e a auggeetien farao AiEX that a generator to b run
off on a storage btttry, be obtained.
X >3>lnlrd that X did not think i t possible beoaufl, tbt on
X kowf of in the fona of gentr was not oapabl* of delivering th*
i d and tiat b d
^-~ X HAS told by ELKBf eubseqxiaat to this Tlait a t whiah X "t
7
/ ALB1, that SCHQIZ h*d Tiritwl BJEXi ahortly aftemaaft* and told KLHlf
t o onatruB* aa >H||nr tranmlttMr fdnUr to th w bring sad* f
ALEX and not W l e t AUX know 1% ma btlag *(*. thi* eoorad
mlttr M t bo d*livoi*A to SCKCLZ bwi oopXetod d b *nUd I t
in OMO tho ons whioh AU& t o obtain wa oorufi#o*tod or tolaod bo-
of
Aftor *rsnff8aoot bad boon aado to eonstraet the sot fox*
AUK* AL51 gavo mMM tho ory tUth *iieh to purohaso tho part and
wo bigan nmotfiXing *ft#r t h i o . Inoidontolly, tho soooai tranoaltto*-
which WM to bo built for SCHOLZ woo to W ehargod to A3JX i n tho MIX.
In. other worfta, i t m* to bo worked i n ther* without his kaenrlodgo.
fi the ucooodiafi *eek, the generator and the
oro ootaitruttad and the' trmnsnltter Xor AU3 ooapletely
"
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I
At the t i n WSSM and Z dUes**** t h i s , gZXXff togipstl
th pooiibiOity that ALE or BOM Master ot this group sdght be
oonnecUd with th a c t i v i t i i a of this i*& who M am**** and
by rotam f the arr*t, tt*jr vro afraid to tcatfa i n p
f atich aa itH a tranoalttlns r*dio and therfer, thy
tVTifig to rewrt the ttujpioion a t by returning th i
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION.
William Sebold.
5. Employment flecord.
'of the
German Espionage system in Hamburg. VULLlAil SEBOLD became acquainted
with him at the Klopstock Pension in Hamburg and received fifty
marks from him on one occasion. SEBOLD also overheard him discussing
rental payments with MRS. GUT, "who later informed SEBOLD that
" " ^ ~ lid for rental and food for the occupants of the Pension.
DESCRIPTION
NAME
Height
Build Slight
Peculiarities Very bald, -wears glasses
Speaks English well
Well-dressed
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MTNESS CLASSIFICATION.
William Sebold.
5 Employment Record.
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YffTNESS CLASSIFICATION.
Passport Bivision.
10/5/40, 2/17/41,
12/10/40,
9/24/40,
12/10/40,
9/24/40,
12/10/40,
1/17/41,
5. Ekrployment Record. ,
an imerloan Airways,
^U.S.S. lines,
'an American Airways,
^)i. "*"
JWV:PAM
MEZENEN attended public school in New York City, and also attended
Styvesazrb High School from September, 1919 until March, 1923. However, he
did not graduate from this institution. M E Z E M T has had jobs as a waiter
and steward with the Porcupine Club, Nassau, British West Indies, the
Links Golf Club on Long Island, and the Waldorf Astoria Hotel.< He has '
served as a butler for the Baron and Baroness de Hasper in Franoe, He ,
allegedly was in business for himself for a period at' Amiiiyvilie,' .L>>:!T*i^
as an interior decorator and painter. From February 9, 1939 until 'jfuly''l5,
1932 he was employed by the TJ. S. Lines Steamship Company as a steward.
On March 8, 1939 he became a flight steward for the Pan American, Airways,
and has been employed in that capacity since that time. He %s assigned to
the Atlantic division, and makes the New York to Lisbon, and New York, to
Bermuda run. MEZEUEJT is unmarried and resides alone at his apartmen.t in
Flushing when in New York- ' . . . .-.-;, ,' .
JWV: PAM
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evidently concerns radio message $35 sent to Germany, -which asks how
accumulated'"bulk materials should be sent, since the U. S. Lines no
longer go to Europe. , ... " -
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. . . .
b. Wew York Journal American, August 25,
1940, a r t i c l e "The American Eaglet".
''"** --
JWV:PAM
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It may "be necessary to find friends in the air forces itself, who
may be able to give you'- such information. I am sending for this purpose
another five hundred bucks.
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JWV: TML
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He said that he had someone to hide them, and then three hours after the
ship was in the hangar in Hew York, he had someone to go get them out.
SEBOLD asked him how much he wanted to continue the vrork, and he said that
it was only fair if he carried things that he be paid a couple of hundred
a trip. In discussing the spy business, MBZENE1I remarked, "They can get
me for the violation of the Neutrality Act, but if there is a war, then it
is high treason". MEZENEN exhibited some English pound notes, and said
that he pays $8 for these in Lisbon and sells them for |20 in JFerr York;
that the man he deals with wanted him to buy 500 pounds, but that is a lot
of moE^y in this kind of traffic.
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Mm Tork, X, I .
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MPj^|p^HpHBj|p ^B^BJP^pfOjppjppP ^P^iRH'OV'Sr 1 TJMPJPBJSBV^P ^S*S>- ^ S ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ W I I ^ B / O ^ 4jr ^Svr ViSmv w^^ * B iSiai^^ fP*Bvja|^^
t
^ ^ f#fm,l wtiT<pbfftoi*'*| %ij lwttor> ami articios
from aaftaiaoo. I ttooroforatodtwo paekagoa irisiea X took to
lltassseet
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TONESS CLASSIFICATION.
William Sebold.
5. Employment Record.
Ls indicated to be an associate of
HEIIfelCH SORMJ in German Expionage activities. He enters this
case under the following circumstances:
(Signed)
(Signed) HBIHKICH"
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THTNESS CLASSIFICATION
William Sebold.
5. Employment Record.
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WITNESS CLASSIFICATION.
H. PETERS.
5. Employment Record.
GSAiJUW
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TOTNESS CLASSIFICATION.
bid.
1, Immigration and Naturalization.
William Sebold.
T. J. Donegan - Statement of Paul Fehse.
5. Employment Record.
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Re:
Address:
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On Hoveiriber 7 , 1940 LILLY STEI1T r e c e i v e d a
c r e d i t of $200 t h r o u g h t h e CHASE EATIOKAL BAKE. The
payment was t h e r e s - a l t of a cablegram r e c e i v e d b y t h e
CHASE HATIOKAL BASK frma thsCEEDIT FEAKCO-PORTIIGAIS,
Lisbon, Portugal, acccrant The cable author-
izing the |200 payment, a l s o a ed "800 succeed".
s not
The real identityflHJBP-
Serial 6309, p.10.