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I would like to see some evidence to support the claim before believing it. Agreed but quantum states in superposition imply and indeed point to
consciousness preceding matter and not matter before consciousness. I find the fact of human consciousness and free will to be a strong argument
for some sort of transcendence. You completely misunderstood his point and you fail terribly at making yourself logical. If so, how can he say that
since it is subjective? So many dumb atheist blow hards, so few stray meteorites. Any other trademarks referenced on this Website are the
property of their respective owners. Use one of your book credits to continue reading from where you left off, or restart the preview. Giving me
my order at the drive through window? Since the logical absolutes are conceptual, they transcend all people at all time and are absolute in all
circumstances. If it is true, then it is false. If something is at all provable in this world, it is the fact that scientists repeatedly find proof that other
scientists have been wrong in their findings. Nevertheless, this is a good example of the need to define terms and establish the necessity of
absolutes. A Satanist judges God. Tried a couple of Linux boxes. It has fundamental implications for the basis of mind, our place in the wider
universe and the relation of mind to matter. For centuries, many have tried to use this kind of abstract reasoning to prove the possibility or necessity
of the existence of God. Close Dialog Join the membership for readers Get monthly access to books, audiobooks, documents, and more Read
Free for 30 Days. As far as proofs there are too many to mention, but the basis of quantum mechanics is consciousness double slot experiment for
one. Just journalistic pieces that went mostly unread. The fact that you understand less about consciousness than the implications of physics which
is in no way your fault , the educational system failed. To think dead matter created consciousness is insane. Works with unicorns that fart
rainbows too so they must be true. What a load of horse shit and a cop out. All right, let me leave a comment without the F word in case the
other one gets deleted. It goes as follows: I also subscribe to several science magazines and have independently learned a great deal about the
physical sciences as a hobby. Then when all information is gathered, we could postulate the occurrences that match, then counter the science.
Curious, I wonder how many lies you believe because you heard people who, like you, spoke fervently about a subject of which they either lied or
had no clue. Better yet, how does it translate to a specific, interventionist god as the one depicted in the bible? We still have to use brain matter. Its
easier than actually explaining something. AV likes mindless appeal to accomplishment and authority. Their foul behavior, combined with Bill's
unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of logical absolutes, made continuing the discussion very difficult, and it became fruitless. The G Proof
how the Axioms and Predicate Logic are used to rigorously prove a phenomenon exists that: A quick search with the tool Lycos. If you do so
based on logic, then you are using logic to defeat itself which is not logical. No, you just don't understand. Therefore, it can only be false, and there
are such things as logical absolutes. Says God's name is Steve. Proof, I want proof. Something you may enjoy. Click to Read Page Two: Those
who believe in miracles are not denying that there is such a norm or rule: Also yes as in rudimentary. So, if you would like for me to believe what
you are stating, then please link me to the experiment that concluded that consciousness precedes matter, because I have not been able to find it.
This is one of the tactics I have seen atheists use in text based chat rooms on the Internet. Consciousness precedes matter and not the other way
around, this coming from minds as great a Sir Roger Penrose to Albert Einstein. Show all comments Page 1. The materialist is wrong based on
simple science. Thanks for taking the time to write it!! It is here that we notice that a person has to be able to detach themselves from their
passions when doing Science because we will exhibit clear-cut evidence on the existence of fallacies on the proofs of God presented by both
thinkers in this piece. A cannot be both A and not A at the same time. We define God as that which is perfect. Oh no change on your end.