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2nd November 2017, 02:24 #1

TomLeftist Join Date: Dec 2016

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Are poor americans too scared and too shy to become marxists?

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I have a question. How come many poor people in USA, are still voting for the traditional capitalist parties (Democrats and
Republicans), when they are aware that the state public health system (medicaid, medicare, social security, food-stamps etc)
has been privatized little by little since the introduction of Thatcherism, Reaganism, and Neoliberalism to the USA in the 1980s,
all the way until today with the neoliberalism Obamacare and Trumpcare.

From my own point of view. I just do not understand the reason of why poor people are also living in parking lots, in their cars,
taking showers in public bathrooms, living in motels 3 days a week, and the other 4 days in parking lots, in their cars, because
houses, apartments and condos are priced at around 900 dollars or more a month. And since the US economic system is no
long able to provide many dollars toi the whole USA, to all americans. Because of the kidnapping, highjacking of the dollars
produced by a small top upper class. I just do not understand how come those poor US voters are still voting and believing in
the free market political parties. When the rational thing to do for poor people who are living a hell on earth, without houses,
taking showers on Mcdonalds bathrooms etc. should've been to be more communists, more marxists, more violent, more
agressive than Karl Marx, Che Guevara, Durruti and Lenin.

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2nd November 2017, 04:05 #2

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Honestly, I'm afraid the main reason is just ignorance, which is a void that's easily filled with capitalist propaganda, jingoism
and bigoted identity politics. The state of class consciousness today is abysmal.

But I wouldn't rule out that some of them might be simply "shy" or "scared," namely of becoming pariahs if they live in an anti-
socialist bubble and are isolated from like-minded people. After all, in the US at least, "socialist" has been successfully turned
into a slur, and "communist" into a call to exorcism.

[T]he notion of capitalist democracy ha[s been] rendered into an oxymoron. Peter Thiel, VC-ist, PYPL, FB, $2.6B.
Theres class warfare, all right, but its my class, the rich class, thats making war, and were winning. Warren Buffet,
investor, BRK, $81.1B.

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2nd November 2017, 14:07 #3

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Yeah, and why don't *I* have a swimming pool in *my* private airport -- !
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Yesterday, 05:42 #4

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You are right, I guess that most poor US citizens are really closet-communists, but they are still not ready to come out of the
political closet and become radical leftists

Originally Posted by Fellow_Human

Honestly, I'm afraid the main reason is just ignorance, which is a void that's easily filled with capitalist propaganda, jingoism and
bigoted identity politics. The state of class consciousness today is abysmal.

But I wouldn't rule out that some of them might be simply "shy" or "scared," namely of becoming pariahs if they live in an anti-
socialist bubble and are isolated from like-minded people. After all, in the US at least, "socialist" has been successfully turned into
a slur, and "communist" into a call to exorcism.

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Yesterday, 10:00 #5

CommunistOrganon Join Date: Oct 2017

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The revolutionary left is disorganized, obscure, and plagued by its own past as well as the totalizing capitalist material reality
and the cultural hegemony of capitalist thinking. The working people and the underclass, the precariat, etc. are not organized
as a class, and even if sometimes capable of carrying out spontaneous actions which arguably have both proletarian content
and not just subversive but revolutionary potential, these actions (because of the state of being disorganized) remain separated
from each other. I guess nothing more serious will happen until there is not a cataclysm that will be apparent, sensed by most
of the working class, and will be clear that it was caused by the capitalist system itself, and not just a 'malfunction' of it.

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Today, 00:26 #6

The Intransigent Faction Join Date: Apr 2008

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Originally Posted by Fellow_Human

Honestly, I'm afraid the main reason is just ignorance, which is a void that's easily filled with capitalist propaganda, jingoism and
bigoted identity politics. The state of class consciousness today is abysmal.

Yep. The trouble is we have to engage workers under present conditions, but present conditions make reactionary explanations
more readily accessible.

The stigma around socialism is still strong, and it will take a lot of work to change that.
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Well, what does it mean to be a Marxist or a Communist today? Nobody, it seems, knows for sure. Some of us are trying to find
out. I am. I don't have a clear answer by far.

Sorry for not developing this more, but I have to sleep. I just think this is important.

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