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The Stark Arc Reactor is most likely a Multi-Isotope Radio-Decay Cell.
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Let's look at what we know about the arc reactor from movies 1 and 2:
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Mk 1 Arc Reactor.jpg
The full-sized arc reactor looks a lot like a toroidal "Tokomak" plasma
containment system for standard "hot fusion":
Tony Stark (L) and Obadiah Stane (R) in front of Stark Industries' arc reactor
Real world equivalent: ITER fusion reactor
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So what does the arc reactor's torus (donut) shape tell us? It means there are
charged particles moving in a circle, contained by a magnetic field. High-energy
particles usually have high energy because they're moving very fast, and
magnetic fields can curve the motion of charged particles. Curving the particles'
motion into a circle keeps them in one place long enough to get them to collide.
You may notice that current fusion reactor designs have a lot of magnet coils on
the outside of the torus, whereas the Stark Industries arc reactor has a viewing
window. Plasma containment is the single biggest challenge for hot fusion, but
the arc reactor makes it look effortless. From this we can conclude that a key
technology in the full-scale arc reactor is a way to contain the reaction in a
self-sustaining ring. This line of reasoning is definitely backed up by the
toroidal field lines drawn in the Stark Industries arc reactor blueprints:
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Palladium has been proposed as a substrate for "cold" fusion that does not
require hot plasmas and containment toroids, but this concept is pretty widely
discredited in the real world. Palladium does, however, have some interesting
capture and decay properties. Wikipedia: Isotopes of palladium
Another isotope, Pd-107, produces Ag-107 (silver) via beta decay, releasing an
electron when a neutron turns into a proton. (This is kind of the opposite
reaction as the above.) Now, in real-world physics, the electrons balance the
resulting atomic nuclei -- silver and rhodium have different numbers of protons
from palladium, and the produced/consumed electrons just balance out the
proton count so there is no net flow of electricity.
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The palladium core of the device would most likely be Pd-107, which emits
high-energy electrons as it decays into silver. This is a pretty stable isotope
that we would expect to be present in the normal (non-separated) palladium
that Tony might salvage from a conventional weapon.
Since we know the device uses charged particles travelling within a ring of
electromagnets, I surmise that a tiny amount of Pd-103 is ionized by an electric
arc (thus the reactor's name, and start-up power requirement), which then
allows Pd-103+ to be circulated at high velocity within the outer ring of the
device. The ionization acts to delay the electron capture step until the atom
encounters a free electron, and the high kinetic energy due to velocity increases
the chances of electron capture occurring once an electron is encountered. In
effect, the radioactive decay of Pd-103 can be started, stopped, and throttled by
the device simply by controlling the ionization and circulation of the Pd-103.
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So to summarize: electrons project outward from the inner core, and gamma
rays project inward from the outer ring. Because this electron/photon
counterflow creates a deficit of electrons (relative to protons) in the core, a
massive electrostatic potential is developed and the palladium core attracts
lower-energy electrons from the suit's wiring. The ejection of electrons from
the core towards the rim of the device produces an electrical cell capable of
generating enormous voltage and current.
In the outer ring, the high-energy free electrons collide with high-
energy Pd-103+ ions. This causes instantaneous electron capture and
gamma ray emission. The gamma rays are deflected inward towards the
core, thus catalyzing further electron emission and producing a self-
sustaining reaction. Note that the reaction is self-sustaining, but very
slow while the reactor is idle.
The electron flow from the inner core to the outer core creates an
electric potential difference. When a circuit is created through the suit's
electrical loads, the outer ring has an excess of electrons and the inner
core has a shortage of electrons. This creates current.
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The palladium slowly converts to Rh-103 and Ag-107, and the reactor
runs out of power when the palladium is fully consumed.
Top view of my concept vs the Stark Industries blueprint, with cut-away side view
below.
I can't speak for the next-gen "new element" arc reactor, but presumably it
replaces the palladium isotopes with a hypothetical element that also undergoes
gamma-ray-mediated beta decay, but in a less-toxic and higher-output fashion.
Several other lines of evidence also support this type of nuclear decay / electron
flux reaction being the mechanism for the arc reactor. First, the reactor's glow:
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Notice the similarities? Unlike electrical arcs, the light from Cherenkov
radiation is quiet, cool-blue, and fricken' awesome. This is a no-brainer -- the arc
reactor's glow is definitely being produced by high-energy electron flux.
Another aspect of the original model palladium arc reactor was poisoning due
to "palladium toxicity". It's very possible that palladium is simply being ejected
from the device into Tony's blood by all the high-energy collisions going on, but
this doesn't explain the freaky circuit-looking lines on his chest, and it doesn't
explain why doctors can't help him.
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I have a theory that fits the symptoms better. Remember, the proposed
palladium decay reactions produce rhodium and silver. Excess internal silver
is known to stain skin blue:
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Discovery Health "Why can colloidal silver turn your skin blue?"
Rhodium compounds also stain skin, and are highly toxic. (Chemical properties,
Health and Environmental effects ) In fact, because most people have
essentially zero exposure to rhodium, the toxicity of rhodium is very poorly-
understood. This perfectly explains why Tony didn't seek help from the medical
establishment for his accumulated heavy metal toxicity -- because he knew the
doctors wouldn't know how to deal with rhodium poisoning. Tony Stark didn't
have simple palladium poisoning, he had "palladium decay-product"
poisoning!
So you see, everything fits together perfectly. The evidence all points towards
the arc reactor relying on a Pd-103/Pd-107 radio-isotopic decay cell to
produce electrical current. I will start working on my own arc reactor
prototype and will post updates when I produce a working replica.
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Monti Parauha, Trying to figure out how to grow up and fit in with society.
Answered May 24, 2016
It started with me ranting about how I should understand the physics of arc
reactor more and then Sera needs some babel speak ideas for her Tony.
I know this has been discussed deeply by most iron man fanatics before, but this
is the simplified version for people who can’t be bothered to understand the big
science-y words. I’m not saying that this is accurate because I’m not a nuclear
engineer either, and I hope I can get some feedbacks from people who actually
understand this.
Since vibranium is not actually a real element, I’m focusing on the old arc
reactor tech that runs on palladium.
Let’s do a bit revision on fusion, yes? During nuclear fusion, light atoms
combine to form heavier elements; in the process, a small fraction of mass is
converted into lots of energy. Fusion reactions are called thermonuclear
reactions because high temperatures are required to overcome the coloumbic
repulsion between the nuclei being fused, i.e., “thermo” for the heat required
and “nuclear” for the interactions that occur.
The fusion reaction occurs when the fuel (two types, or isotopes, of hydrogen
known as deuterium and tritium) combines to form a super-hot plasma which
produces, alongside the helium, neutrons which have a huge amount of kinetic
energy. Sounds like the arc reactor!
Many articles relate the arc reactor with cold fusion because of the use of
palladium as the cathode. Wiki: Cold fusion is a hypothetical type of nuclear
reaction that would occur at, or near, room temperature, compared with
temperatures in the millions of degrees that is required for “hot” fusion. Cold
fusion is not exactly a true fusion reaction. Stanley Pons and Martin
Fleischmann achieved this cold fusion on a tabletop in 1989, but if it was a true
fusion reaction, everyone in that room could’ve died from the radiation emitted.
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I think it’s safe to say that iron man’s arc reactor does not emit any kind of
ionizing radiation (other than easily stopped alpha and beta) because tony
would’ve been more worried about radiation poisoning than palladium
poisoning.
The article was long and boring but it has images of the supposedly fusion
reactor:
It’s huge, probably just like the one they had in Stark Industries? The scientists
who tried to copy tony’s miniature reactor couldn’t do it, and we’re also not tony
stark, so maybe we haven’t figured out how to miniaturized it yet.
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Some people relate the arc reactor to a tokamak reactor. Wiki: A tokamak is a
device using a magnetic fieldto confine plasma in the shape of a torus. Achieving
stable plasma equilibrium requires magnetic field lines that move around the
torus in a helical shape.
At first I disagree with these people because I thought the reactor was used to
power up the electromagnet used to stop the shrapnels from moving towards his
heart? But remember when pepper helped him install the upgraded reactor and
she pulled the exposed copper wire along with the magnet? And then she just
put in the new reactor by touching the wire to the base plate?
The movie interchangeably refer to the device as keeping the shrapnel out of his
heart and keeping it beating. The latter is supported by both this scene and the
comment by Dr. Yinsen that the arc reactor could “run (his) heart for fifty
lifetimes. The opening exposition in the cave explaining the danger of the shrapnel
explains that it takes "about a week” for it to kill its subjects. Given how fast he
started dying both in the scene with the copper ring and when Obadiah forcibly
removed the arc reactor, it’s entirely possible that the system is also acting as an
admittedly very fancy pacemaker.
The copper coil is left over from when Tony threw together the miniature ARC
reactor during his time as a captive. Since the ARC reactor functions as a powerful
electromagnet to keep the shrapnel out of his chest, it can be assumed that the
copper coil is really just there to act as a residual magnet if and when the main
unit needs replacing. Since Pepper pulled it out and Tony didn’t have a spare
copper coil on hand, he went into cardiac arrest. It’s really just there so he doesn’t
go into cardiac arrest every time he needs to replace his chest piece. I’m sure he
pops a new copper coil in there later on.
This simply means that the tokamak needs power to create the fusion reaction.
This is where it differs from tony’s arc reactor.
And then there’s the problem with the cooling system. The suit may have a
sophisticated system but if you look at the one from the caves, it has a tiny fan at
the back for cooling. But the reactor should produce a lot of heat from the
thermonuclear reaction that needs coolant like water or molten lead. So when
tony is not wearing the suit, where does the heat go? Must not be very nice to be
near him with all that heat. I mean, Tony is hot but literally hot…? I don’t think
so.
I think that’s it! Most people had the same theory so it goes back to cold fusion
and tokamak, while non scientific discussions just speculate everything vaguely.
If there’s anything inaccurate, just point it out! Maybe there are info from the
comics or movies that I missed out? And if you have any question, just ask.
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Footnotes:
-Palladium has many isotopes. Not all of them are radioactive. I don’t think tony
used the radioactive isotope for his reactor because in the caves, he got the
palladium from the weapon components, so it cannot be radioactive.
-Please don’t start with the 3 gigajoule per second energy it produces because
even nuclear power plants irl cant produce that much energy.
-and the repulsors! They don’t obey newton’s third law for flying, sorry. There
aren’t much discussion on the repulsors but there are plasma based military
weapon in the making? Might not be as advanced as the Jericho or the iron man
but it’s real!
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Originally Answered: What would be the most possible physics behind the Arc Reactor of Iron Man?
The Arc Reactor does not exist in the comic book series, so what little we see in
the movies is all we have to work with.
It you want a term, this is probably a zero-point energy device that someone
breaks the known laws of thermodynamics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zer...
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I agree that the "arc reactor" comic book gadget looks vaguely like a tiny
tokamak fusion reactor, except for the transparent walls, the white glow, and the
conveniently compact size. Unfortunately, real tokamaks like the ITER are as
big as a barn and made mostly of metal. Physics does not have Iron Man on the
menu.
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Steve Brown
Answered Nov 1, 2012
The closest energy source in real life with that high of energy density is atomic
energy. Most likely it would have to be some form of controlled atomic fission
into currently known elements since in the second movie the element he creates
is much higher in atomic number than any previously known element (if it was
fusion he would have created at least one more new element even higher in
atomi...(more)
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Kristijan Grozdanovski
Answered Jan 13, 2014
Maybe when the electro-magnets positioned toroidaly along the ring torus are
deactivated, the highly-energized particles loose confinement (as the "Magnetic
Mirror" is deactived) and are directed towards the enemy, straight from the Arch
Reactor... Problem is the particles will still have to be mirrored with magnets and
directed/focused outside the armor and body of the pilot...
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I think it was inspired around the nuclear pacemaker which uses promethium-
147 as a source of radioactive energy. Unlike stark however this doesn't produce
explosions or cause someone to levitate. However scientists are working on
another try of nuclear reactor known as LFTR and they hope they can make it
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small enough to power cars and mobile devices. This reactors can produce a lot
of energy from very little amount of Thorium, a common radioactive metal
found everywhere. One day we may make one small enough to carry around yet
strong enough to produce an electromagnetic field that cause us to levitate. No
explosions tho cause well you know what nuclear explosions do to anything at
close range
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Originally Answered: What would be the most possible physics behind the Arc Reactor of Iron Man?
However I concur with the other postings. It is not possible, with the current
understanding of physics.
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Here are some solid advancements on the ARC by a team at MIT, much smaller
and cheaper than previous designs. Apparenetlly it is possible due to improved
commercially available superconductors. They increase the magnetic field thus
increasing the amount of power. Increasing the magnetic field yields
exponential improvements on the capability of the ARC and therefore leads to
more rapid advancement.
Another key to consider is how much smaller and cheaper this would be,
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Interesting note: Before we 'nerds deal with it', pay a little homage. Much of
what we have today is in fact due to Tony Stark, a fictional character. Sound
odd? When Iron Man first blasted on the scene we had bulky tubes and
transistor radios. Iron Man introduced miniature transistors (fake science),
there became a secret race to build iron man style armor (ala Iron Man 2, and/or
the Armor Wars), and thus they had to in fact build micro transistors. They
failed in building the suits, but Japan won in the micro transistor race and
modern electronics sprung from that Cold War era style of thought "we got to
build this or someone else will and there will be a gap" arms race.
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Davis Seidel
Answered Mar 18, 2016
The Arc Reactor was a force center made out of unadulterated vitality, and was
the wellspring of the first Iron Man Mark suits, later changed to a propelled level
by Tony to power his suits, as they continued moving forward. The second bend
reactor is made of a component that Tony Stark made in the second film.
Stark Industries was once fueled by an Arc Reactor, however it was crushed
when Pepper over-burdened it. It is obscure what happened to the reactor after
this occasion.
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The Arc Reactor is additionally the force behind Stark Tower and a scaled down
bend reactor was made to control the Iron Man suit. Requiring something better
to control the electromagnet keeping the shrapnel in his mid-section from
coming to his heart and his arranged Mark I suit, Tony manufactures his first
Mini-Arc Reactor based off the vast one fueling Stark Industries. Utilizing it, he
succeeds in getting away and later moves up to the Mark II variant while the
Mark I is surrounded by Pepper Potts as evidence that Tony has a heart.
Tony utilizes the new bend reactor to power his Mark II and Mark III suits, yet
has it stolen by Obadiah Stane to create his individual Iron Monger suit. Tony
recovers his Mark I reactor and uses it to control the Mark III in combat against
Iron Monger. The reactor isn't sufficiently capable to control the suit for long so
Tony has Pepper over-burden the Large Arc Reactor, making a vitality surge and
blast that executes Stane and demolishes the Mark II reactor while the Mark I
comes up short on force.
Tony later makes the Mark III reactor to supplant his annihilated Mark II. The
Arc is controlling off a point in like manner and positionally-stable pair of time
waves.
I recommend reading How Iron Mans Stark Arc Reactor Would Work In Real
Life .
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Start there.
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But then it's completely fictional, and violates more laws of physics than I can
think of right now.
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I like to pretend that the Marvel universe has several more forces that enable
things like heavy plasma and miniature high power generators and that the Arc
reactor taps into these other forces.
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Sanjay Mann
Answered Sep 17, 2013
Actually, Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) have been shown to have some
basis in fact, which could give some credence to Palladium as a facilitator.
Google "LENR" for more details. Anyway, if you want to know how the producers
of the movie came up with their ideas, it's best to ask them, because art and
fiction are products of imagination.
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"I propose that Howard Stark found a way (using comic-book physics) to utilize
the beta decay of Pd-107 ions as an electronsource for the electron capture of Pd-
103, thereby producing an electric circuit between two different radioactive
isotopes."
What if: Decay rates are time waves or interference from nearby dimensions.
These time waves interact with our matter, which is made up of differ...(more)
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Treyton Nugent
Answered May 22, 2015
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Base on the movie,the Stark Arc Reactor,including the one in his chest and the
one in the company, is probably a magnetic confinement devices,like Tokamak ,
stellarator.This kind of reactor use a magnetic field to confine the
reaction,totally different from another kind of reactor in NIF(National Ignition
Facility Project ) in California.
Recently ,the lockheed Martin fusion reactor stuff means the same theory
above.Of course that's impossible,at least in the coming a few decades.
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It's very simple...... Through nuclear science.......... Pd, H(isotopes like tritium)
engage with each other producing some excess electrons. Those excess elec are
stabilized by the built in core... And boom! It generates good electricity
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The Stark Arc Reactor is most likely a Multi-Isotope Radio-Decay Cell. Since
this is a fictitious device, and it has no "official" scientific explanation in the Iron
Man canon that I'm aware of, I'm going to make something up. I'm mixing real
science and fake science here.
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It's a fictional theory bro, however people have answered your question & those
are very relevant answers.
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Jakub Lipka
Answered Aug 3, 2014
Kelly Garner was closest to the real thing in my opinion. How I understand it, is
based on unified field theory that's why in the movie Stark could practically
convert any type of energy and still mamange to pack it all up. Stark in his
understanding of science and intuition, found where was the key error in
modern physics that has been inherited for ages and also he was able to think in
an abstract way like an quantum physicist without going to far.
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It is not a real reactor .It is a fake,and its created to run the movie according to
the script.But real reactor is under construction
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I will have to say that you kind of messed up there on your investigation. It is
physically impossible for anything to be faster than light, now; There is a theory
that states that if we were somehow able to manipulate space, we could be able
to can't contract it to form smaller distance gaps (again to theoretically) beat
light. But even so we can't manipulate it yet. And there's tons of more i...(more)
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these r fake as shown there becz in arc reactor there is a combination of energies
of a kind of reaction of one atom fusion......which releases heavy energy n this is
imposible to handle by that reactor which is fixed on his chest
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It is his heart, that is the simplest way to say it.. that is why he had heart
transplant on part 3 of his movie..
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ia wan t to say may be the suit that he is wearing draws electricity or uses the
magnetic field to create the power
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Kiran Padhiyar
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Dhruba Sengupta
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I have discussed about this in school with many teachers and friends.They say
that it is fake.Because radiations from Pd is harmful.also it is impossible to plant
PD reactor in chest.But I will say - "WE ARE NOT GOING TO PLANT ARC
REACTOR INSIDE OUR CHEST.OUR CASE IS JUST LIKE RHODEY,NOT STARK
!!!!!!!!"
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Gladson Solomon
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its a self sustaining energy. made of pallidium of wt 2.6 grams and it prevents
the shrapnel from entering his heart
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Veeru Verma
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