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djvoic3 Jun 9, 2016 19:12:23 GMT
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Hey Guys.  Is there a current guide on what to do to when one installs LED
lights (ie:reverse,license plate, etc.) to a car that never had them thus
eliminating the need for resistors?  

Thanks.


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Jun 9, 2016 19:12:23 GMT djvoic3 said:

Hey Guys.  Is there a current guide on what to do to when one installs
LED lights (ie:reverse,license plate, etc.) to a car that never had them
thus eliminating the need for resistors?  

Thanks.

djvoic: Leuchte programming makes a distinction between incandescent lamps


and LEDs! The adaptation channel that does this in a Leuchte-set is the
"lasttyp" channel. Here is the list of permissible setting for the Lasttype channel
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The actual voltage signal to the lamp changes depending on what setting is
used (LEDs are current devices - not voltage devices): basically, the time
period of the PWM square-wave doubles and the quantity of modulation varies
with the Dimmwert setting. Here is a voltage trace that I took on a car with 43
allemeine LED setting and a 50% Dimmwert value showing the PWM
attributes of the square wave:

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The same voltage trace with an incandescent setting in the Lasttyp channel and
a 50% Dimmwert value has a 10 msec square wave frequency and a 50/50
on/off period

So, in general, whilst it is sometimes possible to operate an LED with an


incandescent setting, it's better to use an LED value when an LED is used to get
the best performance from the lamp IMO (it's always better to be truthful - tell
the BCM what type of lamp you have installed).

Don

Last Edit: Jun 9, 2016 23:14:25 GMT by dv52 (Australia)


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mathmk7 Oct 1, 2016 10:00:03 GMT via Tapatalk
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Is this work if I changed my bulbs for leds type with error free ?

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dv52 (Australia) Oct 1, 2016 22:55:31 GMT
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^^^^ mathmk7: As with all things in life - there can be no guarantee that
there will never be any error free installations by using my advice (especially
since there are so many sellers of dubious LED lamps on the net that claim that
their products are compatible with mk7 vehicles!
But in general, it makes sense that if you retro-fit an LED lamp into the car
where previously there was an incandescent lamp, you will get better
performance if you tell the Body Control Module (what ODB11 calls "Central
Electrics") that there is no longer an incandescent lamp installed!

However, my suggestion won't make a bad, or cheap LED operate correctly on


your car!

Don
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marklaxton993 Oct 3, 2016 2:20:45 GMT via Tapatalk
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Hi dom I have fitted led tail and brake lights also indicator and reverse all work
OK I have dimm the taillights as you could not see the difference between
brake and taillights
Can you please tell me how to change the settings from incandescent to led
bulbs in central electric
Mark

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Oct 3, 2016 2:20:45 GMT marklaxton993 said:

Hi Don. I have fitted led tail and brake lights also indicator and reverse
all work OK I have dimm the taillights as you could not see the
difference between brake and taillights
Can you please tell me how to change the settings from incandescent to
led bulbs in central electric
Mark

Mark: hello. So what you need to do is to first identify the "Leuchte-Set" for the
lamp base that you have retrofitted LEDs using the table below
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"LEUCHTE_SET" name > FUNCTION - LOCATION
Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 > Indicator rear left (inside) (LED rear lights)
Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3 > Indicator rear right (inside)
(LED rear lights)
Leuchte18BLK HLA60 > Indicator rear left (outside) (taillights)
Leuchte19BLK HRC31 > Indicator rear right (outside) (taillights)
Leuchte20BR LA71 > Parking light / brake light, rear left (tail lights)
Leuchte21BR RC8 > Parking light / brake light, rear right (tail lights)
Leuchte22BR MA57 > Brake light, rear center (third stop light)
Leuchte23SL HLC10 > Parking light, rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte24SL HRA65 > Parking light, rear right inside (taillights)
Leuchte25KZL HA59 > License plate light
Leuchte26NSL LA72 > Rear fog light Rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte27NSL RC6 > Stand lights behind both inside (LED taillights)
Leuchte28RFL LC11 > Reversing light, rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte29RFL RA64 > Reversing light, rear right inside (taillights)

Then for the Leuchte-set, you need to change the setting in the adaptation
channel with the descriptor Lasttyp to an appropriate LED value from the
table that I posted previously. Here's some examples
For the left outer brake light, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte20BR LA71 and
an appropriate LED setting is 34 - LED Bremsleuchten. If this brake
light is a combined brake/indicator,as for NAR models in USA, then the
more appropriate setting is 35 kombinierte LED Blink-Bremsleuchten
For the left turn signal, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte18BLK HLA60 and an
appropriate LED setting is 38 - LED Blinkleuchten
For the left parking light, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte23SL HLC10. There
isn't a specific LED setting for this function, but many factory LED fittings
use 34 - LED Bremsleuchten (also)
Similarly for the reverse light, there isn't a specific setting. But you could
try a general LED setting like 40 allgemeine LED

Don

PS: Of course you will need to enter the magic number 31347 before you
attempt to make changes

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marklaxton993 Oct 3, 2016 16:31:50 GMT via Tapatalk
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Hi don change all of them settings thank you very much carnt see any
difference but probably make the bulbs last longer
Mark

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Jamie Feb 4, 2017 22:20:17 GMT via mobile
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hey Don, I'very recently installed a set of LED fog lamp bulbs to replace my old
set, mostly to match the temperature of my new headlights from ED,(golf R
reps) however, I throw a fault and a warning shows for "check left & tight fog
light!" on my dash, I'm not overly concerned with the fault as long as it's not
shown in my MFI, however, farther scan also shows a fault for my side marker
lamps. I'd ideally like to clear all the faults. mostly I'd like to make these light
preform to the best of their ability, not knowing German is making things hard,
not to mention I'm confused where to find the fog lamp channel... any help or
clarification would be must appreciated!

-Jamie

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dv52 (Australia) Feb 4, 2017 22:43:09 GMT
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Feb 4, 2017 22:20:17 GMT Jamie said:

hey Don, I'very recently installed a set of LED fog lamp bulbs to replace
my old set, mostly to match the temperature of my new headlights from
ED,(golf R reps) however, I throw a fault and a warning shows for
"check left & tight fog light!" on my dash, I'm not overly concerned with
the fault as long as it's not shown in my MFI, however, farther scan also
shows a fault for my side marker lamps. I'd ideally like to clear all the
faults. mostly I'd like to make these light preform to the best of their
ability, not knowing German is making things hard, not to mention I'm
confused where to find the fog lamp channel... any help or clarification
would be must appreciated!
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-Jamie

Jamie: Hi . If your fog lights are wired as per the OEM standard, the 2 x
Leuchte-sets for the front fogs will be:

Right side: Leuchte13NL RB5


Left side:  Leuchte12NL LB45

Once you have searched and found these Leuchte-sets, locate the adaptation
channel with the title Lasttyp  - the current value for this channel is likely to
be 10 - allgemeine Scheinwerfer. Change the setting to 6 - LED
Lichtmodul on both sides.  Clear the trouble codes then switch-on the front
fogs.

Don

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Oct 3, 2016 5:05:07 GMT dv52 (Australia) said:

Oct 3, 2016 2:20:45 GMT marklaxton993 said:

Hi Don. I have fitted led tail and brake lights also indicator and
reverse all work OK I have dimm the taillights as you could not
see the difference between brake and taillights
Can you please tell me how to change the settings from
incandescent to led bulbs in central electric
Mark
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Mark: hello. So what you need to do is to first identify the "Leuchte-Set"


for the lamp base that you have retrofitted LEDs using the table below

"LEUCHTE_SET" name > FUNCTION - LOCATION


Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 > Indicator rear left (inside) (LED rear
lights)
Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3 > Indicator rear right
(inside) (LED rear lights)
Leuchte18BLK HLA60 > Indicator rear left (outside) (taillights)
Leuchte19BLK HRC31 > Indicator rear right (outside) (taillights)
Leuchte20BR LA71 > Parking light / brake light, rear left (tail lights)
Leuchte21BR RC8 > Parking light / brake light, rear right (tail lights)
Leuchte22BR MA57 > Brake light, rear center (third stop light)
Leuchte23SL HLC10 > Parking light, rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte24SL HRA65 > Parking light, rear right inside (taillights)
Leuchte25KZL HA59 > License plate light
Leuchte26NSL LA72 > Rear fog light Rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte27NSL RC6 > Stand lights behind both inside (LED taillights)
Leuchte28RFL LC11 > Reversing light, rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte29RFL RA64 > Reversing light, rear right inside (taillights)

Then for the Leuchte-set, you need to change the setting in the
adaptation channel with the descriptor Lasttyp to an appropriate
LED value from the table that I posted previously. Here's some
examples
For the left outer brake light, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte20BR
LA71 and an appropriate LED setting is 34 - LED
Bremsleuchten. If this brake light is a combined
brake/indicator,as for NAR models in USA, then the more
appropriate setting is 35 kombinierte LED Blink-
Bremsleuchten
For the left turn signal, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte18BLK HLA60
and an appropriate LED setting is 38 - LED Blinkleuchten
For the left parking light, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte23SL HLC10.
There isn't a specific LED setting for this function, but many factory
LED fittings use 34 - LED Bremsleuchten (also)
Similarly for the reverse light, there isn't a specific setting. But you
could try a general LED setting like 40 allgemeine LED

Don

PS: Of course you will need to enter the magic number 31347 before
you attempt to make changes

Hello Don,
what is the difference between "33 - LED-Modul Blinkleuchten", "35 -
kombinierte LED Blink-Bremsleuchten" and "38 - LED Blinkleuchten"?

My car is a Skoda Fabia III:


- Front turn indicators: from 21W halogen to 1,5W LED // Leuchte0,1 //
one of the above 3 (?)
- Low beams: from 55W halogen to 30W LED // Leuchte6,7 // 5 - LED
Abblendlicht (?)
- High beams: from 55W halogen to 30W LED // Leuchte8,9 // 6 - LED

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Lichtmodul (?)
- Front fog lights: from 35W halogen to 30W LED // Leuchte12,13 // 6 -
LED Lichtmodul (?)
- Rear turn indicators: from 21W halogen to 2W LED // Leuchte18,19 //
one of the above 3 (?)
- Rear position/brake: from 21W halogen to 2W LED // Leuchte20,21 //
39 - LED Bremsleuchten (?)
- Rear position: from 3W halogen to 1W LED // Leuchte23,24 // 39 - LED
Bremsleuchten (?)
- Rear fog: from from 21/5W halogen to 2W LED // Leuchte26 // 1. LED
Tagfahrlichtmodul Versorgung (seems stock on MK7, Touran), 43.
Allgemeine LED (seems stock on Passat, Tiguan 2), 32 - allgemeine LED bis
12W (seems stock on Octavia III) (?)
- Reverse light: from 21W halogen to 2W LED // Leuchte28 // 37 -
allgemeine LED bis 12W (?)
- Interior light: from halogen to LED // Leuchte30 // 36 - LED
Kleinleistung, 43 - allgemeine LED, 44 - LED Fußraum- oder -
Innenleuchte

Which one is the best Lasttyp for each light, out of the (more or less right)
proposed?

And out of curiosity, what's the difference between the various instances of the
same type of load, example: 40 - allgemeine LED and 43 - allgemeine LED?
Which one should you choose if there are multiple loads with the same name
but different number?

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Aug 26, 2017 11:46:33 GMT yankarinrg said:

Oct 3, 2016 5:05:07 GMT dv52 (Australia) said:

Mark: hello. So what you need to do is to first identify the


"Leuchte-Set" for the lamp base that you have retrofitted LEDs
using the table below

"LEUCHTE_SET" name > FUNCTION - LOCATION


Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 > Indicator rear left (inside)
Posts: 886 (LED rear lights)
Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3 > Indicator rear
right (inside) (LED rear lights)
Leuchte18BLK HLA60 > Indicator rear left (outside) (taillights)
Leuchte19BLK HRC31 > Indicator rear right (outside) (taillights)
Leuchte20BR LA71 > Parking light / brake light, rear left (tail
lights)
Leuchte21BR RC8 > Parking light / brake light, rear right (tail
lights)
Leuchte22BR MA57 > Brake light, rear center (third stop light)
Leuchte23SL HLC10 > Parking light, rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte24SL HRA65 > Parking light, rear right inside (taillights)
Leuchte25KZL HA59 > License plate light
Leuchte26NSL LA72 > Rear fog light Rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte27NSL RC6 > Stand lights behind both inside (LED
taillights)
Leuchte28RFL LC11 > Reversing light, rear left inside (taillights)
Leuchte29RFL RA64 > Reversing light, rear right inside
(taillights)

Then for the Leuchte-set, you need to change the setting in the
adaptation channel with the descriptor Lasttyp to an
appropriate LED value from the table that I posted previously.
Here's some examples

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For the left outer brake light, the Leuchte-set is


Leuchte20BR LA71 and an appropriate LED setting is 34 -
LED Bremsleuchten. If this brake light is a combined
brake/indicator,as for NAR models in USA, then the more
appropriate setting is 35 kombinierte LED Blink-
Bremsleuchten
For the left turn signal, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte18BLK
HLA60 and an appropriate LED setting is 38 - LED
Blinkleuchten
For the left parking light, the Leuchte-set is Leuchte23SL
HLC10. There isn't a specific LED setting for this function,
but many factory LED fittings use 34 - LED
Bremsleuchten (also)
Similarly for the reverse light, there isn't a specific setting.
But you could try a general LED setting like 40 allgemeine
LED

Don

PS: Of course you will need to enter the magic number 31347
before you attempt to make changes

Hello Don,
what is the difference between "33 - LED-Modul Blinkleuchten", "35
- kombinierte LED Blink-Bremsleuchten" and "38 - LED
Blinkleuchten"?

My car is a Skoda Fabia III:


- Front turn indicators: from 21W halogen to 1,5W LED //
Leuchte0,1 // one of the above 3 (?)
- Low beams: from 55W halogen to 30W LED // Leuchte6,7 // 5 -
LED Abblendlicht (?)
- High beams: from 55W halogen to 30W LED // Leuchte8,9 // 6 -
LED Lichtmodul (?)
- Front fog lights: from 35W halogen to 30W LED // Leuchte12,13
// 6 - LED Lichtmodul (?)
- Rear turn indicators: from 21W halogen to 2W LED //
Leuchte18,19 // one of the above 3 (?)
- Rear position/brake: from 21W halogen to 2W LED //
Leuchte20,21 // 39 - LED Bremsleuchten (?)
- Rear position: from 3W halogen to 1W LED // Leuchte23,24 //
39 - LED Bremsleuchten (?)
- Rear fog: from from 21/5W halogen to 2W LED // Leuchte26 //
1. LED Tagfahrlichtmodul Versorgung (seems stock on MK7,
Touran), 43. Allgemeine LED (seems stock on Passat, Tiguan 2), 32 -
allgemeine LED bis 12W (seems stock on Octavia III) (?)
- Reverse light: from 21W halogen to 2W LED // Leuchte28 // 37 -
allgemeine LED bis 12W (?)
- Interior light: from halogen to LED // Leuchte30 // 36 - LED
Kleinleistung, 43 - allgemeine LED, 44 - LED Fußraum- oder -
Innenleuchte

Which one is the best Lasttyp for each light, out of the (more or less
right) proposed?

And out of curiosity, what's the difference between the various instances
of the same type of load, example: 40 - allgemeine LED and 43 -
allgemeine LED? Which one should you choose if there are multiple
loads with the same name but different number?

 hmm........ there really isn't a definitive table of LED settings that would suit
all different mk7 model versions in all the different markets in which the mk7 is
sold. The lasttyp setting for LED fittings varies depending on what the lamp is
required to do by the local lighting rules in the country. Here in Australia, we
have the Australian Design Rules (ADR) and in the USA they use the
Department of Transport (DoT) rules, and they fundamentally require the lights
to do different things!

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For example, in Australia because we have separate orange rear turn signal
lamps, the Brake-light has the Lasttype setting 34 - LED Bremsleuchten
(because the outer tail light is just a brake-light and parkiing light). But on NAR
(North American Region) models where the rear brake-light also acts as the
turn signal, the standard Lasttype setting is 14 - kombinierte Blink-
Bremsleuchten.

Further up this page I posted a "signal trace" of the PWM waveform from one of
the Leuchte pins on the Central electrics module. What happens when you
choose different Lasttyp settings is that the frequency of the PWM signal is
altered - but there are basically 2 frequencies: 200 Hz and 100 Hz. Within a
lamp type (LEDs - for example), changing the Lasttyp setting seems to vary the
"duty cycle" of the waveform for a particular Dimmwert setting.

But I suspect that trying to discern the optimal Lasttyp setting for an
aftermarket LED is futile, because the characteristics of the aftermarket lamp
most likely won't be the same as a true-OEM LED (despite third party sellers
claiming that their LEDs are OEM).  The best that you will be able to achieve is
to try a number of Lasttyp settings that appear to have the correct name and
then pick the one that looks the best.

Don

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yankarinrg Aug 30, 2017 1:55:17 GMT
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Thanks for replying Don (p.s. I liked your reply but since I am very curious, I
like to go deeper  )
So, for rear turn indicators, I am definitely going for 38 - LED Blinkleuchten.
Low beams should be 5 - LED Abblendlicht, 99%.
From what I've seen, front fog lights should be 6 - LED Lichtmodul.
Rear tail lights 39 - LED Bremsleuchten.

Regarding High beams, reverse light and rear fog light, what do you advise me,
Don? (the power of the LEDs is in the post above, if could be useful )

For interior lights, I've them set to 36 - LED Kleinleistung with Dimmwert
127 and look pretty good (they instantly light instead of gradually lighting)

Posts: 20 Another question I can't figure out alone even though I tested disabling all the
functions: what is the difference between Leuchte2SL VLB22, Leuchte3SL
VRB36 (Lasttyp 4 - LED Tagfahrlichtmodul Signal) and Leuchte4TFL
LB43, Leuchte5 TFL RB6(Lasttyp 1 - LED Tagfahrlichtmodul
Versorgung)? I thought 2 and 3 were parking lights and 4,5 DRL but, after
disabling all the function in 2,3 (Nicht aktiv) and turning the rotary switch to
"Parking lights", they were still working. So what's the difference?

Thanks for instructing me!

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Thanks for replying Don (p.s. I liked your reply but since I am very
curious, I like to go deeper  )
So, for rear turn indicators, I am definitely going for 38 - LED
Blinkleuchten.
Low beams should be 5 - LED Abblendlicht, 99%.
From what I've seen, front fog lights should be 6 - LED Lichtmodul.
Rear tail lights 39 - LED Bremsleuchten.

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Regarding High beams, reverse light and rear fog light, what do you
Posts: 886 advise me, Don? (the power of the LEDs is in the post above, if could be
useful )

For interior lights, I've them set to 36 - LED Kleinleistung with


Dimmwert 127 and look pretty good (they instantly light instead of
gradually lighting)

Another question I can't figure out alone even though I tested disabling
all the functions: what is the difference between Leuchte2SL VLB22,
Leuchte3SL VRB36 (Lasttyp 4 - LED Tagfahrlichtmodul Signal) and
Leuchte4TFL LB43, Leuchte5 TFL RB6(Lasttyp 1 - LED
Tagfahrlichtmodul Versorgung)? I thought 2 and 3 were parking
lights and 4,5 DRL but, after disabling all the function in 2,3 (Nicht
aktiv) and turning the rotary switch to "Parking lights", they were still
working. So what's the difference?

Thanks for instructing me!

rear fog - 1 - LED Tagfahrlichtmodul Versorgung


reverse light - 45 allgemeine LED bis 6W
interior lights - 44 LED Fußraum- oder -Innenleuchte
High-beam- not sure (HIDs use 2 Shutter; Diagnosesensierung für "LED
low", but this is for the shutter motors)

"Leuchte2SL VLB22, Leuchte3SL VRB36 and Leuchte4TFL LB43, Leuchte5 TFL


RB6" - clearly you don't have a mk7!

I'm not familiar with these Leuchte-sets, but the naming convention that is
used enforces a certain rule. For example, if you take Leuchte2SL VLB22, the
"B22" refers to Pin #22 on the "B" socket on the Central electrics module (also
called the BCM).

So, get hold of a wiring diagram for your car (whatever model it is) and find
out which lamp is connected to pin #22 on the "B" socket - easy fix!

Don

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Some of my bulbs have arrived so I installed them: rear indicators and rear fog
light.
Changed the lasttyp but as soon as I turn on parking lights or low beam, an
error comes: OBDeleven report:

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B12BE01 - Lampe für Schlusslicht links elektrischer Fehler (Sporadic electric


fault for left taillight)
sporadisch
B12BF01 - Lampe für Schlusslicht rechts elektrischer Fehler (Sporadic electric
fault for right taillight)
sporadisch
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Any clue guys?

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Sept 9, 2017 21:51:18 GMT yankarinrg said:

Some of my bulbs have arrived so I installed them: rear indicators and


rear fog light.
Changed the lasttyp but as soon as I turn on parking lights or low beam,
an error comes: OBDeleven report:

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B12BE01 - Lampe für Schlusslicht links elektrischer Fehler (Sporadic


electric fault for left taillight)
sporadisch
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B12BF01 - Lampe für Schlusslicht rechts elektrischer Fehler (Sporadic
electric fault for right taillight)
sporadisch

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Any clue guys?

yankarinrg: As the old adage says "not all LEDs are created equal"!

There are countless variations in the quality and the type of LEDs on the
market these days -each with their own characteristics and their own responses
to  Pulse-Width-Modulation dimming (see my discussion on PWM above).

Not much information in your post regarding your new LEDs (no offense
intended). However, my guess (and it's purely a hunch) is that the new  LEDs
don't like to be driven at the PWM frequency that you have selected via your
Lasttyp setting - for low illumination levels.

When you switch to Parking-lights, what normally happens to the tails is that
the dimmwert value in the Leucthe-set enforces low illumination. As a result,
the LED sees a square-wave voltage signal  that has lots of OFF time and little
ON time.  My hunch is that the new lamp is not seeing sufficient forward
voltage across the LED junction to sustain the production of photons in these
low illumination conditions (sorry about the techo-speak).

If I'm correct (and I may not be correct), I suspect that occasionally your new
LEDs actually extinguish under these circumstances. The central electric
module is very intelligent - it monitors the electrical current in each of the
mk7's 35 x exterior lamps. It sees that the LED momentary and occasional
extinguishes and it flags the error messages that you have posted.

So - what to do? Well, I don't believe that your problem is a wiring, or


connection fault because the errors appear on both sides of your car. I suggest
that you keep trying different Lasttyp setting in the hope that you can find a
combination of PWM frequency and ON/OFF values that sustain forward voltage

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across the LED junction. Failing that, try increasing the dimmwert value for the
Parking light leuchte command. Failing that, try using an incandescent lamp
setting  in the Lasttyp channel.

Failing that and as a last resort, make your problem the problem of the person
who sold you the LEDs! Suggest to the seller in a calm but forceful tone that his
(her?) product is absolute sh#t!

Don

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yankarinrg Sept 9, 2017 23:44:56 GMT
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Hello Don, thanks again for the detailed study.

The LEDs I chose are OSRAM LEDriving PREMIUM. In the case of rear fog light,
OSRAM LEDriving PREMIUM P21/5W.
The type of load I set is "(43) - General LED with Open Load without Pulse-
width modulation"
The rear fog light adaptation channel's only non-zero Dimming value is
"Dimming_AB_26" which is 127.

Tomorrow I'm going to test different Lasttypen and report back!

Thanks again Don!

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yankarinrg Sept 11, 2017 13:04:14 GMT
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Don I fixed it:
Leuchte26 controls this light only when the rear fog light is turned on.
Leuchte 23 and 24 controls the light otherwise, and it was set to halogen, so
had to set them to LED as well.

I only have a small problem now: brake lights (Leuchte 20 and 21) in DRL have
the same power as when I press the brake pedal (Dimming for DRL is 18,
Dimming for Braking is 127). How is this?

Here are the two licht configuration.

Leuchte20:

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Leuchte21:

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Brake light is always on, even if I don't brake:

When braking (no difference):

S**t, is it possible the LED isn't dimmable?  

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 12, 2017 21:59:32 GMT
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^^^^ bit confused about the numbering. Your brake lights appear to be
Leuchte 20 and 21 from your table. Also, I've never heard of a lamp being
controlled by more than one leuchte-set -can't happen! I'm suspicious about
your LED, try different lasttyp settings on Leuchte 20 &21. Try lowering
Dimmert EF value as well

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yankarinrg Sept 12, 2017 22:37:46 GMT
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Regarding the lamp being controlled by multiple leuchte sets, maybe it's like
this: the OEM bulb is a P21/4W, so Leuchte23 and 24 control the 4W filament,
whilst Leuchte26 controls the 21W one. Can it be this way?

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 12, 2017 23:11:53 GMT
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^^^ yes that's exactly what happens with a multi filament incandescent lamp,
but I hadn't thought that your fog light, or your Brake light was a multi filament
lamp. In fact, the only multi filament lamp on a mk7 (and I assume on your
Skoda) with incandescent fittings is the front DRL/Parking light lamps.

Don

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yankarinrg Sept 13, 2017 7:41:46 GMT via mobile
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Thanks again for sharing your large knowledge Don.
Having said that, I still need to solve the brake light problem if I don't want to
lose the light as position, parking, and daytime running light.
The original brake bulb is a P21W which is controlled by the BCM to output 18%
of its power when not braking (nearly 4 W) and 100% when braking. Now,
since I'm 99,9% sure the problem is due to the LED not being dimmable (asked
OSRAM for confirmation), do you think it's possible to install a P21/5W LED (as
for the one I have for rear foggy which works flawlessly, regarding the different
power) instead of the P21W (socket aside) and have Leuchte20 and 21 control
both filaments, one time the 5W through Lichtfunktion C,D,20,21 and E,20,21,
and when braking, through Lichtfunktion A 20,21 the 21W?

Edit:
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Asked OSRAM and they confirmed it's a dimmable LED. So the thing is: is it
possible the dimming of a LED isn't linear?

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 14, 2017 5:50:58 GMT
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yankarinrg: I'm not sure that I understand your question - particularly after
your edit (sorry).

Why not try lowering the values in Dimmwert EF and Dimmwert CD to a very
low number (say 5) and see what happens. If this does allow for adequate
differentiation with the Brake light, then keep increasing the Dimmwert number
until you get the correct illumination for DRL and Parking light.

Don

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yankarinrg Sept 14, 2017 21:58:02 GMT
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Hey Don.
Today I tried lowering Dimmwert EF and CD to 5 but the bulb still turned on
completely.
Then I tried to change Lasttyp from "34 - LED Bremsleuchten" to "43 -
allgemeine LED" but the problem persisted.
Later I changed the Lasttyp back to "13 - Bremsleuchten" and the brightness
was right and matched the one of the other position lights.
Of course, I got the warning, but at least it works.

Having said that, the bulb is actually dimmable and works, but only with a
halogen Lasttyp. Leuchte20 and 21 on the Tiguan 2 are configured to be LED
("43 - allgemeine LED") and work at different brightnesses (127 and 13). Why
can't my LED dim under an LED Lasttyp?
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Now, is it possible to have the bulb dimming using an LED Lasttyp (to avoid
warnings)?

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 15, 2017 0:27:16 GMT
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Sept 14, 2017 21:58:02 GMT yankarinrg said:

Hey Don.
Today I tried lowering Dimmwert EF and CD to 5 but the bulb still
turned on completely.
Then I tried to change Lasttyp from "34 - LED Bremsleuchten" to "43 -
allgemeine LED" but the problem persisted.
Later I changed the Lasttyp back to "13 - Bremsleuchten" and the
brightness was right and matched the one of the other position lights.
Of course, I got the warning, but at least it works.

Having said that, the bulb is actually dimmable and works, but only with
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a halogen Lasttyp. Leuchte20 and 21 on the Tiguan 2 are configured to
be LED ("43 - allgemeine LED") and work at different brightnesses (127
and 13). Why can't my LED dim under an LED Lasttyp?

Now, is it possible to have the bulb dimming using an LED Lasttyp (to
avoid warnings)?

Yankarirg: Excellent - now we are getting somewhere!!!!

If you have gotten the correct illumination by changing the lasttyp setting to 13
- Bremsleuchten - then the way to delete the warning message is to change:

Lampendefektbitposition
Fehlerort mittleres Byte DTC-DFCC

on both sides of the car to the value 00. This stops the central electric module
from fault monitoring- but only for the Leuchte-sets that you have selected.

But as to why your new LEDs are behaving in this very strange manner - I have
absolutely no idea! :-[

Don

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yankarinrg Sept 15, 2017 7:16:23 GMT via mobile
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Don since now the LED bulb is considered halogen by the BCM and made to
work like a halogen bulb, is it possible it will get damaged?

For example, with a dimming technique suited for halogens, etc, ...?

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 15, 2017 13:18:05 GMT
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Sept 15, 2017 7:16:23 GMT yankarinrg said:

Don since now the LED bulb is considered halogen by the BCM and
made to work like a halogen bulb, is it possible it will get damaged?

For example, with a dimming technique suited for halogens, etc, ...?

yankarinrg: The short answer is I would not think so.

If you look at the second post in this thread, I've posted a screenshot of the
power signal that is applied to lamps from Leuchte programming.
Posts: 886 Fundamentally, the way the dimming function works is by what's known as
Pulse-width-modulation (PWM), which is just a fancy name for varying the
ON/OFF time in a square wave signal.

For dimming, the BCM "chops-up" the 12volt battery source into ON and OFF
times and PWM varies the relative ON/OFF times so that for full illumination
there is lots of ON time and for no illumination there is lots of OFF times

So - when you select an LED setting for the Lasttyp channel on a Leuchte-set,
you enforce that the BCM uses digital control for the lamp - hence 127 different
settings (decimal 127 = binary 1111111). If you select an incandescent setting
for the Lasttyp channel, you initiate analogue control for the lamp (Dimmwert
range 0-100). But in truth the human eye cannot distinguish between 127 x
different values. I have found that there is no visible difference beyond a
setting of 100 for most (all?) LEDs for the turn-signal function.

The primary difference between an LED and incandescent setting in the lasttyp
channel is the frequency of the square wave signal; for LED settings, the
square wave frequency is 200 Hz and for incandescent settings it's 100 Hz.
Other than this difference, the only other variation is the duty cycle for different
dimmwert settings

So- this is a long way of saying that I wouldn't expect that running the LED on
an incandescent setting would alter the longevity of the lamp.

Don

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yankarinrg Sept 15, 2017 16:33:48 GMT
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Hello Don, I did the tweak on "Lampendefektbitposition" and "Fehlerort
mittleres Byte DTC-DFCC" to "00" and the "check bulb" warning disappeared
but since I switched from "34 - LED Bremsleuchten" to "13 - Bremsleuchten",
got a "Front Assist not available" error on the MFD. Scanned with OBDeleven
and the error, now, is

"U112300 - Datenbus empfangener Fehlerwert


statisch
Date: 2017-09-15 14:31:10
Mileage: 17225 km
Priorität: 6
Fehlerhäufigkeitszähler: 1
Verlernzähler: 55"
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What should I do? This LED is driving me crazy

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 16, 2017 0:15:19 GMT
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yankarinrg: You sure are having some very strange problems !!!! So if your
front assist error goes away when (clear the error with OBD11) you restore the
lamp monitoring channels (I can't believe that the two are connected)- then the
only alternative is new LEDs -I guess

Don

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yankarinrg Sept 16, 2017 8:50:37 GMT
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Don is it possible I messed something during coding?
U112300 is "Databus error value received"

SPOILER: Click to show

Complete error report:

SPOILER: Click to show

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dv52 (Australia) Sept 17, 2017 12:07:41 GMT
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^^^^^ post up the full error message from you scan report please

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