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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig

by Gerco » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:31 pm
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ricardograca wrote:
This weekend I´ll post the news about the short movie.
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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig

by ricardograca » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:05 am
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Hey guys, I could not post in the weekend; I was too busy!! Yesterday a little progress, I've made a window opening ( only one window,
there's another one ). The technique was:

1) I modeled the window in blender ( about 20 minutes of work ) ricardograca

2) I animated the window opening in blender ( only two keyframes = a ) open....b) close ..... about two minutes of work )
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state, then I created a second keyframe in synfig adjusting the waypoints to the close state. Contact: 
4) I needed to built an in between keyframe for a good movement. C

..total time of work = 1 hour and twenty minutes of work.

Here, the screenshots:

I did built two curves ( blines ) as a reference to create the in between keyframes ( that's because a window opens as an arch )
Here, the blender reference( rendered frames ):
Well, I'll try to work more this week ( the last one was unproductive ).

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by ricardograca » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:16 pm
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Hi guys,
I have a doubt..how can I invert an animation? I did this scene, take a look:
This is the first frame:

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This is the second frame:

Here is the link file:
http://www.4shared.com/get/119019985/6da6d22c/cenobjetostar.html

But The windows must open and not close. I did then closing. Any idea to change this other without editing the millions of waypoints
again?
Thanks again!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by muhkayoh » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:03 pm
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I don't know the answer to your question, but what you're doing is looking good so far! I'll be curious to see if Synfig has a reverse function
yet. If not, it's definitely something to add in down the road.

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by ricardograca » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:21 pm
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Hi Muhkayoh,

I got the answer via Freenode with Pixelgeek. Just download the .tar.gz file link in the post and you'll see. We need to use a timeloop
layer with a negative value in the duration parameter. ricardograca

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by Genete » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:48 am
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Hi Ricardo,
I've made a screen cast of your animation being played in my pc. Check it out here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?tdm025dyxvs (1 MB MP4 video format) Genete

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1) First try to use a lower size of the canvas for edit the animation in synfigstudio. It doesn't make sense to have a 1920x1080 canvas in
edition. You can change the output render format in any time at the render moment. So if you keep the aspect ratio you won't have any
problem to export it to any size later. I've modified the file to be 480x270 which has the same aspect ratio than the 1920x1080.

2) When you share complex animations that include external files you have to set the external files paths to be relative to the current
path of the sif(z) file that it is embedded· If not when placed in another computer you will have broken paths like it is the case. I've
managed the two background files to be relative to the folder of the animation sifz file. I hope it works for you.

3) I prefer to use the Offset Time parameter instead of a Time Loop Layer. You can do all the same things with the offset parameter and
IMHO it is more intuitive. Unless you explicitly need a Time Loop layer for some reason, just encapsulate the looping stuff in a paste
canvas and play with its Offset Time parameter.

As you can see in the attached file one of the window's doors is playing properly. Notice how I converted the Offset Time parameter to
linear. To play backwards at same speed set the ratio parameter to be ‐2s. It will delay two seconds of time per second of real time
passed so 1s ‐ 2s = ‐ 1s what is the desired action. To let it play again normally just set the ratio to be 0s. Of course you have to tweak the
displacement parameter to match the proper start and end loop. Look at the numbers and you'll understand.
Do you dare to repeat the same with the other door?

Here are the files corrected:

cen+objetos.zip

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by ricardograca » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:55 am
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Hi Genete,

I´ve download the file, nice solution. Some questions! Can I?

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1. The Canvas size have some influence with the playback performance?
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final render ‐ 1920x1080 with 96 dpi )? C

‐‐ I noticed that your screen cast recorded a nice playback with synfig. Is it another improvement of synfig or... you are using a very‐
super‐mega computer to have this nice playback performance? I use a dual core with do gigs of ram ( dual channel ), and a nvidia graphics
card with 512 mb of ram. ( my playback is poor ).

‐‐ How can I compile this version of synfig?

2. Thanks for the relative path tip.

3. I understand the solution for reverse playback, now I can fix the scene.

Thanks again Genete, I´ll keep going here.

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by Genete » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:46 pm
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ricardograca wrote:
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I´ve download the file, nice solution. Some questions! Can I?
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1. The Canvas size have some influence with the playback performance?

I'm not absolutely sure on that but I think that you will so lots of render tests and you have to change it to a reasonable size each time. It
is better to change it only once when the final render is done. Even much better if it is done using the command line interface, because,
have you tried to render a 30 seconds animation to HD with lots of effects? it will take "some" time that makes not sense to do it using
synfigstudio, specially knowing that manipulate synfigstudio meanwhile it is rendering causes bad render output (and this is a known bug).
So the smaller, the better for production. Final render: use CLI.

‐‐ And the bitmaps, are they automatically rescaled to 1920x1080 without loosing quality ( I mean, I create the bitmaps considering the
final render ‐ 1920x1080 with 96 dpi )?

Bitmaps must be created in the final render size to avoid pixelation obviously. If you insert a 480x270 bitmap and render to 1920x1080
you'll obtain pixelation as you can imagine. Anyway it is better to work with small bitmaps during production and then change the files
(not the sif files but replace the original bitmaps) with the hi res ones at final render stage. Again, the smaller, the better for edition.

‐‐ I noticed that your screen cast recorded a nice playback with synfig. Is it another improvement of synfig or... you are using a very‐
super‐mega computer to have this nice playback performance? I use a dual core with do gigs of ram ( dual channel ), and a nvidia
graphics card with 512 mb of ram. ( my playback is poor ).

I have a high performance computer yes (quadcore 2,66 GHz, 8 Gig DRR2 1000 RAM nvidia 512 MB GeForce 8800 GT) but I think that
during playback it only uses one core. I'm absolutely sure that synfig doesn't use (at the moment) any API form the nvidia. What I did was
to disable all the effects (I set the display quality to 10 (the quickest). It helps a lot.

‐‐ How can I compile this version of synfig?

The synfig version you saw in my screen cast is taken from the git repository where we have migrated recently. You can obtain your own
binary by following the build instructions. Anyway I think that Zelgadis has packages for the cutting edge version with all the features
included and he post the links to those binaries from time to time. Anyway, follow the build instructions and put here the problems you
have.

2. Thanks for the relative path tip.

You're welcome!

3. I understand the solution for reverse playback, now I can fix the scene.

Thanks again Genete, I´ll keep going here.

Waiting to see the whole animation!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by ricardograca » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:26 pm
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Hi folks, I'm back! Yes, I did a pause with my animation project because I did a "fusion", between my company ( Ricolandia ) and Quadro‐
Chave. We were studying these last months about the Synfig and Blender ( a lot!! ); and we decided to produce a new animation to test all
of our study. We are producing a short movie based on a tale, a braziliam tale from a great writter.
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Well, I am posting here because we decided to publish all these "study" as templates and tutorials; so, Next week... probably we will post
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characters easily. This tutorial will show how to use the template and it's features: bone hierarchy and Library of objects ( heads, hands,
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mouths, etc.. ). I wrote this one. C

The second one is about particles ( written by Henrique Barone ). The particle templates ( smoke, magic sparkles, explosion ), will be
posted with the tutorials too. So, we are getting progress, a lot of progress with Synfig. The animation has a dead line: April/2010 and
after this short movie, I'll come back with this one here.

So, for now that's it. I did not give up or stopped anything. Now, after the fusion, we are all in Quadro‐Chave ( Ricardo Graça, Henrique
Barone, Leandro Ferra ).

My site: ricolandia.com, still exists as my personal things.

Here, a screenshot of the Template file:

I've already written the tutorial, and recorded ( with recordMyDesktop ), five parts of six. Tomorrow I'll Record the last one file.

Thanks a lot about the patience and ...get prepared! We are giants now!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by pixelgeek » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:43 am
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Awesome! Looking forward to seeing it!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by Genete » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:57 am
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We were studying these last months about the Synfig and Blender ( a lot!! ); and we decided to produce a new animation to test all of
our study. We are producing a short movie based on a tale, a braziliam tale from a great writter.
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synfig.org. Please give us more links and info about it!
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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by eldruin » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:57 pm
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Great job!! that will help the community a lot!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by tushantin » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:18 am
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Whoa, particle templates. Now THAT'S what I'm looking out for most!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by ricardograca » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:53 am
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Hi folks! I'm back again. " Here and back again"

As promised, the template and the tutorial about " Bones " in Synfig. First, I would like to thanks all the community, all forum members
and all IRC members; this knowledge is part of everyone. ricardograca

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‐ PDF ‐ Portuguese ‐ http://www.quadrochave.com/images/template_synfig_bones.pdf
‐ PDF ‐ English ‐ http://www.4shared.com/file/246032620/c69b1f3d/EN_Synfig_Tutorial_Character_C.html
‐ SIFZ File ‐ http://www.4shared.com/file/246003448/6282f952/bones.html
Note: The next one will be about particles, and an integration ( developted by Henrique Barone ), between java and Synfig, yes..a lot of
possibilities!!!!

Genete, I'll prepare the files and roadmap about the shortmovie with all the research we are doing; so after that, if you want, I can send
all of it to you, so you can open a new topic of if, maybe.

We have an article in the Quadro‐Chave site: www.quadrochave.com for the tutorial , and we are rebuilding our synfig‐br.org site to store
all these files in portuguese here.

That's if for now! Thanks!!

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Re: 2D animation ‐ Pencil, Inkscape and Synfig
by Genete » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:28 pm
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Ricardo, whoa!
I never thought that you were going to use the cutout concept I wrote on the Cut Out tutorial. I strongly recommend to use the Group
feature to select the rotations layers in a shorter way as explained in the tutorial.
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Synfig and I just work from time to time and do not do a good collection of feature requests. As I know you have studied synfig a lot and
you know its limitations, I count with you to ask the high wanted features that would make synfig good for your workflow. Some of them
are lost in the forum threads, so please if you have them on mind write down in the feature request forum or the feature tracker at
sourceforge.

Looking forward for the Java‐>Synfig particles template!

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PS: Why you don't have the icons in the context menu of the layers panel? see image:

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