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ykalamkar
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:50 am
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Location: Nagpur
Sir
In flat slab type building we normally consider equivalent wall load on slab as Uniformly Distributed
load over slab. Is there any criteria to calculate equivalent wall load or it is just total load over
area? Is it not necessary to strengthen the flat slab due to point load?
Yogesh Kalamkar
M.E. (STRUCT)
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Dr. N. Subramanian
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:34 am
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Dear Mr. Yogesh Kalamkar
As per IS code: Load due to partition: Increase the floor load by 33.3% per metre run of partition
wall subject to a minimum of 1 kN/m2. The total weight per metre run must be less than 4 kN/m.
If the wall is thick it has to be considered as line load. But why do you want to consider thick walls
on flat slabs?
Subramanian
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U.S.A.
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
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Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
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From: ykalamkar <forum@sefindia.org>
Subject: [ECONF] Flat slab under wall loading
To: econf@sefindia.org
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:34 PM
Sir
In flat slab type building we normally consider equivalent wall load on slab as Uniformly
Distributed load over slab. Is there any criteria to calculate equivalent wall load or it is just total
load over area? Is it not necessary to strengthen the flat slab due to point load?

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Yogesh Kalamkar M.E. (STRUCT) Posted via Email Back to top parikhhardik4u Posted: Fri Jan 02,
Yogesh Kalamkar
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parikhhardik4u
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:16 am
Post subject: Re: Flat slab under wall loading
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[quote="drnsmani"]Dear Mr. Yogesh Kalamkar
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Posts: 2
As per IS code: Load due to partition: Increase the floor load by 33.3% per metre run of partition
wall subject to a minimum of 1 kN/m2. The total weight per metre run must be less than 4 kN/m.
If the wall is thick it has to be considered as line load. But why do you want to consider thick walls
on flat slabs?
Subramanian
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
Consulting Structural Engineer
Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
www.oup.co.in/search_detail.php?id=144559
Dear Sir,
i have one case where flat slab is 250 thk, having a wall of 5 m height and 200mm thick(light
weight material used density@10Kn/M3) and running length is 22 m. i have model in staad using
FEM.
For the above case,
1.how to give wall loading?
2.how to check it for shear
Thanks in Advance,
HARDIK
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ykalamkar
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:29 am
Post subject: Flat slab under wall loading
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 102
Location: Nagpur
Sir,
My column grid is say 8 X 8 M. and there is wall of length say 24m. Even if we consider wall of half
brick thk. i.e. 150 mm total including plaster, load of wall per meter for 4 m ht is 0.15X20X4 = 12
kN/m. Total load = 24*12 = 288 kN. Area = 64 m2. Shall I have to apply line load? Or shall I apply
equivalent load as 1.33X288/64 = 6 kN/m2 ?
Sir, I would like to know in which IS code it is mentioned?
Thanking you sir for your helpful guidance.
Yogesh
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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:17 AM
To: econf@sefindia.org
Subject: [ECONF] Re: Flat slab under wall loading
Dear Mr. Yogesh Kalamkar
As per IS code: Load due to partition: Increase the floor load by 33.3% per metre run of partition
wall subject to a minimum of 1 kN/m2. The total weight per metre run must be less than 4 kN/m.
If the wall is thick it has to be considered as line load. But why do you want to consider thick walls
on flat slabs?

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Subramanian

Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,

Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,

 

Consulting Structural Engineer Maryland, USA

 
 

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Dr. N. Subramanian Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:08 am

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Dear Mr. Yogesh Kalamkar,

 
You can do both. But when the column grid is only 8 x8 m. Why

You can do both. But when the column grid is only 8 x8 m. Why do you want to disperse 24m wall weight in 64 m2. The weight to be taken is only 12 x8/64=1.5 kN/m2 is it not? The provision mentioned by me is in IS 875 Part 2. Since I do not have that code with me here, I am not able to tell the Clause no. I think it is given as a footnote in one table. You may also refer to RC Designers Handbook, by reynolds and Steedman, Table 55-56, to get some app. value of BM due to such concentrated loads.

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Best wishes NS [quote="ykalamkar"]Sir, My column grid is say 8 X 8 M. and there is wall of length say 24m. Even if we consider wall of half brick thk. i.e. 150 mm total including plaster, load of wall per meter for 4 m ht is 0.15X20X4 = 12 kN/m. Total load = 24*12 = 288 kN. Area = 64 m2. Shall I have to apply line load? Or shall I apply equivalent load as 1.33X288/64 = 6 kN/m2 ? Sir, I would like to know in which IS code it is mentioned? Thanking you sir for your helpful guidance. Yogesh

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uhvaryani Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: flat slab under wall loading

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General Sponsor dear mr.kalamkar, major brick walls should be made to rest on beams.brick partition walls

dear mr.kalamkar, major brick walls should be made to rest on beams.brick partition walls resting directly on slab are likely to get cracked due to variable deflection of slab panels.4.0 to 5.0m high patition walls,mentioned in some dispatches are quite unusual in common buildings. storey heights in buildings are of the order of 3.0 to 3.5m.

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uhvaryani Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: failure of flat slab structures

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General Sponsor Joined: 21 May 2008 Posts: 243 dear sefians, analysis of flat slab structures is

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dear sefians, analysis of flat slab structures is emperical.full scale tests were conducted in U.S.A to finalise the emperical method given in the code.failure of aflat slab structure was reported in Worli,Bombay.a telecast was made on Zee TV.it was chaired by late, respected engineer mr.r.n.raikar.some architects,engineers,contractors and some survivors of this incidence paticipated in the discussion.with computer methods,based on finite element,flat slab structures can be properly analysed.analysis of flat slab structures requires more work. with regards,

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uhvaryani Posted via Email Back to top Ramachandran. K.S Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:56
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:56 am
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Dear Dr.Subramanian & Mr.Yogesh Kalmkar,
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This is covered in Clause 3.1.2 with the heading "Load due to light partitions" in IS:875 part-2.
Regards,
K.S.Ramachandran
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From: drnsmani (forum@sefindia.org)
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: [ECONF] Re: Flat slab under wall loading
Dear Mr. Yogesh Kalamkar,
You can do both. But when the column grid is only 8 x8 m. Why do you want to disperse 24m
wall weight in 64 m2. The weight to be taken is only 12 x8/64=1.5 kN/m2 is it not? The
provision mentioned by me is in IS 875 Part 2. Since I do not have that code with me here, I
am not able to tell the Clause no. I think it is given as a footnote in one table. You may also
refer to RC Designers Handbook, by reynolds and Steedman, Table 55-56, to get some app.
value of BM due to such concentrated loads.
Best wishes
NS
[quote="ykalamkar"]Sir,
My column grid is say 8 X 8 M. and there is wall of length say 24m. Even if we consider wall of
half brick thk. i.e. 150 mm total including plaster, load of wall per meter for 4 m ht is
0.15X20X4 = 12 kN/m. Total load = 24*12 = 288 kN. Area = 64 m2. Shall I have to apply line
load? Or shall I apply equivalent load as 1.33X288/64 = 6 kN/m2 ?
Sir, I would like to know in which IS code it is mentioned?
Thanking you sir for your helpful guidance.
Yogesh
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sdec.in
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:56 am
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But as I understand from his mail, Mr Kalamkar is discussing walls which are other than light
partitions; in our country walls are still either 9" or 4 and a half " brick work(or block work) which
translates into substantial line loads and need to be carefully handled in flat slabs( in case of beam-
slab structures, for example, we do not allow any 9" brick walls on slabs and provide suitable
beams underneath them).
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Posts: 473
Regards
Sangeeta Wij
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From: Ramachandran. K.S (forum@sefindia.org)
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Sent: 05 January, 2009 2:32 PM
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Dear Dr.Subramanian & Mr.Yogesh Kalmkar,
This is covered in Clause 3.1.2 with the heading "Load due to light partitions" in IS:875 part-2.
Regards,
K.S.Ramachandran
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Clause 3.1.2 of IS 875 P-II
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" In office and other buildings where actual loads due to light partitions cannot be assessed
at the time of planning,the floorsand the supporting structural members shall be
designed to carry, inaddition to other loads,uniformly distributed loads per square meter
of not less than 33.33% of weight per meter run of finished partition,subject to minimum
of 1.0kN/m2 provided total weight of partition walls per sqm of wall area does not exceed
1.50kN/m2 and total load per meter length is not greater than 4.0k N/m"
From the clause it is learnt that
- -- equivalent udL ( on slab) of partition load/sqm can be taken as 1/3rd partition load/meter
--- minimum shall be 100 kg/m2
Limiting loading for partition type : Total Partition load max upto 150Kg/m run per meter height(ie
150Kg/m2)
parttions are applicable
Also partition weight shall not be more than 400 kg/m run
May kindly correct me for the codal interpretation
vikramjeet
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