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[FAQ] Using two routers together/

Extending Wi-Fi
Discussion in 'Networking & NAS' started by mickevh, Dec 4, 2011.

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A question often posted in this forum concerns how to go about "using to routers together" Top
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1. Change the IP address of all secondary (non-ISP connected) routers so that they are
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2. Disable the DHCP Server in all secondary routers.
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In SOHO kit, these will very probably be a variant of 192.168.x.y. Ensure you have a Netw
"spare" IP addresses available for each secondary router. Note that these need to be &
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5. Surf to the secondary router's admin screen.

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6. Set the router's LAN address to one of the "spare" addresses determined previously.
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do so. The router may also have changed the DHCP range it serves out (leaving your A
configuration computer with a "wrong" IP address,) so a reboot of the confguration New
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8. Repeat from step "4" for any additional secondary routers.
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9. Connect your secondary routers to you primary router (or each other or anything else) at
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12. You might also care label each router with it's IP address. It's surprising how quickly
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The things that we all know as "routers" are rather badly named. They are multi-function
devices containing (for example) a modem, ethernet switch, router, firewall, NAT Pa
translator, DHCP Server and Wi-Fi Access Point amongst others. Note that last item - Wi-Fi
is availed by Access Points. An Access Point is built-in to that thing we have at home we
call a "router." It is possible to build a perfectly good multi-cell Wi-Fi network using Access
Points. "Routers" are not necessary to "do Wi-Fi."

It is not uncommon for people to believe that Wi-Fi is availed by "routers" but we now
know this is not the case. When SOHO routers first entered the market place, they didn't
contain Wi-Fi Access Points, but were otherwise identical to the "Wi-Fi Router" that we
know today.

So why do people use routers as Wi-Fi Access Points? Sometimes it's because they have an
old one lying around, or can buy them cheaper than a stand alone Access Point, most

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old one lying around, or can buy them cheaper than a stand alone Access Point, most
notably on the online auction sites. Sometimes it's because they also want a few extra
ethernet ports as well as Wi-Fi and using a router is a convenient way to avail a little AP/ Search
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To use routers as an AP or AP/switch combo, we need to (ironically) not use it's routing,
NAT, firewall and a few other functions. No problem so far, if we simply leave the WAN/
Internet port disconnected and cable routers together using their LAN ports, we achieve
this.

However, a further problem occurs with DHCP. Most SOHO routers have a DHCP Server
built in to automatically provide IP addresses to any client devices connected to them. A
router's DHCP Server is often pre-configured to distribute IP addressing information that
designates itself as being the point of contact for the rest of the world. Essentially the IP
addressing information they provide says "if you want to connect to something outside your
local network (LAN,) talk to me and I'll forward the request on for you."

That's fine in a little SOHO LAN with only one router, but becomes problematic when we
have multiple routers (with the secondaries having nothing connected to their WAN/
Internet ports) as the secondary routers cannot handle the requests to connect to the
outside world.

The easiest way to deal with this, is to ensure that all the IP addressing is handled by your
primary, ISP connected router that does know how to talk to the world. The easiest way to
achieve this, is to disable the DHCP Server on all the secondary routers so that only the
primary router gives out IP addresses.

On an IP LAN, every device must have a unique IP address. Each router is one such device.
Often they ship pre-configured to some common default IP address. 192.168.0.1 and
192.168.1.1 for example. If you connected two routers from the same manufacturer or of
the same model together it's very like they will have the same IP address - the
manufacturers generally don't randomise them - and duplicate IP addresses are a no-no.

Hence, we need to ensure that all our routers have a unique IP address. And if we ever
want to access them in future, say to adjust their setting or update the firmware, that will
be much easier to do if they are all in the same "subnet" range as it's known. Without
getting terribly boring about how IP addressing works, if you use subnet mask
255.255.255.0 on your LAN, (most SOHO kit seems to by default,) and IP addresses of the
format 192.168.X.Y; keep "192.168.X" the same on everything and make sure "Y" is
unique, outside your primary routers DHCP range, not "0" or "255" and between 1 & 254.

I think that's everything. If anyone one finds any errata, or one of my frequent spolling or
granma erros, PM me.

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Dec 5, 2011 at 7:02 PM #2

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