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04142006, 01:50 PM #1
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All you need to know about GYNO.
I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions
regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and
other antie’s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to
understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno
here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone
related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways).
Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the
actual aereola, not a lump under it.
Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature
this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it
or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and
it has worked just fine for them as well.
To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am
going to go over a few things and a few definitions:
SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work
by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense,
making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen
to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen
related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the
aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent
androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult
(but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (ldex, adex), Exemestane
(aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno How To inject!
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we are interested in Letro.
Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why
it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible.
Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will
cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.
Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I
suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it),
you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful
AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low
as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a
dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent
estrogen related side effects.
You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks
before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your
blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60
days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I
have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be
safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.
If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run
another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is
better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of
androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the
purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the
receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of
letro.
This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells
you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have
no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too
many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your
gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If
you are running nolva as your antie and start to develop gyno than
sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it
from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.
It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately,
the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to
reverse it.
How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your
nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.
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effect and you by no means want your body to be without any
protection when gyno is already prevalent.
Your ordering a personal amount
** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once of steroids not bailes of narcotics
you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose Just order them to your home
for another 47 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend and store them there. No need to
people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder hide them in a jungle :)
to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once Tips on staying safe?
this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly Today, 01:49 AM
rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner
you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same I would go donate blood before
cycling
fashion.
Hematocrit levels before cycle
Day 1: 2.0mg Today, 01:47 AM
Day 2: 1.5mg What should hematocrit levels
Day 3: 1.0mg optimally be pre cycle? Mine is
Day 4: .50mg*** 49.8 right now
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is Hematocrit levels before cycle
really up to you at this point. They are both very common Today, 01:15 AM
maintenance doses as an antie while on cycle. Personally I have Good chance you nicked a nerve
stayed with .25mg and never had a problem. or slightly cut the muscle with
the pin when moving. 4th pin in
Letro and the estrogen rebound: can't see it being dirty gear as it
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite would have giving you trouble
estrogen rebound as your body tries to restabilize the testosterone from the first pin. Keep a eye
:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by on...
supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that Infection or Abscess? or just...
when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than Today, 12:32 AM
likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin
So ive been training at the gym
taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then
for about 15 years now and using
continue on as you would with regular PCT.
anabolic steroids for about 8
years, on and off but in the last
This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on 12 months ive changed my diet
cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already and my lifestyle because i want
waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be to pack...
shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help
you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just Advice needed. Test E, Tren E,...
follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you Today, 12:26 AM
must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect
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week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then
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04142006, 01:54 PM #2
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very good info bump that..clears up alot of question folks have.
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and if this has not helped feel free to pm the Tit doctor
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Great Post...chocfulla great info...
one question will LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL work as Letro 30mL?
The liquidex was bought for my PCT along with Clomi/Tamox
Combo, but should i get some Letro to have on hand an use incase
of signs?
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04142006, 05:49 PM #6
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Originally Posted by Booz
and if this has not helped feel free to pm the Tit doctor
himself....CBino...............
I made this to hopefully alleviate the number of PM's I get
regarding the subject...Tit Doctor, thats awesome. I should have it
stamped as my title.
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Great post bro!
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ok i had sensitive nipples( iques that was superdrol induced gyno)
before my cycle so 1 week before my test enth cycle i started
letro(2.5 4 days) and when droped to 0.5, so now i am 1 week
into my cycle and 2 weeks in letro but my gyno looks like
progresing, should i bump letro to 2.5mg and keep it till gyno( this
gyno is rely smal but i can feel bumps and nipples are f.......
sensitive) goes away
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04152006, 05:16 AM #9
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Originally Posted by stumbras
ok i had sensitive nipples( iques that was superdrol
induced gyno) before my cycle so 1 week before my
test enth cycle i started letro(2.5 4 days) and when
droped to 0.5, so now i am 1 week into my cycle and 2
weeks in letro but my gyno looks like progresing,
should i bump letro to 2.5mg and keep it till gyno( this
gyno is rely smal but i can feel bumps and nipples are
f....... sensitive) goes away
Well from what you describe it sounds like you have gyno, try
using the strategy I listed above and see how it goes man, you
arent far into your cycle so its the perfect time to do it.
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04152006, 07:31 AM #10
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good shit! I will save this just in case.
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04152006, 09:19 AM #12
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hey Bino thanks for the post bro, i always make sure to look at the
threads u contribute to because your info is 100% solid! i am going
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04152006, 10:52 AM #13
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Great Post C Bino! i mean titty doctor
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04152006, 04:29 PM #14
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Originally Posted by smmrsm2000
hey Bino thanks for the post bro, i always make sure
to look at the threads u contribute to because your info
is 100% solid! i am going to save this page to my hard
drive in case i ever have a problem with my tits.....
Thanks man, Im here to help like everyone else.
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Great Post C Bino! i mean titty doctor
LOL. Thanks man, it took a long time to get my PhD but its paying
off...
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04152006, 04:43 PM #15
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Good post. Maybe sticky material.
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Excellent post, definitely appreciated......
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Great info
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love the post, def answers a lot of questions...including some i had
myslef, great info!!!
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wicked post just about covers it
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C_Bino this is a great threade bro. Whats your view on using
Arimidex instead of Letro ?
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After C bino responds to the anove by Kale I'm copying this thread
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Bino is the shit, I can smell you from here! Everyone should get a
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04152006, 07:50 PM #23
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Arimidex vs. letro in terms of gyno reversal...letro hands down. In
terms of AI during cycle both are excellent, you really cant
compare them, letro will keep you drier imo if you are looking for
low bloat especially if you are doing a precontest cycle, but
arimidex will allow more estrogen to remain in your system, so for
you pansies who think you need some estrogen in your system
to have more gains than by all means use adex brothas.
You know what, Antie's of any sort, whether AI or SERM is SUCH a
personal issue that you will hear disagreements about it
everywhere. Do what works for you, and take into consideration
that any advice anyone gives you on this board concerning antie's
and even PCT is just that, its advice, its not a RULE or GUIDELINE
that you must follow.
I personally like letro, people tell me well with no estrogen there
can be hazardous effects on your immune system, you know what
on paper MAYBE, in my personal experience NO. As long as you
support your immune system with proper nutrition (vitamins and
antioxidants) I dont think you will ever have a prob. So if you
want a surefire way of reducing estrogen go with letro. But hey,
experiment and try different things, if I didnt I never would have
been able to make this post...live and learn boys but be aware of
WHAT and WHY you are doing what you are doing.
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awesome post bino. you answered alot of questions/concerns i had
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Originally Posted by MotorBoatin' SOB
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haha, great post "titdr".
No mention of aromasin , great compound as well!
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Thanks for the reply Bro, just one more question and I will shut up.
Does Armidex have the same effect on your sex drive as Letro ?
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Excellent thread! but i have a question if i run proviron with my
test (test+eq+dbol for start) and 0,25mg of letro EOD will it
prevent gyno?
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So BD wants me to talk about aromasin ...well I was making this
thread just because I get so many PM's about gyno. Aromasin is
great, awesome for PCT as well, which letro isnt. But I was just
making this to help people with gyno as well and Letro is #1 for
this without a doubt.
As for arimidex and sex drive, I dont think it will be an issue. Its
not as powerful as letro.
And as for running say ,letro and proviron ...I cant tell you if it will
prevent gyno for YOU, like i said antie's are casespecific man,
what works for me may not work for you, some people are more
prone to certain sides.
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I heard letro is for little guys, is that true Bino?
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im running pct right now, 40 nolva/ed and 100 clomid/ed.
cycle was 600 test e and winny. im in my first week of pct and i
have a gyno lump, small but still there, i want to drop the nolva
and use letro but do i also drop the clomid? and does this count as
my pct?
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Originally Posted by castertroy
im running pct right now, 40 nolva/ed and 100
clomid/ed.
cycle was 600 test e and winny. im in my first week of
pct and i have a gyno lump, small but still there, i want
to drop the nolva and use letro but do i also drop the
clomid? and does this count as my pct?
Letro will increase natural test so you could use it for PCT, but its
usually not advised.
I think the best thing to do would be run your PCT to an end and
then start up the gyno reversal protocol.
Big k.l.g. takes the credit for this issue. Gyno reversing during PCT
is a bad situation to be in because SERM's reduce the effectiveness
of letro, I wish I had a better answer for you but its a very tuff
situation.
Go with the advice of big k.l.g. and run PCT out and then start letro
up.
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wow great thread bingo this cleared up a lott
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This isnt the first time on the site someone has called me Bingo.
Oh well just call me Dr. Mc Tits from now on, it will make things
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