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Post meeting wrap-up Elevator Hallway

TH OK so the whole concept is we have uh OK so each feature is wrapped in some

be free
we our various it
sort of just forum and the way that construct products

be based on what set of

source or commercial product or whatever is going to

defines is set so this def Java used to mean something..

JR Thats the one that were working on thats what Im concerned about but Ill talk

to him and Ill get message put in

were on or off
TH OK so if that Java used to mean something effectively turning it all

it
may or may not mean anything right now

in with. .the Win Base on window

JR Theyre actually theyre trying to tie it together

16 Java on and off theyre trying to use some of that infrastructure to help them do

this

TH OK we end up world where there

good What would be cool is if could in
really

define means Java so that free source turns it off and commercial
is some that

product turns it on and the world is good and birds are singing

JR Thats what were going for

Th OK good Urn if youre not familiar with should send some of my guys over to

talk to you about. .so that we can just make sure...OK so let me get Sarah....see

the Moz Medium was finished on or was rnostly done on Windows as is

problem is

still under progress on UNIX

JR You and Raman are the guys that are cutting away and someone whos really

familiar with this should just chat with them but told them that their marching

orders are cut wildly and get the sucker out of there and then were going to go

but
back in and try and make nice if anyone has other suggestions for adjustments

first want proof aggressively that its clean and and it has to work Brian

though. .1 know know want everything

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off camera dialog

now
TH Yes that sounds good So theyre over there right

Ramans desk
JR Right Theyre sitting in

to be here or you
me And we Monday going
TH OK Don come talk to think theyre

with that
sent em home or whats the deal

if psyched So my
tend to work weekends especially theyre
JR think they both

wont insist at all in fact but theyre

guess is even though Ill tell
you my policy

done tonight and

but theyre to get it

really trying to get

it done at all really trying

it so think itll
Monday is not at all out of the question they expect
they said

work

TH So where are you with the UNIX moz medium work

Uh Acana has icons Thats gonna be

goatie Im on the last meg file Uh yeah the

But shes work with Steve Lam and get

those done and
big problem gonna go

have building and be

those done and hopefully shell get
those done will it

get

ready to check in monday is what Im looking for

Raman and make that the Java team is in synch

Til OK lets go talk to Huby and sure

we in the likeness.mk
with what youre doing so that can put that

goatie
Yeah

IR Do you know where Raman lives and Ruby lives

goatie No

leave you with them and then Im

TH Right Why dont you and trot over and Ill

All right let me go check my

going to change my clothes and go play hockey

and think were done

mail and then Ill come find
you

Tan sending e-mail

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before meeting
Toy up computer
Michael setting

reduced
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succeed the bug count drastically
MT Well Were either going to in getting

deadline whether that means

were not going to make our self-imposed
today or

of
deadlines we change the rules
uh we invent new self imposed
we fall entirely

uh negotiable But the first thing

deadline those are all
what it means to make the

to do you failed before you

do make sure that what you decided
Im going to is to

one more try

different So were going to give it

decide to do something
go

which is down about from

minutes
checked the bug count
it was 94 about ago

means the bug is

But bunch of people reassigned bugs to me which usually

Friday

be
they dont want to
the
about it and
theres is something that makes them worried
done

which is the right thing to do

one to make the call

in the universe is to know where you

dont know theres one of the hardest things
Well

well have enough information to make good decision

that by the end of the day
are hope

about where to go

doomed But that only means any

we would that were completely
Well in Netscape say

state would assume that there would be no way we

our current
person looking at
outside

of thinking about the

But uh thats any one humorous way
were going to succeed

hertso just the

fact that youre
universe is that its kind of been that way every day

have work do
you dont
to
doomed doesnt mean that

with is completely artificial

the is is that the date that were working
Well see problem

so in that sense we dont

asked us what day we thought we would be all done
nobody

whether the time frame that were

its
believe that what were doing is impossible just

reasonable And if we had taken long time to

which to this is
in accomplish
being given

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be filling out time estimates we

drill down to whether it was possible or not uh wed still

to on this as fast as possible

decided get going

do work that its not

has proven that it can interesting
universe free software
Well the of

on there now urn theres five

joke there are plenty of example of stuff going
complete

if thats the case most of those cases were

of that to this so
good reason why none applies

could understand and one

who had code that one person
places where theres people

was some sort of sense of

owned one person had designed it so there
person

has
Now were something which is really big has never grown
manageabilit putting

and its not clear

understanding it urn very very quickly
beyond the point of one person

in and
going to be jump
individuals are able to
like that out that
that if
you put something

which is basically scoped by

with piece of software
contribute to itih like
you could

lot of ifs and even if we pti od source

can accomplish so theres
what one person

the Nets interested anythings actually going to happen

good out and really

10
who hack code for money and thers people ho
Theres an old saying that theres people

kind of do both because youve

hack code for glory and right now at Netscape you can

and all the

and codes going to go up on the net you get
been being paid all along your

glory7

Netcast or
Those people who have time they should be helping other people not doing

source 3-3

need to be
Yeah but the important thing...I dont know what the important thingS just

we can declare success or failure so it will be very useful

in one place all day long so that

stuff on the screen

have sort of war room mentality dont know whether projecting
to

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over if it works and its

Its not worth stressing
to make difference certainly
is
going

free may do it for fun

but
important work is actually
the
in this room
important work
The is not happening

work Right now we have problem with

when people are actually doing the
happening

date we announced so were just

looks cant possibly be done for the
the work like it

to do that is to
we and sometimes the only way
trying to drill down on how doomed are

how doomed are we

in the room and stare each other in the eyes and say
get everybody

bugs that they are

different things Some people have 10
because different people have

another that really

them from closing it and person
certain about that keeps
feeling way

that the state of

all 10 in about seconds if you communicated to person
close
you could

work on for two weeks and

the universe Another guy
will have one bug hes got to

how to take
him thats long its going
theres just nothing no matter what you say to just

able
around the table and talk about where we are that youre
until all sort of really sit
you

make sense about your

an about the state of the universe you can all
to agreement
reh

busj

them that thats what

received e-mail couple of times infong
Laughter Theyve all

is bit of die roll sometimes they

whether happens always
they
need to do that actually

here three in the

they were til
read the e-mail but
read the e-mail sometimes they
never

here 1100 is little early for them um..

morning and
at
getting

is its not that one

networks active but dont know which one it

One of the is

voice mail urn this is Toy and Im sitting up in

This is not Chris Hoffman this is his evil

network which of the

you wanted
and live tap
in the pit
the pit pretend you were up

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into in order to achieve that Thanks

holes in the wall would you plug your wire
many

Whats the phone number in the pit 3-7-8-3 ll me thanks bye

conversation before meeting

misc

Meeting

the honorable John Charles Morring

103 bugs at the bottom of the list thats laughs

of this meeting is not to beat

providing the bug list bunny rabbits urn OK...the purpose

is to rnake sure that as company we are incredibly

the of this meeting
up people purpose

toO uh weve been moderately focused up until now

focused on getting the bug count

be focused from here on in Not everybodys in this room thats OK

we need to deadly

in room whos job it is to deal with that problem

knew that there are people this

Garret Blythe has bugs is he here what

Yes Sir when are closing those bugs

OK Im with Alan tomorrow Fm going to close those after the

the top two meeting

the next two will close them later today 11 focus on them
meeting

You do not need help

do not need help with those

the next week help other people

going to have time over
to
Are you
.S

Yes

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All right stay in this room

So wait minute those top two bugs are no show stoppers any new

documentation bug should be show stopper bug

time documentation to make Alan

Yes but it also takes an incredibly short to give enough

happy

understand
Well thats true but if we get down to the point where we really try to

what the show stoppers are then those dont qualify

So what would your suggestion be Get rid of them now

Not rid of them come up with list of show stoppers as P-O or something
get

Well these are already dont know we can see the priority

Well make em P-3

No no..

We can see the priorities

that would be priority right Im looking for the word priority..

damn component field and mark documentation

why dont we use it
Heres thought the

be used was to be my
you know that was what it was supposed to for that going

suggestion

But then the querying becomes hard its much easier just to

just to run complicated query

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All right so all doe bugs are now sub low pæority P. .lower than

OK P3 just stab in the dark

OK Bob John is he here in this room Hes not in this room

He has two doe bugs

Oh theyre doe bugs OK moving on Can we elect representative for Brian Oster OK

Tara hes got three whats up with that

Give me some numbers

107 680 root manifest files

pL2
Urn. .Theyre supposed to be done by today

Done today OK Uh fixing bill config for UNIX source distribution 107

Should be done by today or tomorrow

OK Move XFE make-star Netscape NK to NS Priv

Urn thats the moving the security specific packaging crap out of the standard make

file so it doesnt go out in distribution

And that is done sooner or later

It should be done today or tomorrow

If we threw him UNIX aware body would it

go faster

He said he was going to work on this all weekend and give me the status today so

would expect that most of the stuff should be done if not then Ill
grab somebody

30
else

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Urn when is he coming in

In the next half hour 45 minutes

OK go away and corne back when youve heard from Brian

OK Laughs

Wait minute shes got to be here for rather large number of her own bugs

All right youve got your own bugs youre right youre right just didnt want to waste

your time youre right Mark Bums waiting for license full circle

Mark Burg Just left

Basically weve got some source stuff in there we have license and legal so they

can sign off on it Theyve read the HL and theyre cool with it

Where are we

Waiting for license waiver from legal Thats third

party code

All right why is this on Mark Burgs list then its not his job to wait for license and legal

We assigned it to John

It was safer that

way

Ill do it

OK LNET needs sanitizing No it doesnt

No it doesnt

Its sold 3LP

Lx tp

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