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Docket No.
16-CV-30184
JOHN DOE,
Plaintiff
vs.
WILLIAMS COLLEGE,
Defendant
APPEARANCES:
Kathleen M. Houghton
Court Reporter
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APPEARANCES:
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1 I N D E X
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2 WITNESS DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS
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3 NINAH PRETTO 5
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4 EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION PAGE
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5 43 Hearing panel documents 16
44 Packet of material 16
6 45 Packet of material 16
11 50 Report 45
15 54 emails, 1 pg. 95
22 62 email 126
63 email 127
23 64 Doc 76-9, page 15 131
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1 S T I P U L A T I O N S
7 time.
13 time.
14
17
22
23 *****
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5 follows:
12 in?
13 A. I live in Williamstown,
14 Massachusetts.
16 A. No.
20 College.
22 deposition before?
23 A. No.
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18 A. Mm-hmm.
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6 student services.
13 A. Yes.
23
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2 mm-hmm.
4 degree?
6 Rochester.
8 A. In 2005.
10 A. Political science.
12 A. Yes.
14 received that?
18 affairs.
22 before?
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5 different panel?
6 A. Mm-hmm.
8 say yes.
18 A. Yes.
21 Williams.
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7 responsible.
12 training.
14 involved?
22 the accuser?
23 A. No.
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2 A. Meg Bossong.
12 reputation?
13 A. No.
16 consistent?
23 A. Yes.
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4 A. No.
10 timing?
13 A. No.
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1 participate.
3 communicated to you?
9 had.
16 was present?
20 Sandstrom?
21 A. No.
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4 ourselves.
7 training?
14 A. Just us.
16 A. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
17 Q. Okay.
18 A. Mm-hmm.
22 you?
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3 the case.
5 were?
9 A. Yes.
11 not produced?
22 back.
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20 you.
22 as Exhibit 45.
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4 to you?
13 A. No.
23 training.
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4 meeting --
5 A. Of the panel?
12 Q. Okay.
18 meeting?
23 second meeting.
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13 a half?
14 A. Mm-hmm.
16 A. Yes.
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2 A. Mm-hmm.
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7 a --
16 opportunity to look --
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5 documents?
6 A. Mm-hmm.
12 then --
13 Q. Yes.
15 did.
16 Q. Yes.
23 Q. Okay.
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4 Q. Okay.
6 confusion.
11 meeting?
15 A. In the office.
16 Q. I see.
23 Q. Okay. Thanks.
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4 A. Yes.
7 it was irrelevant?
8 A. Yes.
13 A. Yes.
16 provided?
18 considered, correct?
19 A. Yes.
23 A. Yes.
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2 fact-finding jury?
7 A. No.
20 made?
21 A. Yes.
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1 misconduct policy?
2 A. Yes.
17 get to that.
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2 (Indicating)
3 A. Mm-hmm.
18 Q. Okay.
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11 A. I don't remember.
16 nonconsensual sex?
17 A. I don't remember.
20 A. Which term?
22 A. In terms of?
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10 single word --
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12 consent.
17 you.
20 A. Yes.
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1 report.
2 Q. Right, correct.
3 A. Mm-hmm.
7 response.
8 A. Mm-hmm.
23 John's response?
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7 policies.
15 alleged incident?
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10 A. Yes.
19 Ms. Pretto.
21 requested.)
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2 policies?
3 A. Yes.
12 passivity?
16 A. Okay.
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4 Policy 2014.
14 detail --
17 filing.
20 from?
23 court.
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14 policy.
16 It's possible.
21 don't remember.
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6 filed in court.
10 than...
17 A. Okay.
19 please?
21 silence or passivity.
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2 sentence?
4 Q. Thank you.
7 college documents.
9 This is --
11 will be 48.
17 say.
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7 2014?
9 That's --
19 September 1.
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1 change.
10 remember. Sorry.
15 nonconsensual sex?
20 A. Correct.
23 please?
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5 originally created?
8 information.
10 part in green?
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12 sex?
14 Q. Okay.
16 minutes break.
22 conclusion?
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14 relationship abuse?
18 A. Yes.
20 you.
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5 A. That's correct.
11 in a different position?
14 incorrect.
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5 A. Mm-hmm.
8 A. One?
9 Q. Yes.
21 identified by Smith?
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9 it hurt?
15 you're saying?
16 A. Yes.
23 A. I don't know.
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6 violence?
9 itself.
17 that?
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15 testimony.
19 A. No.
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12 that correct?
14 position.
19 behind.
22 from behind?
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6 remember that.
9 A. Number one?
10 Q. Yes, please.
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7 A. Yes.
9 differences?
12 clear.
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8 great detail.
12 hurt.
15 is that correct?
16 A. I don't remember.
18 switched positions?
19 A. I don't know.
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2 anything?
13 being a possibility?
15 that.
20 unusual?
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9 description sounded.
16 or sexual abuse?
20 one in red?
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3 A. I don't remember.
5 please?
7 Q. Is it red?
8 A. Yes.
12 A. Yes.
15 year?
16 A. I don't remember.
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2 contradictory statements?
5 report?
7 ones, yes.
8 A. I don't remember.
23 six, please?
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4 with him.
15 flush it out.
22 I understand this.
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1 that is true?
2 A. Mm-hmm.
8 physically?
11 the case.
20 A. Mm-hmm.
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8 it.
11 A. No.
14 A. No.
17 rephrase it now.
21 A. Not necessarily.
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1 believed?
2 A. Yes.
8 are evidence?
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9 statements, correct?
11 of the question.
17 reviewed in totality.
23 the title.
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5 of all kinds.
14 annotate. I redacted.
16 the question?
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15 A. Yes.
20 the events.
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2 A. Yes, we considered.
16 A. I don't remember.
19 Exhibit 51.
23 John?
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8 Q. Okay.
9 A. Yeah.
14 sex?
18 her interview --
19 A. No.
21 claims?
22 A. No.
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1 A. No.
6 A. No.
13 force?
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1 remember anything.
6 passivity?
9 how to answer.
16 is?
17 A. Yes.
19 please?
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4 A. Not necessarily.
18 that.
22 A. Yes.
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1 A. Mm-hmm.
16 in those statements?
17 A. Yes.
20 A. Yes, yeah.
22 you?
23 A. Yes.
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3 A. Sure.
4 Q. Thank you.
12 it.
23 stop.
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3 A. Yes.
14 underlined, please?
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3 9/13/16 report.
13 A. Yes.
18 for, correct?
19 A. Yes.
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1 notes?
6 conversation.
10 my column?
19 sex?
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2 A. Mm-hmm.
6 nonconsensual sex?
9 read --
10 A. Right.
16 on those counts?
17 A. Yes.
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3 to be fair.
11 in on these. (Indicating)
13 A. Mm-hmm.
20 requested.)
22 you're saying.
23 A. Yeah.
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3 credibility?
13 A. Yes.
15 about sympathy --
16 A. Mm-hmm.
22 referring to?
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3 both parties.
5 decision?
6 A. My sympathy?
7 Q. Mm-hmm.
8 A. No.
11 your decision-making?
12 A. Yes.
15 A. Yes.
19 A. No.
21 A. No.
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2 credibility?
19 A. No.
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5 A. Yes.
7 that?
13 decision-making?
16 retaliatory.
20 needs or desires?
21 A. Yes.
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2 mind-read, so to speak?
3 A. Yes.
9 repeat?
16 sorry.
18 concrete examples.
19 A. Okay.
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4 JD .
7 A. Mm-hmm.
17 recall that?
21 buy an iPad?
22 A. Yeah, mm-hmm.
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1 A. Yes, mm-hmm.
9 A. Yes.
16 question?
23 A. Okay.
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3 A. Yes.
21 A. Yes.
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1 A. Yes.
3 A. Yes.
11 letter.
12 A. Mm-hmm.
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1 A. Okay.
7 A. Mm-hmm, yes.
16 consenting?
20 A. Yes.
22 been?
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7 reasonable?
8 A. Mm-hmm.
17 Smith to be consenting?
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5 requested.)
14 consenting?
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6 A. Yes.
9 relationship.
12 him.
19 A. Mm-hmm.
23 up at that point?
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4 that back.
6 show consent?
9 consent.
11 what?
12 A. Many ways.
13 Q. Would it be vocal?
17 nonconsent?
18 A. No.
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1 A. No.
8 understand that.
15 first?
17 and answered.
19 no.
21 no?
23 Sorry.
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4 A. Yes.
6 panel?
7 A. Everything.
8 Q. I'm sorry?
9 A. Everything.
10 Q. Everything.
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1 decision letter.
3 Q. Yes.
4 A. Yes, mm-hmm.
8 reporting John?
12 that correct?
13 A. Yes, mm-hmm.
15 Thank you.
22 please?
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4 retaliatory.
8 A. Mm-hmm.
9 Q. Okay.
10 A. Yes. Sorry.
13 A. I can't remember.
20 to whom?
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1 Q. Okay.
2 A. Sorry.
4 as Exhibit 54.
9 claim issues?
13 just understanding --
14 Q. Okay.
15 A. -- those.
17 questions?
23 the time.
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1 Q. All right.
2 A. Mm-hmm.
5 coordinator?
12 information from?
15 Marlene.
20 A. Yes.
22 communicated to you?
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4 person.
8 retaliation claim?
10 know.
12 claim?
15 by rows.
18 asking you --
20 anything there.
23 A. Mm-hmm.
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2 A. In green?
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6 Is that the --
8 end.
9 Q. Okay.
10 A. Yeah. Sorry.
15 underlined in red?
21 unbearable level.
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7 about?
10 her.
16 there to be retaliation?
20 retaliation.
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3 A. Okay.
7 Q. Please.
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15 retaliation.
18 A. In red, yes.
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8 a look that?
9 A. Mm-hmm.
14 A. To me and Steve.
16 underlined there?
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3 with them.
8 conversation.
11 policies?
15 A. Yes.
19 A. Yes.
22 A. I don't remember.
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3 A. Yes.
9 A. Mm-hmm.
10 Q. Participation in a disciplinary
11 investigation or process.
17 it.
21 complaint?
23 Q. Okay.
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1 A. We discussed it -- it was a -- I
4 be Exhibit 57.
8 A. No.
13 retaliation?
14 A. Mm-hmm.
17 A. Yes.
23 the victim?
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1 A. No, no.
8 Q. Yes.
14 was retaliation.
15 Q. Mm-hmm.
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2 A. Yes.
4 A. Mm-hmm.
6 A. Mm-hmm.
9 assault?
11 like?
16 assault allegation?
22 sanctioning stage.
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1 back to that.
10 A. For?
13 Q. Mm-hmm.
19 A. Mm-hmm.
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2 A. Which part?
5 incident --
6 A. Mm-hmm.
9 A. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
12 A. Vaguely. I can't.
13 Q. Okay.
14 A. Yeah.
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2 was.
7 reported him?
11 I don't remember.
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1 were clarifying.
3 reporting as well?
10 Q. Okay.
11 A. I don't know.
15 spreadsheet.
16 A. Mm-hmm.
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14 the table?
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5 Q. Mm-hmm.
10 Q. Mm-hmm.
15 Q. Okay.
19 honor code?
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3 issues?
17 Q. Okay.
20 A. Mm-hmm.
22 A. We all did.
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6 A. Aaron.
7 Q. Okay.
14 us, please?
19 on our findings.
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8 A. Mm-hmm.
9 Q. -- a draft letter?
10 A. Mm-hmm.
13 and are you saying that she did not draft that
14 letter?
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11 underlined?
13 accordingly.
17 retaliation issue?
18 A. I don't remember.
19 Q. Okay.
21 as Exhibit 59.
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3 student is accurate?
4 A. Yes.
16 A. Mm-hmm.
21 us?
23 Q. To whom?
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6 section?
16 A. Mm-hmm.
19 as Exhibit 60.
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1 each other?
4 group?
8 A. No.
15 nonconsensual sex?
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1 A. Which incident?
4 that, yes.
9 A. Correct.
13 A. I don't know.
16 passage?
21 the...
23 alleged incidents?
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1 A. Mm-hmm.
3 sex, correct?
4 A. Mm-hmm, yes.
11 A. I don't remember.
16 sorry.
18 charges --
19 A. Mm-hmm.
22 Exhibit 49.
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1 different -- differently.
12 A. I don't know.
15 punishment?
18 I don't remember.
23 Marlene.
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4 provided him?
8 it says?
9 A. I don't understand.
13 Q. I'm sorry?
17 says.
22 says.
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1 be Exhibit 62.
9 us?
12 read it?
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10 A. Yes.
15 A. Mm-hmm.
19 general, so annoyance.
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4 at it.
9 case?
11 Q. By whom?
12 A. I don't remember.
15 remember.
19 A. No.
22 A. No.
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2 A. Okay.
11 A. No.
18 the process.
21 that correct?
22 A. I don't remember.
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8 A. I don't understand.
13 A. I don't know.
16 underlined?
21 decision.
23 the appeal --
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1 A. Mm-hmm.
5 lapses?
8 know.
10 you.
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March 4, 2018
Kathleen M. Houghton