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Can hold down support with 100 mm vert movement #70268 - 10/27/17 07:50 PM
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In my opinion, viscodamper is a more practical solution in this case.

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Member If its a low frequency-high amplitude vibration, then snubbers can also 15539 Topics
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11/14/09 If you're sure of the thermal movement (at site and if it exactly matches
Posts: 276 your stress calc), then a Special Support may be designed wherein you Max Online: 126 @ 05/09/18
Loc: India may use belleville washers (spring loaded) to engage the hold-down 04:29 PM
member with some clamping force during vibration.

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Re: Can hold down support with 100 mm vert #70279 - 10/30/17 10:40 AM
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02/25/04 We have this piping having a flexible layout with piping supported on
Posts: 628 constant effort springs. If we put disc springs of high enough stiffness to
change natural frequency, the piping flexibility in expansion load case
hampers and operating nozzle load and codal expansion stress exceed
allowable. Way out is the German GERB or Lisega type viscous passive

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damper which can work as snubber in all load cases except dynamic
ones.
Only catch is we can do use viscous damper in Caesar ii using minimum
equivalent stiffness say at 6 Hz freq and bring first natural freq above 6
Hz.
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Sam
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Re: Can hold down support with 100 mm vert
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#70281 - 10/30/17 01:29 PM
Before designing overly supports, have simpler alternatives been
considered?
Is there a way to isolate thermal growth away from that point?
Can operational vibrations be isolated from piping?
Is our natural frequency especially low due to unrealistic
supports? Can we model our supports in a different fashion to
give us better answers?

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Re: Can hold down support with 100 mm vert #70282 - 10/30/17 10:57 PM
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sam
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Posts: 628 Lord and saints on the occasion of coming All Saints Day!

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