Alicia Padgett If I knew this was some kind of troll post or something, I would have never approved this

post. Manage
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Ember Rayne Alicia Padgett it was def designed to bring out the racists. Manage Like · Reply · 14h

Alicia Padgett Well good. Now I can purge. 😈 Manage Like · Reply · 14h

Ember Rayne Manage Like · Reply · 14h

Eduardo Acevedo Is not...😑

I ask a legit question, i see this on the news and just want to share Manage Like · Reply · 14h

Alicia Padgett Okay fair enough. Manage Like · Reply · 14h

Wendy Rae Alicia Padgett As an Australian we have a lot of Sth Af migrants (especially in Perth), I'm used to this
question. I don't think it's necessarily a troll. I'm also appreciating the irony of a lot of people who ARE colonisers (myself
included) having judgemental opinions on the subject. If you're from a continent other than Europe there's a 75% chance
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Richard Edens Alicia Padgett, purge ME. Seriously.

This is exactly the type of commentary that got me my last 30day ban for suggesting here that we have a real dialogue about
hatred and race.
I love the positivity here in heaven, that's why I haven't and won't, lucifer out. But the negativity allowed towards... a certain
race and gender and sexual preference specifically, just goes to show the underlying bigotry and hypocrisy that is alive and
thriving here.
And THAT is EXACTLY what is wrong with the human race.
"YOU'VE been terrible to me, so now I'LL be terrible back to you."
What a pity. Will we never learn? I highly doubt it...
I am proud of the skin I'm in. As should everyone be.
I am ashamed of nothing I've done or said. Ever.
I can't, and won't, speak for my ancestors because they are gone.
I can only hope to move forward. Which I will, indefinitely.
I'm treading as lightly as i can here...walking on eggshells.
In regards to the OP, Africa (as a continent) has the potential to produce the majority of the world's food supply. It will be up to
the future farmers to prove they can do better than the previous. I hope for all our sakes that they do.
If not, it will be too late to admit we were all wrong all along.
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Alicia Padgett I don’t even get what you are talking about. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Alicia Padgett We are just having a conversation about South Africa. Manage Like · Reply · 3h
 Ember Rayne Please do purge him lol. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne He is one of the many who truly and genuinely believe they should be able to end all war on their terms,
when they are in a dominant position, and if folks have a problem with that, those folks are the ones causing the problems.
Sure yes there could be peace under a white patriarchy if the browns and the ladies would just learn their God given places
amirite.
Why do they want freedom and equal treatment anyway? Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens ^you have know idea what I believe Manage Haha · Reply · 3h

Alicia Padgett I mean damn you even mention anything white and some of these people come out screaming “racist!”
Makes no sense. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Alicia Padgett Sounds like you have a victim complex to me. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens No one's screaming. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens Maybe I do🤔 Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Alicia Padgett Some people in here do. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Alicia Padgett Why is talking about if black South Africans should get reparations racist though? Manage
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Richard Edens Never said it was. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Alicia Padgett Then what are you talking about exactly? Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens Well... I guess.... Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens nothing of any real importance. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne Exactly what's wrong with the human race is the lack of respect for the opinions and feelings of cis
white men.
That's it. That's EXACTLY what is wrong with the human race. Manage Like · Reply · 3h
 Richard Edens There you go projecting E.
I was speaking more along the lines of compassion and empathy from all, for all.
But you're probably right tho, you know, because I'm a white male therefore I am racist and unsympathetic to all who are not.
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Richard Edens Do you realize you are guilty of the same thing you are blindly accusing me of? Manage Haha · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne Imagine being such a coward that you cannot embrace words you literally said a few minutes ago.
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Ember Rayne The nice thing about people like Richard is they always take the same track. Easy to follow. We are not
convinced that people fighting against colonialism and racism are the real racists, Richard.
It's not working.
The idea of "let's all be peaceful now that Africa has been defiled and 90% of its art is off continent and most of the resources
have been stolen" is very simply just a con to try and avoid retribution.
You want peace? Call for reparations and redress of grievances.
Otherwise you are just advocating for the victims of colonialism to go quietly.
And you know it. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens No Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne Yes. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne (Yes, and I don't care how you try to spin it or if it being pointed out chaps your ass. Yes.) Manage
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Richard Edens I feel like I am wasting my time with this discussion.

If we're going to continue, can we try to find some common ground? Something we both believe in?
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Ember Rayne Idk man you are the one who showed up to tell us that we are the ones with the problem. Whatcha got?
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 Richard Edens ...this is the reason for my late night rant last night.
I truly want to have this discussion. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne (Next step... deflect.) Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Richard Edens I'll start.

I'd like a safe and stable future for not only my children, but yours as well. Manage Like · Reply · 3h

Ember Rayne Okay. Great. You will have to agree to a *less* prosperous future for your children to achieve that.
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Richard Edens Let me explain the laugh...

My children are not looking at a "prosperous" future. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne That's very sad for you. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne If you mean your specific children and my one specific child, we have no impact on one another and as
such, no quarrels. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne If you mean the children of African and European nations, my point stands. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Okay, now i feel we're moving forward. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Oh. Well. Then we must be! Thank you, Richard! Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Stop. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Fuck no Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Lol. I said "i" feel, didn't say we were. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens (Takes 2 steps back) Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne What you are missing is that your feelings are not why I'm talking to you. Manage Like · Reply · 2h
 Richard Edens Your turn then, do you think we have any common ground at all? Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne I'm talking to you to put a counterpoint to your narrative which should not be allowed to stand as is. Manage
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Ember Rayne I don't need you to give me turns. I will say what I like when I want to.
You don't even realize how condescending you are lol. You simply assume automatic conversational control. Manage
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Ember Rayne (What Richard did not know was that Ember's degree has a focus in social stratification) Manage
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Richard Edens ^^^^^That is exactly why I am talking to you Ember, your feelings ARE important to me. Manage
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Richard Edens I apologize for sounding condescending, I didn't mean to... Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Why are my feelings important to you? Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Because you are human. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens And so am I Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne What I think you are missing here (you are not alone) is that colonialism is IMPERSONAL. Manage
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Richard Edens All people's feelings are important, especially strangers Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Eh. Not on a macro level. Which is the level where social change happens. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens True Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne One moment I need to switch from phone to computer to go on. Manage Like · Reply · 2h
Richard Edens I need about a 5 minute break as well. I hope we can resume this? Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Where were we?

Personal feelings on a macro level... I agree Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Okay I'm back as well, and now with qwerty :) Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens I'm old and have fat fingers, please bear with me...lol Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne The deal is that MANY white people get really upset when someone points out that "white people are
basically human trafficking terrorists who destroy whole populations in service of white interests."
They get upset because as perfectly sensitive and pleasant white folks, they don't feel they should be lumped in with their
pillaging ancestors and contemporaries. Especially if they are themselves poor, came from poor and immigrant families to
whatever country they now call home, and are woke enough to realize that race is a social construct and there is no good
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Ember Rayne What you and they are doing is viewing the situation on a micro level. Nobody likes to be told "White
people are problematic" when they identify as white because they hear YOU are problematic.
And so, they tend to go on the defensive. About why NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE are problematic, about how they specifically are
victimized and how white people are being attacked as problematic.
Copy all that to men.
Double it up if you're a white man. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens I follow ya... Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne BUT. Two things. First... "Whiteness" is a made up thing. It's literal only purpose is to differentiate it
from "nonwhiteness" and from "Blackness" in particular.
White people do not actually exist. Europeans exist. Australians, Russians, etc, all exist with rich cultural heritages.
But the vast majority of fuckery done on this planet over the last 2000 years has been done in the name of whiteness. A made
up thing. And of Christianity... DEFINITELY a made up thing, as we know it's direct provenance in the history of Jesus Christ.
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Richard Edens Btw, I appreciate you taking the time to have this discussion... Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne So, when I say "White people suck and should be eradicated post haste from the surface of the earth, never to be
heard from again"

I don't mean "Richard, please die." I mean, "Richard, please renounce your whiteness as a construct which oppresses. Can
instead of being white can you just be American? Then I too, can JUST be American. Or American of Afro-Caribbean descent
while you are American of Nordic descent. And we can learn about your people's art and mine and your people's culture and
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 Richard Edens My eyes are opening. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Most often, when POC speak about "white men" and when women speak about "men" being
problematic and in need of combat what they're really thinking is "This social construct is hugely oppressive and it needs to be
made to stop."
Getting INDIVIDUAL white people to feel bad about who they are as people is unproductive.
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Richard Edens Agree Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Getting them to think about WHITENESS and what it is can be very productive. But then, there comes
the idea of the privileges that whiteness grants.
Is being white going to make you rich? Absolutely not.
White people still get shot by the cops in America, they still get bankrupted by our medical system and student loans and they
still have all the rest of the problems our class system perpetuates.
But. None of those problems happen BECAUSE they are white. And they begin in a position where they are advantaged in
certain key areas because of their consideration by society as white.
White people are more likely to be born into better school districts than people of color. They are more likely to be called for
job interviews and when they commit crimes, which they do at about the same rates as people of color in ways based largely
on economic conditions NOT cultural ones, they are more likely to receive LESS harsh sentences.
So, when we talk about individuals profiting off of whiteness, that's what we mean.
You can't just BE unwhite though. Society SEES you as white. Just like no matter how many degrees I get, or how much work I
do, I'm going to be a black woman. Because our society is built like that right now.
So, how is it your fault that you're white? It's NOT.
What IS problematic is the internalization of that whiteness.
The fact that when the problems of whiteness are brought up, you feel personally attacked and so compelled to defend
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Ember Rayne he worst part is that the constructs of whiteness and non-whiteness here in America were expressly designed
in order to create classes here to benefit a very few wealthy landowners, and to strip land which when it was "discovered" had
as many people on it as Europe did.
White pride is now so entrenched into white people that they have forgotten largely that they were French, Italian, German,
Scandinavian, British or Russian. They are White Americans.
Which is sad, because they should simply be Americans. But to be proud of the 400 or so years of American heritage is to be
proud of a country that was built on the backs of slaves in large part, and those slaves never repaid for their efforts but instead
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Richard Edens i'm an american... Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne Black Americans have had to "be black" because we don't really have anything else we can reliably be.
Our records were destroyed. We are working really hard to patch them together with the help of some good historians but
really, ON PURPOSE Africans and Caribbean people were actively cut off from their cultural pasts. We're making it up as we go
along, which is why you see so much Egypt centered blackness, and so much that is simply wrong but we're going with it.
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 Ember Rayne We would love to just "be Americans." I'm an American too.
BUT. America doesn't see me as just "an American." If it did, then race relations in this country could heal.
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Richard Edens I see you as an American. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne You see yourself as just "an american." Right up until someone points out that "white men are fucking
terrorists." Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Then I'm Fuckin' American!😆 Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens Wait a minute....^^now I know you're not attacking me personally, so I'll calm down Manage
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Ember Rayne I'm absolutely not attacking you personally. Any more than people who say "Black men commit over
50% of violent crime but make up 13% of the population" are trying to personally say anything bad about Rasheed who just
got accepted to Harvard.
(My spell check still underlines Rasheed. But not John or Frank or Peter or Leonidas by the way)
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Richard Edens

Richard Edens Your comments are requiring multiple reacts from me... Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens *some of your Manage Like · Reply · 2h

 Ember Rayne The massive difference is that when I say "white men are fucking terrorists" because I'm trying to
make a point (I tend not to say this because I realize that it garners reactions that are unproductive, but I KNOW it is said by
POC lamenting the situations in Charlottesville and in South Carolina and on and on) NOTHING CHANGES. There is no policy or
real social impact from POC "Attacking white men."
We have little power. The fear is that we might get some, and treat white men like white society treats black men.
It would SUCK to be stopped and frisked just to be sure you're not on your way to shoot up a church of good Christian Black
Folks. I would be humiliating and dehumanizing. But... I can't imagine it actually HAPPENING. Can you?
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5437&context=flr Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens I must say again, I appreciate this conversation. Contrary to my rant last night, I prefer to listen than to
talk and to understand rather than just hear. Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Richard Edens What is the link to? I have Netflix, didn't sign in to follow the link tho... Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne It shouldn't take you to netflix lol Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne It should take you to an article:

2017 Terrorists Are Always Muslim but Never White: At the Intersection of Critical Race Theory andPropaganda by Caroline
Mala Corbin University of Miami School of Law Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Ember Rayne On a PERSONAL level I love white folks.

I went to an almost entirely white private school, my first two husbands were white men and I'm engaged to another one. I
never learn lol.
My daughter is of French Colonial heritage. Her dad is from Louisiana.
I'm a huge EDM fan and a music festival vendor.
So, when I say "White people are problematic as fuck" I'm not saying "INDIVIDUAL WHITE AMERICANS WILL BE MY FIRST
TARGETS IN THE CIVIL WAR TO COME."
I'm saying that the civil war will be about, and MUST be about destroying whiteness as a social construct so that ALL
Americans can work together to defeat elitism which is the purpose of the social constructs of race being created in the first
place.
Remember. Europe gave us kings and feudalism and slavery in addition to Colonialism.
"Cis White Men" are only the problem insofar as they assist in perpetuating a system where a few thousand RICH WHITE MEN
and their families leech off of literally everyone else on earth. Manage Like · Reply · 2h
 Richard Edens Ember, thank you for taking the time this morning helping me to better understand a different point of
view. Hopefully you will see that reflect in my future commentary, or lack thereof.
However, I would prefer to change the subject before we get into the topic of "civil" war, there is nothing civil about war. Let's
save that for a future discussion...
Although I feel I [may] understand you a little more from a personal perspective, I'm not sure if you can, or will care to, say the
same.
So, I'd like to leave you with this simple token of my gratitude. You mentioned your love of EDM earlier. I also am a fan. I hope
this short video makes you smile and lol, and I hope you have a heavenly day.
https://www.facebook.com/RunTheTrap/videos/1261692997294015/

03:34 7,127,785 Views Run The Trap May 30 · Who's dad is this 😂😂 Manage Like · Reply · 2h

Joseph Zado This is Ember. (My fiance's profile)

I caught a 3 day ban because someone reported my comment (guess what sort of person), so I cannot reply.
This is very common when people of color talk about whiteness as problematic.
Despite ALL I SAID in its wide context... I'm banned. For daring to say something negative about white men.
I hope this outcome is particularly instructive.
Back in 3 days. Thanks, Facebook. 🙄 Manage Like · Reply · 2h

But… Facebook has an appeals system right?

Well… See you in 3 days.