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‘AHLUSSUNNAH WAL JAMA:’:AH

Does Engineer Ali Mirza Have Rights


To Defend Khatmun Nabuvah And
Divine Unicity According To His Own
Standards
A STUDY OF UNISLAMIC BELIEVES OF ENGINEER
MUHAMMAD ALI MIRZA, [REFUTING ALI MIRZA]
HUSAM
[Pick the date]

Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: alleges that no one has the right to defend the finality of Holy Prophet Except him. But Engineer ‘Ali: Mirza: does
not have any right to defend Divine Unicity and Finality Of Holy Prophet . This is studied and proved in this Article.
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DOES ENGINEER OF JHELUM HAS THE RIGHT TO


DEFEND KH:-T-MUNABU:V-H AND UNICITY OF
DEITY/GOD.
Introduction
Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: in one of his lectures has claimed that only he has the right to defend Finality of
Holy Prophet .

He claims that none other than his has this right in the whole world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPHxD0U_2KI

Time :- 1:44m to 2:40m

This claim is obscure and ridiculous . Above all this claim is false and wrong.

So what are his ALLEGED Proofs which he has provided on his claim that is incorrect and untrue claim.

1] He says that only he follows ‘Isla:m and does not belong to ant sect.

2] He says that ELDERS [B-z-rg] of those who defend Finality and Lasthood of Holy Prophet did speak
some sentences contrary to the Finality of Holy Prophet , so they do not have the right to defend Finality
of Holy Prophet.

Both of these attempted and alleged Proofs are incorrect and invalid.

Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: did say himself such sentences which made him deprived of the RIGHT of
defending Divine Unicity and Finality Of Holy Prophet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbFRkxlqGWU

Time :- 5:35m to 7:09m

Objection on the First ALLEGED PROOF.


Engineer Of Jhelum does claim that he represents ‘Isla:m and does not follow any sect .

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This claim is incorrect since he is a founder of a NEW SECT which he has not named yet and it is very
likely that he shall never name his sect. But by all standards of Definition he is a founder of a Sect.

As the founder of a sect follows his own founded sect , he follows a Sect. His Sensibilities , Opinions ,
Believes , Views and Conceptions do constitute a Sect. He is in the likeness of Mas’:u:d ‘Ah:m-d BSc ,
who was the founder of a sect but he claimed that he did not belong to any sect. So the founder does
belong to a sect. If he does not name his founded sect then we have the RIGHT to name his sect by the
following Nouns.

1] Engineeriah 2]Engineerism 3] Jhelumism 4] Jhelumiah 5]’:Ali:mirza’ism [Alimirzaism] 6] ‘:Alimirzaiah.

7]Jhelumiat. 8]Engineeriat 9]Alimirzaiat.

A heresy is a heresy by any word USED FOR IT.

So the followers of the sect may be represented by the following Nouns.

1] Engineerite 2] Engineeri: 3]Jhelumi 4]Jhelumite. 5]’:Alimirzai 6] Alimirzaites.

`So he definitely belongs to a sect.

So the first claim is wrong and false.

Now about the second alleged proof.

Every one has the right to support Kh:at-m ‘An Nabu:vah . The sentences which the Engineer ‘A:li Mirza
takes in the meanings which are against the Finality of the Holy Prophet as according to the claim of the
Engineer of Jhelum, are taken in different meanings which are not against the Finality and Lasthood of
the Holy Prophet. As the Finality and Lasthood are so obvious and Evident that even a Non Muslim who
studies Holy ‘Isla:m has no doubt that Holy Prophet is the Last and Final Prophet in ‘Isla:m.

To deny the Finality and Lasthood of Prophethood Of Holy Prophet is just like to deny the Very
Prophethood of Holy Prophet.

From the time Mirza: Of Qa:dia:n first claimed Prophethood for himself to the time of Conception Of
Mirza: Of Jhelum there is an interval of Time. In this interval there was a complete Consensus of all Sects
that any one who claims Prophethood for himself/herself is a Ka:fir/Ka:firah. This Consensus was
Primarily constituted by those Sects about which this Heretic Engineer claims that each one of them has
no right to defend Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet [‘Astagh:farullah Va Na’:u:dh:u Billah].

This means within this stated above interval of time the Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet was
defenseless according to the Engineer Of Jhelum [‘Astagh:farullah Va Na’:u:dh:u Billah].

This is sufficient enough to prove that Engineer Muh:ammad ‘:Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum is certainly a
founder of a New Sect. Finality and Lasthood of the Holy Prophet was also defended by Muh:ammad
‘:Ali: of Lahore [Founder of Lahori Mirzaism] , even if he was not a Muslim.

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Objection on the Second ALLEGED PROOF.


A]Engineer ‘A:li: Mirza: claims that the Elders Of several Muslim sects have uttered such
expressions which are against the Kh:atmun Nabu:vah in their meanings. But he Himself has
Spoken and preached such sentences and believes openly that he definitely and certainly loses the
right to defend Kh:atmun Nabu:vah. At least his opponents take some other meanings of such
expressions but the Engineer cannot take any other meaning of his sentences.[ One may Listen to
His Lecture].

‘ISH:AQ OF FAIS:AL ‘ABA:D , HIS VIEWS AND RIGHT OF THE MAN FROM
JHELUM CALLED ‘:ALI MIRZA.
‘Ish:aq of Fais:al ‘Aba:d interpreted the Expressions and Sentences Of Shaikh: ‘:Arabi: in regard to
Kh:atmun Nabu:vah. So considering his right to Interpret , irrespective of his correctness or wrongness
of the Interpretation , mere the consideration of this Right for the [Late] ‘Ish:aq Jha:l Va:la, makes the
Right of the Engineer to defend Kh:atmun Nabu:vah to cease.

Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: considers ‘Ish:aq of Fais:al ‘Aba:d as Muslim and a Scholar Of ‘Isla:m even in the
case Zubair ‘:Ali: Zai was against him. But ‘Ish:aq of Fais:al ‘Aba:d did Support Shaikh: ‘Ibn “Arabi on a

Reason Why Engineer ‘:A:li: Mirza: has no Right At all to defend


Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet According To His Own
Standard.
Engineer ‘A:li: Mirza: in one of his So Called Lectures claimed that Qa:dianis are Kafir Only Because they
declare believers in the Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet.

If they change their this view then Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: Shall Cease to declare them as Ka:fir [Non
Muslim].

How ever he provides an argument that they shall never cease to do that then there for it is implied for
this reason he shall not cease to declare them as Ka:fir.

But the Truth is that even if Qa:dianis cease to declare Believers in the Finality and Lasthood Of Holy
Prophet , yet the shall continue to be Ka:fir because they are Ka:fir on the basis that they do deny the
Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet.

[We have written a full article in this regard].

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So what he has said in this regard , make his Right Of Defending the Finality and Lasthood Of Holy
Prophet Cease according to his own standard. He is now deprived of his this Right if he did have any

Right Prior to this lecture.

Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: said that if Some one denies the claim of Prophethood of Mirza Of Qa:dia:n and
continues to e a Musm then Mirza: Of Qa:dia:n cannot be a Prophet.

This is an argument derived from the Basic Principle that “If someone denies a belief and remains to be
a Muslim then the belief is not Certain”.

But if a person can deny the Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet that is among the Necessaries of
‘Isla:m [D:-ru:ria:tud Di:n] , Axioms Of ‘Is;a:m, Self Evident to all Muslims and in its Necessity [D:-ru:rah]
is beyond any Shadow Of Doubt, then he can deny the argument of Engineer ‘A:li Mirza: by saying that a
Denier Of a Projective [Z:illi] Prophethood does not cease to be a Muslim . Does the Engineer think that
his argument is more strong the Proofs Of Kh:at-mun Nabu:v-h themselves.

It Must be noted that the Kufr of a Person [say P] is Proved by the denial of Finality and Lasthood Of
Holy Prophet. So whether a Person [say P] who believes in the Claim of Mirza: , whether the Person
declares all the believers in the Finality Of Holy Prophet as Non Muslim or Not, the Person [say P]
continues to be a Ka:fir, because this Person [say P] denies the Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet.

If a Person DENIETH the Finality and Lasthood of Prophethood Of HOLY PROPHET then he/she becomes
Ka:fir/Ka:firah [Ca:fir(ah)] IMMEDIATELY for he/she has committed the Kufr/Cufr [Infidelity] of Denying
the Finality and Lasthood mentioned above. This Kufr is INDEPENDENT of the Takfi:r [Declaration of
Kufr] of believers in the stated above Finality and Lasthood.

Although “Declaration of Kufr [Takfi:r/Tacfi:r] of Believers in the Finality and Lasthood of Holy Prophet”
is another Kufr but the “Denial Of Finality and Lasthood Of Holy Prophet” is an Independent Kufr.

It is CERTAINLY NOT the case that one who does Disbelieve in the Finality and Lasthood Of the Holy
Prophet Requires to fulfill and other condition that he Must declare the Believers in the Finality and
Lasthood Of Holy Prophet, so that such a Person is declared as Ka:fir by the Believers in the Finality and
Lasthood, even if it is certain that he must declare the Believers in the Finality and Lasthood as Ka:fir.

Since it is NOT A CONDITION, even in the case of Supposition and the Assumed Case. By proposing this
Condition Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza:’s Right to Defend Kh:at-mun Nabu:vah Ceases once for all times.

The Takfi:r of a Denouncer Of the Finality and Lasthood of Holy Prophet is Unconditional.

Furhter Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum makes the Takfi:r of the “deniers of the Finality and Lasthood Of
Holy Prophet” just on the Takfi:r of Muslims done by them , and not upon the Articles Of Kufrs believed
by them.

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So his confidence in them that they shall never cease to declare the Believers in Kh:at-mun Nabu:vah ”
as Ka:fir is pointless and immaterial.

Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: has no right to defend The Finality and Lasthood of Holy Prophet.
Kufr is Ordained on the Denial of the Kh:at-mun Nabu:vah primarily , and secondly on the Takfi:r of
Muslims committed by the Denouncers of the Finality and Lasthood Of the Holy Prophet.

Reason Why Engineer ‘:A:li: Mirza: has no Right At all


to defend Tauh:id [Unicity ] Of G-d/D-ity According To
His Own Standard.
We have discussed and studied the “Concepts Of Shirk in the Theological System” Of Engineer ‘:Ali:
Mirza: Of Jhelum.

In the present research we shall study the topic “Whether Engineer Of Jhelum has the Right to Defend
the Unicity Of God/Deity.

In the same Lecture he says that he declares N—s:airiah as Ka:fir , because they declare the Denouncer
of [Alleged] Divinity of Saiyiduna: ‘:Ali: as Kafir. But he does not declare them as Ka:fir because they
believe in the Divinity Of Saiyiduna: ‘:Ali: . This Ceases the Engineer’s Right to defend Divine Unicity to
Cease once for all times.

If a Person believes that Saiyiduna: ‘:Ali: is God/Deity or God/Deity Incarnate or Incarnation of


God/Deity Incarnated God/Deity or that God/Deity Manifests in the person of ‘:Ali: , the Person
becomes a Ka:fir, a Mushrik/Mushric and a Murtadd /M-r-dd IMMEDIATELY.

It is absolutely irrelevant whether this Person declares the denouncers of the [alleged] Divinity of
Saiyiduna: ‘:Ali: [RD:] as Ka:fir or Not.

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Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum makes the Takfi:r a group just on the Takfi:r of Muslims done by the
group , and not upon the Articles Of Kufrs believed by the group.

This is very dangerous and alarming situation. What this Man from Jhelum is up to?

This question may not be difficult to answer. What he wants is that his followers shall declare a person
or a group as Ka:fir on the ground that the person or the group declares others as Ka:fir or not, and not
on the Articles of Kufr believed by the Person or the Group.

But makes his Right to Defend Truth Of Kh:atmun Nabu:vah and Unicity Of God/Deity to Cease.

Analysis of Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum


1] If some one P1 says that Holy Prophet is the Last Prophet yet does not declare a Person P2 who
disbelieves in the Lasthood of Holy Prophet then he does not believe in the Certainty Of the Lasthood
[Lastness] of the Holy Prophet. Such a person is not a Muslim. The Person P2 is also not a Muslim. But
the reasons of Takfi:r [Verdict Of Kufr] in each case is different.

2] If some one P3 says that Holy Prophet is not the Last Prophet yet does not declare a Person P4 who
believes in the Lasthood of Holy Prophet then he/she P3 does not believe in the Lasthood [Lastness] of
the Holy Prophet. P3 is not a Muslim , but P4 may be a Muslim . If P4 does not hold any article of
Kufr/Cufr then P4 is a Muslim, but if P4 does hold any Article Of Cufr /Kufr ,at least one then P4 is not a
Muslim.

3] If a person P5 does believe in two Articles of Kufr say K1 and K2, and a Person P6 declares P5 as not a
Muslim on only one of the two say K1 and not on the other say K2 , and says that he i.e P6 shall accept
P5 as a Muslim if P5 just repents on K1, and neglects K2 , then such a Person P6 ceases to be a Muslim.

For P6 does not consider K2 as an article Of Kufr.

OUR VIEW
Actually every one has the right to defend Kh:at-mun Nabu:vah and Divine Unicity , since Qur’a:n and
H:adi:th: teach and preach them Explicitly , Certainly, Properly and Evidently. A proof of Kh:atmun
Nabu:vah does not cease to be a Proof of Kh:at-mun Nabu:vah if it is present by a person. Proof of a
Correct Belief is Correct and its Correctness does not cease to be, if presented by a Person who is
believed by Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza to have no right. Any one who claims that he believes in the Divine
Unicity or in Finality Of Holy Prophet or both but does not declare those who deny any one of the two
belief or both of them on the bases of denial of denial of any one of them or both of them then that one
is self contradicting himself indirectly. A self contradictor may be excluded as an exception.In general

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Proofs are not relative to their presenters. That is if a Proof of Kh:atmun Nabu:vah is Presented by the
Man Of Jhelum is Correct then it continues to be Correct if the very same Proof is presented by any
other person irrespective of any thing. Proof remains correct even if the presenter is a self contradictor.

[Please note the difference between a May be Exception and a Must Be Exception i.e a Possible Exception and Necessary
Exception.This notification is necessary as a response in precaution to a possible question / objection of the Engineer of
Jhelum that weather we accept his right to defend the stated above believes or do not accept his right, which he may ask in
his response. If any such question is asked one can derive the answer from this note. A detail discussion is irrelevant but
may be presented if required. ]

If a belief or a claim is true and correct and the proof on the claim is right and correct then every one has
the right of every one to present it irrespective of the fact that the presenter holds some incorrect
believes or views .

So it is the right of any one to present the right proof of a right belief or a right claim regardless of some
wrong believes and views the presenter may hold.

CONSPIRACY OF ENGINEER ‘:ALI: MIRZA: OF JHELUM AGAINST


SAIYIDUNA DH:U:L QARMAIN AND SAIYIDUNA: KH:-D:-R
There is a dispute among Muslims whether Saiyiduna: Dh:-l Q-rn-in and Saiyiduna: Kh:-d:-r , both of the two are Prophets or one of the
two is a Prophet or none of the two is a Prophet. Some of the Muslims opine that none of the two is a Prophet, some of the Muslims opine
that one of the two is a Prophet and some of the Muslims opine both of the two are Prophets. Some of the Muslims are silent , they
neither opine that both of them are Prophets nor they opine that any one of them is a Prophet ,nor they oine that none of them is a
Prophet. Yet this is an interior dispute of Muslims. There is a Perfect ‘Ijma:’: that nothing is Certain in regard to there respective
controversial Prophethoods AND NOTHING CAN BE SAID WITH CERTAINTY IN REGARD TO THE PROPHETHOOD OF EACH OF THEM. Now what
Enginner ‘:Ali: Mirza: actually wants to imbed and install in the mind of his students and listeners that :-

1] Certainly None of the two stated above Persons is a Prophet since deniers of their respective Prophethoods do continue to be Muslim.

2] If those who opine that they are Prophets and those who opine only one of them is a Prophet , are considered as Muslims, the benefit
should be given to the believers in the claim of Mirza: Of Qa:dia:n. [‘ASTAGH:FARULLAH VA NA’:U:DH:UBILLAH] .

So Mirza: Of Jhelum is defending the followers of Mrza: Of Qa:dian implicitly. However he is clever enough not to say explicitly.

In regard to the sentence it maybe implicit but the external and internal indicators , the context and other explicit sentences spoken by
the Mirza: Of Jhelum unearth his dangerous idea.

So it is necessary to modify the argument of Mirza: of Jhelum.

If someone claimed to be a Prophet and his claim is conveyed to us with certainty independent of Qur’a:n , H:adi:th: and ‘Ijma:’ and the
deniers of the claim of the claimant continue to be Muslims then the claimant is certainly Not a Prophet.

Any one who believes in the claim is also NOT A MUSLIM.

After Holy Prophet anyone who claims that he has received Prophethood is not a Muslim,

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As for Saiyiduna: ‘:I:sa: [‘:AS] He Hath received Prophethood before Holy Prophet .

The aim of the Engineer of Jhelum is to embed such doubts and such arguments in the mind of his followers , listeners, students etc.
which can cast doubts in the Takfi:r of Mirza: of Qadian and his followers.

So be alert of the Mirza: Of Jhelum.

Some Important Points :


1] Certainty Of the Finality Of Holy Prophet is a Certain Proof that any one who doubteth in the Finality
of the Holy Prophet is Certainly not a Muslim on the basis of his/her doubt in the Finality stated above,
whether he/she holdeth some additional beliefs of Cufr/Kufr or the doubt stated above is the only
Kufr/Cufr of him/her.

2]If in the supposed case that a denouncer of the Finality Of Prophethood of Holy Prophet ceaseth to
declare Muslims as Ka:fir , he/she continueth to be a Non Muslim. Since the person who so ever he/she
may be is not a Muslim on the base of the basis of denial of the stated above Finality Of Holy Prophet.

This is explained as follow:-

Suppose that there is a person say P, who believeth in two articles of Kufr/Cufr say 1] He/She believeth

That G-d Hath a Beginning and He is Not Eternal . 2] He/She believeth that there shall be no day of
Judgement [Qiya:m-h]. Suppose that these two are the only articles of Kufr/Cufr among all articles of
Cufr/Kufr in which he/she believeth.So if the person P begineth to believe in the Eternity of God but
continueth to disbelieve in Qiya:ma-h [Doomsday and Day Of Judgement] , the person P continueth to
be a Non Muslim. If some once say P1 says that he declares the personP as not a Muslim only on the
second /Kufr/Cufr [i.e denial of Qiya:mah] and not on the first[ i.e Belief in the Beginning Of G-d or
Disbelieve in the Eternity Of G-d] , and if the person P begineth to believe in the Qiya:mah , he i.e P1
shall cease to declare P as a Non Muslim then the person P1 also commiteth a Kufr/Cufr. Since if any one
doeth not declare a person as Not a Muslim on definite and certain Kufr/Cufr , then he himself/herself
doeth not believe in the Certainty and Definiteness of that Kufr/Cufr.

3] Mirza: Of Jhelum is confident that the believers in the claim of prophethood of Mirza: of Qa:diya:n
shall not declare Muslims as Muslims on the following Argument:-

If a Person P1 denieth the claim of Prophethood of a Person P2 and continueth to be a Muslim then the
Person P2 cannot be a Prophet.

But the question is when some one can deny the Finality Of Holy Prophet [Finality Of Prophethood Of
Holy Prophet] that is proved by Proofs With Certainly , nothing could be said about his/her attitude

In regard to the written above argument.

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Ma:mu:di: Mirzais [Qa:diya:nis] may go according to the confidence of Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: but La:hori:
Mirzais [ who call themselves as ‘Ah:madi:s] betray this confidence of Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: .

Perhaps Muh:ammad ‘:Ali: Mirza: made an indirect attempt to support the followers of Muh:ammad
‘:Ali: Laho:ri: .

4] There were some deniers of Finality Of Holy Prophet , who believe in the claim of claimant of
Prophethood after Holy Prophet yet hold the view that the “ Deniers Of the Claim of the Claimant” are
also a Muslims. Once Mirza: Of Qa:diya:n “Gh:la:m ‘Ah:mad Qa:diya:ni: was of this view . So does it
mean that if a claimant of Prophethood is not a Non Muslim in the Opinion Of Mirza: Of Jhelum if he
says that deniers of his claim are Muslims? If it is Kufr and it is Kufr with Certainty, then how could the
Engineer say that he would cease to declare denouncers of Finality Of Holy Prophet as Non Muslims if
they cease to declare Muslims as Non Muslims? Any one who doubteth in the Kufr of denier of the
Finality and Lasthood Of the Holy Prophet is not a Muslim even if his/her doubt is infinestimal.

5] It is very clear that Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: can not declare a group of deniers of the Finality Of Holy
Prophet as Non Muslims on the basis of the denial of the Finality Of Holy Prophet , even if the stated
above Engineer declares the stated above group on the basis of declaring Muslims as Non Muslims.

Due to change of Basis, Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum becomes deprived of any Right to Defend the
Finality Of Holy Prophet based on his own standard. It further proves that although the Engineer claims
that he believe in the Finality of Holy Prophet , but due to stated above reason he believes in it not with
certainty but at best with probability, some thing less than certainty.

Similarly one can write in regard to the Divine Unicity and Jhelumite/Engineerite Concept of Shirk. But it
is left as an exercise for our readers.

How ever it must be noted that it is possible that a person says that the there are probable [Z:anni:]
evidences on the deification or on the incarnation of G-d/D-ity [Deity] in a human being /nature and not
certain [Qat:’:i:] evidences , therefore the the person may not declare those who disbelieve in the stated
above deification/incarnation as a Ka:fir.

ANY HOW SELF CONTRADICTING ENGINEER DOES NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO DEFEND DIVINE UNICITY
AND FINALITY OF HOLY PROPHET ON HIS OWN STANDARD.

DO THE JHELUMITE STUDENTS STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONSPARACIOUS MIND IN THEIR TEACHER,
A CONSPARACIST AGAINST THE ‘ISLA:MIC TRUTH.WHEN WILL THE UNDERSTAND?

Some Question
1] Can Engineer Of Jhelum declare a Person as a Non Muslim , who claims that he believes in the
deification of Saiyiduna: ‘A:li: [RD:]not in certainty but in a strong probability. In such a possible case
Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza cannot declare such a person as a Non Muslim according to his own standard. A

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possible response by the Engineer of Jhelum is that as this is only a Possible case , he is shall answer the
question when this Possiblity is actualized.

But Kufr does not depend upon the existence of its believers. So a belief of Kufr remains Kufr even if no
one ever believed in it.

So this possible response is in valid.

2] Can Engineer Of Jhelum declare a Person as a Non Muslim , who claims that he believes in t deification
of some one other than Saiyiduna: ‘:Ali: ,not in certainty but in a strong probability. In such a possible
case Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza cannot declare such a person as a Non Muslim according to his own standard? A
possible response by the Engineer of Jhelum is that as this is only a Possible case , he is shall answer the
question when this Possiblity is actualized. Recall the answer to this question.

“But Kufr does not depend upon the existence of its believers. So a belief of Kufr remains Kufr even if no
one ever believed in it”.

3] If some one believes that the Divine Knowledge and the Knowledge of Prophet are exactly equal and
infinite , but the only difference is that Divine Knowledge is Essential [‘Adh:dh:a:ti:] and the Prophetic
Knowledge is Bestowed [‘Al ‘:At:a:’i:], but he does not declare any one as a Non Muslim who disbelieve in it,
can the Engineer declare him as Ka:fir on his own standard?

4] If some one believes that “G-d only Knoweth Past but Doeth not Know Future “,and does not declare any
one who believes in the Omniscience of G-d as Non Muslims , then can the Engineer of City Of Jhelum
declare such a person as Non Muslim , on his own standard?

5] If a person believes that Mirza: of Qa:dia:n is a prophet yet he says those who deny in his claim of
prophethood , are also Muslim, then the question is , can Engineer Of Jhelum declare such a person as a
NonMuslim on his own standard?

Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: may respond that such a person commits a Self Contradiction. But a Self
Contradiction whether directly or indirectly cannot save a person from Kufr/Cufr.

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TO THE
FOLLOWERS/STUDENTS OF
THE ENGINEER
The system of the Engineer is the most inconsistent minded person yet like the Great Deceiver rather
Super Deceiver , he attempts to distort the belief of Muslims . His system of thoughts is in inconsistent,
his ideas are self contradicting, his views are paradoxical and his faith is his heresy.

He is most dangerous than an Atheist or a Missionary or a Denier of H:adi:th: . So please do not listen to
his lectures unless and otherwise you have thorough knowledge of the subjects he is dealing with. He
uses verses of Qur’a:n and Traditions of H:adi:th: other than their proper meanings. Like Mr. Gh:ula:m
‘Ah:mad Pervez and Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad Qa:diani: he is a Master of Distortions AND Fallacies.

How many proofs and evidences do you require to be convinced that he is a Heretic and
Heterodox.

Are you still in doubt?

You Are Informed. On the day of Judgement we shall be glad to say that we did informed you.

On that day Engineer’s followers/student shall not have any way to escape from God/Deity. So please do
not be in them .

THANKS FOR READING THE ARTICLE .

SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEER OF JHELUM “-Engineer ‘:Ali: Mirza: -”

More Questions shall be asked in Part 2.

But as regard to the discussion this part one is self contained.

DISCLAIMER

The author is not responsible for any distortion in the meaning if it is due to the error of the typist.

The author is not responsible for things written for sake of arguments.

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The author have asked something for sake of arguments, it cannot be claimed that the author believes
in them.

The author is Muslim , Sunni ‘Ahlussunnah Val Jama:’:ah. So if there is any thing contrary to the
Majority of Sunni: believes then it MUST be considered as some thing for sake of argument, and it
must not be ascribed to the author as his belief.

Engineer ‘’Ali:
Mirza: is a
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heretic and
heterodox who
claims that he
is on the M-nh-j
Of
‘Ahlussuunnah
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but actually he
his on the M-n-
h-j OF ‘Ahlul
Bid’’ah
Vattafarqah.
‘AHLUSSUNNAH VAL JAMA:’:AH

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