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Addressing Specific Objections Against the Need for the Shedding of Blood to make Atonement
By Sam Shamoun
In this article I will be responding to the claim made by some that Leviticus 5:11,
“But if he cannot afford two turtledoves or two young pigeons, then he shall bring, as his offering for
the sin which he has committed, a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil
upon it, and shall put no frankincense on it, for it is a sin offering.” Revised Standard Version (RSV)
And Exodus 30:15,
“The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less, than the half shekel, when you give the
LORD’s offering to make atonement for yourselves.” RSV
Demonstrate that shedding blood isn’t the only means of making atonement. The chief reason why these texts
are cited is to show that the book of Hebrews is wrong in its following assertion,
“Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood
there is no forgiveness of sins.” Hebrews 9:22 RSV
Since these particular OT passages make it absolutely clear that God prescribed other ways to atone for sins
besides the shedding of blood.
We therefore turn our focus to answering this objection by seeking to unpack the correct meaning of these
particular verses.
LEVITICUS 5:11
Here is the immediate context of v. 11 so we can get a better understanding of what this text is really all
about:
“If any one sins in that he hears a public adjuration to testify and though he is a witness, whether
he has seen or come to know the matter, yet does not speak, he shall bear his iniquity. Or if any
one touches an unclean thing, whether the carcass of an unclean beast or a carcass of unclean
cattle or a carcass of unclean swarming things, and it is hidden from him, and he has become
unclean, he shall be guilty. Or if he touches human uncleanness, of whatever sort the uncleanness
may be with which one becomes unclean, and it is hidden from him, when he comes to know it he
shall be guilty. Or if any one utters with his lips a rash oath to do evil or to do good, any sort of
rash oath that men swear, and it is hidden from him, when he comes to know it he shall in any of
these be guilty. When a man is guilty in any of these, he shall confess the sin he has
committed, and he shall bring his guilt offering to the LORD for the sin which he has committed,
a female from the flock, a lamb or a goat, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make
atonement for him for his sin. But if he cannot afford a lamb, then he shall bring, as his guilt
offering to the LORD for the sin which he has committed, two turtledoves or two young pigeons,
one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. He shall bring them to the priest, who
shall offer first the one for the sin offering; he shall wring its head from its neck, but shall not
sever it, and he shall sprinkle some of the blood of the sin offering on the side of the altar, while
the rest of the blood shall be drained out at the base of the altar; it is a sin offering. Then he shall
offer the second for a burnt offering according to the ordinance; and the priest shall make
atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven. But if he cannot
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the priest shall take a handful of it as its memorial portion and burn this on the altar, UPON THE
OFFERINGS BY FIRE (eshshe) TO THE LORD; it is a sin offering.” Leviticus 5:1-12 RSV
The context makes it clear that flour was only given in cases where the individuals were too poor to offer
animal or bird sacrifices, since the preferred method of procuring atonement for any guilt that one had
incurred was to sacrifice a lamb. And, as the context itself shows, the reason why the flour was an acceptable
substitution for blood is because the priest would then add it to/upon the sacrifices, which were being burnt
upon the altar as an offering to the LORD.
With that said, let us see how some of the Jewish translations render v. 12:
“He shall bring it to the priest, and the priest shall scoop up three fingers full as a memorial portion.
He shall burn [this portion] as a sin offering on the altar along with God’s [other] FIRE
OFFERINGS.” Aryeh Kaplan (The Living Torah)
“And he shall bring it to the priest, and the priest shall take his handful of it as the memorial-part
thereof, and make it smoke on the altar, upon THE OFFERINGS OF HASHEM MADE BY FIRE; it
is a sin-offering.” Jewish Publication Society 1917 (JPS)
“He shall bring it to the priest, and the priest shall scoop out of it a handful as a token portion of it and
turn it into smoke on the altar, with THE LORD’S OFFERING BY FIRE; it is a sin offering.” Jewish
Bible: The New JPS Translation According to the Traditional Hebrew Text (NJPS)
And here are some verses that employ the word eshshe, and which give us an idea of how the Tanakh
employs this specific term:
Leviticus 4:35
“He shall remove all its choice parts, just as he removed all the choice parts of the sheep brought as a
peace offering, and burn them on the altar along with THE FIRE OFFERINGS dedicated to God. The
priest will thus make atonement for the sin the person committed and he will be forgiven.” Kaplan
“And all the fat thereof shall he take away, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of
peace-offerings; and the priest shall make them smoke on the altar, upon THE OFFERINGS OF
HASHEM MADE BY FIRE; and the priest shall make atonement for him as touching his sin that he
hath sinned, and he shall be forgiven.” JPS
“And all its fat he shall remove just as the fat of the sheep of the sacrifice of the well being is
removed; and this the priest shall turn into smoke on the altar, over THE LORD’S OFFERINGS BY
FIRE. Thus the priest shall make expiation on his behalf for the sin of which he is guilty and he shall
be forgiven.” NJPS

- An Historical Case for Christ's Leviticus 7:30

Resurrection
- Josephus and Tacitus on Christ: “With his own hands, he must bring the choice parts presented as A FIRE OFFERING to God on top
An Analysis of the [animal’s] chest . He shall wave the chest in the prescribed motions as a wave offering before
- Refuting the Lie John Invented God.” Kaplan
Sayings of Jesus
- Shabir Ally & Raymond
“His own hands shall bring THE OFFERINGS OF HASHEM MADE BY FIRE: the fat with the
Brown’s Redaction Criticism of
John breast shall he bring, that the breast may be waved for a wave-offering before HaShem.” JPS
- Answering Muslims: Is Jesus a
Son Among Tons? “his own hands shall present THE LORD’S OFFERINGS BY FIRE. He shall present the fat with the
- Refuting Bart Ehrman’s breast, the breast to be elevated as an elevation offering before the LORD;” NJPS
“Passion Contradictions”
Muslims Parrot Leviticus 10:15
- How Salvation Works: Plain
and Simple “The hind leg for the elevated gift, and the chest for the wave offering, shall be brought on top of the
- Catholic Idol Worshiper's Big
choice parts designated as THE FIRE OFFERING. [It is all] to be waved in the prescribed motions of
Justification Lie
the wave offering. [The leg and chest] are meant to be a portion for you and your descendants for all
- Jesus Sent for Jews Only?:
Answering Muslims time, as God commanded.'” Kaplan
- Old Testament Genocide?:
Answering "Atheists" “The thigh of heaving and the breast of waving shall they bring with THE OFFERINGS of the fat
- The Bible and Slavery: MADE BY FIRE, to wave it for a wave-offering before HaShem; and it shall be thine, and thy sons’
Answering "Atheists" with thee, as a due for ever; as HaShem hath commanded.” JPS
- Absurdities of Youtube Atheist
"CultofDusty" “Together with the fat of FIRE OFFERING, they must present the thigh of gift offering and the breast
- Absurdities of Youtube Atheist
of elevation offering, which are to be elevated as an elevation offering before the LORD, and which
“Thunderf00t”
are to be your due and that of your children with you for all time–as the LORD has commanded.”
- Absurdities of Youtube Atheist
"AronRa" NJPS
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- Proof Virgin Mary is not the Ark
priest who has a blemish may not approach to present God’s FIRE OFFERINGS. As long as he has a
of the Covenant
blemish, he may not approach to present his God’s food offering.” Kaplan
-Brief Explanation of Calvinism
- Jeffrey Daugherty's "Apostle
Paul Antichrist" Theory “They shall be holy unto their G-d, and not profane the name of their G-d; for THE OFFERINGS OF
Debunked HASHEM MADE BY FIRE, the bread of their G-d, they do offer; therefore they shall be holy… no
- Refutation of Heretic Jesse man of the seed of Aaron the priest, that hath a blemish, shall come nigh to offer THE OFFERINGS
Morrell's Documentary "Beyond OF HASHEM MADE BY FIRE; he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his
Augustine" part 1, 2 G-d.” JPS
- Myth of Imputed Righteousness
of Christ? Answering Heretic “They shall be holy to their God and not profane the name of their God; for they offer THE LORD’S
Jesse Morrell
OFFERING BY FIRE, the food of their God, and so must be holy… No man among the offspring of
- A Biblical Case for
Aaron the priest who has a defect shall be qualified to offer THE LORD’S OFFERING BY FIRE;
Determinism: God's sovereignty
over all (Chris Gautreau) having a defect, he shall not be qualified to offer the food of his God.” NJPS
- Defending Reformed View of
John 6 - Refuting Heretic Deuteronomy 18:1
Kerrigan Skelly
- Was Judas Once a Saved True “The Levitical priests [and] the entire tribe of Levi shall not have a territorial portion with [the rest of]
Believer? - Refuting Heretic Israel, and they shall [therefore] eat God’s FIRE OFFERINGS and [their] hereditary gifts.” Kaplan
Kerrigan Skelly
- Theory on the Origins of Papal
“The priests the Levites, even all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion nor inheritance with Israel;
Infallibility
they shall eat THE OFFERINGS OF HASHEM MADE BY FIRE, and His inheritance.” JPS
-Answers to Theological
Questions Posed by YouTube
Subscribers - part 1, 2, 3 “The levitical priests, the whole tribe of Levi, shall have no territorial portion with Israel. They shall
live only off THE LORD’S OFFERING BY FIRE as their portion,” NJPS
ARTICLES
Joshua 13:14
Islam
“Only unto the tribe of Levi he gave no inheritance; THE OFFERINGS OF HASHEM, THE G-D OF
- The Reliability of the Gospel of
ISRAEL, MADE BY FIRE are his inheritance, as He spoke unto him.” JPS
John
- Comprehensive Case Jesus
Died by Crucifixion “No hereditary portion, however, was assigned to the tribe of Levi, their portion being THE FIRE
- Are the Gospels too late and OFFERINGS OF THE LORD, THE GOD OF ISRAEL, as He spoke concerning him.” NJPS
Unreliable?
- Original Sources the Koran 1 Samuel 2:28
Stole its Stories from
- The Corruption of the Koran: “And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be My priest, to go up unto Mine altar, to burn
Evidence and New Research incense, to wear an ephod before Me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all THE
- Muhammad Taught and OFFERINGS of the children of Israel MADE BY FIRE?” JPS
Practiced Offensive Jihad
- Are Muhammad and Islam
“and I chose them from among all the tribes of Israel to be My priests–to ascend My altar, to burn
Predicted in the Bible?
- Errors in the Koran and incense, [and] to carry an ephod before Me––and assigned to your father’s house all OFFERINGS BY
Ahadith FIRE of the Israelites.” NJPS
- Evidence Muhammad was
Demon Possessed Now let’s see why all of these Jewish versions rendered eshshe as fire offerings/offerings made by fire:
- Jesus as God Before Paul
- Some Absurd and Silly NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Teachings of Muhammad
- Refuting Bart Ehrman’s
Word Origin

“Passion Contradictions”
Muslims Parrot
- Jesus Sent for Jews Only?: from esh

Answering Muslims
- 20 Reasons to Never Join Islam Definition

- Is Christianity a Religion of
Peace? AN OFFERING MADE BY FIRE

- Who Wrote the Gospels?
Internal and External Arguments NASB Translation
for Traditional Authorship
- Answering Sami Zaatari on the

fire (5), OFFERING BY FIRE (45), OFFERINGS (3), OFFERINGS BY FIRE (15).
Pharisaic Accusation that Christ
Claimed Deity
- A Case for the Deity of Christ in Brown-Driver-Briggs ‫שּׁ 
ה‬ ֶ ‫ ִא‬noun masculine Joshua 13:14 AN OFFERING MADE BY FIRE (> Wetzst
Light of Muslim Objections in DePsalmen, ed. 4, 889 derive from √ II. ‫אנשׁ‬, means to friendly relations between God & man;
- The Historical Case for Paul's compare LagBN 190) Exodus 29:18 32t.; construct ‫ ִאשֵּׁה‬Leviticus 1:9 14t.; plural construct ‫ִאשֵּׁי‬
Apostleship: And a Critique of Leviticus 4:35 15t.; suffix ‫ ִאשַּׁי‬Numbers 28:2, ‫ִשּׁי‬
֑ ָ ‫ א‬Leviticus 6:10; USED CHIEFLY OF OFFERINGS
Muslim Arguments OF ANIMALS, but also of the ‫ ִמנְחָה‬Leviticus 2:11, and of the sacred bread and frankincense Leviticus
- Muhammad's Condition in 24:7,9 which was placed on the table as a memorial, and finally went to the priests. The word is used
Light of the Biblical Description in Deuteronomy 18:1; Joshua 13:14 (D) 1 Samuel 2:28; elsewhere in P Leviticus 6:10; Leviticus
of Demonic Possession
10:15; Leviticus 22:22; Numbers 28:2,3, especially in phrases ‫ ִאשֵּׁי יהוה‬Leviticus 2:3 11t., ‫ִאשֵּׁה ֵרי ַח נִיח ֹ ַח‬
- Christ’s Deity in Light of not
‫ ליהוה‬Leviticus 1:9 14t., ‫ ריח ניחח אשׁה ליהוה‬Exodus 29:18 6t., ‫ אשׁה ליהוה ריח ניחח‬Leviticus 23:13, ‫אשׁה‬
Knowing the Day & Hour of His
Return ‫ לריח ניחח‬Leviticus 3:16; Numbers 18:17, ‫ אשׁה )הוא( ליהוה‬Exodus 29:25; Leviticus 2:16; ‫ִאשֶּׁה ליהוה‬
- Daniel 7:13-14 and Christ’s accusative after verbs of offering Exodus 30:20 14t., ‫ ִאשֶּׁה עֹלָה ליהוה‬Numbers 28:19, ‫ק ְָרבָּן ִאשֶּׁהליהוה‬
Deity: Answering Ibn Anwar’s Leviticus 22:27; Numbers 15:25.

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offering, sacrifice, made by fire
- Muslim Misuse of Hebrews 5:7:
Does This Verse Teach Jesus
Never Died? The same as ‘eshshah, but used in a liturgical sense; PROPERLY, A BURNT-OFFERING, BUT
- Ibn Anwar’s False Charge of OCCASIONALLY OF ANY SACRIFICE — (OFFERING, SACRIFICE), (made) by fire.
Anachronistic Error: An
Exegetical Examination of Mark see HEBREW ‘eshshah (Bible Hub; capital emphasis ours)
2:26
- Ibn Anwar’s False Charge of It is now beginning to make sense. It was the animal sacrifices that made the flour efficacious, NOT THE
Anachronistic Error: An FLOUR ITSELF. This is further confirmed by the fact that there isn’t a single verse that says flour makes
Exegetical Examination of Mark atonement in and of itself, apart from its being added to the animal sacrifices on the altar.
2:26, Part 2
- Jesus as Divine Judge: A
We now turn our focus to the next verse used to undermine the claim of Hebrews.
Response to the Muhammedan
Site “Do Not Say Trinity”
- Bart Ehrman: A Hero For EXODUS 30:15
Islam?
- Is Asking “Where did Jesus say, Here also is the immediate context of v. 15:
‘I am God’” a Good Argument?
- Revisiting “Where Did Jesus “God spoke to Moses saying: When you take a census of the Israelites to determine their numbers,
Say ‘I am God’" A Response to each one shall be counted by giving an atonement offering for his life. In this manner, they will not be
the Muhammedan Site “Do Not
stricken by the plague when they are counted. Everyone included in the census must give a half
Say Trinity"
shekel. This shall be by the sanctuary standard, where a shekel is 20 gerahs. It is half of such a shekel
- Contra Paul Williams on the
Death Penalty for Apostasy & that must be given as an offering to God. Every man over 20 years old shall be included in this census
Christianity and give this offering to God. The rich may not give more, and the poor may not give less than this
- Heaven vs. Jannah: Assessing half shekel. It is an offering to God to atone for your lives. You will take this atonement money from
the Dilemma the Israelites AND USE IT FOR THE COMMUNION TENT. It will thus be A REMEMBRANCE
- Does Muhammad Pass the 1 FOR THE ISRAELITES BEFORE GOD to atone for your lives.” Exodus 30:11-16 Aryeh Kaplan
John 4 Prophethood Test?
- Historical and Biblical Basis Now compare this with how the following Jewish versions translate v. 16:
for the Trinity
- Five Reasons Why Jesus is Not
“And thou shalt take the atonement money from the children of Israel, AND SHALT APPOINT IT
Merely a Prophet
FOR THE SERVICE OF THE TENT OF MEETING, that it may be A MEMORIAL FOR THE
- Answering “Jesus isn’t God
because God doesn’t change” CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BEFORE HASHEM, to make atonement for your souls.” Exodus 30:16 JPS

Catholicism “And thou shalt take the atonement money from the children of Israel, AND SHALT APPOINT IT
FOR THE SERVICE OF THE TENT OF MEETING, that it may be A MEMORIAL FOR THE
- The Assumption of Mary is CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BEFORE HASHEM, to make atonement for your souls.” NJPS
Unbiblical and Ahistorical
- Did Roman Catholicism Give The context highlights the reason why God accepted half a shekel for atonement. The money would be used
Protestants the Bible?
to construct the tent of meeting, which would be the place where the priests would offer up animal sacrifices
- Are Roman Catholics Saved?
for the forgiveness of sins.
- Refutation of Papal Infallibility
- Biblical Evidence Against Peter
being Pope This once again shows that, much like the flour, the only reason why God accepted money in the place of
- Does Matthew 16 Teach Peter blood is because of its connection to the animal sacrifices that would be offered in the tent of meeting, which
was the Pope? the money would be used to construct.
- Do John 21:15-17 and Luke
22:31-32 prove Peter was Pope? In other words, it is the sacrifices that once again made the money efficacious and acceptable to God, since
- Biblical Evidence for Sola God would remember Israel’s monetary offering that went to make the tent of meeting so that animal
Scriptura sacrifices could be made for the forgiveness of their sins.
- Refuting Rome's Biblical Case
for Extrabiblical Tradition
Therefore, the book of Hebrews is absolutely correct since neither OT text contradicts its assertion that blood
- The Early Church Fathers
Taught Sola Scriptura is necessary to obtain forgiveness when one correctly interprets these passages.
- The Bible does not teach Mary's
Immaculate Conception For those interested, here is the link to the translations of both Kaplan and JPS 1917.
- Mary is not the Ark and
Tabernacle
Posted by Keith Thompson at 4:07 PM
- The Early Church did not
Believe Rome’s Doctrine of the
Immaculate Conception of Mary
No comments:
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Mediatrix of all Graces, and
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