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Christian Walters - host of Money, Banking, and Trusts by Moving Titles in Commerce.
NTT - New Trust Technology Audio Part B 11-07-09

Myra - Can you explain the 3 places we sign for an A4V? CW For an electric bill with a coupon on the
bottom do an A4V on the top portion, or main bill part. On the voucher on the bottom sign like you do on a
check on the lower right hand side. Sign as the Authorized Representative (AR). You don't want to close the
account. On the top put Returned for Value and Returned for payment on account for such, and such. What
would we sign on that? CW You are going to put the charge back on there, which would be the Strawman
account number. Then sign as the Grantor on that. On the coupon part as the AR or the Trustee. Flip it over
and endorse it like you would a check and put By Trustee and the signature plus the EIN. That party has to
have access to the funds because the last signer on the back of the check has liability and he has to be able to
have access to the funds to pay that liability. You sign 4 times. On the top A4V part you list the Strawman's
ALL CAP name, which is the signature on the account of the Strawman. Then sign your name By Grantor.
Then sign on the lower part and then the back for 4 times. Your ALL CAP name is a signature because the
UCC says any mark is a signature. The charge back is the SS#/bond number on back of the SS card. As long
as you have the SS# I don't care how many bonds you have on that thing. Take out whatever you want.

5:20 Dawn - You talked about the two signatures under seal once we do the commercial affidavit and I get
them into a commercial lien to acquiescence. I did a UCC1 and then an Active Notice under seal in the
county and attached them to the actual documents and that becomes a security instrument. What is the best
way to go about monetizing that? CW You have created the negotiable instrument but I would not call it
negotiating. It's all private banking, which is the trust really. Dawn - Are you calling a trust a contract? CW
There can be colorful contracts attached to a trust.

8:30 Caller - What do you do for a criminal charge? CW On an electric bill you have a coupon on the
bottom, but if you don't have one your coupon becomes your money order that you make, like on the
electric bill. You are creating a money order that is like a voucher attachment on the bottom of a bill. You
create the form since they didn't give you one. It should be an additional document so it has a face on it
rather than doing it on the back of the charge. Make it as an attachment with a reference so the two of them
reference each other. Caller - You know the court is never going to give you a value on a criminal case so
what would you use? CW The banks endorse them in blank. You could put a blank amount and tell them to
fill it in and let you know what it is afterwards. You have to realize you are making a trust deposit into the
court, which means whatever you put in you must get exactly that amount back out in kind. If there is any
alterations to that note there has been a breach of trust. If there has been any endorsements or fill in the
amounts it's a breach of trust. If I asked for it back without converting it then I should get it back without
conversion, without any marks. In the Restatement of Trusts, section 342, Direction to Convert, it says,
although by the terms of the contract the Trustee is directed or authorized to convert trust property on the
termination of the trust. The Beneficiary, if not under any incapacity, can require the Trustee to transfer the
trust property to him without converting it. Isn't that what they do with a mortgage closing? They transfer it
to the Title Co. The bank asks for them to transfer the trust property without converting it. That is what the
bank does. You can use that to your advantage.

25:00 For criminal indictments - The NTT is sitting on top of the platform of Moving Titles in Commerce.
Use a hybrid of the two for this. 1. Do an A4V. 2. Do a R4V along with a payment, creating a record of the
payment; 3. Go into a DIB hearing presenting those records. Do it under a trust application because the
payment is actually going to be the deposit in trust. Then it comes down to merging the trust titles into one
entity. Now they MUST make the transfer, the distribution of the funds. That is a quick overview. Pull this
debtor/creditor 3 step process up into trust. I'm thinking 100% trust from here on in. The more I study this
trust stuff the more I see this is the way we need to be going. This is the 800 lb. gorilla. The fact that we
don't express the trust allows them to construe it and put that gorilla suit on and pin us. The only reason we
are failing is because we don't understand trust basics.
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27:15 Dawn - Where can we look for a point reference until we get into the workshop with you? CW Join
me on Neomorpheus is one way. There are some downloads already on TheRealPublicRadio.net.

28:00 Doug - On your signature are you using your middle initial or spelling it out fully? CW Anything you
want your signature to be is what it is. Just make sure you put a qualifier with it. Put By Grantor and your
name. Doug - Do you put any kind of punctuation in there, like a colon or a dash? CW If you want to. It's
not necessary. The qualifier puts them on notice that there is a trust someplace and they need to be looking
in and finding out more about it. That shows you know who you are.

34:50 Can you go back and express a trust even though they have run over you on it so far? Yes, go back
and say it was misconstrued. It was fraud and there are no statutes of limitations on fraud.

35:40 A trust with regard to the IRS…they won't give information out to anyone but the beneficiary. CW
That sounds right to me. Where do you prove that to the IRS? CW How was the beneficiary trust created?
Your signature authorized it and granted the existence of the trust account. The SS5 application was for the
SS number account. The signature that you signed with - was it qualified or unqualified? Unqualified at that
time. So the trust was formed and you didn't say anything as the Trustee and the trust has gone dead
basically and they are construing the trust and operating the trust without you, basically. You need to go
back in and straighten all that mess up by making another reapplication and give the qualified signature on
the application.

Caller - When I went in to file for SS [born before 1933] I brought a qualified signature on the application
and they told me that was the wrong form. They gave me another and I signed it with a qualified signature
and asked for a copy. They said they couldn't give me a copy because there is something on there I am not
supposed to know. CW Then do a FOIA to find out what it is you aren't supposed to know. Caller - I wrote
SS and they responded that I was asking an IRS question. They said they sent it to the IRS. RW - Remember
the rule of forms - I keep the originals. I make copies to give to them. You need to reapply for another one
and keep the original. Keep the originals except for Promissory Notes, payments and such.

42:30 Putting "without recourse" or "all rights reserved" above your signature is under UCC debtor/creditor
and not Grantor, Trustee, or Beneficiary. Find out what this application was that they gave you. Caller -
Suppose someone hasn't been paying any taxes, is that breaching a trust somehow? The Beneficiary gets the
distribution, or trust property. The Trustee is being construed as the debtor because he didn't make the
payment, that is taxes. To be the Beneficiary would you have to pay the taxes? CW No, I am supposed to
receive the income as a Beneficiary. As a Trustee I am supposed to make payments. They pay taxes. Caller -
So I don't want to be the Trustee? CW In some situations you may want to act as Trustee but in others you
might to act as Grantor. Maybe in this one it might be better to be Grantor or Beneficiary. Caller - So you
just declare that?
46:40 CW Yes, as long as I have the 4 elements and 1 method of formation, or can prove that it has been
done [SS5 Application]. That is proof you are the Grantor because you signed called that number up into
existence, that trust account, per your authorized signature as Grantor. Then sign the Beneficiary card as
Beneficiary and signature and make copies of that and send them copies of what you did, your signature,
and now you've notified them according to due process. Now you have the proof of the original that you are
the Grantor and the Beneficiary on that SS strawman trust account. Send copies to the SS Administration.
Copies should also go to the IRS … the more parties you notify that have contact with the SS account the
better. Notify all those entities of the expression of the trust. The US Treasury and the IRS is the same
entity, the right hand and left hand. Notify the IMF also. Those are different from the United States.

The workshop will be done in a call such as this and you will be working on preparing your own documents.

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One of the things you mentioned is people registering their Notes. That has been a problem in the past and
people are still having. If you haven't registered it on a UCC1 then assigned it to them you don't have proof
of anything. CW Right, you are not the Beneficiary or the Grantor. You just created a negotiable instrument
and gifted it to them. Then you abandoned it, didn't make any claims or restrictions on it or told them what
to do with it. The fact of whether they have to do anything with it is determined by the fact of whether or not
you expressed the trust. It's important that no parties to the trust need to know or understand they are
forming a trust. Neither Grantor, Trustee, or Beneficiary. That does not negate the trust. Then he who claims
trust must prove trust. One needs to be able to prove the expression of the trust, or by the expression of the
trust the elements of the trust. Once the burden of proof shifts, to them to rebut that with evidence … as long
as you make a prima facie case, which is nothing more than by Affidavit stating that a trust exists [NOI] and
the elements of the trust are there specifically, you name the parties, then it is up to them to rebut - that it
doesn't exist with evidence.

Caller - I took it a step further in that I have a trust separate from the straw party. When you go to the bank
they want to see your trust. You only show them the first 3 pages with the EIN. You make sure that debit
card has the trust name first and you as the manager. Remember, everything that goes into the trust is not
yours and don't say it is yours. Say you are the manager of the trust and it was put into the trust, you don't
own it. If you do the opposite they have got you for fraud and you are going to jail.

54:45 Merol - I accepted a decommission as a notary because the state laws says a notary can't issue
negotiable instruments, which I was doing in a court case. I accepted the decommission rather than fight it.
You should not use the same notary every time because they will catch up with them eventually. You can
have an acceptable commercial affidavit of probable cause using only 3 witnesses instead of a notary. Have
them sign in anything other than black ink and seal it with a thumbprint. You then get a notary to witness
everyone that came to that bank to sign. When you do that make 5 originals. Send 2 by Registered mail to
somebody that you would tell never to open because the court will say I can't have a copy. The notary laws
says it must be a raised seal, but notaries that came from the Mortgage Industry just rubber stamp things.
There is a US Supreme court case that states that a notary is a Magistrate in Compton v. State of Alabama in
1909.

1:00:15 Caller - I know why people are having issues at the end once their documents are notarized and the
protest is submitted to the court you have what is essentially a new contract. People try to go to court to
enforce all of this. They will put in a show cause order against that contract asking why is the party not
doing their obligations to the contract? You need to look up the definitions of the words in law. The word
decree is something issued by the court. An order is issued by the judge. Court is the people involved, not
the judge. The judge is not the court, the people are the court. A decree is issued by the court. The Show
Cause order only reverts back to a previously issued decree or order. When you do the private remedy, or
Notary Protest, and you go to court you have to go from the private side to the public side. There is a
document for that and you see it in marriage and divorce law. Nobody uses it in this contract law. I think
that is where we have made our error. It's called a Nisi Decree. It comes from the court and converts the
private settlement into the public. Since it is interim it doesn't become absolute until the other party fails to
show cause why they shouldn't have to follow the decree. If they don't show cause why the don't have to
follow the decree then it becomes absolute. This means it is not conditional, it is completely unconditional
and it stands. If they fail to follow that decree you can put in a Show Cause order, not against the contract
developed by the Notorial Protest, but against the decree that the court, you, demanded and became absolute
and thereby then an order. If at that point they don't follow it they are in contempt of not only what you said
in the nisi decree, but they are also in contempt of court. You have them doubly then.
decree nisi (nI-sI). A court's decree that will become absolute unless the adversely affected party shows the court, within a specified time, why it should be set aside. -- Also
termed nisi decree; order nisi; rule nisi. See NISI.

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decree, n. 1. Traditionally, a judicial decision in a court of equity, admiralty, divorce, or probate -- similar to a judgment of a court of law <the judge's decree in favor of the
will's beneficiary>. 2. A court's final judgment. 3. Any court order, but esp. one in a matrimonial case <divorce decree>. See JUDGMENT; ORDER (2); DECISION. [Cases:
Divorce 152. C.J.S. Divorce §§ 222, 230-234.]

"The chief differences between decrees in equity and judgments at common law are as follows: The former are pronounced by courts of equity; the latter, by courts of law.
The former result from an investigation and determination of the rights of the parties by the means provided and according to the principles recognized in equity
jurisprudence; the latter result from an investigation and determination made by the more limited means and more inflexible rules of the common law. The former may be
adjusted to all the varieties of interest and of circumstance, and may contain such directions as are needed to carry them into effect, both in letter and in spirit; the latter are in
an invariable form, general in terms, and absolute for plaintiff or defendant. And the former often enforce rights not recognized by the common law .... The term 'judgment' is
frequently used in a broad sense to include decrees in equity." 1 A.C. Freeman, A Treatise of the Law of Judgments § 12, at 23-24 (Edward W. Tuttle ed., 5th ed. 1925).

consent decree. A court decree that all parties agree to. -- Also termed consent order. [Cases: Federal Civil Procedure 2397; Judgment 87. C.J.S. Judgments § 186.]

Cite as: BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY 440 (8th ed. 2004)

The problem I see with the whole Notary Protest is that it is in the private. The court sees it because the
notary is an officer of the court, but it is a private settlement. You have to bring it over into the public and
that is the exact purpose of a nisi decree. We are about to use it in a big case to convert it from the private to
the public to get the court to issue orders.

Another caller - In a private case, 3 notaries went in and overrode the court stenographer, even though the
court had a stenographer in there, overrode the clerk of court stenographer and the judges ruling. It was
entered before, the same day, and it was overruled. The judge had no standing.

1:06:00 Merol - A lot of people are having trouble getting things filed, either at the county level or the state
level. Once you have your decree or affidavit of probable cause, your commercial affidavit, you attach that
to a UCC filing. Have a notary enter that in … anything that has been electronically filed has to be entered
in and failure to enter it even if the judge says he will overrule that or not allow that as evidence, they have
now just tampered with evidence, which is a Federal offense. You can go to the pretender (judge) right in
the court room and say, "Excuse me, we need to move for a postponement while I go to this other court
room and file these criminal charges."

1:07:20 Everything was entered in documentation through postal power … Rules for civil procedure,
keeping in mind there are no state rules, all court rules fall under Federal rules for civil procedure. My proof
of that is the Department of Transportation. All states receive Federal funding through the DOT and
therefore all courts fall under Federal rules. CW All these courts are really trust courts, yet we are not
treating them as trust courts. Merol - Once you get something filed electronically it is prima facie evidence,
electronic media, that now can not be tampered with or removed. Once it has been done by your Trustee, the
judge or the other attorney, to remove that they are in direct violation of 18 USC and 28 USC. They can be
charged criminally, however, I am not going to charge my brothers criminally. I am going to file lis pendens
against you. I have a good guy up in Canada to get your assets. I don't like lis pendens because the UCC
takes a little bit longer. Once you have their SS# and their assets trust me, when you have all of that at the
same time all of those so-called creditors are going to call in their marks. These are the Maritime Liens. I
have done them successfully. I order to start my smokescreen and do the lis pendens and have to notify you
by your actions, once you do the lis pendens the creditors instantly move in to claim their markers. They
want those credit card bills paid in full. They want that mortgage paid in full. I am not going to be nice. My
lis pendens is going to be for $50M also.

lis pendens (lis pen-d nz). [Latin] 1. A pending lawsuit. 2. The jurisdiction, power, or control acquired by a court over property while a legal action is pending. 3. A notice,
recorded in the chain of title to real property, required or permitted in some jurisdictions to warn all persons that certain property is the subject matter of litigation, and that
any interests acquired during the pendency of the suit are subject to its outcome. -- Also termed (in sense 3) notice of lis pendens; notice of pendency. Cf. PENDENTE LITE.
[Cases: Lis Pendens 1, 12.1. C.J.S. Lis Pendens §§ 2-7.]

Cite as: BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY 950 (8th ed. 2004)

Caller - Once you have done your lis pendens you have also done your Notice of Non-response and
recorded your Maritime Lien. Now, all of a sudden, they are paying attention because of the damage and the
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multiplier you have against them. But for the common people that are not Secured Party Creditors, just
simply trying to hang onto their houses, you can not perform fast enough. I understand Maritime Lien.

1:11:05 Merol - Understand what I'm saying. Forget Secured Party Creditor. 99% of people who have a
UCC filing and claim they are a SPC don't have a clue. So, you have to hold their feet to the fire with the
language that they understand. I've been in this since 1999. I asked so-called gurus once magic question.
You claim you are a SPC, what are you secure in and what is your proof? All of them will say that UCC
filing, but I am looking for one other document that goes with their UCC filing and 90% of everyone I talk
to doesn't have that document. It is not the Security Agreement. The Hold Harmless Agreement is not it.

1:14:00 Merol (Liar, liar) - Let's say you are doing your UCC Financing Statement, and when it comes back
to you, I am against filing them electronically over the internet … When yo do your UCC filing and any and
all documentation that you want to put in with that UCC filing you must put a document with it that clearly
states, "I request all original documents back." If you don't you get photocopies. Then you get the ones back
that is taking your upper and lower case and putting it into the Strawman entity.

Caller - Let's say you get your original copies back. It's going to come down to, like Jack Smith says, the
oral exam. Merol - It's not the oral exam. It's you knowing who you are. The UCC filing is not a lien. It is a
Notice of Lien. Therefore, what you are claiming you are putting a lien on with your so-called Security
Agreement or copyright agreement … it must be on a document called Claim of Lien.

Colon - I am affiliated with Brandon Adam's CIC group. I do his Tuesday call. I would appreciate Merol
coming back to our call and discussing Maritime Liens with me. I am trying to study up on that right now.
As far as I know I have not heard Brandon or other in CIC discuss your technology before and I would like
to turn my colleagues onto this.

Eric - The Notice of Lien that he is referring to has to be followed up with a Claim of Lien. If not you don't
have anything. Merol - you have to study your state laws so you don't get your notaries in trouble. A
Notorial Protest, if you read the law, can only be done "by a bank in regards to a negotiable instrument." Let
me qualify that. If you have a notary that is taking your remedy from A-Z the notary can do a Notorial
Protest, however, rather than use Notorial Protest, I would preferable tell people to use a Certificate of
Protest and Non-response. That way the notary does not get into trouble. For instance, in New Hampshire, if
a notary does a Notorial Protest they go to jail!

1:19:55 CW Unless they can prove that the statutes say it is other instruments and they can't prove other
instruments are anything you put your signature to … anything yo put your signature on is turned into a
negotiable instrument or a non-negotiable instrument. They don't know how to defend that. Caller - In
Notary Presentment all they are doing is notifying and understanding exactly what you are putting in your
envelope and mailing off. They can not be held in contempt for anything. CW Yes, they are creating the
notice certification of the act that they put something in the envelope. Merol - When you keep your notary
harmless, even by putting it on your paperwork that the notary has nothing to do with the preparation of any
of these documents [which is illegal for them to do] and is only acting as a third party witness. When I did a
lien on my former employers years ago they tried to attack my notary by saying the notary filled illegal
documents. I was able to defend my notary. I also train my notaries so they don't have any fear. The average
notary, when they get the letter from attorney writing to the SOS, CCing them that they are engaging in
some type of piracy or treasonous act or paper terrorism … that is the other thing you want to put on your
paperwork, that it does not constitute paper terrorism, because if they come after you on that indictment they
can hold you for as long as they want before they charge you. It has been done to people before. Once your
notaries understand when they get those letters from the pretenders they have to know how to respond back
to the SOS or Deputy SOS. You do it within that same 72 hour clock timeframe and you send it back to
them the same way you do to anybody else - Registered.
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1:23:00 Caller - In California look under the California Government Code 8205. That is the charge that
allows the CA notary to do everything. Everyone else can use it as a Judicial Notice if they have to. Merol -
That brings up another issue where someone said they brought something into the court. When you use a
notary for your A4V process you never ever go into a court to now get them to write the order. The notary
has already done the order. The only thing that you need to do, I tell people to do this in Small Claims Court
because that is your actual court for everything, don't put the monetary value on it. All you want is a
Declaratory Judgement. That is your Administrative process. If you use 3 notaries, or even 5 notaries, it has
already been adjudicated. Now you are telling the courts to declare it. When you ask a judge to make an
order you are putting in a complaint, a petition and not a motion, to get the judge to say what you did was
right and now you are asking the judge to counter the order of another judge they instantly know you don't
know what you are doing and they will dismiss it. If you take it into Small Claims Court to make no more
than a declaratory judgement. That is how the Notorial Protest is done properly.

1:25:30 Caller - Would you do that by letter of rogatory in private or a DIB hearing? Merol - I would say do
both. You can still pay the filing fee and tell the clerk that you want it to be filed. You want to attach the
letter rogatory to it and you are paying the filing fee. You do not want a docket number. They will think this
is strange. Tell them for procedural process this is private. It doesn't go to any judge. edtint01 on skype to
only discuss notary processes. Use Pambinos Notary Handbook. notarypubliclaw.com

1:30:20 Caller - When do you file a UCC to make a trust, at any time? CW Yes, as long as you have
property to transfer. You can do it by declaration or transfer. On a mortgage the note is already transferred.
You just have never registered it or claimed it, even if you had a closing 5 years ago. Caller - You also
mentioned firing the Trustee and later assigning someone with a UCC3. Can you clarify exactly what those
two are? CW I am firing the Trustee and going to appoint a new Trustee by appointment. Once the new
Trustee has been appointed then I'm going to give him trust property by assignment. I am going to transfer
on a UCC3 trust property to him. At that moment he becomes the Trustee and his duties go back to the
formation of the trust, which can be prior. Let's say the actual physical mailing of the note to the bank was
completed 5 years ago. I just never did a recordation of a transfer. The moment I record the transfer it goes
all the way back to when the beginning was. A physical transfer does not have to take place on a transfer.
Once I do an assignment and notification, even though there is no physical possession, they have transfer of
the legal title. At that moment the trust forms.

Caller - Another reason you can do that is because they never registered it either. It is out there for open
season. You can go in there and claim it. CW It is floating on a sea of commerce. Nobody claimed it so it is
abandoned. Dawn - Christian, when you are doing the Debt Validation on that and the notary process to go
along with it, you have to issue that Notary Protest within 30 days of the dishonor? CW From 30 days of the
non-response. Merol - It goes by your civil rules. Your first Constitutional notice is 30 days. After that all
courts have a 15 day notice. CW That is if you are going under that law form. UCC requires 14 days on a
Validation of Debt according to UCC 9-210. UCC 3-505 says 30 days on a first notice. Then it comes down
to the 14 day rule. Merol - You write them after the initial 30 days that they now have 15 days in which to
respond or the notary will issue such and such. Safeguard your notaries by putting on there your paperwork
is not intended to bring stress or harm and that it does not constitute paper terrorism and that the notary is
only acting as a third party witness. Anything more than 72 hours is gratuitous. More discussion on time
periods …

Merol - On of the things that I have learned is that anything you put into court that has anything to do with
the UCC … if your language is not the language of the courts you are instantly looked at as a Patriot, a nut
job, and they will not read your paperwork. I will appoint the attorney that is coming after me my Power of
Attorney because he can't represent two parties. I will appoint that judge as a Trustee. I will take that Form
56, fill it out, walk down to my local IRS office with my 3 copies, have them stamp each one and when I
appoint that judge or that opposing attorney and/or heirs that Form 56 goes right along with it. CW It comes
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down to the law venue again. If you are coming in with your UCC you have to notify the court you are
using that law form in order to get it introduced into court.

1:40:15 What is the word on Greg? Dawn - He thinks he will be out pretty soon. Everything is going the
way he is planning it.

1:41:15 Caller - Is there any rush of time after you've done a Non-response and Default on the matter? CW
No, as long as you do it within the 30 day time limit of issuing the NR. That is UCC 3-305. If you don't it
will time out and you will have to do it over again. If you want to fire the Trustee is that on a time limit?
CW Not unless you are doing another Administrative process of them.

Dawn - Should you put an SEC tracer flag on the Default or Dishonor? CW It depends on what you are
going to do with the Dishonor. The Dishonor turns it into the money. The certificate is the money once you
put the True Bill with it and value the Dishonor. Dawn - So the Certificate of Protest is the money and you
get the two signatures under seal and we should do it on bond paper from the onset? CW Yes, the Certificate
goes on bond paper. Do you have to make an Apostille on that? CW I would medallion notice it. Merol - I
would go one step further on bond paper. I would get the void security where if they try to copy it and send
it back to you it would be a voided copy. Get certified copies and keep the original if not.

Merol - On SPC … where you have your Security Agreement … in my opinion no one needs to do a UCC
filing. It is a negative and a plus. If you do go that route, take your documentation, whoever's you are using -
Tim Turner's, Sam Kennedy's, Sam Davis, take it for your "property". It must be done on a document that
you must name, and put on bond paper in my opinion, Claim of Lien. Without it you haven't claimed
anything. To be a SPC you must do your due diligence to understand what that means. Even though you
may do a Claim of Lien, if the government was to pay me to be nasty I would love to be in any court room
where somebody comes in with a UCC filing claiming to be a SPC and saying if you use my unauthorized
name it is going to cost you $1.5M I would blow you out the court room in the first 10 minutes. Look up in
the UCC to find out what it means to be a Secured Party. Find out what it means to be a Creditor. Find out
what it means to be a Debtor. Do your own studies. Study UCC 3, 9, and 12. Caller - Do you have any
specific location or in law or directive where they say the Birth Certificate has a value of $650K in 1923
dollars in gold and silver at 6% interest …

Merol - Let me put it to you this way, the old statement is that a man is worth his weight in gold. So,
whatever the value is that your country on the date, year, and time that you were born is by your weight
times the number of years that you are using it. Remember, there is no money. Money can not be redefined.
It is gold and silver. No state or government shall coin or mint money thereof…so everything we are dealing
with is debt instruments. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't to free the slaves. It was to enslave us
ALL! It was nothing more than the transfer of titles. They have now taken everybody's titles, i.e. when they
started getting people to record their birth certificates, perfect example of that is the religious group in TX
where they tried to take all the kids. Why do you think they had to give them all back? They have no birth
certificates registered with the state so they are not property of the state and the court said they can't do a
thing with them so send them back. When you claim your birth certificate on your UCC process … I have a
problem with A4V. I will conditionally A4V because I am always going to counter your offer. When you
accept the value thereof, accept for value and return the same, that means I accept the liability and I return
the liability back to you. Now, when I question you in court, "What do you actually mean by that? BTW,
excuse us Mr. Jones. We are going to move you over to another court room right now." When they move
you over to that other courtroom that is when they ask you that question. "What is this where you put on my
court documents Accepted for Value and Returned for same? Can you qualify that?" The minute you
hesitate they will say, "Thank you, let's take it over to the other courtroom." Now they are going to slam
dunk you because you don't know what you are doing. You can't qualify your SPC A4V.

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When I conditionally accept for value I am going to write down my conditions. I'm going to spell it out for
you. I am going to do it in affidavit form and demand a response back with specificity. Don't give me any
blanket answers, because if you do, depending on the question, then it may be that you agree to it being yes
or you agree to it being no. When you go into court there is no controversy. You agree with your adversary
right away, whatever they say you say, "Yes, you are right, but right now I am here to settle the matter. I
have a negotiable instrument, which has been registered. Clerk of the court would you please hand this to
the judge? Judge, you are hereby appointed my Trustee, settle and close the matter." You have to be able to
stand there with your kahonas in your hand, knowing you have a big pair of them because they are going to
test you. 90% of these gurus are not teaching the people that, nor will I teach you that, but I'm going to point
you to where to find it.

Dawn - where does the A4V come from initially? Merol - It deals with banking law. That is why you have
to get a book on banker's law. Get you a book on contract law. A Columbia University professor, Douglas
Whaley, has a book you need to get. State it, "I will accept your offer and counter your offer …" When you
accept liability, A4V, the acceptance means you accept the liability. Once you accept you can't argue
anything. Caller - Sometimes we put Exempt from Levy under our acceptance. Merol - How can you prove
you are exempt? Already I got you! Dawn - Maybe that is where the qualifying signature comes in? Merol -
yes, I am learning this process so that may be. I don't know this man and am learning what he is teaching.
The problem is nobody wants to do their own work. I started looking and finding the solutions. The solution
is always given to you on that first document. The only thing you have to do is read it backwards. Read it
from the back to the front. Read all of UCC 3 and 9 and 12.

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