Podcast 073 - �The Resacularization of the World� (Part 1)

Guest speakers:
Terence McKenna, Rlph Abrham, and Rert Sheldrake

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03:48 Ralph Abraha
"So eventually the 6s happened, andprobaly my first perience tha I would now
identify as a real religious x]perience was the epriece of LD."

07:17 Ralph:
"What�s gone wrong in the world now is a loss f conection to the sacred within and
without organized religion."

13:30 Ralph:
"The revasculariztion of music, I think, s veryimportant. If I had to point to a
single factor that I thought was destroyng society fater than any other I think it
would be evil music.

18:28 Ralph:
"The value of getting the true partership into the church would mean that we then
wouldn�t have to replace te church just beause it had been on the wrong track for
5,000 years."

18:48 Terence McKenna:

"But isn�t this a little like trying to reform the Soviet Union and keeping the
Communist Party around? I think the momentum of these institutions makes them hard
to reform."

23:27 Rupert Sheldrake:

"I think the most important aspect of this process really, because I agree with
Terence about the archaic revival, is to find behind the existing forms and
existing festivals the pre-Christian roots, which in all cases are the ones that
feed the timing of the particular festivals and the particular locations of the
sacred places, and which ground the new religion in the old."

32:39 Terence:
"In America attendance at church is much higher, and it convulses the body politic
because, unable to fulfill it�s sacral function, the church has become simply a
lobbying force for fundamentalist social policy. . . . I think we should level
[churches] to the ground and start over."

35:13 Rupert:
"There is little way in which the political life in America could be sacrelized,
since by definition it�s secular."

Podcast 074 - �The Resacularization of the World� (Part 2)

Guest speakers:
Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake

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07:18 Rupert Sheldrake:
�If there were to be a true Mother Earth religion develop, it would obviously have
priestesses rather than priests because its central figure was a goddess. It would
be relating human life to the Earth, first and foremost . . . it wouldn�t have much
emphasis on the stars or the heavens.�

08:49 Terence McKenna:

�But if this Anima Mundi thing got going, this is not a fine tuning of Christianity
this is, at last, the overthrow of it. . . . no more this patriarchal, masculine,
dominator thing that has descended down through monotheism.�

13:36 Terence:
�Why not psychedelicize and sacrilize green politics? . . . Science and green
politics can be sacrilized through the psychedelic experience.�

14:33 Terence:
�I think that green politics, what makes it so wishy-washy, is its lack of a
forthright metaphysics. . . . A green party that used a mystical language, a
psychedelic language�would have, I think, a tremendous appeal.�

15:51 Terence:
�It has to be understood that this [using psychedelic medicines] is the way to the
Gaian mind. These things are sacraments, not metaphors for sacraments, real
sacraments.�

16:13 Terence:
�Everybody is going to try and out-green everybody else. The trick will be to tell
the weasels from everybody else.�

21:50 Terence:
�If it�s to be a psychedelicized green movement, the people who could lead this
have been training themselves for years. They just didn�t understand that that was
what they were training themselves for, but called upon to do so they could step
forward and operate in those positions.�

25:00 Ralph Abraham:

�The entire promise of the intellect has failed us if it�s necessary for the
catastrophe to actually be upon us before people will act, and yet that seems to be
the case.�

35:18 Terence:
�Well they are psychedelic experiences. The authenticity is going to come from the
thing itself. We�re not talking here about reciting mantras. This is the real
thing, you know.�

40:09 Terence:
�The only competition for that focus on the need to save the Earth is this stupid
anti-drug thing, which is the need to preserve the purity of your precious bodily
essences, or something like that. . . . It�s the issue of how we relate to the
vegetable matrix�