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March 28, 2011, 23:23 Moving wall with velocity profile #1
Tobard Hi everyone!
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I need to study a transient flow inside a closed cylinder which is starting to
Join Date: Mar 2011 rotate. It seems impossible to put a velocity profile instead of a constant
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value under rotating wall boundary conditions with Fluent. Is there another
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way to do this? Is there somebody here who already tried such a transient
simulation?
Thank you very much for your help!
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March 28, 2011, 23:44 #2
Amir Hi,
Senior Member if you try components option in wall boundary conditions, you can impose
any velocity profile by a UDF.
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March 29, 2011, 00:14 #3
Tobard Quote:
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Originally Posted by Amir
Join Date: Mar 2011 Hi,
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Thank you for your answer. I tried this but I would like to input a rotational
speed and the only velocity components that are displayed are X, Y and Z
components in m/s... Is it possible to change it in order to work in
cylindrical coordinates for example? I haven't found anything satisfactory
so far.
Thank you!
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March 29, 2011, 02:31 #4
Amir note that you can implement coordinates of surface elements. so you can
Senior Member use a trigonometric functions in your UDF to obtain Cartesian components
from rotational speed.
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March 29, 2011, 21:45 #5
Tobard Dear Amir,

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Ok, I am trying to use these UDF. Since I am not really used to this option,
Join Date: Mar 2011 it is difficult for me to understand how to implement coordinates of surface
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elements, as you said. Would it be possible to have an example of the kind
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of script you was thinking about? I haven't found anything similar in Fluent
UDF Guide.
Tobard.
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March 29, 2011, 22:11 #6
Amir Hi,
Senior Member it's something like this (as a part of UDF):
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real x[ND_ND],xf,yf,zf,theta;
F_CENTROID(x,f,t);
xf=x[0];
yf= x[1];
zf= x[2];
Amir
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theta=atan(yf/xf);
Location: Shiraz, Iran F_PROFILE(f,t,i) = R*omega*sin(theta);
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March 30, 2011, 22:50 #7
Tobard Hi,
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Following your advice and trying to understand UDF philosophy, I have
Join Date: Mar 2011 written the following function (I think I will have to do 2 different files in
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order to fill both X and Y velocity component fields in Fluent boundary
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conditions later, but it is a global base):
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#include"udf.h"
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DEFINE_ADJUST(try3,d)
{
Thread *tf;
face_t f;
real time;
time = CURRENT_TIME;
real x[ND_ND];
real xf, yf;
real omega;
omega = 2*time;
begin_f_loop(f,tf)
{
if (BOUNDARY_FACE_THREAD_P(tf))
{
F_CENTROID(x,f,time);
xf = x[0];
yf = x[1];
F_U(f,time) = -omega*yf; /* For x-component */
F_V(f,time) = omega*xf; /* For y-component */
}
}
end_f_loop(f,tf)
}
Could you please take a look at this? The purpose is to change wall
rotational velocity at each time step, and I am not sure my code is correct.
Besides when I try to interpret this with Fluent, I get these errors:
Quote:
Error: [...] line 8: parse error.

Error: [...] line 11: omega: undeclared variable
and I don't understand why!?
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March 31, 2011, 02:31 #8
Amir Hi,
Senior Member I proposed you these changes:
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#include "udf.h"
#include "math.h"
DEFINE_PROFILE(x_velocity,thread,position)
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{
face_t f;
real time = CURRENT_TIME;
real x[ND_ND],theta;
real R=1.0;
Amir real omega=2.0*time;
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begin_f_loop(f, thread)
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F_PROFILE(f, thread, position) = R*omega*sin(theta);
}
end_f_loop(f, thread)
}
I've compiled this without any error.

you're right, you need another UDF for y velocity which is similar to above.
regards,
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March 31, 2011, 03:49 #9
Tobard Thank you, it helps me much! I just would like to understand some points:
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- My study needs to change ONLY wall (boundary) velocity (and then
Join Date: Mar 2011 observe inertia and viscosity action into the fluid). Does your function
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really allow that? Using it under boundary conditions menu would then only
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apply it on boundary faces?
- Is it better to use F_PROFILE instead of F_U or F_V? I am afraid that

F_PROFILE may change both X and Y velocity components although I need
to change them one by one. (Furthermore F_U and F_V would allow me to
not use trigonometrical functions, writing u= -omega*y and v= omega*x)
- Does Fluent accept using several interpreted UDFs at the same time? Or
do I have to compile them? Thank you again, I think it will work now!
Regards,
Tobard
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March 31, 2011, 14:05 #10
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Amir Hi,
Senior Member
Quote:
- My study needs to change ONLY wall (boundary) velocity (and

then observe inertia and viscosity action into the fluid). Does your
function really allow that? Using it under boundary conditions
menu would then only apply it on boundary faces?
Amir
Join Date: May 2009 it depends on where you'll hook this UDF, if you hook that over wall
boundary, it would change wall velocities.
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- Is it better to use F_PROFILE instead of F_U or F_V? I am afraid

that F_PROFILE may change both X and Y velocity components
although I need to change them one by one. (Furthermore F_U
and F_V would allow me to not use trigonometrical functions,
writing u= -omega*y and v= omega*x)
I don't agree with you, in both cases you need to use trigonometric
functions but here, you can simplify your relations. i.e. :
R*omega*sin(theta)=R*omega*sin(atan(y/x))=y*omega
these relations are applicable to both procedures. note that using
DEFINE_PROFILE for setting boundary conditions is more conservative and
reliable than using other functions.
Quote:
- Does Fluent accept using several interpreted UDFs at the same

time? Or do I have to compile them? Thank you again, I think it
will work now!
that's one of the restrictions of interpreted UDFs. I proposed you using

compiled one.
Regards,
Amir
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Last edited by Amir; March 31, 2011 at 15:24.
April 4, 2011, 20:52 #11
Tobard Hi,
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I post this last message to thank you: my simulation is now working, using
Join Date: Mar 2011 DEFINE_PROFILE just as you said.
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A little feedback: working with direct coordinates rather than using
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trigonometrical functions avoids sign problems.
Regards,
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Last edited by Tobard; April 14, 2011 at 01:46.
April 14, 2011, 01:40 #12
Tobard Hi everybody!
New Member
I come here again because I encountered some new difficulties: I succeed
Join Date: Mar 2011 in putting a profile law making the wall of my 2D cylinder rotate.
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Now I would like to improve my model by dividing my cylinder in several
zones (adding a wall along portion of diameter, basically). The whole
assembly is not rotating as expected because "you cannot use the moving
wall condition to model problems where the wall has a motion normal to
itself. FLUENT will neglect any normal component of wall motion that you
specify using the methods below." (Fluent User Guide).
A moving reference frame would allow me to make my walls rotate. But is

it possible to hook a UDF to a moving reference frame (I see no available
field for that)? Is there another way to do it?
Thank you so much for your help!
Tobard
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April 15, 2011, 01:53 #13
Amir Hi,
Senior Member I've done such cases by implementation of dynamic mesh, in FLUENT 6.3
you can't use MRF for arbitrary motions(as you said) but it may be included
in latest versions.
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April 15, 2011, 02:12 #14
Tobard I work on Fluent 12.0.1 or 12.1 and it seems not to be better. Do you think
New Member a moving mesh could be a solution? My geometry is similar to a disk split
into to parts...
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April 15, 2011, 21:17 #15
Amir certainly, moving mesh can help you to impose normal velocity to walls. I'll
Senior Member appreciate any other ideas ...
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May 4, 2011, 01:11 #16
Tobard Dear Amir,

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Do you know where I could find samples or UDF functions close to my
Join Date: Mar 2011 problem? I really don't see how to write (and hook) a UDF making my
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walls move and it is really difficult to find any help on the Internet.
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Any concrete suggestion would be appreciated...
Thank you very much.
Tobard
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May 5, 2011, 01:52 #17
Amir Hi,
Senior Member I wrote a UDF which rotate a wall but you can change that easily; here you
are:
Quote:
#include "udf.h"
#include "stdio.h"
#include "math.h"
#define pi 3.1415
Amir
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#define amp 0.174
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{
Thread *tf = DT_THREAD(dt);
face_t f;
Node *v;
real theta,a,b;
int n;
SET_DEFORMING_THREAD_FLAG(THREAD_T0(tf));
begin_f_loop(f,tf)
{
f_node_loop(f,tf,n)
{
v=F_NODE(f,tf,n);
if (NODE_POS_NEED_UPDATE (v))
{
NODE_POS_UPDATED(v);
theta=(-1)*amp*w*cos(w*time)*dtime;
a=cos(theta)*NODE_X(v)-sin(theta)*NODE_Y(v);
b=sin(theta)*NODE_X(v)+cos(theta)*NODE_Y(v);
NODE_X(v)=a;
NODE_Y(v)=b;
}
}
}
end_f_loop(f,tf);
}
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May 6, 2011, 05:33 #18
Tobard Dear Amir,

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What a relief to receive your answer! It greatly helped me and my problem
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I sincerely thank you!
Tobard
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May 16, 2011, 21:49 #19
Tobard Dear Amir,

New Member
Sorry for coming to you again...
Join Date: Mar 2011 My simulations with Dynamic mesh give me strange results. Do you know
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how Fluent manage the transition between two time steps? The velocity is
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well defined at the boundary but seems not able to diffuse into the whole
fluid zone...!
I tried with a DEFINE_CD_MOTION function instead of the
DEFINE_GRID_MOTION one with no improvement. So I really don't know
where this problem comes from.
Is there restrictions in the use of Dynamic mesh?

Have you ever encountered such an issue?
Thank you again for your help!
Tobard
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May 16, 2011, 22:44 #20
Amir Hi Tobard,
Senior Member pay attention to locations where you hooked this UDF for. In other words,
in dynamic zones, set e.g. walls, define interior and other rotating
boundaries except the fluid zones.
regards,
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March 28, 2011, 23:23 Moving wall with velocity profile #1

Thank you very much for your help!

March 28, 2011, 23:44 #2

March 29, 2011, 00:14 #3

March 29, 2011, 02:31 #4

March 29, 2011, 21:45 #5

Tobard Dear Amir,

Thank you very much for your help!

March 29, 2011, 22:11 #6

March 30, 2011, 22:50 #7

Error: [...] line 8: parse error.

and I don't understand why!?

Thank you very much for your help!

March 31, 2011, 02:31 #8

I've compiled this without any error.

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March 31, 2011, 03:49 #9

- Is it better to use F_PROFILE instead of F_U or F_V? I am afraid that

March 31, 2011, 14:05 #10

- My study needs to change ONLY wall (boundary) velocity (and

- Is it better to use F_PROFILE instead of F_U or F_V? I am afraid

- Does Fluent accept using several interpreted UDFs at the same

that's one of the restrictions of interpreted UDFs. I proposed you using

April 4, 2011, 20:52 #11

April 14, 2011, 01:40 #12

A moving reference frame would allow me to make my walls rotate. But is

Thank you so much for your help!

April 15, 2011, 01:53 #13

April 15, 2011, 02:12 #14

April 15, 2011, 21:17 #15

May 4, 2011, 01:11 #16

Tobard Dear Amir,

Any concrete suggestion would be appreciated...

Thank you very much.

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Tobard Dear Amir,

Join Date: Mar 2011 is solved: it rotates!

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Tobard Dear Amir,

Is there restrictions in the use of Dynamic mesh?

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