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March 15, 2007 at 12:08 am #46423

Hi, Ad
I want to get a
clearer picture
of the relation
Rakesh
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between Alpha
@Rakesh risk, beta risk &
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concept/significance of considering the said risk while

selecting a sample.

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Till now I have been doing sample size selection using a

sample calculator.

March 15, 2007 at 10:40 am #153369

Hi Rakesh
Alpha risk is the risk you are willing to take of making a
wrong decision. It is the decision point for your p value: if p <
alpha you reject the null hypothesis.
Adrian P.
Alpha risk is therefore the maximum risk you are prepared
Smith
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to take of rejecting the null hypothesis when in fact it is true.
@Adrian-P.- This is often called the Producer’s Risk, since the producer
Smith runs the risk of scrapping a product which is in fact good.
Rejecting the null hypothesis when it is in fact true is also
called a Type I error
Clearly, the more risk averse you are (the lower alpha risk)
the more data you will need to prove that an observed
difference is not due to chance (larger sample size).
The classic example of this is convicting an innocent
defendant. If your alpha risk is .05 you have a 5% chance of
convicting an innocent. The more sure your want to be that
the person is guilty, the more evidence you will need to
present.
Beta risk is the other side of the coin. It is the risk of
acquitting a guilty man. (1 – beta) is also called the “power”
of the statistical test and is the probability of detecting a
difference which does in fact exist.
Not rejecting the null hypothesis when in fact it is false is
also called a Type II error or the consumer risk (risk that the
producer will ship faulty goods).
So just like the alpha risk, the lower the beta risk the more
data you will need and therefore larger the sample size
required.
Alpha risk is always fixed by the “statistician” before
performing the test. Beta risk is often assessed after the
test has been performed in the event of a p value > aplha
risk. I.e. the test is telling you the difference is not significant.
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Calculating the beta risk helps decide whether the

difference really does not exist or whether it is worth
spending money to collect more data. As a rule of thumb we
look for the power to be 80%, therefore beta risk of 20% or
0.02.
Hope this helps.
Rgds,Adrian
http://adrian.smith.name
 

March 15, 2007 at 5:36 pm #153413

Rakesh,
I have an Excel file that I use to demonstrate the relationship
between alpha, beta, and sample size.  It is both quantitative
and graphical.  Mainly I use it for training/demos.  It isn’t
BC
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exactly user-friendly but you sound like you understand the
@BC concept well enough.  Post your email and I’ll send it to you.

April 2, 2007 at 7:42 am #154282

Send me the excel file regarding alpha an beta risk……

Kedar K.
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@Kedar-K.

April 2, 2007 at 10:44 am #154288

Rakesh,
Emilio may I see your excell file ?
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Thank you in advance, Emilio
@Emilio
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April 2, 2007 at 1:05 pm #154295

Kedar K.,
BC Please post your email address.
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BC
@BC

April 7, 2007 at 5:14 pm #154522

Hello BC,
Quainoo I am also very intersted in this Excel file that you use to
@vincent demonstrate the relationship between alpha and beta.
Can you sen it to me ?
If it is possible, I will send you my email.
Many thanks
Vincent
 

April 7, 2007 at 8:33 pm #154524

An Excellent  elaboration
Allthingsidio
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@Allthingsidiot-
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April 9, 2007 at 8:37 am #154536

Hai BC,
Nag I am  intersted in this Excel file that you use to demonstrate
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the relationship between alpha and beta.
@Nag
Can u plz send me the file.
My mail ID is nageshvuda@yahoo.co.in
Regards
Nag

April 10, 2007 at 1:27 pm #154594

The best explanation I have seen is through the use of a

Bill C dynamic illustration. (A JMP script that shows the
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relationship between alpha, beta, sample size, difference to
@Bill-C
detect, etc.) Maybe you could download a trial version of
JMP and then test out the script. I am not sure if the scripts
are free downloads from Predictum or not.
http://www.predictum.com/index.html

April 10, 2007 at 3:18 pm #154598

Vincent,
BC Please post your email and I’ll get it to you ASAP.
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BC
@BC

April 10, 2007 at 3:23 pm #154599

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Bill,
BC Absolutely agree.  Playing around with a graphical tool that
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shows alpha, beta, sample size, effect size, etc is the ONLY
@BC
way to fully appreciate these relationships.  I haven’t tried
the download you mention but I do use and Excel file in
training and people “get it” with the demo and a little
explanation.
BC

April 10, 2007 at 5:27 pm #154607

HiI’ve found Russ Lenth’s Java applets for power and sample
Bower Chiel size very useful in dealing with alpha and beta risks. They are
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available at: –
@Bower-Chiel
http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~rlenth/Power/Bower Chiel

April 11, 2007 at 7:17 pm #154669

Hello BC,
Quainoo This is very kind, thanks very much.
@vincent My email is:    vincentp74@aol.com
Vincent
 
 

April 11, 2007 at 8:03 pm #154671

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BC,
O’Connell  
@Brian If it’s not too much to ask can you forward along the excel
file to me as well?
 
bpm14@comcast.net
 
Thanks

April 11, 2007 at 9:37 pm #154676

could you also send me a copy of your excel file. Many

Interested thanks.
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@Interested

April 11, 2007 at 10:31 pm #154679

Hi BC,
Rakesh Please send the excel file to rakesh_raman82@yahoo.com.
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Iam still grappling with the issue.
@Rakesh
Regards.

April 12, 2007 at 6:20 pm #154733

Interested,
BC I’d be happy to.  Please post your email.
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Thanks,
@BC
BC

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April 16, 2007 at 8:17 pm #154853

please send to morgan.jones@nzpost.co.nz

Interested
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@Interested

November 16, 2007 at 4:43 pm #164913

BC,
Taylor I agree with this post.  I am looking for just such an Excel
@Todd based file for training purposes.  Can you send to
hobbs_todd@cat.com.  (Don’t forget underscore:
hobbs_todd)
Thanks!

December 18, 2007 at 7:27 pm #166293

BC,
Broomfield Can you please send me a copy of the Excel file that you use
@Alan to demonstrate the relationship between alpha, beta, and
sample size?
email is hinchlif@us.ibm.com
Thanks

December 26, 2007 at 11:50 am #166541

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Can you please send me a copy of the Excel file that you use
Viba to demonstrate the relationship between alpha, beta, and
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sample size?
@Viba

December 28, 2007 at 1:21 am #166599

Can I please get that excel file the alpha and beta risk in
Babar detail.
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Thanks and regards,
@Babar
babar_maqsood@yahoo.com

January 9, 2008 at 3:38 pm #167000

I would be very interested at seeing your Excel Macro for

Matthew alpha and beta risk relationships to sample size.  Please mail
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it to me if you can. mhennick88@hotmail.com
@Matthew
 
Thanks,
Matt

January 31, 2008 at 2:35 am #167996

I’m really interested in Excel file for evaluating alpha/ beta

Moment risk. I hope it would help me understanding it completely.
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Please send it to me, if it’s possible,
@Moment
niratchadah@hotmail.com I do really appreciate.

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January 31, 2008 at 4:40 am #167998

Hi everybody,
aiman farid May I see your excell file ?
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Thanks alot in advance.
@aiman-farid
Aiman
aiman_faridhotmail.com

January 31, 2008 at 5:08 am #168000

Why  you  want  to  do  that?

Mikel
@Stan

January 31, 2008 at 5:10 am #168001

Nothing would help you to understand it ,if you havn’t

Mikel understood it
@Stan in the past….   

January 31, 2008 at 5:18 am #168002

I want to apologize for all of the stupid questions I have

Fake ATI asked
Alert over the years as Dog Sxxt, Marlon Brando, and all of the
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other stupid
@Fake-ATI-Alert
names I have used.I also am ashamed of myself for posting as
Stan for the last week.

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January 31, 2008 at 6:15 am #168005

You are not StanBoy. StanBoy would not say “Why you want
Joe BB to do that?”. He cannot write in English but he does speak
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English, you do not.
@Joe-BB

January 31, 2008 at 8:35 am #168008

BC,
Vadersback Could you send me the File at veebhave@hotmail.com
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Regards
@Vadersback
Vadersback
 

February 14, 2008 at 3:50 am #168553

I am also interested in it. kindly send the excel file to me if

delli possible.
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My email: saratarget@yahoo.com.sg
@delli
Thanks & Regards,
Delli

February 15, 2008 at 6:48 pm #168644

I would like a copy of your Excel file.

Tierradentro email: john.jones@latitudecorp.com
@john  

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Thanks,
 
John

February 16, 2008 at 10:21 pm #168656

Please send me a copy: mman2005@yahoo.com

Stan”s sister Thanks 
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@Stan''s-sister

March 18, 2008 at 8:56 pm #169834

Can you please send me the file as well.

Gutierrez Thanks!
@alex adrath@athenet.net

April 14, 2008 at 3:43 pm #171144

Hi,
nadi fadoua Plz could u email me a copy of yr excel file.
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My email is nadifadoua@hotmail.co.ukThank you.
@nadi-fadoua
Fadoua

April 15, 2008 at 10:57 am #171187

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Hi…would you please send me also

Rags raghavendrahegde@yahoo.com
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@Rags

April 15, 2008 at 7:17 pm #171201

BC:  Could I ask for a copy of your excel file demo on alpha
Engine Lady beta risk?  my address is suzbs at yahoo dot com.
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@Engine-Lady
thank you in advance
Engine Lady

April 15, 2008 at 7:30 pm #171204

Engine Lady,
BC I could not deliver to this email address.  Might be my server,
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but can you please check?
@BC

April 16, 2008 at 12:20 pm #171236

This issues has just recently cropped up at our facility, may I

lonesharke review your excel file too?  Thank you!
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jdrogers@niscoseals.com
@lonesharke

April 23, 2008 at 2:34 pm #171409

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Could you also please send your Excel file to me? Thank you.
Siho analogmind@hotmail.com
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@Siho

April 27, 2008 at 4:07 pm #171499

Please send me a copy: andoratanhotmail.com

Alvarez Best Regards,
@andrew Andrew
 

April 28, 2008 at 1:58 am #171500

could you send to me a copy for the excel of Alpha Risk &
Helen Beta Risk, my mail helen.dai@liteon.com
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@Helen

May 20, 2008 at 7:42 am #172101

please send alpha nad beta risk

jeevan ram
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@jeevan-ram

May 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm #172108

please post your email

BC
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@BC

August 15, 2008 at 6:02 pm #174917

Would you send me the excel file that exemplifies the alpha
Angelica beta exercise please? I´m dealing with this concepts
Altamirano nowadays…thanks
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@Angelica-
Altamirano

August 15, 2008 at 6:04 pm #174918

Please send me the excel that clarifies the alpha – beta

Angelica concepts , i´m dealing with this trouble concepts.
Altamirano  
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Thanks
@Angelica-
 
Altamirano

August 15, 2008 at 7:49 pm #174924

Angelica,
BC Please post your email address and I will send it to you.
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@BC

August 19, 2008 at 9:59 am #175002

do u still have the excel demonstrating alpha, beta risk with

Ranjit sample size. plz mail at ranjit9207@gmail.com
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@Ranjit

August 19, 2008 at 1:55 pm #175012

Hi,
varun gulati Please send me the excel file.
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My email address varun.gulati@exlservice.com
@varun-gulati
Thanks in advance
Regards,
varun

August 27, 2008 at 11:05 am #175220

Please send this useful information

Kubal thanks in advance
@rajiv  
rajiv

August 27, 2008 at 2:51 pm #175238

Please post your email address.

BC Thanks.
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@BC

September 24, 2008 at 5:21 pm #176105

Please send me the file. thank you very much

ju pak email: ju_pak@cosmotronic.com
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ju
@ju-pak

September 24, 2008 at 8:11 pm #176109

Please send a copy to me as well:

Bob Rome  
@Rome robrom@MPC-inc.com
 
Thanks!

September 25, 2008 at 7:15 am #176119

Dear Rakesh,
MAC Here is my email address tan.ah.chai@polycore.com
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Kindly send your demo example to me. Thks.
@MAC
Kind rgds
Mac
 

September 25, 2008 at 3:41 pm #176139

Can you also send the excel to me?

Hodgson sixsigmarelated@gmail.com
@shirley I appreciate it.

October 22, 2008 at 11:57 pm #176993

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BC, could you please send me a copy of your Excel file

Joe J demonstrating the Alpha and Beta Risk?  My email is:
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joe@targetresearchgroup.com
@Joe-J
Much appreciated,
Joe
 
 
 

October 24, 2008 at 7:31 am #177044

Hi BC,
Nwajei Could you please send me the excel file if possible?
@Frank syyang2007@gmail.com
Thanks and regards,
Frank

November 6, 2008 at 7:23 pm #177463

Could you also send me a copy of this spreadsheet at

Anthony Anthony.Orzechowski@abbott.com
Orzechowski  
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Thanks,
@Anthony-
Tony
Orzechowski

November 6, 2008 at 9:47 pm #177468

I am interested in your excel file about alpha and beta..

J Please email it to me  at
@Sid shasoon@msn.com
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Thank you
 

November 18, 2008 at 4:41 pm #177789

BC:  Could you send me a copy of your excel file demo on

Dion alpha beta risk?  my address is dlopes@eesus.jnj.com.
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thank you in advance
@Dion
Dion

November 29, 2008 at 4:45 am #178161

i would like to have thioretical concept of beta and alpha risk

eshetu pls
legesse
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@eshetu-legesse

December 1, 2008 at 12:28 am #178185

BC,
Andrew Would you also please send me the excell demonstration of
Kennett alpha and beta risk
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andrew23@ausi.com
@Andrew-
 
Kennett
Thanks
 
Andrew

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December 30, 2008 at 12:33 am #179160

Could you send me please your excel file about alpha, beta
KC risks! my email – celms17@inbox.lv
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Thank you in advance!
@KC

December 30, 2008 at 6:27 am #179163

can u pl send me too on vidyavathimk@infotechsw.com

Kulkarni
@vidya

February 11, 2009 at 5:18 pm #181051

BC,
walden Would you please send me a copy of this Excel file you were
@chris discussing.  I would really appreciate it.  My e-mail is:
christian_aragon@hotmail.com
Thanks,
Chris

February 11, 2009 at 6:04 pm #181053

Please send me a copy dzajac2000@comcast.net

Dennis Z Thank you
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@Dennis-Z

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April 21, 2009 at 4:43 pm #183569

I would like to have the file if you can still send it.  Thanks in
Andy Baker advance.
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andrew.d.baker@accenture.com
@Andy-Baker

April 27, 2009 at 4:15 pm #183731

I know this is old but if you still can send the excel macro it
revampedIm would be greatly appreciated. Please send it to sample [at]
age revampedImage [dot] com
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@revampedImag
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